Superman and Captian Marvel(Shazam!) vs The Hulk and Juggernaut

[Fury]

The Ultimate Tag Team Match! Who will come out on top!? All Powers Go!

[Flyboy]

are you kidding?? its no contest...superman and captian marvel would destroy all...yehhhhhhhhhhh

[Lighthouse]

Ugh...this is really tough. I'll go with Superman and Captain Marvel because they are smarter, but damn, they'd be in intensive care for along time.

[Lobo]

CM vs juggy would be cool. Supes and Marvel take this one.

[Superman13]

Originally posted by Flyboy
are you kidding?? its no contest...superman and captian marvel would destroy all...yehhhhhhhhhhh

what he said

[krisboyuk]

I wouldn't right off Jugs and Hulk so quickly f I were you lot. Shazam and Supes would probably sit around and wait to see what there up against. Hulk and Jugs ain't gonna' do that. It would be a war with no clear winner.

[Morg]

I'll have to give the nod to Superman and Captian Marvel as the winner

[DSprangthlgnd]

I'm really not a huge fan of Captain Marvel, but I'll give the devil his due here. If you team him up with Superman against Juggs and the Hulk,fuggetaboutit!!!! This is an easy win for Superman and Cap.

[Fury]

http://www.angelfire.com/emo2/booya/juggsowned1.jpg

How do you put pics on the board itself instead of linking?

[Akira_Dee]

It should be Thor not J.

[Fury]

Oh there we go.

[Fury]

Yeah you're right cause from the looks of this pic, Juggs doesn't really put up much of a fight.

[Fury]

of course that may be just the result of bad writing. Supes would win, but not that easily. Maybe 2 punches ;)

[diamond head]

This time I voted for hulk and juggernaut

they'll just have to get their hands on kryptonite and shove it down supermamn' s troth
and pummel "captain shazam"marvel to a bloody pulp and feed him to the Wendigo or the abomination
and then have a go at wonder woman while the hulk holds her down while juggy's raping her and when the batman show up
they use agonizing superduperman's body as a club to beat the tar out of the batdude shattering every bones in his body.

and finally the maestro and juggernaut conquers the world and go to wonder woman's paradise island for some good time with those amazons broad (specially hyppolita),while wonder woman is once again pregnant and breast feeding an half green baby
she's wondering who might be the father of her third child this time ???

is it gonna be the juggernauld or the hulk ? ?? anyway ,at least she finally feel like complete woman now, because all the others super-zero ever done was watching her swaying those bodylicious curves of her when she was hot and ready for action.
oh no ...she doesn't miss them at all.
;)

[Fury]

That is probably the most god awful thing I've ever heard.

[Superman13]

Originally posted by Fury
http://www.angelfire.com/emo2/booya/juggsowned1.jpg


A classic pic of Superman making Juggernaut his B!itch. Someone should post how he caught Thor's hammer with one hand and knocked Thor out with the other hand with one punch that it took all of Marvel just to bring Superman down.

[Bat-Mantis]

Superman and Cap.
They'd just toss them into the sun or fry them with lightning and het vision.

Freeze Jugs with ice breath long enough to grab him and toss him, fry Hulk until he's a pile of bones, gather them up and launch them before he regenerates.

Jugs and Hulk couldn't possibly keep up.

[Fury]

here you go. Pretty cool. Nice Spinal Tap tribute there too. I just thought it was awful how the avengers just jumped him like a freakin street gang right after it. Made me just feel weird, cause super heros shouldn't act like that. But I guess they love their Thor.http://www.angelfire.com/emo2/booya /thorsupes2.jpg

[Fury]

http://www.angelfire.com/emo2/booya/thorsupes2.jpg

[diamond head]

Originally posted by Fury
That is probably the most god awful thing I've ever heard. that was my intention LOL....

[diamond head]

Originally posted by Fury
here you go. Pretty cool. Nice Spinal Tap tribute there too. I just thought it was awful how the avengers just jumped him like a freakin street gang right after it. Made me just feel weird, cause super heros shouldn't act like that. But I guess they love their Thor.http://www.angelfire.com/emo2/booya /thorsupes2.jpg According to the last JLA vs. Avengers Thor finally explained to superman about a few worthy who might be able to overcome the spell of lifting his hammer in desperate time ,but it can only last a moment
phwwww...
actually it make sense because I've seen captain America ,wonder woman ,superman etc..and god knows how many other so called worthy opponent who can lift his hammer ...

the fact that superman couldn't lift his hammer at the end might scare him psychologically next time he ever fight Thor again ,he's going to be in big trouble

hey FURY want me to write another scenario for this one too.

you should have read my scenario about batman & superman fighting over wonder woman . it still around here somewhere

hey bat-mantis you cur make yourself useful for once and get fury a link to my Batman Superman fighting over wonder woman.

[Fury]

that'd be cool, love to see it. I'll look for it.

[gl_summers]

Originally posted by diamond head
According to the last JLA vs. Avengers Thor finally explained to superman about a few worthy who might be able to overcome the spell of lifting his hammer in desperate time ,but it can only last a moment
phwwww...
actually it make sense because I've seen captain America ,wonder woman ,superman etc..and god knows how many other so called worthy opponent who can lift his hammer ...

the fact that superman couldn't lift his hammer at the end might scare him psychologically next time he ever fight Thor again ,he's going to be in big trouble

hey FURY want me to write another scenario for this one too.

you should have read my scenario about batman & superman fighting over wonder woman . it still around here somewhere

hey bat-mantis you cur make yourself useful for once and get fury a link to my Batman Superman fighting over wonder woman.

Scare him pyschologically? I doubt it. He knows he can stop it, if only for a short time, just as thor said. Super-speed should win it again for Supes, as well as better invunerability and being much stronger.

[GAMMA MONSTER]

Originally posted by Superman13
A classic pic of Superman making Juggernaut his B!itch. Someone should post how he caught Thor's hammer with one hand and knocked Thor out with the other hand with one punch that it took all of Marvel just to bring Superman down. you do realize that in marvel verses dc accsess all areas after that one punch juggernaut beat the crap out of him.

[gl_summers]

No, they didn't fight anymore. Juggernaut went down with one punch, thats it. So don't lie.

[gl_summers]

Originally posted by GAMMA MONSTER
you do realize that in marvel verses dc accsess all areas after that one punch juggernaut beat the crap out of him.

Gamma monster why do you insist on lying? If you don't know any better then keep quite. Superman floored him with one punch and that is it. In fact (apparently) later in the issue there ws a newspaper with a headline stating 'Superman takes Juggernaut down'.
So live with it.

[Fury]

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Originally posted by GAMMA MONSTER
you do realize that in marvel verses dc accsess all areas after that one punch juggernaut beat the crap out of him.

the heck was he talking about? I got it right here dude. Bad writing or not it's still there 1 punch it's over.

[GAMMA MONSTER]

Originally posted by gl_summers
No, they didn't fight anymore. Juggernaut went down with one punch, thats it. So don't lie. no it's not i have the book you can go look it up if you want ,also wolverine payed lobo to stay down he dident actualy win.and the Hulk was not knocked out he was seting a trap for superman to get closer.

[GAMMA MONSTER]

it's like an extened addition kind of like what they are going to do jla/avengers

[Guyverjay]

If we are taking their personalities in consideration and Not "superman will throw Hulk into the sun :rolleyes:" rubbish. Then I say Hulk and Juggernaut win.

Alos anyone who bothers bringing up the extremly crappy marvel vs Dc crossover. I'll just bring up the fact that VENOM beat the crap out of superman in that very same crossover:o

[Superboy]

Originally posted by GAMMA MONSTER
no it's not i have the book you can go look it up if you want...and the Hulk was not knocked out he was seting a trap for superman to get closer. Good God...you are such an idiot. You don't have to like it, but don't bulls**t about a comic that plenty of other people have to check up on. Superman won. He deserved to win. Tough s**t for you.

[Guyverjay]

Geez Superboy get a frickin clue. You take this all so seriously. I wouldn't mind too much but Marvel vs DC was so completely inaccurate its not even funny anymore. Btw he is talking about All Access.

[Superboy]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Geez Superboy get a frickin clue. You take this all so seriously. Yeah, I do. So either DEAL WITH IT or put me on your ignore list.

[Guyverjay]

No one is worthy enough to go on my ignore list especially not you...chuckles:)

I'm beginning to think that the picture you posted of yourself in the superman undies is a recent photo:p

[gl_summers]

Originally posted by guyverjay
If we are taking their personalities in consideration and Not "superman will throw Hulk into the sun :rolleyes:" rubbish. Then I say Hulk and Juggernaut win.

Alos anyone who bothers bringing up the extremly crappy marvel vs Dc crossover. I'll just bring up the fact that VENOM beat the crap out of superman in that very same crossover:o

Venom? WTF? Superman beating Jjuggernaut is one thing (if hulk can do, I guess Superman is able...) but venom....how???...why????
VENOM!!
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

I hate it when they do things like this..... (cue bad memories of a BRICK knocking out Silver Surfer......:()

[Superboy]

Originally posted by guyverjay
No one is worthy enough to go on my ignore list especially not you...chuckles:)

I'm beginning to think that the picture you posted of yourself in the superman undies is a recent photo:p THINK whatever you want, I won't be worried until you have proof.

[Guyverjay]

Bwahahahahahahhahahaaa:D

[SSR_Forest]

Originally posted by guyverjay
If we are taking their personalities in consideration and Not "superman will throw Hulk into the sun :rolleyes:" rubbish. Then I say Hulk and Juggernaut win.

Alos anyone who bothers bringing up the extremly crappy marvel vs Dc crossover. I'll just bring up the fact that VENOM beat the crap out of superman in that very same crossover:o

And you bring that up because?

Because superman should never win right.:p

Oh my god he beat hulk and thor nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

jobbing that's what it is jobbing.:D

[Guyverjay]

I bring it up to show how extremely crappy the whole crossover was and if people are going to take it as gospel then they can't dismiss the fact that Venom owned Superman.
What makes it even funnier is unlike the superman vs Hulk it wasn't fan voted (i;e a popularity contest) so its actually more legitimate:p

[SSR_Forest]

Originally posted by guyverjay
I bring it up to show how extremely crappy the whole crossover was and if people are going to take it as gospel then they can't dismiss the fact that Venom owned Superman.

eh he was having a off day.

Let me ask you this if hulk won don't you think marvel fanatics would rub superman defeat in a superman Fan Face?

Besides everbody don't belive that fight anyway except marvel fans who hate supeman.

Let them have a unbias fight but I be damn if superman get the shaft for beign badly writen or something like that.

[Guyverjay]

So its not possible to be a DC fan and hate Superman?

I know plenty of harcore bats fans that hate superman:D

Superman usually gets written badly in his OWN BOOK, so you can't expect much better in a crossover:D

[SSR_Forest]

Originally posted by guyverjay
So its not possible to be a DC fan and hate Superman?

I know plenty of harcore bats fans that hate superman:D

eh they also belive he can beat almost anybody these days.

Why are you a dc fan who hate superman.

And also mad that batman said that captian america could kick his ass.

[Guyverjay]

Nah I'm a neutral fan. I prefer Marvel but I don't hate DC nor Superman.

I just hate crossovers, I've yet to read one that wasn't total crap in some way or another

[SSR_Forest]

Originally posted by guyverjay
So its not possible to be a DC fan and hate Superman?

I know plenty of harcore bats fans that hate superman:D

Superman usually gets written badly in his OWN BOOK, so you can't expect much better in a crossover:D


mmmmmmmmm Superman get hate and blame for mostly
anything these days.:rolleyes:

Too strong(supposely)

Too powerful(supposely)

stupid stories

people jobbing to him

Him being a jackass

and many many more.

[Guyverjay]

Nothing a good writer couldn't cure.

I mean why bother de powering him after crisis only to stick him right back to planet moving levels??

Why bring back Krypto the superdog?

Why make Doomsday a complete pussy and then kill him off?

They just seem to be going round in circles

[SSR_Forest]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Nothing a good writer couldn't cure.

I mean why bother de powering him after crisis only to stick him right back to planet moving levels??

Why bring back Krypto the superdog?

Why make Doomsday a complete pussy and then kill him off?

They just seem to be going round in circles

True you got a point.

[Fury]

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Originally posted by guyverjay
I bring it up to show how extremely crappy the whole crossover was and if people are going to take it as gospel then they can't dismiss the fact that Venom owned Superman.

what happened between venom and supes? Or how the heck did venom beat him?

[GAMMA MONSTER]

he owned him along with juggernaut.

[gl_summers]

liar

[X]

You guys are sad, and deluded... :o

Whatever happened to intelligent vs. conversations? :(

[Guyverjay]

You forgotten about Darkthor?:p

[X]

He's a little bit too intelligent for my tastes... :D

Not that I have any problems understanding what he's talking about or anything, the things he just brings up are so illogical its kind of mind boggling.

I'd seriously love to have an intelligent conversation about Superman and Captain Marvel vs. The Hulk and Juggy, but damn. This thread has already gone to hell with the name calling, the complete and total bias, and a bunch of idiots being here (Diamond Head, Nudge Nudge :D) Maybe we can actually revive it and make something out of it, Guyver? I think we're the only 2 intelligent, knowledgable comic book fans around here anyhow... :( :o :D

[Guyverjay]

Well I think captain marvel would go down first and that would leave supes to tackle Hulk and Juggy. Thats why I believe that the 2 big guys can win

[Lighthouse]

Like I said before, I'd only give the edge to Superman and Cap because they are smarter. I think Hulk and Juggernaut definately have an edge in strength and in brutality, but Superman and Cap are intelligent and would work together better as a team. Although, after the battle Supes and Cap would be in recovery for a long time.

[X]

Same here... :up:

Superman and Captain Marvel would win, but it would be somewhat of a stretch. Perhaps Captain Marvel could use the ol' lighting bolt trick to someone temporily short circuit Juggy powers, ala Thor, and make him temporily somewhat vulnerable?

Superman would have to be weary of The Juggernaut, seeing how his powers are mystically based. Smashing into Juggs force field probably wouldent be very good for him, considering magic is his second biggest weakness.

Then The Hulk comes into play, who's beaten Thor a couple of times, who Superman himself said might of been the single most powerful opennant he had ever faced. And The Professor Hulk, arguably the weakest incarnation, gave Superman a hell of a fight, a Superman who wasnt holding back. Superman cloths were a wee bit torn up after that fight as well, so obviously even The Professor messed him up a little. And The Hulk has fought Superman to a stand still before. So all things considered, I'd give it to The Hulk and Juggy most of the time. Ahhh, that felt good... :)

[X]

Originally posted by Lighthouse
Like I said before, I'd only give the edge to Superman and Cap because they are smarter. I think Hulk and Juggernaut definately have an edge in strength and in brutality, but Superman and Cap are intelligent and would work together better as a team. Although, after the battle Supes and Cap would be in recovery for a long time.

True, true. Thats one of the reasons I personally think it is possible for them to pull off a win. The Hulk isnt exactly a genius, but he's smart enough, and very, very cunning. Marko isnt exactly the brightest guy around either, but he's not an idiot. I've seen Superman do quite a few stupid things as well, and Captain Marvel never really struck me as being very intelligent either.

[Guyverjay]

Smarter people have gone up agsint both and come out on the bad end. So intelligence won't exactly gurantee anything. You do have a point on the teamwork angle though (though juggy and Hulk have teamed up twice before)

But to be honest I see Supes and Marvel tiring long before hulk and Juggy. In fact its to their best interest to finish it quickly. The longer it goes on the more likely juggy and Hulk pick up the win.

[X]

Taking The Juggernaut down fast is near impossible though, under the circumstances this fight would normally go under...

[Guyverjay]

Which is why I'm leaning towards Hulk and Juggy. If Juggy is written properly and with Hulk backing him up. The only way I see supes and marvel winning is with a battlefield removal.

[X]

I know, I know. Was just saying... :)

How exactly do you think they'd pull off that removal?

[X]

And you know what? I dont think the ol' "Supes will bring them into space" trick would work. First of all, The Hulk and The Juggernaut can both survive in space. Secondly, The Juggernaut wouldent have any problem with space anyhow. Remember when Jean Grey was holding The Juggernaut suspended in mid air, and he continued to advance towards her? He's done that on at least two occasions. I dont think space would be much different. I can imagine them both being in space, and The Juggernaut grabbing The Hulk arm, and then starting to walk back to Earth. The worst ass kicking in history would insue once they got ahold of Captain Marvel and Superman again... :D

[SSR_Forest]

You Do know that superman change alot since he last fought the Hulk right?

Yet the halk has change alot to also.

Not all magic affect him,there was a thread on a other message board where they meation what magic hurts him the most.

Yes the superman that fought thor wans't the same thor either,but you get the point right.


How about the old going march 324 and hitting the hulk by surprise?

I say Both Teams Have a good chance of winning.

Going slight more with the Dc team.

Badass picture I show tommorrow.

[Fury]

In an all out slugfest I can't see Supes and Cap winning. Or at least just barely tied , but more on the Hulk Juggs side. But I think Supes would see that in the beginning of the fight. He'd probably tell Cap to concentrate on using their other powers to beat the two monsters. Supes would definately have to change the way he fights going up against them. Maybe do more of a "Flash" style of fighting. Like wizzing back and forth punching Hulk all over, using super speed and flight. Instead of standing on the ground like it's a boxing match. Using more like a "Super Strength Humming Bird" method along with some heat vision would get the win for Supes. Cap could do basically the same thing, just throw some lightning bolts in there to screw up Juggs' forcefield.

But I don't know it's tough. Mr. X, I know you could come up with plenty of ways that Hulk could counter the "Bumble Bee" attack method. Cause Hulk's pretty fast too right?

[X]

The Hulks extremly fast, for someone his size. He's never had a problem tagging Speedsters like Super Sabre, Quicksilver, The Silver Surfer, The Jack of Hearts, and so on. I think if anything The Hulk would first take both Captain Marvel and Supes by suprise with his speed, getting in several good hits.

And The Superman that fought Thor was the same, notice the first time Thor hit him with Mjonlir blood flew out of his mouth? Of course Superman isnt going to lose in a cross over, so Thors use of Mjonlir was kept to a minimum.

[SSR_Forest]

Originally posted by Mr. X
The Hulks extremly fast, for someone his size. He's never had a problem tagging Speedsters like Super Sabre, Quicksilver, The Silver Surfer, The Jack of Hearts, and so on. I think if anything The Hulk would first take both Captain Marvel and Supes by suprise with his speed, getting in several good hits.

And The Superman that fought Thor was the same, notice the first time Thor hit him with Mjonlir blood flew out of his mouth? Of course Superman isnt going to lose in a cross over, so Thors use of Mjonlir was kept to a minimum.


So what he got cought by suprise.

Yeah superman never loses in a croses over,Mybe it's Dc fault or Marvel or better yet the writer.

I not saying hulk not fast,but does he have fast reflex and peciption and battle skills but don't get me wrong. He is fast, but have he ever fought at super speed before?

Example

Superman my be fast but the flash is able to built a house in a lot more faster matter then superman.

[Fury]

Has Hulk or Juggs ever been frozen before, like from Iceman? I'm not sure if Supes' freeze breath would contain either of them.

Now heat vision and Zeus's lightning would put a hurt on them, but it would just be things to slow the big guy's down.

Both Hulk and Juggs have the aggression factor that will give them the edge. But what happens when Supes and the Big cheese lose their tempers? Something Nasty.

[X]

The Hulks been frozen by Ice-Man before, The Grey Hulk actually. He got out no big problem I believe. He's been frozen several times, once from an ice ray powerful enough to freeze a mountain. The Hulk broke out to say the least.

Heat Vision and Captain Marvels lighting could slow them down. His lighting isnt from Zeus, btw, its from the wizard Shazam.

And what exactly is going to make Superman or Captain Marvel wig out? They rarely either go all out anyhow. And I dont care if they both got mad, they're just going to go and royally piss off The Hulk and get Marko supremly mad as well.

[GAMMA MONSTER]

Originally posted by Mr. X
He's a little bit too intelligent for my tastes... :D

Not that I have any problems understanding what he's talking about or anything, the things he just brings up are so illogical its kind of mind boggling.

I'd seriously love to have an intelligent conversation about Superman and Captain Marvel vs. The Hulk and Juggy, but damn. This thread has already gone to hell with the name calling, the complete and total bias, and a bunch of idiots being here (Diamond Head, Nudge Nudge :D) Maybe we can actually revive it and make something out of it, Guyver? I think we're the only 2 intelligent, knowledgable comic book fans around here anyhow... :( :o :D ouch! :(

[Steevy]

Superman and Captain Marvel would win, but just barely.

[X]

Originally posted by GAMMA MONSTER
ouch! :(

Wasnt talking about you, Gamma. :)

Originally posted by Steevy
Superman and Captain Marvel would win, but just barely.

And damn it, elaborate a little! People like you kill The Hype! :mad: :D :p ;)

[GAMMA MONSTER]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mr. X
[B]Wasnt talking about you, Gammma

OH OKAY THEN:)

[gl_summers]

This fight is almost equal but hulk and juggernaut are too limited. If the writers use the powers of superman and captain marvel porperly they should win. Hulk and juggernaut are tough as hell but are too limited in their attacks.
Oh and Hulk is no where NEAR as fast as superman. Not even close. But to be fair superman is hardly even written as using his speed efficiently.

[X]

Who ever said The Hulk was as fast as Superman? I dont think anyones debating that.

And yes, The Hulk and Juggy are somewhat limited, but they definitly make up for it in brute strength and toughness, they both outclass Superman and Captain Marvel in these aspects. Once again it kind of comes down to stronger people vs. the more powerful ones. Im still sticking with Juggy and The Hulk though, most of the time anyhow.

[Fury]

His lighting isnt from Zeus, btw, its from the wizard Shazam.

Yeah sorry about that I F'd up.

Wouldn't Superman be more tough than the Hulk? I've never seen Superman get cut open really before. He usually stays in tact. Except for his clothes, after the fight Supes would be bloody and probably butt naked.

At the beginning of the fight, I can see hulk grabbing supes by the cape and twirling him around like a rag doll then chucking him into a mountain. Immediately going after Cap, double teaming him with Juggs. Then you see a dash of blue and red, and Supes slams Hulk right in the back, fists first at like mach 10, making Hulk's head touch his own heels.

Someone can pick up from there at what happens next.

[GAMMA MONSTER]

WOW that would prodibly just piss him off

[LORD_GALVATRON]

If supes and shazzam are going to win this, they would have to do it quickly. When the fight begins, s&s would have the advantage that the hulk isn't enraged, therefore weaker. The longer the fight lasts, the stronger, the more durable hulk gets. If the hulk were to reach a high level of anger, not only would he be stronger than s&s, but I don't think any of their other powers would have much of an effect.

[Guyverjay]

Thor could (and technically has) beat Captain marvel. Imagine what the hulk or Juggy would do to him?:O

[X]

Marvel vs. DC right? How exactly did that fight turn out? Never read it myself...

[Guyverjay]

Thor kicked his ass to be honest

[X]

Heh, Im going to have to look into reading Marvel vs. DC. Thanks. :)

[X]

And you have to take into account, Captain Marvel is no push over in the DC Universe. He knocked out Pre-Crisis Superman with 2 punches once. He wasnt expecting it, but still. And in Kingdom Come, he gave Superman a helluva fight, even though Superman was much more powerful from years his cells taking in more and more solor power. Kryptonite didnt even affect him anymore. Along with JLA/Avengers this confirms my belief that there really isnt a big difference between the Marvel and DC Universe's when it comes to power. The thing is, DC doesent have any kind of strength class's, is somewhat inconsistent at times, and in general has characters using there powers a lot more impressivly more often.

[Fury]

Yeah in JLA vs Avengers they finally made it seem like DC wasn't so much more overpowered than Marvel. True in a nut shell, DC is the stronger universe, they also concentrated more on how their worlds treat their heros. Capt. America's and Superman's views were great and extreme.

I liked the fight between Thor and Supes. It was a little rushed and should have lasted the whole book. As far as what happened and the end result, I thought they were right on.

Superman can beat Thor, Thor has beaten Hulk, Hulk has beaten Juggs, Capt Marvel and Supes have both beaten each other. So I'd give it to the S team.

[X]

Originally posted by Fury
Yeah in JLA vs Avengers they finally made it seem like DC wasn't so much more overpowered than Marvel. True in a nut shell, DC is the stronger universe, they also concentrated more on how their worlds treat their heros. Capt. America's and Superman's views were great and extreme.

I liked the fight between Thor and Supes. It was a little rushed and should have lasted the whole book. As far as what happened and the end result, I thought they were right on.

Superman can beat Thor, Thor has beaten Hulk, Hulk has beaten Juggs, Capt Marvel and Supes have both beaten each other. So I'd give it to the S team.

Thor has rarely, if ever, beaten The Hulk. Even when he has beaten him, by "knocking" him out with a lighting bolt, which take into account has destroyed secondery adamantium, The Hulk's awoken in seconds.

And JLA/Avengers wasnt the only book that narrowed down the power levels between companys. In Marvel vs. DC, Thor beat Captain Marvel, and The Professor (class 100) was shown handling Mentallo. He also gave Superman a helluva fight. As I said earlier, and I'll say again, I think all of the misconnecption is from DC's lack of strength levels, inconsistency, and a lot more feat driven moments.

[mike5005]

Hulk beats Supes. Cap beast Jugernaunt. Its a Tie. Both are extremely close. Jugg is to slow and Hulk is too experienced.

[mike5005]

And yes, Venom did beat Supes and Hulk has beaten Venom.
Of corsue the Supes vs. hulk were popularity votes. It should have at least been a tie.

[X]

Originally posted by mike5005
Hulk beats Supes. Cap beast Jugernaunt. Its a Tie. Both are extremely close. Jugg is to slow and Hulk is too experienced.

Captain Marvel is going to beat The Juggernaut? Thor's beaten Captain Marvel, and you do know how the 2 Thor/Juggernaut fights turned out, right? Why dont you tell us how this would go down, explain your side?

[Fury]

I really think Hulk would beat Thor in a fight. But against Supes, it'd be hard. If you look at Superman's other powers it gives him an edge. Of course heat vision and ice breath don't amount to a hill of beans against the Hulk. But super speed and flight give him the upper hand. Sure Hulk's Really fast but not as fast as Supes. It's on a different level. The fight would be awesome though.

[X]

Originally posted by Fury
I really think Hulk would beat Thor in a fight

He's already done it a couple of times. Check out the link in my sig.

[mike5005]

Jug is too slow. He's not as agile as the Hulk or supes or Capt. Capt has beaten supes a few times. Hulk has fought both Supes & Jug. He has been beaten by both of them& he has beaten them as well, at one time or another. Its still close. The longer the fight last, Hulk & Jugg have an edge. If its speed Juggs in trouble. Hulk has proven that he can adjust himself to speedsters.

[X]

The Juggernaut beat The Professor, and even then he jumped him, among other things. He's fought Superman to a stand still once as well, and technically he's beaten him.

[Superman]

Superman and Captain Marvel

[X]

Originally posted by Superman
Superman and Captain Marvel

Want to elaborate a little bit?

[Docker2.0]

I voted the Hulk and Juggy. Why? 1) Superman weakness to magic. You could Superman beat him before and ain't weak to magic but that story was badly written. When does Superman hit a total stranger and not hold back to see if dude can take him? For all he knew Juggy could have had Spiderman strength but in order to knock Juggy down, he would have had to hit him pretty hard. Way out of his character. 2) The Hulk would beat the "freak"out of Cap. Marvel. He could say shazam all he wanted to but the Hulk would get angrier and angrier. Plus I don't think Marvel has faced an opponent like the Hulk before. 3) Once Captain Marvel is gone, it is 2 against 1. If Superman struggles to beat either of these guys one on one, imagine what both of these guys could do to him. 4)Doomsday killed Superman and Doomsday is basically a Hulk rip off. The only reason the Hulk loses to Superman is becuase they are in different universes. If they were in the same place the Hulk would have beaten Superman at least 5 out of 10 times. For some reason Batman and Superman are unbeatable in crossovers but let the truth be told, Hulk and Juggy all the way. :o

[SSR_Forest]

Originally posted by Docker
I voted the Hulk and Juggy. Why? 1) Superman weakness to magic. You could Superman beat him before and ain't weak to magic but that story was badly written. When does Superman hit a total stranger and not hold back to see if dude can take him? For all he knew Juggy could have had Spiderman strength but in order to knock Juggy down, he would have had to hit him pretty hard. Way out of his character. 2) The Hulk would beat the "freak"out of Cap. Marvel. He could say shazam all he wanted to but the Hulk would get angrier and angrier. Plus I don't think Marvel has faced an opponent like the Hulk before. 3) Once Captain Marvel is gone, it is 2 against 1. If Superman struggles to beat either of these guys one on one, imagine what both of these guys could do to him. 4)Doomsday killed Superman and Doomsday is basically a Hulk rip off. The only reason the Hulk loses to Superman is becuase they are in different universes. If they were in the same place the Hulk would have beaten Superman at least 5 out of 10 times. For some reason Batman and Superman are unbeatable in crossovers but let the truth be told, Hulk and Juggy all the way. :o

Just like superman bearly but won his fight with thor.
What I mean was they was in the marvel universe when they fought.
Oh but I forgot it was bias and such. Weakness to magic misuderstood agaian.
I say the danm fight could go either way,with lot of poperity damage and hell of alot bruses.

PPV anyone?

go team!

[Docker2.0]

Agreed!! It could go either way. That's why I say 5 out of 10 times, Hulk and Juggy would get it. That is 50% of the time. Seems like Supes has beat him everytime and that ain't going to happen.

[X]

Originally posted by SSR_Forest
Just like superman bearly but won his fight with thor.

What I mean was they was in the marvel universe when they fought.

Oh but I forgot it was bias and such.

weakness to magic misuderstood agaian.

I say the danm fight could go either way,with lot of poperity damage and hell of alot bruses.

PPV anyone?

go team!

You don't have to have a space between every sentence.

[Docker2.0]

Question: How is the magic thing misunderstood? I mean Superman has admitly a weakness to magic. He ADMITTED it himself. So that gives Juggy an automatic edge somewhat. That in sense could counter each other's force field.

[X]

Originally posted by Docker
Question: How is the magic thing misunderstood? I mean Superman has admitly a weakness to magic. He ADMITTED it himself. So that gives Juggy an automatic edge somewhat. That in sense could counter each other's force field.

The Juggernaut doesen't always have a force field, he can bring it up at will though. And his strength is mystical based, its hard to say what kind of an effect it would have on Superman bio-matrix force field.

[Docker2.0]

true Mr. X. You are the man. You may have even out placed the Guyver himself. With that being said, if you had to bet your lifesavings, who would you vote on?

[X]

Heh, thanks. :)

I'd personally go with The Hulk and The Juggernaut, most of the time anyhow. Captain Marvel's been beaten by Thor, Thor's been handled by The Juggernaut twice, The Hulk's beaten Thor, and so on. If you want to see how I feel about the fight, in detail, look at some of my earlier posts. :)q

[Fury]

Same the other way too. Supes beat Hulk, Hulk beat Juggs, Cap beat Supes. It's just too hard to look at past encounters with other heros. Just got to look at facts. All 4 are basically the same in strength, Juggs not so much though. Strength also depends on how much Supes is holding back and how pissed off Hulk gets. It's all on how quick and aggressive the fight can be ended. If that were the case then it goes to Supes and Cap.

[Docker2.0]

You forgettin the magic factor though. You don't know how that would affect Superman. Juggy is basically a mystical being.

[X]

The Juggernaut is extremly strong, well over class 100. Around Thor's level, which is class 130-150 in my opinion. And The Juggernaut has beaten The Hulk before. It was The Professor, and he did jump him but still.

[Docker2.0]

True. People under estimate Juggy becuase of bad writing but he could be pretty good if written how Stan the man intended him to be. He must be turning over in his grave by now!

[X]

Stan Lee isn't dead. :confused:

And some people ge tthe wrong idea of Juggy from his character Post Onslaught. He's pretty much totally worthless now. Bah. :mad: :(

[Docker2.0]

No Stan Lee isn't dead. That is a joke that I hear Charles Barkley say about something that the original wouldn't like. Juggy is poorly written. That we could agree on.

[X]

Ah, I get ya. :) ;)

[Docker2.0]

Are you really a teen ager? 16 is what I think you said?

[X]

Yup, just turned 16 a couple of days ago. :)

[Docker2.0]

ANother question: are you and GuyverJay neighbors? I mean, dude is over your way to and I was just curious. Have yall met?

[X]

Nope. I live in the states, CT actually. Guyver lives in england.

I'm beginning to miss Guyver. :(

[Docker2.0]

you live in the US now but you are from Italy?

[X]

I don't really live in Italy. That's a homage to one of my favorite movies. :)

[diamond head]

Originally posted by Mr. X
The Juggernaut is extremly strong, well over class 100. Around Thor's level, which is class 130-150 in my opinion. And The Juggernaut has beaten The Hulk before. It was The Professor, and he did jump him but still. Indeed the juggernaut's one of the strongest an toughest character in marvel universe, even stronger than a Thor who is a little stronger than hulk when he's not mad...

Juggernaut fight Thor before (twice as I recall ), the first time he completely beat the tar out of Thor and the second time he almost did the same thing if Thor didn’t find out about his force field and use Mjolnir to temporarily eliminate that force field for 60 second
Giving him enough time to land some heavy punch straight to Juggy's jaw.

These are great classic in comic books history.

[X]

Thor won both matches via removal from the battlefield...

[Guyverjay]

Lucky for him:D

[X]

I'll just leave it at this. If Thor really, really wanted to, The Juggernaut would be dead. :o

[Guyverjay]

Maybe now but not back then:o

[X]

I'm not talking about King Thor or anything. I'm talking about normal ol' Thor.

First of all, he showed it was within his power to negate Juggy's powers. He could of went all out on him then and beaten him to death with Mjolnir, hit him with some serious lighting (He once beat Ego this way), hit him with his god blast, hit him with unfettered might, and so on. Even with full powered Juggy, Thor could send him off to uber bad ass dimension. I don't think even Juggy would last very long at a place like The Crossroads, with beings like Klattu running around and what not. Take into account Thor killed Mangog, a being who makes Juggy look like nothing. :o

[Guyverjay]

Say what you wish but everytime and I do mean EVERYTIME he's gone up against juggy he has been made to look second best. You can't argue with the facts. Plus I don't count teleporting Juggy anyway, thats the pussy cowards way out. Not the way of a warrior. Yes he took his invulnerabilty away but as soon as it came back juggy was healed instantly. Even thors God Force did NOTHING but drive him backwards. Thor can't beat Juggy in a slugfest no way no how.

Plus Thor CAN'T use his hammer if he takes juggys invulnerabilty away bevause as soon as it returns to his hand the spell is over

[X]

Originally posted by guyverjay

Say what you wish but everytime and I do mean EVERYTIME he's gone up against juggy he has been made to look second best.

And the main reason for this being is Thornot going all out. True, most hero's don't, but I'm just saying how things could be if he wasn't in his normal ol' mindset.

You can't argue with the facts. Plus I don't count teleporting Juggy anyway, thats the pussy cowards way out. Not the way of a warrior.

Not true. I'm sure if Thor could fight Juggy where there were no innocents, he'd fight him until he found a way to really beat him, even if it cost him his life. Thor never backs down from a fight.

Yes he took his invulnerabilty away but as soon as it came back juggy was healed instantly.

Then again, Thor was using his fists during this time. If Mjolnir has come into play, Juggy would of went down.

Even thors God Force did NOTHING but drive him backwards. Thor can't beat Juggy in a slugfest no way no how

It broke the laws of physics as well. I'd like to see Juggy stand up to Thor's god blast with the belt of strength wrapped around Mjolnir, like what Thor did against the Celestials. And I never said Thor could win in a purely physical match up. I was talking about what else Thor could do.

[Guyverjay]

Plus Thor CAN'T use his hammer if he takes juggys invulnerabilty away bevause as soon as it returns to his hand the spell is over

[X]

Yeah yeah, I saw it the first time. :P

I'm sure Thor could find a way to negate Juggys powers without having to toss Mjolnir away, it's an extremly versatile weapon. What he did that time was just a spur of the moment kind of thing.

[Guyverjay]

Bah saying "I'm sure thor can find a way" doesn't cut the mustard:p

Even in the horrendously crappy Onslaught saga, onslaught said that it is IMPOSSIBLE to kill Juggernaut as long as he has the power of cytorrak

I feel all dirty now:(

[X]

As you should. :mad: :o

How in the hell would Onslaught know anyhow? Last time I checked he didn't have magical powers, and I don't think he exactly tried to prove or disprove his therory.

And these are the same comics where Juggy has a giant gem in his chest. Just conveniantly put there so Onslaught could pluck it out. Not to mention there was this new, retarded looking Cytorrak. Juggy commented, "Hey, he kind of looks like me!" So dumb. Juggy as seen Cytorrak before as well, amazing he didn't seem to care he has drastically changed.

[Guyverjay]

Yeah yeah I know:o

I feel so ashamed:(

*runs off crying*

[X]

Becuase you brought up the whole Onslaught thing in general or because you're wrong? :D :p ;)

[Guyverjay]

:mad:

I'll get you next time X.... NEXT TIME....BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*runs before X comes back*

[X]

Heh. :D :up:

I feel so...fufilled. :)

[Hunter D]

:supes: Superman and Shazam would rock there them (a@$es), end of story.

[newmexneon]

Holy dug from the grave thread, Batman!

I chose the destuction of earth and all four surviving with neither team gaining an upperhand.

[elvislennon2005]

I voted the Hulk and Juggy. Why? 1) Superman weakness to magic. You could Superman beat him before and ain't weak to magic but that story was badly written. When does Superman hit a total stranger and not hold back to see if dude can take him? For all he knew Juggy could have had Spiderman strength but in order to knock Juggy down, he would have had to hit him pretty hard. Way out of his character. 2) The Hulk would beat the "freak"out of Cap. Marvel. He could say shazam all he wanted to but the Hulk would get angrier and angrier. Plus I don't think Marvel has faced an opponent like the Hulk before. 3) Once Captain Marvel is gone, it is 2 against 1. If Superman struggles to beat either of these guys one on one, imagine what both of these guys could do to him. 4)Doomsday killed Superman and Doomsday is basically a Hulk rip off. The only reason the Hulk loses to Superman is becuase they are in different universes. If they were in the same place the Hulk would have beaten Superman at least 5 out of 10 times. For some reason Batman and Superman are unbeatable in crossovers but let the truth be told, Hulk and Juggy all the way. :o

Superman was not killed by Doomsday. His power just drain enough to make people think he was dead. Eradiacator used his abilities to bring Superman power's back to him. Oh and Doomsday is not a Hulk rip off. Doomsday was contructed on a Krypton moon. The experiment failed and it was started all over again. Hulk is what you could call the savage in us all. Doomsday can't be killed or destroy. The Hulk can be stop, Superman has done it four times already...so the over all score is Superman - 4 and Hulk - 0.

[newmexneon]

Superman was dead his heart had stopped and he had no brain activity.

[elvislennon2005]

He did not died.....It was even said in comics after that he didn't die. All of his powers and body gave out to a point that people thought he was dead. Kryptonians has those abilities. All Eradiacator had to do is get the remaining power that is left and use it for his and then bring Superman powers back to normal. If you notice lately on some sites you see something like Superman ''died'' while fighting Doomsday. They do this because Superman didn't die at all. Oh about his heart quitting on him. Kryptonians have been known to stop their hearts, Supergirl did many times. But that doesn't mean you are dead. Arach Knight can explain it to you much better than I can. Superman died a total of 5 times ok. The first one was a imaginary death. But the other times he indeed died and came back to life. These other times there were no Eradiacator program to help him out.

[doc35batman]

did anyone see the avengers dvd with thor,iron man,giant man, the wasp, capt.america, nick fury, and last but not least the hulk if so did you see what happen when at the end of the movie when the hulk beat the dust off of everyone and i mean everyone so don't be so quick to count out the hulk in this fight and also keep in mind when sups and the hulk went at it sups did not fight the ture hulk he fought with a version of the hulk called the intellegent hulk this is the hulk that has bruce banner brain in the hulks body i.e. not the wild , hulk smash kill everything in sight hulk like in this movie if sups would fight that hulk that hulk would have beat the dust off of sups