Naruto

[Colossal Spoons]

I hope more focus gets put on the kids again soon

[Neptune]

I went back and watched the fight between Neji and Kidoumaru(spider guy). I forgot how awesome Neji was in that fight :D

Yeah that fight is definitely in my top 5. I like his fighting style. If you get too close to Neji you're screwed.
On a sidenote: Will Rock Lee ever learn a nin jutsu technique?

[Colossal Spoons]

Neji and Kisame are my fav characters for a reason :D

Idk man, he might be taijutsu till he dies lol

[Neptune]

So we can agree that Kisame and Itachi are the coolest Akatsuki duo? :woot: I just love those 2. Have you seen Shippuden? Neji said that Kisame has more Chakra than anyone he's ever met Talk about powerful!

[Corinthian™]

So we can agree that Kisame and Itachi are the coolest Akatsuki duo? :woot: I just love those 2. Have you seen Shippuden? Neji said that Kisame has more Chakra than anyone he's ever met Talk about powerful!
it's not the size of the boat, it's the motion of the waves

[Lucy in the sky]

it's not the size of the boat, it's the motion of the waves
Kakashi:o

[mystic gohan]

I went back and watched the fight between Neji and Kidoumaru(spider guy). I forgot how awesome Neji was in that fight :D
Dude neji so rocked i think during those fights against the sound 4- 5 including kimimaru we saw a glipse of pure talent in them all i mean like what is to come in shippuden
Kakashi dude he's so not doing anthing for me right now i use to love kakashi and i thought he was so awesome but since i heardhe told naruto hewas stronger than him he just seems a loser to me, dont get me wrong still my fave chracter but come on put down make out paradise Be a NINJA!!!!!! not a perv

[mfbtl]

So we can agree that Kisame and Itachi are the coolest Akatsuki duo? :woot: I just love those 2. Have you seen Shippuden? Neji said that Kisame has more Chakra than anyone he's ever met Talk about powerful!

Actually he says, "I've never seen someone with this much power since Naruto."

[Neptune]

I wanna see how the others have improved in Shippuden. Especially Kiba,Shikamaru,Hinata and The Rock.

[The observer]

yeah, they havent been in any really awesome battles yet, and they need to be

[Genesis 1.0]

I guess the whole fighting yourself thing doesn't really count.

Man that blew....

[Colossal Spoons]

So we can agree that Kisame and Itachi are the coolest Akatsuki duo? :woot: I just love those 2. Have you seen Shippuden? Neji said that Kisame has more Chakra than anyone he's ever met Talk about powerful!

:D :up:

I wanna see how the others have improved in Shippuden. Especially Kiba,Shikamaru,Hinata and The Rock.

yeah, they havent been in any really awesome battles yet, and they need to be

Yeah, I can't wait for that :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

Anybody know how you unlock Itachi in Naruto: Clash Of Ninja Revolution for the Wii? There's like 6 different ways online.

[Nathan]

Anybody know how you unlock Itachi in Naruto: Clash Of Ninja Revolution for the Wii? There's like 6 different ways online.

Well, this is what it says on gamefaqs.

"Beat Mission "Rematch Itachi vs. Saskue", after unlocking all other starting characters plus Guy and Kankuro"

[xGEMSKIx]

has naruto surpassed sasuke yet dya think??

[Iron Fist]

Anybody know how you unlock Itachi in Naruto: Clash Of Ninja Revolution for the Wii? There's like 6 different ways online.

Who do you like to play the most in the game?

[Colossal Spoons]

Well, this is what it says on gamefaqs.

"Beat Mission "Rematch Itachi vs. Saskue", after unlocking all other starting characters plus Guy and Kankuro"

Yeah, I just did it today. Thanks :up:

Who do you like to play the most in the game?

Kisame, Neji, and Temari

[TankerX]

Me needs more Rock power in tha manga.....

[The observer]

has naruto surpassed sasuke yet dya think??
probably not, but you never know what kishimoto has up his sleeves

[xGEMSKIx]

probably not, but you never know what kishimoto has up his sleeves

i dont know about whether he has at the moment, but i think that he will later on... maybe in another fight between the two of them. Do you think anyone important will die in Shippuden other than Jiraya.

[The observer]

yes

[mystic gohan]

I wanna see how the others have improved in Shippuden. Especially Kiba,Shikamaru,Hinata and The Rock.i cant wait to see hinata i have a feeling she is going to be awesome

[uchiha_itachi]

i'd like to see her surpass or become equal to neji

[Neptune]

She has enough potential to at least be as skilled as Neji.

I don't think Naruto is as strong as Sasuke. Not in his normal state. I bet Sasuke is incredibly bad ass now. I wonder what kind of training he had or what kind of jutsu Orochimaru used to make him more powerful. I can't wait for the Sasuke/Itachi showdown that is bound to happen. I want to know more about Itachi.

[mystic gohan]

i'd like to see her surpass or become equal to nejilol dude she's gotta own neji.

She has enough potential to at least be as skilled as Neji.she so does i meanok into the starter of the fillers you see that new jutsu of hers, i cant remember what its called but it looks as though she has a hundred arms, i think deep down neji knows hinata will be stronger when she almost runs into him and dodge him neji was so shocked

[Colossal Spoons]

i'd like to see her surpass or become equal to neji

Surpass Neji? Haha. I wouldn't like that at all :down:

[Colossal Spoons]

lol dude she's gotta own neji.

she so does i meanok into the starter of the fillers you see that new jutsu of hers, i cant remember what its called but it looks as though she has a hundred arms, i think deep down neji knows hinata will be stronger when she almost runs into him and dodge him neji was so shocked

No way x10000

[The observer]

it might happen

[mystic gohan]

No way x10000
Your so wrong, im not saying it is going to happen just that it could and i wantit to, if you have saw those fillers you will know what i mean, neji is so suprised by her power

[uchiha_itachi]

Surpass Neji? Haha. I wouldn't like that at all :down:

lol or become equal. it would be some well needed character boosting.:D

[Colossal Spoons]

Your so wrong, im not saying it is going to happen just that it could and i wantit to, if you have saw those fillers you will know what i mean, neji is so suprised by her power

I meant no way to her owning him. She can get as strong as him if she wants, I don't think she'll ever beat him. Hidan was a lot stronger than Shikamaru and he still couldn't beat him.

I'd like to see this though, got an episode number? :up:

lol or become equal. it would be some well needed character boosting.:D

I think her character needs boosting before her power level. I'm tired of that shy business.

[uchiha_itachi]

I meant no way to her owning him. She can get as strong as him if she wants, I don't think she'll ever beat him. Hidan was a lot stronger than Shikamaru and he still couldn't beat him.

I'd like to see this though, got an episode number? :up:



I think her character needs boosting before her power level. I'm tired of that shy business.

see the shyness dosent bother me...for now anyway it should be part of her. but saying that i would love to see her just switch tottally to a super confident ninja in a battle. that would show alot for her. then her shyness should be phased out. making her confident in all aspects :D

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, I'd love for her to act more like Tenten.

[uchiha_itachi]

i cant even say how tenten acts since shes hardly in it, which sucks.

[Colossal Spoons]

Heh, yeah. I'd trade the whole Sakura/Ino friendship stuff for more Tenten/Hinata

[KalKai]

I wanna see how the others have improved in Shippuden. Especially Kiba,Shikamaru,Hinata and The Rock.

yeah, they havent been in any really awesome battles yet, and they need to be

Yeah, I can't wait for that :up:

Considering who they're facing right now, they have ZERO chances of winning or landing an attack on their opponent.

[mystic gohan]

I meant no way to her owning him. She can get as strong as him if she wants, I don't think she'll ever beat him. Hidan was a lot stronger than Shikamaru and he still couldn't beat him.

I'd like to see this though, got an episode number? :up:



I think her character needs boosting before her power level. I'm tired of that shy business.i'm not so sure, i cant remember what number exactly but if you have saw the fillers its when the're looking for the scent bug, just before she sets of neji is suprised by how fast she can move and while shes is looking for the scent bug she does some awesome jutsu, trust me we aint seen half of hinatas true power

i cant even say how tenten acts since shes hardly in it, which sucks.noooo, i hate ten ten i think shes by far the worst character in naruto, not important in any way shes just there.... if she doesnt get any more of an important rule in shippuden she should be axed

[Colossal Spoons]

Tenten needs to develop some justu that don't involve kunai or any other sharp object

[mystic gohan]

like hell she does shes a waste of space in my opinion

[uchiha_itachi]

cos shes not developed at all.

[TankerX]

She hardly appears anyway

[Sloth7d]

Tenten needs to develop some justu that don't involve kunai or any other sharp object

Tenten has potential if Kishi makes her into the Bullseye of the Naruto verse.

[Colossal Spoons]

Tenten has potential if Kishi makes her into the Bullseye of the Naruto verse.

That would be very interesting. She'd make a great(if not the only useful) member of ANBU

[The observer]

http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=305775
here is a really intresting theory on Akatsuki. I found another intresting one, and Ill post that later
WARNING! both of the theories are extremly long, and contain spoilers.

[The observer]

That would be very interesting. She'd make a great(if not the only useful) member of ANBU

:grin:

[uchiha_itachi]

http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=305775
here is a really intresting theory on Akatsuki. I found another intresting one, and Ill post that later
WARNING! both of the theories are extremly long, and contain spoilers.

some interesting stuff in there. didnt really explain the whole tobi/madara thing though. as in if madara is the leader why he was right at the bottom of the group, not even a member. the split personality thing i belive myself i came up with that on my own, basically cos i really want tobi to be obito. but theres certain things that dont add up, even in that theory.

[The observer]

point taken. heres the next one
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=255356
WARNING! as said before, this is extremly lon and has spoilers

[uchiha_itachi]

thats also pretty interesting. only thing though im not sure itachi is entirely evil.

but those theories are mostly very good. specially the one about sasuke.

[The observer]

yeah. that brings the number of theories I've brought to the hype from narutofan to 3

[uchiha_itachi]

what was the first one?

whats your thoughts on the theories? or you got any of your own?

[TankerX]

I liked them all, found it interesting.

Especially the:

itachi blindness and akatsuki immortality thing

[uchiha_itachi]

yeah that was well thought out.

[TankerX]

yeah that was well thought out.

You got any theories?

[uchiha_itachi]

none that are fully thought out as much as the ones we just read but, tobi is obito (lol) hes got a split personality thing going on. ive thought that for ages now. itachi may not be completly bad, im not sure but i think read somewere jiarya has a spy in the akatsuki? if thts true then i think its itachi. i'd love for him itachi to turn around and save his brother or somthing proving that hes not all bad, theres alot more to him than it seems i think.

thats all that comes to mind for now.

[dr venture]

The thing about Itachi being blind was interesting

[The observer]

what was the first one?

whats your thoughts on the theories? or you got any of your own?
the first one was around page 202 or 203, about narutos chakra.
I think that the final bad guy in Naruto will be the Kyubi. It will break from its seal, and attempt to destroy Konoha again. Naruto, however, will stop it, and either become Hokage, or die a Hokages death, and get his face carved into the mountain, and so on. He will be respected, and admired by the village,as was his dream

[mystic gohan]

the first one was around page 202 or 203, about narutos chakra.
I think that the final bad guy in Naruto will be the Kyubi. It will break from its seal, and attempt to destroy Konoha again. Naruto, however, will stop it, and either become Hokage, or die a Hokages death, and get his face carved into the mountain, and so on. He will be respected, and admired by the village,as was his dreamwow, that is so verry possible and would be an amazing way to end naruto, i mean what a way to go out, just like minato.

[uchiha_itachi]

slight problem with that. the kyuubi cant escape with out killing naruto. the only person to survive a tailed beast leaving him was garra and that was soley because that old woman ( name escapes me) used a special jutsu only she knew on him.

[The observer]

Well, its a fictional world. If Kishi wants it, Kishi gets it, and can come up with several beleivable explanations for why

[uchiha_itachi]

i think thats one thing he cant go back on. it would defeat the object of that old woman sacrificing herself

[The observer]

well, im saying that he could find a way for the Kyubi to escape without killing naruto, or something like that. or maybe it will all take place inside his head. like, kyubi takes over, and is about to destroy the village, but naruto stops it

[The observer]

from within......

[uchiha_itachi]

the in his mind thing could work. but i think he would need to defeat a huge threat out side his mind without using kyubbi power. if he defeats somthing in his mind it would only show will power.

[mystic gohan]

slight problem with that. the kyuubi cant escape with out killing naruto. the only person to survive a tailed beast leaving him was garra and that was soley because that old woman ( name escapes me) used a special jutsu only she knew on him.i dont know im not sure sure about that, each time when the seal is released on naruto we see more and more of the nine tails, whos to say that all of the kyuubis spirit energy couldn't leak out of him one day its not impossible or even improbable, remember gaara had his removed, its like if your forcefully remove something it aint gonna do it much good plus probably if the akatsuki was that determined they probably could have kept him alive but im sure they weren't too bothered by him.

[uchiha_itachi]

i dont know im not sure sure about that, each time when the seal is released on naruto we see more and more of the nine tails, whos to say that all of the kyuubis spirit energy couldn't leak out of him one day its not impossible or even improbable, remember gaara had his removed, its like if your forcefully remove something it aint gonna do it much good plus probably if the akatsuki was that determined they probably could have kept him alive but im sure they weren't too bothered by him.

garra, perfect example remeber what happend to him? he took on shkikukus form but he wasn't realesed. thats all thats happening with naruto and his seals. the kyuubi would escape completly leaving narutos body behind.

[mystic gohan]

Shukaku was released well its full form, it was released by Gaaras slumber as the Kyuubi is released with narutos anger

[mystic gohan]

ok i was posting some fan art pictures of my dbz drawings in the dbz section and i thought what the hell ill post my naruto ones in here, since i dont know where else to put them i figuredyou guys would appreciate them most.

KAKASHI!!!
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/825/jays0003lb9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Sasuke, yeah i know i spelt Uchiha wrong and that it kinda look like Itachi but still i treid lol
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8540/jays0004ay8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

and Kakashi again
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/7179/jays0007wp8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[The observer]

the in his mind thing could work. but i think he would need to defeat a huge threat out side his mind without using kyubbi power. if he defeats somthing in his mind it would only show will power.


It would also show an unbreakable resolve, loyalty to the leaf, and a feirce desire to protect what he cares about. anyway, if he dies, I could still see his face in the mountain. He wouldve given evrything, including his life, to protect the Leaf village. And that is a death worthy of a Hokage

[The observer]

Oh, an I like the 3rd pic, Gohan
:yay:

[uchiha_itachi]

Shukaku was released well its full form, it was released by Gaaras slumber as the Kyuubi is released with narutos anger

but it was still sealed in him.

[uchiha_itachi]

It would also show an unbreakable resolve, loyalty to the leaf, and a feirce desire to protect what he cares about. anyway, if he dies, I could still see his face in the mountain. He wouldve given evrything, including his life, to protect the Leaf village. And that is a death worthy of a Hokage

thats true, but doing a physical battle would also show that. and i really think he shouldnt die.

[The observer]

what i dont get, is how did gaara survive without going to sleep? did they have someone supress shukaku, like yamato?

[uchiha_itachi]

probly just had insomnia. you dont need sleep to live.

[The observer]

thats true, but doing a physical battle would also show that. and i really think he shouldnt die.
but just a few posts ago, you said there couldnt be a physical battle, because Kyubi escaping naruto would kill him. and i donwant naruto to die either. But still, it would make for a pretty cool ending. naruto wins, is barely alive, Sakura comes up, starts crieng because she knows hes done for, naruto dies in her arms, and then the last issue is a recollection of memeories from everyone who knew him, take place during his funeral. the last panel would have a full page view of naruots face in the mountain.

[The observer]

edit: sorry, double post

[najnaimik23]

can someone explain me byakugan's blind spot. Cuz i didnt understand it when neji was fighting that spider dude.

[The observer]

what dont you understand? the Byakugan has one blind spot, behind some nerve. Kidomaru saw this, and launched his attacks at his blind spots. but negi made up for that by channeling chakra whre he couldnt see. that way, when something went through the blind spot, it would disrupt nejis chakra, alerting him

[uchiha_itachi]

but just a few posts ago, you said there couldnt be a physical battle, because Kyubi escaping naruto would kill him. and i donwant naruto to die either. But still, it would make for a pretty cool ending. naruto wins, is barely alive, Sakura comes up, starts crieng because she knows hes done for, naruto dies in her arms, and then the last issue is a recollection of memeories from everyone who knew him, take place during his funeral. the last panel would have a full page view of naruots face in the mountain.

i ment him fighting some other than the kyuubi.

[mystic gohan]

Oh, an I like the 3rd pic, Gohan
:yay:Thank you,im glad someone likes it

but it was still sealed in him.im not so sure about that lol who do you think was controlling who when shukaku came out?

can someone explain me byakugan's blind spot. Cuz i didnt understand it when neji was fighting that spider dude.ok basically its a lie the byakuganDoesnt have 360 degree vision more like 359 so what he does in that one spot he cant see he puts out alot of chakra so that anything in that zone he will know about, kinda like a spider and its web, you know the vibrations it feels and it knows something caught in its web well likethat

[The observer]

i ment him fighting some other than the kyuubi.
but the Kyuubi would be the ultimate villan. I mean, no other villan in naruto would be as cool as that

[uchiha_itachi]

Thank you,im glad someone likes it

im not so sure about that lol who do you think was controlling who when shukaku came out?

ok basically its a lie the byakuganDoesnt have 360 degree vision more like 359 so what he does in that one spot he cant see he puts out alot of chakra so that anything in that zone he will know about, kinda like a spider and its web, you know the vibrations it feels and it knows something caught in its web well likethat

well it was still sealed in him cos other wise the akasuki wouldn't of gone after garra would they?

[uchiha_itachi]

but the Kyuubi would be the ultimate villan. I mean, no other villan in naruto would be as cool as that

it wouldnt be though. he can only over come it mentally which would be good to see, but he would also need an outside threat since the kyuunbi cant leave naruto for good with out naruto dying.

[mystic gohan]

well it was still sealed in him cos other wise the akasuki wouldn't of gone after garra would they?
yeah i understand what your saying dude,i cant explain my point any further so win you win this one, but "i'll be back"
it wouldnt be though. he can only over come it mentally which would be good to see, but he would also need an outside threat since the kyuunbi cant leave naruto for good with out naruto dying.im willing to bet towards the end the nine tails is released an naruto doesnt die and that its just released by narutos anger. im also willing to bet it will be because of the death of someone like kakashi or sasuke, did you see how worked up he got with gaara, whoa if it was someone actualy close to him all hell would brake lose.

[Genesis 1.0]

Yes my friends, ignorance is alive and well.

[TankerX]

And is retarded as ever!

[The observer]

CREAT THEM PLUS THE NAMES ARE DUMB:bh:
the names are jappaneese:cmad:

[Matt]

WELL THIS IS AMERICA WERE WE ARE FREE TO DO SYLAR UP THE BUTT, BUT SERIOSLY THE NAMES ARE GAY AND SO ARE YOU :bh:

http://i15.tinypic.com/4pudwt3.gif

[oakzap425]

You are welcome for the Banning of Fools Fool.


I shall return to my self-imposed exile of this Thread. :o


Edit:

That is the greatest gif ever.

[Matt]

Banned again.

[TankerX]

Justice is served, now can we get back to naruto?

[mystic gohan]

just out of interest, whats everyones best fight throughout all of naruto and shippuden?

[The observer]

neji vs. spiderguy

[Colossal Spoons]

http://i15.tinypic.com/4pudwt3.gif

Thanks dude :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

You are welcome for the Banning of Fools Fool.


I shall return to my self-imposed exile of this Thread. :o


Edit:

That is the greatest gif ever.

Why exactly are you avoiding the thread?

[mystic gohan]

neji vs. spiderguy
not bad:up:
think i'm gonna go with rock lee vs gaara or rock lee vs kimimaro

[Colossal Spoons]

just out of interest, whats everyones best fight throughout all of naruto and shippuden?

Naruto: Rock Lee vs Gaara(chuunin exams)
Shippuden: Not sure, haven't really loved any fights so far. Kakashi vs Deidara was pretty cool

[mystic gohan]

oh shippuden for me is the gaara vs deidara or the kakashi vs deidara mainly because it was kinda funny, everyone deidara fought just seemed to want to destroy his arms

[Colossal Spoons]

I can't wait to see more of Temari. That jutsu she does w/ the ermines was cool.

[TankerX]

I loved alot of the fights in Naruto, here are my top 10 from part 1:

1)Third Hokage vs Orochimaru (probably one of my fave anime fights ever)
2)Neji Vs Kidoumaru (Watching Neji perform 128 palms...)
3)Chouji vs Jiroubou (CHOJI OWNS!!!!!!!!!!!)
4)Zabuza vs Kakashi (need i say more??? a great first fight)
5)Naruto vs Sasuke (i loved the animation and the ending was beautiful)
6)Rock Lee vs Kimimaro (Lee badass!)
7)Rock Lee vs Gaara (I'm not lying, i nearly cried when Lee lost that)
8)Orochimaru vs Jiraiya and Tsunade (Would've been my number 2 if it weren't so brief!)
9)Naruto vs Gaara (when they both transformed and it ended with Naruto headbutting Gaara)
10)Sasuke vs Orochimaru/Giant Snake (Loved the animation)

As for shippuden....yet to come Orochimaru vs Sasuke xD

[The observer]

I forgot abot lee gaara, i loved that fight, even though im not a big lee fan

[Colossal Spoons]

I loved alot of the fights in Naruto, here are my top 10 from part 1:

1)Third Hokage vs Orochimaru (probably one of my fave anime fights ever)

Ew, really? That fight was painful to watch. 2 grown men tugging a sword back and forth for like 4 episodes lol :down:

[mfbtl]

Kisame vs Gai, Neji, Lee, and Ten ten.

[TankerX]

Ew, really? That fight was painful to watch. 2 grown men tugging a sword back and forth for like 4 episodes lol :down:

Nah not that bit, where it was the third against the first,second and orochimaru

[dr venture]

The fight I can't wait to see animated is Jiraiya vs Pein even though I know it won't be like for the next 5 years considering the pace of the anime is slow as hell

[TankerX]

The fight I can't wait to see animated is Jiraiya vs Pein even though I know it won't be like for the next 5 years considering the pace of the anime is slow as hell

Well its starting to speed up now...finally on the big naruto/orochimaru fight

[Sloth7d]

Well its starting to speed up now...finally on the big naruto/orochimaru fight

They're finally at that point in the series, but by no means did they speed up the pacing to get there.

[Colossal Spoons]

Nah not that bit, where it was the third against the first,second and orochimaru

Yeah, that part was cool. The end involving that monkey-staff and the sword tugging was torture lol

[TankerX]

Yeah, that part was cool. The end involving that monkey-staff and the sword tugging was torture lol
Just rewatched it, totally agree - i kept thinking JUST DIE ALREADY!!!!

5 days till next chapter apparently :(

[YoungE808]

For me I think the top five best fights, not including Shippuuden, go:

5. Lee vs Gaara-If you don't know why this is on here then I don't know what in God's name is your problem. Most people remember this as the fight when Lee went Super Saiyan. In actuality, he opened I think 5 gates of chakra and went to town on Gaara. Opening the Gates made Lee so powerful that he broke through Gaara's natural sand guard and smashed a piece of his face off, making Lee the first person to actually harm Gaara.

4. Sarutobi the Third Hokage vs Orochimaru- At this point in the story, the Chuunin Exam finals were already 2 fights in and the most anticipated fight, Gaara of the Desert vs Uchiha Sasuke, was well in its way. Suddenly all hell breaks loose and the Third Hokage ends up in the Hell Square thing facing off with Orochimaru. Now, all the fights at this point have been either genin or jounin level. This was the first HOKAGE level match.

What makes this fight great was that not only was this a Hokage level battle with the tensions of Orochimaru fighting his sensei Sarutobi being let out in war, we got to see some Forbidden Techniques. With these techniques, Orochimaru brought back the First and Second Hokage who was under Orochimaru's control. Now first off, the First and Second Hokage were brothers with the First specializing in Mokaton (Wood) which noone else can do :cwink: while Second Hokage is a master in Suition (Water.

Once summoned, the two Hokages go to work on Sarutobi, forming water out of nowhere and turning the rooftops into a gigantic tree jungle. The emotions in the battle is what turns this into something beyond great with what happens at the end and the Will of Fire.

3. Naruto, Lee, and Gaara vs Kimimaro

This was simply a fantastic fight. Some may say that this fight can be substituted with the previous hokage battle but I put this at number 3. There were just so many highlights in this fight that range from Kimimaro destroying the kyuubi powered naruto clones, Lee coming to the rescue and using his drunken fighting...actually.

Lee's drunken fighting deserves its own paragraph. After accidently swapping his medicine for Saki, Lee becomes drunk and actually starts landing a bunch of blows to Kimimaro in an excellently drawn scene. The funny noises added to the fight as well.

Then of course, when all hope is lost after Kimimaro stops playing around, who comes to the rescue? Gaara. He saves the day and then uses a ton of new jutsu that we haven't seen before (hence new). Kimimaro even goes into his second curse seal form and creates a giant bone drill. Words can hardly describe this fight.


I'll edit this post with the next two...got tired.

[skaar23]

when rock lee was drunk he was pretty strong. He almost took out kimimaro by himself. So what will happen if rock lee was drunk and open the gates. How strong do you people think hes gonna get?

[The observer]

can he even open the gates while drunk?

[mystic gohan]

when rock lee was drunk he was pretty strong. He almost took out kimimaro by himself. So what will happen if rock lee was drunk and open the gates. How strong do you people think hes gonna get?
wow i never really wondered about that, good point mayber we will see that later on in shippuden, maybe its being saved as like a "secret weapon"

[Sloth7d]

when rock lee was drunk he was pretty strong. He almost took out kimimaro by himself. So what will happen if rock lee was drunk and open the gates. How strong do you people think hes gonna get?

:huh: He wasn't even close to doing that.

[mfbtl]

^ Yeah I think he only hit Kimimaro like twice.

[Colossal Spoons]

Haha, yeah

[Genesis 1.0]

Yeah, I was kinda wondering the same thing about that statement. He was unpredictable and therefore landed a blow but Kimimaro sobered him up quick with barely breaking a sweat.

In any case, I enjoyed:

Neji vs Kidoumaru

Lee vs Gaara

Sasori vs Granny and Sakura

Kakashi vs Zabuza

Itachi vs Sasuke (So Far and despite the fact I don't much enjoy the Uchiha clan.)

[Sloth7d]

For some reason I can't pick a favorite fight. It used to be Neji vs Naruto, but now I like all of the fights equally for what they bring to the table.

[Colossal Spoons]

The first fight I really enjoyed(post-Zabuza/Haku) was Sasuke vs those sound ninja. When his cursed seal was taking over him. When he broke that dude's arms, I was like "WTF :eek:"

[Sloth7d]

It made you feel sorry for Lee, though, with how he got beat by them.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, but they did think of creative ways to counter his moves. Using sound to soften the impact of his Primary Lotus was genius.

[Genesis 1.0]

Oh yeah, I almost forgot an all-time favorite: Naruto vs Sasuke (valley of the End). A great fight but the end.....

[YoungE808]

That was actually my number one but I got too lazy

[Neptune]

Yeah, I was kinda wondering the same thing about that statement. He was unpredictable and therefore landed a blow but Kimimaro sobered him up quick with barely breaking a sweat.

In any case, I enjoyed:

Neji vs Kidoumaru

Lee vs Gaara

Sasori vs Granny and Sakura

Kakashi vs Zabuza

Itachi vs Sasuke (So Far and despite the fact I don't much enjoy the Uchiha clan.)

When did Sasuke fight Itachi? Was it in the manga?

[Mistress Gluon]

Yeah, it's what's happening as of the latest issue. Didn't seem all that awesome to me yet, but we'll see.

[Neptune]

:wow: I can't wait to see that. Brother vs. brother. Sharingan vs. Mangekyou Sharingan.

[Mistress Gluon]

Sasuke will probably get his Mangekyou during, or because of the fight.

[AndThePickles]

Ew, really? That fight was painful to watch. 2 grown men tugging a sword back and forth for like 4 episodes lol :down:

Ugh, bad memories :csad:

[Lucy in the sky]

Kakashi vs. Zabuza the second time around was awesome! Kakashi casually raikiri's Haku then goes on to smack Zabuza around.

[Genesis 1.0]

That was actually my number one but I got too lazy

Yeah, definitely an awesome fight where we got to see alot of 1st's. Totally awesome.

[vindrow]

I funally started watching this anime after I caught up on One Piece..up to episode 207 right now...not a bad show preety good in fact, I like the characters, but for me I do like One Piece better...but, I will definatley keep up with the Naruto episodes.

[Colossal Spoons]

The One Piece theme song is the best part of the show :D

[AndThePickles]

The One Piece theme song is the best part of the show :D

Ugh :csad:

[vindrow]

The One Piece theme song is the best part of the show :D


Hehe...which one:woot:

I would say that I like the characters on the show...especially Zoro, and Luffy, probably the only anime character more thick headed than naruto.

[Neptune]

The new episode will be online tomorrow!!!:woot:

[Colossal Spoons]

Weeeee

[FadingCB]

I've been reading a lot of disturbing things, so was wondering if any of you guys know anything about it as I rarely read on the subbers themselves and just watch the subs.

Ok I know Dattebayo does the Naruto and Bleach subs (think a few others occasionally release them too), but I hear Dattebayo is stopping. The reason is Japan is cracking down on anime subs, and Dattebayo has for years asked ppl to stop releasing their subs on youtube and another site, yeoh I think it is. Ppl kept uploading anyway, and they made a post saying they were flat out stopping releasing subs until ppl stopped uploading as they wished not to get in trouble, and were looking out for subbing in the long run as the lower key it is the longer it stays around. They even made a point to say it's not a joke.

Many are saying they think it is, but like I said Dattebayo bolded on their site that it isn't a prank, and took their site down for a bit. So is Dattebayo releasing the new Naruto tomorrow? And if they are serious and don't release it for possibly weeks, does another group release Naruto episodes? Just curious cause I'm eager to see 4-tails whup Orochimaru and hate the thought of not being able to see the episode for a good long while.

[FadingCB]

Here's their site for the statement.

file:///F:/Program%20Files/World%20of%20Warcraft/



DB Halting Fansubbing Production Indefinitely, Effective Immediately



Dear leechers,
We have warned everyone repeatedly on the issue of streaming our subs.
We sincerely appreciate everyone's efforts to spread the Naruto/Bleach love, but were growing increasingly frustrated, not to mention worried, over our repeatedly ignored requests not to upload our material to Veoh, Youtube and other streaming sites.
Perhaps you guys aren't aware, but the flagrant disregard for our requests puts us in an increasingly vulnerable position as a fansubbing group. We don't want to be shut down (which is something we are in constant threat of) and if our rules are not honored, we may well be.
Therefore we once again make this request:

Please do NOT upload any of our released episodes to streaming sites. Since it's hard to get people to comply just by writing in these news, we need to get your attention. So effective immediately, we are forced to stop releasing our subtitled episodes for ALL our current projects until the request is met, full stop. This includes Naruto, Bleach, Pitagora Switch and Pokemon.
We regret that we have to take such a drastic stance, but our requests have gone ignored for years. There's not much more we can do to protect ourselves and to continue bringing these episodes to fans, but we believe that taking these precautions now will keep us operational for the long run. And we hope to keep bringing these episodes to English-speaking fans for a long time. Please help us by abiding by our rules.
Here’s the issue: Dattebayo translates and subtitles anime, and released the episodes for public download on our website. Lots of well-meaning fans then take these Dattebayo episodes, re-encode / cut them into parts and upload them onto streaming sites like Youtube or Veoh. THIS IS BAD. The reason is not because Dattebayo is stupid or annoying or mean.

It's disrespectful to the subbers’ wishes, but more importantly,
Fansubbing is not legal, and with the popularity of Naruto/Bleach growing, legitimate companies have licensed them for DVD releases outside of Japan. That makes fansubbers a target - although Dattebayo makes no money, legally the companies have all the right to shut us down. Because Dattebayo is a prominent fansubbing group, it's at constant risk and legal threat. When you put videos on Veoh/Youtube, that exposes the group and makes it a big target.
To this end, Dattebayo has politely and repeatedly asked uploaders on many streaming sites to STOP UPLOADING our files. Many people assume that the uploaders have Dattebayo's permission, but that's not true. The uploaders have basically ignored all polite requests to stop. With recent changes to Youtube "copyright enforcement" policy, it's nearly impossible to get Dattebayo material removed once it's been uploaded, therefore leaving our work in horrible quality for everyone to view.
Which is why Dattebayo has decided that we will put a hold on all our subtitled episode releases until the uploaders comply. We've been way too nice so far by letting this issue slide, but this is the end. Here's our (repeated) request to everyone who butchers our work by uploading it to streaming sites. STOP. If you're an uploader, please DO NOT UPLOAD DATTEBAYO SUBS to any more streaming sites. If you're guilty of doing this in the past, and your streaming site account is still valid, GO AND DELETE ALL THE DATTEBAYO VIDEOS WHICH BELONG TO YOUR ACCOUNT. We NEVER gave ANYONE permission to upload our work to ANY STREAMING SITE. If you're not an uploader and want to help, flag our work you find on streaming sites as copyright infringement, send private message to uploader asking to remove content, etc. This is probably futile due to immense amount of idiots who are unable to read yet are able to figure out how to click "upload" button, but it doesn't hurt to try.
It might be annoying to have to figure out how to watch anime without Youtube or Veoh, but trust me, it's really not that hard. And some fans complain, "I don't know how to do it! It’s too hard! I need Veoh!" Well, if we fansubbers can figure out how to download Naruto, translate it, time it, edit it, encode it, release it - surely you can learn how to watch it. Or you can always (and should) buy the DVDs when they're released officially.
Dattebayo is providing a SERVICE - a free, fast, reliable service. Fansubbers would like to keep providing the service, so we hope everyone can understand why this decision has been made. Dattebayo's wish is NOT to shut down anime-sharing - it’s to keep it alive for the long run. Please help by considering the bigger picture.
Without streaming sites, anime-watching may become less convenient, that is unfortunately true. But it's better than shutting down fansubbing entirely - because then you'll have no anime at all.
Dattebayo Fansubs, LLC. Taking internet seriously for the last 3.22 years
P.S. This is NOT a troll. Also, NO ACCOUNT on Youtube is operated, given permission to upload, or approved by us. So stop asking.






Anyway if it is true best to spread the word around. Would hate not to be able to watch Bleach or Naruto anymore because of a handfull of ppl that refuse to quit uploading to streaming sites.


Edit - BTW don't dl the Naruto 42 on their site, apparently it's a prank on their part to mess with the streamers I believe. I haven't dl'd it, but it doesn't even air til tomorrow so it has to be some kind of joke.

[Iron Fist]

Spoons, what would you do to a Neji hater? Just curious. :o

[Colossal Spoons]

I'd probably hit him 64 times and shut off his chakra

[najnaimik23]

I'd probably hit him 64 times and shut off his chakra

hahahahahahahaha. funny guy........funny guy.

[Iron Fist]

I'd probably hit him 64 times and shut off his chakra

LOL! Just asking man.

[Colossal Spoons]

lol, I'm just sayin

[mfbtl]

That's awsome.

[Lucy in the sky]

I thought Neji looked stupid with his hat or whatever it is. Looked like he was an aviator:o Now he looks more angry and noble like a hyuuga clan member should be.

[Colossal Spoons]

I agree, that hat was weird

[Genesis 1.0]

Meh, reading through the manga again and I'm still dumbfounded as to just how Kakashi isn't stronger than what he is. For a man that's been billed as being smarter than Shikimaru, having a better sense of smell than Kiba, better Taijutsu than Lee, and a greater Sharingan than Sasuke before he went to Orochimaru, just how in the HELL did he have that much trouble with anyone, much less Diedra?

This is one reason I'm looking forward to Kishi following through on his promise to advance Kakashi this year. Of any charecter, he definitely has one of the highest potentials and results that so far, don't even reach the mark, Obito would be ashamed.

[Sloth7d]

Meh, reading through the manga again and I'm still dumbfounded as to just how Kakashi isn't stronger than what he is. For a man that's been billed as being smarter than Shikimaru, having a better sense of smell than Kiba, better Taijutsu than Lee, and a greater Sharingan than Sasuke before he went to Orochimaru, just how in the HELL did he have that much trouble with anyone, much less Diedra?



The answer is, none of that is true, as seen in every one of Kakashi's fights. Naruto wasn't being literal when he said that.

[Lucy in the sky]

The answer is, none of that is true, as seen in every one of Kakashi's fights. Naruto wasn't being literal when he said that.

Those all seem true. If he was always shown as that good then the other characters wouldn't do anything, though. Then instead of being Naruto or Sasuke it would be called Kakashi.:huh:

[mfbtl]

Meh, reading through the manga again and I'm still dumbfounded as to just how Kakashi isn't stronger than what he is. For a man that's been billed as being smarter than Shikimaru, having a better sense of smell than Kiba, better Taijutsu than Lee, and a greater Sharingan than Sasuke before he went to Orochimaru, just how in the HELL did he have that much trouble with anyone, much less Diedra?


I don't recall him having to much trouble with Diedra. Diedra was running away the entire fight and Kakashi was just drained from using a very powerful attack. Itachi even gets effected by using the Mangekyou.

[Sloth7d]

Those all seem true. If he was always shown as that good then the other characters wouldn't do anything, though. Then instead of being Naruto or Sasuke it would be called Kakashi.:huh:

I'm looking for an in universe explanation. If he was smarter than Shikamaru he would never went along with Shika's plan to battle Kakuzu or Hidan. If his sense of smell was a good as Kiba's he wouldn't be letting Kiba lead the front in the search for Sasuke currently.Nor would he need he have had trouble detecting Zabuza when he hid in thick fog of mist. If his taijutsu was as better than Lee's he would have demonstrated it to Sasuke himself. Instead he told Sasuke to envision Lee's movements during the training to gain Lee's taijutsu.
Naruto was speaking in hyperbole.

[skaar23]

QUESTION. i dont get it if madara was obito why does pein takes order from him? Wouldnt pein be stronger than him cuz he has the rennegan and they said that rennegan is the strongest of all eye technique so that means that its stronger than sharingan.....right?

[Sloth7d]

The Rinnengan is supposed to be superior to the sharngan, however that doesn't automatcally mean he's superior to Madara. Outside of the eye techniques, Madara is just probably more skilled taijutsu and ninjutsu wise.

[Genesis 1.0]

I'm looking for an in universe explanation. If he was smarter than Shikamaru he would never went along with Shika's plan to battle Kakuzu or Hidan. If his sense of smell was a good as Kiba's he wouldn't be letting Kiba lead the front in the search for Sasuke currently.Nor would he need he have had trouble detecting Zabuza when he hid in thick fog of mist. If his taijutsu was as better than Lee's he would have demonstrated it to Sasuke himself. Instead he told Sasuke to envision Lee's movements during the training to gain Lee's taijutsu.
Naruto was speaking in hyperbole.

All these actions are those of a teacher or any older figure allowing the next generation to come fully into their abilities. Shinobi learn under fire, if they can't do it in 'Do or Die' situations, then they won't cut it. Hell, Minato left Kakashi's team to take care of a bridge that he could have easily taken care of along with his own mission. Instead they were forced to do it on their own, not because he couldn't have done it and not that it wasn't vital to the Leaf, but because he wanted THEM to do it. As to the Zabuza fight, he finished him off pretty handily when not taken off-guard, as any ninja would, even the Sannin can be caught off-guard and it doesn't lessen their status.

When you start dividing what you feel to be hyperbole and truth then you have to do so with damn near every statement regarding someone's abilities. For instance:

1: When Nehi faced Kido, it was said that he was the strongest of the group that went after Sasuke. Neji later states that of all the people he's faced, Kido was the strongest. He then turns right back around at the end and says naruto was.

2: Kakashi's controversial statement that Naruto was stronger than he was.

Are you starting to see the slippery slope? Some are exaggerations and some to be taken literally but only a small margin is so concrete you can say it's fact.

[Sloth7d]

All these actions are those of a teacher or any older figure allowing the next generation to come fully into their abilities. Shinobi learn under fire, if they can't do it in 'Do or Die' situations, then they won't cut it. Hell, Minato left Kakashi's team to take care of a bridge that he could have easily taken care of along with his own mission. Instead they were forced to do it on their own, not because he couldn't have done it and not that it wasn't vital to the Leaf, but because he wanted THEM to do it. As to the Zabuza fight, he finished him off pretty handily when not taken off-guard, as any ninja would, even the Sannin can be caught off-guard and it doesn't lessen their status.

When you start dividing what you feel to be hyperbole and truth then you have to do so with damn near every statement regarding someone's abilities. For instance:

1: When Nehi faced Kido, it was said that he was the strongest of the group that went after Sasuke. Neji later states that of all the people he's faced, Kido was the strongest. He then turns right back around at the end and says naruto was.

2: Kakashi's controversial statement that Naruto was stronger than he was.

Are you starting to see the slippery slope? Some are exaggerations and some to be taken literally but only a small margin is so concrete you can say it's fact.

But in this case we have tons of evidence suggesting it's not a fact. You can't take what Naruto said seriously when Kakashi never demonstrates the level of skill in those particular areas that Naruto saids Kakashi has them beat on.
Regardless of what any teacher would let his students do to mature, there is no way Kakashi would go out to face two deadly members of Akatsuki following a plan of Shikamaru's if he could come up with one better.
As for Zabuza, he never would have been taken off guard if his sense of smell was as good as Kiba's. He also wouldn't have needed his dog summons to sniff out Zabuza's location. He could have just done it on his own. Kiba could have.
Lastly, as I said for Lee, he wanted Sasuke to envision Lee's movements rather than demonstrate the taijutsu art himself. If he was better at taijutsu, wouldn't it make more sense to show him the art in a more efficient way if he could?
Naruto was just out right exxagerating.

[dr venture]

The new episode of Naruto is out and it is subbed

[Genesis 1.0]

But in this case we have tons of evidence suggesting it's not a fact. You can't take what Naruto said seriously when Kakashi never demonstrates the level of skill in those particular areas that Naruto saids Kakashi has them beat on.
Regardless of what any teacher would let his students do to mature, there is no way Kakashi would go out to face two deadly members of Akatsuki following a plan of Shikamaru's if he could come up with one better.
As for Zabuza, he never would have been taken off guard if his sense of smell was as good as Kiba's. He also wouldn't have needed his dog summons to sniff out Zabuza's location. He could have just done it on his own. Kiba could have.
Lastly, as I said for Lee, he wanted Sasuke to envision Lee's movements rather than demonstrate the taijutsu art himself. If he was better at taijutsu, wouldn't it make more sense to show him the art in a more efficient way if he could?
Naruto was just out right exxagerating.

So you're telling me that in that same line of logic, Minato couldn't have devised a better plan to destroy that bridge during the Ninja Wars? I don't buy it. You send them out and let them develop or fail on their own, babysitting shinobi makes no sense. They'd never learn if they didn't make mistakes in the first place. Shikimaru's plan may have been sound and well thought out but any holes in it could be corrected if need be if they posed a danger to the group by Kakashi.

I could invest more time and energy in disputing your disputes to my original points but it's clear to me that we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

Personally, I think he's fallen far below his potential and why he's going to be a major focal point for the coming year according to Kishi. He's getting this spotlight because he needs it. Desperately.

[mfbtl]

But in this case we have tons of evidence suggesting it's not a fact. You can't take what Naruto said seriously when Kakashi never demonstrates the level of skill in those particular areas that Naruto saids Kakashi has them beat on.
Regardless of what any teacher would let his students do to mature, there is no way Kakashi would go out to face two deadly members of Akatsuki following a plan of Shikamaru's if he could come up with one better.
As for Zabuza, he never would have been taken off guard if his sense of smell was as good as Kiba's. He also wouldn't have needed his dog summons to sniff out Zabuza's location. He could have just done it on his own. Kiba could have.
Lastly, as I said for Lee, he wanted Sasuke to envision Lee's movements rather than demonstrate the taijutsu art himself. If he was better at taijutsu, wouldn't it make more sense to show him the art in a more efficient way if he could?
Naruto was just out right exxagerating.

I agree that Naruto may have been exagerating, but that doesn't take away from Kakashi's abilities. The argument about Shikamaru's plan: Kakashi admitted that it was the perfect plan so I see no problem him following along with it. After all not only had Shikamaru thought about it longer than Kakashi did; Kakashi was also kind of a "fourth wheel" in that he wasn't reallys suppossed to come along, but did so for Team Asuma's/Tsunade sake. The argument about Kiba's sense of smell: if you recall the ability for a shinobi to have a great sense of smell hasn't been introduced yet. So maybe they didn't think about giving said ability to Kakashi at that point. The Rock Lee/Sasuke argument: we have seen Kakashi do several of Lee's advanced tai jutsu. So the opinion that Kakashi tai jutsu is not strong is a stretch. I admit me may or may not be just as fast as Lee, but we may never know because he has yet been in the position that he had to depend on his speed like Lee. As for teaching Sasuke Lee's moves. Maybe Kakashi was trying to get Sasuke to use the full ability of his current (at the time) sharringan? When Sasuke battled Lee before the Chunin exam while using the sharringan, so that information should have been stored in his memory. All this being said Sloth I do agree with you that Naruto was exagerating, but Kakashi is pretty good.

[uchiha_itachi]

The new episode of Naruto is out and it is subbed

im downloading it as we speak, it any good?

[Lucy in the sky]

I'm looking for an in universe explanation. If he was smarter than Shikamaru he would never went along with Shika's plan to battle Kakuzu or Hidan. If his sense of smell was a good as Kiba's he wouldn't be letting Kiba lead the front in the search for Sasuke currently.Nor would he need he have had trouble detecting Zabuza when he hid in thick fog of mist. If his taijutsu was as better than Lee's he would have demonstrated it to Sasuke himself. Instead he told Sasuke to envision Lee's movements during the training to gain Lee's taijutsu.
Naruto was speaking in hyperbole.

I've read to the next page and know the arguing is supposed to stop. I think he just used the dogs to hold down Zabuza so he could perform the Raikiri. For copying Lee's movements I think they had to mention Lee again. If Kakashi has beaten Guy in all of those contests even if some are rock, paper, scissors, matches I'm sure he could beat Lee in hand-to-hand. He can perform hardcore ninjutsus unlike Lee so he doesn't go around punching people and instead stabs them in the chest with lightning.

[dr venture]

im downloading it as we speak, it any good?

its a lot better than previous episodes mainly because there is actual fighting involved but its still a little drawn out

[uchiha_itachi]

yeha i just watched it now. not bad though, wasn't too much talking.

[The observer]

maybe lees was better for a begginer?

[uchiha_itachi]

the reason kakashi got sasuke to copy lee's taijutsu was to show him how to do it using his sharingan, pure and simple.

[The observer]

that makes sense

[uchiha_itachi]

I think everyones just over complicated it to be hounest.

[The observer]

QUESTION. i dont get it if madara was obito why does pein takes order from him? Wouldnt pein be stronger than him cuz he has the rennegan and they said that rennegan is the strongest of all eye technique so that means that its stronger than sharingan.....right?


ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... but where talking about the sharingan here, the eye of limitless powers, each more pointless than the last.......and by far kishis favorite bloodline. No matter what, it will always come out on top.

and i hate that:cmad:

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

About how far in advance does the writer/artist plot the series? Like, while he was working on the early material dealing with Mizuki and the Trio trying to get the bell from Kakashi, did he have the plotlines for, say, Orochimaru, Jiraiya, and Tsunade down and ready to go?

[The observer]

probably

[najnaimik23]

when does the new naruto manga comes out?

[zhulok]

I love this show and i cant wait to see the fight between Naruto and Sasuke on Cartoon Network.

[dr venture]

when does the new naruto manga comes out?

Next week

[Sloth7d]

the reason kakashi got sasuke to copy lee's taijutsu was to show him how to do it using his sharingan, pure and simple.

He could have used sharingan to copy Kakashi's movements too.

[Sloth7d]

So you're telling me that in that same line of logic, Minato couldn't have devised a better plan to destroy that bridge during the Ninja Wars? I don't buy it. You send them out and let them develop or fail on their own, babysitting shinobi makes no sense. They'd never learn if they didn't make mistakes in the first place. Shikimaru's plan may have been sound and well thought out but any holes in it could be corrected if need be if they posed a danger to the group by Kakashi.

I could invest more time and energy in disputing your disputes to my original points but it's clear to me that we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

Personally, I think he's fallen far below his potential and why he's going to be a major focal point for the coming year according to Kishi. He's getting this spotlight because he needs it. Desperately.

This is clearly different. Kakashi had become a jonin by the time the bridge mission was assigned and was fully authorized to carry it out. Shikamaru, on the other hand, was chasing after Class S rogue ninja, which is completely out of his chunnin rank as far as missions go. Originally, they weren't even supposed to go, but Kakashi tagged along tohelp them anyway.
It's also not like Kakashi wouldn't have stopped them if he had a better plan. Kakashi originally kept Naruto and Sasuke from fighting Zabuza, however they ended up doing so anyway because of the situation. There's a difference between letting them grow with wisdom and sending them to their deaths. If Shikamaru didn't have a better plan than Kakashi, he would have stopped them as he did originally with Naruto and Sasuke.

After all not only had Shikamaru thought about it longer than Kakashi did; Kakashi was also kind of a "fourth wheel" in that he wasn't reallys suppossed to come along, but did so for Team Asuma's/Tsunade sake.

Actually Kakashi commended Shikamaru on so quickly changing his plan to include Kakashi at the last second.

The argument about Kiba's sense of smell: if you recall the ability for a shinobi to have a great sense of smell hasn't been introduced yet. So maybe they didn't think about giving said ability to Kakashi at that point.

That could be true, but I was looking for in-universe explanations. So if that was the case, I could agree with it, but for the most part I would need Kishimoto himself to say it too.


I've read to the next page and know the arguing is supposed to stop. I think he just used the dogs to hold down Zabuza so he could perform the Raikiri. For copying Lee's movements I think they had to mention Lee again. If Kakashi has beaten Guy in all of those contests even if some are rock, paper, scissors, matches I'm sure he could beat Lee in hand-to-hand. He can perform hardcore ninjutsus unlike Lee so he doesn't go around punching people and instead stabs them in the chest with lightning.

If Kakashi's sense of smell was as good as Kiba's, Zabuza would have never snuck up on him all those times whiole hiding in the mist.

Then I just remembered this page from the manga--

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-364/page013.html

So, even if the other points are still up for debate after this post, it was blatantly said without a doubt that Kiba's sense of smell is better than Kakashi's ninja hounds. Hounds Kakashi used several times to track someone elses scent because he couldn't. So, Naruto was out right wrong about this one.

[uchiha_itachi]

He could have used sharingan to copy Kakashi's movements too.

but it was better for him to copy lee's because there were his moves, and it would of been easier to copy kakashi's cos he was right there. with lee, it was unexpected and therefore a better traing method.


seriously....you guys are waaay over complicating it.

[The observer]

He could have used sharingan to copy Kakashi's movements too.
kakashis probably would have been too much for his body. with the sharingan, you can do it, but you dont have the traing to

[Sloth7d]

but it was better for him to copy lee's because there were his moves, and it would of been easier to copy kakashi's cos he was right there. with lee, it was unexpected and therefore a better traing method.


seriously....you guys are waaay over complicating it.

How was it a better training method if he copied an inferior taijutsu? Kakashi said himself the entire point of the training was to get his taijutsu at it's best, especially since he already knows he can use the sharingan through memory. Remember when he first used the Lion's Barrage? But Kakashi said the training was specifically to increase his taijutsu so he could perform the chidori.
More proof is that Kakashi didn't ask Sasuke to think back to Kakashi's fight with Zabuza. If it was really about improving his sharingan abilities, why not think back to that fight? He could have improved his sharingan and gained better taijutsu. However, Kakashi didn't want him to do that because Lee's taijutsu is better.

[uchiha_itachi]

seriously...your over complicating it so much.

what episode is it were this comes up? i wanna re watch it, before i do a propper reply.

[The observer]

How was it a better training method if he copied an inferior taijutsu? Kakashi said himself the entire point of the training was to get his taijutsu at it's best, especially since he already knows he can use the sharingan through memory. Remember when he first used the Lion's Barrage? But Kakashi said the training was specifically to increase his taijutsu so he could perform the chidori.
More proof is that Kakashi didn't ask Sasuke to think back to Kakashi's fight with Zabuza. If it was really about improving his sharingan abilities, why not think back to that fight? He could have improved his sharingan and gained better taijutsu. However, Kakashi didn't want him to do that because Lee's taijutsu is better.
did you read my post?

[uchiha_itachi]

i dont really get what kakashi's method training sasuke is proving. i only replied to the why he copied lee's taijutsu and not kakashis bit cos it seemed people were thinkng about it to much.

ill offer a better opinion to it once ive re watched the episode though.

[Sloth7d]

seriously...your over complicating it so much.

what episode is it were this comes up? i wanna re watch it, before i do a propper reply.

I'm not over complicating it. I'm actually trying to explain what was brought up before. Kakashi's abilities and Naruto's statement. Clearly Naruto was exagerating when he mentioned those things about Kakashi. Thusly, Lee's taijutsu is superior to Kakashi's.

As for the episodes. I only read the manga, so I can only give you the manga chapters.

The reasons for the training--

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-112/page007.html
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-112/page008.html

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-113/page007.html
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-113/page008.html
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-113/page009.html

As you see the training was so that Sasuke can become as good as taijutsu as Lee. However, if Kakashi's taijutsu was better the point would have been for his taijutsu to be as good as Kakashi's.

did you read my post?

I doubt Kakashi's speed would be too much for him. If he was faster it would put more of a strain on his body, however, if Lee can take being at gate speed levels I definitely think Sasuke can take moving at Kakashi's speeds. That is, if he is faster.

[uchiha_itachi]

^ i see what your saying. i think the reason he used lee's moves instead of using kakashi's was because he already copied lee in battle.

and maybe it was somthing to do with the level they were both at. he may of got him using the moves lee has becuase there of a similar level, thus maximizing its effectiveness?

i really dont think lee's taijutsu is better than kakashi's.

[uchiha_itachi]

just had a thought. it could be because lee used his taijutsu skills in battle when sasuke copied it,
but during kakashi's battle with zabuza, kakashi didnt use alot of his taijutsu.
so he got him to use lee's, because lee was fighting his all in that battle. so that would maximize sasuke's speed more than what he witnessed from kakashi fighting.

if that makes sense?

[Sloth7d]

Nevermind, I'll drop this.
I think I've proven my initial, however, point that Naruto was exagerating when he mentioned some of Kakashi's abilities just from the scans of Kiba showing his superior nose skills and Kakashi following Shika's plan.

[TheVileOne]

Just FYI, the next manga volume of Naruto to be released at the beginning of the Shippuden anime.

Chances are we won't see the Shippuden anime in the US start until sometime in 2009.

Also, I think the Naruto manga has better sales than most American mainstream comic books.

So I hope all these kids that can't take Spider-man being married start reading more Spider-man again.

[Sloth7d]

Just FYI, the next manga volume of Naruto to be released at the beginning of the Shippuden anime.

Chances are we won't see the Shippuden anime in the US start until sometime in 2009.

Also, I think the Naruto manga has better sales than most American mainstream comic books.

So I hope all these kids that can't take Spider-man being married start reading more Spider-man again.

It wouldn't be so bad if he didn't make a deal with the devil and continuity wasn't in such a cluster. Sorry, I just can't go back to reading about a Spider-man who deals with the devil and has no set history to follow.

Other than that, from what I heard, back when Naruto Vol. 19 came out they sold around 1.6 million copies in the U.S. That means almost 1million copies per volume were sold. Somewhere Kishimoto is swimming in a room full of cash wearing a ninja head band.:hehe:

[Kasanova522]

Yeah, I was kinda wondering the same thing about that statement. He was unpredictable and therefore landed a blow but Kimimaro sobered him up quick with barely breaking a sweat.

In any case, I enjoyed:

Neji vs Kidoumaru

Lee vs Gaara

Sasori vs Granny and Sakura

Kakashi vs Zabuza

Itachi vs Sasuke (So Far and despite the fact I don't much enjoy the Uchiha clan.)
I have to agree sakura & granny vs sasori was soooooooooooooo GOOD we finally got to see sakura let loose and show us what she learned from tsanade. i just hope they dont make her go back to her old ways. this fight so kicked @SS

[The observer]

It wouldn't be so bad if he didn't make a deal with the devil and continuity wasn't in such a cluster. Sorry, I just can't go back to reading about a Spider-man who deals with the devil and has no set history to follow.

Other than that, from what I heard, back when Naruto Vol. 19 came out they sold around 1.6 million copies in the U.S. That means almost 1million copies per volume were sold. Somewhere Kishimoto is swimming in a room full of cash wearing a ninja head band.:hehe:

:woot:

[Sloth7d]

Ew, I did that wrong. I meant 100,000 copies per volume. Man, I was out of it earlier.

[The observer]

we forgive you, because of your nice avvy

Faced!

[Sloth7d]

Thanks:grin:

[ssj wolverine]

I have to agree sakura & granny vs sasori was soooooooooooooo GOOD we finally got to see sakura let loose and show us what she learned from tsanade. i just hope they dont make her go back to her old ways. this fight so kicked @SS

That was an awesome fight. It just highlighted how incredible Sakura has become through those years and how pathetic Naruto has been up to that point. I am waiting to see what he learned from Jiraya. I haven't read the manga so maybe he actually showed some growth.

[The observer]

he did

[Colossal Spoons]

That was an awesome fight. It just highlighted how incredible Sakura has become through those years and how pathetic Naruto has been up to that point. I am waiting to see what he learned from Jiraya. I haven't read the manga so maybe he actually showed some growth.

Last I checked, Naruto has another jutsu he hasn't used yet. Always been one of my problems with Naruto, he always has some super secret technique that some body tought him but he can't use it b/c it gives him a stroke. :rolleyes:

[November Rain]

anyone willing to tell me what the results of the four tailed naruto fight is with spoilers, it looks epic...

:o

[Genesis 1.0]

I have to agree sakura & granny vs sasori was soooooooooooooo GOOD we finally got to see sakura let loose and show us what she learned from tsanade. i just hope they dont make her go back to her old ways. this fight so kicked @SS

Yeah, it's a prime reason why I picked it. Personally, it was the biggest leap in growth I've seen in a charecter for the series to that point. If you look at it, most of everyone else remained in the same vein they already were but Sakura went from permanent burden and constant weak link to an actual contender.

Fighting Sasori, who happens to be kickass, helped as well.

[The observer]

well, sakura couldnt go anywhere but up. she was terrible in part one she was still good

[Sloth7d]

Has anyone seen this?

YFeH7SY0fH8

[Neptune]

Meh. i'n not a fan of those amv's. When will the next Shippuden episode be online?

[FadingCB]

Nevermind, I'll drop this.
I think I've proven my initial, however, point that Naruto was exagerating when he mentioned some of Kakashi's abilities just from the scans of Kiba showing his superior nose skills and Kakashi following Shika's plan.

Was reading this conversation and don't want to carry it on since you guys stopped and I do see your point. However I did want to add one point, Kakashi also used his Sharingan to look at Lee's tai too didn't he? Chances are it was just easier as Sasuke had already copied Lee's Tai, and Kakashi had probably copied Guy's tai or Lee's or both along the way. Just makes training go smoother if you just have a short amount of time like a week to polish on a strong taijitsu you already know rather than Kakashi try to teach Sasuke's his own tai from scratch. I don't think it speaks to either being superior or inferior, just that it was the fastest and most efficient way to teach Sasuke high speed Tai.

[The observer]

good point, but lets please drop this. no offense to you, fading

[Genesis 1.0]

well, sakura couldnt go anywhere but up. she was terrible in part one she was still good

Say that again, it didn't make any sense.

[Colossal Spoons]

Man, this manga is taking forever

[Iron Fist]

Agreed.

[The observer]

Say that again, it didn't make any sense.

sorry, what i meant was she was bad in part 1, but improved aver the timeskip

[Genesis 1.0]

Ah. Well she could have gotten worse or equally as bad, she could have gotten no development at all.

[The observer]

that wouldve been a huge waste of pontential. isee youre point though

[Genesis 1.0]

An enormous waste of potential. She's got the potential in chakra control, medical jutsu, AND genjutsu to surpass Tsunade which is evident and stated by Kakashi.

But I'm sure Sloth will pop out of the core of the Earth, dripping Hellfire to dispute this too.

[The observer]

agreed its what he does best

[Sloth7d]

Ah, guys, you know me too well. :3
But no. All evidence points to Kakashi being justified in that statement. Sakura, Naruto, and Sasuke are all being set up to surpass the Sanin soon. Though, It looks like Sasuke already surpassed Orochimaru. I mean, if he can fight Itachi one on one.

[najnaimik23]

Ah, guys, you know me too well. :3
But no. All evidence points to Kakashi being justified in that statement. Sakura, Naruto, and Sasuke are all being set up to surpass the Sanin soon. Though, It looks like Sasuke already surpassed Orochimaru. I mean, if he can fight Itachi one on one.

i like everything about them surpassing the sannin except for the part that their only 15 or 16 years old. I think thats to young. whenever they reach 30 they're probably 3 times stronger than the sannin.

[Sloth7d]

i like everything about them surpassing the sannin except for the part that their only 15 or 16 years old. I think thats to young. whenever they reach 30 they're probably 3 times stronger than the sannin.

Well, I don't two of them have big advantages that helped them get where they are. Kyubi, Sharingan, absorbing Oro's abilities and curse seal. Not to mention training under the sanin themselves. So, I wouldn't be surprised if that happened. Especially since Naruto would be unstoppable if he used his bunshins to the fullest extent.
As long as he has one ready, it can break sharingan genjutsu like he said to Itachi. If Kishimoto wanted him to be broken, he'd just have all bunshins use the rasenshuriken, so he, himself, wouldn't suffer the recoil damage. Then, as we saw during the dopple ganger training, he can have each bunshin individually transorm into the tailed kyubi states. Imagine 1000 four tails attacking one opponent. And he can still summon toads if need be. However, Kishimoto won't write him using his abilities this brokenly, because nobody would be a challenge to him.

[ssj wolverine]

Ah, guys, you know me too well. :3
But no. All evidence points to Kakashi being justified in that statement. Sakura, Naruto, and Sasuke are all being set up to surpass the Sanin soon. Though, It looks like Sasuke already surpassed Orochimaru. I mean, if he can fight Itachi one on one.

Going toe to toe against Itachi is one thing but beating Orochimaru is another. No disrespect to Itachi's abilities.

[uchiha_itachi]

Whats your avvy from Sloth7d?

[Neptune]

Going toe to toe against Itachi is one thing but beating Orochimaru is another. No disrespect to Itachi's abilities.

Uhm...Itachi is stronger than Orochimaru. Orochimaru said so himself.

[The observer]

itachi pwnd oro. i personally think hes underated

[mfbtl]

Nice Sloth avy Sloth ... that sounds weird when I read it back to myself. Anywho, I don't know about Itachi being underrated. He recieved a ton of hype before Shippuden. I still think they are trying to show that he is powerful while not taking away from the main characters. I mean remember the series is called Sasuke. lol

[The observer]

but he killed the entire uchiha clan. he deserves tons of respect, definately more than sasuke.

[mystic gohan]

Certainly does, i mean this guy from started off way move advanced than sasuke and i mean by far, wasnt he like chunin at 8 or something? he was an anbu at a young age too, sasuke just sucked, no way he improved that much

[Genesis 1.0]

Well, I don't two of them have big advantages that helped them get where they are. Kyubi, Sharingan, absorbing Oro's abilities and curse seal. Not to mention training under the sanin themselves. So, I wouldn't be surprised if that happened. Especially since Naruto would be unstoppable if he used his bunshins to the fullest extent.
As long as he has one ready, it can break sharingan genjutsu like he said to Itachi. If Kishimoto wanted him to be broken, he'd just have all bunshins use the rasenshuriken, so he, himself, wouldn't suffer the recoil damage. Then, as we saw during the dopple ganger training, he can have each bunshin individually transorm into the tailed kyubi states. Imagine 1000 four tails attacking one opponent. And he can still summon toads if need be. However, Kishimoto won't write him using his abilities this brokenly, because nobody would be a challenge to him.

I made that same case on another forum and the counter-argument was that he could not maintain such strain as seen with the Rasenshuriken AND the 4 Tailed State in any large number of clones. Personally I don't buy it but for once in a LONG while we agree on something aside from the Ravens.

As to SSJ's comment.....no. Just, no.

[The observer]

yeah ssj. youre just....wrong.

[oakzap425]

Going toe to toe against Itachi is one thing but beating Orochimaru is another. No disrespect to Itachi's abilities.

Have you been reading the manga at all?

Orochimaru originally wanted Itachi for the body switch. Itachi pwnd Orochimaru. Orochimaru decided to ge the next best thing, Sasuke.

Sasuke defeated Orochimaru, while he was in bed. He was weak from not only needing a new body to inhabit (the one he was in was giving out, which is why Oro wanted to rush the Sasuke switch). Not saying that Oro wouldn't have been defeated, but considering the battle with KN4 Naruto, and now a weakened body, of course Sasuke dominated Oro.

Sasuke really has no chance against Itachi. Itachi is stronger than Orochimaru, and Itachi is stronger than Sasuke.

You might want to go back and read some crucial dailogue with in the manga, again.


I shall go back to my exile of this thread.

[YoungE808]

Yes but whether Orochimaru can beat Sasuke at full power is unknown since we've never seen Orochimaru fight completely except against Sarutobi and it's been such a long time since then. As you all saw, when Orochimaru goes for the plan every single thing is planned. He had the set up to bring forth the 1st and 2nd Hokage as perfect as it could be along with the jumping the whole chuunin exam and what not.

Also everyone says Itachi pwned the hell out of Orochimaru. Yes he trapped him in a genjutsu and Oro said himself that Itachi is too strong for him. Then again...back then Orochimaru wanted Itachi as his container so of course he wouldn't dare try to kill him.

[mfbtl]

I think Orochimaru fought harder against Naruto than the Third.

[Sloth7d]

Whats your avvy from Sloth7d?

Nice Sloth avy Sloth ... that sounds weird when I read it back to myself. Anywho, I don't know about Itachi being underrated. He recieved a ton of hype before Shippuden. I still think they are trying to show that he is powerful while not taking away from the main characters. I mean remember the series is called Sasuke. lol


Full Metal Alchemist. It's the Sloth humunculous.

I made that same case on another forum and the counter-argument was that he could not maintain such strain as seen with the Rasenshuriken AND the 4 Tailed State in any large number of clones. Personally I don't buy it but for once in a LONG while we agree on something aside from the Ravens.

As to SSJ's comment.....no. Just, no.

I agree with you on that. Naruto used rasenshuriken with a group of clones already, even though Kakakuzu took them out, but his bunshins still activated it. As for kyubi, I can't remember fully, but I remember Yamato needing to suppress a bunshin during Naruto's training because it was going one tailed. I doubt Yamato would have seen it necessary to suppress a bunshin if it would just disperse from strain of the kyubi's power.

But come on dude, the best thing about Naruto is most of the characters abilities or other matters are up for debate. The power listing isn't as cut and dry like something from say, DBZ and other shounens. That's one of the reason why I like it, and how it stimulates internet discussion.:yay:
But dude, you can't deny that I didn't have some points in my earlier argument. There are two things that directly contradict each other there.
This (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-246/page012.html)

vs

This (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-335/page008.html)
and
This (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-364/page013.html)

I choose to say Naruto was exagerating, and you say Kakashi was holding back so they can improve. It's all in how you interprit it, which is what I like about Naruto. :yay:

[YoungE808]

I think Orochimaru fought harder against Naruto than the Third.

Well he was in a deteriorating body fighting a Kyuubi Powered Naruto with 4 tails who he did not expect seeing or fighting while against Sarutobi he was in great condition with all sorts of crazy plans in his mind.

[Sloth7d]

Thing is, Orochimaru barely faught the Third himself.The Hokages did. So, it looks like he put more effort into the fight with Naruto (which even though detereorating he actually did).

[skaar23]

how come the new manga hasnt come out yet????

[KalKai]

Only a matter of hours now, several spoiler images are already out, with the entire translated script.

[ssj wolverine]

Have you been reading the manga at all?

Orochimaru originally wanted Itachi for the body switch. Itachi pwnd Orochimaru. Orochimaru decided to ge the next best thing, Sasuke.

Sasuke defeated Orochimaru, while he was in bed. He was weak from not only needing a new body to inhabit (the one he was in was giving out, which is why Oro wanted to rush the Sasuke switch). Not saying that Oro wouldn't have been defeated, but considering the battle with KN4 Naruto, and now a weakened body, of course Sasuke dominated Oro.

Sasuke really has no chance against Itachi. Itachi is stronger than Orochimaru, and Itachi is stronger than Sasuke.

You might want to go back and read some crucial dailogue with in the manga, again.


I shall go back to my exile of this thread.

I stand corrected.

[KalKai]

You might want to follow your own advice oakzap425.

Sasuke didn't defeat Oro while he was in bed, he defeated Oro in his OWN dimension.

Sasuke's eyes have greater potential than Itachi's, and will surpass Itachi's (if they haven't already), Madara states this.

The last chapter will help you shed some light on the whole situation. ;)

[Neptune]

WHOA! WHOA! WHOA! Spoiler alert!

[mfbtl]

I believe oakzap425 was speaking metaphorically. (i.e. "He was on his death bed."). I believe oakzap425 ment that Orochimaru wasn't %100.

[Genesis 1.0]

Full Metal Alchemist. It's the Sloth humunculous.



I agree with you on that. Naruto used rasenshuriken with a group of clones already, even though Kakakuzu took them out, but his bunshins still activated it. As for kyubi, I can't remember fully, but I remember Yamato needing to suppress a bunshin during Naruto's training because it was going one tailed. I doubt Yamato would have seen it necessary to suppress a bunshin if it would just disperse from strain of the kyubi's power.

But come on dude, the best thing about Naruto is most of the characters abilities or other matters are up for debate. The power listing isn't as cut and dry like something from say, DBZ and other shounens. That's one of the reason why I like it, and how it stimulates internet discussion.:yay:
But dude, you can't deny that I didn't have some points in my earlier argument. There are two things that directly contradict each other there.
This (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-246/page012.html)

vs

This (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-335/page008.html)
and
This (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-364/page013.html)

I choose to say Naruto was exagerating, and you say Kakashi was holding back so they can improve. It's all in how you interprit it, which is what I like about Naruto. :yay:

Oh yeah, most definitely, I enjoy the discussion as much as you do. I've just been ribbing you for your seemingly overly combative nature on this particular issue. Interpertation is everything on most quotes versus actual sequences, especially since situations and characters change rapidly. What's true a few issues ago wouldn't stand up to muster at current date.

Ravens Fans United.:o

[The observer]

You might want to follow your own advice oakzap425.

Sasuke didn't defeat Oro while he was in bed, he defeated Oro in his OWN dimension.

Sasuke's eyes have greater potential than Itachi's, and will surpass Itachi's (if they haven't already), Madara states this.

The last chapter will help you shed some light on the whole situation. ;)
I repeat: Itachi killed the entire uchiha clan. He is not one to be taken lightly. he will pwn sasuske, only to be killed by a rasengan to the back :woot:

[Prolific]

I repeat: Itachi killed the entire uchiha clan. He is not one to be taken lightly. he will pwn sasuske, only to be killed by a rasengan to the back :woot:
actually Itachi didnt kill his whole clan by himself he was helped by Madara

[Sloth7d]

Oh yeah, most definitely, I enjoy the discussion as much as you do. I've just been ribbing you for your seemingly overly combative nature on this particular issue. Interpertation is everything on most quotes versus actual sequences, especially since situations and characters change rapidly. What's true a few issues ago wouldn't stand up to muster at current date.

Ravens Fans United.:o

My bad. I'm always overly competetive in things. I just get like that sometimes.

But indeed, Ravens Fans United. :up:

[najnaimik23]

actually Itachi didnt kill his whole clan by himself he was helped by Madara

how sure are you that he was helped by him???

[oakzap425]

Okay, that's it. I'm am done with the Manga. This Uchiha crap is fail! :down :cmad:

[X-Ray]

how sure are you that he was helped by him???

In the newest chapter ...

Itachi calls Madara his accomplice & teacher.

[KalKai]

I repeat: Itachi killed the entire uchiha clan. He is not one to be taken lightly. he will pwn sasuske, only to be killed by a rasengan to the back :woot:

Hah, you obviously haven't read the last chapter. This is what happens when you assume **** having only 1 piece of the puzzle. :D

Sasuke > Itachi.

[Sloth7d]

actually Itachi didnt kill his whole clan by himself he was helped by Madara

You probably should have put all of that in spoilers, since the simple fact that he didn't do it alone is a big revalation in itself.

On another note, this was the most awesome chapter yet.

That entire thing was just a battle of minds?! Nice. And did you guys see the way Sasuke dared Itachi to activate Magenkyo? Is it possible Sasuke, too, has reached MS? Dammit, 7 days is too long to wait for the next one.

[Lucy in the sky]

Okay, that's it. I'm am done with the Manga. This Uchiha crap is fail! :down :cmad:

This is a major turn of events, but I've grown fond of the sharingan. This is too much though, I give it time for an epic fail.

[skaar23]

anyone else here like the new manga?

[skaar23]

so can anyone explain to me how the first hokage beat madara???

[Sloth7d]

so can anyone explain to me how the first hokage beat madara???

We don't know. It's possible Madara wasn't as powerful as he is now back then. It's also possible that the first was just that good, since we haven't seen everything he can do.

[The observer]

Hah, you obviously haven't read the last chapter. This is what happens when you assume **** having only 1 piece of the puzzle. :D

Sasuke > Itachi.



I just read the new chapter. I still think Itachi>sasuske. Anyway, Itachi killed maybe half the uchiha clan without a scratch on him. he was taught by madara. either youre underestimating itachi, or overestimating sasuske

[The observer]

We don't know. It's possible Madara wasn't as powerful as he is now back then. It's also possible that the first was just that good, since we haven't seen everything he can do.


besides Mokuton, the coolest bloodline ever. Oh, and
The sharingan has yet another power! Yay for predictability!:woot:

[Genesis 1.0]

Okay, that's it. I'm am done with the Manga. This Uchiha crap is fail! :down :cmad:

I'm not done with it but it's getting nauseating nonetheless. He must want to match it Bleach Lite or something with all this crap.

Can't believe I waited this long for THAT.

[Genesis 1.0]

Another thing,

The various speculation on Madara summoning the Fox has obviously been true but why call the Nine Tails forth and then allow it to be sealed and all without any retribution? What's the purpose?

[Twin2]

Another thing,

The various speculation on Madara summoning the Fox has obviously been true but why call the Nine Tails forth and then allow it to be sealed and all without any retribution? What's the purpose?

He could have used it simply to get rid of the hokage, while still being able to control it in a sealed state. He basically gets a sealed evil in a can, while getting rid of a powerful opponent.