Naruto

[mfbtl]

why does everyone think sasuke intends to harm the elders?[/B]



After Madara finished telling Sasuke the "Fall of the Uchiha" story Sasuke found out it was one of the few things the elders, Danzou, and the Third agreed upon. There is no guarantee that Sasuke will do this, but we are going to have to see what Danzou can do besides murdering frogs.

[Marvin]

Just read this weeks manga, both Shippuuden and Bleach felt short this week. Looks like the spoilers you feared were right. The first half of this week's manga was awesome, the second half not so much. I think everyone here guessed Danzou would try to pull a power grab and become Hokage...I just didn't think Konoha was so easily swayed. I mean that dialogue...

"I say Kakashi"

"Kakashi? Yeah, he's awesome, trained by the 3rd, he's powerful, he trained the guy who just saved all our asses!!! Woot Kakashi!!!!".

"Danzou - I should be the leader. I'll enforce laws. Vote Danzou despite me having done nothing worthy of notice, let along Hokage worthy. Make me Hokage despite the current Hokage being alive, and me setting out the fight that destroyed our home!".

"Konoha - Ok, Danzou's Hokage!"

I mean WTF....I expected a coup d'etat, Danzou's secret ninja's going wild, cats and dogs having sex, Orochimaru not showing interest in young boys, ya know, chaos. Not a weak speech.

it was well written imo (typical Kishi)

first it was mentioned that kakashi was trained by such and such and that guy was such and such's pupil and the council was praising how connected everyone was...

then Danzou showed the flaw in that group of people's way of doing things
and he had a good point

not only did the thirds lenient way of thinking create the problem with Orochimaro
but Jiriaya's way of thinking created Pain

that group of ppl however powerful
kinda suck for the village

that being said, Danzou's not innocent in all of this

[uchiha_itachi]

Im pretty convined that Danzou is Tobi/Madara now..

I hope when Tobi's Identity is revealed its fully explained. Especially why he acted like a kid at first.

[Fading]

Im pretty convined that Danzou is Tobi/Madara now..

I hope when Tobi's Identity is revealed its fully explained. Especially why he acted like a kid at first.

There's also the problem with Danzou having grown up in Konoha and being the 3rd's rival. That's the main reason I still say if rather than talk like it's already proven. We know from others statements that Danzou was the 3rd's rival, and it pretty much confirms the village watched him grown up. So Danzou is a solid, living person. Madara also existed before as well and would have been an adult before Danzou would have been born. So at some point adult Madara takes over Danzou's body if that's how it went down.


Plus, if you stick Obito in this (which is still a possibility, you have to toss in that Obito was a kid when that happened to him. Meaning that Madara would have to have taken the body when it was a child, or kept the body alive until it was an adult and better healed.

[YoungE808]

Can't have Madara got everyone to believe he was Danzou by using his sharingan or henge?

[scatterax]

wait? am i missing something here? why does everybody sudenly think danzou and madara are somehow the same person????

I mean i can see danzou and madara making some kinda deal similer to the what danzou did in pain's flash backs. and i can see him as madara's spy like how sisorai (spelling) made had spy in the sand village.

but is there any logical evidence that points to madara and danzou being the same guy, or is that just a crazy theory at this point?

[uchiha_itachi]

It was just the way that in this chapter Tobi goes I have somthing to attend to...then Danzou is in his meeting becoming Hokage. plus the character design that has lead people to belive they are the same person. The hair, the Sharigan eye being covered by bandage. stuff like that.

Loose evidence i guess...but still some what logical.

[scatterax]

It was just the way that in this chapter Tobi goes I have somthing to attend to...then Danzou is in his meeting becoming Hokage. plus the character design that has lead people to belive they are the same person. The hair, the Sharigan eye being covered by bandage. stuff like that.

Loose evidence i guess...but still some what logical.

but isn't danzou missing an arm? and isn't he a lil bulkier?

idk, i guess it's not as far fetched as i thought, but i hope they're not the same guy.

[oakzap425]

Did you miss the issue where he met the 4th hokage in his mind when the ninetails was going to be realesed?

...Oh yeah... that chapter. So much crap happens now I can't keep up anymore.

I still don't know what the **** the rinnegan does. :huh:

[uchiha_itachi]

but isn't danzou missing an arm? and isn't he a lil bulkier?

idk, i guess it's not as far fetched as i thought, but i hope they're not the same guy.

His arm is the bandaged up. but remember under Tobi's cloak he has all those nails going into to him or somthing.

[uchiha_itachi]

...Oh yeah... that chapter. So much crap happens now I can't keep up anymore.

I still don't know what the **** the rinnegan does. :huh:

Yeah i dont either. tbh the way its been shown the Sharingan seems more powerful to me even though i know its not.

[Marvin]

nothing is more powerful then having the rinnegan
even if you were granted access to only 3 of the paths...even two
(the guy could destroy every village within a week)

to be honest the Danzou/Madara connection seems like another trick from kishi
he adds visual clues to get ppl thinking
i mean the fact the Tobi and Obito have similar names..it's it's just crazy

the kage summit meeting is around the corner, I guess well see if Danzou will show up at the same time as Madara(not that this is a world free of shadow clones) or the leader of akatski will actually show up

but keep your eyes open

I personally have the feeling that danzo is madara's fabled brother
long shot yes

lastly

I like that the village is all about thanking naruto for the save, but it should be noted that the only reason pain came in the first place was because of him(not his fault) but it was because of him none the less

[uchiha_itachi]

So what does the rinnegan do then?? lol

[Marvin]

everything you seen pain do
minus walking on water

[uchiha_itachi]

well yeh...but whats that? lool

[mfbtl]

nothing is more powerful then having the rinnegan
even if you were granted access to only 3 of the paths...even two
(the guy could destroy every village within a week)

to be honest the Danzou/Madara connection seems like another trick from kishi
he adds visual clues to get ppl thinking
i mean the fact the Tobi and Obito have similar names..it's it's just crazy

the kage summit meeting is around the corner, I guess well see if Danzou will show up at the same time as Madara(not that this is a world free of shadow clones) or the leader of akatski will actually show up

but keep your eyes open

I personally have the feeling that danzo is madara's fabled brother
long shot yes

lastly

I like that the village is all about thanking naruto for the save, but it should be noted that the only reason pain came in the first place was because of him(not his fault) but it was because of him none the less

Didn't Madara take both of his brother's eyes?

[Marvin]

Didn't Madara take both of his brother's eyes?

it's possible, but then again I'm not sure how much of madara's "story" I would believe

lets just say, Tobidara only seems to have one working eye
:cwink:

[Marvin]

well yeh...but whats that? lool

plenty
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Rinnegan

and in Nagato's case being the 7th, and controller of death
he found a way to infuse previous paths into host bodies and control them with...his eyes

dun dun dun

[mfbtl]

Hey Oakzap your boy had a line this past issue.

[Fading]

A nice enough issue. No real action, but that's expected after a long fight. I mainly liked it because it felt like completing the circle so to speak. We got to see the two from Naruto and co.'s first mission, Naruto had some good dialogue about Sasuke and re-established his goal and drive.

I guess I wished a little more would have happened as the only new development was Danzou making a new ruling towards Sasuke. Well that and Sasuke reconfirming he's fully turned into a bitter bastard, and that despite him being angry over his innocent clan being slaughtered that he himself will slaughter innocents to avenge the other innocents.

[scatterax]

i liked those 2 guys from the zabuza story coming back. it was my favorite naruto story.

[X-Ray]

- Nice seeing Genma back. Even though it was just for a second.

- It was nice seeing Inari & Tazuna back as well.

- It seems the letter the cloud team were carrying was a request to hunt down Sasuke. Because the guys who run that air mail service with the birds got the letter requesting for a kage summit. Now that they've been given the okay. I'm guessing this sets up a Hawk vs. Cloud team scenario. Make it happen Kishi. :word:

[Marvin]

I'm not a fan of what Kishi does with character revelations

I mean, after everything that happened during the last chapter, would that not warrant at least a conversation with his trusted sensei about say his dad or saving his life or new stuff he's learnt

I mean I'm all for not slowing down the story but this always happens,

I remember when naruto beat neji and or summoned bunta and saved everyone, the next day it was like, "so what's new?" "ah, nothing, where's susake at?"

doesn't yamato have anything to say to naruto? honestly.

[uchiha_itachi]

Man naruto is getting heavy.

Tobi sent sasuke out on a mission. Raikage wants Sasuke dead. but tobi is the Raikage? and danzou wants him dead also... all the same person??

[mfbtl]

Man naruto is getting heavy.

Tobi sent sasuke out on a mission. Raikage wants Sasuke dead. but tobi is the Raikage? and danzou wants him dead also... all the same person??

Wrong Kage. He was/is (or whatever) Mizukage. More over on the heaviness I wonder what Naruto thinks now that he thinks Sasuke has joined Akatsuki.

[uchiha_itachi]

oh...my bad lol :D

[X-Ray]

The latest chapter was alright.

- The best moment was the minor scuffle between team 7 w/ Sai & the two Cloud-nins. Like their sensei, the two cloud seem to depend heavily on the sword. I like that. In fact, it's about time that the series added more sword fighting. Their ninjas for Christ sake.

- The seal that all ROOTS members have. Should be mandatory for all Knonha nins who go out on A or S rank level missions. Then remove it when they return home.

[Poetic Chaos]

Fiiiiinally the anime is back in canon. I remember a good chunk of this arc was completely Narutoless in the manga; I wonder if they'll do anything about that.

[uchiha_itachi]

Ive been avoiding the anime for now so i can have a massive naruto marathon lol wheres it up to now?

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm kinda looking forward to Danzo's reign. It's be "offensive" to say the least :up:

[Fading]

Fiiiiinally the anime is back in canon. I remember a good chunk of this arc was completely Narutoless in the manga; I wonder if they'll do anything about that.

It's finally back on track? I can finally watch Naruto again lol. I stopped watching about the time they spent 3 or so episodes looking for Shino's bugs.

I really hope they finish Naruto Shippuuden out without fillers now tho. The manga is lightyears ahead of the anime, if the big fights end up doing DBZ like filler mid fights involving talking and overhyping a move for 5 mins to drag a fight out I'm going to be dissapointed. (Only mention that because I'm still disapointed in the Naruto vs. Orochimaru fight that spent more time showing Oro walk than the actual fight taking place)

[Poetic Chaos]

Ive been avoiding the anime for now so i can have a massive naruto marathon lol wheres it up to now?

Sasuke betraying Orochimaru and his huge snake form.

[uchiha_itachi]

****in awesome, time for me to catch up!

[X-Ray]

Fiiiiinally the anime is back in canon. I remember a good chunk of this arc was completely Narutoless in the manga; I wonder if they'll do anything about that.

About ****in' time. I can start watching the anime again.

[mfbtl]

Hell Yeah ...
GAARA!!

[X-Ray]

Hell Yeah ...
GAARA!!

That's what I'm talking about. :word:

- Sakura, Sakura, Sakura ... :facepalm

- Naruto will most likely be getting some lessons from 8 tails on how to use/control the beast within when they meet up.

- I'm guessing Tobi/Madara is a soul without a body ? Crazy yeah. But, he said Nagato was suppose to save/use the revival technique for/on him.

- Killing the 5 kages ? Yeah, good luck with that. But I'd take a Sasuke/Gaara rematch.

- I'm not buying Sasuke not caring about Naruto being stronger than him.

[Sloth7d]

That's what I'm talking about. :word:

- Sakura, Sakura, Sakura ... :facepalm

- Naruto will most likely be getting some lessons from 8 tails on how to use/control the beast within when they meet up.

- I'm guessing Tobi/Madara is a soul without a body ? Crazy yeah. But, he said Nagato was suppose to save/use the revival technique for/on him.

- Killing the 5 kages ? Yeah, good luck with that. But I'd take a Sasuke/Gaara rematch.

- I'm not buying Sasuke not caring about Naruto being stronger than him.



Kakashi said it was space/time jutsu. I think he meant Nagato was supposed to save the rinnengan for him and his bijuu extractions and not a revival. He's shown the ability to be corporeal such as his fight with Team Kakashi and Team Kurenai, as well as blocking Suigetsu's sword strike.
I also heard the killing of the five Hokages was a mistranslation. I've also seen other translations where he declares only to kill the Hokage at the summit.
There's also no reason for Sasuke to care about Naruto at this point. The only reason he even cared before is because he felt like he wasn't getting any stronger(strong enough to kill Itachi) while Naruto was surpassing him despite being a complete failure before. Now that Itachi's dead, and he has faith in his new magenkyo to kill Danzo, how strong Naruto is
in comparison is irrelevant. I'm actually glad he isn't one of those Vegeta/Kaiba-type characters that gets pissed off when everyone, especially the main character, gets stronger than him. Don't get me wrong. I like Kaiba and Vegeta, but it would only be too cliche for Sasuke to fall into their mind set.

[X-Ray]

Damnit! Forgot about the space jutsu ****. Hell, forgot that team Kurenai was there when team Kakashi confronted Tobi. :o

[ssj wolverine]

I am so happy that the douche Sasuke has been told by Tobi that Naruto is beyond him. Does he really want to confront Naruto and get his ass whipped?

[YoungE808]

I'm pretty sure that Naruto would hand Sasuke his ass and then proceed to defeat his entire team. Naruto will probably train with KillerBee but then they may be attacked by Kisame maybe who is going after the 8 Tails.

[Sloth7d]

Someone posted this on gamefaqs

lol (http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j20/haloguy2/Naruto%20Edits/453parody.jpg)

[Fading]

LMAO at the above link....would be even better if it wasn't so true :(....Sasuke...genius my ass. "Oh yeah, I can't even beat Naruto anymore, let alone win a fight without plot in my favor....I'm gonna go take on 5 Hokage's!!!". Sad thing is....he probably takes a few down thanks to plot.

Also agreed with the palmface and "Sakura...sakura...sakura" statement... That girl takes a few steps forward in plot development and then takes 10 back. She grew so much in Shippuuden, was showing interest in Naruto...and then breaks down crying for Sasuke? Didn't he...ya know try and kill Naruto twice? Didn't he join the ppl who just destroyed her home town and kill Jiraiya, and several others, and almost kill Naruto and her master?

I am more convinced now that Danzo is Tobi than I was last week tho. Danzo puts a hit out on Sasuke, then Tobi sends him to a freakin' Hokage summit. Afterwards Tobi roughly states he's not even sure if Sasuke's worth the effort as even if he were to surpass Nagato he might not even be loyal.

[Fading]

On a seperate note from the above, it makes me wonder what Sasuke will do if he finds out Danzo and Madra are one in the same. I'm getting a feeling Sasuke will pluck out Madra's eyes and get his eternal sharingan that way setting Sasuke up as the final bad guy.

Edit - Tho I don't think Sasuke could take Madra alone, or even with his team. Probably some tag teaming with Naruto.

[uchiha_itachi]

You can almost see the end of the manga...Madara is the only major player left in terms of a bad guy. i realy hope after its all done that the manga carries on.

[scatterax]

funny thing is after reading that chapter I'm sure madara and danzo are different people. if he wanted sasuke dead why not kill him than and there instead of sending him to kill him self? sure, you could say that he wants sasuke to kill the kages for him, but madara wants to take a more aggressive role, so if he was really danzo why not just pull a orochi and surprise attack 'em urself?

I think if anything madara will try to make a deal w/ danzo. like he could make a deal that would make danzo think that he would become some kind of emperor kage who would rule all the villages, but than betray him and try to become the leader himself or something.

idk, but i don't that they're the same, but I do think that they're paths will cross. maybe?

@ this point I'm expecting sasuke to kill danzo, and for the 5th to wake up and appoint the 6th herself. so some of my theories contradict each other i guess. haha

[uchiha_itachi]

It may be Kishi trying to throw u off

[scatterax]

or maybe he's thrown everybody else off.

[X-Ray]

I gotta say .....

- The current Mizukage is hot. Of course that's until she shows off more of her teeth. There's nothing hot about shark teeth. :o

- Naruto's scene were corny.

- I'm guessing Danzou gave Orichimaru the okay to do his experiments. Hell, his ROOT may have had captured those used in the experiments. That **** won't go well with the stupid ****s who just nominated his ****ed up ass.

[Fading]

Agreed with the above about Mizukagi being hot :), and probably having a mouth full of freaky shark teeth :(.

I'm starting to get worried tho. I think the Hokage's being introduced are interesting, but only one current Hokage is screaming power, and that's KB's older bro. An old man (who will probably surprise with his power, but still...) who can barely walk, and Gaara sans his beast (who knows how much power he lost). Mizukage is the only one who looks in her prime. Danzo will probably disappear as soon as the fight starts. I'm worried Sasuke might actually kill a few of them off.

I mean it's not like I expect new characters who will probably have very minor roles overall to kill off established characters like Sasuke, but the thought of Sasuke getting a victory over a room full of Hokage's....ugh.


That aside, was kinda disappointed in Naruto. I get he's conflicted, but his answers have become non-answers. He's trying hard to carry Jiraiya's message, but at this point he's not helping anyone.

[mfbtl]

Yeah Naruto's little "goody two shoes" act is going to get old. Maybe if he displayed his power then showed them mercy they would get his point.

[Colossal Spoons]

Lots of new interesting characters introduced in the last 2 weeks :up:

Naruto's so selfless :whatever:

[YoungE808]

Heheh, you should get a load of what was just revealed.

[uchiha_itachi]

holy ****, why isn't it up on one manga yet!!!!!!!

[YoungE808]

Because it's thursday.

[uchiha_itachi]

meh.

[Colossal Spoons]

Hahaha

[uchiha_itachi]

Damn....so i wonder if he actually is tobi/madara then? or its someone else? maybe madaras brother?

[X-Ray]

Damn....so i wonder if he actually is tobi/madara then? or its someone else? maybe madaras brother?

Naw.

- I think he's just a dude who had the eye transplant done like Kakashi. Hell, I think he bit the idea off of Kakashi. Here's my theory on the dude's sharingan. After getting his ass handed to him by the 3rd. This mother****er hears of young Kakashi receiving the sharingan from his dead pal, Obito. So he hires Orichimaru to do this for him in exchange for allowing him to do his sick experiments. This would explain why he wants Anko & Kabuto dead. He fears they know of this.

The big question is, who's eye is it ?

I can see it being Obito's since it has the 3 tomoe. The two eyes are probably still connected on a telepathic level or some **** like that. As Kakashi's eye grew stronger, so did Danzo's. And like Kakashi, he can't turn it off. So he covers it by playing the old fart who got ****ed by the 3rd so badly he wears a bandage on his face all the time.

It could be someone else since there were a lot of volunteers after the massacre. :o Maybe even Sasuke's pops.

I remember reading a theory that Tobi/Madara is Obito's corpse possessed by Madara. Which also had a nice explanation into why he wanted Sasuke's body. Mainly because he had a nice pair of sharingan eyes. If he finds out that this old fart has one with the 3 tomoe. He may aim to take his to give himself a complete set if the plan with Sasuke falls through. This would set up a Sasuke & Naruto team up against him in the series finale.

- There better not be another sharingan. Who's next, Naruto ? Hahah....... wait a minute. Didn't Itachi leave him with something ? :huh:

[mfbtl]

Danzou and Madara could be in it together. I don't know why Madara would give up an eye, but maybe he would just try to get it back later. I don't know this idea seems a little far fetched to me.

[scatterax]

Naw.

- I think he's just a dude who had the eye transplant done like Kakashi. Hell, I think he bit the idea off of Kakashi. Here's my theory on the dude's sharingan. After getting his ass handed to him by the 3rd. This mother****er hears of young Kakashi receiving the sharingan from his dead pal, Obito. So he hires Orichimaru to do this for him in exchange for allowing him to do his sick experiments. This would explain why he wants Anko & Kabuto dead. He fears they know of this.

The big question is, who's eye is it ?

I can see it being Obito's since it has the 3 tomoe. The two eyes are probably still connected on a telepathic level or some **** like that. As Kakashi's eye grew stronger, so did Danzo's. And like Kakashi, he can't turn it off. So he covers it by playing the old fart who got ****ed by the 3rd so badly he wears a bandage on his face all the time.

It could be someone else since there were a lot of volunteers after the massacre. :o Maybe even Sasuke's pops.

I remember reading a theory that Tobi/Madara is Obito's corpse possessed by Madara. Which also had a nice explanation into why he wanted Sasuke's body. Mainly because he had a nice pair of sharingan eyes. If he finds out that this old fart has one with the 3 tomoe. He may aim to take his to give himself a complete set if the plan with Sasuke falls through. This would set up a Sasuke & Naruto team up against him in the series finale.

- There better not be another sharingan. Who's next, Naruto ? Hahah....... wait a minute. Didn't Itachi leave him with something ? :huh:

that theory makes sense.

[Colossal Spoons]

Wasn't expecting that from Danzou

[oakzap425]

Agreed with the above about Mizukagi being hot :), and probably having a mouth full of freaky shark teeth :(.

I'm starting to get worried tho. I think the Hokage's being introducedre interesting, but only one current Hokage is screaming power, and that's KB's older bro. An old man (who will probably surprise with his power, but still...) who can barely walk, and Gaara sans his beast (who knows how much power he lost). Mizukage is the only one who looks in her prime. Danzo will probably disappear as soon as the fight starts. I'm worried Sasuke might actually kill a few of them off.

I mean it's not like I expect new characters who will probably have very minor roles overall to kill off established characters like Sasuke, but the thought of Sasuke getting a victory over a room full of Hokage's....ugh.


That aside, was kinda disappointed in Naruto. I get he's conflicted, but his answers have become non-answers. He's trying hard to carry Jiraiya's message, but at this point he's not helping anyone.


Only Hokage is Danzou, at the moment. Konoha has a Hokage. The other village's Kage's have different Names, Tsuchi-, Mizu-, Kaze-, and Raikage

[oakzap425]

Naw.

- I think he's just a dude who had the eye transplant done like Kakashi. Hell, I think he bit the idea off of Kakashi. Here's my theory on the dude's sharingan. After getting his ass handed to him by the 3rd. This mother****er hears of young Kakashi receiving the sharingan from his dead pal, Obito. So he hires Orichimaru to do this for him in exchange for allowing him to do his sick experiments. This would explain why he wants Anko & Kabuto dead. He fears they know of this.

The big question is, who's eye is it ?

I can see it being Obito's since it has the 3 tomoe. The two eyes are probably still connected on a telepathic level or some **** like that. As Kakashi's eye grew stronger, so did Danzo's. And like Kakashi, he can't turn it off. So he covers it by playing the old fart who got ****ed by the 3rd so badly he wears a bandage on his face all the time.

It could be someone else since there were a lot of volunteers after the massacre. :o Maybe even Sasuke's pops.

I remember reading a theory that Tobi/Madara is Obito's corpse possessed by Madara. Which also had a nice explanation into why he wanted Sasuke's body. Mainly because he had a nice pair of sharingan eyes. If he finds out that this old fart has one with the 3 tomoe. He may aim to take his to give himself a complete set if the plan with Sasuke falls through. This would set up a Sasuke & Naruto team up against him in the series finale.

- There better not be another sharingan. Who's next, Naruto ? Hahah....... wait a minute. Didn't Itachi leave him with something ? :huh:

I agree on the transplant theory, for Danzou. But I definitly don't think it's Obito's other eye. Wasn't Danzou the person to give the orders for the execution of the Uchiha's? If not the person, he was definitly involved. Maybe he knew something, or, in exchange for Itachi keeping Sasuke alive, he ordered Itachi to bring him a sharingan back. If anything, if not Obito's, I have a feeling it was either a Fodder uchiha, or, Shisui.

[Colossal Spoons]

Wow. Never in a million years did I think they'd introduce samurai into the Naruto-verse :up:

[X-Ray]

Wow. Never in a million years did I think they'd introduce samurai into the Naruto-verse :up:

I like.

Ninja vs. Samurai = FTW! :word:

[Colossal Spoons]

They looks really tough too.

Oh and Danzou can like.....actually fight :eek:

[Poetic Chaos]

Wow. Never in a million years did I think they'd introduce samurai into the Naruto-verse :up:

so badass!

[scatterax]

i love the sams. and they haven't even done anything yet!:yay:

[mfbtl]

I wonder if they would get any kind of jutsu. I would think not.

[Fading]

Only Hokage is Danzou, at the moment. Konoha has a Hokage. The other village's Kage's have different Names, Tsuchi-, Mizu-, Kaze-, and Raikage

Sry, that's me being lazy. In the same quote I said Mizu as well. I said all of the Hokage's, but meant all of the village leader's. I do realize the leader for each village has a different suffix in front of kage, just me being lazy.



About this weeks Naruto, I can't really say Danzo's reveal makes me more or less confident about him being Madra/Tobi or not. The reveal was just too easy, he could just as easily be a brother/etc.

The main problem I have with most Danzo/Obito/Madra theories is the timing. Obito's body is Kakashi's age, Danzo and Tobi/Madra looked much older. Danzo rivaled the third growing up, Madra rivaled the first growing up. I have a feeling the explanation will either have me scratching my head with how much of a convaluted mess it is, or slapping my head wondering how I couldn't see the actual solution.

[X-Ray]

I wonder if they would get any kind of jutsu. I would think not.

They should be able to handle taijutsu & ninjutsu. Genjutsu is another story. They must have something to counter that since no ninja village touches the place. The old dude speaks highly of them.

[Trainwreck2100]

They should be able to handle taijutsu & ninjutsu. Genjutsu is another story. They must have something to counter that since no ninja village touches the place. The old dude speaks highly of them.

Maybe they have better weapons technology, like that armor they were wearing

[Colossal Spoons]

Isn't Choji wearing samurai-type armor these days?

[Sloth7d]

I wonder if they would get any kind of jutsu. I would think not.

Probably some good taijutsus, maybe genjutsu. I can't picture them being samurai if they used ninjutsu though.

[CBG]

Samurai?

What's next? Pirates?

[Fading]

I'm wondering just how much they'll differ from the Naruto-verse ninja. Sure, there are guys like Kakashi who fit the stealthy assasin role to a T. However if you look at guys like Naruto or Lee, they're more of an in your face, honorable type fighter. I do realize that Naruto and Lee can be occasionally stealthy (like Naruto's shadow shuiriken deal), but other than carrying katana's and using heavy armor, how much different can they be?

It is cool they introduced them tho. Them also being a sort of police force also fits them well. I just hope they're well implemented instead of becoming faceless fodder for Sasuke and his crew.

[scatterax]

Samurai?

What's next? Pirates?

no, ALIENS! and possibly voltron after that.

[uchiha_itachi]

pirates ftfwp

[Colossal Spoons]

I'd love it if an underground city were revealed. A city in the air might be cool but I feel like they'd make that too cheesy and the series would turn into Avatar lol

[oakzap425]

I'd love it if an underground city were revealed. A city in the air might be cool but I feel like they'd make that too cheesy and the series would turn into Avatar lol

...UM....have we been reading the same manga? Because , I'm pretty sure we're way past the point of no return, when it comes to the cheese.

[X-Ray]

Naruto = corny.

- His corny ass love speech confirms he will go to war if anything happens to Sasuke. I guess he's forgetting that he isn't Hokage yet and that the current Hokage gave the okay. So I doubt the current leaf will go to war over Sasuke's death. :oldrazz:

- Yamato's "Don't forget you only exist because we allowed it" line had me chuckling a little. Because since Cloud had two demon tails on their side. You'd think Cloud would have the edge at the time. Yes, Leaf has the 9 tails but Naruto was about 5 or 6 at the time and was unaware of it's powers. The two that cloud had would have been teens at the time and probably be more aware of their inner demon powers. So Cloud would have been a force to reckon with back then.

- Sasuke putting Karin in her place was pretty funny too.

- And wtf ? Naruto still has it for Sakura! Even after what Hinata did. ****, does he even remember what Hinata did for him.

[Sloth7d]

The Samurai heavily remind me of Storm Troopers all of a sudden.

[oakzap425]

Thank you Kishimoto, for making the entire Pein versus Naruto conversation void.

I'm beginning to think this manga has gone on too long for it's own good.

[Phenomenal]

Samurai?

What's next? Pirates?

Nah, action is next.

[scatterax]

Naruto = corny.

- His corny ass love speech confirms he will go to war if anything happens to Sasuke. I guess he's forgetting that he isn't Hokage yet and that the current Hokage gave the okay. So I doubt the current leaf will go to war over Sasuke's death. :oldrazz:

- Yamato's "Don't forget you only exist because we allowed it" line had me chuckling a little. Because since Cloud had two demon tails on their side. You'd think Cloud would have the edge at the time. Yes, Leaf has the 9 tails but Naruto was about 5 or 6 at the time and was unaware of it's powers. The two that cloud had would have been teens at the time and probably be more aware of their inner demon powers. So Cloud would have been a force to reckon with back then.

- Sasuke putting Karin in her place was pretty funny too.

- And wtf ? Naruto still has it for Sakura! Even after what Hinata did. ****, does he even remember what Hinata did for him.

i don't think yamato said that. i think the guy in the picture said that flashback style. probably talking to neji or something?

and the whole thing w/ sai calling out naruto was a flash back to a much earlier chapter from b4 the whole pain saga.

[scatterax]

Thank you Kishimoto, for making the entire Pein versus Naruto conversation void.

I'm beginning to think this manga has gone on too long for it's own good.

ya, naruto threatening to go to war over sasuke makes no sense. naruto's acting really stupid lately. contradicting his new beliefs on peice already. @ this point if cloud kills sasuke he should just let it go. I mean, sasuke isn't part of the leaf right now anyway, so why risk starting a war between the leaf and the cloud over him?

[mfbtl]

I know a bunch of you all probably don't watch the anime anymore, but they are about to do Kakashi Gaiden.

[X-Ray]

i don't think yamato said that. i think the guy in the picture said that flashback style. probably talking to neji or something?

and the whole thing w/ sai calling out naruto was a flash back to a much earlier chapter from b4 the whole pain saga.

Nope. It was Yamato (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/457/13/) alright. Unless dead Hyuga showed up to add on to what Yamato was saying.

I know a bunch of you all probably don't watch the anime anymore, but they are about to do Kakashi Gaiden.

Sweet. I might start watching again.

[KalKai]

The last episode was totally ruined thanks to the direction and the horrible animation.

Kakashi Gaiden ain't looking too good either, not that it was this fantastic story to tell to begin with.

[Phenomenal]

ya, naruto threatening to go to war over sasuke makes no sense.

Naruto wasn't threatning to go to war over Saskue he was trying to prevent war [from the villages] by stopping the Kage from retaliating. Preventing the cycle of hate Pain/Nagato was talking about.

[mfbtl]

There would be no cycle in this case. There is no hint that either Danzo or Tsunade (once she gets healthy) would attack the Raikage's land after they kill (which would never happen) Sasuke. Only Naruto and Sakura would be pissed. More ninja wouldn't be happy, but they won't become fugatives from the leaf just for revenge.

[X-Ray]

Naruto wasn't threatning to go to war over Saskue he was trying to prevent war [from the villages] by stopping the Kage from retaliating. Preventing the cycle of hate Pain/Nagato was talking about.

Since Danzo gave the okay. I don't think the villages have to worry about going to war.

Konoha: You killed Sasuke! This means war!
Cloud: But your Hokage gave the okay.
Konoha: Oh .... okay then. Just don't let it happen again.

Konoha would end up looking stupid.

[Phenomenal]

Danzou hasn't been approved yet..He still needs the Jounins acknowledgement first.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens

[X-Ray]

Danzou hasn't been approved yet..He still needs the Jounins acknowledgement first.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens

I'm aware of that. Still, he's the acting hokage calling the shots & representing Leaf at the summit.

[Phenomenal]

No one is heeding to Danzou's commands yet...Cause of that fact

So lets see how it plays out

[mfbtl]

Wouldn't Konoha have to do what ever the 5 Kages decide upon from the meeting? We don't really know exactly what is going to happen in the meeting, but it is a fair guess that it is going to be about going after the Akatsuki. And as far as they know Sasuke is apart of that organization. Raikage and Kazekage (unless Naruto can get to Gaara somehow) will vote for pursuing them. Danzo (unless there is something more to meets the "eye" heh ... sorry) will probably go along with them. That's 3 out of 5 right there.

[KalKai]

Raikage claimed that any Akatsuki member is an internationally wanted criminal, and in particular to Sasuke, he said that now that he joined their ranks the entire world will be going after him. I found that claim to be so absurd, if the entire ninja world was so highly worried about Akatsuki, what have they been doing this entire time?

Ironic since Sasuke himself is the 1 who's been partially responsible for the demise of 1 former member and 2 other members.

The only reason why Raikage demanded this meeting was because his brother was attacked, he wouldn't have done anything if this didn't affect him on a personal level.

[KalKai]

Raikage claimed that any Akatsuki member is an internationally wanted criminal, and in particular to Sasuke, he said that now that he joined their ranks the entire world will be going after him. I found that claim to be so absurd, if the entire ninja world was so highly worried about Akatsuki, what have they been doing this entire time?

Ironic since Sasuke himself is the 1 who's been partially responsible for the demise of 1 former member and 2 other members.

The only reason why Raikage demanded this meeting was because his brother was attacked, he wouldn't have done anything if this didn't affect him on a personal level.

[Fading]

I agree that the Raikage is more invested in this because Sasuke made it personal by attacking his brother (tho he thinks he's dead). However it makes sense that Akatsuki and Sasuke are internationally wanted criminals. Remember, it's not just Naruto and Raikage's bro that got attacked. Akatsuki have probably attacked, captured, and killed a host from each of the ninja area's. If the other area's are anywhere near as protective as Konoha is of Naruto, Sand is of Gaara, and Raikage is of his bro, it's understandable that a lot of ppl want Akatsuki dead. It's just that they probably didn't know about Akatsuki, or even what it was until Konoha brought it to light.

[Sloth7d]

Naruto is reminding me more and more of Star Wars lately. I think Kishimoto must've caught one of the SW marathons on Spike within the past year or so, lol.

[scatterax]

Naruto is reminding me more and more of Star Wars lately. I think Kishimoto must've caught one of the SW marathons on Spike within the past year or so, lol.

i think i know what u mean.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Naruto is reminding me more and more of Star Wars lately. I think Kishimoto must've caught one of the SW marathons on Spike within the past year or so, lol.

How so? I'm only up to Volume 9 of the graphic novels, so I've got a ways to go yet.:grin:

I see refrigerators and power lines in the series. Do other lands have cars, guns, etcetera? Just curious.

[mfbtl]

I see refrigerators and power lines in the series. Do other lands have cars, guns, etcetera? Just curious.

Kishimoto just tosses in stuff he needs to make sense. i.e. the ramen store has electricity. But who knows what the regular non hidden ninja villages have. In the first movie they made of Naruto (keep in mind this isn't part of the manga canon) the regular town had a movie theater, train, and people wearing weird battle suits.

[mfbtl]

latest issue is crazy

[YoungE808]

Byakugan!!!

[uchiha_itachi]

That last issue was goood. wonder what bumblebee's bro is hiding??

[X-Ray]

Byakugan!!!

Someone from Konoha hasn't been doing their job.

- Aren't ANBU/Hunter-nins supposed to prevent this kind of thing from happening. And if it already has. They're suppose to kill the mother****er and take it back. Danzo was right. Konoha has gotten weak under the 3rd. :o

- Interesting how Tobi tells Zetsu to interrupt the meeting just when all attention turns towards Danzou's eye patch. I guess there's a slight chance that they could be working together. Tobi just saved his shady ass.

- And Jesus Christ. :facepalm @ Sakura & Ino. I'm glad all the fellas, Tenten & Hinata got their **** straight. But those two. :facepalm Kill them off Kishi. Do it!

[YoungE808]

Supposedly, but all ANBU members are fodder unless they are Kakashi and Yamato. Yea I agree with you about Sakura and Ino. What are they crying for!?!? Who cares about the guy who left three years ago?

[mfbtl]

Deep down Sakura and Ino have to know that if Sasuke returns to Konoha that it will be because of his relationship with Naruto and not them. I think Sasuke only liked Sakura as a teamate and he nothings Ino.

[uchiha_itachi]

Someone from Konoha hasn't been doing their job.

- Aren't ANBU/Hunter-nins supposed to prevent this kind of thing from happening. And if it already has. They're suppose to kill the mother****er and take it back. Danzo was right. Konoha has gotten weak under the 3rd. :o

- Interesting how Tobi tells Zetsu to interrupt the meeting just when all attention turns towards Danzou's eye patch. I guess there's a slight chance that they could be working together. Tobi just saved his shady ass.

- And Jesus Christ. :facepalm @ Sakura & Ino. I'm glad all the fellas, Tenten & Hinata got their **** straight. But those two. :facepalm Kill them off Kishi. Do it!

im just glad tobi isn't danzou...would of been a let down tbh. interesting that danzou got uchiha parts from another uchiha tho...i didnt really see that comming...well i didnt see the arm comming, they eye maybe. have we heard of that particular uchiha before?

[X-Ray]

im just glad tobi isn't danzou...would of been a let down tbh. interesting that danzou got uchiha parts from another uchiha tho...i didnt really see that comming...well i didnt see the arm comming, they eye maybe. have we heard of that particular uchiha before?




He's Itachi's friend. The one he killed to get Mangekyo.

Now it makes even more sense why he wants all those connected to Orochimaru dead. Half of a dead Uchiha body fused with Danzou's sounds like something that only Orochimaru can do. Hell, Kabuto is fused with a dead Orochimaru at the moment.

[Colossal Spoons]

Byakugan!!!

I was excited to see it till he said how/where he got it :(

[uchiha_itachi]

He's Itachi's friend. The one he killed to get Mangekyo.

Now it makes even more sense why he wants all those connected to Orochimaru dead. Half of a dead Uchiha body fused with Danzou's sounds like something that only Orochimaru can do. Hell, Kabuto is fused with a dead Orochimaru at the moment.


wow...that makes it even better. This manga is on fire right now.

[Genesis 1.0]

Usually do my Naruto talk at Manga Share but I've gotta throw my own 2 cents in here.

-Naruto's obsession with Sasuke is MORE unhealty than it was when he first left. I mean, come on, you really can't continue to drag this on like this. Naruto needs to take a definitive stand on this issue and not this apologetic lovesick puppy crap.

Other than that tidbit, this release actually was halfway decent. The eye implant fad is getting a little out of hand but it's all good.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, Naruto's obsession with Sasuke is getting ridiculous. I get that he made a promise to Sakura but damn.

[Genesis 1.0]

It's just unhealthy now and it actually detracts from the character.

[Fading]

IMO Naruto has been taking a step back for the worse every week since the last major fight.

All of Sakura's growth early on, her becoming independant and confident in her own power? Out the window, she's now the weak Sakura she was in the beginning of the first Naruto, a girl who can't stop thinking about Sasuke and has become dependant on the powers of her teammates.

Naruto probably had the most growth of anyone lately. Now? He's at his weakest. Even when he was Sasuke obsessed he was still driven to become more powerful to take Sasuke back, even by force. Now that he has the power to beat Sasuke down and drag him back to Konoha? He becomes a sniveling weakling who let's himself get almost beat to death and bows at the feet of Sasuke's would be executioner.

I'm not trying to be too down on the manga, I'm just not liking the direction. I get that major **** is about to go down battlewise, but it's coming at the cost of all the major character growth of anyone not named Shikamaru since Shippuuden began.

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm sure we were supposed to find the beatdown Naruto took for Sasuke admirable, but it was just pathetic and eyeroll-worthy.

[Marvin]

that half body snatching of danzos makes me wonder about obito's (half) body just laying around.

[uchiha_itachi]

Tobi has it lol

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

So how is Naruto similar to Star Wars?

[uchiha_itachi]

what?

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

what?

Someone on the previous page said Naruto was starting to show some similarities to Star Wars. I am asking what kind of similarities is it showing to Star Wars?

[X-Ray]

Someone on the previous page said Naruto was starting to show some similarities to Star Wars. I am asking what kind of similarities is it showing to Star Wars?

Danzou & Palpatine's path to power is the first thing that comes to mind.

[Colossal Spoons]

*points to signature*

thanks in advance guys :D

[Colossal Spoons]

It is cool they introduced them tho. Them also being a sort of police force also fits them well. I just hope they're well implemented instead of becoming faceless fodder for Sasuke and his crew.

Sorry to say you called it about the samurai :down:

[Magma_15]

so the new Chapter was definitely good.

[Fading]

Sorry to say you called it about the samurai :down:

I was pretty sad about that too :(. Wish I was wrong. We finally got to see what these uber cool Samurai could do....get a beatdown by Sasuke single handedly.

So...how bout that Sasuke getting another random power up? Gohan's "I'm pissed, I'll just scream loud and go SS5" character has nothing on Sasuke's random power ups at this point lol. Now he's got...'the darkness'....

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, I've had enough of Sasuke

[X-Ray]

Sorry to say you called it about the samurai :down:

Yep. The way they use chakra was cooled though.

It's pretty much the long sword version of Asuma's tech. And they too remind me a bit of Star Wars. Stormtroopers with light sabers.

so the new Chapter was definitely good.

Yes it was. Raikage is a take no ****, bad ass mofo.

He better not be fodder material like the samurais before him.

other stuff from this chapter ......

Also, anyone else get the feeling that Madara isn't "the" Madara ? What he says to Kakashi makes me believe this dude is just a poser.

"None of your attacks will work on me, Uchiha Madara."

He could be a Uchiha or some dude who snatched himself an sharingan. Now he prances around claiming to be the toughest Uchiha ever.

The dark force that's emerging from Sasuke's anger could be Madara. Something like with the 4th popping out of nowhere when Naruto almost went 9 tail could be happening here. Maybe it's something within the Uchiha blood. With enough power, anger and hatred. Madara can be summoned. That or Danzou is manipulating the little brat.

[Marvin]

no ones going to believe me but I called the whole someone using madara's title a while back.

the thing thing is I said it was obito behind the mask.

oh well, ho hum

not sure what kakashi and yamato think they're gonna do against "madara"

I do indeed like what madara wants to know from naruto.
naruto is stronger than anyone and madara is dumbfounded as to why.

up until this issue I believed sasuke was as faking.

Tsunade would put Raikage in his place.

the ninja world misses Jiraiya.

[mfbtl]

My guess is that Kishi will keep making us doubt who Tobi is over and over until someone who removes the mask and remember's him. Then we will be done with the second guessing.

[Magma_15]

Raikage is pretty bad ass, but Tsunade would definitely put him in his place. I have a feeling they proly know each other. And I wish Kishi would do something about her, either she wakes up or dies. But layin in a coma is getting old. And I think sasuke is just extremely mad that he was betrayed, I dont think its any new power. When ppl get mad they get random strength from adrenaline and stuff. When was the last time we actually seen him mad, since he fought Itachi. But we'll see. And when Kakashi and Yamato just came out of nowhere that was pretty cool. Idk if Madara is "the" Madara or not, but if hes not I hope he is someone equally as cool and not some boring random person.

[scatterax]

Raikage is pretty bad ass, but Tsunade would definitely put him in his place. I have a feeling they proly know each other. And I wish Kishi would do something about her, either she wakes up or dies. But layin in a coma is getting old. And I think sasuke is just extremely mad that he was betrayed, I dont think its any new power. When ppl get mad they get random strength from adrenaline and stuff. When was the last time we actually seen him mad, since he fought Itachi. But we'll see. And when Kakashi and Yamato just came out of nowhere that was pretty cool. Idk if Madara is "the" Madara or not, but if hes not I hope he is someone equally as cool and not some boring random person.

maybe the madara fighting kakashi &co. is the other half of that plant guy and the real madara is danzou. :word:

[Corinthian™]

no ones going to believe me but I called the whole someone using madara's title a while back.

the thing thing is I said it was obito behind the mask.

oh well, ho hum

not sure what kakashi and yamato think they're gonna do against "madara"

I do indeed like what madara wants to know from naruto.
naruto is stronger than anyone and madara is dumbfounded as to why.

up until this issue I believed sasuke was as faking.

Tsunade would put Raikage in his place.

the ninja world misses Jiraiya.
I called it first, tho

[Corinthian™]

I still hold the opinion that Tobi is Obito and he just took the name Madara for discovering the Mangekyo
I'm keeping too my prediction. I still think Madara is just an alias

[Marvin]

the real madara died a long time ago, and the fox will be the one to make that clear once he gets a look at what's going down

[oakzap425]

Spoilers:

http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=527462

This manga is just ridiculous right now.

KHR! for the win.

[mfbtl]

Raiger bomb? Did Kishi used to watch WCW?

[Sloth7d]

Spoilers:

http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=527462

This manga is just ridiculous right now.

KHR! for the win.

Agreed. Though I would've thought you'd enjoy Uchiha hax getting out haxed, Oak?

[oakzap425]

Agreed. Though I would've thought you'd enjoy Uchiha hax getting out haxed, Oak?

Uchiha is so haxed that for it to even be out haxed comments aren't needed.

1. Madara needs to lose the mask
2. Kakashi needs to lose the mask. Especially after we saw Sakumo.
3. Naruto to put up or shut up. This trying to redeem Sasuke **** is becoming ridiculous. Either Naruto is blind or just plain retarded. I'm leaning toward both.
4. Rookie Nine, plus Tema Gai going to take down Sasuke? Um, Shikamaru, Chouji, Kiba, Neji, Lee... did you forget the Rescure Sasuke Arc? Yeah, further discussion unneeded.
5. Sakura... leave the manga please. Kishimoto set Sakura up to be this potentially amazing kunoichi after training under Tsunade... wtf?!
6. Danzou... Sharingan, why does everyone have a damn Sharingan. This is why the hax did nothing for me. What's the point?
7. Sasuke vs. Raikage is in no way an epic fight, and I don't want to see anyone say so. We all know Uchiha will win with Original-Hax-Plot-No-Jutsu. And then after than, Bee will reappear.

This manga should have either ended or should be wrapping up. By teh looks of things, it seems like Kishimoto is just digging a deeper plot hole with no explainations ever being resolved. I'm sick of it all. I just check on this manga twice a month and go on about my business. It has lost everything, interest-wise, to me. This is not the Naruto I remember being so obsessed with, it was borderline creepy. I don't know what the **** is going on with this ****, but it better stop soon.


Also, I now laugh at the comment of Naruto being stronger than Sasuke. Eff that noise. Sasuke is ridiculous strong right now. I'm no where near an Uchiha fan, and I can see this. So, if Naruto defeats Sasuke via "the speech", I'll no respect left for this manga.

[Sloth7d]

Well, I agree with you on, well, pretty much everything except Sasuke being strong. I almost dropped the manga when Danzou was shown as having a sharingan, though at first I thought it was cool, but after I thought about it, and then later saw Ao with a byakugan, I figured this whole eye jutsu thing is getting out of hand. That everyone and their mothers are getting transplants seems ridiculous. Is Konan going to pop back up in couple of chapters with Nagato's eyes? I mean why wouldn't she anyway. It doesn't seem as if eye transplanting works through real world logic, right? It seems pretty stupid with the way that's working out.
As for Sasuke? No. The kids got his hands on some uber techniques, but he's a complete scrub with them. In every fight he's used the MS he's gotten vehemently owned, hard. He's made every MS technique short of Kamui look like a joke, but I wouldn't be surprised if he pulled that out next with the way Susano'o failed him. Especially since his Susano'o is a mere pile of bones with no items as well as dimintive compared to Itachi's. No Sasuke's still a scrub, even if he has strong techniques.

[Fading]

That's (part of atleast) what annoys me about Sasuke, and Gohan. Both fail their way up. Both get handed uber powers when angry with poor explanations. Meanwhile Naruto/Goku had to work their ass off in special training just to keep up. I think it's clear Sasuke's not a genius at this point, he's just been blessed in the genetic lottery. He has/had a curse seal, MS eyes, and now some weird dark crap, yet he always wins thru plot rather than skill.

I also agree with it no longer being the Naruto I remember, and powers all becoming bland. Getting character specific powers via eye surgery? I mean what's the point in the Uchiha's being wiped out and near extinct if everyone and their mom had their eyes taken off the corpses and implanted in them.

As for this issue....it annoyed me that they went out of their way to have some guy who probably didn't know who Itachi was outside of hearing his name say, "Wow Sasuke > Itachi". It felt very forced.

[oakzap425]

Well, I agree with you on, well, pretty much everything except Sasuke being strong. I almost dropped the manga when Danzou was shown as having a sharingan, though at first I thought it was cool, but after I thought about it, and then later saw Ao with a byakugan, I figured this whole eye jutsu thing is getting out of hand. That everyone and their mothers are getting transplants seems ridiculous. Is Konan going to pop back up in couple of chapters with Nagato's eyes? I mean why wouldn't she anyway. It doesn't seem as if eye transplanting works through real world logic, right? It seems pretty stupid with the way that's working out.
As for Sasuke? No. The kids got his hands on some uber techniques, but he's a complete scrub with them. In every fight he's used the MS he's gotten vehemently owned, hard. He's made every MS technique short of Kamui look like a joke, but I wouldn't be surprised if he pulled that out next with the way Susano'o failed him. Especially since his Susano'o is a mere pile of bones with no items as well as dimintive compared to Itachi's. No Sasuke's still a scrub, even if he has strong techniques.


Oh good lord... why did your have to remind me about the stolen Byakugan?!


That stolen byakugan clearly shows that Hinata's kidnapping attempt was useless. Infact, it really seems like Kishi hyped up the Hyuuga clan (Neji's strength, Neji's beliefs and feelings toward the Hyuuga, Hinata, in general, and Naruto's decleration to change the Clan when he becomes Hokagae) sees likea bunch of useless ****.

This is the main problem I'm having with the manga. Kishi is setting up all these story lines, and very interesting sub plots, and then completely ignoring them.

-Sai's brother.
-Sakura's strength
-Hinata's decleration, and self-sacrifice to Naruto
-Kakashi's death, father-son discussion.
-Naruto's learning about his father.
-Naruto's now lack of knowledge about his mother, considering her character was introduced, named, and given somewhat of a back ground
-****ING KABUTO
-Zetsu. we've gone this entire manga trying to figure him out, and just as we seem close... this happens.

[YoungE808]

What can we say? The dude has this whole story thought out before he even created characters like Neji and Sai. Personally, I don't mind too much that the others have gotten pushed to the bottom on the stack of importance since the main mystery I want solved is how Kakashi got his Mangekyo Sharingan.

No doubt the copy-nin is my favorite ninja and I'm glad he's still relevant. I do remember reading in an interview that this was the year of Kakashi (said Kishi. Something like that atleast) so I'm still keeping my hopes up with some important reveals on his part.

[uchiha_itachi]

the story does seem to be tipping in kakashi's favour slowly

[X-Ray]

Sorry Gaara. That **** only works with Naruto's weak ass. :doh:

[dr venture]

smh

Here we go again with Sasuke using that main character jutsu

[mfbtl]

^ lmao

[Sloth7d]

I don't get the joke. He hasn't used any jutsu anyone shouldn't have already known he can use, yes that includes Susano'o thanks to the data books.

[uchiha_itachi]

He just means the manga has seemed to of started focusing on Sasuke again more than anthing else.

[Fading]

I know it probably sees like I come in this thread anymore to **** on Naruto, but I really do want to like this manga...but I'm about done with it. Just like with wrestling, I seem to read it out of habit more than actual entertainment. Tho I finally found the willpower to quit watching wrestling lol, haven't quite given up on Naruto just yet.

A few weeks ago I joked about Sasuke having the "power of darkness" because it was a rediculous premise, I didn't actually expect him to have it. This week he apparently does have "the power of darkness" and uses it to shrug off attacks from 2 Kage's, and 2 other (guessing) Jounin level or higher ppl. All of this while making one of the Kage's cut off his own arm...oh and he happens to be more powerful supposedly than Killer Bee was, and Bee basically killed Sasuke 3x over.

This might have been fine if Sasuke did training in the meantime, but he didn't. He just said, "**** it, Ima Avenger!!!" and powered up Super Saiyin style.



So current manga direction -

Danzou's a chicken **** Hokage who wants to high tail it rather than show off badass hidden powers.

Naruto's a coward who bows at the feet of Sasuke's would be executioner.

Sakura reverted back to Sakura year 1.

Team Guy dissapeared off the face of the map.

Oh and Sasuke is one temper tantrum from being the most pwnsome being in the Naruto-verse.


*Sigh*...wtf happened to make the series go from awesome to this!?!



(I'll try and cut back on the *****in' after this point, just had to get that out of me)

[YoungE808]

Well, Madara is manipulating Sasuke. After you attack a Kage you're pretty much on your own for the rest of your life since everyone will be after you. This is exactly what Sasuke wanted along with him spamming his MS so he won't be able to see. After that, he'll be forced to take Itachi's eyes which will grant him EMS. At that point Sasuke will be at the top of his game and Madara will sync him with Gedo Mazo. That, of course, is after Naruto fights Sasuke because the Kyuubi is required for Madara to become complete.

Should Sasuke be as good as he is now? Certainly not, but he did have all of Itachi's eye techniques transferred to him and he's had battle experience using them (Killerbee fight). After that fight, he realized he could use Susanoo. After extinguishing the black flames that got on Karin, he also realized that he could manipulate Amaterasu in other ways hence the last chapter.

All of this is probably child's play to Itachi.


*Also, Team Gai is not part of the main story so we'd be lucky to see those bushy eyebrows ever again.
*Naruto will soon have to give up Sasuke because there's nothing he can do. Same with Sakura who became useless rather fast.


BRING ON MORE KAKASHI

[YoungE808]

double

[uchiha_itachi]

I wish itachi was still alive

[Trainwreck2100]

I wish itachi was still alive

I'd like to hope with that last tap that he gave Sasuke he transferred some of his chakra into him ala the 4th/naruto

[uchiha_itachi]

I would love to see that.

[Sloth7d]

No, anyone with a plan that basically boils down to this line of thinking--

Itachi: Sasuke I drove you mad with vengeance and tried to convince you hate and power are obviously the most substantial resources to gaining what you want to achieve. But clearly you weren't paying attention to what I taught you because you're using those attributes I instilled in you for evil instead of good. And anyone else would know a road lain of hatred leads to a benevolent path. You're just too stupid to understand that.

Deserves to stay dead and never come back. Itachi's revalation of being a good guy was just too stupid to ever forgive. Even if he is awesome.

[uchiha_itachi]

I quite liked that twist tbh. he made him sort of an anti hero type. If naruto fails itachi is the only option to knock sense into him. i think thats gonna happen either ala chakara traces like the 4th did with naruto or naruto uses whatever it is that itachi gave him to stop sasuke. while on tht subject....its kind of annoying we still dont know what that is

[Sloth7d]

Well, I wouldn't have minded Itachi being an anti-hero. It's just his whole scheme of turning Sasuke into Konoha's hero was so ridiculous. Since that was the central prospect of his revelation as being a good guy, the entire thing just seemed silly.

[carrrnuttt]

...naruto uses whatever it is that itachi gave him to stop sasuke. while on tht subject....its kind of annoying we still dont know what that is

I have a feeling that that is EXACTLY what Itachi planted in Naruto--something to offset Sasuke's turn against Konoha, if he found out the truth behind what Itachi did.

[oakzap425]

I know it probably sees like I come in this thread anymore to **** on Naruto, but I really do want to like this manga...but I'm about done with it. Just like with wrestling, I seem to read it out of habit more than actual entertainment. Tho I finally found the willpower to quit watching wrestling lol, haven't quite given up on Naruto just yet.

A few weeks ago I joked about Sasuke having the "power of darkness" because it was a rediculous premise, I didn't actually expect him to have it. This week he apparently does have "the power of darkness" and uses it to shrug off attacks from 2 Kage's, and 2 other (guessing) Jounin level or higher ppl. All of this while making one of the Kage's cut off his own arm...oh and he happens to be more powerful supposedly than Killer Bee was, and Bee basically killed Sasuke 3x over.

This might have been fine if Sasuke did training in the meantime, but he didn't. He just said, "**** it, Ima Avenger!!!" and powered up Super Saiyin style.



So current manga direction -

Danzou's a chicken **** Hokage who wants to high tail it rather than show off badass hidden powers.

Naruto's a coward who bows at the feet of Sasuke's would be executioner.

Sakura reverted back to Sakura year 1.

Team Guy dissapeared off the face of the map.

Oh and Sasuke is one temper tantrum from being the most pwnsome being in the Naruto-verse.


*Sigh*...wtf happened to make the series go from awesome to this!?!



(I'll try and cut back on the *****in' after this point, just had to get that out of me)

If you couldn't tell from my most recent posts, I completely agree.

[KalKai]

Well, Madara is manipulating Sasuke. After you attack a Kage you're pretty much on your own for the rest of your life since everyone will be after you. This is exactly what Sasuke wanted along with him spamming his MS so he won't be able to see. After that, he'll be forced to take Itachi's eyes which will grant him EMS. At that point Sasuke will be at the top of his game and Madara will sync him with Gedo Mazo. That, of course, is after Naruto fights Sasuke because the Kyuubi is required for Madara to become complete.

Should Sasuke be as good as he is now? Certainly not, but he did have all of Itachi's eye techniques transferred to him and he's had battle experience using them (Killerbee fight). After that fight, he realized he could use Susanoo. After extinguishing the black flames that got on Karin, he also realized that he could manipulate Amaterasu in other ways hence the last chapter.

All of this is probably child's play to Itachi.

Sasuke did not have any eye techniques transfered to him apart from that 1-shot Amaterasu trap on Madara which was Itachi's plan to keep Madara away from Sasuke, which of course has failed.

Sasuke made it clear enough in the end: Those who awaken the MS in both eyes will be able to utilize the 3rd power which is Susanoo.

Sasuke can turn off Amaterasu with both eyes and perform shape manipulation upon the flames with his right, Itachi has never done that.

[YoungE808]

Sasuke did not have any eye techniques transfered to him apart from that 1-shot Amaterasu trap on Madara which was Itachi's plan to keep Madara away from Sasuke, which of course has failed.

Sasuke made it clear enough in the end: Those who awaken the MS in both eyes will be able to utilize the 3rd power which is Susanoo.

Sasuke can turn off Amaterasu with both eyes and perform shape manipulation upon the flames with his right, Itachi has never done that.

Look here: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/397/11/

If Itachi didn't transfer his eye techniques, then how did Sasuke learn to use Tsukiyomi? So far it seems like he's used it 3x already. Plus, he's already learned Amaterasu and Susanoo while he's only had his MS for like two days. Those are the three special MS techniques, there is no way that it takes that short of time to master them. For Itachi, it probably took him weeks or months so when he transferred his techniques to his brother, Sasuke then knew how to do the techniques because Itachi knew how to do them. Maybe not, but can he really know how to do Susanoo just from looking at Itachi's?

[Sloth7d]

Sasuke did not have any eye techniques transfered to him apart from that 1-shot Amaterasu trap on Madara which was Itachi's plan to keep Madara away from Sasuke, which of course has failed.

Sasuke made it clear enough in the end: Those who awaken the MS in both eyes will be able to utilize the 3rd power which is Susanoo.

Sasuke can turn off Amaterasu with both eyes and perform shape manipulation upon the flames with his right, Itachi has never done that.


He actually did put Ama out in the fight with his brother, and looking at the skill difference between them as well as the amount of time Itachi has had Amaterasu, I have no doubt Itachi could manipulate Amaterasus shape as well.

[KalKai]

He actually did put Ama out in the fight with his brother, and looking at the skill difference between them as well as the amount of time Itachi has had Amaterasu, I have no doubt Itachi could manipulate Amaterasus shape as well.

I'm not so sure if they're the same thing. Sasuke uses both eyes to literally erase the flames, and when he did put it out twice it was a very big deal, Kishi emphasized a lot on it. When Itachi stopped Amaterasu you could still the blackness and smoke coming up.

I don't think think Itachi could since: 1) Shape manipulating the flames seems to be an actual ability from Sasuke's right Mangenkyou eye, Itachi had Tsukuyomi, 2) Shii comments on how Sasuke's control of the flames is better than that of Itachi's, 3) It was never shown.

[KalKai]

Look here: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/397/11/

If Itachi didn't transfer his eye techniques, then how did Sasuke learn to use Tsukiyomi? So far it seems like he's used it 3x already. Plus, he's already learned Amaterasu and Susanoo while he's only had his MS for like two days. Those are the three special MS techniques, there is no way that it takes that short of time to master them. For Itachi, it probably took him weeks or months so when he transferred his techniques to his brother, Sasuke then knew how to do the techniques because Itachi knew how to do them. Maybe not, but can he really know how to do Susanoo just from looking at Itachi's?

That was a mistranslation, it originally read something as "eye power". This is what Itachi transfered in Sasuke's right eye (prior to awakening the MS of course): http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Transcription_Seal:_Amaterasu

On Tsukuyomi, he doesn't have it. The genjutsu he used thus far weren't given a name and Sasuke never said he was using Tsukuyomi like he did with Amaterasu and Susanoo.

He learned to control Ama during the Killerbee fight, and he had already realized he had Susanoo back then, which was the "something else" he wanted to try out.

Sasuke's Susanoo isn't even complete yet, it has yet to take an actual form, and it's already scary enough as it is lol.

[YoungE808]

All the above is true but in order to use Susanoo, he needs to know how to use Tsukuyomi and when he faced Killerbee, he used the Mangekyou Sharingan for what you're saying is an illusion. If it was just a regular illusion, than why did he have to use MS and why did he grab his right eye afterwards?

Ya know what else requires MS and is used with the right eye?

Tsukuyomi

[mfbtl]

But I thought the Tsukuyomi was an instenanious genjutsu? Wouldn't Killerbee's bijuu not be able to help him if that was the case? Ex: Kakashi getting Tsukuyomied?

[YoungE808]

In order to get out of Tsukuyomi you have to either break out it with Sharingan or have another person insert chakra into you. With Killerbee who is so in sync with his bijuu, he easily broke out of it since the alternate source of chakra from the 8-tails.


But if I am wrong someone please elaborate.

[Marvin]

like itachi, if sasuke uses these higher class uchiha jutsu's multiple times in one day he should be out for the count no?

that being said, he really should have put raikage in that tsukuyomi and called it a day.

(anyone who thought naruto had surpassed sasuke better think twice)

naruto defeat pain amazing
sasuke defeat a room full of kages? amazing +1

[Sloth7d]

I'm not so sure if they're the same thing. Sasuke uses both eyes to literally erase the flames, and when he did put it out twice it was a very big deal, Kishi emphasized a lot on it. When Itachi stopped Amaterasu you could still the blackness and smoke coming up.

It probably was a big deal for Sasuke who just learned the draw backs of such a powerful technique.
I don't see how smoke changes the fact that he put it out same as Sasuke did. When something is burnt, a vestige of smoke is likely to be the case even after the flames are extinguished. It also doesn't hurt Sasuke that Karin was laying in a lake.

I don't think think Itachi could since: 1) Shape manipulating the flames seems to be an actual ability from Sasuke's right Mangenkyou eye, Itachi had Tsukuyomi,

Itachi uses Amaterasu in his right eye, though you say that as if only one technique can be used per eye, or that Sasuke doesn't also harbor two techniques in one eye, as he knows Tsukuyomi as well and used it on KillerBee.

2) Shii comments on how Sasuke's control of the flames is better than that of Itachi's,

How would she know? Her statement was completely baseless and wouldn't be the first statement spoken from ignorance in this series that was completely false.

3) It was never shown.

While true, you don't find it a little hard to swallow that this person who's had usage of the MS for almost a decade longer than Sasuke, and has shown greater skill and intelligence than Sasuke in battle, and who's shown greater progressive ability than Sasuke (becoming an anbu and killing the Uchihas all at age 13), and who's uses a bigger and "meatier" verision of Susano'o than Sasuke didn't master a art of Amaterasu which Sasuke only needed usage of Ama twice to use? Come on now, that's a big gulp to take.

[Sloth7d]

But I thought the Tsukuyomi was an instenanious genjutsu? Wouldn't Killerbee's bijuu not be able to help him if that was the case? Ex: Kakashi getting Tsukuyomied?

If there's one thing the Naruto manga is famous for, it's hyperbole. Remeber when Amaterasu was considered "instant" and then Raikage out right dodged it. Using terms like "instant" in the Naruto universe usually means "really really fast".

[YoungE808]

like itachi, if sasuke uses these higher class uchiha jutsu's multiple times in one day he should be out for the count no?

that being said, he really should have put raikage in that tsukuyomi and called it a day.

(anyone who thought naruto had surpassed sasuke better think twice)

naruto defeat pain amazing
sasuke defeat a room full of kages? amazing +1

Hmmm 6 Paths of Pain vs The Kages.

[terry78]

So this Shippuden series is gonna start airing on Disney XD. Is that good?

[mfbtl]

That definatley can't be good.

[X-Ray]

I read Viz has full control. So I hope that means little editing.

Naruto being on there just gives me another reason to watch the channel. They already air the old X-Men series, Batman TAS, Superman & X-Men Revolution.

[YoungE808]

I actually cannot bear to listen to the English version of any anime that is not DBZ.

[carrrnuttt]

I actually cannot bear to listen to the English version of any anime that is not DBZ.

This.

I started following Naruto with my son, watching the dubbed versions on Nickelodeon.

After the series ran out, I found out not only can I watch further episodes online, but that I can also watch all the episodes from the beginning that I missed. Did all that, watching the subbed versions. Every once in a while, a dubbed episode or so can be found online. I tried it watching the dubbed version, and it just didn't seem "natural."

Oh, and I ran out of animated episodes to watch, which is where I ended up reading the mangas instead. I read full two years of Naruto about in 2-3 days. I'm mad. I shouldn't have done that. I started getting withdrawal symptoms after I got to the end. :o

[Sloth7d]

I actually cannot bear to listen to the English version of any anime that is not DBZ.

DeathNote? Cowboybeebop? Cromartie High? Gantz? Case Closed? Black Lagoon? Really?

[uchiha_itachi]

I thnk narutos dub is just REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEALLY bad. sounds like all the voices are done by the same guy/woman. other animes have decent dubs though...i think lol

[Colossal Spoons]

Just read the latest manga. I swear to God, can Sasuke stop getting these conveniently timed power-ups? He just fought the Raikage in an awesome battle, his damn eyes were about to fall out, and now he looks rested as hell and is about to fight a handful of Kages. no doubt he'll beat all the Kages and everybody else within 10 miles with some brand new Susanoo/Amterasu combination!!11. I'm so tired of this.

As much as I loved Killer Bee, I dig the Raikage more. A little too hot-headed but I love his physical attacks, a powerbomb? :awesome:

[uchiha_itachi]

Wasn't it called a Ligerbomb? i just hope theres some sort or reveal next chapter...im getting bored of nothing reeeeeally happening

[LouFerignoDemon]

Just read the latest manga. I swear to God, can Sasuke stop getting these conveniently timed power-ups? He just fought the Raikage in an awesome battle, his damn eyes were about to fall out, and now he looks rested as hell and is about to fight a handful of Kages. no doubt he'll beat all the Kages and everybody else within 10 miles with some brand new Susanoo/Amterasu combination!!11. I'm so tired of this.

As much as I loved Killer Bee, I dig the Raikage more. A little too hot-headed but I love his physical attacks, a powerbomb? :awesome:

:pal::lmao: What an obviously loaded question.


Obviously not. :dry:

In fact, these things seem to be picking up momentum.

[Sloth7d]

Meh, it's all just to parellell Naruto's feat of defeating 6 Kage level ninja in the form of Pein, and he only used Ama twice (or was that once and then he began playing around with the flame shape) and Susano'o drains life force instead of chakra. I don't see what the big deal is. If Sasuke's going to be considered a threat when Naruto faces him, he's got to build up he reputation to actually seem like one. Bad enough he's fighting Naruto after Naruto already defeated someone as ridiculous as Pein.

[Sloth7d]

See. No big deal at all CS. I kind of wish Sasuke had more steam in him myself and it looks like I was wrong about the parellel angle, but never the less he was running low on chakra after all.

[Magma_15]

Ok...sooo the new chapter was pretty flipping great to me.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Eh, so so. At least Sasuke didn't just get some random ass upgrade, or have more stamina than the Energizer Bunny. Also, why hasn't he mastered the Susano'o? As it was an eye transferred ability, it should be perfect.

[Fading]

I'm glad Sasuke didn't pwn the Kage's again this week. However I found Mizukage's performance dissapointing. So we're supposed to overlook her weak blood line limits because she has two of them? Having 2 slingshots doesn't matter when you're facing a haxed up bazooka lol. Atleast the old man kage didn't dissapoint.

So, this arch is reaching it's climax, everyones gathered in one place, and Madara shows up. I wonder if he'll kill everyone, or tell them his plan and leave? Part of me also wonders if I even care what his plan is at this point heh.

[Sloth7d]

Eh, so so. At least Sasuke didn't just get some random ass upgrade, or have more stamina than the Energizer Bunny. Also, why hasn't he mastered the Susano'o? As it was an eye transferred ability, it should be perfect.

If the databook is any indication, the only technique transferred was Amaterasu when Itachi died.

[Sloth7d]

I'm glad Sasuke didn't pwn the Kage's again this week. However I found Mizukage's performance dissapointing. So we're supposed to overlook her weak blood line limits because she has two of them? Having 2 slingshots doesn't matter when you're facing a haxed up bazooka lol. Atleast the old man kage didn't dissapoint.

So, this arch is reaching it's climax, everyones gathered in one place, and Madara shows up. I wonder if he'll kill everyone, or tell them his plan and leave? Part of me also wonders if I even care what his plan is at this point heh.


Well, her Boiling Mist technique was corroding Susano'o, even if it was a severely weakened Susano'o that Sasuke was struggling to sustain.

[LouFerignoDemon]

If the databook is any indication, the only technique transferred was Amaterasu when Itachi died.

It seems that his Susano'o did as well, only on the basis it seems to be a ES tech, and saw it only before he had ES.

[Sloth7d]

It seems that his Susano'o did as well, only on the basis it seems to be a ES tech, and saw it only before he had ES.

What makes you think that? The jutsu Itahi used on Sasuke is called Transcription Seal: Amaterasu, and it seemed to only be the cause of that involuntary amaterasu that triggers against Madara.

[LouFerignoDemon]

What makes you think that? The jutsu Itahi used on Sasuke is called Transcription Seal: Amaterasu, and it seemed to only be the cause of that involuntary amaterasu that triggers against Madara.


Only on the idea that Susano'o wasn't engaged by any handsigns (by way of Sasuke's Susano'o), so Sasuke couldn't exactly copy it beforehand, either. Also, Itatchi doesn't exactly reveal how he himself unleashes the tech, since he does it under a pile of rocks. While the Sharingan has some power behind it, it doesn't see through objects.

Granted, we don't know who else might know that tech (Madara probably does), so we have no -real- basis on who can/can't use it.

But it definitely looks like an ES tech.

[Sloth7d]

ES? You mean Eternal Magenkyo Sharingan? Sasuke doesn't have that yet, and Itachi didn't have that either. Or are you referring to something else?

But how Sasuke got the technique is either one of three ways. Either A. he messed around with his MS during the periods he was off-screen for some time until he learned how to activate it's most powerful techniques. or B. MS automatically gives the user those techniques. or C. He merely learned Tsukuyomi off-screen, or inherited it by mere activation, but by already having access to Amaterasu, due to Itachi, he thus was able to use Susano'o since he met the jutsu requirements needed.

Eitherway, the technique Itachi used on Sasuke was made clear in the databooks as only have instilled the power of Amaterasu in Sasuke. So, he definitely didn't pass Susano'o on.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I meant Magenkyo, not Eternal, sorry.

I doubt Sasuke, as great as he is, and as great love for him as the creator has, learned such an enormously powerful skill offscreen in such little time, and with such little consequence, as he was up and moving right away. We don't know the extent of MS, and while that is a possibility, it means that, like I said with the Sharingan techniques, it's an immediate transfer in knowledge (which seems a little foolish of him just getting it. I mean, Sharingan and MS are powerful weapons, but not quite hax godlike) However, it is far more likely that if Itatchi was capable of passing on, and giving submental activations for Ameterasu, it's hardly a stretch to believe he'd pass on his other techniques upon trusting his brother to take care of things.

[Sloth7d]

Yeah. It is possible, but when you say that, I can only imagine one instance where Itachi had the chance to transfer everything over. Unfortunately, during that incident the databook elaborates as to him only passing one single tech. over. When else did he have a chance to pass tsukuyomi and Susano'o?
Though, Sasuke learning it in such a short time isn't as unascertainable, imo. I mean, this is shonen after all.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Agreed, it is shonen, and the data book is meant to be taken at it's word. But for such an extremely powerful and what would most likely be extremely complex technique to just "sprout" into Sasuke simply because he attains the MS? That's a little hax, even for a Sharingan related thing. I mean, Naruto gets pretty ridiculous with just, "WTF?" powers concerning Sasuke, but that's just too much if he just either learns things like that with no problem, while on the run, without his friends ever seeing it, and having plenty of energy to fight, or just getting it.

[Sloth7d]

Well, this chapter was kind of silly, but since it laid the ground work for the plot of the rest of the series, it makes the rest of the series silly.... Yeah, I can't really play apologetics for Naruto anymore. Not after Project worldwide Tsukuyomi. It may as well have been world wide Amaterasu using the sun as a medium, but I guess Madara is a conqueror more than an avenger.

[mfbtl]

Did Madara accumulate followers we are unaware of? Or does he really think that 7 against the world will do it.

[Trainwreck2100]

Did Madara accumulate followers we are unaware of? Or does he really think that 7 against the world will do it.


hopefully that's the case maybe he'll attack the villages while their kages are away

[Magma_15]

this chapter kind of silly, liked a few parts, but overall blah. i like the idea about all the tailed beast and that. but the whole and he became the moon is a bit much too me, a lil too scifi iono just seemed silly.

[Fading]

So there's another tailed beast called the Juubi, it's body is the moon, and Madara wants to make the moon his eye to cast the largest illusion jitsu ever?....right....


Can we just go back to Madara's original plan of gathering the tailed beasts to cause war, and then make nations pay out the ass to stop the rampage? I was down on the idea at first, but it sounds pretty good right now.

Edit - On second thought, let's just call in Master Roshi, have him Kamehameha the hell outta the moon and call it a day.

[X-Ray]

The mother****er wants the moon to be his mother****in' eye !?

And the mother****in' moon is actually a 10 tail beast !?

Wtf is Kishi smoking !?

:doh:

[KalKai]

So there's another tailed beast called the Juubi, it's body is the moon, and Madara wants to make the moon his eye to cast the largest illusion jitsu ever?....right....


Can we just go back to Madara's original plan of gathering the tailed beasts to cause war, and then make nations pay out the ass to stop the rampage? I was down on the idea at first, but it sounds pretty good right now.

Edit - On second thought, let's just call in Master Roshi, have him Kamehameha the hell outta the moon and call it a day.

That was never Madara's plan, that was Pain's.

Take whatever Madara says with a pinch of salt either way.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Did Madara accumulate followers we are unaware of? Or does he really think that 7 against the world will do it.
Welcome to shonen. Seven of the strongest can take out armies, planets, gods, whatever.
The mother****er wants the moon to be his mother****in' eye !?

And the mother****in' moon is actually a 10 tail beast !?

Wtf is Kishi smoking !?

:doh:
Das good stuff.
That was never Madara's plan, that was Pain's.

Take whatever Madara says with a pinch of salt either way.
Nah, it's so ridiculous there's no need. :csad:

[scatterax]

I actually thought the issue was pretty cool. what whith with the story of that guy and the juubi.

...but the moon??? ...used to be a monster?????:doh: lemme guess, the guy who fought the juubi became the sun, and naruto will end in a battle between the sun and moon, both die, and get replaced by sasuke and naruto ...who are now the new moon and sun?

the sad thing is even though i just ranted off the top of my head, i could actually see that happening now.

[uchiha_itachi]

The mother****er wants the moon to be his mother****in' eye !?

And the mother****in' moon is actually a 10 tail beast !?

Wtf is Kishi smoking !?

:doh:

no no, the moond isn't the 10 tailed beast....the moon is the 10 tailed beasts former host....aprently.. :awesome:

[Sloth7d]

I actually thought the issue was pretty cool. what whith with the story of that guy and the juubi.

...but the moon??? ...used to be a monster?????:doh: lemme guess, the guy who fought the juubi became the sun, and naruto will end in a battle between the sun and moon, both die, and get replaced by sasuke and naruto ...who are now the new moon and sun?

the sad thing is even though i just ranted off the top of my head, i could actually see that happening now.

Yeah, if Kishi had just omitted that little tidbit of Infinite Tsukuyomi I think this chapter would've been good aside from Madara thinking he's imperfect Cell or something.

[YoungE808]

I don't think the Juubi's body is the moon it's inside of it and the surrounding rock is just Chibaku Tensei.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I don't think the Juubi's body is the moon it's inside of it and the surrounding rock is just Chibaku Tensei.


That actually makes sense.

[Sloth7d]

A rumor in Naruto that wasn't hyperbole, huh? I never thought I'd see the day.

[Magma_15]

The mother****er wants the moon to be his mother****in' eye !?

And the mother****in' moon is actually a 10 tail beast !?

Wtf is Kishi smoking !?



the moon is the 10 tail beast, its the former host, but regardless it is stupid. the 10 tailed beast is only formed when all the other beast and merge together. the whole infinite illusion and moon thing is dumb. I like the idea of the war, dont know with what army, i just hope kishi doesnt pull a whole army out of nowhere though.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I don't mind that he wants to control everybody, so it's not a god awful turn of events. But it feels like we've had to waste months and months, hell, even YEARS trying to get to what amounts to a very simple plot line.

[Sloth7d]

I would've minded if the whole Sharingan on the moon wasn't the joke prediction everyone on gamefaqs was making months prior to this moment. Plus, it's a sharingan on the moon. That's just... a bit much don't you think?

[LouFerignoDemon]

And the Juubi's body is the moon, not the sage's.

[CBG]

I don't mind that he wants to control everybody, so it's not a god awful turn of events. But it feels like we've had to waste months and months, hell, even YEARS trying to get to what amounts to a very simple plot line.

This.

[Marvin]

I don't mind that he wants to control everybody, so it's not a god awful turn of events. But it feels like we've had to waste months and months, hell, even YEARS trying to get to what amounts to a very simple plot line.

simple plot, dense story.

I'm very satisfied...and excited.

[scatterax]

I'm fine w/ the whole "moon eye" thing, but why did the moon have to be made from the juubi's body? that just seems so unnecessary/over kill/pointless all in 1.

i mean, why couldn't he come up w/ some less far fetched explination for y he will use the moon? it would have made more sence if it wasn't explained at all, and he just randomly says "with the power of the tailed beasts, i will turn the moon into a giant sharingan eye, and use it to control the world." but know, the moon has to be mad of a dead magical creatures body.:doh:

[LouFerignoDemon]

simple plot, dense story.

I'm very satisfied...and excited.


Simple plot, extremely long winded, and not very dense story.

Dense implies there was a lot of not overblown sequences which added to everything.

There has not been.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'm fine w/ the whole "moon eye" thing, but why did the moon have to be made from the juubi's body? that just seems so unnecessary/over kill/pointless all in 1.

i mean, why couldn't he come up w/ some less far fetched explination for y he will use the moon? it would have made more sence if it wasn't explained at all, and he just randomly says "with the power of the tailed beasts, i will turn the moon into a giant sharingan eye, and use it to control the world." but know, the moon has to be mad of a dead magical creatures body.:doh:


Well, it's not terrible.

He basically will control the world, which is pretty much what he's wanted to do from the get go when he wasn't named Hokage.

[sukariakwar]

Weird isn't it? He failed to become Hokage now he wanted to rule the world instead.

[YoungE808]

I don't think Madara even knows if the Juubi is the moon or not. I mean, it just doesn't make sense when earlier Pain referred to Chibaku Tensei as the technique that Rikudo Sennin used to create the moon. People, the Juubi is inside the moon and not the actual moon. He used Chibaku Tensei to surround it with all that rock.

[Fading]

Even that's still ridiculous. Naruto used to be more grounded, and I liked that. While Goku was blowing up planets with energy beams Naruto was struggling to run up a tree. The second Jitsu's start creating moons it's overkill and no longer grounded. It's like Luffy lifting an Island, or Yuramesi destroying the moon with a spirit gun blast. These didn't happen because the authors stayed fairly within the confines of the power settings they established. Naruto has now introduced Jitsu's and individuals that can create moons. Sans completely ignoring this development Naruto now has Jitsu's that can manipulate matter on a Silver Surfer like level.

Beyond that it's just needlessly tacked on. Why does the Juubi have to be/be in the moon for Madara to be able to cast his eye on it? The answer is it doesn't. Now when the moon sized Juubi shows up only big as a small building it's going to seem wrong. Why couldn't his body just have disappeared when his energies were split into the other tailed beasts?

[LouFerignoDemon]

Even that's still ridiculous. Naruto used to be more grounded, and I liked that. While Goku was blowing up planets with energy beams Naruto was struggling to run up a tree. The second Jitsu's start creating moons it's overkill and no longer grounded. It's like Luffy lifting an Island, or Yuramesi destroying the moon with a spirit gun blast. These didn't happen because the authors stayed fairly within the confines of the power settings they established. Naruto has now introduced Jitsu's and individuals that can create moons. Sans completely ignoring this development Naruto now has Jitsu's that can manipulate matter on a Silver Surfer like level.

Beyond that it's just needlessly tacked on. Why does the Juubi have to be/be in the moon for Madara to be able to cast his eye on it? The answer is it doesn't. Now when the moon sized Juubi shows up only big as a small building it's going to seem wrong. Why couldn't his body just have disappeared when his energies were split into the other tailed beasts?
That may be exaggerating things a bit.

[Fading]

That may be exaggerating things a bit.

Probably, but making a moon, and all matter contained in/of it while standing on Earth with will/mental power and hand gestures is still far above most super hero powers. Superman may be able to push a planet, but not create one. I was trying to think of a matter manipulator who could create a moon, and Surfer's just who popped into mind.

[uchiha_itachi]

Technically someone like Iceman or avalanch could also create moons though.

[Sloth7d]

The Rikudo sage DID allegedly create ninjutsu, you know. I don't see what's so wrong about at least he being that powerful, especially since he's no longer around.

[Fading]

Technically someone like Iceman or avalanch could also create moons though.

Possible on Iceman, but I thought Avalanche just manipulated Earth rather than creating it. He'd have to tear enough matter from Earth and send it into space, and I don't think he has near that much power (but could be wrong). In Iceman's case he could probably make something that big, but all the matter would be water in various forms more or less. Where the moon has different minerals, and dust. IMO a jitsu that can create a moon is just too ridiculous and out of place.

Anyway I'll drop it there. Like I said earlier I'll try and cut back on the complaining about Naruto. I just found this too silly and needlessly tacked on not to comment.

[uchiha_itachi]

The thing that brings it down to earth for me is the fact that the guy who did it was not only like the "god" and founder of the ninja world and all of its techniques but he also had all of the tailed beasts sealed within him. so it would make him that powerful. as long as this dosent get more ridiculous than that im cool with it lol

but tbf i did share your feelings when i first read it lol

[Fading]

The Rikudo sage DID allegedly create ninjutsu, you know. I don't see what's so wrong about at least he being that powerful, especially since he's no longer around.

Tho up to this point top rank ninja's were just breathing flames, causing wind gusts, creating illusions, and moving really fast. Creating a MOON is a rather big jump from what we've been shown. Even if it was the father of Chakra usage. That's DBZ levels of crazy power output. Anyway I'll drop it.

[YoungE808]

Tho up to this point top rank ninja's were just breathing flames, causing wind gusts, creating illusions, and moving really fast. Creating a MOON is a rather big jump from what we've been shown. Even if it was the father of Chakra usage. That's DBZ levels of crazy power output. Anyway I'll drop it.

Yeah, but Rikudou had the power of all the bijuus when he created the moon so when translating over to DBZ that's like the power of Goku after absorbing all of the Dragon Balls.

[Sloth7d]

More around Master Roshi's level during the 22nd budokai lol. If you're worried about DBZ power levels, I wouldn't worry about that unless aliens show up in the future.

[YoungE808]

Haha Gai would own Roshi.

[Sloth7d]

When I see Gai blow up a moon, I'll buy that.

[carrrnuttt]

When I see Gai blow up a moon, I'll buy that.

Yep.

Start at 1:33:

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Also, he's been shown to be able to catch individual bullets fired at him from a machine gun, early on in Dragonball, so he definitely has bullet-time speed.

[YoungE808]

Where's the Naruto thread at?

[Sloth7d]

So who thinks the jutsu Madara's using is Kamui?

[YoungE808]

That's what I thought which feeds into the Madara/Obito thing which makes me believe that if he hadn't been killed, Obito would have been the greatest Uchiha of all time. It is plausible as Danzo could use his manipulation technique that Shisui used to use without utilizing Mangekyo.

Next chapter is Bee vs Kisame.

[YoungE808]

That's what I'm thinking. It feeds into the Madara/Obito theory which gives me reason to believe that if he hadn't been killed, Obito would have been the greatest Uchiha of all time. It is plausible to still use Kamui without utilizing the Mangekyo since Danzo can still use Shisui's manipulation technique with just the three tomoe.

Next chapter is Bee vs Kisame.

[Sloth7d]

The only thing on the whole Obito thing is, why does the guy think he's Madara? And why is he evil?

Awesome that we finally get to see what Kisame can finaly do at full power, though I'm afraid my favorite rapper might be going down.:csad:

[oakzap425]

why do you think that this space/time justu Madara is using is Kamui?

Kakashi also has kamui, so wouldn't he have picked up on that by now>?

Also, I'd be pretty disappointed if Madara=obito. At this poitn, considering how many times Kakashi has had contact with Tobi/Madara, some hints or clues or a reveal should have happened by now.

[uchiha_itachi]

wait have i missed a chapter?? Kisame aint been in it for ages? and whats kamui??

Edit: never mind on the obito/madara/Kamui thing lol

It would make sense though...the way It looks when Tobi uses it looks exactly the same as when kakashi uses it. but why would the technique be exclusive to the sharigan user?

[YoungE808]

why do you think that this space/time justu Madara is using is Kamui?

Kakashi also has kamui, so wouldn't he have picked up on that by now>?

Also, I'd be pretty disappointed if Madara=obito. At this poitn, considering how many times Kakashi has had contact with Tobi/Madara, some hints or clues or a reveal should have happened by now.

1) Because the way he sucked Sasuke into another dimension resembled Kakashi's Kamui.

2) I'm pretty sure that the Tobi/Madara/Obito theory isn't that Obito is masquerading as Madara, it's simply Madara (who is incomplete; a shell of his former self as Itachi put it) using Obito's body somehow.

[Trainwreck2100]

looks like we finally get to see what killer bee is made of

[X-Ray]

looks like we finally get to see what killer bee is made of

**** that! We get to see what an all out Kisame is made off.

I predict ...

that the master, that's training Bee, will jump in and give Bee time to retreat after getting his ass handed to him by Kisame. No way Kisame or Bee die. Bee can die after he meets and teaches Naruto a few tricks.

oh yah ...

It sucks to be Danzou. :oldrazz: You know he's probably going to have his ROOT members set up outside Konoha or Fire Country to prevent any sort of messenger from entering Konoha to deliver the news of his epic fail.

[Sloth7d]

I doubt Bee will "get his ass handed to him", the guy is ridiculously strong, but no doubt Samehada's chakra absorption tech., combined with the fact that Bee doesn't have his lightning blades on him, gives Kisame an overwhelming advantage.
Sucks that we'll have to wait two weeks for this to start up.

[mfbtl]

I think X ray is dead on about the Kisame Killer Bee match

[Marvin]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/414/04/

this pretty much says it all.

moreover, KB already won match, now it's kisame's turn.
note the brief into/legitimazation he got from that kid.

[Colossal Spoons]

Kisame vs Hachibi

It's like my dream fight :D