Best Punk Band!!!(since the 90s)

[NOFX]

I wouldnt sure which forum to put this in. Oh well tell me what you guys think???

[Alf]

l like Green Day best outta them....

[NOFX]

Kool Same Here even though my avatar is NOFX.

[Bathrat]

Of those choices, Bad Religion is probably the most influential.

[Spider-Nerd]

the offspring.

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Bathrat
Of those choices, Bad Religion is probably the most influential.
Who the hell did they influence???:confused: No offense bathrat

[NOFX]

Green Day Influence every single pop punk band today!!!

[Bathrat]

Originally posted by NOFX
Who the hell did they influence???:confused: No offense bathrat are you kidding me?

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Bathrat
are you kidding me?
No im not. They didnt even start teen boppers revolution!!!:D
Green Day and Blink 182 did!!! :D

[Bathrat]

Originally posted by NOFX
No im not. They didnt even start teen boppers revolution!!!:D
Green Day and Blink 182 did!!! :D do you think punk bands are defined by teen boppers?

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Bathrat
do you think punk bands are defined by teen boppers?
Yes!!! This generations at least :D Teen Boppers are freaking taking over!!! :D If you cant beat him join him:D

[Slipknot]

Punk is almost as bad as rap.

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Slipknot
Punk is almost as bad as rap.
And this is coming from a guy who listens to giberish...:mad:

[Bathrat]

Originally posted by Slipknot
Punk is almost as bad as rap. I feel the same way, but know enough about it to say that Bad Religion is one of the most important bands to that genre.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by NOFX
And this is coming from a guy who listens to giberish...:mad:
Lol.

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Bathrat
Bad Religion is one of the most important bands to that genre.
Yes important but not influential :D

[Clerk]

Offspring mother !!!!er.:mad:

[Spider-Nerd]

i don't really consider the offspring punk though........

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Clerk
Offspring mother !!!!er.:mad:
You sure you wanna HIT THAT!!! CLERK:mad:

[JackBauer]

Rancid gets my vote. And Out Come The Wolves is without a doubt one of the best albums of the 90's...

[Spider-Nerd]

Originally posted by Bloody Mary
Spider-Nerd, turn in the freaking answers u said thursday, but okay:(

[NOFX]

Originally posted by JackBauer
Rancid gets my vote. And Out Come The Wolves is without a doubt one of the best albums of the 90's...
Totally agree!!! :D That and Dookie are my fav Punk albums of ALl time!!! :D I Dont know why Green Day Or Rancid havent tour together yet hmmm...

[Jehuty]

Originally posted by Slipknot
Punk is almost as bad as rap. Low blow...

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by X-man32
Low blow...
I should have rephrased it, TO ME punk is almost as bad as rap.

[Clerk]

Originally posted by Spider-Nerd
i don't really consider the offspring punk though........

Who cares, they kick all those option's asses.:mad:

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Slipknot
I should have rephrased it
You should :mad:

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Clerk
Who cares, they kick all those option's asses.:mad:
How can they kick ass they have LOW SELF ESTEEM!!!:D

[Spider-Phoenix]

what ive heard of AFI's previous CD's they were punk... this new stuff isnt though...

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Spider-Phoenix
what ive heard of AFI's previous CD's they were punk... this new stuff isnt though...
Your trying to tell me that GIRLS NOT FREAKING GREY is not a Punk Song!!!:mad:

[Hooligan32]

Rancid, Bad Religion and NOFX are the only punk bands in that poll and even they are starting to go pop.

Punk is not a sound, it's a statement.

[NOFX]

No Punk is selling seats, shirts, cds, and Sex these days!!!

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Bloody Mary
avril lavigne
Oh please!!! Now thats going to Far!!!:mad:

[NOFX]

To Bloody Mary: WTF how you get over 4 thousands posts in two months!!! Man You must have no FREAKING LIFE!!! no offense:D

[Los Springsteen]

Rancid.

Without a doubt.

[cyborg ninja 14]

The Offspring.

[the defenders]

Get TMOB in here please
Those mostly suck
Leftover Crack isn't bad
Jello Biafra still owns you all
I like old punk better
Before it died
Oh Against Me! is really good

[Brodie Bruce]

Offspring and Green day. Also, Blink, at times.

[NOFX]

Originally posted by the defenders
Get TMOB in here please
Those mostly suck
Leftover Crack isn't bad
Jello Biafra still owns you all
I like old punk better
Before it died
Oh Against Me! is really good
Im thinking of doing a thread for each decade.

[Shyair]

Bad Religion , NOFX and AFI make my punk condom burst with woo berries and glee.

[The Amazing Lee]

I can't decide between 3 of them. So I'll say my three favourite in no particular order:

-Blink 182

-The Offspring

-Green Day

(I've seen Blink 182 in concert and Offspring, They rocked!! :D)

[WEB OF SPIDEY]

I like Good Charlotte myself

[danger]

i'd have to say AFI by far, theyre a punk band with actual musicians, they dont just use g,c,d power chords in all of their songs like most of those bands you have up there. theyve totally redefined the punk genre, wait, no, now i wouldnt even consider them in the punk genre anymore, theyre in a league of their own.
each person in the band is incredibly talented at what they do. btw, i dont know why the hell you have simple plan and good charlotte up there, they're just boy bands capitalizing on the recent popularity surge of the whole 'punk rock fad'.

[Hooligan32]

Originally posted by NOFX
Your trying to tell me that GIRLS NOT FREAKING GREY is not a Punk Song!!!:mad: It's not a punk song at all.

[black_dust]

Offspring are on of my Fav bands but AFI wins it :D

Even tho i would vote for boysetsfire it it were there

afionline.co.uk

[guitarsingerguy]

Originally posted by NOFX
Who the hell did they influence???:confused: No offense bathrat

Every band influences someone in one way or another. They wouldn't be around if they didn't.

[NOFX]

Originally posted by danger
i'd have to say AFI by far, theyre a punk band with actual musicians, they dont just use g,c,d power chords in all of their songs like most of those bands you have up there. theyve totally redefined the punk genre, wait, no, now i wouldnt even consider them in the punk genre anymore, theyre in a league of their own.
each person in the band is incredibly talented at what they do. btw, i dont know why the hell you have simple plan and good charlotte up there, they're just boy bands capitalizing on the recent popularity surge of the whole 'punk rock fad'.
I agree that AFI is in a league of their own :D I had simple Plan And Good Charlotte on because i wanted to know if anyone would admit their actually Teennie Bopper !!! :mad:

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Hooligan32
It's not a punk song at all.

:up:
punk is dead my friends
It's so MTV-ised now that being called a "punk" isn't a bad thing any more. It get's me really mad that people know Green Day but not

-Stiff Little Fingers
-New York Dolls
-Velvet Underground
-Damned
-Buzzc0cks
-Dead Kennedys
-UK Subs
and so many more
I don't want to be called a "punk" and I find it insulting to me musical integrity to be called one. It just another corporate prison made by big record companies to sell records. Listen my friends, if your a true punk...why do you label yourself as one. Labels are for the corporate whores. AFI isn't punk and never will be. They are just more of the corporate whore punks that are the rage at record companies. Go inject some herion and die please-good charlotte, sum-41, AFI, Simple Plan, Blink182, all american rejects....ect.....ect.....ect. Thanks for your time and **** off

[black_dust]

You missed of TSOL wouldn`t have the offspring if it wasn`t for them, which would follow to... we wouldn`t have AFI :D

[the defenders]

I missed a ton

-Richard Hell
-Wesley Willis
-Johnny Thunders
there's to many to name all

[NOFX]

Originally posted by black_dust
You missed of TSOL wouldn`t have the offspring if it wasn`t for them, which would follow to... we wouldn`t have AFI :D
I liked TSOL. :D I know they INfluenced The Offspring. But this topic is Who's the best punk band of the 90s!!! Didnt like the singer of TSOL ran for president or something??? :confused:

[NOFX]

Originally posted by the defenders
:up:
punk is dead my friends
It's so MTV-ised now that being called a "punk" isn't a bad thing any more. It get's me really mad that people know Green Day but not

-Stiff Little Fingers
-New York Dolls
-Velvet Underground
-Damned
-Buzzc0cks
-Dead Kennedys
-UK Subs
and so many more
I don't want to be called a "punk" and I find it insulting to me musical integrity to be called one. It just another corporate prison made by big record companies to sell records. Listen my friends, if your a true punk...why do you label yourself as one. Labels are for the corporate whores. AFI isn't punk and never will be. They are just more of the corporate whore punks that are the rage at record companies. Go inject some herion and die please-good charlotte, sum-41, AFI, Simple Plan, Blink182, all american rejects....ect.....ect.....ect. Thanks for your time and **** off
Hey I love the Buzz!!!!!!!! :D There the reason why Green Day became what they are today!!! as for the reason why they werent up on the polls This is Who's the best Punk Band IN THE 90S!!! :D Im thinking of making another topic the Most underrated bands of all time??? what do you guys think???

[Alf]

Originally posted by the defenders
:up:
punk is dead my friends
It's so MTV-ised now that being called a "punk" isn't a bad thing any more. It get's me really mad that people know Green Day but not

-Stiff Little Fingers
-New York Dolls
-Velvet Underground
-Damned
-Buzzc0cks
-Dead Kennedys
-UK Subs
and so many more
I don't want to be called a "punk" and I find it insulting to me musical integrity to be called one. It just another corporate prison made by big record companies to sell records. Listen my friends, if your a true punk...why do you label yourself as one. Labels are for the corporate whores. AFI isn't punk and never will be. They are just more of the corporate whore punks that are the rage at record companies. Go inject some herion and die please-good charlotte, sum-41, AFI, Simple Plan, Blink182, all american rejects....ect.....ect.....ect. Thanks for your time and **** off or maybe people like greenday more than them? l personally like greenday more than alla them...:up:

Listen my friends, if your a true punk...why do you label yourself as one. Labels are for the corporate whores.

isnt that labeling them?:confused:
arent you labeling good charlotte as corporate whore punks?

:confused:

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Alf
or maybe people like greenday more than them? l personally like greenday more than alla them...:up:

Listen my friends, if your a true punk...why do you label yourself as one. Labels are for the corporate whores.

isnt that labeling them?:confused:
arent you labeling good charlotte as corporate whore punks?

:confused:
Isnt the Song Minority by Green Day A text book definition of what Being A PUnk Is All About!!! :D

[DBM]

Originally posted by Hooligan32
Rancid, Bad Religion and NOFX are the only punk bands in that poll and even they are starting to go pop.

Punk is not a sound, it's a statement.

Amen.


Most of the bands in this poll aren't even punk at all. They're pop or alt rock trying to pass themselves off as punk. I like all of the bands listed but it disgusts me that people don't know the difference between these bands and real punk.



My favorite Punk bands: Blowtorch Betty and Butt Trumpet.

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Alf
or maybe people like greenday more than them? l personally like greenday more than alla them...:up:

Listen my friends, if your a true punk...why do you label yourself as one. Labels are for the corporate whores.

isnt that labeling them?:confused:
arent you labeling good charlotte as corporate whore punks?

:confused:

Okay... well....ummm......they are......shut up. Just love the music. I have NO problem with a band like Rancid. Good Charlotte are sell-outs. I dont see SUM-41 as sellouts because they never preached against big record companies. But GC were all anti-sellout but now they play for adoring teeny boppers. I'm just trying to say that punk has lost it's way. Man.....you like ...Green Day more than Dead kennedys and the Damned.....wow....oh well....i can't say i hate Greenday. But they did start this crap. Punk is dead IMO. I doubt any of you agree with me.

[Alf]

Originally posted by the defenders
Okay... well....ummm......they are......shut up. Just love the music. I have NO problem with a band like Rancid. Good Charlotte are sell-outs. I dont see SUM-41 as sellouts because they never preached against big record companies. But GC were all anti-sellout but now they play for adoring teeny boppers. I'm just trying to say that punk has lost it's way. Man.....you like ...Green Day more than Dead kennedys and the Damned.....wow....oh well....i can't say i hate Greenday. But they did start this crap. Punk is dead IMO. I doubt any of you agree with me. do you consider punk a type of music, or a "statement"?

[the defenders]

It's both. I don't like genres...i prefer to hear things without hating them because of a name.

[Erundur]

Good Charlotte :o


Actually it's Green Day but meh

[Brodie Bruce]

The Clash are teh bst though ,Hands down.

[Cyclops]

I'm partial to The Hives myself, so "other".

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Cyclops
I'm partial to The Hives myself, so "other".
Their not a Punk Band!!! :confused:

[NOFX]

Originally posted by the defenders
Okay... well....ummm......they are......shut up. Just love the music. I have NO problem with a band like Rancid. Good Charlotte are sell-outs. I dont see SUM-41 as sellouts because they never preached against big record companies. But GC were all anti-sellout but now they play for adoring teeny boppers. I'm just trying to say that punk has lost it's way. Man.....you like ...Green Day more than Dead kennedys and the Damned.....wow....oh well....i can't say i hate Greenday. But they did start this crap. Punk is dead IMO. I doubt any of you agree with me.
I agree with some your views but Punk is alive!!! :D Just check out any garage band in Oakland!!!:D Just because their not known to the Public Doesnt mean they dont exist. The Casualties!!! Freakind Rock!!! The Bouncing Souls!!! Dropkick Murphys!!! Pennywise!!! I can go on but you get my point!!!

[Ben Urich]

blink-182

[Ben Urich]

Originally posted by Erundur
Good Charlotte :o



:mad:
They aren'te ven !!!!ing punk, they're pop, just because they sell their !!!! at Hot Topic doesn't make them punk rock at all.
That's a band I can't stand. I mean, them and a Simple Plan, calling themselves punk and being trendy when that's the very antithesis of what punk rock is.
!!!!ers. The whole lot of them.

[Sandman138]

Of any of those listed, only Rancid is even punk. The rest is just mainstream alternitive rock. I voted other, because in my opinion, there hasn't been a good punk band since the eighties. I'd say the closest thing to a good punk band these days (excluding the greats that are still around like The Damned) are some of the Garage Rock bands like White Stripes and The Hives.

[Sandman138]

Oh... I did forget two insanely good punk bands. Flogging Molly and The Dropkick Murphys.

[Ben Urich]

Originally posted by Sandman138
... The rest is just mainstream alternitive rock ...

I agree... to an extent.
I think blink-182 qualifies as punk simply because of their earlier work. With their self-titled album and their "new direction" they certainly don't have that punk element anymore, but they were punk, and that's why I think they deserve consideration. And my vote.

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Ben Urich
:mad:
They aren'te ven !!!!ing punk, they're pop, just because they sell their !!!! at Hot Topic doesn't make them punk rock at all.
That's a band I can't stand. I mean, them and a Simple Plan, calling themselves punk and being trendy when that's the very antithesis of what punk rock is.
!!!!ers. The whole lot of them.
So your saying Blink Is Punk But Simple Plan and Good Charlotte Isnt??? :confused: Explain please. :D

[Sandman138]

Originally posted by NOFX
Their not a Punk Band!!! :confused:

They are. They are the punk that came out of bands like The Velvet Underground and The Clash. They can be called Garage Rock but you can't say they aren't connected to punk rock.

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Sandman138
Oh... I did forget two insanely good punk bands. Flogging Molly and The Dropkick Murphys.
Hell Yeah Irish Punk Rock Freaking Rules!!! :D Even Though im asian. They probably Crucify My ASS!!! :D

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Sandman138
They are. They are the punk that came out of bands like The Velvet Underground and The Clash. They can be called Garage Rock but you can't say they aren't connected to punk rock.
From That StandPoint I agree. :)

[Ben Urich]

Originally posted by NOFX
So your saying Blink Is Punk But Simple Plan and Good Charlotte Isnt??? :confused: Explain please. :D

It's lost on you? :confused:
A Simple Plan and Good Charlotte could, as PLAS said a while ago in some other thread, merge into A Simple Charlotte or A Good Plan and no one would notice. They aren't anything special and they appeal to more mainstream tastes.
While the latter could be applied to blink-182, the fact that they were, at one point, the embodiment of everything punk still has to stand for something, especially when compared to those other bands.

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Ben Urich
It's lost on you? :confused:
A Simple Plan and Good Charlotte could, as PLAS said a while ago in some other thread, merge into A Simple Charlotte or A Good Plan and no one would notice. They aren't anything special and they appeal to more mainstream tastes.
While the latter could be applied to blink-182, the fact that they were, at one point, the embodiment of everything punk still has to stand for something, especially when compared to those other bands.
So your saying because Blink has one so called punk album their still PUNK??? :(

[Ben Urich]

Originally posted by NOFX
So your saying because Blink has one so called punk album their still PUNK??? :(

Dude.
They have Cheshire Cat, Buddha, and Dude Ranch.
That's 3 albums.
Then they shifted into more mainstream with Enema of the State, and now they've matured and done some more mellow stuff with the self-titled disc.

[Sandman138]

Originally posted by the defenders
Get TMOB in here please
Those mostly suck
Leftover Crack isn't bad
Jello Biafra still owns you all
I like old punk better
Before it died
Oh Against Me! is really good

Wow someboy else around here knows Left Over Crack? Damn. Damn skipy Biafra owns all. Punk was a part of the seventies and eighties. People are too complient these days to be punks. It's stupid to think of these bands as punk since punk was a reaction to corporate rock and disco... all of those bands ARE corporate rock and played at dance parties along with YMCA. You can't say that the meaning behind punk has changed... that would be like calling George H. Bush a hippy because the hippy movement has become about bringing on nuclear holocaust in the nineties.

[Sandman138]

Originally posted by Alf
do you consider punk a type of music, or a "statement"?

Well even if it was only a style of music, none of these bands fit the critea. All of their music is overproduced and sounds like it was recorded in a high tech studio rather than a !!!! hole in the wall. The play way too clean and polished. and has far too much harmony to be punk.

[Alf]

Originally posted by Sandman138
Well even if it was only a style of music, none of these bands fit the critea. All of their music is overproduced and sounds like it was recorded in a high tech studio rather than a !!!! hole in the wall. The play way too clean and polished. and has far too much harmony to be punk. yeah, l realize this...but, if your just calling it music its alot harder to say its "dead"...:o

[Hooligan32]

Social Distortion mother !!!!ers!!!!!!!!!!!!

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Sandman138
Wow someboy else around here knows Left Over Crack? Damn. Damn skipy Biafra owns all. Punk was a part of the seventies and eighties. People are too complient these days to be punks. It's stupid to think of these bands as punk since punk was a reaction to corporate rock and disco... all of those bands ARE corporate rock and played at dance parties along with YMCA. You can't say that the meaning behind punk has changed... that would be like calling George H. Bush a hippy because the hippy movement has become about bringing on nuclear holocaust in the nineties.

:up: Hey anyway....your on aim alot man! Just your always not there:(. We gots to talk music more. Didn't know you knew the Crizzack

[akut401]

rancid and green day

[akut401]

Originally posted by Sandman138
Oh... I did forget two insanely good punk bands. Flogging Molly and The Dropkick Murphys.

:up: :up: :up:

[the defenders]

Sandman and I agree on all of this. He's just better at explaining it. BTW The clash= the best band ever IMO

[akut401]

the truth is today people classify punk as plaid and safety pins and wristbands with skulls and spikes on them....its not how you look, its the music....Avril Lavigne wasnt punk cause she wore a plaid tie, and Good Charlotte wasnt punk because one of the dudes had Liberty Spikes....the music changes though. Punk isnt necessarily 3 chords and fast playing, but it isnt Good Charlotte, Simple Plan, Blink 182 and AFI. Call that !!!! something else. Dont tell me their in the same category as Dead Kennedys and Black Flag, cause then youre breaking my heart.

[Themanofbat]

Why is Bad Religion even on that list? Other than "Against the Grain" (and I'm iffy on that one), most of the stuff they put out in the 90's was garbage. Their first album, "How Could Hell Get Any Worse", came out in 1981, then they had that funny "Into the Unknown" ep, quickly followed by the "Back to the Known" ep (some great songs on that one), and then followed (in my opinion) their two best albums; 1988's "Suffer" & 1989's "No Control".

That above list seems like a bad college rock radio deejay's "Look at me, I'm a post card punk" list... :rolleyes:

Some of the better bands to come out of the 90's were the Devil Dogs, the Black Halos, the New Bomb Turks (the early stuff) & the DropKick Murphys.

I admit to being "out of the loop" these days, but there's not much new & exciting in punk rock these days.

And for the record, punk is all about attitude.

Bands like the Pogues, the Specials, DEVO, Discharge, the Toy Dolls, the Dead Boys, the Cramps, the Damned, Social Distortion.... bands of varying sounds, yet all considered punk by those who know music.

:)

[The Evolutionist]

A.F.I. is definitely the most Talented on that list...

[akut401]

disagree. Id pick a couple on that list before AFI.

[SHELBY_LOWRIE]

top three in no order
rancid
bad religion
nofx

[SHELBY_LOWRIE]

Originally posted by Sandman138
Well even if it was only a style of music, none of these bands fit the critea. All of their music is overproduced and sounds like it was recorded in a high tech studio rather than a !!!! hole in the wall. The play way too clean and polished. and has far too much harmony to be punk.

minor threat played fast as hell, sounded great and were one of the most influencial punks out there. save for the ramones.

[NOFX]

What In the 90s you guys dont understand??? Hell i know there are better bands in 70s and 80s then they are now. There are a whole new crop of punks bands that have attitude and that dont give a F**k about selling Records like The Used, The Suicide Machines, Less than Jake, Face to Face, Rufio, Glassjaw, STUN, Swingin Utters, Lagwagon, Mest, Etc... Go to the Freaking Warped tour Guys. Its freaking Rules!!!!

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by NOFX
What In the 90s you guys dont understand??? Hell i know there are better bands in 70s and 80s then they are now. There are a whole new crop of punks bands that have attitude and that dont give a F**k about selling Records like The Used, The Suicide Machines, Less than Jake, Face to Face, Rufio, Glassjaw, STUN, Swingin Utters, Lagwagon, Mest, Etc... Go to the Freaking Warped tour Guys. Its freaking Rules!!!!

I went to the Warped Tour in 97....

The only bands I liked were Social Distortion & the Descendants. :)

The rest were rather blah.....

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Themanofbat
I went to the Warped Tour in 97....

The only bands I liked were Social Distortion & the Descendants. :)

The rest were rather blah.....
That was like what 3 years before any good bands actully signed up on that bill!!! :D

[Themanofbat]

;)

[danger]

Originally posted by TheEvolutionist
A.F.I. is definitely the most Talented on that list...
i totally agree, so what if they dont have the attitude, and so what if theyre straight edge, i dont really consider them punk. hell, i dont even like punk. i just care about good music, and thats what they make, every guy in that band is incredible at what they do, and they prove it with the original and innovative sounds they come out with time and time again.

[NOFX]

Originally posted by danger
i totally agree, so what if they dont have the attitude, and so what if theyre straight edge, i dont really consider them punk. hell, i dont even like punk. i just care about good music, and thats what they make, every guy in that band is incredible at what they do, and they prove it with the original and innovative sounds they come out with time and time again.
Totally agree. :D I just love there pop sensibility :cool:

[Sandman138]

Originally posted by the defenders
Sandman and I agree on all of this. He's just better at explaining it. BTW The clash= the best band ever IMO

Not the best band... just... wait for it... THE ONLY BAND THAT MATTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad: :mad: :D

[Sandman138]

Originally posted by SHELBY_LOWRIE
minor threat played fast as hell, sounded great and were one of the most influencial punks out there. save for the ramones.

Yes, but they were in the eighties.

[Sandman138]

Originally posted by Themanofbat
And for the record, punk is all about attitude.

This sums it up. Punk is all about giving a big !!!! YOU to anything that moves. It's about the kids that were the !!!! of society so they became rock stars. These bands come from places like Orange County... they don't know the first thing about attitude. They are a bunch of brats from the Inland Empire that got what they have by brown nosing. That's about as far as you can get from punk. I remember Pennywise played at Warp Tour and the front man said something like "This next song is towards President Bush because in my opinion he needs to shape up a bit." this is punk to you people? Punk is not that !!!!ing polite or PC! Punk is raw, in your face, and obnoxious. !!!!ing trendy teeny morons.:mad:

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Sandman138
This sums it up. Punk is all about giving a big !!!! YOU to anything that moves. It's about the kids that were the !!!! of society so they became rock stars. These bands come from places like Orange County... they don't know the first thing about attitude. They are a bunch of brats from the Inland Empire that got what they have by brown nosing. That's about as far as you can get from punk.
Dude Do you even know where the INLAND EMPIRE IS??? :confused: :mad: Were not a bunch spoiled brats. Thats the OC. Man I had save up to be poor!!! So what you talking about!!! :D

[Achilles]

First of all this poll is ridiculous, most of those bands DIDNT EVEN COME OUT IN THE 90's!!!!!!! Half the bands started in the 80's for God's sake. So this poll is crap from the get go!

[Achilles]

Originally posted by NOFX
I Dont know why Green Day Or Rancid havent tour together yet hmmm...

YOU IDIOT!!! They have toured together, way back in the day!!! I'm talking like '91 or so

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Achilles
YOU IDIOT!!! They have toured together, way back in the day!!! I'm talking like '91 or so
Thats was operation IVY you idiot!!! :D :mad:

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Achilles
First of all this poll is ridiculous, most of those bands DIDNT EVEN COME OUT IN THE 90's!!!!!!! Half the bands started in the 80's for God's sake. So this poll is crap from the get go!
Sure most of these bands started in the 80s but didnt reach their prime until the 90s. Gets your facts straight Dude!!! :D

[SpideyInATree]

Offspring and Green Day are off the chains. I'm not really into punk. You shouldn't even have Good Charlotte on there, they are pop. I don't care what anybody says.

[NOFX]

Originally posted by SpideyInATree
Offspring and Green Day are off the chains.
What do you mean off the Chain??? :confused: You mean not on the radio anymore or mtv???

[Rob Lobo]

Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Bad Religion owns
i go for proto-punk like David Bowie, Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers, Iggy Pop.

then the real punk (70s-80s) like The Ramones,The Clash etc.

more to come.

[Brodie Bruce]

Originally posted by Sandman138
Oh... I did forget two insanely good punk bands. Flogging Molly and The Dropkick Murphys.

I love the Dropkick Murphey's. Every song is fab.

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Rob Lobo

i go for proto-punk like David Bowie, Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers,
WTF!!! :confused:

[Alf]

Originally posted by NOFX
What do you mean off the Chain??? :confused: You mean not on the radio anymore or mtv??? lol

off the chain is some rap term....l think:oor it was originally...

means like...really good l guesS:o

[Achilles]

Originally posted by NOFX
Thats was operation IVY you idiot!!! :D :mad:

YOU IDIOT!!! That was RANCID, not OP IVY! YOU IDIOT!!!

[Achilles]

Originally posted by NOFX
Sure most of these bands started in the 80s but didnt reach their prime until the 90s. Gets your facts straight Dude!!! :D

My facts are straight, a lot of those bands started in the 80's, and for the record some of them were better off then anyway, YOU IDIOT!!!

[Achilles]

...idiot...?

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Achilles
My facts are straight, a lot of those bands started in the 80's, and for the record some of them were better off then anyway, YOU IDIOT!!!
Name A band that a released a good record in the 80s??? :mad: There arent any!!! Green Day first good album was Kerplunk 92
Offspring was smash in 94, Nofx was a bean, etc.. was like in the early 90s i forget. Rancid best album was out come the wolves in 95, AFI best album is their major album debut sing the sorrow!!!. The only exception is Bad Religion. I cant even think of any of their albums in the 80s. So get your facts striaght idiot. :D I've given you Proof!!! Where's Yours!!!! :D

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Rob Lobo
Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Bad Religion owns
i go for proto-punk like David Bowie, Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers, Iggy Pop.

then the real punk (70s-80s) like The Ramones,The Clash etc.

more to come.

WTF??
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers?
That makes no sense whatsoever. They aren't associated with punk in any way.

BTW NOFX Dead kennedys, black flag, minor threat, fugazi, dead milkmen, clash, ramones, and lou reed all released awesome albums in the 80's

[Sandman138]

Originally posted by NOFX
Dude Do you even know where the INLAND EMPIRE IS??? :confused: :mad: Were not a bunch spoiled brats. Thats the OC. Man I had save up to be poor!!! So what you talking about!!! :D

Yes I do. I go to school in Idyllwild and have to deal with idiots from Riverside all the time. It makes me !!!!ing sick. Suburban white trash.

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Sandman138
Yes I do. I go to school in Idyllwild and have to deal with idiots from Riverside all the time. It makes me !!!!ing sick. Suburban white trash.
I feel sorry for you!!! :D Im from Ontario so its not that bad!!! :D

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Sandman138
Yes I do. I go to school in Idyllwild and have to deal with idiots from Riverside all the time. It makes me !!!!ing sick. Suburban white trash.
And Suburban white trash is what made this country great!!! :D So what you talking about!!! :D

[Rob Lobo]

it was the real punk, it's call proto punk. learn the history of music first.

[Rob Lobo]

i'm sorry, what i meant is it was before the real punk (punk rock), it's call proto-punk.

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by the defenders
WTF??
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers?
That makes no sense whatsoever. They aren't associated with punk in any way.

Back in MY day, when I first got into punk (early 1980), guys like David Bowie, Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers, were seen somewhat acceptingly in the punk/new wave circles.

I understand the David Bowie part, especially the way he performed in the early 70's, but I could never get the Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers part....

:confused:

I think a lot of punks were just getting confused with the real deal, Johnny Thunders & the Heartbreakers.

:up:

[Sarge]

Originally posted by Sandman138
Yes I do. I go to school in Idyllwild and have to deal with idiots from Riverside all the time. It makes me !!!!ing sick. Suburban white trash. I live in the suburbs :( But I was born in Philly, does that count for anything? :o

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by NOFX
Name A band that a released a good record in the 80s??? :mad: There arent any!!! Green Day first good album was Kerplunk 92
Offspring was smash in 94, Nofx was a bean, etc.. was like in the early 90s i forget. Rancid best album was out come the wolves in 95, AFI best album is their major album debut sing the sorrow!!!. The only exception is Bad Religion. I cant even think of any of their albums in the 80s. So get your facts striaght idiot. :D I've given you Proof!!! Where's Yours!!!! :D

All of Bad Religion's GOOD albums only came out in the 80's (see my first post one page 3)

Green Day never had a good album. Kerplunk is rather weak in my opinion, especially compared to their early singles, most notably "Slappy", which were very good.

Rancid's first album is ok, but I can't help but think of them as a second-ra.... no wait, a third-rate Operation Ivy.

And the Offspring's first album (the nameless one), sounds a LOT like early TSOL, and it was pretty good.

:)

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by Sandman138
This sums it up. Punk is all about giving a big !!!! YOU to anything that moves. It's about the kids that were the !!!! of society so they became rock stars. These bands come from places like Orange County... they don't know the first thing about attitude. They are a bunch of brats from the Inland Empire that got what they have by brown nosing. That's about as far as you can get from punk. I remember Pennywise played at Warp Tour and the front man said something like "This next song is towards President Bush because in my opinion he needs to shape up a bit." this is punk to you people? Punk is not that !!!!ing polite or PC! Punk is raw, in your face, and obnoxious. !!!!ing trendy teeny morons.:mad:

!!!! you..... :D :D :D

;)

[SpideyInATree]

Originally posted by NOFX
What do you mean off the Chain??? :confused: You mean not on the radio anymore or mtv???

Off The Chains = Really Cool or Totally Awesome or Radical or F**king Sweet or Totally Cool or Great or Neato...etc.

Green Day and Offspring are OFF THE CHAINS! :D

[NOFX]

Originally posted by SpideyInATree
Off The Chains = Really Cool or Totally Awesome or Radical or F**king Sweet or Totally Cool or Great or Neato...etc.

Green Day and Offspring are OFF THE CHAINS! :D
Oh i get it. :D sorry guys we dont say off the chains in CALI!!! :D

[SpideyInATree]

Originally posted by NOFX
Oh i get it. :D sorry guys we dont say off the chains in CALI!!! :D

Off the chains is my expression of the moment. It used to be, "Oh Snap!" but Off The Chains has caught my attention.

The Punisher is Off The Chains.

Kill Bill Volume 2, Not Off The Chains.

:o

[black_dust]

Originally posted by NOFX
I liked TSOL. :D I know they INfluenced The Offspring. But this topic is Who's the best punk band of the 90s!!! Didnt like the singer of TSOL ran for president or something??? :confused:

Yeah Jack Grisham But it was for governor of CA, dam that Arnie.

Im seeing NOFX in may And Tsunami Bomb in June

[Sandman138]

Originally posted by Themanofbat
!!!! you..... :D :D :D

;)

!!!! YOU:D

[the defenders]

How can you confuse Johnny Thunders and Tom Petty?

Btw I know my music history buddy. I am deeply into proto-punk like Velvet Underground, Stooges, New York Dolls, Stooges, and MC5. So don't preach to me about knowing my music. Maybe you should learn that Tom Petty sucks.

[Sandman138]

Originally posted by Sgt. Homestar
I live in the suburbs :( But I was born in Philly, does that count for anything? :o

It doesn't matter if you were born in the suburbs (I'm a suburban middle class kid) it matters if you fall into the suburban bull!!!!.

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by the defenders
How can you confuse Johnny Thunders and Tom Petty?

Btw I know my music history buddy. I am deeply into proto-punk like Velvet Underground, Stooges, New York Dolls, Stooges, and MC5. So don't preach to me about knowing my music. Maybe you should learn that Tom Petty sucks.

I didn't say that YOU specifically got Johnny Thunders & Tom Petty mixed up.... and I even said that a lot of punks were into Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers in the late 70's/very early 80's. But truth be told, there is no comparison between the two.

Johnny Thunders was Da Man!!!! :up: :up: :up:

...nothing against Tom Petty by that, it's just that Johnny Thunders was pretty damned great :)

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Sandman138
It doesn't matter if you were born in the suburbs (I'm a suburban middle class kid) it matters if you fall into the suburban bull!!!!.

Exactly
I'm in a slightly mroe rural area but I'n a middle class semi-suberban kid. I hate all these stupid kids in my school who give me !!!!! all the time because I'm not a little MTV clone. Also because my friends are geeks, nerds, ect.

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Themanofbat
I didn't say that YOU specifically got Johnny Thunders & Tom Petty mixed up.... and I even said that a lot of punks were into Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers in the late 70's/very early 80's. But truth be told, there is no comparison between the two.

Johnny Thunders was Da Man!!!! :up: :up: :up:

...nothing against Tom Petty by that, it's just that Johnny Thunders was pretty damned great :)

No someone back there got them mix up.
I like Richard Hell, Jello Biafra, and Joe Strummer moreso than Thunders when it comes to punk heavy hitters but Thunders was kickass.

[Themanofbat]

Suddenly, I feel like listening to some Television.

:)

[Themanofbat]

Stiv Bators (RIP) was great with a microphone as well.(with the exception of that awful third Lords of the New Church album with the lame Madonna cover :rolleyes: )

[neo9.0]

Punk sucks....retro forever.

[Sarge]

Originally posted by Sandman138
It doesn't matter if you were born in the suburbs (I'm a suburban middle class kid) it matters if you fall into the suburban bull!!!!. ok good :)

[DarkClown]

Originally posted by akut401
the truth is today people classify punk as plaid and safety pins and wristbands with skulls and spikes on them....its not how you look, its the music....Avril Lavigne wasnt punk cause she wore a plaid tie, and Good Charlotte wasnt punk because one of the dudes had Liberty Spikes....the music changes though. Punk isnt necessarily 3 chords and fast playing, but it isnt Good Charlotte, Simple Plan, Blink 182 and AFI. Call that !!!! something else. Dont tell me their in the same category as Dead Kennedys and Black Flag, cause then youre breaking my heart.

Well, while your absolutely right about punk not being about the image, its also not just about one type of sound. There are many variations of punk and just because not all punk bands today follow the blue print set by Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Sex Pistols and such, doesn't mean they're not punk. I agree about Good Charlotte, Blink 182 etc being sanatised for the mass audience but i dont think AFI fit into that category. Admitedly they've become more mainstream over the years, but their roots very much remain in that of punk, just a different sort of punk, bearing more in common to The Misfits than bands like Black Flag.

[Kessel Day]

i like offspring for overall good songs throughout their albums, but some of good charlotte's stuff has great humor. green day uses too many expletives for my taste.

[DDRSkata]

Originally posted by DarkClown
Well, while your absolutely right about punk not being about the image, its also not just about one type of sound. There are many variations of punk and just because not all punk bands today follow the blue print set by Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Sex Pistols and such, doesn't mean they're not punk. I agree about Good Charlotte, Blink 182 etc being sanatised for the mass audience but i dont think AFI fit into that category. Admitedly they've become more mainstream over the years, but their roots very much remain in that of punk, just a different sort of punk, bearing more in common to The Misfits than bands like Black Flag. Agreed. And a lot of changes occur with individual bands. AFI went from more of a traditional punk band to something more reminiscent of the Misfits. Sum41 is becoming more political and is on its way from being a socially charged pop-punk band to a politically charged punk band, which I think is great because I really like their music. But it pisses me off when little jackasses like Avril Lavigne compare themselves with the Sex Pistols, Ramones, Misfits, Dead Kennedys, Clash, etc., saying they're so much better than those "old guys." If Avril wants to be the new Sid Vicious so damn much, we should send her some heroin to overdose on.

[Kessel Day]

avril is definitely not punk. not to say that i don't like some of her songs, i do. she is more like punk-lite :) she doesn't have a hard enough edge to her.

[DDRSkata]

Originally posted by Kessel Day
avril is definitely not punk. not to say that i don't like some of her songs, i do. she is more like punk-lite :) she doesn't have a hard enough edge to her. It's not about the edginess. It's about the lyrics for the most part. She doesn't have the lyrics. She just wears a "punk" uniform, flicks off her fans because that's the "punk" thing to do, talks in interviews about how she doesn't care about her fans and they're only there to give her money, and compares herself to Sid Vicious. I don't give two squirts of piss about her music or her edginess. She ain't punk and she's a total *****.

[DarkClown]

Originally posted by Kessel Day
avril is definitely not punk. not to say that i don't like some of her songs, i do. she is more like punk-lite :) she doesn't have a hard enough edge to her.

She's not punk in the slightest. She's as manufactured as Britney Spears and other pop stars. The record industry recognised the growing success of rock/punk music among teens and tailored themselves an act to meet those demands and cash in on the fad. She acts like a punk and dresses in the way she does to create the persona expected of her for her to appeal to the kids.

[Mr. Fear]

Fix your list, 4 of the bands up their aren't punk. Green Day is the only good one from the 90's is Green Day, I've yet to hear Bad Religion, but I think they're pre-90's. The only good punk bands are the Sex Pistols and the Clash, Sonic Youth if you consider them punk too.

[DDRSkata]

Bad Religion is awesome. Anti-Flag and Propagandhi should be on the poll and Simple Plan, Blink, and GC shouldn't be up there at all.

[NOFX]

My plan has worked. I love Green Day, and Nofx. I just wanted to see people thrash bands like the Blink 182, and stupid Plan!!!!

[Backdrifter]

anyone ever heard of The Living End? yeah they are better than the crap choices up here.

[akut401]

Originally posted by Mr. Fear
The only good punk bands are the Sex Pistols and the Clash, Sonic Youth if you consider them punk too.

alot of people disagree with ya on that one, including me.

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Stewie Griffin
anyone ever heard of The Living End? yeah they are better than the crap choices up here.
The Living who :confused: Do you mean The Living Dead!!! :D That movie Kicks ASS!!!




J/k Society!!! Society!!! Society!!! :D

[Mr. Fear]

Originally posted by akut401
alot of people disagree with ya on that one, including me. If I agree will I be on your cool list?

[Rayne]

They're not true punk, but not many have heard of this band, but I think they're excellent. Check out Matchbook Romance. Their album is very very good.

[Achilles]

Originally posted by DDRSkata
Bad Religion is awesome. Anti-Flag and Propagandhi should be on the poll and Simple Plan, Blink, and GC shouldn't be up there at all.

Anti-Flag and Propaghandi are the two !!!!tiest bands known to earth

[DDRSkata]

Originally posted by Achilles
Anti-Flag and Propaghandi are the two !!!!tiest bands known to earth Meh. To each his own. :)

[akut401]

Originally posted by Mr. Fear
If I agree will I be on your cool list?

agreeing with me isnt cool enough, you gotta do somethin better than that....

[Oakley]

Aren't some of these groups mere rip offs of others?

[Achilles]

Originally posted by DDRSkata
Meh. To each his own. :)

NO!!!! Your OPINION is WRONG!!!

[NOFX]

Originally posted by xrogue
Aren't some of these groups mere rip offs of others?
Well not Really. To me Green Day and Nofx are really the only original Bands on the lists!!! :D

[Kessel Day]

Originally posted by DDRSkata
It's not about the edginess. It's about the lyrics for the most part. She doesn't have the lyrics. She just wears a "punk" uniform, flicks off her fans because that's the "punk" thing to do, talks in interviews about how she doesn't care about her fans and they're only there to give her money, and compares herself to Sid Vicious. I don't give two squirts of piss about her music or her edginess. She ain't punk and she's a total *****.

i don't care about a performer's image or what they say about themselves. what i care about is whether i like their music and whether they are a talented performer.

maybe i was being a little generous with the punk-lite label with avril. some of her songs. i thought, were somewhat introspective and revealing (of her) but others seemed artificial and ready-made.

i guess by "edgy" i mean "real" - like deep emotions & truthful and perceptive statements.

[Rob Lobo]

NoFx - mere skatepunk
Green Day - pop punk
Offspring - Punk Revival
Bad Religion - LA Punk (classic band)
Simple Plan - ughh, stay away from punk if they have to
Good Charlotte - only the image & the lyrics, but the music is away out of punk
Blink 182 - just another pop punk, the early blink was better now is really down
Rancid - rarely listen to it but great mixture of punk rock & ska punk
AFI - never listen to it so no comment, just made a research about it and it falls to hardcore punk catagories but why they image looks gothic?

i'll tell my kind of punk

Shelter
Minor Threat
Fugazi
The Clash
Blood For Blood
Vitamin X
Glass Jaw
At The Drive In
Dead Kennedys
The Misfit (hardcore horror punk)
and more.

[DDRSkata]

Originally posted by akut401
agreeing with me isnt cool enough, you gotta do somethin better than that.... Wow, bro. I feel special, not being on the list when I SEE !!!!in' SPIDEY is on there...:( ;) :D

Just kiddin'. It's just a list. :)

[Achilles]

Hey, I SEE SPIDEY is a God amongst hypsters

[NOFX]

Green Day recorded The cover song I Fought The law By the Clash. It freaking kicks ASS!!! i suggest people to Download it!!!

[Hooligan32]

:rolleyes: God. You kids wouldn't know punk if it kicked you in the face. It's all pop nowadays.

[Sandman138]

Originally posted by NOFX
Green Day recorded The cover song I Fought The law By the Clash. It freaking kicks ASS!!! i suggest people to Download it!!!

It SUCKS it is an anal raping of The Clash's masterpeice. !!!! THEIR !!!!TY ASS COUNTRY HILLBILLY INBRED REDNECK !!!!!UCKING COVER. Get DK's cover instead.

[Hooligan32]

Originally posted by NOFX
Green Day recorded The cover song I Fought The law By the Clash. It freaking kicks ASS!!! i suggest people to Download it!!! Wow, green day is so talented. Why don't you download the original instead, is it not pop enough for you?

[Hooligan32]

Originally posted by Sandman138
It SUCKS it is an anal raping of The Clash's masterpeice. !!!! THEIR !!!!TY ASS COUNTRY HILLBILLY INBRED REDNECK !!!!!UCKING COVER. Get DK's cover instead. Or Mike Ness' cover. But the original is essential.

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by NOFX
Green Day recorded The cover song I Fought The law By the Clash. It freaking kicks ASS!!! i suggest people to Download it!!!

Listen to the ORIGINAL version of the song by Bobby Fuller. (late 1965)

It totally kicks ass. :up:

:)

[NOFX]

Damn you guys. I just mentioned this so i can keep this thread alive Geez. Here some history for you guys. When The Ramones was inducted to the Rock ANd Roll Hall of Fame, guess who they chose to play their Songs. Yep Yours Truly Green Day!!! The Clash and The Ramones Have high regard for Green Day. Wheater you like it or not.

[Sandman138]

Originally posted by Rob Lobo
i'll tell my kind of punk

Shelter
Minor Threat
Fugazi
The Clash
Blood For Blood
Vitamin X
Glass Jaw
At The Drive In
Dead Kennedys
The Misfit (hardcore horror punk)
and more.

Don't know Shelter
Minor Threat kicks all kinds of ass... but I actually consider them to be Emo along with Jawbreaker and Indian Summer
Fugazi is awesome just for the simple fact that they don't allow moshing at their shows... it's so funny
The Clash is THE ONLY BAND THAT MATTERS!!!:mad: We will miss you Joe Strummer... RIP.
Blood for Blood I don't know
Don't know Vitamin X
I don't like Glass Jaw... too wannabe metal head for me
At the Drive In was one of the greatest bands in recent history... too bad they broke up
CALIFORNIA... UBER ALLES... CALIFORNIA UUUBBBER ALLES.... UBER ALLES... CALIFORNIA... UBER ALLES CALIIIIFORNIAAAA!!!!:mad:
The Fits were awesome when they first broke on to the scene... Bullet and Static Age are all time classics. They are really sucking these days though. But I hear Danzig might be coming back and that would be too cool for even old school.
Samhein is great.
The Damned are one of the greatest bands on the planet.
Poisen the Well is pretty good.
Aus Rotton was amazing.

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by NOFX
Damn you guys. I just mentioned this so i can keep this thread alive Geez. Here some history for you guys. When The Ramones was inducted to the Rock ANd Roll Hall of Fame, guess who they chose to play their Songs. Yep Yours Truly Green Day!!! The Clash and The Ramones Have high regard for Green Day. Wheater you like it or not.

I don't have a problem with Green Day.

I just think that the "Slappy" single was the last great thing they put out, and they had one song on the album that came out after Dookie that had an exact riff to an old Discharge song.... Protest & Survive maybe?

And Bobby Fuller does the best version of I fought the Law. :up:

:)

[Themanofbat]

I will always have a soft spot in my heart for the Cramps.

Greatest band ever. :)

[Sandman138]

Originally posted by NOFX
Damn you guys. I just mentioned this so i can keep this thread alive Geez. Here some history for you guys. When The Ramones was inducted to the Rock ANd Roll Hall of Fame, guess who they chose to play their Songs. Yep Yours Truly Green Day!!! The Clash and The Ramones Have high regard for Green Day. Wheater you like it or not.

Yeah? Guess what? Idol worship don't come with the territory. The Clash like Greenday? Good, the two can go !!!! themselves for all I care.

[Sandman138]

Originally posted by Themanofbat
I don't have a problem with Green Day.

I just think that the "Slappy" single was the last great thing they put out, and they had one song on the album that came out after Dookie that had an exact riff to an old Discharge song.... Protest & Survive maybe?

And Bobby Fuller does the best version of I fought the Law. :up:

:)

I need to check that out. That song has gone around so many times I don't know who did it first.

[Sandman138]

Originally posted by Themanofbat
I will always have a soft spot in my heart for the Cramps.

Greatest band ever. :)

Good band. I love My TV Set. Still, I have to go with either The Clash, The Velvet Underground, or The Talking Heads for greatest band ever.

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Sandman138
Yeah? Guess what? Idol worship don't come with the territory. The Clash like Greenday? Good, the two can go !!!! themselves for all I care.
is that it? :confused: Thats your comeback Line? :mad: :D The New Punk Bands Love Green day like blink 182, Good Charlotte, and Simple Plan. While the OG like Elvis Costello, Tim Armstrong, The Ramones, The Clash, Etc... has Green Day In HIgh regard.

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by Sandman138
I need to check that out. That song has gone around so many times I don't know who did it first.

He released it around 1965.

His life story is quite interesting, especially his untimely demise, if you ever want to dig it up.

:)

[NOFX]

Oh yeah Bad religion, And Nofx too. Green Day told everyone its no big deal to sign to Major Label. They were the First Successful Sell Out Punk Band!!!

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by NOFX
Oh yeah Bad religion, And Nofx too. Green Day told everyone its no big deal to sign to Major Label. They were the First Successful Sell Out Punk Band!!!

Geeeeeeeeeeezzzz, you're getting a little defensive....

Relax.

:)

[NOFX]

Green day always stood for what they believed in no matter if people called them sell out, pop or whatever. Isnt Standing up for yourself, your ethics, your politics, the essence of Punk Rock???

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Themanofbat
Geeeeeeeeeeezzzz, you're getting a little defensive....

Relax.

:)
Oh Im not getting Defensive. :D Im just simply stating the Facts!!!:D

[Sandman138]

No... the essence of punk rock is !!!! YOU!:mad:

[NOFX]

Damn Right!!!

[Tukiluka]

It may have been said...so sorry...but Lars Frederiksens CD is good. :o

[Achilles]

The original version of "I fought the law" is my favorite as well, I love the old surfish feel it has to it.

And I think Green Day is better than all the other bands on the list, at least they realize that punk rock is a !!!!ing joke

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Achilles
The original version of "I fought the law" is my favorite as well, I love the old surfish feel it has to it.

And I think Green Day is better than all the other bands on the list, at least they realize that punk rock is a !!!!ing joke
Thank u Achilles. :D Damn did i just said That.:mad:

[Achilles]

hahaha I guess so. when will people learn, this whole "I KNOW WHAT PUNK IS! ITS AN ATTITUDE! ITS A WAY OF LIFE!!" learn? It's a stupid type of music for gods sake. And it promotes conformity, when it is supposed to be about doing your own thing. The only way you can be a true nonconformist is when you be yourself, not when you be a "punk."


That being said, I still enjoy some punk bands, I just dont take them too seriously.

[akut401]

Originally posted by Tukiluka
It may have been said...so sorry...but Lars Frederiksens CD is good. :o

Lars Frederiksen and the Bastards? Excellent CD.

[akut401]

Originally posted by Achilles
hahaha I guess so. when will people learn, this whole "I KNOW WHAT PUNK IS! ITS AN ATTITUDE! ITS A WAY OF LIFE!!" learn? It's a stupid type of music for gods sake. And it promotes conformity, when it is supposed to be about doing your own thing.

that can be said for a whole bunch of genres....

[the defenders]

I BLEW GEORGE AND HARVEY'S BRAINS OUT WITH MY SIX GUN!

btw greenday isn't that good no matter who( the clash included) likes them. Just because they covered a Ramones song horribly doesn't make them my kind of band. Little prissy people selling out stuff I love. Lou Reed should come and inject anti-freeze into them. *he shot up anti-freeze once and lived* then Iggy Pop and rape thier dead bodies for all i care.

[DDRSkata]

Originally posted by akut401
Lars Frederiksen and the Bastards? Excellent CD. Is it? I'd heard so before, but couldn't bring myself to buy it because my ex had an obsession with Lars that gives me issues with trying to listen to it. Plus, she listens to GC, which is negatively indicative of her taste in music. But if it's really good, I'll check it out.

[akut401]

Originally posted by DDRSkata
Is it? I'd heard so before, but couldn't bring myself to buy it because my ex had an obsession with Lars that gives me issues with trying to listen to it. Plus, she listens to GC, which is negatively indicative of her taste in music. But if it's really good, I'll check it out.

well i really dig lars voice, so if he really annoys ya, dont buy it....but other than that, there are a bunch of great songs on there, and you can prob pick it up cheap so i say go for it....

[Dorian Gray]

For me, Its between The Sex Pistols and Rancid, I haven't listen to that much punk music to know many bands.

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Tukiluka
It may have been said...so sorry...but Lars Frederiksens CD is good. :o
You guys ever heard of the Transplants!!! They Freaking Rule!!! :D

[Sandman138]

Originally posted by Dorian Grey
For me, Its between The Sex Pistols and Rancid, I haven't listen to that much punk music to know many bands.

I never really got the allure of the Sex Pistols. I mean, they don't really sound all that good to me compared to other punk bands that were around at the time. Holliday in the Sun is solid, but not much else is and alot of it sounds the same... they do a great cover of No Fun though. Rancid has nothing on Op Ivy.

[Sandman138]

Originally posted by Achilles
hahaha I guess so. when will people learn, this whole "I KNOW WHAT PUNK IS! ITS AN ATTITUDE! ITS A WAY OF LIFE!!" learn? It's a stupid type of music for gods sake. And it promotes conformity, when it is supposed to be about doing your own thing. The only way you can be a true nonconformist is when you be yourself, not when you be a "punk."


That being said, I still enjoy some punk bands, I just dont take them too seriously.

The music is fine. The culture is filled with a bunch of idiotic conformists these days. I have no problem with dying your hair or having a mohawk, unless your doing it to "go against the mainstream"... that's just stupid.

[Sandman138]

Originally posted by the defenders
I BLEW GEORGE AND HARVEY'S BRAINS OUT WITH MY SIX GUN!

btw greenday isn't that good no matter who( the clash included) likes them. Just because they covered a Ramones song horribly doesn't make them my kind of band. Little prissy people selling out stuff I love. Lou Reed should come and inject anti-freeze into them. *he shot up anti-freeze once and lived* then Iggy Pop and rape thier dead bodies for all i care.

I don't mind them all that much... they know they aren't really punk and I think the bassist called himself a sell out once. I have a problem with their stupid cult following and their !!!!!!! of a front man.

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Sandman138
I don't mind them all that much... they know they aren't really punk and I think the bassist called himself a sell out once. I have a problem with their stupid cult following and their !!!!!!! of a front man.
Which band are you refering too?? :confused:

[Sandman138]

Greenday

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Sandman138
I don't mind them all that much... they know they aren't really punk and I think the bassist called himself a sell out once. I have a problem with their stupid cult following and their !!!!!!! of a front man.
First can you find me the quote where the bassist said this. Do you even know what the bassist Name is?? And What the hell did front man ever do to be !!!!!! :confused: Its not like Their on MTV talking about their new album or TRL. There sole purpose has always been to write music from the heart. Not wheater if its punk or not. Green Day reason why they signed to a major label was to get their music out there. Thats all. Not for the Woman not for the sex, Not for the Fame. If you really read their lyrics almost all their songs are anti-social so i dont know what your talking about. I mean You cant even find their T-shirts in hot topic. What Green Day first than any other Punk Band. They Brought Punk To the Masses. I know The Clash and The Ramones are just rolling in their graves right now kicking themselves. I mean Punk Was Dead before the 90s. Sure thats not whats punk is about. But you have to admit we were all Teen Boppers before we became what we are. Like how we were all once newbies here.

[NOFX]

Come on sandman cat got your tongue!!!

[Sandman138]

Originally posted by NOFX
First can you find me the quote where the bassist said this. Do you even know what the bassist Name is?? And What the hell did front man ever do to be !!!!!! :confused: Its not like Their on MTV talking about their new album or TRL. There sole purpose has always been to write music from the heart. Not wheater if its punk or not. Green Day reason why they signed to a major label was to get their music out there. Thats all. Not for the Woman not for the sex, Not for the Fame. If you really read their lyrics almost all their songs are anti-social so i dont know what your talking about. I mean You cant even find their T-shirts in hot topic. What Green Day first than any other Punk Band. They Brought Punk To the Masses. I know The Clash and The Ramones are just rolling in their graves right now kicking themselves. I mean Punk Was Dead before the 90s. Sure thats not whats punk is about. But you have to admit we were all Teen Boppers before we became what we are. Like how we were all once newbies here.

I was never a !!!!ing teener bopper, I was a metal head for a while, but at least even then I was listening to bands like AC/DC and Iron Maiden. I have an interview from the bassist (no I don't know his name because I don't !!!!ing give a !!!!) in a book called Declaration of Independents which is a compelation of a skate/boarder/underground magazine. And The Clash brought punk to the masses, my mom knows who The Clash are and my friend's dad has London Calling on vinyl (anyone know what cover they were parodying?). I'll admit I was a poser when I first got into punk, I had God Save the Queen written on my jacket and I thought it mattered. Their lyrics are terrible trying to be Emo but ending up sounding whiny like Dashboard Confesionalls. They have some catchy little jingles, but no !!!!ing substance. I can listen to Train in Vain or Sweet Jane at least twenty times before it starts getting old... I can't even get through a Greenday album, they're obnoxious for all the wrong reasons. I also don't give a !!!! about their lyrics because THEY as people are so !!!!ing bland. Iggy Pop cut his entire chest to ribbons with a peice of glass on stage... that's punk. Sid Vicious stopped playing in the middle of a set, got off stage, and kicked the !!!! out of some kid just cause he felt like it... that's punk. Glen Danzig hardly went a show without punching somebody in the face... that's punk. Throwing mud at a (pathetic) "Woodstock" show is not punk... and what the hell is punk doing at Woodstock? Punk wasn't dead before the 90's. Op Ivy was alive and kicking people's asses in the 80's. The Exploited were doing !!!! in the 80's. Fear was around in the 80's. Henry Rollins and Black Flag were kicking ass in the 80's. Hell... even Adam and the Ants were doing some crazy !!!! in the 80's. Greenday is a !!!! band with a moronic group of idol worshippers for a following.

[Sandman138]

Originally posted by NOFX
Come on sandman cat got your tongue!!!

Change your sig... it's obnoxiously arogant. First asian punk in history... what a load of !!!!.:mad:

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Sandman138
Change your sig... it's obnoxiously arogant. First asian punk in history... what a load of !!!!.:mad:
But its true!!! :D And a good comeback!!! You did it without namecalling. Im so SENSITIVE!!! :mad:

[Mr. Fear]

I happen to know an asian "punk" and I don't think he'd be "down" with that.

[the defenders]

Oh MY god
so much to comment on
NOFX, you suck.
You should learn your history and buy some non-green day albums before you start debating about Punk. Have you ever heard The Flys? UK Subs? Yeah I didn't think so. YOu know nothing about punk. My dad has seen the Clash, Ramones, Tubes, Lou Reed like 10+ times, Talking Heads, ect. I have heard almost every major punk band ever. I know what I;m talking about. You can live in your world of "we are so cool because we throw mud at Woodstock and now have a happy life and laugh at those !!!!!!! at Gilman Street. But punk is more than prissy suits and selling records to some people. Sid Vicious got punched in the face while performing. Lou Reed injected herion and lived. Iggy vut himself up and freaked out yuppies like crazy. The Ramones played LOUD! BRAIN BUSTINGLY LOUD! Green Day tinks its cool to put mud in thier mouth and throw it at a bunch of braindead, white trash, jocks. yeah thats just great. How DARE you say punk was dead BEFORE the 90s. Black Flag anyone? Dead Kennedys anyone? Come on. People like you turn punk from the perverbial middle finger to a hand full of money. !!!! you NOFX and !!!! your money making scam that degrades the greatest music ever.

[the defenders]

Yes and your signature is so stupid and ignorant. 1st Asain punk in history. Yeah thyats just great. YOu just assume people from Asia aren't into punk I guess. Your a racist. So i guess your the only Asian punk. Oh well. I guess you are a trendsetter. You arent even a punk you !!!!

[akut401]

Originally posted by Sandman138
Rancid has nothing on Op Ivy.

:up:

[DDRSkata]

The animosity and tension in this thread are spreading way too quickly and way too much. Who really gives a !!!! what is punk and what isn't? It's music. You like it or you don't. The punk scene has been destroyed to almost nothing by idiots like Avril Lavigne and her damn following of teenybopper morons who went from Britney Spears to Avril because they thought different was cool (which is why they went out and bought hundred dollar punk uniforms). This is all way too stupid for my taste. Some are punk, some aren't. You call yourself punk, you most likely aren't.

I don't know exactly where I was going with that, but I'm too tired to really give a !!!!. And while I can listen to some old Green Day on occasion, they have nothing, and I mean NOTHING, on the great bands of old. You can't compare Green Day or any of those bands on that list with the Pistols, the Ramones, the Misfits, the Clash, Dead Kennedys, or any of the other greats that filled the scene back when it was real...back when it wasn't just a mass-produced, MTV-supported, commercialized group of crap with very little realness left.

[Kessel Day]

Originally posted by Tukiluka
It may have been said...so sorry...but Lars Frederiksens CD is good. :o

tuk!!! you're back!!!! i'm so glad!!!

[NOFX]

First you guys know nothing about me k. I've been listening to Punk for over 15 years now. First i never said Green Day is better than The Clash or The Ramones. Find me a quote where i said that. You cant. I was simply saying That Green Day Isnt getting the kind of respect that they deserve thats all!!! And people that say that you aint Punk By YOUR SO CALLED STANDARDS. Are Freaking Posers!!! You say Punk Is saying F**K You. OH I BETTER SAY F**K YOU TO EVERYONE SO I CAN BE A PUNK!!! WTF!!! Thats not Punk. Its about being yourself no matter what people think of you. ITS ABOUT YOUR ETHICS, MUSIC, POLITICS. THATS THE ESSENCE OF PUNK ROCK!!!!
If all your going to say F**k You then you better start listening to freaking Death metal or something. Slipknot anyone???

[NOFX]

And you guys need to get out some more. Have You guys ever heard of The Caualties!!! They Freaking Rule!!! Made In NYC is on the best Punk SOngs i ever heard. The Suicide Machines!!! I mean come on. AGAIN PUNK IS NOT DEAD!!! I dont care what you guys say. I knew when i started this thread theres going to those people saying OH THATS NOT PUNK I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT PUNK MORE THAN YOU DO. Dude just shut up. Damn. Have you guys even been to Gilman Street I bet you havent. Most of you guys are probably TO scared going to Punk show these days. Am I right. I can put my signature anyway i like. I LOVE ANNYOING PEOPLE. ISNT THAT ALSO PUNK ROCK!! oh yea one more thing YOU GUYS SUCK!!!

[NOFX]

Thirdly, this was a friendly debate with me and the Sandman. There was no need DEFENDER for you to come in this conversation.

[NOFX]

There was no need for the hostility!!!

[DDRSkata]

Chill, dude.

[Achilles]

Originally posted by Sandman138
Iggy Pop cut his entire chest to ribbons with a peice of glass on stage... that's punk. Sid Vicious stopped playing in the middle of a set, got off stage, and kicked the !!!! out of some kid just cause he felt like it... that's punk. Glen Danzig hardly went a show without punching somebody in the face... that's punk.

No... that's stupid.


Punk rock should be a culture where people get along, not where you have to worry about getting the !!!! kicked out of you. Go to a hardcore metal show if you want that crap.

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by NOFX
First you guys know nothing about me k. I've been listening to Punk for over 15 years now.....

I got into punk in 1980.... :)

[Achilles]

This whole argument is reminding me of why I fell out of favor with punk in the first place.

[combusticator]

I just wanted to say who my favorite band is. Some people don't call it punk cuz of its heavy/thrash metal influences, some even call it emo. But many still do call it punk. Some say all three!

Me? I don't care what people consider it, I just love them for their music, don't care what label is thrown on them!

But just wanted to say: THRICE! Love all their albums, but The Illusion of Safety is my favorite hands down, and their song To Awake and Avenge the Dead on that album is my favorite song.

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Achilles
This whole argument is reminding me of why I fell out of favor with punk in the first place.
Yea im starting to feel that way. Damn its all the Defender's fault.

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Themanofbat
I got into punk in 1980.... :)
Finally someone whos more superior than me!!! :D

[Achilles]

Originally posted by NOFX
Yea im starting to feel that way. Damn its all the Defender's fault.

GET OUT OF IT WHILE YOU CAN!!!!

It feels great to not have to feel like other "punks" are going to look down on you for liking a band like Green Day. Fuqkers.

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Achilles
GET OUT OF IT WHILE YOU CAN!!!!

It feels great to not have to feel like other "punks" are going to look down on you for liking a band like Green Day. Fuqkers.
Yea i know. Thats the one and only thing i dont like about punk. There my fav band. But you have idiots who think they know everything about Punk. And Telling me that i aint one. they ruined the so called punk scene. I Mean Thats just Bullsh** :mad:

[Achilles]

So Mr. NOFX, I ask you....

You got into punk because you like the sound, you like the meaning of some songs, and especially you like the way it's all about doing what you want to, right?

So, WHY is it, that when you say you like Green Day, other "punks" say youre an idiot, you're an !!!!!!!, youre a poseur?

ANSWER
BECAUSE PUNK IS DUMB

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Achilles
So Mr. NOFX, I ask you....

You got into punk because you like the sound, you like the meaning of some songs, and especially you like the way it's all about doing what you want to, right?

So, WHY is it, that when you say you like Green Day, other "punks" say youre an idiot, you're an !!!!!!!, youre a poseur?

ANSWER
BECAUSE PUNK IS DUMB
SOMETIMES PUNK DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE. :D You got me their Achilles.

[NOFX]

From the Words of Green Day, "Their opinions are ridicoulous anyways".

[Achilles]

How about, instead of being a punk, be yourself?

[Alf]

nofx is smarter than all of you:o


and l change my vote to good charlotte:up:

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Achilles
How about, instead of being a punk, be yourself?
I've always said that. Punk is about being yourself no matter what people think of you!!! Your ethic, politics blah blah blah:D

[Achilles]

It's supposed to be, but you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who really is like that.

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Alf
nofx is smarter than all of you:o


and l change my vote to good charlotte:up:
Well thank you alf. That means alot. especially coming from a vet. :D

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Achilles
It's supposed to be, but you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who really is like that.
Its come to a point when someone ask me what kind of punk music i like, I often hesitate.

[NOFX]

I mean damn Green Day my fav band of all time yet my avatar is NOfx.

[Achilles]

what??

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Achilles
what??
I remember when i was in high school. I was wearing a Green Day t-shirt and there wasnt a day that went by without someone making a comment. That not punk, their pop, or whatever. Im just freaking sick of it. Damn.............

[Achilles]

Like I said, get out while you can...

[Alf]

what do you mean "get out"?:o:confused:

[Achilles]

"Get out" of the punk rock trap....

meaning, be yourself, and not a punk

[Alf]

oh...ok...:up:

l thought you were advising him to stop listening to punk or something:o

[Achilles]

No, thats cool if he wants to, heck I still listen to some "punk" bands, I just feel that its for the best if you avoid all those labels and ****e

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by Achilles
"Get out" of the punk rock trap....

meaning, be yourself, and not a punk

But being yourself is what being punk is all about.

Using the words of Jello, it doesn't matter whether you have long hair, it doesn't matter whether you have short hair, it doesn't matter whether you like this band or that band, or this particular style or that particular style, it's what's in your head that really counts.

Being punk is being yourself and gaining and ability to think for yourself. It's all about attitude. The music (whatever the style may be) is merely a reflection of that attitude.

:)

[Mr. Fear]

This thread is so not punk...

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Themanofbat
But being yourself is what being punk is all about.

Using the words of Jello, it doesn't matter whether you have long hair, it doesn't matter whether you have short hair, it doesn't matter whether you like this band or that band, or this particular style or that particular style, it's what's in your head that really counts.

Being punk is being yourself and gaining and ability to think for yourself. It's all about attitude. The music (whatever the style may be) is merely a reflection of that attitude.

:)
Wow thats the smartest post i've seen by you Themanofbat. I completly agree!!! :D

[SpideyInATree]

Punk sucks these days. :D

So does heavy metal. :(

[Achilles]

Originally posted by Themanofbat
But being yourself is what being punk is all about.

Using the words of Jello, it doesn't matter whether you have long hair, it doesn't matter whether you have short hair, it doesn't matter whether you like this band or that band, or this particular style or that particular style, it's what's in your head that really counts.

Being punk is being yourself and gaining and ability to think for yourself. It's all about attitude. The music (whatever the style may be) is merely a reflection of that attitude.

:)

I wish I could believe that, but I have met a lot of punks in my time, and none of them are like that.

It's all about conforming to nonconformity, if you really want to be yourself then why don't you just do that, rather than feeling like you have to be a punk?

[GREEN =w= DAY]

my vote went to Green Day. they got be into punk. and unlike Blink 182, Green Day's music has been getting better and better with each album. and they put on one hell of a live show.

[Sandman138]

Originally posted by Achilles
I wish I could believe that, but I have met a lot of punks in my time, and none of them are like that.

It's all about conforming to nonconformity, if you really want to be yourself then why don't you just do that, rather than feeling like you have to be a punk?

That is definatly what it is these days. If you don't have the patches and the hair and the uniform, you're not a true punk. Meanwhile, if you have those things, you can be the biggest !!!! eating moron in the world, but people love you and think you're cool. And the idol worship is out of control.

[Sandman138]

Originally posted by Achilles
GET OUT OF IT WHILE YOU CAN!!!!

It feels great to not have to feel like other "punks" are going to look down on you for liking a band like Green Day. Fuqkers.

Why do you give a !!!! in the first place? Punks look down on everything, they're elitist and hypocritical. So !!!! them. You can be a punk and not give a !!!! about the rest of the punks.

[Sandman138]

Originally posted by NOFX
First you guys know nothing about me k. I've been listening to Punk for over 15 years now. First i never said Green Day is better than The Clash or The Ramones. Find me a quote where i said that. You cant. I was simply saying That Green Day Isnt getting the kind of respect that they deserve thats all!!! And people that say that you aint Punk By YOUR SO CALLED STANDARDS. Are Freaking Posers!!! You say Punk Is saying F**K You. OH I BETTER SAY F**K YOU TO EVERYONE SO I CAN BE A PUNK!!! WTF!!! Thats not Punk. Its about being yourself no matter what people think of you. ITS ABOUT YOUR ETHICS, MUSIC, POLITICS. THATS THE ESSENCE OF PUNK ROCK!!!!
If all your going to say F**k You then you better start listening to freaking Death metal or something. Slipknot anyone???

You haven't been listening to punk since you were four. Anyone who calls someone a poser should get the !!!! kicked out of them. Anyone who says something is hardcore should get the !!!! kicked out of them. The essence of punk rock is not the music, it's not the polotics, and it's not the ethics... the essence of punk rock is what Iggy Pop called RAW POWER. It's about untamed, wild energy. It's about kicking the !!!! out of people for the sake of kicking the !!!! out of people. It's about taking all that anger that we get just having to !!!!ing run around for other people for no !!!!ing reason and shoving it down the whole world's !!!!ing throat. That's why magazines like Rolling Stone never really understood it. They didn't get why when they interviewed The Clash, Joe Strummer just said that he hated everybody in the band. They didn't get why the Sex Pistols got on national TV and started swearing. They thought it was about wanting attention, it was just about being !!!!ing ANGRY and real. You know why I don't think Greenday is punk? Becuase they play a show on SNL and cause less comotion than Sinead O'Conner. They stay in line, they are tame, they aren't rock and roll. The punk movement was to it's time what Elvis shaking his hips was to the 50's. It was rock and roll in the true sense of the word, it made some !!!!ing waves. Greenday doesn't do that, niether do any of these other bands.

[Hulkzilla]

Only The Ramones truly mattered, but I voted for Green Day

(Well okay, AND the Sex Pistols too)

[the defenders]

Okay, NOFX, !!!! you you !!!!ing scumbag
You say I'm starting all this !!!!ing trouble
your a !!!!ing jackass
You don't know what the !!!! your talking about
I haven't called myself a !!!!ing punk once in this whole thread
I'm not saying your not a punk
All I am saying is that you should learn about better music than Green Day. I may not like them. I mean, i have a green day cd. It's not the worst thing ever. I just think they aren't that !!!!ing great. You are a stupid peice of !!!!. You don't know what your talking about and you blame hostility on me. Well !!!! you then! I really don't care what some !!!!face on a message board !!!!ing thinks.

[Sandman138]

Originally posted by NOFX
And you guys need to get out some more. Have You guys ever heard of The Caualties!!! They Freaking Rule!!! Made In NYC is on the best Punk SOngs i ever heard. The Suicide Machines!!! I mean come on. AGAIN PUNK IS NOT DEAD!!! I dont care what you guys say. I knew when i started this thread theres going to those people saying OH THATS NOT PUNK I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT PUNK MORE THAN YOU DO. Dude just shut up. Damn. Have you guys even been to Gilman Street I bet you havent. Most of you guys are probably TO scared going to Punk show these days. Am I right. I can put my signature anyway i like. I LOVE ANNYOING PEOPLE. ISNT THAT ALSO PUNK ROCK!! oh yea one more thing YOU GUYS SUCK!!!

See? This is at least closer to punk. But you might want to learn to spell. No, I haven't been to Gilman Street, but I have been to CBGBs as if it mattered. I have seen the Causualties play live, I don't like them all that much. I'd rather see The Damned any day of the week. If you want some bragging I can give it to you: I was almost suffucated seeing the Fits live in Frisco, I got stabbed by a spike in the stomach seeing a local band called Tree, I got kicked to the ground seeing The Damned, and I've seen the Dropkick Murphys live and anyone who knows what their shows are like (we're talking Boston Irish Pub here) knows the kind of experience that is. But none of that matters becuase setting up some kind of "I'm more punk than you." hiearchy is pointless. If you're looking for a self esteem booster, go somewhere else.