Dream Team League (Discussion)

[Johnny Blaze]

As long as you start 10 different characters durring the season you're good to go. :up:

[Ahura Mazda]

I guess it's safe to assume that OP is one of, if not the, physically strongest SoB in the DTL then.


He's up there but I think Validus would be stronger given that Valdus can split a planet in half as X could testify.

But he certainly is a lot more powerful than what I imaginned.

Edit: Sorry I apologise as I had not read all the posts before X posted his.

[Nightwing.]

Are you down with Op. P.? Yeah, you know me.

...Sorry :(

can someone post a link as to who this OP guy is.i havent a clue!

[Elijya]

Optimus Prime. From the Transformers

[Nightwing.]

Optimus Prime. From the Transformers

oh!!!is he allowed to be used?

[Elijya]

someone already has him

and he's ridiculously overpowered

[Nightwing.]

someone already has him

and he's ridiculously overpowered

but he isnt anything to do with dc/marvel/amalgam comics.hows he allowed?

[Elijya]

Transformers comics were published by Marvel in the 1980s, and tehy were in continuity with Marvel. Spider-Man even appeared with them

[Nightwing.]

so people can use transformers?

[Elijya]

yup

[Nightwing.]

hmmmmmm...

[Elijya]

hmmmm....



hey, I want a call on this. Can Jesse Custers Word work on sentient robots? Sentient means they have free will, and the Word has the power of overriding free will, so I say yes

[Nightwing.]

id say yes.just one question.is there anyone or anything that cant be affected by jesse's word?i mean he could wipe out a whole team.do you have a link to a bio on him?

[Elijya]

if you don't understand the words jesse is using (i.e. you don't speak english) you aren't compelled by them. If a character can't hear him they aren't compelled by him either (i.e. putting your finger over your ears. however, your character must know who jesse is and what he can do before they would do that). Theoretically, yes, Jesse could kill an opposing team with one word, but it's not his style, and your characters must always act in character (i.e. spider-man isn't going to kill anyone). and besides, if I ever had him do that, I wouldn't be allowed to have him the DTL. Jesse could do taht in the same way Firestorm could turn the molecules of air in an opposing team's lungs to adamantium, but he wont do that

[Johnny Blaze]

hmmmm....



hey, I want a call on this. Can Jesse Custers Word work on sentient robots? Sentient means they have free will, and the Word has the power of overriding free will, so I say yes
That's a good question...on cyborgs and such who are half organic I'd say yes, but for being who are totally robotic...that'd be a tough call...

Has there ever been an instance where Jesse has affected a non-organic being with the Word?

[XFanTim]

That's a good question...on cyborgs and such who are half organic I'd say yes, but for being who are totally robotic...that'd be a tough call...

Has there ever been an instance where Jesse has affected a non-organic being with the Word?
I don't know about inorganics . . . I know he's effected some non-human sentients (angels, vampires, etc.), so if I had to guess I would say that the only criteria are that you be conscious and able to hear and understand his commands. So my guess would be that conscious androids like, say, Vision, would be affected.

Then again, a week and a half ago I knew almost nothing about Jesse -- I've only just read one Preacher trade. So I'm no expert, but that's my opinion.

[XFanTim]

So when do we get the decision on dropping restrictions for reserves?

[Johnny Blaze]

It's already been lifted.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd guess that Jesse could affect inorganic sentients. After all, the big G would've created them in some capacity too, wouldn't he? And Genesis' power affects all of God's creations that can hear and understand it, from what Preacher shows.

[Johnny Blaze]

I don't know that he wouldv'e created them. I'd think that'd he leave that up to mankind to do.

[Ahura Mazda]

I have a question regrading Odin:

As a King of Gods, a drinker of the Well of Wisdom I have assumed that he has knowledge of all characters within the Marvel Universe - he is a celestial being that has observed humanity.

Also, has Kurse ever fought Odin?

[Johnny Blaze]

Well, it could be fair to assume he's got knowledge on the decently known characters of the Marvel U, but some of the obscure one's I'm not too sure he'd know about.

[TheCorpulent1]

Odin's omniscience has always been tricky. He's clearly able to be surprised, but then he turns around and shows knowledge of crazy stuff like the future all the time.

And when I say God created the inorganic beings, I mean in the Preacher universe, where God's basically the same as any Christian fundamentalist's version of Him, He's basically responsible for the capacity for life in everything. All roads lead back to Him, you know? And Genesis' power overrides God's, so Jesse should be able to affect anything alive if it can understand him.

[Johnny Blaze]

Well, how big of a knowledge hoarder would you say Odin is? Thanos level? Higher? Lower?

And I guess that he'd be able to affect inorganics as long as they understand him.

[TheCorpulent1]

Hard to say. In the myths that's basically all he does: sit on his throne atop the highest perch in Asgard and watch the world's events while Hugin and Munin flew around gathering even more information for him. The Marvel version seems much pettier and more concerned with meddling in Thor's love life than gathering knowledge. I'd guess he would know a bit less about the present than Thanos, but he'd be able to prophesize the future too.

[Ahura Mazda]

Well, it could be fair to assume he's got knowledge on the decently known characters of the Marvel U, but some of the obscure one's I'm not too sure he'd know about.


Well I am assuming those that are from the planet Earth fall under who he knows. But given he has 24 hours prep time I would have thought he could have learned of a character.

But I get your point. Thanks for the response.

[TheCorpulent1]

No forms of special knowledge gathering are allowed in prep time. If Odin didn't know about the character before, he can't learn about him or her during prep time.

[DBM]

if you don't understand the words jesse is using (i.e. you don't speak english) you aren't compelled by them. If a character can't hear him they aren't compelled by him either (i.e. putting your finger over your ears. however, your character must know who jesse is and what he can do before they would do that).

Ya know who'd be good to use with Jesse to avoid the language barrier.

Cypher.

Using the AoA one would be best because he has learned the ability to create a field that allows everyone to understand everyone else, even if they don't speak the same language. I don't think the 616 one ever learned that.

Just a thought. Someone else may have thought of it before.

[Guyverjay]

Or you could use a legion translator stop you from understanding what the hell he's saying:D

[TheCorpulent1]

Since we've established that he can command inorganic sentients, what about inorganic computers and technology? You think he could command a Legion translator to stop working or something?

[Johnny Blaze]

Since it's not a sentient, I'd say no.

[Ahura Mazda]

To be fair to Mikey this is what my team will probaby be like this week:

Odin (MU) - having slept 24 hours
Validus (DU) - out there enjoying the stars
Ikaris (MM) - Leading his troops
Kid Quantum II (DR) - playing around with time
Braniac 417 (DR) - Computing away

However I must admit I am hesitating on the last one

[Johnny Blaze]

You need a Marvel Reg Ahura.

[Guyverjay]

To be fair to Mikey this is what my team will probaby be like this week:

Odin (MU) - having slept 24 hours
Validus (DU) - out there enjoying the stars
Ikaris (MM) - Leading his troops
Kid Quantum II (DR) - playing around with time
Braniac 417 (DR) - Computing away

However I must admit I am hesitating on the last one

Why is that?

[Guyverjay]

You need a Marvel Reg Ahura.


I thought it didn't matter if you have a Marvel middle weigght?

[Johnny Blaze]

Nope, you need a Marvel Reg and a DC Reg.

It might change in the future, but for now that's how it is still.

[Ahura Mazda]

Well then I am going to have to think about this. But as I see it Braniac is going to have to go as Kid Quantum is my only female candidate for now. :(

[Elijya]

I don't know about inorganics . . . I know he's effected some non-human sentients (angels, vampires, etc.), so if I had to guess I would say that the only criteria are that you be conscious and able to hear and understand his commands. So my guess would be that conscious androids like, say, Vision, would be affected.

Then again, a week and a half ago I knew almost nothing about Jesse -- I've only just read one Preacher trade. So I'm no expert, but that's my opinion.

enjoying it so far?

[Elijya]

Ya know who'd be good to use with Jesse to avoid the language barrier.

Cypher.

Using the AoA one would be best because he has learned the ability to create a field that allows everyone to understand everyone else, even if they don't speak the same language. I don't think the 616 one ever learned that.

Just a thought. Someone else may have thought of it before.


where was cypher in AoA? :confused:

[DBM]

where was cypher in AoA? :confused:

In X-Calibre, he was at Avalon when Nightcrawler and Mystique got there. Mystique had a conversation with him (I think it was Mystique) where he described his power. Iirc, Destiny had adopted him as her son, or something like that.

[XFanTim]

enjoying it so far?
Yeah, it's definitely an engaging read. Some parts are a tad graphic for my tastes (I'm used to reading more run of the mill superhero stuff, which tends to go a bit lighter on the severed faces/penises/etc.) But it definitely pulled me in in spite of the gross parts (some of which I must admit make for some great dark humor) -- at first I'd just flipped through it in the store to try to get a few more details for my writeup last week, and I ended up going back and reading the whole trade.

[yenaled]

Can anyone tell me where we are fighting this week?

Want to start my write up tonight. Before I start working every night this week...

[Harlekin]

Titans Tower in San Fran.

[yenaled]

Cheers Harlekin, anyone happen to have a plan of it or shall I do some google hunting?

[Johnny Blaze]

I briefly looked over Titan's Tower (http://titanstower.com/), but I couldn't find any blueprints or what not of the tower.

It's basically in the shape of a T and on an island out in the middle of the bay. It's got the standard living quarters, rec room, training room, a hall of heroes honoring former Titans who died in the line of duty with statues of them, and outside you've got Starfire's garden.
I'll look over my TT issues later tonight and get back to you if I left anything out.

[AnnoyingSilence]

hmmmm....



hey, I want a call on this. Can Jesse Custers Word work on sentient robots? Sentient means they have free will, and the Word has the power of overriding free will, so I say yesthey have memory banks, not minds

[yenaled]

I briefly looked over Titan's Tower (http://titanstower.com/), but I couldn't find any blueprints or what not of the tower.

It's basically in the shape of a T and on an island out in the middle of the bay. It's got the standard living quarters, rec room, training room, a hall of heroes honoring former Titans who died in the line of duty with statues of them, and outside you've got Starfire's garden.
I'll look over my TT issues later tonight and get back to you if I left anything out.

Cheers. I guess I can treat it just like a smaller less impressive Watchtower.

[Elijya]

they have memory banks, not minds


JB already made the call

[Johnny Blaze]

I did, but it can always be overturned. :D

[Elijya]

Jesse's power affects free will, which the autobots have

[TheCorpulent1]

they have memory banks, not minds
Come on now, how many sci-fi shows and movies have we seen or comics have we read that question the humanity of machines? Whether the composition of the body is technological or biological, the Word is still magical in nature, direct from the highest power in the universe if you buy into that kind of thing. So it shouldn't matter, as long as the being has sentience and a soul or mind or whatever, it should be subject to the Word.

[Elijya]

Just a thought to anyone going up against a team with a robot on it: the GReat Machine from Ex Machina

[TheCorpulent1]

I was thinking of him when someone asked about Jesse being able to command machines. :D

[Elijya]

vaughn has come up with some cool uses for his powers, but in the DTL he'd be useless unless the opposing team had any cyborgs or robots

plus, he's inexperienced

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, he's kind of "real-world" for the DTL too. His costume looks like it was cobbled together from spare parts, after all, not like a colorful, fantasmagorical super-dee-duper hero costume.

Anybody have some info on Triton's trident, which Poseidon gave to Aquaman? I can't find a goddamn thing online except for references to issues where he used it, and those are useless to me at the moment...

Or, alternatively, can anyone tell me about Tempest's trident? If it's special in any way, or if it's just a conduit for his innate power?

... I'm the only person who's ever cared about Aquaman on this board, aren't I? :(

[Darthphere]

... I'm the only person who's ever cared about Aquaman on this board, aren't I? :(


Nope, I love Aquaman, I have a tattoo of him on my arm. Crazy yes, I know, but Aquaman is the man. I wanna get the rest of the Superfriends as well, i know im a loser.

[The Leaguer]

I like him, but not enough to read his book.

[Elijya]

Nope, I love Aquaman, I have a tattoo of him on my arm. Crazy yes, I know, but Aquaman is the man. I wanna get the rest of the Superfriends as well, i know im a loser.


I've just lost so much respect for you

what version of aquaman?


sheesh, least I did something cool and got Spider's tattoo on my head

[Darthphere]

I got good ole orange and green Aquaman with the hook though. Sorry, im young and have no idea what im doing.

http://www.otmfan.com/graphics/lyric/aquaman.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

So, does that mean you know anything about the tridents, Darthy-poo? :)

[AnnoyingSilence]

Come on now, how many sci-fi shows and movies have we seen or comics have we read that question the humanity of machines? Whether the composition of the body is technological or biological, the Word is still magical in nature, direct from the highest power in the universe if you buy into that kind of thing. So it shouldn't matter, as long as the being has sentience and a soul or mind or whatever, it should be subject to the Word.sentient beings or not, the word is for the mind, not silicon valley

[Elijya]

I got good ole orange and green Aquaman with the hook though. Sorry, im young and have no idea what im doing.

http://www.otmfan.com/graphics/lyric/aquaman.jpg


is that the exact image

[Darthphere]

So, does that mean you know anything about the tridents, Darthy-poo? :)


What do you want to know? :p

[Elijya]

sentient beings or not, the word is for the mind, not silicon valley


um, are you really imply that god has no power over machinery?


(although, if anyone here has ever played the videogame Xenogears, you know taht all you need to beat god is a full tank of gas :D)

[Darthphere]

is that the exact image


Yeah, I think it was the perfect balance of two versions of Aquaman I liked.

[Elijya]

you know, I am actually so intrigued by this question, I'm going to email it to wizard. it own't be a quick response, though, if it even does get responded to, so let's not wait for it for the judgement call

[TheCorpulent1]

Seriously, I don't think whether God could affect machines should really be a question. The fact that we've got machines that are unique individuals, capable of experiencing everything that makes a human a human, implies that they have minds that work basically the same as ours too.
What do you want to know? :p
When/how Garth got his trident, whether it can do anything special, etc. It's implied that the trident is either magical itself or is used as a conduit for Tempest's spells in one of the early issues of Aquaman's new series.

As for Triton's trident, I pretty much want either to know everything about it or to be pointed at sources where I can learn more about it. So far I've got #49 of the Peter David series and Aquaman's tie-ins to Our Worlds at War.

[Darthphere]

Is this a test or do you really dont know?

[TheCorpulent1]

No really, I want to know about them. I do have Tempest on my team now, after all.

[XFanTim]

Sorry, im young and have no idea what im doing.Best excuse ever. :)

[Elijya]

especially fr a tattoo

[Guyverjay]

Meh tranformers can just turn off their audio receptors then flatten Jessie with their big toe:o

[AnnoyingSilence]

hey, I want a call on this. Can Jesse Custers Word work on sentient robots? Sentient means they have free will, and the Word has the power of overriding free will, so I say yesthats a 50-50. if the being is organic, i'll say yes, but no if its against a robot

[The Leaguer]

They don't have toes!

[Guyverjay]

They don't have toes!

Some of them do.

Don't argue TFs with me, you'll lose:mad:

[AnnoyingSilence]

Seriously, I don't think whether God could affect machines should really be a question. The fact that we've got machines that are unique individuals, capable of experiencing everything that makes a human a human, implies that they have minds that work basically the same as ours too.implies, not confirms

[The Leaguer]

Some of them do.

Don't argue TFs with me, you'll lose:mad:

Veeeeeery rarely. Do they have toes, I mean.

[primemover]

I say no to Jesse being able to control sentient robots with the word. Since it's a GOD thing, I would imagine it would have something to do with a 'soul', and androids do not have souls as far as I know. :)

[wiegeabo]

Ah, but the Matrix is the soul of the Autobots. Therefore, the word would effect Optimus.

[Johnny Blaze]

I say no to Jesse being able to control sentient robots with the word. Since it's a GOD thing, I would imagine it would have something to do with a 'soul', and androids do not have souls as far as I know. :)
I was thinking about the exact same thing actually. :up:

But, he did affect Cassidy, who's a souless vampire, so...

[The Leaguer]

Ah, but the Matrix is the soul of the Autobots. Therefore, the word would effect Optimus.

That's more of a metaphorical thing, not literal enough for the DTL, in my opinion.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Ah, but the Matrix is the soul of the Autobots. Therefore, the word would effect Optimus.only if the matrix is right there with them and can hear

[AnnoyingSilence]

I was thinking about the exact same thing actually. :up:

But, he did affect Cassidy, who's a souless vampire, so...vampires do have souls, thier just damned

[JewishHobbit]

I'm thinking that against machines it's no.

[Ahura Mazda]

Leaguer, just so you know, Drakon is no longer in the game. Thanks and see above for my starting line up. I had to take Braniac out :(

[Elijya]

someone ask Super Saijin 2 if he wants to join. He's a good kid, I don't know if he has the necessary character knowledge, but I think he'd like it here

[Ahura Mazda]

Concerning Odin, can I use a very minor Nordic God during the 24 hour prep time for a spot appearance but who will ahve no direct impact on the battle? I do not think the God that I want to use for a very brief period ever appears in comics but he is a minor mythological figure.

[Johnny Blaze]

someone ask Super Saijin 2 if he wants to join. He's a good kid, I don't know if he has the necessary character knowledge, but I think he'd like it here
Why don't you ask him? http://www.honda-acura.net/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif



And what would be the purpose of this minor god, Ahura?

[Elijya]

uh.....


huh?

[Ahura Mazda]

He will make something for me that will be used during the battle. If not, I was just going to have Odin come up with it as it is common.

[Elijya]

Why don't you ask him? http://www.honda-acura.net/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif




bescause I don't have that big pre written description of what the DTL is like you dohttp://www.honda-acura.net/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Elijya]

I just sent the email off to wizard

[Johnny Blaze]

bescause I don't have that big pre written description of what the DTL is like you dohttp://www.honda-acura.net/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif
All you have to do is point him in the direction of this thread. All of us will be able to explain everything to him. :up:

[Johnny Blaze]

I just sent the email off to wizard
What were you writing to them again?

[Elijya]

asking whether or not they thought the Word would work on sentient robots

they have connectiosn, they may even be able to ask Ennis

[Ahura Mazda]

asking whether or not they thought the Word would work on sentient robots

they have connectiosn, they may even be able to ask Ennis



That is what i call true dedication and research :eek:

[AnnoyingSilence]

robots are built out of metal. thats like saying iron mans suits have souls so they have to listen to the word

[Johnny Blaze]

Yeah, but even if they say "no", he'll still tell all of us that they said "yes" so he can still have Jesse be able to affect sentient machines. :D

[Ahura Mazda]

Well I would say no because it would then create the bigger difficulty of determining at what level a robot is sentient. Is cerbero sentient or the Legion super computer? Plus it sounds ridiculous to me meaning that the Voice affects the robots programming. Howver, with regard to Optimus Prime, aren't the Autobots machines that were infused with a spirit of creatures from a dying world? I seem to remember something like that from the 80's cartoon.

[Guyverjay]

Howver, with regard to Optimus Prime, aren't the Autobots machines that were infused with a spirit of creatures from a dying world? I seem to remember something like that from the 80's cartoon.

Nope you're getting confused with "ROBOTIX"

[Ahura Mazda]

Nope you're getting confused with "ROBOTIX"


:up: that certainly is possible considering it was almost 20 year ago. God has it been that long :(

[Goldenage Batman]

Elijya said to go here and post something....

[Ahura Mazda]

Well would you be interested in joining.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Elijya said to go here and post something....put it this way if you don't wanna send alot of time on the dtl don't join... its tons of responsiblities compaired to any other rpg. you'll have a team of 10. there 2 links in my signature. one goes to the dtl update which displays rosters, records, and schedules. the other one takes you to my thread. my thread has each person in ther status form(regular, medium and uber) and gives you links on different sites that have them listed. givving you different sites makes it easier to compare them to one another an get a bigger story.

to start a match you need atleast

1 MU
1 DU
1 MR
1 DR
and then you have one more character that can be regular or medium. of these 5 characters one of them in the starting line-up has to be a female.

[AnnoyingSilence]

if you don't wanna join, we won't condim you... we waited for atleast 3,4 months for people to stay. Between that time atleast 8-10 people joined an dropped. if you dont' know much about comics, so what niether do i or nightwing124 or gilrean from what i know.

[Goldenage Batman]

I would like to join....but the only time I can get on the computer is at school....like I am now...

[AnnoyingSilence]

theres 2 main threads for the dtl, this one - where any conversation can happen from what you dreamed about last night to something of the comics and then theres the trades thread. where you ONLY discuss a characters status(reg,med,uber, too uber) or if things apply... right now we're debating if the amalagams should be thier own character or not and if the word of what'r'face would affect robots(no)

[AnnoyingSilence]

I would like to join....but the only time I can get on the computer is at school....like I am now...then you might not want to. we do write-ups and those to take some time. then you take care of your team. then you have to stay insync with the dtl(read the threads) so you don't miss anything important

[AnnoyingSilence]

its good so see you wanna join, but it doesn't look like you'll have the time.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/dbz_-_piccolo3.gif
don't worry be happyhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/stupid%20stuff/Avatar1.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/stupid%20stuff/Avatar1.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/stupid%20stuff/Avatar1.gif

[AnnoyingSilence]

we need people that have time
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/stupid%20stuff/I3010004.jpg
is that a supprise? the dtl is for nerds with internet an husbands an wifes... people who don't have lives is the ones you are shootin for
Saiyan don't forget
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/stupid%20stuff/classy.jpg

[Elijya]

Yeah, but even if they say "no", he'll still tell all of us that they said "yes" so he can still have Jesse be able to affect sentient machines. :D


hey, they may even publish it

and if they say one thing or another, they'll give their reasons

[Elijya]

what's with 5 dismissive posts in a row, AS? we're looking for people, maybe you should try and encourage them?

[Nightwing.]

we need people that have time

is that a supprise? the dtl is for nerds with internet an husbands an wifes... people who don't have lives


what you saying about married people?we have lives.

[Nightwing.]

if you don't wanna join we won't condim you... we waited for atleast 3,4 months on people to stay, between that time atleast 8,9, maybe 10 people joined an dropped. if you dont' know much about comics, so what niether do i or nightwing124 or gilrean from what i know.

my knowledge is very very very very very very very very very (8 hours later)...very very very very limited

[XFanTim]

Personally, I'd much rather have every DTL spot filled, even with people who participate infrequently, then have spots not filled at all.

[TheCorpulent1]

what you saying about married people?we have lives.
I'm not married and I still don't have a life. :p

Somebody prove to me that a robot doesn't have a soul. If anyone mentions programming, keep in mind that we've got Tomorrow Woman and Vision in this thing already, both sentient machines who betrayed their programming and became fully fleshed out people in their own right.

[Nightwing.]

do you know where the battle is anyone?please i need to know

[AnnoyingSilence]

what's with 5 dismissive posts in a row, AS? we're looking for people, maybe you should try and encourage them?i'm not encouraging another dwarf lord... maybe all you want is someone to join that wil give up some free wins... i'm a loser and i hate free wins...

[JewishHobbit]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/stupid%20stuff/I3010004.jpg


Hey,.... that's my baby!!!!

[Harlekin]

do you know where the battle is anyone?please i need to know
Titans Tower in San Fransisco. I answered the same question for someone else like a day ago.

[Nightwing.]

Hey,.... that's my baby!!!!

whats he doing with a pic of your baby?

[TheCorpulent1]

Titans Tower in San Fransisco. I answered the same question for someone else like a day ago.
So wait, where is it again? :)

[JewishHobbit]

whats he doing with a pic of your baby?

He's my brother-in-law and we live in the same house. He took that pic on his picture phone I think.

[The Leaguer]

In case anyone is interested, this week Marvel released an Official Handbook of female characters. It'd be great for people like me who have a hard time with Marvel characters, and an even harder time with Marvel Females. It's only like 4 bucks.

http://www.midtowncomics.com/images/PRODUCT/FUL/28998_ful.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

Marvel's really pimping Spider-Woman, huh? Gotta love Bendis... rassumfrassum :mad:

[Johnny Blaze]

Of course they are. They have to plug that NA crap whenever they can.

And, is that Hellcat I see? I thought she died? :confused:

[TheCorpulent1]

Poor Hellstorm. His sister showed up in Witches and his wife is on the cover of that thing, but the man himself just can't catch a break these days. :(

[Johnny Blaze]

Poor Hellstorm. His sister showed up in Witches and his wife is on the cover of that thing, but the man himself just can't catch a break these days. :(
Satanna was in Witches? Did she have a big role?

[AnnoyingSilence]

xfan, if you have a picture of your team would you send it to me?

[AnnoyingSilence]

my knowledge is very very very very very very very very very (8 hours later)...very very very very limitedan so is mine, what i was tryin to say is.

even if he has limited comic knowledge it won't matter. but if hes only getting on the comp at school then he won't have enough time for this

[AnnoyingSilence]

I'm not married and I still don't have a life. :p

Somebody prove to me that a robot doesn't have a soul. If anyone mentions programming, keep in mind that we've got Tomorrow Woman and Vision in this thing already, both sentient machines who betrayed their programming and became fully fleshed out people in their own right.prove to me that you do have a soul, matter o fact prove to me that anyone period has a soul.

[The Leaguer]

Ooooh, AS just laid down a metaphysical pwning to Corp! :p

[AnnoyingSilence]

lol

[TheCorpulent1]

No he didn't, that's the point. Nothing can be proven where souls and God are concerned. The fact remains, however, that Jesse's power has worked on every sentient being he's encountered so far who could hear and understand him. He's only encountered humans, true, but what proof is there that the minds of comic book robots as sophisticated as Vision, Tomorrow Woman, Hourman, Amazo, the Transformers, and others operate any differently from humans'? I'm taking about MINDS now, the undefined metaphysical component that allows for free will, personalities, etc., not the BRAIN. The answer is none.
Satanna was in Witches? Did she have a big role?
Yeah, she was one of the three main witches in it. I don't know what happened though, because the mini sucked so I stopped reading it.

[mikeyh89]

omg thanks to Leaguer for posting that!!!! i will hafta get that what with both Rogue and Dazzler on my team and in it and that looks like Domino who i am considering picking up! thanks!

oh i know this is in the wrong thread but Leaguer, my starting lineup will still stay the same as listed, i posted in the Front Office that it may change :cool:

also, i may not ever get to a writeup this weekend because a my mom's really good friend passed away and i will have a wake on both Thursday and Friday and on Saturday a funeral so i dunno what will happen :( :down

[TheCorpulent1]

Aw, that sucks. Sorry about your mom's friend. :(

[AnnoyingSilence]

No he didn't, that's the point. Nothing can be proven where souls and God are concerned. The fact remains, however, that Jesse's power has worked on every sentient being he's encountered so far who could hear and understand him. He's only encountered humans, true, but what proof is there that the minds of comic book robots as sophisticated as Vision, Tomorrow Woman, Hourman, Amazo, the Transformers, and others operate any differently from humans'? I'm taking about MINDS now, the undefined metaphysical component that allows for free will, personalities, etc., not the BRAIN. The answer is none.well, if her word is that strong that EVERYTHING AN EVERYONE has to listen... shes uber. if even the strongest minds are fair game, then shes uber. its the whole antilife equation all over again

[AnnoyingSilence]

also, i may not ever get to a writeup this weekend because a my mom's really good friend passed away and i will have a wake on both Thursday and Friday and on Saturday a funeral so i dunno what will happen :( :downi really don't know how to put this, kuz i don't do sympathly too much. but i hope everything turns out in the best way possible for you.:(

[mikeyh89]

thanks corp, i may actually be able to write the writeup now but i really just am not in the mood, and i hafta eat dinner so sorry and i will understand if i dont get the vote

i was wondering, can someone please name for me all those women on that cover maybe in order, i dont even recognize a few of them

do you think that it means that some of those women (Dazzler, Domino) will be making a comeback in Marvel this year?

EDIT: Thanks AS, i mean, i knew the woman really well so we may be doing something with her family sunday so i may not be on much at alkl this weekend

[TheCorpulent1]

well, if her word is that strong that EVERYTHING AN EVERYONE has to listen... shes uber. if even the strongest minds are fair game, then shes uber. its the whole antilife equation all over again
I could see Jesse being considered as an uber, although I don't know why you keep calling him a "she." I could also see him staying as a middleweight. There are limits, since it doesn't work on people who can't hear him, it doesn't work on people who can't understand him, and he's a completely normal human who would probably die if most people in this thing touched him, but the Word really does seem to work on everyone, without exception, and if a telepath tried to do anything to him they'd probably get their mind fried by Genesis.
i was wondering, can someone please name for me all those women on that cover maybe in order, i dont even recognize a few of them
Down the left, starting under the "E" in "MARVEL" at the top there:

Enchantress
Aranya
Rogue
Scarlet Witch
Jennifer Cale
Topaz
Titania
Satana

Down the right, starting under the "UV" part of "UNIVERSE":
Shanna the She-Devil
Hellcat
Dazzler
White Queen (I think, she's kind of obscured)
Mystique
Domino

And that's Spider-Woman right in the front.

[mikeyh89]

i have never heard of Topaz, Jennifer Cale or Satana hmmm

i would be uber happy if Dazzler came back to a regular X-Men team

Rogue and Dazzler on the same team would just kick so much ass! too bad i wasnt around in the 80's (well old enough to know, i was born in 89) anyways, i guess the DTL can make those dreams come true

well i gotta eat! im starved!

[AnnoyingSilence]

I could see Jesse being considered as an uber, although I don't know why you keep calling him a "she." I could also see him staying as a middleweight. There are limits, since it doesn't work on people who can't hear him, it doesn't work on people who can't understand him, and he's a completely normal human who would probably die if most people in this thing touched him, but the Word really does seem to work on everyone, without exception, and if a telepath tried to do anything to him they'd probably get their mind fried by Genesis.i dunno y i keep callin him a she...

how many people in the dtl are deaf?
how many people won't understand him?
and i could name a couple dozen people who couldn't get near'm kuz his ability. i say uber just kuz there no was really around the word

[TheCorpulent1]

Well yeah, he's also from an alternate universe, so no one would know about him. He's basically guaranteed at least one kill in every match.

[AnnoyingSilence]

uber

[The Leaguer]

Not necessarily guaranteed. I could see some people coming up with ingenious ways of avoiding it.

[wiegeabo]

Yeah, but if no one on the other team knows of his ability to use the word, he could just get himself a big megephone or have his voice amplified and tell everyone on the other team to drop dead, literally. ;)

Although that be a pretty cheap way of doing it. :p

[The Leaguer]

True. Jesse has massive cheapness potential.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, even without the cheapness, no one would know about him. No information means they do one of two things: 1) disregard him and go for the other people, whom they know as threats, or 2) take him out fast and hard because he's an unknown and thus potentially a HUGE threat. Obviously, any idiot with a shred of intelligence would go for the latter, but the fact remains that as long as Jesse can get out a few words, he's guaranteed at least one kill, unless the other team is just unreasonably paranoid (not to mention stupid) and cuts themselves off from sensory information... just in case. If he gets out a few more words, that's another instant kill, although granted, the other team would know to look out for it then.

[AnnoyingSilence]

anyone with "the word" should not be allowed. if he resistable then kul, but nothing now matter what can resist an no one know of him so he kills the whole team, "kill each other..." 1 by one they slit each others throats... done

[wiegeabo]

True, but I'm not sure I'd vote for anyone who used that as their entire writeup.

[mikeyh89]

Sorry this is a little off topic but going back to the OHOTMU: Women 2005, one of it's writers posted the list of who is all in it in case anyone wanted to know mayeb to pick it up for references

Arana
Black Widow (Belova, not Romanova)
Sharon Carter
Clea
Crystal
Dagger
Dark Angel
Dazzler
Domino
Enchantress
Firestar
Gaea
Hellcat
Hepzibah
Jolt
Jennifer Kale
Misty Knight
Lucy in the Sky
Magik
Maker
Medusa
Meggan
Millie the Model
Moondragon
Moonstone
Mystique
Namorita
Nemesis
Puck (the female one, obviously, not her diminutive dad)
Rogue
Roma
Satana
Scarlet Witch
Sersi
Shanna the She-Devil
Silver Sable
Sister Grimm
Snowbird
Songbird
Spider-Girl
Spider-Woman (Drew)
Thor Girl
Topaz
Valkyrie (Norrington)
Vantage
Vindicator (Heather Hudson clearly, not her hubbie who also used the name)

again sorry

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I'm not getting that on the basis that it'll definitely have that crap about Scarlet Witch's "subconscious chaos magic" from Disassembled. I'm surprised they put Thor Girl in there though. I thought they were gonna disavow all knowledge of Thor and ignore the fact that he ever existed with the way they're treating him these days.

I'm a little bitter. :o

Oh yeah, dude, stop apologizing. It's not like you're taking the non-existant conversation going on off-topic or anything. :)

[Elijya]

i'm not encouraging another dwarf lord... maybe all you want is someone to join that wil give up some free wins... i'm a loser and i hate free wins...

yeah, that was exactly my line of thinking :rolleyes:

[Johnny Blaze]

or 2) take him out fast and hard because he's an unknown and thus potentially a HUGE threat. Obviously, any idiot with a shred of intelligence would go for the latter Excactly.
If any of your characters are smart enough, they'd try and take out the wildcards as quick as possible. And since Jesse is a regular Joe...

[TheCorpulent1]

Granted, but it still seems a little lopsided to me. Xavier's crippled but the power of his mind--which is significantly more versatile but, as a whole, still less powerful than Jesse's Word--makes him an uber. I'd be fine with him as either an uber or a middleweight, I'm just kind of curious why Xavier's uber and Jesse's not.

[Elijya]

I think you're just scared of him, AS

NOW who's the one trying to get easier wins :rolleyes:


and taht you didn't know jesse was a guy, and know nothing about him, and you're ralling on him, ugh. come on man, at least investigate some before you g on a tirade

another big factor in all of this is for characters to stay IN CHARACTER. Yes, Jesse could potentially tell an entire opposing team to simply "die", but this is not in his character. in fact, in the entire preacher series, Jesse only uses the Word maybe 2 dozen times. He doesn't like relying on it. Hell, even HE knows it'd be cheap to simply say that to an opponent right off the bat.

secondly, if I used Jesse that way (the way you're scared of, and the way he would never act) I know full well JB would kick him out of the DTL, taht's why I don't. I said when I first got him and people had questions about him, that I would never ever have him do that. I went into very lengthy discussions about his powers and his personality so everyone was very clear (so I'm confused why we're having this ocnverstaion again).

I have limited myself, in my own write -ups, to, at maximum, jesse using one automatic kill per-write up, and never as the first move. An opponent can write him however they want in their own writeups, as long as he's in character

now, do you still have a problem with him?

[AnnoyingSilence]

yeah, that was exactly my line of thinking :rolleyes:are you being serious or joking?

as for the word, medium... if your REALLY GOOD AT SOMETHING AND NOTHING ELSE... then its a medium. that much has been agree upon

[TheCorpulent1]

So... Xavier's a middleweight?

[Elijya]

of course I'm kidding (that's what the :rolleyes: was for)

do you honestly think I thought to myself "hmm, we need more people in the dtl, let me go recruit someone with potentiall poor character knowledge and limited availabilty on the off chance that when I go up against his team later in the season, it could possibly be an easier win"?

come on, man, I'm not THAT psycho

[Elijya]

So... Xavier's a middleweight?

Flash, too! he can only run

[Johnny Blaze]

Don't forget Amazo too. All he's good at is copying powers.

Granted, but it still seems a little lopsided to me. Xavier's crippled but the power of his mind--which is significantly more versatile but, as a whole, still less powerful than Jesse's Word--makes him an uber. I'd be fine with him as either an uber or a middleweight, I'm just kind of curious why Xavier's uber and Jesse's not.
He might get bumped up to Uber before the season is done.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm not lobbying for it or anything, just curious. Jesse's relatively easy to take down, I'm just saying that most teams are gonna end up with a sacrificial lamb on their hands.

[Johnny Blaze]

Yeah, but still...the Word is pretty freakin' powerful, and if it's going to be able to affect sentient machines as well as organics then it might be best to bump him up to Uber.

[TheCorpulent1]

Geez, my arguments are really screwing Jesse up in the DTL. Maybe I should just keep my mouth shut from now on. :o

[Johnny Blaze]

That would probably be best. :)

[Elijya]

is jesse were to be bumped up to uber, as far as I know, they would be the only 2 ubers with no way of physicly protcting themselves. they're both just normal guys

[The Leaguer]

Saturn Girl.

[Elijya]

I didn't realize SGH's telepathy was enough to warrent uber status

and I still don't know what a medium telepath is if Psylocke ir regular....

[Elijya]

two things:

one, I asked the managers a my local comic shop (who certianly speak with some authority) if they thought the Word would work on transformers (note: I also did say which side of the argument I was on) and one of them immediately bluttered out "of course!". the other agreed

second, I don't think whether he does affect sentient robots or not should be the lynch pin to making him uber. after all, this hadn't been brought up when JB originally classified him, and that Medium classification was still on the assumption he could command anyone

[The Leaguer]

Stop forgetting Fernus!

EDIT - Time travel pwnt this post. :(

[Johnny Blaze]

Betsy will, more than likely, be bumped up after this week.

[TheCorpulent1]

From what I understand...

Xavier, Martian Manhunter, Cable, X-Man, Jean Grey, Saturn Girl (she can use her telepathy across planetary distances), and ESPECIALLY Manchester Black = uber
White Queen, Marvel Girl, Brainwave II = middleweight
Psylocke, uh... I think that's the only one I can remember = reg

I think the reasoning is that any form of mind control or mechanism where one character can override another character's free will or just beat them into submission through mental force alone is potentially way too potent to take lightly. All they have to do is think and members of the other team start dropping.

[wiegeabo]

That's the big difference between Jesse and Xavier. While both could get you to do what they want, you have to actually hear and understand Jesse to be affected. Xavier could control you no matter what language you spoke, or even if you couldn't hear. And he has the distance advantage, able to control people across vast stretches.

[wiegeabo]

That too.

Edit * Whoa, time warp.

[Elijya]

but everyone on that uber list except xavier has additional powers beyond tehir telepathy


and jesse can't give complex commands, nor truly take control of someone. He also can't reach into their minds to extract information, or provide team communication

[Johnny Blaze]

That's the big difference between Jesse and Xavier. While both could get you to do what they want, you have to actually hear and understand Jesse to be affected. Xavier could control you no matter what language you spoke, or even if you couldn't hear. And he has the distance advantage, able to control people across vast stretches.
Yeah, but you can resist Chuck, but you can't resist Jesse at all.

[Elijya]

chuck's one of the most useless ubers out there, then

[TheCorpulent1]

That's why no one has him.

[XFanTim]

Having just faced Elijya's team, I've got to say I had a harder time coming up with good ways to take out his ubers, especially Dr. Fate. It's not that hard to write a fairly plausable writeup in which Jesse doesn't take out anyone on your team. In my writeup (which I'd like to think qualifies as fairly plausible), Firestorm choked everyone on a cloud of poison gas, and when Jesse finally was able to get out a command, all he was thinking about was stopping the gas. After that, everyone got the idea about what he could do and Iceman promptly froze his vocal cords. (Heck, I even restored him later in the match just to stop him a different way, by having Prometheus erase his own ability to understand English.)

Jesse would make a crappy uber. The only way he could earn his keep as an uber is if he did all the cheesy stuff he could potentially do, and even that wouldn't help his owner win the match, 'cause who's gonna vote for the guy who has Jesse say "Drop dead" over the guy who comes up with a creative way to stop it?

[Elijya]

thank you tim

[Ahura Mazda]

Would Jesse be a able to order a true God?

[TheCorpulent1]

The driving force behind most of Preacher's events is that Genesis, the entity living in Jesse's head, is more powerful than God. Enough so that God abandons Heaven and goes on the run to keep Jesse from finding him. Yes, that's right, God Himself is afraid of Jesse.

[Ahura Mazda]

But howe can Genesis be more powerful than God, if god created Genesis?

Are you just kidding or was the above truly how Jesse is portrayed?

[Elijya]

no, it's not quite that simple. God himself engineered genesis' creation because he was so love hungry, he sought love of a being more powerful than himself

genesis is an infant, however, it has no will of it's, just power. taht's why it bonded to jesse

[Ahura Mazda]

Than God created a being called Genesis, who is more powerful, who because of the way he was created was put into the hands of a simple man......Hmmmmmm I hope this story is never publisized to religious fanatics. They may find something wrong with it ;)

But ok I get the character, as weird as he sounds.

[Elijya]

you should really read Preacher some day, it's one of the greatest graphic novel stories ever

to this day, I am both grateful and amazed that no conservative group has ever heard of preacher. IF they did, the would reign down on the industry worse then fredrick wurtham ever did

[Guyverjay]

The driving force behind most of Preacher's events is that Genesis, the entity living in Jesse's head, is more powerful than God. Enough so that God abandons Heaven and goes on the run to keep Jesse from finding him. Yes, that's right, God Himself is afraid of Jesse.




I know Preacher is supposed to be good an all but that concept (at least the way you described it) sounds ridiculous

[Elijya]

gotta agree. you dind't really "sell" the book, corp

[Ahura Mazda]

Well the book seems interesting at least but I still find the whole premise quite dubious but if its written, it can be used

[primemover]

'The Word' from Top Ten has the same powers, anybody facing Elijya just recruit him and have them yell at eachother, that'd be fun!

[AnnoyingSilence]

I think it went alittle more like this...."hmm, we need more people in the dtl. let me go recruit someone with no potential, poor character knowledge and limited availabilty on the off chance he might be in my division so I get aleast 2 free wins.yea that sounds about right...:D

jesse can't give complex commands, nor truly take control of someone. He also can't reach into their minds to extract information, or provide team communicationso...

is jesse were to be bumped up to uber, as far as I know, they would be the only 2 ubers with no way of physicly protcting themselves. they're both just normal guysxavier

[AnnoyingSilence]

Don't forget Amazo too.
Flash, too! he can only run
So... Xavier's a middleweight?
omgosh... >sniffle<... sorry... >wimper<...THATS TEH WAY IT WAS DESCIBED TO ME... >all out balling<

)}>AS, wipes his but and swipes it under each of these 3 boozoo's noses<{(

[AnnoyingSilence]

Geez, my arguments are really screwing Jesse up in the DTL. Maybe I should just keep my mouth shut from now on. :oit seems like i was on your side the whole time:D:D:D:D

From what I understand...

Xavier, Martian Manhunter, Cable, X-Man, Jean Grey, Saturn Girl (she can use her telepathy across planetary distances), and ESPECIALLY Manchester Black = uber
White Queen, Marvel Girl, Brainwave II = middleweight
Psylocke, emma frostuh... I think that's the only ones I can remember = regno stryfe, no psimon, no fernis... i'm a happy man and leaguer still not getting his proposed attention for fernis

[AnnoyingSilence]

sss

[AnnoyingSilence]

Stop forgetting Fernus!

EDIT - Time travel pwnt this post. :(look at his avatar... he is SERIOUS!!

[The Leaguer]

Huh?

[AnnoyingSilence]

sss

[TheCorpulent1]

gotta agree. you dind't really "sell" the book, corp
I didn't know I was supposed to sell it. That is basically the driving force behind the book though, at its most basic: God is on the run from Jesse, who wants to use Genesis' power to teach God what-for.

[AnnoyingSilence]

MAN, if god is running from jesse... thats tells you how powerful the word is... he can make "too ubers" do things... hes atleast an uber

[Elijya]

I think it went alittle more like this....yea that sounds about right...:D

so...

xavier(robots or more powerful tele's)


that...that didn't make any sense. And you changed what I said when you quoted me

[JewishHobbit]

yeah, he does that a lot.

And FYI I am a strongly religious person and I do find the idea of the Preacher book rediculous,... but I'm also not one to take things to heart too much. It's a story,.. a story I don't much care for from what I've read and heard,... but a story none-the-less. I remember it had my attention when I first heard of it and then after researching it a bit more I just laughed at how stupid it was from a biblical standpoint and went on my way. I'm glad you like it though and I'm sure it's written well from a story standpoint,... but yeah,.. not my kind of book.

[Union Jack]

i know what you mean,the whole idea of god being afraid and creating an entity more powerful than himself is daft...i think.
I think i'll stick with superman,x-men and spidey...
The whole idea behind the comic don't really appeal to me..i like my superheroes super!

[Union Jack]

I'm not knocking anyone that reads it though...if they enjoy it thats great!
*tries to avoid argument!*

[JewishHobbit]

Same here,... if you like the story then read it. I'm sure it's written well.

[AnnoyingSilence]

that...that didn't make any sense. And you changed what I said when you quoted meread it all over again... an yes i changed what you said...:rolleyes:

the first two comments was for humor... i changed your statement

the third one i was pointing out that your comment didn't make a difference

the last comment i was pointing out that xavier is very vulnerable also

[XFanTim]

And FYI I am a strongly religious person and I do find the idea of the Preacher book rediculous,... but I'm also not one to take things to heart too much. It's a story,..
Similarly, I'm a physics student, and I find the idea of someone falling from a plane or the top of a tall building and being caught inches above the ground without dying to be ridiculous. But it happens in comics all the time. For that matter, I also find the idea of a genetic mutation causing the son of two ordinary humans to have functional wings (much less beams of concussive force shooting from his eyes, or the ability to transmute his entire body into some sort of living metal) to be ridiculous. Utterly, utterly ridiculous. Frankly, I'd be less surprised if the sun suddenly exploded for no apparent reason.

Lucky for me, I don't refuse to read works of fiction just because I find them completely implausible. If I did, I would have missed out on a lot of great stories.

Just to be clear -- I'm not criticising Hobbit's post -- I think we're both saying that it isn't worth getting mad at a work of fantasy for not being plausible. At most, I expect a work of fantasy to be consistent -- i.e., once it establishes the rules of its fictional universe, it should at least adhere to them.

[XFanTim]

The other reason it isn't worth it for religious people to get mad at comics for their weird portrayal of God, etc. is because almost nobody is actually going to base their religious beliefs on a comic. People believing the science they see in comics (and, especially, in movies) is probably more of a problem -- and since I teach college classes, having to unteach these ideas probably results in more work for me. But I try to be positive -- hopefully, the fact that many people have horribly inaccurate ideas about physics makes my degree a bit more valuable than it would be if everyone knew this stuff.

[X]

Similarly, I'm a physics student, and I find the idea of someone falling from a plane or the top of a tall building and being caught inches above the ground without dying to be ridiculous.

That was, uh, kind of adressed by Alan Moore early on in MiracleMan. He caught a baby while fighting KM, but broke a lot of it's ribs and what not, and he did it with great care. Great, great scene. :up:

[XFanTim]

That was, uh, kind of adressed by Alan Moore early on in MiracleMan. He caught a baby while fighting KM, but broke a lot of it's ribs and what not, and he did it with great care. Great, great scene. :up:
That's awesome, I'll have to read it sometime. I've never scene a comic where the issue of injuries due to someone's fall being stopped suddenly was dealt with realistically (except, perhaps, Gwen Stacy's death). And there are lots where it's dealt with unrealistically (generally, no injuries at all). But it's good to know that someone got it right (and it doesn't surprise me that it was Alan Moore).

[AnnoyingSilence]

Similarly, I'm a physics studentyou just like saying that, don't you... :hyper: :cool:

[X]

That's awesome, I'll have to read it sometime. I've never scene a comic where the issue of injuries due to someone's fall being stopped suddenly was dealt with realistically (except, perhaps, Gwen Stacy's death). And there are lots where it's dealt with unrealistically (generally, no injuries at all). But it's good to know that someone got it right (and it doesn't surprise me that it was Alan Moore).

I'll send you the entire run, plus bonus stuff and a MM mini if you want. :)

[X]

you just like saying that, don't you... :hyper: :cool:

Well, yeah. Some people have things in their lives to be proud of.

[XFanTim]

I'll send you the entire run, plus bonus stuff and a MM mini if you want. :)
That'd be awesome. :up: I'm not at my home computer right now, but next time I'm online from home if you're on I'll PM you or something.

[X]

Sounds good. I've got tons of good stuff, anything you want, you've got it. :up:

[AnnoyingSilence]

Well, yeah. Some people have things in their lives to be proud of.am i talking to you? plz don't talk to me:).

[X]

I don't know... Were you talking to me? Kind of hard to figure out, this being an open forum where anybody can post and what not. Hmm Hmm.

[AnnoyingSilence]

smarty pants
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/stupid%20stuff/daisy.jpg

[X]

Reminds me of that pathetic little dog in Once Upon a Time in Mexico...

[AnnoyingSilence]

i dunno, is that the one with Brad Pitt?

[X]

Johnny Depp. And, uh, Antonio Banders, Willian Dafoe, and Salma Hayek. Sequel to Desperado, which I just recently bought (Know you want to know these things :up:

[AnnoyingSilence]

could someone(>sigh< and i guess x...) point me to a pic of the QS with the Isotope E, plz?

[X]

He's no different then the normal Pietro. :confused:

[Gilrean]

Can anyone point me in the direction of a good GL (Hal Jordan) bio. Cheers :)

[yenaled]

"It can do anything" is a pretty good bio. But I like this one (http://www.rapsheet.co.uk/GoldenHeroes/Html/Bizzaro.asp?UniqueId=52).

Nightwing, Guy's yellow ring is exactly the same as a normal ring except it's constructs are yellow, it's power source is actually other Green Lantern rings, so he never needed to recharge it and as Green Lantern rings are/were/whoknows not able to effect yellow it means if I came up against a ring weilder I'd have a nice advantage.
Fire can fly and shoot fire at her opponents, she is also "virtually impervious to a lot of attacks" - but this is open to a lot of opinion - basically she is on fire so you don't really want to be punching her if your not protected from it.
Jason Blood is a powerful mage who is also imortal. He can do just about any magic but is not as powerful as say Fate. He can turn into Etrigan who is about as powerful as Solomon Grundy and leaps like the Hulk and he is magic based he can breath fire and shoot lightining from his hands. Etrigan is a deamon and not a nice person at all, so Jason doesn't like to unleash him a lot, but most the time he has no choice, and Etrigan speaks in rhyme which is actually a lot of fun to write.

[Gilrean]

Thanks Yenaled :)

[Elijya]

i know what you mean,the whole idea of god being afraid and creating an entity more powerful than himself is daft...i think.
I think i'll stick with superman,x-men and spidey...
The whole idea behind the comic don't really appeal to me..i like my superheroes super!


um, Preacher isn't a superhero story. in fact, there are lots of comics out there (many of them by your fellow brits) not about superheroes.

[TheCorpulent1]

Preacher's anything but a superhero story. But it is a good story. By far the most intelligent thing Ennis has written, since he seems to go a little too far into the gore and gratuitous violence most of the time these days, to the exclusion of a lot of other potential. Plus the characters are great, especially those from the Grail.

Regarding injuries from falls, flying characters should be able to save people with minimal injury by matching speed and then catching them, and the Flash can always negate the effects of acceleration slowly until the person is basically floating, then grab 'em. People like Spider-Man and Batman, however, would end up with a lot of broken bones in their rescuees. But it's always been one of those things that I take for granted as a suspension of disbelief. It's not hard to see most superheroes without any powers getting gunned down pretty easily either, but that's another thing that just automatically gets filed under suspension of disbelief.

[wiegeabo]

I may have missed it in a previous post, but anyone have a good layout or blueprint of Titan's Tower SF?

[XFanTim]

Regarding injuries from falls, flying characters should be able to save people with minimal injury by matching speed and then catching them
That would work fine if they saved enough time for a gradual deceleration. However, often in comics the flying hero catches the faller when they're about two feet off the ground. Which certainly looks very dramatic, but leaves the hero with the awkward choice of either decelerating so rapidly that it does as much damage to the faller as hitting the ground, or to decelerate more gradually, in which case they actually would hit the ground.

[TheCorpulent1]

Or, if the hero's fairly tough, they could "catch" the person at an angle, changing the momentum from straight down to an angled approach to the ground and take the brunt of the screeching halt they'd come to on their own body, acting as a human shield between the person and the ground. Still, they'd probably hurt the person anyway with such a sudden change in direction.

[XFanTim]

Yeah, it's the sudden change in direction that would be bad news for the faller, assuming they have only normal durability. I'm no anatomy expert, but I think the real problem is that people aren't rigid bodies -- just because you've grabbed a person's outsides and shifted their direction doesn't mean the insides automatically come along for the ride. If, say, your skull changes direction more quickly than your brain can keep up (I don't mean your thoughts, I mean the actual organ in your head), you're going to end up with your brain smushed against one side of your head. And of course most superheroes can only grab your outsides -- then it's the fluids, connective tissues, etc. inside your body that keep all your internal organs moving along with the outside -- and if the change of direction is too sudden, they can't keep up. Now, a telekinetic could probably grab someone's internal organs along with the rest of them, but most heroes don't have that option.

[JewishHobbit]

I may have missed it in a previous post, but anyone have a good layout or blueprint of Titan's Tower SF?

I was wondering this also,... or could someone just explain it to us? Do they have computers and files like JLA and how extensive would those files be? Is there any odd rooms like how the Watchtower has that room of trees? What's the surrounding area like? etc.

[LadyVader]

^ditto

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it's the sudden change in direction that would be bad news for the faller, assuming they have only normal durability. I'm no anatomy expert, but I think the real problem is that people aren't rigid bodies -- just because you've grabbed a person's outsides and shifted their direction doesn't mean the insides automatically come along for the ride. If, say, your skull changes direction more quickly than your brain can keep up (I don't mean your thoughts, I mean the actual organ in your head), you're going to end up with your brain smushed against one side of your head. And of course most superheroes can only grab your outsides -- then it's the fluids, connective tissues, etc. inside your body that keep all your internal organs moving along with the outside -- and if the change of direction is too sudden, they can't keep up. Now, a telekinetic could probably grab someone's internal organs along with the rest of them, but most heroes don't have that option.
Yeah, it's the same as a car crash, basically. I remember a presentation a cop gave in my high school... he came in with a jar and an egg, then asked me if I wore my seatbelt all the time. I told him I didn't always wear it when I was in the back seat and he proceeded to place the jar in the egg, cover the jar, and then ram it into his free hand. The egg got smushed and he said something like, "That would be what an accident would be like for you if you weren't wearing a seatbelt." The yoke is basically the organs of a person and the sudden change in direction or stopping of velocity is the same as the egg hitting the inside of the jar; the shell stops but the yoke keeps on chuggin' and the results are... well, sticky and gross in both cases, basically.

[Johnny Blaze]

Titan's Tower sits out on an island in the middle of the San Francisco bay, and is shaped like a giant T. It's got a briefing room, rec rooms, a Hall of Heroes that honors the Titans who have fallen in battle, living quarters, a gymnasium with an olympic sized pool, a nice sized grounds that holds Starfire's garden, etc.
Basically, just think of it as a Watchtower Light.

[LadyVader]

But does it have an armory, a laboratory or something with lots of technology and equipement?
Since Cyborg is half machine I'm thinking he should have some sort of maintenance room.

[Ahura Mazda]

Just wondering this but if you are punched out of the tower but you are still in San Fransisco and can get back are you still in the game or wher you taken out.

I have already posted so this will have no bearing on my match.

[yenaled]

As it is not on somewhere like the moon, or in space then I'm sure you could spill the fight into San Fransico.

[Guyverjay]

and is shaped like a giant T..

I always thought that was an awful design:o

[AnnoyingSilence]

if you get knocked outta the tower, you fall to the little island. if you wanna take if further you can take it san fran

[Harlekin]

But does it have an armory, a laboratory or something with lots of technology and equipement?
Since Cyborg is half machine I'm thinking he should have some sort of maintenance room.
He does.

[LadyVader]

what floor? how is it equipped?

[Harlekin]

I'm not sure what floor and it has been a while since I read it, but it basically takes Cyborg apart and cleans it or whatever he does in there.

[XFanTim]

I always thought that was an awful design:o
In terms of aesthetics I guess that's debatable -- but in terms of engineering, yeah, it's pretty bad. I would expect a building of that shape to fall apart under its own weight -- or, at the very least, it would be needlessly adding a drastic increase in cost in order for them to reinforce it in such a way that it wouldn't fall apart under its own weight.

If anyone doesn't get what I'm talking about, try standing up and holding your arms straight out from your sides for a few minutes.

[AnnoyingSilence]

I'm not sure what floor and it has been a while since I read it, but it basically takes Cyborg apart and cleans it or whatever he does in there.it issue #9
replaces, cleans, and updates

[X]

Somebody should really pick this guy up, seriously.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/voigt.htm

Not only does he have a crap load of powers to begin with, he's immune to mental tampering (Think Quasar) and he has the ability to copy powers, only much more powerful, Paragon style. Hell, even speedsters don't have anything on him. The faster you apporach him, the faster he'll copy that power and leave you in the dust. Make an awesome uber... :up:

[X]

Well, for anyone who's interested, The Karate Kid's final and greatest fight, in one of the best fights ever in a comic. Enjoy...

http://img150.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img150&image=nemesisval13ir.jpg
http://img172.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img172&image=nemesisval22fw.jpg
http://img172.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img172&image=nemesisval35ll.jpg
http://img105.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img105&image=nemesisval48az.jpg
http://img105.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img105&image=nemesisval54ty.jpg
http://img170.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img170&image=nemesisval60fa.jpg

[JewishHobbit]

So does he die after that? But I will say,... that was a heck of a fight! Very cool!

[Elijya]

Somebody should really pick this guy up, seriously.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/voigt.htm

Not only does he have a crap load of powers to begin with, he's immune to mental tampering (Think Quasar) and he has the ability to copy powers, only much more powerful, Paragon style. Hell, even speedsters don't have anything on him. The faster you apporach him, the faster he'll copy that power and leave you in the dust. Make an awesome uber... :up:


I'm slightly confused: can he only copy powers if the person with the powers is right in front of him, or does he catalogue them and use any power he's ever copied before

also, there might be several things to consider: can he only copy the powers of those who gained their powers from the White Event? he also certainly wouldn't be as skilled with the powers, I'm assuming. Additiuonally, I doubt his abilty to copy powers that are mystic in nature, I don't think, for instance, he could copy Dr. Strange's magical powers

also, depending on the answers to some of those qs, he might be too uber

[Johnny Blaze]

also, depending on the answers to some of those qs, he might be too uber Yeah, I gotta agree.

And that was pretty cool little brawl. Nemesis Kid looks to be a badass. :up: