Dream Team League (Discussion)

[TheCorpulent1]

The weakness to mistletoe is only a counter to his immortality, which is only in effect on Asgard. Outside of Asgard he's the same as any other Asgardian, and we've seen Thor take a lot of punishment, so he'd be pretty good on Earth.

[wiegeabo]

I thought all Asgardian's were weak against mistletoe. That you could kill them with a mistletoe arrow or something.

[Harlekin]

I thought all Asgardian's were weak against mistletoe. That you could kill them with a mistletoe arrow or something.
That's just Balder.

[XFanTim]

I don't know how it is in the comics, but in the myths nothing could kill Balder except mistletoe. It wasn't a weakness against that, it was an immunity to everything else.

It's been a while since I've read the story, but it was something like: It was prophecised that someone would kill Balder, so someone (his mother?) went around and made everything (people, animals, plants, even rocks) swear that they wouldn't harm him. And he was so universally beloved that they all did it. But she didn't bother to make the mistletoe swear, because it seemed so small and harmless. So then all the gods were celebrating by pelting him with stuff and marveling at how it didn't hurt him. But Loki, being a bastard, got the mistletoe and made it into an arrow, and then gave it to some blind god (I can't remember his name), and helped him shoot Balder, killing him. Then I think they had to go get him back from wherever Norse gods go when they die, and brought him back to life. Or something like that.

[primemover]

Can somebody refresh my memory on what players can take with them from the previous matches, ie power stealers and mimickers? I remember conversations about this before, and I seem to remember characters like these taking powers they copied along with them.

ie, if I have The Brain Genegraft Nightcrawlers tail, will he have that from then on in the league?

[Nightwing.]

no once youve finished a battle all memories/powers etc are erased and you start as if its your first battle

[Nightwing.]

so what advantage does asgardians have in this battle?can they summon things?are there any traps or anything?how is asgard any different to any other location apart from the fact its a viking style land and its quite big?

[Nightwing.]

does anyone know where i can get the software(free download that is) to convert .OMG files into .avi files?

[wiegeabo]

no once youve finished a battle all memories/powers etc are erased and you start as if its your first battle


Any weapons, devices, and powers you pick up during a battle are lost once it's over. But the only memories your players are forced to lose is of their deaths. Most of us let our players keep their memories of battles. I let mine keep their memories of the previous tournament.

The reason we ruled that they aren't allowed to remember their deaths is because, if they knew they would come back after dying, there would be no limits. You could just have a character blow up a planet, along with teammates and enemies, and win the match. It also ensures that sacrifices are heroic. If a hero knew that they would be back after death, most would probably sacrifice themselves without a moments thought. But if they still think they will die (permanently), then it would still be the ultimate sacrifice made only as a last resort.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Any weapons, devices, and powers you pick up during a battle are lost once it's over. But the only memories your players are forced to lose is of their deaths. Most of us let our players keep their memories of battles. I let mine keep their memories of the previous tournament.

The reason we ruled that they aren't allowed to remember their deaths is because, if they knew they would come back after dying, there would be no limits. You could just have a character blow up a planet, along with teammates and enemies, and win the match. It also ensures that sacrifices are heroic. If a hero knew that they would be back after death, most would probably sacrifice themselves without a moments thought. But if they still think they will die (permanently), then it would still be the ultimate sacrifice made only as a last resort.i severely disagree. if its a hero, there would be MASSIVE debating on the user's part. if the the only thing that thier not remembering is thier deaths, the teammates would remember that.villians or the plan out evil characters will destroy the world.

i disagree with remembering anything besides each other and what they can do/have done. they also would remember thier life in the comics and anything that corresponds with the correct dictation of that character. i think it is VERY wrong that they can remember anything from previous DTL battles.

[Elijya]

i severely disagree. if its a hero, there would be MASSIVE debating on the user's part. if the the only thing that thier not remembering is thier deaths, the teammates would remember that.villians or the plan out evil characters will destroy the world.

i disagree with remembering anything besides each other and what they can do/have done. they also would remember thier life in the comics and anything that corresponds with the correct dictation of that character. i think it is VERY wrong that they can remember anything from previous DTL battles.


why do you disagree?

[Harlekin]

I don't know how it is in the comics, but in the myths nothing could kill Balder except mistletoe. It wasn't a weakness against that, it was an immunity to everything else.

It's been a while since I've read the story, but it was something like: It was prophecised that someone would kill Balder, so someone (his mother?) went around and made everything (people, animals, plants, even rocks) swear that they wouldn't harm him. And he was so universally beloved that they all did it. But she didn't bother to make the mistletoe swear, because it seemed so small and harmless. So then all the gods were celebrating by pelting him with stuff and marveling at how it didn't hurt him. But Loki, being a bastard, got the mistletoe and made it into an arrow, and then gave it to some blind god (I can't remember his name), and helped him shoot Balder, killing him. Then I think they had to go get him back from wherever Norse gods go when they die, and brought him back to life. Or something like that.
Actually, I believe that Balder's death is what is the catalyst for Ragnarok in the myths.

[Ahura Mazda]

Actually, I believe that Balder's death is what is the catalyst for Ragnarok in the myths.

These are a couple links to Balder and his myth. From what I could remember his death was a sign but not the cause.

Balder (http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/norsegodspictures/a/baldersdeath_2.htm)
Balder (http://ancienthistory.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=ancienthistory&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.timelessmyths.com%2Fnorse%2Fra gnarok.html%23Balder)

[XFanTim]

i severely disagree. if its a hero, there would be MASSIVE debating on the user's part. if the the only thing that thier not remembering is thier deaths, the teammates would remember that.villians or the plan out evil characters will destroy the world.

i disagree with remembering anything besides each other and what they can do/have done. they also would remember thier life in the comics and anything that corresponds with the correct dictation of that character. i think it is VERY wrong that they can remember anything from previous DTL battles.
I don't think I follow the rationale for your objection, but in any case the rule is the rule. And wiegeabo explained the rule correctly: They can remember previous battles, but not deaths. Meaning for instance that if I had hung onto Darklore, then when I played Hobbit again his characters would know who he was, even though the first time around they had no idea. At least, that's what JB said when I asked that exact question after week 1.

I would like to point out that one advantage of that rule is that it allows people to create ongoing storylines, which would be pretty much impossible if they were memory wiped after each battle.

[wiegeabo]

i severely disagree. if its a hero, there would be MASSIVE debating on the user's part. if the the only thing that thier not remembering is thier deaths, the teammates would remember that.villians or the plan out evil characters will destroy the world.

i disagree with remembering anything besides each other and what they can do/have done. they also would remember thier life in the comics and anything that corresponds with the correct dictation of that character. i think it is VERY wrong that they can remember anything from previous DTL battles.


If you don't want your characters to remember anything, that's fine. That's your choice. I choose to let them remember. Just like it's ok for teams to use their prep-time in a base or other location, but I don't like doing that. I think having prep-time in the location of the battle makes it more interesting because they are thown into the fight and have to use their wits to make due with what's around them.

[Guyverjay]

Rich


Poor

[XFanTim]

ummm . . . middle class?

[Ahura Mazda]

Interesting in a post where somebody used the word rich referring to another post inferring it was allot to swallow and a comment that that commentary was poor you have other who automatically think of their economic status....

Sorry back to your original programming

[Guyverjay]

I like cake:up:

[XFanTim]

Interesting in a post where somebody used the word rich referring to another post inferring it was allot to swallow and a comment that that commentary was poor you have other who automatically think of their economic status....
So the words "rich" and "poor" don't make you think of economic status? I didn't actually think that Fox was saying wealthy . . .

[XFanTim]

I like cake:up:
mmmmm, cake. :)

[Ahura Mazda]

So the words "rich" and "poor" don't make you think of economic status? I didn't actually think that Fox was saying wealthy . . .


Never said they did not and it was not a criticism just a statement regarding human nature...I thought the same thing

[Johnny Blaze]

I don't know how it is in the comics, but in the myths nothing could kill Balder except mistletoe. It wasn't a weakness against that, it was an immunity to everything else.

It's been a while since I've read the story, but it was something like: It was prophecised that someone would kill Balder, so someone (his mother?) went around and made everything (people, animals, plants, even rocks) swear that they wouldn't harm him. And he was so universally beloved that they all did it. But she didn't bother to make the mistletoe swear, because it seemed so small and harmless. So then all the gods were celebrating by pelting him with stuff and marveling at how it didn't hurt him. But Loki, being a bastard, got the mistletoe and made it into an arrow, and then gave it to some blind god (I can't remember his name), and helped him shoot Balder, killing him. Then I think they had to go get him back from wherever Norse gods go when they die, and brought him back to life. Or something like that. It was Balder's blind brother, Hod, who threw the dart that Loki gave him.
Odin sent his son, Hermod, to Hel to ask to plead with her to return Balder to the land of the living. She agreed to do so on one condition...that everything in the world must weep for him, both living and dead. Everything did weep for him except Loki, who disguised himself as a witch called Thokk. And so, because not all of the world wept for him, Balder was forced to remain in the underworld.
Hid brother, Hod, was put to death by Vali, and Loki was punished by being chained to 3 large boulders and a poisonous snake was placed above his head.
Course, after Ragnarok, both Balder and Hod are to be reborn as part of the new order of gods.

[Harlekin]

Not to mention that Sif (I think it was her) was forced to catch the drops of poison that the snake dropped on Loki's head, causing him extreme pain, everytime she had to empty the bucket or whatever she used.

Come Ragnarok, he would be freed and lead the forces of evil against the other gods.

[Johnny Blaze]

Actually, it was Loki's wife, Frigga I think she was called, who caught the poison. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Not Sif, it was Loki's wife. He used her because he's a jerk but she genuinely loved him, so when he was punished by Odin she stayed with him and eased his suffering by catching the drops of poison.

The reborn gods thing is only present in some of the myths, if I recall correctly. Other tellings just leave Ragnarok as the absolute end of everything.

I've got a question about Deadman. Can anyone tell me why he's supposed to be so badass? I've seen people rave about him on these threads but after reading his page at Spider-Bob's, I just don't see it. He can possess people and that's it?

[Johnny Blaze]

True, but, personally, I prefer the rebirth of the gods myth...and hopefully Marvel does too. :D

[Guyverjay]

Not Sif, it was Loki's wife. He used her because he's a jerk but she genuinely loved him, so when he was punished by Odin she stayed with him and eased his suffering by catching the drops of poison.

The reborn gods thing is only present in some of the myths, if I recall correctly. Other tellings just leave Ragnarok as the absolute end of everything.

I've got a question about Deadman. Can anyone tell me why he's supposed to be so badass? I've seen people rave about him on these threads but after reading his page at Spider-Bob's, I just don't see it. He can possess people and that's it?


He's dead dammit... DEAD!!!!!!!!:mad:

[Harlekin]

Actually, it is Sigyn, not Frigga, Blaze. Frigg was the wife of Odin.

[TheCorpulent1]

But what does that MEAN?! He's invisible, except to people who can sense magic (which I've got in spades), and he can possess people but can presumably get kicked around by magical artifacts of power and magic users? I just don't see why he's supposedly so good. :confused:
True, but, personally, I prefer the rebirth of the gods myth...and hopefully Marvel does too. :D
Joe Q said Thor's supposed to be coming back this year at MegaCon. I just hope it's in a way that I can deal with, 'cause I'd hate to not buy his comic.

[Guyverjay]

But what does that MEAN?! He's invisible, except to people who can sense magic (which I've got in spades), and he can possess people but can presumably get kicked around by magical artifacts of power and magic users? I just don't see why he's supposedly so good. :confused:



Um....he's dead:confused:

[Johnny Blaze]

Actually, it is Sigyn, not Frigga, Blaze. Frigg was the wife of Odin.
Sigyn, that was it; been a little while since I've read my Norse myth. :o

[Harlekin]

Sigyn, that was it; been a little while since I've read my Norse myth. :o
I just checked the good old Encyclopedia Mythica (www.patheon.org)

[XFanTim]

I just checked the good old Encyclopedia Mythica (www.patheon.org)
I assume that's supposed to be www.pantheon.org. Cool link, though.

[Harlekin]

Yeah, sorry about that. I meant Pantheon. Its very useful.

[TheCorpulent1]

Um....he's dead:confused:
I love our little talks, Guyver. They're always so helpful.

[Nightwing.]

If you don't want your characters to remember anything, that's fine. That's your choice. I choose to let them remember. Just like it's ok for teams to use their prep-time in a base or other location, but I don't like doing that. I think having prep-time in the location of the battle makes it more interesting because they are thown into the fight and have to use their wits to make due with what's around them.

i was under the impression they couldnt remeber didly squat.that helps because i picked up black adam who fought on the same team as darkseid so he can give info on all union jacks characters.wohoo.thats allowed isnt it?

[Harlekin]

I think that if they switched teams, traded, dropped and than picked up again by another team, they would logically speaking remember nothing of the former team. Basically, the character would get reset.

[Union Jack]

cheers harlekin thats what i thought too...every match is like a one off story..a one shot thats how it should be right?

[Nightwing.]

ok jack you win.....back to the drawing board

[Harlekin]

Battles are not necessarily oneshots, it just seems logical that when picking up a character that was once in someone else's DTL team, that the character is for all intents and purposes 'reset', as if they never participated.

[Union Jack]

in that case if you have fought say one team once...and killed them..how can you face them again.
thats why i thought they were all like one shots.

[JewishHobbit]

Just so everyone knows I may or may not be very active this week,... I don't know yet. I just got news that one of my good friends died in a car accident so I'm not exactly in the mood to mess around. It may take my mind off things so I may stick with it but we'll see. I just wantd to say this so everyone knows why I may be disappearing for a bit.

His name was Wayne and he's only been married for about a year or so. His daughter is turning 3 sunday and he just got his dream mechanic job last week. If any of you pray please do so for his wife as she isn't doing well. This adds to the fact that a friend of her's committed suicide last monday.

Sorry to kill the mood but I just wanted everyone to know. Thanks.

[Elijya]

:(.

[X]

Just so everyone knows I may or may not be very active this week,... I don't know yet. I just got news that one of my good friends died in a car accident so I'm not exactly in the mood to mess around. It may take my mind off things so I may stick with it but we'll see. I just wantd to say this so everyone knows why I may be disappearing for a bit.

His name was Wayne and he's only been married for about a year or so. His daughter is turning 3 sunday and he just got his dream mechanic job last week. If any of you pray please do so for his wife as she isn't doing well. This adds to the fact that a friend of her's committed suicide last monday.

Sorry to kill the mood but I just wanted everyone to know. Thanks.

Sorry to hear it man. People trying to convey stuff like this over the internet, not very effective. I feel for ya. :(

[Nightwing.]

i think we should all put some kind of remeberance in our signatures for hobbit and for his friend wayne

[Harlekin]

Obviously, my condolances go out to Hobbit and the family of Wayne. That just plain sucks. :(

Union Jack: You stumped me on that one.

[XFanTim]

Just so everyone knows I may or may not be very active this week,... I don't know yet. I just got news that one of my good friends died in a car accident so I'm not exactly in the mood to mess around. It may take my mind off things so I may stick with it but we'll see. I just wantd to say this so everyone knows why I may be disappearing for a bit.

His name was Wayne and he's only been married for about a year or so. His daughter is turning 3 sunday and he just got his dream mechanic job last week. If any of you pray please do so for his wife as she isn't doing well. This adds to the fact that a friend of her's committed suicide last monday.

Sorry to kill the mood but I just wanted everyone to know. Thanks.
My god Hobbit that's horrible news. I never know what to say when something like this happens . . . the world can just be so, I don't know, so painfully unfair sometimes. I'm not a praying man (and I don't think it'd be right to, you know, fake it) but please know that I will have your friend's wife and daughter in my thoughts, and all the people (like yourself) who cared about him. You have my deepest sympathies.

[Union Jack]

yeah...sorry to hear that hobbit,you and his family have my sympathy too.

[XFanTim]

in that case if you have fought say one team once...and killed them..how can you face them again.You just remember everything except killing them. The end of the battle is "foggy" in your memory.

[JewishHobbit]

I'll be fine as I have a habbit of finding the good in everything. Here's my thinking right now,.. but to understand it I'll give you a bit of back story. Wayne and Courtney met a long while ago and Courtney got pregnat. She got bitter and left him and he was hurt. He knew Courtney had gone to my church so he came after that in hopes of being able to keep in contact with her and his eventual kid. She wasn't kind to him at all. I got to know him and learned he was an amazing guy. All he wanted was to have Courtney back but he was patient about it. He waited while she dated around. He watched while his daughter was born. And all the time she just ragged him like he was the worst person on earth. She slept around with a lot of people and he knew it,.. but he waited anyway. He had a lot of problems with the law and was running from that and his biggest dream career-wise was to be a mechanic.

Time passed and even though he and Courtney went through so much crap that I can't say it all here,.. he still loved her. Eventually he and she both left the church. About a year later they both came back and to all of our surprise they were back together, dating. A short time later I got a call and it was Courtney telling me that she's stopped rebelling completey and was trying to get her life back together,.. and that her and Wayne had just gotten married. She started going to college and he got his law problems sorted out. They were happy. Just last week he got his dream mechanic job. Everything was looking up.

I know this sounds like a sad thing now,.. but I look at is as in every dream he set in the past 3 or 4 years I've known him he accomplished and when he went out he was living the life he dreamed. I am happy that he was able to accomplish that and I only dream I'm so happy. While it's hard for Courtney and Madelyne I am happy for Wayne. I'm pretty sure he was still okay with God and now he's in a place better than the one he left,.. I have that hope. I am trully happy for him,.. even if it's killing the rest of us here.

[4StringFox]

They will be in my thoughts and I will hope for a quick recovery for Courtney...

[AnnoyingSilence]

I don't think I follow the rationale for your objection, but in any case the rule is the rule. And wiegeabo explained the rule correctly: They can remember previous battles, but not deaths. Meaning for instance that if I had hung onto Darklore, then when I played Hobbit again his characters would know who he was, even though the first time around they had no idea. At least, that's what JB said when I asked that exact question after week 1.

I would like to point out that one advantage of that rule is that it allows people to create ongoing storylines, which would be pretty much impossible if they were memory wiped after each battle.i know, and i'm kul with it. i just don't agree that it should go that far. trust me, i'll be doing the samething here soon:D

[Nightwing.]

well not wanting to add to the mood but i just found out last night that one of my best friend's dad died last saturday and the funeral is on monday and and i also found out my mum fell and fractured her skull and shes now in hospital so im probably not doing a write up this week.

[AnnoyingSilence]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/stupid%20stuff/sorry.gif
(with all seriousness)
>tears<
i knew him also and dated her in school. they guy refused to be depressed, refused to let his daughter go, fought hard in life and keep his head up thru the rough stuff JH just described. you read JH's post and you think, "man that bad.". well i can tell you somethin, its was alot worse to watch in person. i'm not saying that i know the guy inside and out, but he was a friend. a friend that helped you however he could. if you need a prime comic example, then he would rank with
morph(Exiles)
Multiple Man
Strong Guy etc...
its not that he was awsomely funny, but more that you couldn't help catching the vibe that he was giving off.
he won't be remembered by many, but that never mattered to him. he only wanted few things in life. his daughter, his wife, and to be a mechanic.

[AnnoyingSilence]

well not wanting to add to the mood but i just found out last night that one of my best friend's dad died last saturday and the funeral is on monday and and i also found out my mum fell and fractured her skull and shes now in hospital so im probably not doing a write up this week.:eek: OMGOSH. NW, i will pray for her and the family of your friend. i hope everything goes well with your mom and your friends family finds a health way of copeing:(

[Ahura Mazda]

Just so everyone knows I may or may not be very active this week,... I don't know yet. I just got news that one of my good friends died in a car accident so I'm not exactly in the mood to mess around. It may take my mind off things so I may stick with it but we'll see. I just wantd to say this so everyone knows why I may be disappearing for a bit.

His name was Wayne and he's only been married for about a year or so. His daughter is turning 3 sunday and he just got his dream mechanic job last week. If any of you pray please do so for his wife as she isn't doing well. This adds to the fact that a friend of her's committed suicide last monday.

Sorry to kill the mood but I just wanted everyone to know. Thanks.


I feel very sorry for you, your family and especially my best best wishes and hope go out to his wife and 3 year old daughter. :(

[Ahura Mazda]

well not wanting to add to the mood but i just found out last night that one of my best friend's dad died last saturday and the funeral is on monday and and i also found out my mum fell and fractured her skull and shes now in hospital so im probably not doing a write up this week.


I hope your Mother gets better. I know how it is, as my Mother is not doing too well and she may have to get surgery as well. I hope your mother recovers well.

Well this has cheered me up....:(

[JewishHobbit]

well not wanting to add to the mood but i just found out last night that one of my best friend's dad died last saturday and the funeral is on monday and and i also found out my mum fell and fractured her skull and shes now in hospital so im probably not doing a write up this week.

Sorry man,.. sucks to be us huh? I wish you mom good health. I'll be praying

[Johnny Blaze]

Jeez, I'm sorry to hear about this, Hobbit and Nightwing. :(

Hobbit, you have my condolences. Believe me when I say I feel for ya and know what you're going through; I've lost a good friend and two of my best friends within the past 4 years. That **** hurts man, and I'll make sure to say a prayer for his family and what not.

And Nightwing, I'm sorry to hear about your loss as well, and I hope your mother gets better with a quickness.

[XFanTim]

Can somebody please describe what Captain Britain's powers currently are, including what level they're at? (In other words, not just "superstrength, flight, etc." but how strong is he, how fast can he fly, how much damage can he withstand, etc.) Also, are they innate or do they come from his costume/weapons? (It makes a huge difference, since I have Paragon, who can copy innate powers but not weapons.)

I am getting conflicting (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/captainbritain.htm) reports (http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/c/capbrit.htm).

[X]

Somebody might want to look into this guy, sounds like Marvel's version of Nemesis Kid. :up:

http://www.samruby.com/Villains/Answer/answer.htm

[XFanTim]

Somebody might want to look into this guy, sounds like Marvel's version of Nemesis Kid. :up:

http://www.samruby.com/Villains/Answer/answer.htm
Given that his foes are people like Spider-man, Black Cat, etc., do you think he could be called a regular? I mean, I know he can have basically any power he wants, but presumably not at uber level, right?

[X]

I was kind of thinking about it myself. Flight, superhuman strength, didn't seem like anything to big, but enough to supposedly stomp Spidey. Hell, look at Animal Man and the variety of powers he has.

[XFanTim]

Cool, well I just tried to get him in the transaction thread (contingent on him being a regular) . . . much as Speedball is a good character, I think I might have more fun with the Answer. (Thought about dropping Gamora, but I don't want to go down to one female character.)

[primemover]

Wasn't there a character called Quiz that could have any power you DON'T think of, that'd be interesting :)

[X]

Wasn't there a character called Quiz that could have any power you DON'T think of, that'd be interesting :)

Hhahaam yeah. Part of Byrne's Doom Patrol, really good stuff.

[JewishHobbit]

Just thought I'd mention that I just made a full list of every comic I own,.... it's a lot!!!

[XFanTim]

Still looking for some info on Captain Britain (see #6061, above).

[JewishHobbit]

I just counted and I have drematically less than I estimated... I have around 3,379 comics. I was expecting more than double that,.. oh well.

[AnnoyingSilence]

I just counted and I have drematically less than I estimated... I have around 3,379 comics. I was expecting more than double that,.. oh well.:eek:thats all?!

[XFanTim]

Is there any reason Paragon couldn't copy Darkseid's Omega Effect?

Also, I've read the Omega Effect can transport people through time and space, as well as destroy them. Is there any reason Darkseid couldn't use it on himself to transport himself somewhere?

[Union Jack]

The version i use is this...Captain Britain (http://www.x-mencomics.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2110)

as for darkseid...i doubt paragon would be able to physically weild the omega effect...so i'd say no to him copying the omega effect.

plus can paragon copy abilities given to someone by magic...its not a typical physical attribute so surely he cannot copy a magical granting?

[XFanTim]

Well, he was able to copy Wonder Woman's abilities, which I believe are magical. And he can copy knowledge, which I would assume includes a mage's knowledge. But I don't know that he'd necessarily have access to all the same sources of power that a magic user uses.

[XFanTim]

So in other words, I don't really think he could duplicate everything Merlin can do (I'm not sure, but I'll assume not), but he should definitely be able to copy Captain Brittain's powers. (Since the link you gave said they're innate to him, not from his costume/equipment.) Whether it's magic doesn't matter, the only thing he has trouble with is technology, or if they aren't really part of the person (e.g. Green Lantern's power is in the ring, not in himself.) And he should be able to duplicate Darkseid's physical abilities (strength, durability, etc.), although perhaps not the Omega Beams. (Although, I'm not sure on that point -- is Darkseid's control of the omega effect achieved through technology? If it's innate to his being, then I'd think Paragon could copy it.) Of course Paragon won't be able to copy Darkseid's tech, like, say, a boom tube.

[XFanTim]

Just to be clear, this business of Paragon copying "physical abilities" was just my way of trying to explain that it was things a person can do themselves, not with weapons.

A better way of saying it might be this:
If Paragon is near any organic being, he gains the ability to do everything that they can do without the aid of outside devices (machines, weapons, magic artifacts, etc.). Only Paragon is even better at it than the person he's copying.

[Elijya]

I have an issue I recently thought of:

Iron Man is considered an Uber because he's a regular guy, but he has armor that can enable him to go toe to toe with the Hulk. Meanwhile, someone like Brainiac 5 or reed Richards is considered a regular even though it's game for them to bring a forcefield belt into the battle that makes them tougher than Iron Man and Weapons 1000 times more deadly than his repulsor rays

thoughts?

[Johnny Blaze]

What weapons are you refering to that are 1000 times more powerful than IM's repulsors? :confused:

[X]

Is there any reason Paragon couldn't copy Darkseid's Omega Effect?

Also, I've read the Omega Effect can transport people through time and space, as well as destroy them. Is there any reason Darkseid couldn't use it on himself to transport himself somewhere?

Seid' just uses boomtubes, he's been doing that for decades. Hell, he's fast enough to grab Superman by the throat so fast that he can't even see Seid' move. Guess he just doesn't want to turn them on himself.

[X]

I have an issue I recently thought of:

Iron Man is considered an Uber because he's a regular guy, but he has armor that can enable him to go toe to toe with the Hulk. Meanwhile, someone like Brainiac 5 or reed Richards is considered a regular even though it's game for them to bring a forcefield belt into the battle that makes them tougher than Iron Man and Weapons 1000 times more deadly than his repulsor rays

thoughts?

Durabilities a completely different thing than strength. Rom can roll up into a ball and take a beating from a pissed off Hulk. Doesn't exactly equate to strength though.

Most Brainy can do is project his forcefield and maybe stun for a second or two a Superman level being. Regardless, he doesn't have anything near 1000 times as powerful as what Tony has. Hell, Tony has psi shields which can keep a pissed Phoenix out, he's stalemated the SS and KO'ed The Hulk. But, if you want to drag Pre-Crisis DC into this, yeah, sure, Legion has the nastiest tech in the friggin' universe, not that they ever used it, but still. The Concentrator and the Dimensional Blaster come to mind. :up:

[Elijya]

What weapons are you refering to that are 1000 times more powerful than IM's repulsors? :confused:

I was exaggerating, but you get my point

any device that a smart character can come up with, whatever that device does, it's just as if that character has that power inherently

[X]

The ability Reed has to flex the gray matter depends completely on him knowing who he's going against. And a lot of the time, Doom, Thanos, Reed, they've got no idea. And it's not like Reed has planet busting power behind his intellect. Hell, Doom's an uber, Brainy one million's a middleweight. I think everything evens itself out, personally.

[wiegeabo]

Would any of the DC's on my team know about Saturn Girl or Brainian 5? I've been racking my brains because I thought they would, but I can't remember a specific instance, so I can't be absolutely sure. Don't want to risk screwing up my writeup.

[X]

Would any of the DC's on my team know about Saturn Girl or Brainian 5? I've been racking my brains because I thought they would, but I can't remember a specific instance, so I can't be absolutely sure. Don't want to risk screwing up my writeup.

Nope.

[XFanTim]

Two character suggestions:

Doctor Doom, Sorcerer Supreme (from What If? Vol. 2 #52) -- Basically, Doom became the Ancient One's student instead of Strange. He still has tons of scientific knowledge and technological resources, but he's also a really kick ass magic user.

Leader-Hulk (from What If? Vol.2 #53) -- The mind and full intelligence of the Leader (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/l/leader.htm), in the body of the Hulk.

[X]

Two character suggestions:

Doctor Doom, Sorcerer Supreme (from What If? Vol. 2 #52) -- Basically, Doom became the Ancient One's student instead of Strange. He still has tons of scientific knowledge and technological resources, but he's also a really kick ass magic user.

Leader-Hulk (from What If? Vol.2 #53) -- The mind and full intelligence of the Leader (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/l/leader.htm), in the body of the Hulk.

That Doom ended up beating Dormammu one on one. I mean, he had that magical artifact, but still... freaking Dormammu. Heh, in the end he switched his mind to Strange's body. :D

Never even heard of The Leader Hulk one. Did he still have his telepathy and what not? Sounds like a slightly toned down Doomsday Braniac.

[XFanTim]

Well, the thing is Leader-Hulk only existed for one panel. But it seemed like he was supposed to have all the abilities of both the Leader and the Hulk. What If? #53 contained three short stories, one of which was "What if Rick Jones had remained the Hulk?" or something like that. (I almost typed "What if Rick James were the Hulk, which would also be an interesting story. ;)) Anyway, at the end there was some sort of three way power transfer between Rick, Bruce Banner and the Leader (I don't remember all of the details . . . ) and in the end all the power ended up going into Bruce's body, along with the Leader's mind. (Bruce's mind ended up in the Leader's comatose body.) He looked like the hulk with a big green Leader egg-head on top.

Now I've really got to run catch my flight.

[Guyverjay]

Would any of the DC's on my team know about Saturn Girl or Brainian 5? I've been racking my brains because I thought they would, but I can't remember a specific instance, so I can't be absolutely sure. Don't want to risk screwing up my writeup.


Yes Kyle would know Brainiac 5 from the time they were stranded back in time. I'm don't think he met them personally but Superman did, if you believe all that JLA file stuff then he should know brainy

[Nightwing.]

can anyone send me links for primeovers team? i cant find these characters

Xavier Juggernaut (MU)
Tomorrow Woman (DM) (F)
Max Mercury (DM)
Amazing Man II (DR)
The Brain (JLA: Year One Composite version) (DU)

and is this the right guy?

Sentinel (Alan Scott) (Final Night version) (DU) (http://www.dccomics.com/secret_files/dc_character.html?sc_dc_itemCode=sentinel)

[Harlekin]

http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/max.html
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=96&page=9
For Max and X-Juggernaut

[primemover]

can anyone send me links for primeovers team? i cant find these characters

Xavier Juggernaut (MU)
Tomorrow Woman (DM) (F)
Max Mercury (DM)
Amazing Man II (DR)
The Brain (JLA: Year One Composite version) (DU)

and is this the right guy?

Sentinel (Alan Scott) (Final Night version) (DU) (http://www.dccomics.com/secret_files/dc_character.html?sc_dc_itemCode=sentinel)

Xavier Juggernaut is basically Juggernaut with Charles Xavier inside, so combine their powers and you have him.

Tomorrow Woman is an android created by Professor Ivo and T.O. Morrow that is telepathic and telekinetic, here are two posts I made on her powers/feats:

Post about Tomorrow Womans feats and powers (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4713215&postcount=2957)

also check out this link (http://www.classicmarvel.com/cast/tomorrow_woman.htm)

Max Mercury is like the original speed-force speedster, he can do the near lightspeed speed, phasing through objects, etc.

Amazing Man II, here are two posts I made that explain everything he can do, also check out my previous write-ups, he has been in all 5 I have done.

Link 1 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4865471&postcount=7735)
Link 2 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4865772&postcount=7738)

The Brain (JLA: Year One Composite version) is basically a composite character made out of limbs/bodyparts of other heroes with the powers/objects from those he has part of it. From the start he has Hal Jordans arm and ring, Barry Allens lower body, the Martian Manhunters eyes and Black Canaries vocal chords. In addition he has a gun that can take more parts from other beings and add it to his own. Heres a post (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5173977&postcount=5989) I made about it.

That is correct about Sentinel, just remember the version I have does not have the weakness to wood.

[JewishHobbit]

YAHOOOO I'm now graduated to the adult world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*aka,.. I now have a big avatar

[Ahura Mazda]

Good for you :D

By the way, is there anyway to ask a mod to make the DTL update thread 'sticky'?

[Elijya]

there is (ask a mod) but it would piss off everyone who comes to misc comics and isn't in the DTL. if we ever get out own forum, it will be stickied

[Elijya]

Well, the thing is Leader-Hulk only existed for one panel. But it seemed like he was supposed to have all the abilities of both the Leader and the Hulk. What If? #53 contained three short stories, one of which was "What if Rick Jones had remained the Hulk?" or something like that. (I almost typed "What if Rick James were the Hulk, which would also be an interesting story. ;))


http://images.somethingawful.com/inserts/articlepics/photoshop/11-28-03-comics/osoiman.jpg

[Ahura Mazda]

http://images.somethingawful.com/inserts/articlepics/photoshop/11-28-03-comics/osoiman.jpg



That could make some cool write ups for those that know how to do good ones. You just would need some music in the background ;)

[Harlekin]

That could make some cool write ups for those that know how to do good ones. You just would need some music in the background ;)
Except that its a fake. ;)

[Ahura Mazda]

Except that its a fake. ;)


Well even if it is it is quite funny and I must say it is well done.

[Johnny Blaze]

http://images.somethingawful.com/inserts/articlepics/photoshop/11-28-03-comics/osoiman.jpg
That's freakin' awesome. :D :up:

[AnnoyingSilence]

I'm Rick James, B****

[Harlekin]

I'm Rick James, B****
http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=chappelle
:p.

You just made me remember that specific column on "I'm Rick James, *****". Nothing personal.

[AnnoyingSilence]

lmbo, thats great.

[X]

Well, just like to apologizefor not voting this week. Not an end all thing, but, you know.

[Elijya]

http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=chappelle
:p.

You just made me remember that specific column on "I'm Rick James, *****". Nothing personal.


the thing is, chapelle hates when people shout out his lines just as much. I'm sure if maddox were more well known, people'd be repeating his ****, too

[AnnoyingSilence]

Soon I'll be making a thread for recruiting people. It will have all the rules in it.
If there any changes, adding or subtracting, then it will also show in that thread.
Just like "The DTL Character Lobby" and "DTL Update" it will also be shown in my signature for future reference.

[Nightwing.]

can anyone give me some info or a link to the amalgam character Doomnaut?its a cross between doomsday and juggernaut but thats all i got.

[AnnoyingSilence]

just pick up juggy (http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=596) or j2(MC2 Universe) (http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=581)

[Nightwing.]

is the marvel's Blob a medium or reg?

[Johnny Blaze]

I'd say he'd be a MM.

[AnnoyingSilence]

is the marvel's Blob a medium or reg?before onslaught reg, after medium

[wiegeabo]

What's the differences with Absorbing Man (Earth X)?

[Elijya]

What's the differences with Absorbing Man (Earth X)?


he absorbed Ultron and can now remember material's, he doesn't need to have them on hand to become like them. Unlike Metamorpho, he can transform into more complicated materials, like adamantium, rubber, tar, etc. I forget how he gained this ability, but he was also able to increase his size and actually became quite huge at the end of Universe X. The earth had lost so much mass and it spinning out of orbit, and he sacrificed himself to replace that mass by growing very huge

[wiegeabo]

Was he a hero, or a villian who just sacrificed himself?

[JewishHobbit]

A Villain who had a moment of riteousness and sacrefised himself to save the world.

[Elijya]

here's what happened: when he gained these new abilities, he fought the avengers, and ended up killing most of them (giant man, hawkeye, quicksilver and scarlet witch). Vision phased through him and infected him with a computer virus as he did so (which he was no vulnerable to with his absorbed ultron components). HE shrunk down and changed to a rock form in order to try and keep the virus from spreading, in this moment of weakness, vision shattered him. The peices were each entrusted to different people in the hope they would never be reassembled. a few years later, a relgious cult called the Tong of Creel and attempted to resurrected him. peice by peice they regathered his parts, often murdering their protectors. Eventually, they assmbled them all and brought him back to life. As soon as he awoke, someone explained to him the dire situation I described above, and made the heroic sacrifice

[wiegeabo]

Thanks guys, just what I needed to know.

[AnnoyingSilence]

how do you view single posts, nightwing?

[The Leaguer]

Click the number at the top right of each post.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Leaguer... how do i become tropico-sexual?

[AnnoyingSilence]

ok, now the rules are on my sig people.

[4StringFox]

Hi. What do you do against the Power Cosmic? Really?

[AnnoyingSilence]

yea well... beat the crap out of'm

[Ahura Mazda]

Hi. What do you do against the Power Cosmic? Really?


I counterred it with 1. equal/superiour power and 2. magic therefore my use of Odin against the Silver Surfer

[Nightwing.]

i used gog an he absorbed the power and then opened another teleport and teleported the power back at dr doom.

[Nightwing.]

When is jb posting week 9 sets?i want to post my write up.its crap but itll do

[Ahura Mazda]

When is jb posting week 9 sets?i want to post my write up.its crap but itll do


Thursday 12h or 13h eastern

[Johnny Blaze]

When is jb posting week 9 sets?i want to post my write up.its crap but itll do
Well, I was going to post them up in a few minutes, but, since you're complaining, I guess I'll wait to post them until Thursday at 1:00 PM EST. http://www.honda-acura.net/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[XFanTim]

I counterred it with 1. equal/superiour power and 2. magic therefore my use of Odin against the Silver Surfer
Odin once took down Silver Surfer in one shot. Which was crap, but still, it happened.

[Nightwing.]

Well, I was going to post them up in a few minutes, but, since you're complaining, I guess I'll wait to post them until Thursday and 1:00 PM EST. http://www.honda-acura.net/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

i wasnt complaining i was just asking.

[Ahura Mazda]

Odin once took down Silver Surfer in one shot. Which was crap, but still, it happened.


I do not think it was crap, not at all and I am completely objective :o

*Leaves before anybody starts questioning the objectivity part* :D

[4StringFox]

I counterred it with 1. equal/superiour power and 2. magic therefore my use of Odin against the Silver Surfer

typical DTL.
"How do you fight a really uber Uber?"
"WITH A GOD, IDIOT!!"

[Johnny Blaze]

Heh, I know, but still...your asking has doomed us all to wait another day. :D




































I'm just kidding, btw. Each week's battles always go up on Thursdays around 1:00 PM, EST...which would make it 6:00 PM in the UK I believe.

[Guyverjay]

Odin once took down Silver Surfer in one shot. Which was crap, but still, it happened.


Yeah they should have renamed the Comic

THANOS

and friends

[Johnny Blaze]

Heh, I think Thanos & Friends does have a better ring to it. :D

[Guyverjay]

You would:mad:

[Ahura Mazda]

typical DTL.
"How do you fight a really uber Uber?"
"WITH A GOD, IDIOT!!"


Well you have Dr. Fate who is very powerful magic user....

[4StringFox]

Bloodscream: Regular?
Mastermind: Regular?

[Johnny Blaze]

You would:mad:
Of course. :D


Mastermind, the X-Men foe, I'd say would be a Reg. Bloodscream... I'll need some info on.

[4StringFox]

Bloodscream:
- Psychic vampire. Requires life energy of others to survive.
- His touch causes victims to bleed uncontrollably and sucks their life energy into him. The process is very fast -- touching a normal human for a few seconds would be enough to send them to the emergency room. I don't know how or if his touch affects living things with no blood.
- Anyone he kills by aformentioned means becomes a zombie under his control, distinguished by a large red scar in the shape of his hand wherever he touched them.
- Has a healing factor, which is accelerated by drinking fresh blood or sucking life force.
- Can elongate fingers, fingernails, jaw, and teeth.
- Some superhuman strength and speed.
- Very durable and immune to all weapons made by mortals. (Interestingly, not immune to bare-handed combat, although unarmed Wolverine wasn't able to faze him much.)
- Accomplished martial artist, both barehanded and with twin swords (some artists draw them as katana, some actually draw them as Western longswords).
- Been alive since the 16th century and has only died in the Marvel sense.

[X]

he absorbed Ultron and can now remember material's, he doesn't need to have them on hand to become like them. Unlike Metamorpho, he can transform into more complicated materials, like adamantium, rubber, tar, etc. I forget how he gained this ability, but he was also able to increase his size and actually became quite huge at the end of Universe X. The earth had lost so much mass and it spinning out of orbit, and he sacrificed himself to replace that mass by growing very huge

He was about four and a half thousand feet tall. :up:

[X]

Oh, and he turned into vibranium, and Iron Maiden manipulated the vibranium into the Earth. :up:

[AnnoyingSilence]

bloodscream is not worth picking up
get another version of sabretooth, like ultimate

[X]

Get the class 50 adamantium Sabertooth. :up:

[Guyverjay]

Didn't he still get beat by Wolverine?:D

[AnnoyingSilence]

if thats what you call getting beat(which was a cop-out to a real fight). still bloodscream is crap thru and thru

[X]

Didn't he still get beat by Wolverine?:D

Completely and totally destroyed him actually. Sabertooth to Wolverine that is.

Also beat The Wendigo, skinned him and everything. :rolleyes:

[AnnoyingSilence]

Completely and totally destroyed him actually. Sabertooth to Wolverine that is.

Also beat The Wendigo, skinned him and everything. :rolleyes:i utterly agree with x. wolvy is still an over played pussy who only acts like he can hold is own. if he wasn't a good guy and so easy to write, he'd not been in a story since his first appearance.

[Nightwing.]

yeah im not to keen on wolverine. even for the films they dragged his character on.i mean he isnt owt special.he can only do close combat fighting and yeah he has the metal but so what....he bugs me.hes really depressing.and like AS said if it wasnt for the memory thing for project x then he wouldnt hold a very good story.personally i think sabretooth is better.doesnt he have healing factor too?

[Elijya]

it's weapon x, not project x

[Nightwing.]

sorry my mistake

[AnnoyingSilence]

SaberTooth is a literal blood thirsty killer.

he has everything wolvy has, including the claws. i can't remember the issue right off hand, but its with graydon hired him to kill mystique. in that issue he gets a mad upgrade. hes 2xfast, strong, healing factor, senses, everything.

[XFanTim]

I remember adamantium Sabretooth kicking Wolverine's ass the first time he showed up (although Wolverine was adamantium-less at the time). But I think Wolverine beat him later . . . Didn't Apocalypse make them fight to determine who would become his horseman? And Wolverine won, so Apocalypse took the metal out of Sabretooth and put it back in Wolverine. Although Sabretooth later got his adamantium back . . .

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, Wolverine kicked Sabretooth's ass when Apocalypse made them fight for the adamantium. According to the comic, Wolverine fought harder because he knew that he could use whatever will he had left as Apocalypse's horseman to try and curtail the damage he'd cause, whereas Sabretooth would just go buck-wild and kill everything in sight. I thought that was kind of lame when I read it, but it's not unheard of for the underdog to win through sheer determination. Wolverine pulled a Rocky, basically.

So, hey... does this mean Star Wars characters would be allowed too?
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/80577495046.1.GIF

[The Leaguer]

We've been over the Star Wars thing a million times, apparently the consensus is no, and the reason is "just because."

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, I just found out that they had a Marvel series.

[XFanTim]

I thought they were illegal because their first appearance wasn't in a comic book?

[JewishHobbit]

I thought they were illegal because their first appearance wasn't in a comic book?

That's my understanding

[The Leaguer]

Neither did Transformers, but that didn't stop them.

[4StringFox]

Transformers have interacted with 616. That's why they're allowed, as I recall. Spider-Man and associated personnel have appeared in several issues and if I remember right Captain America cropped up once.

[TheCorpulent1]

Now that I actually have Thor, I'm kind of curious about what separates King Thor from other super-uber-badasses-to-end-all-badasses like the Composite Man and others again... I'm not trying to start an argument or anything, I just want to refresh my memory.

[The Leaguer]

Gah, even mighty Corp has fallen victim to the Composite Man propaganda!

[X]

Gah, even mighty Corp has fallen victim to the Composite Man propaganda!

Hahaha. :D

[TheCorpulent1]

What propaganda? I think a single guy who can take out the entire Legion doesn't really need any propaganda...

[X]

He never took them out, actually. He lost every fight he ever had with them. :(

[The Leaguer]

There, you see!? C-Man is the most over-hyped thing since the American Godzilla movie.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, then I stand corrected. I guess I'll stick with regular Thor, secure in the knowledge that King Thor would pwn virtually anyone in the DTL and deserves to be too uber. :)

[The Leaguer]

C'mon, people, don't buy into the propaganda!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/TheLeaguer/Composite-Hitler.jpg

[X]

Bwhahhahaa. :D :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, that's cute.

[Johnny Blaze]

Hahahahahahahahahahaha...the Composite Hitler. That's freakin' hilarious. :D

[Elijya]

Oh, then I stand corrected. I guess I'll stick with regular Thor, secure in the knowledge that King Thor would pwn virtually anyone in the DTL and deserves to be too uber. :)

Desak :D

[X]

Or Strange before he had almost everything stripped away from him by Loki. :D

[XFanTim]

OK, here's a little discussion question just because I'm bored . . .

Who do you consider the Top 5 most powerful characters currently in the DTL?

[Johnny Blaze]

Hmm...that is a good question...there's soooo many good characters in this thing too; it's hard to narrow it down to just 5.

I think the power copiers Amazo, Composite Man, and Paragon are up there. Then you've got the A-list brawlers like the Maestro, the Doomsdays, the Juggernauts, Asmodel, Validus, and General Eiling. Then you've got other characters like Thanos, Odin, Dr. Strange, Aza Chorn, Takion, Composite, Resurrection Man, Darkseid, Gladiator, the Fury...I can't rightly pick a top 5. At least, not without some thought. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Desak :D
King Thor killed Desak twice, once when he was just plain old Desak and again after he'd merged with the Destroyer.

Strange would be fighting an even more powerful magic user than Odin if we're talking about King Thor after he'd gained all his wisdom and mastered runes. Maybe Strange could take him, but I think he'd be in for a hell of a fight.

[JewishHobbit]

Top five characters huh?...

Off the top of my head and not in any specific order:

Composate Man
BION
Odin
Xaviernaut (or whatever we call him)
Dr Doomsday maybe

[The Leaguer]

Another falls to the Composite Man propaganda machine!

[X]

Hmm...that is a good question...there's soooo many good characters in this thing too; it's hard to narrow it down to just 5.

I think the power copiers Amazo, Composite Man, and Paragon are up there. Then you've got the A-list brawlers like the Maestro, the Doomsdays, the Juggernauts, Asmodel, Validus, and General Eiling. Then you've got other characters like Thanos, Odin, Dr. Strange, Aza Chorn, Takion, Composite, Resurrection Man, Darkseid, Gladiator, the Fury...I can't rightly pick a top 5. At least, not without some thought. :o

:) :up:

King Thor killed Desak twice, once when he was just plain old Desak and again after he'd merged with the Destroyer.

Strange would be fighting an even more powerful magic user than Odin if we're talking about King Thor after he'd gained all his wisdom and mastered runes. Maybe Strange could take him, but I think he'd be in for a hell of a fight.

Strange, using every artifact and bit of power, took a galaxy busting attack from Adam Warlock with The Infinity Gauntlet. He fought for five thousand years against major gods in another realm. He's defeated Dormammu, who's pretty much exactly like Odin (It's been acknowledged by both) and Shuma Gorath, who's an entire universe. Hell, he's defeated Zom who The Living Tribunal stepped in to imprison... Not to mention Nebulos, who once made The Tribunal bow to him.

[X]

Top five characters huh?...

Off the top of my head and not in any specific order:

Composate Man
BION
Odin
Xaviernaut (or whatever we call him)
Dr Doomsday maybe

You put Dr. Doomsday on there when Doomsday Braniac is in this thing? :D

[JewishHobbit]

I said it was off the top of my head. I actually forgot about Doomsday Brainiac,.. but yeah I'd put him above Dr. Doomsday.

[primemover]

ooooh, pick top 5 middleweights and regulars too!!

[Guyverjay]

Gah, even mighty Corp has fallen victim to the Composite Man propaganda!

:D.

[TheCorpulent1]

Strange, using every artifact and bit of power, took a galaxy busting attack from Adam Warlock with The Infinity Gauntlet. He fought for five thousand years against major gods in another realm. He's defeated Dormammu, who's pretty much exactly like Odin (It's been acknowledged by both) and Shuma Gorath, who's an entire universe. Hell, he's defeated Zom who The Living Tribunal stepped in to imprison... Not to mention Nebulos, who once made The Tribunal bow to him.
Yeah, but I was talking about just Strange and his usual stuff.

I think if someone (see: wiegeabo) picked up the 616 Captain America from Avengers Forever, where he had super-strength on top of his usual badassery, he'd definitely be one of the best regulars in the game.

[wiegeabo]

I think if someone (see: wiegeabo) picked up the 616 Captain America from Avengers Forever, where he had super-strength on top of his usual badassery, he'd definitely be one of the best regulars in the game.


hmmm... (folds arms across chest and holds chin in hand with eyebrow raised)
I'm listening...

[AnnoyingSilence]

Who do you consider the Top 5 most powerful characters currently in the DTL?Bion
Cerebro
Cosmic Storm
Odin
DoomsDay

1, you have to get the best multi-multi-mutli-multi powered destroyers. Cerebro has just about the whole marvel universe. If i was hobbit i'd use'm alittle more offend, but i do understand leaving him for the wild card. Bion... need i say more???
Cosmic Storm... he has something the rest of them don't, Massive Potential. I seriously got jealous when i didn't get him first. Not even meaning to CS took a guy apart layer by layer by layer, without even trying, just defending himself.
Odin, well because it was a BIG deal for a lot of people to keep him out of it. i don't know who he is, but when you have some of the power housers around here rushin to ban'm... thats bad.
I say flat out DD because if he has a scientific mind behind it... now where near as crazy.

[Ahura Mazda]

Bion
Cerebro
Cosmic Storm
Odin
DoomsDay

1, you have to get the best multi-multi-mutli-multi powered destroyers. Cerebro has just about the whole marvel universe. If i was hobbit i'd use'm alittle more offend, but i do understand leaving him for the wild card. Bion... need i say more???
Cosmic Storm... he has something the rest of them don't, Massive Potential. I seriously got jealous when i didn't get him first. Not even meaning to CS took a guy apart layer by layer by layer, without even trying, just defending himself.
Odin, well because it was a BIG deal for a lot of people to keep him out of it. i don't know who he is, but when you have some of the power housers around here rushin to ban'm... thats bad.
I say flat out DD because if he has a scientific mind behind it... now where near as crazy.


I think you should have Composite Man straight up there.

Odin is the King of the Norse Gods and the father of Thor.

[Nightwing.]

Top five characters huh?...

Off the top of my head and not in any specific order:

Composate Man
BION
Odin
Xaviernaut (or whatever we call him)
Dr Doomsday maybe

what about merlin or darkseid or orion?

[Nightwing.]

JB: in the team link in the DTL update could you change my name from Nightwing124 to Nightwing?thanks and also could you edit my team to switch gog for martian manhunter

[Nightwing.]

Oh, I just found out that they had a Marvel series.

i think it was decided because it has to have started in comics and the star wars comic is based on/a follow on from the film.im not sure which came first out of transformers cartoon or comic but i believe it to be the comic first

[Franklin Richards]

Top Five Regulars.



No. 5


The Karate Kid

In his baliwick he is the BEST. All Legion members are the best at what they do. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the Legion. Karate Kid's specialty combined with his flight ring and other Legion gear plus his knowledge of the future AND the past. The Legion idolize old DC heroes so they prolly know alot about them. Let me put it this way. Think Bruce Lee with anti-grav.

No. 4

Mr. Fantastic

You know I had to put an FF'er in this spot. Reed gives you the super power of "Dramatic License." I don't care what uni you come from, Marvel or DC, Reed is the guy I want "figurin' **** out." Oh and lets not forget that he's virtually impervious to physical damage. Wolverine couldn't get his claws in him. And he's got the basic attacks of Doc Ock and Venom if he chooses.

No. 3

Valkyrie

This chick is a must have. Not only is she the second most powerful fighter in Asgard. Not only is she second only to Sif when it comes to swordplay. Not only does she have a flying horse. Not only is she a skilled tactician. Not only is she the choser of the slain. Not only does she carry a multi cultured, multi empowered, oriental dragon tooth, rune encrusted, Norn augmented, cut through anything, bad ass sword named Dragonfang. She can benchpress 50 tons. Someone should pick her up.

No. 2

Chunk

What can you say about a guy who's power is to "get rid of stuff". Where's this guy when I'm moving? Plus he looks damn sharp.

No. 1


Karnak


This guys superpower is to "find any weakness." Read it again. Plus he's no slouch in the martial arts department and he's got that great Inhuman physiology. He needs a new tailor, true. But he's got the upper hand on Ben Grimm before and that's no easy task.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Ahura Mazda]

I honestly do not know who the top 5 ubers are because I think it depends on how we portray them. Take for example the C-Man in last season's finale he basically achieved super uber status at the end. He has that potential.

We play down the uberness of the characters with the greatest potential. Characters like Odin and Zeus could potentially predict everything that their mortal opponents could do and use what appears to be their limitless powers (if used to the max of their potential) to win each time. They are just underneath the great cosmics in power. C-Man with the Multiple man on his team should be able to overwhelm just about any character.

Then again most of these ubers all have a weakness which can be used to be taken down.

Among the regs, I think Zeitgeist should be included in FR's list.

[Nightwing.]

i agree.i know we have characters that people class as too uber.but in all fairness when does a character ever get used to his full potential?i mean you've got silver surfer and other cosmic beings who can do a hell of a lot of damage on a universal scale yet we have them taking out one person.then you have people like king thor who is classed as too uber because of what he has done in the past.surely if a character is played down then they should be allowed. For example xavier juggernaut is not only unstoppable in terms of his physical attributes but he also a very powerful psychic.yet toned down he only picks off a few people at most or he just throws them around with his mind.and stryfe is a badass psychic who could take out the whole of his opponents before they'd have a chance to discover who they were against.a swift mind blast (which wouldnt require too much effort and the whole of his opponents are labotamised.) what im trying to say is even though people are classed as too uber its the way they are portrayed to win peoples votes so people like phoenix and king thor could be used so long as they didnt go major psycho and kill everyone off in the first few seconds of the battle cos thats not what people want to read.they want a lengthy battle of an even keel.

also paragon - how can someone copy another persons abilitites but better.surely if they could be better then the original person would use them to that potential.i mean say he was to go against galactus are you telling me he could muster the power cosmic better than him?surely if there was potential for more power it would only be forged by galactuas himself.i dont believe someone can out power the original power holder.(if that makes sense.)

[HighVoltage]

Hey dudes,please,give me a cool name(& kick ass)for my Dream Team of MARVEL SUPERHEROES:

GLADIATOR.(From Imperial Guard.)
STORM.
MOON KNIGHT.
NAMOR.
QUASAR.
QUICKSILVER.
CAPTAIN MARVEL.(From uh, MARVEL.)

[Harlekin]

I suggest you go over the rules first, over the existing teams, your Marvel and DC knowledge, before trying to apply here.

[Guyverjay]

I think you should have Composite Man straight up there.

Odin is the King of the Norse Gods and the father of Thor.


Damn right C-man should be at the top of the list:p

He's my hero:(

[Johnny Blaze]

Know love for Takion for the Ubers, or Batman (1 Million) for the Regs, eh? :D

Hey dudes,please,give me a cool name(& kick ass)for my Dream Team of MARVEL SUPERHEROES:

GLADIATOR.(From Imperial Guard.)
STORM.
MOON KNIGHT.
NAMOR.
QUASAR.
QUICKSILVER.
CAPTAIN MARVEL.(From uh, MARVEL.)
One step at a time, Voltage. :D
Check out the DTL Rules link in AnnoyingSilence's signature. Read them and then, if you have any questions on them, ask your questions here in this thread. :up:

[Elijya]

King Thor killed Desak twice, once when he was just plain old Desak and again after he'd merged with the Destroyer.



that second one has been ruled CIS. I haven't read the first one yet, but Desak obviously survived it

[Elijya]

Know love for Takion for the Ubers, or Batman (1 Million) for the Regs, eh? :D


One step at a time, Voltage. :D
Check out the DTL Rules link in AnnoyingSilence's signature. Read them and then, if you have any questions on them, ask your questions here in this thread. :up:


has this guy been invited to the DTL yet?

[Johnny Blaze]

has this guy been invited to the DTL yet? Nope, but you don't need an invite to join the DTL.

[Nightwing.]

arent most of the characters that voltage mentioned taken?i know that gladiator and quick silver are arent they?

[TheCorpulent1]

hmmm... (folds arms across chest and holds chin in hand with eyebrow raised)
I'm listening...
In Avengers Forever, Avengers were plucked from all throughout time. One of them was Captain America, who was taken from a time when he was super-strong but had just had his self-confidence shattered. Don't worry about the self-confidence thing though, because Cap regains his self-confidence by the end of Avengers Forever with his super-strength intact, so you could just say you've got him from when he has both.

As for exactly how strong he is, I'm not entirely sure. He still fights like Captain America which means he's still all about finesse, not brute force, so there's not a lot of notable feats he does with his strength in AF. I found this one, which shows him swatting away a whole bunch of enemies, among whom are a Doombot and the last viking from Simonson's Thor run, who should have the strength of an average male Asgardian (class 50) since he died and went to Valhalla. Maybe someone else who's more familiar with Silver Age comics can help you out on exactly how strong he was.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/thecorpulent1/strongcap1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/thecorpulent1/strongcap2.jpg

So you'd have an earlier Cap who'd have the handicap of not knowing a lot of the more recent stuff that's happened to the Avengers but the advantages of Captain America's fighting skills, leadership, and super-strength (and presumably enhanced durability) on top of that.

[Ahura Mazda]

Just wondering but is there a rule that we have to use each of our characters at least once during the regular season?

[Elijya]

Just wondering but is there a rule that we have to use each of our characters at least once during the regular season?


there's a rule that you have to use at least 10 different characters through out the whole season, yes.

when I was first told that rule, I was kind of upset about it, cause I figured I'd want to use the same five for every match. I ended up switching characters around alot, though, and I think I reached my 10 for the season in set 4 or 5, so it's not a big deal. check your previous matches and I'm sure you'll find you've already done it

[Elijya]

on the top 5 medium characters, Jesse Custer is definitely on that list. He's my little ace in the hole :up:

midnighter tops the regular list, too, I feel

[Guyverjay]

that second one has been ruled CIS. I haven't read the first one yet, but Desak obviously survived it

Been ruled CIS?

You say that like its official or something:D


He didn't survive he got KILLED..DEAD.

He got resurrected later on by the ***** who gave him his power, he didn't survive squat:up:

[Guyverjay]

Another falls to the Composite Man propaganda machine!


Sure he got written poorly but written to his potential, there is virtually noone he shouldn't be able to beat one on one

Hmmm thats Probably why he was written poorly:D

[TheCorpulent1]

Guyver's right, Thor killed him the first time with the Bloodaxe.

I don't see how the second was ruled CIS. Thor launched Mjolnir, something Desak's gem can't absorb, at him with what looked like a god blast and the Odinpower behind it. I'd say that'd destroy just about anything this side of the Living Tribunal.

[Ahura Mazda]

Guyver's right, Thor killed him the first time with the Bloodaxe.

I don't see how the second was ruled CIS. Thor launched Mjolnir, something Desak's gem can't absorb, at him with what looked like a god blast and the Odinpower behind it. I'd say that'd destroy just about anything this side of the Living Tribunal.


Yes, that was a great series. And even if some claim the fight was too short (which I do not agree with) it definetely showed that King Thor in those final pages where he realised the error in his ways was nigh invincible and uber powerful.

By the way I would just like to note that if he is ever allowed, Guyverjay and I get him as we asked for the trade quite a few pages back (dropping Odin in the process) :p

[TheCorpulent1]

That's ok, I can get my own King Thor if he's allowed. :)

[Nightwing.]

there's a rule that you have to use at least 10 different characters through out the whole season, yes.

when I was first told that rule, I was kind of upset about it, cause I figured I'd want to use the same five for every match. I ended up switching characters around alot, though, and I think I reached my 10 for the season in set 4 or 5, so it's not a big deal. check your previous matches and I'm sure you'll find you've already done it

i think ive used my 10.....ive gone through 43 characters i havent used em all but ive switched em in and out of my team over the 6 weeks ive been in the dtl

[Guyverjay]

That's ok, I can get my own King Thor if he's allowed. :)


SILENCE!!!!!!!!!:mad:

[Harlekin]

10 characters? Psssh, got that done around set 3 or something.

[Guyverjay]

Hmm lets see

Odin
Validus
Xavier Juggernaut
Kid Quantum
Zietgiest
Brainiac 417
Fury
Doomsady Brainiac

Hmmm when we use Leejah and cosmic spider-man that will be ten...yay

[Nightwing.]

J2(MC2) (MU)
Silver Surfer (MU) 1
Cassandra Nova (MU) (F)
Martian Manhunter (DU)
Blob (MM)
Gambit (MR)
Giganta (DM) (F)
Zookeeper (DR)
Spiderman 2099 (Miguel O’Hara) (MR)
Orion (DU)
Superman Blue (DU)
Blade (MR)
Speedy (Mia) (DR) (F)
Green Skull (Lex Luthor/Red Skull) (DR)
Skulk (Hulk/Solomon Grundy) (MU)
Speed Demon (Flash II/Etrigan/Ghost Rider) (MU)
Captain America (MR)
Jade Nova (MU) (F)
Green Arrow (DR) (Connor Hawke)
Lady Deathstrike (MR) (F)
M’onel (DU)
Superboy (DM)
Magenta (DR) (F)
Kaine (MR)
Steel (DM)
Nemesis II (DR) (F)
Punisher 2099 (Jake Gallows) (MR)
Ultimate Colossus (MM)
Gunshot (MR)
Steel 2.0 (Natasha Irons) (DM) (F)
Junkpile (MR)
Black Queen (Selene) (MM) (F)
Rhino (MR)
Metamorpho (DU)
Replicant (DM)
Sistor Superior (Vera Lynn Black) (DM) (F)
Terrax (MU)
Onomatopoeia (DR)
Loki (MU)
Fantomex (MR)
Black Adam (DU)
Gog (DU)
Hyperion (MU)
Megatron (MU)

these are all the characters that have appeared in HOTNA

[Nightwing.]

for the record Silver Surfer is the Earth M version

[TheCorpulent1]

SILENCE!!!!!!!!!:mad:
Mkay. :D

[Elijya]

Guyver's right, Thor killed him the first time with the Bloodaxe.

I don't see how the second was ruled CIS. Thor launched Mjolnir, something Desak's gem can't absorb, at him with what looked like a god blast and the Odinpower behind it. I'd say that'd destroy just about anything this side of the Living Tribunal.


actually, yes, JB did rule it CIS. Desak has blocked/deflected both Mjolnir and the odin power seperately with ease

[TheCorpulent1]

actually, yes, JB did rule it CIS. Desak has blocked/deflected both Mjolnir and the odin power seperately with ease
Give me one instance of Desak blocking Mjolnir because I've found 2 already in just 5 minutes of looking where Desak gets floored by Mjolnir: once in Thor Annual 2001, thrown by regular, non-King Thor, and again in Thor #48, thrown by an even WEAKER version of Thor who was just Jake Olson sucking some of King Thor's strength. I'm not talking about energy projected from Mjolnir, I'm talking about the hammer physically hitting Desak.

[primemover]

Wait, I thought that of your final roster by the time the playoffs start, you would have needed to start every one at least once, or you would be forced to start that character in at least the first playoff match?

[Guyverjay]

Give me one instance of Desak blocking Mjolnir because I've found 2 already in just 5 minutes of looking where Desak gets floored by Mjolnir: once in Thor Annual 2001, thrown by regular, non-King Thor, and again in Thor #48, thrown by an even WEAKER version of Thor who was just Jake Olson sucking some of King Thor's strength. I'm not talking about energy projected from Mjolnir, I'm talking about the hammer physically hitting Desak.


Tis true from Desaks appearances that I've read, he's not even as durable as Juggernaut.

Against a decently powerful non God type he'd get his ass kicked imo:o

[Elijya]

when I inquired about it, JB had some complicated rules in place that didn't quite make alot of sense, I felt, and I said "why not just have it that throught out the season you must start at least 10 different characters?" and JB agreed that that was simpler, so that's how the rule stands, iirc

[Elijya]

the guys name is desak THE GOD SLAYER. he's been around the galaxy and killed hundreds of gods of different worlds. I really just don't see King Thor being a problem for him, because the gods of other worlds must have had their own high fathers, and he beat them, too

I'm willing to concede maybe he couldn't go toe to toe with the hulk or juggernaut (etc), but anyone who's a god he should own

[Guyverjay]

I'm willing to concede maybe he couldn't go toe to toe with the hulk or juggernaut (etc), but anyone who's a god he should own

Weren't you saying that he could steam roll over both Doomsday-Brainiac and Xavier Juggernaut at the same time earlier on?:confused:

[TheCorpulent1]

the guys name is desak THE GOD SLAYER. he's been around the galaxy and killed hundreds of gods of different worlds. I really just don't see King Thor being a problem for him, because the gods of other worlds must have had their own high fathers, and he beat them, too
Logic doesn't stand too well when the comics don't back it up. God types, from what I've seen, tend to be one-trick ponies and rely mainly on energy. We've seen that from loads of god type characters and cosmic characters: the majority of them just don't like to get their hands dirty, so they rely on energy manipulation instead. Desak's gem is specifically designed to absorb any energy a god type throws at him directly, so of course he's gonna stomp on any and every god who throws energy around. Thor doesn't just throw energy around, he throws a giant hunk of uru metal around too. Desak is immune to Mjolnir's energy manipulation powers and any energy Thor or any other god throws at him, but he's not immune to being hit by a blunt object.

Thor's hurt Desak pretty much every time they've met because he stuck his energy attacks in his back pocket and relied primarily on slamming the s*** out of Desak with Mjolnir and his fists. Regular Thor's not a match for Desak that way and even King Thor was evenly matched against Desak at best. But King Thor killed Desak first by lodging the Bloodaxe about a foot deep inside of Desak's chest. We've already established that physical objects can hurt him and the Bloodaxe is sharp enough to cut through the Juggernaut's armor, so of course it cut through Desak and killed him. King Thor killed Desak the second time by slamming Mjolnir into him hard enough to vaporize him. He did that by putting the god blast and the Odinpower BEHIND it. It was still Mjolnir, the blunt object that has hurt Desak numerous times in the past, hitting him head-on, it was just backed by loads and loads of concussive force from the Odinpower and the god blast.

In the end it always comes down to the fact that Thor beat Desak because Thor's the hero and the hero always wins, but frankly I don't see any problem with either of the ways Desak was killed.

[Nightwing.]

what does CIS stand for?

[Guyverjay]

Hey Corp question because I'm not sure myself.

Is URU naturally nigh on indestructable or does it only bercome so after say someone like Odin enchants it?

what does CIS stand for?

Character induced stupidity

Theres also Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS

[TheCorpulent1]

Heh, you said PIS. :D
Hey Corp question because I'm not sure myself.

Is URU naturally nigh on indestructable or does it only bercome so after say someone like Odin enchants it?
I don't really know that myself. X seems to think that Mjolnir is so tough because Odin enchanted it, but every list of Mjolnir's enchantments I've seen say nothing about enhancing its durability, which leads me to believe that uru is naturally durable. On the other hand, I can't really account for the fact that Thor could tear the allegedly indestructible uru apart with his bare hands early on in his career except by saying that it was early in his career and his power level was quite a bit higher than what it settled at later on. Of course, uru was supposed to be stronger than any earthly material, which would include adamantium, but Thor hasn't been able to tear adamantium apart as far as I've read. Marvel's generally neglected to try and rectify the relative strengths of a lot of materials, so the bottom line is, I haven't a f***ing clue.

[4StringFox]

No. 1

Karnak


This guys superpower is to "find any weakness." Read it again. Plus he's no slouch in the martial arts department and he's got that great Inhuman physiology. He needs a new tailor, true. But he's got the upper hand on Ben Grimm before and that's no easy task.

You forgot to mention that Karnak has the best hat in the DTL. :)

[Guyverjay]

Heh, you said PIS. :D

I don't really know that myself. X seems to think that Mjolnir is so tough because Odin enchanted it, but every list of Mjolnir's enchantments I've seen say nothing about enhancing its durability, which leads me to believe that uru is naturally durable. On the other hand, I can't really account for the fact that Thor could tear the allegedly indestructible uru apart with his bare hands early on in his career except by saying that it was early in his career and his power level was quite a bit higher than what it settled at later on. Of course, uru was supposed to be stronger than any earthly material, which would include adamantium, but Thor hasn't been able to tear adamantium apart as far as I've read. Marvel's generally neglected to try and rectify the relative strengths of a lot of materials, so the bottom line is, I haven't a f***ing clue.

I see

I suppose simce I have Odin anyway, my DTL plan can still work:up:

[Elijya]

Logic doesn't stand too well when the comics don't back it up. God types, from what I've seen, tend to be one-trick ponies and rely mainly on energy. We've seen that from loads of god type characters and cosmic characters: the majority of them just don't like to get their hands dirty, so they rely on energy manipulation instead. Desak's gem is specifically designed to absorb any energy a god type throws at him directly, so of course he's gonna stomp on any and every god who throws energy around. Thor doesn't just throw energy around, he throws a giant hunk of uru metal around too. Desak is immune to Mjolnir's energy manipulation powers and any energy Thor or any other god throws at him, but he's not immune to being hit by a blunt object.

Thor's hurt Desak pretty much every time they've met because he stuck his energy attacks in his back pocket and relied primarily on slamming the s*** out of Desak with Mjolnir and his fists. Regular Thor's not a match for Desak that way and even King Thor was evenly matched against Desak at best. But King Thor killed Desak first by lodging the Bloodaxe about a foot deep inside of Desak's chest. We've already established that physical objects can hurt him and the Bloodaxe is sharp enough to cut through the Juggernaut's armor, so of course it cut through Desak and killed him. King Thor killed Desak the second time by slamming Mjolnir into him hard enough to vaporize him. He did that by putting the god blast and the Odinpower BEHIND it. It was still Mjolnir, the blunt object that has hurt Desak numerous times in the past, hitting him head-on, it was just backed by loads and loads of concussive force from the Odinpower and the god blast.

In the end it always comes down to the fact that Thor beat Desak because Thor's the hero and the hero always wins, but frankly I don't see any problem with either of the ways Desak was killed.

it's more then just energy. Desak deflected flights of enchanted arrows the asgrdians sent agianst him, too. He is capable of manipulating actual enchanted objects

and yes, thor won because he's the hero, but that effect doesn't exist in the DTL :p:D

[Elijya]

Weren't you saying that he could steam roll over both Doomsday-Brainiac and Xavier Juggernaut at the same time earlier on?:confused:


I said I was willing to concede that desak wouldn't be able to stand up to guys like that because he's specificly designed to take out gods. From a sheer power level, if he can take on hercules, thor and beta ray bill simultaneously, hulk, juggy, etc, should be no problem for him. But, if he's beating gods because he's specifly designed to beat gods, then it's not so clear cut. But if he's built to beat gods, then let him beat gods.

The fact remains he's never been shown fight non gods, though

[Guyverjay]

Meh he died when he got stabbed by the Bloodaxe. I don't think that would kill Hulk, Doomsday or Juggernaut

Doing well against Bill, thor and Herc isn't THAT impressive (not saying its lame or anything but nothing to write home about) imo.

[Elijya]

NOT THAT IMPRESSIVE? playing games with three of the most powerful people in the universe isn't that impressive? you have high standards

[TheCorpulent1]

Enchanted arrows shot from bows by lame, regular Asgardians is nothing compared to Mjolnir hurled by Thor, who's at least twice as strong as any other Asgardian except for Odin. The fact remains that in the comics, in canon, Thor knocked Desak on his ass repeatedly with Mjolnir. Not to mention the fact that Thor was already one of the most powerful gods under the sun WITHOUT the Odinpower. He was almost as impressive as Odin long before Odin died. As King Thor he's much more powerful than Odin.

But all right. Let's say that Desak is an unstoppable powerhouse and that King Thor's wins against him were shams. If that's the case, I want King Thor's status as too uber to be reconsidered. Clearly Desak isn't too uber and Desak could apparently wipe his ass with King Thor while juggling three live baby seals, so what's the deal?

[DBM]

Clearly Desak isn't too uber and Desak could apparently wipe his ass with King Thor while juggling three live baby seals, so what's the deal?

That's a funny image in my head. :D

King Thor: Forsooth, I am not the Charmin

Baby Seals: ARF! ARF! ARF!

[Guyverjay]

NOT THAT IMPRESSIVE? playing games with three of the most powerful people in the universe isn't that impressive? you have high standards


Not really. Thor and Bills magical prowess is reduced to nothing against Desak. So its basically a slugfest. Thor and Hercules can't even beat Hulk in a straight up fist fight and Bill has jobbed more times than I can remember

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it's sad but Thor and all his ilk (i.e. Beta Ray Bill, Dargo, Red Norvell, et al.) are pretty pathetic when they're separated from their hammers. It doesn't really make sense to me, but there it is.

In the fight where Desak owned Thor, Bill, and Herc, he pretty much took Herc down right off the bat and then just went about his jolly way, absorbing all of Bill and Thor's energy blasts and just slugging it out with Thor while Bill spent most of his time on the floor.
That's a funny image in my head. :D

King Thor: Forsooth, I am not the Charmin

Baby Seals: ARF! ARF! ARF!
:D

[Elijya]

Enchanted arrows shot from bows by lame, regular Asgardians is nothing compared to Mjolnir hurled by Thor, who's at least twice as strong as any other Asgardian except for Odin. The fact remains that in the comics, in canon, Thor knocked Desak on his ass repeatedly with Mjolnir. Not to mention the fact that Thor was already one of the most powerful gods under the sun WITHOUT the Odinpower. He was almost as impressive as Odin long before Odin died. As King Thor he's much more powerful than Odin.

But all right. Let's say that Desak is an unstoppable powerhouse and that King Thor's wins against him were shams. If that's the case, I want King Thor's status as too uber to be reconsidered. Clearly Desak isn't too uber and Desak could apparently wipe his ass with King Thor while juggling three live baby seals, so what's the deal?


I'm just looking for the call to be Desak owns all gods, but would be defeated by say, Hulk. seems fair

[TheCorpulent1]

It doesn't make sense to me, though. Thor shouldn't be all that handicapped against him, since a lot of what Thor does is purely physical and Mjolnir very clearly does hurt Desak. I could understand Desak beating Odin since Odin is mostly an energy/magic user, but Thor is a physical powerhouse first and an energy user second. When Thor got the Odinpower, his physical powers went through the roof. When King Thor beat Iron Man in specialized armor powered by Asgardian energy, he did so physically, just tearing him apart with Mjolnir and his bare hands, while Iron Man couldn't put a scratch on Thor. When he dented Cap's shield, it was just Mjolnir backed up by his strength, which had shot through the roof thanks to the Odinpower.

I'd concede that Desak would own all gods EXCEPT Thor and any others who can stand up to him physically. Granted, you'd have to get a god who packs a huge amount of physical power since Desak is nearly as strong and tough as the Hulk, but physical blows do still work against him, god or not.

[The Leaguer]

Can someone provide me with a little bit of info as to who Fox's Composite (MU) is and what he can do?

[X]

He's a composite being of a bunch of Inhumans. Black Bolt, Karnak, Medusa, Triton, and Gorgon. There are good bios for all of them on marveldirectory.com.

Also, he can talk. He has this muzzle of sorts on that neatralizes his voice. But he can take it off.

[TheCorpulent1]

All right, I don't want to be a dick about it or anything, but it's "neutralize" with a "U," X. Again, not trying to be a jerk, but I've seen you misspell it every time you've used it, and it's my duty as an English major to notify you at some point. :(

[The Leaguer]

Hahaha... you said "I don't be a dick about it."

[X]

Gotcha. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Hahaha... you said "I don't be a dick about it."
You see how he lies? It's sad, really. :(

[The Leaguer]

You cheated. :mad:

Quick, X, go back to every post and edit them so that "neutralized" is spelled correctly, and then the joke will be on Corp!

[X]

Bwhahaha. :D

This is sad. :up: :(

[TheCorpulent1]

Your lies will get you nowhere, Leaguer.


Whoa, I just felt like Ignignokt from ATHF. :o

[The Leaguer]

Err is cooler...

[Elijya]

"What happened to meatwad?"
"He got busted, man."
"... for stealing and drinking and smoking in a non smoking area."

"we don't listen to people who don't like us."