Dream Team League (Discussion)

[The Leaguer]

The team's yours, then. Welcome to the DTL. :up:

[JewishHobbit]

Hey Jason C C, (now called Jason as it's easier :)) Welcome to the DTL!

[Union Jack]

cool,new members....
welcome aboard!!!

[Johnny Blaze]

I wish to play and I want Mondo Funkies as my team

I asked to play ageessss ago but I haven't been around in a while and told to wait in the queue
We'd be glad to have you aboard. Do you know/remember the rules and regulations of the DTL?

[Nightwing.]

welcome jason.check out the rules from AS's signature

[XFanTim]

Just to make sure I'm clued in about my week 11 matchup:

Are Cassandra Nova's powers the same as Xavier's? I.e., uber level telepathy and nothing else? Or does she have other psi powers (e.g., telekinesis) as well?

Also, is Blackfire the same as Starfire in terms of powers? I.e., flight, solar energy blasts from her hands and eyes? Does she have better than human strength/durability?

How strong is Moonknight? I know it depends on the phases of the moon . . .

[LadyVader]

Welcome Jason! :)

Week 11 line-up

Wonder Woman DU F
Punisher Robot MU
Cosmic Clown DR
Umbra DR F
She Hulk MR F

I bet Franklin is hankerin' for a rematch! And could somebody PUH LEASE fix my line-up in the Update thread. I don't have Sage anymore. It's Cosmic Clown now!

EDIT: I just realised this is the discussion thread! What was I thinking!?

[Harlekin]

Welcome to the fold Jason, hope you survive the experience.

Tim: Cassandra is also capable of mind-switching, although that may be limited to just Xavier.

LadyV: Nice Spike quote. Becoming rocks.

[JewishHobbit]

Are Cassandra Nova's powers the same as Xavier's? I.e., uber level telepathy and nothing else? Or does she have other psi powers (e.g., telekinesis) as well?


She has both I think and actually appears to be a slightly stronger psi than Xavier as she was able to fight him within his own mind. Then later she was able to take his mind and her and switch them (so that she was in Xavier's body and he was in hers, which had just gotten it's neck broken). And I think she has telekinesis because at one point when Wolverine went at her with his claws she basically riped back/fried his arm to where it was just the adamantium skeleton. That's all I remember off hand as it's been a while since I read those issues. Someone else may have to be more specific.

[JewishHobbit]

Tim: Cassandra is also capable of mind-switching, although that may be limited to just Xavier.


I dont think it would be limited as Jean was able to take Xavier's mind into her own when trying to fix the problem. She then put it into the minds of everyone on the planet though I don't remember why. IT seems to be a powerful telepath feat than rather just Xavier and Cassandra.

[Harlekin]

I dont think it would be limited as Jean was able to take Xavier's mind into her own when trying to fix the problem. She then put it into the minds of everyone on the planet though I don't remember why. IT seems to be a powerful telepath feat than rather just Xavier and Cassandra.
Forgot about that Jean thing, which was confusing on all new levels anyway (that's Morrison of course). It probably is just a really powerful telepath trick.

[Nightwing.]

Just to make sure I'm clued in about my week 11 matchup:

Are Cassandra Nova's powers the same as Xavier's? I.e., uber level telepathy and nothing else? Or does she have other psi powers (e.g., telekinesis) as well?

Also, is Blackfire the same as Starfire in terms of powers? I.e., flight, solar energy blasts from her hands and eyes? Does she have better than human strength/durability?

How strong is Moonknight? I know it depends on the phases of the moon . . .

moonknight is like batman with his detective abilities however he becomes faster and stronger with the fullness of the moon.

blackfire is also the same as starfire however she doesnt have compassion like starfire does.shes more of a ruthless warrior.

and cassandra has these abilities (http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=760)

[TheCorpulent1]

Can anyone tell me if Brainiac still has Milton Fine's psychic powers in his android bodies?

[Tropico]

I'm replying to a question asked on the Week 10 (Set 3) here. Sorry for the delay, my godson came down with a fever and was taken to the hospital on Friday night and I left Saturday morning to give some support to his parents and be with him also, I just came in today.

JH & Primemover: Kitty HAS used her powers to disrupt people's central nervous system to: A)Cause them a great deal of pain or B)leave them temporarily paralyzed. She's used her powers in such a fashion in X-Treme X-Men. She also phased through a woman when Kitty was freaking out and the woman fell. Seconds later the woman was bleedding through the nose, mouth and eyes. When Kitty tried to help her she realized she had killed the woman.

[JewishHobbit]

Wow, I don't remember those at all.

[Tropico]

Quote from X-Treme X-Men #27:
"This is what happens when she cuts loose of that will. She remains at rest while THE WORLD continues to spin on its axis. Instantly, she assumes a ground speed--from east to west--of NINE kilometers every minute. Basically a football field and a half every SECOND (more than 300 mph).

Sage: "It is an established fact that she momentarily DISRUPTS electrical circuits when she phases through them. This applies to BIOLOGICAL systems as well as technological ones."

X-Treme X-Men # 28:

Kitty: "I'm sorry, it wasn't intentional--all I did was PHASE through her. But that's no biggie I do it all the time.
Kitty: "It shouldn't cause her any...[Close-up on the woman. She's starting to bleed from the eyes and nose.]
Kitty:...harm." [The woman slides all the way to the floor, the bleeding is more pronounced.]
Kitty: "Oh no. Please, no...I'm so sorry. Please...no! [In these 3 panels Kitty is cradling the woman who is now bleeding through the mouth also.]
Paul: You---TOUCHED her! And she DIED!
Kitty: "I didn't MEAN to!"

X-Treme X-Men # 44:
Bogan possesed Rachel Summers: "What's the plan Kitty?To use your [b]phasing power to disrupt my central nervous system?

Those are the ones that I found at hand, I recently stored my comics and they're not in order so I don't have all of the X-Treme X-Men run at hand. I know you have access to some X-Treme X-Men comics since you were asking about lifeguard, JH. I don't know up until which ones you have, though. Oh, and the caps and bold sections aren't my idea, I'm quoting exactly as is written in the comic.

[AnnoyingSilence]

since it has came out that Kitty has these new ability moves, i say shes a medium.

her phase out of the earth's gravitational pull is a big one, exspecially if you bring Juggy with you.

[XFanTim]

X-Treme X-Men # 28:
Kitty: "I'm sorry, it wasn't intentional--all I did was PHASE through her. But that's no biggie I do it all the time. [By this time the feline woman is starting to fall to the floor]
Kitty: "It shouldn't cause her any...[Close-up on the woman. She's starting to bleed from the eyes and nose.]
Kitty:...harm." [The woman slides all the way to the floor, the bleeding is more pronounced.]
Kitty: "Oh no. Please, no...I'm so sorry. Please...no! [In these 3 panels Kitty is cradling the woman who is now bleeding through the mouth also.]
Paul: You---TOUCHED her! And she DIED!
Kitty: "I didn't MEAN to!"
In the subsequent issues, you find out the population of that town turned out to all have been killed and reanimated by nanites. The woman died because Kitty disrupted her nanites. Her phasing power disrupts technology -- it doesn't do physical damage to humans. (Usually, it's not shown as having any effect on them. Even when it is portrayed as "disrupting their nervous systems", as Claremont claims, this just means it stuns them.)

To my knowledge, the "phasing out of Earth's rotation" thing has only happend in that one issue of X-Treme X-Men. And just to clarify, this doesn't mean she flies off into space, it means that the Earth rotates underneath her, causing her to zoom along the ground in the direction opposite its rotation. (In other words, she can only use the power to move due West -- she can't travel in any other direction by that method.) Actually, Guardian of Alpha Flight has that exact same power. Its only real uses are: (1) It lets you escape a fight quickly if you need to. (2) Kitty could grab someone and use the power to quickly carry them away from their teammates. (Of course, the moment she lets go, they stop moving, because people only stay phased while they're in contact with her.) If she does that, though, she can't get back either, because she can only use the power to move due west, and it would take her a full 24 hours to circle the world by that method.

Kitty is still a regular -- just a damn good one.

[JewishHobbit]

OKay, thanks for the clarification on that Tropico and Tim. I kinda remember the dieing/dead woman now but I still don't remember the Sage bit. I'll have to go back and look at those (and I have all the X-treme issues). Interesting bit of info though I will say.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think Kitty's still a regular.

On a totally unrelated note, what are people's opinions on Kon-El as Superman in Titans Tomorrow? My thoughts are that he'd probably be a little bit better at everything physical than Clark due to his telekinesis. Heat vision, super-senses, and all the other non-physical stuff would probably be weaker, since he's only half-Kryptonian, but his strength, durability, and speed would probably exceed Clark's because of 1) the fact that he's part-Kryptonian, which would bring a good amount of natural strength, durability, and speed from his body itself, and 2) the tactile telekinesis, which would bolster his natural stuff. They showed him taking a magic-powered punch from Captain Marvel (Freddy, not Billy) without any ill effects thanks to his tactile TK aura thing, and we all know that would've thrown Clark for a loop. There's not much information on him since he only appeared for 3 issues, but I thought I'd just give my take on the character and see what everyone else thinks.

[Jason C C]

Did you pick him up?

There are better Kryptonian type ubers out there

Cris Kend for instance

[Harlekin]

As long as you write him well, I really don't have that big of a problem with him. He sounds relatively uber, but not uber-uber, in the sense that he can hardly be beat. You'd have to be pretty darn creative though, which isn't a bad thing.

[Union Jack]

I wouldn't say he is tougher than supes,but he would probably be nearly on par...the only thing going for him above kal would be he TK,like you said freddy wouldve knock supes down(ala billy batson)...but this supes took it.
so i'd say he is physically weaker than kal...but his TK would heighten his defenses.
one question though...is he still effected by krytonite??

[Harlekin]

They don't just heighten his defenses, they also amp up his offensive capabilities.

[XFanTim]

I would like to call a vote.

In light of what happened this week(look at week 10 set 4) I think an opinion rule needs to be put into play.

If you have something specific to say about someones write-up(be it good or bad), you can only put it in with your votes. This will help get rid of 1.) cluttering the sets 2.) making the game no fun 3.) arguing.

Those persons in the match have the option to respond or ignore. You don't have to give an opinion for every match(obviously), but if you feel that you want to express why something is good or bad, do it in the votes.
If we want to say people should only comment on other people's matches in their votes I'd be fine with that. (I'm talking about specific comments, not the generic "nice job" stuff.) However, I think that if the person you're criticising responds to your criticism, then you should be free to respond as well. (In other words, you shouldn't be forced to let them have the last word.)

[Union Jack]

yeah but surely not up to superman highest level??
maybe they do...i have not read up alot on him.
He is still vunerable to krytonite though and magic yes?
although as i said the TK raises his defenses.

[Harlekin]

Nope, no weakness to magic or kryptonite. At least not on the level of Superman.

Superboy has some natural strength from being half-Kryptonian, but most of his strength is derived from his TK.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think he'd be stronger than Clark by the time he's that old because Superboy initially had no Kryptonian strength or anything, he only had the tactile TK when he was introduced. Now that it's been revealed that he's the clone of Clark and Lex, he's been developing Kryptonian powers alongside his TK. He just got heat vision and super-hearing over last year in Teen Titans, and he's shown as being nearly as strong as Superman himself already. He's got basically the same strength relationship to Wonder Girl as Superman does to Wonder Woman (i.e. he's slightly stronger), and Wonder Girl can support falling buildings and stuff. It's been said that Superboy's powers are only going to get stronger as he gets older, and that's 100% true of his TK, as he's shown using his TK as invisible forcefields and batting the entire team of the Teen Titans around with it, so I thought it'd make sense if his other powers grew over time as well.

Superboy does have a weakness to Kryptonite. The future Batman (Tim) hit him with a Kryptonite ring and knocked him down. His weakness is less than Clark's though, since just being around it didn't seem to weaken him, he actually had to be hit by it. His TK field can protect him from magic.

[Harlekin]

Not to mention X-Ray vision. :D

[Jason C C]

So um are you or have you picked him up?


Side note/

Would anyone consider a guy who can move a planet around with his TK too uber?

[AnnoyingSilence]

If we want to say people should only comment on other people's matches in their votes I'd be fine with that(I'm talking about specific comments, not the generic "nice job" stuff).Sam here, whats the point of "good job", unless thats all you have to say.
However, I think that if the person you're criticising responds to your criticism, then you should be free to respond as well. In other words, you shouldn't be forced to let them have the last word.the last word doesn't mean a thing, as long as you prove your point, its all good. Your full point is in there with the vote. If you think it shouldn't happen then give your reason and/or situation that your basing it on. If you don't limit people, then there no point of the rule.
example:

the voter) i don't think blah blah blah
the write-up) well blah blah blah
end

[TheCorpulent1]

Not to mention X-Ray vision. :D
Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. Good issue. :)
So um are you or have you picked him up?


Side note/

Would anyone consider a guy who can move a planet around with his TK too uber?
I have picked him up.

Yes, planet-movers are generally considered too uber. Some people were shocked and outraged that King Thor put the moon back together with the Odinforce, despite the fact that it nearly killed him.

[Harlekin]

When it comes to down it, I'm all fine with Corp having Kon-El from Titans Tommorow. Dr. Fate could still kick his ass anyway, as can Amazo, so yeah.

[The Leaguer]

In my opinion, Conner Kent Superman brings up a lot of speculation, which I don't like. In this case, I suppose it's relatively minor, since it's so based on Superman, but I still don't really like it.

[Jason C C]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. Good issue. :)

I have picked him up.

Yes, planet-movers are generally considered too uber. Some people were shocked and outraged that King Thor put the moon back together with the Odinforce, despite the fact that it nearly killed him.


Hmmmm but guys like Validus, Hulk, Drax, Gladiator etc could destroy a planet and they are allowed

[TheCorpulent1]

When it comes to down it, I'm all fine with Corp having Kon-El from Titans Tommorow. Dr. Fate could still kick his ass anyway, as can Amazo, so yeah.
I didn't think there was any question about his being too uber or anything like that. I was just wondering what people thought of his power level so that there wouldn't be any surprises or whining when I started writing him as basically a vicious, bastard Superman with TK that can pummel other ubers.
Hmmmm but guys like Validus, Hulk, Drax, Gladiator etc could destroy a planet and they are allowed
Characters who can physically destroy a planet like those people are allowed because they'd have to methodically pound away at it for a long, long time. The Hulk is not gonna destroy a planet in one fell swoop. TK that's able to move planets, however, implies that the dude could just stand on the moon and tilt the planet off its axis until it barreled into the sun. It's not a matter of having the power, it's about the relative ease they'd have of doing it.

[primemover]

Thanks for the proof on those two issues Tropico.

As far as Kitty phasing out of the earths rotation, I botched one thing, I believe in my write-up I say she travels east, when it should be west, like XFanTim said. When I said in my write-up that Kitty and Charles take their position, they are in relation to Cable positioning themselves to be directly east(the wrong part) of Cable, so at least I did account for that. :)

But about what happens to a person she is carrying(phasing) with her, I still believe that person would continue to move on IN RELATION to the earth and to things still travelling WITH the earth.

When she phases out of the earths rotation she in fact STOPS moving, due to when she is with the earths rotation she is travelling at 1000 miles an our, as we all are right now(actually more adding in our planets orbit, solar system orbit, etc). SO, if she phases Juggernaut OUT of the planets rotation, he stops moving as the earth speeds past him, so, when she makes him tangible again, he is still NOT moving so whatever is on the earth and is travelling with the earth comes speeding TOWARDS him.

So the impact would still be the same, but instead of thinking a 1000 mile an hour Juggernaut hitting a still Cable, it's actually a 1000 mile an hour Cable hitting a still Juggernaut. It's probably still mess Cable up, but I don't know how different the result would be. Maybe I need to recruit Blob and to do this trick.

So I guess really I should be phasing the target towards Juggernaut, it's probably work just how I wrote it then :)

Too confusing!

[Jason C C]

I didn't think there was any question about his being too uber or anything like that. I was just wondering what people thought of his power level so that there wouldn't be any surprises or whining when I started writing him as basically a vicious, bastard Superman with TK that can pummel other ubers.

Characters who can physically destroy a planet like those people are allowed because they'd have to methodically pound away at it for a long, long time. The Hulk is not gonna destroy a planet in one fell swoop. TK that's able to move planets, however, implies that the dude could just stand on the moon and tilt the planet off its axis until it barreled into the sun. It's not a matter of having the power, it's about the relative ease they'd have of doing it.

Hmmm dunno Drax ripped a Star to pieces with his bare hands, Validus split a planet in half with his bare hands, we've seen what Glads can do with one blow. Even the surfer can destoy a planet by flying straight through it. Hulk using some jet boots destroyed an asteroid twice the size of the earth. I don't think its so cut and dried.

As for that King thor putting the moon back togther feat, whats the big deal. A green Lantern could do that.

I'll mention it now then, my version of Superboy held an exploding planet together with his TK

[Harlekin]

I didn't think there was any question about his being too uber or anything like that. I was just wondering what people thought of his power level so that there wouldn't be any surprises or whining when I started writing him as basically a vicious, bastard Superman with TK that can pummel other ubers.
Just kind of wanted to beat to it before another debate was about to erupt. Noticing your team is getting a bit of a vicious streak there though, mate. I'm okay with the powerlevel than, however you put it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I'm kind of bored with the good guy stuff. Most of my characters are in a gray area anyway, since Sersi and Walter have killed people and King Thor is sans the humanity that used to temper his power. Now I've just got 2 bona fide villains on the team.

I don't know about that Superboy from DC 1,000,000. I was gonna check the 1,000,000 comics but I can't seem to find the comic where he holds the planet together. I checked Young Justice, Superboy, Robin, Impulse, and the other Superman comics.

[Tropico]

I think Kitty's still a regular.

On a totally unrelated note, what are people's opinions on Kon-El as Superman in Titans Tomorrow? My thoughts are that he'd probably be a little bit better at everything physical than Clark due to his telekinesis.

This isn't the first time that Kon has been made an adult. When Klarion exchanged the ages between the kid heroes and the adults he turned into an adult Superman. He looked EXACTLY like him. Apparently his invulnerability and strength were on a par with Supes. His TK seemed not to be limited to touch anymore like in Titans of Tomorrow. The thing is that we don't have any way of knowing if he's half as powerful as Supes and makes up for it with his increased TK or if he reaches Supes level and can add his TK on top of that.

As for his vulnerabilites...He IS vulnerable to Kryptonite. He was hit with a krytonite ray and felt sick, threw up and passed out. I wouldn't say he he has an increased resistance to magic than Supes because of the TK. He went up against CM3 who's basically a hand to hand fighter, I don't think the story would be the same if it was magical bolts or spells. I remember Kon always had problems using his TK against unsubstantial things like fire and energy, I don't know if it was the same in Young Justice. He didn't seem to be able to put out fires with his TK powers in Alcatraz in TT.

I have no probelms with him Corp.

[Tropico]

In the subsequent issues, you find out the population of that town turned out to all have been killed and reanimated by nanites. The woman died because Kitty disrupted her nanites. Her phasing power disrupts technology -- it doesn't do physical damage to humans. (Usually, it's not shown as having any effect on them. Even when it is portrayed as "disrupting their nervous systems", as Claremont claims, this just means it stuns them.)

To my knowledge, the "phasing out of Earth's rotation" thing has only happend in that one issue of X-Treme X-Men. And just to clarify, this doesn't mean she flies off into space, it means that the Earth rotates underneath her, causing her to zoom along the ground in the direction opposite its rotation. (In other words, she can only use the power to move due West -- she can't travel in any other direction by that method.) Actually, Guardian of Alpha Flight has that exact same power. Its only real uses are: (1) It lets you escape a fight quickly if you need to. (2) Kitty could grab someone and use the power to quickly carry them away from their teammates. (Of course, the moment she lets go, they stop moving, because people only stay phased while they're in contact with her.) If she does that, though, she can't get back either, because she can only use the power to move due west, and it would take her a full 24 hours to circle the world by that method.

Kitty is still a regular -- just a damn good one.

She also did it years back in an Excalibur special where she met up with the X-Babies. She phased and the train she was in (and the rest of the Earth) kept moving.

The adult Kitty from Days of Future Past did the phasing through people to stun them trick. She also phased parts of herself while leaving others solid. I know that's an older version of Kitty, but they are a definite measure of her potential.

[XFanTim]

She also did it years back in an Excalibur special where she met up with the X-Babies. She phased and the train she was in (and the rest of the Earth) kept moving.
OK, cool, I haven't read that one.

[XFanTim]

Hmmm dunno Drax ripped a Star to pieces with his bare hands, Validus split a planet in half with his bare hands, we've seen what Glads can do with one blow. Even the surfer can destoy a planet by flying straight through it. Hulk using some jet boots destroyed an asteroid twice the size of the earth. I don't think its so cut and dried.
Good points. Personally, I don't think moving a planet is any big deal at all. There are tons of characters in this thing who can easily handle someone with planet-moving strength. I mean, if I were facing someone with that level strength, I wouldn't be worried about it at all. It's a hell of a lot harder to deal with, say, magic, matter transmutation, power copiers, etc. (Which is of course why my team is loaded with magic, matter transmutation, power copiers, etc. rather than just brute strength ;)).

Now, if you've got someone who's dragging galaxies around, that's another story, but planets, meh, who cares? As Jason points out, there's already people in this thing with feats of strength that are more impressive than that.

[Tropico]

Regarding the comments in the battle threads: EVERYONE has been allowed to post what they think about the battles after voting has begun. The only ones allowed to post comments before the voting has begun on a write-up are JB (X did it a couple of times also) and the two opposing teams in question. After that, it's been fair game; always has been like this. The big difference is that we've been lazy bastards and are posting on Saturday.:D This means that the one or two days the owners would have for discussion and rebuttals are basically gone.

The discussions (or arguing if you want to see it that way) have always been meant to sway votes one way or another.

[XFanTim]

Sam here, whats the point of "good job", unless thats all you have to say.
the last word doesn't mean a thing, as long as you prove your point, its all good. Your full point is in there with the vote. If you think it shouldn't happen then give your reason and/or situation that your basing it on. If you don't limit people, then there no point of the rule.
example:

the voter) i don't think blah blah blah
the write-up) well blah blah blah
end
I don't agree, the point of the rule would be that the person doing the writeup could choose whether to get into a discussion of that issue or not. But if I post a criticism of your writeup, and you respond by (for instance) calling me an idiot and saying my criticism was bull****, I'm not even allowed to defend my comments? That I don't want. (I'm not saying you'd do that, it's just an example.)

I mean, if all the responses were going to be stuff like "OK, good points, but my reasoning is blah blah" then that would be fine, but we all know it's going to get personal sooner or later, and I don't think when it does that one party should be forced to bite their tongue.

[wiegeabo]

I agree we should have open discussion after the inital two day setup. I just think a little more organization is called for, and would be helpful. I hate having to look through a couple of pages of posts to find a battle (its not hard, just rather annoying). It'd be nice if we all reserved the first few posts in the thread for battles, sort of like claiming your space ahead of time.

A couple of us already do this to make sure that part II of a battle is the post following part I. Doing this in the beginning would just get the battle up front so people didn't have to dig for them. And people wouldn't be accidently influenced by other opinions until after they'd read the battles and started forming opinions themselves.

[Franklin Richards]

So what's been going on? I was really busy during Easter. I had a gig.

Things still riled up? Did X quit? Are there new rules I should know about?

:D


:ff: :ff: :ff:

[XFanTim]

Yeah, X quit. Which is a shame, but on the plus side all our teams have gotten better by feasting on the remains of his.

Elijya and 4StringFox quit too, but Jason C C is taking over Elijya's team.

I thought Guyver quit too, but he's still listed as an owner in the Update thread, so maybe I misunderstood. In any case, that team still has at least one owner (Ahura).

Regarding rules changes: The uber bar is going to be lowered for next season so that people like the Silver Surfer are the top dogs, but for now everyone who was allowed is still allowed, up to and including King Thor and Dr. Manhattan. (Although I'm sure Corpy and I would argue that there were already people allowed that were more powerful than King Thor and Dr. Manhattan -- but whatever, it's been decided that everyone stays for now.) As far as I know, there haven't been any rules changes made that affect this season.

[primemover]

One thing I would recommend to people to only post their write-up when it's ready, and post all the pages one after the other so it's nice and tidy.

I don't really mind the whole 'saving spots for yourself at the beginning of the thread and edit them later when you are done' thing, but sometimes it can be more confusing when posts are edited in previous pages, and you have to be reminded that they were by another post at the end of the thread, and those posts are easy to lose in the mire of debate and discussion posts.

In a perfect world I would like to see the stories written and maybe sent to a third party, who would then post them all nice and tidy in a new thread, then discussion and debating can begin. For this though there would have to be a definate 'story deadline' that is before voting can start.

Man, I would love a two week a match schedule :\

[Ahura Mazda]

Guyverjay has not quit. I got a PM from him saying he was just venting. He is still in this as my partner.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Thanks for the proof on those two issues Tropico.

As far as Kitty phasing out of the earths rotation, I botched one thing, I believe in my write-up I say she travels east, when it should be west, like XFanTim said. When I said in my write-up that Kitty and Charles take their position, they are in relation to Cable positioning themselves to be directly east(the wrong part) of Cable, so at least I did account for that. :)

But about what happens to a person she is carrying(phasing) with her, I still believe that person would continue to move on IN RELATION to the earth and to things still travelling WITH the earth.

When she phases out of the earths rotation she in fact STOPS moving, due to when she is with the earths rotation she is travelling at 1000 miles an our, as we all are right now(actually more adding in our planets orbit, solar system orbit, etc). SO, if she phases Juggernaut OUT of the planets rotation, he stops moving as the earth speeds past him, so, when she makes him tangible again, he is still NOT moving so whatever is on the earth and is travelling with the earth comes speeding TOWARDS him.

So the impact would still be the same, but instead of thinking a 1000 mile an hour Juggernaut hitting a still Cable, it's actually a 1000 mile an hour Cable hitting a still Juggernaut. It's probably still mess Cable up, but I don't know how different the result would be. Maybe I need to recruit Blob and to do this trick.

So I guess really I should be phasing the target towards Juggernaut, it's probably work just how I wrote it then :)

Too confusing!man, I'm massively smart in science and math, but i SUCK in english. I got everthing you just said as i read it out. when i'm done, if i'm not too tired, I'll get on here and correct any thing i see wrong.

Theres a lot of possiblities if "she stops moving", once to stop moving with the earth, then your messin with the whole universe turnin around in a certain direction.... ok bla bla bla, i'm gonna catch up on my reading an debate on that more, if i'm not too tired:D

*Edit*
ok, a couple more minutes...

Theres a lot of possiblities if "she stops moving", once you stop moving with the earth, then your messin with the whole universe turnin around in a certain direction against the rotation of our whole galaxy... unless she can control it good enough to focus on the right combanation of planets to make her move.

she would have to have enough power to reach the sun and stay in its gravitational pull. which by the way sounds very uber to me.

this power is more like teleporting while jumping off of a jet going 1000 mph(using NightCralwers technique).

1. she would be untouchable, like a regular teleporter
2. she'd travel great distances in no time

I dont think she would survive such a dramatic inpact. as soon as she hits something she dead. So there you go, use the whole Kitty+Juggy combo again. a hit like that i'd say(on a great angle) could knock out Hulk, because hulk is only super strong when hes supermad. and i doubt that Hulk gets that mad that fast(mere miliseconds).

i could continue, but good night

[AnnoyingSilence]

As for that King thor putting the moon back togther feat, whats the big deal. A green Lantern could do that.Well when you put it like that, i don't see Any Reason Thor is so scary. I'm poppin up with ideas on how i would take him out right now

I'll mention it now then, my version of Superboy held an exploding planet together with his TKNow that scary.

Too Uber i say Toooooo Uber

[AnnoyingSilence]

I don't agree, the point of the rule would be that the person doing the writeup could choose whether to get into a discussion of that issue or not. But if I post a criticism of your writeup, and you respond by (for instance) calling me an idiot and saying my criticism was bull****, I'm not even allowed to defend my comments? That I don't want. (I'm not saying you'd do that, it's just an example.)Now that totally another subject there, i'd like to see a suspension come out of that(and i know you ain't talkin about me. I'm a good guy:):D:):D:):D

I mean, if all the responses were going to be stuff like "OK, good points, but my reasoning is blah blah" then that would be fine, but we all know it's going to get personal sooner or later, and I don't think when it does that one party should be forced to bite their tongue.<sigh> maybe, maybe...

and when i does(i just thought this up) come down to that. people should be deducted votes. Depending on the out rageous comment made.

lets take it alittle further

Depending on how lude the comment was, is depending on how many votes get taken away. If you go into negative votes for that week, it starts getting took off of your votes for the season

[AnnoyingSilence]

Man...

You know what sucks about working nights...?

If i get on during the day an make a good point and someone is behind me and follows thru. i never get to finish my own debates:(. its kul and all(appreciate people behind me), but i read all thru stuff that i already know is going to happen once something is said. so i come in here reading useless stuff

well, except primemover's comment up there

[JewishHobbit]

Guyverjay has not quit. I got a PM from him saying he was just venting. He is still in this as my partner.

Then he should have posted that on here so we know.

[The Leaguer]

He can't, he's temporarily banned.

[Ahura Mazda]

He can't, he's temporarily banned.


:up: Thanks Leaguer for explaining it.

I apologise guys for not having been around for quite a few days and the coming two weeks will not be easy either as I am in the process of moving flats.

Not that anybody missed me :o ;)

[JewishHobbit]

He can't, he's temporarily banned.

So he is banned then. I wonder what happened?

[AnnoyingSilence]

Not that anybody missed me :o ;):marv: I missed you :marv:

[primemover]

Theres a lot of possiblities if "she stops moving", once you stop moving with the earth, then your messin with the whole universe turnin around in a certain direction against the rotation of our whole galaxy... unless she can control it good enough to focus on the right combanation of planets to make her move.

I would say she does have control enough to choose which gravitational body she chooses to ignore, due to the fact that she is able to only phase out of the earth's specific rotational motion.

she would have to have enough power to reach the sun and stay in its gravitational pull. which by the way sounds very uber to me.

this power is more like teleporting while jumping off of a jet going 1000 mph(using NightCralwers technique).

1. she would be untouchable, like a regular teleporter
2. she'd travel great distances in no time

Logistically she can really only phase out of the earths rotation, anything beyond that is way too uncontrollable. If she were to phase out of our planets rotation around the sun along with its rotation, she would be going very fast, like 66 thousand miles an hour, but it really wouldn't get her anywhere, except floating out in the middle of space. She'd be doomed since she can't just float back, she can really only use this power in one direction. Using that for earth bound teleporting again is logistically infeasable(sp) since again, she can only go in one direction, and most likely would just phase into the earth

[Jason C C]

Now that scary.

Too Uber i say Toooooo Uber


Why is that then?

I wouldn't say he was any more uber than the version of rogue I've got. She's got the combined strength of Thor and the Hulk, the speed and agilty of spider-man, the fighting skills of Captain america along with the psychic powers of Jean grey and the hex abilties of the Scarlet witch:up:

[Tropico]

I would say she does have control enough to choose which gravitational body she chooses to ignore, due to the fact that she is able to only phase out of the earth's specific rotational motion.



Logistically she can really only phase out of the earths rotation, anything beyond that is way too uncontrollable. If she were to phase out of our planets rotation around the sun along with its rotation, she would be going very fast, like 66 thousand miles an hour, but it really wouldn't get her anywhere, except floating out in the middle of space. She'd be doomed since she can't just float back, she can really only use this power in one direction. Using that for earth bound teleporting again is logistically infeasable(sp) since again, she can only go in one direction, and most likely would just phase into the earth

Prime is correct in the sense of how limited she is in regards to the direction she's moving, she would also have no control in regards to speed. AS is correct in regards to the translation of the Earth (its movement around the Sun). She can only travel so far in regards to the Earth before the Earth "gets away" from her because of its orbit around the Sun.

[Tropico]

Why is that then?

I wouldn't say he was any more uber than the version of rogue I've got. She's got the combined strength of Thor and the Hulk, the speed and agilty of spider-man, the fighting skills of Captain america along with the psychic powers of Jean grey and the hex abilties of the Scarlet witch:up:

Since I hadn't seen JB approve either of these characters and their power ratings I thought they weren't accepted yet?:confused:

[Johnny Blaze]

Since I hadn't seen JB approve either of these characters and their power ratings I thought they weren't accepted yet?:confused:
I take it you haven't checked out the Update thread in a while. :o :(

[Tropico]

I take it you haven't checked out the Update thread in a while. :o :(

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Tropico/1abc91.jpg

[AnnoyingSilence]

I would say she does have control enough to choose which gravitational body she chooses to ignore, due to the fact that she is able to only phase out of the earth's specific rotational motion.



Logistically she can really only phase out of the earths rotation, anything beyond that is way too uncontrollable. If she were to phase out of our planets rotation around the sun along with its rotation, she would be going very fast, like 66 thousand miles an hour, but it really wouldn't get her anywhere, except floating out in the middle of space. She'd be doomed since she can't just float back, she can really only use this power in one direction. Using that for earth bound teleporting again is logistically infeasable(sp) since again, she can only go in one direction, and most likely would just phase into the eartheither way she'd be going too fast to survive the trip. so whenever you use it, i expect Death

[AnnoyingSilence]

Why is that then?

I wouldn't say he was any more uber than the version of rogue I've got. She's got the combined strength of Thor and the Hulk, the speed and agilty of spider-man, the fighting skills of Captain america along with the psychic powers of Jean grey and the hex abilties of the Scarlet witch:up:too uber i say, tooooo uber

[AnnoyingSilence]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Tropico/1abc91.jpglmbo

but seriously JB, are you actually letting him have those characters?

[AnnoyingSilence]

Tropico, I have to research the crap out of your team, so I'm going to have a lot of questions

1. Temugin, how powerful is each of his rings? are some weaker than others? compair the powers of the rings to actual characters.

[primemover]

either way she'd be going too fast to survive the trip. so whenever you use it, i expect Death

I don't understand what you mean.

[AnnoyingSilence]

when she uses that power she will instantly increase to the +60 thousand mph. I seriously doubt that when she phases back in that she isn't going to bring the inirtia with her.

when she come back to regular phase then she will be colliding with whatever is in the way at +60thousand mph.

[primemover]

Firstly, as I said in my post, phasing from planetary orbit motion isn't logistically useful, as she would just fly into space, or through the earth, etc.

Secondly, when she phases back into earths motion she can still be intangible, as she in a sense phases on different levels. Then she would just have to slow down somehow, probably by slowly phasing back into normal earth motion she can speed back up to match the earths rotation.

[AnnoyingSilence]

sorry, i was stuck in the high level phasing...:rolleyes:

ok yea, she could phase back into the Earth's gravitational pull and stay phased until she finally slows down enough to phase in and settle on land(which would be a while because while phased I'm guessing she won't have wind resistance). Flying at thousands of MPH should would be able to breath until she got down to at least 100 or so. So she either dies from not breathing, phasing back in an being wind burnt to death, or colliding with something. There are VERY limited amount of ways that you can survive this.

[Tropico]

Tropico, I have to research the crap out of your team, so I'm going to have a lot of questions

1. Temugin, how powerful is each of his rings? are some weaker than others? compair the powers of the rings to actual characters.

Some are weaker than the others because of the nature of what the rings do.

The Ice Blast, Electro Blast, Flame Blast & Impact Beam rings are the most commonly used and could reach Uber levels of strength. Temugin not only uses them to fire blasts of whatever energy that particular energy uses, but to "cover" his hands when he hits with them. The rings fire these specific kinds of energies, I've never seen him control fire or ice for example like Iceman or the Human Torch would.

The White Light and Black Light rings are the "weakest" of the bunch since their applications are extremely limited, mostly to blind the opponent. The White Light Ring runs the whole gamut of the EM spectrum so x-rays, infra-red and ultra-violet light can be used.

I've yet to see him use the Mento Intesifier Ring. The bio for the Mandaring contradicts itself in that it can control more than one person and then it says it can control only one and at the range of 10'. I've only used it on one person and within the 10'. Since it multiplies the wearer's psi-energy it makes sense that he could control average people, but not Uber level psi's (at least it doesn't make sense to me that he could.).

The Matter Rearranger Ring and Vortex Beam I make them to be Medium intensity rings. The Matter Rearranger isn't the same as Firestorm's or Shimmer's powers, it's more like he can control the shape of matter. The Vortex beam allows him to fly and make small tornadoes.

I would consider the Disintegration Beam the most dangerous. It's true that it can only be fired once every twenty minutes, but one shot is all you need to turn someone or something into nothing, complete disitegration.

He can also use his chi to manipulate the rings energy and heal himself.

These should shed some light:
Temugin vs. Iron Man 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Tropico/TvsIM1.jpg)
Temugin vs. Iron Man 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Tropico/TvsIM2.jpg)
Temugin vs. Iron Man 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Tropico/TvsIM3.jpg)
Temugin vs. Iron Man 4 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Tropico/TvsIM4.jpg)
Temugin vs. Iron Man 5 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Tropico/TvsIM5.jpg)
Temugin vs. Iron Man 6 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Tropico/TvsIM6.jpg)

[Tropico]

sorry, i was stuck in the high level phasing...:rolleyes:

ok yea, she could phase back into the Earth's gravitational pull and stay phased until she finally slows down enough to phase in and settle on land(which would be a while because while phased I'm guessing she won't have wind resistance). Flying at thousands of MPH should would be able to breath until she got down to at least 100 or so. So she either dies from not breathing, phasing back in an being wind burnt to death, or colliding with something. There are VERY limited amount of ways that you can survive this.

AS give it a rest! These are comics!! She's survived each time she's done this. The first time she turned solid instantly and fell in a bog, she fell straight down. The second time she was carrying someone else and they turned solid inside a building with no adverse effects either.

[Johnny Blaze]

lmbo

but seriously JB, are you actually letting him have those characters?
Yes

[AnnoyingSilence]

AS give it a rest! These are comics!! She's survived each time she's done this. The first time she turned solid instantly and fell in a bog, she fell straight down. The second time she was carrying someone else and they turned solid inside a building with no adverse effects either.settle down Trop, i have no knowledge of her doing this at all, so its all experimental and i'm trying to think it thru(incase i ever go against her, which i have already contemplated and thought of a funny way of killing using that ability:D).

ok ok, ty.

[AnnoyingSilence]

I've yet to see him use the Mento Intesifier Ring. The bio for the Mandaring contradicts itself in that it can control more than one person and then it says it can control only one and at the range of 10'. I've only used it on one person and within the 10'. Since it multiplies the wearer's psi-energy it makes sense that he could control average people, but not Uber level psi's (at least it doesn't make sense to me that he could.)

it sounds pretty much like pretty much any telepath or strong willed person could fight against it.

and thanks a lot for the info, helps tons

how about Scourge? i get the feeling hes a wolvy/evil/old cable
GA Android, does he stack his powers, or did he just take the most powerful of each?

[AnnoyingSilence]

Yes:eek:O:eek:M:eek:Gosh:eek:

:DOk:D

[Tropico]

it sounds pretty much like pretty much any telepath or strong willed person could fight against it.
Your assumption is as good as mine since I'm going by the description of the ring.
and thanks a lot for the info, helps tons
You're welcome.
how about Scourge? i get the feeling hes a wolvy/evil/old cable
In the aspect that he kills? Yeah, definitely. He's not an impulsive fighter, though. He uses strategy to take out his opponents, he went as far as hide inside Techno's ear and be there for a while until he found out how to take him out. The fact that he uses weapons that other people would consider ridiculous (Stilt Man's stilts for example) effectively tells you how good a strategist he is.
GA Android, does he stack his powers, or did he just take the most powerful of each?
He does stack his powers and uses different powers that would help each other like Metamorpho's alchemical knowledge and Firestorm's matter rearrangeing powers. He even used his archery skills. :D

[XFanTim]

Remember, Kitty still needs air even when she's phased. She has to hold her breath every time she phases through something solid. If she phased out of Earth's atmosphere, she'd be screwed. Especially cause she couldn't turn around and come back to Earth. Remember, it's not like she can fly, she just holds herself still and lets things move away from her.

Plus, there's no evidence that she can phase out of Earth's revolutions around the sun, only that she can phase out of its rotation around its axis. But even if we assume she could phase herself into space, she'd die without air.

[AnnoyingSilence]

In the aspect that he kills? Yeah, definitely. He's not an impulsive fighter, though. He uses strategy to take out his opponents, he went as far as hide inside Techno's ear and be there for a while until he found out how to take him out. The fact that he uses weapons that other people would consider ridiculous (Stilt Man's stilts for example) effectively tells you how good a strategist he is.
Eactly what i'm talkin about
evil = killer
wolvy = awsome fighter(can't be beat(i rather say SabreTooth tho))
old cable = strategist(even tho your guy can hide in an ear)

[AnnoyingSilence]

Plus, there's no evidence that she can phase out of Earth's revolutions around the sun, only that she can phase out of its rotation around its axis. But even if we assume she could phase herself into space, she'd die without air.see could hold her breath. or be taken apart by the vacuum of space

[XFanTim]

She could hold her breath for a minute or two, but like I said there's no way for her to turn around and get back to Earth. She could only do that if the Earth turned around in its motion and came back to where it had left her.

And I'm not sure I'm correctly understanding what you meant by your second point, but if you're pointing out that there's no evidence Kitty could survive the zero pressure environment then I have to agree. :up:

[Nightwing.]

tim can you send me links for your team?

[Tropico]

This better clear it up...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Tropico/Phasing.jpg

Otherwise its just...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Tropico/flogging.jpg

[primemover]

Plus, there's no evidence that she can phase out of Earth's revolutions around the sun, only that she can phase out of its rotation around its axis. But even if we assume she could phase herself into space, she'd die without air.

No evidence, but if she is able to control her phased state between just going intangible to things on and travelling with the earth, to doing the phase out of earths motion thing, she probably has enough control to take it that next step.

But like you said she would not be able to breathe in space, so unless somebody flies out and retreives her within a few minutes, she becomes debri.

[Harlekin]

You guys did notice how (as far as I remember) Kitty never pulled that trick while conscious?

[Tropico]

No evidence, but if she is able to control her phased state between just going intangible to things on and travelling with the earth, to doing the phase out of earths motion thing, she probably has enough control to take it that next step.

But like you said she would not be able to breathe in space, so unless somebody flies out and retreives her within a few minutes, she becomes debri.

Um, if you check the comic page I scanned again it tells you on the last panel that they would indeed be left behind because the Earth keeps moving due to its rotation around the Sun.

You guys did notice how (as far as I remember) Kitty never pulled that trick while conscious?

She did it while conscious in the Excalibur special. Whatever! You guys decide, I've done what I can.

[wiegeabo]

Whether or not comic book physics matches up with real physics, if it can happen in the world of comics, it should be allowed in the DTL (baring violation of other DTL rules, of course).

So, while there's a huge number of questionable factors involved with Kitty using the Earth's rotation (like inertia and tangential forces), since she's done it in the comics, I don't have a problem with it.

[primemover]

Um, if you check the comic page I scanned again it tells you on the last panel that they would indeed be left behind because the Earth keeps moving due to its rotation around the Sun.

Didn't I say that?

[AnnoyingSilence]

Ok, I say "Since we are(Common Knowledge, Pg. 504) going to lowwer the Uber Level, we need to work on rules and limitations for next season(So we can get the rules set). The DTL has lost its luster, We can still do are matches an what not, But the discussion thread needs to be gleamming with ideas on how to handle next season. The Sooner we find out how next season is going to Be, The Better it Will turn out to be."

Just incase people don't want to read about the rules all the time in here:
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5414082#post5414082
Theres a Link to the thread for Opinions on the Previous.

[Johnny Blaze]

ATTENTION!
I didn't want to have to do this, but...the next person to create another unecessary DTL thread will be suspended for the rest of the season. You all know that the DTL gets a lot of flack for taking up space, so you don't need to create a new thread to discuss a minor topic that can easily be discussed in this thread. If you want to create a new DTL thread, stop and think first. Ask yourself, "Does this topic really need it's own thread?" And if you can't decide, PM me and ask.
Because, as I said, next owner who does it will be suspended for the rest of the season.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm proud to say that I've never created a single DTL thread. :)

[Harlekin]

I'm proud to say that I've never created a single DTL thread. :)
I join you in that pride.

[Guyverjay]

I think everyone does apart from AS and Nightwing:p

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm confused about the Dr. Strange/Man-Thing I'm up against this week. Is he basically just like Dr. Strange in the Man-Thing's body, or do Man-Thing's natural traits have any effect on Strange? Does Strange get uncomfortable while he's around strong emotions and stuff, for example? Really, what's the deal?

[XFanTim]

His personality, intelligence, etc. is completely like Strange. He even wears regular robes (and sometimes a mask), it's just that underneath he's got the body of the Man-Thing. Basically, you can treat him like Strange, except for harder to damage physically (bullets fly through him, can repair himself by absorbing swamp matter, etc. Not that the battle will be in a swamp, but if necessary Strange probably has a spell that could transform part of the landscape)

[XFanTim]

ATTENTION!
I didn't want to have to do this, but...the next person to create another unecessary DTL thread will be suspended for the rest of the season. You all know that the DTL gets a lot of flack for taking up space, so you don't need to create a new thread to discuss a minor topic that can easily be discussed in this thread. If you want to create a new DTL thread, stop and think first. Ask yourself, "Does this topic really need it's own thread?" And if you can't decide, PM me and ask.
Because, as I said, next owner who does it will be suspended for the rest of the season.
:up:

The issue of pissing people off aside, it really makes sense that only JB should have the authority to make a DTL thread, since he's the DTL commish. If someone else thinks we need a new thread, they should just PM JB and request that he create it.

[TheCorpulent1]

His personality, intelligence, etc. is completely like Strange. He even wears regular robes (and sometimes a mask), it's just that underneath he's got the body of the Man-Thing. Basically, you can treat him like Strange, except for harder to damage physically (bullets fly through him, can repair himself by absorbing swamp matter, etc. Not that the battle will be in a swamp, but if necessary Strange probably has a spell that could transform part of the landscape)
Mkay, thanks. If you've got questions about any of my people, feel free to ask. I've noticed the C-Man appears to be monopolizing both of our attentions.

[XFanTim]

OK, can you tell me a bit more about Proctor's Ebony Blade? It's unbreakable and can cut through anything (even adamantium?), is that right? Also, you said something in one of your writeups about it canceling out magic, or something like that?

[TheCorpulent1]

The Ebony Blade can do lots of stuff. It can cut through pretty much anything, including abstract things like magical barriers and the like. Marvel Directory and the Marvel Appendix both say it probably stops short of adamantium, but I can't recall an instance where the Ebony Blade came up against adamantium in canon, so there's really no precedent for it. It can cut through magical stuff though, like Juggernaut's armor, which is supposed to be harder than adamantium. If angled a certain way, it can absorb any kind of energy. It negates magic. It bonds to its user in such a way that the user can teleport himself to the Blade or teleport the Blade to himself. When it's in the user's hand, the user is rendered immortal to everything except another weapon forged of the same material (not invulnerable; he can still be hurt, he just can't be killed). There's a bloodcurse on it, so anytime it draws blood it compels its user to draw more, eventually putting them in a crazy bloodlust. That's not a problem for Proctor though, since he has fully given himself over to the gann josin and the bloodcurse, and he's evil enough to want to kill everyone to begin with.

[The Leaguer]

Sounds kind of like Zauriel's sword. His sword can cut through anything, including dimensional barriers (if he has magical support). The only limit is his will.

[Johnny Blaze]

Damn, I might have to get my hands on the Ebony Blade. :up:

:up:

The issue of pissing people off aside, it really makes sense that only JB should have the authority to make a DTL thread, since he's the DTL commish. If someone else thinks we need a new thread, they should just PM JB and request that he create it.
Well, I wouldn't say all that, but the fact is that pretty much every thread that was made would perfectly fit into the Discussion or Transaction threads. Plus most of the ones that were created are about minor stuff that doesn't really warrant the creation of a whole new thread.

[TheCorpulent1]

It can't cut through dimensions as far as I know. Lady Sif has a sword that can do that though.

JB: There's always every other Black Knight throughout history besides Dane. :)

Oh yeah, I forgot: The Ebony Blade can harvest souls too.

[Union Jack]

would i be able to use the full advantages of excalibur if this ebony blade is so powerful.
excalibur will be a more powerful weapon i'd have thought,it can alter reality so its fairly powerful.

[TheCorpulent1]

The Ebony Blade can hardly alter reality. When you get right down to it, it can cut and/or absorb almost anything. That's about it.

If you're gonna use Captain Britain with Excalibur at its full power, he'd be at least an uber and probably too uber.

[Union Jack]

oh,no i wasnt saying ebony blade could alter reality,i know excalibur can.
(i have not been doing well so far this week with being misinterpreted! :()

I'll have to do a (and i'm not having a dig here)king thor/dr.manhatten thing here with caps sword and just play down the sword a bit i guess.

[TheCorpulent1]

If you could list all the abilities it has, it'd probably help. Tim and I both did that for our characters to eliminate confusion about them. There's very little information about what Marvel's version of Excalibur can do on the web.

[Union Jack]

yeah,thats true...the power to alter reality and cut through anything fire mystic bolts...etc etc....

i might try a hunt for info on it soon,not now though cos its bedtime :D

[XFanTim]

Harvest souls? How does that work? You hit someone with it and they lose their soul, or what?

Unrelated question: How ruthless is Sersi? Does she have any qualms about killing?

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm actually looking for information on the soul thing right now. I haven't actually used it to do that in the DTL and probably won't, since it doesn't really serve much purpose.

Sersi wouldn't normally kill but Proctor exerted his mental powers on her and slowly clouded her mind into doing some crazy stuff in the 616 universe. She vaporized a dude in cold blood and decimated Avengers Mansion and the Brooklyn Bridge. I have the Mutant X version, who's basically the same as Sersi pre-Proctor f***wittage as far as I know. She's still willing to kill if necessary, but is much more hesitant about it. She was one of the group of Avengers who decided to destroy the Supreme Intelligence during the Kree/Skrull War.

[AnnoyingSilence]

ATTENTION!
I didn't want to have to do this, but...the next person to create another unecessary DTL thread will be suspended for the rest of the season. You all know that the DTL gets a lot of flack for taking up space, so you don't need to create a new thread to discuss a minor topic that can easily be discussed in this thread. If you want to create a new DTL thread, stop and think first. Ask yourself, "Does this topic really need it's own thread?" And if you can't decide, PM me and ask.
Because, as I said, next owner who does it will be suspended for the rest of the season.A minor topic? Yea right! To me its pretty important, mostly because if the Dtl keeps going down the track its on now, I won't be in it next season(And I'd rather stay). This is what I do after work, Call Of Duty got relly boring after I started whoopin everyones butts.

[TheCorpulent1]

Harvest souls? How does that work? You hit someone with it and they lose their soul, or what?
Ok, according to the Marvel Appendix, the Ebony Blade can harvest souls if it kills someone. Apparently it takes some time to do, since there's a mention of a dude dying too quickly from an explosion for the Blade to steal his soul:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/plugugli.htm

[AnnoyingSilence]

:up:

The issue of pissing people off aside, it really makes sense that only JB should have the authority to make a DTL thread, since he's the DTL commish. If someone else thinks we need a new thread, they should just PM JB and request that he create it.Ok, and then how about we run every post by JB before we actually post them, matter-a-fact, lets ask JB what our opinions are...

[AnnoyingSilence]

PrimeMover, You can pick my Ubers, If you make your Sentinel and Juggernaut(Either one)

[XFanTim]

Ok, and then how about we run every post by JB before we actually post them, matter-a-fact, lets ask JB what our opinions are...
There's a difference between asking JB's permission to post, and asking his permission to start a thread with DTL in the name. JB founded the DTL, so for better or for worse he's somewhat affiliated with every DTL thread. I mean if the forum is overrun with fifty DTL threads, and people start getting pissed, then JB's going to be taking some of the blame, even if he wasn't the one starting them.

For the benefit of the British DTLers: I mean people getting mad, not people getting drunk. :D

[AnnoyingSilence]

show me a time when there was an overwhelmig amount of DTL threads up...

[XFanTim]

Minor question: Does Walter West actually go by "Dark Flash", or does he just call himself "Flash"? I mean, is "Dark Flash" just a name used to differentiate him from Wally, or is it his actual codename?

Doesn't really matter for anything, but it's nice to keep my writeup as accurate to the comics as I can manage.

[TheCorpulent1]

Nobody ever called him the Dark Flash. It was just a name to differentiate him from Wally, and he wore a darker costume than Wally out of respect for Wally, who he thought was dead.

[XFanTim]

show me a time when there was an overwhelmig amount of DTL threads up...
Well, maybe that one time when you bumped a million old threads . . . . ;)

[AnnoyingSilence]

Well, maybe that one time when you bumped a million old threads . . . . ;)that disppeared just about immediately... Dtl threads that stayed around

[Harlekin]

At the time of the weekly matches, it was getting filled with Too Uber topics and other than Marvel/DC topics etc. etc.

[XFanTim]

that disppeared just about immediately... Dtl threads that stayed around
Only because I personally bumped 25 threads just to knock the old threads off the first page. :D

[Johnny Blaze]

A minor topic? Yea right! To me its pretty important, mostly because if the Dtl keeps going down the track its on now, I won't be in it next season(And I'd rather stay). This is what I do after work, Call Of Duty got relly boring after I started whoopin everyones butts.
The thread you made about the season 3 discussion is a topic that wasn't major enough to need it's own thread. You could have easily brought it up in this thread to discuss instead of creating a new thread for it.

[XFanTim]

Completely random question: when I see a profile that rates people's strength, speed, durability, stamina, agility, reflexes etc. using words like "superhuman", "incalculable", "godlike", etc., what do those actually mean? I mean, is there any site where I can see a list of several common characters who have "superhuman" strength, several who have "godlike" strength, etc. so that I can get some perspective on these rankings?

[AnnoyingSilence]

superhuman is still under class 5 str(lift 5 tons).

godlike and incalcuable is pretty obvious

[XFanTim]

godlike and incalcuable is pretty obvious
Not really . . . I mean, what's the dividing line between the two?

[DBM]

I won't be in it next season

If that happens, I'm back in.

:D

[TheCorpulent1]

Completely random question: when I see a profile that rates people's strength, speed, durability, stamina, agility, reflexes etc. using words like "superhuman", "incalculable", "godlike", etc., what do those actually mean? I mean, is there any site where I can see a list of several common characters who have "superhuman" strength, several who have "godlike" strength, etc. so that I can get some perspective on these rankings?
If the ratings are based on an RPG conversion, like the ones at www.classicmarvel.com, then this should be of help:
http://www.classicmarvel.com/special/universal.jpg

If they're not based on an RPG conversion, then I guess you're stuck figuring out whether the writer has the same idea about the relative intensity of those adjectives as you do.

[AnnoyingSilence]

If that happens, I'm back in.

:Dthat hurts...

[AnnoyingSilence]

Not really . . . I mean, what's the dividing line between the two?can you hand me a site that has both rankings listed, one above the other(or even on the same site)?

if so then i would say that incalcuable is definitely the winner(tho i've never heard of any godlike powers having limits to them)

[AnnoyingSilence]

The thread you made about the season 3 discussion is a topic that wasn't major enough to need it's own thread. You could have easily brought it up in this thread to discuss instead of creating a new thread for it.I would venture to say that that thread is just as important as season 3's new rules. more pain now means less pain later.

[XFanTim]

Are Brainwave's powers just telepathy/telekinesis? Also, how powerful is he -- Jean Grey level, or what? And I take it when Corp says he has Brainwave from Black Reign (which should perhaps be stated in the update thread) that that means he's evil?

[Guyverjay]

Since he's not uber then I'd say no:p

[XFanTim]

That was going to be my objection if the answer was yes. :D

But the one profile I read of him said "one of the worlds most powerful telepaths", so I figured I should make sure...

[DBM]

that hurts...

I kid, I kid. :D

Maybe :mad:

[Guyverjay]

That was going to be my objection if the answer was yes. :D

But the one profile I read of him said "one of the worlds most powerful telepaths", so I figured I should make sure...


To be honest I'd consider him uber but hey thats just me.

I mean he did beat up Sentinel, Kyle and Jade in one issue:D

[Tropico]

I would venture to say that that thread is just as important as season 3's new rules. more pain now means less pain later.

Working out kinks on the new season/rules have always been done in the discussion and/or Trade threads; I would venture to say that's why the new thread isn't warranted. The season isn't over, there are quite a few weeks left (including the playoffs), coming to any decisions about the rules now might just confuse things before time. It might be important to you to do it NOW since you won't be staying if some things don't change, but not everyone has that priority.

[Tropico]

To be honest I'd consider him uber but hey thats just me.

I mean he did beat up Sentinel, Kyle and Jade in one issue:D

I have made this argument before, but people always see him as a Med. He also held a number of JSA'ers immobile.

[TheCorpulent1]

A number of JSA'ers with no defense against telepathy. I didn't see him doing anything uber level in Black Reign. He wasn't affecting minds on a global level like J'onn or anything. He went into Sand's mind later and got treated like a total b****.

[Guyverjay]

Alot of people have no defence against telepathy:confused:

Put it this way not only can he control multiple people at once but he can BECOME that person ubers included

[Tropico]

If I'm not mistaken, the reason Brainwave went insane is because his father gave him his powers when he died. Brainwave's powers got amped to the point where he was hearing people's thoughts on a planetary scale and couldn't filter them out. He also controlled a large part of the city and then proceeded to own Kyle, Alan and Jade. In the end he describes what he did a test run of his powers.

[TheCorpulent1]

Hmm, I didn't know about that incident. I've been going completely on what I saw in JSA. He was insane in "Black Reign" because Mr. Mind was f***ing with his brain.

As for taking control of people, Jesse Custer can do the same thing and he's still a middleweight. Max Mercury and Kid Flash are capable of almost everything Wally is and they're DMs. Hell, Max is easily as fast as Wally too, since he's reached the Speed Force wall totally unaided many times before.

[Johnny Blaze]

Huh, well...in that case I guess Kid Flash, Max, and Brainwave will be bumped up to Uber.

[TheCorpulent1]

Effective immediately? Because that f***s my starters up and it's past the time I'm allowed to change my line-up.

[Johnny Blaze]

It will come into affect after this week's battle (just like what happened with Richards and Saturn Girl).

[TheCorpulent1]

Mkay.

[Tropico]

Weird. I was just glad that someone (Guyverjay) saw the potential in Brainwave as I did, it never crossed my mind that he would be bumped up. It's all about people's perceptions, if the DTL is still going to see him as a Med then he shouldn't be bumped up, otherwise Corp is going to get shortchanged as people downplay the character. The same could be said for Quicksilver and Impulse.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know, I still don't see him as anything more than a middleweight. If he's going to be an uber, he's going to be, in my opinion, a very poor uber. I don't believe I have used him as anything more than a middleweight in any of my write-ups, either.

[AnnoyingSilence]

I kid, I kid. :D

Maybe :mad:Sarcasm I say

:(

[AnnoyingSilence]

The same could be said for Quicksilver and Impulse.I don't know about Impulse, but QuickSilver is definitely a Reg. Hes really fast and some what strong, thats about all. And its not like hes INSANELY fast(Any Speed Force Character), he can run 200mph and sprint at 300mph. Lets compare that to the speed of light...Yea, thier pretty close:rolleyes:

[AnnoyingSilence]

I don't know, I still don't see him as anything more than a middleweight. If he's going to be an uber, he's going to be, in my opinion, a very poor uber. I don't believe I have used him as anything more than a middleweight in any of my write-ups, either.maybe you can make him character specific(Example: Brainwave(BeforeBlack Regin)). Since he was amped up, and you don't want him amped up, think something through

[XFanTim]

As for taking control of people, Jesse Custer can do the same thing and he's still a middleweight.
I realize Blaze already ruled (and I agree with him), but I just want to point out there's a big difference between what Brainwave does and what Jesse Custer does. Jesse can only effect people who (a) are able to hear him, and (b) understand English. So that's a lot easier to block than telepathy -- heck, you can stop him with a walkman if you crank it up real loud. Plus, Custer has to give giving people verbal commands everytime he wants them to do something -- meaning as soon as the person goes out of earshot he loses the ability to give them any new instructions.

Plus, Brainwave has a lot of other abilities. Jesse can't read minds, and he's not a telekinetic.

I don't know, I still don't see him as anything more than a middleweight. If he's going to be an uber, he's going to be, in my opinion, a very poor uber. I don't believe I have used him as anything more than a middleweight in any of my write-ups, either.
Well, I hope you'll keep up that trend this week (since otherwise you'd have three ubers), but next week you can really unleash him (assuming you hang on to him after he's an uber).

[XFanTim]

I don't know about Impulse, but QuickSilver is definitely a Reg. Hes really fast and some what strong, thats about all. And its not like hes INSANELY fast(Any Speed Force Character), he can run 200mph and sprint at 300mph. Lets compare that to the speed of light...Yea, thier pretty close:rolleyes:
AS is right -- I don't know about the Isotope-E version, but regular Quicksilver isn't remotely on the level of any Flash.

[XFanTim]

Hell, Max is easily as fast as Wally too, since he's reached the Speed Force wall totally unaided many times before.
Unless he's gotten faster since "The Return of Barry Allen", I find it hard to believe that Max Mercury is as fast as Wally. Because Professor Zoom was portrayed as faster in that story (Max was only a match for him when they were up amongst the steel girders of a construction site, because he's more agile.) And Prof. Zoom is supposed to be about the same speed as Barry, which is slower than Wally's current level.

[DBM]

I don't know about Impulse, but QuickSilver is definitely a Reg. Hes really fast and some what strong, thats about all. And its not like hes INSANELY fast(Any Speed Force Character), he can run 200mph and sprint at 300mph. Lets compare that to the speed of light...Yea, thier pretty close:rolleyes:

Quicksilver can run well over 300 mph. He can quite easily exceed the speed of sound. And to quote Marvel's website, "Since his abilities were fully awakened by the High Evolutionary's Isotope E, he no longer knows the upper limits of his speed."

He's not Flash fast, but he's probably 1000+mph fast.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Need some help here.

The Brain(JLA: Year One Composite version)
Tommorrow Woman
Amazing Man II

[Tropico]

I don't know, I still don't see him as anything more than a middleweight. If he's going to be an uber, he's going to be, in my opinion, a very poor uber. I don't believe I have used him as anything more than a middleweight in any of my write-ups, either.

That's what I meant. I know JB knows him form that story arc and probably other people too, so he's going to be like that in everybody's mind. People have argued that just because the GL's have high willpower doesn't really give them psi-defenses (I don't know if they have ever seen his fights with Hector Hammond, but that was ages ago with Hal), so even people who saw Brainwave in the GL issue don't see him as an Uber. So, really, if he's going to be seen as a Med (and I know you're not going to abuse him anyway), he might as well stay a Med.

[TheCorpulent1]

Unless he's gotten faster since "The Return of Barry Allen", I find it hard to believe that Max Mercury is as fast as Wally. Because Professor Zoom was portrayed as faster in that story (Max was only a match for him when they were up amongst the steel girders of a construction site, because he's more agile.) And Prof. Zoom is supposed to be about the same speed as Barry, which is slower than Wally's current level.
Barry's level is, for all intents and purposes, Wally's current level. Barry could go at light speed, Wally can exceed it, but if he does, he becomes part of the Speed Force. So for any practical purposes, Wally's top speed is light speed.

Max, like Wally, can reach the Speed Force and potentially join with it; it's only his fear that keeps him from pushing himself into that last burst of speed to really join the SF and bounce off it. The reason Max doesn't go as fast as Wally all the time is because, like Jay, he's an old man. His endurance is shot because his body just can't take the rigors of light speed for more than a little while. He's definitely able to reach it though.

In The Return of Barry Allen, Professor Zoom was much younger than Max and, I suspect, had better acceleration than any of the other speedsters. That would explain why Max was cake to Zoom on the ground but could beat him on the girders: Zoom had space to accelerate and move around freely on the ground, whereas on the girders they were both limited to short bursts of speed and Max's natural acrobatic ability enabled him to take Zoom out.

[XFanTim]

Quicksilver can run well over 300 mph. He can quite easily exceed the speed of sound. And to quote Marvel's website, "Since his abilities were fully awakened by the High Evolutionary's Isotope E, he no longer knows the upper limits of his speed."

He's not Flash fast, but he's probably 1000+mph fast.
I don't think he could ever go supersonic before the Isotope-E thing . . . at least, I don't remember him ever doing it. But I've mostly read his X-Factor appearances, as I'm not that big an Avengers fan.

I say regular Quicksilver (subsonic) is a regular, Isotope-E quicksilver (supersonic) is a medium, and anyone who approaches a significant fraction of lightspeed is uber. Especially if they also have speed force tricks like vibrating through things, stealing or giving speed, etc.

[XFanTim]

Barry's level is, for all intents and purposes, Wally's current level. Barry could go at light speed, Wally can exceed it, but if he does, he becomes part of the Speed Force. So for any practical purposes, Wally's top speed is light speed.

Max, like Wally, can reach the Speed Force and potentially join with it; it's only his fear that keeps him from pushing himself into that last burst of speed to really join the SF and bounce off it. The reason Max doesn't go as fast as Wally all the time is because, like Jay, he's an old man. His endurance is shot because his body just can't take the rigors of light speed for more than a little while. He's definitely able to reach it though.

In The Return of Barry Allen, Professor Zoom was much younger than Max and, I suspect, had better acceleration than any of the other speedsters. That would explain why Max was cake to Zoom on the ground but could beat him on the girders: Zoom had space to accelerate and move around freely on the ground, whereas on the girders they were both limited to short bursts of speed and Max's natural acrobatic ability enabled him to take Zoom out.
That makes sense. :up:

So is there any rule against someone picking up the young Max Mercury?

[TheCorpulent1]

That's what I meant. I know JB knows him form that story arc and probably other people too, so he's going to be like that in everybody's mind. People have argued that just because the GL's have high willpower doesn't really give them psi-defenses (I don't know if they have ever seen his fights with Hector Hammond, but that was ages ago with Hal), so even people who saw Brainwave in the GL issue don't see him as an Uber. So, really, if he's going to be seen as a Med (and I know you're not going to abuse him anyway), he might as well stay a Med.
The main thing that confuses me about his power level is how he was treated like such a little b**** in Sand's mind. Sand's got a normal level of willpower by all indications, yet he's able to break through Brainwave's telepathy and move after Brainwave has told him to stop. He's also able to knock Brainwave out in his mind. I've seen Martian Manhunter enter other people's minds and dominate them on their own ground, so that seems to suggest that Brainwave's mental powers aren't all they're cracked up to be.
That makes sense. :up:

So is there any rule against someone picking up the young Max Mercury?
I doubt there's a rule against it, though the younger Max is pretty hard to define. Back in the Old West, he was probably around Barry's level, but I can't say for sure because there's no material on him from that time.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Quicksilver can run well over 300 mph. He can quite easily exceed the speed of sound. And to quote Marvel's website, "Since his abilities were fully awakened by the High Evolutionary's Isotope E, he no longer knows the upper limits of his speed."

He's not Flash fast, but he's probably 1000+mph fast.thats his full ability, which he would never have w/o the HE. The fastest WS has ran is 300 mph(which then he has to rest, in other words thats his sprint) for small distances and 200 mph for long distances(which for Marvel directory would be correct, saying that its 175)

[TheCorpulent1]

So just specify that you're taking Quicksilver without Isotope E and you should be fine. Or was normal Quicksilver judged a medium too?

I honestly have no idea why no one has picked up Savitar. He's second only to Walter West in pure Speed Force badassery.

[XFanTim]

Didn't JB have him for a while?

[AnnoyingSilence]

I doubt there's a rule against it, though the younger Max is pretty hard to define. Back in the Old West, he was probably around Barry's level, but I can't say for sure because there's no material on him from that time.I disagree, QS and QS(IE) are not suggnificant enough to be seprate characters(I can't have QS because someone else has him with IE). Age is not good enough... If it is... :daredevil

[AnnoyingSilence]

Need some help here.

The Brain(JLA: Year One Composite version)
Tommorrow Woman

[TheCorpulent1]

Didn't JB have him for a while?
I don't know. If anyone's wondering though, Savitar is capable of a lot of stuff. He can accelerate and decelerate anything, meaning he can also redirect anything along its trajectory. He can lend speed on a higher scale than most other speedsters. He sped 50 of his ninjas up simultaneously to the point where they could almost keep up with Wally, Jay, and Impulse. He's also sped other people up over huge distances, like hundreds of miles, but that might have been due to the fact that he had a giant Speed Force capacitor at the time. Still, any distance over most of the battlefields would probably be fine. He's not as fast as Wally, since he could never break the Speed Force barrier on his own, but he's definitely fast enough to give Wally and any other speedster serious problems. His top speed is probably just under light speed, since he could keep up with Wally ok. He can also accelerate objects from rest and steal speed from others. Plus he's evil and he'll use his powers to their fullest potential.

[XFanTim]

I disagree, QS and QS(IE) are not suggnificant enough to be seprate characters(I can't have QS because someone else has him with IE). Age is not good enough... If it is... :daredevil
Good point. I forgot Primeover already has Max Mercury.

You could always get AOA Quicksilver if you wanted him. Just like regular QS, but with leadership experience and maybe a bit more ruthless (since everyone is a bit more ruthless in the AOA.)

[XFanTim]

I don't know. If anyone's wondering though, Savitar is capable of a lot of stuff. He can accelerate and decelerate anything, meaning he can also redirect anything along its trajectory. He can lend speed on a higher scale than most other speedsters. He sped 50 of his ninjas up simultaneously to the point where they could almost keep up with Wally, Jay, and Impulse. He's also sped other people up over huge distances, like hundreds of miles, but that might have been due to the fact that he had a giant Speed Force capacitor at the time. Still, any distance over most of the battlefields would probably be fine. He's not as fast as Wally, since he could never break the Speed Force barrier on his own, but he's definitely fast enough to give Wally and any other speedster serious problems. His top speed is probably just under light speed, since he could keep up with Wally ok. He can also accelerate objects from rest and steal speed from others. Plus he's evil and he'll use his powers to their fullest potential.
If I didn't already have Zoom I'd be tempted to get him.

[Tropico]

The main thing that confuses me about his power level is how he was treated like such a little b**** in Sand's mind. Sand's got a normal level of willpower by all indications, yet he's able to break through Brainwave's telepathy and move after Brainwave has told him to stop. He's also able to knock Brainwave out in his mind. I've seen Martian Manhunter enter other people's minds and dominate them on their own ground, so that seems to suggest that Brainwave's mental powers aren't all they're cracked up to be.


It seemed more like they were in a dreamscape than in Sand's mind, Sand was acting as Sandman in there which gave him a considerable advantage since he was the master of dreams. It's very likely that he was downgraded in the JSA stories to make him more manageable. He certainly seemed wimpier after they took out Mr. Mind.

[Johnny Blaze]

Yeah, I had Savitar for a while in the beginning of the season. Cut him for Takion though once he became available.

As for Brainwave getting punked in Sand's mind...wasn't Brute and Glob in control of his mind at the time? That might've had something to do with it.

[AnnoyingSilence]

if your 3x as strong as superman and your small enough to fit in an ear... Can you kill someoneby diving into thier brain?

[Guyverjay]

He wouldn't be 3 times stronger than Superman at that size and you wouldn't need to be. Shrinking violet has put a Daxamite down on the floor just by clawing at his ear drum:o

[AnnoyingSilence]

Well at regular size She isn't as strong as 3 Supes either... on top of that... bwahahahaha

[Guyverjay]

Remember Bion doesn't fight very well at all against people that aren't in his Database (legionaires), so try and keep him in character:o

[AnnoyingSilence]

yes i know... Its a planned manuver set up by Cerebro. and placed there by DazedRazor(New Cerebro Assassin)

its a real simple conjoured idea actually. Once you see that he can shrink, whats the first thing that pops into mind...? yea

[Guyverjay]

Um ever thought about updating his database there AS, you do have Cerebro. Do I have to think of everything around here?:mad: :p

[TheCorpulent1]

Once you see that he can shrink, whats the first thing that pops into mind...?
"Fly on the wall of the girls' locker room."

[Tropico]

BION has a tendency to fight opponents ontheir own level. He even shrunk down to fight Shrinking Violet, and with all his powers he chose to fight Laurel on her own terms mostly (only used Cham's power at the end). He's...weird.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Um ever thought about updating his database there AS, you do have Cerebro. Do I have to think of everything around here?:mad: :pdidn't know he was a living computer... but that is something to work into pre-battle
"Fly on the wall of the girls' locker room."We have a winner

[AnnoyingSilence]

BION has a tendency to fight opponents ontheir own level. He even shrunk down to fight Shrinking Violet, and with all his powers he chose to fight Laurel on her own terms mostly (only used Cham's power at the end). He's...weird.on thier own level uh??? well he ain't the leader anymore, and i'm sure he can respect the opinion of another computer. his not in it for personal vandeta's anymore... this is a team fight and we are to make it that way

[TheCorpulent1]

You could probably just have Cerebro reprogram BION to be more logical in the use of its powers.

[Tropico]

It was never a personal vendetta, it's what he was programmed by the Dominators to do. Just because we have a tendency to do something it doesn't mean that it's the only thing we do. As for respecting others opinions...I think BION might be the smartest of the bunche seeing as he has Brainy's 12th level intelligence (when he chooses to use it). If his mission is to beat the other team, it's what he'll do. The rest I'm sure you'll come up with in your write up.

[Tropico]

You could probably just have Cerebro reprogram BION to be more logical in the use of its powers.

Cerebro reprogramming 30th Century tech? Reprogram him when Brainy hadn't been able to do precisely that, even though he had been the creator of the Computo matrix that BION runs off of? But, hey, it's his character to use...;):D

[AnnoyingSilence]

aaa

[Guyverjay]

:confused:

[Tropico]

:confused:x2

[AnnoyingSilence]

Cerebro reprogramming 30th Century tech? Reprogram him when Brainy hadn't been able to do precisely that, even though he had been the creator of the Computo matrix that BION runs off of? But, hey, it's his character to use...;):DIts not really the fact of reprogramming, but just deleting certain files and replacing with something better(need i remind you even tho Bion is 30th Century Forge can find ways to do anything to mechanics)

[TheCorpulent1]

Cerebro reprogramming 30th Century tech? Reprogram him when Brainy hadn't been able to do precisely that, even though he had been the creator of the Computo matrix that BION runs off of? But, hey, it's his character to use...;):D
I didn't know about that, I'm just making random suggestions. BION seems pretty simplistic and stupid for such an advanced AI, so I just assumed Cerebro might be able to upload some of its own common sense into BION or something.

[AnnoyingSilence]

any how, its all been taken care of(see my pre-battle 12-4)

[Tropico]

Its not really the fact of reprogramming, but just deleting certain files and replacing with something better(need i remind you even tho Bion is 30th Century Forge can find ways to do anything to mechanics)

Ummm, yeah.:confused: Because, taking and replacing files and making them work is nowhere near reprogramming.:confused:

Do whatever you want anyway, if I have any more arguments I'll hold off until I vote.

[wiegeabo]

Quick question: What's the Worlogog do for the hourman android?
Better yet, what the heck's a Worlogog?

[Guyverjay]

Map of the universe (kind of)

[Union Jack]

From this week i am not going to be doing the DTL anymore.
The main reasons being.....
The too uber thing is now at a stupid level,so it is not much fun anymore...alot may disagree some may agree,but that is what i think.
also being slated for your write up is not fun,a bit of criticism is ok but being told its basically crap is no fun whatsoever.
Also because of these reasons the inclination to do the write ups is very little.

last time was fun,it was great to do,but this time has not been much fun,maybe when all the uber stuff is sorted out and we get back to just enjoying the genre and not ripping lumps out of people i'd come back...like i said last time round was fun.
This may seem out of the blue sort of thing but i have thought about quitting for a while,the amount of people quit so far is alot,so something must be wrong somewhere....
I am sorry to those i'm to face in the DTL cos i'm dropping out,and i hope what i put has not offended anyone...cos that is not my intention.
so my team is up for grabs,people are welcome to it.

but i'm not gonna be doing DTL anymore.

This also includes this week,so sorry to nightwing too......:(

[TheCorpulent1]

Sorry to hear, UJ. There's only a few weeks left, though. Sure you don't want to try and tough it out for the remainder of the season?
Quick question: What's the Worlogog do for the hourman android?
Better yet, what the heck's a Worlogog?
It's supposed to be a map of the universe from beginning to end. Hourman uses it to manipulate time however he wants to. He can do pretty much anything with time that he wants, including changing the flow of time, teleporting through the timestream, teleporting through space, teleporting other objects and people through time (both into and out of the present), creating temoral images of things, plucking other versions of himself from time, artificially aging and de-aging people and things along their timelines, and the list goes on. He's basically omnipotent as far as time goes.

[Guyverjay]

I said that.....kind of

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but you didn't tell him what it could do, which was his first question. It's ok though, I think everyone knows better than to really expect you to be helpful. :p

[wiegeabo]

And that's what I'm going up against?...huh...hmm...ok
Lucky I already made the playoffs then :D

[TheCorpulent1]

So, just to get this straight: Since JB didn't list Ultra Boy, Mon-El, Thunder, or any of the other Superman-level physical characters among Composite Man's current powers, can I assume that he has the natural strength and durability of a typical Durlan by default, or were super-strength and durability just understood?

[AnnoyingSilence]

Ummm, yeah.:confused: Because, taking and replacing files and making them work is nowhere near reprogramming.:confused:

Do whatever you want anyway, if I have any more arguments I'll hold off until I vote.reprogramming is pretty much formatting and install something new. I'm just deleting a couple files and putting some back in. its reprogramming on a smaller scale(updating as Da Guyv said)

[AnnoyingSilence]

From this week i am not going to be doing the DTL anymore.
The main reasons being.....
The too uber thing is now at a stupid level,so it is not much fun anymore...alot may disagree some may agree,but that is what i think.
also being slated for your write up is not fun,a bit of criticism is ok but being told its basically crap is no fun whatsoever.
Also because of these reasons the inclination to do the write ups is very little.

last time was fun,it was great to do,but this time has not been much fun,maybe when all the uber stuff is sorted out and we get back to just enjoying the genre and not ripping lumps out of people i'd come back...like i said last time round was fun.
This may seem out of the blue sort of thing but i have thought about quitting for a while,the amount of people quit so far is alot,so something must be wrong somewhere....
I am sorry to those i'm to face in the DTL cos i'm dropping out,and i hope what i put has not offended anyone...cos that is not my intention.
so my team is up for grabs,people are welcome to it.

but i'm not gonna be doing DTL anymore.

This also includes this week,so sorry to nightwing too......:(sorry to hear it... your not alone in your topics of "that part sucks".

[AnnoyingSilence]

there it is... the new and improved signature... how yall like that representation??

[Guyverjay]

So, just to get this straight: Since JB didn't list Ultra Boy, Mon-El, Thunder, or any of the other Superman-level physical characters among Composite Man's current powers, can I assume that he has the natural strength and durability of a typical Durlan by default, or were super-strength and durability just understood?


Super strength no, but he is more durable than a normal durlan. He seemed to be able to take any punishment they could dish out without virtually any harm to himself

[TheCorpulent1]

Ok, thanks.

[XFanTim]

Of course, the moment he sees Sersi he'll get all her physical abilities -- plus, if I really wanted him to have superstrength from the start I could have him copy Iceman, who can enhance his strength by absorbing water into himself.

[Guyverjay]

Ooh already corrupted:p

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh yeah, I forgot to assume that he'd have all the powers of your other team members already.

[Johnny Blaze]

Sorry to see you go, Jack. :(

I guess there definitely will be some contraction for next season. :o

[Union Jack]

yeah,if next time round it gets put back to what it was like last time i will come back as i did enjoy doing it last time,but this season seems like a chore...too many people have dropped out this time too,it all goes back to what i was saying in a previous post.
but like i say next time round,we start from scratch get our characters from scratch again then i would probably do it again.
but till then....

[TheCorpulent1]

Aw, from scratch? I like my characters... no one would've even known who Proctor was before this season, but now I have a feeling he'll be a popular choice. :(

[Guyverjay]

By scratch I think he means all the too uber guys being thrown out. Not stripping everyone of their guys. After all JB did pick up Savitar

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, okely dokles.

[Johnny Blaze]

Yeah, there will be no more drafts.
We'll just have to come to an agreement on a power level cap or what not for the Ubers.
Like no speedsters more powerful than Wally West.
No bruisers more powerful than the Hulk.

Have to figure out a cap for characters with multiple powers such as Silver Surfer and the Martian Manhunter.
And have to figure out what to do with the magic users as well, like Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, and Mordru.

[JewishHobbit]

Aw, from scratch? I like my characters... no one would've even known who Proctor was before this season, but now I have a feeling he'll be a popular choice. :(

I knew who proctor was,.. but I could'nt have used him as wel as you :)

[TheCorpulent1]

My love for Proctor is rivaled only by my love for jelly beans. And let me tell you, that's a looooooot of love. :D
Like no speedsters more powerful than Wally West.
That doesn't include Walter, does it?

[AnnoyingSilence]

loot of love:confused:

jk

[Tropico]

From this week i am not going to be doing the DTL anymore.
The main reasons being.....
The too uber thing is now at a stupid level,so it is not much fun anymore...alot may disagree some may agree,but that is what i think.
also being slated for your write up is not fun,a bit of criticism is ok but being told its basically crap is no fun whatsoever.
Also because of these reasons the inclination to do the write ups is very little.
*snip*

but i'm not gonna be doing DTL anymore.

This also includes this week,so sorry to nightwing too......:(

:(:(:(
Please do check us out when we start the adjustments for next season. If you're a part of it there's a better chance that things might turn out in a way that would make you comfortable enough to return, right? ;):D

[Johnny Blaze]

That doesn't include Walter, does it? I was thinking more speed wise.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ok, that works.

[XFanTim]

I was thinking more speed wise.
While Zoom is faster than Wally (although it's not really "speed", but you know what I mean), I think he should still be allowed too. Given that he doesn't have all the speed force tricks, I mean.

[TheCorpulent1]

Wally can pump himself up to Zoom's level now, too. He's used Jesse's speed formula without her even being present, so Wally and Zoom would really be about equal if they max themselves out.

[XFanTim]

Can he maintain it, though? In Blitz it seemed like Wally could only hang with Zoom for a while, but would eventually use up Jesse's speed boost.

[JewishHobbit]

Where's all the voting this week at?!

[wiegeabo]

Can he maintain it, though? In Blitz it seemed like Wally could only hang with Zoom for a while, but would eventually use up Jesse's speed boost.

Wally's boost was temporary. Towards the end of the fight, Wally was beginning to slow down.

[wiegeabo]

Where's all the voting this week at?!


I'm reading, I'm reading! And writing.

Almost done, hold on.

[wiegeabo]

Updated magic numbers in Update thread.

[wiegeabo]

I have a request for the update page...

could all the ownerless teams and their character lists be put at the bottom of the team list? That way they would all be together, out of the way of active teams, and we'd have a nice, quick place to look for the available characters, instead of scrolling between all the teams.

[TheCorpulent1]

If the DTL Update lists are gonna be overhauled, it'd be nice to have all the teams organized by class too.

[wiegeabo]

And maybe list team names alphabetically or somekind of order :D

[Johnny Blaze]

My, aren't we getting *****y? http://www.honda-acura.net/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Yeah, I'll see what I can do. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't really care either way, I just automatically look at the top of the list for ubers so I thought it'd be cool if they could be organized that way. If it's not too much trouble.

[wiegeabo]

My, aren't we getting *****y? http://www.honda-acura.net/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Yeah, I'll see what I can do. :o

And I want some ice cream, and a candy bar, and a pony, and some TPB's, and a new computer, uh....magic powers, and a cool cape. :hyper:

[Johnny Blaze]

And I want some ice cream, and a candy bar, and a pony, and some TPB's, and a new computer, uh....magic powers, and a cool cape. :hyper:
Um...uh...ok. :o

[wiegeabo]

Thanks JB, the update threads much nicer now. So much easier to browse. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes, much nicer. Many thanks. :)

[Harlekin]

Just, one thing... I traded Captain Marvel III for Supes from Union Jack's team. And that Supes became my Green Lantern.

[Johnny Blaze]

Hey
I'm asking everyone to just please let the each Week's battle threads die once they are over. With 4 new threads coming up just a few days later, not to mention the Transaction thread, Update thread, and this thread, they take up a lot unnecessary space.

[JewishHobbit]

Sorry boss. I posted in week 1 again before reading that. I should have known better, my appaulogies.

[Gilrean]

And I want some ice cream, and a candy bar, and a pony, and some TPB's, and a new computer, uh....magic powers, and a cool cape. :hyper:

I can make you the cape ;)

[JewishHobbit]

Can someone give me some details on Oa? I'm trying to plan for this week but I don't know anything about the place except that it has something to do with the Green Lanterns.

[TheCorpulent1]

http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Oa

[JewishHobbit]

So would Sinestro be at any more or less of an advantage being there save familiority to the area?

[TheCorpulent1]

Uh... I don't think it'd make much of a difference. He's not even using a Green Lantern ring (at least it's not specified that you have him from his GL days), so it couldn't be argued that the CPB's proximity would give him a boost. It'd be pretty much like any other planet to him, except that he knows the lay of the land a bit better.

[wiegeabo]

Is this Oa pre-Emerald twilight, or after Kyle rebuilt the planet? And if pre-twilight, is Mosaic on Oa?

[wiegeabo]

Uh... I don't think it'd make much of a difference. He's not even using a Green Lantern ring (at least it's not specified that you have him from his GL days), so it couldn't be argued that the CPB's proximity would give him a boost. It'd be pretty much like any other planet to him, except that he knows the lay of the land a bit better.


I don't remember Sinestro being able to pull power directly from the Battery with his yellow ring, but he might be so interested in gaining the power of the Battery (expecially since Hal was able to do it), that he might forgo any battle plans in order to possess it.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think we're assuming he wouldn't end up with the full CPB power, since Parallax and Ion were both too uber last time I checked.

[wiegeabo]

True enough, but would Sinestro know that?