Dream Team League (Discussion)

[Harlekin]

True. But they're also reliable regardless.
Than I say sign 'em up, get the teams in order and let's get this DTL a rock and rollin'.

[wiegeabo]

Than I say sign 'em up, get the teams in order and let's get this DTL a rock and rollin'.


Don't come a knock'n when the DTL's a rock'n :p :D

[Johnny Blaze]

Well, Jason says he's still in, and that he's just waiting for S3 to start. I told him though that he needs to start participating more in the goings on of the DTL.
So, his team will not be marked as ownerless any time soon.

[X]

I'm liking the new sig, Blaze. :D

[wiegeabo]

Well, Jason says he's still in, and that he's just waiting for S3 to start. I told him though that he needs to start participating more in the goings on of the DTL.
So, his team will not be marked as ownerless any time soon.

Just showing up once in a while to let us know he's alive and keeping up with changes would be enough for me.

[Eyeballing]

Welcome back Roughneck :D :up:

[Eyeballing]

and since I need one more DR does anyone have any good suggestions for a strong DR?

[TheCorpulent1]

Strong as in physically strong, or just a good one?

[Johnny Blaze]

Well, for decent DR...there's Raven, Shade, Animal Man (Titans of Tomorrow), Jericho, Deadshot, Green Arrow, Drakon, Captain Cold, Scarecrow/Scarebeast, Vixen, Hourman (Rick Tyler), Wildcat, Dr. Mid-Nite, and Hawkman off the top of my head.

I'm liking the new sig, Blaze. :D Thanks. :up:

[Roughneck]

Sorry to sound Stupid guys but I've been away......So what do I need to do to get caught back up?

[Roughneck]

Nevermind. I just read back and I have one spod to fill dues to losing Dr. Midas to the Uber Bar Drop. Gotcha.

[Roughneck]

In that case who can recomend a Good Marvel Uber?


My plan last year of a weaker team didn't work out so well. Actually I was pleased with it. But I'm upping the ante this time around.

[X]

Ghost Rider. Pick him up, now!

[Roughneck]

I'll do that. Thanks. If I don't want him I can always use hi fro trade leverage or something?

Is GR really Uber?

[X]

He's a regular? :confused:

[wiegeabo]

I thought GR was an MM.

[X]

.............

The Guardians of the Galaxy one might be. I don't think the normal ones a Middleweight though.

[Roughneck]

Oh. So can anyone recomend a good MU that is still available?

[X]

Stellaris. :up:

[AnnoyingSilence]

Nuh-uh. Check again how many teams are SURE that they'll stay. I'll drop out to take it back to 16. A bigger DTL is NOT a better DTL, IMO!DIDO! i think 20 is too much 16 is perfect. for this league of dedicated troops, 16 is A BUNCH of reading to do on your free time. Think about it... we've yet to have 16 or so dedicated troops, those we haven't experienced 16 write-ups to read every week. reguardless to say. DTL is already going to take up 4 slots a week(dedicated slots) and an additional 2 slots(trans and discussion). not like last season when only 1 was dedicated and 3 was almost impossible

[TheCorpulent1]

.............

The Guardians of the Galaxy one might be. I don't think the normal ones a Middleweight though.I think Ghost Rider should be a middleweight. He's basically indestructible and he has massive offensive powers that can tear through just about anyone, including ubers.

[Tropico]

DIDO! i think 20 is too much 16 is perfect. for this league of dedicated troops, 16 is A BUNCH of reading to do on your free time. Think about it... we've yet to have 16 or so dedicated troops, those we haven't experienced 16 write-ups to read every week. reguardless to say. DTL is already going to take up 4 slots a week(dedicated slots) and an additional 2 slots(trans and discussion). not like last season when only 1 was dedicated and 3 was almost impossible

http://portal.obermain.de/pub/bin/dido.jpeg

[TheCorpulent1]

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. :D

[X]

Bwhahha. :D

Corp's spacing in his post makes it that much funnier. :D

[Harlekin]

Well, for decent DR...there's Raven, Shade, Animal Man (Titans of Tomorrow), Jericho, Deadshot, Green Arrow, Drakon, Captain Cold, Scarecrow/Scarebeast, Vixen, Hourman (Rick Tyler), Wildcat, Dr. Mid-Nite, and Hawkman off the top of my head.

Thanks. :up:
I've got Hawkman though.

[AnnoyingSilence]

:D Trops Got Jokes :D

[X]

And you've got nothing'. :mad:

[AnnoyingSilence]

uuuuuuu, that was nastey

[Tropico]

Pssst, X! I think you meant notnin'. :o

Ditto, my annoying DTL compatriot. The word you're looking for is ditto.;) Remember the movie "Ghost"? That's what he said to her...ditto. Entiendes? Cool!:up:

[Roughneck]

Ditto

[AnnoyingSilence]

Pssst, X! I think you meant notnin'. :o

Ditto, my annoying DTL compatriot. The word you're looking for is ditto.;) Remember the movie "Ghost"? That's what he said to her...ditto. Entiendes? Cool!:up:yes and..?

and this is the first time i've seen it spelled that way... and the way people around me say it... dido

[Eyeballing]

Strong as in physically strong, or just a good one?


No I just meant strong as in a good DR teammate to have :D Someone not necessarily powerful in the strength department but in other areas :D

[The Leaguer]

yes and..?

and this is the first time i've seen it spelled that way... and the way people around me say it... dido

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=dido
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ditto

[AnnoyingSilence]

alot of you go to lengths to humiliate me, why is that?

[Roughneck]

I don't.....but it looks fun.

Actually the annonyminoty of the internet turns little cowwardly weasels into big bad people.


But you know all about that don't you:D:D

[AnnoyingSilence]

peanut butter jelly time
peanut butter jelly time
peanut peanut peanut butter jelly time

[Tropico]

alot of you go to lengths to humiliate me, why is that?

Is it humiliating to try and help you with your grammar? I just see it as helping a fella out.

It's been quite a while since any of us has made any attmpt at doing so. We know you get all defensive and pissy about it. Meanwhile. you'e the one that busts out the quoted posts correcting other people when you get in a bad mood. The irony in that is priceless!

We have to put up with your stuff, right? You've said on more than one ocasion that that's the way you are. Well, I still have hope that your written English can get better so occasionaly I will try to help you out. I will never give up on you, you Annoying Sumbitsh! NEVER!!:o

[AnnoyingSilence]

Is it humiliating to try and help you with your grammar? I just see it as helping a fella out.
yea :rolleyes: with the best intentions uh?
It's been quite a while since any of us has made any attmpt at doing so.
where have you been?
We know you get all defensive and pissy about it. Meanwhile. you're the one that busts out the quoted posts correcting other people when you get in a bad mood. The irony in that is priceless!
no no see... when I do it, I'm the only one whos correcting. It is only pointed out because you all whine that I do it. I only rarely point out your mistakes, by my self
We have to put up with your stuff, right? You've said on more than one occasion that that's the way you are. Well, I still have hope that your written English can get better so occasionaly I will try to help you out. I will never give up on you, you Annoying Sumbitsh! NEVER!!:oyou put up with my bluntness, not me making fun of you and then everyone else joining in.

you mispelt 2 things, but thats what i'm leaving it at

[Tropico]

It's not my fault other people joined in. Your "bluntness" isn't your only fault, ask around.

AS, if you look back at when we were constantly on you for your barely cohesive posts that was MONTHS ago. You're the one that constantly brings up the "you're always ragging on me for my spelling. I'm not good at it, I'm good at math, bla, bla bla" thing like we were still doing it. Look back and you'll see that we're not.

Your posts have gotten better and I would hope that with time they will get even better. As you keep on writing more frequently the chances of that happening increase and with us correcting you once in a while (not for stupid things like teh instead of the) the chances are even higher. Is it a sore point with you? Don't be so defensive about it and it won't be.

If you wanna dish it out, you gotta suck it up too, son! Comb your hair!

[AnnoyingSilence]

AS, if you look back at when we were constantly on you for your barely cohesive posts that was MONTHS ago. You're the one that constantly brings up the "you're always ragging on me for my spelling. I'm not good at it, I'm good at math, bla, bla bla" thing like we were still doing it. Look back and you'll see that we're not.
why would i say that unless it was brought up for me to have to defend myself? think on that...
Your posts have gotten better and I would hope that with time they will get even better. As you keep on writing more frequently the chances of that happening increase and with us correcting you once in a while:rolleyes: (not for stupid things like teh instead of the) the chances are even higher. Is it a sore point with you?yes Don't be so defensive about it and it won't be.

If you wanna dish it out, you gotta suck it up too, son! Comb your hair!Ha Ha Ha, he said Comb your hair... thats my line... i dish it out and i suck it up, but most of all. I refrain from saying alot of stuff. i usually don't say anything that upsets people(no point in it) or join in with everyone else in laughing at one person(i'm not specificly pointing anyone out because there no point in that either).

[Tropico]

Look, I'm not angry at you nor am I looking for a fight. I want to make this clear 'cause a lot of people think that when I make long posts and keep at something is because of that and it's not.



why would i say that unless it was brought up for me to have to defend myself? think on that...
I wish I knew. Every time I see one of your "correcting" posts I go WTF? and re-read a couple of pages back to see where the heck someone corrected you and there isn't any post like that. From what I've seen you've taken to doing it when someone disagrees with you.

Is it a sore point with you?yes
I know it's a sore point with you. If we can't understand something you posted we HAVE to ask you what it meant. Would you prefer we just ignore you completely? We don't correct you as much as we did at the begining; we don't even correct you 1/8 of what we corrected you. It just seems like more to you because it's something you get defensive about. You can use the rolleyes smiley all you want, my wishes for your writing getting better are sincere.

Ha Ha Ha, he said Comb your hair... thats my line... i dish it out and i suck it up, but most of all. I refrain from saying alot of stuff. i usually don't say anything that upsets people(no point in it) or join in with everyone else in laughing at one person(i'm not specificly pointing anyone out because there no point in that either).

Yeah, I used your line on purpose even though I still don't know WTF you're talking about. You holding back doesn't say anything to me at all, it's something we all do; it doesn't make you better or special. And as you said, you "usually" don't engage in the behavior that you don't like, but still do it. If you see yourself as rolling with it when people are "blunt" with you, that's your point of view. Me? I disagree.:D

[AnnoyingSilence]

Look, I'm not angry at you nor am I looking for a fight. I want to make this clear 'cause a lot of people think that when I make long posts and keep at something is because of that and it's not.
niether am i

Yeah, I used your line on purpose even though I still don't know WTF you're talking about.
Comb your hair? Nothing, just something i picked up years ago
You holding back doesn't say anything to me at all, it's something we all do. it doesn't make you better or special.
never said it did
And as you said, you "usually" don't engage in the behavior that you don't like, but still do it.
yes, who doesn't. arguing is something i hate to do, but in the DTL arguing is what it comes down to alot of the time. wiether it be for a character or a write-up...

[AnnoyingSilence]

I know it's a sore point with you. If we can't understand something you posted we HAVE to ask you what it meant. Would you prefer we just ignore you completely? We don't correct you as much as we did at the begining; we don't even correct you 1/8 of what we corrected you. It just seems like more to you because it's something you get defensive about. You can use the rolleyes smiley all you want, my wishes for your writing getting better are sincere.http://www.explodingdog.com/dumbpict51/youknowiloveyou.gif

[TheCorpulent1]

Wow, you officially suck for using one of those piece of **** images from that bastage's piece of **** website. :(

[Tropico]

I never can get existential weird love.:(

My brain sees so many wrong things with that pic...but I'll just shut my eyes and concentrate on the words only.:(

[TheCorpulent1]

I have to shut my eyes to prevent myself from ripping them out. I hate that guy's "art."

[Eyeballing]

Hey guys are there any heroes out there (which I am sure there are) that can either

A) Augment others powers, abilities, bodies etc?

or

B) Somehow endow others with powers or abilities?


I would perfer someone on the regular level or Medium level that is able to accomplish this/these feats:D Unless that would make them an Uber :D :up:

[primemover]

Any tech guy can make gadgets to do that, and most of them are regulars, guys like Reed Richards, or somebody rich with alot of resources like Lex Luthor. Somebody with contact of a supergroup or team can utilize stuff from them, like getting a Legion of Superheroes flight ring, etc.

Just remember, you can't give somebody a device that will up their ranking though, so giving a regular one of Luthor's war suits wouldn't be kosher :)

[Tropico]

Fabian Cortez. Power augmenter.
I'm not sure if Sabra can endow special abilities to anyone whenever she wants or if there are special conditions.

[wiegeabo]

No one comes to mind.

There is a restriction about power granters. After you bump up someone's powers, you must still have a legal lineup. You can't give someone so much power that it bumbs them up a weightclass, unless you still have a legal lineup even after the upgrade.

For example, if you've got two uber's in your lineup, you can't make another person an uber because that would give you 3 ubers (unless you can somehow downgrade an uber down a class). But if you only had 1 uber in you lineup (because you used 2 middlewieghts) you could bump an uber up to middleweight. Or if you used 3 reg's and no middleweights, you could bump one of the regs to middleweight. There are a bunch of other combinations.

You also can't bump an uber up to where they become too uber. What represents a character becomming tuber is hard to say now, but would be brought up during battle discussion and be reflected in voting.

[primemover]

Hrm, I thought you couldn't alter your characters ranking just at any time like that, unless you drop/add a different version of them to your roster.

[Tropico]

It was brought up during the last weeks of the playoffs, I think. JB said taht you could. for example, take Iron Man give the armor to another regular and have Tony Stark as a reg. You would have to have a REALLY good explanation why your Uber would do that, though.

[Eyeballing]

Hmmm so what would constitue upgrading an reg or medium to a medium or an uber? Just more powers? Or enhanching their powers? Or providing them with as someone said Lex's war armor suites.

What if I only enhance certain traits, say I make my regs more durable but keep the rest of their powers the same? Or say I only add an additional power they didn't before posses, such as Teleportation?

What if I only equip them with devices such as a telepathy mind block or something of that sort?

Also what if it is only temporary? Say I upgrade Captain America's strength and powerlevels by a factor of 10 but it only last for say 20 mins? Does that change the requirement I need to make for a starting roster?

[TheCorpulent1]

Time limits on that level don't really make a difference. Upgrade Captain America to 10 times his usual physical stats and you've got a middleweight who could probably take down most ubers in under 20 minutes. I often gave my characters speed boosts, and the rule of thumb for that seemed to be just to keep a reg's speed down to like Spider-Man's level, middleweights around the speed of sound, and ubers I could go crazy on.

You've always gotta be careful to strike a balance, though. You can't just amp your characters up or have Iron Man give Batgirl his armor to make a super-ultra death assassin chick every match. It's generally viewed as kind of cheap and people will probably get bored of it and start voting against you.

[Eyeballing]

No I wasn't really thinking that, I was simply thinking of how I could optomize having Multiple Man makes as many duplicates as is allowed ( I believe i recall someone saying around 125 for Regs, something like 30 for Meds and 0 for Ubers) and how to best amp them up or upgrade them :D :up:


Also how powerful is Sue Richards invisible sheild and what is it's approximate projection size if any? I've seen her Redirect a gama bomb Blast at point blank range but it was quite a task for her :D

Oh and Corp who is that a pic of in your Avatar?

[TheCorpulent1]

Libra, master of the balance. You don't know it, but he pwns your soul. :p

Sue's shield is powerful enough to stand up to everything up to major powerhouses like the Hulk indefinitely. Powerhouses would break through it eventually, and the stronger they are, the quicker the shield would go. Also, it taxes her a lot when major forces pound on her shield. She's had nosebleeds and stuff trying to keep them up, and when they finally break she experiences a psychic backlash. As for the maximum projection distance, she's covered the entire island of Manhattan in a sphere before.

Regarding the Multiple Man thing, just make sure you don't load him down with too much stuff. You wouldn't be able to give him anything that pushes him out of his weight class, either.

[X]

Libra, master of the balance. You don't know it, but he pwns your soul. :p

Sue's shield is powerful enough to stand up to everything up to major powerhouses like the Hulk indefinitely. Powerhouses would break through it eventually, and the stronger they are, the quicker the shield would go. Also, it taxes her a lot when major forces pound on her shield. She's had nosebleeds and stuff trying to keep them up, and when they finally break she experiences a psychic backlash. As for the maximum projection distance, she's covered the entire island of Manhattan in a sphere before.

Regarding the Multiple Man thing, just make sure you don't load him down with too much stuff. You wouldn't be able to give him anything that pushes him out of his weight class, either.

:up:

Like your new sig too. :D

Sue's shields have held up to several shots from Gladiator, several Mjolnir shots from Thor, The Thing and The Hulk at the time time, a Gamma Bomd (as mentioned) during The Infinity War. Like Corp said, she covered Manhatten when Terrax brought it into space.

I hear she ripped a hole through Galactus's chest in a What If. Din't do much to the big G, but that's still pretty insane.

[XFanTim]

On the other hand, Maxam (kind of an honorary member of the Infinity Watch) once burst through Sue's forcefield. His power is to increase his size and density, and so he just grew until he burst through it. Kind of a low showing for Sue, though . . . plus Maxam's maximum size isn't that big -- he just goes from a skinny guy to a big Hulk sized guy -- so if she'd just made the forcefield bigger he might have been screwed.

Maxam would be a good pickup for anyone looking for a bruiser, by the way . . . at maximum density, he can go toe-to-toe with people like Drax and Hercules. Plus, he's immune to telepathy, and completely invisible to mechanical sensors. And he has these little rockets on his boots that let him fly.

[Eyeballing]

On the other hand, Maxam (kind of an honorary member of the Infinity Watch) once burst through Sue's forcefield. His power is to increase his size and density, and so he just grew until he burst through it. Kind of a low showing for Sue, though . . . plus Maxam's maximum size isn't that big -- he just goes from a skinny guy to a big Hulk sized guy -- so if she'd just made the forcefield bigger he might have been screwed.

Maxam would be a good pickup for anyone looking for a bruiser, by the way . . . at maximum density, he can go toe-to-toe with people like Drax and Hercules. Plus, he's immune to telepathy, and completely invisible to mechanical sensors. And he has these little rockets on his boots that let him fly.


Heh I totally forgot about that, say did they every mention where he came from or what his origins where anyway? I remember he couldn't remember (that sounds odd) where he came from etc.

Didn't they say he was as strong as Drax before an adreneline rush?

[XFanTim]

It's been a while since I read it so I might be misremembering . . . I know his mission was to kill Adam Warlock, and that he was sent by the Badoon. I think he actually came from some future timeline where the Magus (Warlock's evil persona) had basically wiped the Badoon out, so they sent him to stop it from ever happening.

His strength at full density seemed to be roughly on par with Drax's base strength, but I can't remember if it was said explicitly.

[X]

His strength at full density seemed to be roughly on par with Drax's base strength, but I can't remember if it was said explicitly.

It was. :up:

Maxam, during The Infinity Crusade, in succesion took down Strong Guy with one punch, let She-Hulk punch him in the face to no effect except Jennifer hurting her self, and then he backhanded Rage and put him down without even looking back. He's pretty friggin' badass. :up: Quite capable of slugging it out with Drax for an extended peroid of time.

Only other person I've seen do the "No effect She-Hulk" punch is The Silver Surfer. :D

[AnnoyingSilence]

Hey guys are there any heroes out there (which I am sure there are) that can either

A) Augment others powers, abilities, bodies etc?

or

B) Somehow endow others with powers or abilities?


I would perfer someone on the regular level or Medium level that is able to accomplish this/these feats:D Unless that would make them an Uber :D :up:fabian cortez would be your best bet. he maybe a bad guy, but he always does whats best for himself.

he can augment to a small extent or maximize powers. he has a defensive force field and he can project a force field around someone that creates a vacuum inside of it

[Eyeballing]

fabian cortez would be your best bet. he maybe a bad guy, but he always does whats best for himself.

he can augment to a small extent or maximize powers. he has a defensive force field and he can project a force field around someone that creates a vacuum inside of it


Sweet is he a DR or a MR? or even an Med or Uber?

[AnnoyingSilence]

Mr.

[XFanTim]

In addition to augmenting powers, Cortez can push them beyond where people can control them, like when he made Bishop start firing energy blasts from all parts of his body until he was completely drained.

Although I'm not sure if he can augment non-mutant powers, or only mutants.

And yes, he's an MR.

[wiegeabo]

Well, if DC meta-humans are the 'same' as Marvel's mutants, then Cortez should be able to effect them. But he wouldn't be able to effect an alien like Superman, right?

[AnnoyingSilence]

he can only augment mutants

[wiegeabo]

Yes, I get that. But I want to know if Cortez will be limited to only Marvel universe mutants, or are DC metahumans augmentable too since many of them developed powers naturally.

[LadyVader]

Yeah, but I don't know if the meta-gene and the X-gene are the same thing. :) Or even if they work in the same way.

[The Leaguer]

I think the term "metahuman" refers to anyone with superhuman powers.

[LadyVader]

Yeah, but some of the meta-humans have powers because of a meta-gene.

[TheCorpulent1]

But metahumans are different from mutants in that they don't automatically manifest powers at puberty. Most metahumans have a dormant meta-gene that would never activate unless they were in some bizarre circumstances. I forgot what Black Canary's circumstances were, but she's an example of a metahuman. Flash, on the other hand, is not. He doesn't have a meta-gene, the chemicals and bolt of lightning just put him in tune with the Speed Force, which in turn grants him his powers.

[Nightwing.]

LadtVader your sig is sooooo funny. also does it really mater who he can control because in the dtl the rules are different for example flash can use speed force in both dc and marvel universes in the dtl whereas normally he wouldnt be able to.

[X]

LadtVader your sig is sooooo funny. also does it really mater who he can control because in the dtl the rules are different for example flash can use speed force in both dc and marvel universes in the dtl whereas normally he wouldnt be able to.

Actually. He would be able to. Heard Busiek speaking on it once. He talk about a Speed Force cocoon of sorts. I can't describe it too well. He was talking about, lets say you go over a friends house... With the ingredients for cookies. You can still make them at your friends house, they just don't simply disapear because you're in a seperate place.

Meh. Just what he said.

[Nightwing.]

Actually. He would be able to. Heard Busiek speaking on it once. He talk about a Speed Force cocoon of sorts. I can't describe it too well. He was talking about, lets say you go over a friends house... With the ingredients for cookies. You can still make them at your friends house, they just don't simply disapear because you're in a seperate place.

Meh. Just what he said.

that is probably the simplest yet best explanation ever.

i am blown away by that statement.and that helps too. cheers (b)

[X]

There ya go. :up:

[Tropico]

Metahumans and mutants are NOT the same. There have only been a couple of mutants in the DC world and are classifed as mutants since birth, like in real life. I can't remember if the current Icicle is a mutant.

[rigel7soldiers]

He was born a cryokineic, and his mother froze to death during childbirth. Also, many metas are simply brn with the metagene, which activates later in life.

[wiegeabo]

But metahumans are different from mutants in that they don't automatically manifest powers at puberty. Most metahumans have a dormant meta-gene that would never activate unless they were in some bizarre circumstances. I forgot what Black Canary's circumstances were, but she's an example of a metahuman. Flash, on the other hand, is not. He doesn't have a meta-gene, the chemicals and bolt of lightning just put him in tune with the Speed Force, which in turn grants him his powers.

Granted that Cortez may not be able to amp up the powers of metas who haven't developed any powers, but what about those metas whose gene wasn't dormant. If they have the gene, then why would Fabian's power not be able to pump up those people who have the meta gene and active powers?

[Tropico]

Because they're not mutants. If I could remember a specific DC bio where it states that the charater was BORN amutant I would. I know I've read a couple. Although people might have a dormant met-gene it doesn't mean that they WILL get powers. Nor do they activate when they reach puberty. Spider Man would probably be a meta-gene carrying hero on DC.

[XFanTim]

I think Marvel's mutants all have a specific mutant gene (the "X-gene"), that just manifests in extremely different ways. (Obviously, this isn't realistic, but what would you expect?) If someone had a mutation of a different gene, like the mutation that makes someone have a 6th finger on their hand, I doubt Cortez could affect it and cause someone to sprout a million fingers or something. So if the metagene isn't the X-gene (and there's no reason to assume it is), I don't think Cortez could effect it.

There is a DTL rule that character's powers shouldn't be prevented from working just because they're in the other universe, but I don't think that's relevant here. Cortez's powers don't work on anyone without the mutant X-gene, regardless of what universe they're from. (At least, I'm assuming that's true . . . actually, I remember him once speculating that his powers might harm or kill an ordinary human if he used them on him.)

[wiegeabo]

From what I'm getting, mutants and metas are both born with their respective power-granting gene, the only difference is that mutant powers automatically activate at puberty while meta powers are activated by some outside interaction. So while all mutants will express the mutant gene as they age, metas may go through their whole lives without any powers coming to the surface.

If it's just a matter of activation, then I don't really see the difference between the two. Cortez obviously couldn't use his powers on someone without any abilities. He couldn't amp up the powers of someone with the mutant gene before they hit puberty because they don't have any powers to amp up. Similarly, he could not effect a meta whose powers have yet to be activated. There's just nothing there to work with.

But if activiation is the only difference, then once ACTIVATED, is there a big enough difference between mutants and metas to prevent Fabian from acting on both? Or do we just say that Cortez can only use his power on marvel mutants?


Now, if metas aren't born with the meta gene, but only get the gene when whatever gives them powers gives them their powers, that is a different story. Then, they're just regular humans who've been given a power like Spider-Man (who Cortez couldn't amp up). And they would be immune to Fabian's power as well.

[XFanTim]

Now that I'm thinking about it, someone who had the power to crank everyone else's powers up to a ridiculous degree would be a kind of cool villain . . . He fights someone with super strength, and they tear their arm out of its socket when they try to throw a punch . . . He fights someone with telepathy, and they're bombarded with every memory of every person on earth and overwhelmed . . . he fights someone with regenerative abilities, and their cells start replicating out of control, like cancer. etc.

[X]

Nice. :up:

I remember you ran a few characters you created by us a while ago. Good stuff. :up:

[AnnoyingSilence]

here lets make this more simple. meta-human, mutants, two different specifications, so there must be something different there. cortez has only been seen to affect mutants, so go ahead and assume your votes away.

[Roughneck]

Cortex could only affect Mutants. But as I recall he could weaken powers as well as amping them up.

[Eyeballing]

I don't think I ever got an official ruling on Lara from DKSA, did I? If she is a DM or DU?

[Johnny Blaze]

Well, she's listed as a DU. But, that was just off your say so. I know she's the daughter of Supes and Wondy, but what are her powers?

[TheCorpulent1]

Hey, JB, you're reading Young Avengers, right? If so, I think you know what I'm curious about. If not, you should be! :mad:

[Tropico]

I don't think I've mentioned lately just how much I hate you.

It is you who should be hated for not appreciating the comedic beauty of engrish.

[Tropico]

http://www.tiptonium.com/videogames/favorites/Lair%20of%20the%20Bemani%20Bastards_files/niceness.png

That sign has gone so far beyond legibility that it's hilarious. :up:

This one is better!

http://www.tiptonium.com/videogames/favorites/Lair%20of%20the%20Bemani%20Bastards_files/spunk.png

[The Leaguer]

Corp loves spunk.

[Tropico]

http://www.tiptonium.com/videogames/favorites/Lair%20of%20the%20Bemani%20Bastards_files/terminated.png

[TheCorpulent1]

I am being misrepresented! :mad:

[The Leaguer]

I am being misrepresented! :mad:

But you said!

[TheCorpulent1]

But you said!
NOOOO!!!! YOU are an ass nine!!

[The Leaguer]

I am an ass nine!!

Yes, you are.

[Tropico]

NOOOO!!!! YOU are ass is nice!!

OMG!!!:eek:

[The Leaguer]

I always knew something was up with him...

[TheCorpulent1]

OMG!!! I just came in my pants!! :eek:See? It's not even funny when I do it. What hope does a plebeian like you have? :(

[Tropico]

See? It's not even funny when I do it. What hope does a playboy like you have? :(

At least we make the words seem similar.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Wow, I'm sure if JB was serious about suspensions this conversation would be in the Discussion Thread.

[Tropico]

It IS in the Discussion threads.
http://gr.bolt.com/chatter/mailbag/dumb.jpg

[Nightwing.]

It IS in the Discussion threads.
http://gr.bolt.com/chatter/mailbag/dumb.jpg

haha you made AS look like an ass. HAHAHA that made me laugh. jim carrey is so funny and so was AS cock up

[TheCorpulent1]

It IS in the Discussion threads.
http://gr.bolt.com/chatter/mailbag/dumb.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/TheLeaguer/Stuff/AS.jpg

Separated at birth... ? :eek:

Oh yeah, also:
Hey, JB, you're reading Young Avengers, right? If so, I think you know what I'm curious about. If not, you should be! :mad:

[AnnoyingSilence]

http://gr.bolt.com/chatter/mailbag/dumb.jpgPerfect picture for those who thought i was serious:rolleyes:

It seems as tho I'm not the only one who needs to look for the sarcasm.

[Johnny Blaze]

Hey, JB, you're reading Young Avengers, right? If so, I think you know what I'm curious about. If not, you should be! :mad:
There's quite a few things I'm curious about in YA. You'll have to be more specific.

[Harlekin]

Hehe... owned. Great work at being sarcastic too AS! :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

There's quite a few things I'm curious about in YA. You'll have to be more specific.Aw, I thought it'd be obvious given my favorite Avengers characters and a certain reappearance last issue. :) What I'm getting at is that I wonder what the new and improved Vision would be ranked.

[Johnny Blaze]

Well, since he really didn't do anything, that's hard to say.

[TheCorpulent1]

I made a list of what he and Iron Lad showed over the issues out right now, and a couple of assumptions I think are safe.

Here's what the Vision was capable of before he "died."

Vision (MM)
- density control
- quick, computer-controlled reflexes
- super "senses" (sensors that are far better than humans' eyes, ears, etc.)
- super-efficient computer brain
- flight at low density
- moderate super-strength normally, high super-strength at high density (at the expense of speed and agility)
- microwave blasts from eyes and solar jewel
- ability to interface with computer systems
- holographically change his appearance to mimic a human

Here's what Young Avengers showed.

Vision (Young Avengers) (MM?)
- density control
- quick, computer-controlled reflexes
- sensors
- super-efficient (and pretty no-nonsense in the issue) computer brain
- flight (not dependent on density anymore)
- super-strength (probably moderate, since I don't remember Kang exhibiting much super-strength with his armor)
- energy blasts (replace microwave blasts)
- ability to interface with computer systems
- minor shapeshifting (change his appearance, form spikes on his body, limited to humanoid forms)
- holographic projections (information displays)

I think he'd still be a middleweight, provided we just forget about his using Kang's time travel tech. He only really gains one distinctly useful new power from the armor, which is the limited shapeshifting. Everything else is just a modification of his former powers.

Provided he's admissable as a middleweight, I will...

Drop Jocasta (Avengers Forever) (MM) (F)
Add Vision (Young Avengers) (MM)

[Johnny Blaze]

When did the YA Vision show that he could control his density?

[TheCorpulent1]

When did the YA Vision show that he could control his density?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/thecorpulent1/viskang.jpg

It looks to me like Vision went intangible and let Kang's sword pass through him, although I admit it's not the clearest bit of storytelling on Cheung's part.

[Guyverjay]

Bleh the sword is behind him

[TheCorpulent1]

It still suggests to me that the sword passed through him. Cheung's not really one to use motion lines, but in the previous panel Kang had his back to Vision, implying that Kang must've rotated his upper body, which in turn implies (from his stance and how he's holding the sword) that he swiped at Vision. Then there's the fact that Vision himself is transparent and ethereal looking, which he's not in any of the other panels. That implies intangibility.

[Union Jack]

plus the sword is all wibbly wobbly(if thats a word!!)

[Guyverjay]

Look at his head, you can see clearly that the sword is not through him. Look at the angle of sword.

[wiegeabo]

And yet we can see it behind him. Looks intangible to me.

[Guyverjay]

He looks translucent. If he was intangible then why would the light refraction distort the sword? I'm not ruling it out but the sword is not through his head in that panel

[Nightwing.]

intangible.the guy looks like glass for christs sake.if that aint intangible then im a red arsed monkey

[Guyverjay]

Want a banana?:p

Its more than likely he is intangible though

[TheCorpulent1]

He looks translucent. If he was intangible then why would the light refraction distort the sword? I'm not ruling it out but the sword is not through his head in that panelI didn't mean to imply that it was. But the way that panel is set up, it pretty strongly indicates that the sword is not only behind the Vision's head, but that Kang took a swing at the Vision to get it there. At least to me.

[Nightwing.]

Want a banana?:p

Its more than likely he is intangible though

ok o o o monkey want nana from stupid man who looks like monkeys baboon mum

[Guyverjay]

What are you saying exactly?

A monkey has a mum which is a baboon?

I'm your mum?

Your mum is a baboon?

I look like your baboon mum?

What?:confused:

[Nightwing.]

What are you saying exactly?

A monkey has a mum which is a baboon?

I'm your mum?

Your mum is a baboon?

I look like your baboon mum?

What?:confused:

or all of the above...delete as applicable

[The Leaguer]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/thecorpulent1/viskang.jpg

It looks to me like Vision went intangible and let Kang's sword pass through him, although I admit it's not the clearest bit of storytelling on Cheung's part.

Looks intangible to me.

[X]

Same. And with The Vision, it's not exactly a ****ing coincidence. Not like a sword would be swung from Kang's current position anyhow, it's already been swung.

[Tropico]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/thecorpulent1/viskang.jpg

It looks to me like Vision went intangible and let Kang's sword pass through him, although I admit it's not the clearest bit of storytelling on Cheung's part.

If you look at the later panel when Kang gets his armor back, you'll see that the head part of the "Vision" is fading away in a sparkly effect. It could be that the head was just a projecion of the armor and not really intangability. Majority rules that it's intangability just from that panel, but there's also that other panel. The smoking head jewel make it look like the blasts did come from it, though.

You also forgot to add that the metal armor is skin like enough for young girls to wanna kiss it again.;)

[TheCorpulent1]

His head doesn't just fade away in that later panel. Kang takes the helmet, which WAS the Vision's head. Remember, the armor he gave his younger self was just another version of his own, so he basically used Iron Lad's armor (the "new Vision") to repair the damage that was done to his. You can see Kang holding the helmet in the very same panel.

[AnnoyingSilence]

When did the YA Vision show that he could control his density?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/thecorpulent1/viskang.jpg

It looks to me like Vision went intangible and let Kang's sword pass through him, although I admit it's not the clearest bit of storytelling on Cheung's part.still doesn't show density control, only that he can go intangible

[TheCorpulent1]

still doesn't show density control, only that he can go intangibleGiven that neither Kang nor Iron Lad have shown any kind of intangibility before, it's a safe assumption that Vision somehow managed to retain the normal density control he initially had.

[The Leaguer]

The traditional Vision's intangilibity IS density control.

[AnnoyingSilence]

ah yes assuming yet again:rolleyes:

[TheCorpulent1]

Everybody assumes to some extent in the DTL. What, are you new here? :confused:

[The Leaguer]

Stop assuming that we assume.

[AnnoyingSilence]

o yes corp, ofcourse, thats your whole case... besides not having proof that he does control over his density.

[TheCorpulent1]

The new Vision's turning intangible when Iron Lad and Kang have never displayed that ability with their armor. If the previous wearers of the armor have never shown that ability, the ability must have come from Vision. Vision's means of turning intangible is density control. Ergo, the new Vision must have density control. It's logical deduction.

[The Leaguer]

Refusing to assume that Vision cannot control density slams the door shut on an assload of other characters.

[AnnoyingSilence]

The new Vision's turning intangible when Iron Lad and Kang have never displayed that ability with their armor. If the previous wearers of the armor have never shown that ability, the ability must have come from Vision. Vision's means of turning intangible is density control. Ergo, the new Vision must have density control. It's logical deduction.its assumption. kitty pride goes intangible and has zero density control. shivver man, x-man, ziegeist(?)...

[TheCorpulent1]

So I'm assuming that the Vision's means of intangibility for the past 40 years has been density control?

[AnnoyingSilence]

it was proven that vision(for the last 40years) could control his density

Vision (MM)
- flight at low density

Vision (Young Avengers) (MM?)
- flight (not dependent on density anymore)its yet to be proven in the new version(I'm only using flight as the example).

[Tropico]

Intangibility=density decrease. Fact.;)

[TheCorpulent1]

it was proven that vision(for the last 40years) could control his density

its yet to be proven in the new version(I'm only using flight as the example).Now you've gone from disputing my logical deduction to spouting blatant fallacies. The new Vision was shown flying in the issue without the translucent intangibility effect. :rolleyes:

[AnnoyingSilence]

doesn't prove that they can increase thier density beyond phasing in

[AnnoyingSilence]

Now you've gone from disputing my logical deduction to spouting blatant fallacies. The new Vision was shown flying in the issue without the translucent intangibility effect. :rolleyes:it seemed relevent at the time...

[TheCorpulent1]

doesn't prove that they can increase thier density beyond phasing inIt wouldn't really matter anyway, since "normal density" for the Young Avengers Vision would be an armor that's tougher than Iron Man's. That's roughly the same as or better than diamond hardness.

[AnnoyingSilence]

if hes that durable then i'd say hes uber

still doesn't prove that he can increase his density

[TheCorpulent1]

He's shown tangibly affecting things in the comic, which means he can return from his intangible state to a tangible one. If he's tangible, at normal density he'd be as tough as the armor normally is, which, as I just said, is roughly equivalent to his max density in his previous body.

It doesn't even remotely make him uber. Wolverine's capable of standing up to as much punishment as Iron Man can in his armor and he's a REGULAR.

[AnnoyingSilence]

wolverine can't fly, shoot blasts, scan areas, bring different suits to battle, etc

[TheCorpulent1]

Bring different suits to battle? What? The Young Avengers Vision is the old Vision with like one or two new tricks and a few changes to his old ones. I don't see how that makes him uber.

Besides, Death Wolverine could apparently break through adamantium walls and he was STILL a reg.

[The Leaguer]

wolverine can't fly, shoot blasts, scan areas, bring different suits to battle, etc

He could if he wanted to. Wolverine can do anything.

[AnnoyingSilence]

...... no, your mom, now she can do anything

[The Leaguer]

What do you guys think of Starfire after the most recent Outsiders? She went all Super Saiyan on Brainiac, and she seemed to be matching Wonder Woman early on in Teen Titans. Think she's still DM or whatever she is?

[TheCorpulent1]

Middleweight still. She's basically like a female Human Torch with super-strength and durability. Human Torch is a reg despite his nova blast, so her increased physical stats would logically just push her up to middleweight, in my opinion.

[AnnoyingSilence]

What do you guys think of Starfire after the most recent Outsiders? She went all Super Saiyan on Brainiac, and she seemed to be matching Wonder Woman early on in Teen Titans. Think she's still DM or whatever she is?yea she did go SSJ didn't she... and they did comment on her holding back(much like WW has said before vs. Doomsday)

[Guyverjay]

Intangibility=density decrease. Fact.;)

Not true

Zeitgeist is out of synch with the universe and brainiac 417 doesn't actually have a physical body. There are different types of intangibility

[TheCorpulent1]

I think he meant as it pertains to Vision. Vision's intangibility has always been explained as a drastic decrease in his body's density.

[Guyverjay]

Oh okay....ignore my ramblings:(

O yeah JB how many people can I summon and in what sort of combinations?

1 uber and 1 regular

1 medium 2 reg

2 medium 1 reg


What exactly?

[Harlekin]

All of the team combinations:
Traditional:
1 DU 1 MU 1 DM 1DR 1MR
1 DU 1 MU 1 MM 1DR 1MR

Neo-style:
1 DU 1 MU 1 DM 2MR
1 DU 1 MU 1 MM 2DR

Uber-medium:
1 DU 1 MM 1 DM 1DR 1MR
1 MU 2 DM 1DR 1MR
1 DU 2 MM 1DR 1MR
1 DM 1 MU 1 MM 1DR 1MR

Ub/Med-Neo:
1 MU 2 DM 2MR
1 DU 1 MM 1 DM 2MR
1 DM 1 MU 1 MM 2DR
1 DU 2 MM 2DR

[Guyverjay]

Um how does that help me?:confused:

I have the power of summoning which means I'll have more than a team of 5

[Harlekin]

Oh, I completely and utterly misintrepeted you. Sorry about that.

[AnnoyingSilence]

I think he meant as it pertains to Vision. Vision's intangibility has always been explained as a drastic decrease in his body's density.which still doesn't prove he can increase beyond phasing in

[TheCorpulent1]

which still doesn't prove he can increase beyond phasing inYou're like a broken record and no one cares. :(

[AnnoyingSilence]

you do, thats why your a sad boy. but hey, comb your hair, laddy! Its time to meet your daddy

http://www.islandentertainmentsonline.com/acatalog/wattlewollelvis.jpg

[Nightwing.]

ATTENTION!!!!

The DTL RPG is now open

[Johnny Blaze]

You can summon 1 Uber and no other classes; 2 Mids or a Mid and 2 Regs; 4 Regs.

Yeah, that sounds good.

[Nightwing.]

Yeah, that sounds good.

JB you interested in the DTL RPG? its underway of you are.the more we get in the better the arcs we can have.for instance my team is ready to face someone if they're wanting to battle.

[rigel7soldiers]

And my team just ported onto earth, about as ready as they'll ever be.

[AnnoyingSilence]

You can summon 1 Uber and no other classes; 2 Mids or a Mid and 2 Regs; 4 Regs.

Yeah, that sounds good.so does that mean i can have
1mm 2dr and 2mr

and make the mm a mu?

[Guyverjay]

You can summon 1 Uber and no other classes; 2 Mids or a Mid and 2 Regs; 4 Regs.

Yeah, that sounds good.

Okay:up:

[Johnny Blaze]

JB you interested in the DTL RPG? its underway of you are.the more we get in the better the arcs we can have.for instance my team is ready to face someone if they're wanting to battle.
The idea has merrit, but with running the DTL, being in the DCU RPG and having two characters in the MU RPG I don't rightly have time to be jumping into anything else.

so does that mean i can have
1mm 2dr and 2mr

and make the mm a mu? No

[Nightwing.]

The idea has merrit, but with running the DTL, being in the DCU RPG and having two characters in the MU RPG I don't rightly have time to be jumping into anything else.



well put it this way. i got 2 characters in the marvel rpg 1 in the dc rpg and 1 in the star wars rpg(which is dying a slow and painful death).the dtl rpg is gonna end its season just before the dtl season 3 starts so nothing will hinder the other.as for having time.i have time and im sure others will too. go on man.theres no "lose your team if ya dont post within 2 weeks rubbish." and also if your in your own arc against say king thor you dont have to wait for other posts to progress and you can post when you feel ready to.

[Nightwing.]

is booster gold or aztecs outfits made of gold? also can magneto manipulate gold considering it isnt magnetic?

[TheCorpulent1]

I think he can manipulate just about any metal, magnetic or not. At least, he hasn't had trouble messing with any metals that I've seen other than uru.

[Nightwing.]

uru im assuming is thors hammer yes?

so if he can manipulate any metal.what about captain britains sword exalibur?or fates helmet?

[Tropico]

Booster's suit isn't made out of gold.

[Nightwing.]

what about aztecs?

[TheCorpulent1]

uru im assuming is thors hammer yes?

so if he can manipulate any metal.what about captain britains sword exalibur?or fates helmet?I think magical metals in general would be fine against him.

[rigel7soldiers]

What about Nth Metal? Or would you call that mystical?

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know. Someone with more DC experience could probably cite an instance where Dr. Polaris or somebody either could or couldn't affect Nth metal.

[Guyverjay]

Maggy can't effect Juggernauts armour

[Nightwing.]

who is stronger rhino or colossus?

[AnnoyingSilence]

colossus

[Nightwing.]

so when then have rhino at MM and colossus at MR?

[Union Jack]

hmm interesting....i would have thought colossus and rhino would both be MM

[wiegeabo]

I thought Colossus was an MR.

[AnnoyingSilence]

last i heard he was a mm

[Nightwing.]

look in character lobby and youll see jb said he was mr

[Johnny Blaze]

last i heard he was a mm
:up:

[AnnoyingSilence]

Yay! what do i win? the right to DD? plzplzplz

[Union Jack]

whats happening with jason CCs team..is he in it or can we pilfer his team?

[AnnoyingSilence]

hes still "in" it for now. even though his participation rate is at 0.0000001% and JB won't just break down and let us rip his team apart like blood thirst Jackles

[Union Jack]

damn.....why the hell JB is clinging on to him i don't know.
i want to be a jackal for crying out loud!

[AnnoyingSilence]

your british, its not in your blood to go past the tea and crumpets

[Union Jack]

ha ha ha,you guys have a funny view of british folk...for starters im from yorkshire,so i like kickass rugby league,beer and a good curry!
you guys when you think of british you all have this hugh grant image in your heads...its kinda funny.
trust me i aint no tea and crumpets type....more coffee and bacon and sausage sarnie!! :)

[AnnoyingSilence]

in a lets go play cricket kinda way

[Union Jack]

heh,no i'm not a cricket fan or tennis...heck not even football(soccer to you folk i believe)...rubby league is where its at.....wether it be here or aussie rugby..its one of the toughest sports going not like american football with all your armour on,these guys give it all with no padding!

[Union Jack]

for a start i'm a tradesman...electrician so i aint no softie office type!

[AnnoyingSilence]

i know, that is one of thee best contact sports:up:

i rather play football(not soccer) without padding anyway

[AnnoyingSilence]

for a start i'm a tradesman...electrician so i aint no softie office type!your more of a softie, i'll come to your house and cheat with your wife type.

[Union Jack]

yeah something like that...watch out if i come to work in the usa!! :D ;)

[AnnoyingSilence]

so your immigrating with NW?

[primemover]

i rather play football(not soccer) without padding anyway

Actually explains alot.

[AnnoyingSilence]

lol

[X]

You're like a broken record and no one cares. :(

So he's an old ****ty record. :up:

Come on, someone name an obscure crappy 70's band!

Booster's suit isn't made out of gold.


What are you, ****ing stupid? His name's Booster Gold. :rolleyes:

[AnnoyingSilence]

Come on, someone name an obscure crappy 70's band!Yall just pretend not to like me :cool:

[TheCorpulent1]

I looooove AS. It'd be all boring and logical around here without him.

[X]

Yeah. I prefer his Bizaroo antics which keep us on our toes. :up:

[AnnoyingSilence]

but no one gets happy never you don't do this!

[X]

.........





Bwhahhaha.

[AnnoyingSilence]

what are you laughing at:(? i'm serious:(

[TheCorpulent1]

He's probably laughing at the fact that your post is incomprehensible. Punctuation is your friend. :)

[X]

Hahaha, Corp wins the prize! :D :up:

Wish I could find that picture. :(

[AnnoyingSilence]

http://gr.bolt.com/chatter/mailbag/dumb.jpg

[X]

Your picture posting skills blow hard, AS. :o

[AnnoyingSilence]

how can you post pictures better?:rolleyes:

[X]

I post better pictures. We all do. You post ****ing Jim Carrey. Carrey's awesome, but you somehow post a picture that gives him no justice.

Shame on you.

[AnnoyingSilence]

http://gr.bolt.com/chatter/mailbag/dumb.jpgtwas not my picture, X. You might want to talk to Tropico

[X]

Nah, Trop used it in a completely different way. He had pazzaz! You got nothin'! :o

[Union Jack]

hey AS...when did nightwing say he is immigrating?

[Nightwing.]

nightwing didnt say when he was immigrating

[X]

Hhahaa, he's talking about himself in the third person! :D

[Nightwing.]

yeah i do that.

[AnnoyingSilence]

nightwing didnt say when he was immigrating:up:

[AnnoyingSilence]

Sersi, i've read everything that sites have had to say about her, none of them have gone into detail about her powers or how they work.

Shes the most powerful Eternal... Where does that put her with the rest of the Marvel Universe? Does she use Telekinesis for Transmutating or does she have the power of Transmutation? from what i got out of the "Black Knight, Exodus and Apocolypse" issue is that it takes a lot out of her to teleport..? In the Avenger's Proctor stroy line, I really didn't get a good gauge on her either.!

Corp, would you help me out with this, plz? You do seem to be the Leagues "Sersi information center"

[X]

Sersi, i've read everything that sites have had to say about her, none of them have gone into detail about her powers or how they work.

Shes the most powerful Eternal... Where does that put her with the rest of the Marvel Universe? Does she use Telekinesis for Transmutating or does she have the power of Transmutation? from what i got out of the "Black Knight, Exodus and Apocolypse" issue is that it takes a lot out of her to teleport..? In the Avenger's Proctor stroy line, I really didn't get a good gauge on her either.!

Corp, would you help me out with this, plz? You do seem to be the Leagues "Sersi information center"

Er, no. Sersei woulden't be the most powerful. Up there though.

[TheCorpulent1]

Who is the most powerful? I've tended to focus on Sersi with little regard to the other Eternals. Ikaris seemed to be very powerful after he became Prime Eternal...
Corp, would you help me out with this, plz? You do seem to be the Leagues "Sersi information center"I don't know the answers to a lot of the incredibly specific questions you're asking. I've been meaning to read more about Sersi myself for a while, since I intend to use her a lot more this season. This is a good site to get a feel for what she can do, though, courtesy of X:
http://superherochat.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=82576&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=capability&start=0

It also has a few scenes with the Black Knight being badass and whupping up on Black Widow and Captain America. Gotta respect a normal guy who can push Cap around with his skills.

[Nightwing.]

ok so id rank storm at an MM (F) what do you all think?

[Eyeballing]

Hmm I would have to say MR I mean if guys like Cyclops are being categorized as MM then I think Storm falls into that category as well

[Nightwing.]

hmmm but you have to bare in mind that storm can create mass global chaos with her abilities and she could also prevent any shazam from transforming by redirecting the lighting.she has alot of power and potential and she can also fly.im not sure on her fighting skills but the ability to control the weather is a feat in itself

[TheCorpulent1]

Storm's powers have never overridden magic as far as I know. Thor's control of the storm, for example, vastly supercedes Storm's and everyone else's except maybe Zeus'.

Given the potential amount of damage she could cause with elements of the storm if she went all out, however, I'd say she's a middleweight or pushing the very edge of the regular weight class.

[X]

Thor has been shownt o have vastly better control of the weather compared to Storm.

And Storm coulden't stop Batson's lighting. :o

[Eyeballing]

True, well then on second thought MM but why not even an Uber if she can cause Global chaos?

[TheCorpulent1]

Because she's still a normal human being who can get her ass kicked pretty easily.

[X]

Yeah, if she had "taking artillery fire without flinching" durability she'd easily be a Middleweight, but durability means a lot when it comes to ranking people.

[Nightwing.]

so is it MM or MR?

[Eyeballing]

Well I originally thought MR but then you mentioned the whole global aspect and I thought that bumped her up to MM. If she can affect the Entire Globe or even Half of it I would think MM.

[Tropico]

I'd go with MM, too.

[AnnoyingSilence]

http://superherochat.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=82576&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=capability&start=0Well, it looks like i need to read the proctor story again. alot of those examples were from it. there is one spot where it does specify her transmutation powers. And I quote:

Sersi: ... I used my Transmutation power to Psionicly change the molecular structure of our bodies into to basic inert matter...

Thanks Corp and X

[AnnoyingSilence]

ok so id rank storm at an MM (F) what do you all think?shes been labeled a medium and the weather wizard is an uber

[Harlekin]

Uhm, no he's not. Weather Wizard is an MM as well.

[AnnoyingSilence]

No, hes a Uber. he can do alot more with his power than she can. everything she does is on scale of nature(whatever she does is influenced by nature). he can make a storm in your stomach, freeze your eyeballs. storm can't do that because theres no wind there or anything to create those conditions. Wizard can using his wand to do so.

[Johnny Blaze]

Weather Wizard is a DM.

[Harlekin]

Weather Wizard is a DM.
Thank you Blaze.

[Johnny Blaze]

Ultimate Storm can create miniaturized storms in people's stomachs, so it's a safe bet the regular one can do it too.

[AnnoyingSilence]

well that sucks. i didn't pick WWizard up because he was labeled an uber in season 1. Nothing else was said about him, so i just stuck with that. I would've had him before i had MJ if i knew the change had been made. O well, I'll Take MJ over WWizard anyday

[AnnoyingSilence]

Ultimate Storm can create miniaturized storms in people's stomachs, so it's a safe bet the regular one can do it too.so that means all of thors pieces are nothing but technology now?

[X]

Ultimate Storm can create miniaturized storms in people's stomachs, so it's a safe bet the regular one can do it too.

Rain in the stomach woulden't be good either. :up:

And we've seen the 616 Storm make very tiny rainstorms over people tons of times. :up:

[Harlekin]

In your thread, the DTL Character Lobby, you listed Weather Wizard (DM). Its how I first stumbled onto him.

That's just cr-azy dude!

[primemover]

AS and his revisionist history!