Dream Team League (Discussion)

[AnnoyingSilence]

- Duplication of the ring

Weaknesses
- Yellow Weakness
- 24-hour limitYea... i don't agree at all. I need scans of proof of his unuberness

Silver Surfer
Innate/Power Cosmic abilities
- Class 100 strength (which can be upped via the Power Cosmic)
- Highly resistant to injury
- Phasing
- Molecular control
- Transmutation abilities
- Energy control

Surfboard
- Flight
- Practically indestructable
- Super-speed that can exceed the speed of light

Not only that, but the Surfer does indeed have super-speed reflexes.I'm reading SS Vol. #3 right now and i don't think he looks too uber yet. But i'm only on issue 10, so we'll see. But from whats been said in here. I need scans on him too

[AnnoyingSilence]

When Is The TRADING Block OPEN?!?!?

[primemover]

When Is The TRADING Block OPEN?!?!?

Why are you yelling (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7842025&postcount=11724)?

[primemover]

The version of Captain Marvel that i have has the experience of the Elders of the Universe(as i side note, i'm picking up Runner, who is an Elder). Each live billions of years. runner easily beat SSs' ASs and i know could himself take on thanos.

The Runner is allowed?

[AnnoyingSilence]

why wouldn't he be?!

He might be more powerful than the Surfer, but he doesn't have transmutation or anything!.. Just force beams, Speed, Reflexes, Strength, Durability and experience.... Silver Surfer Has Many Many powers at VERY high levels. Thats why he in the Too Uber discussion.

All you have to do is Hit him from a Distance(where his aura wont affect you) about 15 ft for you not to like the guy(though kicking someones butt is really fun for most DTL characters). Flash or any precog(Cosmic Spidey alone) mindlinked to your Superfast can hit him, though it will take a while to knock him out. Which I point to Thanos, Doomsday, Silver Surfer and Sersi(and Morg!) on that end!

(Like I said)Cosmic Spidey! His Charisma Power is just the opposite. He PISSES you off.

[Guyverjay]

why wouldn't he be?!

He might be more powerful than the Surfer, but he doesn't have transmutation or anything!.. Just force beams, Speed, Reflexes, Strength, Durability and experience.... Silver Surfer Has Many Many powers at VERY high levels. Thats why he in the Too Uber discussion.

All you have to do is Hit him from a Distance(where his aura wont affect you) about 15 ft for you not to like the guy(though kicking someones butt is really fun for most DTL characters). Flash or any precog(Cosmic Spidey alone) mindlinked to your Superfast can hit him, though it will take a while to knock him out. Which I point to Thanos, Doomsday, Silver Surfer and Sersi(and Morg!) on that end!

(Like I said)Cosmic Spidey! His Charisma Power is just the opposite. He PISSES you off.


So a guy that kicked surfers ass is fine and dandy but the surfer himself is too uber?:confused:

[Harlekin]

Yea... i don't agree at all. I need scans of proof of his unuberness
He is an uber, although he would be pushing the border. The things I posted are not something you can agree on or not. Kal-El's ring has the yellow weakness, and undoubtedly needs a timely charge.

I'm reading SS Vol. #3 right now and i don't think he looks too uber yet. But i'm only on issue 10, so we'll see. But from whats been said in here. I need scans on him too
I'm not debating if Surfer is tuber, but if Kal-El is tuber.

[TheCorpulent1]

If we can assume that Kal-El doesn't think that much faster than a normal human--since I've rarely seen any indication that the mainstream Superman does--I don't see a problem with the GL Kal-El. Other characters have similar powers to him and more. His speed could be enough to give him an edge on other GLs but it wouldn't be a totally lopsided fight. Granted, people tend to use super-speed to its full extent with everyone who has it in the DTL, so that might be a problem.

The Runner probably should be tuber, since the DC speedsters are all pretty high on the uber scale themselves and the Runner would easily leave all of them (except Zoom) in the dust, plus he has a lot more cosmic powers to make up for his inability to manipulate speed. But I don't want to get into a big argument over him so I'll leave it at that.

[Harlekin]

Well, in the issue he appeared in, he showed none of that faster thought process thing, and especially not when he was confronted with the anti-matter bomb. Instead of trying to cover the explosion with his ring (which he ultimately did with the help of Hal Jordan), he figured the best route would be to throw himself on the bomb.

[Nightwing.]

so whos been voted tuber? and what rules are in place?

[Nightwing.]

also is there a chance of amalgams coming back?seen as they are elseworlds and what ifs are allowed

[Harlekin]

The tuber list in the DTL Update thread should still be valid. We're still discussing Thanos, Kal-El (and Fury).

I'd rather the Amalgams not come back, myself.

[Nightwing.]

and what rules are in place?

I think thanos should be allowed without any gems.

[Harlekin]

Oh. No female limitation on the line-ups, although the might still be in effect on the roster. No universe restrictions beyond having at least 2 of either universe.

[LadyVader]

What Ifs and Elseworlds are allowed because they involve only characters from the respective companies. You'll never see a "What if a mutant was responsible for the death of Batman's parents", now are you?

[Nightwing.]

what so you dont have to have em in your line up but you have to have a female in your team?wouldnt that be a waste of a slot then?

[Harlekin]

what so you dont have to have em in your line up but you have to have a female in your team?wouldnt that be a waste of a slot then?
Yeah, pretty much. Perhaps even with a 'have to use the female at least thrice (or any number)' rule. You still need to have a female, but we're not clear on that rule yet.

[Nightwing.]

aww crap.i thought it was being abolished cos its pointless if people dont want em

[X]

If we can assume that Kal-El doesn't think that much faster than a normal human--since I've rarely seen any indication that the mainstream Superman does--I don't see a problem with the GL Kal-El. Other characters have similar powers to him and more. His speed could be enough to give him an edge on other GLs but it wouldn't be a totally lopsided fight. Granted, people tend to use super-speed to its full extent with everyone who has it in the DTL, so that might be a problem.

The Runner probably should be tuber, since the DC speedsters are all pretty high on the uber scale themselves and the Runner would easily leave all of them (except Zoom) in the dust, plus he has a lot more cosmic powers to make up for his inability to manipulate speed. But I don't want to get into a big argument over him so I'll leave it at that.

Superman does think much faster than humans, he's basically got supercharged brain processes. This has been a fact since Byrne's recreation of Superman in 86'.

Runner slapped around Thanos and The Surfer. Regardless of his array of powers, the ones he does have allow him to laugh in the face of most characters in this thing.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ok, so you're agreeing that the Runner should be too uber?
Superman does think much faster than humans, he's basically got supercharged brain processes. This has been a fact since Byrne's recreation of Superman in 86'.
Byrne's Man of Steel could arguably be out of continuity now, thanks to Birthright. Anyway, I generally tend not to count powers that would be constant--like Superman's thinking at super-speed or Thor's being super-fast--if they've only been shown doing it a few isolated times over their existence. There's usually a lot more evidence to go against their having that power--instances where using it would've gotten them out of a major dilemma, for example--than there is to support the few anomalous instances where they do. Superman very, very rarely appears to think or comprehend things any faster than a normal person.

[X]

Thor has moved at insane speeds a few times. Running across a city in a at faster than perceivable speeds, Norrin's "As fast as the lighting he commands" comments. Thor's speed is obviously superhuman, but to what extent, you're right, it's up in the air.

Superman's always thought quicker than humans. That's almost common knowledge. That's been the gist of it since a few months after he was created. I mean, Post Crisis, from saving Lori the friggin' mermaid to any number of superspeed plans he's thought up, I can give you a huge amount of scans if you want them...

[TheCorpulent1]

I can give you an equal number of scans where he's caught looking like a moron because he can't think of anything. If his mind's always working at super-speed, he should be better at everything than even Batman is. I've always thought that the comics show Superman as capable of high travel speeds and bursts of speed in combat more than a constant super-speed movement/reflex/thought deal like the Flash.

[X]

He isn't The Flash. That's not what's being argued here.

Superman being like molasses in combat is pure writer idiocy. Superman's restrained like most DC bricks because he's got uber speed to go with his top tier stats. Therefore, he's written as such.

Whenever he fights someone at superspeed, that's his mind going into overdrive. Vs. Imperiex, Lobo, Mongul...

[TheCorpulent1]

All right, fair enough. But this whole thing is about Harl's alternate-reality Green Lantern Kal-El. Harl pointed out that the evidence in the comic showed him reacting and thinking like any normal GL would, not with super-speed thought. I'm for allowing him in with the idea that he hasn't got insanely super-speed thought but maybe a-little-faster-than-human thought. Maybe he hadn't been exposed to yellow sunlight consistently enough to kick his brain into overdrive or something. A GL who can use his ring in conjunction with super-speed thought is too uber in my opinion, though.

[X]

I'm for allowing him in with the idea that he hasn't got insanely super-speed thought but maybe a-little-faster-than-human thought. Maybe he hadn't been exposed to yellow sunlight consistently enough to kick his brain into overdrive or something. A GL who can use his ring in conjunction with super-speed thought is too uber in my opinion, though.

I'd agree. He's probably not acustomed to having to use his Kryptonian powers much if at all. GL ring users really do everything but slug it out, after all.

Was he a spacefaring GL there though? If he was, he'd most definitely be exposed to yellow suns a lot.

Still might not of developed uber super speed thought processes like he'd have to if he was just Superman, but still.

[Harlekin]

Well, for fairness' sake, he is accustomed to them. This Kal-El was rocketed to OA, and the comic even opens up with him in training, using his Kryptonian powers (so he can always rely on them if the ring were to fail). The thing is, the only thing he shows as Kryptonian powers are suped up strength, speed, endurance, heat vision and enhanced eye-sight.

[AnnoyingSilence]

So a guy that kicked surfers ass is fine and dandy but the surfer himself is too uber?:confused:thats right. because he doesn't have the abundance of powers like SS

[AnnoyingSilence]

He is an uber, although he would be pushing the border. The things I posted are not something you can agree on or not. Kal-El's ring has the yellow weakness, and undoubtedly needs a timely charge.

so he not too uber, just because he has a weakness?

I'm not debating if Surfer is tuber, but if Kal-El is tuber.then why comment on that? i was making a different point or a state of opinion about what was going on... if all your talking about is Kal-el then don't waste your finger strength on ss

[AnnoyingSilence]

The Runner probably should be tuber, since the DC speedsters are all pretty high on the uber scale themselves

Obviously not since Xfan was able to dupe Zooms and Plastic Mans powers and still walk away with the win :rolleyes:

and the Runner would easily leave all of them (except Zoom) in the dust

VERY UNTRUE

plus he has a lot more cosmic powers to make up for his inability to manipulate speed. But I don't want to get into a big argument over him so I'll leave it at that.No you won't. I ****ING SWEAR!

Yall are STUPID if you think Runner is Too Uber, but SS isn't! :rolleyes:

Silver Surfer combonation of Power Levels with his number of powers are UNGODLY! Runner may be faster, stronger and more experienced, but he doesn't have nearly as much capability as Silver Surfer.

[b]ANY SPEEDSTER Would be able to OVER LAP him. Even if Runner(Like Silver Surfer) could get UP TO the speed of a DC speedster it would take a task and a half to keep up with them... PLUS YALL JUST ALLOWED THANOS! Come the **** on!

[AnnoyingSilence]

I'd rather the Amalgams not come back, myself.Xavier/Juggernaut

[AnnoyingSilence]

and to add to the Runners' defense... Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey



Do you not understand? A Cosmic Being with Actual Enhanced PreCognitive powers! Spidey could definitely give Runner a run. Same for Surfer and Thanos and MAGES!!!!!!!!!!!!

[X]

No you won't. I ****ING SWEAR!

Yall are STUPID if you think Runner is Too Uber, but SS isn't! :rolleyes:

Silver Surfer combonation of Power Levels with his number of powers are UNGODLY! Runner may be faster, stronger and more experienced, but he doesn't have nearly as much capability as Silver Surfer.

[b]ANY SPEEDSTER Would be able to OVER LAP him. Even if Runner(Like Silver Surfer) could get UP TO the speed of a DC speedster it would take a task and a half to keep up with them... PLUS YALL JUST ALLOWED THANOS! Come the **** on!

Runner's faster than any DC speedster. He covers light years like I enter other rooms.

[X]

and to add to the Runners' defense... Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey Cosmic Spidey

Do you not understand? A Cosmic Being with Actual Enhanced PreCognitive powers! Spidey could definitely give Runner a run. Same for Surfer and Thanos and MAGES!!!!!!!!!!!!

Knowing something is coming and having the actual speed to avoid are two completely different things.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Like Spidey couldn't?! I don't know what yall are thinking!

We plan for fights. they dont' JUST HAPPEN. if you plan for the runner you can definitely figure out that hes cosmic(he even states that he been compaired to SS MANY TIMES) by looking at his skin. Paragon could handle Runner from goodness sake! I think that if Silver Surfer saw it comming from the begining then he would have whooped him up.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Runner's faster than any DC speedster. He covers light years like I enter other rooms.:rolleyes: yes because youj know how he fights at light speed.... plus in the VACUUM OF SPACE... Duh.

[AnnoyingSilence]

besides, don't we go by incarnations?..... Well, obiviously Runner is under toned in this one(vol 3, SS). He may slap SS around, but like i said, it was mostly a superise

[X]

Like Spidey couldn't?! I don't know what yall are thinking!

We plan for fights. they dont' JUST HAPPEN. if you plan for the runner you can definitely figure out that hes cosmic(he even states that he been compaired to SS MANY TIMES) by looking at his skin. Paragon could handle Runner from goodness sake! I think that if Silver Surfer saw it comming from the begining then he would have whooped him up.

You're trying to underrated the characters because you want him.

No one's planning against the Runner because he's extremely obscure.

And, no, Cosmic Spidey coulden't move out of the way of The Runner's attacks.

:rolleyes: yes because youj know how he fights at light speed.... plus in the VACUUM OF SPACE... Duh.

I don't even know what the **** you're talking about yet you make it sound like it's common knowledge. :confused:

Runner vs. The SS wasn't a suprise. Norrin knew what was happening, The Runner pulled right alongside him and announced his intentions. Then he trounced Norrin, almost killing him in moments.

You also fail to mention almost every character in the DTL won't fight back against The Runner because of how his powers work, making you like him and what not.

[primemover]

Yeah, pretty much. Perhaps even with a 'have to use the female at least thrice (or any number)' rule. You still need to have a female, but we're not clear on that rule yet.

Yeah, Weig hasn't made a decision on that, I am praying he ditches that particular idea.

[primemover]

Xavier/Juggernaut

We banned characters from the Amalgam series, not amalgams in general, though I wouldn't be upset if we ditched What If's too.

[primemover]

We plan for fights. they dont' JUST HAPPEN. if you plan for the runner you can definitely figure out that hes cosmic(he even states that he been compaired to SS MANY TIMES) by looking at his skin. Paragon could handle Runner from goodness sake! I think that if Silver Surfer saw it comming from the begining then he would have whooped him up.

That'd be awesome, The Runner would come close to Paragon allowing Paragon to get his powers, which includes his aura, then they'd just hold hands and skip through meadows singing songs together.

[TheCorpulent1]

You'd love that, wouldn't you, prime? Prime is of the "Can't We All Just Get Along?" school of DTL'ing. :)
Was he a spacefaring GL there though? If he was, he'd most definitely be exposed to yellow suns a lot.
Yeah, but he would also have been exposed to lots of stars of other colors. He wouldn't have had the consistent exposure to yellow solar radiation that he would've gotten from Earth. Think about it: 30+ years of constant yellow solar bombardment would result in a higher power level than 30+ years of bouncing from solar system to solar system and absorbing all kinds of solar radiation, including red. In fact, red stars are actually a lot more numerous around the universe than yellow ones. That's why I figured he might've gained some powers but they wouldn't be up to the level an Earth-based version of Kal-El's would. I don't know, it made sense to me given what Harl said about GL Kal-El thinking at the same speed as other GLs.
yes because youj know how he fights at light speed.... plus in the VACUUM OF SPACE... Duh.
He seemed to kick Thanos' ass pretty well at light speed in the vacuum of space. :confused:

[primemover]

Kal-El with the GL ring sounds a bit like Samaritan to me, though where Samaritan would have the edge on speed and reflexes, Kal-El would have the edge in the complexity of his constructs.

I assumed he would have regular Superman powers in addition to the ring.

[wiegeabo]

I'd be willing to consider Kal-El with Supe's normal powers if they were weaker. Say half strength (maybe less since he has the ring).

[primemover]

Cool, one more trade I will be making on Monday at 12 noon pacific, Thanos and Kal-El Lantern will be MINE!!!!!!!!!

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd be willing to consider Kal-El with Supe's normal powers if they were weaker. Say half strength (maybe less since he has the ring).
That sounds about right to me. Exposure to lots of different suns would've probably evened his powers out somewhere lower than an Earth-based Kal-El's, and I guess halfway is as good as any estimation.

What color sun does Oa orbit, anyway?

[X]

Cool, one more trade I will be making on Monday at 12 noon pacific, Thanos and Kal-El Lantern will be MINE!!!!!!!!!

Are you seriously going to be a whore over that? :o

That'd be awesome, The Runner would come close to Paragon allowing Paragon to get his powers, which includes his aura, then they'd just hold hands and skip through meadows singing songs together.

Bwhahahahhahah. :D :up:

And good observations on Superman not being as powerful as he normally would. I agree just about completely.

[TheCorpulent1]

Anybody else notice how fun it is to say "GL Kal-El"? Gee-el Kal-El, gee-el Kal-El, gee-el... I'll stop now. :(

[primemover]

Are you seriously going to be a whore over that? :o
Is that your 'O' face? :D

No

[X]

Anybody else notice how fun it is to say "GL Kal-El"? Gee-el Kal-El, gee-el Kal-El, gee-el... I'll stop now. :(

That's probably a good idea. :( :up:

:D ;)

And thank god, Prime. You hoe. :D

[primemover]

So, came across something interesting, Doc Savage has been published both under Marvel and DC Comics, so which would he fall under, or could you just choose one?

[primemover]

And thank god, Prime. You hoe. :D


But you know others are plotting to steal Thanos from you, those BASTARDS!

[X]

Whoever he was published under first. :mad:

I'd imagine you could use either one. Incarnations would differ slightly, yes?

[TheCorpulent1]

So, came across something interesting, Doc Savage has been published both under Marvel and DC Comics, so which would he fall under, or could you just choose one?
Neither. Being published by both companies automatically makes him too uber. :o

[primemover]

Whoever he was published under first. :mad:

I'd imagine you could use either one. Incarnations would differ slightly, yes?

Don't know if the incarnations differ, just noticed on Mile High Comics he was published under both, Marvel before DC, but other companies like Gold Key before that.

[primemover]

Neither. Being published by both companies automatically makes him too uber. :o

Thor's appeared in DC Comics, so now he's a tuber! :o

[X]

Thor's appeared in DC Comics, so now he's a tuber! :o

Completely different Thor. :confused:

You know, there's a Clark Kent in the MU...

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, prime, don't you know anything? :o

If all else fails, you could try to pick up Axel Brass from Wildstorm/DC. He's basically the same as Doc Savage, plus he'd have lots of WSU knowledge.

[wiegeabo]

That sounds about right to me. Exposure to lots of different suns would've probably evened his powers out somewhere lower than an Earth-based Kal-El's, and I guess halfway is as good as any estimation.

What color sun does Oa orbit, anyway?


Right now, it looks like a yellow sun. But before Kyle rebuilt the planet, I don't think it had one. Oa was at the center of the universe.

[TheCorpulent1]

Doesn't mean it couldn't have a sun. Oa could be the one planet that's actually geocentric planet in the entire universe, meaning its sun rotates around it rather than the other way around.

[AnnoyingSilence]

He seemed to kick Thanos' ass pretty well at light speed in the vacuum of space. :confused:Yall act like just because The Runner can whoop thier butts that hes too uber.

Just because he can man-handle them in a hand-to-hand, doesn't mean he is.

I bet anything that Doomsday could take any of the three on and come out on top... In a different perspective you have a Regular(Turtle) who can absorb all motion within a quater to a half mile around(Diameter) him, making Runners' durability to deal with, but with a good mage you can do ANYTHING... Just about anyone in here can do a write-up that would legitamently take down Runner., Yes he is very formitable(thats why i want him), but he(compaired to the versitility of MANY Ubers in the DTL(Mainly Surfer, Doomsday And the SUPER MAGES)) IMO is still under the bar(probly with UJ).

And about him taking on Thanos and SS.... What is it yall say?... Jobber?

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm still convinced the Runner is too uber. If he could do half the stuff he can at the speeds he can do everything, I'd still think he was too uber. There's really no way to work around a guy with an unlimited power source who can move, think, perceive, and react at faster-than-light speeds. Not even DC speedsters could steal his speed because he's got the Power Primordial backing him up, and if they tried they'd probably speed up so drastically that they'd pop right into the Speed Force. On top of that he's got energy manipulation and super-strength on the Surfer's level. I don't see how it's even a question that he's too uber.

[primemover]

Completely different Thor. :confused:

Bah, details!

[primemover]

Yall act like just because The Runner can whoop thier butts that hes too uber.

Yep, a guy who can whoop butt on characters considered to be 'right under' the tuber bar will, and always be considered a tuber. It couldn't be much simpler than that.

[X]

I'm still convinced the Runner is too uber. If he could do half the stuff he can at the speeds he can do everything, I'd still think he was too uber. There's really no way to work around a guy with an unlimited power source who can move, think, perceive, and react at faster-than-light speeds. Not even DC speedsters could steal his speed because he's got the Power Primordial backing him up, and if they tried they'd probably speed up so drastically that they'd pop right into the Speed Force. On top of that he's got energy manipulation and super-strength on the Surfer's level. I don't see how it's even a question that he's too uber.

I woulden't mind if someone was Runner quick with moderately powerful punches... But The Runner lays out Thanos and The Surfer. He casually threatened to beat the living **** out of The Champion once. And he could do that. Easily.

Basically the most powerful Elder we've seen, which is impressive considering the Obliterator can stalemate Norrin...

Oh yeah, Runner kicked the **** out of The Collector too, who's no slouch himself.

[AnnoyingSilence]

I'm still convinced the Runner is too uber. If he could do half the stuff he can at the speeds he can do everything, I'd still think he was too uber. There's really no way to work around a guy with an unlimited power source who can move, think, perceive, and react at faster-than-light speeds(See, now your talking about Silver Surfer). Not even DC speedsters could steal his speed because he's got the Power Primordial backing him up, and if they tried they'd probably speed up so drastically that they'd pop right into the Speed Force. On top of that he's got energy manipulation and super-strength on the Surfer's level. I don't see how it's even a question that he's too uber.above Surfer's level, but he can phase, transmute or a whole is of other thing that the Surfer CAN.... Like i said, hes stronger, faster and has more experience, but hes still no where near as versitile as many characters in the DTL, hes just raw power. Like Doomsday, but DD can adapt. Like Thanos, but without the super shields and scientific super-mind. Like Surfer, but minus 5 plus power feats.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Yep, a guy who can whoop butt on characters considered to be 'right under' the tuber bar will, and always be considered a tuber. It couldn't be much simpler than that.actually its a lot more complicated, but you can believe what you will.

[AnnoyingSilence]

I woulden't mind if someone was Runner quick with moderately powerful punches... But The Runner lays out Thanos and The Surfer. He casually threatened to beat the living **** out of The Champion once. And he could do that. Easily.

The Champion was EASILY beaten by Surfer as well(like 2 or three frames)

Basically the most powerful Elder we've seen, which is impressive considering the Obliterator can stalemate Norrin...

that last statement was strictly sarcasm, people

Oh yeah, Runner kicked the **** out of The Collector too, who's no slouch himself.thats because he taps into the same source as The Runner(but i couldn't tell you if he can do more or not, do to lack of Collector knowledge)

[X]

Took Norrin a good longed time to beat The Champion, and all he did was down in for a few moments. Not a KO, total victory.

Obviously you've never read the comic, so I don't know why you're making assumption, trying to pass them off as facts.

Power source has nothing to do with it. Another halfassed assumption. :o

[Harlekin]

Okay on GL Kal-El:
- OA has a yellow sun, at least, it was indicated by the fact that Kal-El at least had Kryptonian powers. I'm not sure he made trips all that often, but it's not unfathomable.
- We could simply limit him to the powers he has shown:
-> Super-strength
-> Super-speed
-> Super-endurance
-> Heat-vision
-> Enhanced sight
- Half-way to three-quarters of the current Supes would even it out, I think, yeah.
- And like hell I'll let anyone take him.

Oh, and AS, since you obviously didn't get it, I was comparing him to the Surfer because at the moment he personifies the just-below-tuber-bar. Not rocket science.

[TheCorpulent1]

above Surfer's level, but he can phase, transmute or a whole is of other thing that the Surfer CAN.... Like i said, hes stronger, faster and has more experience, but hes still no where near as versitile as many characters in the DTL, hes just raw power. Like Doomsday, but DD can adapt. Like Thanos, but without the super shields and scientific super-mind. Like Surfer, but minus 5 plus power feats.
Despero doesn't have nearly as many powers as the Surfer or Thanos, but he's still too uber because the ones he does have are at levels way beyond what any of the legal ubers in the DTL can handle. Same thing for the Runner. Why would he need to transmute anything or have crazy defenses when he could literally kill any legal uber in the DTL before they can even comprehend his presence?

[AnnoyingSilence]

if runner ain't allowed, then how is surfer? Just got through with SS vs. EGO

silver surfer can do WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY more than Runner. Does Runner have the power cosmic?

[AnnoyingSilence]

The Runner (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/badass%20pick%20ups/RunnerIntroduction.jpg). Charisma and Speed (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/badass%20pick%20ups/SpeedandPower.jpg). Experience (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/badass%20pick%20ups/Experience.jpg). Power Level (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/badass%20pick%20ups/MorePowerfulThanS.jpg)

[AnnoyingSilence]

thats exactly what he is.

he has no cosmic powers... Including awarness.

[Guyverjay]

You're reeeeaaalllllly not helping your case:o

I have a better character than the runner anyway that you could have AND he's not tuber

[primemover]

silver surfer can do WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY more than Runner. Does Runner have the power cosmic?

He has the Power Primordial, which trumps the Power Cosmic, like totally!

You scans show exactly why he shouldn't be allowed in the DTL, and again you are getting stuck on the idea that having more powers somehow trumps The Runner's few tuber level powers.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Yea well... The Runner Should be ALLOWED. SURFER IS., Damn It.:mad:

Friggin Thanos is back! But The Runner isn't Allowed?! :rolleyes:
:daredevil
Con :daredevil
Spir :daredevil
Acy :daredevil
:daredevil

If my FRIGGIN SCANNER didn't get "took", I could scan some SS and be done with the little cheater(like Zietgeist(who i will always vote against)).

[AnnoyingSilence]

What a rip... F.b.s.

[AnnoyingSilence]

The only thing Silver has to do is recharge when almost dead.

[Guyverjay]

He has the Power Primordial, which trumps the Power Cosmic, like totally!
.


Disagree with that completely...


AS do you ever stop moaning? and do you ever use the edit button?

Plus I can't believe you'll ALWAYS vote against a team with Zeitgiest in it, thats utterly ridiculous

[primemover]

Disagree with that completely...

You disagree with my sarcasm?

[Guyverjay]

I disgree that the power primordial trumps the power cosmic.

[primemover]

Yeah, and that statement was, 'like totally', sarcastic.

So what is this character that is better than The Runner, but not a tuber?

[AnnoyingSilence]

AS do you ever stop moaning?Not when i'm being wronged

[Guyverjay]

Meh I may rejoin the DTL so I'll be keeping that to myself for now (pointless of me mentioning it really)

[X]

Love to see you back, Guyver. With all of the improvements coming soon, among other things, this is probably going to be the best season of the DTL we've ever had.

Oh, by the way... Did the talks of us getting more characters ever end? I think it was a question or whether we were going to boost or rosters up to 12 or not...

[Union Jack]

really...up to 12..i'd be up for that,but i also think that the female rule should be dropped totally,if you want a female in there then fine but you shouldnt be forced to...might as well be forced to have a black guy or a gay guy!!

[X]

Oh, another suggestion that I had rolling around in my head a while back...

Giving us more time to do our write ups. I just don't think it's even remotely realistic to expect the good majority of us to be able to put up our best with the time we're given.

Remember how we were talking about not knowing the other persons line-up? Well, I'm all for that. We should both send our line-ups to the commish by a certain date, and then have a few days to mull over things and to write. Then the time to put them up should come, the threads can be made, we can have a few more days if we haven't finished... Basically, two days or so before the actual threads are made, we begin to write.

I know I could come up with material that's leagues better than what I've been doing... And really, are we in a rush to finish everything or what?

[wiegeabo]

...might as well be forced to have a black guy or a gay guy!!

Hmmm, I'll have to consider that.

:p


Really, though, since trading opens tomorrow, I'll make some decisions:

Thanos and Green Lantern (Kal-El) are back in. Just know that if you abuse their powers you could lose votes (of course that goes for all characters just below the tuber bar, so it shouldn't be much of a surprise).

I'll drop the female rule completely. We'll just see how it goes.


I've gotten a couple of PM's for ideas. Here's a list of what I'm considering, and what I'd like to see more discussion on.

Ideas I'm considering:
Blind team submissions. You pm your lineup to me, and you find out your opponents when the battle threads are made.

Theme weeks randomly scattered throughout the season (maybe a quarter of the matches). Themes I like are Full Disclosure (you get to know everything about the other team), Ambush (pick opponents lineup), No Uber (only regs and meds allowed).


Pm'd ideas to discuss:
Home Field advantage.
Swap tokens (limited number of times a season, owner can swap one character after blind lineups posted).
12 matches over 24 weeks to increase writeup time.
No more facing divison teams twice during season
Scaled voting (you have 10 votes to give to each match rather then strictly win-lose voting).
Specific trading times/limits.
Additional themes.
Bring back Amalgam's (wouldn't necessarily count against other characters)



Anything I missed?

[The Leaguer]

By "random," do you mean owners won't know until the week arrives? If so, good. That's what appeals most to me about theme weeks.

[wiegeabo]

Yeah, no one, including me, would no what week a theme would appear, or what the theme would be.

[The Leaguer]

How will they be decided, then?

[X]

Well, what I just brought up is right in line with one of the PM'ed ideas... More time for our write-ups. Like I said, I don't feel like I've been able to put out my best material. Hell, look at our finals... Both struggled to get their write-ups in, but when they did, some of the best stuff we've ever had in the DTL. Time constraints that we currently have just aren't working.

Blind team submissions is the very best new thing we could implement into the DTL as far as I'm concerned. Having a well rounded team would be that much more important, as would be the tactical ability of your team.

Theme weeks are also a must in my opinion. We need as much variety to keep us going week to week as we can get.

I say bring back the Amalgam's. I don't intend to use any of them, but I don't see the reason to cut out legitimate characters are are mostly just as well defined as some of the more obscure characters we currently have in this thing.

How exactly would Scaled voting work? Would we basically be rating the quality of the write-ups, and then the person with the higher total quality rating would win? That sounds promising...

[wiegeabo]

How will they be decided, then?

I could write a couple of programs. One would determine which weeks are themed, and what theme applies. The other I would run each week, and it would check the file to see if that week had a theme or not.


Well, what I just brought up is right in line with one of the PM'ed ideas... More time for our write-ups. Like I said, I don't feel like I've been able to put out my best material. Hell, look at our finals... Both struggled to get their write-ups in, but when they did, some of the best stuff we've ever had in the DTL. Time constraints that we currently have just aren't working.

Blind team submissions is the very best new thing we could implement into the DTL as far as I'm concerned. Having a well rounded team would be that much more important, as would be the tactical ability of your team.

Theme weeks are also a must in my opinion. We need as much variety to keep us going week to week as we can get.

I say bring back the Amalgam's. I don't intend to use any of them, but I don't see the reason to cut out legitimate characters are are mostly just as well defined as some of the more obscure characters we currently have in this thing.

How exactly would Scaled voting work? Would we basically be rating the quality of the write-ups, and then the person with the higher total quality rating would win? That sounds promising...


The problem with taking two weeks with write ups is that a single season would take more than 6 months. And having say 10 days for writeups means due dates would always be changing and be very confusing. I'm thinking battles up on Thursday, due Sunday, voting ends Tuesday. Wednesday's would be a day off and when lineups are due. We'd get an extra day that way. (Maybe take more time for playoffs.)


I was thinking that if Amalgam's are back they wouldn't count against their component characters. Before, if someone had DarkClaw, only one other Logan or Bruce Wayne was allowed. This time there could still be two Logan's and Waynes since Darkclaw would be considered his own separate character in a different universe.


In normal voting you give your single vote to one team in a match. In scaled voting, you'd rate teams in a match by dividing say 10 (or 5 or whatever) votes between them. If you though one team really won the match, you might give them 8 votes, the other side only 2. If you though one just squeeked by, you might give them 6 versus 4 votes. The one with the most votes wins. (If nothing else, this let's people whoose writeup would normally get shutout that their work was good and the other team only squeaked by).

[TheCorpulent1]

I like/agree with these:
Blind team submissions. You pm your lineup to me, and you find out your opponents when the battle threads are made.

Theme weeks randomly scattered throughout the season (maybe a quarter of the matches). Themes I like are Full Disclosure (you get to know everything about the other team), Ambush (pick opponents lineup), No Uber (only regs and meds allowed).


Pm'd ideas to discuss:
Home Field advantage.
12 matches over 24 weeks to increase writeup time.
No more facing divison teams twice during season
Additional themes.
Scaled voting (you have 10 votes to give to each match rather then strictly win-lose voting).

I don't like these:
Swap tokens (limited number of times a season, owner can swap one character after blind lineups posted).
Specific trading times/limits.

I get the scaled voting now, thanks to wieg's explanation up there. Sounds nifty. :up:

I don't really care either way about Amalgams. If people want them in, let them in with the understanding that they would only have knowledge of other Amalgams (I.E. treat them like a different publisher's teams altogether, since the reduced publisher restrictions negate the publisher problems they used to have). Doesn't make much difference to me.

[X]

The problem with taking two weeks with write ups is that a single season would take more than 6 months. And having say 10 days for writeups means due dates would always be changing and be very confusing. I'm thinking battles up on Thursday, due Sunday, voting ends Tuesday. Wednesday's would be a day off and when lineups are due. We'd get an extra day that way. (Maybe take more time for playoffs.)

In normal voting you give your single vote to one team in a match. In scaled voting, you'd rate teams in a match by dividing say 10 (or 5 or whatever) votes between them. If you though one team really won the match, you might give them 8 votes, the other side only 2. If you though one just squeeked by, you might give them 6 versus 4 votes. The one with the most votes wins. (If nothing else, this let's people whoose writeup would normally get shutout that their work was good and the other team only squeaked by).

The scaled voting method sounds uber badass. It'll inspire people to work a bit harder, I think, with the knowledge that most matches will be very close and a few clever, well thought ideas can go much longer.

And an extra day or two is all I want, personally. Your extra day idea sounds fine.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Silver Surfer's thoughts while getting his arse kicked by ego:

They have the advantage- this is their natural element-- but i draw the power cosmic from the omnipresent radiance of interstellar space-- and even here, in planetary darkness, the cosmic and other high-level rays penetrate to my silver skin!
(recharge)
evn here i am the silver surfer!

not his first time doing that, in the middle of battle...

[TheCorpulent1]

What, absorbing cosmic energy to power himself up? He's constantly doing that, isn't he?

[X]

What, absorbing cosmic energy to power himself up? He's constantly doing that, isn't he?

Yup. Even when he's not trying to do. That's how his metabolism works.

[Harlekin]

Thanos and Green Lantern (Kal-El) are back in. Just know that if you abuse their powers you could lose votes (of course that goes for all characters just below the tuber bar, so it shouldn't be much of a surprise).
Thank you. What about the Fury though? I also mentioned him but nobody ever debated him and with the current uber bar, I'd put him somewhere around the middle.

Blind team submissions. You pm your lineup to me, and you find out your opponents when the battle threads are made.
That's fine with me. Keeps a little suspense going.

Theme weeks randomly scattered throughout the season (maybe a quarter of the matches). Themes I like are Full Disclosure (you get to know everything about the other team), Ambush (pick opponents lineup), No Uber (only regs and meds allowed).
I've been for this since the second season.

Home Field advantage.
Go for it, IMO.

Swap tokens (limited number of times a season, owner can swap one character after blind lineups posted).
:up:

No more facing divison teams twice during season
Why not? I like the revenge factor of it.

Scaled voting (you have 10 votes to give to each match rather then strictly win-lose voting).
Very cool idea.

Specific trading times/limits.
:up:

Bring back Amalgam's (wouldn't necessarily count against other characters)
I'm fine with it in principle, but they're kind of meh...

As for increasing time for the write-ups, I think we should stick with what Wieg proposed in one of his posts. Up Thursday, due Sunday, voting ends Tuesday. I think two weeks is a too much.

[wiegeabo]

As for my opinions:

I'm liking blind lineups.

Theme weeks are sounding good.

I'm not into home field advantage, I like a new location every week.

I'm on the fence with swap tokens. Might be worth trying for a few weeks just to see if it flows.

Schedule wise I'm thinking you face those in your divison twice, those in the other division of your conference once, and no interconference matches (except championship and all-star).

Scaled voting I'm leaning towards. Still iffy.

I like open trading rather than times/limits.

I wouldn't mind seeing Amalgam's back.


And I think I'll go ahead and give us that extra day. So battles will start Thursday, be due Sunday, voting ends Tuesday. Lineups due Wednesday by midnight (pacific time).

[primemover]

I've gotten a couple of PM's for ideas. Here's a list of what I'm considering, and what I'd like to see more discussion on.

Ideas I'm considering:
Blind team submissions. You pm your lineup to me, and you find out your opponents when the battle threads are made.

Theme weeks randomly scattered throughout the season (maybe a quarter of the matches). Themes I like are Full Disclosure (you get to know everything about the other team), Ambush (pick opponents lineup), No Uber (only regs and meds allowed).


Pm'd ideas to discuss:
Home Field advantage.
Swap tokens (limited number of times a season, owner can swap one character after blind lineups posted).
12 matches over 24 weeks to increase writeup time.
No more facing divison teams twice during season
Scaled voting (you have 10 votes to give to each match rather then strictly win-lose voting).
Specific trading times/limits.
Additional themes.
Bring back Amalgam's (wouldn't necessarily count against other characters)

Anything I missed?

Since all but the Amalgam idea were part of my PM, it'll be obvious I approve of all except for the Amalgam deal, I really don't want to see them return.

The other Theme Weeks I submitted were Surprise Week(not knowing your opponent), No Universe Restriction Week(play with all Marvel if you want), and God Week(pick a random team's line-up), listed in the hopes they'd be reconsidered.

Even though I am mostly against any Theme Week that alters something other than line-up creation, I thought I'd mention another that is based on an idea of Tim's, and something that me and Corp bandied about the other day, Damage Control Week. The idea is that you work for some Gov't, or publically known agency and for public relations reasons, you must not kill or cause collateral damage.

Good to see you guys open to the voting idea, though I think the dividing 10 points is a bit convoluted. My PM'd idea was to just rate each story out of 10, 10 being highest, then add up those scores to decide the winner, that would be much simpler, as there might be a few people in the DTL who can't add to 10 and will screw up the voting! :D

Also, one of the major reasons for the 'out of 10 points' voting was to give the owner information on the quality of his/her write-up, so if both stories are wretched, one might win by a vote of 3 to 2, but if you forced 10 points usage that score would be 6 to 4, which means the story was twice as good as it really is, which would kind of defeat that purpose.

One other thing, with either voting system, we might need a guard against ties, like not allowing tie votes at all.

Weig, if you aren't open to stretching out the season, maybe we can at least move up the deadline for line-up submissions and line-up result posts to at least Tuesday afternoon, to give as much time for reasearch and preperation.

Harlekin, the idea with not facing your division rivals twice, is it takes away from your chance in going against other DTL members, and I'd like to get the chance to face as many DTL members in the season as possible.

[primemover]

Swap tokens are just in case somebody gets completely boned by either the blind line-up submissions, or one of the Theme Weeks, they at least have a chance to better their chances. I would say to give each team no more than two tokens.

[Harlekin]

Eh, I like the idea of a few set rematches.

As for the Home Field thing, Wieg, you'd be facing a new location at least half of the time. Unless two people use the same home-field.

I've got a question concerning that anyway, would the Tower of Fate be allowed as home-field if you have Doc Fate? :D

[AnnoyingSilence]

Yup. Even when he's not trying to do. That's how his metabolism works.... if Surfer can do all these things(Way more tricks then The Runner), How is he not Too Uber and Runner is?

[primemover]

Eh, I like the idea of a few set rematches.

As for the Home Field thing, Wieg, you'd be facing a new location at least half of the time. Unless two people use the same home-field.

I've got a question concerning that anyway, would the Tower of Fate be allowed as home-field if you have Doc Fate? :D

Yeah, we'd have to definately really look at the Home Field selections to make sure they don't upset the balance. Also, the Home Field would be chosen like a character, like your 11th roster spot, so we can just say that once a Home Field is taken by one team, no other team can take it, unless that team trades for another Home Field.

If we did go with the Home Field idea we might want to select a few weeks, maybe the interconference matches, that are the more traditional DTL wide battlegrounds, whereas the rest would be with the Home Fields.

[primemover]

... if Surfer can do all these things(Way more tricks then The Runner), How is he not Too Uber and Runner is?

The amount of powers doesn't matter, it's as to what levels those powers are. Even though The Runner has less powers, the powers he has are enough to take out the Surfer without much effort(as provided by your scans)

[AnnoyingSilence]

I'm not into home field advantage, I like a new location every week.the home team(pointed out by the team named first in the battle thread) could pick the map(doesn't have to be doesn't have to be the same one everytime) of wherever they want(has to be different everytime(doubles are ok(not in a row)) to go.

[primemover]

the home team(pointed out by the team named first in the battle thread) could pick the map(doesn't have to be doesn't have to be the same one everytime) of wherever they want(has to be different everytime(doubles are ok(not in a row)) to go.

This is a good alternate to the Home Field idea, though this could be done in the same way if you allow a team to trade it's Home Field whenever they want. I would still wish it to be limited to trading blocks.

[AnnoyingSilence]

why own a home field, when all your doing is changing it every week? We'll just pick the map weekly as we choose our teams.

[AnnoyingSilence]

The amount of powers doesn't matter, it's as to what levels those powers are. Even though The Runner has less powers, the powers he has are enough to take out the Surfer without much effort(as provided by your scans)With all the things Silver Surfer can do, plus Fernus or Dr. Fate or Paragon or anyother super DCU. I'm sure yall could find a way to take me out. Thier are a ton of combonations out there! You can see one on everyteam(and thats just with the ubers). Then you factor in a medium and 2 regs or 3 regs(who them themselves are NOT slouchs). The right combination of 2 regs can take down a good uber or a medium and then move on.

The number of powers a character has IS a factor. Any team can easily have a telepath or just plan out fight him. They know thier going to a war, so even if our characters like each other, they'd still fight for the competition(so the his aura doesn't matter). But when you get down to averavging stuff out. The Runner only has 4 abilities. 3 of them are stronger than Silver Surfer's own(Durability isn't(I say that because Silver is suppose to be literally indestructable, Runner has yet to be described as so)).

Heres a list

JB - Cosmic Spidey and Savitar
Xfan - Anti Fate and Dr. Strange/ManThing
Leaguer - Silver Surfer and Mordru
Wea - Exodus and Kyle Rayner
Me - Captain Marvel and Misty
Prime - Supernalia and The Samaritan
Roughneck - Kilo Wogg and Magneto
LadyVader - ... Well you suck
Corp - Sersi and Captain Atom(or Walter West)
Harky - Dr. Fate and Cosmic Spidey
Punisher - Vartox and Beta
UJ - Dr. Fate and Gladiator
X - Solar and Superman
Trop - Karnilla and Mary

Then, you don't know whos getting Superman(GL) or Thanos. I mean, Thats a power up!

Runner is not Too Uber. Exspecially in compairison to Silver Surfer. Runner is not indestructable. Silver Surfer is.

[primemover]

why own a home field, when all your doing is changing it every week? We'll just pick the map weekly as we choose our teams.

Owning a home field would give teams a bit of an identity, which I think would be neat, so if we did allow trading of Home Fields, it'd only be a few times in a season.

[AnnoyingSilence]

I'll be here to pick my team up. I have my trade for Runner in the post(and if he isn't excepted then I have other options.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Owning a home field would give teams a bit of an identity, which I think would be neat, so if we did allow trading of Home Fields, it'd only be a few times in a season.Thats been the plan all along... Just like how i always meet at Forges Laboratory before i go to battle...

[primemover]

Several tubers listed on the DTL Update thread have much less powers than many of our legal ubers, mediums and even a few regulars, yet that doesn't make them less tuber.

[primemover]

Thats been the plan all along... Just like how i always meet at Forges Laboratory before i go to battle...

Prep-Time is something completely different.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Several tubers listed on the DTL Update thread have much less powers than many of our legal ubers, mediums and even a few regulars, yet that doesn't make them less tuber.ITS NOT JUST THE QUANTITY OF POWERS THAT I"M TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and i do not see one character that i wouldn't say isn't too uber on the too uber list. And I EXSPECIAL call any of them Med or REG either.

[TheCorpulent1]

With all the things Silver Surfer can do, plus Fernus or Dr. Fate or Paragon or anyother super DCU. I'm sure yall could find a way to take me out. Thier are a ton of combonations out there! You can see one on everyteam(and thats just with the ubers). Then you factor in a medium and 2 regs or 3 regs(who them themselves are NOT slouchs). The right combination of 2 regs can take down a good uber or a medium and then move on.

The number of powers a character has IS a factor. Any team can easily have a telepath or just plan out fight him. They know thier going to a war, so even if our characters like each other, they'd still fight for the competition(so the his aura doesn't matter). But when you get down to averavging stuff out. The Runner only has 4 abilities. 3 of them are stronger than Silver Surfer's own(Durability isn't(I say that because Silver is suppose to be literally indestructable, Runner has yet to be described as so)).

Heres a list

JB - Cosmic Spidey and Savitar
Xfan - Anti Fate and Dr. Strange/ManThing
Leaguer - Silver Surfer and Mordru
Wea - Exodus and Kyle Rayner
Me - Captain Marvel and Misty
Prime - Supernalia and The Samaritan
Roughneck - Kilo Wogg and Magneto
LadyVader - ... Well you suck
Corp - Sersi and Captain Atom(or Walter West)
Harky - Dr. Fate and Cosmic Spidey
Punisher - Vartox and Beta
UJ - Dr. Fate and Gladiator
X - Solar and Superman
Trop - Karnilla and Mary

Then, you don't know whos getting Superman(GL) or Thanos. I mean, Thats a power up!

Runner is not Too Uber. Exspecially in compairison to Silver Surfer. Runner is not indestructable. Silver Surfer is.
Telepathy generally tends not to be very effective against cosmic-powered people. Plus, every single team guards against it in pretty much every match these days, so it's not really a weakness anymore, is it?

The Silver Surfer's destructibility or indestructibility doesn't really matter. Whether his body dies or not, he can still be knocked out like any other uber. Also, if you're just guessing the Runner isn't as durable as the Surfer based solely on the fact that the Surfer has shown himself to be more durable in the comics, consider that the Surfer has about 1000 times as many appearances as the Runner. Also, remember that the Marvel universe doesn't have anything like the Speed Force to protect people from the effects of high-speed travel--Quicksilver and Northstar have mild super-strength and durability and other physical mutations to do that, for example. That means that the Runner must logically be very durable because of the speeds at which he routinely travels. There's no air resistance or friction in space, but at the Runner's speeds there are still relativistic forces that would tear anything other than a very highly durable body apart. Besides which, the Runner and all the other Elders of the Universe are immortal thanks to the Grandmaster's machinations. Also, the Marvel appendix (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/runnerelder.htm), which is considered pretty reliable, lists him as "physically indestructible."

Explain to me how you "outfight" someone who is literally faster than thought. I don't think you get the implications of the fact that the Runner can do everything at faster-than-light speeds. It doesn't really matter how many other powers he has, even mild super-strength combined with FTL movement and perception means that he could literally take out anyone's entire team before they could possibly react or even perceive his presence. You can't even say that'd be out of character for him, either, because that's actually how he fights in the comics; just look at his ridiculously one-sided "fight" against Thanos. He blasted out of nowhere, destroyed Thanos' chair, and ****ed Thanos up before Thanos could do anything, and Thanos himself is under the too uber bar by just the tiniest hair. With DC speedsters you could counter them with other speedsters or drain their speed, but neither of those would work against the Runner because he's a lot faster than even the fastest speedster and he's connected to the limitless Power Primordial--however much speed a speedster drains, the Runner will still be able to draw on more, and eventually the speedster would just get shunted into the Speed Force anyway. There's literally no way to defend against the Runner except maybe telepathy, and that's too easily protected against to be effective.

[Union Jack]

well for me the rules and stuff i'd like like to see are..

1/amalgams returning(i like darkclaw!)
2/female rule gone.
3/themed weeks.
4/marvel/DC rule gone(have an all marvel or DC team if wanted)
5/extended times for write ups.
6/specific trading times..basically pick your team and then only able to change the team so many times a season.
7/blind team submissions.
8/12 characters per team.


and also nightwing is in favour of these rules aswell as he is sat next to me as i write this!!

[The Leaguer]

LadyVader - ... Well you suck
Heh. :D

[Johnny Blaze]

Hmmm, I'll have to consider that.

:p


Really, though, since trading opens tomorrow, I'll make some decisions:

Thanos and Green Lantern (Kal-El) are back in. Just know that if you abuse their powers you could lose votes (of course that goes for all characters just below the tuber bar, so it shouldn't be much of a surprise).

All right. Sounds good. As for the Fury, I'd say he should stay Too Uber. But, that's just me.

I'll drop the female rule completely. We'll just see how it goes.

Ok.

I've gotten a couple of PM's for ideas. Here's a list of what I'm considering, and what I'd like to see more discussion on.

Ideas I'm considering:
Blind team submissions. You pm your lineup to me, and you find out your opponents when the battle threads are made.

Sounds good. But, you'll have to increase the battle's length since we wouldn't be able to really start writing until we knew our opponent's lineup.

Theme weeks randomly scattered throughout the season (maybe a quarter of the matches). Themes I like are Full Disclosure (you get to know everything about the other team), Ambush (pick opponents lineup), No Uber (only regs and meds allowed).

I'm not really a fan of theme weeks, personally. But, if they're voted on then I'll go along with it (wouldn't really have a choice anyway). All I ask is that they are few and far between. Like maybe 3-4 in a 12 week season or what not.


Pm'd ideas to discuss:
Home Field advantage.

If you can figure out a way to work it out, go for it. :up:

Swap tokens (limited number of times a season, owner can swap one character after blind lineups posted).

Sounds good.

12 matches over 24 weeks to increase writeup time.

Well, if we're doing blind lineups then something like this will probably be required. Still have to factor in any bye weeks, or what not.

No more facing divison teams twice during season

I'm against this. The point of facing your division teams twice is to create a rivalry and make those games more important to the standings, which they should be. Just like in any sport, division games are the most important and they should still be in this too.

Scaled voting (you have 10 votes to give to each match rather then strictly win-lose voting).

Sounds good.

Specific trading times/limits.

Sounds good.

Additional themes.

Bring back Amalgam's (wouldn't necessarily count against other characters)

Well, even though I hate them I can live with them. :D

Anything I missed?
Not that I can see.

[X]

The Runner's extremely tough, he was taking blasts to the chest from The Surfer like nothing.

And he was walking on the surface of a sun with Moondragon in his first appearance if I'm remembering correctly.

[AnnoyingSilence]

well for me the rules and stuff i'd like like to see are..

1/amalgams returning(i like darkclaw!)Already Been Decided. Yes
2/female rule gone.Already Been Decided. Gone
3/themed weeks.Already Been Decided. Yes
4/marvel/DC rule gone(have an all marvel or DC team if wanted)Already Been Decided. Its a themed week thing
5/extended times for write ups.Already Been Decided. yes
6/specific trading times..basically pick your team and then only able to change the team so many times a season.Already Been Decided. yes
7/blind team submissions.Already Been Decided. yes
8/12 characters per team.Already Been Decided. no


and also nightwing is in favour of these rules aswell as he is sat next to me as i write this!!for someone whos been here so long, UJ. You sure do have a bad opinion. or really slow timing... or both

[AnnoyingSilence]

I'm waiting on 3 p.m.

[Harlekin]

for someone whos been here so long, UJ. You sure do have a bad opinion. or really slow timing... or both
For someone who has been around for so long, you should know that we have only decided on the following:
- the female rule
- extended times
Nothing is set in stone yet, although most are likely to go through, but the 12-character thing and Amalgams are on the fence. The all-marvel/all-dc thing hasn't even considered (fortunately).

[AnnoyingSilence]

:rolleyes:

Um. StFu, Penis Packer

[Harlekin]

:rolleyes:

Um. StFu, Penis Packer
I do so hope we get a battle in season four. I'll savour the moment I get to kick your ass.

[X]

Ahahahhaa. AS has been

http://www.condens.com/images/owdsc.jpg

[Union Jack]

for someone whos been here so long, UJ. You sure do have a bad opinion. or really slow timing... or both


excellent,good stuff i'm happy with those rules..'specially the female and amalgam ones!

oh and AS...it's just slow timing...i need to keep up to date a bit more...frequent here alot more!!

well played weig on the decisions....you're a great choice for top dog on this thing!

[Harlekin]

Wow, just love how you completely ignored my post. Nothing beyond a few things have been decided yet, although consensus is overwhelming in some cases.

[wiegeabo]

What's been decided on so far:

Female rule is out
Extra day for writeups (Thurs-Sun)
Must have two character from each universe of any combo (e.g. MU, MU is fine)
Thanos and GL (Kal-El) are back in.

[X]

What ideas seem to be on there way in, Wieg?

Theme weeks are looking very viable, no?

[Union Jack]

cool,sounds good weig.

I hope amalgams come back too though...
i know you mentioned it,i dont see the problem with having them myself...because some people don't like them is a poor excuse..i don't particularly like some regular ole characters from marvel and DC...but i don't object to them being in it.

I like the theme week thing tho

[Harlekin]

That'll be up too Wieg.

[wiegeabo]

Things that look like they'll be added:

Theme weeks (probably 2-4 depending on season length)
Blind lineups
Amalgams
Scaled voting (using points rather than votes)

[X]

Badass.

I'm personally absolutely loving the blind line-up and scaled voting ideas. :up:

[Johnny Blaze]

Things that look like they'll be added:

Theme weeks (probably 2-4 depending on season length)
Blind lineups
Amalgams
Scaled voting (using points rather than votes)
Sounds good.

[XFanTim]

I agree with the majority that Runner (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/runnerelder.htm) should be too uber, for the reasons already given. I won't say much about it, because I'd just be repeating what's been said. But I will say this: Number of powers isn't what's important, it's how powerful the character is overall. The Runner is just too damn powerful, as evidenced by the people he's beaten and the way in which he's beaten them. And he doesn't have enough low showings (that I know of, at least) to balance out those portrayals. AS, if you want him, you're going to have to at least give some examples of him being beaten by DTL-legal characters.

I think the Fury (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/fury1.htm) is also a clear-cut too uber. Its defeat at the hands of the X-Men was an uncharacteristically poor showing. Its defeat by Captain Britain and Captain UK occured after it had been weakened by its battle with Mad Jim Jaspers, a full-fledged reality warper (whom the Fury defeated). Other acheivements of the Fury include killing every superhero on its Earth, and surviving the destruction of its universe.

[X]

Coming from someone who had The Fury, I'll flat out admit that he's way too uber for the current DTL.

Even his weakened UXM incarnation, he was doing things Gladiator coulden't like damn near kill Cannonball when he was blasting, hitting people into orbit, taking black holes, weapons that destroyed things on a moleculer level...

And many think that that Fury was a fresh Fury, no experience fighting superheroes.

The original Fury survived it's ****ing universe blowing up in it's face. It killed a being with Juggernaut level invulnerability and killed three Superman level beings in a row without even sweating. It took everything Jasper's could throw at him, and Jasper's himself was damned near House of M Scarlet Witch level.

Why do you think I used to have the Fury? :D

[TheCorpulent1]

Throw my name in the hat for Fury remaining too uber, too. :up:

[Harlekin]

Ah, I forgot about the universe destruction. I was mostly basing it on the fact it ultimately took two Cap'n Britains to kill him.

[X]

After he had beaten a being who could survive the destruction of a universe.

He casually killed Captain Britain once and almost did so the second time again.

[Harlekin]

Yeah, you're right. I was a fool.

[TheCorpulent1]

That's ok, Harl. It's not news to us.

[Harlekin]

That's ok, Harl. It's not news to us.
Oh, I feel so comfortable around you guys. Like I could tell you guys EVERYTHING!

[TheCorpulent1]

Please... please don't. :(

[Johnny Blaze]

Yeah, I've already had my good laugh for the day. :o

[Harlekin]

So, there's this one girl...

[The Leaguer]

Come on Harl, we know it's a guy.

[Harlekin]

So there's this one girl with a guy...

[Johnny Blaze]

Denial can be an ugly thing indeed. :(

[The Leaguer]

So there's this one girl with a guy...
Does that mean you play the girl in the relationship?

[X]

Yeah, Harlekin wears the wig. :D

[Harlekin]

And the dress.

[Johnny Blaze]

No high heels?

[wiegeabo]

Only when you've been very naughty...

[Harlekin]

No high heels?
I only do platform boots.

[Johnny Blaze]

Wieg

All right, after some thought and prodding...I'll like to get a second opinion on Despero.

He's basically a top tier physical beast like Thanos and the mindless Hulk (and has similar feats of strength as they do). so I don't think that's a problem.

The one reason I see him being on the fence is his high level of telepathy. Martian Manhunter got beat by him and enthralled in his last appearance, but J'onn has had low showings before for story purposes. It could easily be seen as them being evenly matched, mental wise.

And there are characters in this thing or allowed in the DTL that would stand a damn good chance take him down, such as Thanos, all the Uber mages, Zatanna, the Hulk, Thor, the Supes+ characters, the Heralds, Martians, Juggernaut (both of them), Darkseid, etc.

Like I said above, the only thing I see keeping him on the fence is his telepathy. But, if we can make exceptions for Thanos, why not for Despero as well in assuming he's no more powerful than the Martian Manhunter?

[wiegeabo]

The new Season 4 Update thread can be found at

http://superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220202

[X]

I agree that Despero should be allowed.

V&V was very similar to the Mindless Hulk fights in the heroes all rushed Despero and didn't really use their heads. Hell, Aquaman in his native element managed to hang with Despero one on one for a while.

I mean, the Overmind's allowed, right? He's EXACTLY like Despero.

[XFanTim]

If his telepathy is assumed to be on par with uber telepaths like Martian Manhunter or Xavier, then I don't see the problem. Then he'd basically be like a more physically formidable Martian Manhunter, minus a bunch of J'onn's powers.

If he's able to telepathically enthrall other uber telepaths like he did to J'onn recently, then that's another story.

[wiegeabo]

A Manhunter level Despero sounds pretty good. Any other arguments?

[X]

Since when has telepathy been that useful anyway?

[Johnny Blaze]

So, Despero is good provided his telepathy doesn't trump the top tier telepaths in this thing?

[TheCorpulent1]

He's basically the same as Xavier/Jugs or Brainiac/Doomsday with his telepathy kept at Manhunter's level. Super-strength and durability well in excess of most other ubers' and super-speed. None of which are very hard to get around.

[wiegeabo]

Yeah, Despero's good for now. We'll just consider all the former tubers to be on probation. ;)

[TheCorpulent1]

I almost want to ask about King Thor, but I've decided I'll just be using Thor more effectively this season instead.

[X]

Thor on is own is one of best ubers in this thing.

Tap into gravimetric energy and wail on people with Celestial armor busting shots.

Siphon off energy from the sun and blast people.

But on the belt, double his strength, and use the unfettered might attack to collapse the Savage Hulk's chest.

Research some nasty Marvel realms you can banish people too.

Transmute robots/unliving creatures or but living beings into magical uru cubes or some such.

Summoning heavy rain and fog could be good tactially.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, that's what I meant by using him more effectively. I focused on his energy manipulation last season; I'm gonna try to use more of his powers this season.

[X]

Did I give you any new ideas at all? :D

[TheCorpulent1]

I hadn't thought of fog, actually. I tend to forget all about the level of Thor's weather control and stick with lightning, since it's the most obviously offensive part of the weather. Other elements could be really useful for other stuff that I hadn't thought of, though.

[X]

So any thought been given to us getting extra characters?

[primemover]

If we go with a 'no ubers' Theme Week, I think we should at least have a character reserve especially for Theme Weeks that, kind of like what the JLA has.

This reserve can be like 3 characters and those characters can only be used for that one(or two, depending if we do that Theme Week twice, maybe have one week be 'no ubers', and another be 'all regulars') week, and not used otherwise. Therefore if you do one of those Theme Weeks, you can shoot for the full range of possibilities, like 3 mediums, 2 mediums/2 regulars, 1 medium/4 regulars or 6 regulars!

Also, those three characters CAN be traded and drafted by other teams official roster, causing you to find another reg or medium to add to your reserve, ie you have no lock over them, though a team would not be able to steal a reserve to put on their reserve team.

[X]

Too complicated. :(

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I didn't even bother reading it 'cause I so many words and numbers. Prime's suggestion is too uber!

[wiegeabo]

I want to keep it at 10 characters. Especially if we're going with blind lineups.

We probably wouldn't even need reserves for a No Tuber week. Everyone could just pick up two characters for that week to replace the missing ubers (maybe 1M, 1R or 2R). If someone grabs it first, then someone grabs it first.

[primemover]

I really don't see how this is that complicated.

That is really lame to have to ditch a few ubers for that week and have them be up for grabs and possibly stolen when we could just easily have a reserve for some extra non-ubers.

The no-ubers/all-regulars Theme Week idea is one of the better ones, and it'd only take a small change to make it work well.

Remember, these are reserves, not actually roster characters, so they would have nothing to do with Blind Line-ups or line-ups at all for that matter, unless you officially traded for them in your official 10 character roster.

[wiegeabo]

You misunderstand. You woudn't give up the ubers. You'd just pick up the extra characters for that week. There just isn't a need to have a list of reservers. When it comes time for a No Uber week, your roster gets increased by 2 or whatever.

[XFanTim]

I didn't think anyone was saying a couple ubers would be dropped -- I thought Wieg was saying we'd just expand the roster for that week, as opposed to letting people reserve their regs from the start of the season on.

EDIT: Damn it Wieg, I wanted to explain what you were saying! :mad: ;)

[TheCorpulent1]

That sounds good. It's basically a temporary expansion to twelve-character rosters for that week only.

[wiegeabo]

Another rule I was considering. I think the current rule is that we must use at tleast 10 different characters during the season. What about expanding that to, say, 12 characters. This would force people to eventually trade at least twice to bring in the extra two characters to use. It's another challenge (but most of us usually do that anyway).

[X]

Whoops.

[TheCorpulent1]

Another rule I was considering. I think the current rule is that we must use at tleast 10 different characters during the season. What about expanding that to, say, 12 characters. This would force people to eventually trade at least twice to bring in the extra two characters to use. It's another challenge (but most of us usually do that anyway).
I don't know, I don't like the idea of compulsory trading too much. I'm sure I'll end up trading a lot this season, just like I have every other season, but if people get comfortable with a nice, stable team and want to stick with them for the whole season, I don't think they should be penalized. That's like favoring whores instead of the nice, marriage material girls. :(

[wiegeabo]

That's like favoring whores instead of the nice, marriage material girls. :(


You make that sound like a bad thing. :(


I mean...that's a bad thing! :O

[X]

I don't know, I don't like the idea of compulsory trading too much. I'm sure I'll end up trading a lot this season, just like I have every other season, but if people get comfortable with a nice, stable team and want to stick with them for the whole season, I don't think they should be penalized. That's like favoring whores instead of the nice, marriage material girls. :(

I concur.

Someone's going to get the **** end of the stick there, and no one really benefits from it.

My two cents anyhow.

[TheCorpulent1]

Someone's going to get the **** end of the stick there, and no one really benefits from it.
Yeah, and marriage material girls hate the **** end of the stick, unlike the whores. Trust me, I know.

[X]

Both sides of your stick are ****ty! Pashaw!

[TheCorpulent1]

How do you know so much about my stick? :confused:

[X]

Ever play that old PS game Irritating Stick? :D

[TheCorpulent1]

Um... no, but it sounds disturbing. :eek:

[X]

....

:)

[Silver Sable]

Hi people, I may be interested joining the game.I may play as Sable or Psylocke

[TheCorpulent1]

You've gotta have a whole team of ten, so you could probably use both of them if you wanted.

[X]

Psylocke was just dropped by Nightwing and Sable's available. :up:

[Silver Sable]

Cool thanks :up:

[wiegeabo]

We'd be glad to have you Sable.

[primemover]

You misunderstand. You woudn't give up the ubers. You'd just pick up the extra characters for that week. There just isn't a need to have a list of reservers. When it comes time for a No Uber week, your roster gets increased by 2 or whatever.

That's fine then, I was just thinking it'd be nice to save a few of them for that week or two.

So when are decisions coming down on the other rules, are you going to be letting us vote on things, or are you just going to make a decision one day?

[wiegeabo]

Think of it as a combination of the two. I like to hear everyone's opinions when possible. Then I'll make a decision, probably what the majority says (although I could go the otherway).

[LadyVader]

Being commish is like being married. Just let them do all the talking while you do all the deciding. :)

[primemover]

I'd like to really push for Theme Weeks to happen more than just 2 to 4 times in a 12 week season, I would vote for half of the games be Theme Week games, it'd add a lot of spide to things. We could easily come up with 6 viable and fun Themes to run with.

What does everybody else think?

[wiegeabo]

Right now, I see the season with 16 teams going like this:

Fight each in your division twice (6 matches)
Fight those in other division once (4 matches)
No interconference matches except championship and all-star (so we can really say the 'best' in each conference is fighting in the final round)

So, a ten week season, with a bye week halfway through and between the last week and first round of playoffs.

With only 10 matches, there's only going to be enough room for 2 or 3 theme weeks.

[primemover]

Right now, I see the season with 16 teams going like this:

Fight each in your division twice (6 matches)
Fight those in other division once (4 matches)
No interconference matches except championship and all-star (so we can really say the 'best' in each conference is fighting in the final round)

So, a ten week season, with a bye week halfway through and between the last week and first round of playoffs.

With only 10 matches, there's only going to be enough room for 2 or 3 theme weeks.

Why, why can't we have 5 Theme Weeks?

Also, only 10 matches this season? Why not have some more matches so we can play more teams in the league, as it stands now we only play 8 of 16 teams, and only four teams get to play a 9th(Champsionship and All-Star match combatants).

All professional sports teams have interconference matches and I can't see why we couldn't do the same, knowing which conference is the best just seems to random and trivial, especially when conference members change every season.

[wiegeabo]

Don't forget about the Division and Conference matches.

5 matches
1 bye
5 matches
1 bye
1 division match
1 conference match
1 championship
1 all-start

14 matches over 16 weeks.


I don't really like interconference matches, even in professional sports. I like how they used to do it in baseball where the teams in each league (conference) fought eachtoher for the right to be in the championship. Then you would have the 'best' team in each league representing their league in the final match. It just feels to me that interconference waters it down. But if the rest of the owners want interconference, we can do that.

[primemover]

I was talking about regular season matches, those other four are not gauranteed, and two of those are against your conference team members again.

[XFanTim]

I understand what Wieg is saying: if you each play a couple teams from the other conference, then not everyone in your division has played the same schedule. Thus, one team may have a better record just because they had easier opponents. Whereas, if your whole division faces the same schedule, then the team with the best record is really the best.

However, I also get what Prime is saying. It's more fun to get to face a wider variety of opponents.

How about a compromise: make the inter-conference games an exhibition, that only counts for bragging rights. Or, if we want it to have a little more weight, make it count as a tie breaker, but use Conference Record as the primary means of determining rankings.

[Johnny Blaze]

Or just have each division take on an entire opposite division in the other conference. It would expand the regular season by four games, but it would also mean every owner in your division will have faced the same opponents.

As for theme weeks, I like Wieg's idea to make them few and far between. Makes them something more to look forward too, or what not. :up:

[XFanTim]

Or just have each division take on an entire opposite division in the other conference. It would expand the regular season by four games, but it would also mean every owner in your division will have faced the same opponents.
Good point.:up: I actually like that better than my suggestion. 14 games isn't that long a regular season (we had 13 last season, 16 the season before), and this way most of the teams get to play each other, without anyone in a division getting the unfair advantage of a softer schedule.

[Johnny Blaze]

Doubt I'll get much of a response since I didn't the last time, but what the hell...

We could really use another hero or two in the DCU RPG. Especially with the villains all on the same page for once.
A few of the heroes that are still available are as follows:
Flash (Wally West)
Wonder Woman
Martian Manhunter
Nightwing
Robin
Dr. Fate
Aquaman

We especially need a Flash since Keystone is unprotected right now.
If anyone is interested just go to the Season IV OOC thread and post your interest there. We've already got some excellent RPers there, but could definitely use some more. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

What's the plot like this season?

Also, I'm with prime on theme weeks: the more the better for me.

[Johnny Blaze]

What's the plot like this season? Well, what seems to be the main plot is the villains have banded together to form a Society to wipe out the heroes once and for all.
Lex Luthor is running the show and funding the group, with the Joker, Solomon Grundy, Scarecrow, Zoom, Grodd, and the Rogues as members.
Lex, still seemingly a good guy to the public, has orchestrated the arrest of Superman. Other heroes, such as Marvel and Steel (NPC), have tried to pic up the slack in Supes' absence.
Batman is also inprisoned by Ra's, so he's out of the picture as well. The heroes have a few heavy hitters in the form of Kyle Rayner, John Stewart, and a seemingly reformed Sinestro, but that's about it.
When the proverbial **** hits the fan, they'll be spread waaaay too thin and will be in trouble.

You of all people, Corp, should know what the heroes are in for when the villains are highly organized and working well together. They definitely could use some help. :D

[Harlekin]

It does remind me a lot of that old Dark Alliance story...

[RAMORE]

Sweet i would like to try the DTL when does it start and i'm gonna check out the DC RPG.

[Johnny Blaze]

Sweet i would like to try the DTL when does it start and i'm gonna check out the DC RPG.
The next season of the DTL shouldn't start anytime soon (at least for another month). We still have to hammer out rule changes, new divisions, and a schedule before we even set a start date.
So, you have plenty of time to learn the ropes, or what not. :up:

[AnnoyingSilence]

Scaled voting (using points rather than votes)I like the idea. get more votes in so your more rewarded and you'll be able to put out a fairer vote. Yea Corp won, but his story was only a little better than Roughnecks.
Where before I would only have one vote, now I can award both of them for doing a good job or comming that close to winning.


Also I think all Themed Games and Blind Rosters shoud be optional all the time for every match. This way people get to play how they want to play.

Like i suggested before, The home team is the team on the left of the 'vs' sign in the weekly schedule. Home team will pick the place of battle(populated or not). Visiting team will pick if the game is Blind Roster or not. And finally BOTH of them will agree to have a theme or not. Which in case if yes, they must agree on the theme(Nonagreement by the night Rosters are due will be declared default(no theme)).

[Johnny Blaze]

It does remind me a lot of that old Dark Alliance story...
That's still my favorite story, even though I did like the Legion story (though it was late getting started). And I'm not just saying that because I was a member of the DA. I think we all did a good job in putting the heroes through the ringer and gave it the big climactic ending it deserved.

[Harlekin]

That's still my favorite story, even though I did like the Legion story (though it was late getting started). And I'm not just saying that because I was a member of the DA. I think we all did a good job in putting the heroes through the ringer and gave it the big climactic ending it deserved.
Agreed. We rocked that season.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Sweet i would like to try the DTL when does it start and i'm gonna check out the DC RPG.think looooong and hard, son... This game may be beyond your patients.

You can come in here all energetic, but you'll leave without a sound.

As everyone will tell you, we're implimenting new BETTER rules, but... Your just like everyone else. Drop out.

http://www.indigosoulflow.net/user2/duffs/Thumbs%20down%20Cro.jpg

[Harlekin]

AS, stop ****ing with people who want to join.

[TheCorpulent1]

That's still my favorite story, even though I did like the Legion story (though it was late getting started). And I'm not just saying that because I was a member of the DA. I think we all did a good job in putting the heroes through the ringer and gave it the big climactic ending it deserved.
I felt bad doing everything evil as Black Adam, and he was the morally ambiguous one among the DA. :(
think looooong and hard, son... This game may be beyond your patients.
That's true. I don't know about anyone else, but I hate it when I get into a game and it goes over the heads of the people I'm providing medical care for. :o

[Harlekin]

I felt really great doing the evil stuff as 'Stroke.

[Johnny Blaze]

I felt bad doing everything evil as Black Adam, and he was the morally ambiguous one among the DA. :(
Yeah, but you made up for it at the end by freeing Fate.

[primemover]

I like the idea. get more votes in so your more rewarded and you'll be able to put out a fairer vote. Yea Corp won, but his story was only a little better than Roughnecks.
Where before I would only have one vote, now I can award both of them for doing a good job or comming that close to winning.

Good to see you up for this idea, I was thinking of you when I came up with this, remembering your match with Blaze where you got shut-out.

[Guyverjay]

I would like to take control of The Storm Breakers

[X]

Heh, Guyver's just come back in and he's already got one of the best teams this things ever seen. :D

[Guyverjay]

Give me back Zeitgeist dammit:mad:

[X]

Hahhahahaha. :D

[wiegeabo]

Guyver is offically accepted back in. :D







God help us all! :eek:

[primemover]

I was thinking about how we seperate us all in Conferences and Divisions, but at how random and irrelevant those seperations are, whereas the sports we are copying that method from have reasons for it, like the merging of two leagues or geographical reasons. So based on that I was thinking maybe we could do our seperations the way they do, geographically.

Of course this really depends on our layout as a group, but I know we are pretty darn diverse so maybe it would work, so how about everybody chime in:

I am from Southern California on the West Coast of the United States.

[wiegeabo]

It's in the transactions thread, but just to make it official, I'll post it here too.

I'm approving blind lineup submissions and theme weeks, unless someone has some objections.

Which means get those theme week ideas in.

[wiegeabo]

I was thinking about how we seperate us all in Conferences and Divisions, but at how random and irrelevant those seperations are, whereas the sports we are copying that method from have reasons for it, like the merging of two leagues or geographical reasons. So based on that I was thinking maybe we could do our seperations the way they do, geographically.

Of course this really depends on our layout as a group, but I know we are pretty darn diverse so maybe it would work, so how about everybody chime in:

I am from Southern California on the West Coast of the United States.


Hmmm, interesting idea.

[X]

I was thinking about how we seperate us all in Conferences and Divisions, but at how random and irrelevant those seperations are, whereas the sports we are copying that method from have reasons for it, like the merging of two leagues or geographical reasons. So based on that I was thinking maybe we could do our seperations the way they do, geographically.

Of course this really depends on our layout as a group, but I know we are pretty darn diverse so maybe it would work, so how about everybody chime in:

I am from Southern California on the West Coast of the United States.

I live in Connecticut, on the East Coast of the United States.

It's in the transactions thread, but just to make it official, I'll post it here too.

I'm approving blind lineup submissions and theme weeks, unless someone has some objections.

Which means get those theme week ideas in.

Nice.

Kudos on making great changes so far, Wieg. :up:

[primemover]

Hmmm, interesting idea.

So are you in California?

So far I know this(hopefully):

West Coast US(also Midwest and western Mexico and Canada):

primemover
weigeabo
Annoying Silence

East Coast US(and eastern Canada and Puerto Rico'ish areas)

Tropico
Corp
Blaze
X
Leaguer

Western Europe:

GuyverJay
Union Jack
Nightwing

Eastern Europe(and Scandinavia):

LadyVader
Harlekin

Unknowns:

Roughneck
Punishermax

[wiegeabo]

Central California here.

[AnnoyingSilence]

I'm approving blind lineup, unless someone has some objections.Well i know if i go up against guyver then leaguer then corp then x then johnny then you then whoEVER(except for LadyVader)! Then i'm probly going to have the same people in over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, just because i will take my best line-up to beat or even compete with thiers....

So yes. i have an objection, under the ruling of monotomy

[AnnoyingSilence]

I am from Southern California on the West Coast of the United States.SouthWestern Ohio on the Eastern(EST rather)

[primemover]

Well i know if i go up against guyver then leaguer then corp then x then johnny then you then whoEVER(except for LadyVader)! Then i'm probly going to have the same people in over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, just because i will take my best line-up to beat or even compete with thiers....

So yes. i have an objection, under the ruling of monotomy

If you only have 5 worthy characters on your team then this 'will' be the case, but most of us have 10 worthy characters and a different 5 will come out and play depending on what our opponent has on their roster, and also what kind of battlefield it is. I know that will be the case for me.

The only exception will be Suprise week where you will have to pick a team not knowing who your enemy is, therefore not knowing who you could possibly be facing, therefore picking your best 5 characters or making your best possible team that covers all the bases. Neat.

[primemover]

SouthWestern Ohio on the Eastern(EST rather)
Is Ohio considered Central, or Eastern US? I know it's in the Eastern time zone, but I am wondering.

[wiegeabo]

You forgot the voting thing, rating each story out of 10 then adding those scores together to find the victor, wasn't that either approved or in the works?

Also, were Home Fields still a consideration, what about the idea of having 2 player change tokens to use after blind line-up submissions are posted?

Also the amount of Theme Weeks an issue, in my eyes half of the matches or more should be Theme Weeks, we had plenty to choose from(No-Ubers, All-Regulars, Surprise, Ambush, No Universal Restriction, and Full Disclosure, Damage Control)


I like the voting with points (rate each writeup out of 10 points, the one with the highest total wins). Normal voting and point poting are both fine with me. What do you guys want? I'm willing to institute this if the league wants it.

Player tokens are fine with me (say 2 or 3 in a season, max)

I don't really like the idea of home field advantage. I like a new battlefield each week, which reminds me that we need battlefields for this season. So let's here some ideas (repeats from past seasons are fine, but new grounds would be better).

I'd rather only have a few theme weeks to keep them special. The league is about teams facing each other. I'd rather the themes be added occasionally to throw the teams off, like the gods decided to mess with the characters on a whim by forcing new challenges on them.


One more idea that I know will bring everyone's wrath down upon me, but I think it would add a good challenge to the season, really force everyone to be inventive: Prep-time must take place on the batteground. This means that during prep-time, you can only use what is supplied on the field of battle. If we're in a desert with nothing around, then that's all you get to use. If we're in Marvel New York and you've got a member of the Fantastic Four on your team, you get access to the Baxter Building. An Avenger would get you into the Mansion. (Basically, you can access whatever is in the battle area that your characters would normally have access to).

[AnnoyingSilence]

If you only have 5 worthy characters on your team then this 'will' be the case, but most of us have 10 worthy characters and a different 5 will come out and play depending on what our opponent has on their roster, and also what kind of battlefield it is. I know that will be the case for me.Stfu, prime. Don't talk down to me, my team deserves just as much respect as any other team here.

I don't know about you, but I like to plan my battle and be able to have it up within a day or two... My life doesn't revolve around the DTL now that my baby is around and exspecially now that i have to pick up hours at work to compensate for the burglary... Maybe you have a life beyond the DTL, Maybe(more like most likely) you don't, but if this rule is enforced weekly... (Thursday being the day the threads go up) I won't have a decent write-up up until tuesday(ideas pending).

The only exception will be Suprise week where you will have to pick a team not knowing who your enemy is, therefore not knowing who you could possibly be facing, therefore picking your best 5 characters or making your best possible team that covers all the bases. Neat.What?! What do you think Blind Line-up means? Blind line means we pm the line-up to whomever is in charge of it(you'll never be able to see who your opponent is choosing).

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm in Central Florida, east coast of the United States, continent of North America, planet Earth, Sol solar system, Local Group, Virgo supercluster, observable universe.
One more idea that I know will bring everyone's wrath down upon me, but I think it would add a good challenge to the season, really force everyone to be inventive: Prep-time must take place on the batteground. This means that during prep-time, you can only use what is supplied on the field of battle. If we're in a desert with nothing around, then that's all you get to use. If we're in Marvel New York and you've got a member of the Fantastic Four on your team, you get access to the Baxter Building. An Avenger would get you into the Mansion. (Basically, you can access whatever is in the battle area that your characters would normally have access to).
That pretty much destroys everyone's knowledge base. All of the Exiles' Panoptichron information suddenly becomes useless and we'd basically have to arbitrarily decide what people would remember from their teams' adventures.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Is Ohio considered Central, or Eastern US? I know it's in the Eastern time zone, but I am wondering.:rolleyes: Seriously?

[primemover]

I'd rather only have a few theme weeks to keep them special. The league is about teams facing each other. I'd rather the themes be added occasionally to throw the teams off, like the gods decided to mess with the characters on a whim by forcing new challenges on them.

Since each Theme Week does something different which in my eyes make each week we have a Theme Week special, and each Theme Week does something different, either by adding diversity or adding freedom, so there is a nice mix.

Since we have taken two elements that add diversity and difficulty to line-up creation out of the equation(no female rule, and not having to have one uber from each universe), adding a few Theme Weeks that add that back will be cool.

Themes that add diversity:

Ambush Week
Surprise Week
Playing God Week

Themes and add freedom:

No Universal Restriction Week
Full Disclosure Week

Themes that do a little bit of both:

No-Ubers Week
All-Regulars Week
Damage Control Week

[primemover]

:rolleyes: Seriously?

Yes seriuosly.

[primemover]

Stfu, prime. Don't talk down to me, my team deserves just as much respect as any other team here.

I don't know about you, but I like to plan my battle and be able to have it up within a day or two... My life doesn't revolve around the DTL now that my baby is around and exspecially now that i have to pick up hours at work to compensate for the burglary... Maybe you have a life beyond the DTL, Maybe(more like most likely) you don't, but if this rule is enforced weekly... (Thursday being the day the threads go up) I won't have a decent write-up up until tuesday(ideas pending).

I was not talking down to you, and I was not saying your team didn't have 10 worthy players, I was just laying down the reasons 'why' this would be a problem, whereas for the most part it isn't.

Also, I have no idea what you are talking about in your second paragraph, besides mocking me, as blind line-ups should not add any more time to your decision making and league participation than usual. Can you maybe explain to me how it would?

What?! What do you think Blind Line-up means? Blind line means we pm the line-up to whomever is in charge of it(you'll never be able to see who your opponent is choosing).

You mis-interpret what Suprise Week means in comparison to normal weeks. With normal weeks you know who you are facing(as written down on the schedule), so you know their 10 roster characters that they have to choose from, then you pick your 5 players based on that.

Surprise week means you 'do not' know who you are playing, so therefore you have nothing to choose your characters other than just putting together the best team for all situations. Suprise Week, if done as a Theme Week, would only be done once in a season.

[AnnoyingSilence]

I like the idea. get more votes in so your more rewarded and you'll be able to put out a fairer vote. Yea Corp won, but his story was only a little better than Roughnecks.
Where before I would only have one vote, now I can award both of them for doing a good job or comming that close to winning.


Also I think all Themed Games and Blind Rosters shoud be optional all the time for every match. This way people get to play how they want to play.

Like i suggested before, The home team is the team on the left of the 'vs' sign in the weekly schedule. Home team will pick the place of battle(populated or not). Visiting team will pick if the game is Blind Roster or not. And finally BOTH of them will agree to have a theme or not. Which in case if yes, they must agree on the theme(Nonagreement by the night Rosters are due will be declared default(no theme))....

[AnnoyingSilence]

I was not talking down to you, and I was not saying your team didn't have 10 worthy players, I was just laying down the reasons 'why' this would be a problem, whereas for the most part it isn't.

Also, I have no idea what you are talking about in your second paragraph, besides mocking me, as blind line-ups should not add any more time to your decision making and league participation than usual. Can you maybe explain to me how it would?



You mis-interpret what Suprise Week means in comparison to normal weeks. With normal weeks you know who you are facing(as written down on the schedule), so you know their 10 roster characters that they have to choose from, then you pick your 5 players based on that.

Surprise week means you 'do not' know who you are playing, so therefore you have nothing to choose your characters other than just putting together the best team for all situations. Suprise Week, if done as a Theme Week, would only be done once in a season.blind roster and suprise week are the SAME DAMN THING! either way you don't know what 5 your opponent is putting up and either way your still looking at the same 10 characters the person has.

[primemover]

blind roster and suprise week are the SAME DAMN THING! either way you don't know what 5 your opponent is putting up and either way your still looking at the same 10 characters the person has.

No, they are different, during Surprise Week you don't even know WHO your opponent is before you submit your line-up where during other weeks you do. Does anybody else have trouble understanding this?

[TheCorpulent1]

Nope.

[AnnoyingSilence]

I like the idea. get more votes in so your more rewarded and you'll be able to put out a fairer vote. Yea Corp won, but his story was only a little better than Roughnecks.
Where before I would only have one vote, now I can award both of them for doing a good job or comming that close to winning.


Also I think all Themed Games and Blind Rosters shoud be optional all the time for every match. This way people get to play how they want to play.

Like i suggested before, The home team is the team on the left of the 'vs' sign in the weekly schedule. Home team will pick the place of battle(populated or not). Visiting team will pick if the game is Blind Roster or not. And finally BOTH of them will agree to have a theme or not. Which in case if yes, they must agree on the theme(Nonagreement by the night Rosters are due will be declared default(no theme)).

[AnnoyingSilence]

No, they are different, during Surprise Week you don't even know WHO your opponent is before you submit your line-up where during other weeks you do. Does anybody else have trouble understanding this?and yet i still oppose having to go blind.

read my above post.

[wiegeabo]

The problem with having one surprise week is that you could figure out who you're going to fight by looking at the schedule.