Dream Team League (Discussion)

[wiegeabo]

I think we said he was a regular, and the Ketch version was MM.

[Grim Goblin]

I think we said he was a regular, and the Ketch version was MM.

:eek: Seriously? I would have thought the opposite based on the variation of their (or technically just his) abilities. For instance Blaze/Rider could just summon/dispel his bike from hellfire while Ketch/Rider had to rely on an actual motorcycle.

But I'll abide by the rules and class him in my regular pile. Thanks guys.

[XFanTim]

I think it was because GR(Ketch) had more weapons. GR(Blaze) didn't have the chain, and I don't think he had the penance stare (maybe I'm misremembering). Plus, GR(Ketch) can mentally control the bike, so it's not like he can easily be separated from it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Caveat: I'm pretty sure everyone's talking about the original Zarathos/Johnny Blaze GR. The current Johnny Blaze Ghost Rider from Ennis' mini-series would probably be a middleweight because he seems to have all of the Ketch/Noble Kale version's abilities in addition to his own Blaze/Zarathos abilities. Off the top of my head, I can remember him summoning a hellfire bike, breathing hellfire, summoning various weapons, and using the chain.

[XFanTim]

Yeah, I'm talking about '70s GR. I haven't read the new stuff.

[AnnoyingSilence]

nbs.,(the people who just joined the DTL) We need people who are going to STAY!, So make sure you know you want to spent you weekend doing a write-up. A write-up could take anywhere from 30 min to 3 hours to do.

Which, as i see it, with all the great pick ups made lately... Its going to be more than like 3 hours... a lot.

[Grim Goblin]

Well personally, I'm here for the long haul. The only thing I can think of which would make me unavailable would be something like a family emergency. Obviously in that case I would have to miss my deadline but other than that I'm always good to go.

With that said, I'll have my line-up ready for approval in a day or two.

[X]

Glad to see things are coming along for you, Goblin.

Things are kind of slow right now. Usually the DTL's actually pretty fun. So don't be deterred. :D

[TheCorpulent1]

Well personally, I'm here for the long haul. The only thing I can think of which would make me unavailable would be something like a family emergency. Obviously in that case I would have to miss my deadline but other than that I'm always good to go.

With that said, I'll have my line-up ready for approval in a day or two.
There's no approval process or anything, and if you miss a write-up now and then it's no big deal. Just relax and have fun. The DTL's a very informal thing.

[wiegeabo]

This does bring up a rule I had thought about a while ago but forgotten. We have a rule that says if you miss more than three matches in a row without any kind of writeup (barring big emergencies and the like), then your out of the League and you team is up for grabs.

I was thinking of tightening that rule a bit since no one wants to pick up a team that's lost 3 matches (or more if they weren't in a row). If you miss 3 matches in the season (not necessarily in a row) for no reason, then you're out.

Now this probably won't be a problem because we seem to have a stable set of owners right now (the rule came up when we were picking up and dropping owners like crazy during the expansion). But I think it's an important rule to have if that problem ever comes again.

[XFanTim]

This does bring up a rule I had thought about a while ago but forgotten. We have a rule that says if you miss more than three matches in a row without any kind of writeup (barring big emergencies and the like), then your out of the League and you team is up for grabs.

I was thinking of tightening that rule a bit since no one wants to pick up a team that's lost 3 matches (or more if they weren't in a row). If you miss 3 matches in the season (not necessarily in a row) for no reason, then you're out.

Now this probably won't be a problem because we seem to have a stable set of owners right now (the rule came up when we were picking up and dropping owners like crazy during the expansion). But I think it's an important rule to have if that problem ever comes again.
That sounds like a good rule to me. We can always make an exception if someone has some really outstanding circumstances, but in general three missed matches just because you're "too busy" means you're probably too busy for the DTL.

[primemover]

Based on that rule I'd have been booted the last two seasons.

[Union Jack]

me too :D :(

[XFanTim]

Based on that rule I'd have been booted the last two seasons.
Yeah, but if you knew that rule was in place, you're telling me you couldn't have thrown together a paragraph for most of those weeks?

[wiegeabo]

Here's another idea I had. We couldn't implement it this season because we're so close to it, but it would be under consideration for season 5.

It works well in JH's contest of Marvels, so it may work here and eliminate some confusion the often times comes up. It's something I sort of wish we had used since the beginning of the first season, but never brought it up back then. The idea is to have a 'Most Commonly Known As' rule.

Basically, when you pick up a character, you get them as they are most commonly known, with that set of powers. The exception would be alternate timelines/dimensions (like What If's and Elseworlds) because in those comics that is how they are most commonly known.

So, if you pick up Superman, you get him with the normal Kryptonian powers. No more picking up characters from specific moments in time when they had different powers for only a couple of issues.

Now this brings up a couple of issues. What is the most commonly known verison of a character? With Superman, it's not so hard. But with a character like Doomsday, my idea of most commonly known (during Death of Superman and Hunter/Prey) may not be the same as someone else's idea. It's something we'd have to work out.

Another potential issue would be handling a character who had fundamental changes for a long period of time. Superman Blue comes to mind. True, he's the same Superman, just with different powers, so under the rule, you'd only be able to pick him up with standard Kryptonian powers. But Clark was Blue for a long time, and specified under Superman Blue, had the other set of default powers.


This rule won't go into effect during the upcoming season, so we don't have to worry about that. I'm just putting it out there now for consideration of season 5, so we have plenty of time to talk about it.

[primemover]

That would be the case, where I would make some kind of effort as cheap as it would be, just to not get booted, I personally would rate skipping voting higher than skipping write-ups when considering reasons to boot somebody.

[Johnny Blaze]

Here's another idea I had. We couldn't implement it this season because we're so close to it, but it would be under consideration for season 5.

It works well in JH's contest of Marvels, so it may work here and eliminate some confusion the often times comes up. It's something I sort of wish we had used since the beginning of the first season, but never brought it up back then. The idea is to have a 'Most Commonly Known As' rule.

Basically, when you pick up a character, you get them as they are most commonly known, with that set of powers. The exception would be alternate timelines/dimensions (like What If's and Elseworlds) because in those comics that is how they are most commonly known.

So, if you pick up Superman, you get him with the normal Kryptonian powers. No more picking up characters from specific moments in time when they had different powers for only a couple of issues.

Now this brings up a couple of issues. What is the most commonly known verison of a character? With Superman, it's not so hard. But with a character like Doomsday, my idea of most commonly known (during Death of Superman and Hunter/Prey) may not be the same as someone else's idea. It's something we'd have to work out.

Another potential issue would be handling a character who had fundamental changes for a long period of time. Superman Blue comes to mind. True, he's the same Superman, just with different powers, so under the rule, you'd only be able to pick him up with standard Kryptonian powers. But Clark was Blue for a long time, and specified under Superman Blue, had the other set of default powers.


This rule won't go into effect during the upcoming season, so we don't have to worry about that. I'm just putting it out there now for consideration of season 5, so we have plenty of time to talk about it.Eh, since I probably won't be around for a season 5, I don't really care either way.
But, I would be against it if it were implimented this season.

[wiegeabo]

Eh, since I probably won't be around for a season 5, I don't really care either way.
But, I would be against it if it were implimented this season.


Wouldn't do it this season. But would you be against it in general (say if you were in season 5)?

[AnnoyingSilence]

'Most Commonly Known As':

Basically, when you pick up a character, you get them as they are most commonly known, with that set of powers. The exception would be alternate timelines/dimensions (like What If's and Elseworlds) because in those comics that is how they are most commonly known.

So, if you pick up Superman, you get him with the normal Kryptonian powers. No more picking up characters from specific moments in time when they had different powers for only a couple of issues.

Now this brings up a couple of issues. What is the most commonly known verison of a character? With Superman, it's not so hard. But with a character like Doomsday, my idea of most commonly known (during Death of Superman and Hunter/Prey) may not be the same as someone else's idea. It's something we'd have to work out.

Another potential issue would be handling a character who had fundamental changes for a long period of time. Superman Blue comes to mind. True, he's the same Superman, just with different powers, so under the rule, you'd only be able to pick him up with standard Kryptonian powers. But Clark was Blue for a long time, and specified under Superman Blue, had the other set of default powers.i think this rule would cause more problems than it would solve in the short run. And in the long run it would make it severely harder to pick up 2 versions of one character and make the DTL more diverse, but on a strict level, not a "more people are happy" level.

The whole thing about the specification rule in the first place is so you can pick up your favorite character in his or her peak. Instead of the dreary regular version of them, like my Captain Marvel(for a perfect example). he may have only had all the experience and power for a couple seconds, but it is a show of experience that would contest a whole different character.

[AnnoyingSilence]

and to me, the DTL is levels higher and way more specific than JH's tournament

[primemover]

It would definately clear up clutter and make it clearer for the other teams who exactly you have, and that can be an issue from time to time.

Then again, all of my characters are the commonly known versions :)

[Johnny Blaze]

Wouldn't do it this season. But would you be against it in general (say if you were in season 5)?
Yeah, I'd be against it.
If someone wanted a version of a character from a specific arc or something, they should be allowed to get them. Now, characters that have only appeared in a panel or two I can see not being allowed.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd be against limiting the characters to "most commonly known" versions, too. I was just arguing for like forever with LibrarianThorne about Juggernaut, who bounced back and forth from being able to withstand Thor's god blast with absolutely no damage to getting his ass kicked by Gladiator and the Hulk in the same damn time period. Which version is more commonly known? Totally invincible or just kinda sorta tough? If the consensus falls on the latter, boom, Juggernaut's no longer a character who's worth a damn and whoever wanted to use him because they actually like him as a character is screwed.

[XFanTim]

Advantages of the "best known version" rule:
- More variety in characters used (because we're basically limited to one version of each)

- We don't have to look up some random What If . . . ? to find out what the character can do

Disadvantages of "best known version" rule:
- Harder to get the characters you want (because you can't just get a different version)

- Hard to determine who gets to keep the character (if there are already two versions in the DTL)

- Some characters become unusable (because the "best known version" sucks)

- Limits the field of characters we have to choose from (since we can't get anyone who's an "alternate version")


To me, it doesn't look like the pros outweigh the cons.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Advantages of the "best known version" rule:
- More variety in characters used (because we're basically limited to one version of each)

- We don't have to look up some random What If . . . ? to find out what the character can do

actually that would be the only way to get alternate versions of characters

Disadvantages of "best known version" rule:
- Harder to get the characters you want (because you can't just get a different version)

- Hard to determine who gets to keep the character (if there are already two versions in the DTL)

- Some characters become unusable (because the "best known version" sucks)

- Limits the field of characters we have to choose from (since we can't get anyone who's an "alternate version")


To me, it doesn't look like the pros outweigh the cons.agreed

JH's tournatment rule sounds like a dud.

[wiegeabo]

Actually, you could still use What If's and Elseworlds, or alternate dimensions and timelines, because would be the most known form of the character for that time.

[AnnoyingSilence]

(is that what i just said?(and i do believe you specified that already as well))

I say the rule sucks. And as long as you provide concrete scans or lengthy explanation(and us that post as a short cut for thier describtion during matchs) of exactly who the characer is and his/her power level.

its cool. just like my guy:

Marv from the future invites Marv from right now (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/badass%20pick%20ups/Marvoftodayandfuture.jpg) to bang thier bands Together (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/badass%20pick%20ups/Combinded.jpg). Doing this (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/badass%20pick%20ups/PowerExplaination.jpg). Cold Feat (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/badass%20pick%20ups/Freeze.jpg) Heat Feat (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/badass%20pick%20ups/Heat.jpg). Major Freat (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/badass%20pick%20ups/TheFeat.jpg). This is how he did it. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/badass%20pick%20ups/FeatExplianation.jpg). And this (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/badass%20pick%20ups/Persona.jpg) is how he turns out. :D :up:

Obviously with all the experience hes picked up, he didn't pick up only 3 tricks, so i would have room to think stuff up for myself and let you guys judge.

under your rule this guy would not exist, but without your rule, i'll have someone who could take on silver surfer and the lot

[XFanTim]

Actually, you could still use What If's and Elseworlds, or alternate dimensions and timelines, because would be the most known form of the character for that time.
So wait, you're just proposing getting rid of alternate versions from the same timeline? Like, 616 Cosmic Spidey would be gone, but "What If...?"Cosmic Spidey would be allowed?

That's not as bad, simply because less characters would be affected, but it feels like it has the same problems to a lesser degree. I'm just not sure I really see the point.

[TheCorpulent1]

He's saying that we couldn't take guys like Alan Scott from The Final Night, when he didn't have his wood weakness, because it's a specific time period in the mainstream continuity. Which, to me, is not a good idea because Alan Scott basically sucks and is unusable with his wood weakness, and The Final Night's version is the only one I know of without that weakness.

[XFanTim]

Advantages of the "best known version" rule:
- More variety in characters used (because we're basically limited to one version of each)

- We don't have to look up some random What If . . . ? to find out what the character can do

Disadvantages of "best known version" rule:
- Harder to get the characters you want (because you can't just get a different version)

- Hard to determine who gets to keep the character (if there are already two versions in the DTL)

- Some characters become unusable (because the "best known version" sucks)

- Limits the field of characters we have to choose from (since we can't get anyone who's an "alternate version")

Since alternate versions are still allowed that basically scraps the only "advantages" I saw. It still has the disadvantage of making some characters basically unusable (e.g., Corp's example of Alan Scott). Which also just reduces the field of characters to choose from. Plus, if one person has the standard version of a character and one has a non-standard incarnation, the person with the non-standard version is basically screwed. (Since they can't even downgrade him to the regular version, they just lose their character.)

Basically, it seems like elimiinating a few useful characters for no real reason.

[AnnoyingSilence]

JHs' Tournament Rule is still plummetting in the DTL.

I think the outcome of this rule is and has already been put into measure.

Not gonna happen. ( That is unless Wea steps in as "God and Master" of the DTL and says different ( In Season 5, that is. ). )

[TheCorpulent1]

Since alternate versions are still allowed that basically scraps the only "advantages" I saw. It still has the disadvantage of making some characters basically unusable (e.g., Corp's example of Alan Scott). Which also just reduces the field of characters to choose from. Plus, if one person has the standard version of a character and one has a non-standard incarnation, the person with the non-standard version is basically screwed. (Since they can't even downgrade him to the regular version, they just lose their character.)

Basically, it seems like elimiinating a few useful characters for no real reason.
The reason seems to be to make things easier to understand and more accessible, I guess. The problem with that is that, even with this "standard version only" rule, the DTL's never going to be easily accessible. The fact will still remain that if you try to enter a match in the DTL without a lot of information on your opponent's characters, wherever they come from, you're likely to lose. For me, it's as easy to look up information on Alan Scott from The Final Night or Doomsday from Doomsday Wars as it is to look up information on the standard version, which is usually pretty inconsistent anyway.

[SouLeSS]

As long as you don't have batman, it should be pretty much fair.

[TheCorpulent1]

As long as you don't have batman, it should be pretty much fair.
:confused:

[XFanTim]

The reason seems to be to make things easier to understand and more accessible, I guess. The problem with that is that, even with this "standard version only" rule, the DTL's never going to be easily accessible. The fact will still remain that if you try to enter a match in the DTL without a lot of information on your opponent's characters, wherever they come from, you're likely to lose. For me, it's as easy to look up information on Alan Scott from The Final Night or Doomsday from Doomsday Wars as it is to look up information on the standard version, which is usually pretty inconsistent anyway.
Yeah, and people are generally pretty good about sharing info about their characters anyway. I've never had any difficulty learning about my opponent's characters, even when it was someone I'd never even heard of.

[XFanTim]

As long as you don't have batman, it should be pretty much fair.My guess is maybe that was supposed to be in response to a different thread. :confused:

[primemover]

The idea has merit, I oftentimes get sick of all of these alternate versions of characters, maybe for some of you guys it's easy to understand the differences, but I get sick of researching them all. I get easily confused.

I'd like to see some kind of limit put on specific versions of characters, like banning versions of character that are basically the same as usual, except at that point in the story they were holding a certain weapon that they usually don't carry, etc. That stuff is just out of control.

[TheCorpulent1]

I just don't get how it's hard to understand. Say I take Thunderstrike II when he had the original Thunderstrike's mace. You research Thunderstrike II, find out what he can do, and then research the original Thunderstrike's mace, find out what it can do, and then you put them together. :confused:

[primemover]

The second paragraph had nothing to do with research, it had everything to do with being lame.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, kind of like your whole existence? Alternate characters are teh coolness!!!111 :mad:

[primemover]

Oh Corp, you cut me down to my soul!

Wait, thinking further about this, I want to pick up Collossus w/Wolverine, you know, mid 'Fastball Special' :)

[TheCorpulent1]

That's just ridiculous. :o

[Johnny Blaze]

Question: What rank would the Floronic Man fall under?
From what I read about him, he sounds like a Swamp Thing-lite, but evil.

[primemover]

Oooh, another cool pick-up, The Hulk w/firetruck, cause you know at one point or another The Hulk picked up a firetruck and used it as a weapon!

[TheCorpulent1]

I wouldn't have a problem with that one. :up:

[Nightwing.]

where is the new update thread?

[Johnny Blaze]

where is the new update thread?
There's a link in the first post of this and the Transaction thread.

[primemover]

where is the new update thread?

Just change your sig link to http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220202

[AnnoyingSilence]

I wouldn't have a problem with that one. :up:me neither :up:

I'm gonna have to look for any weapons Doomsday Picked up :up:

Like when he picked up Superman's uniform before he leaped into the teleporters.... Wear it as a trophy. Maybe smoother people with it... Or hang'm.... Or just Prime... :D yea

[primemover]

Happy Birthday Weig.

So what's the status on the new seasons rules, especially the Theme Weeks and how many there are going to be. Some people say the more the merrier, some not so much, for me that is the main thing interesting me in the 4th season, so I'd like to see how that stands now.

[wiegeabo]

Happy Birthday Weig.

So what's the status on the new seasons rules, especially the Theme Weeks and how many there are going to be. Some people say the more the merrier, some not so much, for me that is the main thing interesting me in the 4th season, so I'd like to see how that stands now.


Hey, it's my birthday. I don't have to do any damn work! :mad:


Dr. Doom says:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a11/wiegeabo/Doom-Banned.jpg

:doom:

:p

[TheCorpulent1]

So sayeth DOOM, so shall it be done!

[primemover]

Loki looks like such a loser back there behind all the others, even behind Abomination!

So what about my question Weig?

[TheCorpulent1]

He's behind all the others because he's subtlely manipulating all the others to carry out his every whim! :mad:

[wiegeabo]

Since I'm incapable of maintaining a list, we'll start a new one. I'll miss a lot, but we'll add back to it as we go.

I think we're still a team short too.

Accepted:
No gender rule
Two from each universe (regardless of rank)
Theme weeks (probably a quarter of the matches, randomly chosen weeks and themes)
A few tubers squeezed back under the bar
Battles start Thursday, voting starts Monday, voting ends Wednesday.


Under discussion:



Accepted Themes:


Themes Under discussion:

[wiegeabo]

He's behind all the others because he's subtlely manipulating all the others to carry out his every whim! :mad:

Or he's checking out their butts. :gg:

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, he can shapeshift. :p

[AnnoyingSilence]

so he must be checking out there butts

[wiegeabo]

And his pants are too tight, explaining the expression on his face.

[Grim Goblin]

And his pants are too tight, explaining the expression on his face.

nah, he's just suffering from explosive Diarrhea. Notice the smoke clouds behind him? I'm sure Volstagg tried to warn him about that Asgardian chily but you know Loki...he never listens :D

[TheCorpulent1]

Norse gods are immune to diarrhea! :mad:

[Grim Goblin]

on a serious note... I was unable to access these threads for the last couple of days so I didn't get to post this earlier. I had to threaten my PC to start working again before I use Mr baseball bat to fix the problem but now everything's back to normal.

So here's my (almost) complete line-up. If I made a mistake in the ranking just tell me.

Team Name: The League of Extremely Pissed Gentlemen
Owner: Grim Goblin

-Darkseid (DU)
-Lobo (DU)
-Ultimate Thor (MU)
-Juggernaut (MU)
-D'Spayre (MM)
-Az-Bat (KnightsEnd) (DR)
-Red Hood (Jason Todd) (DR)
-Ghost Rider (Blaze/Zarathos) (MR)
-Sabretooth (MR)

Now I'm only missing a (DM) and I'm done

oh, and happy B-Day wieg! :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Nice team. You'll have to post your picks in the Transactions thread to make them official, though. All the "business" stuff for the DTL goes through that thread.

Kudos on the use of Azrael in any form, although I always preferred the red-armored one from when he was just getting to know Leslie Thompkins.

[wiegeabo]

Thank you. You shall be spared the wrath of Doom's banishment.


And, strictly speaking, you don't need a DM. Any M will do. Any ranking for any universe will do fine. It's just that a DM will give you a little more freedom in your lineup.

[wiegeabo]

AzBats rocks. He was on my first team for the first match in the first season.

Ah, the memories. Such poor strategies, such bad writing...;)

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, things were so much simpler then.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Then I joined :daredevil

[wiegeabo]

Knew I forgot a couple of rules and such.

Accepted:
No gender rule
Two from each universe (regardless of rank)
Theme weeks (probably a quarter of the matches, randomly chosen weeks and themes)
A few tubers squeezed back under the bar
Blind lineup submissions (with tokens).


Under discussion:



Accepted Themes:
Full Disclosure
No Uber
Ambush


Themes Under discussion:
Swap
No prep-time
Battlefield prep-time
Surprise week (first week of season)

[Union Jack]

i am not into the swapping teams idea or the no prep time..prep time is inmportant as not everyone can get online everyday!

whats meant by suprise week??

[wiegeabo]

Basically, in surprise week you have no idea who your opponent is until the battles were posted. It would really only work the first week of the season before schedules were released (otherwise you could figure out who your opponent would be by determining who the missing team is).

And by no prep-time, I mean that your teams would have no prep-time, you couls still do all the research you want. Just imagine both teams dropped into the middle of the battle with no time to prepare against the other side.

[primemover]

For Surprise week to be successful you just have to have it happen in the first few weeks, you really don't have to have it on the first, the main point is to not release the full schedule until after rosters are submitted for that week.

I'd really like to see Surprise Week used because it's the only time we have to pick our truly best, most versitile team, ready for anything thrown at us, as it's the only time we truly pick blind.

Also, I think along with a No Uber week, we should have an All Regular week, since a few mentioned that as being cool. I know it's kind of redundant, as during No Uber week you could go all regulars if you wanted, but there would be a difference. Add the ability to draft any others you want for those weeks and it'd be a blast.

So what happened to 'No Universal Restriction Week', that one seemed to get people interested, you know guys like Leaguer would love to go all DC one week :)

I'd really like to see at least 6 theme weeks during this season, spread out among a 13+ week season it'd be a blast. My choices for those 6 are:

Surprise Week
Ambush Week
No Uber Week
All Regular Week
No Universal Restriction Week
Full Disclosure Week

[wiegeabo]

Updated with theme weeks that seemed to get good reviews:

Accepted:
No gender rule
Two from each universe (regardless of rank)
Theme weeks (probably a quarter of the matches, randomly chosen weeks and themes)
A few tubers squeezed back under the bar
Blind lineup submissions (with tokens).


Under discussion:



Accepted Themes:
Full Disclosure
No Uber
Ambush


Themes Under discussion:
Swap
No prep-time
Battlefield prep-time
Surprise week (first week of season)
No universe restriction
Regs only
Short-handed
No Kill

[Union Jack]

for suprise week it'd be best for the DTL to go into one big league like the soccer premiership over here.

it'd be better that way too,as we can all face each other then aswell...and not face the same guy too many times.

[Union Jack]

i do like the regular only rule for particular theme weeks..with bats and cap on my team it'd be great!

also as a theme too what about a good versus evil week.

or maybe just a one on one week,so one uber V one uber ...like my supes versus someone elses uber..but just one character to write for.

[wiegeabo]

There was an idea for a short-handed week. Basically, you set up your team as normal, then your opponent gets to choose one of your team to kick off. Then you have a four on four matchup.

[Union Jack]

hmm...i do think a one on one match could be interesting..you'd have to write it alot more on one person(obviously!)..but it'd show how much you know the character and how you'd implement them in certain circumstances.
i think one on one would be better if it was kept to regulars too...just to keep things more level.

the idea of getting rid of one character is ok..but everyone will most likely choose to kick off an uber...so its a bit predictable.

[primemover]

There was an idea for a short-handed week. Basically, you set up your team as normal, then your opponent gets to choose one of your team to kick off. Then you have a four on four matchup.

I thought this one was universally panned, no?

[primemover]

i do like the regular only rule for particular theme weeks..with bats and cap on my team it'd be great!

also as a theme too what about a good versus evil week.

or maybe just a one on one week,so one uber V one uber ...like my supes versus someone elses uber..but just one character to write for.

I'd prefer that the Theme Weeks only mess with line-ups and nothing else, that way at least we have some control over who plays in our match, ie our rosters.

The battlegrounds are usually the way to alter the match beyond line-ups, like having the battle last year during an OMAC invasion.

Also, I don't think any team could even field a purely good or evil team, I know I can't! (7 to 3 evil)

[primemover]

for suprise week it'd be best for the DTL to go into one big league like the soccer premiership over here.

it'd be better that way too,as we can all face each other then aswell...and not face the same guy too many times.

I mentioned that a week ago, ie if you have 16 teams, have a 15 week schedule where everybody plays everybody else, but it fell on deaf ears.

[wiegeabo]

I mentioned that a week ago, ie if you have 16 teams, have a 15 week schedule where everybody plays everybody else, but it fell on deaf ears.


What? Speak up! :confused:

[primemover]

Cute.

[JewishHobbit]

Hey guys,

If you'll have me, I've been dabating it and I think I'd like to jump back in on this shindig for the upcoming season. I pm'd W about it and he said he'd be glad to have me, so yippee :) I'm still working on puting a team together, but here's some questions.

1) Is the Update thread updated? I noticed that there's 2 unowned teams, am I still allowed to trade with them?

2) I'm not completely sure how you've decided what's too uber and what's not, but I'm just curious why Cable (Burnt Offering) is too uber when Silver Surfer isn't. I'd figure that they'd be in the same league as they had a fairly even fight. Not sure that I'd still want Cable, but I just thought that was odd.

3) Is the five used in battle still have to have the same requirements? I know you don't need a female now, but is it still 2 Ubers, 1 Med, and 2 Regs (and downgrades if desired)?

4) What is the rules of the Amalgam characters again? Example: Is Darkclaw a unique character, or is he considered both Wolverine, and Batman? (I don't want that character, but just for example). Also, what comics are considered DC? Specifically, are either Doctor StrangeFate or X-Patrol considered DC?

5) And finally, about how long until this season starts?

Thanks guys, and I look forward to playing with you all again.

[LadyVader]

:up: Great to have you back. You were good. Not as good as me, but still...
hehehe.

ok, I'll try to answer some of your questions.
1. yup, you can butcher those teams all you want.
2. The basic reasoning behind our acceptance of Silver Surfer is "But he's Silver Surfer"!
3. No, you can have any structure you like but it has to be at least 2 characters from a universe. Ex: 2 DR, 1 MM, 2 MU
4. That I don't know.
5. It will be quite some time.

[wiegeabo]

0) Good to have you back JH.

1) There's a new update thread that we don't bump. I think AS has a link in his sig. Trade from those teams all you want.

2) Let's not bring up the Surfer again ;)

3) Rankings are the same 2U/1M/2R with downgrades. Universe restriction has been eased so you only need 2 from each company (rather than 1MU/1DU, 1DR/1MR...)

4) Amalgam's are back. Can't remember what we decided. I'd rather them not count against their counterparts. Amalgam's belong to the universe of the company that published their book.

5) I'd like to shoot for the start of April, either next week, or more likely, the week after. Unless everyone needs more time (I just need to set some things up over the weekends).


Oh yeah, times will be Pacific Time Zone because...well...I'm in it and I'm the commish :p
So lineups are due midnight Wednesdays Pacific Time (3am Eastern). Voting will probably start around Noon on Mondays (maybe not until after work), with it ending after work on Wednesday (around 6pm).

[wiegeabo]

Beat me to it LV. :)

JH reminded that Amalgam's were let back in, so we'll add that back.

Accepted:
No gender rule
Two from each universe (regardless of rank)
Theme weeks (probably a quarter of the matches, randomly chosen weeks and themes)
A few tubers squeezed back under the bar
Blind lineup submissions (with tokens)
Amalgam's allowed.


Under discussion:



Accepted Themes:
Full Disclosure
No Uber
Ambush


Themes Under discussion:
Swap
No prep-time
Battlefield prep-time
Surprise week (first week of season)
No universe restriction
Regs only
Short-handed
No Kill

[JewishHobbit]

Thanks W and LV. I'll work on my team, and any questions I have regarding character I will ask over in the Transactions thread.

[Harlekin]

Totally cool! JH is back! :D.

[Johnny Blaze]

There's also a link to the Update thread in the first post of both this thread and the Transaction thread.


As for Cable (Burnt Offering), what exactly did make him Too Uber in the first place (I can't remember)?


And Wieg, how big will the schedule be and how many of the weeks will be theme weeks?

[XFanTim]

Hey guys,

If you'll have me, I've been dabating it and I think I'd like to jump back in on this shindig for the upcoming season. I pm'd W about it and he said he'd be glad to have me, so yippee :) I'm still working on puting a team together, but here's some questions.

1) Is the Update thread updated? I noticed that there's 2 unowned teams, am I still allowed to trade with them?

2) I'm not completely sure how you've decided what's too uber and what's not, but I'm just curious why Cable (Burnt Offering) is too uber when Silver Surfer isn't. I'd figure that they'd be in the same league as they had a fairly even fight. Not sure that I'd still want Cable, but I just thought that was odd.

3) Is the five used in battle still have to have the same requirements? I know you don't need a female now, but is it still 2 Ubers, 1 Med, and 2 Regs (and downgrades if desired)?

4) What is the rules of the Amalgam characters again? Example: Is Darkclaw a unique character, or is he considered both Wolverine, and Batman? (I don't want that character, but just for example). Also, what comics are considered DC? Specifically, are either Doctor StrangeFate or X-Patrol considered DC?

5) And finally, about how long until this season starts?

Thanks guys, and I look forward to playing with you all again.
Yay, Hobbit's back! :up: Incidentally, you won't get to face me, since after winning the Championship last season I'm taking time off to rest on my laurels and get some things done in real life. But I'm still hanging around for discussion/voting and to help Wieg out with some things.

Here are my lengthier answers to your questions, in case you found the short versions unfullfilling:

1) There's a new update thread, linked to from the first page of both the Discussion and Transactions thread. Instead of bumping it over and over, we're all just going to bookmark it. Much simpler . . . if not as beneficial to the post count.

2) Silver Surfer is still legal for the same basic reason that Thanos and Darkseid are -- in short, they've been around long enough that their ridiculously too uber appearances are balanced out by their not too uber appearances. It's understood that for DTL purposes, you have to keep your characters' powers within reason. Cable doesn't have that many appearances, and I seem to recall you saying that his fight against Surfer wasn't really the highpoint of his powers . . . but eh, I could still see him being allowed, if he was kept to no more than Surfer's level of power.

3) 2 Ubers, 1 Med, and 2 Regs (downgrades allowed), but no female requirement and no company requirements except that you have at least two from each company. So for instance you could do: MU, MU, MM, DR, DR

4) Amalgams are back, but they're still as lame as ever. :p I think we said Darkclaw (for instance) would be his own character, not a version of Wolverine or Batman. I'm pretty sure we're still assigning them to companies based on who actually published the book (I know it says "Amalgam" on the cover, but they still had to actually be produced by either DC or Marvel). If you ask around, some people seem to know which was which.

5) See Wieg's reply.

[wiegeabo]

And Wieg, how big will the schedule be and how many of the weeks will be theme weeks?


The season I'm looking at is everyone plays everone else once, but those in your division twice so we can have some nice rivalries. But that makes the season 19 weeks long (not including byes and playoffs).

Although if everyone's fine with a season that long, that's what we'll do.

And with 19 weeks, I'm thinking 4, maybe 5, theme weeks. But I'd like a list of 8 to 10 themes if possible so we won't be able to figure out what themes will pop up before hand.

[wiegeabo]

Although I like how everyone's teams are setup, I had one more idea to mix things up. Does anyone want to move to a new division/conference? If you don't, that's fine. I like being in Wakanda so I'll be staying there.

But if anyone wants to move their team, let me know. If I get enough names, I could randomly put your teams into new places, trying to make sure you're not in the same division.


I don't know if this is a good idea or not. We are going to get some new interaction with our new owners and the return of JH already. Thought I'd throw it out there though.

[XFanTim]

What do the divisions look like now (e.g., where are the new people being added in?)

[wiegeabo]

As of the end of last season, this was the division breakdown:


Timely Conference

Latveria Division
Cosmically Incorporated
The He-Naners
The New Defenders
Justice Knights
Warriors of Old

Wakanda Division
Chaos & Order
The Incorrigible Punkasses
Eternal Champions
Justice Society
Titanic Wonders

National Conference

Gotham Division
The Blazing Horde
Everybody in the Casa Mare
The Atomic Punks
Supreme Authority
The Secret Offenders

Metropolis Division
The Storm Breakers
Devastating Silence
Claws of Veeshan
Lost Flock
Warhawks


Now, it looks like this:

Timely Conference

Latveria Division
Gods and Men (Harl)
(JH)
The New Defenders (X)
Justice Knights (UJ)

Wakanda Division
Chaos & Order (wiegeabo)
The Incorrigible Punkasses (Corp)
The League of Extremely Pissed Gentlemen (Grim Goblin)
Justice Society (punisher)

National Conference

Gotham Division
Funky Fresh (JB)
Simple Kind of Lovelies (LV)
The Atomic Punks (prime)
Guyver's Goons (Guyver)

Metropolis Division
Heralds of the Mad Bull (Mad Bull)
Noble Aggressions (AS)
Claws of Veeshan (Leaguer)
Lost Flock (Trop)


I was able to eliminate an extra, unowned, team from each division, and each division gets a new team. And randomly replaced Question's team with Guyver's, Tim's with Mad Bull's, the Champions with Goblin's, and Naner's with JH's team.

[primemover]

4 or 5 theme weeks in a 19 week season, LAME :(

[primemover]

Beat me to it LV. :)

JH reminded that Amalgam's were let back in, so we'll add that back.

Accepted:
No gender rule
Two from each universe (regardless of rank)
Theme weeks (probably a quarter of the matches, randomly chosen weeks and themes)
A few tubers squeezed back under the bar
Blind lineup submissions (with tokens)
Amalgam's allowed.


Under discussion:



Accepted Themes:
Full Disclosure
No Uber
Ambush


Themes Under discussion:
Swap
No prep-time
Battlefield prep-time
Surprise week (first week of season)
No universe restriction
Regs only
Short-handed
No Kill

You are forgetting about the new 10 point voting system.

[Union Jack]

are we going for one big league this time or the seperate leagues?

it'd be good if it was all one table all season then at the end of the season the top 6 teams come together for the playoffs and the winner of that wins the title.
also the one at the top of the table at the end of the season gets a one way ticket into the final and the rest duke it out for the chance to be in the final.

thats how super league rugby league works over here and in australia,it works well plus combines two different league types,the league table and the knockout playoffs.

that looks better too,you can see where every one is,i thinks its a better system than the 4/5 little league type things.

[wiegeabo]

You are forgetting about the new 10 point voting system.

Not anymore.


Accepted:
No gender rule
Two from each universe (regardless of rank)
Theme weeks (probably a quarter of the matches, randomly chosen weeks and themes)
A few tubers squeezed back under the bar
Blind lineup submissions (with tokens)
Amalgam's allowed
10 point voting system


Under discussion:



Accepted Themes:
Full Disclosure
No Uber
Ambush


Themes Under discussion:
Swap
No prep-time
Battlefield prep-time
Surprise week (first week of season)
No universe restriction
Regs only
Short-handed
No Kill

[wiegeabo]

4 or 5 theme weeks in a 19 week season, LAME :(


I don't want to risk burning out the theme weeks. I'm afraid that if we have too many of them then they lose their novelty. I'd rather them be something special to look forward to, especially since you'll never know when they pop up.

[primemover]

I don't want to risk burning out the theme weeks. I'm afraid that if we have too many of them then they lose their novelty. I'd rather them be something special to look forward to, especially since you'll never know when they pop up.

I am just really looking forward to them, and I'd rather not seem the marginalized. In a 19 match season I can't see why 6 isn't a good theme week number, we have at least that many that are cool enough to try. That is less than a third.

[wiegeabo]

I am just really looking forward to them, and I'd rather not seem the marginalized. In a 19 match season I can't see why 6 isn't a good theme week number, we have at least that many that are cool enough to try. That is less than a third.


True, it is only a third. Problem is we don't have that many theme weeks. Although I'm willing accept No-Prep Time, Battlefield Prep Time, and No Universe Restriction weeks right now.

[primemover]

What is wrong with Surprise Week and All Regulars Week?

I vote for Surprise, All Regs and No Universal Restriction to round out our 6.

Also, aren't No-Prep Time and Battlefield Prep-Time almost the same thing, unless you force an attack immediately when the players beam in.

[wiegeabo]

No prep time means that the battle starts right away.

With battlefield prep time, your team still gets the normal 24 hours, but they have to use it on the battlefield and surrounding area. Example: if you're in a city, the teams could take up different parts (and set various traps).

[Johnny Blaze]

As of the end of last season, this was the division breakdown:


Timely Conference

Latveria Division
Cosmically Incorporated
The He-Naners
The New Defenders
Justice Knights
Warriors of Old

Wakanda Division
Chaos & Order
The Incorrigible Punkasses
Eternal Champions
Justice Society
Titanic Wonders

National Conference

Gotham Division
The Blazing Horde
Everybody in the Casa Mare
The Atomic Punks
Supreme Authority
The Secret Offenders

Metropolis Division
The Storm Breakers
Devastating Silence
Claws of Veeshan
Lost Flock
Warhawks


Now, it looks like this:

Timely Conference

Latveria Division
Gods and Men (Harl)
(JH)
The New Defenders (X)
Justice Knights (UJ)

Wakanda Division
Chaos & Order (wiegeabo)
The Incorrigible Punkasses (Corp)
The League of Extremely Pissed Gentlemen (Grim Goblin)
Justice Society (punisher)

National Conference

Gotham Division
Funky Fresh (JB)
Simple Kind of Lovelies (LV)
The Atomic Punks (prime)
Guyver's Goons (Guyver)

Metropolis Division
Heralds of the Mad Bull (Mad Bull)
Noble Aggressions (AS)
Claws of Veeshan (Leaguer)
Lost Flock (Trop)


I was able to eliminate an extra, unowned, team from each division, and each division gets a new team. And randomly replaced Question's team with Guyver's, Tim's with Mad Bull's, the Champions with Goblin's, and Naner's with JH's team.
I think you should continue the DTL tradition and set up the divisions randomly by picking the names out of a hat. :up:

[AnnoyingSilence]

(wanted to run this by yall).

[XFanTim]

With the 10 point voting system, maybe there should be some sort of rule that people have to give one side a majority. Otherwise, we could potentially get a bunch of people wussing out and picking a 5-5 tie, which would make the final result dependent on only a few people's votes. Heck, why not do a nine point system -- that way everyone has to at least pick a winner.

I'm also a little worried that a few people with strong opinions will totally dominate the voting by casting 10-0 votes (or 9-0 votes if you take my above suggestion), while everyone else gives a few points to each.

E.g. the votes could go:
6-4
6-4
6-4
6-4
0-10

In this case, the second player wins 26 to 24, despite only winning a single ballot out of five.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm not opposed to the new points-based voting system. I'm just wondering if there's anything we can do to prevent something like that from happening.

[XFanTim]

In particular, what if one of the battle participants posts a writeup but then misses the chance to vote (because of computer problems or whatever)? The other participant could cast a 10-0 vote and singlehandedly cancel out four close votes for their opponent.

Maybe we should just not have people vote in their own match to prevent that problem.

[primemover]

With the 10 point voting system, maybe there should be some sort of rule that people have to give one side a majority. Otherwise, we could potentially get a bunch of people wussing out and picking a 5-5 tie, which would make the final result dependent on only a few people's votes. Heck, why not do a nine point system -- that way everyone has to at least pick a winner.

I'm also a little worried that a few people with strong opinions will totally dominate the voting by casting 10-0 votes (or 9-0 votes if you take my above suggestion), while everyone else gives a few points to each.

E.g. the votes could go:
6-4
6-4
6-4
6-4
0-10

In this case, the second player wins 26 to 24, despite only winning a single ballot out of five.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm not opposed to the new points-based voting system. I'm just wondering if there's anything we can do to prevent something like that from happening.

The voting system isn't 10 points spread out between the two combatants, it's each person gets a vote out of ten. So voting out of 9 wouldn't help.

I would suggest no tie votes, so no 9-9 or 6-6, etc.

I would hope that people voting THAT against the grain would be noted and questioned, but to be safe we could do what some point scoring sports do, and throw away the highest and lowest vote. So in your example the vote would end up 24 -16, as the 0 AND 10 are thrown out.

[primemover]

In particular, what if one of the battle participants posts a writeup but then misses the chance to vote (because of computer problems or whatever)? The other participant could cast a 10-0 vote and singlehandedly cancel out four close votes for their opponent.

Maybe we should just not have people vote in their own match to prevent that problem.

Not being able to vote for your match is a good idea, as since the voting is going for a more quality representation, you can hardly be objective ot your own write-up.

[XFanTim]

The voting system isn't 10 points spread out between the two combatants, it's each person gets a vote out of ten. So voting out of 9 wouldn't help.

I would suggest no tie votes, so no 9-9 or 6-6, etc.

I would hope that people voting THAT against the grain would be noted and questioned, but to be safe we could do what some point scoring sports do, and throw away the highest and lowest vote. So in your example the vote would end up 24 -16, as the 0 AND 10 are thrown out.
Oh, I get it. I was misremembering. In any case, I think no tie votes should be the rule.

Not being able to vote for your match is a good idea, as since the voting is going for a more quality representation, you can hardly be objective ot your own write-up.
Yeah, and if we did let people vote for their own they'd almost have to score it 10-0 just in case their opponent decides to do that. Even if you honestly thought you'd won it 10-9, you couldn't vote 10-9 since your opponent could come back and vote 10-0 and take a nine point lead. Better to just not have people vote for their own match at all.

[wiegeabo]

I agree, voting for yourself in this system can be more trouble than it's worth. (We'll ignore voting for your opponent, which has happened occasionally.)

So you won't be able to vote on your own battle.

Although I do like the idea of voting ties. Sometimes the battles are so good and/or close, you just can't pick which one is clearly better. So you should be able to vote a tie, like 9-9 or 6-6, just because you can't make up your mind. I don't think it would happen often enough to cause problems.

[primemover]

I agree, voting for yourself in this system can be more trouble than it's worth. (We'll ignore voting for your opponent, which has happened occasionally.)

So you won't be able to vote on your own battle.

Although I do like the idea of voting ties. Sometimes the battles are so good and/or close, you just can't pick which one is clearly better. So you should be able to vote a tie, like 9-9 or 6-6, just because you can't make up your mind. I don't think it would happen often enough to cause problems.

Did we allow ties in the last three seasons?

[primemover]

What did you guys think of the 'tossing out the high and low votes' idea, I think that can really help out if somebody votes with their little brain.

[wiegeabo]

Did we allow ties in the last three seasons?

Yeah, ties were always allowed, except in the playoffs.

[primemover]

Yeah, ties were always allowed, except in the playoffs.

Hrm, I'd still like to see some rule forbidding them, for some reason I'd imagine seeing more ties with the new scoring system. Probably wouldn't matter though, though not letting anybody cheese off would rock :)

[JewishHobbit]

Wait, so how does this new voting system work? Are we basically scoring each write up between 1 and 10, and then adding the totle scores. The person with the highest score wins the match? Is that right?

[primemover]

Wait, so how does this new voting system work? Are we basically scoring each write up between 1 and 10, and then adding the totle scores. The person with the highest score wins the match? Is that right?

Yes, but we are discussing things like banning tie votes and throwing out the highest and lowest votes to hinder any favoritism or drunk voting.

[JewishHobbit]

Huh, can't say I'm a fan of this system myself, but if all of you guys already decided to go with it then I'm game.

[wiegeabo]

And it doesn't necessarily have to be 10 points. It could be 5 or 3 or whatever we want to finally decide on.

[primemover]

Huh, can't say I'm a fan of this system myself, but if all of you guys already decided to go with it then I'm game.

What part don't you like?

[JewishHobbit]

I don't know,... there just seems more room for err as far as biased voting, stupid voting, etc. Not to mention that differant people may have a differant opinion of what a "4" match is, or what an "8" match is. If someone is more conservative, it could really hurt the person he's voting for, if someone else is more extreme and voting against him.

I don't know, just seems iffy to me. I like the 100% sure yes or no answer.

[primemover]

I don't know,... there just seems more room for err as far as biased voting, stupid voting, etc. Not to mention that differant people may have a differant opinion of what a "4" match is, or what an "8" match is. If someone is more conservative, it could really hurt the person he's voting for, if someone else is more extreme and voting against him.

I don't know, just seems iffy to me. I like the 100% sure yes or no answer.

The idea came about to reward each writer and write-up with some feedback, a rating, as giving a yea or nay is so cut and some people were really disheartened when they got little to no votes, making it seem their story was complete garbage, when for the most part they weren't, it just happened that the other story was just better enough to get most of the votes.

With this system, win or lost you will understand what people thought of your story, and that all important feedback.

I understand there might be some scoring differences between people, but as long as they vote the same way for both teams, it should effect the score the same way. Biased voting will be obvious when compared to other votes, and if we drop highest and lowest votes it should alleviate this.

One option if you don't like the tallying of votes to discern the winner, is to still do the 'out of 10' voting, but score each voters victor seperately instead of tallying and comparing.

[AnnoyingSilence]

you know what you can reward me with, for my write-ups?

Good Job :up:

[primemover]

you know what you can reward me with, for my write-ups?

Good Job :up:

7/10!!

[Grim Goblin]

hiya guys (and girls too ;)) I've been looking around for my last pick my team needs and I'm fresh out of ideas. I'm a little rusty when it comes to DC characters, so any suggestions you guys could give me for some medium class characters that aren't already picked would be great. Characters with attitude would be best but I'm open for anything at this point.

[primemover]

There are tons, give us an idea of what kind of powers you are looking for.

[Grim Goblin]

Well I already got the brute strength aspect covered. Same with the mystical side. So I'm looking for something more in the Psychic/Telepathic branch.

[primemover]

Well I already got the brute strength aspect covered. Same with the mystical side. So I'm looking for something more in the Psychic/Telepathic branch.

I recommend a character I had the first two seasons, Tomorrow Woman (http://www.classicmarvel.com/cast/tomorrow_woman.htm). She's an android that masquaraded as a human created by the dudes who created Amazo and Red Tornado. She is a high level telepath/empath and has telekinesis which can enable her to fly and lift heavy objects. She was part of the JLA for a short time, so she'd have that as a resource which can help with prep-time.

Gorilla Grodd (http://www.classicmarvel.com/cast/gorilla_grodd.htm) is also available.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Gorilla Grodd would be your best bet. Tommorrow Woman(like Spider-man) is too inward, a very conflicting personality. where as grodd... you know what hes going to do... :D kill(which is much funner than knocking someone out)

[primemover]

Gorilla Grodd would be your best bet. Tommorrow Woman(like Spider-man) is too inward, a very conflicting personality. where as grodd... you know what hes going to do... :D kill(which is much funner than knocking someone out)

She still has no problems with incapacitating somebody, which is just as good as a kill in the DTL. Grodd is cool, but since he already has the brute strength he needs, TW's telekinesis and other tricks(read below), would come in handy.

Another bonus for Tomorrow Woman, she is the only known telepath shown to use successfully use telepathy on an android, as she did on Hourman Android.

[XFanTim]

Yeah, ties were always allowed, except in the playoffs.
Ties in matches were allowed (in the regular season), not ties in an individual's votes.

In other words, if after everyone had voted, two opponents were tied, then they'd get a tie in the standings. However, an individual voter couldn't vote "tie" -- they had to pick a winner.

So if we allow someone to vote for a tie, that would be a change from the previous three seasons.

Personally, I think it would be a bad idea. There have been lots of times where people said "Man, this was really close", or "I had to read them over three times to pick a winner." Assuming that wasn't just BS, I could see a lot of people opting in those cases to just take the easy way out and vote "tie". In which case the final outcome of the match wouldn't really represent a group consensus, since many people effectively abstained.

If a person prefers one writeup to another, even if they have to read them over three times and dwell on it a while to determine that preference, the preference ought to be reflected in their vote.

[primemover]

No ties is the best solution, if people still want to vote the matches closet hey can, they will just have to vote 8-7 or something.

[AnnoyingSilence]

She still has no problems with incapacitating somebody, which is just as good as a kill in the DTL. Grodd is cool, but since he already has the brute strength he needs, TW's telekinesis and other tricks(read below), would come in handy.

Another bonus for Tomorrow Woman, she is the only known telepath shown to use successfully use telepathy on an android, as she did on Hourman Android.that is cool :cool:

[Union Jack]

On what level would you place shuma gorath?
MU?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuma-Gorath

[XFanTim]

On what level would you place shuma gorath?
MU?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuma-Gorath
Too uber, I would think.

[wiegeabo]

Reality warping, immune to all but the most powerful magic, near omniscience...yeah, I'd say tuber.

[Union Jack]

balls.
oh well..one can but try...he was kinda O.T.T

how'd you reckon shuma would do up against say dormammu??

[Guyverjay]

Yet he was beaten by Dr Strange:p

Eidt: So has dormammu

[Union Jack]

thats true too,but dormammu was too wasnt he.

[XFanTim]

Dr. Strange has beaten plenty of too uber people. But of course he's also been beaten by much weaker people. I assume we're using a somewhat toned down Strange, same as for Silver Surfer, Thanos, Darkseid, Despero, etc. Not weaker than in the comics -- just not at the level of his highest end feats.

[Grim Goblin]

Would Parasite be considered medium class or uber?

[wiegeabo]

I think JB had him as an uber because he hsa the ability to absorb kenetic energy along with the energy of others.

[XFanTim]

Plus, he can duplicate the powers of the people whose energy he absorbs. (Not to mention he has shapeshifting abilities).

I'd say he's a pretty good uber.

[Grim Goblin]

yeah, I figured he would be uber. Damn! looks like I'll pick Grodd to fill up my vacant medium spot then.

[AnnoyingSilence]

I was very impressed by beta ray bill today.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Would Parasite be considered medium class or uber?:eek: Parasite is Uber :eek:

:eek: Parasite is Uber :eek:

Show him the Parasite kentic-stopping page. . . ( You know., The one with him stopping the car being hurled at him. )

[XFanTim]

I was very impressed by beta ray bill today.
Beta Ray Bill as a badass. :up: What did he do that impressed you?

[wiegeabo]

Since we're getting close to the season starting, here's the rules as they stand. I've accepted a couple of new things.

Accepted:
No gender rule
Two from each universe (regardless of rank)
Theme weeks (probably a quarter of the matches, randomly chosen weeks and themes)
A few tubers squeezed back under the bar
Blind lineup submissions (with tokens)
Amalgam's allowed
10 point voting system (no tie votes allowed)


Under discussion:



Accepted Themes:
Full Disclosure
No Uber
Ambush
No prep-time
Battlefield prep-time
No universe restriction

Themes Under discussion:
Swap
Surprise week (first week of season)
Regs only
Short-handed
No Kill


Feel free to bring up any new rules or issues, or discuss stuff currently accepted. We could really use more discussion on the theme weeks, including more themes.

[primemover]

Just add Surprise Week and All Reg week and we're good :)

Suprise Week is the coolest, PLEEEASE!

Also, any thought to dropping the high and low votes, it works for figure skating and could help guard against voting abnormalities!

[XFanTim]

We could really use more discussion on the theme weeks, including more themes.
More themes? OK, here goes:

Infinite Roster week: You can choose any DTL legal lineup you want, regardless of whether the characters are on your team or not. Even if they're on another owner's roster, it doesn't matter. This also means that the same character could appear in multiple lineups. If there's someone you've always wished you had on your team, here's your chance.

Amnesia week: Your characters still know who they are and how to use their powers, but they have no knowledge of who any of the other characters are. Even if they're going up against someone who has been their teammate for years, it's as if they're meeting for the first time.

One-on-One week: Instead of one five-on-five match, your writeup must consist of five one-on-one matches, with each character fighting an opposing character of the same rank. Whichever team wins at least three of the five matches is the winner. Thus, the fights between the regulars would be every bit as important as the fights between the ubers.

Hostile Ground week: Rather than both writeups taking place in the same location, each player must set their writeup in a location where the opposing team has the advantage. (E.g., if your opponent has a JLAer and you don't, you could set the battle in the Watchtower.) You should also assume your opponents have prepped the battlefield against you. The goal is to show that your team would win even faced with these disadvantageous circumstances.

Mind Swap week: You can interchange the minds and personalities of your characters in any way you like, with the only requirement being that no one remains in their own body. If you want to stick Dr. Doom in the body of Speedball, or give Reed Richard's brain to Bizarro, then so be it. Partly, this would be a chance to do something funny, but it's also a chance to make a dumb character smarter or turn a nice guy into a ruthless killer.

[JewishHobbit]

I like the Reg week idea, and I kinda like Tim's Infinite Roster Week idea too

Here's an idea, how about a "Last Man Standing" week. Basically, you get your five guys, and your oponant gets their five guys, but instead of teams, it's an all out brawl until there's only one survivor.


And AS, I figured you'd like that Beta Ray Bill mini, it surprised me with how good it is too :up:

[wiegeabo]

Hmmm...nice ideas. I'll add them to the under discussion list:

Accepted:
No gender rule
Two from each universe (regardless of rank)
Theme weeks (probably a quarter of the matches, randomly chosen weeks and themes)
A few tubers squeezed back under the bar
Blind lineup submissions (with tokens)
Amalgam's allowed
10 point voting system (no tie votes allowed)

Under discussion:

Accepted Themes:
Full Disclosure
No Uber
Ambush
No prep-time
Battlefield prep-time
No universe restriction

Themes Under discussion:
Swap
Surprise week (first week of season)
Regs only
Short-handed
No Kill
Infinite Roster
Amnesia
One on One
Hostile Ground
Mind Swap
Last Man Standing


Now for my initial thoughts. Surprise week would really only work best as the first week of the season. (I'm also wondering if the surprise battle should be narrowed down a bit, maybe say ahead of time that you will battle another team in your conference of division, rather than planning for anyone in the league.) If enough owners want to do it, we'll give it a shot.

Infinite Roster could easily make it too difficult to put a team together (or way too easy). I'd like to restrict it to only characters currently owned in the League.

Amnesia's not bad, but how would we handle prep-time info. Would the characters still be able to learn all the details about other characters they used to know (JLA, Avengers, ...)?

I like one-on-one (and I also think you did it during your writeup in Gamemaster's lair ;)).

Hostile ground could leave too much open. We may need to narrow possible locations down. Maybe only allow team headquarters (which could still leave options if the opponent's characters were on a few teams)?

Mind swap's not bad at all. When I first read it, I thought it said the minds would be swapped between teams, which was actually interesting in a way. But switching around minds inside the team could also really shake things up.

[JewishHobbit]

You didn't list my "Last Man Standing" idea :(

[XFanTim]

Amnesia's not bad, but how would we handle prep-time info. Would the characters still be able to learn all the details about other characters they used to know (JLA, Avengers, ...)?
Yeah, that one might work best if combined with either no prep time or battlefield prep time, so people couldn't just go look up their opponents in a computer file.

Alternately, they could do prep time as normal and then have their memories wiped when they got to the battle. They'd still have any weapons they built during prep time, and possibly we could let them remember any discussions about the battleground, but any strategies they planned for dealing with their opponents would be out the window.

[wiegeabo]

Then they'd have to try and figure out why they're holding a weapon and who they should use it on. That'd be funny.

I thought I did list it :confused:
So I did.

[primemover]

More themes? OK, here goes:

Infinite Roster week: You can choose any DTL legal lineup you want, regardless of whether the characters are on your team or not. Even if they're on another owner's roster, it doesn't matter. This also means that the same character could appear in multiple lineups. If there's someone you've always wished you had on your team, here's your chance.

Not much of a fan of using characters outside of our line-ups, we take such effort in creating our teams, we should always use them.

Amnesia week: Your characters still know who they are and how to use their powers, but they have no knowledge of who any of the other characters are. Even if they're going up against someone who has been their teammate for years, it's as if they're meeting for the first time.

This could be cool, kind of opposite of Full Disclosure Week.


One-on-One week: Instead of one five-on-five match, your writeup must consist of five one-on-one matches, with each character fighting an opposing character of the same rank. Whichever team wins at least three of the five matches is the winner. Thus, the fights between the regulars would be every bit as important as the fights between the ubers.

Don't like this much, many characters fill roles in a team format, that'd be unfair to have them go one on one.

Hostile Ground week: Rather than both writeups taking place in the same location, each player must set their writeup in a location where the opposing team has the advantage. (E.g., if your opponent has a JLAer and you don't, you could set the battle in the Watchtower.) You should also assume your opponents have prepped the battlefield against you. The goal is to show that your team would win even faced with these disadvantageous circumstances.

Interesting, though it's always cool to have the same battlefield, good comparison for the teams.

[AnnoyingSilence]

You didn't list my "Last Man Standing" idea :(good idea, i say

[primemover]

I like the Reg week idea, and I kinda like Tim's Infinite Roster Week idea too

Here's an idea, how about a "Last Man Standing" week. Basically, you get your five guys, and your oponant gets their five guys, but instead of teams, it's an all out brawl until there's only one survivor.

You mean have our guys go against our own guys??

[primemover]

Yeah, that one might work best if combined with either no prep time or battlefield prep time, so people couldn't just go look up their opponents in a computer file.

I like the idea of combining Amnesia Week with No-Prep Time, we could also combine Ambush Week with Battlefield Prep-Time week, since it also somewhat linked.

So I recommend this:

Amnesia Attack Week - No-prep time plus no knowledge of other teams powers.

Ambush Week - Enemy picks a legal team(UUMRR) and prep-time on battlefield.

[AnnoyingSilence]

You mean have our guys go against our own guys??its a big 10 vs 10(royal rumble)

[XFanTim]

its a big 10 vs 10(royal rumble)
That's not how I interpreted it.
Basically, you get your five guys, and your oponant gets their five guys, but instead of teams, it's an all out brawl until there's only one survivor.Sounds like he's saying instead of 5 vs. 5, it's 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1.

Seems like that could get kind of complicated to write, though. Plus, it seems like it'd make the match wholly dependent on who has the best uber, since lower level characters couldn't team up to take out the stronger ones.

[AnnoyingSilence]

think of evil characters... or smart character with telepathy or a means to ally with someone so they have the upper hand, but as know they would also backstab thier ally(obviously).

[AnnoyingSilence]

Imagine:

Captain Marvel (Genis) and X-man

I could write-that-out if you need me too :up:





Deadly Alliances

Entering into battle Captain Marvel knows the rules(as of with everyone else), everyman for himself..., But Gen hasn't been going about the rules for sometime., Suddenly, but not suprisingly, Gen fells the scan of a telepath and forces a link.

X-man: Who are you?!

Genis: I'm your friend.

X-man: How so?

Genis: You and I could herd them together. Let them take each other out., And then You and I could fight.... One-on-One

Contemplating, X-man: ...... ....... ...... You must keep your mind open to me at all times. If I think your tricking me, You wont live to regret it.




I could get more detailed and continue the story., But Thats what the season is for.

[AnnoyingSilence]

I can't believe i finally have Thunder (DR) (F) and Plastic Man (DKSA) (DR).

with magic they couldbe a lethal combonation of powers :D

[AnnoyingSilence]

Thundastic Man (DM)

oooooooo....

devistation every where... a 100ton monster as tall as building....

[ Comming in May ]

OnlyAtYoMomsHouse

[Harlekin]

AS's little piece brings up an old DTL tradition? I actually wrote a prologue for my team some time back? Anyone want to share those?

[JewishHobbit]

That's not how I interpreted it.
Sounds like he's saying instead of 5 vs. 5, it's 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1.

Seems like that could get kind of complicated to write, though. Plus, it seems like it'd make the match wholly dependent on who has the best uber, since lower level characters couldn't team up to take out the stronger ones.

Sure they can, if done correctly. Heck, over in the contest of marvels, someone debated a good match and believingly had Forge win over Molecule Man, and I had Nico Minoru win over Thunderstrike. It's definately possible if creative enough. But if it comes down to uber vs uber, no biggie, that's what they're there for. Yes, your own guys would be fighting your own guys, but then you'll also be writing their own guys fighting their own guys,,, and whoever writes the best brawl match with their final character still standing wins.

[primemover]

AS's little piece brings up an old DTL tradition? I actually wrote a prologue for my team some time back? Anyone want to share those?

Here is mine (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4725722&postcount=3112), I never got around to chapter two, but I remember this was my first time at creating a fiction, 'twas fun! :)

[Harlekin]

Well, here's mine, and maybe this time I will make my DTL matches one big story (like I had actually planned for last season).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v124/Daimoah/GodsMen.png
Gods and Men
Thor! (The Thunder God (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_%28comics%29))
Peter Parker... Spider-Man! (Captain Universe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Universe))
Hector Hall... Doctor Fate! (Mage Supreme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hector_Hall))
Bart Allen... Flash! (Tomorrow's Fastest Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_Allen))
John Henry Irons... Steel! (Man of Steel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel_%28comics%29#Steel_.28III.29:_John_Henry_Iro ns))
Vision! (The Android Avenger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vision_%28comics%29#Vision_.28Avengers.2C_1968-2004.29))
Illyana Rasputin... Magik! (Mutant Exile (http://exiles.confusticated.com/magik.html))
Reed Richards... Mr. Fantastic! (Smartest Man Alive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mister_Fantastic))
Indigo! (Android Outsider (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo_%28comics%29))
Boston Brand... Deadman! (Dead Again (http://spider-bob.com/heroes/dc/Deadman.htm))

Resources
Avengers Files
Thor, Vision, Mr. Fantastic

Fantastic Four Files
Mr. Fantastic

JLA/JSA Files
Doctor Fate, Steel

Titans (of Tomorrow) Files
Flash

Outsiders/Titans Files
Indigo

Prologue
Across worlds and realities, ten men and women were enveloped in a bright glowing light as they were teleported away. The first arrival was Thor, as the light dissipated and he found himself standing in the Tower of Fate.

“What magic is this!?” Thor yelled as his hammer Mjolnir spun furiously, and he looked around, trying to discern his whereabouts. From one of the shadows walked a man dressed in a trench coat, with dirty blonde hair and a cigarette in his mouth. Thor found he could not move from his spot.

“Put a bleedin’ sock in it, willya mate?”
“Undo these magics and return me to Asgard, base villain!”
“It’s not mine to undo. Now, quiet, Daddy’s going to tell you a story.”

Reluctantly Thor relaxed as he stopped twirling Mjolnir, although he kept it in his hand. He had been plucked from time moments before entering the Odin sleep, and apparently, he was severely de-powered, having returned to his normal level.

“Now, you ready to hear? Imagine this good looking bloke, looking a hell of a lot like me, if you want to know, lying in his bed, sleeping like a little ****ing baby. For once, his dreams aren’t a ****ing horror. He’s living in paradise when this pansy-arse white fellow shows up, telling the guy he’s the new Dream, and he’s got a job for him. Can you believe it? Tells him about this galactic tournament, and him gathering a little team, but he can’t be managing that full-time. So who does he turn to? Who does he tell to get his arse to the Tower of Dr. Fate?

“John bleedin’ Constantine. At your service.” At the end of his speech, he gave Thor a mock salute and flicked away his cigarette.

“A team doth require more… ‘recruits’.”
“Hey, you don’t need to tell me. They’ll be popping up in a sec. Boss has to pick them up all across realities and all.”

Just then, another light appeared in the Tower, beside Thor and when it dissipated, revealed the familiar form of the Vision. The android was even more disorientated as he looked around, and his inner sensors came to life, analyzing the place.

“Ah, friend Vision! It has been long since we last met.”
“Yes, it has been, Thor.” the Vision replied as his hands went over his mouth, neck and chest.
“Is something the matter, friend?”
“No. Before I was teleported here, I felt a strange sensation coursing through me, although it seems to have disappeared.” he spoke, while turning towards John Constantine “Although I am confused as to my being here.”

“No way in hell I’m doing my speech again. Thunder God here will fill you in.”
“It seems we have been summoned for a tournament once more, old friend.”
“Wait, you buggers done this before?”
“The Beyonder. The Grandmaster. The Brood Queen.”
“We are no stranger to these situations.”
“And who is it that summoned us this time?”
“Oh. Me name is John Constantine, and I work for this fellow called Dream. Or Daniel. Guy can call himself whatever he wants, but what matters is that he’s one of the Endless. They’re these seven entities that have been around since the beginning of time. His sister is Death, which you super-hero types might be familiar with as well.”
“We have met her before.”
“Cure little goth chick?”
“Robed skeleton woman.”
“Ahhhh.”

Just as the Vision wanted to enquire about any other people appearing, a bright light appeared beside him, which ended up revealing the form of Reed Richards, Mr. Fantastic.
“Guess the boss is rallying the boys of your universe first.”
“Uhm, Thor, Vision, would you mind telling me who this man is, where I am and why I cannot move from this place?”
“It seems we have once more been assembled to fight others in a grand tournament, friend Richards.”
“Again? And this man?”
“He refers to himself as ‘John Constantine’.”
“That’d be me.”
“And we’d be where?”
“Tower of Fate. Magic place.”
“Magic…”

“How many more of our compatriots can we expect, Mr. Constantine?” the Vision asked after the group had fallen silent for a moment.
“Oh, I figure one or two more from your universe, and another five to six from the other one.”
“Other one?”
“Other. One.” Constantine only replied as he lit another one of his cigarettes, and made sure to blow the smoke in the general direction of Mr. Fantastic.

At that moment, another light appeared beside Mr. Fantastic, which, when dissipated, gave way to the form of the woman called Magik. Instinctively she drew her sword and stood battle-ready.

“Hyperion!?” she questioned as she looked around.
“Well met, young lady. I fear your comrade is not here.”
“Good.” she responded, and she let her sword down. To the others it seemed like she dropped her guard, but instead, she was trying very hard to teleport and try to put her sword at someone’s neck.
“None of that teleporting business in here, girl.”
“And who are you?”
“Call me John Constantine. You’re here to fight in some tournament.”
“Again!?”
“What is it with you super-hero types, huh? This common stuff or something?”
“Are these my opponents?” Magik asked, ignoring Constantine, as she looked towards the others malevolently.
“That’s part of your team, girl.”
“Look more impressive than the Exiles.”
“Who, now?”
“Nevermind.”

“What is thine name, maiden?”
“Call me Magik. And I am not a maiden.”
“And your capabilities?”
“Teleportation. Magic.”
“More magic…”

Before Reed could sigh and go into a rant about magic, a bright light appeared once more, next to Magik, and it brought with it Spider-Man, powered by the cosmic entity known as the Uni-Power.

“ARGH! Still I am cursed with this power!” Peter Parker yelled as he sank to his knees. Just as the young superhero was at the point of ridding himself of his powers, he was teleported to this place.
“Spider-Man?”
“It seems our friend has been plucked from the time that he possessed the powers of Captain Universe. Verily, this ‘Dream’ is powerful.”
“What do you mean, Thor!? We were together just a minute ago.” Spider-Man responded as he got up and noticed his new team-mates looking at him in astonishment.
“A lot has transpired since thou held this power, young ally.”
“My sensors indicate that this Spider-Man has held the Uni-Power for a longer time than the one we know.”
“He’s from an alternate universe.”
“My analysis as well.”
“So who’s going to tell me what the hell is going on here!?”
“Big inter-universe tournament, yadda yadda.”
“And he is?”
“John Constantine.”
“Right.”
“It does seem that the gatherer of this team is able to traverse realities quite easily.”
“We should try not to learn too much about this Spider-Man’s reality. It could upset the timeline.”
“Oh, don’t worry about it. You buggers will be mind-wiped at the end of this anyway.”
“This guy is for real?”
“It doth seem so.”
“So, Constantine guy, at the end of this we’ll get back to our own realities and I can finally be rid of this power?”
“That’s the idea, mate.”

A short time later, Spider-Man and the group became acquainted, him easily fitting in with them, although Magik held herself aloof and to the side. Although she knew versions of them, she wasn’t all that familiar with them, even in her own world. Luckily for her, she would not be the only one as the a bright light once again appeared, but at a small distance away to the side of her.

The light flickered a bit before revealing the armour-clad form of Steel. Similar to the others before him, he was quite disorientated, although he was able to recognize the Tower as the one belonging to Doctor Fate.

“Ah, finally.”
“And who might you be?”
“Me name’s John Constantine and to save you the trouble: Those folks there are Thor, Vision, Mr. Fantastic, Magik and Spider-Man, in that order. One of the big guys of the universe wants you and these guys to compete in a reality-crossing tournament. Let that sink in for a bit, I’m going out for a smoke.”

“And why exactly can I not move from my place?”
“Magic.”
“We presume.”
“What is thine name, fellow?”
“You guys can call me Steel.”
“Well met.”
“So, uhm… Steel, what is it you ‘do’?”
“Well, this armor is capable of a lot, mostly emulating Superman’s powers.”
“And I see thou hath chosen the battle-hammer as thine main weapon. Perhaps we should test its mettle against Mjolnir a time.”
“Perhaps another time, Thor. His capabilities look to be similar to Iron Man.”
“Who’s ‘Superman’?”
“For that matter who’s ‘Iron Man’?”
“It looks like Steel here is from that ‘other’ universe Constantine spoke about.”

As Steel met the people from the Marvel universe and was told what they knew of the tournament, he noticed a distinct lack of them getting anywhere, and questioned the arrival of any new team-mates.
“So, who are we still waiting on?”
“We have no idea. We’re expecting four more people, assuming we’re going for a ten-man team.”

Just as Reed Richards offered up his theory, another bright light appeared, now beside Steel and when it dissipated, the form of the android Indigo stood in its place.
“Shift!?”
“Hold it, Brainiac.”
“What is happening? What is --” Indigo questioned before she gripped her head in pain.
“I’m sorry, that is my fault. I had to make sure your ‘Indigo-programming’ was running.”
“Brainiac is under my control. Although I cannot explain it, her programming is somehow being kept dormant by an outside force.”
“Yes, that seems to be the work of our gatherer. To answer your earlier question, apparently, we have been assembled to fight in this grand tournament. We will be your team-mates.” Steel spoke as he lowered his hammer again, although he remained cautious. The news of Brainiac 8’s attack on the Outsiders and Teen Titans had not gone untold in the superhero world.

As Indigo acquainted herself with her team-mates, they were able to discern, that she too had been plucked from a specific area of time, shortly before she had died in the hands of Shift, her lover. Some time later, again a bright light shone, but it was different, as for some reason, it seemed to run towards its designated spot and eventually revealed the form of Bart Allen, the Flash.

“Wow. Major time-trip.”
“Kid Flash?”
“Just Flash actually. What am I doing here?”
“Galactic tournament.”
“Figured.”

Suddenly, the Tower of Fate started to rumble and the garments of Doctor Fate suddenly appeared in the middle of the room. To the side of the room two lights appeared, brighter than any of the lights before, and when they dissipated, they revealed the form of Hector Hall and Deadman (although none but Hector, Thor and Magik could see him).

“I’m… back.” Hector slowly spoke as he looked around him.
“Hey, rube, aren’t those yours?” said Deadman as he pointed towards the familiar clothes of Dr. Fate.
“Yes. Yes, they are.” he replied as he outstretched his hands towards the vestments and they flew towards him, clothing him. It was quite an impressive sight as Hector now held in his hands the helmet of Fate.
“This is… Dream?”
“Oh no, that’s Daddy Dream.” John Constantine spoke as he returned to the room.

“Yes, you have been gathered here by my… son. We will be fighting in this tournament, of which Mr. Constantine here has undoubtedly informed you, on his behalf.” As Hector spoke, the magics holding the team bound to their place was undone and each could move freely again.

“We will fight with ten?”
“Thor? I see only nine? Or will Mr. Constantine be joining us?”
“Like hell.”
“Allow me to introduce… Deadman.” Hector said as he waved his hand, using his magic, so that the form of Deadman was shown to the others as well.

Over the course of the following minutes, the team introduced themselves to each other more, as they were now free to move. Suddenly, a pale man, clad in entirely in white, appeared.

“Daniel…”
“Good day to each of you. I am, what is referred to as your owner. You will be forced to face other teams on my behalf throughout the course of this tournament, although only five of you will be used for each of the games. Mr. Constantine has been ‘gracious’ enough to act as the contact between myself and you, for I am afraid that my duties as Dream require my attention.”
“Just remember what’s in it for me.”
“You will receive your boon at the end of this tournament, as well as these others, assuming they win.”
“Eh, and what shall we be called then?”
“You require a name that will speak to the imagination. Consider yourself the Gods and Men.”
“Ha!”
“Enjoy the time you still have before your match. We will meet at the end of your journey once more.” and with those words, the Lord of Dreams disappeared and the team was left to their own devices.

[XFanTim]

Good stuff, Harl :up:

[Harlekin]

Thanks Tim. :D

[Union Jack]

i think one on one week is a good idea...i am more than up for it!

10 V 10 i aint up for...to much of a pain in the arse to write for..20 characters in it...waaay too much..in one on one the story can be so much more concentrated!!

[AnnoyingSilence]

I did an entrance when my team first became Devistating Silence.

And., Just finished reading captain marvel 1-25(36-60).(Again)

I can't wait till i get a scanner again... Impressive stuff.

[AnnoyingSilence]

this week has been a great week for comics for me.

Out of The 230 Flash, I now only have 3 missing
I have the latest colossus mini(which was a great mini)
I have both DKB and DKSA TPBs.
I'm waiting on the final Ultimate Galactus TPB.
I bought Blood Ties and X-cutioners Song from JH(which i Very appreciated, concidering i offered 50 just for one and he gave me both TPBs).

[AnnoyingSilence]

I actually had nothing to read at work today.. It was wierd.. So i wrote up some ideas.... but just to build on the last idea i gave away (Thundastic)
I've also planned on 'Forgetal Lad' and 'Plastical'.

'Forgetal Lad' - Just like last season when i had Forge and Shimmer inside Mount Joy. I'm gonna have Misty say, ".gnieB elgnis a emoceb ot dnibmoc ,daL latnemelE dna egroF". (This idea given to her by Captain Marvel(Who gave her Cosmic Awareness(Which lets a Captain Marvel 'See' thousands of different possibilities(He is Thee Master of it.).).)

'Plastical' - Not in the same way, but i don't wanna go through that again(what i just explain for... See!? I'm doing it AGAIN!)

[Harlekin]

Forge and Element Lad combine to become a single being?

Up to your old tricks I see. ;) By the way, I'm pretty sure it should be:
"Egrof dna latnemelE daL, dnibmoc ot emoceb a elgnis gnieb."

[AnnoyingSilence]

Old tricks. New ways.

[XFanTim]

Would someone be allowed to pick up the Skrullian Skymaster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super-Skrull#The_Skrullian_Skymaster) from before he gave the power prism to Dr. Spectrum? (I'm not sure if he ever actually used the prism in the comics, but he did have it and presumably would know how to use it.) Basically, he'd be like Super-Skrull with GL powers.

[AnnoyingSilence]

um., no.

If he didn't use it in the comics he can't use it in here. The only way you can have (/w Power Prism), is if he actually used it in the comics.

Wea was complaining about the 3 page deals, but your didn't even happen.

[Grim Goblin]

so guys, is the new season starting this week-end or is it still up in the air?

[wiegeabo]

Well, we're back down to 15 teams. So we can't start until 16 are ready to go.


So get out there and start whoring yourselves for the cause! :p

[JewishHobbit]

Well, I know of a few good writers over in my tournament, so I'll ask around over there. Also, I'm still in it for now, but until I get a new job I'm strapped for time. The hours of this new job, plus watching my kids alone while I'm home is making any extra time slim and valuable. I'll try to keep up and all, but just be warned. If it's too overwhelming, or I fall too far behind with the DTL, I may have to drop. Sorry, but this is a recent thing that's really annoying me.

[wiegeabo]

If you need more time, I have a recipie for an Egg Nog ice cream (brandy included). It helps the kiddies fall asleep ever so quickly. ;)

[Grim Goblin]

gimme the recipe Wieg. If I have to bend over and take one for the cause I'm gonna need all the brandy I can find to block it out of my memory. :p

[JewishHobbit]

If you need more time, I have a recipie for an Egg Nog ice cream (brandy included). It helps the kiddies fall asleep ever so quickly. ;)

I may have to get back with you on that :up:

[XFanTim]

Things have been kinda dead here lately . . . so how about a little challenge to liven things up.

Build the weakest five-person starting lineup you can out of characters currently in the DTL. Two stipulations: (1) Your lineup must contain at least two ubers and one medium. (2) You can't pick more than two characters from any single person's team ('cause that's just mean)

Hopefully, no one will take it personally if someone from their team gets picked. The whole point of the game is that every team is pretty much stacked with powerful characters -- that's what makes it hard.

[XFanTim]

Oh, and ownerless teams are off limits.

I'm trying to come up with my five right now -- like I said, it's not easy.

[XFanTim]

OK, here goes . . .

Wonder Woman (DU)
Mary Marvel (DU)
Steel (DM)
Valkyrie (MR)
Union Jack (MR)

Not saying they're bad characters, but as a team they're really redundant -- basically a bunch of hand-to-hand fighters. Against a team with a mix of mages, energy wielders, teleporters, etc., these guys would probably get slaughtered.

Now someone else give it a go! :)

[JewishHobbit]

Valkyrie's been moved down to a Medium since I left.. surprising.

Heh, good memories. I had Ultraman beat her to death with her own horse back in season one. That was fun :)

Anyhow, I think I got a new player, POWdER-man sounds very interesting, and those of you who knows him from the Contest of Marvels knows that he's pretty good at these kinds of things. I'm going to ask him to post officially in here, and if he has any questions feel free to answer them. I'm a little rusty myself and can get confusing when I explain the rules... so he may need some incouragment.

[wiegeabo]

Powder would be a good addition to the league.

What a minute...







Powder had Loki! He took out my Surfer and Forge!!!

Before you even join Powder

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a11/wiegeabo/Doom-Banned.jpg

:p

[JewishHobbit]

Forge took out Molecule Man,... I think he had it coming :D

[XFanTim]

Play my game, dammit! :mad: :D

[POWdER-man]

Powder would be a good addition to the league.

What a minute...

Powder had Loki! He took out my Surfer and Forge!!!

Before you even join Powder

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a11/wiegeabo/Doom-Banned.jpg

:p


Don't worry Loki is getting pwned by hockey right now more so than Thanos...:(

Besides...

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/815/fut25qa1ht.gif

:p


So anyways I get this ring-a-ding-ling from the halfling, asking me if I wanted to join the DTL. To be honest I have seen this competition before but was always intimidated with the fact it involves DC, since I am an amateur as you can get with knowledge on DC.

So going against my better judgement I would like to sign up for this competition. However I will need some serious guidance. I will have to look over who has been picked. I already have some ideas of characters I want but I will have to figure out what I can fit into my team.

[wiegeabo]

Haha, welcome aboard.

Ok, very basic rules. Put together a team of 10 characters from the two universes (Marvel, DC). From you 10 characters, each week you'll put together a team of 5. The team of 5 must consist of 2 uber, 1 middleweight, and 2 regular characters. (The rankings aren't hard to figure out, and everyone helps rank characters when the question comes up). From each universe you must have at least 2 characters (2 Marvel or 2 DC).

Before the battle begins, you're team are only given the names and pictures of their opponents and 24 hours of prep-time. Then there is the battle (which can be as short or long as you want), then the voting. (Familiar, huh?).

[wiegeabo]

The teams on the update thread are a little out of date. For example, Mad Bull's team is the only one currently unowned. If you want to get a jumpstart, you can take over his team and make all the changes you want, or create a new team from scratch.

You can also trade characters with other owners if they agree on the swap. If a team is unowned, you can trade with them all you want, as long as you replace any character you take with one of equal rank from the same universe from your team.

[JewishHobbit]

Before the battle begins, you're team are only given the names and pictures of their opponents and 24 hours of prep-time. Then there is the battle (which can be as short or long as you want), then the voting. (Familiar, huh?).

What are you trying to say,.. that I copied or something,.. huh huh huh!??



OKAY I CONFESS,... I'M A LOW DOWN DIRTY COPYING WHORE!!!
























hey, why was my daughter at my computer? what was she typing.....

DEAR GOD,.. THE LANGUAGE!! ANNOYING SILENCE! :mad: WHAT HAVE YOU TAUGHT MY DAUGHTER!

I'm unique :D

[XFanTim]

Too see which characters have already been taken, go to the update thread (linked to from the first page of this thread -- you'll probably want to go ahead and bookmark it). If a team is marked N/A, that means the owner dropped out, and those characters are up for grabs. Of course, you can also bring in characters that have never been on anyone's team. The only restrictions are (1) they must be Marvel or DC (including stuff like Wildstorm), (2) they can't be too powerful (there's a list of "too ubers" on there that will help you get an idea), and (3) there can only be two versions of any given person at a time. So, if Spidey and Cosmic Spidey are both claimed, you can't take any version of Peter Parker. You could still get someone like Spidey 2099, since he's a different man, not a version of Parker.

If you're having trouble deciding who you want on your team, I'm sure we'll all be happy to make suggestions. Once you know who you want, you can claim them in the DTL Transactions thread. That's the thread for all the official actions (picking up characters, dropping characters, trading characters, etc.) This one's just for discussion.

Welcome aboard!

(Incidentally, you'll notice I don't have a team. I won last season -- go me :D -- but I'm sitting out this season and just helping Wieg with administrative stuff.)

[wiegeabo]

What are you trying to say,.. that I copied or something,.. huh huh huh!??



OKAY I CONFESS,... I'M A LOW DOWN DIRTY COPYING WHORE!!!
























hey, why was my daughter at my computer? what was she typing.....

DEAR GOD,.. THE LANGUAGE!! ANNOYING SILENCE! :mad: WHAT HAVE YOU TAUGHT MY DAUGHTER!

I'm unique :D


Someone needs an Egg Nog ice cream...;)

[JewishHobbit]

Someone needs an Egg Nog ice cream...;)

HAH!! Right now she does. I want to go to bed because I have to be up early, and she's playing with her magic wand while watching the Fresh Prince :(

[wiegeabo]

(Incidentally, you'll notice I don't have a team. I won last season -- go me :D -- but I'm sitting out this season and just helping Wieg with administrative stuff.)

Yeah, he used some excuse about planning a wedding or something. He just didn't want to lose the title this season. :p

[POWdER-man]

Thanks Wieg. Yeah it sounds quite similiar...;) Is the prep time, anywhere to be decided (home base) or is it near the battlefield? Is there access to the battlefield prior to the match?

So this is his team? Hmm....What levels are these guys listed?

Maestro (MU)
Composite (MU)
Maxima (DU)
Vampire Batman (DR)
Death Wolverine (MR)
Stryfe (MU)
Sand (DM)
Stellaris (MU)
Disruptor (DM)
Daxamite Green Lantern (DU)

[JewishHobbit]

Tim's getting married?!!! Coolness, congrats man!


Out for a season and I'm out of the loop :(

[JewishHobbit]

Thanks Wieg. Yeah it sounds quite similiar...;) Is the prep time, anywhere to be decided (home base) or is it near the battlefield? Is there access to the battlefield prior to the match?

So this is his team? Hmm....What levels are these guys listed?

Maestro (MU)
Composite (MU)
Maxima (DU)
Vampire Batman (DR)
Death Wolverine (MR)
Stryfe (MU)
Sand (DM)
Stellaris (MU)
Disruptor (DM)
Daxamite Green Lantern (DU)

Wow, that's a good team to begin with. MU - Marvel Uber, MM - Marvel Middle, MR - Marvel Regular. DC is the same, just replace M with D.

[POWdER-man]

HAH!! Right now she does. I want to go to bed because I have to be up early, and she's playing with her magic wand while watching the Fresh Prince :(

Hmm I think my littlegirl has the same princess wand...

Thanks guys for the welcoming party...:D

JH gave me a rundown of some of the rules already. But I know I will need constant reminders...;)

[wiegeabo]

And prep-time can either be on the battlefield (you just can't interact with the other team, but you can interact with the field), or at a location your team members would have access to (having Captain America means you could use Avengers Mansion and resources).

[POWdER-man]

Wow, that's a good team to begin with. MU - Marvel Uber, MM - Marvel Middle, MR - Marvel Regular. DC is the same, just replace M with D.

Man that makes sense....:rolleyes:

Here I was like WTF, MU = Marvel universe, DU = DC Universe. What the hell is the rest? lol

Ok that makes more sense. I will start off my claiming this team but I will be making some changes...

[wiegeabo]

Excellent, we're back up to sixteen teams.

Ok, I'd like to start the season next weekend, but seeing how that is Easter, I figure we could get it going the week after. Unless everyone wants to start next week.

[POWdER-man]

I would like to have a bit of time to mull over characters I want to get. But it's whatever you choose.

Plus what are some good DC websites to find information on characters?

[wiegeabo]

http://dccomics.com/secret_files/
http://www.mykey3000.com/cosmicteams/
http://captain.custard.org/league/php/autoindex.php?id=jfiles&mode=a2z
http://bluedevil.uatu.net/
http://www.starnet-database.com/
http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/1185/jfiles/
http://www.unstable.com/oraclewiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
http://www.comicboards.com/dcuguide/
http://www.dcuguide.com/index.htm
http://www.titanstower.com/
http://www.angelfire.com/ar/hellUSA/

[POWdER-man]

Thanks I guess that will be enough....:o




:D

[JewishHobbit]

Come on W,... that's all you could do? How lame :rolleyes:

Also, I'm alright with next weekend. I'm off friday for good friday, and my wife's off that monday, so I won't have to focus on the kids so much that morning. But if it's better for everyone else to start the week after, I'm good.

[Harlekin]

Welcome to the competition, Powder. I'm fine to start whenever you guys want.

[wiegeabo]

Here's the more complex rules. Actually, some of these are changes to old rules, and some are new, even to us veterans of the League. Take your time getting used to them.

Accepted:
No gender rule
Two from each universe in lineup (regardless of rank)
Theme weeks (probably a quarter of the matches, randomly chosen weeks and themes)
A few tubers squeezed back under the bar
Blind lineup submissions (with tokens)
Amalgam's allowed
10 point voting system (no tie votes allowed)

Under discussion:

Accepted Themes:
Full Disclosure
No Uber
Ambush
No prep-time
Battlefield prep-time
No universe restriction

Themes Under discussion:
Swap
Surprise week (first week of season)
Regs only
Short-handed
No Kill
Infinite Roster
Amnesia
One on One
Hostile Ground
Mind Swap
Last Man Standing



Now for a bit of explanation:
The gender rules said that your line up must have at least one female (and male) in each battle. That's no longer true.

The way we used to do lineups was the owners would post their lineup for the week in the transactions thread. And based on what your opponent put up, you could change yours. This sometimes led to owners waiting for the other to post first, or constant back and forth changes. This season we're trying blind submissions where you pm me your lineup before midnight Wednesday (pacific time). You learn you opponent's lineup when the battle is posted the next day. If you don't pm in time, your stuck with your lineup from the previous week. You also get two tokens to use during the season. A token lets you swap one character from your lineup with another on your team after the battle is posted (in case of obvious one-sided matches).

You can also use Amalgam characters. They count as Marvel or DC based on which company published the character's book.

Instead of voting for one team or another, you give each team a score out of 10 points (higher score means better writeup). The team with the highest score wins the battle. You can't vote for your own battle, nor can you give both teams the same score (you must pick a winner, even if only by a single point).


And then there are the Theme Weeks. Some weeks will be randomly selected to have a theme. The theme will also be randomly selected. Accepted themes are:
Full Disclosure (your team is given full knowldge of their opponents for prep-time)
No Uber (You must replace your ubers in the lineup with mediums for the match. Meaning you temporarily go to 12 characters so you don't have to give up any ubers you own)
Ambush (Your opponent picks your lineup for that week's battle)
No prep-time (Your team is dropped right into battle with their opponents with no time to prepare.
Battlefield prep-time (Your team still gets 24 hours of prep-time, but it must be taken on the battlefield. No going to a headquarters, unless it's part of the battlefield.)
No universe restriction (You can have as many characters as you want from one universe in your lineup. Could make it hard to prepare for characters from the other universe)

Themes under discussion are:
Swap (must fight with opponents lineup)
Surprise week (first week of season. You do not know who your opponent will be, much less their possible characters.)
Regs only (No uber or meds in battle. Temporarily go to 13 characters on your team.)
Short-handed (actually can't remember. I think you only get 4 characters on your lineup.)
No Kill (Take out your opponents however you want, but killing is forbidden.)
Infinite Roster (Create a lineup from any characters currently owned in the league. Your opponents may pick up the same characters as well.)
Amnesia (Your characters remember nothing about their opponents, even if they would normally know them)
One on One (The battle consists of five one-on-one matches. Winning three or more matches wins the battle.)
Hostile Ground (can't remember)
Mind Swap (Your characters minds are put into the bodies of another character in the lineup, your choice who goes where)
Last Man Standing (All 10 character fight in an all out brawl. The last character standing gets the win for their team.)

[wiegeabo]

One more thing while it's still on my mind. You can downgrade rankings if you want.

So you could have middleweights or regulars instead of ubers, or regulars instead of middleweights. Examples would be 1 uber, 2 meds, 2 regs; 1 uber, 1 med, 3 regs; 2 ubers, 3 regs; and many more...

It's not always useful to downgrade an uber, unless you need a specific power. (Roughneck is sort of famous for only using 1 uber.) Using 3 regs instead of 2 reg and a med is common.

[AnnoyingSilence]

DEAR GOD,.. THE LANGUAGE!! ANNOYING SILENCE! :mad: WHAT HAVE YOU TAUGHT MY DAUGHTER!:eek: How dare you!.. Ok. Ok... I taught her how to press caplock... And she probly heard the word "Whore" on one of me and my wifes... Kingky nights :D

[AnnoyingSilence]

You know what i like?Stryfe (MU)Everytime someone new comes in, they pick up my fav. character :D

[AnnoyingSilence]

http://dccomics.com/secret_files/
http://www.mykey3000.com/cosmicteams/
http://captain.custard.org/league/php/autoindex.php?id=jfiles&mode=a2z
http://bluedevil.uatu.net/
http://www.starnet-database.com/
http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/1185/jfiles/
http://www.unstable.com/oraclewiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
http://www.comicboards.com/dcuguide/
http://www.dcuguide.com/index.htm
http://www.titanstower.com/
http://www.angelfire.com/ar/hellUSA/ty.

[AnnoyingSilence]

I would like to have a bit of time to mull over characters I want to get. But it's whatever you choose.

Plus what are some good DC websites to find information on characters?I say the week after so he can get more situated

[wiegeabo]

You're welcome.

Have a bowl of Egg Nog ice cream. :D

[AnnoyingSilence]

:up: its on:up:

[XFanTim]

Thanks for the congrats, Hobbit :)

Random thought: M (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M_%28comics%29) (currently of X-Factor) could actually make a pretty good character. Superhuman strength (probably at least Spider-Man level), superhuman speed, flight, telepathy, telescopic vision, enhanced night vision, superhuman endurance, healing factor . . .
I didn't even know about some of those powers until I read her Wikipedia entry. The thing is, it's all low-level enough that one could make a case for her being a regular -- but that's a heck of a lot for a reg to have going for her.

[wiegeabo]

Oh yeah, I remember her from JH's tourney. She'd be a pretty good regular. Her telepathy is limited, probably enough for a personal mental shield or basic short range communication.

[AnnoyingSilence]

man.

[POWdER-man]

Nice info Wieg. I am curious, you list one of the downgrade's being 2 uber and 3 regulars, but wouldn't that be upgrading?

Congrats XFanTim btw....been there done that....my fifth year aniversary is coming next year and I am planning a surprise trip.....

I say the week after so he can get more situated

Did I ever tell you I love you...:O


Random thought: M (currently of X-Factor) could actually make a pretty good character. Superhuman strength (probably at least Spider-Man level), superhuman speed, flight, telepathy, telescopic vision, enhanced night vision, superhuman endurance, healing factor . . .
I didn't even know about some of those powers until I read her Wikipedia entry. The thing is, it's all low-level enough that one could make a case for her being a regular -- but that's a heck of a lot for a reg to have going for her.

Wow, yeah she is a pretty good character. I didn't think she could do all that.

[Ahura Mazda]

Congrats Tim, I hope you have a great ceremony and life therafter.

[POWdER-man]

Oh yeah you mention that the list is not updated for who has what character. Is there an updated list?

Plus do I ask in this thread or the other about power levels?

[Ahura Mazda]

By the way good luck Powder man and have fun

[POWdER-man]

Thanks ;) It should be fun. I am dropping the Contest of M, just going to help out administratively, so this seems to be easier to handle. I was debating 6-7 matches at a time with full debating. Tiresome to say the least.

The more I look at some the characters in my line up the more I find it difficult to decide who to let go and who I'd like to acquire.

[JewishHobbit]

Thanks for the congrats, Hobbit :)

Random thought: M (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M_%28comics%29) (currently of X-Factor) could actually make a pretty good character. Superhuman strength (probably at least Spider-Man level), superhuman speed, flight, telepathy, telescopic vision, enhanced night vision, superhuman endurance, healing factor . . .
I didn't even know about some of those powers until I read her Wikipedia entry. The thing is, it's all low-level enough that one could make a case for her being a regular -- but that's a heck of a lot for a reg to have going for her.

Yeah, back in Generation X her powers just kept changing and adapting to the situations, so she eventually had a butt load of powers. She can also blend with any of her three siblings to create a new being. Her two sisters blended to become her, the her, his two sisters, and older brother Emplate blended to become a new creature called M-Plate. That won't be any help here, but just so you know.

[wiegeabo]

Nice info Wieg. I am curious, you list one of the downgrade's being 2 uber and 3 regulars, but wouldn't that be upgrading?



No. You normally have 2 ubers, 2 regs, and 1 middle. Downgrading the middle to reg would give 2 ubers and 3 regs.

2u, 3r was how we did it during the first season, which is why it still pops up as an effective team.


X usually handles teams on the update thread, but he's been pretty busy lately. I think someone else had made a more updated version that maybe they could paste here.

[Ahura Mazda]

No. You normally have 2 ubers, 2 regs, and 1 middle. Downgrading the middle to reg would give 2 ubers and 3 regs.

2u, 3r was how we did it during the first season, which is why it still pops up as an effective team.


X usually handles teams on the update thread, but he's been pretty busy lately. I think someone else had made a more updated version that maybe they could paste here.


Yes but Wiegabo, one thing is in season 1 if I remember, there was no middleweight class and people like Ikaris were regs.

Sorry to but in the discussion. in any case, looking forward to reading the match ups.

[XFanTim]

Well I think it's at least mostly accurate . . . X (another of Wieg's lieutenants) periodically goes through the Transactions thread and records any changes in people's rosters. If you're wondering if a particular character has been claimed or let go without it being marked in the Update thread yet, then you can look at the last few pages of the Transactions thread . . . or just try to claim them and see if anyone objects.

You can ask about power levels in either thread. There's no rule against having miscellaneous DTL-related discussions in the Transactions thread, although we try to keep it from going as far off topic as this one sometimes does.

[XFanTim]

X usually handles teams on the update thread, but he's been pretty busy lately. I think someone else had made a more updated version that maybe they could paste here.
I think Corp was keeping an unofficial list that might be a bit more up to date.

[POWdER-man]

Well I think it's at least mostly accurate . . . X (another of Wieg's lieutenants) periodically goes through the Transactions thread and records any changes in people's rosters. If you're wondering if a particular character has been claimed or let go without it being marked in the Update thread yet, then you can look at the last few pages of the Transactions thread . . . or just try to claim them and see if anyone objects.

You can ask about power levels in either thread. There's no rule against having miscellaneous DTL-related discussions in the Transactions thread, although we try to keep it from going as far off topic as this one sometimes does.

Thanks! I like to get a feel on some of my past Contest of M players which I didn't notice anywhere.

Cassandra Nova
Psycho Man
Desak
Mister Sinister
Pagan (didn't have him but like him)

I don't see Kang or High Evolutionary either....

[XFanTim]

Cassandra Nova would be an uber, as are all top level psionics. Kang is an uber and a good one. He was on Blaze's team for a while in a previous season. High Evolutionary would be uber as well (unless he's too uber . . . I can't really remember what the full scope of his powers is). I don't know much about Desak, but he's definitely uber if he's allowed.

For Mister Sinister I'd probably guess medium but I'm not really sure. I'm not sure about the others.

[wiegeabo]

Nova, Desak, and Kang are top level ubers.

High Evolutionary may be pushing tuber. But he and Thanos seemed evenly matched, at least in the tourney, so HE may squeeze under the tuber bar like Thanos. We'd have to see how it goes with him since if he can only be used at tuber levels he'd jump over the bar. Unless anyone who knows him better can say one way or the other.

I think Sinister is a Med.

Psycho Man's a tough call. With his emotion powers alone he'd be a reg. But with his 200 foot suit and power increases, and the time he took down the Surfer...may come in as a Med. Again, need someone with more knowledge to speak up.

[JewishHobbit]

What about Sinister makes him a medium?

[POWdER-man]

OK I need a bit of help. I have never heard of Composite and I have tried several Marvel websites looking for information and I can't find anything. Does anyone have an idea where I can find info?

As well, I am having difficulty finding information on Daxamite Green Lantern and Vampire Batman.

From what I can tell, Death Wolverine has the all the same powers as Wolverine, but has cloaking capabilities and has a saber that shoots out energy....am I missing anything?

[POWdER-man]

What about Sinister makes him a medium?

- Scientific genius in a number of fields.
- Near-complete control of his body down to the cellular level—shapeshifting,
- regeneration,
- incredible resistance to injury.
- Telepathy and telekinesis.
- Immortal.
- His armour provides him with more resistance to physical and energy atttacks
- he can create shielding around himself
- he has repulsor beams that come from his palms.


Hey I like to get him as a regular but I don't think that's going to happen....

[wiegeabo]

OK I need a bit of help. I have never heard of Composite and I have tried several Marvel websites looking for information and I can't find anything. Does anyone have an idea where I can find info?

As well, I am having difficulty finding information on Daxamite Green Lantern and Vampire Batman.

From what I can tell, Death Wolverine has the all the same powers as Wolverine, but has cloaking capabilities and has a saber that shoots out energy....am I missing anything?


Death Wolverine was Logan when he was one of Apocalypses Four Horsemen. Not sure about cloaking and the sabre, but he did have super strength. Apparently he punched through an Adamantium door, but I haven't seen the proof of that.

[POWdER-man]

aww....here we go. Pretty brief but a better idea..

http://www.mutanthigh.com/death.html

[wiegeabo]

As for the Daxamite, I don't know the one in particular, but Daxamites as a race a much like Kryptonians. They have similar powers, but no weakness to Kryptonite. Instead, Daxamite's are weak against lead, and can be fatally poisoned by just a small amount of it.

Put a Green Lantern ring in the mix, and you've got a powerful uber.

[POWdER-man]

Would he still have weaknesses to lead with the ring or could the ring protect him?

I have already decided to switch two of my uber's and I am looking at changing one more. I am having a hard decision to figure which medium I want to take, and my regulars may stay the same.

[wiegeabo]

The ring would protect with a shield. The shield may be broken through, but he might still be able to clear the lead from his body with his ring. It all depends on the concentration and time he has. As well as the willpower (if he's already badly beaten up, it'll be much harder for him, like it is with all Lanterns).

[POWdER-man]

Cool, that helps out a lot. I am trying to get a better understanding of the final characters I wasn't sure of. The Composite is completely off my radar. The only thing I can find is from DC (instead of Marvel), the Composite Superman. Pretty good character but it's powers were only temporary.

[Harlekin]

Cool, that helps out a lot. I am trying to get a better understanding of the final characters I wasn't sure of. The Composite is completely off my radar. The only thing I can find is from DC (instead of Marvel), the Composite Superman. Pretty good character but it's powers were only temporary.
For the record, Composite Superman is also too uber.

Interested to see what your final team will be like.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Did I ever tell you I love you...:Ohttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/stupid%20stuff/Poop.jpg

[AnnoyingSilence]

Plus do I ask in this thread or the other about power levels?Doesn't matter. Just have to post trades in the other thread

[AnnoyingSilence]

What about Sinister makes him a medium?I say hes a reg. Hes morph with weak eye beams.
- Scientific genius in a number of fields. So?
- Near-complete control of his body down to the cellular level—shapeshifting Like Morph and Plastic Man
- regeneration Like Morph and Wolverine and Deadpool and NorthStar and M and ....
- incredible resistance to injury. Like Morph and Plastic Man
- Telepathy and telekinesis.Thats the first I've heard of that.
- Immortal. So?
- His armour provides him with more resistance to physical and energy attacks One Word. Ghost Rider.
- he can create shielding around himself You mean, by making it, with his scientific knowledge, during preptime
- he has repulsor beams that come from his palms.(and eyes)
Even if he had an optic blast as strong as Cy's, I'd still say hes a reg.

And why is Forge (Phallanx) a Medium? I say hes a reg too., unless you can wow me with some of a Phallanxs' feats.

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Death Wolverine was Logan when he was one of Apocalypses Four Horsemen. Not sure about cloaking and the sabre, but he did have super strength. Apparently he punched through an Adamantium door, but I haven't seen the proof of that.he punch throught a couple feet of adamantium with a bunch of strokes(enough that the people inside made a plan)

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Green Lantern (Kal-El) (DU). Is he from a one shot., or is he from a specific Issue?