Dream Team League (Discussion)

[Blacklight]

I think Wieg and Tim are probably talking through PM's right now.

And like I said, amazing team Khell.

Whatta think of mine.
Lots of Power players. I'm probably going to go out the first round against you.

[X]

Hah, why do you say that.

[wiegeabo]

I'll do it later tonight. I'm going to keep posting actively in here so I don't want to rack up 500 posts in the DTL Commish account.

Meh, just download another browser and use that for the commsh account. I use Safari.

[Khellendros]

Khell got the Enginner as a regular! She's a ****ing middleweight!You shut your whore mouth, monkey!

[X]

You shut your whore mouth, monkey!

Ignore the other post why don't you, whore.

[Khellendros]

Ignore the other post why don't you, whore.I'm lazy, gather your team so far into one post and I'll comment.

[X]

Forget it. Go **** yourself. :(

[Khellendros]

Forget it. Go **** yourself. :(Waaaahhh

[X]

What noise should I make for an incompetent who can't hit the back button and scroll up a bit after someone did for them?

****in' "Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuur"?.

[Blacklight]

Hah, why do you say that.
Because I don't know who your team is and they probably are alot stronger than most of my team (although Zatanna could put up a fight you'll never forget).

[wiegeabo]

Hey! Keep it civil in here.

*Looks around*

Oh, this is the DTL thead. Never mind. Carry on.

[X]

Because I don't know who your team is and they probably are alot stronger than most of my team (although Zatanna could put up a fight you'll never forget).

Black Alice could steal her powers and end the fight right there. It's been done in comics. ;)

Hey! Keep it civil in here.

*Looks around*

Oh, this is the DTL thead. Never mind. Carry on.

Is this getting done tonight or should we just stop wasting our time waiting?

[DTL Commish]

round 8

1. Dark Gog-----Mister Miracle
2. Nightwing-----Nightwing (DR)
3. XFanTim-----Darkchylde (Inferno) MR [Demonic version of Magik]
4. AnnoyingSilence-----NorthStar (Agent of Hydra) (MR)
5. Kaboom-----Blade
6. LadyVader-----Warlock (Jaine) (MU)
7. Khellendros-----Warblade (DR)
8. xman:blacklight-----Red Devil (Titans Tomorrow)
9. Leaguer/Corp-----Alan Scott (Final Night) (DU)
10. wiegeabo-----Vision (MM)
11. Fantomex-----Wolverine
12. X-----Shift (DM)
13. Harlekin-----Talisman (MM)
14. Who?-----Doom 2099 MM

[Khellendros]

Hahaha ****ing Shift and Imus as Regulars? Blow it out your ASS, X.

[X]

Shift's a middleweight, and I listed him as that.

Imus is a peak human with tons of tech. Most of them are normal.

But I'm glad you've got this entire thing down pat already and you know what you're talking about.

[X]

Not only did I list him as being a middleweight, he was just shown as one in that draft picks...!

Are you retarded out of curiousity, Khell.

[Khellendros]

Shift's a middleweight, and I listed him as that.

Imus is a peak human with tons of tech. Most of them are normal.

But I'm glad you've got this entire thing down pat already and you know what you're talking about.
I'm gonna **** you till you love me.

[DTL Commish]

Round 9

1. Dark Gog-----Tom Strong
2. Nightwing-----Gambit (MR)
3. XFanTim-----Vision (eXiles) MM
4. AnnoyingSilence-----Dr.Doom (Sorcerer Supreme) (MU)
5. Kaboom-----Nocturne
6. LadyVader-----Wiccan (MR)
7. Khellendros-----Wolverine (Death) (MR)
8. xman:blacklight-----Aquawoman (Titans Tomorrow)
9. Leaguer/Corp-----The General (DU)
10. wiegeabo-----Scarlet Witch (MM)
11. Fantomex-----Green Lantern (Hal)
12. X-----Patriarch (MR)
13. Harlekin-----Steel (DM)
14. Who?-----Inertia (SS) MR

[Khellendros]

Not only did I list him as being a middleweight, he was just shown as one in that draft picks...!

Are you retarded out of curiousity, Khell.No, but it is entirely possible I am posting while intoxicated.

[X]

I'm gonna **** you till you love me.

Hah, maybe I'll get lucky and the ****ing'll allow you to see what Shift's listed as being on here. ;)

Nice pick with Wolverine as death, by the way.

[X]

Round 9

1. Dark Gog-----Tom Strong
2. Nightwing-----Gambit (MR)
3. XFanTim-----Vision (eXiles) MM
4. AnnoyingSilence-----Dr.Doom (Sorcerer Supreme) (MU)
5. Kaboom-----Nocturne
6. LadyVader-----Praetor Lemnos (DM)
7. Khellendros-----Wolverine (Death) (MR)
8. xman:blacklight-----Aquawoman (Titans Tomorrow)
9. Leaguer/Corp-----The General (DU)
10. wiegeabo-----Scarlet Witch (MM)
11. Fantomex-----Green Lantern (Hal)
12. X-----Patriarch (MR)
13. Harlekin-----Steel (DM)
14. Who?-----Inertia (SS) MR

AnnoyingSilence already got Praetor Lemnos.

I'm glad I'm here keeping law and order with such important details. :(

[wiegeabo]

I just replaced Lemnos with Wiccan.

[DTL Commish]

Round 10

1. Dark Gog-----Dr. Fate (Hector Hall) (DU)
2. Nightwing-----Gorilla Grodd (DM)
3. XFanTim-----Havok (AOA) MR
4. AnnoyingSilence-----Stryfe (MU)
5. Kaboom-----Caitlin Fairchild
6. LadyVader-----Conner Hawke (DR)
7. Khellendros-----Midnighter (MR)
8. xman:blacklight-----Batman (Titans Tomorrow)
9. Leaguer/Corp-----Savitar (DU)
10. wiegeabo-----Morg (MU)
11. Fantomex-----Wild Child
12. X-----BION (DU)
13. Harlekin-----Beast (MR)
14. Who?-----Crusade MU

[X]

Round 10

1. Dark Gog-----Dr. Fate (Hector Hall) (DU)
2. Nightwing-----Gorilla Grodd (DM)
3. XFanTim-----Havok (AOA) MR
4. AnnoyingSilence-----Stryfe (MU)
5. Kaboom-----Caitlin Fairchild
6. LadyVader-----Conner Hawke (DR)
7. Khellendros-----Midnighter (MR)
8. xman:blacklight-----Batman (Titans Tomorrow)
9. Leaguer/Corp-----Savitar (DU)
10. wiegeabo-----Morg (MU)
11. Fantomex-----Wild Child
12. X-----BION (DU)
13. Harlekin-----Beast (MR)
14. Who?-----Gideon MU

Gideon was already taken, by Khell I believe.

Caitlin Fairchild is a middleweight, DC one. She's basically Wildstorm's Thing.

[X]

And Wild Child's very much a regular. Marvel Regular.

[Khellendros]

Also, ****ing hell, Lady Vader took a couple of picks I was really hoping for... Hmmmm.

[wiegeabo]

Replaced Gideon with Crusade.

[X]

She's a real *****, eh. Lololol. I kid!

....

lol.

[DTL Commish]

Round 11

1. Dark Gog-----Flash (Wally West) (DU)
2. Nightwing-----The Atom (Ray Palmer) (DR)
3. XFanTim-----Halloween Jack MR
4. AnnoyingSilence-----Plastic Man (Dark Knight Strikes Again) (DR)
5. Kaboom-----Elijah Snow
6. LadyVader-----Jenny Quantum (DU)
7. Khellendros-----Disruptor (DM)
8. xman:blacklight-----Red Arrow (Titans Tomorrow (Roy Harper))
9. Leaguer/Corp-----Karnilla (MU)
10. wiegeabo-----Scarlet Spider (MR)
11. Fantomex-----Husk
12. X-----Grimbor (DR)
13. Harlekin-----Quasar (MU)
14. Who?-----Interloper MM

[Khellendros]

She's a real *****, eh. Lololol. I kid!

....

lol.
She makes bad jokes and takes the picks I wanted. This can only end with one of us dying, or raping the other.

[X]

Crusade's a DU.

Fought Majestic and Union... He's Wildstorm.

[X]

And, yeah, don't be takin' my damn Gideon!

Dude, I'm like the hand of god tonight... No Engineer for you as a regular, and then bam! Save Gideon for you.

What he giveth, he also taketh away!

Ahhhhhh!

[X]

She makes bad jokes and takes the picks I wanted. This can only end with one of us dying, or raping the other.

Ahahaha, you do know her name right... Ladyvader...

Once the rape stops being homosexual people don't tend to find it funny anymore. :(

[DTL Commish]

And the final round!

*drum roll*


Round 12

1. Dark Gog-----Indigo (DR)
2. Nightwing-----Replicant (DU)
3. XFanTim-----Tempo MR
4. AnnoyingSilence-----Daisy Johnson (MR)
5. Kaboom-----Maul
6. LadyVader-----Captain Universe (The Hulk) MU
7. Khellendros-----"Uber" Cable (MU)
8. xman:blacklight-----Ravager (Titans Tomorrow)
9. Leaguer/Corp-----Firestorm (Jason Rusch) (DU)
10. wiegeabo-----Forge (MR)
11. Fantomex-----Captain Marvel
12. X-----Coronary (MR)
13. Harlekin-----Aztek (DR)
14. Who?-----Starhawk (merged) MU

[Blacklight]

Man I'm good! I have all my picks so far.

[X]

Beautiful.

Is that you, Tim? Wieg PM you everything?

[wiegeabo]

No, I finished it off. Didn't take nearly as long as I thought it would.

[Khellendros]

Dude, I'm like the hand of god tonight... No Engineer for you as a regular, and then bam! Save Gideon for you.

What he giveth, he also taketh away!

Ahhhhhh!Yeah, I think Ladyvader got her first anyways. Meh.

[X]

No, I finished it off. Didn't take nearly as long as I thought it would.

Ah... Thanks Wieg. I appreciate it. I'm sure most of us do. :)

I'll do the rosters tonight. Feel a little useful then, I guess.

[Who?]

Not bad.

[Blacklight]

I'm loving my team. This is the season of Zatanna and the Titans Tomorrow!

[DTL Commish]

Not bad.

Never explained the Dr. Strange thing to me.

[XFanTim]

I thought BION was ruled tuber after season 2 . . . although he's not listed on the tuber list, so maybe not. Great pick if he's legit.

Edit: I think he wasn't on anyone's team at the end of season two when we adjusted the bar. So maybe we never actually ruled on him one way or the other.

[DTL Commish]

There was never any discussion or making him too uber.

He's a one man Legion. Like Amazo is for the League. And considering their members are faaaaaaar weaker on the whole...

Not to mention BION can't copy powers.

[wiegeabo]

I'll hold off and see how BION is used. I remember that he can be abused, but we'll try him out as a litmus test. A test for what, I'm not sure. But I like saying 'litmus'.

[DTL Commish]

How can he be too uber?

He doesn't have instant kill powers. He's not Johnny Sorrow.

He's a high end stacked guy like Thanos with a lot of minor powers from the Legion.

[Who?]

Never explained the Dr. Strange thing to me.

X?

It was when he stopped calling on the Vishanti and had to find other powersources.

[DTL Commish]

Yeah, I'm working on the rosters.

Why not use Strange, the robotic Midnight Sons one?

[Who?]

I thought about using him but he is no good when it comes to prep.

[XFanTim]

I like the look of my team. Got basically everyone I wanted.

== The Deadly Dozen ==
Loki (The Reigning) MU
Zoom (Blitz) DU
Doomsday-Brainiac DU
Magneto MU
Hadrian (Daemonite) DM
Invisible Woman (Malice) MM
Vision (eXiles) MM
The Ghost MR
Darkchylde (Inferno) MR
Havok (AOA) MR
Halloween Jack MR
Tempo MR

Although like I said the change to Daemonite-possessed Hadrian probably isn't official until after week 1.

[DTL Commish]

Hardian's really an uber. I don't know if him being a Middleweight if a mistake or what.

If you're using his Majestic fighting body he's class 100. He was slugging it out with Majestic who's a planet mover himself.

He's got tons of older model bodies to fight with him, serious energy projection, and he's just as good a teleporter as Aza Chorn. He can fight and react in nano-seconds.

[LadyVader]

She makes bad jokes and takes the picks I wanted. This can only end with one of us dying, or raping the other.

Just tell me what are the other characters you wanted to that I take extra pleasure when I use them in battle.

PS: I lost Praetor Lemnos to AS, that's worse than a rape, and I don't freakin complain.

Thanks commish, this is pretty much more or less give or take semi-pseudo team that I wanted. :)

[XFanTim]

All I know is he's been middleweight as long as he's been in this thing. Let me do a search and see if his ranking was ever discussed...

[XFanTim]

Here's what Corp said about him:
Anybody here read Wildcats? If so, what are your thoughts on a ranking for Spartan after having merged with Void? I'd call him a solid middleweight since he's got crazy teleportation powers and some decent physical stats: mid-range strength, speed, and durability, energy blasts and energy shields that can't be used simultaneously, and immunity to telepathy because he's an android. After merging with Void, he gained pretty much unlimited teleportation powers. He's teleported himself, others, and specific things all over Earth, from Earth to a satellite, and from Earth to another dimension.

Oh yeah, he can fly too. But who the hell can't either fly themselves or find some means of transportation in their team's pooled resources, right?

One person posted they thought Corp's ranking was reasonable, and no one else commented one way or another.

[X]

Well, even as the head of Halo without a military grade body he's still a top tier teleporter, like Aza Chorn.

He's got the Void in him. Void itself is uber...

[X]

He can teleport things into pieces, he can teleport cosmic distances, through dimensions...

His corporate body is weaker. Maybe that lets him be a Middleweight.

But as Spartan, the one that fought Majestic... We're talking class 100 strength on top of everything.

[wiegeabo]

Just tell me what are the other characters you wanted to that I take extra pleasure when I use them in battle.

PS: I lost Praetor Lemnos to AS, that's worse than a rape, and I don't freakin complain.

Thanks commish, this is pretty much more or less give or take semi-pseudo team that I wanted. :)

Once I saw that you got Deadpool and Wonder Woman, I figured the rest would just be gravy.

[X]

No answer to my Bion question, eh.

[XFanTim]

Plenty of regs can teleport things into pieces (Blink, Patriarch, etc.), and port long distances. Lila Chaney can port galactic distances and is still a reg. So I'm not sure why teleportation by itself puts Hadrian as uber. And most of his other powers (energy blasts, energy shields, regeneration, etc.) seem fairly minor. Strength is a question, though. Does he have any strength feats to match Majestic's, or are you just going on the fact that he seemed even with him in that one fight?

Anyway, I concede that if he is a medium, then he's an absolutely top notch medium. That's the whole reason I drafted him. I'll be a little irritated if a guy who was always ranked medium gets upgraded after I pick him.

[XFanTim]

No answer to my Bion question, eh.
I just remember a bunch of people regarded BION as one of the most powerful characters back in season two, when we had Odin and Dr. Manhattan and such in this thing. (Search BION and you'll see he comes up in some discussions of who the top characters are).

He has the powers of the whole Legion, so that means the combined strength/speed of Superboy, Mon-El, and Ultraboy, right? That makes him an absolute top notch bruiser, plus he gets all the other Legion powers too?

Also, Amazo is still tuber so far as I know, so saying "He's weaker than Amazo" doesn't necessarily prove he's legit.

[X]

Plenty of regs can teleport things into pieces (Blink, Patriarch, etc.), and port long distances. Lila Chaney can port galactic distances and is still a reg. So I'm not sure why teleportation by itself puts Hadrian as uber. And most of his other powers (energy blasts, energy shields, regeneration, etc.) seem fairly minor. Strength is a question, though. Does he have any strength feats to match Majestic's, or are you just going on the fact that he seemed even with him in that one fight?

Anyway, I concede that if he is a medium, then he's an absolutely top notch medium. That's the whole reason I drafted him. I'll be a little irritated if a guy who was always ranked medium gets upgraded after I pick him.

Neither Blink or Patriach can teleport long distances. Both have combat applications for their power, but Blink once took hours to teleport hundreds of miles and Patriach's a close combat guy.

Aza Chorn. He's an uber. Spartan has just as much control and power. Aza's never even been shown going through dimensions. Spartan has.

And the Void... Ever read Captain Atom Armageddon? See when the universe was dying at the end?

The Doctor couldn't do anything.

Jenny Quantum died trying to stop it.

Void shows up and casually stops it, saving everything.

Void's powerful.

Anyway, Spartan beat Majestic. Majestic's one of the very good ubers in this thing. Planet mover.

Spartan beat him in a fist fight and was fighting the guy in-between nanoseconds. Nasty combination.

[XFanTim]

Regarding Super Skrull as a middleweight -- when was this decided? I know you argued he should be, but last I saw he was still ranked uber (which is what he always was in previous seasons).

If he has the combined powers of the Fantastic Four (two mediums and two good regulars), only stronger, then I'd think that makes him uber.

[wiegeabo]

Yeah, Skull's an uber. A low uber, but an uber.

[X]

I just remember a bunch of people regarded BION as one of the most powerful characters back in season two, when we had Odin and Dr. Manhattan and such in this thing. (Search BION and you'll see he comes up in some discussions of who the top characters are).

He has the powers of the whole Legion, so that means the combined strength/speed of Superboy, Mon-El, and Ultraboy, right? That makes him an absolute top notch bruiser, plus he gets all the other Legion powers too?

Also, Amazo is still tuber so far as I know, so saying "He's weaker than Amazo" doesn't necessarily prove he's legit.

Andromeda, Mon and Ultra Boy.

Thanos is widely considered to be at least three times stronger than top tiers. Host of other powers as well.

Bion's powers are varied, but mostly belong to regulars. He can generate low end lightning. He can eat matter (WooT!) He can project illusions.

That kind of thing.

[X]

Yeah, Skull's an uber. A low uber, but an uber.

But you listed him as a friggin' middleweight and dashed my hopes...!

So I have to wait to drop him, correct.

[XFanTim]

Neither Blink or Patriach can teleport long distances. Both have combat applications for their power, but Blink once took hours to teleport hundreds of miles and Patriach's a close combat guy.Don't know when that was with Blink . . . I'm pretty sure I've seen her teleport from the earth to the moon instantly, and I've seen bios making that claim as well.

Patriarch has teleported miles before. When he first appeared in Ghost Rider, the good guys went to him to get him to take their side against Zarathos, but he teleported away to Zarathos lair and swore allegiance to him instead.

I will concede that the difference is they can't teleport other people who aren't in their line of sight (or in Blink's case, who she hits with her teleport-spears).

There are also reg level interdimensional teleporters, like Magik.

Hell, Pip the Troll can teleport anywhere (including other dimensions), and take others along for the ride. Post-resurrection he also had Spider-man level strength. But he's still a reg.

My point is, teleportation just hasn't ever been rated that highly in the DTL when it comes to ranking characters. With the exception of Aza Chorn, I guess.

But meh, if I have to have Hadrian as an uber, I'll probably keep him -- it'll just mean I'll write him stronger than I otherwise would.

[XFanTim]

Skrullian Skymaster is still a medium if you want him, X.

As for BION I guess it depends how you write him. He may have been somewhat exaggerated in Season 2 because he was going up against such ridiculous powerhouses.

[X]

She's been toned down since then. See her going against another group of Exiles, needing to get them to safety and then spending hours porting again and again and again to get hundreds of miles away.

I don't know why you keep missing the strength bit? He beat a guy who moves planets in a fist fight. You can punch holes in Spartan and knock his jaw off and he can continue to fight. He has teleportation mastery. I'm not talking about 15 miles, or 50, I'm talking about through dimensions, all of them. Time. Space. Things into pieces. All capable of being done in nano-seconds by his mind.

He's also got tougher military grade bodies. One was so durable Caitlin Fairchild couldn't even scratch the paint on it. A Shaper had to resort to attacking it internally to damage it.

Shapers. As in the guys with weapons sharper than adamantium.

[X]

Skrullian Skymaster is still a medium if you want him, X.

As for BION I guess it depends how you write him. He may have been somewhat exaggerated in Season 2 because he was going up against such ridiculous powerhouses.

WHY is he a middleweight and not the Skrullian Skymaster?

[XFanTim]

If Hadrian really is on Majestic's strength level then sure, he's uber. Like I said, I mainly know him from Corp's portrayal, and Corp called him "mid-range" in strength, speed, etc. I don't know that I'd assume he's "Class-100" just because he beat Majestic. I mean, physically weaker characters manage to beat stronger ones all the time. How did the fight go down? Did he actually KO him with a punch, or what? Any mitigating circumstances, like "I'll use my android senses to find the perfect spot to hit him?" Or was it really just "I'm so strong I can knock out Majestic."

[XFanTim]

WHY is he a middleweight and not the Skrullian Skymaster?Corp claimed Skymaster had no forcefields and couldn't turn anyone invisible but himself.

[Dark Gog]

Imus is a peak human with tons of tech. Most of them are normal.

Peak human? He can stop a running airplane dead in its tracks during take-off.

Some interesting teams. I appreciate the special consideration, if that's what it was, but.. my team does not actually resemble my draft list, and I see little reason* as to why for the most part. My original message:

Hi.

I'm not entirely sure how this is done, but I figure I may as well cover my bases and send this in now:

Uber:
Moonstone Zemo
Ares (DC)
Elemental Firestorm

Mid-tier
Reed Richards
Animal Man
B'wana Beast

Street-level
Black Panther
Batman
Mister Miracle
Tom Strong
Spider-Man
'Awn the Blink (Vertigo inventor. Should those count in the second bracket, I'll take him there.)


With Kent Nelson (Uber), Metron (Mid-Card for Reed), Captain America and Holden Carven (Street) serving as my back-ups if necessary.

I expect to have little competition for 'Awn and Bwana, so if draft order is important, I'll take them towards the end.



*That's right, get used to it.

[X]

If he really is on Majestic's strength level then sure, he's uber. Like I said, I mainly know him from Corp's portrayal, and Corp called him "mid-range" in strength, speed, etc. I don't know that I'd assume he's "Class-100" just because he beat Majestic. I mean, physically weaker characters manage to beat stronger ones all the time. How did the fight go down? Did he actually KO him with a punch, or what? Any mitigating circumstances, like "I'll use my android senses to find the perfect spot to hit him?"

Corp seemingly only read Wildcats 3.0. He's not even Spartan there. In his own words he wears a "flesh suit", not one of his more powerful bodies.

He was class 100 because he physically drew blood from Majestic with one punch. Sent him flying over the skyline with one punch, having him remark, amazed, at how strong Spartan was. It was very obvious they were physical peers.

He knocked him out after a back and forth fist fight by basically smashing his face into a wall. Spartan could keep it up because he could lose limbs and parts of himself. Majestic couldn't fight at that pace like Spartan.

[X]

Peak human? He can stop a running airplane dead in its tracks during take-off.

In his first Silver Age appearance where he was more or less a completely different character from what he'd become.

He didn't demonstrate any superhuman strength in later appearances. He was potrayed as a highly skilled human (A nine foot tall one) relying on tech and advantage of catching everyone off-guard.

Even if he continued to be as strong as he originally was, that's not beyond, say, Captain America's highest strength feat. Hello ICMB throw.

[Dark Gog]

I'm not sure whether Tom Strong fits here. He's an ABComics character (published under Wildstorm and then DC), and I momentarily forgot about the DC/Marvel greater universe rule when I put him in. Just as I did about the Cripplenaut..

[X]

Corp claimed Skymaster had no forcefields and couldn't turn anyone invisible but himself.

I remain dissapointed.

[X]

Do you have a name for your team, Gog?

That goes for everyone else too. Let me know them.

[Dark Gog]

In his first Silver Age appearance where he was more or less a completely different character from what he'd become.

He didn't demonstrate any superhuman strength in later appearances. He was potrayed as a highly skilled human (A nine foot tall one) relying on tech and advantage of catching everyone off-guard.

Even if he continued to be as strong as he originally was, that's not beyond, say, Captain America's highest strength feat. Hello ICMB throw.

He was actually three-meters high or more by the Busiek story, which referenced that first story rather extensively.

And is that truly how we'd judge Captain America's abilities?

[Dark Gog]

In his first Silver Age appearance where he was more or less a completely different character from what he'd become.

He didn't demonstrate any superhuman strength in later appearances. He was potrayed as a highly skilled human (A nine foot tall one) relying on tech and advantage of catching everyone off-guard.

Even if he continued to be as strong as he originally was, that's not beyond, say, Captain America's highest strength feat. Hello ICMB throw.

He was actually three-meters high or more by the Busiek story, which referenced his first apearance rather extensively.

And is that truly how we'd judge Captain America's abilities here?

[X]

What he did doesn't show massive superhuman strength. You know how things are with street level guys. To to me it's a Silver Age writer being ridiculous with a nine foot tall guy. "Omgz look how ****ing strong he is!!!1"

He isn't a mutant, doesn't have powers... I just don't see those things applying to him. I think he's a massive dude who uses a lot of stolen tech.

Even if he did have low end superhuman strength that wouldn't bump him up being a middleweight.

Is Prometheus a middleweight? Nope.

[Dark Gog]

Sorry about that. The board did freeze for everyone else earlier, right?

Do you have a name for your team, Gog?



Let's just wait until I have it sorted-out first, shall we?

[X]

Sorted out...?

Hokay.

Board did freeze.

[Dark Gog]

It was not low-end, and I take it to mean what was shown, especially since Marvel's never had the problems with its classifications that we do, and taking his origin and will into account.

Prometheus' 'powers' for the most part only let him beat-up on most other streets, so I fail to see the correlation.

[Dark Gog]

Sorted out...?


As I said, I have people I did not ask for, and seemingly legitimate picks ignored.

[DTL Commish]

As I said, I have people I did not ask for, and seemingly legitimate picks ignored.

I think you misunderstood how the draft worked, Gog.

You were supposed to list dozens of characters. Most of us listed over a hundred.

[DTL Commish]

It was not low-end, and I take it to mean what was shown, especially since Marvel's never had the problems with its classifications that we do, and taking his origin and will into account.

Prometheus' 'powers' for the most part only let him beat-up on most other streets, so I fail to see the correlation.


Prometheus is a normal human who's tech allows him to decimate top tiers with a little planning.

[DTL Commish]

Your Attention...!

The rosters have been completed. See them here - http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=285281

Any mistakes, incorrect rankings, please let us know.

There are still a few character there that ranking weren't assigned to, and that I don't know where to place. Rose Tattoo for example.

There are a minor tweaks for now, but those'll be ironed out soon.

Enjoy!

[Dark Gog]

I think you misunderstood how the draft worked, Gog.

You were supposed to list dozens of characters. Most of us listed over a hundred.

Right, but if some of them weren't picked, why would those characters not go directly to me?

Also, is Firestorm intentionally not listed as Elemental on my roster? And can I use Tom Strong?


Prometheus is a normal human who's tech allows him to decimate top tiers with a little planning.


Sure, but that doesn't seem to be the aspect of his character that X was asking about.

[LadyVader]

Your Attention...!

The rosters have been completed. See them here - http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=285281

Any mistakes, incorrect rankings, please let us know.

There are still a few character there that ranking weren't assigned to, and that I don't know where to place. Rose Tattoo for example.

There are a minor tweaks for now, but those'll be ironed out soon.

Enjoy!

Deadpool (MR)
Wonder Woman (JLA/Witchblade) (DU)
The Engineer (DM)
Nemesis (DR)
Zeitgeist (MR)
Miss Martian (DM)
Warlock (Jaine) (MU)
Wiccan (MR)
Conner Hawke (DR)
Jenny Quantum (DU)
Captain Universe (The Hulk) (MU)

I'm not mathmetician but I think that's 11 characters. :) You forgot Green Lantern (Bruce Wayne) DU

[X]

Is Tom Strong in the Marvel or DC Multiverse?

No, you've got Elemental Firestorm. Let me tweak that.

By the way, that was me in the Commish account. :)

[X]

Deadpool (MR)
Wonder Woman (JLA/Witchblade) (DU)
The Engineer (DM)
Nemesis (DR)
Zeitgeist (MR)
Miss Martian (DM)
Warlock (Jaine) (MU)
Wiccan (MR)
Conner Hawke (DR)
Jenny Quantum (DU)
Captain Universe (The Hulk) (MU)

I'm not mathmetician but I think that's 11 characters. :) You forgot Green Lantern (Bruce Wayne) DU

Yeah, I was bond to make a mistake or two. Lot of scrolling and crap. Sorry.

[Dark Gog]

BTW, with people like Amazo and Absorbing Man black-listed, I figured that the more complete power-stealers were banned. I guess I should have paid closer attention to the specific versions noted.

[X]

Normal Absorbing Man isn't banned. Only his hyper competent Earth X incarnation.

I have no idea why he's too uber either. He didn't do anything placing him that high. I planned on contesting it.

[Dark Gog]

Is Tom Strong in the Marvel or DC Multiverse?


As said, I'm not entirely certain. He may be, for the same reasons that Wildstorm is. I'm not sure whether ABC ever interacted with WS.

By the way, that was me in the Commish account. :)

Big man in your little armor, aren't ye' now?

[X]

Not really...? I was talking to you while updating the roster thread.

Let me know if he's in either multiverse.

[Dark Gog]

..I was joking?

[X]

Hah. Eh... Hard to tell sometimes.

[Dark Gog]

Animal Man seems to have been listed three seperate times.

[Dark Gog]

Hah. Eh... Hard to tell sometimes.

Because my wit be ever so dry?

[X]

It's very British. :)

[X]

Animal Man seems to have been listed three seperate times.

Yeah, we need to clear that up.

[AnnoyingSilence]

so, the trading block is closed until week2?

[X]

I'm curious about that too. I was wondering if that'd count in regards to roster changes.

[AnnoyingSilence]

oops

[Ahura Mazda]

Just pne thing I noticed my name was ommitted where as I am on a team with Khell especialy as our list was a concerted effort.

[X]

Gah, well, Wieg didn't show that your team was a co-owned one during the draft.

I'll fix that.

[Kaboom]

i just saw wieg drafted Morg. can i draft dew?

[TheCorpulent1]

So I'm off to a great start with an utterly terrible team. Things bode well for me this season.

Sorry I didn't turn in the merged draft list. I got about halfway done, then left it on my work computer and forgot to e-mail it to myself. But I had my separate lists on my computer at home, so I figured I'd just start over there where I had more time anyway. So, of course, when I get home, my computer's stuck in its boot screen and giving me messages about a hard drive error. I couldn't figure out what was wrong with it, so I actually haven't had access to the internet until about 15 minutes before right now. I used those 15 minutes to see what was going on over the ridiculously large number of pages I missed over one night.

I don't suppose I could be allowed to trade so I could create a legal team for my first match, since I got such a ****ty team due to circumstances beyond my control.

Anyway, regarding Hadrian, he's not uber. Even when he was possessed by Daemonites, he's not uber. Here's why:

- He's a middleweight in strength. X neglected to mention that that time he fought Majestic, he had a literal army of other Spartan androids backing him up, all of whom Majestic tore through without too much trouble before beating Hadrian himself down in the end (in a harder fight, granted). Hadrian lost that fight against Majestic with an entire army of android bodies, all of which were identical to the one he was using at the time, which implies they were all the same model and all had the same strength. The fact that he drew blood against Majestic is impressive, but we've seen other middleweight-strength characters hold their own against ubers and do a lot more than just draw blood in other comics.

- He's only ever been shown teleporting whole objects. Yes, his teleportation range and ability are impressive--he once teleported a cigarette out of Grifter's mouth from halfway around the world. But he can't teleport parts of things, or at least he never once did in the Wildcats v3.0 series or his appearance in Majestic's comic, so we can assume for the purposes of the DTL that he can't teleport pieces of things. Lord knows it would've helped him in that fight against Majestic, which, again, he lost.

- Claiming he's uber because Void's an uber doesn't really work. He used Void's power in different ways and didn't display some of the abilities Void herself had. He never used precognition, and he never displayed anything beyond his usual level of energy projection in his Spartan android body. It's possible he was holding back, but it's equally possible that the Void entity just works differently in different hosts. We can speculate all we like, but the fact remains that in the comics, he didn't use his powers to the level Void did except for teleportation.

So yeah, he's powerful, but he's not an uber, just a great middleweight. He's been called the best middleweight in the DTL for a reason.

[X]

He teleported a possessed Ladytron into pieces casually, Corp.

The very first punch of the Spartan/Majestic fight had Majestic sailing off into the distance, laid out on his back with blood running out of his nose. This is not your "The Thing hangs in there with the Surfer or the Hulk" moment. This is Spartan being a clear cut top tier powerhouse.

Where are you getting this crap about all of those bodies being identical from? He sent every single one of them against Majestic because they were weaker that his main body. Hence the fact that there were a dozen of them, and they destroyed themselves ramming into walls of ice.

I think you can clearly see the difference between the old Spartan models he destroyed casually and the main model that rocked Majestic's god damned world with one punch and then BEAT him in a fist fight.

[X]

If Spartan's a middleweight, Aza Chorn better god damned be one.

Aza can't travel through dimensions.

Spartan can.

Spartan is more durable AND can regenerate.

Spartan is stronger.

Spartan even reacts as quickly as Aza does. In-between nanoseconds.

It's funny, Aza Chorn is too uber for this thing but someone that can do EXACTLY what he can plus class 100 strength, a nearly impossible to destroy robotic body, regeneration, dimension hopping, access to other bodies, and other things is a middlweight.

[Who?]

Caitlin hit Spartan and failed to even move him. When she hit Majestic she was able to at least move him.

[Kaboom]

where do i go to find out my rankings?

i'm going to assume majestic and nate grey are ubers?
dowling, rose tatoo, apollo are middleweghts
blade, maul, fairchild, drummer, snow, nocturne are regs.


but i also have an amped up spartan so i need to know where he falls as well

[X]

where do i go to find out my rankings?

i'm going to assume majestic and nate grey are ubers?
dowling, rose tatoo, apollo are middleweghts
blade, maul, fairchild, drummer, snow, nocturne are regs.


but i also have an amped up spartan so i need to know where he falls as well

We never even saw Dowlings power. He's an evil Reed Richards who can lay worms in peoples heads.

Regulars, man.

Maul's an uber. Did you miss him having the advantage no Majestic?

[X]

Caitlin hit Spartan and failed to even move him. When she hit Majestic she was able to at least move him.

Honestly, pitch in more than that here. I think it's absurd that it was just said that every single Spartan Majestic fought was on the same level. Da' ****?

[Kaboom]

We never even saw Dowlings power. He's an evil Reed Richards who can lay worms in peoples heads.

Regulars, man.

Maul's an uber. Did you miss him having the advantage no Majestic?

ok, maul is an uber? weiiiiiiiiiird.

im pretty psyched with my team. for all you wildstorm haters, theres gonna be a reckoning!

i just better not get hit with marvel/dc bias.

[X]

You know Crusade, right?

Guy that gets more powerful the more you throw at him?

Was beating Majestic and Union at the same time?

Maul had the advantage on Crusade at only 50 feet.

[Kaboom]

oh and from what i remember about dowling, if you think it then he knows it, if youve been near him, his "worm" can ripen at any time and control you, and you wouldnt even know it.

[X]

He can control people if he can get within two feet of you.

Yeah, he's a regular. :huh:

[Kaboom]

sweet. what do you thnk of my team X?

keep in mind this is my first dtl

[Who?]

Honestly, pitch in more than that here. I think it's absurd that it was just said that every single Spartan Majestic fought was on the same level. Da' ****?


They weren't on the same level. Not even close. We know that Spartan's upgraded body he got in 2.0 was not one of the everyday models.

I would put Maul at DM. He can only match Maj if he gets really big and we all know he gets really stupid at that point. He has no healing factor and has been burnt badly on two seperate occasions. Durability is kind of a ?

[Kaboom]

dm?

[X]

They weren't on the same level. Not even close. We know that Spartan's upgraded body he got in 2.0 was not one of the everyday models.

I would put Maul at DM. He can only match Maj if he gets really big and we all know he gets really stupid at that point. He has no healing factor and has been burnt badly on two seperate occasions. Durability is kind of a ?

Hulk isn't a middleweight because he's stupid. Rankings are more or a power than a brains thing.

Maul's shown himself to be vastly class 100 a dozen times over. He's 50 feet tall and talking on Crusade. Winning. You know who Crusade is.

****, in a crossover he KILLS The Hulk. Squeezes him to death.

sweet. what do you thnk of my team X?

keep in mind this is my first dtl

You've got a great team. Better than my original team. :)

[Who?]

Hulk isn't a middleweight because he's stupid. Rankings are more or a power than a brains thing.

Maul's shown himself to be vastly class 100 a dozen times over. He's 50 feet tall and talking on Crusade. Winning. You know who Crusade is.

****, in a crossover he KILLS The Hulk. Squeezes him to death.

Hulk is insanely durable and his healing factor is incredible. He can jump and all that as well. Maul doesn't have any of that. Hulks base strength is also a lot higher then Mauls.

That Hulk he crushed was nowhere near as durable as the regular Hulk.

[Harlekin]

1. Dark Gog-----Baron Zemo (Moonstone) (MU)
Limey bastard. Didn't think anyone would pick him.

Harl picked Ult. Quicksilver? Isn't he the incestuous one?:woot:
Ahahahaa, that's why he picked him.
He's also a ruthless bastard that can go like mach 5.

My team:
Team Alpha Wolf Squadron
Nova (MU)
Thor (MU)
Quasar (MU)
Talisman (MM)
Ultimate Quicksilver (MM)
Aquaman (DM)
Steel (DM)
Beast (MR)
Cyclops (MR)
Animal Man (DR)
Aztek (DR)
Mr. Terrific II (DR)

Still lucked out with Quasar. Too bad I couldn't get Miss Martian, who by the way, should be an uber, not a med.

[X]

Hulk is insanely durable and his healing factor is incredible. He can jump and all that as well. Maul doesn't have any of that. Hulks base strength is also a lot higher then Mauls.

That Hulk he crushed was nowhere near as durable as the regular Hulk.

Maul can become stronger a lot quicker than The Hulk. Growing >>> Anger that varies constantly.

You act like two low durability showings break Maul as a character. We've seen him take hits from how many top tiers? Mighty Man, Majestic, Crusade.

None of those three could even slow him down. Crusade is damn near Thanos level.

Let Maul loose on the battlefield, have him grow, and you've got one of the strongest powerhouses in this game.

[X]

He's also a ruthless bastard that can go like mach 5.


Better off with Isotope E Quicksilver. He's a lot faster than Ultimate Quicksilver, still a medium though.

[X]

Hulk is insanely durable and his healing factor is incredible. He can jump and all that as well. Maul doesn't have any of that. Hulks base strength is also a lot higher then Mauls.

That Hulk he crushed was nowhere near as durable as the regular Hulk.

Grrr, do you know where the Majestic/Spartan scans would be on the ICT?

I want to post a few of them but Xeres seemingly doesn't have them up anywhere.

[Harlekin]

Better off with Isotope E Quicksilver. He's a lot faster than Ultimate Quicksilver, still a medium though.
Meh. Ultimate's speed is more natural, he's more ruthless, and he's actually faster. Even Isotope E Quicksilver only went up to mach 5. Ultimate Pietro boasted he could reach mach 10 as a kid.

[X]

More natural?

616 Pietro's older than Ultimate Quicksilver if anything. Hence, more experience.

I really don't think you've seen some of Isotope Quicksilver speed feats. Guy was running away from Exodus' telepathy.

[Who?]

Maul can become stronger a lot quicker than The Hulk. Growing >>> Anger that varies constantly.

You act like two low durability showings break Maul as a character. We've seen him take hits from how many top tiers? Mighty Man, Majestic, Crusade.

None of those three could even slow him down. Crusade is damn near Thanos level.

Let Maul loose on the battlefield, have him grow, and you've got one of the strongest powerhouses in this game.

We have seen Hulks anger triple much faster then we have seen Maul grow really big.

Actually all three did fine against him. Crusade damn near knocked his ass out in the beginning and we never saw him punch Maul at all when he got that big.

Mighty man was clearly the superior until the end.

[Who?]

Grrr, do you know where the Majestic/Spartan scans would be on the ICT?

I want to post a few of them but Xeres seemingly doesn't have them up anywhere.


I don't know where they would be. Try asking Xerxes..

[Harlekin]

More natural?

616 Pietro's older than Ultimate Quicksilver if anything. Hence, more experience.

I really don't think you've seen some of Isotope Quicksilver speed feats. Guy was running away from Exodus' telepathy.

As in not derived from an outside agent (Isotope E in this case). I'll admit that's an impressive feat though.

[X]

We have seen Hulks anger triple much faster then we have seen Maul grow really big.

Actually all three did fine against him. Crusade damn near knocked his ass out in the beginning and we never saw him punch Maul at all when he got that big.

Mighty man was clearly the superior until the end.

Who was superior wasn't my point. Maul's durability was. And you can't tell me that you believe Mighty Man having a chance against a full sized Maul.

Multiple fights with class 100 guys should make it known that he's not fragile or something.

Hulk can becoming angry extremely quick. Maul can always grow extremely large.

A thought to grow larger vs. varying degrees of outside stimulis.

[X]

As in not derived from an outside agent (Isotope E in this case). I'll admit that's an impressive feat though.

Quicksilver had his powers for years before the upgrade, once ago, more than likely longer than Ultimate Quicksilver.

Plus if you used 616 Pietro you get his access to the Avenger's database, among other things. Detailed knowledge.

Ultimate Pietro lacks that.

[Ahura Mazda]

One question, is there still the same requirement of one uber from Marvel and one uber from DC for each match?

[X]

One question, is there still the same requirement of one uber from Marvel and one uber from DC for each match?

Nope.

[Khellendros]

Whoa whoa whoa, what the ****? How does Xfan get basically the same guy I did (Hadrian/Jack Marlowe), but he gets him in the middlewieght category? Also, does that mean that the Daemonite-possessed Spartan's feats are off limits to me, now? And, if so, then

If you don't think they're uber but you think Aza Chorn is, you're an idiot. Marlowe with the Void power was top tier in strength, knocked Majestic the **** out with brute force. And he could travel to dimensions so hostile even the real Void couldn't do so without being fatally wounded (which is why she had to pass her power to him).

And Corp, you misremembering whore, he teleported chunks of the modified Ladytron off of her. And he reattached pieces of drywall that had been busted off when he instantly rearranged and cleaned up whats-his-name's room.

[Ahura Mazda]

Nope.

That is a good thing, otherwise I think Khell and I would have to go back to the drawing board.... :D

I am glad we got most of our top picks.

[Ahura Mazda]

Whoa whoa whoa, what the ****? How does Xfan get basically the same guy I did (Hadrian/Jack Marlowe), but he gets him in the middlewieght category? Also, does that mean that the Daemonite-possessed Spartan's feats are off limits to me, now?

If you don't think they're uber but you think Aza Chorn is, you're an idiot. Marlowe with the Void power was top tier in strength, knocked Majestic the **** out with brute force. And he could travel to dimensions so hostile even the real Void couldn't do so without being fatally wounded (which is why she had to pass her power to him).

And Corp, you misremembering whore, he teleported chunks of the modified Ladytron off of her.

Check your emails...we need to hammer out a few details :up:

[Who?]

Who was superior wasn't my point. Maul's durability was. And you can't tell me that you believe Mighty Man having a chance against a full sized Maul.

Multiple fights with class 100 guys should make it known that he's not fragile or something.

Hulk can becoming angry extremely quick. Maul can always grow extremely large.

Mauls durabiliy was superior to who?

Multiple fights which he has never won.... Fuji has done alright against him. Who is around class 80.

[TheCorpulent1]

Whoa whoa whoa, what the ****? How does Xfan get basically the same guy I did (Hadrian/Jack Marlowe), but he gets him in the middlewieght category? Also, does that mean that the Daemonite-possessed Spartan's feats are off limits to me, now? And, if so, then

If you don't think they're uber but you think Aza Chorn is, you're an idiot. Marlowe with the Void power was top tier in strength, knocked Majestic the **** out with brute force. And he could travel to dimensions so hostile even the real Void couldn't do so without being fatally wounded (which is why she had to pass her power to him).

And Corp, you misremembering whore, he teleported chunks of the modified Ladytron off of her. And he reattached pieces of drywall that had been busted off when he instantly rearranged and cleaned up whats-his-name's room.
All right, simmer down, I forgot that part. My home computer's not working so I can't even check my Wildcats issues.

Anyway, sure, bump him up to uber. I could've sworn he didn't do that well against Majestic beyond that one punch, and I'm sure he ultimately lost that fight since it ends with Majestic killing him to get back to the present, but I can't check my comics to check details so I can't really argue.

[XFanTim]

Whoa whoa whoa, what the ****? How does Xfan get basically the same guy I did (Hadrian/Jack Marlowe), but he gets him in the middlewieght category? Also, does that mean that the Daemonite-possessed Spartan's feats are off limits to me, now? And, if so, then

If you don't think they're uber but you think Aza Chorn is, you're an idiot. Marlowe with the Void power was top tier in strength, knocked Majestic the **** out with brute force. And he could travel to dimensions so hostile even the real Void couldn't do so without being fatally wounded (which is why she had to pass her power to him).

And Corp, you misremembering whore, he teleported chunks of the modified Ladytron off of her. And he reattached pieces of drywall that had been busted off when he instantly rearranged and cleaned up whats-his-name's room.
Like I say, I listed him as medium because Corp had him as that last season. We're allowed two versions of a character as long as they're different, so presumably you can keep your Spartan even though I had him first. Technically, you might be limited to prior to Wildcats 3.0 for the first week since that's the version I specified -- but as I said I'm switching to Daemonite-possessed version as soon as possible, so then you can use anything except the Daemonite-possessed version.

[X]

I could've sworn he didn't do that well against Majestic beyond that one punch, and I'm sure he ultimately lost that fight since it ends with Majestic killing him to get back to the present, but I can't check my comics to check details so I can't really argue.

Spartan breaks into Majestic's base.

Majestic has all of his bases defenses attack Spartan, including a war droid.

Majestic exorcises the Daemonites from Spartan.

Spartan stops even trying to resist and lets Majestic kill him.

Majestic didn't so much as touch Spartan during their second encounter. He "won" through one sided tech and Spartan giving up.

First fight ended with Majestic beaten bloody and unconscious and tossed into a pit.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, you win, I conceded that he could be ranked as uber. Argument's over.

[wiegeabo]

Since some drafted rosters aren't legal (because of dupes or not enough of a certain rank, or whatever), I'm going to slightly open trades for week 1.

So, here's how it works. DO NOT post team changes in the transactions thread. If you have a legality issue with your team, send me a pm. And include what rank you need if not having enough of one rank is a problem. When I get home, I'll select the first unpicked characters on your draft lists that fit and make the exchange.

But there won't be any changes to your team just because you don't like a character, or you only have 2 regs and want 3, or anything like that. If I see you can make a legal lineup without making a change, than I won't change your team. You'll have to wait until week 2.

[XFanTim]

Some interesting teams. I appreciate the special consideration, if that's what it was, but.. my team does not actually resemble my draft list, and I see little reason* as to why for the most part. My original message:


Hi.

I'm not entirely sure how this is done, but I figure I may as well cover my bases and send this in now:

Uber:
Moonstone Zemo
Ares (DC)
Elemental Firestorm

Mid-tier
Reed Richards
Animal Man
B'wana Beast

Street-level
Black Panther
Batman
Mister Miracle
Tom Strong
Spider-Man
'Awn the Blink (Vertigo inventor. Should those count in the second bracket, I'll take him there.)


With Kent Nelson (Uber), Metron (Mid-Card for Reed), Captain America and Holden Carven (Street) serving as my back-ups if necessary.

I expect to have little competition for 'Awn and Bwana, so if draft order is important, I'll take them towards the end.


*That's right, get used to it.The team you got was:

Baron Zemo (Moonstone) (MU)
Ares (DU)
Firestorm (DU) (Elemental)
Reed Richards (MR)
Animal Man (DR)
B'wana Beast (DR)
Black Panther (MR)
Mister Miracle (DR)
Tom Strong
Dr. Fate (Hector Hall) (DU)
Flash (Wally West) (DU)
Indigo (DR)

Looks like you mostly got who you wanted. I don't know why Wieg gave you Hector Hall, Wally, and Indigo. :huh:

If you want I could correct it to:
Baron Zemo (Moonstone) (MU)
Ares (DU)
Firestorm (DU) (Elemental)
Reed Richards (MR)
Animal Man (DR)
B'wana Beast (DR)
Black Panther (MR)
Mister Miracle (DR)
Tom Strong
Dr. Fate (Kent Nelson) (DU)
'Awn the Blink (DR)
Holden Carven (Street)

Is that better? Also, what company/rank is Holden Carven -- I have no idea who that is.

[wiegeabo]

The team you got was:

Baron Zemo (Moonstone) (MU)
Ares (DU)
Firestorm (DU) (Elemental)
Reed Richards (MR)
Animal Man (DR)
B'wana Beast (DR)
Black Panther (MR)
Mister Miracle (DR)
Tom Strong
Dr. Fate (Hector Hall) (DU)
Flash (Wally West) (DU)
Indigo (DR)

Looks like you mostly got who you wanted. I don't know why Wieg gave you Hector Hall, Wally, and Indigo. :huh:

If you want I could correct it to:
Baron Zemo (Moonstone) (MU)
Ares (DU)
Firestorm (DU) (Elemental)
Reed Richards (MR)
Animal Man (DR)
B'wana Beast (DR)
Black Panther (MR)
Mister Miracle (DR)
Tom Strong
Dr. Fate (Kent Nelson) (DU)
'Awn the Blink (DR)
Holden Carven (Street)

Is that better? Also, what company/rank is Holden Carven -- I have no idea who that is.


At the end of everyone's draft list I put the exact same 'filler' list in case they ran out of characters. A couple of people did, so I just went down the filler list.

[Harlekin]

Quicksilver had his powers for years before the upgrade, once ago, more than likely longer than Ultimate Quicksilver.

Plus if you used 616 Pietro you get his access to the Avenger's database, among other things. Detailed knowledge.

Ultimate Pietro lacks that.
Yeah, I know Quicksilver has had his powers for a while. He could never reach above speed of sound without Isotope E though, and even then, his speed was usually not beyond a really good sports car. Still amazingly effective though.

Thing is, Ult. Quicksilver has quite the experience with his top level of speed, takes orders rather well and is a ruthless bastard to boot.

Oh, and if anyone be confused with all the mix-ups, my Nova is Richard Rider, not Frankie Raye.

[TheCorpulent1]

Current power level?

[Khellendros]

EDIT: Wait. I've been misreading. Kaboom got Marlowe. Well, **** me running.

[X]

Yeah, I know Quicksilver has had his powers for a while. He could never reach above speed of sound without Isotope E though, and even then, his speed was usually not beyond a really good sports car. Still amazingly effective though.

Thing is, Ult. Quicksilver has quite the experience with his top level of speed, takes orders rather well and is a ruthless bastard to boot.

Oh, and if anyone be confused with all the mix-ups, my Nova is Richard Rider, not Frankie Raye.

Isotope E Quicksilver could move dozens and dozens of thousands MPH per hour.

[TheCorpulent1]

EDIT: Wait. I've been misreading. Kaboom got Marlowe. Well, **** me running.
Technically, Hadrian went by Jack Marlowe as early as about 1/3 of the way through volume 2, so Kaboom could be assigned the earlier version and Tim could get the Daemonite-possessed version from the future. Major shifts in characters' personalities are a big part of how we determine whether two versions of a character from different time periods count as different characters, and being all evil and possessed by Daemonites is certainly a big shift in Hadrian's personality.

[X]

Anyway, the Quicksilver we're talking about beat Exodus.

I don't know what else you want from me, man! I was making a good suggestion! ;)

[X]

He ran across the Atlantic Ocean in no time at all, too. *Shrugs*

[Khellendros]

So, when do the battles actually start? I need to talk about stuff with my partner, but if I could walk away from this thing until next week, when my head will be on straighter, that would be super.

[Harlekin]

Isotope E Quicksilver could move dozens and dozens of thousands MPH per hour.

Anyway, the Quicksilver we're talking about beat Exodus.

I don't know what else you want from me, man! I was making a good suggestion! ;)

I get that, thanks X, just y'know, mach 10 is 3402.9 meters per second.

[X]

So, when do the battles actually start? I need to talk about stuff with my partner, but if I could walk away from this thing until next week, when my head will be on straighter, that would be super.

You're not going to miss anything if you're gone for a week.

[X]

I get that, thanks X, just y'know, mach 10 is 3402.9 meters per second.

I can't find any numbers, but I'd bet you my damned left arm that Quicksilver at his best can blow past that.

[TheCorpulent1]

Why not just take Speed from Young Avengers? He can exceed the speed of sound and he can accelerate an object's molecules until the object explodes. Cooler costume, too. :up:

[Harlekin]

I can't find any numbers, but I'd bet you my damned left arm that Quicksilver at his best can blow past that.
Quickie's best is his Isotope E days, and from what I've seen, that only takes him up to mach 5.

Speed's good, but not really a tactically sound choice.

[X]

Garrick and Max Mercury are middleweights too, I believe.

Jesse Quick too. Bart during his Young Justice days?

Wally, Walter, Savitar, Zoom... Those are the uber speedsters.

[X]

Quickie's best is his Isotope E days, and from what I've seen, that only takes him up to mach 5.

Speed's good, but not really a tactically sound choice.

You know, it'd be great if someone else would be like "Hey yeah, Isotope E Quicksilver WAS pretty badass!".

Cuz' I know it's true! I can't cite a dozen instances of it off the top of my head, but you're going to roo this damned day. :cmad:

[Harlekin]

Garrick and Max Mercury are middleweights too, I believe.

Jesse Quick too. Bart during his Young Justice days?

Wally, Walter, Savitar, Zoom... Those are the uber speedsters.
Bart's uber in all incarnations, I believe.

[X]

Young Justice one really shouldn't be.

The recent Flash Bart, absolutely.

But him in his rookie days...? I know AS had him and he was an uber, but why?

[LadyVader]

Do you have a name for your team, Gog?

That goes for everyone else too. Let me know them.



Everybody in the Casa Mare
(yup, reprising my name from the first two seasons, might as well go back to basics)

Deadpool (MR)
Wonder Woman (JLA/Witchblade) (DU)
Green Lantern (Bruce Wayne) DU
The Engineer (DM)
Nemesis (DR)
Zeitgeist (MR)
Miss Martian (DM)
Warlock (Jaine) (MU)
Wiccan (MR)
Conner Hawke (DR)
Jenny Quantum (DU)
Captain Universe (The Hulk) (MU)

I like my team. I'm stunned I got Zeitgeist to be honest!

[Kaboom]

wait if im reading this right majestic is a middleweight in this thing? how does that work?

in Wildstorm, all the powerful world moving characters are classified as "majestic level" i mean if you guys want him to be a med thats fine...but it seems odd that maul would be an uber and "THE" guy from Wildstorm is a med.

[Kaboom]

Big Boomin' Brawlers
and don't forget the apostrophe!

(Owner - Kaboom)

Mr. Majestic (DM)
Nate Grey (MU)
Spartan (Jack Marlowe)
Apollo (DM)
Rose Tatoo
The Drummer (DR)
Randall Dowling (DR)
Blade (MR)
Nocturne
Caitlin Fairchild (DM)
Elijah Snow (DR)
Maul (DU)

[Who?]

Isn't DC's Ares supposed to be near Marvels Odin in power?

[Khellendros]

Haha Majestic as a Middleweight, **** you. Put him up to uber like you damn well know he should be. And, yes, DC Ares is Skyfather level.

[Kaboom]

Haha Majestic as a Middleweight, **** you. Put him up to uber like you damn well know he should be.
i think perhaps you didnt read what i wrote.

wieg classified him as a middleweight, when i thought he should be an uber.

[Khellendros]

i think perhaps you didnt read what i wrote.

wieg classified him as a middleweight, when i thought he should be an uber.No, I read it. You know that's ridiculous, though, so just call him what he is.

[X]

Isn't DC's Ares supposed to be near Marvels Odin in power?

He varies. He's never looked as good as Odin, as far as I know.

Wonder Woman's affected him more than once. Physically and otherwise.

[Harlekin]

I'm also a little taken aback by Majestic as a med. He's definitely uber.

[X]

It's just a mistake.

Draft wasn't problem free.

[Kaboom]

No, I read it. You know that's ridiculous, though, so just call him what he is.
this is my first dtl ever, im not going to fight to keep him a med, i know hes an uber. but if wieg made him a med, im not going to go changing my classifications when i dont really know what the classifications mean.

[TheCorpulent1]

Majestic was an uber as far back as I remember, so you at least know you have the right instincts on that. ;)

Bart's an uber in all incarnations because he could run at light speed in all incarnations and he learned to use some Speed Force tricks relatively young, as far back as his Impulse days--including ones the other speedsters don't know, like making temporal clones of himself.

DC's Ares isn't quite up there with Odin. His powers wax and wane depending on how much people "worship" him (meaning how violent and warlike they become), but Wonder Woman could generally slug it out with him.

[Who?]

He varies. He's never looked as good as Odin, as far as I know.

Wonder Woman's affected him more than once. Physically and otherwise.


I know but there are quite a few coughGrecough that claim he is >=Odin.

[XFanTim]

I get that, thanks X, just y'know, mach 10 is 3402.9 meters per second.
Which is 7,612 miles per hour. (Multiply by 3600 seconds per hour, but divide by 1609 meters per mile). Mach 1 = 761 MPH.

Pre-Isotope-E Quicksilver already had a top speed of, what, 300 MPH? (I know I've seen him clocked on a speedometer doing 200 MPH, and I don't think that was going all out.) So even pre-Isotope E he could do about Mach 0.4 (300 mph).

I don't know how many times faster the Isotope-E version is, though.

[XFanTim]

At the end of everyone's draft list I put the exact same 'filler' list in case they ran out of characters. A couple of people did, so I just went down the filler list.
Gotcha. I thought you were just going to leave them with some empty slots, but that works too.

Thing is, it looks like Dark Gog had a few more alternates, he just listed them in a sentence at the end instead of including them in the list itself. I'm gonna cut him some slack since he's new and joined at the last minute, and just give him those guys now. (See the "corrected roster" I suggested for him above.) Unless anyone objects.

[XFanTim]

Also, if no one really cares I'll just list my version of Hadrian as Daemonite now, rather than waiting to week 1 to make the change. I wouldn't mind waiting, but this way it eliminates any confusion over which version Kaboom has. He gets the good Hadrian (at whatever his strongest point is), and I get the evil possessed one. Nice and simple. (I was just going to have Brainiac/Magneto/The Ghost reprogram him to evil in week 1 anyway.)

[XFanTim]

I've made some corrections to the rosters (fixed a couple rankings, filled in where some people only had 11 of their 12 characters listed, etc.)

Everyone please check your team's roster for mistakes!

Also, there are a few characters whose rankings still aren't listed (and it's possible some of the rankings are listed inaccurately). Let me know of any additions/corrections.

[XFanTim]

Animal Man seems to have been listed three seperate times.
Well, one of those is Animal Man (Titans of Tomorrow), who's actually the future version of Beast Boy -- so he counts as a totally different character.

As for the others, we're allowed two versions of a character, but they have to be different versions. So either Gog or Harl will need to switch to an alternate version of Animal Man, or else replace him.

[Kaboom]

rose tatoo doesnt have a ranking. It is my belief that she is a middle weight.

[XFanTim]

rose tatoo doesnt have a ranking. It is my belief that she is a middle weight.Thanks. I've now listed her as a middle weight.

I also sorted everyones characters by rank, since I think that's more convenient.

[Nightwing.]

Heroes Of The New Age (Owner: Nightwing)

Martian Manhunter (DU)
Darkseid (DU)
Juggernaut (MU)
Replicant (DU)
Gorilla Grodd (DM)
The Atom (Ray Palmer) (DR)
Nightwing (DR)
Fantomex (MR)
Gambit (MR)
Spiderman (MR)
Captain America (MR)
Batman (DR)

Dont think i couldve asked for a better team....wohoo cheers Wieg

[Khellendros]

Holy crap, the Atom as a regular? Is that right?

[Harlekin]

Yeah, that's right.

Since when did Aztek get bumped up to med though?

As for Animal Man, I got him drafted first, so I get to keep him.

[TheCorpulent1]

Why wouldn't the Atom be a reg? He can shrink. That's it. Hank Pym can shrink and grow, and he's still a reg. Remember, rankings are based mostly on powers, not on performance. If it were based on who uses what they've got best, Captain America and Batman would be ubers. ;)

[Kaboom]

i think my "base" team will consist of:

Mr. Majestic (DU)
Nate Grey (MU)
Rose Tattoo (DM)
The Drummer (DR)
Blade (MR)

I think that's as good a lineup as any.

[XFanTim]

As for Animal Man, I got him drafted first, so I get to keep him.OK. Dark Gog, take a look at your team in the update thread and let me know who you want in place of Animal Man. (Also let me know about the rankings of the characters I wasn't sure of.)

[Kaboom]

question. how restricted are you to the battle area? say you have a character who is a teleporter. Can they leave the area, pick up weapons, and return?

[wiegeabo]

There's leeway in how big the area is (up, down, and around). But don't violate the spirit of the area. If it's in New York, no teleporting to another city to get weapons or information.

[Kaboom]

There's leeway in how big the area is (up, down, and around). But don't violate the spirit of the area. If it's in New York, no teleporting to another city to get weapons or information.

i guess my question is this: randall dowling whole purpose was to destroy alternate worlds and acquire their weapons. He went so far as to destroy an entire world just to use it as a weapons warehouse.

Nate Grey has the ability to shift himself into alternate realities. If dowling tells him where to go, Nate Grey could theoretically step out of the battle, grab whatever weapon Dowling had acquired and step back in.

Would that be against the rules?

[TheCorpulent1]

That seems reasonable for prep time to me, but I'm not sure how stringent the stay-on-the-battlefield rule is during prep now. Seems to defeat the purpose of a guy like Randall Dowling, though, if he can't access his tech.

[wiegeabo]

That wouldn't be allowed in prep-time. No going outside the battlefield for anything.

[Kaboom]

That seems reasonable for prep time to me, but I'm not sure how stringent the stay-on-the-battlefield rule is during prep now. Seems to defeat the purpose of a guy like Randall Dowling, though, if he can't access his tech.

i just need a bit of a clarification for strategery purposes

[TheCorpulent1]

That wouldn't be allowed in prep-time. No going outside the battlefield for anything.
But it would be allowed in the fight? 'Cause, really, if guys like Forge and Randall Dowling and Reed Richards can't access their tech, what good are they? They're not going to be lucky enough to just happen to be in the X-Mansion or the Baxter Building or wherever Dowling's lab is every match, so it robs a lot from those tech-based characters who don't carry their tech around constantly.

Or can we just write them as if they just happened to bring any tech we want them to have with them that match?

[Nightwing.]

firstly can anyone give a little incite into the wonderful world of 'titans tomorrow'? and also how come turtle is medium now?

[TheCorpulent1]

Titans Tomorrow is a future where the Teen Titans grow up, replace their mentors as the biggest supergroup around, and become evil. Except Bart, who was actually a spy for Titans East. Unless you're going by the current Titans Tomorrow appearances, where Bart is apparently a clone of the original and just as evil as the rest of the team.

[Nightwing.]

oh so Martian Manhunter and Batman arent Bruce and J'onn?so who are they?are they as powerful/talented?

[Nightwing.]

I just checked the draft i sent in and my team was picked out of the top 21 in that list i sent....thats pretty good going considering i cut and pasted most of the old update thread characters....

[TheCorpulent1]

Batman's Tim, the Martian Manhunter is the current Teen Titans' Miss Martian. Miss Martian appears to be in the same ballpark as J'onn, only she's a white Martian and she's somehow immune to fire. Tim is probably as intelligent as Bruce, at least, but he's not as good a fighter and he carries the gun that killed the Waynes as his primary weapon.

[Nightwing.]

White Martian eh?so in effect Miss Martian has been drafted twice and its the same incarnation am i right?cos LV has her and so does xman: has this been over looked or are they different incarnations of the same character?

Guess ill have to do my research on those characters if i ever face them....

are we doing blind line ups this season?as in we send our team in a pm to wieg and they only get revealed once the battle threads are up

[TheCorpulent1]

If one's from the Titans Tomorrow period, they're different. Miss Martian is currently a hero with the other Teen Titans, while her future incarnation is a villain.

[Nightwing.]

ah fair enough....are both incarnations immune to the fire fear?and how did she manage to get rid of it?

[TheCorpulent1]

No, I think the current Miss Martian still has that weakness. We don't know how the future version lost it.

[Blacklight]

Do you have a name for your team, Gog?

That goes for everyone else too. Let me know them.
Zatanna and the Titans Tomorrow

[Nightwing.]

Heroes Of The New Age

[X]

I leave for a few hours and now I feel bad that I wasn't around to answer questions and update the Update thread. :(

The burden of responsibility and a conscience! (a little bit of it!) :woot:

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm going home to attempt to fix my computer again. I'll probably fail, though, so I'll most likely not be here again until tomorrow morning.

[X]

That sucks about as much as me having a messed up sleeping schedule and missing a lot of the day discussion.

[wiegeabo]

I've been in a meeting all afternoon. :(

I can't believe I've been on as much as I have today.

[X]

You never answered my PM, Wieg!

[wiegeabo]

You never answered my PM, Wieg!

See above comment.

[X]

I thought our short PM's and the discussions in this thread would of been enough to make a decision. :huh:

[wiegeabo]

I was just looking in the threads for anything urgent.

[X]

I was just putting it out there to let it be known anyway. :)

[Blacklight]

Who's fighting who first?

[wiegeabo]

I should have a schedule up tonight. We have 14 teams, right?

[Blacklight]

I should have a schedule up tonight. We have 14 teams, right?
Yes. When do we pick our line-ups? I don't really want to post mine until I know who I'm battling.

[wiegeabo]

You can post them in the Trasanctions thread anytime. Just try not to change it tons of times because it's a lot of work for us and your opponent to keep track.

[X]

I should have a schedule up tonight. We have 14 teams, right?

Yeah.

[X]

Wait, who removed all the ( ) from the Update thread? On our rosters. :huh:

[wiegeabo]

Put the ( ) back! :eek:

[XFanTim]

I felt like the parentheses were a bit excessive. We already have them for specifying which version it is. Do we really need:
Magus (evil Adam Warlock) (not the one from Infinity War, the other one) (MU)

I mean, they all have a ranking, so no one's going to confuse it for part of the guys name.

But I see I'm out voted, so I guess I'll restore them.

[X]

I just meant around the ranking. Like (MR)

I always thought it distinguished the ranking from the character name, so the character name doesn't trail on.

I'm fine either way, I don't want to make you go through that tedious crap again.

[wiegeabo]

Let's use [ ] and { }. ;) :p

[X]

I prefer (). It's cleaner. :cmad:

You've got a strange habit of not answering PM's. I always do that, man. :csad: :woot:

[Nightwing.]

i must admit im very excited about this season....i got pretty much the same team that i had last season (exception the odd character) which im not too fussed about and feel i might end up getting back.....

just wondering are we doing that whole

I have Z to trade who wants to offer me for them?

what i mean is an open listing thread in the update so that we can advertise characters we want to trade but arent letting go of until a decent offer comes along?

[X]

We, we definitely need to do something to promote trading. We've never taken advantage of all the potential in that.

Z to trade? Say that again?

[Nightwing.]

Z to trade

i couldnt think of an example so i just put Z instead....

[X]

Oh.

Do you have any characters you really are interested in trading?

[The Leaguer]

Harlekin: I introduced Aztek to the DTL a few seasons ago and he was medium back then.

When does the trade lock go up?

I like how, if you disregard the rules of the game, our team is f***ing terrifying.

[Nightwing.]

Oh.

Do you have any characters you really are interested in trading?

i have one or two in mind that i might be throwing out there for people to give me some offers for but i aint saying until after the first weeks battles and until ive fully researched each of my characters to the best of my abilities.

[X]

Harlekin: I introduced Aztek to the DTL a few seasons ago and he was medium back then.

When does the trade lock go up?

I like how, if you disregard the rules of the game, our team is f***ing terrifying.

Thankfully we're not disregarding the rules just for you, huh? :oldrazz:

Half of those awesome high end ubers are going to have to go. :cwink:

[X]

i have one or two in mind that i might be throwing out there for people to give me some offers for but i aint saying until after the first weeks battles and until ive fully researched each of my characters to the best of my abilities.

Sounds like a plan.

[Kaboom]

Harlekin: I introduced Aztek to the DTL a few seasons ago and he was medium back then.

When does the trade lock go up?

I like how, if you disregard the rules of the game, our team is f***ing terrifying.
if you disregard the rules of the game, my team could never be beat.

[Nightwing.]

anyone know of a good site where i can download comics...im trying to find a copy of Flash Secret Files #2

[X]

anyone know of a good site where i can download comics...im trying to find a copy of Flash Secret Files #2

Google DC++.

[wiegeabo]

anyone know of a good site where i can download comics...im trying to find a copy of Flash Secret Files #2

zcultfm.com (it's torrent sites)

[Khellendros]

Why wouldn't the Atom be a reg? He can shrink. That's it. Hank Pym can shrink and grow, and he's still a reg. Remember, rankings are based mostly on powers, not on performance. If it were based on who uses what they've got best, Captain America and Batman would be ubers. ;)But can't he also manipulate his weight/density? Which strikes me as leading to all kinds of crazy **** at subatomic levels and whatnot. I dunno, just seems like he should be a middleweight.

[DTL Commish]

Corp couldn't make a legal team. So I've removed their last three drafted ubers and am replacing them with the first available middlewieght, and first two regulars, on their list.

Savitar
Karnilla
Firestorm (Jason)

are now

Faith
Zauriel
Black Knight (Dane)

[X]

But can't he also manipulate his weight/density? Which strikes me as leading to all kinds of crazy **** at subatomic levels and whatnot. I dunno, just seems like he should be a middleweight.

Some incarnations of the Ray could manipulate the dwarf star material he originally came into contact with. He's done it all of a handful of times, though.

Him doing lethal things at subatomic levels... Really, things like that aren't possible with Ray. Jean Loring stomped on peoples brains when she shrunk. Ray wouldn't do that unless you possessed him somehow.

Everyone is in character for these games, so that's a consideration to remember.

Also, he's not unbeatable. People with enhanced site (Even low end enhanced site like Deathstroke) can identify and take him out.

Really, any Superman type could spot him and that could quickly lead to his downfall.

There are far bigger pains in the asses in the DTL.

[X]

So, to maybe create some discussion...

What directions are you going with your teams this year?

More lethal, leadership oriented, variety, mobility...?

[XFanTim]

I had Atom 1 million as a medium in season 3, and he's like an army of regular Atoms ....

My team? Obviously I'm doing the villain thing, but beyond that I'm just thinking of teamwork. I don't want to do a lot of one-on-one battles. I picked my characters mostly based on specific ideas for how their powers can be used together.

[X]

So are you going to do the two on two bit and have each one of your characters abilities compliment the others?

Honestly, team work has been all but useless in this thing previously. Where's the creativity? The powers being more than the sum of their parts?

Oh, how convenient, fight 1 just ended so my guy from that alterations run in to fight two!

That's not team work. Team work is Deathstroke taking on Captain America and Bucky at the same time for a few seconds so Blink can teleport an explosive with a second to go on it's fuse directly behind the two, sending shrapnel ripping them to shreds.

[Dark Gog]

Thing is, it looks like Dark Gog had a few more alternates, he just listed them in a sentence at the end instead of including them in the list itself. I'm gonna cut him some slack since he's new and joined at the last minute, and just give him those guys now. (See the "corrected roster" I suggested for him above.) Unless anyone objects.

Thank you.

OK. Dark Gog, take a look at your team in the update thread and let me know who you want in place of Animal Man. (Also let me know about the rankings of the characters I wasn't sure of.)

If we're allowed to trade now, and something like 'pre-IC Animal Man' or the version that knew he was a comic-character is outside the question, then Vixen would be quite suitable for my needs (not those). Other than being reliant on an item for her powers (the Tantu Totem, which, going by rumour, she no longer needs, but still possesses), she has the exact same abilities as Buddy, though some people refuse to recognize it.

There's other characters I've been planning to trade for, but I'm not sure if it's safe to submit a query in the open, or if anyone could then pounce on them.

As far as where my characters rank; Tom Strong and Holden (Carver - typo on my part earlier) should both count as street levelers, and if Animal Man and Reed do too, then B'wana Beast may well qualify there as well, although he does have telepathy. 'Awn is definitely a regular, unless we count extreme (and I do mean Extreme) inventiveness as enough to merrit Middleweight status, which apparently we don't.

I'll look for more information regarding ABC and Wildstorm later this afternoon.

[Dark Gog]

I don't think Wonder Woman has ever done too well against Ares, and he had certainly never regarded her as a rival in the same way that she does him, but I can't say that I see as anything beyond Thanos-level. He has plent of powers, if we take everything he's ever done into consideration, and a closer equivalent to the Titan then Darkseid ever was, in my opinion, but that's about it.

Should Black Alice really be submittable for this thing? She's not even reliant on who takes the field. She can steal power from Athena, Tim Hunter, the Spectre's various counter-parts, or any combination there-of.

[X]

She's knocked him off his feet and what not.

Black Alice's cut off point is one we apply to other characters of her nature as well.

Power copiers who copy to an upgraded level can't become too uber on the field, same applies to Black Alice. She can't steal the powers of characters that are too uber to begin with, period.

She could only do Spectre once anyway. She stole his powers for all of five minutes, and then Spectre put in safe blocks to stop it from ever happening again.

[AnnoyingSilence]

But can't he also manipulate his weight/density? Which strikes me as leading to all kinds of crazy **** at subatomic levels and whatnot. I dunno, just seems like he should be a middleweight.i completely agree

and as soon as someone writes the atom as such, x will be the first one to back them up, rather than slam the atom