Dream Team League (Discussion)

[Nightwing.]

Ok, looking at all that just went down in the Transactions thread...


X, quit being an ass. :o That's AS's job and he's proud of it. :up: I don't see how you can call Nightwing a baby just because he's voiced some legitamate complaints that you happen to not agree with. You've been getting really rough lately (to put it nicely) and it's really getting old. Khell can give it as good as he takes it, but not everyone can, and it kills the willingness to stay in this thing. So ease up.


Next, one of Nightwing's issues. Debating vs. writing. I agree that I miss the longer stories. They were a lot of fun to write and read. But I don't miss all the time it took to write and read them. Maybe with a week-and-a-half we can loosen this up since everyone should have more time. But I still wouldn't want to see anything as long as a lot of the stuff we used to do. Although I don't know why the debating is so bad since we always had it.


Next, the apparent power creep. I've been seeing it too, but a lot of it I attribute to working out where the bar is in relation to our top characters (Thanos and Strange are the first to come to mind.) The bar isn't a straight line and is always moving between and during seasons (hopefully just not moving a lot during the season). But I'm always concerned about it and keep it in mind. Why do you think it takes so long for me to make a ruling on some of these characters. I like to hear everything I can when I don't know much about them. That's why Amazo was up in the air so long.


And speaking of power creep and Amazo...I look at the available power sets for even the static Amazo and am astounded. He really is like getting half a dozen extra characters on top of the rest of the team. And I know that some characters have a lot of powers, but the variety and effectiveness of those available for Amazo to combine are overwhelming. So, I'm going to have to be an ass here and reverse my previous decision on Amazo. I can't let him in. Anyone has an Amazo can have their previous characters back (and if those characters have been picked up by someone else, we'll work it out).


On the subject of power-copiers, Else-Man. This guy really scares me. And not because we 'know' what his powers are, but because we don't know what he'll become when he copies a power (hence the quotes around 'know'). He doesn't just copy a power, he copies a perfect version of that power. For Supes M* he looked like he became a golden Superman Prime 1 Million version of Supes 1Mil (which scares the hell out of me because, if he's anywhere near Supes Primes power, he's tuber). And when one copied Wonder Woman, it became a flaming Spirit of the Amazons thing. Who could predict that? He's really really up to interpretation. But, under the assumption that Else-Man doesn't become more powerful, but mostly just loses weaknesses of the copied (and the way they look doesn't really matter), and since he can only copy one power at a time, I'll let him in on a trial basis. We'll see how it goes.


And, taking the long way round to character interpretation, and in the interest of bringing some fun into the writings and debates, I'm going to loosen up a bit on the minimum information rule. What this means is that not-well defined versions/combinations of well defined characters/equipment will be allowed. The two most recent examples would be Bat-Lantern and Wonder Woman with Mjolnir. (Personally, I still don't like letting in characters like this, but oh well).


Oh man, I'm not used to making so many decisions at one time. I'm exhausted.

Well its good to see that I wasnt alone with the whole writing stories thing. Yes it is difficult for some to write stories but surely people know how they would like a comic book to pan out. they can visualise fights in their heads,put words to that and you have the fun that was the DTL.

Now as for X leaving.What was it you said to me?Oh yeah dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. You are a hypocrit in that sense as Wieg pointed out.

Now ive had time to sleep on it and after reading some of the responses im am swayed to staying however that isnt set in stone....

i have a few ideas which might firstly help the whole power creep problem and might even keep X in this thing

if we are trying to get a rank for any character why not do something like this to ease all minds -

I request for Batman to be a regular

Powers/Skills - Batman is a world class martial artist,has a utility belt containing such devices as exploding batarangs,gas pellets etc,he is also a world class detective.

Feats - Batman single handedly took out 4 white martians when everyone else in the JLA ie Flash,MM - struggled to do so.

This part is the vital part in my opinion

Weaknesses/Flaws - He is only human,doesnt have any super powers and suffers ailments like any mortal human.

An example of his being defeated would be - Taken out by Prmoetheus who out matched him in the combat area.

Now if people were to do this when trying to get a character allowed ranked etc then it would give other DTL'ers an idea of strategies to defeat the characters and also based on the feats can be decided as to whether they are too uber or not.

Now Batman was an example another would be Amazo or BION the weakness/falws section would work great for them if people could list one or two ideas of how this person has been taken out...Aristotle mentioned an EMP to knock out Amazo or a good hard kicking. Once people can see these flaws its up to them to find the characters to do the job...for instance the EMP people might think only an energy manipulator could cause it but any high level intelligent could ie Batman,Atom,Mr Fantastic,Spiderman...

examples like these could easily help resolve alot of issues and cut down on the 8 page debates for characters....any thoughts?

[Dark Gog]

There's a few people I can think of who might be interested in participating, but if we do invite more people, then I suggest we also hold of the next week for a few days more.

[Khellendros]

Well. Crap.

[Johnny Blaze]

Wow, I come to check up on my baby and see hell hath broken loose.

I just want to say that I think you're doing a good job of trying to be fair about things, Wieg. Makes me feel that I did indeed make the right choice in passing the torch to you. Which I know I did anyway. :cwink:
Keep up the good work, and don't let the problems and headaches of being the commish get to you.
And if they start to bother you, just do what I did. Turn off the computer, go get yourself a drink (preferable whiskey), and relax. :up:

[Khellendros]

Turn off the computer, go get yourself a drink (preferable whiskey), and relax. :up:Also: hookers.

[LouFerignoDemon]

If there's anybody who could watch over X's team, it would be a person more similar to X than she cares to admit.

[Aristotle]

Turn off the computer, go get yourself a drink (preferable whiskey), and relax. :up:What are ya, some kinda nancy-boy? There's only ONE way to relieve the stresses and vagaries of life, comrade...




...vodka.

[wiegeabo]

Also: hookers.

The Commish gets hookers?!


Why was I not informed of this!!!

[Aristotle]

If there's anybody who could watch over X's team, it would be a person more similar to X than she cares to admit.So you're joining?

Hey Wiegs! That means with Nightwing, we still have an odd number, and I know we already have a BYE in the schedule, but can I replace that BYE team with a second team anyway? Pleeeeeeeeeeease? That would mean no one would ever have to miss out on a week! Just give AnnoyingSilence (he was the one who got the BYE this week right?) a win and my new team another loss (I think they were 1-2 going into it, so they'd be 1-3 now) and call it good to gae!

[wiegeabo]

I'd rather not have anyone own two teams. Especially if Gog may be able to bring in someone else, like he mentioned.

And, Mistress Gluon, I'll be glad to welcome you back. Just make picking up a team official and start making any changes you need (currently X's team and the unowned team are available).

[Aristotle]

What if Gog can't find anyone? I hate to keep yammering, but it's such a fun idea (probably only to me, but oh well) and it's not like there'd be a real conflict of interest or any big reason not to have anyone own two teams...

[wiegeabo]

We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

[Nightwing.]

Ok so any thoughts on my idea about A, the creative writing thing and B, the layout for rank requesting?

Also yes ill stick it out....

[wiegeabo]

Ok so any thoughts on my idea about A, the creative writing thing and B, the layout for rank requesting?

I don't mind the creative writing. I've been moving more towards it myself. But everyone is free to write the battles as they wish. So if they just want more of a debate, that's fine. I think we'll all experienced enough to look at facts and matchups over writing style. All I ask is that we don't write the 'books' that we were all famous for back in the day.


I don't know if we need a formal way of presenting character rankings. But try it out. If it sticks, others will start using it, or making their own cases more formal.

[wiegeabo]

Also yes ill stick it out....

http://www.facemeandscream.com/articles/sean_connery.jpg

"You the man now, dog!"

[Nightwing.]

I don't mind the creative writing. I've been moving more towards it myself. But everyone is free to write the battles as they wish. So if they just want more of a debate, that's fine. I think we'll all experienced enough to look at facts and matchups over writing style. All I ask is that we don't write the 'books' that we were all famous for back in the day.


I don't know if we need a formal way of presenting character rankings. But try it out. If it sticks, others will start using it, or making their own cases more formal.

Its not that i want everyone to conform to the creative writing side of things...i just dont want people calling bull**** to peoples creative views of how a battle might turn out...yes some stuff may not have happened in the comics but whos to say that it couldnt happen?

[LouFerignoDemon]

I don't mind. But if you want to use creative writing, I would assume you should expect to debate on it regardless. If it doesn't happen in the comics, you should have a reason why it would happen here.

For example: You can't have Strange pull out the Zom Strange combo every battle without a REALLY good reason.

[Nightwing.]

oh yeah i know....it has to be believable but dont forget this is universe cross overs so there has to be 50% fiction with this thing.

I mean if we ever had hulk versus superman in this i dont think the hulk owner would want to write Supes one hit KO's hulk just cos it appeared in a crappy crossover...they would write how their hulk would win....

[Khellendros]

I don't care if we allow more creative writing, so long as it stays acceptable to still post a sort of bare-bones writeup. Because, like I said, I'm not much of a writer.

[Johnny Blaze]

What are ya, some kinda nancy-boy? There's only ONE way to relieve the stresses and vagaries of life, comrade...




...vodka.

Vodka? Vodka's cool, but most of the people I know who drink vodka are chicks.
Guess that makes you the nancy boy, comrade. :oldrazz:

[Khellendros]

Ari, a nancy boy or even a girl? Believable.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Bourbon fo' me.

[wiegeabo]

I prefer Brandy. Ah, yes...the finer things in life.

And gin.


And since I work at a winery, I get all I want at near cost.

[TheCorpulent1]

Whiskey's good. Can't beat a bottle of Jack for wandering the streets in a haze all night.

[Johnny Blaze]

Can't stand gin, unless it's in a shot. Same goes for brandy. Not a big wine drinker either, though I cook with it alot.

Bourbon fo' me.

Bourbon is what I grew up on. Good ol' JD, Knobb Creek, Beam, Maker's...ah, good, good stuff. But I still love me a nice glass of Jameson. :up:

[Johnny Blaze]

Whiskey's good. Can't beat a bottle of Jack for wandering the streets in a haze all night.

Sure you can. Try two bottles of Jack. :up:

[Khellendros]

I'm a rum man, myself. Bottlea of Vanilla flavored rum + me = damn fine weekend.

[Ahura Mazda]

Sure you can. Try two bottles of Jack. :up:

If you want good whiskey get some Glenmorangie or another single malt. This blended stuff is only good for getting drunk.

[TheCorpulent1]

Sure you can. Try two bottles of Jack. :up:
That's just sick. :dry:

I like wine. Cabernets are delicious, but they're really acidy and hurt my stomach after more than a few glasses. I haven't developed much of a taste for white wines yet.

Beer is what I love, though. A nice, hoppy, dark ale or lager is surprisingly comforting after work. I'm thirsty now just thinking about it.

[wiegeabo]

I'm not a big wine drinker either. Especially reds. I think they're too harsh. Although we do make this one shiraz/pinotage blend. Only red I really like.

[LouFerignoDemon]

While I like super hard liquors (rum), I like smoother drinks. Scotch, bourbon, brandy, white wines.

[Aristotle]

Vodka? Vodka's cool, but most of the people I know who drink vodka are chicks.
Guess that makes you the nancy boy, comrade. :oldrazz:I was kidding, I tore up my stomach real bad three years ago and can't shoot any liquor anymore. White russians, screwdrivers, and beers for me, I'm afraid. And the occasional sippin' whiskey.

[Aristotle]

Whiskey's good. Can't beat a bottle of Jack for wandering the streets in a haze all night.You want to wander the streets in a haze all night, you go to Jerusalem, find this little hole-in-the-wall liquor store next to a weird gun and knife shop off Ben Yehuda Street, on the road running into one of the gates to the Old City, and you buy this strange bottle with no label, just the word TEQUILA printed directly on the glass. Cost you about three dollars American.

THAT puts you in a haze, my friend.

[Aristotle]

Bourbon is what I grew up on. Good ol' JD, Knobb Creek, Beam, Maker's...ah, good, good stuff. But I still love me a nice glass of Jameson. :up:All fine brands (although until you've enjoyed the fire of Ten High or Kentucky Gentlemen in your belly, y'ain't lived), but JD is a Tennessee whiskey, not a bourbon. That's why it tastes so much smoother.

[Aristotle]

If you want good whiskey get some Glenmorangie or another single malt. This blended stuff is only good for getting drunk.That's what booze is for, old son.

[Harlekin]

Whiskey is my preferred drink as well.

[Aristotle]

By the way Blaze, is this sudden resurgence of interest an indication that you might want to play again? Maybe we should round up a whole bunch of new recruits and start a SECOND Dream Team League!

(Because I want to have another team, because I'm bored!)

And then we could have like the Super-Duper-Awesome-****-Sweet-DTL-Championship-of-the-World between the two DTL champions at the end!

[Harlekin]

Just join in on the RPG's, Ari.

[Aristotle]

What, the other ones? Meh. Don't like those. I expected not to like this one until I came and checked it out. This one, somehow, is a lot more fun.

[Johnny Blaze]

No, I'm not going to rejoin the DTL any time soon. I'm happy with the RPGs I'm in.
I'm just checking up on my baby is all. See how it's doing and what not.

[XFanTim]

Point-by-Point Response to Nightwing's Comments

Research
Honestly, I think people just need to ask more questions. I've gone up against characters I've never read and done fine, and it's not because I go read a bunch of the issues they're in. I ask the person I'm up against for a description, I google a profile or two, and then I follow up with specific questions. If there's a part of my writeup I'm not sure would work, I can usually figure it out by asking the right question. This week, I asked "Does Flash (Titans of Tomorrow) have the speed force internalized (like Bart did after Infinite Crisis)?" I asked this because I was planning to cut him off from the speedforce by stranding him in another dimension.

Sticking to What's In the Comics
There's a reason we're asking people to stick to what's in the comics -- it's the only way to rein in the characters who have a million powers. Otherwise, you have characters like Dr. Strange, Silver Surfer, Green Lantern, etc., literally doing anything. If we're going to let Dr. Strange do whatever he wants so long as it's "well written", then he's blatantly too uber and should be banned. But forcing people to stick with what's in the comics is a good way to limit it so the characters are still usable.

Honestly, that shouldn't be too much of a limit. Everyone should know their own characters well enough not to exaggerate their powers -- and if you exaggerate your opponents characters you're only hurting yourself.

As for the argument that this limits creativity -- well, I don't think it needs to be all just recycling attacks that we've read in the comics. But it could be new uses of their powers that are logical extrapolations of what we know they can do. E.g., I'm not sure Magneto has ever used his powers to create a solar flare, but when I was up against AS I teleported Thanos to the surface of the sun and had Magneto hit him with a solar flare. But I can justify this by saying "The sun is made of plasma, and plasma can be manipulated with magnetic fields." It's a logical extrapolation. Not like assuming Magneto could, say, reverse time or something like that.

Also, there are lots of ways to be creative using teamwork. You have characters in this thing who've never even met before, because they're published by different companies. So there are lots of ways to use their powers in conjunction with each other that have never been seen in the comics, and yet are still clearly things the characters could do.

Storytelling
If people want to do make their writeup more of a story, that's fine. People should be able to format their writeup how they choose. However, there's two things I think we should stick to:
(1) Votes should be based on how you used your team (strategy, plausibility, etc.), not on how good a story it was.
(2) We should try not to make our writeups too long.

The length thing is just because if it takes too long to read we won't get enough votes. As for why we shouldn't vote based on storytelling, if we do then people basically have to write a short story every week in order to be competitive, and that just takes too long. I get that some people are better at storytelling, while others are better at the strategy and debate approach. I think I've done pretty well at both approaches, but I find it a lot quicker when I can just describe what my team does without worrying about making it dramatic or including witty dialogue or any other story-telling elements. If it goes back to being a storytelling competition, I just won't have time for it, and I doubt I'm the only one. By voting based on strategy we make that the essential component while letting people add as much or as little storytelling as they want. If someone wants storytelling without strategy or debate, that's what the fan-fiction board is for.

Debate
How much debate people do is kind of up to them. I feel like we can't very well stop people from arguing their case, nor should we. But if two opponents are happy to let their writeups speak for themselves, that's their prerogative too. Occasionally the debate gets a little excessive (again, we don't want it to be more than people have time to read) but mostly I think this could be fixed with better formatting. E.g., my debate with Aristotle this week got kind of long because we kept quoting each other's whole post and then responding point-by-point to each line, which led to us repeating ourselves a bit. Towards the end of the debate I tried to use more summary instead of quoting, and I think this made it a bit more concise than it would otherwise have been.

Too Ubers
First, people need to realize that not every time someone tries to pick someone up is it actually going to end up happening. Just because someone says "Drop Ant-Man, Pick up Galactus" doesn't mean it's actually going to go through. A lot of the too ubers that people have been getting worried about never actually ended up being allowed. Amazo for instance is currently not allowed so far as I know (I think Wieg had said he'd allow him but then thought better of it.)

That said, I wouldn't mind if people wanted to lower the bar a bit, although we probably shouldn't shift it drastically in mid-season. But if we do, it needs to be done consistently. E.g., you can't kick out Thanos while still allowing the Magus.

To those who think the bar is too high, what's the list of currently-owned ubers you'd like to see declared too uber?

[Khellendros]

[u][b]To those who think the bar is too high, what's the list of currently-owned ubers you'd like to see declared too uber?Starting the list off:
Superman 1 million, any and all versions.
Pulse-8

[Aristotle]

Stark Supreme scares the living **** out of me.
Doomsday/Brainiac, it seems to me, is not possible to beat. Apparently no one believes that he can be affected telepathically unless the person is touching him, which isn't possible unless you have a superfast or superstrong telepath. We know no one can go toe to toe with him. About the only way to deal with him is teleporting him into the Source Wall. At the point where the ONLY way to beat a character is by doing something like that, isn't it time to rethink that character's inclusion?

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'll definitely join, and assume mantle of X's team until he returns.

[wiegeabo]

Glad to have you Mistress. Please feel free to read the current matches and vote. The next round of matches won't start until Monday, so you've got plenty of time do put together a team.

[Ahura Mazda]

And by the way Weig, try a nice Chilean red or an argentenian like les Cheval des Andes or if you have access a nice bordeaux like a Chateau Cheval Blanc or Margaux. Pontet Canet (also much more affordable) is also quite nice.

These wines are like nectars and are not so harsh.

[Aristotle]

If you ever get bored of that, try a Carlo Rossi sangria.

Elegant bouquet.

[Ahura Mazda]

If you ever get bored of that, try a Carlo Rossi sangria.

Elegant bouquet.

That sounds interesting. Sangria is a spanish drink which makes bad wine into a sweet cocktail. Carlo Rossi sounds italian.

Is it an argentenian wine?

[Aristotle]

You shall be sadly disappointed. Carlo Rossi Sangria is, first of all, nothing remotely like real sangria, and second of all, about as Italian as a Papa John's pizza.

It's about a step up from Manischewitz and Mogen David, is I guess what I'm trying to say.

[Nightwing.]

Glad to have you Mistress. Please feel free to read the current matches and vote. The next round of matches won't start until Monday, so you've got plenty of time do put together a team.

So the commisioner gets Mistresses and hookers now?Damn wish I was commishioner now.

Oh and Mistress...please feel free to pm with a line up seen as your first battle is against myself and I can make relevant changes to my team.

Thankyou :)

[X]

Just making it official that I'm leaving.

I'd stay but my teams seemingly already gone, and Wieg and Nightwing among others have made it clear that I'm not going to be missed.

[Khellendros]

Doomsday/Brainiac, it seems to me, is not possible to beat. Apparently no one believes that he can be affected telepathically unless the person is touching him, which isn't possible unless you have a superfast or superstrong telepath. We know no one can go toe to toe with him. About the only way to deal with him is teleporting him into the Source Wall. At the point where the ONLY way to beat a character is by doing something like that, isn't it time to rethink that character's inclusion?
What? Teleporting him into the source wall? Try teleporting him into space. Not like the guy can fly. Or, hell, just tossing him up there if you've got a flier with decent superspeed.

[LadyVader]

Just making it official that I'm leaving.

I'd stay but my teams seemingly already gone, and Wieg and Nightwing among others have made it clear that I'm not going to be missed.

Where is THIS coming from!? :( :wow: I'll miss you!

[X]

Where is THIS coming from!? :( :wow: I'll miss you!

You missed all that?

Eh.

[LadyVader]

Apparently I did. :(

[wiegeabo]

If you ever get bored of that, try a Carlo Rossi sangria.

Elegant bouquet.

Heh.

Guess what company I work for...;)

[LadyVader]

Like honestly, I don't want you (X) to go. I've always enjoyed reading your write-ups since I feel they have the necessary blend of strategy and literary skill. Whatever the issues are I am sure we can work them out. We're doing this for fun, aren't we?

AREN'T WE!?

[X]

It's not a big deal. There was just a string of disappointments that got to me, and I knew I'd been being an ******* for a few weeks so I decided to stop bothering people.

[X]

Like honestly, I don't want you (X) to go. I've always enjoyed reading your write-ups since I feel they have the necessary blend of strategy and literary skill. Whatever the issues are I am sure we can work them out. We're doing this for fun, aren't we?

AREN'T WE!?

More than one persons told me I suck the fun out of this.

[LadyVader]

Well obviously I don't want you to persist in do something you don't like or want to do but I just know that you're going to miss it.

I don't think you suck the fun at all. Yeah, you're good, but nobody is perfect. Everybody is beatable one way or another. And even if you do express your opinions in a crass manner some times... heck it's the Hype. It's not like that is unheard of.

[X]

I love doing it, that's not the issue.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Just making it official that I'm leaving.

I'd stay but my teams seemingly already gone, and Wieg and Nightwing among others have made it clear that I'm not going to be missed.


I -did- say I was holding it until you got back.

[LouFerignoDemon]

And by the way Weig, try a nice Chilean red or an argentenian like les Cheval des Andes or if you have access a nice bordeaux like a Chateau Cheval Blanc or Margaux. Pontet Canet (also much more affordable) is also quite nice.

These wines are like nectars and are not so harsh.

My my my. A conesseiur?

[X]

I was under the impression you picked up the team?

Not a problem regardless. Just thought that's what happened.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'm just holding onto it so the characters don't get picked off.

[Ahura Mazda]

My my my. A conesseiur?

J'en ai quelques un chez moi grace à un beau père qui avait une cave bien fourni.

For those who do not understand, I do buy quite a bit of red with a preference to Bordeaux's.

By the way, my list was very short and did not even touch on years and other wines. There are many out there which are excellent.

I just stated my favourites.

[LadyVader]

I don't want X to go it feels like we're breaking up the family.

Just so you know Mistress GLuon, I'll never call you mommy!

:p

[LouFerignoDemon]

I don't want X to go it feels like we're breaking up the family.

Just so you know Mistress GLuon, I'll never call you mommy!

:p


You do it, dammit! Or I beat you! :cmad:

[LadyVader]

...in jell-o?

(that'll give em something to think about) :)

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'll bring my white bikini. (Like nobody saw that colour coming. x.x)

[Ahura Mazda]

Wow the images that come to my mind are not really appropriate to this website ;)

[wiegeabo]

Mine aren't appropriate for any website.

[wiegeabo]

Just a reminder, votes are due today.

[Khellendros]

More than one persons told me I suck the fun out of this.Oh, come on, you big queen, stop being so cranky and come back. I was one of the people that said that, and even though at the moment you WERE pissing me off, I wasn't trying to get rid of you.

[X]

I'm really pretty far beyond inciting any more drama at the moment. I'm trying to not be an irritable grumpy bastard who's into the game to the point of being obnoxious.

Me vs. Gog. Your pissing contests with Aristotle. It just feels like an endless string of it and I can see where Wieg and others are getting the "this isn't fun anymore" feelings. I don't feel that way personally, but being the source of it kind of makes it irrelevant.

I came into this season with the plan that I'd write every week regardless of the other person showing up. I'd put a lot into it every week, everything. And I did that.

Even if I was a complete bastard, I always felt like I did a lot of good.

No one in the years that DTL has been running has brought more people into this thing.

Even Guyverjay back in season one. This season?

Khell. Aristotle. Who. Kaboom. Catman. Gluon. Just in a few weeks.

No one gives more input, n one'll help you out researching characters more.

And then Wieg, the most level headed person on here who never has a bad thing to say about anybody, basically tells me that I'm a piece of crap and that I'm going to be missed.

It got to me. As did a a string of disappointments, half my matches being duds where only I showed up (Against Leaguer especially, who lead me to believe he was going to put out something amazing) Arguing for weeks over a single character, asking for feedback on my write-up's and being told by Nightwing that I was looking for someone to masterbate my ego. Vader getting disgusted and nearly quitting early on. Nightwing then quitting.

Eh.

[LadyVader]

Hey, I wasn't disgusted! Although yes, I was pretty miffed about the changes going on but you were one of the people that talked me down, reassured me and stuff and now I'm doing matches with stick figures! I wish I could do the same now. Reassure you, not do stick figures, do I will if it helps! How do you feel about little x's for eyes? :D

Wieg wasn't so harsh. I mean everybody can get a little tense and everybody contributed to wieg's reactions because some people really don't know when to drop it (yall know who you are).

When did Nightwing quit!?

[Ahura Mazda]

Hey, I wasn't disgusted! Although yes, I was pretty miffed about the changes going on but you were one of the people that talked me down, reassured me and stuff and now I'm doing matches with stick figures! I wish I could do the same now. Reassure you, not do stick figures, do I will if it helps! How do you feel about little x's for eyes? :D

Wieg wasn't so harsh. I mean everybody can get a little tense and everybody contributed to wieg's reactions because some people really don't know when to drop it (yall know who you are).

When did Nightwing quit!?

He quit and came back...

[LadyVader]

Nobody tells me anything!

[Khellendros]

everybody contributed to wieg's reactions because some people really don't know when to drop it (yall know who you are).Go, on, you can say my name. Lord knows you've done it enough to this point.

[Catman_prb]

*wanders into thread, looking dazed* Oh did I miss something interesting? My votes have been cast. Sorry for the lack of input, I'm trying to write the History of the Saxophone by tommorrow morning.

[LadyVader]

Go, on, you can say my name.
as they say in my native land

"Cine se simte, ala e" :oldrazz:

Lord knows you've done it enough to this point.

Well I needed a new derogatory word that made an impact.
"Oh, don't be such a Khell!"

[wiegeabo]

Doing some quick checking, looks like we're getting five or six votes per match. I'd like to see at least a couple more before closing ends tonight.

[Nightwing.]

...in jell-o?

(that'll give em something to think about) :)

that why i love women

[Nightwing.]

Hey, I wasn't disgusted! Although yes, I was pretty miffed about the changes going on but you were one of the people that talked me down, reassured me and stuff and now I'm doing matches with stick figures! I wish I could do the same now. Reassure you, not do stick figures, do I will if it helps! How do you feel about little x's for eyes? :D

Wieg wasn't so harsh. I mean everybody can get a little tense and everybody contributed to wieg's reactions because some people really don't know when to drop it (yall know who you are).

When did Nightwing quit!?

I will be honest...I said some things to X which were a little harsh and petty. They were purely in retaliation to the fact I had decided to quit and he just out right started unnecessarily attacking my decision.

For this I will hold my hands up....


(See they were up for a while which is why its taken me longer to type this post)

....and say sorry.

X, The last thing I wanted was for you to feel **** and quit. I think we have ironed a few things out since the sudden departing/dummy-spitting-out of myself and you.

Rejoin. Mistress Gluon can still join on the other ownerless team and everyone can go back to being happy DTL'ers again.

[Khellendros]

as they say in my native land

"Cine se simte, ala e" :oldrazz:
1: Translate
2: Where the hell are you from?

[Nightwing.]

Shes our resident Romanian.

On your knees and show respect...(plus you can see up her skirt from down here)

[wiegeabo]

Shes our resident Romanian.

On your knees and show respect...(plus you can see up her skirt from down here)

Why doesn't someone tell me these things!!! :cmad:

[wiegeabo]

Still some time to get votes in. Remember, you have to vote in all matches for your votes to count.

[X]

We're all going to get fired for e-sexual harassment soon. :o :cmad:

[X]

Grr, I apologize for not giving reasons for all of my votes. I'm literally on my way out the door and I won't be back tonight, topped by not being on the Hype for days already.

Sorry.

[Aristotle]

Heh.

Guess what company I work for...;)You're kidding...

[Aristotle]

So...X, make a decision, so I know if there's even the smidgenest of chances of my taking a second team.

[wiegeabo]

You're kidding...

I'm not kidding. I actually work for E&J Gallo. :D

[X]

So...X, make a decision, so I know if there's even the smidgenest of chances of my taking a second team.

That's been against the rules for years.

Guyver and Hobbit both caught serious **** for trying to get away with it.

[X]

Ah, by the way, I plan on giving in-depth feedback to everyone that wrote something this week within the next day or so. I hate it when I don't get any, so even if it's a day late and what not I'll still get it in.

[Aristotle]

I'm not kidding. I actually work for E&J Gallo. :DHeh. You get free product with that gig?

[Aristotle]

That's been against the rules for years.

Guyver and Hobbit both caught serious **** for trying to get away with it.Yeah, but there's no reason for it to be against the rules, really.

[Khellendros]

We're all going to get fired for e-sexual harassment soon. :o :cmad:Pffft. She loves it.

[LadyVader]

Khell, stop being such a Khell. :p

[X]

Yeah, but there's no reason for it to be against the rules, really.

Eh, we've got a 12 character limit per each team for a reason.

If there wasn't a problem with someone having two teams we could all just have 24 characters.

[Ahura Mazda]

Wieg, if it would help any I could vote as well given that we are not voting in our own matches.

[wiegeabo]

Wieg, if it would help any I could vote as well given that we are not voting in our own matches.

That's fine. The dual-owner rule really applies to writeups and debating.

[wiegeabo]

Heh. You get free product with that gig?

Each quarter we get an allotment of 2 cases. This means that, each quarter, we can go to our on-site wine shop and buy the equivalent of two cases of nearly any product at a little above half of retail price.

And if the product is on close-out, or unsellable to the public (like the labels got screwed up during bottling) we can buy as much as we want at the discounted price without it counting against our allotment.

And each holiday season we're allowed one free case of product. We can take the pre-built holiday variety pack (has different wines, a brandy, a dessert liqueur, and a gin), or build our own case as long as it's not the super expensive stuff (my co-worker was still able to put together a hundred dollar case of wine for free), or a three pound box of fine chocolate (this is the only thing workers under the drinking age can get).

[X]

Wasn't voting supposed to end last night?

[wiegeabo]

Yeah, but Gluon's only voted in two matches, and Ahura might vote.

[X]

You want me back yet, Wieg, or you still want me to roll into traffic and die?

[X]

Well, regardless of Wieg's cosmic dislike of me, I guess I'll reclaim my team now... If that's okay with Gluron and what not.

[wiegeabo]

You want me back yet, Wieg, or you still want me to roll into traffic and die?

Why do you make these choices so tough? :confused: ;)


Dude, I don't want you to go. Everyone has a breaking point, and I had finally hit mine. All the fighting and attacking pushed me over the edge, and if I hadn't vented, I would have killed someone. Or at least seriously wounded them. I wouldn't have missed all the bickering that was going on but, c'mon, a DTL without X is like...season 4. And we all know how well that went.

[DTL Commish]

O rly?

I was barely there for season 3 too. :(

Ugh... How did season four go, exactly?

[wiegeabo]

We started with 14, I think. The we were down to 12. Then 8. Then 7. And people stopped really participating. I think I called the season over a few games before the playoffs.

[X]

Ah... That's no ****ing good.

I see my constant nagging and PM sending keeps people suitably interested. :up: ;)

What's the current situation with Else-Man and Superman One Million, out of curiosity?

[Khellendros]

I think we're missing the most important thing: I'm tied with Wieg. This can not stand! One must stand, one must fall!








Also, I already voted on the matches. Ahura and I have an unspoken agreement that whoever does the debating for our team that week also does the voting.

[wiegeabo]

Superman 1 Mil is still in. Else-Man is out.

[wiegeabo]

I think we're missing the most important thing: I'm tied with Wieg. This can not stand! One must stand, one must fall!








Also, I already voted on the matches. Ahura and I have an unspoken agreement that whoever does the debating for our team that week also does the voting.



Pulls sword.

"There can be only one."

[X]

Superman 1 Mil is still in. Else-Man is out.

Ah. Why?

[wiegeabo]

I've made room for Mistress Gluon's team. Once she puts one together, I'll add her to the schedule and rankings.

[DTL Commish]

I've got a match-up for week five, correct?

That's from you tweaking the schedule?

[wiegeabo]

I didn't tweak the schedule or anything. :confused:

[X]

I thought I had a bye week week five...?

[wiegeabo]

Yours was in week 1 (which wasn't a bye, you were just against Fantomex)

[X]

Ah, okay.

I was almost positive I was going to sit week five (The Oa match) out. Or that was what was going to happen.

[wiegeabo]

I remember LV was worried about missing the Oa match with a bye. But when Mistress fully joins, they'll be facing each other. And we'll get some great girl on girl action!

[LadyVader]

Might as well turn the match into an orgy. How's that for a gimmick? :)

[wiegeabo]

Might as well turn the match into an orgy. How's that for a gimmick? :)

I'm voting for you now. Even if it is 7 weeks early. :word:

[X]

Might as well turn the match into an orgy. How's that for a gimmick? :)

Khell's an orgy hog. :o

We need to boot his ass.

[wiegeabo]

Last call for votes. I'll be closing them up soon.

[Johnny Blaze]

I hate last calls. :csad:

[wiegeabo]

I hate last calls. :csad:

You don't have to go home, but you can't vote here...

[X]

I say we figure out some incentive to work towards winning season five...

Maybe Hobbit can make awards again, if we ask him too?

Maybe Corp could be so kind as draw the winning team?

Maybe we could all pitch in some spare comics, and send them to the winner?

I know I've got the entire Hellstorm run, which I'd give away. Good comics, very good... I've been looking to get rid of them though and that'd be a good cause.

What say you guys?

[Khellendros]

Khell's an orgy hog. :o

We need to boot his ass.The term is Hedonist. Get it right, illiterate monkey!

[wiegeabo]

Voting is now closed.

If you didn't vote in all four matches, I can't count your votes.

[X]

Erm, did no one see the "rewards" thing I posted above?

[wiegeabo]

I say we figure out some incentive to work towards winning season five...

Maybe Hobbit can make awards again, if we ask him too?

Maybe Corp could be so kind as draw the winning team?

Maybe we could all pitch in some spare comics, and send them to the winner?

I know I've got the entire Hellstorm run, which I'd give away. Good comics, very good... I've been looking to get rid of them though and that'd be a good cause.

What say you guys?


I've always wanted to have a comics prize, sort of like how we do it in CoM.

What I'd really like to do is have a pool. Everyone puts in their comics, and if they pull out of the competition, they don't get them back. But there's no way to do that.


What we could do is promise to send the champion a few comics (like 3 or 5). Anyone who welches...would get dirty looks the next season. :cmad:

[wiegeabo]

Looking at the standings, we now have only 2 undefeated teams.

And, somehow, Tim is running a perfect season with 100 percent of all votes in his matches.

[X]

I've always wanted to have a comics prize, sort of like how we do it in CoM.

What I'd really like to do is have a pool. Everyone puts in their comics, and if they pull out of the competition, they don't get them back. But there's no way to do that.


What we could do is promise to send the champion a few comics (like 3 or 5). Anyone who welches...would get dirty looks the next season. :cmad:

Well, why not do it with me and others then?

I honestly think we should do it next season or some such, make it so that if you don't participate every week you can't get the prize.

Basically make it the most competitive and active DTL season ever, with a huge prize at the end of it.

[X]

We could all send like... 10 comics that we didn't want or need anymore. Not garbage but just excess ones we could part with.

Or everyone could pick a higher end, nice comic and send it.

[Harlekin]

By the by, X, would you mind not posting under the DTL Commish account when it's not necessary (such as in posting line-ups and responding to stuff). It's confusing.

[wiegeabo]

Well, why not do it with me and others then?

I honestly think we should do it next season or some such, make it so that if you don't participate every week you can't get the prize.

Basically make it the most competitive and active DTL season ever, with a huge prize at the end of it.


We could set a minimum limit. (Say, a minimum of $10 or $25 or whatever worth of comics based on what comicpriceguide.com says).

Miss a week, get a warning. Miss another, can only win half value prize. Miss a third, you're out of the League for the season.

And anyone who doesn't send their comics is ineligible to win any the next season.

[wiegeabo]

Or how about this:

Champion gets $15 of comics from everyone.
Second place gets $10 of comics from everyone (this could be optional).
Most improved (or MVP, or best newcomer in case they took up an ownerless team) gets $5 of comics from everyone.


Whatever the values or prizes, some kind of incentive to stay in and win in the league, and some kind of incentive to continue playing even if you're out of the playoffs.

[JinnSato]

Hey X just sent me a PM asking me to come and check this out.

So can someone explain to me whats happening so far.
I get it's like the Fantasy Football thing.

[X]

By the by, X, would you mind not posting under the DTL Commish account when it's not necessary (such as in posting line-ups and responding to stuff). It's confusing.

Eh, sorry. Sometimes I'm just updating things and I forget.

[X]

Or how about this:

Champion gets $15 of comics from everyone.
Second place gets $10 of comics from everyone (this could be optional).
Most improved (or MVP, or best newcomer in case they took up an ownerless team) gets $5 of comics from everyone.


Whatever the values or prizes, some kind of incentive to stay in and win in the league, and some kind of incentive to continue playing even if you're out of the playoffs.

Eh, how would we figure out what $15 of comics are, exactly?

I say everyone that's willing pitches in as many comics as they want, within sanity. Honestly, if you've got a dozen comics you don't want, why not send all of them too someone as a prize that they worked damn hard for?

$15 worth of comics kind of seems like less than the winner of a super competitive DTL season would deserve. And why limit it to a specific number when we could give more, you know?

[X]

Hey X just sent me a PM asking me to come and check this out.

So can someone explain to me whats happening so far.
I get it's like the Fantasy Football thing.

A lot of the rules are in here - http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=285281

[wiegeabo]

Eh, how would we figure out what $15 of comics are, exactly?

I say everyone that's willing pitches in as many comics as they want, within sanity. Honestly, if you've got a dozen comics you don't want, why not send all of them too someone as a prize that they worked damn hard for?

$15 worth of comics kind of seems like less than the winner of a super competitive DTL season would deserve. And why limit it to a specific number when we could give more, you know?


You've got to do the math. $15 from 13 other players is $145 worth of comics. And if the issues average $2 each, that's over 70 comics.

And we can use comicspriceguide.com to find the value of the comics. (If someone wants to send more, go ahead, but you should plan on having enough spares every season).

[X]

Oooooh, I thought you meant $15 total. I was like... Whaaaaat? That's it?

Not everyone's going to pitch in comics, that I can guarantee you. But some of us would pick up the slack more than others.

Honestly, what would be really good is if everyone could maybe put up a limited series or a short solo series.

Like I've got all 20 issues of Hellstorm. Warren Ellis did some of the later issues, really good stuff. I've been looking to get rid of that series, and considering I couldn't get more than 10 bucks for it on Ebay, I'd gladly get give it away to the DTL winner.

We could all figure out what we wanted to put into the comics "pot", and then split up the winnings between 1st, 2nd, and maybe 3rd place, so there'd be more incentive for people to even just get 2nd or 3rd place, just not the damned hard to achieve first place.

[JinnSato]

So0 can someone explain to me whats going on right now please??

[X]

Ah, what are you confused over, exactly?

We're in-between weeks figuring a few things out.

[LadyVader]

Not everyone's going to pitch in comics, that I can guarantee you. But some of us would pick up the slack more than others.

Honestly, what would be really good is if everyone could maybe put up a limited series or a short solo series.



Not everyone. :csad:

[JinnSato]

Well like what things.
I understand the concept.
It's just that I would like to know the rules, and was wondering how the in between weeks thing works.

[LadyVader]

Nobody does anything. That's how it works. :) X gave you a link, there is a basic explanation of the rules what we are doing now has nothing to do with the general approach to the games. We have some new players and we're trying to rearrange the schedule in order to acomodate them. That is all.

[wiegeabo]

Well, normally, we just have one match after the other. But we're taking a couple of days off for the holidays (like we will in December).

One thing we need to figure out is that we have 13 teams, and room for 14, but 3 new interested players (which would make 16).

[X]

Honestly, the more the better.

What do we have to lose? Worst case scenario, someone drops out. Best, we gain one or more people that are going to stick with this for a long, long time. And that's exactly what we need for next season.

Also... I've got an 11 character roster? I lost a character somewhere. :o

[Aristotle]

It would be cool to be able to pick up a few characters from fiction but how would people be able to decide what feats they can achieve,who they could affect and who they couldnt etc etcWell I was only talking about other incarnations of DCU characters.

The other thing about Super Friends is that their comic maintained enough of a loose connection with the DC multiverse that it was dubbed Earth-1A, tying the TV show to an actual earth in the DC multiverse. Yes yes? Again, I'm mostly just making hypothetical banter here, as I have no desire for the Super Friends characters. I'll take this over to the Discussion thread.

[Harlekin]

Yeah, just for the record, I'm not playing if I need to pitch in on some kind of prize. That's not what I signed up for.

[Nightwing.]

Sorry is it just me or are people actually writing how they think my team would lose then voting?

I thought the votes were based on how people handle the battles in write ups...I didnt think people debated on behave of my opponent and then voted for them.Its like they are trying to help my opponent win by showing other voters how they COULD win.Not how they worte it.Cos if you look at how they wrote it and also what most people have said...Juggernaut would be the biggest problem and a proper solution wasnt highlighted by Catman.It was by Aristotle and Mistress Gluon but that isnt their job to highlight these things.Only if there are two no shows which they then use their votes and thoughts on which team they think would win.You cant just disregard the write ups.Or atleast mine completely.Everyone seemed to be looking for a way for Catman to win.Did noone think my team could take out his?

Were my strategies really that bad?

Wieg is this type of debating/voting legal?Im sure Harlekin mentioned earlier in the Week 4 Set 1 thread that it isn't.Can we get some finalisation on this rule please?

Secondly I dont have enough good comics or any decent comics to just give up like that.My son reads them and also I very very rarely buy any.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I remember LV was worried about missing the Oa match with a bye. But when Mistress fully joins, they'll be facing each other. And we'll get some great girl on girl action!


A rematch! The moment I make my team. x.x Should be today.

But I can't seem to find a list of people's teams readily, and keep trying to add people who are on other teams.>.<

[X]

Yeah, just for the record, I'm not playing if I need to pitch in on some kind of prize. That's not what I signed up for.

You don't have to do anything, and neither one of us ever said that you or anyone else would have to.

[X]

A rematch! The moment I make my team. x.x Should be today.

But I can't seem to find a list of people's teams readily, and keep trying to add people who are on other teams.>.<

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=285281

There ya' go.

[LadyVader]

Yeah, just for the record, I'm not playing if I need to pitch in on some kind of prize. That's not what I signed up for.

Shhhh, Harl. We could score some freebies. Don't blow this. :oldrazz:

[Aristotle]

Yeah, just for the record, I'm not playing if I need to pitch in on some kind of prize. That's not what I signed up for.I would also not be in on any kind of prize.

[Aristotle]

Wieg is this type of debating/voting legal?Im sure Harlekin mentioned earlier in the Week 4 Set 1 thread that it isn't.Can we get some finalisation on this rule please?Harl said that one round of feedback is allowed/enough--i.e., tell a guy why you're voting against him to give you a chance to convince you otherwise.

[Catman_prb]

Sorry is it just me or are people actually writing how they think my team would lose then voting?

I thought the votes were based on how people handle the battles in write ups...I didnt think people debated on behave of my opponent and then voted for them.Its like they are trying to help my opponent win by showing other voters how they COULD win.Not how they worte it.Cos if you look at how they wrote it and also what most people have said...Juggernaut would be the biggest problem and a proper solution wasnt highlighted by Catman.It was by Aristotle and Mistress Gluon but that isnt their job to highlight these things.Only if there are two no shows which they then use their votes and thoughts on which team they think would win.You cant just disregard the write ups.Or atleast mine completely.Everyone seemed to be looking for a way for Catman to win.Did noone think my team could take out his?

Were my strategies really that bad?

Wieg is this type of debating/voting legal?Im sure Harlekin mentioned earlier in the Week 4 Set 1 thread that it isn't.Can we get some finalisation on this rule please?

Secondly I dont have enough good comics or any decent comics to just give up like that.My son reads them and also I very very rarely buy any.
Mate, if it's any consilation at all, I would've voted for you. I'm really suprised that I won it actually. I couldn't argue a lot of the points cos I had to do a shed load of work.

[Aristotle]

So now that we apparently have 16 teams, are we gonna see like a COMPLETELY reworked schedule? And what do we do about teams not having been here for the first four weeks?

I guess my biggest concern is, do I NOT have to twiddle my thumbs on a BYE round this week?

Also, are lineups due Monday?

[wiegeabo]

Right now we have 14 teams. Since Mistress Gluon is building hers, I'll be replacing the bye weeks on the schedule with her team.

I'm not going to bump us up to 16 teams. We're already a third of the way through the regular season (yes, we're that far), and adding two more teams to the schedule is easy. The entire schedule would have to be reworked. I'd rather continue the season and keep matches going. But AM and Jinto are more than welcome to participate in discussions and read/vote in matches. And if anyone want to co-own their team with them, I'm fine with that. It'll give them experience in the League, and hopefully make participation easier on those owners.


I also want to start week 5 on Monday, so I'd like to have lineups due by midnight tomorrow to give everyone a day to learn about their opponents and prepare strategies.

[X]

Eh, I really don't think it's a good idea cutting out multiple new potential members.

[wiegeabo]

Sorry is it just me or are people actually writing how they think my team would lose then voting?

I thought the votes were based on how people handle the battles in write ups...I didnt think people debated on behave of my opponent and then voted for them.Its like they are trying to help my opponent win by showing other voters how they COULD win.Not how they worte it.Cos if you look at how they wrote it and also what most people have said...Juggernaut would be the biggest problem and a proper solution wasnt highlighted by Catman.It was by Aristotle and Mistress Gluon but that isnt their job to highlight these things.Only if there are two no shows which they then use their votes and thoughts on which team they think would win.You cant just disregard the write ups.Or atleast mine completely.Everyone seemed to be looking for a way for Catman to win.Did noone think my team could take out his?

Were my strategies really that bad?

Wieg is this type of debating/voting legal?Im sure Harlekin mentioned earlier in the Week 4 Set 1 thread that it isn't.Can we get some finalisation on this rule please?

Secondly I dont have enough good comics or any decent comics to just give up like that.My son reads them and also I very very rarely buy any.


Ok, I do want to try and make this clear. The only ones who can debate on a match are the two owners in the match. And they can only debate once both have their writeups finished.

The only time voters can comment is when they vote, and only in the one post. We can voluntarily make a brief feedback comment on each match of what we did or didn't like. But no suggesting strategies or in other ways debating the match because, even when voting is in progress, owners can still debate to try and sway those who have yet to vote.

Voters also should not factor in the style of writing. Some people prefer more of a debate style, others more of a story style, and some may switch from on to the other depending on the time they have that week. What is important is strategy and tactics, not style.

[wiegeabo]

Eh, I really don't think it's a good idea cutting out multiple new potential members.

Be that as it may, we're at full strength now. And I'd rather have some backup players ready to take up any teams in which the owner has to drop out, then have more teams and no backup owners when it happens. That way we don't have to worry about bye weeks or automatic wins.

[X]

The problem there is that we're forcing people to hang around to maybe have a chance to play at a latter date.

It's asking a bit much considering this is just an online comic game. Who's to say they'll stick around?

[Aristotle]

So these two new guys don't get teams then?

[X]

Nope.

[X]

Would anyone have a problem with some of the more obvious characters that aren't too uber being removed from that list?

Off the top of my head...

Absorbing Man (Earth X)
The Doctor (We allow Pulse-8, and Zatanna)

Takion (Who we discussed weeks ago as literally being a DC Herald)

Dr. Manhattan (Did NOTHING to demonstrate even being beyond the typical top tier)

[Catman_prb]

Shouldn't that be in the Rankings thread?

[X]

Maybe. Meh.

[Nightwing.]

Ok, I do want to try and make this clear. The only ones who can debate on a match are the two owners in the match. And they can only debate once both have their writeups finished.

The only time voters can comment is when they vote, and only in the one post. We can voluntarily make a brief feedback comment on each match of what we did or didn't like. But no suggesting strategies or in other ways debating the match because, even when voting is in progress, owners can still debate to try and sway those who have yet to vote.

Voters also should not factor in the style of writing. Some people prefer more of a debate style, others more of a story style, and some may switch from on to the other depending on the time they have that week. What is important is strategy and tactics, not style.

I feel robbed this week cos it seems the voters were swaying other voters more than the other debater was.

Oh well.I might win a match this season.Who knows.

[Nightwing.]

Mate, if it's any consilation at all, I would've voted for you. I'm really suprised that I won it actually. I couldn't argue a lot of the points cos I had to do a shed load of work.

Hey dont worry about it.I wasnt getting at you it was more at the voters who were swaying the other voters. It was a bit annoying especially when I worked so hard and listed not only the strengths of my debate/write up strategy but I also highlighted the weaknesses and how I still couldve become victorious from that.

But congratulations anyway mate.Good first battle and good luck with the rest of the tournament.

[Aristotle]

OK, I'd really love to post a lineup, but it still says I'm playing a BYE. Does that mean I'm playing Gluon? If so, where's her lineup?

[LouFerignoDemon]

When, and if, I get one more medium, and my four regulars.

[Aristotle]

Wiegs, can I be excused from posting a lineup until after I see her full roster?

And again, I am playing Gluon right?

[wiegeabo]

No. I want that lineup NOW!!! :cmad: :p


Calm down. I've update the schedule.

[JewishHobbit]

That's been against the rules for years.

Guyver and Hobbit both caught serious **** for trying to get away with it.

Hey... I never tried to own a second team! God knows I barely had time to own The Odd Alliance/All New Exiles. My 'scandal' was being (falsely) accused of creating a second account to add votes to my matches.

Just keeping the problems of the past straight :)

[Aristotle]

We Jews. We never do stop conniving to cheat people.

[X]

We Jews. We never do stop conniving to cheat people.

I date one of the dirty things.

I mean, I love her. A lot. :huh:

[wiegeabo]

I've added a new section the to Update thread to keep track of people who have missed weeks, and those who have yet to use 12 characters (which will be most everyone this early in the season).

I don't think anyone's missed a week yet, so that's good.

[Aristotle]

Didn't Leaguer just miss a week?

Also, my team, because of our rocky ownership struggles, has in fact used 12 characters already. So even if we end up 1-12 on the season...you *****es betta recognize that speedy accomplishment.

[Aristotle]

I date one of the dirty things.

I mean, I love her. A lot. :huh:What a catch. Living in Kansas, I resigned myself long ago to the fact that I'd never meet a nice Jewish girl. Ended up with an English girl, somehow.

[X]

Jews... *Shrugs*

Leaguer did miss a week. He talked an amazing amount of ****, promising some amazing material or something...

And then didn't post for two weeks.

[Aristotle]

Maybe he thought he posted and the Hype ate it.

[LadyVader]

I've added a new section the to Update thread to keep track of people who have missed weeks, and those who have yet to use 12 characters (which will be most everyone this early in the season).

I don't think anyone's missed a week yet, so that's good.

What is this about? I'll use my characters when, where and how I choose. That's why they are MY characters. Threatening me into using them doesn't seem fair. :whatever:

[Harlekin]

Jews... *Shrugs*

Leaguer did miss a week. He talked an amazing amount of ****, promising some amazing material or something...

And then didn't post for two weeks.
Considering Leaguer hasn't been posted at all since then, it's probably something concerning real life, which should always take precedence.

[X]

From what Corp told me, he just got really busy with school.

[Harlekin]

Aka real life, which I find a pretty good excuse not to post.

[X]

For multiple weeks though?

Come on.

He could of at least let me know he wasn't going to be here last week.

It's a little unfair to promise someone some hotly debated contest of a DTL week and then not even appear.

[Harlekin]

Sometimes school can mess with a lot of plans.

[X]

Yeah, I know that.

Eh. I guess I just got hyped up once Leaguer started leading me on about giving me a good week.

[wiegeabo]

What is this about? I'll use my characters when, where and how I choose. That's why they are MY characters. Threatening me into using them doesn't seem fair. :whatever:

But that's always been a rule. In all previous seasons you had to use at least 10 different characters by the time of the playoffs. And since we have 12 person roster this season, it's been bumped to 12.

It's just that I don't think anyone has had the problem of not using enough characters since probably the first season. So it's never really been an issues before. And all it really means is that you use all the characters in your roster at least once. You don't even have to change your team at all if you don't want to.

[X]

Question, because I'm not sure what the final ruling was.

Was Vertigo fully done away with?

If so, why?

I can literally guarantee that if you asked the league as a whole there'd be an overwhelming majority to allow Vertigo characters.

The huge majority of them are just as fleshed out as any character in this.

We allow Wildstorm because it's a part of the Wildstorm Universe. The same exact thing applies to Vertigo.

I see absolutely no reason to have a knee jerk reaction to banning an entire comic line, losing hundreds of potential characters in the process, because a handful of them might be vague.

That allows to the mainstream DC and Marvel universes as well.

[Aristotle]

I think the real issue here is that Vertigo is not a "universe." Most of the comics published by the company, especially these days, have no relation to any multiverse, but there are still books that DO. Hellblazer has always maintained a connection to the DCU, despite its realtime vs. comic-time discrepancies, and despite its lack of participation in the DCU since the very beginning. Swamp Thing has always been tied to the DCU as well. Doom Patrol and Animal Man were Vertigo titles for awhile, as was Jonah Hex.

That's the real issue to me.

[Nightwing.]

Well i only have one more character to use to pass that rule and thats Superman (Kingdom Come) which at some point i will....im also thinking of making a change soon...have a character in mind just biding my time before i make it official...might just stick with this team you see.....

[wiegeabo]

I've updated the unused characters numbers for those of us who've been here from the start. (I'll get to the newbies later). So far, we're all well on pace for meeting the 12 character rule, or have already met it.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm quitting the DTL. Neither Leaguer nor I seem to have the time or the interest to put much effort into our team, and frankly the DTL as a whole just isn't much fun for me anymore. It's more of a chore now, and that's about as good a sign as you can get that it's time to pack it in. Best of luck to the rest of you. :up:

[Aristotle]

Well, Asteroid-Man, there's your team.

[Khellendros]

...

That's it, I quit too. **** you guys.





















































Just kidding. You ****s WISH.

[wiegeabo]

Well, Asteroid-Man, there's your team.

If you want to claim The Namless Wonders for yourself, Asteroid-Man, you're more than welcome. The same goes to Jinn. First come, first serve.


Unless you wish to have a deathmatch for ownership. Two men enter, one man leaves, and I get all television rights and half the pay-per-view take. :woot:

[Harlekin]

I'm quitting the DTL. Neither Leaguer nor I seem to have the time or the interest to put much effort into our team, and frankly the DTL as a whole just isn't much fun for me anymore. It's more of a chore now, and that's about as good a sign as you can get that it's time to pack it in. Best of luck to the rest of you. :up:
:( Corpy!

I can understand. Godspeed.

[LadyVader]

I'm quitting the DTL. Neither Leaguer nor I seem to have the time or the interest to put much effort into our team, and frankly the DTL as a whole just isn't much fun for me anymore. It's more of a chore now, and that's about as good a sign as you can get that it's time to pack it in. Best of luck to the rest of you. :up:
Well, I'll miss you :( but at least you and Leaguer have eachother. :cwink:

[Aristotle]

OK, since X has brought the question of Vertigo characters, I thought I'd throw in a similar concern, which I've voiced before, to an extent.

Why aren't Super Friends and the DCAU admissible? I mean, it could be broadened to other adaptations (not to ANY FICTION, as some have apparently suggested), but those two in particular have strong connections to the DC Multiverse, certainly in a setting in which Elseworlds and What Ifs are admissible.

The DCAU has, from time to time, been briefly featured in DCU publications as an alternate timeline, or an alternate universe, or an alternate dimension or whathaveyou. Remember that Superman-Batman issue when Batman Beyond showed up briefly? Note also the simple fact the actual majority of DCAU stories WERE comic books, and it seems obvious that DCAU stories and characters should be allowable.

However, perhaps more importantly, the DCAU presents possibly the most definitive iterations of Darkseid and Superman. Darkseid is a top-end battler, and could take down his post-COIE comics incarnation in a twinkling. But he's also no Galactus. This is really the only Darkseid that is workable in any setting other than Kirby's original semi-self-contained Fourth World saga. A badass brick, but not a guy who can one-shot anyone in the DCU with the Omega effect. Superman, as well, is presented very well in the DCAU. Largely depowered, as was his post-COIE comics version, this one actually gave an EXPLANATION: he's holding back. This, too, is the way we SHOULD see Superman. Not a god like he was pre-Crisis, but not a little wuss that just about any cosmic big bastard can go ten rounds with like he has been post-Crisis.

Also, Super Friends. These guys actually got their own Earth in the original Multiverse, Earth-1A. There is literally no reason to consider them outside the DCU--they are as much a part of it as any other character that existed pre-Crisis.

[Khellendros]

Okay, Vertigo I wouldn't mind, but **** that letting in cartoons idea. I hate the idea that now I'd have to watch a bunch of cartoons if I want to get an idea of what someone's draft choice can actually do.

Seriously, what is with the hardon for letting them in?

[Aristotle]

I just don't see why not is all.

[Nightwing.]

I'm quitting the DTL. Neither Leaguer nor I seem to have the time or the interest to put much effort into our team, and frankly the DTL as a whole just isn't much fun for me anymore. It's more of a chore now, and that's about as good a sign as you can get that it's time to pack it in. Best of luck to the rest of you. :up:

shame to see you leave Corp and Leaguer.Hopefully youll pop in every now and again to see how much mor fun we're gonna make it.

[Dark Gog]

I'm quitting the DTL. Neither Leaguer nor I seem to have the time or the interest to put much effort into our team, and frankly the DTL as a whole just isn't much fun for me anymore. It's more of a chore now, and that's about as good a sign as you can get that it's time to pack it in. Best of luck to the rest of you. :up:

I'm sorry to hear that. you wouldn't be too terribly impressed if I said I forbid you to leave, would you?

[LouFerignoDemon]

Apologies guys. My place of operation called me in Friday night, and as I'm contractually bound and obligated to them, I was basically forced to reside there until about midday today, where I basically was still forced to stay there finishing up odds and ends sort of junk with my team till about half an hour ago.

As I basically now have to go home, as I'm on my little phone thingie, I'll post up my lineup tonight if that's alright, if it's not, then oh well, nothing I can do about that. x.x

[X]

So when is week 6 going to start?

[wiegeabo]

Apologies guys. My place of operation called me in Friday night, and as I'm contractually bound and obligated to them, I was basically forced to reside there until about midday today, where I basically was still forced to stay there finishing up odds and ends sort of junk with my team till about half an hour ago.

As I basically now have to go home, as I'm on my little phone thingie, I'll post up my lineup tonight if that's alright, if it's not, then oh well, nothing I can do about that. x.x


Go ahead and post it tonight. I doubt Aristotle will mind the extra competition.

[wiegeabo]

So when is week 6 going to start?

Week 5 will start tonight. Week 6 will start on Thursday the 6th.

[X]

Ah, whoops.

Thanks.

[wiegeabo]

That reminds me, I want to put up a schedule since I want to try out the new week-and-a-half schedule.

Basically, each match will take 10 days. 4 days for writeups/debates, 3 days for voting, 2 days for lineups, and a day off before the next match (or in case we need to stick an extra day somewhere). This gives us an extra day to write, and eliminates the overlap we used to have.


So here's how I see the rest of the season going:
Week 5: Nov. 26 - Dec. 5
Week 6: Dec. 6 - Dec. 15
Holiday break
Week 7: Jan. 3 - Jan. 12
Week 8: Jan. 13 - Jan. 23
Week 9: Jan. 24 - Feb. 3
Week 10: Feb. 4 - Feb. 14
Week 11: Feb. 15 - Feb. 25
Week 12: Feb. 26 - Mar. 7
Week 13: Mar. 8 - Mar. 18


Now that I've seen how long this would make the season run, there are a couple of things we could do to shorten it.

We could have a third match in December.
We could eliminate the extra (10th) day. (That would save a week and make an extra match in December easier.)
We could eliminate the third voting day. (That would save us another week).

And we could go back down to a normal week schedule for playoffs since they'll be fewer matches to read.

[Aristotle]

I say have a third match in December, but make it extra long, maybe twice as long, which will be more possible because of the second one, dropping the 10th day.

But voting should be open as long as possible.

[LouFerignoDemon]

It seems the lineup has been posted for me. I can deal with it. Win or lose, I might be too busy here pretty soon to keep going anyway. x.x

[X]

It seems the lineup has been posted for me. I can deal with it. Win or lose, I might be too busy here pretty soon to keep going anyway. x.x

****.

[Aristotle]

It seems the lineup has been posted for me. I can deal with it. Win or lose, I might be too busy here pretty soon to keep going anyway. x.xWhere was it posted? I didn't see it.

Please stay. And by that I mean, please be lucky enough to not be too busy.

[X]

You can miss a week, it's not a cardinal sin.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'm going to try and stay. But the project my team has been assigned to hit a little snafu because ANOTHER team decided to change it's power source input, forcing me to TOTALLY re-design it for a new power input, while still going for the efficiency that it was PREVIOUS to this, despite my several reasons why we shouldn't. Laziness on their part I tell you! x.x

[wiegeabo]

I'm going to try and stay. But the project my team has been assigned to hit a little snafu because ANOTHER team decided to change it's power source input, forcing me to TOTALLY re-design it for a new power input, while still going for the efficiency that it was PREVIOUS to this, despite my several reasons why we shouldn't. Laziness on their part I tell you! x.x

Are...are you Reed Richards? :wow:

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'm no good in biology. Despite the fact what I ACTUALLY want to be is a soil microbiologist. x.x

[wiegeabo]

Matches have been posted.

[X]

Thank ya' kindly.

[Aristotle]

So writeups are to be posted between tomorrow and Friday?

[Nightwing.]

I'm no good in biology. Despite the fact what I ACTUALLY want to be is a soil microbiologist. x.x

cool so you wanting to travel to Chenobyl and study the effects the radiation has had on the soil there and the surrounding soil life?

[Nightwing.]

X just to ask about Josef Huber....what strength levels does he have?

Cos as far as I know there arent many Thor level strength mutants out there unless im mistaken...

[Khellendros]

Okay, kids, change of plans for our team. Turns out Ahura was sick in bed for the past few days, and is still recovering, so I'll be handling this week.

[Khellendros]

Wait... this is actually a bye week for us, isn't it? I mean, unless Leaguer or Corp come back?

[LouFerignoDemon]

cool so you wanting to travel to Chenobyl and study the effects the radiation has had on the soil there and the surrounding soil life?


I actually wanted to specialize in archaebacteria.

[wiegeabo]

Wait... this is actually a bye week for us, isn't it? I mean, unless Leaguer or Corp come back?

If that's who you're facing, then pretty much. Should still at least do something though.

[Nightwing.]

I actually wanted to specialize in archaebacteria.

archaebacteria?whats that?

[X]

X just to ask about Josef Huber....what strength levels does he have?

Cos as far as I know there arent many Thor level strength mutants out there unless im mistaken...

Meh, high end bricks aren't really too common among mutants. They're mostly mid-tiers, physically.

[LouFerignoDemon]

archaebacteria?whats that?


Bacteria that feeds off inorganic material.

[Khellendros]

Bacteria that feeds off inorganic material.Huh. I would've guessed it was prehistoric bacteria.

[Nightwing.]

Meh, high end bricks aren't really too common among mutants. They're mostly mid-tiers, physically.

so are we talking beast/collossus level strength?

[X]

He'd obviously take Colossus over Beast.

He's used Colossus in comics multiple times before.

[Nightwing.]

so hes collossus level strength?

and does you have an actual list of the mutant abilities that he does have?

[Khellendros]

so hes collossus level strength?

and does you have an actual list of the mutant abilities that he does have?Think of every mutant that still has powers. That's what he can access.

[X]

Think of every mutant that still has powers. That's what he can access.

He existed years before M-Day as well, which is the incarnation I had in mind.

Meaning he could cycle through previous mutant powers as well, other obscure ones... Most of the big name mutants still having their powers currently.

[Khellendros]

Ah. Did you ever specify that, before now?

[X]

No one ever asked, honestly. I thought about it before if anyone did ask.

We used to have a character called Cerbero who could do the exact same thing. Hobbit had him. So I figured it was a technicality more than something that'd be a big issue to get argued about.

[Khellendros]

It's not an issue I want to debate, but it does sorta change things in my mind. I was assuming he just had access to those mutants still powered.

[X]

Yeah, that's the current status quo.

Huber's had those powers for years, though. PAD's explicitly shown that. M-Day was a boon for him, anyway.

[Aristotle]

Hey, when do writeups close, guys?

[Nightwing.]

Yeah, that's the current status quo.

Huber's had those powers for years, though. PAD's explicitly shown that. M-Day was a boon for him, anyway.

can he acces them one at a time or more than one at a time....also does this mean he has Magneto's,Jean Grey's and Apocalypse?

[Aristotle]

Whoo...the DTL's kinda dead since yesterday afternoon...

[wiegeabo]

Whoo...the DTL's kinda dead since yesterday afternoon...

Yeah, I should be getting some stuff up today. But not having to keep up with a ton of posts has been nice.