Dream Team League (Discussion)

[Aristotle]

Yeah, I'm sure it's nice for all you grownups with jobs and such, but for bored college students whose buddies are in class all day, it's a drag.

[TheCorpulent1]

Play some video games. That's how I passed a lot of the time in college, including some time I should've been in class. :)

[Aristotle]

I lost interest in video games a couple years ago when they all started being exactly the same. Even as they became more original and innovative...they just lost all the magic of the old days.

Kinda like Magic: The Gathering, as I think about it.

[TheCorpulent1]

I felt the same about squad-based FPSes, but I just played Call of Duty 4's demo last night and was blown away. I'm thinking of buying the full game.

[wiegeabo]

Yeah, I'm sure it's nice for all you grownups with jobs and such, but for bored college students whose buddies are in class all day, it's a drag.

Dude, enjoy just having to do nothing. Because once you're all grownup and get your job and such, those days are long gone. :(

[Aristotle]

I felt the same about squad-based FPSes, but I just played Call of Duty 4's demo last night and was blown away. I'm thinking of buying the full game.Is that the Modern Warfare one, or is that a new Medal of Honor game?

I haven't "bought the full game" in so long...I think the last time was Warcraft III and the expansion for it. Always more for RTS than FPS.

[Aristotle]

Dude, enjoy just having to do nothing. Because once you're all grownup and get your job and such, those days are long gone. :(I know. I'm already getting close to the point of entering the workforce in Social Work. It scares me. I'd rather do standup comedy but there's no good comedy clubs in Kansas.

[Khellendros]

I know. I'm already getting close to the point of entering the workforce in Social Work. It scares me. I'd rather do standup comedy but there's no good comedy clubs in Kansas.
Ohhh ****, fellow Kansan? Now we must fight to the death. THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE.

[Johnny Blaze]

I felt the same about squad-based FPSes, but I just played Call of Duty 4's demo last night and was blown away. I'm thinking of buying the full game.

CoD4 is ****ing awesome. Easily my favorite of the CoD series, and my favorite 360 game. Awesome story, awesome gameplay, awesome graphics, awesome everything.


If you haven't played it yet, you owe it to yourself to check this game out. :up:


Oh, and it's Modern Warefare.

[Aristotle]

Ohhh ****, fellow Kansan? Now we must fight to the death. THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE.Thought I was the only Kansas boy here. There can't be that many Kansan comic book fans. We have like two comic shops in the entire state.

Where are you from?

[Khellendros]

Thought I was the only Kansas boy here. There can't be that many Kansan comic book fans. We have like two comic shops in the entire state.

Where are you from?KCK, you? I'm guessing you're in Lawrence or Manhattan, since you're a college boy.

[Aristotle]

Newton. I attend "The Harvard of the Plains," Bethel College, a small Mennonite liberal-arts school. I may end up going to KU for Law/MSW though, and I spend a lot of time with some old buddies in Lawrence.

How bout Mizzou ripping us to shreds?

[TheCorpulent1]

CoD4 is ****ing awesome. Easily my favorite of the CoD series, and my favorite 360 game. Awesome story, awesome gameplay, awesome graphics, awesome everything.


If you haven't played it yet, you owe it to yourself to check this game out. :up:


Oh, and it's Modern Warefare.
Intentional? If so, lolz. :)

Like I said, I generally hate all of the squad-based FPSes that put you in the boots of a soldier and drop you in some nondescript Middle Eastern country or WWII scenario amidst a gaggle of other soldiers with a guy yelling, "Go go go!" in your ear every five minutes, but CoD4 was surprisingly fun in spite of all that. Tons of fun, in fact. The graphics are awesome, too. :up:

[Aristotle]

Go, go, go.

[Nightwing.]

Intentional? If so, lolz. :)

Like I said, I generally hate all of the squad-based FPSes that put you in the boots of a soldier and drop you in some nondescript Middle Eastern country or WWII scenario amidst a gaggle of other soldiers with a guy yelling, "Go go go!" in your ear every five minutes, but CoD4 was surprisingly fun in spite of all that. Tons of fun, in fact. The graphics are awesome, too. :up:

True the game on single player is amazing both graphically and action wise but you cant beat the multiplayer...It brings a whole new insight to FPS's.Especially after COD3 which was good and I love playing the multiplayer on that but on COD4 to play on the level 'Downpour' sat in a Gillisuit and to see others running round in them....its amazing...a whole other level of amazing with the graphics.You just cant beat that game....

although I am pretty hooked on Assassins Creed right now....COD4 for the big game battles and stuff is brilliant.never need another FPS for a long time now.

[Nightwing.]

double post

[Nightwing.]

triple post

[Nightwing.]

quadruple post....ok so Hype cocked up on me....

[Aristotle]

Assassin's Creed looked pretty cool...but you know, nothing just jumps out at me like the old games used to.

Anyone remember the old Warcraft and C&C games, and the old Duke Nukems and Dooms and whatnot? Those were the days, my friend. Those were the days when not just anybody played video games, you know?

[Khellendros]

Newton. I attend "The Harvard of the Plains," Bethel College, a small Mennonite liberal-arts school. I may end up going to KU for Law/MSW though, and I spend a lot of time with some old buddies in Lawrence.

How bout Mizzou ripping us to shreds?Eh, I didn't get my hopes up, so my reaction was a lot less severe than the rest of my family. But, yes, it was ****ing awful, especially how close they were at the end.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Dude, enjoy just having to do nothing. Because once you're all grownup and get your job and such, those days are long gone. :(


Agreed. You find yourself much in my position, wondering if you have enough time in the week to actually devote to a game in a forum. x.x

Enjoy your youth (though, I get the feeling you're actually older than I am. O.o)

[Aristotle]

Eh, I didn't get my hopes up, so my reaction was a lot less severe than the rest of my family. But, yes, it was ****ing awful, especially how close they were at the end.I didn't expect them to win either, but I didn't expect KU to just lie down like that for three quarters. And then the end, to see a comeback end like that...if they were gonna fail, couldn't they have marched down the field and been stopped at the 1?

[Aristotle]

Enjoy your youth (though, I get the feeling you're actually older than I am. O.o)I'm only 21.

[LouFerignoDemon]

So younger than me by a year.

[Aristotle]

And you're already doing a superjob in the field of...whatever that is that you're doing?

[LouFerignoDemon]

I contract in engineering stuff.

[Aristotle]

Yeah, I guess that would be a field with a lot of positions straight out of school.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Depends on the field.

[Aristotle]

Soooo...not to be pushy, but how close are you on the whole writeup thing?

[LouFerignoDemon]

I haven't even started, I'm just finishing up a few things for work, to tell the truth. YOU can write up, too, ya know. o.o

[Aristotle]

I did.

[Nightwing.]

Assassin's Creed looked pretty cool...but you know, nothing just jumps out at me like the old games used to.

Anyone remember the old Warcraft and C&C games, and the old Duke Nukems and Dooms and whatnot? Those were the days, my friend. Those were the days when not just anybody played video games, you know?

I totally know what you mean...nothing beats the old retro games...

I recently bought aload of old computers just to play those games. I managed to get a NES with the original turtles game(classic),all the Mario's including duck hunt with the gun and a few others.Also got a game gear with original sonic 1&2,alien 3,mickey mouse and some golf game.

You cant beat nostalgia.I have been buying loads of stuff from my childhood just so I can show my boys the cool toys we used to get to play with.Anyone remember some toys called 'Manta Force'?

[Khellendros]

I am being obscenely lazy this week. I plan on having something up tonight, though, in spite of not actually having an opponent.

[wiegeabo]

I thought Ahura already put something up. :confused:

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'll get mine up tonight as well.

[Khellendros]

I thought Ahura already put something up. :confused:Did he? I haven't even checked the thread. THAT'S how ****in' lazy I've been.

[Catman_prb]

Ok I think that I'm going to have to leave the league. I enjoyed the brief, and pointless, time I spent with you, but my workload has literally trippled in the past week, so this was the thing I chose to drop. Apologies to all.

[Aristotle]

Oy vey! What is happening?

[twylight]

The sky is falling!

*pointless post 'cause she's bored and has nothing to tinker with*

[wiegeabo]

Oy vey! What is happening?

Well, now AM and Jinn can have teams.

Glad we didn't go to 16. ;)

[wiegeabo]

The sky is falling!

*pointless post 'cause she's bored and has nothing to tinker with*

Welcome! Welcome!

*straightens up the magazines, fluffs up the pillows on the sofa*

Make yourself at home.

[Nightwing.]

Ok so I plan to get something posted tomorrow morning (afternoon at the latest) I just need a few things clearing up

Can Josef Huber use more than one ability at a time?

And does he have Jean Grey's abilities,Magneto's and Apocalypse's?

[twylight]

Welcome! Welcome!

*straightens up the magazines, fluffs up the pillows on the sofa*

Make yourself at home.

Oh! Don't feel the need to clean up for me...


*squeezes between the long boxes and takes a seat on the sofa*

[Aristotle]

Are you coming to play, Twy?

[X]

I asked her to a while ago, so who knows.

[Nightwing.]

X i asked you a question earlier ^^^^

[twylight]

Nope, sadly I don't have time to play and honestly, no matter how ya'll explain it to me I just don't *get* it. I'm just that dense. I was honored that X asked me though ^_^

I only popped in 'cause I was bored at work, my other frequented website is down and I saw my favorite girl was posting here. :cwink:

Also, PS I was hoping since we approved the 'Role-Playing League' there were no feelings of tread upon toes here.

[LouFerignoDemon]

That's so messed up that you like Lady Vader more than me. :(

[Nightwing.]

Lv?

[Nightwing.]

can i get a quick update/link to what the battleground is like please?

[twylight]

That's so messed up that you like Lady Vader more than me. :(

I'm sorry, you can't just push aside a bond forged through Stargate SG1. :csad:

[twylight]

OH! P.S.

Poor Nightwing...
Here's his question as a refresher:

Ok so I plan to get something posted tomorrow morning (afternoon at the latest) I just need a few things clearing up

Can Josef Huber use more than one ability at a time?

And does he have Jean Grey's abilities,Magneto's and Apocalypse's?

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm sorry, you can't just push aside a bond forged through Stargate SG1. :csad:
What, you and LV in Stargate bondage? :confused:

[X]

X i asked you a question earlier ^^^^

He can use multiple powers at once, yes.

[twylight]

What, you and LV in Stargate bondage? :confused:

:heart:

[Aristotle]

Also, PS I was hoping since we approved the 'Role-Playing League' there were no feelings of tread upon toes here.Whassa?

[Aristotle]

can i get a quick update/link to what the battleground is like please?Riker's Island real-world prison, but probably half the cells have power-dampening tech.

[X]

Anyone give any more thought to the award aspect of next season, if we had one?

[Aristotle]

I wouldn't participate in it.

[twylight]

Ah!

I know I'm not involved, but I'd love to hear what ya'll normally do for Awards, since there is some talk of setting up an all-encompassing RPG awards ceremony, and it would be neat to get some ideas.

[Khellendros]

I'm sorry, you can't just push aside a bond forged through Stargate SG1. :csad:Oh MY GOD she's an SG-1 fan? Holy ****!

[Khellendros]

Anyone give any more thought to the award aspect of next season, if we had one?

I'm with Ari, sorry. And, obviously, I would be exempt for receiving a present if I won.

[wiegeabo]

Sg-1 Ftw!!!

[wiegeabo]

Ah!

I know I'm not involved, but I'd love to hear what ya'll normally do for Awards, since there is some talk of setting up an all-encompassing RPG awards ceremony, and it would be neat to get some ideas.

Well, there's two ideas.

One, everyone who wants to puts some comics in a pot. The season's champion get comics. (Not putting any in just means you can't win any.)

The other idea, which we did back in season 2, was giving everyone special avatars. I think Jewish Hobbit made them. There was one for DTL champ, MVP, and a couple of others. I think the only problem was they were too small, but now that we can have large avatars, that may not be such an issue.

[wiegeabo]

Sg-1 Ftw!!!

Weird. I capitalized all the letters, and the Hype keeps making them lower case. :confused:

[twylight]

Weird. I capitalized all the letters, and the Hype keeps making them lower case. :confused:

Are you *sure*? o.O

'CAUSE I CAN TALK ALL IN CAPS! ;)


....

*brain flash* For the awards you just gave me a *fantastic* idea..seriously...
*hordes it*

[wiegeabo]

Are you *sure*? o.O

'CAUSE I CAN TALK ALL IN CAPS! ;)




YOU DON"T HAVE TO RUB IT IN!!! :cmad:

[wiegeabo]

Oh, now all caps works. :whatever:

[Khellendros]

I think it's that you can't have a post with NOTHING but caps.

[Khellendros]

Testing That Theory Out Now.
EDIT: Yep, it capitalized the first letter of each word...

[Nightwing.]

so this depowering tech....how does it work?what form does it come in and who would it affect?

[Aristotle]

Power-dampening cells, but obviously you have to get the guy there, so I'm assuming they have a stock of power-dampening collars, such as what we saw in the Iron Heights fiasco with the Outsiders. Probably some sort of cuffs as well.

Basically, it appears to affect anyone, once it's turned on.

[XFanTim]

Wait, do they have cells that completely neutralize people's powers? Like, would they have a cell where you stick any superhuman in there and it turns off all his powers?

Or do they have cells that neutralize specific powers, like "telepathy can't work in this room", that sort of thing?

Or is it just that you have to get a guy to wear power-dampening handcuffs? And again, would specific cuffs only work on specific powers?

And how would this stuff work on weapons and tech? I mean, can you dampen a GL ring?

[XFanTim]

If i can just have Hadrian port the opposing ubers into a room where they have no powers, this suddenly became the easiest fight ever . . . except maybe people wouldn't vote for me because it's too cheap. But come on, why wouldn't he do that if it's actually an option?

[XFanTim]

I sent this PM to Wieg and he hasn't answered, so I'm throwing it to the DTL Collective:

Just so I know, do any of your characters this week have any special senses that would let them detect invisible people? Several people on my team can become invisible, and if you have a way to see them I'd want to portray that in my writeup.

Exodus could find them with telepathy I suppose, but I wasn't sure about the others. I don't know Proctor or Deadline all that well.
His team is:
Green Lantern (Kyle) (DU)
Exodus (MU)
Scarlet Witch (MM)
Proctor (MR)
Deadline (DR)

[wiegeabo]

Well, there is specific tech for taking care of specific powers. I've seen (not in the prison) handbands which dampen Doctor Psycho's (was it him) power. It didn't neutralize it, but he could barely use his telepathy.

I don't know if there are rooms that can dampen/neutralize powers, but I think there are rooms designed to 'contain' powers. Like, lot's of lead to contain radioactives. Super strong construction for bricks. Probably even high powered water sprinklers for fire starters. Things along those lines.

[wiegeabo]

I sent this PM to Wieg and he hasn't answered, so I'm throwing it to the DTL Collective:


His team is:
Green Lantern (Kyle) (DU)
Exodus (MU)
Scarlet Witch (MM)
Proctor (MR)
Deadline (DR)


Kyle's ring might.
Exodus could probably sense them.
Scarlet, I don't think so.
Proctor, probably not. I don't know if his telepathy can work that way.
DL's helmet/visor boosts his hearing/vision.

[XFanTim]

OK, so nothing as extreme as a room where someone like Exodus is totally powerless. That's probably for the best -- if they did have that sort of thing, I'd either have to make my team too stupid to take advantage of it, or have them use it and get accused of a really cheap take down.

[XFanTim]

Kyle's ring might.
Exodus could probably sense them.
Scarlet, I don't think so.
Proctor, probably not. I don't know if his telepathy can work that way.
DL's helmet/visor boosts his hearing/vision.
Thanks for the info.

How strong is Proctor's telepathy, and how does he normally use it? (I'm assuming it's fairly minor since it's omitted from your summary of his powers.)

[Harlekin]

Ok I think that I'm going to have to leave the league. I enjoyed the brief, and pointless, time I spent with you, but my workload has literally trippled in the past week, so this was the thing I chose to drop. Apologies to all.
Dammit!

[Aristotle]

I don't know if there are rooms that can dampen/neutralize powers, but I think there are rooms designed to 'contain' powers. Like, lot's of lead to contain radioactives. Super strong construction for bricks. Probably even high powered water sprinklers for fire starters. Things along those lines.Actually, I believe there is complete power-dampening tech now. Look to Iron Heights in the Outsiders debacle.

[Aristotle]

If i can just have Hadrian port the opposing ubers into a room where they have no powers, this suddenly became the easiest fight ever . . . except maybe people wouldn't vote for me because it's too cheap. But come on, why wouldn't he do that if it's actually an option?He would. You wouldn't. Because you want votes. Trick a guy into the cell, or beat him into the cell, but don't port him.

Wait, do they have cells that completely neutralize people's powers? Like, would they have a cell where you stick any superhuman in there and it turns off all his powers?

Or do they have cells that neutralize specific powers, like "telepathy can't work in this room", that sort of thing?

Or is it just that you have to get a guy to wear power-dampening handcuffs? And again, would specific cuffs only work on specific powers?As I understand it, Iron Heights had complete, across-the-board power-dampening technology. I can only assume that any prison dealing in supervillain containment would have the same.

And how would this stuff work on weapons and tech? I mean, can you dampen a GL ring?Yeah, but that's a bit beyond Earth tech.

[Aristotle]

Dammit!

OK, is anyone else thinking of ditching?

Just so everything's all out in the open and we know what to maybe expect? These losses are coming as painful shocks.

Someone should PM those two dudes and tell them they have teams now.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Bleh, I forgot how the rules really worked, so I posted my fight up, if it doens't work, it doesn't work, I probably won't have time to fix it, as I'm actually between breaks right now. x.x

[Harlekin]

I always think of leaving. I never do.

You don't have to worry about my participation.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Unfortunately, if they activate my contract for the Z-machine ahead of time like the rumor mill is saying, I might have to discontinue as well. :(

[XFanTim]

I always think of leaving. I never do.

You don't have to worry about my participation.That sounds like where I stand as well.

Honestly, I'm not so worried about people leaving. As long as we have a dedicated core of people who participate each week, the league is fine. Frankly, I'd be fine if we went even smaller, so long as the people we do have are committed to it.

[Aristotle]

I'm committed. I got the time, and this **** is fun.

[Aristotle]

Bleh, I forgot how the rules really worked, so I posted my fight up, if it doens't work, it doesn't work, I probably won't have time to fix it, as I'm actually between breaks right now. x.xIf you want, we could just debate the matchups in my writeup. I think they're pretty logical matchups--in fact, three of them were the same as you chose.

Infinity-Man vs. Silver Surfer
Green Anarky vs. Hyperion
Aztek vs. Warbird
Midnighter vs. Deathstroke
Anarky vs. Bullseye

[Aristotle]

Unfortunately, if they activate my contract for the Z-machine ahead of time like the rumor mill is saying, I might have to discontinue as well. :(Are you inventing time travel?

[XFanTim]

Are you inventing time travel?
No wonder she's not impressed with Einstein! :)

[TheCorpulent1]

Regarding psi-shields: X-Men #205 just featured Emma Frost psi-shielding a group of 5 X-Men from telepathic assault while simultaneously throwing offensive telepathy and telekinesis around in her astral form (she was in the mansion while the team was in the Antarctic). She also reveals that Sinister has apparently psi-shielded the Marauders throughout their history.

Just thought everyone might want to know in light of some of the discussions we've had about psi-shields before.

[wiegeabo]

Regarding psi-shields: X-Men #205 just featured Emma Frost psi-shielding a group of 5 X-Men from telepathic assault while simultaneously throwing offensive telepathy and telekinesis around in her astral form (she was in the mansion while the team was in the Antarctic). She also reveals that Sinister has apparently psi-shielded the Marauders throughout their history.

Just thought everyone might want to know in light of some of the discussions we've had about psi-shields before.

Damn you. :cmad:

[TheCorpulent1]

Now that I've quit, I'm determined to torment you more than ever. :)

[Aristotle]

When's voting open? Tonight?

[XFanTim]

Regarding psi-shields: X-Men #205 just featured Emma Frost psi-shielding a group of 5 X-Men from telepathic assault while simultaneously throwing offensive telepathy and telekinesis around in her astral form (she was in the mansion while the team was in the Antarctic). She also reveals that Sinister has apparently psi-shielded the Marauders throughout their history.

Just thought everyone might want to know in light of some of the discussions we've had about psi-shields before.
I don't think that trumps the several decades of Xavier never making the team immune to telepathy despite the fact that they've repeatedly fought telepathic foes, including Emma Frost, the Shadow King, etc. If someone wants to have Emma Frost give people psi-shields based on that issue, I guess that's fine, but there's no way it's a standard telepathic power. Oh, and it'd have to start next season, since we no longer let people use comics that came out after the season started.

By the way, since when is Emma Frost a telekinetic? I haven't read any recent comics, so I must have missed that.

[DTL Commish]

Voting may now begin.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think that trumps the several decades of Xavier never making the team immune to telepathy despite the fact that they've repeatedly fought telepathic foes, including Emma Frost, the Shadow King, etc. If someone wants to have Emma Frost give people psi-shields based on that issue, I guess that's fine, but there's no way it's a standard telepathic power. Oh, and it'd have to start next season, since we no longer let people use comics that came out after the season started.

By the way, since when is Emma Frost a telekinetic? I haven't read any recent comics, so I must have missed that.
Oh, maybe it was just telepathy. She knocked a dude over, but I guess he could've been staggering back because of a mental attack. I always tend to think of telepaths as telekinetics as well; they complement each other so well that it always seems dumb to me for someone to have one power but not the other.

The weight of tradition does still seem to be on the side of not having psi-shields, although the retcon there effectively makes pretty much every Sinister/Marauder appearance in existing continuity an example of psi-shielding. I don't care either way, I just figured I ought to let it be known since I'm sure there are psi-shield proponents still left in the DTL.

[X]

A lot of telepaths aren't telekinetics...

[TheCorpulent1]

I know, and a lot of telekinetics aren't telepaths. I just find it stupid that they're not.

[wiegeabo]

Now that I've quit, I'm determined to torment you more than ever. :)

I hate you. :cmad: :oldrazz:

[TheCorpulent1]

I hate you. :cmad: :oldrazz:
:heart:

[Aristotle]

Is it just me or has half the DTL still not posted writeups?

[twylight]

Just so you know, I'm totally interested in playing next Season, if Corpy is playing. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Alas, I just quit this season. I don't know if I'll be back next season. Depends on what's going on in the real world.

[Aristotle]

Just so you know, I'm totally interested in playing next Season, if Corpy is playing. :up:You don't need him, Twy. You only gotta rely on yourself. You don't need him.


...but I do...:csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

This thread has basically turned into an effusion of love, both masked and open, for me.

I'd say I'm flattered, but really you guys are just creepy. :dry:

[Aristotle]

I only love you when I'm drunk.

[wiegeabo]

This thread has basically turned into an effusion of love, both masked and open, for me.

I'd say I'm flattered, but really you guys are just creepy. :dry:

That's why you belong with us.


Resistance is Futile

[TheCorpulent1]

I will never be your Locutus. :cmad:

[wiegeabo]

I will never be your Locutus. :cmad:

http://web.mac.com/wlschofield/iWeb/Watching%20Healthcare%20IT/HIT%20Journal/2AE00D03-3785-423A-8A0E-2AC00EEE24C8_files/locutus.png

"You will join us."

[Khellendros]

Just posted my writeup.

[Nightwing.]

Is it just me or has half the DTL still not posted writeups?

My write up is now up.Its a little rushed as ive jsut done it in the last half hour....but its a contribution. Also sorry its late...was working til midnight last night and didnt have the energy to do one then...

[XFanTim]

Still working on mine, but it'll definitely be up by the end of the day. I just like to let the anticipation build a little bit. ;)

[Aristotle]

I don't mean to rush anybody, even though that's exactly what I'm doing basically, it's just that with all the leavings and near-leavings and whatnot, I get worried. I mean, I think AS still has a team and hasn't even posted on this forum in two weeks or so.

[X]

Yeah, and Leaguer/Corp did the exact same thing.

Eh. I don't know. I'd post some idea to remedy it but I honestly don't know what would even work.

[Aristotle]

Heyoze, are we supposed to do feedback with votes, or no feedback? I've heard conflicting opinions.

[Nightwing.]

you can give feedback with the votes you CANT write how you think a certain team would win or lose.you cant in anyway sway other voters opinions with your debating...its up to the two battling to do that.

[Aristotle]

So what's acceptable feedback?

[Nightwing.]

just like saying 'i believe your strategies were more believable' or 'i think your team wouldve worked better in this situation' or if its for the losing team 'maybe you couldve tried a different strategy for this battle' or 'that villain would never work in sync with that hero' or something like that.

[Aristotle]

Anyone hear anything from AnnoyingSilence, Who?, and Dark Gog?

[wiegeabo]

Just a reminder, voting is supposed to end tonight.

[Nightwing.]

ok ive voted now cos i wont get the chance tomorrow...or atleast i will but voting will be closed.

[wiegeabo]

That reminds me, I want to put up a schedule since I want to try out the new week-and-a-half schedule.

Basically, each match will take 10 days. 4 days for writeups/debates, 3 days for voting, 2 days for lineups, and a day off before the next match (or in case we need to stick an extra day somewhere). This gives us an extra day to write, and eliminates the overlap we used to have.


So here's how I see the rest of the season going:
Week 5: Nov. 26 - Dec. 5
Week 6: Dec. 6 - Dec. 15
Holiday break
Week 7: Jan. 3 - Jan. 12
Week 8: Jan. 13 - Jan. 23
Week 9: Jan. 24 - Feb. 3
Week 10: Feb. 4 - Feb. 14
Week 11: Feb. 15 - Feb. 25
Week 12: Feb. 26 - Mar. 7
Week 13: Mar. 8 - Mar. 18


Now that I've seen how long this would make the season run, there are a couple of things we could do to shorten it.

We could have a third match in December.
We could eliminate the extra (10th) day. (That would save a week and make an extra match in December easier.)
We could eliminate the third voting day. (That would save us another week).

And we could go back down to a normal week schedule for playoffs since they'll be fewer matches to read.


Ok, I wanted to bring this up again because Aris was the only one to comment on it.

I think we should get rid of the extra (10th) day. This would end the season a week earlier. Or we could make voting last four days instead of three.

And I like Aristotle's idea of having an extra long match during the holidays. The 3rd match in December could last two weeks, which should give everyone enough time to get in a writeup/vote before and after Christmas/New Years days. And it would end the season another week earlier.

[Aristotle]

"The case for my regs"? You know Zoom's an uber, right?Oh please don't be the guy who latches on to the tiny error in a post. You know I meant ubers.

Personally, I think you just really underestimate Zoom, just as you did last week. With his altered timeline, his thinking is accelerated as much as anything else about him.What I do is I remember the comics that have actually had him in them--even Blitz. And he just isn't as proficient, ever, in any story, as you write him out to be.

Anyway, how much strategy did I have him use? I just had him run as fast as he could and pound on Green Lantern as fast as he could.Still takes more actual paying attention to what one is doing than just running around the world.

I still don't get why you think he's an idiot just because his power is to run -- personally I thought maybe I wrote him as too stupid.I don't think he's an idiot. I just don't believe that he is as proficient with his speed powers as the Flashes are, especially given that this is the reason he always loses to them.

And he doesn't annihilate the Earth's population because that's not his goal. He's motivated more by a personal vendetta against Flash (although in a twisted way he claims he's helping Flash).Zoom has gotten SO far away from that "mission" of his, to make Flash a better hero or whatever. It's gotten to the point where it's just an obligatory line for writers to throw into a story so they have an excuse for him to be there, and the theme is never really developed anymore. He's just another dick villain.

[XFanTim]

I'm all for the long match in the holidays. As far as an extra day of voting, I think the more time to vote the better, but I'd also be fine with eliminating the tenth day.

I also think maybe we should consider instituting a minimum number of votes needed to conclude a match. Like saying voting can't end until there are at least seven votes in each match (so the winner has to get at least four). But I'm not sure what we'd do on the weeks there weren't enough votes -- either automatically delay the next week, or just let people keep voting as the next week starts until the minimum vote quota is reached. I'd probably lean towards the latter.

[XFanTim]

Oh please don't be the guy who latches on to the tiny error in a post. You know I meant ubers.Well for a second I thought maybe you were actually complaining about the use of my regs too. Sorry if it came across as obnoxious.

What I do is I remember the comics that have actually had him in them--even Blitz. And he just isn't as proficient, ever, in any story, as you write him out to be.What did I have him do that's so "proficient"? He ran as fast as he could. He pounded Green Lantern's shield as fast as he could. You don't think Zoom could do that?

I just don't believe that he is as proficient with his speed powers as the Flashes areDid I have him doing anything remotely like Wally's complicated speed force tricks?

[Aristotle]

What did I have him do that's so "proficient"? He ran as fast as he could. He pounded Green Lantern's shield as fast as he could. You don't think Zoom could do that?Frankly, the "frozen Superman" you always reference strikes me as one of those ridiculous high-end feats that we both keep arguing for exclusion. Zoom was shown that way once, vs. all the other times when Wonder Woman can give him a fight. And I know those other times were post-Blitz, but he was never depowered. He never slowed down.

Did I have him doing anything remotely like Wally's complicated speed force tricks?You brought up our match last week, and so I reiterated my belief that Bart would have taken him down with the flash-bang. But let's not rehash that argument.

[Ahura Mazda]

Why are you guys discussing the speed force. I thought Zoom does not belong to the speed force but instead manipulates time for himself.

[Aristotle]

Are we discussing the Speed Force?

[Ahura Mazda]

Did I have him doing anything remotely like Wally's complicated speed force tricks?

Referring to this

[XFanTim]

Right, I know he can't use the speed force. But when Ari said Zoom's "not as proficient with his powers" as Flash, I figured he must be talking about Flash's tricks, e.g. stealing speed, etc. Of course the reason Zoom can't do these things is because his powers don't work that way, not a lack of experience.

If he's not talking about speed force stuff I'm not really sure in what way Flash would be "more proficient."

Frankly, the "frozen Superman" you always reference strikes me as one of those ridiculous high-end feats that we both keep arguing for exclusion. Zoom was shown that way once, vs. all the other times when Wonder Woman can give him a fight. And I know those other times were post-Blitz, but he was never depowered. He never slowed down.Look, if Zoom is slow enough that a blind Wonder Woman can nail him, then he's a worthless uber. That's why I specified the Blitz arc. It certainly seemed in the Wonder Woman fight that Zoom wasn't using the full speed he showed previously. We could speculate about the reasons for this: Maybe he was stupidly slowing down to give himself the chance to taunt her, maybe he's become more hesitant to use his full speed after he got screwed up by his own time rip during Blitz, who knows. His loss at the end of Blitz (slamming into his own time rip and getting frozen in some kind of temporal stasis) may have screwed up his mental state in all kinds of ways, if not affecting his power itself. (And it was only after this that he developed the whole "ttallkking llikke thiissss" thing -- more evidence that he's not the same, at least mentally.)

Anyway, I don't see why I can't specify Zoom from a certain arc and adhere to the powerlevel portrayed therein -- especially when there's such a significant difference in his powerlevel from that appearance to some of his later ones (official power-down or no). I'm not saying Zoom post-blitz is different enough to constitute a second character in the sense that someone else could grab him, but as the only one with Zoom I should be able to get the version I want. For comparison: We distinguish the weaker Darkseid from the stronger classic Darkseid, even though there was no official power down that I know of -- just different writers having a different take on him. We also let Iron Man's owner specify that he wants "Iron Man w/ Thor-buster armor", even though all the uber versions of Iron Man count as one character for DTL purposes. Similarly, I want Zoom in the mental and physical state he was at in Blitz. (Incidentally, this means I have to accept trade offs like not letting him phase through things if he didn't display that power until later appearances.)

As for whether it's a "ridiculous high-end feat", I think that when a character is consistently portrayed at as certain power level for the course of a whole story arc, and why he's that powerful is discussed and explained within the story, then it should be allowed. Zoom was created as a character who was significantly faster than Flash (and thus far faster than Superman) due to time manipulation, and all of this was spelled out and portrayed consistently for the whole story. If later authors have deviated from this without explanation, I'd say it's them who are misrepresenting him (or else he had an unofficial power down much like Darkseid and others.) That's a far cry from crazy stuff like Drax the Destroyer tearing a star apart with his bare hands, despite never looking anywhere near that strong in all his appearances before and since. One's an out of scale isolated feat, the other is an explained, self-consistent multi-issue story arc.

Anyway, if Wieg says I have to drop "Zoom (Blitz)" for "Zoom" and take a more averaged take on the character, I will -- but I don't see why I should have to, and until such a ruling is made I'm going to portray "Zoom (Blitz)" like he's Zoom at the powerlevel he displayed throughout the Blitz arc. If you want to argue he's too uber, you're welcome to, but I personally don't think he's anywhere close. He has one power at an extremely high level, but very little versatility compared to other high-end ubers like Silver Surfer or Dr. Strange.

[Khellendros]

I like how Ari complains about Tim wanting to only use "Blitz" Zoom, when earlier he was pushing HARD for a fully customized AMAZO. And damn near got him.

[XFanTim]

While we're discussing my characters, I want to bring up the Magus again. The version of the Magus I have is the evil future version of Adam Warlock (not to be confused with the later version of the Magus, who was Warlock's evil-half in the present once it split off and became its own being.)

The future-Magus was really only around for one story arc, where he fought Adam Warlock and Thanos. He had the Soul Gem, just as the present day Adam does, but he mostly relied on his own personal powers (energy blasts, super strength, teleportation, intangibility, etc.) For those who don't know: The Soul Gem is an artifact possessed by Adam Warlock which is capable of various feats like stealing people's souls, knocking people out with soul-disrupting blasts, etc.

My question is: Is it fine to assume that the Magus can use the Soul Gem in the same ways that Warlock does, even though he didn't use it much in the few issues he was in? To me, this would make sense. He's Adam from the future, so he should know how to do everything present-day Adam can do. It's not like Adam would forget how to use the gem. The fact that Magus didn't use it much could be because he just wasn't around for that many issues, or because he was fighting Adam (who has a Soul Gem of his own) and Thanos (who Adam has always been hesitant to use the gem against -- he explicitly stated at some point that he worried that if he stole Thanos's soul then Thanos's own evil mind would overwhelm him.) Or it could be because he just felt his powerful physical attacks would be sufficient to win those fights -- but in the DTL there are some people who are immune to physical attacks (intangible characters, etc.) so it would make sense for me to have the Magus use soul-based attacks against them.

Short version: If a future version of Warlock has the same weapon as present-day Warlock, he should be able to use it the same ways unless otherwise specified, right? For comparison, if there was a story with a future Kyle Rayner, and in the story he used his power ring to make constructs but not to phase through things, we'd all still believe future-Kyle could phase through things unless otherwise specified, right? I mean, he can do this in the present, and he wouldn't simply forget how.

[Aristotle]

I like how Ari complains about Tim wanting to only use "Blitz" Zoom, when earlier he was pushing HARD for a fully customized AMAZO. And damn near got him.If I was complaining about Tim wanting to only use "Blitz" Zoom, you'd have a point there, but since I'm not complaining about that, it sort of undercuts your point that I am, doesn't it? What I'm saying is that Zoom was never depowered after Blitz, so for purposes of power-levels and combat strategy, post-Blitz appearances are fair game.

Besides, in a League with a guy who has ALL the powers of EVERY mutant who EVER existed, AS WELL AS THE EXPERTISE TO GO WITH THEM, I'm still hard-pressed to comprehend why having a fully customized Amazo with the powers of four ubers, two meds, and a reg, with no expertise, was that ridiculous.

[Aristotle]

Right, I know he can't use the speed force. But when Ari said Zoom's "not as proficient with his powers" as Flash, I figured he must be talking about Flash's tricks, e.g. stealing speed, etc. Of course the reason Zoom can't do these things is because his powers don't work that way, not a lack of experience.No, the Speed Force tricks aren't what I mean. What I mean is that Zoom just doesn't know how to fight in the speedster arena as well as the Flashes. He is always susceptible to any number of tricks that no Flash would ever fall for, because they're trained to know those things and avoid them, and to then use them on foes. Not Speed Force tricks, just tricks. The way he lost in Blitz is a perfect example of that.

Look, if Zoom is slow enough that a blind Wonder Woman can nail him, then he's a worthless uber.That's a bit pejorative to one of the most powerful characters in comics.

That's why I specified the Blitz arc. It certainly seemed in the Wonder Woman fight that Zoom wasn't using the full speed he showed previously. We could speculate about the reasons for this: Maybe he was stupidly slowing down to give himself the chance to taunt her, maybe he's become more hesitant to use his full speed after he got screwed up by his own time rip during Blitz, who knows.More likely, it was because he had to actually move around and be in a fight. He wasn't just running around the globe. He had to dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge. That REQUIRES him to slow down so he can be accurate.

His loss at the end of Blitz (slamming into his own time rip and getting frozen in some kind of temporal stasis) may have screwed up his mental state in all kinds of ways, if not affecting his power itself. (And it was only after this that he developed the whole "ttallkking llikke thiissss" thing -- more evidence that he's not the same, at least mentally.)However, my argument doesn't hinge upon his mental state (which, it should be said, was not good to begin with, once he was Zoom). It was never stated that he was depowered in any way, shape, or form, nor that he was holding back in any way, shape, or form.

Anyway, I don't see why I can't specify Zoom from a certain arc and adhere to the powerlevel portrayed therein -- especially when there's such a significant difference in his powerlevel from that appearance to some of his later ones (official power-down or no).It wasn't an official power-down or power-up, so neither a power-down nor a power-up happened.

I'm not saying Zoom post-blitz is different enough to constitute a second character in the sense that someone else could grab him, but as the only one with Zoom I should be able to get the version I want.That's having your cake, eating it, and then taking everyone else's cake and throwing it in the trash. If Zoom post-Blitz is not different enough for others to get a later version of the character, then his powerlevel is clearly not different. The needs of the fight were different. He had a partner. He had two superspeed opponents. He was fighting in close quarters. Etc., etc.

For comparison: We distinguish the weaker Darkseid from the stronger classic Darkseid, even though there was no official power down that I know of -- just different writers having a different take on him.Post-COIE, he was powered down the same way Superman was.

We also let Iron Man's owner specify that he wants "Iron Man w/ Thor-buster armor", even though all the uber versions of Iron Man count as one character for DTL purposes.Actually, I thought it had been made fairly clear that whoever got Iron Man could pick and choose armors to suit each match.

Similarly, I want Zoom in the mental and physical state he was at in Blitz. (Incidentally, this means I have to accept trade offs like not letting him phase through things if he didn't display that power until later appearances.)I don't think anything I've ever said about him takes that away from you, either. And by the way, Flash The Fastest Man Alive #10 seems to have been a RETCON, rather than a power-up, as there was no official reason given for why Zoom could phase now, so I think you can have Zoom phase. That's why I thought I could have him phase through the vibra-bullet.

As for whether it's a "ridiculous high-end feat", I think that when a character is consistently portrayed at as certain power level for the course of a whole story arc, and why he's that powerful is discussed and explained within the story, then it should be allowed.Let's say a car can go 250 miles per hour down a straightaway. Even if it CAN go that fast, it's not going to do that on a turny, twisty road with sharp curves every 20 feet. Likewise, when Zoom has to do something other than run in a straight line around the world, he's going to slow down.

Anyway, if Wieg says I have to drop "Zoom (Blitz)" for "Zoom" and take a more averaged take on the character, I will -- but I don't see why I should have to, and until such a ruling is made I'm going to portray "Zoom (Blitz)" like he's Zoom at the powerlevel he displayed throughout the Blitz arc. If you want to argue he's too uber, you're welcome to, but I personally don't think he's anywhere close. He has one power at an extremely high level, but very little versatility compared to other high-end ubers like Silver Surfer or Dr. Strange.That's never been what I'm arguing. My point is that you use one instance of his powers, when they were being used in a straightaway run, instead of using more reliable and useful sources--sources that show what he's like when he has to actually move around a bit and fight.

As for versatility: how much does versatility matter when he can apparently wipe out the most powerful weapon in the universe as if it were a reg?

[XFanTim]

No, the Speed Force tricks aren't what I mean. What I mean is that Zoom just doesn't know how to fight in the speedster arena as well as the Flashes. He is always susceptible to any number of tricks that no Flash would ever fall for, because they're trained to know those things and avoid them, and to then use them on foes. Not Speed Force tricks, just tricks. The way he lost in Blitz is a perfect example of that.You're ignoring the fact that Flash was only able to beat him after getting a significant speed-boost from other speedsters -- and even then only after a protracted and evenly matched fight. Before that, Zoom was pretty much kicking his ass. There wasn't any trick Flash used that trumped Zoom's advantage in raw speed.

That's a bit pejorative to one of the most powerful characters in comics.I'm sorry, are you saying a blind Wonder Woman is one of the most powerful characters in comics? Not by DTL standards. She's not remotely on the level of people like Doomsday.

And if Zoom, whose only power is speed, isn't fast enough to dodge people with sub-Flash level speed like Wonder Woman all day long, then he's a useless character. Hence, my not drafting "Zoom (wimpy version that lost to blind Wonder Woman)."

More likely, it was because he had to actually move around and be in a fight. He wasn't just running around the globe. He had to dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge. That REQUIRES him to slow down so he can be accurate.His reflexes are as accelerated as his movements, because his whole timeline is accelerated. There's no logical reason he'd have to slow down to dodge an attack.

However, my argument doesn't hinge upon his mental state (which, it should be said, was not good to begin with, once he was Zoom). It was never stated that he was depowered in any way, shape, or form, nor that he was holding back in any way, shape, or form.

It wasn't an official power-down or power-up, so neither a power-down nor a power-up happened.And yet he looks many orders of magnitude slower than he did in Blitz. We acknowledge the unofficial powerups and powerdowns of people like Superman and Darkseid (and they've had more power shifts over the years than just the crises -- compare Silver Age Superman to Bronze Age, for instance) -- why wouldn't we with Zoom?

That's having your cake, eating it, and then taking everyone else's cake and throwing it in the trash. If Zoom post-Blitz is not different enough for others to get a later version of the character, then his powerlevel is clearly not different.Look, if someone wants to pick up Zoom post-Blitz, I don't care. You could make a case that they're different. I'm just saying historically we've often let someone pick which appearance they're taking a character from -- e.g., even though there's only one uber Iron Man in the DTL, we let him be Thorbuster, Hulkbuster, etc. depending on what the owner chooses. We've done the same with Hank Pym and others.

The needs of the fight were different. He had a partner. He had two superspeed opponents. He was fighting in close quarters. Etc., etc.I'm sorry, but there's no reason fight-circumstances would cause someone with the speed Zoom displayed in Blitz to lose in that manner to Wonder Woman. That'd be like me getting punched out by a tortoise. He simply didn't use that speed, either because he wasn't willing to (for psychological reasons or whatever), or because he didn't have it, or because the writer just underwrote him. You don't think Zoom's creator writing a whole arc featuring him is the more definitive portrayal?

Actually, I thought it had been made fairly clear that whoever got Iron Man could pick and choose armors to suit each match.Right, even though he didn't use them in the same story arc. Likewise, I suppose in principle I could choose to use Zoom (Blitz) in one match and Zoom (wussy version) in another -- but what would be the point?

Flash The Fastest Man Alive #10 seems to have been a RETCON, rather than a power-up, as there was no official reason given for why Zoom could phase now, so I think you can have Zoom phase. That's why I thought I could have him phase through the vibra-bullet.Hey, if people are cool with me having Zoom phase, I sure wouldn't mind. But I thought someone might object that that was "having my cake and eating it too".

Let's say a car can go 250 miles per hour down a straightaway. Even if it CAN go that fast, it's not going to do that on a turny, twisty road with sharp curves every 20 feet. Likewise, when Zoom has to do something other than run in a straight line around the world, he's going to slow down.If we were talking about a different character that would be a good point. In fact, when I was protesting that Silver Surfer is ridiculously powerful for someone with faster-than-light speed, X pointed out that Surfer's speed can't be equated to Flash's speed, because Surfer's speed feats are mostly straight-line flying, whereas Flash can perform complex tasks, dodge punches, etc. at those speed. In other words, he has speed with reflexes to match.

The thing is, Zoom is definitely in the Flash category, not the Silver Surfer category. Because his whole timeline is sped up, he does everything that fast -- dodging, running, changing direction, etc.

To use your specific example: You slow down when you're turning your car because otherwise you don't have enough friction to prevent a skid. If Zoom had this problem, Flash could have just made a sharp turn while they were running around the Earth and sent Zoom skidding into a wall. The fact that this didn't happen, in fact, the fact that Zoom was able to stay right-next-to-Flash even when Flash was amped up to Zoom-level speed shows that skidding is no more an issue for Zoom then for Flash.

If you acknowledge that Zoom has reflexes to match his speed, then there's no way Wonder Woman could have hit him with a bunch of rocks. He'd have seen the rocks floating towards him in extreme slow motion (from his perspective), and had as much time as he needed to get out of the way. And it wasn't like they were fighting in an elevator or something -- they were outdoors. He had plenty of space to dodge the boulders she hit him with.

That's never been what I'm arguing. My point is that you use one instance of his powers, when they were being used in a straightaway run, instead of using more reliable and useful sources--sources that show what he's like when he has to actually move around a bit and fight.There were plenty of points in Blitz were Zoom and Flash weren't just running in straight lines, and Flash still needed a speed boost to keep pace. Look at these pics:
Zoom turning at better than Flash-level speed (http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3eb1.jpg)
Zoom making sharp turns (http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1sd1.jpg)
Zoom zipping back and forth to keep hitting Flash faster than he can defend (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=z10ep9.jpg)
Zoom moving around Flash to hit him from multiple directions faster than he can defend (http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2tk7.jpg)

I can't understand why you consider a full story-arc featuring Zoom, and written by his creator, as less definitive than a single issue fight written by someone else. Especially since in that single issue fight he doesn't display the better-than-Flash level reflexes we know he should have from the previous arc and from the explanation of exactly how his power works.

As for versatility: how much does versatility matter when he can apparently wipe out the most powerful weapon in the universe as if it were a reg?Um, to what are you referring? If you reread my writeup, I actually had him lose to Green Lantern. I just had him take enough out of Kyle that he wasn't quick enough to find and stop Invisible Woman (Malice) before she finished him off. And Green Lantern doesn't have even Wonder Woman level speed, so I can't see why it's implausible for him to have a hard time with Zoom. Even if I averaged his speed in Blitz with his speed against Wonder Woman, he'd still be roughly a billion times faster than GL. But I shouldnt' have to average them, since I've got Zoom (Blitz).

I'd also like to note that in my last two writeups I've had Zoom get taken out both times, but only after making a significant difference in the fight. You seem to want him to not even be consequential.

[Khellendros]

If I was complaining about Tim wanting to only use "Blitz" Zoom, you'd have a point there, but since I'm not complaining about that, it sort of undercuts your point that I am, doesn't it? What I'm saying is that Zoom was never depowered after Blitz, so for purposes of power-levels and combat strategy, post-Blitz appearances are fair game.If you really think going from Wally West needing a huge boost of Speed Force just to touch you to getting snagged by Wonder Woman's goddamn lasso isn't some kind of a powerdown, you're out of your mind.

Besides, in a League with a guy who has ALL the powers of EVERY mutant who EVER existed, AS WELL AS THE EXPERTISE TO GO WITH THEM, I'm still hard-pressed to comprehend why having a fully customized Amazo with the powers of four ubers, two meds, and a reg, with no expertise, was that ridiculous.Well, that version of Huber is technically still up for discussion. I think that version, on power alone, would be tuber. This current guy, who only ever manifested two powers at a time from mutants who still have their powers, is still an excellent Uber, but probably not Tuber with most combinations.

[XFanTim]

Yeah, Huber should only be allowed based on the two at a time thing. And even then, I think that if X were to push it too much (e.g. my example of mixing Multiple Man with a high-level uber to make, say, fifty Magnetos or something) he'd probably lose votes for going too uber.

In contrast, Amazo has the powers of multiple ubers all the time, and those ubers are more powerful than almost every Marvel mutant.

[X]

I've already HAD him use Multiple Man's powers to make multiple versions of Colossus.

The most insane wetdream version of Huber anyone can imagine isn't how I use him and it's not how he's been portrayed in comics.

I fail to see the issue with a character who's never acted as people are saying he'd "be too uber... IF he did that!" during.

[wiegeabo]

I think the main difference between Huber and characters like Amazo is that, if X used him in a tuber way, we'd call him on it in debate/votes. But Amazo can't help to be tuber because of his base powerset.

I think the hardest part of writing against power copiers like this is figuring out how to beat him without downplaying or making them stupid. Especially since they could (in theory) come up with a power to counter attacks.

[Aristotle]

You're ignoring the fact that Flash was only able to beat him after getting a significant speed-boost from other speedsters -- and even then only after a protracted and evenly matched fight. Before that, Zoom was pretty much kicking his ass. There wasn't any trick Flash used that trumped Zoom's advantage in raw speed.Pushing him into his own superspeed or whatever it was. That was a trick, and he fell for it, because he DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HIS OWN POWERS the way the Flashes do.

His reflexes are as accelerated as his movements, because his whole timeline is accelerated. There's no logical reason he'd have to slow down to dodge an attack.Yes, his reflexes are accelerated as well. But ANYTHING has to slow down to execute turns and twists and ducks and dodges.

And yet he looks many orders of magnitude slower than he did in Blitz. We acknowledge the unofficial powerups and powerdowns of people like Superman and Darkseid (and they've had more power shifts over the years than just the crises -- compare Silver Age Superman to Bronze Age, for instance) -- why wouldn't we with Zoom?Silver Age to Bronze Age was an official power change, I believe, with a somewhat lengthy and overly drawn-out story explaining it. Something about sand or something? Furthermore, I see Crisis as a very official powerdown for both Darkseid and Superman. It was an official REBOOT. They're DIFFERENT CHARACTERS.

Hey, if people are cool with me having Zoom phase, I sure wouldn't mind. But I thought someone might object that that was "having my cake and eating it too".In my view, he's been retconned to have always had that power, and it frankly makes sense. There's nothing Speedforcey about that power. He moves so fast he can vibrate through something. Wally doesn't do that with the Speed Force, he does that with his speed. It's not like Bart making dupes of himself or something, which has ****-all to do with speed.

If Zoom had this problem, Flash could have just made a sharp turn while they were running around the Earth and sent Zoom skidding into a wall.No, it just means that Zoom would have had to slow down enough to execute the turn, just like Flash would. They both still do those things VERY VERY FAST. But they do slow down.

And it wasn't like they were fighting in an elevator or something -- they were outdoors.Why is my memory putting that fight inside a house? It's been a LONG time since I read that issue, like probably I haven't read it since it came out, but for some reason, I remember it being like inside some abandoned house.

There were plenty of points in Blitz were Zoom and Flash weren't just running in straight lines, and Flash still needed a speed boost to keep pace.Because Flash also has to slow down. But if we're looking at this from a GL vs. Zoom perspective, if Zoom is forced to slow himself down somewhat notably to work in the close quarters of a prison, Kyle has much more of a fighting chance. After all, he, too, can move at very fast speeds, which means that the ring must necessarily allow him to react with similar speeds, lest he go flying through a planet or something. So he too has superspeed AND the trappings that it entails. Zoom compensating for close quarters allows Kyle, who probably isn't moving that much, to at least be able to track him and react to him a bit--and then let the most powerful weapon in the universe take care of him.

Um, to what are you referring? If you reread my writeup, I actually had him lose to Green Lantern. I just had him take enough out of Kyle that he wasn't quick enough to find and stop Invisible Woman (Malice) before she finished him off.He didn't lose that fight. He just also didn't win it. His team comes out of that WAY better than Kyle's does.

And Green Lantern doesn't have even Wonder Woman level speedHow do they do all that interstellar traveling so damn fast, then?

I'd also like to note that in my last two writeups I've had Zoom get taken out both times, but only after making a significant difference in the fight. You seem to want him to not even be consequential.I just don't happen to believe that he would take that much out of Green Lantern that easily. I don't even mind seeing him beat Green Lantern--but not just be punching his forcefield real hard.

Which by the way, that's another thing: you underwrite the crap out of forcefields. If I underestimate Zoom, you underestimate forcefields.

[wiegeabo]

Hey, where the votes at?! :confused:

[Aristotle]

I voted dude. I rocked the vote.

Forget the votes for a sec...where the writeups at? X never wrote one!

[X]

I think the main difference between Huber and characters like Amazo is that, if X used him in a tuber way, we'd call him on it in debate/votes. But Amazo can't help to be tuber because of his base powerset.

I think the hardest part of writing against power copiers like this is figuring out how to beat him without downplaying or making them stupid. Especially since they could (in theory) come up with a power to counter attacks.

How about the fact that Huber can't use killing force against ANY mutant?

[wiegeabo]

I voted dude. I rocked the vote.

Forget the votes for a sec...where the writeups at? X never wrote one!

And I thank you for your vote. But we've got like, what? Four votes in eight days? Where's the participation?

[X]

I doooo remember saying this was going to happen.

I did my best for a few weeks. I can't keep putting in as much as I was after Leaguer didn't even bother to explain why he couldn't show up.

[Aristotle]

Yes, but, ah...you didn't write ANYTHING.

I am also frustrated by the lack of participation. Maybe we should PM everyone who isn't showing up and get their asses over here. PM everyone to vote, and PM some of these guys who aren't even writing up for the last two weeks.

[LadyVader]

I was out of town for the weekend but I'm back and I'll vote later today.

[wiegeabo]

I was out of town for the weekend but I'm back and I'll vote later today.

Well...um....that's no excuse! :mad:

:p

[Aristotle]

The whole X thing has me cornfuzzled. Except when he's having a momentary lapse of judgment and quitting, he's like the biggest DTL stalwart. He's even posting here.

But no writeup.

[X]

Yes, but, ah...you didn't write ANYTHING.

I am also frustrated by the lack of participation. Maybe we should PM everyone who isn't showing up and get their asses over here. PM everyone to vote, and PM some of these guys who aren't even writing up for the last two weeks.

I was consistent for as long as I could be, Aristotle. You did see the quality of the writing I put out for multiple weeks in a row, right?

Half the people, literally HALF the people I was supposed to face didn't so much as show up.

I might as well go write stand alone fan fiction if people don't give a **** about the game I'm involved in, that they're also participating in.

[XFanTim]

I don't have the energy to keep debating Zoom ad infinitum, but to respond to two specific things Ari said:

(1) Sure, Flash and Zoom may slow down a bit to execute turns. But my point is Zoom (as portrayed in Blitz) doesn't slow down enough that Wonder Woman should be touching him, ever.

(2) Yeah, GL's can do interstellar travel and all that, but that's "staight line speed". They aren't remotely on Flash, Superman, or Wonder Woman's level in terms of reflexes and combat speed.

[XFanTim]

To reiterate what I said in my battle thread: I really think we should keep voting open until we get some minimum number of votes. And I'm not just saying this because I'm currently down 2-0. :p

Perhaps we could close debate at some point, so that people could start thinking about the next match. But I don't think voting should close until some minimum is reached -- something better than having matches decided by three or so total votes.

[Aristotle]

I was consistent for as long as I could be, Aristotle. You did see the quality of the writing I put out for multiple weeks in a row, right?

Half the people, literally HALF the people I was supposed to face didn't so much as show up.

I might as well go write stand alone fan fiction if people don't give a **** about the game I'm involved in, that they're also participating in.I'm just saying, you didn't write ANYTHING.

[primemover]

Good to see The Ghost and Inertia gettin' some action, but I don't see any other of my old team around, boo.

[Harlekin]

I'll be voting today.

[X]

I don't have the energy to keep debating Zoom ad infinitum, but to respond to two specific things Ari said:

(1) Sure, Flash and Zoom may slow down a bit to execute turns. But my point is Zoom (as portrayed in Blitz) doesn't slow down enough that Wonder Woman should be touching him, ever.

(2) Yeah, GL's can do interstellar travel and all that, but that's "staight line speed". They aren't remotely on Flash, Superman, or Wonder Woman's level in terms of reflexes and combat speed.

Green Lantern's have shown the ability to interact with Flash's at superhuman speeds.

And they've circled planets in combat.

So, yeah, they've got obvious functional superspeed.

[X]

I'm just saying, you didn't write ANYTHING.

Almost everyone that doesn't participate doesn't write anything.

I wrote friggin' half dozen page epics every week until I got disgusted with people not even entertaining the notion to tell me I shouldn't bother that week.

[Aristotle]

OK, so are you quitting again, or what?

[LadyVader]

Good to see The Ghost and Inertia gettin' some action, but I don't see any other of my old team around, boo.

DIdn't you have Stellaris at some point Prime? Or was that X? I know SOMEBODY had her. :) also... any suggestion for a female uber that could replace Captain Atom? :woot:

[TheCorpulent1]

Kismet, maybe?

[primemover]

DIdn't you have Stellaris at some point Prime? Or was that X? I know SOMEBODY had her. :) also... any suggestion for a female uber that could replace Captain Atom? :woot:

No Stellaris, sounds like something Corp would have had. Get Supernalia, Nebulon's wife, Neb's powers, but with boobs.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Hey guys, I'm only on for like two minutes. I'm in the middle of prep's this week, as another project got activated a couple months in advance, and I'm jammed on that. I -should- have more time next week.

[Khellendros]

I was consistent for as long as I could be, Aristotle. You did see the quality of the writing I put out for multiple weeks in a row, right?

Half the people, literally HALF the people I was supposed to face didn't so much as show up.

I might as well go write stand alone fan fiction if people don't give a **** about the game I'm involved in, that they're also participating in.Yeah, well, you better BRING IT when it comes time to face the Immortals.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Captain (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/Captain%20Marvel/Genis%20x2/scan0006.gif) Marvel (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/Captain%20Marvel/Genis%20x2/scan0009.gif) (Genis-Vel (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/Captain%20Marvel/Genis%20x2/scan0010.gif) x2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/Captain%20Marvel/Genis%20x2/scan0011.gif))
Thanos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanos#Powers_and_abilities)
Mount (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/Mount%20Joy/Explanation.gif) Joy (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/Mount%20Joy/BallisticField.gif)
MultipleMan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_Man#Powers_and_abilities)
Northstar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northstar#Powers_and_abilities) (Agent of Hydra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HYDRA))

[X]

Yeah, well, you better BRING IT when it comes time to face the Immortals.

Bleh.

[AnnoyingSilence]

i was wondering if anyone could give me diminstrations of Thanos' transmutation abilities

[Khellendros]

Bleh.
Or... continue being a sad sack, Christ.

[AnnoyingSilence]

google sad sack... http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/asstd2/sadsack.jpg

[Aristotle]

It might be approaching time to admit defeat and close voting...

[Harlekin]

I still need to vote in two threads.

[Darren Unsworth]

Check out this superhero spoof I found on Youtube
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Dsuceka5_HY

Apparently, Home Made Vigilante is being made into a feature film next year. Should be good.

[Aristotle]

Thanks, Dare-Bear, but this is really the wrong forum.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Check out this superhero spoof I found on Youtube
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Dsuceka5_HY

Apparently, Home Made Vigilante is being made into a feature film next year. Should be good.not good enough for american television

[wiegeabo]

So, has everyone had a chance to vote in all the threads yet? Because I we really need to get voting closed today seeing as how lineups are due by midnight, and week 6 is supposed to start tomorrow.


Basically, each match will take 10 days. 4 days for writeups/debates, 3 days for voting, 2 days for lineups, and a day off before the next match (or in case we need to stick an extra day somewhere). This gives us an extra day to write, and eliminates the overlap we used to have.


So here's how I see the rest of the season going:
Week 5: Nov. 26 - Dec. 5
Week 6: Dec. 6 - Dec. 15
Holiday break
Week 7: Jan. 3 - Jan. 12
Week 8: Jan. 13 - Jan. 23
Week 9: Jan. 24 - Feb. 3
Week 10: Feb. 4 - Feb. 14
Week 11: Feb. 15 - Feb. 25
Week 12: Feb. 26 - Mar. 7
Week 13: Mar. 8 - Mar. 18


Now that I've seen how long this would make the season run, there are a couple of things we could do to shorten it.

We could have a third match in December (have it last 2 weeks because of the holidays), ending the season a week early.
We could eliminate the extra (10th) day. (That would save a week and make an extra match in December easier.)
We could eliminate the third voting day. (That would save us another week).

And we could go back down to a normal week schedule for playoffs since they'll be fewer matches to read.

I bring this up again because I think it got lost in the Zoom debate, and I've still only gotten one comment either for or against.

If we institute all three time saving ideas, we could have the season done by Valentine's Day. Then just two weeks of playoffs (3 if we need a bye week), and that's it for season 5.

[XFanTim]

I think that schedule and the time saving ideas sound fine. The only one I'm not so sure about is cutting a day out of voting, since we're having a hard time getting votes anyway.

Regarding votes: perhaps my thoughts about having a certain minimum number of votes per match aren't realistic, since we can only keep matches open so long if we ever want to get through the season. But I'd say at least for the playoffs, we really should say "You need at least X votes to win." If that means a playoff match runs a little longer than scheduled, it's probably not such a big deal.

By the way: Are we ever going to do any theme weeks? If we had to pick one, I'd say regs-only week would be really fun. (We'd probably have to give people a few temporary roster spots to pick up more regs, though.)

[wiegeabo]

I think that schedule and the time saving ideas sound fine. The only one I'm not so sure about is cutting a day out of voting, since we're having a hard time getting votes anyway.

Regarding votes: perhaps my thoughts about having a certain minimum number of votes per match aren't realistic, since we can only keep matches open so long if we ever want to get through the season. But I'd say at least for the playoffs, we really should say "You need at least X votes to win." If that means a playoff match runs a little longer than scheduled, it's probably not such a big deal.

By the way: Are we ever going to do any theme weeks? If we had to pick one, I'd say regs-only week would be really fun. (We'd probably have to give people a few temporary roster spots to pick up more regs, though.)


There was supposed to be a theme for week 6, but I forgot all about it. Now there's not enough time. So I'll make our two week Christmas match a theme week.

I'm just saving the theme for a surprise. ;)


(Actually, I don't know it either. One will just be randomly picked before the two days for lineups.)

[wiegeabo]

I'm tallying votes now, so there's still some time to get them in if you haven't yet.

[Aristotle]

I like that Regs-Only Week idea a lot, actually.

Or Ubers-Only Week. Holy ****, what an awesome match to write. No holds barred, no holding back, attack whoever you want and however hard you want.

[wiegeabo]

Here's a list of some theme weeks we talked about earlier:

Full Disclosure Week (teams get to know everything about the other side)
No Uber/Mid/Reg Weeks (If necessary, you can pick up additional characters without giving characters in your roster up)
Mind-Swap week (your characters minds randomly swapped with team mates bodies)
Ambush Week (you choose your opponent's lineup)
Swap Week (you have to fight using your opponent's team)
No Prep-Time Week (Characters are dropped into the battle without any prep-time)


If anyone's got more ideas, I'd like to hear them.

Two ideas that were shot down:
Short-handed Week (Opponent chooses one of your players to lose, and it becomes a 4-4 match)
Non-Fighting Week (Opponent's face each other in a non-fighting competition)

[Nightwing.]

that full disclosure...arent we doing that already?

or does this mean we find out their strategy?

[wiegeabo]

Well, the basic description we provide don't cover everything. Just enough of their powers to give the team something to work with. But in full disclosure, you learn everything about their powers, weaknesses, their history. It's like they get to read all the bios that we get to read and plan accordingly.

[Nightwing.]

i thought we were gonna be having other fun themed weeks....you know like battling in different occupied locations and stuff...which i know kinda removes the fun out of those if you only debate but for the writing folk its brilliant

you could have your regs only match in a zombie infested raccoon city...not only do they have to fight each other but chances are they arent energy manipulators and have to fight their way out of the zombie hordes...that would be well good

[wiegeabo]

We could add zombie week to the theme list...

[Nightwing.]

WOHOO!!!!

Go Zombie Week

[LadyVader]

Zombie week or bust.

[Aristotle]

What's this non-fighting thing? How exactly do you fight a match without fighting it? Zen has no place in the DTL...

[Nightwing.]

Zombie week or bust.

Im either really tired or just really dumb....I dont get what you mean

[XFanTim]

Possibly it's an American cliche? It means you're determined to do it or fail in the attempt -- no giving up. Like hitchikers (in cartoons, anyway) would have signs saying "California or bust".

Basically LadyVader is saying she really wants a zombie week.

[wiegeabo]

What's this non-fighting thing? How exactly do you fight a match without fighting it? Zen has no place in the DTL...

You'd have a task to complete. Like catpure the flag. Or, one season, we had a match in the Gamemaster's base. And someone did a writeup where there teams paired off 1 on 1 in different games. (I think one was a giant Rock 'em Sock 'em Robots).

[Aristotle]

So, in Capture the Flag, would any kind of roughhousing be allowed?

[Khellendros]

So, has everyone had a chance to vote in all the threads yet? Because I we really need to get voting closed today seeing as how lineups are due by midnight, and week 6 is supposed to start tomorrow.



I bring this up again because I think it got lost in the Zoom debate, and I've still only gotten one comment either for or against.

If we institute all three time saving ideas, we could have the season done by Valentine's Day. Then just two weeks of playoffs (3 if we need a bye week), and that's it for season 5.
I'm for it.

[Aristotle]

As regards the lateness of voting: we could just leave voting open long enough to get a minimum of five, or six, or whichever number, and then start the following week anyway. Basically, voting could run over into the following week's writeup time, which would proceed alongside it, until we got that minimum.

I guess that's sort of what we did this week anyway.

[DTL Commish]

Voting is now over.

[wiegeabo]

Well, not much movement in the rankings this week. The biggest news is that, once again, we'll have no undefeated team after a full season.

[Aristotle]

Has anyone picked up the Last Chancers or the Nameless Wonders yet?

(bad ventriloquism tries to act like it's coming from somewhere else in the room): I'll pick one up!

(more bad ventriloquism): yeah, me too!

[wiegeabo]

Ok, would anyone have a problem with week 6 lasting nine days?

Basically we'd have 4 days for writeups/debates, 3 days for voting, 2 days for lineups.

[Aristotle]

Nope, no problems.

About those two ownerless teams? Are they just turning into byes?

[Khellendros]

Quoting this in here, from the Transactions thread, for Nightwing:

Question, since I haven't read much of Captain Britain. Where does his immunity to magic and telepathy come from? The sword, or are they just inherent to his powers? Also, when did he start using the sword? As in, what issues?

[Ahura Mazda]

^ That is a good question because I cannot find any sign of it in any of his profiles.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think he started using the sword in the Excalibur mini-series from 2000 (http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=list&title=30222113515&snumber=1). I never saw him use it before that, but I admit I wasn't the biggest Excalibur devotee. Really, I only got that mini-series for the Black Knight.

[Nightwing.]

Possibly it's an American cliche? It means you're determined to do it or fail in the attempt -- no giving up. Like hitchikers (in cartoons, anyway) would have signs saying "California or bust".

Basically LadyVader is saying she really wants a zombie week.

aaah....british so didnt get that one.

[Nightwing.]

I think he started using the sword in the Excalibur mini-series from 2000 (http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=list&title=30222113515&snumber=1). I never saw him use it before that, but I admit I wasn't the biggest Excalibur devotee. Really, I only got that mini-series for the Black Knight.

I believe that excalibur was as indestructible as the Ebony Blade but didnt have the powers that Dane's blade does....

Corp if you could confirm this?

[Khellendros]

I believe that excalibur was as indestructible as the Ebony Blade but didnt have the powers that Dane's blade does....

Corp if you could confirm this?ARE those the only issues he used Excalibur? And could you answer the rest of my questions? EDIT Never mind, just saw your answers in the other thread.

[Khellendros]

ALSO:

no, but hes never had infinite power with infinite wisdome before either

which is why i'm asking how many people are willing to accept that he could do some thing like that though hes never done it before
I'm sorry, infinite power, and he's NOT tuber? The ****? And weren't you *****ing about how overpowered mages supposedly are?

[Aristotle]

OK, infinite power + infinite wisdom = tuber. If such a character is used in a match against me, I am going to disregard said character and pick another one from the owner's roster to fight against. So AS, you will either pick a different character, or you will NOT write Genis-Vell as having infinite ANYTHING.

[Khellendros]

OK, infinite power + infinite wisdom = tuber. If such a character is used in a match against me, I am going to disregard said character and pick another one from the owner's roster to fight against. So AS, you will either pick a different character, or you will NOT write Genis-Vell as having infinite ANYTHING.Bwahaha. Co-signed.

[Aristotle]

By the way, Khel, I answered your question about Misty in the Transactions thread, but her name is Misty Kilgore. She's the stepdaughter of the Sheeda Queen, and Zatanna's apprentice from the 7S mini. She's basically Zatanna-lite, and I'd say a solid med, as long as AS doesn't overwrite her.

[LadyVader]

Possibly it's an American cliche? It means you're determined to do it or fail in the attempt -- no giving up. Like hitchikers (in cartoons, anyway) would have signs saying "California or bust".

Basically LadyVader is saying she really wants a zombie week.

Grrr. Argh.

[TheCorpulent1]

I believe that excalibur was as indestructible as the Ebony Blade but didnt have the powers that Dane's blade does....

Corp if you could confirm this?
Yeah, it's supposed to be indestructible, like the Ebony Blade. I don't remember what powers Excalibur had or how they compare to the Blade's, though.

[wiegeabo]

Matches have been posted. I'll get to more Update updating tomorrow.

[Aristotle]

OK, in regards to AnnoyingSilence's lineup: since the only descriptions ever posted were links, rather than short descriptions, I'm going to assume that my characters know everything shown in the links?

[AnnoyingSilence]

our characters don't know eachother at all... you have all dc i have all marvel

[AnnoyingSilence]

do all kryptonians have the same weaknesses?

[Aristotle]

our characters don't know eachother at all... you have all dc i have all marvelOur characters work from the descriptions we give when we post our lineups. Since all you gave me was links, my characters will be working from those links.

[Aristotle]

do all kryptonians have the same weaknesses?All Kryptonians do have the same weaknesses, yes.

[Harlekin]

You work from what you would reasonably have been told. You don't get full disclosure.

Off for the weekend guys, will post then.

[AnnoyingSilence]

so you know thier powers but not thier weaknesses

[Aristotle]

Meh, I didn't end up really using much more than what a bare-bones description would have been anyway.

[Nightwing.]

Yeah, it's supposed to be indestructible, like the Ebony Blade. I don't remember what powers Excalibur had or how they compare to the Blade's, though.

Excalibur, as far as im aware, doesnt have any powers as such in the ways of energy projection etc, its just indestructible and only Brian can wield it.

[AnnoyingSilence]

how many times can ariella dupe?

[Nightwing.]

Superman of Kingdom Come had no added resistance to magic seen by how easily he cut himself on Wonder Womans sword and how much Marvel's lightening hurt him.

I thought he had the resistance which made him keep going.Or would you put that down to will power?

[wiegeabo]

Kingdom Come Superman was definitely stronger, seeing as how he spent so much more time under the yellow sun. He's more resistant to kryptonite. So he's probably also more resistant to magic. But I don't think he's immune.

[wiegeabo]

So, going to a 9 day week, here's how the new schedule looks:

Week 6: Dec. 6 - Dec. 14
Week 7: Dec. 15 - Jan. 3
Week 8: Jan. 4 - Jan. 12
Week 9: Jan. 13 - Jan. 21
Week 10: Jan. 22 - Jan. 30
Week 11: Jan. 31 - Feb. 8
Week 12: Feb. 9 - Feb. 17
Week 13: Feb. 18 - Feb. 26


Now instead of ending on March 8, we finish up almost a week and a half sooner.

And this bring up the playoffs.

Originally I thought of having two weeks of playoffs. The top two teams in each conference fight, and the winners fight in the championship.

But now I'm thinking of having three weeks. The second and third place teams in each conference fight, while the first place teams gets a week off. The winners of those fights take on the first place teams. And the winners of those fight each other in the championship.

The second idea adds a week to the playoffs, but it gives more people a chance to make the playoffs, and should make the season that much more competitive.


What do you all think?

[TheCorpulent1]

Kingdom Come Superman was definitely stronger, seeing as how he spent so much more time under the yellow sun. He's more resistant to kryptonite. So he's probably also more resistant to magic. But I don't think he's immune.
I personally just figured his toughness had gone up along with the rest of his powers due to the length of time he was under a yellow sun. He's not more resistant to Kryptonite or magic, per se, he's just tougher and harder to hurt all around, hence his ability to stand up to Captain Marvel's lightning enough to beat him. Still, if an item is magically enchanted to cut anything, that's absolute. Unless Superman had magic to counter it or a similarly enchanted item to block it with, he's gonna get cut no matter how tough he's become.

[Aristotle]

how many times can ariella dupe?It's been a long time since I read Ariella, but I believe it was only once, hence the power being duplication rather than replication. Replication would imply multiples to me.

Either way, I didn't use it this match, because I assumed that people would frown upon an uber with that powerset duping. If people are cool with that, I'll use it in the future, of course.

[Aristotle]

Kingdom Come Superman was definitely stronger, seeing as how he spent so much more time under the yellow sun. He's more resistant to kryptonite. So he's probably also more resistant to magic. But I don't think he's immune.Come to think of it, not all Kryptonians have the same weaknesses, just most. Apparently, Superman-Prime does not have the weakness to magic (at least, not any more than the next super-powered schmoe) and there is no kryptonite from his home universe.

Other than that, all Kryptonians have the same weaknesses: magic, and kryptonite from their home universe.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm guessing there is no magic in the Prime-verse, since it was supposed to be exactly like ours except for Superboy's existence.

[Aristotle]

Yeah...still, I don't know if that in and of itself constitutes a reason for a Kryptonian to be resistant to magic.

[TheCorpulent1]

I can't recall magic ever being that effective against him in the New Earth-verse.

[Aristotle]

No, it hasn't, and he's obviously resistant or even immune to it, which I'm grateful for as the owner of the character in the DTL, but I'm skeptical of the reasoning behind as a comic book reader.

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe it really is just because magic doesn't exist in the Prime-verse. He's the product of a purely scientific universe, so only scientific stuff can affect him. Not much logic there, I know, but it's the only thing I can come up with.

[Nightwing.]

I personally just figured his toughness had gone up along with the rest of his powers due to the length of time he was under a yellow sun. He's not more resistant to Kryptonite or magic, per se, he's just tougher and harder to hurt all around, hence his ability to stand up to Captain Marvel's lightning enough to beat him. Still, if an item is magically enchanted to cut anything, that's absolute. Unless Superman had magic to counter it or a similarly enchanted item to block it with, he's gonna get cut no matter how tough he's become.

yeah thats what i thought.I know hes not immune to it but through age,experience and time spent on earth his thresholds against these weaknesses have increased to give him a higher resistance.

As for this Supes 1Mil, if Kryptonite cant kill or hurt him,nor can magic, what the hell can?

from the bio that X provided i noticed that his powers were still the same and that he had TK and TP and a higher intelligence....

Surely he should still have the same weaknesses....hes still superman after all...even Cyborg supes has kryptonite weakness...

im pretty narked i have to face 1mil this week anyway considering i was one of the many who voted him tuber and didnt want him in this competition

[Aristotle]

As for this Supes 1Mil, if Kryptonite cant kill or hurt him,nor can magic, what the hell can?Else-Man, who's banned from the League. Also, you could boom-tube his ass into a ****in' black hole or some ****. Or maybe to a fire-pit on Apokolips and let Darkseid sort him out.

[Khellendros]

As for this Supes 1Mil, if Kryptonite cant hurt him,nor can magic, what the hell can?A broken heart. :waa:

[TheCorpulent1]

The revelation that his haircut sucks is gonna be a major blow one day, too. :(

[Khellendros]

The revelation that his haircut sucks is gonna be a major blow one day, too. :(No kidding, man, that's gonna be one sad day in Kal Kent's life, I tell you what.

[Nightwing.]

Else-Man, who's banned from the League. Also, you could boom-tube his ass into a ****in' black hole or some ****. Or maybe to a fire-pit on Apokolips and let Darkseid sort him out.

ah so basically nothing seen as im not using Darkseid this week...

why is this guy allowed in the DTL again?

[Aristotle]

No good reason. Else-Man, with the same powerset, was disallowed. S1M was allowed. I frankly don't see how this is a tenable position, but such is the ruling.

Shoulda used Darkseid and just Omega'd his ass.

[Khellendros]

ah so basically nothing seen as im not using Darkseid this week...

why is this guy allowed in the DTL again?Because X kept going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on (I totally just typed all that, by the way, no copy/paste for me) about how he should be let in, in an effort to shoehorn Else-Man in as well.

[Aristotle]

But since Else-Man is out, there's really no way to take S1M out without being cheapo and boom-tubing him or whatnot. If that's the ONLY way to beat a character, shouldn't they be gone?

[TheCorpulent1]

Didn't X make the case that Supes 1M isn't significantly more powerful than normal Superman? He just doesn't have the obvious Kryptonite weakness (I'm not mentioning magic since magic tends to work on pretty much everyone).

[AnnoyingSilence]

and doesn't S1M also drain of energy faster?

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes, anytime he's out of his 853rd-century Solar System with 2 suns, he's losing power. But I think someone else pointed out that S1M was still ridiculously powerful by the modern-day heroes' standards for a pretty long time, even though he was ostensibly losing power from the moment he traveled back in time.

[AnnoyingSilence]

so... too uber

[AnnoyingSilence]

the only thing thats gonna take him out is magic

[XFanTim]

So, going to a 9 day week, here's how the new schedule looks:

Week 6: Dec. 6 - Dec. 14
Week 7: Dec. 15 - Jan. 3
Week 8: Jan. 4 - Jan. 12
Week 9: Jan. 13 - Jan. 21
Week 10: Jan. 22 - Jan. 30
Week 11: Jan. 31 - Feb. 8
Week 12: Feb. 9 - Feb. 17
Week 13: Feb. 18 - Feb. 26


Now instead of ending on March 8, we finish up almost a week and a half sooner.

And this bring up the playoffs.

Originally I thought of having two weeks of playoffs. The top two teams in each conference fight, and the winners fight in the championship.

But now I'm thinking of having three weeks. The second and third place teams in each conference fight, while the first place teams gets a week off. The winners of those fights take on the first place teams. And the winners of those fight each other in the championship.

The second idea adds a week to the playoffs, but it gives more people a chance to make the playoffs, and should make the season that much more competitive.


What do you all think?
So a six-team playoff? That sounds pretty good to me. Four teams would be a little too exclusive, but six is still small enough to make getting to the playoffs an accomplishment. With three weeks, we could even go to an eight team bracket -- but I kind of like the idea of the top team in each conference being rewarded with a week off. Especially since I'm still in first place. :D

[XFanTim]

By the way, Who's record is listed incorrectly. You have him at 3-1, but he should have a total of five matches like everyone else.

[Khellendros]

Yes, anytime he's out of his 853rd-century Solar System with 2 suns, he's losing power. But I think someone else pointed out that S1M was still ridiculously powerful by the modern-day heroes' standards for a pretty long time, even though he was ostensibly losing power from the moment he traveled back in time.Actually, his most recent appearance in All-Star Superman has him living in the past for at least a couple days with seemingly no power loss.

the only thing thats gonna take him out is magicWrong. He's immune to magic.