Dream Team League (Discussion)

[X]

Terra a regular? I think she might be, well, above that. Sure, Slade has beaten her, but it was pretty damned circumstancial.

I already mentioned Silver Swan and Katanna, by the way. :)

[JewishHobbit]

Hobbit-DC not having Regulars? What would you call most of Batman's cast and enemies? The Rogues Gallery? A lot of the Titans enemies?

Like I said to X, most of the known DC characters. Batman's roster was the only exception and that's only really known if you watched the cartoon or movies. That's really the only avenue I knew when i first jumped in. That's why I had Poison Ivy as my DC regular for so long even though everyone was telling me they weren't voting for me do to her. She's one of the few that I knew. I'm sure that there are tons of DC regs out there, but they aren't as well known as the Marvel Regs are.

[Franklin Richards]

How does Terra compare to Terrax?

:thing: :doom: :thing:

[X]

Like I said to X, most of the known DC characters. Batman's roster was the only exception and that's only really known if you watched the cartoon or movies. That's really the only avenue I knew when i first jumped in. That's why I had Poison Ivy as my DC regular for so long even though everyone was telling me they weren't voting for me do to her. She's one of the few that I knew. I'm sure that there are tons of DC regs out there, but they aren't as well known as the Marvel Regs are.

I was joking in the first place. Relax.

How does Terra compare to Terrax?

:thing: :doom: :thing:

Well, I don't see her picking up/affecting all of Manhatten, but she's pretty damned powerful. I really don't know, I can't pin point where she is. Powerful though.

[JewishHobbit]

I was joking in the first place. Relax.

Oh, I know. Don't worry, I'm not at all out of shape about it. It takes a lot to rile me up. You are the only person on this site who ever has and it lasted maybe 2 minutes, then I was fine and moved on. (Be proud of yourself) :daredevil

[DonnieQuinn]

Hope my list is ok.

[X]

Oh, I know. Don't worry, I'm not at all out of shape about it. It takes a lot to rile me up. You are the only person on this site who ever has and it lasted maybe 2 minutes, then I was fine and moved on. (Be proud of yourself) :daredevil

Oh, I know. I was, just... well it was pretty much a moment to brag a bit if you want me to be brutally honest.

If you need any other help Quinn, please let me know. I'll gladly talk to you on Messenger for a while if that's what it takes.

By the way, somebody really, really needs to pick up The Cosmic Carnage, Carnage when he bonded with the Surfer. Pretty much all of the Surfer's powers, plus you have Carnage and that symbiote, which I'd imagine adds a lot more durability, he's ruthless, and he can extend the symbiote and still make weapons. I don't think he used his powers quite as well as The Surfer, but still. He managed to, with one casual blast, destroy about a dozen blocks of a city. He beat The Avengers, Thor, Iron Man, Cap, Justice and Firestar, and others. Thor got him pretty good, but he played him and knocked him out eventually. He was still vulnerable to mircowaves and certain sonics, but to a lesser degree. Iron Man had to really let loose with a certain frequency blast to bother him, and he just ended up getting screwed by Carnage's EMP blast.

Uhmmm, Carnage also twisted the Eifel Tower and was putting Pyramids on top of the White House. :D If anyone is interested, I'll gladly put up some scans from the comic. It was damned good. :up:

[The Leaguer]

Hmm, seems to be a little too close to regular Surfer to be counted as another character. Same deal as gamma Surfer. And as owner of both regular Silver Surfer and regular Carnage, I'd like to say, blast you, X. Blast you.

[X]

This is in a different reality, foo. :p

[Johnny Blaze]

Coldcast and Terra I can see as Middleweights, but Vera...I don't know. She hasn't really showed me that much to be considered a Middleweight. I'll have to re-read the Elite series and that JLA issue they appeared in.

[JewishHobbit]

This is in a different reality, foo. :p

What comic was this? None of that happened in the Spiderman comics I read.

[X]

It was from a What If Hobbit... Vol. 2 #108

[X]

So, Blaze, was anything ever done with my notion that The Vision should be a Middleweight? Or should I post some scans from this comic, which I just read? :D

http://milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=fullsize&issue=95078701518%205

Also, The Vision was responsible for Count Nefaria eventually being beaten. The same Count that took on Iron Man, Wonder Man, Thor, no big problem. Thor have him a decent tussle, but meh. They were dropping skyscrapers on him and it was doing almost nothing. Vision didn't do this to his most powerful incarnation, which was years later, he got his ass kicked then, but still.

I just think that the density manipulation, which can amp up his strength to the point where he can slug it out with Thor and get the better of Wonder Man, coupled with everything else, makes him a perfect example of a Middleweight. Plus you have very powerful solar blasts, which is pretty much a never run out of power attack... I think of him as a lite Martian Manhunter.

[DonnieQuinn]

Rogue with Thors powers , anyone back me up on this , in what if she kept them permenantly not just for a couple of minutes.

[Ahura Mazda]

So is the what if usable as reference to characters?

[JewishHobbit]

yup

[Johnny Blaze]

So, Blaze, was anything ever done with my notion that The Vision should be a Middleweight? Or should I post some scans from this comic, which I just read? :D

http://milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=fullsize&issue=95078701518%205

Also, The Vision was responsible for Count Nefaria eventually being beaten. The same Count that took on Iron Man, Wonder Man, Thor, no big problem. Thor have him a decent tussle, but meh. They were dropping skyscrapers on him and it was doing almost nothing. Vision didn't do this to his most powerful incarnation, which was years later, he got his ass kicked then, but still.

I just think that the density manipulation, which can amp up his strength to the point where he can slug it out with Thor and get the better of Wonder Man, coupled with everything else, makes him a perfect example of a Middleweight. Plus you have very powerful solar blasts, which is pretty much a never run out of power attack... I think of him as a lite Martian Manhunter. He is a Middleweight. I just haven't updated to rosters on the Hype yet to show who's been bumped up.
I guess I'll do that now. :D

[DBM]

Coldcast and Terra I can see as Middleweights, but Vera...I don't know. She hasn't really showed me that much to be considered a Middleweight. I'll have to re-read the Elite series and that JLA issue they appeared in.

Just my two cents, but I'd put Vera at middleweight. She seems to be able to hold her own against just about anyone she's been up against.

I'd say that anyone from the Elite would be middleweight or higher. They all were able to fight against Supes for little bit which is more than most regulars could do.

Those in the JLElite could be more debateable.

[JewishHobbit]

Okay guys. If any of you pray now would be a good time. My wife's uncle (and AS's wife's uncle as well) was in a bad accident today at his work. I don't know all the details yet but apparently his shirt got caught in some kind of machine and it pulled him in somehow. I do know that his ribs are broken and he has a collapsed long. They were able to stablize him but he's still in critical condition. That's all I really know at the moment but it looks pretty bad. Thanks.

[X]

Rogue with Thors powers , anyone back me up on this , in what if she kept them permenantly not just for a couple of minutes.

You know, I was going to bring this up, just read the comic last night.

She pretty much fully absorbed Thor, he was nothing but a husk. He lived on in her though and they eventually made peace. On top of all of Thor's powers, she also had Ms. Marvel's powers and could still leech power I guess. When she was kind of unbalanced and had Thor's power, she hit The Vision so hard... My god, he just ****ing flew. And when he came to a stop, he was in pieces, destroyed. She also wrecked a bunch of other Avengers, Wonder Man among others included. She could also wield Mjolnir, and do it quite well. Uhmm, what else. She effortlessy survived Pyro going all out on her from point blank range, then having the plane she was on explode. She flew to the ground, went through a building, that blew up, and she was fine. I think she might have her natural toughness (which is pretty impressive) on top of Thor's. She also hit The Blob so hard after he died, moving him off a plane into the ocean in the process, which is supposed to be impossible.

Make a helluva female uber if you ask me. One of the best in this thing. :up:

[JewishHobbit]

Okay guys. If any of you pray now would be a good time. My wife's uncle (and AS's wife's uncle as well) was in a bad accident today at his work. I don't know all the details yet but apparently his shirt got caught in some kind of machine and it pulled him in somehow. I do know that his ribs are broken and he has a collapsed long. They were able to stablize him but he's still in critical condition. That's all I really know at the moment but it looks pretty bad. Thanks.

Okay, things are looking better now. They say that he'll live fine but he's going to be in pain for quite a while. They decided that he doesn't need emergency surgery. He'll be in the hospital for a while though. So all's well.

[AnnoyingSilence]

That's the hard part, DC is mostly Ubers it seems. And for those of us who aren't into DC it's hard to find them. X is a good person to ask, he always has some good ideas. Also I think AS, er.. RandomQuickness has a thread somewhere in this forum with characters on it. There may be some good Regs there.actually i got rid of it for the time being...upgrading

[AnnoyingSilence]

Mostly uber? Any number of incarnations of The Legion, The Challengers of the Unknown, The New Guardians, The Conglomerate, The Royal Flush Gang, any number of war teams (The Losers come to mind) and any number of people from The Suicide Squad come to mind. All teams almost completely made up of regulars. No ubers my ass. :o :D ;)

Good DC Female Regulars? Dolphin, Dove, Crazy Jane, Amazing Grace, Ayla Ranzz, Wildcat, Fire, Flamebird, Katanna, Ice, The Silver Swan, and The Cheetah (any one of them, there are three) would make pretty decent regulars. Let me know if you're interested in any of them... I can get you scans from the DC's Who's Who.he was saying no reg, not no ubs

can you post some links for cheetah? plz:D

[AnnoyingSilence]

Hmm, seems to be a little too close to regular Surfer to be counted as another character. Same deal as gamma Surfer. And as owner of both regular Silver Surfer and regular Carnage, I'd like to say, blast you, X. Blast you.Cosmic Surfer was never stable with'm self, meaning he never had full control and Ss fought him the whole way, you'd go into every battle fighting your self until you removed him an put'm on someone else

[X]

Cosmic Surfer was never stable with'm self, meaning he never had full control and Ss fought him the whole way, you'd go into every battle fighting your self until you removed him an put'm on someone else

You really, really need to word things differently. Cosmic Surfer? Is that a typo or what?

Carnage had full control for a damned long time in the reality I was talking about, the only reality you'd be able to use him anyhow. Only when Firestar was brought in, along with Iron Man using sonar, did Norrin come through. Surfer was 100% under the symbiotes control for a damned good time, and he would be in the DTL unless you decided to call in certain players who's powers as his weakness.

he was saying no reg, not no ubs

can you post some links for cheetah? plz:D

What in the hell are you talking about? Everyone I mentioned is a regular. He said "DC seems to be all ubers".

And go and look for yourself. You're a big boy now, or at least I assume so.

[AnnoyingSilence]

<me being silent>
}tap,tap,tap,tap{

[X]

You know, an intelligent counter arguement won't kill you.

[the defenders]

I think it will.

[The Leaguer]

Lets find out.

[AnnoyingSilence]

i'm not countering anything anymore. like i said i'm tired of bickering... but when i feel like it i know who to start it with:D

[X]

No one was bickering. If you didn't notice, I in particuler was being respectful and even asked for an intelligent comeback, a discussion.

I simply don't think you're up to it.

[Johnny Blaze]

Well, we've hit another snag I'm afraid. Kmackintrush has dropped out and we need one more person to fill the final newbie spot.

[The Leaguer]

:mad:

[Johnny Blaze]

:confused:

[The Leaguer]

I need my DTL.

[JewishHobbit]

It's okay. We have a waiting list now remember? Who were the two who didn't make it in yet? I'll look them up and PM them.

[X]

I share Leaguers sentiments. Why do you ever get involved if you're going to drop out? I'm sure several of them knew they weren't going to be able to decicate themselves, one way or another.

[Roughneck]

Sorry guys but I have to drop out.

Okayb I'm kidding, but I am going to be away for the next two days. My list for the newbie draft is in and I hope I don't miss too much.

[AnnoyingSilence]

No one was bickering. If you didn't notice, I in particuler was being respectful and even asked for an intelligent comeback, a discussion.

I simply don't think you're up to it.
not right now, thanks for the concern(buddy):)

i still love you, you big booty hoe

[AnnoyingSilence]

I share Leaguers sentiments. Why do you ever get involved if you're going to drop out? I'm sure several of them knew they weren't going to be able to decicate themselves, one way or another.
>boom,boom< }boom,boom{ OOOOOO, MY HEAD!!!!!

people i swear think this thru 1st.... if you can't make time don't join. to all people recruiting explain it to them, tell them what it takes to compete(the schedule), how many weeks there will be(in a season), and an ask'm if they will have the time(not if they have it now, but for the months ahead). something is very wrong with this picture. i think some of these people are getting recruited, but they only have the basic idea of what their getting into. tell them that this thing is months an months an months long. tell them that the write-ups are not easy to win. tell them that they have to know comics reallllllllly good to have a chance(trust me i know that for a fact:hyper:) at winning anything. tell them the friggin requirements they have to have for each match.

if they understand after that. tell'm whos already taken(not all just some) and whos open. don't just say

"hey wanna join they cool tournament, you do writeups an make up your own comic team. we do write-ups each week, and get votted on to see who wins."

give them all the information up front. stick thier noses in it nice an right. then see if they still wanna join. tell'm

"man you should join this tournament that i'm in with these other guys. its hard to get a good team together kuz most of the greater than greats are taking already, but theres so many characters out there... you just have to find the right match ups for your team to be complete."

make it sound good, but let'm know it ain't easy

[AnnoyingSilence]

o, an member me sayin that i'm makin up a new name for my "new team". ya know how i've been sayin that even X will be pround of me and that i'd have an introduction for them.... well here it goes

[AnnoyingSilence]

The Chaos Theory

The motion of a butterfly's wings
can change weather patterns
on the other side of the world...

if the butterfly flaps his wings
alittle too early or even alittle too late
everything changes...

if a butterfly can have this kind of effect
on the other side of the world
then my team would more accurately
be described as an eagle.

The DTL will feel the ungodly uprising of the only sound that isn't heard around the world at all.



Devistating
Silence
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/eyes.jpg
Comming to the Dtl
Season 2

[Tropico]

If you're gonna hype up something (especially your team) and you wanna make it look "cool", at least this once: spell check.

choas=chaos
alittle=a little
uprissing=uprising

But most of all:
DEVISTATING=DEVASTATING

:p:D

[AnnoyingSilence]

everything is done the way i want it, even the spelling

[JewishHobbit]

I like it, very cool.

[DonnieQuinn]

My introduction:o

Donnie Quinn's team...is good.

[AnnoyingSilence]

thats a description, not introduction

[Mr_Incredible]

I'd say it's an introduction.

[Mr_Incredible]

Why did you spend so much time on your description. :o

[DonnieQuinn]

An intro can be a description loser. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon13.gif

[Franklin Richards]

Don't I remember, way back, something about NOT using What If's and Elseworlds? Seems like a bunch of hooey to me. Just pick some regular friggin' heroes. Yeesh.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[Johnny Blaze]

Actually, what's scaring most of the people off is understanding the drafts and having to make a big list. So, if any of you ever do find anyone else make sure you explain to them the rules of the draft and the different character classes.

Also, we only need one person at the moment. I PMed someone over Corpy's old team and I'm waiting on a reply.

[Ahura Mazda]

Well I can make part of my old list available minus a couple names if it would help anybody new.

[The Leaguer]

Oh my god, Mr Increadible's only two posts are to argue with AS. I love it.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Why did you spend so much time on your description. :o... y are you an ass?... its an introduction... i described my team then(just like a movie) you leave a lil drop(of some sort) that says thier comming or are already here.

an its not like i spent alot of time on it. came outta exiles, just thought it sound great an i've been repeating myself on how i got a whole new team for this season

[AnnoyingSilence]

Oh my god, Mr Increadible's only two posts are to argue with AS. I love it.someone gotta get these nb's arguen

[The Leaguer]

nb? Do you mean newb? Most words require at least one vowel.

[AnnoyingSilence]

do you know what initials are?

[Mr_Incredible]

Random****ness

[The Leaguer]

Yes, each one stands for a different word. So what does "nb" stand for.

[Mr_Incredible]

Random****ness needs to move out of his parents basement.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Yes, each one stands for a different word. So what does "nb" stand for.i'm sorry, i should say aberiviation not initials
like jr=junior, nb=newbie

[The Leaguer]

Second time's the charm. :up:

[AnnoyingSilence]

Random****ness needs to move out of his parents basement.whats your problem?
as for living situation... married, sharring a house with jewwishhobbit and his wife. you? probly 13, vergin, geek, and who knows what else

[AnnoyingSilence]

i think mr_queers-are-edible was made by someone here just to push me to argue all day long...

[The Leaguer]

Hah, AS strikes back with a vengeance.

[AnnoyingSilence]

o, leaguer... i hate you...

when i get home from work i read all the posts right... well some time i quote people... everytime i go to quote you, you have another avatar, but might i add that i like each one of'm

[The Leaguer]

Heh, thanks.

[mikeyh89]

whats your problem?
as for living situation... married, sharring a house with jewwishhobbit and his wife. you? probly 13, vergin, geek, and who knows what else

hey im 14 and a virgin but hopefully not after tonight! hehehe lol

also, i dont understand why the newbies hafta be so mean, lol! and as much as it may seem that im new, im not lol i just never posted cuz i forgot my password! :)

also, if you dont mind me asking, did you change your username from AnnoyingSilence to RandomQuickness? how do you do that? and also, those are interesting usernames, i like em! cuz i like the word random lol! i hate my username but i was like 13 and stupid so i made up some random nickname, put my initial to my last name and the year i was born!

and thats my life story! lol! i say "lol" a lot!

sorry for being so off topic but i think this is my longest post, hmmmm must get on topic.....

i sent my drafts in and i dont get the whole "What If?" thing!

yes! i was on topic for a line! :p

[AnnoyingSilence]

>HEAD IN HAND<}sigh{
pm dew, i'm about to go back to annoying silence, random quickness just ain't cuttin it

[the defenders]

whats your problem?
as for living situation... married, sharring a house with jewwishhobbit and his wife. you? probly 13, vergin, geek, and who knows what else

AHAHAH. Who would marry someone who can't spell virgin?

Don't make fun of other people idiot, at least they can form sentences.

nb =/= newb.

[AnnoyingSilence]

AHAHAH. Who would marry someone who can't spell virgin?

Don't make fun of other people idiot, at least they can form sentences.

nb =/= newb.to ways to come back off of the vergin deal:
1. its been so long sense i was one that i forgot how to spell it, glad you know how to:D
2. the truth is i just wanted the extra er sound

i'm so close now to finally get the macromedia up an goin. hopefully i'll be able to incorperate it into my write-ups(or just use it to replace the write-ups). heres alil macromedia for Ya (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/aa.swf)

[DonnieQuinn]

Holy **** whats going on here! Dammit isn't this supposed to be a DTL thread. I can't be bothreed to read it all but so what , RandomQuickness is a virgin or whatever? Mr Incredible is proberly one of those guys who gets dominated by his wife (sick). And the leaguear......is ammm?

I bet you all love star wars and are wearing a vader t shirt right now , dam geeks ..:p:D

[AnnoyingSilence]

LMFAO, oooooo man.... thats great.... woooooo>holding chest<

now thats what i call a comment

[X]

Don't I remember, way back, something about NOT using What If's and Elseworlds? Seems like a bunch of hooey to me. Just pick some regular friggin' heroes. Yeesh.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

Why are you so adimently against anything besides the normal 616? You know, Marvel and DC is allowed, and that means other realities within both realms. I mean, you're a comic fan, no? I'd think you've read a few What If's or Elsewords in your life, it isn't going to kill you to think outside the box.

[Ahura Mazda]

I just went to the marvel site to subscribe to comics but I cannot seem to subscribe to anything out of the classics.

I was hoping to subscribe to what ifs (if that is possible) and other more cosmic comics to give me greater insight to some of these characters.

Do any of you have any suggestion outside of ebay which is proving problematic as I end up paying twice the value of comics for delivery.

[Franklin Richards]

Why are you so adimently against anything besides the normal 616? You know, Marvel and DC is allowed, and that means other realities within both realms. I mean, you're a comic fan, no? I'd think you've read a few What If's or Elsewords in your life, it isn't going to kill you to think outside the box.

Not at all. But I just don't want alot of these one shot characters. Is that so hard for you to understand? I don't want Superman with Caps shield and Thor's hammer from JLA/Avengers. When we take alot of these amalgam characters that appear in Elseworlds/What If? we lower the value of all the characters they are amalgams of. I would gladly sacrifice my Doom with Power Cosmic if we stuck to the archetype characters.

It's just my preference. Don't make a big tadoo about it. Lot's of people have opinions and some of 'em stink.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[Ahura Mazda]

And so from reading the post above, does that mean amalgam characters are also allowed. I am now confused because I first thought what ifs were not allowed but they are and now you have amalgams.

Just what is allowed and what is not?

[X]

Well, that Superman isn't allowed for one.

You obviously don't believe in your statements enough not to use these "regular friggin' heroes".

Value of characters? You know, I believe Batman from DKR has just as much merit as normal Batman. He is Batman, with different things going on in a different environment. He isn't unsuperior, incompetent or anything else, he's the same old genius, high tech highly intelligent Batman who's a bit more rough around the edges. What is it really? Do you not like the speculation over characters who haven't been around for 40 years, who have been used constantly? Do you not like taking the time to research? I simply can't see you not like these characters because they aren't original. Not everyone is going to want to use normal Doom. What if they want to use Doom with massive magical powers? They can't use Doom from Unthinkable, not a big enough change. But, they can use the Sorceror Supreme Doom from a What If.

No speculation there. He's Doom. Same Tech, with the mastery over magic of Dr. Strange. We've got 40 years plus of knowledge on both of them, but you'd discount them because they aren't normal? Because they aren't from the 616? Bah. I think this is just as weak as your arguement against "Indy" charatcers.

[X]

And so from reading the post above, does that mean amalgam characters are also allowed. I am now confused because I first thought what ifs were not allowed but they are and now you have amalgams.

Just what is allowed and what is not?

Marvel and DC and all of their associated realities are allowed. Meaning, Amalgam characters are allowed. Wildstorm is allowed. Elsewords and What If's are allowed. The Authority, yadda yadda yadda. If you don't know, just ask.

[Franklin Richards]

You just gotta pick a fight, don't ya X?


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[X]

Actually, I'm trying to make a point. You plan to make a rebuttal or get off topic?

[Ahura Mazda]

Marvel and DC and all of their associated realities are allowed. Meaning, Amalgam characters are allowed. Wildstorm is allowed. Elsewords and What If's are allowed. The Authority, yadda yadda yadda. If you don't know, just ask.



Thanks and any suggestion regarding the subscription issue (that is issue for for me)

[X]

I just went to the marvel site to subscribe to comics but I cannot seem to subscribe to anything out of the classics.

I was hoping to subscribe to what ifs (if that is possible) and other more cosmic comics to give me greater insight to some of these characters.

Do any of you have any suggestion outside of ebay which is proving problematic as I end up paying twice the value of comics for delivery.

Well, you can't subsribe to What If's now... Well, vol. 3 is just starting up, you can do that if you want. I personally reccomend vol. 2, most of them. A good percent of them are very, very good. Vol. 1 is kind of meh.

Cosmic Comics? Well, The Silver Surfer vol. 3 and Thanos have been cancelled. I heard the SS was terrible, and the second Thanos arc (#-7-12) was terrible, I've read it. The first arc though, by Starlin, was great. Older Cosmic Comics, well, Silver Surfer vol. 1 for sure. You can get all of that in Essential SS, black and white though, for 5 or 6 bucks. Almost all of SS. vol. 2 is awesome, especially when Lim and Starlin were working together. The end of the series is pretty meh though.

[DBM]

Though I'm not in this, when I was, I was always a proponent of only well established characters. Not necessarily 616 (or the DC equivalent) but ones that are substantially established or have somehow been definitively shown to be significantly different from their mainstream equivalents.

Paring it down to only 616, would eliminate some great characters. Take Exiles Mimic for example, he is probably better established in terms of powers/abilities, attitude, and motivation than his 616 counterpart.

Eliminating all Elseworld/What if?/non-616 characters is probably a bad idea. I would suggest asking these questions to characters to decide if they would be eligible:

1) Is the character the “Mainstream” commonly recognized version (MCRV)?
Yes = Allowed
No = Go on to Question 2

2) If not MCRV, is the character significantly different than its MCRV in at least three of these four categories:
a. powers/abilities
b. attitude
c. motivation
d. universe/timeline.

Yes = Allowed
No = Go to Question 3

3) Has the character made substantial appearances establishing the character independent of its MCRV?
(This question basically means, if I say the character’s name would a average person understand who it was?
Example: AoA Nightcrawler = yes Nightcrawler from What if # 98 = no )
Yes = Allowed
No = Not Allowed


Examples using questions:

Superman
1) Yes
2) N/A
3) N/A
Allowed

Kingdom Come Superman
1) No
2) a. No
b. No
c. No
d. Yes
3) Yes
Allowed

Captain America
1) Yes
2) N/A
3) N/A
Allowed

Captain America w/ Mjolnir
1) No
2) a. Yes
b. No
c. No
d. No
3) No
Not Allowed

Ultimate Captain America
1) No
2) a. Yes
b. Yes
c. Yes
d. Yes
3) N/A
Allowed

Of course, there’s still a fair amount of subjectivity in this system. Some might argue as to what “substantial appearances establishing the character” consists of, or how “different” a character’s attitude needs to be. So the final call would still be up to Johnny Blaze or his designee. The owner would be responsible for providing evidence for their character.

There might be more to work out along the way but this would establish some basic guidelines for choosing characters. All other rules would still be in place (2 version rule, Regular/Middle/Uber/Too-Uber, etc.)

[Franklin Richards]

I've already stated my opinion. I'm not going to get in a pissin' contest.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Ahura Mazda]

Well, you can't subsribe to What If's now... Well, vol. 3 is just starting up, you can do that if you want. I personally reccomend vol. 2, most of them. A good percent of them are very, very good. Vol. 1 is kind of meh.

Cosmic Comics? Well, The Silver Surfer vol. 3 and Thanos have been cancelled. I heard the SS was terrible, and the second Thanos arc (#-7-12) was terrible, I've read it. The first arc though, by Starlin, was great. Older Cosmic Comics, well, Silver Surfer vol. 1 for sure. You can get all of that in Essential SS, black and white though, for 5 or 6 bucks. Almost all of SS. vol. 2 is awesome, especially when Lim and Starlin were working together. The end of the series is pretty meh though.


And is any of that stuff available outside of Ebay?

On Cosmic Comics, that is exactly what I meant. i am just finding it difficult as I do not have a comic store (selling US comics in English over here). I am ordering but I would just like to buy complete sets.

I am willing to spend up to $250 to buy full sets. I am not collecting here but trying to obtain more information.

I am subscribed to the Hulk (but to be honest it has been pretty disappointing), Spiderman, and Thor (and I enjoyed the Jurgens run). I bought about 50 Superman comics off of EBAY (but that took me 3 months to recieve plus I ended up paying the same amount for delivery that I did buyiong the comics).

If you have any suggestions as to how to procure these sets outside of Ebay for somebody located in Paris I would appreciate it. But thank you anyway for the input above. I can use all the guidance I can get.

[DBM]

Ahura Mazda,

Though I'm against it for the most part, you might want to look at downloading comics if you can't buy them. There are lots of places online you can do it. I don't know any since I don't do it, but I'm sure someone around here can tell you.

[Ahura Mazda]

I was thinking of that but I was hoping to avoid it. I feel I would be pirating, but if no other solution becomes apparent I may end up doing that. Of course, I will start or have started my research by going through all the threads here.

When I was in London, it was easier but in Paris I did not realise how difficult it would get. Anyways, they say where there is a will there is way. Lets hope (for me) that this holds true :) and I do have a partner - Doc Ock who I am sure will be a value add.

[X]

Milehighcomics.com. Probably the best place to buy comics, peroid.

Make sure to check out the first cosmic powers mini too.

[The Leaguer]

And the leaguear......is ammm?

What's that you say? The Leaguear is an ammm? Damn that guy, I hate ammms! I swear, the next time I see Leaguear I'm gonna kick his ass...

And, just FYI, the Superman with Thor's hammer and Cap's shield is the same one as Earth-1 Superman. JLA/Avengers was in-continuity for DC.

[mikeyh89]

i think i'll just stick to regular not What If characters because im more familiar with them.

also, X, i think it was you, but awhile ago, you gave a link to a thread that had like all marvel characters or something and does anyone know of any other good sites for Marvel and DC characters, mostly DC cuz i know a lot about Marvel, but both would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

[Union Jack]

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/
http://www.marveldirectory.com/
http://www.dccomics.com/


thats a few i know of,you most likely of heard of them though i should expect.
hope it helps a bit though!

[DBM]

i think i'll just stick to regular not What If characters because im more familiar with them.

also, X, i think it was you, but awhile ago, you gave a link to a thread that had like all marvel characters or something and does anyone know of any other good sites for Marvel and DC characters, mostly DC cuz i know a lot about Marvel, but both would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

I'm betting that he gave you the links from my signature.

There are two links their that lead to the resources for character information about Marvel and DC. Check them out.

[Union Jack]

oh,yeah...mine seem kinda piddly to DBM's:(

[DBM]

oh,yeah...mine seem kinda piddly to DBM's:(

Nothing wrong with yours. They're all in my threads.

You shouldn't feel bad, I (along with others) put a lot of work into those threads. I wish I had more time to update them. Maybe sometime soon.

[JewishHobbit]

Milehighcomics.com. Probably the best place to buy comics, peroid.

Make sure to check out the first cosmic powers mini too.

I liked EastCoastComics also, though I haven't ordered from there in a long while. I'm not sure what their out of country policy is. I'll give fair warning though. I've ordered from them probably about 20 to 30 times. Everytime I was happy except this last time I never got my comics and lost 50 bucks. Now they could tell me exactly when the shipped it and all and it really does look like it was just lost in the mail, but it still ticked me off because they wouldn't refund me. But other than that time they've been great and they have good prices.

[Johnny Blaze]

Though I'm not in this, when I was, I was always a proponent of only well established characters. Not necessarily 616 (or the DC equivalent) but ones that are substantially established or have somehow been definitively shown to be significantly different from their mainstream equivalents.

Paring it down to only 616, would eliminate some great characters. Take Exiles Mimic for example, he is probably better established in terms of powers/abilities, attitude, and motivation than his 616 counterpart.

Eliminating all Elseworld/What if?/non-616 characters is probably a bad idea. I would suggest asking these questions to characters to decide if they would be eligible:

1) Is the character the “Mainstream” commonly recognized version (MCRV)?
Yes = Allowed
No = Go on to Question 2

2) If not MCRV, is the character significantly different than its MCRV in at least three of these four categories:
a. powers/abilities
b. attitude
c. motivation
d. universe/timeline.

Yes = Allowed
No = Go to Question 3

3) Has the character made substantial appearances establishing the character independent of its MCRV?
(This question basically means, if I say the character’s name would a average person understand who it was?
Example: AoA Nightcrawler = yes Nightcrawler from What if # 98 = no )
Yes = Allowed
No = Not Allowed


Examples using questions:

Superman
1) Yes
2) N/A
3) N/A
Allowed

Kingdom Come Superman
1) No
2) a. No
b. No
c. No
d. Yes
3) Yes
Allowed

Captain America
1) Yes
2) N/A
3) N/A
Allowed

Captain America w/ Mjolnir
1) No
2) a. Yes
b. No
c. No
d. No
3) No
Not Allowed

Ultimate Captain America
1) No
2) a. Yes
b. Yes
c. Yes
d. Yes
3) N/A
Allowed

Of course, there’s still a fair amount of subjectivity in this system. Some might argue as to what “substantial appearances establishing the character” consists of, or how “different” a character’s attitude needs to be. So the final call would still be up to Johnny Blaze or his designee. The owner would be responsible for providing evidence for their character.

There might be more to work out along the way but this would establish some basic guidelines for choosing characters. All other rules would still be in place (2 version rule, Regular/Middle/Uber/Too-Uber, etc.)That's actually a good little system DBM. I think I shall use it. :up:

Heh, I knew we kept you around for something. :D

[X]

If they're from a different reality, I'd assume they're instantly allowed. Doesen't matter if Captain America from What If #25 is exactly like the 616 version, he's from a different reality, and a perfectly good alternative. Malice isn't allowed because she isn't different enough from normal Sue and she's from the 616... But Malice from another reality...

[The Leaguer]

The problem with that is that it takes away from the individuality of each character. Where's the fun when five teams have Captain America? I think alternate versions should be allowed, but only if the regular version isn't already owned. But thats just my opinion.

[X]

Only two variations of a character allowed, peroid, so you're point's moot.

[The Leaguer]

Okay, fine, two Captain Americas. It still takes away from his individuality, in my opinion.

[X]

Then I guess we're going to have to take away your Silver Surfer. Becuase I personally prefer the more well written, essential Stan Lee Earth-M Silver Surfer. You're just wearing the character down.

[The Leaguer]

Hmm, I expected you to argue something that was relevant...

[X]

What exactly is your point? You feel because a character is from a different reality it waters down the credibility and "uniqueness" of another? There are so many good characters taken, look at what Guyver did
(Silver Surfer Earth M), or me (GL Validus), or Blaze (His version of Mordu? Loki with The Hammer?), Gilrean (Blink). The alternate reality version of Blink that Gilrean uses is a helluva lot more defined then the original. it's all circumstancial and I think you're really failing to see that.

Not everyone wants a villian. But, someone might love Dr. Doom and he might be instrumental to what they plan to do. So they get Doom from another reality who worked with Richards, he's a good guy. Same Doom, same tech, same genius, just give him the good guy mentality. I think it adds another layer completely to the DTL, more flavor, being able to pluck people from here and there, trying to assemble the perfect team. Not to mention the fact that a certain character isn't always available, and a trade isn't in the question, so hey, there you go.

I look at it as being a postive in regards to use who've read a lot of comics. With experience, well, comes the potential for versatility. And I don't horde information, how many What If characters have I reccomended to people?

[The Leaguer]

I think you're totally misunderstanding my argument. I don't mind alternate versions. In fact, I welcome it. What I am against is having more than one version in the DTL at any given time. I believe that is what takes away from the individuality of the character. A good Dr. Doom? Fine, great, bring him on. I just don't think it should be allowed of someone else already has the 616 Doom.

[X]

Rom vs. Turbo.

And for those who don't know who Turbo is, check this out. He's so regular, well, it's blaringly obvious.

http://photobucket.com/albums/v39/bmovie_buff/?action=view&current=RomSpaceknight2109.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/v39/bmovie_buff/?action=view&current=RomSpaceknight2110.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/v39/bmovie_buff/?action=view&current=RomSpaceknight2111.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/v39/bmovie_buff/?action=view&current=RomSpaceknight2112.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/v39/bmovie_buff/?action=view&current=RomSpaceknight2113.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/v39/bmovie_buff/?action=view&current=RomSpaceknight2114.jpg

[The Leaguer]

Rom got blindsided and didn't bother to fight back. He wanted to lose. I wouldn't say thats an accurate measure of Rom's classification. Besides, being able to be beaten by a regular doesn't prove much.

[The Leaguer]

I think with his near-indestructible armor, mad fast flight, centuries of experience and leadership, and a neutralizer that has can do everything from eliminate any kind of energy to wash your dishes and walk your dog, in addition to whatever else I forgot to mention, he is just too powerful to be labled a regular.

[X]

Rom got blindsided and didn't bother to fight back. He wanted to lose. I wouldn't say thats an accurate measure of Rom's classification. Besides, being able to be beaten by a regular doesn't prove much.

Heh, and Turbo was holding back as well. He hit Rom hard, once. And it was said that Turbo's all out punch might of been enough to destroy him. The very fact that Turbo was batting Rom around speaks volumes.

I think with his near-indestructible armor, mad fast flight, centuries of experience and leadership, and a neutralizer that has can do everything from eliminate any kind of energy to wash your dishes and walk your dog, in addition to whatever else I forgot to mention, he is just too powerful to be labled a regular.

Armor that Wolverine can mess up good by slashing at Rom while holding back.

Neatralizer isn't nearly as versatile as you make it sound, or powerful. I've laid down what it can do to Blaze, specifics, and so on, which is enough. You can go out and read some Rom comics yourself.

Absolute fastest he can fly is 3000 MPH. Mad fast alright.

[X]

Rom got blindsided and didn't bother to fight back. He wanted to lose. I wouldn't say thats an accurate measure of Rom's classification. Besides, being able to be beaten by a regular doesn't prove much.

A regular with the power to fly around, create vaccums of air, and punch hard. Wooooo Hoo.

You seemed quite sure that your regular. Flow, could defeat Rom, no? For all Rom's vaunted greatness he loses to Flow, and can be beaten by any number of other regulars. Yet, he can still take out ubers, true, everything is circumstancial.

[The Leaguer]

3000 mph seems pretty damn fast to me. And Wolverine was able to damage Rom's armor while he was holding back, you said it yourself. I don't think that really applies here because, the point of this isn't to hold back, its to win. As for the Flow thing, I never said I was sure, I just said it was a possibility. But as long as we're talking about what we've said, you've mentioned Rom being able to beat people like Superman and the Hulk, thanks to his neutralizer.

[X]

Heh, I've never said that. The Neatralizer neatralizes energy, not insane amounts of it at once. If it was to hit The Hulk or Superman, because they run off of a specific power source, they'd be weakened. The energy would bleed away, be neatralized. They woulden't be weakened by 50%, not even 25%.

Wolverine was holding back, not Rom. He was barely slashing at Rom and it was hurting Rom quite a bit. So there's goes your claims of near indestructable armor.

3000 MPH really isn't too much compared to other people in this thing. It's not like he has the reflexes of Quicksilver to go along with it.

[The Leaguer]

If he were that fast alone, it wouldn't be enough to bump up his class, but combined with all his other abilities, he just seems too powerful to be regular. Didn't you say Rom once flew through a star? I'd say his armor is pretty damn tough if it can take that. And Wolverine piercing it isn't too impressive. Sort of like how you mentioned Spider-man can take punches from the Thing, but a bullet still pierces him.

[X]

He's flown near stars. And the only reason he can do it is because his armor's designed to. He's got things to keep the temp of his armor regulated, and so on. Luke Cage hitting him a few times still damaged his rocket pack bad enough to cause it to explode when he tried to take off.

I really don't see your point with the whole Wolverine/Spidey thing. You say "He was holding back" after you had misenterpreted me and then you say it isn't impressive? And I've seen The Thing flick Wolverine, literally, and knock him out. Other time, he's taken several hits from The Hulk, or The Abomination. Then The Juggernaut back hand ***** slaps him and he's done for.

[The Leaguer]

This is straying from the point: Rom is just too powerful to be considered regular.

[DonnieQuinn]

:o.

[The Leaguer]

Huh?

[AnnoyingSilence]

Why are you so adimently against anything besides the normal 616? You know, Marvel and DC is allowed, and that means other realities within both realms. I mean, you're a comic fan, no? I'd think you've read a few What If's or Elsewords in your life, it isn't going to kill you to think outside the box.well, lets go by his opinion sense it seems like his is the only one that mater

well sense all dc an marvel are allowed i want spider hulk, an no whinin x you brought this on, o yes you did.

o an this will make all the cartoons applyable also sense marvel an dc do make comics after the cartoons.... yes i can see it now

powerpuff girls vs. x-men evelutions... but wait a minute, i thought those were unobtainable. going by x's opinion its all under the same catagory

[DBM]

That's actually a good little system DBM. I think I shall use it. :up:

Heh, I knew we kept you around for something. :D

Glad I could help. Sometimes overanalyzing comic books comes in handy.

:D

Just ask if you need anything else.

[Ahura Mazda]

Thanks X for mile high comics. It is a great internet store. Now I just have to hope I get everything. I only wish you could buy block sets instead of having to put 1 for every single comic.

[The Leaguer]

well, lets go by his opinion sense it seems like his is the only one that mater

well sense all dc an marvel are allowed i want spider hulk, an no whinin x you brought this on, o yes you did.

o an this will make all the cartoons applyable also sense marvel an dc do make comics after the cartoons.... yes i can see it now

powerpuff girls vs. x-men evelutions... but wait a minute, i thought those were unobtainable. going by x's opinion its all under the same catagory

They have to have had their start in comics.

[AnnoyingSilence]

no no no, x said it an hes in charge. EVERYTHING THAT IS MARVEL AND DC COMICS IS AVAILABLE

[the defenders]

no no no, x said it an hes in charge. EVERYTHING THAT IS MARVEL AND DC COMICS IS AVAILABLE

First of all, he can just throw your ass out of you keep trying to p*** him.

X and JB, just throw this clown out of the DTL.

[X]

well, lets go by his opinion sense it seems like his is the only one that mater

well sense all dc an marvel are allowed i want spider hulk, an no whinin x you brought this on, o yes you did.

o an this will make all the cartoons applyable also sense marvel an dc do make comics after the cartoons.... yes i can see it now

powerpuff girls vs. x-men evelutions... but wait a minute, i thought those were unobtainable. going by x's opinion its all under the same catagory

If you want to try and get a Powerpuff girl, more power to you. It technically is DC, Scooby Doo would be good for you too I suppose.

I also really don't care about Spider-Hulk. You can't use him anyway, not a big enough change. Just Parker with the Hulk's Gamma Radiation.

[Johnny Blaze]

no no no, x said it an hes in charge. EVERYTHING THAT IS MARVEL AND DC COMICS IS AVAILABLENo, X is not in charge. I am. And the Leaguer is right. The character has to have gotten his/her start in comics.

[the defenders]

No, X is not in charge. I am. And the Leaguer is right. The character has to have gotten his/her start in comics.

Hey what ever happened to Thanos? Didn't he start the first one?

[X]

Yeah, don't even think about giving me credit. I'm Blazes *****, at best. :up:

[the defenders]

Yeah, don't even think about giving me credit. I'm Blazes *****, at best. :up:

I seriously thought you co-ran this with Blaze until he said you didn't a few posts back.

[The Leaguer]

X is like the assistant commissioner.

[JewishHobbit]

Nah, X is just loud. He wasn't even amongst the original people to join the DTL. (Or I could be completely wrong, one of the two)

[The Leaguer]

I'm pretty sure he's JB's lieutenant.

[the defenders]

Does anyone remember the original one with Thanos running it?

That was the best...although simplistic.

[The Leaguer]

I wasn't around back then, so 'fraid not.

[wiegeabo]

I'm pretty sure he's JB's lieutenant.


So don't tick JB or X off, or X will break your legs :p :joker:

[JewishHobbit]

then why's AS still walkin

[Johnny Blaze]

I'm pretty sure he's JB's lieutenant.I wouldn't really say that, but he does help out alot. :up:
I don't really prize anyone's opinion more than the others; I value everyone's opinions equally.

And I remember Thanos' original tournaments. Those were awesome. It's what gave me the idea to try and take the tournament idea and make it into a league. If it weren't for Thanos there wouldn't be a DTL. :up:
Still can't believe my team of Parallax, Silver Surfer, Xavier, Superman, and Adam Warlock lost in the first tourny. :o

[Roughneck]

It's not the team it's the coach


*runs away and cowers under the table until fogivness is issued*

Damn now I am gonna get stuck with Squirrel girl on my team.

[Johnny Blaze]

Yes, yes you are. :D :mad:

And back then there was no owners pleading cases. It was just straight up fan voting via poles. And I lost in the finals to a good team of Thanos, Darkseid, Lobo, Deathstroke, and...I can't remember the last one, but it was a close match. Thanos got me by a vote. :up:

[Roughneck]

Parallax, Silver Surfer, Xavier, Superman, and Adam Warlock

vs

Thanos, Darkseid, Lobo, Deathstroke, and...I can't remember the last one

Holy crap I would live to see that fight.

[Roughneck]

BTW how is the newbie draft coming along?

[AnnoyingSilence]

No, X is not in charge. I am. And the Leaguer is right. The character has to have gotten his/her start in comics.i don't care how it goes:rolleyes:, like aunty said, all of hti stuff was off limits until >BOOM< all the sudden with no warning it legal!!! yet another example of decisions made an i'm not the only one that doesn't know...

Yeah, don't even think about giving me credit. I'm Blazes *****, at best. lol

[AnnoyingSilence]

then why's AS still walkinyea, i piss'm both off an i'm still standin

[The Leaguer]

i don't care how it goes:rolleyes:, like aunty said, all of hti stuff was off limits until >BOOM< all the sudden with no warning it legal!!! yet another example of decisions made an i'm not the only one that doesn't know...

What is hti?

[Roughneck]

Very Annoying remarkably no Silence just needs to Calm down and not attack. If he didn't attack you guys you wouldn't find it fun. And everyone else. Really, grow up and have fun with the game.

[Union Jack]

do we know when we get to see our full team line ups....there is 5 more folk added to the team yes?
are we still having just five people in the actual battle though..cos any more would make it more complicated.
have we the full line up now?...i.e-is everyone on board now?
it'll be interesting to see everyones new line ups!!

[Roughneck]

I'd be interested in seeing my lineup.

[JewishHobbit]

I think we are close but yet so far :)

We were just waiting for everyone to turn in their draft lists so the draft can start, but then we lost an owner so now we're waiting for the lists to be turned in and to fill the open spot.

[X]

I wouldn't really say that, but he does help out alot. :up:

No offense, but I'd really love to see how many behind the scenes times I've talked to you and thought up and gotten things implamented into the DTL. Major things.

I'd love to tally up how much time I've spent hosting dozens, maybe hundreds of bio pages, helping everyone out.

I'd love to see how much advice I've given, how many people I've helped through PM's.

People I've gotten into this thing? Leaguer and Guyver just to name two, and I spent hours on end talking to Guyver about it. Half his original team were people I reccomended.

How many times I've helped you personally. Forgive me if I'm wrong but I'm the guy who's always asked questions on Messenger.

I think I deserve just a wee bit more credit, then "everyone else". The authority you have in the DTL isn't exactly an end all thing, giving credit where it's due won't kill the illusion.

[X]

Oh, and Hobbit, I have been here the entire time, since week 1. I missed about two weeks of bickering over how things were going to work, thanks.

[JewishHobbit]

Actually I meant previous to week 1 during the months of getting this thing thrown together and laying out the rules and such. Of the original 8 or so. But none of that really matters to tell you the truth.

[Johnny Blaze]

No offense, but I'd really love to see how many behind the scenes times I've talked to you and thought up and gotten things implamented into the DTL. Major things.

I'd love to tally up how much time I've spent hosting dozens, maybe hundreds of bio pages, helping everyone out.

I'd love to see how much advice I've given, how many people I've helped through PM's.

People I've gotten into this thing? Leaguer and Guyver just to name two, and I spent hours on end talking to Guyver about it. Half his original team were people I reccomended.

How many times I've helped you personally. Forgive me if I'm wrong but I'm the guy who's always asked questions on Messenger.

I think I deserve just a wee bit more credit, then "everyone else". The authority you have in the DTL isn't exactly an end all thing, giving credit where it's due won't kill the illusion.I think you just totally misunderstood me.
You help me out more than anyone else does, what with coming up with ideas, helping people with characters, etc, and I'm very appreciative of that. :) :up:

But I still don't value one person's opinion over another's (assuming the opinion(s) in question make sense). I want everyone to have a say in majority of stuff that goes on around here from now on, and to hold one person's opinion higher than the other would not be fair.

[X]

Sorry, I did misunderstand you.

Thanks for the kind words, and not getting uppity like I did. I've worked about 12 hours straight as of right now, so I'm a bit...grumpy. :( :o

[Johnny Blaze]

Understandable. Misunderstandings do happen from time to time, especially in the DTL. :D

[Thanos]

I wouldn't really say that, but he does help out alot. :up:
I don't really prize anyone's opinion more than the others; I value everyone's opinions equally.

And I remember Thanos' original tournaments. Those were awesome. It's what gave me the idea to try and take the tournament idea and make it into a league. If it weren't for Thanos there wouldn't be a DTL. :up:
Still can't believe my team of Parallax, Silver Surfer, Xavier, Superman, and Adam Warlock lost in the first tourny. :o

The good old days, eh guys?

I would like to give Johnny B his props for taking the League to the great heights it has ascended to... (clap, clap).

Keep up the good work, Johnny B.
- Thanos

[X]

You ever going to join us again, Thanos?

[The Leaguer]

We still have a spot open, don't we?

[JewishHobbit]

Yeah come on Thanos, join.... or we'll let AS talk to you for a solid hour :)

[Roughneck]

Hee hee hee. C'mon Thanny whatever gets it up and running quicker.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Very Annoying remarkably no Silence just needs to Calm down and not attack. If he didn't attack you guys you wouldn't find it fun. And everyone else. Really, grow up and have fun with the game.the thing is that i'm not trying to attack anyone(ok, maybe x, sometimes) at all. o, it is silent do to the fact that you can't hear my voice aloud, so

1. i'm annoying
and
2. no words are actually spoken

so that would make me AnnoyingSilence(one s away from the ********* that they wanna say very aloud)

hti is this spelled in a hurry

[The Leaguer]

1. i'm annoying
and
2. no words are actually spoken

Can't argue with that.

[Roughneck]

Jus let it go AS. Let it go.

[The Leaguer]

hti is this spelled i a hurry

I spend about 30 seconds to a minute on my average post, and it is usually grammatically perfect. No mispelled words, no missing letters, appropriate capitalization and no unneeded abbreviations. The result is a completely legible post. Maybe you could give it a try? It really wouldn't take that much longer.

[AnnoyingSilence]

I spend about 30 seconds to a minute on my average post, and it is usually grammatically perfect. No mispelled words, no missing letters, appropriate capitalization and no unneeded abbreviations. The result is a completely legible post. Maybe you could give it a try? It really wouldn't take that much longer.see now thats something i can actually say "ok" to. that is the 1st time anyone has tried to say "check your grammar" in a way thats non-aggressive, but when i get on the computer i'm half asleep(kuz i get home from work at 2am) and my brother and i get on cod(call of duty) after we get home from work(we work at the same factory). when i get done with the game its about 3:30 - 4am and i'm alittle more tired. then on top o(an i do mean o) that i'm an insomniac. sense you were polite about it then i will put just alittle more effort into making corrections

[AnnoyingSilence]

Jus let it go AS. Let it go.
what am i letting go?

[AnnoyingSilence]

Yeah come on Thanos, join.... or we'll let AS talk to you for a solid hour :):daredevil:{horns growing} :daredevil:
whats that suppose to mean?:hyper:

so i heard thanos can't handle the dtl, hobb says he was one of the originals...
that does kinda some up how long some people stay in tho(especially around draft time).

heres a pic of X begging you to join us...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/please.jpg

awww, x is blushing
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/x.jpg

[Roughneck]

sense you were polite about it then i will put just alittle more effort into making corrections


Ha Ha Ha. Don't you mean Since? Hee Hee

Sorry I just saw that as something funny.

Plus you should have capitolized your i. But I am really not one to judge spelling, Grammer of Capitalization at all.

[JewishHobbit]

a pic of X begging you to join us...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/please.jpg


Heh, I found that kinda funny :daredevil

[Johnny Blaze]

The good old days, eh guys?

I would like to give Johnny B his props for taking the League to the great heights it has ascended to... (clap, clap).

Keep up the good work, Johnny B.
- ThanosYep, those where the good old days. Back when the only rule was no cosmic/astral deities. :D
And who was that 5th member of your team in the first tourny? :confused:

And I appreciate the props, but I can't rightly say the DTL has gotten big because of me and me alone. For starters if it weren't for you, non of this would be happening right now. And then every single owner deserves credit for making the DTL what it is. If it weren't for you guys the League would've fallen flat on it's face a long time ago and I thank you all for your support. :) :up:

[JewishHobbit]

I'm trying to think of a witty comment but none spring to mind, so I'll be serious for a moment. I give props to you good sir. It's a lot of work to run this thing as well as partiscipate in it. Lately I've been thinking about how fair and unbiased you have been and it's very honorable. I remember asking your advice a while ago because I wanted to start one of these things over in the X-World forums, but after a season I know that I am not one to run one of these things and make it successful, it's too much work. And so, though I know it is a group effert, I would like to say good job, and take a bow.

[Union Jack]

just out of interest i wonder how weigeabo's dtl website is progressing..it looked real nice last time i saw!!

[AnnoyingSilence]

Ha Ha Ha. Don't you mean Since? Hee Hee

Sorry I just saw that as something funny.

Plus you should have capitolized your i. But I am really not one to judge spelling, Grammer of Capitalization at all.lol, its all good... i'm not worried about being perfect, just good enough to read(failed english)

[AnnoyingSilence]

then every single owner deserves credit for making the DTL what it is.even me???
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/boohoo.jpg

o and a
1. the new link on my sig is to the big equation for character acceptance
2. i have a section just for stupid pics

[The Leaguer]

:daredevil:{horns growing} :daredevil:
whats that suppose to mean?:hyper:

so i heard thanos can't handle the dtl, hobb says he was one of the originals...
that does kinda some up how long some people stay in tho(especially around draft time).

heres a pic of X begging you to join us...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/please.jpg

awww, x is blushing
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/x.jpg

Hilarious!

[DonnieQuinn]

http://www.peacheschrist.com/mmass/goons/sloth.jpg

Baby Ruth

[wiegeabo]

just out of interest i wonder how weigeabo's dtl website is progressing..it looked real nice last time i saw!!

Unfortunately, since the semester started, I haven't had time to do any work on it. But, vacation starts in a couple of weeks, and I'll finally get to do some work again. First order of business: adding the new owners and divisions.

[X]

Wiegeabo, do you think the site will be operative by the time or soon after we start the DTL?

[Elijya]

ok, ok, ok. I'm in, I'm here, what do I do?

[the defenders]

ok, ok, ok. I'm in, I'm here, what do I do?

Good man. You need to send a list of 40 characters that arent taken by other teams to Johnny Blaze. Or ask JB or X for help.

[Elijya]

where can I see what members other teams have?

[The Leaguer]

Right here. (http://superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125148)

[JewishHobbit]

Here's the list of characters that the current owners are making avaliable for all you newbies for the Expansion Draft:

Mirror Master (Evan McCulloch) (DR)
X-Cutioner (Carl Denti) (MM)
Spider-X (MU)
Black Knight (Dane Whitman) (MR)
Asmodel (DU)
Flow (DR)
Valkyrie (MR) (F)
The Magus (MU)
Leech (MR)
Kid Quantum II (DR) (F)
Starfire (DR) (F)
Sabretooth (MR)
Batman (DR)
Lobo (DU)
Abyss (Age of Apocalypse) (MR)
Booster Gold (DR)
Penance (MR) (F)
Multiple Man (MR)
Android Human Torch (MR)
Atomic Knight (DR)
Lex Luthor (DR)
Brainiac 5 (DR)
Superman (DU)
Meggan (MR) (F)
Her (MU) (F)
Spark (DR) (F)
Hawkwoman I (DR) (F)
Cyclops (MR)
Omega Red (MR)
Zero (MR)
Emma Frost (MM) (F)
Starfox (DR)

You may add any of these characters to your draft list if you like. :up:

Also, here's peopel that are owned that you may still put on you list. We all had to put two of our members on the line for the draft. So you are able to try and draft any of these as you like.

[Elijya]

damn you, movies, I was so counting on the invisible woman. Totally underrated, she is

[X]

Get a alternate reality version of her. Like, Sue from The What If The Invisible Girl had died reality.

[Elijya]

what about Johnny storm with sue's powers as a herald of galactus?

[AnnoyingSilence]

I think you just totally misunderstood me.
You help me out more than anyone else does, what with coming up with ideas, helping people with characters, etc, and I'm very appreciative of that. :) :up:

But I still don't value one person's opinion over another's (assuming the opinion(s) in question make sense). I want everyone to have a say in majority of stuff that goes on around here from now on, and to hold one person's opinion higher than the other would not be fair.
<appluase>

[AnnoyingSilence]

what about Johnny storm with sue's powers as a herald of galactus?no possible, just like when the white queen took over icemans body... shes really the one in charge(an did alot more with his powers) but still she has been taken

[The Leaguer]

What?

[AnnoyingSilence]

during a fight with fitzroy white queen was "killed", well jean grey was surrounded by sentinels an had to survive some how. she took over the queens' body an left queen in coma after jean got her body back.

while taking in sabretooth for "rehab" the alien tech shorted out an iceman was protecting her. some how she took control of icemans body an made her way to her house to check in on the hellions(who were dead). on the way she took icemans powers an used'm like he never had before.

i asked jb(pming) if i could have that version of iceman sense it wasn't him, it was pretty much white queen with his powers... he said no

[The Leaguer]

I haven't read the Johnny-with-Sue's-powers story, but I don't think thats the same thing as what he wanted.

[AnnoyingSilence]

i have, an its pretty much the same

johny with invisible powers

white queen with icemans body

[JewishHobbit]

I don't see why not. Just take it as the second version of Johnny Storm. I'd say it's differant enough. He has sues powers and none of his. It's still Johnny but completely differant. The only drawback I see is that he has a lot less experience in using them, or at least I assume as I haven't read the issues.

[Johnny Blaze]

what about Johnny storm with sue's powers as a herald of galactus?
Johnny with Sue's powers and the Power Cosmic would be an Uber. :up:

And it's good to have you on board Elijya. :D

[Elijya]

I don't see why not. Just take it as the second version of Johnny Storm. I'd say it's differant enough. He has sues powers and none of his. It's still Johnny but completely differant. The only drawback I see is that he has a lot less experience in using them, or at least I assume as I haven't read the issues.
ah, but despite he's lack of experience with these particular powers (he still has plenty of experience as a hero in general), any instance of sue using them could still be quoted since they're the same powers only amped up

anyway, if this is allowed, I'll take him

(does anybody even have the real human torch on their team?)

[AnnoyingSilence]

The Yancy Street Gang (Owner: Aunt Petunia)
Dr. Doom (MU)
Brainiac 5 (DR)
Mr. Fantastic (MR)
Human Torch (MR)
Supergirl (Kara Zor-El) (DU) (F)
Lex Luthor (DR)
Saturn Girl (DU) (F)

she loves ff

[JewishHobbit]

So is Elijya taking over Max Glutt. or taking an open spot (I've lost track of what we need to fill)

[Johnny Blaze]

That's a good question.
Elijya, do you want to take over Corp's team, Maximum GLuttony, or do you wish to start from scratch and build your team from the ground up?

Here's Corpulent1's team btw:

Maximum Gluttony
Dr. Fate (Hector Hall) (DU)
Black Knight (MR)
Sersi (MU) (F)
Zauriel (DR)
Spider-X (MU)
Vision (Exiles) (MM)
Aquaman (DM)

[Elijya]

taking one over sounds a good idea so I have some guys to work with

(plus, I'd love to have Dr. Fate :D )

[Elijya]

I shall rechristen them....



THE MONDO FUNKIES!

[Johnny Blaze]

Ok, then his team is now yours. :D

Now all we need to do is find one more person to take that final spot...

[Elijya]

um, someone wanna tell me who Zauriel and Spider-X are?

[Johnny Blaze]

Here's Spider-X info.

Real Name: Brian Kornfield
Identity/Class: Human mutated via black magic (Darkhold)
Occupation: Vigilante; previous occupation unrevealed
Affiliations: Enemies: Midnight Sons/Darkhold Redeemers/Nightstalkers (Blade, John Blaze, Frank Drake, Ghost Rider/Ketch, Jinx, Hannibal King, Victoria Montesi, Morbius), Paralyzer, Spider-Man I, Zzzax
Allies: Chthon, Dwarf, and Other (used him as pawn); formerly idolized Spider-Man
Known Relatives: Mrs. Kornfield (mother), father (deceased)
Aliases: Spider-Man to the Xth Power

Base of Operations: Manhattan, New York City. raised @ Broadway street
Appearances: Midnight Sons Unlimited#3 (October, 1993); (MSU#3(fb), 3
Powers: Spider X could tap on mystical power to achieve virtually limitless physical power, all of which were variations or amplifications of the powers of the original Spider-Man. He possesses Class 100 strength, along with a high degree of resistance to injury, including to mystical assaults. He recovered from most attacks in seconds. He could climb walls and adhere to virtually any surface. He could form durable, adhesive webs which exuded a powerful acid.. He possesses 4 extra spider-like limbs, 2 of which grew from his upper back and two from his waist. He had razor sharp fangs and could project bursts of destructive energy from his mouth.
History: Brian Kornfield grew up off Broadway in New York, raised by his mother, his father having been killed at an unknown time period. He had a very active imagination and idolized all super-heroes, even writing letters to as many of them as he could. His mother was brutally assaulted and mugged on the Streets on New York. Brian became obsessed with becoming a superhero, so he could find and take down her mugger.
Brian was met by the Dwarf, an agent of the demon Chthon, who offered him the power to be like his idol Spider-Man, via a page of the magical tome, the Darkhold. Brian accepted the offer and was transformed into Spider-X. His obsessive desire for vengeance was twisted even further by the black magic of the Darkhold, and Brian saw himself as the ultimate arbitrator of justice, willing to mete out punishment that no one else would.
Spider-X first brutally slew the mugger who had attacked his mother. He then captured and planned to slay some other criminals, which brought him into conflict with the Ghost Rider and John Blaze when they crashed into a web Spider-X had spun across entire street. Their conflict ended inconclusively when Spider-X fled from the Ghost Rider's penance stare. His eight eyes may have somehow diluted the stare's force, allowing him to break its hold.
Another group of occult investigators/warriors, the Nightstalkers, came to New York and investigated a previous letter from Kornfield, which claimed there was an occult basis to the rise in crime in New York City. Spider-X attacked the three when they questioned his mother. His struggles escalated, bringing in some of the Darkhold Redeemers, summoned by the energy released by the use of a Darkhold page, as well as Morbius, and even Spider-Man himself.
Still seeking to punish criminals, Spider-X continued to fight off the occult warriors, and traveled to the 14th Street power station, where the mutant criminal Paralyzer was using the electrical energy to recreate the electrical monster Zzzax. Spider-X attacked Zzzax, and the group of heroes fighting him poured their own powers into the conflict, which caused an energy overload, apparently killing both Spider-X and dissipating Zzzax.


As for Zauriel, he's an angel and was once a member of the JLA. The Leaguer will be able to give you all the details on him. :D :up:

[The Leaguer]

Info on Zauriel incoming...

[Elijya]

so can you interchange memebers that nobody has whenever you want?

[X]

Yes. Except for right now though. :D

[Elijya]

need to make a draft list, do I?

where do I put it and how long can it be?

[X]

Make up a list with at least 20 characters in it. We're all getting three new characters, one uber and two regulars, doesen't matter what they are (Marvel/DC). Send it to Blaze when you're done.

[Elijya]

ok, so, some questions

obviously certain characters are not allowed. Living Tribunal, celestials, etc

what exactly is the criteria for this? No celestial beings is undertsood, but couldn't Silver Surfer be considered one as well? no "Gods" but Thor is allowed. what about Thor with the Odin Power?

oh, and are characters from any universe allowed?

[X]

Any reality within the confines of Marvel and DC. Meaning, you could use members of The Authority, What If characters, Elseworlds, yadda yadda yadda.

Being a "cosmic being" really has nothing to do with it, we have plenty of them. There would be a too uber Earth Born being, and there are. It just power, really. King Thor isn't allowed. Xavier Juggy isn't allowed, even though he probably should be. The Keeper isn't allowed, and so on. Any Elder of The Universe, The Surfer, Betta Ray Bill, The Gladiator, and so on are all allowed.

[Elijya]

what about Dark Horse and other Image Universe characters?

[X]

Nope, to both.

[Elijya]

damn

but what about different Vertigo books? if the Wildstorm universe is being used, they're fair game too, right?

[The Leaguer]

Zauriel's Bio:

Zauriel was a guardian angel of the Eagle host of angels of Heaven (there are four hosts: Bull, Eagle, Human and Lion). Alive since the dawn of time, he has served as guardian angel to many famous women in history, including Joan of Arc and Cleopatra, until, one day (about a year or two ago, DC continuity-wise) he falls in love with the woman he is charged with protecting. At the same time, he stumbles across information that Asmodel (the King of the Bull host of angels and a general of Heaven's armies) is planning on succeeding where Satan failed in overthrowing God. Consequently, he requests to be stripped of his immortality, given mortal flesh and to be sent to earth, both to be near his love and to get away from Asmodel. His wish is granted, resulting in two confrontations with Asmodel and his Bull army on earth, which result in his membership with the JLA and his granting of a suit of divine armor, granted him by Heaven. Charged by Heaven to serve as Heaven's represtentative on earth, Zauriel remained a mainstay on the JLA until Morrison left the title, which led to Zauriel fading into obscurity.

Zauriel's Powers and Abilities:

Zauriel's main power stems from his gear, consisting of a suit of divine armor and his fiery sword (I forget the name of it). The armor considerably boosts his strength, durability and agility, putting it relatively close to Aquaman's level, I'd say. His fiery sword is extremely powerful, able to emit blasts of Heavenly fire. Its raw power is limited only by his will (sort of like a Green Lantern's ring) and it is capable of cutting even those whom are intangible (i.e. Martian Manhunter or the Vision). It is also capable of inflicting non-physical damage, as he was able to tear between dimensions with it once, but only with considerable magical support. Zauriel's wings allow him both to hover and to fly at extreme speeds, which I believe are near mach-one. His agility at mid-air combat is surely considerable, as he has had eternity to perfect his art. Zauriel's most powerful attack is his sonic scream, which is capable of liquifying an average human being. The drawback to it is that he can only use it sparingly, as it does quite a number on his vocal cords. Zauriel has something called an angelic over-mind, somewhat similar to Marvel's cosmic awareness. Although it hasn't been truly defined, this trait allows him to sense good and evil energy signatures and the ability to speak with animals. Other powers Zauriel has include the ability to breathe underwater and the ability to separate bodies of water, much like Moses parted the Red Sea. He also had extraordinarily good senses, including enhanced eye-sight and hearing. As far as actual combat skills go, he's certainly extremely well trained, as he has been a guardian angel for eternity. Also, he has naturally had inmeasurable experience. Personality-wise, he is light-hearted and has a sense of humor, although can be deathly serious when he needs to be. By no means stupid, he thinks on his feet and is quick to react. Being an angel, he values life above all else, and will do what he can to preserve it.

Overall, I'd say Zauriel is a damn good character. Plenty of strengths, very few drawbacks. I highly recommend him. If you decide to keep him, I'll be glad to help you out with him and give you tips and ideas. If you decide not to, I'll be happy to take him off your hands. As far as his ranking goes, I am inclined to put him at middleweight, but I know X believes him to be a regular. Whatever JB puts him at, he's worth it.

[X]

Yup. Swamp Thing was being used in the DTL breifly, I've got Animal Man, John Constantine would be great in the DTL. :D

[Thanos]

Thanks for the offer Johnny B, but I'll have to pass. I haven't the time nor the passion to fully commit to playing this time around. Perhaps the next round.

I don't recall who I had in the first Dream Team Tournament...
Did we have to have a female in the first one?

I recall a team like this:
Thanos
Darkseid
Lobo
Deathstroke
Gamora

I'm not sure if that was the first one or not.

-Thanos

[AnnoyingSilence]

<sneeze>

[Elijya]

is Iron Man considered an Uber?

[Johnny Blaze]

Yes, IM is an Uber.
Yes, Vertigo and Wildstorm characters are allowed.

Thanos: I don't think the female rule came into play until the second tourny, but Gamora does sound right as the fifth character of Death's Disciples. :D

[DBM]

Yes, IM is an Uber.
Yes, Vertigo and Wildstorm characters are allowed.


Don't forget Malibu on the Marvel side. :D

[Elijya]

I don't see how IM is an uber, it's not like he can stand against guys like Thor and Silver Surfer and Thanos and Darkseid and Superman. I'd call him a very strong medium

[X]

I don't see how IM is an uber, it's not like he can stand against guys like Thor and Silver Surfer and Thanos and Darkseid and Superman. I'd call him a very strong medium

Iron Man has beaten The Silver Surfer before. And The Hulk. And he once, way way back when, gave Thor a decent go. And, he was being mind controlled and fighting like an idiot then. Plus, you can use all of his armors. His Asgardian Armor, his Stealth Armor, Hulkbuster, Underwater, yadda yadda yadda.

[DonnieQuinn]

Captain AMericas beaten him.

[X]

Cap's also hung with The Savage and Mindless Hulk, beaten Mr. Hyde, come up against The Executioner, and killed a cosmic cube wielding Red Skull. He also went against another cosmic cube wielding guy, who's name eludes me at the moment.

When did Cap beat him anyhow?

[DonnieQuinn]

Cant'remeber where.

[DonnieQuinn]

Someone like the hulk could rip his metal off.

[X]

Cant'remeber where.

Wow, that's just great. Do you even know how it happened? Excuse me if I doubt you a bit.

Iron Man has taken multiple hits from The Hulk before, in his normal armor. You did hear me say Asgardian and Hulkbuster Armor earlier, right?

[DonnieQuinn]

:o like I could remember a fight from an old comic I saw ages ago. Look it up.

[DonnieQuinn]

Why cant the hulk beat the hulkbuster suit outfit.

[X]

:o like I could remember a fight from an old comic I saw ages ago. Look it up.

Ah, so you actually read it. Yet you can't recall anything about it eh?

I shoulden't have to look it up. And, unfortunatley it isn't that easy. I can't google.com Captain America Iron Man fight and get instnat results.

I never said The Hulk coulden't beat that armor.

[Tropico]

Iron Man has beaten The Silver Surfer before. And The Hulk. And he once, way way back when, gave Thor a decent go. And, he was being mind controlled and fighting like an idiot then. Plus, you can use all of his armors. His Asgardian Armor, his Stealth Armor, Hulkbuster, Underwater, yadda yadda yadda.

Isn't his strength level alone enough to put him in the Uber range? I think I've even read that he can temporarily boost it to Class 100 but it messes up his armor?

[X]

Yup. He knocked a pissed off Hulk out cold with one punch before.

[X]

You know, Iron Man also has PSI shields. I hate how people think he's a guy with a shiny suit of armor who can shoot repulsor blasts. He's so damned versatile it isn't even funny.

[Union Jack]

cool,i never realsed I.M could get so powerful.here a question then,whose armour would be most powerful dooms or I.M,this is just out of interest not looking for a huge debate.
i personally would have thought it'd be I.M's cos he constantly upgrading it...but i don't really know.

[X]

Well, Doom has shields that can stand attacks from Skyfather level beings, for a short time anyhow. He's got a number of other things packed in there as well. But, overall, I'd say Iron Man's armor is better, he depends on it more. Not to mention Doom did a lot worse against The Hulk one on one then Iron Man ever has. Doom ended up with his armor crushed around him, Iron Man has always done much better.

[Union Jack]

yeah,i did think that starks armour was better...though dooms looks great and menacing though.

[X]

I think it's more for show then anything. When Doom became good in one reality, he still had the armor. Except parts of it were gold and his face was showing. He's Doom, even when he's good he's got a big ego.

[Union Jack]

thats what makes him possibly one of the greatest bad guys/characters in all of comic-dom.
dooms great!!

[Elijya]

Cap beat Iron Man in Captain America Sentinel of Liberty #6

and you have cap classified as normal, don't you?

[X]

Yes...

How exactly did he beat Iron Man?

[JewishHobbit]

I never saw why IM was an Uber. But then I've always looked at him as a guy in shiney armor that can shoot blasts from his hands. ;)

[DonnieQuinn]

Ye ****in right. I knew it.

:wolverine Wolverine is a legend

[X]

What in the hell are you talking about?

[JewishHobbit]

I was wondering the same thing

[Roughneck]

But Iron Man is still human. That's how Taskmaster beat him by shooting a security guard with two non fatal shots. IM had to get him medical attention and that gave TM time to escape. So as powerful as he can be he is still only human.

[X]

You know, a human once pretty much beat The Spectre that way too. Unfortunatley, you don't have people to take as hostages in the DTL. There were a hundred ways Iron Man could of taken The Taskmaster out then anyhow, it's called CIS, character induced stupidity. It has to be done sometimes to make a story good.

[Roughneck]

MOst definately, but Iron Man does sleep, and he doesn;t do it in his armor. Superman is always super stong. Iron man is not.

[The Leaguer]

It'd be interesting to use Tony Stark in a write-up without his armor.

[AnnoyingSilence]

right now all i'm reading is IM stuff, i see no reason y he should be uber or even medium. an if he can boost his energy that high then how long does it last? does he have to have a certain suit? what suits does he possess? how many can he bring to each match?

these are all factors in his uberness

[AnnoyingSilence]

Wow, that's just great. Do you even know how it happened? Excuse me if I doubt you a bit.

Iron Man has taken multiple hits from The Hulk before, in his normal armor. You did hear me say Asgardian and Hulkbuster Armor earlier, right?quit bein a butthole, an if the answer is the team ups16 or 15, then i just had a good guess

[Tropico]

Checking out Marvel.com you'll see that Iron Man get a rating of 6 of 7 in Strength, Durability and Energy Projection (Intelligence too). He can lift 70 tons in standard operating mode. And this is just the standard armor. :o