Meat Is Murder!

[the defenders]

.....

[Morg]

Cute *munches on meatloaf sandwich*

[Dark Carnage]

I'm upset by the brutallity of the way animals are killed, but killed for no reason?

What are they f**king stupid? They are killed for food.

You know, the way predators survive.

[the defenders]

Well, you can take your triple bypass and shove it up your ass when your old because the anti-carnivourous safeguard nature, god, gods, put on meat. It's not funny or okay! People just don't see it.

[Honey Vibe]

If you've ever seen an animal be slaughtered, ...how should I put this... it's a really God-awful experience.

So, yeah, I'll give animal activists that much credit...

[Honey Vibe]

Originally posted by the defenders
Well, you can take your triple bypass and shove it up your ass when your old because the anti-carnivourous safeguard nature, god, gods, put on meat. It's not funny or okay! People just don't see it.

?

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Dark Carnage
I'm upset by the brutallity of the way animals are killed, but killed for no reason?

What are they f**king stupid? They are killed for food.

You know, the way predators survive.

Yes but do we need to eat meat to survive? I sure as hell don't. YOu can keep on with your barbarous ways but at least I sleep at night knowing I'm not a murderer.

[Predaknight]

We'd hear plants scream if they had voices, when we pull them from the ground. When we pull a carrot from the ground are we not ending a life?

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Honey Vibe
?

meat is unhealthy. Thats about it.

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Predaknight
We'd hear plants scream if they had voices, when we pull them from the ground. When we pull a carrot from the ground are we not ending a life?

100% false. Plants have no consciousness. Plants have no senses. Plants don't have any sort of system of touch. They don't have brains. They are not concious. I hate when people use this stupid arguement.

[the defenders]

Plants don't have nervous systems for god sakes. They woulnd't scream because they aren't "alive" in the way animals are!

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Honey Vibe
If you've ever seen an animal be slaughtered, ...how should I put this... it's a really God-awful experience.

So, yeah, I'll give animal activists that much credit...

It's sick that an animal is born to die.

[the defenders]

Anyone know who sings that song anyway? Someone is bound to get it.

[Lighthouse]

Originally posted by the defenders
Yes but do we need to eat meat to survive? I sure as hell don't. YOu can keep on with your barbarous ways but at least I sleep at night knowing I'm not a murderer.
Okay, if its murder should we start arresting lions, tigers and bears? Oh my! It'd put new meaning into Judge Wapners Animal Court.

[Predaknight]

Originally posted by the defenders
100% false. Plants have no consciousness. Plants have no senses. Plants don't have any sort of system of touch. They don't have brains. They are not concious. I hate when people use this stupid arguement.

But plants are alive. Brains or not, nervous systems or not, they are breathing, living, growing things. What is false about that? When you eat a salad something had to die.

[Dark Carnage]

Originally posted by the defenders
Yes but do we need to eat meat to survive? I sure as hell don't. YOu can keep on with your barbarous ways but at least I sleep at night knowing I'm not a murderer.
No we don't NEED meat to survive. But were weren't born herbivores.

That's why we have canines.

Look, if you are alive, you are food to something else.

[the defenders]

Lighthouse, I don't get what your saying.

Predaknight, stop being ignorant. It's living. it isn't freaking conscious. Read up on this before you try and debate me.

Dark Carnage, yes but we are also born with a tailbone and tonsils. Both useless. Since I'm born with canines, can I eat humans? Can I come to your house and kill you because I have canines?

[DarkKnightJRK]

Originally posted by Predaknight
But plants are alive. Brains or not, nervous systems or not, they are breathing, living, growing things. What is false about that? When you eat a salad something had to die.

True. Anyway you slice it, you gotta kill something in order to survive, it's been true since the dawn of time.

[DarkKnightJRK]

Originally posted by the defenders
Lighthouse, I don't get what your saying.

He's saying "So it's ok for tigers and lions kill to survive but it isn't ok for us?"

Dispite what evolution says, we humans ARE animals. We just learned to talk and walk on two legs.

[Dark Carnage]

Originally posted by the defenders
Dark Carnage, yes but we are also born with a tailbone and tonsils. Both useless. Since I'm born with canines, can I eat humans? Can I come to your house and kill you because I have canines?
You could try, but I have canines too.

[Morg]

Originally posted by the defenders
Yes but do we need to eat meat to survive? I sure as hell don't. YOu can keep on with your barbarous ways but at least I sleep at night knowing I'm not a murderer.

Plants are alive so if you ate a salad you commited murder.

[Fox Mulder]

Originally posted by the defenders
Anyone know who sings that song anyway? Someone is bound to get it.
Morrissey?

I've been vegetarian for 21 years. I believe that killing animals is NOT necessary. If it was, wouldn't you think I'd be unhealthy or maybe dead by now?

EDIT: Oops. :o ;)

[TheArtofShadow]

"If meat is murder, then murder tastes pretty damn good!" -Dennis Leary

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by the defenders
Well, you can take your triple bypass and shove it up your ass when your old because the anti-carnivourous safeguard nature, god, gods, put on meat. It's not funny or okay! People just don't see it. If you are going to come in here spewing your vegan-nazi propaganda, at least get your grammar correct.

[Kent]

Soooo... I guess I should stop swatting mosquitoes eh?

EDIT:
Oh, and murder is the planned killing of one human by another, unless you want to change the meaning of the word.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by the defenders
Lighthouse, I don't get what your saying.Food chain. those animals "MuRdEr" others to eat. The human animal is the highest rank on the food chain.

Predaknight, stop being ignorant. It's living. it isn't freaking conscious. Read up on this before you try and debate me.So what, it's still living. It has to die to be consumed.

Dark Carnage, yes but we are also born with a tailbone and tonsils. Both useless.Much like your posts. Anyhow, our cannimes aren't useless, they help chew meat. Since I'm born with canines, can I eat humans?Sure, it's physically possible. Can I come to your house and kill you because I have canines? I doubt you would be dumb enough to try.

[Kent]

Originally posted by DarkKnightJRK
Dispite what evolution says, we humans ARE animals. We just learned to talk and walk on two legs.

Dispite?

[DarkKnightJRK]

Originally posted by Kent
Dispite?

*EXPLICIT LANGUAGE* you, nobody's perfect. :mad: :(

[V1P3Rt3Ch]

Originally posted by the defenders
100% false. Plants have no consciousness. Plants have no senses. Plants don't have any sort of system of touch. They don't have brains. They are not concious. I hate when people use this stupid arguement.

I'll have you know that Brocolie has an IQ of 2... Bub..

[the defenders]

I don't mean if killing humans is possible, but why is murdering animals legal and humans not? Lions and the such have to kill to eat. They can't farm like humans can. And despite what you idiots say, plants aren't the same as animals so stop being ignorant, your all ignorant.

And yes it's Morrissey or rather The Smiths.

[Superman]

I HATE the way they kill the cows and there should be , and i'm sure there is, other humane ways to kill them, but man was meant to eat meat. All you have to do is look at our teeth to see that. We have the teeth of carnivores.

[V1P3Rt3Ch]

Hmm... Lets talk about all the homes of animals that are destroyed from farming. How about how many of them get killed cultivating the ground? I bet you are the kind of guy that doesn't swat misquitos.

[the defenders]

Originally posted by V1P3Rt3Ch
Hmm... Lets talk about all the homes of animals that are destroyed from farming. How about how many of them get killed cultivating the ground? I bet you are the kind of guy that doesn't swat misquitos.

Now, I believe there needs to be a stop to farming on animals homes. It also gives homes to tons of other animals. Oh and I don't swat misquitos.

[Jason Blood]

eating stupid animals is part of nature

even stupid animals eat dumber animals

its the circle of life

[Kent]

Originally posted by the defenders
Plants don't have nervous systems for god sakes. They woulnd't scream because they aren't "alive" in the way animals are!

So... its okay to eat mute people because they can't scream? :)

[Jason Blood]

Originally posted by Kent
So... its okay to eat mute people because they can't scream? :)
OMFG!!!


ROTFLMFAO!!!

:D:D:D:D

[V1P3Rt3Ch]

Now defenders is either:

A) Doing this topic to just shoot the ^_^^_^^_^^_^ and BS.

or

B) He is a smelly Hippie and should be set on fire.


:D

[Majin Boo]

:confused:

[the defenders]

Umm okay... I am not a dirty hippy. My friend's call me one too. But I'm not really into hippy *****. I'm more militant. I kinda posted it as a song but I got into all this. It's okay. Read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair and then you'll see.

[Kent]

Originally posted by the defenders
I don't mean if killing humans is possible, but why is murdering animals legal and humans not? Lions and the such have to kill to eat. They can't farm like humans can. And despite what you idiots say, plants aren't the same as animals so stop being ignorant, your all ignorant.

And yes it's Morrissey or rather The Smiths.

Stop saying murdering. Murder is the planned killing of one human being by another human being. I know your Disney-fied little world of cute little wabbits with large brown eyes and mouses that can talk seems to suggest that all animals are humans... they are not.
Just because you find it appaling and disgusting does not make it murder.

[Shyair]

Originally posted by the defenders
Plants don't have nervous systems for god sakes. They woulnd't scream because they aren't "alive" in the way animals are! Thats like saying a single celled organism isn't alive and holds no consciousness. Thats bullsh17. Do we need meat to survive? As human beings, we require protein to stay healthy, retain energy and body mass. So yes. If you'd like stay a stick that lazes around and does nothing but cry about the things you're not going to eat. Go right ahead. Go eat your bush and berries for all I care. But don't judge other people for wanting to be all around healthy. Oh, and if you're a real vegan, then you accept fish as proper food to devour. Hypocritical rubbish I say.

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Kent
Stop saying murdering. Murder is the planned killing of one human being by another human being. I know your Disney-fied little world of cute little wabbits with large brown eyes and mouses that can talk seems to suggest that all animals are humans... they are not.
Just because you find it appaling and disgusting does not make it murder.

Okay, so just because it has a definition it's okay? Remember, blacks used to not be humans. Disney sucks, I'm not supporting child labor;) . I'm not a jerk who just defenders the cute furry animals. They all need to be protected. It's killing. It's murder! It's planned. They are born to die. It's sick and f***ing disgusting. Yet you all find something wrong with killing humans for food.

Kill the rich and feed them to the poor. How's that? That's a hell of a plan. Better than killing innocent animals. Let's kill the scum of our society. Thats a fu*king hippy for you. Dumb bastards.

[Fox Mulder]

Some points here make it sound as if it's absolutely necessary to eat meat for our survival. It's just a matter of choice. But it's the way they kill and raise the animals is what gets me. They raise and kill them as if they don't have the right to live, the only right these animals have is to be slaughtered in a terrible way and to put on our plate. Who are we to make this decision? Who are we to raise them like this? No one. The only real difference I see between us and those animals (at 1:30AM :o ;)) is our intelligence and size. I have a friend who has an IQ below 90, should I eat him too? ;)

[Fox Mulder]

Originally posted by Shyair
Thats like saying a single celled organism isn't alive and holds no consciousness. Thats bullsh17. Do we need meat to survive? As human beings, we require protein to stay healthy, retain energy and body mass. So yes. If you'd like stay a stick that lazes around and does nothing but cry about the things you're not going to eat. Go right ahead. Go eat your bush and berries for all I care. But don't judge other people for wanting to be all around healthy. Oh, and if you're a real vegan, then you accept fish as proper food to devour. Hypocritical rubbish I say.
I haven't eaten meat in 21 years, but I am healthy. Sure I go to the doctors a lot, but that's mostly because of rugby. :o ;)

[Shyair]

our tailbones actually aide our lower extremities with balance in concert with our inner ear. Back in the day, it's believed, that we actually had tails. As they became useless, we lost them, created a rescessive prone we call the tail bone. Tonsils capture high profile bacteria and prevent such from reaching deeper into our esophogus. Not useless at all.

[Shyair]

Originally posted by Fox Mulder
I haven't eaten meat in 21 years, but I am healthy. Sure I go to the doctors a lot, but that's mostly because of rugby. :o ;) Didn't say a vegan would be unhealthy. But compared to a meat eater you better believe theres a visable difference.

[Fox Mulder]

Originally posted by Shyair
Didn't say a vegan would be unhealthy. But compared to a meat eater you better believe theres a visable difference.
I see what you're saying. My eyesight is worse than most and I might have to start wearing them all the time now. Maybe the lack of protein has something to do with that, I don't know. But I try to take my vitamin tablets regularly. ;)

[Kent]

Originally posted by the defenders
Okay, so just because it has a definition it's okay?

Because it has a definition it is not murder.


Remember, blacks used to not be humans.


No... people used to consider them not human because they found it convenient, genetically (the only way which matters with defining species), they are and always will be. And animals, such as dogs, cats, cows are not, and never will be.


Disney sucks, I'm not supporting child labor;) .


Good for you.


I'm not a jerk who just defenders the cute furry animals. They all need to be protected.


Okay.


It's killing.


Quite astute of you to notice.

It's murder!

No.
Thank you, come again.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/simpsons/images/quotes/apu.gif

It's planned.


Where's your raincoat Columbo?
http://www.tvder60er.de/bilder/columbo.jpg

o lets summarize... it's killing, it's planned. Still not the killing of a human by a human. No dice.

Thank you, come again.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/simpsons/images/quotes/apu.gif

[They are born to die.

Then again, who isn't?


It's sick and f***ing disgusting.


I do have some complaints about how some, or even most of the animals are treated before slaughter, which is why I try to make sure I know my sources. So I do agree a bit there.


Yet you all find something wrong with killing humans for food.


I find it murder, and it destabilises the social structure we live within, which the killing of animals does not.
Or maybe you're particularly fond of anarchy...? what do I know...


Kill the rich and feed them to the poor. How's that?


Yeah, I'm pretty sure that'd be murder.

That's a hell of a plan. Better than killing innocent animals.

Do you have like a book full of unsupported assertions at home, or do you just wing it?

[Alf]

lol, Kent, that was hilarious...

[Jason Blood]

Originally posted by the defenders
Umm okay... I am not a dirty hippy. My friend's call me one too. But I'm not really into hippy *****. I'm more militant. I kinda posted it as a song but I got into all this. It's okay. Read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair and then you'll see.

that book is pure fiction

get your facts straight:rolleyes:

[TheSlag]

Originally posted by Fox Mulder
I have a friend who has an IQ below 90, should I eat him too? ;)

How plump and tender is he? Bar-B-Q or Slow Roast??!?!? So many questions before I can give you a good answer. ;) :D

[The Singularity]

Originally posted by the defenders
I don't mean if killing humans is possible, but why is murdering animals legal and humans not? Lions and the such have to kill to eat. They can't farm like humans can. And despite what you idiots say, plants aren't the same as animals so stop being ignorant, your all ignorant.

One question? What religion are you?

[TheSlag]

Originally posted by The Singularity
One question? What religion are you?

Better question... what world is he from. ;)

[USMC]

I eat meat because meat is incredibly healthy for you, contrary to what vegetarians want you to believe. The body needs blood, pure and simple.

[TheSlag]

Originally posted by USMC
I eat meat because meat is incredibly healthy for you, contrary to what vegetarians want you to believe. The body needs blood, pure and simple.

*Checks USMC for some *nasty fangs* :eek: :D *while holding a cross tightly :eek:

[USMC]

LOL. :D

[Jason Blood]

Originally posted by USMC
I eat meat because meat is incredibly healthy for you, contrary to what vegetarians want you to believe. The body needs blood, pure and simple.

Amen

[The Singularity]

Originally posted by USMC
I eat meat because meat is incredibly healthy for you, contrary to what vegetarians want you to believe. The body needs blood, pure and simple.

And organic food is bad for you.

[Jason Blood]

Originally posted by Bloody Mary
i used to eat meat when i was little but everytime i would eat it i would think about the animals that died, screaming, beaten alive then slaughtered and now at the tip of my fork. didnt work out. :(

i still eat fish sometimes, but thats also difficult bc fish are weird looking.

yeah all of those stupid chickens yelling "Help me!!!"


oh wait

[USMC]

Originally posted by The Singularity
And organic food is bad for you.

Seriously? I didn't know that, i just think organic milk tastes like crap. :o

[USMC]

Originally posted by Bloody Mary
i still eat fish sometimes, but thats also difficult bc fish are weird looking.


LOL:D:D

[Grey Area]

I eat meat cause it tastes good:)

[The Singularity]

Originally posted by Bloody Mary
...beaten alive...

:confused:

[Fox Mulder]

Originally posted by USMC
vegetarians want you to believe.
What?? Only mad animal extremists try push their "beliefs" on meateaters. Not all vegetarians. ;)

The body needs blood, pure and simple.
If that where true, I'd be dead by now. ;)

[The Singularity]

Originally posted by USMC
Seriously? I didn't know that, i just think organic milk tastes like crap. :o

Not totally bad for you but because no pesticides/herbicides are used there's a chance of it doing more harm than good.

[USMC]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fox Mulder
What?? Only mad animal extremists try push their "beliefs" on meateaters. Not all vegetarians. ;)

Good point. My mistake. :o


If that where true, I'd be dead by now. ;)

I didn't say it would kill you without it. I believe that the body is not as healthy as it should be without blood from meat.

[USMC]

Originally posted by The Singularity
Not totally bad for you but because no pesticides/herbicides are used there's a chance of it doing more harm than good.

Ah, i see. :)

[Fox Mulder]

Originally posted by USMC
I didn't say it would kill you without it. I believe that the body is not as healthy as it should be without blood from meat.
I think it's a pile of crap. I'm about as healthy as the next person. The only things wrong with me is bad eyesight, which I probably inherited of my father or it's a result of sitting infront of the computer for too long... and constant sleepy-ness... which is probably a result of not going to bed earlier. ;)

[The Singularity]

Originally posted by Bloody Mary
#1 animals are raised to be eaten. they are fed animal fat and steroids to fatten them up. they arent sold by quality, theyr sold by weight. have fun eating fat steroids. :up:

They get broken down in the cooking process. Or in our stomachs.

Originally posted by Bloody Mary
#2 the body doesnt need animal meat and blood to function correctly. our bodies supply the blood, eating other animals flesh and muscle is just savage and appaling.

Not the blood, but the protein from the animal meat helps.

Originally posted by Bloody Mary
#3 i hope you all get mad cow disease and your brains swell and develop embolisms. :o

We'll die from mad cow disease and you'll die from aneamia. Potatoe. Potatoe.

[DarkKnightJRK]

Originally posted by Fox Mulder
What?? Only mad animal extremists try push their "beliefs" on meateaters. Not all vegetarians. ;)

Yeah, crazy animal extremists like...ok, I don't know any...wait! The dude who started this thread!

I'll give him one thing though, the stuff they do to kill them is really f**ked up, it's better if we made a calmer way to kill them.

If they'd find a better way to execute death row inmates, they can find a better way to bring us our steak! :batman:

[The Singularity]

Originally posted by Bloody Mary
i havent eaten meat since i was 13, im perfectly healthy :o im never eating meat again

Do you eat eggs or other dairy products?

[Fox Mulder]

Originally posted by DarkKnightJRK
Yeah, crazy animal extremists like...ok, I don't know any...wait! The dude who started this thread!

I'll give him one thing though, the stuff they do to kill them is really f**ked up, it's better if we made a calmer way to kill them.

If they'd find a better way to execute death row inmates, they can find a better way to bring us our steak! :batman:
Why not wait until the animal has died naturally? :o ;)

[Jason Blood]

Originally posted by Bloody Mary
i havent eaten meat since i was 13, im perfectly healthy :o im never eating meat again

how tall are you?

[Grey Area]

Originally posted by Fox Mulder
Why not wait until the animal has died naturally? :o ;)

it wont taste as good

[Fox Mulder]

Originally posted by Bloody Mary
i havent eaten meat since i was 13, im perfectly healthy :o im never eating meat again
I stopped eating meat at the age of 7, that was 21 years ago.
Good for you. I'm sure you'd succeed.

[Fox Mulder]

Originally posted by Jason Blood
how tall are you?
Wait, what does that have to do with anything?? :o ;)

[Kent]

Originally posted by Bloody Mary
i still eat fish sometimes, but thats also difficult bc fish are weird looking.

It's okay to eat fish, 'cause they don't have any feelings...

... there's somethin' in the way... mmmmmm-mmmmm...

[USMC]

Originally posted by Fox Mulder
I think it's a pile of crap. I'm about as healthy as the next person. The only things wrong with me is bad eyesight, which I probably inherited of my father or it's a result of sitting infront of the computer for too long... and constant sleepy-ness... which is probably a result of not going to bed earlier. ;)

I think it's sound advice. I appreciate the fact that you seem to think you're saving innocent animal lives or you just find the practice of killing them for food to be appalling or unnecesary, but to each their own.

Humans have needed animal flesh to survive since the beginning. Our bodies were made to be omnivorous, not herbivorous. The fact that we can farm veggies doesn't change that quality within our bodies.

I believe strongly in Chinese medicine and philosophy of health, concerning the Qi (chi) of the body, the Yin and Yang. Balance is key to a healthy life. To go extremely one way (no meat at all) or the other way (McDonald's everyday, etc) is simply not logical or healthy for your body. Moderation is most important.

My partner and several other medical professionals I have known have treated fat ass pigs who refuse to eat healthy and only eat meat and fat every day, and they have treated vegetarians who were healthy in their younger years, and who have developed back pains, weak bones, BAD EYESIGHT, anemia, fatigue, etc, when they reach middle age and beyond.

It works both ways. Any wise, educated person of the past or present, no matter WHAT their background, will tell you that ANYTHING in excess is NOT good for you. Even working out too much is bad for your body. Moderation is they key to a healthy life. Including what you do, or don't, eat.

[Jason Blood]

Originally posted by Fox Mulder
Wait, what does that have to do with anything?? :o ;)

If I get an answer from a vegetarian then I can explain

[The Singularity]

Originally posted by USMC
I think it's sound advice. I appreciate the fact that you seem to think you're saving innocent animal lives or you just find the practice of killing them for food to be appalling or unnecesary, but to each their own.

Humans have needed animal flesh to survive since the beginning. Our bodies were made to be omnivorous, not herbivorous. The fact that we can farm veggies doesn't change that quality within our bodies.

I believe strongly in Chinese medicine and philosophy of health, concerning the Qi (chi) of the body, the Yin and Yang. Balance is key to a healthy life. To go extremely one way (no meat at all) or the other way (McDonald's everyday, etc) is simply not logical or healthy for your body. Moderation is most important.

My partner and several other medical professionals I have known have treated fat ass pigs who refuse to eat healthy and only eat meat and fat every day, and they have treated vegetarians who were healthy in their younger years, and who have developed back pains, weak bones, BAD EYESIGHT, anemia, fatigue, etc, when they reach middle age and beyond.

It works both ways. Any wise, educated person of the past or present, no matter WHAT their background, will tell you that ANYTHING in excess is NOT good for you. Even working out too much is bad for your body. Moderation is they key to a healthy life. Including what you do, or don't, eat.

:up:

[DarkKnightJRK]

Originally posted by USMC
I think it's sound advice. I appreciate the fact that you seem to think you're saving innocent animal lives or you just find the practice of killing them for food to be appalling or unnecesary, but to each their own.

Humans have needed animal flesh to survive since the beginning. Our bodies were made to be omnivorous, not herbivorous. The fact that we can farm veggies doesn't change that quality within our bodies.

I believe strongly in Chinese medicine and philosophy of health, concerning the Qi (chi) of the body, the Yin and Yang. Balance is key to a healthy life. To go extremely one way (no meat at all) or the other way (McDonald's everyday, etc) is simply not logical or healthy for your body. Moderation is most important.

My partner and several other medical professionals I have known have treated fat ass pigs who refuse to eat healthy and only eat meat and fat every day, and they have treated vegetarians who were healthy in their younger years, and who have developed back pains, weak bones, BAD EYESIGHT, anemia, fatigue, etc, when they reach middle age and beyond.

It works both ways. Any wise, educated person of the past or present, no matter WHAT their background, will tell you that ANYTHING in excess is NOT good for you. Even working out too much is bad for your body. Moderation is they key to a healthy life. Including what you do, or don't, eat.

:up:

[Jason Blood]

Originally posted by USMC
I think it's sound advice. I appreciate the fact that you seem to think you're saving innocent animal lives or you just find the practice of killing them for food to be appalling or unnecesary, but to each their own.

Humans have needed animal flesh to survive since the beginning. Our bodies were made to be omnivorous, not herbivorous. The fact that we can farm veggies doesn't change that quality within our bodies.

I believe strongly in Chinese medicine and philosophy of health, concerning the Qi (chi) of the body, the Yin and Yang. Balance is key to a healthy life. To go extremely one way (no meat at all) or the other way (McDonald's everyday, etc) is simply not logical or healthy for your body. Moderation is most important.

My partner and several other medical professionals I have known have treated fat ass pigs who refuse to eat healthy and only eat meat and fat every day, and they have treated vegetarians who were healthy in their younger years, and who have developed back pains, weak bones, BAD EYESIGHT, anemia, fatigue, etc, when they reach middle age and beyond.

It works both ways. Any wise, educated person of the past or present, no matter WHAT their background, will tell you that ANYTHING in excess is NOT good for you. Even working out too much is bad for your body. Moderation is they key to a healthy life. Including what you do, or don't, eat.

:up:

am I right when I say alot of vegetarians are short (because they didn't get the right nutrients)

[Kent]

Originally posted by USMC
I think it's sound advice. I appreciate the fact that you seem to think you're saving innocent animal lives or you just find the practice of killing them for food to be appalling or unnecesary, but to each their own.

Humans have needed animal flesh to survive since the beginning. Our bodies were made to be omnivorous, not herbivorous. The fact that we can farm veggies doesn't change that quality within our bodies.

I believe strongly in Chinese medicine and philosophy of health, concerning the Qi (chi) of the body, the Yin and Yang. Balance is key to a healthy life. To go extremely one way (no meat at all) or the other way (McDonald's everyday, etc) is simply not logical or healthy for your body. Moderation is most important.

My partner and several other medical professionals I have known have treated fat ass pigs who refuse to eat healthy and only eat meat and fat every day, and they have treated vegetarians who were healthy in their younger years, and who have developed back pains, weak bones, BAD EYESIGHT, anemia, fatigue, etc, when they reach middle age and beyond.

It works both ways. Any wise, educated person of the past or present, no matter WHAT their background, will tell you that ANYTHING in excess is NOT good for you. Even working out too much is bad for your body. Moderation is they key to a healthy life. Including what you do, or don't, eat.

You know, I don't believe it's impossible to live from a strictly non-meat diet and still avoid all of those problems you listed. Because back pains, weak bones, etc come from a lack of certain minerals, protein, etc over time, not the lack of meat specifically. I do believe it's hella-hard to come up with a diet that will help you avoid these problems though...

Personally, I just don't give enough of a **** to go through all that trouble. Let me say that again, I frankly don't care enough about wether animals live or die to start changing my diet in any radical way, or for that matter give up the sweet taste of meat ;) ... some people may find it heartless or immoral, or whatever... but once again, I really don't give a ****.

I usually don't eat red meat though (only chicken (or bird meat) and fish), but that's because I feel healthier as a result of it, not because I care about the big eyed cows.

[Brodie Bruce]

Yeah, but Animals taste good, so my conscience is clear.

[The Singularity]

What I don't understand about vegetarians is where they draw the line. Is it simply because the animal has a face? I won't eat a cow but I'll have the unborn egg of a chicken? I don't like the way animals in slaughter houses are treated but this plant can cease to exist for my salad? :confused:

[Fox Mulder]

Originally posted by USMC
I think it's sound advice. I appreciate the fact that you seem to think you're saving innocent animal lives or you just find the practice of killing them for food to be appalling or unnecesary, but to each their own.

Humans have needed animal flesh to survive since the beginning. Our bodies were made to be omnivorous, not herbivorous. The fact that we can farm veggies doesn't change that quality within our bodies.

I believe strongly in Chinese medicine and philosophy of health, concerning the Qi (chi) of the body, the Yin and Yang. Balance is key to a healthy life. To go extremely one way (no meat at all) or the other way (McDonald's everyday, etc) is simply not logical or healthy for your body. Moderation is most important.

My partner and several other medical professionals I have known have treated fat ass pigs who refuse to eat healthy and only eat meat and fat every day, and they have treated vegetarians who were healthy in their younger years, and who have developed back pains, weak bones, BAD EYESIGHT, anemia, fatigue, etc, when they reach middle age and beyond.

It works both ways. Any wise, educated person of the past or present, no matter WHAT their background, will tell you that ANYTHING in excess is NOT good for you. Even working out too much is bad for your body. Moderation is they key to a healthy life. Including what you do, or don't, eat.
There's no need to think I'm saving animals. I stopped eating meat in thinking that when I was younger, but realized that just because I stopped eating it doesn't mean farmers wouldn't stop farming them. I just never had the heart to go back.

You're right, I probably am unhealthy due to my diet. But keep in mind that veg and fruit do provide some of the vitamins that's in meat. It's either trying to eat as much as you can of the right vegetable or taking those vegetarian vitamin tablets, which I do... when I remember. :o ;)

Thanks though. Your insight has helped me see this situation in a different light. But for now, I'm sticking to vegetarianism. ;)

[USMC]

Originally posted by Fox Mulder

Thanks though. Your insight has helped me see this situation in a different light. But for now, I'm sticking to vegetarianism. ;)

And good luck with that. :) I may not see the long-term benefits of it, but it's hard to deny the fact that you gotta respect someone who would take that much care and thought about their diet and why they will or won't do something they think is wrong... as opposed to the lazy bastard that just goes to Mc'D's drive-thru and then complains 10 years from now about why he's fat and tired all the time.

[Fox Mulder]

Originally posted by Jason Blood
:up:

am I right when I say alot of vegetarians are short (because they didn't get the right nutrients)
I'm short, yes but it doesn't mean it's because I've been vegetarian most of my life. Both of my parents are short. My father is 5"7', my mother is 5"6'. I'm 5"8'.5. ;)

[Kent]

Originally posted by The Singularity
What I don't understand about vegetarians is where they draw the line. Is it simply because the animal has a face? I won't eat a cow but I'll have the unborn egg of a chicken? I don't like the way animals in slaughter houses are treated but this plant can cease to exist for my salad? :confused:

Quite frankly, I think most of them draw the line at consciousness.

[Fox Mulder]

Originally posted by USMC
And good luck with that. :) I may not see the long-term benefits of it, but it's hard to deny the fact that you gotta respect someone who would take that much care and thought about their diet and why they will or won't do something they think is wrong... as opposed to the lazy bastard that just goes to Mc'D's drive-thru and then complains 10 years from now about why he's fat and tired all the time.
Thank you. :) It's hard to believe people would be so careless to their health though and just suddenly complain about it. It makes you wonder what makes them do it.

[vegeta21]

Well, I eat people, so I guess by my standards, meat IS murder.

[Kyle Katarn]

mmm....late night meatloaf....

[hippie_hunter]

Vegitarians are hippies

[Fox Mulder]

Originally posted by hippie_hunter
Vegitarians are hippies
I'm not a hippie. :o ;)

[Carcharodon]

I'm having a burger tonight. :o That isn't a joke.

[the defenders]

You can easily get the right nutrition from tofu and other sources. I don't eat eggs and i drink soy milk when we have it. I'm not an extremist. I just posted a song I like and you guys debated it. It's not my fault. My growth isn't stunted. I'm slightly taller than the avg height for my age. I get sick like never since I became a vegetarian/vegan. I like tofu and soy milk anyway. AND I'M NOT A ^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^ING HIPPY. God I hate you hippy hunter. Must I post a link of vegetarians?

[Carcharodon]

Originally posted by the defenders
You can easily get the right nutrition from tofu and other sources. I don't eat eggs and i drink soy milk when we have it. I'm not an extremist. I just posted a song I like and you guys debated it. It's not my fault. My growth isn't stunted. I'm slightly taller than the avg height for my age. I get sick like never since I became a vegetarian/vegan. I like tofu and soy milk anyway. AND I'M NOT A ^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^ING HIPPY. God I hate you hippy hunter. Must I post a link of vegetarians? The protein argument other people are making is a moot point...several types of beans and legumes (and especially soy beans) can provide you with ample protein. You don't need meat to stay healthy. In moderation, meat is healthy for you as well. For some, the problem is finding a balance.

I commend you for your efforts in being a vegetarian. Unfortunately, I just can't give up my sushi. I'm an addict.

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Wall_Crawler_2003
The protein argument other people are making is a moot point...several types of beans and legumes (and especially soy beans) can provide you with ample protein. You don't need meat to stay healthy. In moderation, meat is healthy for you as well. For some, the problem is finding a balance.

I commend you for your efforts in being a vegetarian. Unfortunately, I just can't give up my sushi. I'm an addict.

I'm not trying to be Nazi-esque about this. I'm just trying to propagate the masses. :) I just see it as murder and you aren't one of the ignorant people in here(jeff hardy, hippy hunter). But their stupidity just gets me so POed.

[Carcharodon]

Originally posted by the defenders
I'm not trying to be Nazi-esque about this. I'm just trying to propagate the masses. :) I just see it as murder and you aren't one of the ignorant people in here(jeff hardy, hippy hunter). But their stupidity just gets me so POed. I understand, I think that some people in here felt that you came on very strongly with your opinion. Hence the commotion in the thread.

[Master Blaster]

Master Blaster like meat. Hulk like meat too. Meat good.:hulk:

[Oakley]

Originally posted by Dark Carnage
I'm upset by the brutallity of the way animals are killed, but killed for no reason?

What are they f**king stupid? They are killed for food.

You know, the way predators survive.

By the way, why do we have canines? To rip plants? :rolleyes: Pass me a rare Outback steak, and I'm yours!

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by the defenders
I don't mean if killing humans is possible, but why is murdering animals legal and humans not?Animals are lower on the food chain. Animals have been a source of food since the very inception of humanoid creatures. Lions and the such have to kill to eat.And humans don't? They can't farm like humans can.It is much easier to kill and cook an animal than farm. And despite what you idiots say, plants aren't the same as animals so stop being ignorant, your all ignorant.You come in here and start spreading your vegan-nazi propaganda, yet we are the ignorant ones? Explain..

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by the defenders
Now, I believe there needs to be a stop to farming on animals homes. It also gives homes to tons of other animals. Oh and I don't swat misquitos. But realisticly, to turn everyone into a vegan-nazi like you want, there needs to be MUCH more farmland than there is.

[Steve Jobs]

Originally posted by the defenders
meat is unhealthy. Thats about it. So is no meat.

[the defenders]

Okay well ^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^ you lord_galvatron, if you want to call names...i'm not debating you.

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Steve Jobs
So is no meat. '

I'm healthier than ever.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by Bloody Mary
#1 animals are raised to be eaten. they are fed animal fat and steroids to fatten them up. they arent sold by quality, theyr sold by weight. have fun eating fat steroids. We do, and providing animals with steroids is illegal.
#2 the body doesnt need animal meat and blood to function correctly.But it does need protein. I can get all the protein I need for a week from an 18oz steak, you have to eat pounds of soybeans to get the same. [/quote]eating other animals flesh and muscle is just savage and appaling.[/quote]Says you, most people find it to be delicious and healthy.

#3 i hope you all get mad cow disease and your brains swell and develop embolisms. :o I hope you choke on a piece of broccoli

[Steve Jobs]

I used to be a vegan for a little while, I was very unhealthy, and then I jumped on the atkins bandwagon and became very healthy and lost a bit of weight too.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by the defenders
Okay well ^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^ you lord_galvatron, if you want to call names...i'm not debating you. What, you mean calling you a vegan-nazi? I'm only stating the obvious.

[bluejake01]

Originally posted by Fox Mulder
I have a friend who has an IQ below 90, should I eat him too? ;)

Is he plump and juicy, or stringy?

[bluejake01]

Vegetarians have a shorter average life span than those that eat a balanced diet with lean meats.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally posted by Fox Mulder
I'm not a hippie. :o ;)

Yes you are :D

[Corinthian™]

I remember one day my uncle brought a goat and killed it, and he taught me how to skin it and all the things... One of my happiest memories(I aint a sick bastard, that's life, life has an end)...

That actually teach you a lesson.. We(by we I mean EVERYTHING) are consumers.. we are meant to consume... everything consumes everything... And if you consume something, it means you are going to destroy it and use it for your own good...

So if you eat meat an animal is killed, then if you eat a salad, a plant is "killed" too...

[Ben Urich]

Has anyone posted the link to Maddox yet?

[hippie_hunter]

Originally posted by the defenders
I'm not trying to be Nazi-esque about this. I'm just trying to propagate the masses. :) I just see it as murder and you aren't one of the ignorant people in here(jeff hardy, hippy hunter). But their stupidity just gets me so POed.

Actually I do respect your opinions and I am not as ignorant as I pose on the Hype! I actually don't think George W. Bush is God, I don't hate all hippies (keyword ALL, I still don't like them in general), and so on. I am not that close minded so go on being a vegitarian it does not matter to me, just if there is a topic like this expect me to pop up saying my hate for hippies.

I just make fun of the stereotype that vegitaritans are hippies and it is my reputation to destroy all hippies.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally posted by the defenders
AND I'M NOT A ^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^ING HIPPY. God I hate you hippy hunter. Must I post a link of vegetarians?

I was just joking around don't be hatin' :(

[bluejake01]

Plants produce electrical impulses, on similar wave lengths as a brain. Just because we don't fully comprehend their life, doesn't mean they don't have one to lose. They reproduce, have defense mechanisims, and feelings as far as we can tell. Plants respond to human emotions and give off elevated "brain waves" when in duress.

[Man-Thing]

Originally posted by the defenders
Yes but do we need to eat meat to survive? I sure as hell don't. YOu can keep on with your barbarous ways but at least I sleep at night knowing I'm not a murderer. Unless you eat synthetic plastice hemp, you are a hypocrite. YOU PLANT MURDERER! :mad:

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by the defenders
Yes but do we need to eat meat to survive? I sure as hell don't. YOu can keep on with your barbarous ways but at least I sleep at night knowing I'm not a murderer.I eat meat all the time and I go to bed at night knowing I'm not a murderer as well, what's your point?

[Man-Thing]

anyone who tells me I shouldn't eat a piece of flesh is silly.:mad:

[Kent]

Originally posted by LORD_GALVATRON
I eat meat all the time and I go to bed at night knowing I'm not a murderer as well, what's your point?

:up:

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by Man-Thing
anyone who tells me I shouldn't eat a piece of flesh is silly.:mad: Anyone who tells you that you should do anything to conform to their beliefs is silly.

[Man-Thing]

Originally posted by Dark Carnage
No we don't NEED meat to survive. But were weren't born herbivores.

That's why we have canines.

Look, if you are alive, you are food to something else.

so everything with sharp canines are carnivores?
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/pgifs/Pandahead.GIF
:rolleyes:

[LORD_GALVATRON]

oh, btw:


mur·der ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mûrdr)
n.
The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
Slang. Something that is very uncomfortable, difficult, or hazardous: The rush hour traffic is murder.
A flock of crows. See Synonyms at flock1.

Eating meat is NOT murder. PROVEN.

[bluejake01]

Meat is tasty

[Danalys]

panda have just evolved to the point where they aint very good hunters or scavengers. they do eat meat if they can find it. The amount of bamboo in their environment made it a survival advantage for those that liked bamboo. now the lack of bamboo contributes to their extinction.

[vegeta21]

Originally posted by ph27home
panda have just evolved to the point where they aint very good hunters or scavengers. they do eat meat if they can find it. The amount of bamboo in their environment made it a survival advantage for those that liked bamboo. now the lack of bamboo contributes to their extinction.

Well, that solves it. Let's all go out for Panda.

[the defenders]

Just because a difinition says something doesn't make it right. I mean, blacks used to not be humans. So there you go. I agree, meat is tasty, but I refuse to give in. I'm not inflicting belief on anyone. I'm just f***cking stating my opinion. If you don't like it than shut the f**k up.

[the defenders]

As I said before, we should kill the rich and the politicians and eat them. it's the perfect solution.

[Alf]

Originally posted by the defenders
Just because a difinition says something doesn't make it right. I mean, blacks used to not be humans. So there you go. I agree, meat is tasty, but I refuse to give in. I'm not inflicting belief on anyone. I'm just f***cking stating my opinion. If you don't like it than shut the f**k up. l think incredible hulk already went over this, but blacks were always human...:up:

[Man-Thing]

Originally posted by the defenders
Just because a difinition says something doesn't make it right. I mean, blacks used to not be humans. So there you go. I agree, meat is tasty, but I refuse to give in. I'm not inflicting belief on anyone. I'm just f***cking stating my opinion. If you don't like it than shut the f**k up. how conveinant.:rolleyes:

[the defenders]

Oh and I am an atheist btw. I forgot who asked. I am a buddhist anarcho-socialist liberal for a philisophical point of view. Religion doesn't appeal to me.

This is my only sucessful thread ever. I'm so happy.

[Man-Thing]

Originally posted by the defenders
As I said before, we should kill the rich and the politicians and eat them. it's the perfect solution. ...









:p

[Alf]

Originally posted by the defenders
As I said before, we should kill the rich and the politicians and eat them. it's the perfect solution. except that is murder...

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by the defenders
Just because a difinition says something doesn't make it right.Uhh, yes it does. Man created the word 'murder' to define the killing of another human. I mean, blacks used to not be humans.WTF??????????? I think you may be talking about the 100 or so years slavery was in existence in america, but in no way were blacks ever not considered human. That was just dumb. I'm not inflicting belief on anyone. I'm just f***cking stating my opinion. If you don't like it than shut the f**k up.No, when you go on and on about how "MeAt Is MuRdEr"[which has been proven false btw]and calling everyone who eats meat a murderer, that is forcing your beliefs on people. You don't want to eat meat? Great, good for you, but shut the hell up about it. No one wants to read your whinning about it.

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Alf
l think incredible hulk already went over this, but blacks were always human...:up:

yes, but by definition they weren't. I didn't see Incredible Hulk's post or didn't notice it. and Man-Thing, what's convient?

[Steve Jobs]

Originally posted by the defenders
Oh and I am an atheist btw. I forgot who asked. I am a buddhist anarcho-socialist liberal for a philisophical point of view. Religion doesn't appeal to me.

This is my only sucessful thread ever. I'm so happy. Buddhist = Religion...

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by the defenders
As I said before, we should kill the rich and the politicians and eat them. it's the perfect solution. No, the perfect solution[if there even is one]Would be to kill all the stupid and ignorant people. Guess what place in line you are.

[Man-Thing]

Originally posted by the defenders
Oh and I am an atheist btw. I forgot who asked. I am a buddhist anarcho-socialist liberal for a philisophical point of view. Religion doesn't appeal to me.

This is my only sucessful thread ever. I'm so happy.

"Buddhism has the characteristics of what would be expected in a cosmic religion for the future: it transcends a personal God, avoids dogmas and theology; it covers both the natural & spiritual, and it is based on a religious sense aspiring from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual, as a meaningful unity" Albert Einstein

One entry found for religion.


Main Entry: re·li·gion
Pronunciation: ri-'li-j&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back -- more at RELY
1 a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion> b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
- re·li·gion·less adjective

Congratulations on your thread!
:up:

[Alf]

Originally posted by the defenders
yes, but by definition they weren't. I didn't see Incredible Hulk's post or didn't notice it. and Man-Thing, what's convient? no, by definition they were...

[Man-Thing]

Originally posted by LORD_GALVATRON
No, the perfect solution[if there even is one]Would be to kill all the stupid and ignorant people. Guess what place in line you are.

http://eer-music.com/pics2/hitler.jpg

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by the defenders
This is my only sucessful thread ever. I'm so happy. [/B]Sure, if by sucessful you mean "make a total ass of myself."

[Man-Thing]

Originally posted by the defenders
yes, but by definition they weren't. I didn't see Incredible Hulk's post or didn't notice it. and Man-Thing, what's convient? how you don't like defeinitions.

[the defenders]

Originally posted by LORD_GALVATRON
Uhh, yes it does. Man created the word 'murder' to define the killing of another human. WTF??????????? I think you may be talking about the 100 or so years slavery was in existence in america, but in no way were blacks ever not considered human. That was just dumb. No, when you go on and on about how "MeAt Is MuRdEr"[which has been proven false btw]and calling everyone who eats meat a murderer, that is forcing your beliefs on people. You don't want to eat meat? Great, good for you, but shut the hell up about it. No one wants to read your whinning about it.

No one? It seems to be a pretty large thread. Get out if you don't like it. You can say what you want but IMO Meat is f**king murder. You obviously hate other people's opinions and have some kind of authoritarian complex. If you don't like my "whining" then get the f**k out of here.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by the defenders
yes, but by definition they weren't. Sorry, you are wrong, AGAIN.


hu·man ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hymn)
n.
A member of the genus Homo and especially of the species H. sapiens.
A person: the extraordinary humans who explored Antarctica.

[Danalys]

lets not argue semantics. is saying meat is killing any worse other than it's not quite as poetic

[vegeta21]

So...anyone else think we should eat Panda?

[Man-Thing]

Originally posted by vegeta21
So...anyone else think we should eat Panda? If you were a hotdog, and you were starving, would you eat yourself? I know I would.:)

[Danalys]

pandas aint a very viable food source.

[hippie_hunter]

Sure lets eat some platypus eggs by the way

[Danalys]

Originally posted by Man-Thing
If you were a hotdog, and you were starving, would you eat yourself? I know I would.:)

you'd just be wasting energy in the chemical transition of it.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by the defenders
No one? It seems to be a pretty large thread. Not because people care about you being a vegan, people are responding because you are posting your beliefs in an ignorant and arrogant way. You can say what you want but IMO Meat is f**king murder. You obviously hate other people's opinions and have some kind of authoritarian complex.You can't have an opinion on something that has been proven as a fact. Saying 'meat is murder imo' is just as bad as saying 'the sun is ice cold,imo' If you don't like my "whining" then get the f**k out of here. Nah, your ignorance and stupidity is too entertaining.

[Man-Thing]

Originally posted by ph27home
you'd just be wasting energy in the chemical transition of it. but hotdogs are delicious. You know what they should clone? HOTDOGS!

[the defenders]

1)Lord_Galvatron is on my ignore list for threatening me.
2)Buddhism can be taken as a religion or philosophy. Buddha actually didn't want it to be on.
3) okay, we'll do some quotes then.

"I am in favor of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the way of a whole human being."
Abraham Lincoln
"Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages."
Thomas Jefferson
"The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look on the murder of men."
Leonardo da Vinci
The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
"To my mind, the life of a lamb is no less precious than that of a human being."
Mahatma Gandhi
"Our task must be to free ourselves . . . by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and its beauty."
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."
Albert Einstein
"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't...The pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further."
Mark Twain
"For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seed of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love."
Pythagoras
"Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages."
Thomas Edison

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by Man-Thing
but hotdogs are delicious. You know what they should clone? HOTDOGS! You wouldn't eat hot dogs if you saw how they were made

[Corinthian™]

Originally posted by the defenders
No one? It seems to be a pretty large thread. Get out if you don't like it. You can say what you want but IMO Meat is f**king murder. You obviously hate other people's opinions and have some kind of authoritarian complex. If you don't like my "whining" then get the f**k out of here. there's a thing called dictionary....

also www.dictionary.com

well let me show you something..

mur·der ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mûrdr)
n.
1. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
2. Slang. Something that is very uncomfortable, difficult, or hazardous: The rush hour traffic is murder.
3. A flock of crows.



SO STOP SAYIN "EATING MEAT IS MURDER" 'CAUSE IS NOT!

[the defenders]

Listen, you can call my opinion wrong all you want. But I really don't care about the opinions of morons. It doesn't matter to me at all.

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Corinthian
there's a thing called dictionary....

also www.dictionary.com

well let me show you something..

mur·der ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mûrdr)
n.
1. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
2. Slang. Something that is very uncomfortable, difficult, or hazardous: The rush hour traffic is murder.
3. A flock of crows.



SO STOP SAYIN "EATING MEAT IS MURDER" 'CAUSE IS NOT!

Definitions obviously aren't written by people who think of animals as equals.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by the defenders
1)Lord_Galvatron is on my ignore list for threatening me.
I'd post the definition of 'threaten', but since you obviously can't grasp the whole concept of definiton, I won't bother.

[Elijya]

Originally posted by the defenders
1)Lord_Galvatron is on my ignore list for threatening me.
2)Buddhism can be taken as a religion or philosophy. Buddha actually didn't want it to be on.
3) okay, we'll do some quotes then.

"I am in favor of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the way of a whole human being."
Abraham Lincoln
"Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages."
Thomas Jefferson
"The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look on the murder of men."
Leonardo da Vinci
The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
"To my mind, the life of a lamb is no less precious than that of a human being."
Mahatma Gandhi
"Our task must be to free ourselves . . . by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and its beauty."
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."
Albert Einstein
"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't...The pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further."
Mark Twain
"For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seed of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love."
Pythagoras
"Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages."
Thomas Edison

"Just because it's a famous quote doesn't mean it's right" -me

not disagreeing with you, defenders, just hate it when someone uses historic quotes, which are 99.999% of the time just opinions, to prove a point

[the defenders]

Your all getting so angry about this because I am challenging your lifestyle. I understand you eat meat. You were probably raised as meat-eaters. I was too. I just think it's wrong but you all obviously don't like other people's opinions on something that might offend your support or killing for food.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by the defenders
Listen, you can call my opinion wrong all you want.Because it is, you can't argue that. You can say eating meat is killing animals, but not murder. But I really don't care about the opinions of morons. It doesn't matter to me at all. then why do you keep posting.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by the defenders
Definitions obviously aren't written by people who think of animals as equals. Uhh, because animals aren't equals

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Elijya
"Just because it's a famous quote doesn't mean it's right" -me

not disagreeing with you, defenders, just hate it when someone uses historic quotes, which are 99.999% of the time just opinions, to prove a point
dude, i used quots because i think Man-Thing(was it?) used them before. I'm proving what your saying right there.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by the defenders
Your all getting so angry about this because I am challenging your lifestyle. I understand you eat meat. You were probably raised as meat-eaters. I was too. I just think it's wrong but you all obviously don't like other people's opinions on something that might offend your support or killing for food. No, what I don't like is someone calling me a murderer for eating meat. I have said numerous times that I don't care if you are a vegan, It's they way you are expresssing your beliefs that is the problem.

[Alf]

Originally posted by LORD_GALVATRON
I'd post the definition of 'threaten', but since you obviously can't grasp the whole concept of definiton, I won't bother. lolOriginally posted by Elijya
"Just because it's a famous quote doesn't mean it's right" -me

not disagreeing with you, defenders, just hate it when someone uses historic quotes, which are 99.999% of the time just opinions, to prove a point :up:

[Elijya]

ok, this is an argument of opinions, and I hope you all realize that nothing said here will change anyone elses

[the defenders]

Galvatron, your the moron is question so ill continue to type to the people on here i care to type to. I'm not debating a definition. I'm saying that animals should be considered equals to humans.

[Alf]

Originally posted by the defenders
Galvatron, your the moron is question so ill continue to type to the people on here i care to type to. I'm not debating a definition. I'm saying that animals should be considered equals to humans. why is that?

l mean...humans and animals are not equal...:confused:

[Corinthian™]

Originally posted by the defenders
Listen, you can call my opinion wrong all you want. But I really don't care about the opinions of morons. It doesn't matter to me at all.

this is PLAS is Corinthian's account, so don't reply to him


I respect your opinion, if you think that the act of sacrificing animals for human consumption is murder, then ok, have it your way


just remember that live Voltaire said: "I might not agree with what you said, but I will defend your right to say it with my life", looks like you have a lot to learn from some of the greatest humans that have ever laid foot on this planet...

so as a piece of advise, live your life in the vegan way that you want to and let others go on their "cannibalistic" ways

remember, the first step towards changing the world is changing oneself

[Danalys]

which animals? a bacteria is an animal. should that be considered equal to humans? if so then your killing millions of them every day. where do you draw the line?

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Elijya
ok, this is an argument of opinions, and I hope you all realize that nothing said here will change anyone elses

heh okay, so it's a waste of time. I mean, all i did was post a f**king song. I was hoping someone would know it. But no, this forums is for debating I guess. I wasn't really wanting a debate oh well.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by the defenders
Galvatron, your the moron is question so ill continue to type to the people on here i care to type to.You're calling me a moron with grammar like that? Such irony. I'm not debating a definition. Yes you are, you are trying to change the definition of murder. I'm saying that animals should be considered equals to humans. Ok, that's better. That is stating your opinion in a calm, civil way. My opinion is that animals shouldn't be considered quals because humans are BY FAR the most dominant species on the planet and have been for at least 100, 000 years.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by the defenders
heh okay, so it's a waste of time. I mean, all i did was post a f**king song. I was hoping someone would know it. But no, this forums is for debating I guess. I wasn't really wanting a debate oh well. You posted a thread titled "meat is murder" and posted the song lyrics. No where in the post did you ask anything about who did the song or if anyone knew it.

[Corinthian™]

Originally posted by the defenders
Galvatron, your the moron is question so ill continue to type to the people on here i care to type to. I'm not debating a definition. I'm saying that animals should be considered equals to humans.
PLAS is still speaking

I Feel You Brother (http://wallyworldlife.com/cows.html)

http://wallyworldlife.com/buzz-cow.jpg

[the defenders]

Originally posted by ph27home
which animals? a bacteria is an animal. should that be considered equal to humans? if so then your killing millions of them every day. where do you draw the line?

*stops from blowing up*

Bacteria is isn't in the animal kingdom. It is in the kingdom Monera.

[Danalys]

depends on the classification. so you'll accept the definition of a monera then but not the definition of murder.

[Elijya]

so we have to open our high school biology text books to know what's ok to kill and what isn't?

I understand how you feel, and I respect your opinion, defenders, but does it have any basis other then your own opinion? like, a book or something?

[Alf]

Originally posted by the defenders
*stops from blowing up*

Bacteria is isn't in the animal kingdom. It is in the kingdom Monera. what about these guys (http://www.kidport.com/RefLib/Science/Animals/Protozoa.htm)?:o

[the defenders]

Originally posted by the defenders
Anyone know who sings that song anyway? Someone is bound to get it.

[Danalys]

okay what about insects then you kill them just walking around and in your sleep.

[the defenders]

The link doesn't work. Actually, the kingdom animalia is the only one with a conscience and feelings and senses.

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Alf
why is that?

l mean...humans and animals are not equal...:confused:

I didn't say they were. I said they should be!

[Danalys]

link worked for me it was about protozoa. they're classified as animals.

[the defenders]

Originally posted by ph27home
okay what about insects then you kill them just walking around and in your sleep.

Yeah see i don't purposely do that like you do when you eat meat.

[hippie_hunter]

I'm making platypus eggs who wants some

[the defenders]

Originally posted by ph27home
link worked for me it was about protozoa. they're classified as animals.

try it against but thats wrong. There are animal-like protists. They just have animal-like traits. They still don't have a conscience or senses. +thats wrong, protists are in the Kingdom Protista.

[Danalys]

all suffering ends with death. then the existance of the sufferer is only in your mind, so is the suffering. It has nothing to do with the suffering, only the death of something you care about.

[the defenders]

Originally posted by ph27home
all suffering ends with death. then the existance of the sufferer is only in your mind, so is the suffering. It has nothing to do with the suffering, only the death of something you care about.

umm okay?

[bluejake01]

Dude...Hey...have your views, have your beliefs...but don't expect to call the majority of the people in western society murderers, morrons and savages, and not have them react. You are quickly back-peddling on all the emotionally charged things you said, but you need to own up to them and appologize, or accept that you are behaving very un-Budahist and very pro-fascist.

[Man-Thing]

Defenders, how do you feel about pets? Should it be illegal to own a pet? I'm trying to be sincere.

[DarkKnightJRK]

Originally posted by the defenders
I'm not trying to be Nazi-esque about this. I'm just trying to propagate the masses. :) I just see it as murder and you aren't one of the ignorant people in here(jeff hardy, hippy hunter). But their stupidity just gets me so POed.

No offence, but, it really sounds Nazi-esque. You're saying that you're right and everyone else is wrong. Does that remind you of someone?

[the defenders]

Listen, I may have called you murderers but I believe I called 1 or 2 people morons. Not all of you. I own up to being wrong by definition. I'll admit that. I don't see how it's un-buddhist. But i am offended that you would call me pro-fascist. i HATE fascism and i fight against it. I just think that killing animals is wrong and I just want people to think about why they do it.

[Assassin32]

Helpless animals are delicious.:up:

[DarkKnightJRK]

Originally posted by the defenders
Listen, I may have called you murderers but I believe I called 1 or 2 people morons. Not all of you. I own up to being wrong by definition. I'll admit that. I don't see how it's un-buddhist. But i am offended that you would call me pro-fascist. i HATE fascism and i fight against it. I just think that killing animals is wrong and I just want people to think about why they do it.

I WASN'T CALLING YOU A FASCIST. I'm just saying that it's really ignorent that you're calling us murderers because we eat meat.

[Orko Is King]

Originally posted by the defenders
Now, I believe there needs to be a stop to farming on animals homes. It also gives homes to tons of other animals. Oh and I don't swat misquitos.

It's funner to let them drink you and then flex so they explode.:D

[Man-Thing]

Originally posted by Man-Thing
Defenders, how do you feel about pets? Should it be illegal to own a pet? I'm trying to be sincere.

[the defenders]

Originally posted by DarkKnightJRK
No offence, but, it really sounds Nazi-esque. You're saying that you're right and everyone else is wrong. Does that remind you of someone?
No i didn't call anyone wrong. I called 2 people ignorant. Must i get definitions which are so popular in this thread.

And I am split about pets actually. I'm not a big fan of cages. But if they aren't used as punishment and used to keep your pet safe I don't see much of a problem as long as you let them out alot. I guess it's okay to have pets or companions(as i think of them as) as long as you take care of them and don't exploit or abuse them.

[Orko Is King]

Originally posted by the defenders
I didn't say they were. I said they should be!

So, if they were equal...could I marry a dog? Assuming it's a ^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^ since I couldn't marry a boy dog 'cause that's illegal.

[Man-Thing]

Originally posted by the defenders
No i didn't call anyone wrong. I called 2 people ignorant. Must i get definitions which are so popular in this thread.

And I am split about pets actually. I'm not a big fan of cages. But if they aren't used as punishment and used to keep your pet safe I don't see much of a problem as long as you let them out alot. I guess it's okay to have pets or companions(as i think of them as) as long as you take care of them and don't exploit or abuse them. I'm not trying to contradict you, but if you reguard animal life to the same value as human life wouldn't pet ownership be a form of slavery or in the very least oppresion?

[the defenders]

Originally posted by DarkKnightJRK
I WASN'T CALLING YOU A FASCIST. I'm just saying that it's really ignorent that you're calling us murderers because we eat meat.

Since, by definition(however much I disagree with it), meat isn't technically murder I was wrong about that. You can be called a killer than. Is that better? You killed an animal for food. I'm just stating truths here.

[Man-Thing]

Originally posted by Orko Is King
So, if they were equal...could I marry a dog? Assuming it's a ^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^ since I couldn't marry a boy dog 'cause that's illegal. Thinking about beastiality ehh?:D

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Orko Is King
So, if they were equal...could I marry a dog? Assuming it's a ^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^ since I couldn't marry a boy dog 'cause that's illegal.

Marraige is different from the "right" to life.

Man-Thing, that's kind of what I think, however, it's a hell of alot better than the animal being on the street.

[Man-Thing]

Originally posted by the defenders
Marraige is different from the "right" to life.

Man-Thing, that's kind of what I think, however, it's a hell of alot better than the animal being on the street. ok, thanks for clarifying.:up:

[the defenders]

I'm sorry if I offended anyone before. I just have very strong feeling about this and it troubles me that my cause isn't touched on my the media. It's like threatening or something. I don't know if it's just womyns/man's hatred of change but the vegan/vegetarian cause just isn't covered enough.

[DarkKnightJRK]

Originally posted by the defenders
Since, by definition(however much I disagree with it), meat isn't technically murder I was wrong about that. You can be called a killer than. Is that better? You killed an animal for food. I'm just stating truths here.

I have never killed an animal. Don't assume because I like meat I like killing the little things.

[Danalys]

an animal was killed by proxy for you DarkKnightJRK.

[Man-Thing]

Originally posted by the defenders
I'm sorry if I offended anyone before. I just have very strong feeling about this and it troubles me that my cause isn't touched on my the media. It's like threatening or something. I don't know if it's just womyns/man's hatred of change but the vegan/vegetarian cause just isn't covered enough.
again...I'm not trying to stir anything up.

You being someone who believes in Evolution, how do you feel about hunting and conservationist in the aspect of perserving our (place) at the top of the food chain? Do you believe there is a inclination to do this as a result of Natural selection?

[Spider Jerusalem]

defenders, I respect the fact that you dont eat meat and that you care for animals.

What i dont respect is the fact that even before people started flaming you, you were generalizing people that eat meat as ignorant and stupid. If you want to get a point across, thats not a great way to do it.

Maybe you need to do a bit more research because although years ago it was thought that being a vegetarian was a more healthy way of life, it has been researched and found that it is not. vegetarians tend to have more problems as they age from lack of nutrients found in many meats. In todays world, there are many ways to get those nutrients without eating meat, but most vegetarians dont take the time to learn what they lack and take the supplements. As someone pointed out, it is unhealthy to live stricktly on a meat diet as well as it has its own problems. The point is, we are designed to live on a balanced diet of meat and vegetables and it has been that way since probably the beginning of man.

the difference between how we eat meat now and how we did as a young species is that, before, all or as much of the animal was used and did not go to waste, now we are much more brutal and wasteful with our animals and obviously that is not right. Swearing off meat and calling us all murderers is not the answer though.

and that song is kinda lame, so i doubt anyone cares who sings it.

[Clerk]

Originally posted by TheArtofShadow
"If meat is murder, then murder tastes pretty damn good!" -Dennis Leary


Bwhahahaha.:D

[bluejake01]

It is a fascist ideal to want everyone to think like you. I will go back and start quoting you, if you really want to see how you are acting like a fascist, a dictator deciding what's right for everyone in the world. You know, your arguments are non-sense at times. Sure, we don't "have" to eat meat, and we have found ways to supply the body with what it needs from meat. The same could be said about sex. We don't have to have sex to reproduce anymore, so should we deny our nature, our very biology as a species?

You are very free to have your views, I will not judge you, but don't judge me. You did make generalized statements, especially about people that called you on the "plants are living things" argument. You said anyone who believed that was a moron....so Native Americans are morons yeah? I am a moron? Many pagan belief structures respect all life plant and animal. I know my place in the food chain, I respect it, and I give thanks to those lives that end to further mine. I also am willing to accept that sooner or later I will become food for worms, bugs and bacteria. The energy that was me will then move on and sustain new life, and go back on up the food chain, till it reaches the people that come after me. It is a natural cycle.

I don't appreciate your value judgements against me for having a balanced diet. I also don't appreciate the lack of regard you have for plant life. Plants respond to harm (pain), they give off waves similar to brainwaves. Suffering and pain are electro-chemical responses to stimuli. Plant expereince similar reponses to stimuli...so since you cannot ask a plant if it feels pain, even though it isn't in the same way you or I do, you can't assume they don't and dismiss their right to life.

[the defenders]

1)Sex doesn't involved killing
2)I didn't say plants aren't living things.
3)I am an environmentalist and I have high regard for plant life. I think any tree that is cut down should be replaced. So if you want to say I have no regard for plant life, thats fine, but it's incorrect.
4)I called those people morons because they use the arguement of plant life being the same as animal life. I don't know how many times I need to say that plants and animals are nothing alike.


Now next time you try and assume things about people, don't. Say I have a lack of regard for plant life is insane! I am a freakin' environmentalist for god's sakes!

[bluejake01]

Well I DO consider them the same as animal life, and so do many, many other people. So as I said, are me and people of my religion morons? Native Americans are morons? I will now start quoting all the ^_^^_^^_^^_^ you said that you are refusing to own up for, since you won't take responsibility for it. That is unless you have now edited them.

[bluejake01]

Originally posted by the defenders
Well, you can take your triple bypass and shove it up your ass when your old because the anti-carnivourous safeguard nature, god, gods, put on meat. It's not funny or okay! People just don't see it.

[bluejake01]

Originally posted by the defenders
Yes but do we need to eat meat to survive? I sure as hell don't. YOu can keep on with your barbarous ways but at least I sleep at night knowing I'm not a murderer.

[bluejake01]

Originally posted by the defenders
100% false. Plants have no consciousness. Plants have no senses. Plants don't have any sort of system of touch. They don't have brains. They are not concious. I hate when people use this stupid arguement.

Plants do have the cellular equivilent of all the systems you just mentioned, and just because you don't understand the way they "feel" doesn't mean they don't have feelings.

[bluejake01]

Originally posted by the defenders
Plants don't have nervous systems for god sakes. They woulnd't scream because they aren't "alive" in the way animals are!

[bluejake01]

Anyway...it isn't what you are saying, but how you are saying it. When you grow up you will realize how counter-productive these "shock" tactics are to your cause...Unless you are a PETA member or a Pro-life extremist.

[Shyair]

Originally posted by the defenders
The link doesn't work. Actually, the kingdom animalia is the only one with a conscience and feelings and senses. Largest pile of BS you've dropped since you've started this thread.

[Omega Red]

You know what I would love to do. Find one of you rabbit food eaters, wave a big T-Bone medium rare under your nose, and ask you one question.


After all the animals are gone, who do you think we are coming after ???

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Shyair
Largest pile of BS you've dropped since you've started this thread.

Okay, so facts are BS now?
I got that from my bio book anyway.

Omega Red, After all the animals are gone, who do you think we are coming after ???

what does that mean?

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Omega Red
You know what I would love to do. Find one of you rabbit food eaters, wave a big T-Bone medium rare under your nose


I love how you guys all go berzerk when I call you killers and murderers, but you find that okay.

[bluejake01]

Look Defenders...You instantly categorize all meat eaters as violent killers and barbarians, and you don't see the problem in that? So it's OK to be as judgemental and assumptive as you want, as long as it's in the name of YOUR cause?

[Omega Red]

Originally posted by the defenders
I love how you guys all go berzerk when I call you killers and murderers, but you find that okay.


Well I am know I am not, cause god gave it to me, I am using it as he said

[Omega Red]

Originally posted by the defenders
Okay, so facts are BS now?
I got that from my bio book anyway.

Omega Red, After all the animals are gone, who do you think we are coming after ???

what does that mean?


it means what I said. GET A LIFE

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Omega Red
Well I am know I am not, cause god gave it to me, I am using it as he said

can someone translate this please? All I'm saying bluejake, is that I'm against meat eating and I see it as barberic. You may not see it that way. Where in here have I said that the government should take away your privilage of meat eating. I have no problem with you. It's just these people who act like idiots and talk about waving t-bone steaks in front of vegetarian's faces pi$$ me off!

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Omega Red
it means what I said. GET A LIFE

oooookay
great

[suicideking15]

If god didnt want animals to be eaten why did he make them out of meat?
:)

[bluejake01]

Well, you are getting into a really sticky mess of words here Defenders. You can say that meat eating would feel barbaric to you, if you were to do it and not offend people. But you called everyone who eats meat barbarians. You also called us savages at one point. Then you called those of us that hold plant life on the same level as animal life morons, even though there is evidence to show that plants do have feelings. So yes, you were trying to pick a fight with your first posts. You were using shock tactics, and that is very unbecoming. There is a reason why I dislike PETA, the NRA and Pro-Life extremists...they are fanatics that don't care what lies they tell or who they offend or attack in the pursuit of their cause.

[Omega Red]

Originally posted by the defenders
can someone translate this please? All I'm saying bluejake, is that I'm against meat eating and I see it as barberic. You may not see it that way. Where in here have I said that the government should take away your privilage of meat eating. I have no problem with you. It's just these people who act like idiots and talk about waving t-bone steaks in front of vegetarian's faces pi$$ me off!


Read the bible smart ass

[bluejake01]

Originally posted by the defenders
It's just these people who act like idiots and talk about waving t-bone steaks in front of vegetarian's faces pi$$ me off!

You started it with the name calling and the insults. You are getting in their face, expect the same in return, or be the bigger person and don't get in their face to begin with.

[Omega Red]

Originally posted by the defenders
can someone translate this please? All I'm saying bluejake, is that I'm against meat eating and I see it as barberic. You may not see it that way. Where in here have I said that the government should take away your privilage of meat eating. I have no problem with you. It's just these people who act like idiots and talk about waving t-bone steaks in front of vegetarian's faces pi$$ me off!


You know what pisses me off . People like you who think they are better then everyone and have a right to try a force feed your way of life to us. So if you want to force feed I am waving the t-bone

[the defenders]

So you are okay with them talking about waving T-Bones In people's faces?

Also, I hate the NRA and Pro-Life. They kill people and bomb abortion clinics. I'm not going around shooting meat eaters. All I'm trying to say is that it is barbaric in my mind.

Omega Red, f**k the bible. I'm an atheist. Don't try and prove your point with a religion I am not a member of.

[Omega Red]

Now I have the itch to Bar-b-que

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Omega Red
You know what pisses me off . People like you who think they are better then everyone and have a right to try a force feed your way of life to us. So if you want to force feed I am waving the t-bone

Who the hell is forcing you to not eat meat. I never said I wanted it to be illegal or inforced by the police or government. Did I ever say they should wave tofu in your face? NO!

[TheSumOfGod]

I'm a part-time vegetarian, I only eat chicken, and sometimes a little fish. F*** the chickens. They're stupid and they deserve to be killed and be eaten. Cows I have more sympathy for. They can be quite warm and affectionnate creatures.

[Omega Red]

Originally posted by the defenders
So you are okay with them talking about waving T-Bones In people's faces?

Also, I hate the NRA and Pro-Life. They kill people and bomb abortion clinics. I'm not going around shooting meat eaters. All I'm trying to say is that it is barbaric in my mind.

Omega Red, f**k the bible. I'm an atheist. Don't try and prove your point with a religion I am not a member of.


You know you keep digging your whole more and more. Dont try to prove my point with religion but font try to preach to mer

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Omega Red
Now I have the itch to Bar-b-que

Go ahead. You think I'm gonna cry over it.
I'll barbeque some tofu.

[bluejake01]

Originally posted by the defenders
So you are okay with them talking about waving T-Bones In people's faces?


No I am not OK with it, but you should expect such treatment when you get in people's faces. Either grow a thicker skin and stop acting like you are the victim here, when you attacked first, or be the bigger man and admit you were wrong and move on. You waved your own t-bone by insulting them and calling them murderers.

[bluejake01]

High level spokespeople of PETA have said they would gladly kill every meat eater. They also pass out terror producing, and vulgar material to people's children. PETA is a terrorist organization and though I dislike both groups, at least the NRA aren't targeting children. The NRA are just idiotic, and lose credibility by boycotting gun makers for including gun locks free of charge.

[the defenders]

Originally posted by Omega Red
You know you keep digging your whole more and more. Dont try to prove my point with religion but font try to preach to mer

Okay, despite your obvious hatred of typing correctly, I may be able to translate this and give you a responce. I'm not preaching to you, I'm just stating my point and people are so offended when I try and challenge their lifestyle. I don't blame you, you were probably raised with meat and it's hard not to eat. You have to see things through my eyes and you'll see what I get so pissed off. I see meat and to me its pain and suffering of an innocent animal. You blatantly cannot see this and you continue to attack me with the bible.
I may have gotten what you said wrong because you have trouble typing . Maybe you have mad-cow disease.;)

[the defenders]

I have problems with PETA too! I admitted I was wrong a while back but you missed that(maybe purposely). And not all PETA members are terrorists. I think it's stupid to kill or hurt in the name of animal rights. I'm a pacifist anyway. So don't associate me with idiots. It's like saying all Muslims are like the terrorist extremists.

[bluejake01]

Originally posted by the defenders
I see meat and to me its pain and suffering of an innocent animal.

Then here is an idea for you...file petitions, talk to your state representatives, lobby to change the system and the way livestock is treated, but don't attack those that are following their natural instinct to eat meat. Don't label all meat eaters under the same category and don't make assumptions about people. What you see as deplorable conditions that livestock is kept in, well that disturbs me too. Which is why I will only eat meat from certain sources that have adopted more human procedures. Either way, you shouldn't assume things about people...someone told me that...a few posts back ;)

[bluejake01]

Originally posted by the defenders
So don't associate me with idiots. It's like saying all Muslims are like the terrorist extremists.

Or like saying all meat eaters are murderers perhaps? ;)


BTW...I never said you were a member of PETA, I was talking about things that the organization has done...I never lumped you in with them.

[Grey Area]

Originally posted by the defenders
You have to see things through my eyes and you'll see what I get so pissed off. I see meat and to me its pain and suffering of an innocent animal. You blatantly cannot see this and you continue to attack me with the bible.
I may have gotten what you said wrong because you have trouble typing . Maybe you have mad-cow disease.;)

Maybe you should try and see things through our eye's. Have your stance - i dont care if people want to be veggies. It's the veggies that want us to stop eating meat that annoy me.

[the defenders]

Originally posted by bluejake01
Then here is an idea for you...file petitions, talk to your state pepresentatives, lobby to change the system and the way livestock is treated, but don't attack those that are following their natural instinct to eat meat. Don't label all meat eaters under the same category and don't make assumptions about people. What you see as deplorable conditions that livestock is kept in, well that disturbs me too. Which is why I will only eat meat from certain sources that have adopted more human procedures. Either way, you shouldn't assume things about people...someone told me that...a few posts back ;)

Exactly, but not enough is being done to stop these conditions. I intend to protest the uncoming bear hunt in my state, NJ. It is useless and stupid. No one has been killed by a bear and it's insane. The contractors own NJ and it's horrible. They have so many useless buildings that can be knocked down instead of trees. Btw, free ranged chick is a really great improvement to other form of animal farming.

[the defenders]

Originally posted by bluejake01
Or like saying all meat eaters are murderers perhaps? ;)


BTW...I never said you were a member of PETA, I was talking about things that the organization has done...I never lumped you in with them.

okay

[bluejake01]

Do you see what I am saying though? You cannot get your point across by anger and insults. You are young yet I assume, since you talked about stunted growth, and being the right size for your age. Someday you will see that there are much more effective ways to be heard.

[Fox Mulder]

Originally posted by bluejake01
Is he plump and juicy, or stringy?
Is that supposed to be funny?

[the defenders]

Originally posted by bluejake01
Do you see what I am saying though? You cannot get your point across by anger and insults. You are young yet I assume, since you talked about stunted growth, and being the right size for your age. Someday you will see that there are much more effective ways to be heard.

yes I know what your saying. And yes, i'm "young" by most standards so yeah.