Invincible

[Colossal Spoons]

I'd like an Ultimates monthly title, please :o

[Dread]

There is one that is written by Loeb and with art by Joe Mad.

If you meant a GOOD one, well, that's different. :p

[Colossal Spoons]

Ouch lol. I like v3

[Colossal Spoons]

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9164/brothernl8.png


:eek:

[Dread]

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9164/brothernl8.png


:eek:

If that shocks you, you ain't seen nothin' yet. Keep riding the ride, friend...;)

[Colossal Spoons]

Easily the best series I've ever read. And it's not even an X-book :o:p

[Colossal Spoons]

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/7100/markevepl2.png

YES!

And just when I thought Mark and Amber were getting along too well :o

[Dread]

Easily the best series I've ever read. And it's not even an X-book :o:p

Toldja. It has become my favorite comic series for a reason. ;)

[Colossal Spoons]

I am all caught up, that didn't take too long. Now I have to sit and wait for #48 like the rest of you guys :(

[Spike_x1]

48's already out. ;):up:

[Colossal Spoons]

Hot damn, early Christmas gift :D

[Dread]

I am all caught up, that didn't take too long. Now I have to sit and wait for #48 like the rest of you guys :(

Nice new avatar. Go Omni-Boy! :D

[Anubis]

Is that the name they gave him, or did you just make that up? Cuz I like it. :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, I can dig it lol

[Spike_x1]

I think that's the name he's going to have, judging just by the costume he's wearing in the preview covers we've seen so far.

[Colossal Spoons]

I haven't seen these. Hmmm

[Dread]

Repost, because it is related material

INVINCIBLE PRESENTS: ATOM EVE #2: When this spin-off was solicted my first reaction was disturbance that the simple INVINCIBLE title was branching out into spin-off's, a feat that has stretched thin nearly every comic book franchise you can think of into market oblivion. Having finished this and then the interviews in the back, I will admit I probably overreacted (something I think I inherited from one of my parents) and that at the moment there seems to be no rush to suck the well dry. Heck, Kirkman's tried to make INVINCIBLE and some other books, such as CAPES, BRIT, WOLF-MAN, and ones he doesn't even write or edit such as NOBLE CAUSES, DYNAMO 5 and SAVAGE DRAGON tie together, so in a way this feels natural.

This 2-parter took about 2 years to be published between script re-writes and finding the right artist, but in the end I think it is better that it was released NOW and not in 2005, because of where INVINCIBLE is right now. In that book, Mark is finally going to collide with the truly dark and ugly side of government, and as Eve's story unfolds, her whole life has actually been part of that. In this issue, Ericson & Rodgers, the spooks from the Pentagon, send out their genetic experiment kids out to capture Atom Eve, and one of them lashes out about how they've suffered by being compared to her, "the perfect experiment". Naturally Eve knows little about this other than what her "father" the Doc said. It results in a bloody finale where the Doc is murdered and Eve's full potential is unlocked. The fact that she wears no mask as an older heroine is given more significance, although after all this I wonder why the heck Eve would have kept some ties with the fed via working with the Global Guardians for as long as she did. I know, a lot of it was getting close to Mark, but still, damn, she goes through a ringer here.

I do appreciate this look into a key INVINCIBLE character and it will play out well in the long run once Mark discovers Cecil's Reanimen project. I can easily see her joining him, or at least supporting him and understanding. It may even bring them closer. Benito Cereno naturally was able to capture enough of Kirkman's voice that it flows well and I liked Nate Bellegarde's art, least for this. The Cory Walker covers were boss, too. Cereno has a Rex Splode story he hopes see publishing, and who knows. Allen the Alien is also a no-brainer. I am hesitant about expanding things but INVINCIBLE is nearing the half-century mark and these are only mini's. For what it is, a great treat for Invincible fans to get to know Eve better. Plus, in the interview, Kirkman and Cereno play, "6 Degrees of Phil Hester", which was cute. A nice addition to any INVINCIBLE fan.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Why the hell does Mark keep getting his ass kicked? I know he holds back and blah blah blah, but wtf? This is starting to seem like dragon ball z. Mark gets beat up, then comes back stronger, gets beat up comes back stronger.

But, yeah Invincible is 1.876 million times better than DBZ. Just saying....

[Spike_x1]

It's not really like DBZ, in my opinion. It's just making it obvious that Mark is no Superman; he's definitely not the strongest thing in the Image Universe, so why shouldn't he get beaten up whenever he faces someone stronger?

[ihateusernames]

I don't know if it was mark getting beat up that caused him to faint, I just have a feeling theres something more sinister behind it.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

It's not really like DBZ, in my opinion. It's just making it obvious that Mark is no Superman; he's definitely not the strongest thing in the Image Universe, so why shouldn't he get beaten up whenever he faces someone stronger?

I'm just being difficult :D

[Dread]

Why the hell does Mark keep getting his ass kicked? I know he holds back and blah blah blah, but wtf? This is starting to seem like dragon ball z. Mark gets beat up, then comes back stronger, gets beat up comes back stronger.

But, yeah Invincible is 1.876 million times better than DBZ. Just saying....

Actually, Mark hadn't been outright TKO'd by a villain in a while. In fact quite often he was going on about how much tougher he was now and smacks them down. Anyssa didn't even TKO him.

There are some comparisons to DBZ, only INVINCIBLE is written well and doesn't forget the little supporting characters.

Besides, the situation is there for Cecil to send in his Reanimen to rescue everyone and then Mark to get pissed about it.

[Anubis]

Man, the ending to that Atom Eve Special was pretty damn hardcore. That's one of the most f**ked up superhero origins i've ever read, and it's even been done before, but still....

[Dread]

Man, the ending to that Atom Eve Special was pretty damn hardcore. That's one of the most f**ked up superhero origins i've ever read, and it's even been done before, but still....

Yeah, it is amazing she isn't all emo about it either.

I'd be surprised if she didn't at least understand Mark's inevitable split from the government. Like I said in my review, the timing of her series actually was pretty good, read alongside the build-up to Invincible #50.

[Anubis]

Well, Kirkman did say she would be a pretty big part of what's to come with Vince in the coming issues. Might bring them closer together.

[Dread]

Well, Kirkman did say she would be a pretty big part of what's to come with Vince in the coming issues. Might bring them closer together.

SOMETHING's gotta. :word:

[Dread]

On tonight's episode of KING OF THE HILL, Bobby was reading a very familiar looking comic named "Unvincible". I thought it was cool. :up:

[GoldenAgeHero]

creators must be a fan of the comic...i guess.

[MetalloX]

The last issue was pretty weak but #49 makes up for it.
Also: Who is this new Darkwing? i think i remember reading an invincible issue about him.

[Da Docta]

One of the original members of the Guardians of the Globe.

[MetalloX]

One of the original members of the Guardians of the Globe.

I ment the African-american one which appears this issue.

[Da Docta]

The original was also black. :huh:

Anyway, I just read it and yeah he appeared in issue #21.

[MetalloX]

The original was also black. :huh:

Anyway, I just read it and yeah he appeared in issue #21.

No - The original (The rip-off of batman appeared in the ripoff of the justice league was white) #7.

[Da Docta]

Ah yes, my mistake.

[Dread]

Reposting my review:

INVINCIBLE #49: Running so terribly behind that Image doesn't even attach months to their promos for the 50th issue anymore, because they have no clue if any deadline can be kept. Yes, if this was a Marvel book, solicted as a monthly but often on the verge of bi-monthly, I'd be *****ing up a storm. But I don't here because Image is a smaller company and this is my favorite book. We all play favorites, and anyone who claims not to is a fraud.

We continue from last month's cliffhanger, where Doc Seismic has captured pretty much every superhero in the "Image/Kirkmaniverse", including the title hero, in his scheme for revenge and relevance. This forces Mark & Eve to, uh, "get close" to each other for a page and naturally, as many predicted, this leads Cecil to have to employ his "Shadow Initiative" -esque squad. While the Reanimen was obvious, I DIDN'T expect Darkwing of all people to be leading the charge. No, not the duck, but the former sidekick of the hero Omni-Man murdered, last seen back in the second HC or so, after Mark was sent to investigate a series of murders in Darkwing's hometown, on Cecil's behest, and found out that Darkie'd been going about killing people. It was cool seeing him again and a good start to this twist in the status quo that Kirkman is building. Cecil buried the truth about Darkwing II to the media, so the rest of the heroes disapprove when Mark suddenly starts to fight Darkwing. Considering how his father "turned" and how some people are still wary of Invincible because of that (see the 42nd issue), I wonder if this act will get some of Mark's allies to not be so friendly in the future. Mark naturally confronts Cecil, finds D.A. Sinclair in his employ, and naturally does not agree with using criminals as paid help, not when there are more noble heroes about. The issue ends with Mark walking into a trap, and the stage is set for issue #50. Considering her own origins from the 2-parter, Eve would have every reason to believe Mark and side with him on this, and I hope she does. She's literally a product of shady government types. This is Mark's first encounter with that dark side, but Eve faced it down in her tween days. But that's in the future. Ottley once again rocks on art and gets in some great splash panels.

The book is really review proof. Those who read it usually love it, and those that don't, well, don't read it. If you like superhero comics, few on the market manage to combine everything quite like INVINCIBLE has for nearly 5 years now. There are plenty of other books I enjoy but this has been my rock ever since the HC's. And unlike some other titles, who sometimes are on the verge of cancellation, or get canceled, INVINCIBLE looks like it will be around for a good long time.

[GoldenAgeHero]

I don't really care if image is a smaller company issue 50 should be out this month no matter what. issue 47 came out and dec.skipped JAN. 48 in feb..49 this month. theres no excuse for not having issue 49 and 50 due ourt this monht of march.

[Colossal Spoons]

Just read 48-49. Cecil is a grimey dude.

[Anubis]

Pretty Intense issue. Can't wait to see the beat down Vince puts on Cecil.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, I've been waiting for Mark to leave the organization for a while now. Now that he's quitting school, he doesn't need their money :up:

[Dread]

Yeah, I've been waiting for Mark to leave the organization for a while now. Now that he's quitting school, he doesn't need their money :up:

But part of why he didn't care about school was because working for the government paid better than most jobs anyway. He got comfortable working for Cecil, which is why it is a good time for a change.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I don't really care if image is a smaller company issue 50 should be out this month no matter what. issue 47 came out and dec.skipped JAN. 48 in feb..49 this month. theres no excuse for not having issue 49 and 50 due ourt this monht of march.

Kirkman also writes at least two other comics right now that I know of right off the top of my head so give the guy a break.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

IMHO I think after this act of betrayal it may push him more towards his father's original views and maybe goes a little rogue or he uses his brother against him.

Anyone think that Marks brother is going to catch up to him or surpass Mark?

[Colossal Spoons]

I think Mark's little bro will catch up to him if anything. I hope his blue-alien DNA grants him some other sorts of abilities too though :up:

[Egotastic]

Yeah, me too. Eventually he'll surpass Mark. I wonder if he'll side with the Viltumites when they come back. That could make for some uber-dramatic storytelling.

[Colossal Spoons]

Mark, Omni-Man, and the CoP vs The Viltrumites and Oliver



I wish Ollie were on the other sie :(

[Egotastic]

Kirkman's totally setting Ollie up to go bad. Mark my words.

[Colossal Spoons]

I don't think Ollie will be bad, but he'll be a bit "rough" while dealing w/ criminals. He's Mr.Immortal Jr.

[Egotastic]

He's going bad. He's going to be so bad that he's going to develop darkened eye sockets. :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

Hahaha, what is this Naruto?

[Egotastic]

What the hell is Naruto?

[Colossal Spoons]

Japanese Anime/Manga. You can usually tell who's bad or going to turn bad by looking at their eye sockets lol

[Egotastic]

Oh. I try to limit my anime/manga intake to zero. :up:

[Anubis]

It's actually quite good in small doses. I watched the 100 episode marathon and nearly bit through my tongue once. What I saw between moments of unconsciousness was kinda awesome though.

[JackBauer]

So when does issue 50 arrive? I kind of want to read it...

[echostation]

is issue 50 out for purchase yet??? I'm addicted to this series? I thought number 50 would've been out by now

[Colossal Spoons]

So when does the issue after 49 go on sale!!??

[JackBauer]

So when does the issue after 49 go on sale!!??

I'm over issue 50! When is #67 coming?

[Harlekin]

So I just gone done reading the eight volume. Still loving it, but what's up with the colouring of Allen the Alien?

[Colossal Spoons]

Has he changed color?

[Harlekin]

He's purple when he recovers from the attack he suffered way way back from Vultrimites (or whatever they're called), but then goes back to reddish.

[Colossal Spoons]

That is weird. Hopefully just an inker mistake

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

He's purple when he recovers from the attack he suffered way way back from Vultrimites (or whatever they're called), but then goes back to reddish.


I think it s supossed to signify his change. He seems to be special among his people so that could be why he has changed color now that he is more powerful and seems to recover like a Sajiyn.

When mortally wounded he becomes stronger. Although this has only happened once thus far so we don't know if it will continue to happen or not.

It also may signify that he is immortal, in a way.

[블라스]

Just received the first Ultimate Collection from Amazon.
One issue in.....really, really good so far.

[JackBauer]

Just received the first Ultimate Collection from Amazon.
One issue in.....really, really good so far.

Wait til you get to issue 7 ;)

[Andy C.]

Okay, so I've read volumes 1-7, but I'm still not caught up with the series. How many more issues are there to get before I'm up to speed?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Right now they are on issue 48/49 I think. Not sure where volume 7 leaves you off at but that should answer your question.

[블라스]

Wait til you get to issue 7 ;)

Goddamn, that was...shocking :wow: :huh:
This book is making me love superhero stuff again :yay:

[Anubis]

Works everytime.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Works everytime.

Word :up:

[JackBauer]

Goddamn, that was...shocking :wow: :huh:
This book is making me love superhero stuff again :yay:

I know right?!

But wait til you get to issue 49! :grin:

[블라스]

Damn you! :cmad:
Ok, I finished the first Ultimate collection and Invincible has a new fan.
I was seriously burned out on superhero stuff, but that has changed now.
It's such a great book, I must get the 2nd. HC now!

Btw, issue #7 was shocking, that's for sure, but...

#12, where Nolan reveals the actual truth to Mark

....damn, I almost soiled my pants :(

[JackBauer]

Damn you! :cmad:
Ok, I finished the first Ultimate collection and Invincible has a new fan.
I was seriously burned out on superhero stuff, but that has changed now.
It's such a great book, I must get the 2nd. HC now!

Btw, issue #7 was shocking, that's for sure, but...

#12, where Nolan reveals the actual truth to Mark

....damn, I almost soiled my pants :(

That was awesome alright, but issue 7 definitely wins for standalone moment.

"You... I never liked you."

"The feeling was mutual."

'Badass' doesn't even begin to describe it.

[Anubis]

Yeah, most shocking moment i've ever read. Well, that and that issue of Preacher where that thing happened to Tulip at Jessie's Grandma's house.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

So I just read Issue 50 and it was pretty much what I expected. Although I was hoping for Mark to give Cecil more of a beat down than that. I also don't understand why these super powered heroes end up in these situations where someone has something, a gun a weapon or something and says if you even think about moving...ummm these people are super fast they could move, grab, crush, take, stop or whatever before you even noticed they had done so.

Anyway other than that, I was also a little disappointed with such a huge build up basically over the past six months and the issue is only have of what you buy and there really isn't any big surprise. But I am interested to see where things go. Plus I didn't expect Mark to get the team on his side either.

But overall I liked it. :up:

[Anubis]

Damn youse and your spoilers. It sits there....mocking me.....

[Hans]

I really liked #50, but I also thought the ending was really abrupt. All of the exchanges between Cecil and Mark were ****ing perfect, though. Easily some of the best scenes in the entire series. :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I do what I can Anubis, I do what I can...:D

[Anubis]

Theres a special place in hell for people like you. I'll probably be right there next to you. :o

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Word :up: Although just to let you know I am driving there. I already arranged it and everything :D

[Anubis]

Okay, but when you hit that highway to hell, remember not to pick up any hitchikers. Unless you wanna be raped by Judas, or Hitler or John Wayne.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

What about Charlton Heston? I can pick him up right?

[Anubis]

Whatever you do....DO NOT PICK UP HESTON!

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

:up:

[Anubis]

I mean, sure he tells great stories, and will offer you cool guns....but is that worth the anal trauma? No. I think not.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Well I don't know how cool his stories would be, plus he would probably sign me up for a lifetime membership with the NRA. Not cool at all.

[The_Mystery]

Can someone tell me exactly what happens in Invincible #50? I would appreciate it, thanks.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Look at the cover and bam. There you go. That's pretty much what happens. No real surprises.

[JackBauer]

Well, it was pretty much what everyone expected, save for a couple of things, like some of the other heroes following Mark, and Mark and Eve finally getting on.

It didn't have the same shock factor as the Nolan thing did (then again, almost nothing ever does), but it did leave me wanting more as much as that issue did.

Now all we need is Nolan teaming up with Allen to kick some Viltrumite a$$. :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Well, it was pretty much what everyone expected, save for a couple of things, like some of the other heroes following Mark, and Mark and Eve finally getting on.

It didn't have the same shock factor as the Nolan thing did (then again, almost nothing ever does), but it did leave me wanting more as much as that issue did.

Now all we need is Nolan teaming up with Allen to kick some Viltrumite a$$. :up:

Word :up:

[Dread]

Reposting my review:

INVINCIBLE #50: After long delays and a horribly delayed schedule (this issue was once solicted for Jan. 2008), Kirkman's Image franchise reaches the half-century mark. We get a double sized issue for $4.99 that naturally resolves some questions and leaves things in a new status quo. I will admit, it isn't nearly as earth-shattering as taggers would have you believe. Part of that is probably due to delays, and the fact that this development was a natural progression from revelations made over the past 5-6 issues. You expected this to happen, and it did. No surprises here, really. Frankly, no shocker in this series will ever top the Omni-Man reveal, but I like that Kirkman tries. Note there is a difference between a "shocker" and a "story". There are stories in Invincible I've enjoyed more than the reveal after that first year, but MAN, that was a nice status-quo breaker.

This one feels more like another stage in maturation. By that I mean Mark no longer taking Cecil at face value upon discovering the man has some deep skeletons in his closet to protect the world. Another quibble is that a lot of the drama depends on you being shocked, SHOCKED, that a government run agency tasked with defending the world would do shady things with shady people to do so. This has been a comic book staple for about 40+ years, and especially within the past eight (and extra especially after CIVIL WAR). Heck, you'd probably have a harder time finding a major franchise storyline in which a government agency proved to NOT be corrupt or borderline wicked. Granted, this is a classic fictional staple precisely because these things go hand in hand. INVINCIBLE has often been an homage to superhero stories as much as it is one itself, and this is probably no exception.

What works is naturally the execution, the lines, and of course, the art of Ryan Ottley.

Faced with a new generation of Reanimen made by a Pentagon-hired D.A. Sinclair (in addition to the murderous Darkwing being on the payroll), Mark demands accountability, deeming it a conflict of morality. Especially since, well, Cecil once ordered Mark to take Darkwing down, as well as the Reanimen. Cecil sees it as putting to use figures that would otherwise rot in prison, especially during an emergency. Mark sees it as an injustice to their victims, living and dead. Mark is hopelessly outnumbered by Reanimen, especially as it turns out that the mic that Cecil implanted into Mark's ear way back in HC #1 actually has a fail-safe that hurts him by basically bombarding his equilibrium, which is more sensitive than a normal man due to him needing to fly. This, actually, felt like a logical sort of weakness (rather than plot convenient stuff like green rocks) and the beating Invincible gets naturally has that Kirkman trademark brutality, even if a bit brief. In attempting to outfly Cecil and his remote control, Mark crashes into the Guardians' base and the team is quickly split over battling Cecil. Cecil, for his part, overreacts and has his Reanimen attack the team even when he could have still tried to reason with them (or at least some of them). Robot saves Mark from the device and the young Viltrumite is officially "fired" from government service. The scene from the cover comes into play when Mark angrilly threatens Cecil to not go near his family, especially his brother, Oliver. On the other hand, the Grayson family will have to survive without Cecil's payroll or connections (like Oliver's teacher), just at a time when Mark decided to drop out of college.

Despite the quibbles, this is a major shift. Cecil has been Mark's mentor and "boss" since Omni-Man turned traitor, and seeing the old man's darker sides naturally is another mountain to overcome. It means that Mark will have to stand on his own and not rely on the fed to bail him out. With Anyssa waiting on the sidelines for Mark to lose his faith in humanity, that Viltrumite War could not be coming at a worse time for him.

The Guardians are split, with Robot seeking to reorganize the old Teen Team, but the issue ends on a positive note as Mark & Eve FINALLY get it on. The final panel is classic Kirkman and very funny.

The back up stories include an origin for Cecil, and it proved to be a good one as ironically, Cecil was a "by the books" moralist like Mark until the rigors of reality set in.

Cory Walker returns to pen the first installment of a Science Dog strip, and it was quirky fun, and I hope there is more of it, a la' CAPES.

INVINCIBLE is still my favorite superhero book overall, but hopefully the schedule improves. It also is a shame that Crabtree the colorist is officially leaving the franchise. Godspeed.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

i loved 50, to bad i had to wait to get it tho.

[Dread]

I hope the gap between issues can shorten somewhat.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I doubt it.

[drastic_quench]

I'm back. From outer space....

So now that issue 50 has hit the stands,
The Complete Invincible Library Volume 2

can't be far behind. Right? RIGHT? Man, I love those collections.

[P.F. Geraci]

The new colorist has got to go.

[echostation]

new issue is quite good although slow... more like filler stuff, i love the ending though

[Dread]

Reposting my review, with spoilers.

INVINCIBLE #51: My favorite superhero comic, it has also become plagued by massive delays. This issue was solicted last year, and is maybe 3-6 months behind schedule. Granted, Ottley takes a few weeks to draw every issue, but Kirkman often assumes blame for lateness, too. After all, he also writes about 5-6 more comics in addition to this. Hopefully things can get more on track since Kirkman is no longer on ULTIMATE X-MEN, although he is working on a DESTROYER Max Mini. Still, while Kirkman is a nice guy and all, it does get grating after a while to get a new issue about 3 months instead of monthly, which it should be. The fact that Kirkman will be taking on more duties at Image may contribute to this problem.

The climatic issue #50 is over and the resolution to that break-up of the Global Guardians over Cecil's gray morality. Rex, Robot, Monster Girl, Bulletproof, and Eve move back into their old digs, but debate on a name. But most of the issue focuses on Mark and his little brother Oliver "training" together, especially with flying. It reminded me of earlier issues where Mark is training with his father or even learning from him. Even when they were fighting the Viltrumites on Mantis World, Nolan did try to teach Mark how to use his powers. This allows Mark to pass on his knowledge to Oliver and without saddling him with a marriage (yet), it allows a sense of legacy to enter the equation. There are the hints of tensions to mount, moreso than just Oliver's eagerness. Unlike Mark, Oliver never saw the "dark side" of Nolan and wants to honor him to more of a blatant degree than Mark does. This could lead to a conflict when Nolan inevitably returns to their lives. Oliver's half-Mantis DNA also allows him to improve at a faster rate than Mark did at comparable age and I wonder if Oliver could surpass Mark before long. The kid gets an Art-designed costume (even if the codename is still up for debate). No longer able to rely on Cecil for Intel, Mark basically is reduced to his mother calling him about breaking news stories, which has to feel like a drag.

Titan sets out to fulfill the request of his fellow "Order" mobsters by freeing Multi-Paul from prison with some goons, who Oliver and Invincible (in his new blue/black costume) thwart, but not before Oliver's overeagerness almost gets him killed. Meanwhile, the Mauler twins make their return, Mrs. Grayson's new boyfriend learns about Mark's superhero identity, and the final page reveals a seemingly dead villain who is very much alive.

This is FCO Plascencia's first issue on coloring after Crabtree's exit and he works well enough with Ottley's pencils, although it does take some getting used to. The Jim Lee cover seemed like a bit of a stunt, but it good for a book like INVINCIBLE to get some sort of big league attention. Mark's new costume takes a bit getting used to, considering he is using the same color scheme as Blue Beetle now (another teen hero book I read), and while Art's defense of it sounded like Kirkman trying to convince the audience, I'm not completely sold. Still, it works fine. The action isn't a major deal as Invincible's just fighting some mooks he can clearly overpower now, and that kind of growth and development in the character is one of many things that keep the book awesome. Plus, I do like the little moments, and this issue has a few with Eve. This is a set-up issue, but it is an entertaining one.

Now if only this book could come out more than 8-9 times a year...

[Spike_x1]

Heh, my letter was printed in the new issue. :woot:

[Dread]

Heh, my letter was printed in the new issue. :woot:

Really? That's cool.

I'd send a letter, but I really would have nothing worthwhile or notable to ask or say. :p

[AlteredEgo]

Heh, my letter was printed in the new issue. :woot:
whatd you say and what was his response?

[Spike_x1]

It was the letter asking about Tech Jacket's role in the Kirkman Universe.

[Anubis]

Hey, did anybody check this s**t out?

http://www.invincibleseries.com/

[Jakk]

The ironic part is that that's the sole reason I'm here. I saw it on TV, went "Invincible, sweet!" then "What the f*** is this s***?"

Honestly, it's horrible. It's just a still picture of the panels with speech bubbles and bad VOs with the occasional "animation" (And by that, I man the panel shaking about.)

:(

[Dread]

Hey, did anybody check this s**t out?

http://www.invincibleseries.com/

That is pretty cool. I'm not one for "motion comics", usually I just like comics or animation. But I must say, the voice acting is pretty good. :up:

[Anubis]

Comics for lazy bastards too lazy to actually read. Genius!! I think I got my brother to watch it.

[P.F. Geraci]

Issue #51 was sweeet. But yes, the "animated" Invincible is horse-****. I got all excited thinking we were actually going to get a cartoon and it's just sound effects, voice-over and oh yeah, a shaking panel when there's action. I don't need people to read a comic book for me, I can do that in my head myself.

[AlteredEgo]

i, too, think that the invincible "motion comic" thing is total **** and a cop-out. :csad:

[Anubis]

better than nothing I say.

[Dread]

I like that INVINCIBLE is getting more exposure no matter what. I mean, hey, even KING OF THE HILL homaged it in an episode this season. Still, I do agree with the sentiment that I would love to see a full motion animated series of INVINCIBLE. Keep the violent action, sell it to the Adult Swim crowd, it could really work.

Still, like I said, the voice acting is pretty good for the "web-comics".

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

Any one think that Angstrom Levy looks little like brainiac? with the round disks in his head.

[Anubis]

He looks like a guy who got his head smashed in and has to use machines to keep his head from collapsing in upon itself.

[Colossal Spoons]

Hey, did anybody check this s**t out?

http://www.invincibleseries.com/

Pretty cool :up:

[Anubis]

So, Issue 52. I'm likeing the new colorist. He draws blood and gore quite well, and with this latest issue, well, there was plenty to go around. Wow. Oliver, just......wow. And that ending! :eek: Say it ain't so Vince. Say it ain't so. :(

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

awesome comic this ish. kirkman knows how to tell a story.

[Anubis]

Yeah, not quite as much of a "Holy S**T!!" issue as number 7, but man, it's certainly up there.

[Dread]

Repost of my review, with spoilers:

INVINCIBLE #52: Still hands down my favorite superhero book around, although quite a few Marvel books tie it, INVINCIBLE has also seen it's share of delays. Not as bad as ASTOUNDING WOLF-MAN, but enough to feel noticed, and make the book feel a bit rare, shipping at a bimonthly pace most times. The cover implies a fight but don't be fooled; the conflict between Mark and his speed-growing half-brother Oliver is more in ideals and philosophy than fisticuffs.

The Mauler Twins are back and have plowed through the same missle silo that the Lizard League tried conquering a few issues ago. They have some Maguffin gun that allowed them to beat the Global Guardians and set off to use a nuke to fry the world's satellites (while arguing that "controlling" the world isn't the same as "taking it over". Feh, even bad guys argue over semantics). Invincible still isn't recognized in his new costume and is being thought to be a new hero called "Invinciboy" based on his TV gaffe; without Cecil's intel, Mark is reduced to waiting until his mom spots something on CNN to leap into action, which is a change but in a way grounds Mark a bit for me. "Kid Omni-Man" insists on tagging along and while Mark tends to the nuke, Oliver tends to the Maulers...

And slays them.

Everyone was expecting a quirky kid sidekick here, but in this issue Kirkman reveals a darker side to the boy, reminding us that while Mark may be half-human and raised with their sentiments, Oliver isn't, and hasn't. He's half Viltrumite, half Mantis. He lived most of his childhood with Nolan. The way the Mantis people's physiology was (they would be born, absorb a lot of data, reproduce, and die in a very short time span), Oliver as a baby was likely absorbing months or years worth of memories and input. Oliver hasn't experienced Nolan's "dark side" like Mark did, and views Earth as an outsider (even with tutoring). Maybe having Oliver NOT be lock step with Mark is predictable in itself, but I think it flows well with the tone of the last story. Mark is growing up a bit and has learned by example that people he trusts can have alterior motives that he doesn't agree with, and can outright lie or manipulate him. Cecil was an ally and even mentor at times, and he was stashing Mark's enemies behind his back. In some ways, Oliver is more of a realist, while Mark's idealism is being tested now. While Mark at least tries to repress his "Viltrumite temper", Oliver doesn't. Mark also is being forced into a mentor role with a kid a lot sooner than he expected, and seeing him go from rookie hero to someone trying to teach another like himself is refreshing for a fan of some comics that seem to never advance or progress. INVINCIBLE isn't one of those.

Fco Plascencia's color still take some getting used to, but he uses an added effect to the gore scenes that makes them seem more distinct. It takes some getting used to, and it seems like a bit more effort (I liked how the blood would match the cartoony look of Ottley's pencils, making the gore more jarring), but it seems he wants to try to aim for a look of real blood over what Kirkman usually quipped "ketchup".

Oliver, thinking like an alien who is not quite "native" yet, feels it illogical to leave bad guys alive and doesn't believe all humans are precious lives. Mark admits that he does "sometimes" agree with his father, especially (by implication) now. In the letter page, Kirkman is proud of the next 7 issues or so and things really are heating up on this book after a bit of a while in a "status quo", with the only drawback being the wait between issues. The fact that Kirkman's role at Image has become larger likely won't help that time frame any.

Considering the Mauler Twins are perpetually clonable, I doubt they are dead forever. I also am interested in the LONG overdue return of Titan the Gangster. I mean, that plot point was dropped, literally over two years ago. After all the time in space I am fine with some more down-to-earth stuff like has been happening now.

Invincible also took an exploding nuclear warhead to the body and didn't seem terribly fazed. Either he got far enough way (distance in space is hard to gauge), or he's REALLY gotten tougher. Considering his reaction, probably the latter, which is cool.

As always, a pleasure every 22 pages I get. I just hate that it's become so rare. Of course, so are gems.

[Hans]

I like that INVINCIBLE is getting more exposure no matter what. I mean, hey, even KING OF THE HILL homaged it in an episode this season. Still, I do agree with the sentiment that I would love to see a full motion animated series of INVINCIBLE. Keep the violent action, sell it to the Adult Swim crowd, it could really work.

It did? How?

[Dread]

It did? How?

In one episode, Bobby was seen reading a comic on his bed. The title on the cover was "UNVINCIBLE" and the hero on the cover looked quite like Invincible, only with a different color scheme.

[Hans]

Oh, sweet. I wonder if that was in the script, or just something the animator threw in.

[Dread]

I don't know.

December solicts are up and claim that INVINCIBLE and ASTOUNDING WOLF-MAN are crossing over, with Invincible out to apprehend Wolfy. It sounds good, if both can actually ship on time that month.

[Terraneaux]

Kirkman claims that he will be more on time now that his coronation is over and done with. We will see.

Good god, why do comics that involve little kids tearing people in half make me so happy? The new colorist really knows their stuff.

[Dread]

Yeah, the new colorist is fine, and I like his coloring for blood. Not that it was ever an issue, but Kirkman himself used to claim it often looked like "paint" or "ketchup" in letters pages. Now it looks more like actual blood.

And, yeah, Kirkman claims now that he has sworn off outside work (which means his DESTROYER MAX mini from Marvel with Cory Walker may not come out, unless he already submitted his scripts and that is his last for Marvel) and is strictly an Image guy now, which should help. I'll miss him at Marvel but I understand the move. He is to Image what Mike Mignola is to Dark Horse, IMO.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Yeah, they've been hypin us up for issue #50 and everything lately has just been "meh"


In response to a discussion we were having in the Hip Hop thread.

I agree and I think Kirkman is being exposed for the hack he is!

Ok well maybe not hack but his comics (at least Invincible & TWD) certainly have suffered lately. It may be due to one of several factors.

1. He is just doing too much and it is stretching him thin. It's one thing to be writing several different comics but it's another to be doing that and barely able to make the deadlines when all you're doing is writing comics, writing a movie script, becoming a co-owner in Image Comics, in negotiations for merchandising rights (toys, tv shows, etc.) and doing who knows what else with his time.

2. He is a hack and it is starting to show. People may disagree with me on this but hey, the guy has some pretty cool ideas but is he really a great writer? There is a difference between the two and TWD certainly has declined in quality (imho) over the last 8-12 issues. Invincible seems to be suffering as well but there does seem to be something brewing that could lead to a huge story arch that is going to be bad ass. (Allen the Alien and Oliver, Omni boy vs. Invincible, invasion of the Virtumites.)

3. The comics are no longer fresh and new, we've seen them for some time and there is little Kirkman can do to keep them at such high levels. Maybe he started off to good too fast for his own good and can only fall from such a high podium.

[Colossal Spoons]

Let me read the latest issue and I'll be ready to converse! :D

[Anubis]

I think you're full of s**t and both books are as awesome as they have always been.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Really? I mean what has been going on with TWD? Nothing, the arch with the Governor took way too long.

And with Invincible he is already bring back armstrong levy? I mean why? He is supposed to be dead. And why hasn't he done anything with Allen the Alien or Nolan? When was the last time we saw them?

I used to not be able to wait to read the next issue of either series. Not when one comes out I am like "Oh it came out this week? I'm so used to them being months behind."

I would stay up as late as was possible to read through them and catch up. Now when one comes out I get to it when I get to it.

I am not the only one that feels this way.

[AlteredEgo]

yeah i do think the quality of some of kirkman's books are declining. dont think he's a hack though. just spread a little thin. i mean, when you have fewer books, you can take your best ideas and put them in to those projects. the more projects you have, the more you have to spread those ideas around. :/

at least thats my theory.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

That's why I posted a few. I don't think he is a hack either. I mean a hack is someone like Lefield. We'll see where Kirkman is in 5-20 years.

[Dread]

In a way I can understand some criticism of Kirkman. I still enjoy INVINCIBLE immensely and that feeling hasn't wavered in all this time. Are some stories better than others? Sure. If anything, I think what happens is that it can take a long time for Kirkman to follow up on subplots. For example, he is FINALLY getting into Titan after, literally, about 2-3 years. Other subplots like the Allen and Nolan stuff are dragging and there is that feeling of a lot of stories thrown up in the air and landing at random.

Still, though, there is only so much one can cram into 22 pages a month and I usually feel most INVINCIBLE stories are worth the wait.

I was hardly thrilled for the idea of Levy coming back, although considering he was an alternate reality dude, it was always possible. Those guys are a ***** to kill.

[the dmg]

Thanks to my friend, I'm hooked on Invincible. I'm about to get started on Volumes 8 and 9, and I want to know what happens next.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Freaking Finally!
Looks like the wait won't be too much longer, Issue 55 I finally get what I want!

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b81/spazz_hero/InvCov55color.jpg

[Colossal Spoons]

Ok, just read 52. Really liked the issue. Oliver is badass. Dangerous, but badass. I totally get where he's coming from regarding killing villains but Mark's right about him being so care-free about it. I thought their talk in the sky was just going to hint at their falling out in the future, but hearing Mark agree w/ Oliver at the end planted a whole new set of seeds :up:

[Dread]

Reposting my review of issue #53, with spoilers:

INVINCIBLE #53: This issue comes on the heels of some interesting developments in the world of Robert Kirkman. He's become more of an inside Image man, disavowing Marvel and work for the Big Two in general. So much so that he debated Bendis at a Newsarama moderated debate over what is better, Creator vs. Company work for aspiring writers. While I like Kirkman a great deal, and am more than aware of "the big two" screwing their creators, Kirkman verges on hypocrisy a bit here. He worked for Marvel for several years until very recently, and one of his runs was an over 2 year run on ULTIMATE X-MEN, a title that may as well be NEW AVENGERS in the eyes of most independent creators and indies. The details of the split, in the midst of his plans for a DESTROYER MAX series with Cory Walker, haven't been stated, but they likely were ugly.

The crux of the debate was that while creator owned work is the best way to build a personal empire around your own creators, such as Kirkman himself, or Mike Mignola (or the eternal example, Eastman and Laird of TMNT), company work helps you pay your bills in the short term. Kirkman was able to do both. He worked on "big two" stuff while launching and running Image titles and I am sure it helped him pay his own bills. From my standard, Kirkman is on the verge of acting like those folks who rise from poverty to middle class and then start talking down to their old neighbors as if their farts no longer stink.

On top of that, around the internet community I am starting to notice some more open criticism of him. Works that used to be sacred cows have now been going on for years and now don't seem as sacred. Personally, I've always liked Kirkman's work overall, although I've never read WALKING DEAD and bailed from his downward spiral of an ULTIMATE X-MEN run.

INVINCIBLE is among his longest running titles and one complaint is that his stories take a while to develop and are all over the place. The subplot with Titan is a key example. The subplot of Invincible being tricked into helping a low level hood take out the city's major mob boss Machine Head, only for that hood (Titan) to take over himself, was dropped, literally, over two years ago. The solict pokes fun at it, calling it "a couple of months ago", which is either wisecracking or borderline insulting, depending on your mood. Fans would write letters about Titan's return nearly as often as calling for Battle Beast.

If Battle Beast's return is as rushed and awkward as Titan's was, those letter writers should save their ink.

Not to say it was downright bad; it wasn't. But there is more going on in Invincible right now than two years ago, and all of it more interesting than Titan right now. The upcoming Viltrumite invasion, including Anyssa; Nolan's possible return; Oliver becoming Omni-Man and having a more Nolan-esque take on Earth, and Mark being independent from Cecil's control. The timing for a stone slab mob boss is a bit awkward to put it lightly. Sure, there was build-up; the only reason Titan is back into the mix is because his superiors in Asia, part of a superhuman crime cartel called The Order, wanted him to bust their agent Multi-Paul out of prison. Recall, Multi-Paul came to America to seemingly avenge the death of his sister Dupli-Kate (who wasn't as dead as she seemed), and was captured by Invincible and Rex Splode. He sent two minor villains to do that a few issues ago, and they got stomped. Now, Titan attempts it personally.

Titan's plan is rather stupid; no smarter than the hoods he sent himself. Invincible calls him on it and thrashes him in no time flat, only for Titan's Oriental masters to show up, free Paul, and kick him out of the Order. The upshot to this is that at least Kirkman doesn't make the mistake of some other writers, having a hero underwhelm despite experience. No, at this stage of the game, Mark is far stronger than he used to be, and Titan should provide no challenge. He doesn't. Of course, the villains need to up the ante, otherwise they become TOO easy and comical to defeat.

The more important meat of the issue pertains to more personal issues. Mark is trying to go out an superhero date with Atom Eve, but is too distracted by his family issues, specifically Oliver, who continues to show little qualms about being "efficient" in killing the Mauler Twins and not valuing human life. Mark is even angry with his mother because he assumes she told her new boyfriend that he is a superhero (and he may be right). This leads Mark to question his own temper, and if he is at risk of becoming like Nolan himself. Of course, a universe away, Nolan is trying to rehabilitate himself in a way, and Cecil was hardly the figure Mark originally trusted. The morals of the book are shifting to a question of grey areas as Mark discovers not everything is as black and white as he assumed, and that part is more interesting than any fights with concrete goons. I like the budding relationship with Eve, which only proves my own personal theory that superheroes dating civilians is futile and they may as well date fellow superheroes or heroines who share the biz and thus understand better. Aside for Lois & Clark, and to some degree Wally and Linda, it never works out.

The ending has Oliver seem to fake being apologetic to perhaps get Mark off his back. While I like the idea of Oliver not being a "funny sidekick" and posing as an ideological opposite, there are moments where I think Kirkman is overplaying his hand. But overall, I think it is an interesting move. Being a creator owned book, Kirkman is allowed to take risks and such that a normal franchise couldn't do. It might be interesting if Oliver actually ends up colder hearted than Nolan in a way.

The new colorist's growing on me and things seem as they should be art wise, with the ever-ready Ottley still continuing his incredible run.

The next issue promises the return of Kirkman's two new time traveler characters, who may or may not have anything to do with the seemingly alive Angstrom Levy. Hopefully their story angle proves interesting. I must say I am growing a little impatient with some of Kirkman's dragging on of the Viltrumite plotline, but hopefully the upcoming arcs make up for it. It is still an incredible superhero title, among the best in the business for your money. That said, not every issue can be an A+, and this one isn't.

Now for comments:

Freaking Finally!
Looks like the wait won't be too much longer, Issue 55 I finally get what I want!

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b81/spazz_hero/InvCov55color.jpg

Looks good. :up: I can't wait. Unfortunately, it will be another two issues.

Ok, just read 52. Really liked the issue. Oliver is badass. Dangerous, but badass. I totally get where he's coming from regarding killing villains but Mark's right about him being so care-free about it. I thought their talk in the sky was just going to hint at their falling out in the future, but hearing Mark agree w/ Oliver at the end planted a whole new set of seeds :up:

Yeah, Oliver is interesting. It is inevitable that they meet Nolan again and that should be very interesting.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Reposting my review of issue #53, with spoilers:



Now for comments:



Looks good. :up: I can't wait. Unfortunately, it will be another two issues.



Yeah, Oliver is interesting. It is inevitable that they meet Nolan again and that should be very interesting.

Don't you mean issue 52 Dread?

As for your comment about Kirkman going from lower class to middle class and looking down upon the people he came from. I am not sure if that is the case, not saying it isn't either. I am just saying that Kirkman does seem to be full of himself and possibly, even thinks he may be one of the greats. I may be going on out a limb here and projecting, but...

From reading your post it seems to make more sense. He does make valid points about working for the big 2, but if it wasn't for the big two comics wouldn't even exist. Writer and artists would never get breaks, their works would never seen movie screen adaptations and so on.

So as much as DC & Marvel screw their writers/creators/artists, they are very good for comics and Kirkman should shut the **** up. After reading his slurping praise of Rob Lefield I got really turned off by the guy. Who in their right ****ing mind compares Lefield to Jack Kirby!?! A douche bag, that's who!

Although I do get irritated by people become holier than though and as Dread said, think their **** don't stink. That said, I do still like Kirkman's stories but for me, he is walking a thin line. He has just recently announced guaranteed shipping dates for all of 09 well guess what Kirkman. You just put your foot in your mouth, make sure you don't bite down. Personally I think this is stupid, I will be amazed and astonished if he can pull it off, and pull it off without sacrificing quality of work.

I don't think he can do it, but we will see.

[Anubis]

53 came out last week.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

It did? WTFHIB!?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Ok, so I just read 53 I see the story unfolding a few or several different ways....

Oliver obviously looks at things more from a logical standpoint and seems to have a bit of a superiority complex. He does not believe that each life is precious as has been taught here on Earth. He is very much more of his race's creed. Only the strong survive. Here are my thoughts on what may happen.

1. Oliver and Mark eventually get down to it and Mark has to kill Oliver, causing everyone to really look at Mark like he is a bad guy with all of his over reacting lately and losing his temper taking Invincible yet in another direction.

2. Nolan comes back and Oliver almost kills Mark (which seems more likely since Oliver is a much more advanced species, at least for now) because he is seems like he may already be stronger than him.

3. Nolan comes back and Oliver ends up going to the Virlturmite (sp) side against his father and Mark. This scenario makes more sense to me than the other two.

4. Oliver ends up teaming up with Armstrong Levy.

Those are what I can see happening from the last few issues or so.

[JackBauer]

Holy s#|t! Diamond list for today has ish 54 coming out. Does this compute?!

And I definitely see a Mark and Oliver fight being interrupted by Nolan.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

On the image website it says next week.

[BizarroAids]

I have a friend that is heavy into this title, praises it up and down.

Now, I've seen it in the stores, and have wanted to read it, but just never got to it.

So I'm going to start from the beginning in the next couple of weeks. Can anyone just kinda sum up the character and the story of Invincible?? Just so I can be sure this book is something I'll enjoy.

Thanks.

[drastic_quench]

I have a friend that is heavy into this title, praises it up and down.

Now, I've seen it in the stores, and have wanted to read it, but just never got to it.

So I'm going to start from the beginning in the next couple of weeks. Can anyone just kinda sum up the character and the story of Invincible?? Just so I can be sure this book is something I'll enjoy.

Thanks.
To sum up comes close to spoilage. Just buy the first two trades. You'll love it.

From wik:
Invincible is the teenaged son of [/URL]Omni Man, an [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestrial_life_in_popular_culture"]extraterrestrial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omni-Man) superhero of the Viltrumite race, recently revealed to be more than he seems. Invincible inherited his father’s superhuman strength and ability to fly and he has sworn to protect the Earth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth). He has had trouble adjusting to his newfound powers and coping with the reality of his origins.

Get out of this thread- read no more spoilers, and don't look up the wiki!

[BizarroAids]

To sum up comes close to spoilage. Just buy the first two trades. You'll love it.

From wik:
Invincible is the teenaged son of Omni Man, an extraterrestrial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestrial_life_in_popular_culture) superhero of the Viltrumite race, recently revealed to be more than he seems. Invincible inherited his father’s superhuman strength and ability to fly and he has sworn to protect the Earth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth). He has had trouble adjusting to his newfound powers and coping with the reality of his origins.

Get out of this thread- read no more spoilers, and don't look up the wiki!


Hahah thanks, I won't read any further. I'll just start with issue 1 and see for myself. I'll get 1-5 this weekend. Thanks for the info/heads up.:woot:

[Andy C.]

Finally got caught up to speed with the series. Loved Cecil's back-story at the end of issue 50, and was kind of sad to see

The Mauler Twins finally getting taken out, but it made up for it by the sheer splattery surprise of it.

It's pretty obvious that Mark and Oliver won't be on the same side for very long, which'll make things very very interesting when the Viltrumites show up again. Odd as it sounds, I think my favorite part of the overall story has been the relationship between Mark and Eve--one of the few romantic subplots that actually feels like it has a decent payoff. Not to say that the action itself isn't absolutely kickass, or that the humor isn't spot-on. Because it's all quite good.

Can't wait to see where it goes from here.

[echostation]

the latest issue i found to be quite filler and crap really... some of the allusions to what mark did was cool for the future but i was rather unimpressed

[JackBauer]

the latest issue i found to be quite filler and crap really... some of the allusions to what mark did was cool for the future but i was rather unimpressed

Seriously? I mean, it has filler written all over it, I know, but I actually thought it was great. This is the kind of one-shot story that's been missing a lot from comics these days, and another example of Invincible taking an old-school concept and using it well. I loved Mark going back for his clothes and him showing up immediately after, not to mention the Immortal's foreboding words. And the last few pages of Mark/Eve were pretty damn classy.

Filler, definitely, but still pretty good.

[Spike_x1]

Seriously? I mean, it has filler written all over it, I know, but I actually thought it was great. This is the kind of one-shot story that's been missing a lot from comics these days, and another example of Invincible taking an old-school concept and using it well. I loved Mark going back for his clothes and him showing up immediately after, not to mention the Immortal's foreboding words. And the last few pages of Mark/Eve were pretty damn classy.

Filler, definitely, but still pretty good.Agreed. Yes, it's filler, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, and this issue proves that.

Also, is it me, or has the Immortal been downgraded in power ever since his first couple appearances? True, he was killed rather quickly by Omni-Man that first time, but in their rematch, the Immortal was putting up a good fight for a few pages. Ever since then, though, he's been been shown to be severely outclassed, both when he was fighting Allen, and in the latest issue where he fought Mark (a fight that barely lasted a single page).

[JackBauer]

Agreed. Yes, it's filler, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, and this issue proves that.

Also, is it me, or has the Immortal been downgraded in power ever since his first couple appearances? True, he was killed rather quickly by Omni-Man that first time, but in their rematch, the Immortal was putting up a good fight for a few pages. Ever since then, though, he's been been shown to be severely outclassed, both when he was fighting Allen, and in the latest issue where he fought Mark (a fight that barely lasted a single page).

Yeah, but IIRC he wasn't really fighting Mark, just encouraging him to fight back and kill him.

[Spike_x1]

Yeah, he was trying to goad Mark into fighting back, but from his dialogue, it seemed like he was really mad, so I wouldn't be surprised if Immortal was putting everything he had into his punches.

[Dread]

Reposting my review of the last issue, with spoilers:

INVINCIBLE #54: While the two new time-traveling characters from the Multi-Paul issue are on the cover, for me the real meat of it comes in the beginning and the end, with Mark and Eve finally starting to enjoy a date, and their budding relationship, which pretty much starts to satisfy over 4 years of romantic tension, inconvenient lovers, and mixed feelings due to the complications of superhero lives (and yes, time travel). It's the kind of thing that Marvel, with Peter & MJ, have decided that readers no longer want out of superhero comics in favor of endless death, misery, and status quo slugfests. This issue sort of proves how wrong that mentality is. Payoff can be everything. Development is also very close to everything, that thing that defines what books you take seriously and what ones are just average popcorn fluff, symbolizing nothing.

But, there is that time-travel adventure, which provides a conflict for Mark that involves more than fists, but doubts about his character and what the future holds. Fightmaster and his sidekick hail from a future where everything is ruled under the iron-fist of an unkillable ruler, who turns out to be an older version of The Immortal. Allowing themselves to be captured, Immortal beacons Mark to finally end his life, rambling things about Mark, in the future, taking his family off-world and even ending up ruling it, which seems to imply that he took more of his Viltrumite duties seriously. The past few issues have done a bit to test Mark's moral mettle. He found that that Cecil was hardly the model of virtue that he thought, employing villains and covering up their crimes to the media. His kid brother Oliver sees his compassion for all human life as illogical and inefficient. And now a mission in the future that seems to hint that Invincible's heroism reaches a breaking point to world domination, or at least apathy.

Plus, there are some fun time travel hyjinks, like Mark returning to Eve at the exact moment he left, and on reclaiming his clothes. Time paradoxes are usually confusing and annoying, but keeping them light in that BACK TO THE FUTURE way can also be pretty interesting and entertaining.

Series penciler Ryan Ottley is naturally an artist of considerable talent, whose style has come to define this franchise moreso than even co-creator Cory Walker at this point. He's proven capable of drawing some efficient montage type pages for scenes of brutal violence (see the issues where Mark & Nolan battled the Viltrimutes on Mantis World for the best example). Here he gets to showcase the other end of the showcase with a 4-page spread that not only chronicles their date across the world, but all the moments of near misses in the past. In full animation with one of those charming romantic songs, in the alternate universe where Invincible is a hit animated series, it would be one of those fan fave moments everyone begs to be put on YouTube. Even barring that, I thought it was a touching spread. The challenge before Kirkman of course will be to try to disprove the idea that romances are only fun during the chase and then are boring afterwards; which is horribly cynical even for me. Why bother to date anyone if that is true? This issue shows that he's off to a good start.

Plus, next issue kick starts the Viltrumite War, so non-softies will get their blood and guts soon. I personally can't wait for that storyline, either. Given how Oliver is reacting, a return of Nolan could be most interesting.

Definately a step up from last month for the best superhero book in the universe, now all new and all awesome.

[the dmg]

So I've finally read up to Issue 51, but still need to catch up before I can really get into discussion. I hate being behind.

[Anubis]

Have you enjoyed it so far?

[the dmg]

Have you enjoyed it so far?

Yes...I like the fact that he takes time to build a lot of his storylines and makes you try and keep in mind the events in the previous issues. I've only been reading for about a month and a half, borrowing from my friend.

EDIT:
Plus, I like his takes on each of his characters, and makes you care what happens to them.

[Dread]

Yes...I like the fact that he takes time to build a lot of his storylines and makes you try and keep in mind the events in the previous issues. I've only been reading for about a month and a half, borrowing from my friend.

EDIT:
Plus, I like his takes on each of his characters, and makes you care what happens to them.

Exactly. :up: Glad you're aboard.

[the dmg]

Just read 52, and I have to say that I am saddened about the Mauler Twins. Kid Omni-Man is pretty intense and realistic at the same time. It's crazy how we see Mark slowly start to change as a superhero in terms of what he does with his power.

[Hellstormer]

Ok so I started picking up this series monthly (previously I was only on trades). I started with 51 since it seemed like an obvious place to start and I'm like Kid Omni-Man although I wish he was Omni-Boy. Its nice to see Eve and Mark together for real, but the last issue (the time traveling one) left me a little unnerved cause I know that's gonna be the cause of a lot of problems shortly. I hope Kid Omni-Man can learn to hold back.

[the dmg]

Ok so I started picking up this series monthly (previously I was only on trades). I started with 51 since it seemed like an obvious place to start and I'm like Kid Omni-Man although I wish he was Omni-Boy.

That's how I picked this series up as well. My friend let me borrow his TPB's, and I was hooked.

[Andy C.]

55 is some great stuff. It's always fun to see Allen the Alien kick some ass, as well as a nice reveal about the Viltrumites. Don't want to spoil any more than that, since it's just an all around awesome issue.

While it has absolutely nothing to do with the story, I also got a kick out of the "Jersey Gods" Jack Kirby spoof in the back of the issue.

[Dread]

Repost of my review of the latest issue, with spoilers:

INVINCIBLE #55: Easily the issue that a LOT of fans have been waiting for across the internet, the mail pages, and so on for a variety of reasons. While Mark and Eve get jiggy with themselves, it is another all Allen the Alien issue to further the Viltrumite plot along. Much like the last time, Kirkman assumes the style of some classic 80's Marvel comics with his Allen segments, and the strength of them easily add fuel to the fire of Invinci-pals who want Allen to get a mini like Eve got.

For ten issues, Allen has posed as a captive of the Viltrumite empire to get close to Nolan, having learned that he was a prisoner for rebelling against the empire. The cell cannot hold him at all, but Allen plays along until the time is right, until the time Nolan is to be executed. He speaks psychically with Nolan and over the course of the issue it is revealed they have become close friends. Normally it might seem odd for a writer to have two characters pledge such an allegenice out of the blue but Kirkman reframes it to the greater story, winding all the way back to early volumes and makes it work. Execution is an honor for Viltrumites as they prefer to simply kill in battle, but when threats prove themselves "worthy" they must wait for Viltrumites to do it personally. At the right moment, Allen stages a jailbreak and he and Nolan take on two Viltrumite assassins, which they kill with relative ease. At this point, Allen appears mightier than even Nolan, which is a bit staggering. Ottley naturally does the action stuff well and the new colorist FCO Plascencia actually manages to make blood look more like, well, blood colors IMO.

Then of course there are two big reveals. The first is the return of Battle Beast, last seen working for Machine Head back in HC #2 simply out of a quest for worthy enemies to fight. He aids Allen and Nolan against the Viltrumites and is eager to fight them for sport. Battle Beast was probably asked about by mail in letters about once an issue (almost literally) so I am sure a lot of people will be pleased to see him. Ottley did give him a great design. The other reveal is Nolan explaining a key weakness to the Viltrumites; the only caveat was that it had been hinted at ages ago and was a bit obvious, although this was more specific. There are not many Viltrumites left and that is why they deligate tasks to other races they have conquored or allow Invincible so many chances; Nolan puts their number at "less than 50". Heck, at that rate, who needs the books; Allen could probably kill them over a few years one by one. It also makes Invincible and Oliver very important in the fight to come. Now THAT is going to be something, perhaps even the greatest arc of the series so far.

The dilemma, of course, would be what to do after the Viltrumite War that would be able to carry as much anticipation? Because right now the return of Angstrom Levy certainly isn't.

Still, really nothing negative about this issue. Great writing, great art, some great action panels, and another issue that proves why Invincible can earn it's tagline as "all-awesome". Plus, the 2 Mark/Eve pages were sweet.

The cover for the next issue asks if Mark would be willing to kill. Technically, the answer is yes, but only in the heat of battle and usually when his friends or family have been directly endangered or injured. But naturally I always look forward to more INVINCIBLE. The storylines in the epic continue to develop and intertwine with a universe full of characters in a single comic, instead of a line of a dozen of them in an endless crossover. Just like comics should be. INVINCIBLE, still my favorite book. At least on a week when CAPTAIN AMERICA isn't out.

[Anubis]

Hell of an issue. :(

[Brian Braddock]

God, I miss reading this comic. :csad:

[Kahoot]

I just got Family Matters the other day and read threw it. It seemed really rushed and the extra scetches took longer to read threw than the main body of work but I still find that I really wanna buy Eight Is Enough.

What have I got to look forward to? What is the best arc?

[Anubis]

I don't know where you're at. Where did Family Matters leave off?

[Kahoot]

Issues 1-4: Mall bombings and Omni-Man was taking by aliens to another dimention but gets home for dinner (after what seemed like months to him)

[Andy C.]

IMO the best arc is the big reveal in Volume 3, but I really don't want to give away any spoilers. It's worth reading for yourself.

[Kahoot]

Nice, something to look forward to

[Colossal Spoons]

Just got caught up. Allen gots mad muscles yo :D

[Dread]

Figured I would repost my review of the latest issue, with spoilers.

INVINCIBLE #56: After a slobberknocker issue that had Omni-Man, Allen, and Battle Beast team up to fight Viltrumites, how could another issue immediately after make an impression? Kirkman naturally answers with a personal story that involves little to do with superpowers and more about emotional reactions. I was actually a little cynical when I saw the promo for the last issue, but I am glad this one turned out better than expected.

In this issue, Eve and Mark naturally finish an intimate night together, and angst a bit about neither of them having a place of their own within the continent where parents can't overhear. Without Cecil, Mark lacks the sort of money to afford a place, after all. Mrs. Grayson is more than aware of her son's new relationship with Eve, but humors him anyway. Oliver of course barges in, more interested in having Mark help him with patrols or training than on a social life, and goes off on his own when Mark has a personal crisis.

That crisis? His ex-girlfriend Amber calling him in a hysterical wreck about being slugged by her new boyfriend Gary. Which should teach everyone never to trust someone with a soul-patch who can't commit to a full beard or a shave. It's like wearing a pant leg on one leg and a short leg on the other, because committing to pants or shorts isn't unique enough. What really sells the impact of this story are not only Ryan Ottley's art, but especially FCO Plascencia's colors of that shiner. It really looked nasty without being too gorey, which was how to sell it. Most normal guys would pretty much WANT to just grab the guy and dangle him off a building, but as Mark has the power to do that, he does it literally. It is a scene that actually went without the "Mark grabbing Gary" scene which helped make it seem abrupt as it would have felt to Gary, just being grabbed by one of his planet's super-beings and basically having him threaten to kill him if he laid another finger on his girlfriend. Considering Invincible has killed and/or seriously mangled super-villains for hurting his friends or family, Gary's lucky he wasn't in a costume or had a name like Soul Patch Bandit, otherwise he may have been a smear. Naturally, for me it was a scene that resonated because I've had some female friends who had jerk boyfriends or even rape in their past and I kind of felt like doing what Mark did (although I may not have stopped with a threat). For me, sometimes those moments where a superhero kind of breaks character and with his powers can perform some of those cathartic fantasies many of us have when tragedy strikes can really sell them as human and interesting. The best example of this, of course, is that story that has been rendered pointless; college aged Spider-Man cradling his murdered girlfriend and offering no jokes or heroic promises to an arch foe, but a death threat.

Mark, of course, is then scared of his own temper and potential and needs Eve to support him in that regard. Although part of me does wonder if Amber was as clueless as she seemed and couldn't figure out that her SUPERHERO EX-BOYFRIEND would do, well, SOMETHING. After all, the fact that he was a superhero did once turn her on. Like maybe calling Mark wasn't just to talk to someone she trusted and felt connected to about the incident, but also because she knew he could make Gary "behave" or whatnot? It would certainly help balance out her "beaten housewife syndrome" of assuming that one punch was a "glitch" and Gary wouldn't touch her again. Unless you're Hank Pym, it never ends with one hit.

The issue ends with a cliffhanger about the Grayson home being electronically monitored and next alluding to the two issue crossover with WOLF-MAN, which should be interesting considering Wolf-Man is a wanted fugitive there and that is the sort of situation that suits Invincible well; chasing after a "super-villain" wanted for killing his wife.

What INVINCIBLE is doing now is sort of moving aside from the black and white morals of prior years and introducing shades of grey in not only Cecil but Invincible as well which is a healthy sign of the book soft of growing and maturing with it's lead. I also really like Mark & Eve together; sure, it's a bit corny that they compliment each other well, but good relationships are rare in comics so I appreciate them when they last. It also was not lost on me that inserting Amber back into things with an abusive boyfriend also could form a potential triangle, albeit with an newer dynamic (before, Mark was dating Amber, with Eve having feelings on the side). It is in that way that INVINCIBLE of course works as a human drama as much as a superhero opera, which is what good comics should do.

Still probably the greatest superhero comic book in the universe.

In the letters section, it still remains clear that Kirkman had some bad blood with Marvel, and is now free to say that Bendis "sucks" on Avengers titles. Really? Bendis isn't good on that book? Amazing how some writers can speak the truth once they leave the company that signs their paychecks. I can imagine a slew of talent having DiDio horror stories.

[Dread]

Link to my review of the latest issue, as well as the entire two part crossover with ASTOUNDING WOLF-MAN this month!

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=16173869&postcount=11

[KingOfMars]

need a little advice from anyone who has read invincible the ultimate collection vol.3, when im done with that what trades should i pick up of the series?

[Dread]

need a little advice from anyone who has read invincible the ultimate collection vol.3, when im done with that what trades should i pick up of the series?

Well, Image released an ULTIMATE COLLECTION VOLUME 4, which covers issues #36-47. That sounds like the best place to start. It was released 12/22/08.

I assume you read ULTIMATE COLLECTION 1 and 2.

If you can't find that, the 8th and 9th TPB collections, "MY FAVORITE MARTIAN" and "OUT OF THIS WORLD", specifically, collect issues #36-47.

There have been no more trades or HC's released yet that collect issues after #47. Give it time. Usually Image will release two trades and then at the end of the year condense those two into a HC.

[KingOfMars]

thanks for the information.

[Dread]

No prob. :up:

[Kahoot]

I just finnished Vol. 2: Eight is Enough and love the shock issuse with the The Guardians of the Globe but over all felt let down since it felt like mostly filler. I've got Vol. 3: Perfect Strangers to get started on and that sounds a lot better.

When will I see Kid Omni-Man for the 1st time?

[Andy C.]

Oliver doesn't show up until Vol. 6, and doesn't become Kid Omni-Man until Issue 51 (which will be in Vol. 10, I think, when the TPB comes out) You've still got a good while until he's on the scene.

[Kahoot]

If all goes to plan I'll be on Vol 10 or 11 this time next year. I'm guessing they'll be out by then and I'll hopefully have been able to get them all read by then too.

[Dread]

That's cool. Just curious, why are you going by the trades when there are three hardcovers that usually are more economical?

[Kahoot]

That's cool. Just curious, why are you going by the trades when there are three hardcovers that usually are more economical?
I got the 1st trade like dipping my toe in a swimming pool to see if it was cold. I might get Invincible Ultimate Collection Hardcover Vol. 2 since I've got the 1st 3 trades and they make up Vol. 1 but I like trades so I donno.

[Brick]

I got the 1st trade like dipping my toe in a swimming pool to see if it was cold. I might get Invincible Ultimate Collection Hardcover Vol. 2 since I've got the 1st 3 trades and they make up Vol. 1 but I like trades so I donno.
I'm in the same situation as you. I got the 1st trade just to see what it was like and now have the 1st 3. I'm definitely going to go on to the hardcovers, it makes much more sense price wise.

[Dread]

Repost of my review of the latest issue, with spoilers:

INVINCIBLE #58: It is the start of the "On Time In '09" era from Robert Kirkman and his Image titles, including this one. So far, he seems to be on a good start. Granted, having cleared his schedule of Marvel related work probably lightened his load considerably. While some fans and creators did not take kindly to some of his ramblings, career-wise he is at his best with his Image properties, and it is great that he is focusing his energy there. I'd rather get timely issues of INVINCIBLE and ASTOUNDING WOLF-MAN than see endless crappy ULTIMATE X-MEN issues from on on the shelf on time that I bypass. Marvel's loss is Image's gain, and I do think it is for the better. He is happier here.

This issue is quieter than some of the others, and as the cover shows, focuses on Invincible and Atom Eve together. This time, though, they do more than cuddle or go on a typical date that gets interrupted. Eve turns out to have ideas of her own on how to solve their "lack of income or private dwellings" problem by, basically, setting up a company in which a slew of prisons, factories, banks, etc. alert Invincible whenever a crisis happens there and then pay him for stopping it. At first Mark seems hesitant, but Eve reminds him that it is little different from when Cecil and the government used to do that for him, and it will allow them to buy a house in four months (or less if the housing market continues to tank). One of my favorite moments, though, is a showdown with one of Atomic Eve's enemies to which Invincible replies, "Your nemesis sucks" after downing him with a single punch. Classic.

But there is some additional humor in the episode. Shapesmith shows up at Art the Tailor's workshop and shows why shape-shifting aliens can never be trusted to pay their tab. And Lethan, now Atlantis' protector Aquarus, has a pretty boring time protecting the ocean.

There is some tension, of course. Black Samson reassures the new Blackwing that the rest of the team doesn't look down on him because he murdered people in his permanently night-time city. Robot seemingly manages to stop Monster Girl from aging with every transformation with a new hi-tech belt, although I am expecting some sort of side effect. The Immortal is surprised that Dupli-Kate wants a big house to have kids in. Rus Livingston is still possessed by those squid aliens from Mars, which have multiplied from the one that used to be within him. And for the issue cliffhanger, the seemingly reborn Angstrom Levy has gathered various universes versions of Invincible, seemingly to do battle with his nemesis. There are variants of our titualar hero, including one with an Omni-Man like costume, two in Viltrumite garb (one with the iconic mustache) and one that appears to be merged with the Martian squid-aliens. His orbs are still examining Invincible's home, where only he and Oliver are staying for safety's sake. Quite frankly, I didn't miss Levy as a villain and I felt his death was a pivotal moment in INVINCIBLE, and Kirkman had better had a darn good explanation for how he has survived. He has already dismissed the idea that this is an "alternate" Levy. Regeneration would seem like a Norman Osborn cop-out story. So there is a challenge here.

In the letters page, Kirkman defends claiming there are only 50 Viltrumites in the universe by claiming that only about 3-4 characters in INVINCIBLE are capable of fighting them, and I do agree with that sentiment. People compare them to Kryptonians but I also seem some Saiyen in them from Dragon Ball Z, especially as some of the battles appear DBZ ish. When even 2-3 Viltrumites can destroy an entire planet, much less teams like the Global Guardians, there being "only" fifty of them still keeps tension high for me. On the contrary, the idea that victory is somewhat possible keeps the aim within sight. After all, Invincible is 18 years old and can lift some 400 tons, and he's not even near the peak of Viltrumite strength.

Naturally, I enjoyed this issue as I do every issue of INVINCIBLE. I liked seeing Eve show her own initiative with her life as well as Mark's. The issue, as many of the best ones, seemed akin to cramming a whole universe of characters into a single title, and covered many of them. The only drag was the Aquarus bit, which seemed to spend a page for one minor gag. Aquarus has rarely been a major detail in INVINCIBLE so it almost seemed as if to remind us that he was still alive somewhere. I do like some of the slow build with Levy and it will be interesting to see where the Rus Livingston/Squid Alien plot goes. The next issue promises a new villain, and it has been a while since Invincible had one, so it is welcome. Basically, there are always a myraid of interesting plots within Invincible's book and Kirkman usually has fun picking which one to bring to the fore next, and I as a reader usually enjoy seeing it. Over five years and still one of the best superhero comic books on the market. Not as dark most times as the others, it mixes some whimsy in with the gore, which is appreciated. Fco Plascencia's getting the hang of the colors and of course Ryan Ottley's art is the face of the series for me; he's drawn far more Invincible material than co-creator Cory Walker has at this point, right?

With three HC's and a slew of trades, there is no better time to catch up on INVINCIBLE if you haven't. It belongs on the same shelf as CAPTAIN AMERICA, NOVA, and INCREDIBLE HERCULES, even after nearly 60 issues. All-awesome indeed, and I sure do hope the book can stick to a monthly schedule in 2009. Lord knows the sometimes 2-4 month gap between issues in 2006-2008 was irritating.

[echostation]

I just read Invincible 59... man, this issue even though I saw what was going to happen a mile away it still totally and utterly catches you off guard... the realistic brutality and gruesome nature of what happens, jesus this issue just totally caught me off guard... I was actually slightly tearing up...

Hardly any comic book has ever had that effect on me... this was more the shock of what happens in this... god this was a depressing issue, so sad... it makes u feel like crap.

[Dread]

Reposting my review of the latest issue, with spoilers:

INVINCIBLE #59: Kirkman has something big planned for issue #60, which of course is a nice even number, like issue #50 was, but also would symbolize five years of running (perhaps six with delays). However, that still leaves Kirkman with an issue to fill, so we get something that Invincible hasn't done for a bit; focus an entire issue upon a new villain, Scott Duvall, a.k.a. Power-Plex.

Scott Duvall seems like your typical Kirkman citizen; he works as a scientist for the Pentagon with access to advanced technology, has a wife Becky and a young son, Jack. Unfortunately, his sister was one of those many nameless people killed way back in INVINCIBLE #12-14 or so when he was fighting Omni-Man across the world. He holds Invincible responsible for her death and has declared bloody vengeance against him, even believing that Invincible is no hero and ultimately plans to rejoin his father and take over the planet. His wife is 100% behind him on this, even when an internal investigation of Scott's stolen Power-Plex stuff causes him to quit his job and become more blatant. He fights Shapesmith and even Robot, Splode, and Monster-Girl of the "Global Guardians" before concocting a fake hostage plot to lure out Invincible. Sadly in the ensuing fight, Scott accidentally kills his family, but this does not cease his quest to kill Invincible; in the end it merely cements it.

My only problem with this issue is that it feels a bit late in coming for a villain whose entire motive happened about four years ago. In some ways it is akin to the screaming man from the cover of AMAZING FANTASY #15 suddenly returning to face Spider-Man as Captain Neurotic or something. While it is Kirkman's own comic, part of me feels this villain would have had more impact a year or two ago, at least.

There is a dynamic that Kirkman has tried to hint at since issue #42 or so. That dynamic is that despite the fact that the overall media and society sees Invincible as a hero, there still is a bit of a vocal minority who distrusts him. Him being the son of Omni-Man, who had been a capable hero for decades before announcing his plot to conquor the world and then causing a battle that killed hundreds of people and caused millions in damages leaves some to assume that he will follow in his father's foot-steps. Worse, some may think he is cahoots with his father, who has been "off world" for quite some time. While we know this to be true, the public of Earth doesn't. The fact that Invincible is no longer working for the Pentagon likely won't help these matters. The problem is that in order to make this subplot more than a passing detail, Kirkman would have to focus on it more, which would upset the often "light" or at least non-bleak nature of the book. It is possible that Kirkman brought this up to reframe a conflict or dynamic that is about to become a big deal, as he has done before. After all, not only has Invincible aided a known felon in Wolf-Man, but we have a reborn Angstom Levy (as revealed in several past issues) with a small army of alternate reality Invincibles who could ruin Mark's name fairly easily, if that is his plan. Anyssa the female Viltrumite sees a possibility of Mark joining their army, which may be a hint of a conflict to come.

The issue barely touches on the feelings of guilt that Mark has for some of his failures, or the people who have died in his fights, but this issue was devoted to Power-Plex, so making Mark a bit player for an issue is expected. While Power-Plex's design is a bit generic in comparison to some of Ryan Ottley's other designs (or redesigns from Cory Walker work), I did appreciate that he was a physical threat to Invincible. As Mark has improved as a hero and become far faster, tougher, and stronger (going from lifting 40-75 tons to 400 tons), many of his older enemies are now no threat to him. Power-Plex absorbs energy, even the energy from Invincible's strikes, so he is a very capable threat who could become worse as he goes along. The only hiccup was that it was implied that Scott's suit merely enhanced a power he already had, but how he got said power is unknown.

The art by Ottley and Plascencia is great as always.

While not a perfect issue, I think it did accomplish the overall goal to remind us that not everyone worships or trusts Invincible, and to give him a new villain who isn't from space or magic based who can actually challenge him. My only quibble was that Power-Plex probably should have come sooner to have more emotional impact. Kirkman admits he literally thought up the idea on a recent plane ride, and that sort of thing happens with creator work.

Kirkman also plugged his presumably last Marvel work, DESTROYER, which is about to start from he and Cory Walker from Marvel Max's line (Walker is a slow artist and I imagine he needed a bit of lead in time). I guess the Big Two aren't so bad when they're selling your own comics. While I understand Kirkman being a bit bitter over IRREDEEMABLE ANT-MAN, his utter garbage run on ULTIMATE X-MEN for about two years all but cancels that out for me. He's been at his best at Image, though, and so far INVINCIBLE and WOLF-MAN look to be on time. Glad to see him playing to his strength, which is creator run work.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Screw Powerplex that's all I have to say. No tearing up at all. I have no sympathy for the douche because that is exactly what he is. Although issue 60-64 seem like they are going to be huge. It is going to be hard to really go up from here as far as big stages and massive events for the Invincible world.

Here is what I think may happen probably going to be way off but just MHO. mark gets completely wrecked by Conquest and almost dies. Atom Eve jumps in and does die. Mark can't beat conquest though and is going to die trying but Oliver steps in to take a decent pummeling when, du du du daaaaahhhh. Here comes Nolan and Allen The Alien to save the day. Of course with Mark now being completely wrecked and Eve dead, Mark has had it with Earth and no longer cares. When he heals and is all better his dad tries to talk to him about there only being 50 virltumites left alive.

Mark could care less, he has had it with Earth and now is showing more his true Virltumite heritage. Oliver obviously cares nothing for the people of Earth and is on Mark's side. Nolan and Mark again start to throw down but with Allen being there he is able to talk them both down a bit and keep the peace. Mark has had it though and he and Oliver leave to go back to Oliver's home planet for the time being. Nolan has to try and return to Earth as their hero and work something out with Cecil to precent the oncoming slaughter of the Virltumite empire.

Like I said, I am probably way off but just my two cents.

[Spike_x1]

I don't want Eve to die. I mean, I will probably cry if/when Kirkman kills her off. :csad:

[Kahoot]

Is no one safe? She's been in it since the start. It's like killing off Spider-Man's grilfriend... Oh wait they did that once.

[Dark Victory]

I picked up the first trade and thought it was decent at best. A little too fast paced for me.

[Kahoot]

I'd agree with that a bit.

[echostation]

bah humbug... my tearing up or reaction wasn't for that lame ass power plex and his cohort... I was talking about the little kid... that little child who did nothing.. i mean just the graphic nature of how they revealed him getting toasted... that was haunting and sad,

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Bah, I guess I am just jaded.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I picked up the first trade and thought it was decent at best. A little too fast paced for me.

Well it slows down a lot once you hit issues like 40-50 and there on. But to each their own.

[Upset Spideyfan]

Ah, the wonders of the decompression era.

[BigBlue1055]

I don't want Eve to die. I mean, I will probably cry if/when Kirkman kills her off. :csad:

I agree, its gonna suck. Why do writers always feel the need to kill off good women characters?

[Andy C.]

I am going to rage-vomit for a day and a half if Eve gets killed (especially since her near-fatal beating in #60 happens completely off-page) Seriously, I liked how the series is always able to switch between light-hearted and bleak so quickly, but this would come off as just a gimmicky way to make Mark go bad or whatever. It's Girlfriend-in-the-Refrigerator all over again.

[Dread]

I kind of doubt that Eve will die, but who knows. I agree, it would suck. They just got together. :(

[BigBlue1055]

I am going to rage-vomit for a day and a half if Eve gets killed (especially since her near-fatal beating in #60 happens completely off-page) Seriously, I liked how the series is always able to switch between light-hearted and bleak so quickly, but this would come off as just a gimmicky way to make Mark go bad or whatever. It's Girlfriend-in-the-Refrigerator all over again.

Exactly what I was thinking, killing Eve would just be a completely unnecessary plot device at the expense of one of the best developed and likeable characters in the series.

[Spike_x1]

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[O'Haire]

Finally got the Ultimate Collection Volume 4 today. Man I love this book. Ottley's has gotten so much better it's insane.

Bring on Volume 5.

I hope they don't kill Eve. :(

[Dread]

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Yikes. It certainly doesn't look hot for her. But, I'll wait for the finished comics before freaking out yet.

[Anubis]

God damnit. I miss this book. :mad: :(

[BigBlue1055]

I am seriously so angry about this that I am pretty sure that I'm going to drop the book once she dies. I really thought that Kirkman was better than this.

[Andy C.]

I'm just really hoping that this is one of those misleading covers, but frankly, I wouldn't put it past him. After watching everyone even remotely likeable in Walking Dead die horrifically, I would not be surprised to see Eve go too.

[JackBauer]

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Duuuuuuuude...... :csad:

[Kahoot]

I ordered Ultimate Collection Volume 2 about two weeks ago, and I still don't have it, unless it came this morning and is now waiting for me. Bloody mail is f***ed up in Dundee.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Duuuuuuuude...... :csad:

Yeah Kirkman's a douche, what do you want.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I'm just really hoping that this is one of those misleading covers, but frankly, I wouldn't put it past him. After watching everyone even remotely likeable in Walking Dead die horrifically, I would not be surprised to see Eve go too.


Yup, Kirkman feels no obligation to any of his characters (with maybe the exceptions of the title characters, Mark and Rick as still alive). Anyone and every can die in his comics, and as far as what fans want, I don't think he cares either.

I wouldn't doubt it if Kirkman turns out to be the Sly Stallone of comics, strarts off great and does some really nice stuff then it's all crap after.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Just read issue 63 and well...... he killed Eve. Big surprise there. Yes she is fully on fully dead as a door nail. Not a lot happens in this issue but that and a dark prediction. As for these so called 32 page issues. What a bunch of BS! It's like 19 pages with the rest previews for upcoming comics for other series and letters to Kirkman. If you say 32 pages, give me at least 30 pages of actual content and story!

But next issue will be very interesting since Conquest dies? Hmmm, Mark predicts it, and clearly by the cover of issue 65 when they hold the funeral for Eve Conquest is most certainly gone, but dead? I don't think so, especially since Conquest is the biggest threat by far Invincible has ever faced. Even more so than his dad.

Plus Conquest has really made it apparent just how weak Mark is. If Conquest wanted to he could probably from the start just walked up to Mark and strangled him to death and Mark wouldn't have been able to do anything to stop him.

Oh well, just will have to wait until July to find out.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Just read issue 63 and well...... he killed Eve. Big surprise there. Yes she is fully on fully dead as a door nail. Not a lot happens in this issue but that and a dark prediction. As for these so called 32 page issues. What a bunch of BS! It's like 19 pages with the rest previews for upcoming comics for other series and letters to Kirkman. If you say 32 pages, give me at least 30 pages of actual content and story!

But next issue will be very interesting since Conquest dies? Hmmm, Mark predicts it, and clearly by the cover of issue 65 when they hold the funeral for Eve Conquest is most certainly gone, but dead? I don't think so, especially since Conquest is the biggest threat by far Invincible has ever faced. Even more so than his dad.

Plus Conquest has really made it apparent just how weak Mark is. If Conquest wanted to he could probably from the start just walked up to Mark and strangled him to death and Mark wouldn't have been able to do anything to stop him.

Oh well, just will have to wait until July to find out.

[Andy C.]

....aaaaaand I'm done. If he can't figure out how to advance character development without pointlessly stuffing the main character's love interest in the refrigerator, EXACTLY LIKE HE ALREADY DID IN WALKING DEAD, then I've really lost interest. Especially since the whole reason I loved the comic was its more energetic and fun tone, and now the comic is going off the deep end into gritty angsty 90s-anti-hero bull****.

And to be frank, I really don't care about Conquest. Sure, Angstrom Levy won't exactly go down as comicdom's most memorable villain, but he at least had some character. Same with the Mauler Twins, and Powerplex, and most of the other villains that have shown up. But another big bad Viltrumite? How many of these guys are we going to go through?

[BigBlue1055]

....aaaaaand I'm done. If he can't figure out how to advance character development without pointlessly stuffing the main character's love interest in the refrigerator, EXACTLY LIKE HE ALREADY DID IN WALKING DEAD, then I've really lost interest. Especially since the whole reason I loved the comic was its more energetic and fun tone, and now the comic is going off the deep end into gritty angsty 90s-anti-hero bull****.

And to be frank, I really don't care about Conquest. Sure, Angstrom Levy won't exactly go down as comicdom's most memorable villain, but he at least had some character. Same with the Mauler Twins, and Powerplex, and most of the other villains that have shown up. But another big bad Viltrumite? How many of these guys are we going to go through?

I agree, I'm dropping the book as well. It's absolutely ridiculous to kill her off when they had just started to really figure things out and hit their stride as a couple. Maybe I'll pick this book back up if he decides to try and bring Eve back, but I doubt it. Chalk up another one for the fridge!

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I'm really not that upset by it. I will keep reading the comic, not buying it, but I will ready it still at least until issue 65-70 or so. I am still interested to see what goes down with Conquest, what his reasoning is for Eve dying that is so important and what the new dynamic duo. Nolan and Allen The Alien are up to.

[BigBlue1055]

Yeah, I think that's what I'm gonna do, just read it and not buy it. I just hate that every comic book writer seems to have a vendetta against any sort of normal, happy, functioning couple. Also, I really don't feel like paying good money to see Mark go the way of some douchey emo brooding anti-hero.

[TheVileOne]

I kind of agree with the sentiment. It kind of makes that whole prison/criminal income subplot thing they had pointless.

I dunno, Eve came off as massively retarded in this issue. What she did seemed out of character.

[Dread]

Repost on my take on the issue, with spoilers.

INVINCIBLE #63: Oh, that Robert Kirkman's a card. Mocking the hype about a certain star spangled Marvel character, he made a special "announcement" at Newsarama that "extra copies" of this issue would ship on this Wednesday, and about how epic it was. In some ways INVINCIBLE WAR in issue sixty was a send-up of overblown events, getting to the meat of a 6-8 issue mini in one oversized one. It even has an "event" style tagger on the cover, noting the aftermath saga, "CONQUEST", which seems poised for four parts.

To be fair, Kirkman was right about this being a big issue. Invincible is still fighting Conquest, the monster of a Viltrumite soldier sent by the empire to take over the planet by any means required. Last issue was pure combat and while a lot of it continues, there is definitely a bit more dialogue here.

Getting the spoiler off the chest quickly, this is the issue in which Atom Eve seemingly and brutally is murdered. The fans were smelling it coming for quite some time, as nearly every month Kirkman got a "don't kill Eve" letter even since before issue 60. Apparently in WALKING DEAD he kills noble, fan-fave characters often. Of course they are all his babies and he is creatively free to kill them off when he wants. But, some solicits implied a funeral coming up, and Eve was already in the hospital. Her Gwen Stacy moment has arrived.

As the world is still trying to repair itself after Angstrom Levy's army of alternate reality Invincible's ravaged it, Mark is the only hero in shape or of proper power level to take on Conquest. Eve wakes up after two days in the hospital and basically blows his identity to her parents to chat with Cecil. Oliver tries to help Mark, and is mauled and nearly torn in two. Eve later comes in and isn't so lucky, getting impaled on Conquest's arm in about a page. Despite a shattered leg and having taken a worse beating than Rocky Balboa did in ROCKY IV (if such a thing is possible), Mark vows bloody vengeance after Eve dies in his arms. Axing off a couple after they had JUST started to date and be happy with each other is a bit of a cliche, of course. In the letters page Kirkman seems to brace for about half a year of hate mail and claims he "had no choice" but to kill her off. Part of me thinks back to something Brian K. Vaughan said shortly after he killed Gert in RUNAWAYS: "I couldn't imagine Runaways without her, which is when I realized she had to die", in so many words. Writers have to do things to keep stuff fresh and often that is drastic, status-quo shattering stuff. Kirkman's done it a few times with Invincible, starting with the Omni-Man reveal and onward since then, which has propelled the title into the high ranks fans give it critically. From a story standpoint, it was a perfectly logical, in character situation. Eve would want to help Mark, despite being unable to walk on two broken legs. Conquest would not spare her.

In fact the only problem I had with it wasn't Eve's death itself, but who it was to. While it could change, right now Conquest isn't a villain; he's a threat, an opponent, someone to make Mark stronger to prepare him for the next arc. While not quite as shallow as Doomsday was, he isn't far removed. He's a nasty, easy-to-hate "absolute monster" type villain, but he's just a cipher. Methinks it would have felt a little more gut-punching had Angstrom Levy pulled it off, or some other villain Mark knew more. Right now Conquest is merely the second Viltrumite besides Nolan who's had the honor of being named before he is killed off. Of course Conquest could live; between the scar and the cybernetic arm, he seems to have survived his share of scuffles. He could be akin to a Bane done right; a villain who scores a major win immediately and actually doesn't fall flat right after. And I imagine that Kirkman wanted that sudden feeling of a threat out of nowhere icing Eve.

There always is the escape clause; these ARE superheroes. Atom Eve's mini raised the idea of it being POSSIBLE for her to meddle with flesh as she does other atoms, just it being hard. Angstrom Levy was deader than a doornail for quite a while, all but beaten to death on panel by Invincible, and he's very much alive. The Sequid/Mars subplot refuses to die. Between alternate realities and whatnot, it may not be the end for Eve. Of course, maybe it is. Life is tragic like that.

Kirkman promised a big issue, and he got it. Maybe I would be more shocked about it, but the death of a hero's girlfriend is rather old hat in the genre, and the hints of it was laid out for months. Considering Mark's ex's new BF has a habit of giving her shiners, I imagine a reconciliation is likely. It is a bit of a shame that Kirkman couldn't avoid the genre expectation completely, to kill his hero's girlfriend at some point. It was nice to see a happy couple in comics for a change; most couples in comics bicker, or are insane. It was actually more innovative for the perennial star-crossed lovers to finally hook up and have some bliss together. But, it adds to my theory that all comic writers secretly hate their wives (or at least are bitter about having been single so long beforehand, channeling some GLA logic), and can't wait to vent some argument over bills or missing the can by slaughtering some poor heroine. And anyone who thinks this is impossible should look up some interviews regarding Grant Morrison's inspirations for how he handled Frost and Jean in NEW X-MEN. How quickly did Gary's wife get axed off in WOLF-MAN (albeit THAT was to a worthy adversary), after all? It's a little predictable. Ladies should know by now that dating a superhero is never worth it.

If Conquest serves any role, it is to remind readers after an event where all of Image's heroes managed to kill an army of Invincible's that even one or two full powered Viltrumites coming to Earth would just destroy it instantly without Mark. For aliens who live thousands of years, Mark is still a bit of a baby to them at age 18-19 (Oliver would barely be an infant). Mark was benching 400 tons a few issues back (or, basically, 10% of Rulk's strength) and Conquest is mopping the floor with him.

Another entertaining, shocking issue, even if it lives up to some genre expectations. Can't wait for the epic showdown next issue!

In summary, I wasn't altogether surprised, as some readers were smelling this blood in the water for a year. It's an all too common plot point in superhero comics with a male lead. It just is a bit predictable and a tad sacrificial.

[Spike_x1]

I have no words.

[Spike_x1]

I think I've finally found the words to express how I feel about this book now.......aaaaaand I'm done. If he can't figure out how to advance character development without pointlessly stuffing the main character's love interest in the refrigerator, EXACTLY LIKE HE ALREADY DID IN WALKING DEAD, then I've really lost interest. Especially since the whole reason I loved the comic was its more energetic and fun tone, and now the comic is going off the deep end into gritty angsty 90s-anti-hero bull****.

And to be frank, I really don't care about Conquest. Sure, Angstrom Levy won't exactly go down as comicdom's most memorable villain, but he at least had some character. Same with the Mauler Twins, and Powerplex, and most of the other villains that have shown up. But another big bad Viltrumite? How many of these guys are we going to go through?I'm right there with you, only I'm not quite done with the book just yet. I think I'll stick around for at least a few more (I'll say 5 or 6--that's more than generous) issues to see if Kirkman can move past the predictable cliche's of stock comic hero development that he's written himself into, and set the stage to recapture the fun tone that hooked me onto the book to begin with. I know that he's got to get the grieving for Eve out of the way, so there won't be too much room for lighthearted stuff for at least a couple issues, but I'm hoping that Kirkman moves past that as soon as possible.

Sure, Mark has faced some emotionally dark situations since day 1, but it's gotten to be too much. I don't want to read 19 pages of depression. I want to read Invincible as it used to be; the fun action-adventure book that wasn't a sob story at its core like every other superhero comic on the shelves. Unfortunately, Eve was a large contributing factor to what used to make the book fun to read, so I don't predict that I'll keep buying it for very much longer.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I think I've finally found the words to express how I feel about this book now...I'm right there with you, only I'm not quite done with the book just yet. I think I'll stick around for at least a few more (I'll say 5 or 6--that's more than generous) issues to see if Kirkman can move past the predictable cliche's of stock comic hero development that he's written himself into, and set the stage to recapture the fun tone that hooked me onto the book to begin with. I know that he's got to get the grieving for Eve out of the way, so there won't be too much room for lighthearted stuff for at least a couple issues, but I'm hoping that Kirkman moves past that as soon as possible.

Sure, Mark has faced some emotionally dark situations since day 1, but it's gotten to be too much. I don't want to read 19 pages of depression. I want to read Invincible as it used to be; the fun action-adventure book that wasn't a sob story at its core like every other superhero comic on the shelves. Unfortunately, Eve was a large contributing factor to what used to make the book fun to read, so I don't predict that I'll keep buying it for very much longer.

Notice how it changed a while back from "Probably The Best Superhero Comic In The Universe." To "The All-New All Awesome"

Like Kirkman knew the comic was losing it's allure and is trying to convince us it's still good.

"Hey, hey wait guys I promise, it's still really good. Here look, look see. I told you, ok wait just read it (buy it) for one more month while I hack out some stuff. I swear it's still really good. I promise."

I mean really, bring back Armstrong Levy? The guy's brain was smashed to a pulp, his whole head was. IF he managed to live he would be severally mentally disabled. I can understand the Mauler twins that keep coming back, the precedent was set up long ago that they clone themselves.

It was fun to see them pop up once in a while and do their thing. But Armstrong Levy feels like Krikman has fallen into the Cliche pattern of kill em off and bring em back already. I hope he picks it up again but I fear Invincible is just going to turn into another ok comic book, if it hasn't already.

[TheVileOne]

Tough call really.

However, didn't Mark marry a redhead and have kids in the future before leaving planet Earth?

Or was that in an alternate time sort of like all the other Invincibles?

Just saying . . . Eve could always come back. It is a comic book.

Also, notice how Mark's ex is still with her abusive boyfriend in this issue.

I'm more upset in that it felt like Eve's intervention in the fight felt so cookie cutter and forced.

Like in comics, generally I think character death is fine. I think if its appropriate and it works it works. Here it really feels like Kirkman HAD to put in a big kill, and he had to kill off Eve. Eve's death almost felt arbitrary and poorly written.

Basically I'm not saying he should not have killed off Eve, but the way he did it was lame.

[Dark Victory]

I picked up the second volume yesterday and loved it. Picked up the third today and this book keeps getting better and better.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Tough call really.

However, didn't Mark marry a redhead and have kids in the future before leaving planet Earth?

Or was that in an alternate time sort of like all the other Invincibles?

Just saying . . . Eve could always come back. It is a comic book.

Also, notice how Mark's ex is still with her abusive boyfriend in this issue.

I'm more upset in that it felt like Eve's intervention in the fight felt so cookie cutter and forced.

Like in comics, generally I think character death is fine. I think if its appropriate and it works it works. Here it really feels like Kirkman HAD to put in a big kill, and he had to kill off Eve. Eve's death almost felt arbitrary and poorly written.

Basically I'm not saying he should not have killed off Eve, but the way he did it was lame.

That's the thing though, Kirkman had taken what seemed to be all of the great things about comic books and wrote them in, but left out all of those things that were to cliche, overdone and just plain dumb in comics. Like killing off a character and bringing them back, because, hey, it's a comic book, anything can happen in a comic.

[Kahoot]

That's the thing though, Kirkman had taken what seemed to be all of the great things about comic books and wrote them in, but left out all of those things that were to cliche, overdone and just plain dumb in comics. Like killing off a character and bringing them back, because, hey, it's a comic book, anything can happen in a comic.
Didn't he do that with brain drain dude who died and then just came back?

I just finish the 2nd hard back collection, was a lot of what felt like filler but also felt like it would be leading up to something. I just need to find some sort of income to get the money for the next hard back. I'm loving the childish art style with the sometimes more mature story telling and all the blood. I think Allen the Alien is my favorite, even if I hate the spelling of his name.

[Hellstormer]

I think Allen is the breakout character of the book for a majority of people. He's my fave.

[Dread]

I didn't mind the return of Levy too much. It had been a few years and I thought the explanation of how he returned was sufficiently handled. With his dying action he zapped himself back to a dimension he knew well and was cybernetically patched back together. Frankly I have seen far more ridiculous resurrections. Besides, it had a real purpose. Mark really hasn't had another outright nemesis like Levy, at least one who made it as personal, targeting his mother and Oliver like he did. Kirkman is trying to make Power-Plex a similar kind of villain, but he's not at that level yet. A lot of Mark's enemies are no longer able to challenge him and Kirkman has struggled a little with replacing many of them with ones who can. Beyond token menaces like The Giant and so on, there's been some lag. Levy seemed fine.

Eve's death, though, did seem to live up to the cliche of making a new villain "dangerous" by icing the love interest immediately. Way back in the 70's, people complained that Marvel was doing that by sacrificing Gwen Stacy to Green Goblin. While I disagree, Bendis basically committed that error by sacrificing Gwen to Carnage in "CARNAGE" in USM, considering "Carnage" was essentially a mindless, random monster.

And yes, killing the girlfriend of a superhero is a timeless cliche. No option in life has such a high mortality rate than dating or loving a male hero in a story, it seems. It's not just in America; this sort of thing happens in Manga or other stories. I can understand the logistics of the death. If Eve had woken up when she did, she would do whatever it took to back Mark up. And Conquest in no way would spare her. Frankly it is amazing his first punch didn't decapitate her. Still, though, the dilemma is that while Conquest is a nice, nasty villain, he is sort of the threat of the week, out of no-where, not far removed from Doomsday. He exists to challenge Mark and remind him of the Viltrumite War that is to come. In a video game, he would be one of those bosses who emerges out of no where and is very tough, but after you beat him, you gain a combo attack that is essential to the next stage of the game. And while that is functional, it doesn't make him an instant classic.

I still do love the book. I'll see where Kirkman is going with it. It is a shame he lived up to cliche, but many of us saw Eve's death coming. The problem is that he has locked himself in a bit of a corner. If he wants to convince everyone of how shocking and important the death is, it has to last forever. But if it does so, Mark in some ways is a less interesting character; their relationship was just getting interesting. Perhaps it is akin to what Marvel is doing with CAPTAIN AMERICA; a writer not realizing what he had and replacing it for something more predictable and petty, akin to a corn farmer discovering a hunk of gold but tossing it away because he's more used to corn.

[JackBauer]

And here I was, hoping against hope, that that cover would be misleading... That she wouldn't die. That the issue would end in an awesome cliffhanger where Nolan and Allen arrive in the nick of time to save the day.

But no. Kirkman went with the cliched choice in the lamest possible way. Which goes against what made this book so great - taking old school tropes and making them feel all new.

But hey, why should we be surprised? From the beggining, this book has felt like 60s Spider-Man. Congrats, mister Kirkman, you now have your "Death of Gwen Stacy". Only nowhere near as great as the original.

Anyway, I'll keep reading the book for now, but I doubt it can go back to that fun, loveable, adventure it used to be. But I swear, the second Mark turns into a emo, brooding, dark hero, I'm out the door.

[Anubis]

You know, if you people don't want to read it, you could just buy a copy and send it to those of us who can't afford it. I gots no problem with Eve dying. I just wish I had the chance to actually read it. :(

Ya bunch of privileged douche bags. :o

[JackBauer]

You know, if you people don't want to read it, you could just buy a copy and send it to those of us who can't afford it. I gots no problem with Eve dying. I just wish I had the chance to actually read it. :(

Ya bunch of privileged douche bags. :o

Or maybe you should stop reading Hercules or Avengers or the latest Marvel tie-in and use the money to buy this. :o

Freeloader.

[Anubis]

First of all, Hercules and Mighty Avengers is effin' awesome and secondly, i'm not reading those either. :(


Douchebag.

[JackBauer]

First of all, Hercules and Mighty Avengers is effin' awesome and secondly, i'm not reading those either. :(


Douchebag.

You mean Hercules and Mighty Avengers ARE awesome. That's right, I'm going for the grammar attack.

Doodoohead.

[Anubis]

Nobody likes a Grammar Nazi. :o

Pee Pee breath.

[JackBauer]

Nobody likes a Grammar Nazi. :o

Pee Pee breath.

Only douchebags care about being popular.

Your penmanship is atrocious and you dress in the manner of a male prostitute.

[Anubis]

And the unpopular don't get laid until they're 35.

You....You...human paraquat!

[JackBauer]

And the unpopular don't get laid until they're 35.

You....You...human paraquat!

Then I guess I am popular after all!! :applaud

Not that I care or anything. :o

You... Robert Kirkman!!

[Anubis]

Your bag of Douche is showing. :)

You Rob Liefeld :o Oh yes, I went there. :o

[JackBauer]

Wow... I've been called many things. Handsome, sexy, douchebag... But that... Really hurts. :csad:

So now I have to go for the trifecta of lameness: you Chuck Austen, Jeph Loeb, RECENT-YEARS-FRANK MILLER!! :cmad:

[Anubis]

That's it, i'm reporting you to a mod. :o


You can't get away with that kinda language......you....you...George W. Bush you!

[JackBauer]

That's it, i'm reporting you to a mod. :o


You can't get away with that kinda language......you....you...George W. Bush you!

Go ahead, Nixon, you're the one who said the L word. You are also off-topic.

...........So, how 'bout that last Invincible issue, huh?

[Anubis]

......Jerk. :(

[JackBauer]

Doodoohead.

And so, we've come full circle. :word:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

You know, if you people don't want to read it, you could just buy a copy and send it to those of us who can't afford it. I gots no problem with Eve dying. I just wish I had the chance to actually read it. :(

Ya bunch of privileged douche bags. :o

Who said I bought it? Who said I borrowed it from a friend? Who said I went to a comic book store to read it? :D

[TheVileOne]

Are they even going to go anywhere with that subplot of Mark getting money for taking down criminals and Eve setting up a source of income for him?

[Andy C.]

Doubt it. They abandoned the whole subplot with Mark accidentally helping what's-his-face take over Machine-Head's mob.

[TheVileOne]

I dunno, some of the more recent stories in Invincible are becoming meh.

I'm starting to feel like the series peaked around issue 50.

[blksuperman2]

Friends have been telling me for awhile to read Invincible and I never really thought about it. 3 days ago I started w/ issue 1 and have read every comic up to 63.

1. Ryan Ottley's art has really grown on me and now he's one of my favorite artist. Some of his pages are really brillant.

2. This series just feels right. It's predictable at times and often repetitive but I'm enjoying the ride.

I'm hoping Eve isn't really dead. Perhaps she can rearrange her molecules in or to revive or something.... It's a comic right?

[Dread]

Are they even going to go anywhere with that subplot of Mark getting money for taking down criminals and Eve setting up a source of income for him?

That might be rough considering the latest issue.

Doubt it. They abandoned the whole subplot with Mark accidentally helping what's-his-face take over Machine-Head's mob.

They dealt with it in one issue where Titan (who was "what's his face") trying to bust out a Multi-Paul (Dupli-Cate's evil brother) for the Order, who his cartel works with, and Invincible stopping him. Paul busted himself out, Titan was booted from the cartel and Isotope decided to stick with him anyway. That's pretty much it.

I dunno, some of the more recent stories in Invincible are becoming meh.

I'm starting to feel like the series peaked around issue 50.

I wouldn't go that far. I am looking forward to the Viltrumite War.

Friends have been telling me for awhile to read Invincible and I never really thought about it. 3 days ago I started w/ issue 1 and have read every comic up to 63.

1. Ryan Ottley's art has really grown on me and now he's one of my favorite artist. Some of his pages are really brillant.

2. This series just feels right. It's predictable at times and often repetitive but I'm enjoying the ride.

I'm hoping Eve isn't really dead. Perhaps she can rearrange her molecules in or to revive or something.... It's a comic right?

Welcome aboard.

Eve may not be dead; Angstom Levy is back, right? I could see Kirkman sticking to it, though. But who knows.

[JackBauer]

I dunno, some of the more recent stories in Invincible are becoming meh.

I'm starting to feel like the series peaked around issue 50.

Nah, it was going fine, and the Invincible War was pretty awesome.

This latest development though... UGH! :down

[Andy C.]

I agree. And it's not really even the fact that Eve's dead; it's the fact that she got so unceremoniously fed to the least interesting villain the series has ever had. Just a big, meaty, easy-to-hate 'monster' Viltrumite whose sole purpose is "BWA-HA-HA I LIKE KILLING." The guy's on the same level as Doomsday in terms of existing only as a walking plot device.

I know that Kirkman's saying he's got a reason for doing it, but if it's something as weak as 'to make Mark go over the edge' or the like, I'm really not interested.

[Dread]

That's also my problem with it. If, say, Levy had killed Eve, that probably would have worked better. Or some other villain with a more established history with Mark. Conquest so far seems like a "boss" of a level; scary unto himself but in a way just seems to fulfill a plot obligation, to be an obligatory challenge to overcome. Of course I could be wrong; Bane got to break Batman on his first major thing, albeit after a year of subplots, and he went on to be a decent bad guy.

Still, though, Kirkman can vow about it being forever all he wants; he still revived Levy after two years with a very quick explanation. I'm not exactly giving up on Eve yet. That's the thing with creator owned books, they can do or shift however the creator wants. If in 2011 he's found some great way to bring Eve back, he can.

[TheVileOne]

That doesn't mean Eve is dead for good really.

Is Levy the electric guy? Honestly I think he's pretty lame and pathetic. I think he's always going to try and be some big shot trying to get revenge on Invincible but always get trounced easily. Or was Levy the brain guy?

Again, its not the type of villain that killed her that bothers me. Just the way it was done. A more significant villain doing it, I don't think it would've made it more readable.

[TheVileOne]

That doesn't mean Eve is dead for good really.

Is Levy the electric guy? Honestly I think he's pretty lame and pathetic. I think he's always going to try and be some big shot trying to get revenge on Invincible but always get trounced easily. Or was Levy the brain guy?

Again, its not the type of villain that killed her that bothers me. Just the way it was done. A more significant villain doing it, I don't think it would've made it more readable.

[Andy C.]

Levy's the brain guy, yeah. The electric guy is Powerplex, I think.

[Dread]

Angstrom Levy is "the brain guy" who can create portals to other dimensions, the cause of "The Invincible War" in issue #60 as well as schemes before, nearly killing Mark's mom and baby Oliver.

"The electric guy" is not Power-Plex; he's doing another type of energy. "The electric guy" is Kursk, a Russian villain who knows limited villains. He'll be popping up in the next ASTOUNDING WOLF-MAN issue.

[AlteredEgo]

I started picking up Invincible again recently, having not read it since Mark first met Angstrom Levy, and I gotta say, it's like visiting an old friend. I miss the style and the story-telling a lot and whenever I pick it up, it's pretty much always one of the first comics I read. Even the most recent villain, as one-dimensional as he might be, had me excited.