Stargate SG-1/Atlantis/Universe

[wiegeabo]

Almost 5 hours in California.

[Baggers]

Almost 5 hours in California.

Cool thanx :)

[wiegeabo]

I forgot Syfy airs stuff 3 hours ahead as well as the regular time. :D


Jeez, form the first second, the is a very different Stargate series... :eek:

[BlackLantern]

the gate is just pooping people out....is this supposed to be the ship that Daniel Jackson had theories about?? the one that the Ancients actually left on

[wiegeabo]

Ok, there's a definite classic Stargate feel mixed in here.

[BlackLantern]

:up: USS George S. Hammond

[Speedball]

Really liking it so far, just wish there weren't any commercials,

[wiegeabo]

Finally. Someone smart enough to use teams of three.

[BlackLantern]

of course some idiot will touch something they shouldn't

[wiegeabo]

I really can't figure out Robert Carlyle's character. He creeps me out and I can't tell when the character is being sincere or not.

It's an awesome character.

[wiegeabo]

This series is going to intense.

[Speedball]

Ok, there's a definite classic Stargate feel mixed in here.

It does have that feel, but It also feels different. Something grander... Like there's more at stake, well... because there is.

[GhostPoet]

Wow, amazing show.
I've only seen half of it so far...I was watching it live and just couldn't get sucked in as much as I'd like because stupid SyFy has commercials after every FREAKING SCENE!!

So, i'm waiting till tomorrow when it's on Xbox Live and downloading it so I can watch it completely uninterrupted on tv.

But from what i've seen it looks fantastic.

I AM still a bit worried that they won't really show aliens in this series though...everyone from SG-1 had a cameo except for Teal'C...I just hope they don't try to ditch the alien theme. :/

[Speedball]

Wow, amazing show.
I've only seen half of it so far...I was watching it live and just couldn't get sucked in as much as I'd like because stupid SyFy has commercials after every FREAKING SCENE!!

So, i'm waiting till tomorrow when it's on Xbox Live and downloading it so I can watch it completely uninterrupted on tv.

But from what i've seen it looks fantastic.

I AM still a bit worried that they won't really show aliens in this series though...everyone from SG-1 had a cameo except for Teal'C...I just hope they don't try to ditch the alien theme. :/
I'm sure we'll see aliens, but hopefully something different. I want to see more ALIENS, not people wearing makeup.

[dsfjr1190]

Robert Carlyle carries this show, and he does it perfectly. Rush is going to be the fan-favorite, the guy we love to hate.

Poor Daniel, his videos almost put Eli to sleep.

I'm already liking this show more than I liked Atlantis. Hopefully the quality keeps up.

I will definitely be tuning in next week.

[wiegeabo]

Robert Carlyle carries this show, and he does it perfectly. Rush is going to be the fan-favorite, the guy we love to hate.


Yes! That's it exactly. I really want to hate the guy, but the character's so damn fascinating.

[Arc-Light]

nice show during the commercial program..............

[Sam Fisher]

Wow, that was really good. Maybe better than Atlantis.

[Lord Blackbolt]

so I thought Lou Diamond phillips was a permanant cast member. I think I saw him for like 5 minutes and them nothing. I thought he was going to be their team leader?

[sshuttari]

Okay so after watching the first half with O Neil, Jackson, and Sam each having there own segments it's obvious this is more for the fans of the show, and not really for trying to get new fans. Not that they can't but I think it will get way too confusing for them with everything that has happened.


It has a lot of promise of being very different from previous shows. Dealing with dark situations like who will die to save the rest of the survivors of the ship. To the depth of characters as to why he/she chooses to do something that will impact the rest of the crew. Definitely something they picked up from BSG which was the basic concept of that show.

Most shocking moment for me no other races, planets, or aliens. Usually you get to see a big baddie trying to take over the galaxy in some way. But this seems more like a self contained concept within the ship. I wonder if that will change as the show progresses but this definitely has a very different vibe to it. But I don't know if I like it or not. I really enjoy Stargate for the aliens and different planet visits and races situation.

Overall the premiere was good and I liked it a lot more then the premiere for Atlantis. I think we won't get to see where it's headed and in what direction until the very end of this season.

[carrrnuttt]

Maybe better than Atlantis.

On a pilot vs. pilot basis alone, there's no "maybe" about it. That was pretty intense, and surprisingly deep.

[Dugath]

so I thought Lou Diamond phillips was a permanant cast member. I think I saw him for like 5 minutes and them nothing. I thought he was going to be their team leader?

That is what I kinda thought, though I admit I have not kept up with any news about this show. (I think I saw he died not sure if it was him or not)

[wiegeabo]

They had confirmed it at the Con, but I still forgot about it until last night.

If you're a doctor in Stargate...you're screwed.

[Baggers]

If you're a doctor in Stargate...you're screwed.

The red shirt for this generation ;)

[wiegeabo]

I noticed a few potential redshirts going planetside at the end of the episode. ;)


Although, I wonder if we'll see much in the way of redshirt syndrome in this series. There's literally a very limited number of people on Destiny, and no real hope for reinforcements. Maybe they'll pick up an alien or two. But they'd have to be willing to leave their galaxy behind forever.

[carrrnuttt]

Although, I wonder if we'll see much in the way of redshirt syndrome in this series. There's literally a very limited number of people on Destiny, and no real hope for reinforcements. Maybe they'll pick up an alien or two. But they'd have to be willing to leave their galaxy behind forever.

I have a feeling that using Eli's equations, the SGC figures out how to dial TO the Destiny, except that it's only a one-way street: anyone that goes through the gate is volunteering to be stuck billions of lightyears away.

I think this is where Lou Diamond Phillip's character eventually makes it to the Destiny.

[Eklypze]

WOW This show is great. I didnt think a Stargate show would be able to have this kinda deep meaningful feel to it but damn was I wrong. And I gotta say I fn love Eli. Sure Rush is a great and intriguing character but Eli did it for me. When he was talking to the kino and everyone tells him to shut up and he turns and looks at it and says "Im starting to have some blurred vis-WHAT?!?" Had me rolling man. I wanted to strangle that one dude at the end though Scott I think when he started saying he thought Eli would slow them down and all that anyways though yea Ill be tuning in every week

[Mostpowerful]

It was alright but something was missing. None of the new characters had enough charisma, ok maybe the fat young guy was funny.. great CGI. That sex scene was totally unexpected, too graphic and just unnecessary for this type of show, imo. I'll continue watching for a while.

[Asgard]

The sex scene was funny because it was just BLAM! right in your face when you werent expecting it.

I liked the opener. One thing I found hokey was embedding a super complex mathematical problem in a game in the hopes that someone might solve it. The series seems like itll be a little more involved in the interpersonal going ons with the crew, and that'll be fun to see.

Btw, Dr. Rush is at least partly responsible for the Senator's death, despite what he told Chloe. Like Col. Young said, he could have easily opened a portal to any number of off-world bases if he was so concerned with the blast traveling to Earth.

[wiegeabo]

To be fair, besides his selfish need to see where the ninth chevron led, I also think Rush believed that it would only have been safe to open a wormhole to the ninth chevron location because of the power drain it would cause. Opening to a location inside the galaxy may not have drained enough of the power away from an overload. So basically, instead of opening a Milky Way address and having so much power left over that it destroys both sides of the wormhole, all that extra energy is spent connecting to the Destiny, so there isn't any left over for an overload.

But he's still coming off as a selfish prick. Although he hides his selfishness within pure practicality.

[The Caped Knight]

Wow Universe is intense , It still has the classic Stargate feel to it but on a much mature tone level. This series has great potential to really expanded this franchise into a whole new level . I think this might be The Next Generation type of series in the Stargate franchise .

[Superfreak]

after Atlantis, I really wanted to hate this show... but I was pleasantly suprised. A Stargate show that takes itself a little more seriously than usual. I'm glad for that. Atlantis was just way to convenient in its narrative outcomes.

this show's got a serious 'Lost in Space' vibe goin on. I'll come back for a couple of weeks to see what's going on for sure, but I'm not sold yet. I just really hope they don't start introducing new characters, other than those relegated to the single serving episode, and I hope they don't fall into the Atlantis excuse of 'the city is huge, and full of unexplored sections' BS excuses for a gazillion seasons. I thought it would be more interesting if the ship was small, and not able to carry all 80, making the pit stops ever so more important.

[Kahoot]

I sorta dislike just how different the new Stargate is. I like the new chevrons but if you look at SG1 and SGA the Stargates look the same with different chevrons the new Stargate is 100% different plus different chevrons.

I hope you see what I mean from these pic.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Milky_Way_stargate.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Milky_Way_stargate.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Pegasus_stargate.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Pegasus_stargate.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Universe_stargate.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Universe_stargate.png

[TheCorpulent1]

It might be because it's on a ship and/or because it's built to operate way, way farther out than either of the other two gates. Although you're right, the chevrons don't even look like constellations.

The pilot was surprisingly good. I enjoyed it muchly. Scott was right that we tend to take the gate and everything for granted. That was clearly a message to the viewers from the showrunners to keep an open mind and not to assume we've seen everything the Stargate franchise has to offer yet, and it seems to be warranted, based on the pilot. Several interesting characters were set up, the senator dying was surprising because I totally pegged Colonel Young as the one who would sacrifice himself, and Eli gave us a good everyman POV and some of the distinctive Stargate humor to keep things from being overly dark and depressing. I'm looking forward to the next episode. :up:

[Kahoot]

It might be because it's on a ship and/or because it's built to operate way, way farther out than either of the other two gates. Although you're right, the chevrons don't even look like constellations.
I've just been reading up on the gates. The glyphs don't look like constellations the chevrons (which I thought were the glyphs) are the bits on the side that light up and lock.

I think they might not look like constellations coz it's some sort of super gate that connects to any Stargate network. But if I had to guess all the gates on all the planets that we'll see will probably look the same even if they should look like the old style of gates with new constellation glyphs.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it seems like this is the new gate design. It'd probably be too costly to design different gates for the planets.

Looking at the glyphs (thanks for the correction) again, it seems like they might be Ancient writing. Maybe the Ancients decided to switch from constellation symbols to text at some point (or vice-versa, depending on when they sent the ships out relative to when they created the Milky Way and Pegasus networks).

[Kahoot]

They'd just need to make a second gate for off word. They had three or four gates in SG1 and SGA.

Ancient writing was very blocky and ugly if you ask me and the new glyphs are cool and stylish.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ancient writing just looks like weird geometric shapes to me, which is what those glyphs are. Although, I don't recall seeing any round shapes in Ancient writing, so I'm probably wrong.

[Kahoot]

I wonder if they'll ever really explain it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Probably. The Stargate writers love explaining stuff. Consider how much we know now about the backstory of the gates and various aliens as opposed to what we knew about them in season 1 of SG-1.

[Kahoot]

But there really aren't many scientists on the Destiny who could go into it. Rush and Eli and a bunch of redshirts. Eli doesn't know anything about Stargates and Rush doesn't really come over as a Carter or McKay who wants to explain the Stargate away.

[TheCorpulent1]

You never know, some of those redshirts may wind up being the next Dr. Lees or Zelenkas. And Rush is driven to know pretty much everything concerning the ninth chevron, it seems, so I'm sure he'll be interested in learning as much as possible about everything and explaining it to others when the scripts call for it. Eli's a prodigy, so I'm sure he'll pick up on everything quickly enough. McKay and Carter didn't know everything there was to know about stargates right from the start, either.

[Sam Fisher]

The pilot is free on itunes right now:up:

[RetroNaz]

I really enjoyed the episode a great deal. It has the right kind of BSG feel to it, that makes me almost feel like BSG's soul has come back in the form of this show :)

I'm liking the character developments so far...please tell me that wasn't Lou that was dead on screen!?

[wiegeabo]

I really enjoyed the episode a great deal. It has the right kind of BSG feel to it, that makes me almost feel like BSG's soul has come back in the form of this show :)

I'm liking the character developments so far...please tell me that wasn't Lou that was dead on screen!?

The one that died on base that TJ was working on was the Doctor.

Proving the being an SGC doctor is a terminal condition.

[Baggers]

I really enjoyed the episode a great deal. It has the right kind of BSG feel to it, that makes me almost feel like BSG's soul has come back in the form of this show :)

I'm liking the character developments so far...please tell me that wasn't Lou that was dead on screen!?

Nah, I think that was the base's main Doctor

David Telford: "Colonel Telford piloted an F-302 in defense of the Icarus Base during an attack from unknown Ha'taks and Death Gliders. During the battle, the planet's core becomes unstable and the Tau'ri defense is forced to retreat. He is ordered by the commander of the Hammond, Samantha Carter, to recall his F-302 squadron within two minutes, before the jump to hyperspace. As such he is separated from those who go through the Stargate to the Destiny and feels they are not qualified to survive on their own"

http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/David_Telford

Above site says he'll be in eps Earth and Subversion

[Baggers]

The one that died on base that TJ was working on was the Doctor.

Proving the being an SGC doctor is a terminal condition.

Defo the Red shirts of the Stargate Franchise:

Janet Fraiser: Died 2004: SG-1: Heroes, Part 2

Carson Beckett: Died 2007: SGA: Sunday

SGU Doctor (not sure of his name): Died 2009: SGU: Air part 1

Whatever happened to Dr. Warner, the first doctor of the SGC in SG-1??

[Eklypze]

Ive never been an avid Stargate fan more of a casual one but that ep when Frasier died almost had me in tears. It was soooo unexpected

[RetroNaz]

Oh thank god for that.

Can't wait for the new additon/s.

Will be interesting to see if the storyline is that people can come through the gate, but not leave?

[Heisenberg]

Never seen Stargate before, decided to give SGU a go and was pleasently surprised. I didn't find it hard to follow, although I presume I would have gotten more from the episode had I seen the other shows. What are they like in relation to this (tonally, thematically etc.)?

[Superfreak]

Ive never been an avid Stargate fan more of a casual one but that ep when Frasier died almost had me in tears. It was soooo unexpected

except that all the previews had stated loudly that Someone would die. Daniel had alreday died... so there weren't that many main characters who could die.

[zanos]

The pilot blows. It was all setup and not much else for an entire 90 minutes. I don't even like the characters. I better see some dramatically improved episodes soon.

[TheCorpulent1]

Never seen Stargate before, decided to give SGU a go and was pleasently surprised. I didn't find it hard to follow, although I presume I would have gotten more from the episode had I seen the other shows. What are they like in relation to this (tonally, thematically etc.)?
Much more humorous, largely because of Richard Dean Anderson's O'Neill character, who was very wry and sardonic about everything. SG-1 started out with a Star Trekkish tone in that each episode was very self-contained and just used the standard underlying plot of "team goes to planet, discovers weirdness, deals with it, returns home." That gave way to much more serialized storytelling in later seasons, although there were always a few self-contained episodes in each season. Atlantis started during SG-1's 8th season and was basically more of the same as SG-1. The writing got pretty stale and, although they kept raising the stakes, they relied on the same deus ex machinas and plot devices to resolve problems. So by the end of SG-1 and Atlantis, everything felt really boring and samey.

SGU is nice in that it brings some novelty back to the franchise. The pilot felt much fresher because everyone was in over their head, there's no super-genius around to fix every problem, they don't have the considerable resources they reverse-engineered from alien stuff over the course of SG-1 and Atlantis, etc. How long they can keep that up is another question entirely, though.

[GhostPoet]

Much more humorous, largely because of Richard Dean Anderson's O'Neill character, who was very wry and sardonic about everything. SG-1 started out with a Star Trekkish tone in that each episode was very self-contained and just used the standard underlying plot of "team goes to planet, discovers weirdness, deals with it, returns home." That gave way to much more serialized storytelling in later seasons, although there were always a few self-contained episodes in each season. Atlantis started during SG-1's 8th season and was basically more of the same as SG-1. The writing got pretty stale and, although they kept raising the stakes, they relied on the same deus ex machinas and plot devices to resolve problems. So by the end of SG-1 and Atlantis, everything felt really boring and samey.

SGU is nice in that it brings some novelty back to the franchise. The pilot felt much fresher because everyone was in over their head, there's no super-genius around to fix every problem, they don't have the considerable resources they reverse-engineered from alien stuff over the course of SG-1 and Atlantis, etc. How long they can keep that up is another question entirely, though.

Agreed! During Atlantis and even during the latter seasons of SG-1...the dangers just stopped feeling all that big. Yes, they kept raising the stakes...but since every previous disaster was handled so easily and wrapped up in a nice pretty bow at the end of each episode...the dangers just stopped being exciting. Even the Stargate (I felt) took a sort of backseat.

One thing i've noticed from SGU so far...is that the show is bringing back the mystery of the Stargate itself. It's making traveling through the gate new and exciting again because we see the awe and caution that this new team feels. Basically, it IS making it fresh. Making the gate an important part of the story and not just a set piece to get the team from one place to the next.

[BlackLantern]

Ming Na is an IOA paper pusher....Im not sure how I feel about that

[TheCorpulent1]

Why? Seems like a good role. I'm curious what her relationship with TJ is.

[wiegeabo]

Why? Seems like a good role. I'm curious what her relationship with TJ is.

As am I. I know Na's character is gay, but I hadn't heard the same for TJ. So, for now, I'm assuming that's not the basis of their relationship.

[TheCorpulent1]

The IOA chick is gay? They didn't really touch on it at all in the episode. I thought she was just TJ's mentor and TJ had promised she'd stay on past her required tour but changed her mind, which created the conflict for that tense office scene we saw in the pilot.

[wiegeabo]

The IOA chick is gay? They didn't really touch on it at all in the episode. I thought she was just TJ's mentor and TJ had promised she'd stay on past her required tour but changed her mind, which created the conflict for that tense office scene we saw in the pilot.

Yeah, it wasn't touched on during the episode. Probably to keep the question of why there's tension between them going.

But Ming Na said the character was gay at the Con panel.

[BlackLantern]

office affairs never end well

[Baggers]

Sky One just cut the sex scene from SGU ;) lol

[Baggers]

Rhona Mitra cast in recurring SGU role, as...

Kiva: “a strong-willed commander of an alien incursion force. Kiva will do whatever it takes to safeguard her people even if it is at the ultimate expense of the Destiny crew.”

Mitra will appear in a 3-episode arc at the end of the season, including “Subversion” and the the 2-part season finale, “Incursion.”

According to previously released casting documents, Kiva is a commander in the Lucian Alliance — the group which the Destiny crew speculated may have been behind the attack on the Icarus Base in the series premiere, “Air, Part 1.”

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2009/10/rhona-mitra-cast-in-recurring-sgu-role/

[TheCorpulent1]

Interesting.

[Baggers]

Interesting.

Yup could Rhona Mitra's characther be a spy, the reason why Lucian Alliance found Icarus Base, could this mean there are more Lucian Alliance agents on board??

[TheCorpulent1]

That would certainly be interesting.

[Baggers]

That would certainly be interesting.

Yup, and add another problem for the Destiny crew to sort out. I'm sensing this idea could push the crew's buttons, and cue paranoia and violence. I see some of the crew coming after Mr Rush ;)

[GhostPoet]

I really hope the Lucian Alliance get's more of a role in this new series. they've always been a favorite of mine!

[Baggers]

I really hope the Lucian Alliance get's more of a role in this new series. they've always been a favorite of mine!

Not really a big fan, but hoping SGU changes my mind on that.

[TheCorpulent1]

I hope we stay away from one big, central villain, personally. The Goa'uld and Wraith worked for the previous shows because they were more adventurey, but if SGU is gonna be as character-centric as they say, I don't really want one race of dastardly arch-villains to be behind everything.

[Superfreak]

Yup could Rhona Mitra's characther be a spy, the reason why Lucian Alliance found Icarus Base, could this mean there are more Lucian Alliance agents on board??

I already saw that tv show

[Superfreak]

I really hope the Lucian Alliance get's more of a role in this new series. they've always been a favorite of mine!

really, I thought the concept itself was sound, but the excecution was poor... my hate lies in my dislike of the 'head' lucian alliance dude, who came across more impotent, than important. Was not impressed. Too much emporer like villainy, and not enough Corellian Renegade for my tastes

After the fall of the Ori though, the LA was really the only major villainous group left in the SG milky way that we knew of, so it's obvious why they chose them.

[Superfreak]

I hope we stay away from one big, central villain, personally. The Goa'uld and Wraith worked for the previous shows because they were more adventurey, but if SGU is gonna be as character-centric as they say, I don't really want one race of dastardly arch-villains to be behind everything.

Isn't Rush the villain? or did I miss something?

[TheCorpulent1]

Rush is an a**hole. I don't think he's a villain, though.

[Baggers]

I already saw that tv show

BSG?? I see what you mean...

really, I thought the concept itself was sound, but the excecution was poor... my hate lies in my dislike of the 'head' lucian alliance dude, who came across more impotent, than important. Was not impressed. Too much emporer like villainy, and not enough Corellian Renegade for my tastes

After the fall of the Ori though, the LA was really the only major villainous group left in the SG milky way that we knew of, so it's obvious why they chose them.

Yeah, I just find them boring, like how I found The Genii in SGA, the only thing that made them cool was Acastus Kolya.

[Baggers]

Isn't Rush the villain? or did I miss something?

Not a villian, but he knows more than he is telling. Also thru out the two parter I felt like he was upto something, like he was plotting. Also I can't wait to see what he did when he went back to Earth and took over Doctor Lee for awhile...

[Happenstance]

Right ive just watched the episodes, as a show im interested but as a Stargate show I feel a bit let down

My main problem is the characters, now in SG1 and Atlantis characters were established straight away, I learnt their names, understood what they were about and liked most. With SGU I could only tell you a few character names so far and most im not finding particularly interesting. Yeah I know im sure we will find out more about them later on but for a pilot you really need to start off strong and I dont think that they did.

Second episode (or middle of the 3 part pilot I guess) felt a bit slow but im sure once seen altogether it will be ok.

I hope there will be more humour in the show once they have settled into their situation, I know Eli had some during these episodes but we'll see.

Love the extra budget obviously given to them, Destiny looks great and I really like the effect when its flying through space and its being washed over.

Obviously brilliant seeing O'Neill, Jackson, Carter, Walter, Dr Lee and pilot for the Hammond who apparently Carter stole from the Deadalus I think. Feel a bit sad that they couldnt work Teal'c into a quick cameo just because he was left out. Also maybe more of a mention of Atlantis past their mention of the database. Something like McKay on a computer screen trying to help with the calculations.

It did take me about a season for Atlantis to grow on me and of course I will be watching SGU everyweek but as I said, its still not feeling enough like Stargate for me.

[Dark Helmet]

Not a villian, but he knows more than he is telling. Also thru out the two parter I felt like he was upto something, like he was plotting. Also I can't wait to see what he did when he went back to Earth and took over Doctor Lee for awhile...

Plotting little bastard ain't he

[Superfreak]

Not a villian, but he knows more than he is telling. Also thru out the two parter I felt like he was upto something, like he was plotting. Also I can't wait to see what he did when he went back to Earth and took over Doctor Lee for awhile...

I get an evil Dr. Smith vibe from him ala Lost in Space

[Baggers]

Plotting little bastard ain't he

Yes ;) lol

I get an evil Dr. Smith vibe from him ala Lost in Space

Yeah that very true. Also his little grin at the begining of the ep when he is watching over, looking at people coming thru the Stargate. He was just standing there grining, made him look alittle creepy in that scene, not sure about Rush atm

[Superfreak]

Yes ;) lol



Yeah that very true. Also his little grin at the begining of the ep when he is watching over, looking at people coming thru the Stargate. He was just standing there grining, made him look alittle creepy in that scene, not sure about Rush atm

like I think he called the LA, that being the reason for his impatience perhaps?

[Happenstance]

like I think he called the LA, that being the reason for his impatience perhaps?

Thats something I have wondered aswell

[Superfreak]

BSG?? I see what you mean...



Yeah, I just find them boring, like how I found The Genii in SGA, the only thing that made them cool was Acastus Kolya.

and the only reason he was cool was because he was played by Rob Davi. It's the only reason that character lived on.

[Baggers]

Thats something I have wondered aswell

There just something "off" about him...

[Baggers]

and the only reason he was cool was because he was played by Rob Davi. It's the only reason that character lived on.

:up: what a badass :)

[TheCorpulent1]

It did take me about a season for Atlantis to grow on me and of course I will be watching SGU everyweek but as I said, its still not feeling enough like Stargate for me.
Kind of a good thing to me. Stargate's standard formula was getting pretty stale to me over the last few years. I'm glad we don't necessarily have a specific "gate team" of four or five people. I'm glad we have a lot of mystery to some of the characters still.

I think part of the reason SG-1 got stale in its final few years was that we knew all there was to the characters, pretty much, and when the writers tried to deviate from those characterizations, fans got upset. I mean, Daniel was practically O'Neill-Lite by season 9, whereas he was O'Neill's polar opposite in the earlier seasons. When did that change happen? Daniel felt really weird to me in those last few seasons because the writers were trying new things, but we'd all already become acquainted with the character for 7 or 8 years and over a hundred episodes by then.

So yeah, SGU so far lacks that familiar, comfortable Stargate feel, but I think that opens it up to more interesting possibilities. Maybe it'll be the Deep Space 9 of the Stargate universe.

[Mostpowerful]

Deep Space 9 rocked.. for the most part. Didn't dig that ending with Cap. Sisko.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I loved DS9. But I was talking about its tonal shift relative to the other Star Trek series. It's sort of the black sheep of the Star Trek family, but that's not so bad because it explored different areas and very much has its own identity, as opposed to Voyager, which played it safe and came off like TNG's inferior cousin.

[Happenstance]

Well ive said what I needed to on what im not sure on, time to move onto the more positive things I think.

The Destiny looked amazing. I never liked the Ancient warship design in Atlantis so im glad this one is a lot better.

I'll be interested to see how this show goes in the long run, I know theyve said they dont want a "big bad" like the Goa'uld or the Wraith but sooner or later they should start fixing their problems.

If they actually had the right materials they'd be able to get someone in from Earth to build the Asgard equipment used in the last ep of SG1 for unlimited recources. Of course that wont happen as it would make life for them way too easy and it'd basically turn into Voyager.

[wiegeabo]

Most people who dog DS9 didn't make it to season 3. Once they got the Defiant (read, the producers realized that you actually need a starship in Star Trek), it really took off in quality.


And Daniel Jackson's characterization shifted once the Ancients kicked him out in season 7. He sort of became disillusioned with them and didn't revere them the way he used to. So that could explain his change in attitude. Especially after he found out Anubis was partially ascended, and yet the Ancients were leaving him alone.

[Happenstance]

Most people who dog DS9 didn't make it to season 3. Once they got the Defiant (read, the producers realized that you actually need a starship in Star Trek), it really took off in quality.


And Daniel Jackson's characterization shifted once the Ancients kicked him out in season 7. He sort of became disillusioned with them and didn't revere them the way he used to. So that could explain his change in attitude. Especially after he found out Anubis was partially ascended, and yet the Ancients were leaving him alone.

Yeah it was that but unfortunately it was also them trying to fill the void from RDA leaving so Jackson got a bit too sarcastic at times. I still liked the character but they changed him just a bit too much I think.

[Mostpowerful]

Yeah it was that but unfortunately it was also them trying to fill the void from RDA leaving so Jackson got a bit too sarcastic at times. I still liked the character but they changed him just a bit too much I think.

I agree. I remember in the movie and at the beginning of the series he was supposed to be more.. um nerdy?

In later seasons he lost all that and became more like a soldier. He even got all buffed up and all... somewhat out of character, I agree.

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.

[wiegeabo]

I didn't have a problem with Daniel's change.

The galaxy became a very dangerous place when Anubis showed up, and he adapted. The essence of his character, the archeologist, was still there. But years of fighting System Lords and replicators for Earth and the galaxy toughened him up and made him a better fighter. I see it as a natural progression. He was always getting into it with Jack, the bad guys, and others (most often with Jack) anyway. The sarcasm was always there. It's just, with Jack gone, all we saw was the sarcasm with the bad guys and others.

[TheCorpulent1]

He was the moral center of the team. The rest were all military people (although Teal'c was from a different military, obviously), so Daniel was the odd man out who questioned the morality of things when the others were ready and willing to kill or take drastic action. Then season 9 rolls around and suddenly Daniel's the one rushing to weaponize everything and destroy the Ori and trample over others' beliefs and such. It's that lack of questioning himself and the state of the universe that bugged me about Daniel in the last two seasons. That was at the core of his character initially, but by season 9 it was just gone.

[wiegeabo]

He was the moral center of the team. The rest were all military people (although Teal'c was from a different military, obviously), so Daniel was the odd man out who questioned the morality of things when the others were ready and willing to kill or take drastic action. Then season 9 rolls around and suddenly Daniel's the one rushing to weaponize everything and destroy the Ori and trample over others' beliefs and such. That was a little odd to me.

He was trying to convince everyone that the Ori were false gods. No different from when he tried to convince everyone that the Go'uld were false gods.

Well, it was a bit different because Daniel used to be ascended. He knew the power ascended beings have, and what the Ori could do. And that if the Ori became strong enough to take out the Ancients, then there'd be no hope. Add to that the fact the Ori and their forces were essential unstoppable. The Go'uld could be fought and slowed down by conventional weapons and means, but not the Ori. So the quest to find a way to fight them became all consuming. He was still the moral center, although Cam did some of that too. But Daniel also learned that sometimes you just have to kick some ass.

Besides, if a character never changes, then they become stale. Jack was promoted (although his promotion to General feels like Kirk's promotion to Admiral. Not quite a comfortable fit). Sam developed a personal life. Teal'c became a politician. Even Vala became rather heroic.

[GhostPoet]

Near the end Daniel pretty much became JackDaniel

[wiegeabo]

Near the end Daniel pretty much became JackDaniel

Bwahahaha. Best nickname ever.

[BlackLantern]

this show does have a different vibe to it because most of them have no ****ing clue whats happening....except for Rush

[Sam Fisher]

Near the end Daniel pretty much became JackDaniel
:lmao:

[Gold Samurai]

Near the end Daniel pretty much became JackDaniel

I remember when Cameron and Sam went invisible and went to another dimension.

Dr. Lee was explaining something to Daniel and Daniel went

"What?!?!"

Total Jack right there



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First he cut his hair in season 2's season finale then was shown pumping iron in season 7's "Orpheus"

It's natural progression and also Shanks wanted to distance himself from being just James Spader's Daniel Jackson 2.0.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't mind his physical changes at all. It makes sense that the nerdy scientist surrounded by badass military-types and going on off-world missions every other day would want to bulk up. It makes sense that he'd adopt a more practical haircut. It even makes sense that he'd finally get some weapons training and start carrying a P90 like the big boys (and Carter).

My problem was that he seemed to lose the core of his moralistic, scientist self. He never really questioned anything the way he used to. I guess it makes sense that he'd become emotionally hardened over the years, but I didn't like it. It took away something essentially Daniel Jacksony from the Daniel Jackson of seasons 9 and 10.

[Happenstance]

I don't mind his physical changes at all. It makes sense that the nerdy scientist surrounded by badass military-types and going on off-world missions every other day would want to bulk up. It makes sense that he'd adopt a more practical haircut. It even makes sense that he'd finally get some weapons training and start carrying a P90 like the big boys (and Carter).

My problem was that he seemed to lose the core of his moralistic, scientist self. He never really questioned anything the way he used to. I guess it makes sense that he'd become emotionally hardened over the years, but I didn't like it. It took away something essentially Daniel Jacksony from the Daniel Jackson of seasons 9 and 10.

Pretty much exactly my opinion aswell

[BlackLantern]

you saw some of that when he was around Vala....but he was a total a-hole to her in 'Unending' during their argument after the time bubble thing...I felt bad for her

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, Vala grew on me. Daniel was a total jerk to her a lot.

[Gold Samurai]

Then Daniel went postal on Vala in the series finale and quickly did a 180.

He was also getting pretty pissed at the Ancients when he visited Atlantis

"Yeah I know you're up there and i'm getting sick and tired!"

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, I can understand his anger at the Ancients. They're complete douchebags.

[Happenstance]

We arent going to see Vala in the new SG1 movie are we? I know its more based on O'Neill but I thought I read somewhere that she wouldnt be in this one.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know, I haven't really followed anything about the new movie.

[Happenstance]

Its a shame that the 2 new movies look like they may be delayed a bit due to dropping dvd sales, apparently they want to wait until the dvd market starts to get better.

[GhostPoet]

WOOT! I'm really excited for the next episode. Can't wait to see their first adventure planetside. :)

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing how they handle the weekly planet adventures.

[BlackLantern]

Yeah, Vala grew on me. Daniel was a total jerk to her a lot.

she has kidnapped and knocked him out on occasion

[wiegeabo]

she has kidnapped and knocked him out on occasion

Yeah. They didn't quite get off to the best of starts.

[TheCorpulent1]

Meh, ancient history by the point we were talking about. She'd proven herself by then. Daniel was just being a jerk because he was Jack-Lite by then, and Jack would've totally been a jerk to her.

[RetroNaz]

I'm waiting to find out if they go with the "alien of the week" concept...

[Superfreak]

I'm waiting to find out if they go with the "alien of the week" concept...

don't you mean the 'human' of the week concept

[TheCorpulent1]

The producers said they were going to try to do fewer aliens but make them much more freaky and non-human. So I'm guessing most of the episodes will feature some kind of situation that the SGU people need to figure out, as opposed to an alien villain that they have to defeat.

[Happenstance]

Yeah I think we'll get a proper non-humanion alien every now and again but it'll probably mostly be them exploring/working on the ship or problems they have to overcome.

I wonder how long it'll be before an episode comes up where they are on a planet and they miss gating back within the time limit, its gotta come up at some point.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, 12 hours isn't much given some of the situations the SG-1 and Atlantis teams have gotten into.

[BlackLantern]

maybe its like Sliders where the timer changes depending on the gate or whatever the ship is feeling....I thought gates didn't stay open past 38 minutes or something like that

[Happenstance]

What they really need to do is just use the communications device, get Carter and McKay on the ship then they'd all be home again by the end of the week :p

[Happenstance]

maybe its like Sliders where the timer changes depending on the gate or whatever the ship is feeling....I thought gates didn't stay open past 38 minutes or something like that

The gate wont stay active for the 12 hours, thats just the time before the ship will jump back into FTL and they gate wont work again.

[TheCorpulent1]

What they really need to do is just use the communications device, get Carter and McKay on the ship then they'd all be home again by the end of the week :p
Yeah, it's gonna be kind of tought explaining why they don't do that, if they bother to explain it all. I mean, obviously they'd want their science wunderkinds working on the Destiny rather than the dregs of the science department that wound up there.

Although, last we saw the communication stones, Rush was making sure no one else could use them. He'll probably hide them or abandon them on a planet or something so no one can dispute his story about being placed in charge.

[Happenstance]

We never actually saw Rush making sure nobody else could use them, just taking control of Dr Lee and saying that O'Neil has put him in charge (although I doubt thats the case)

Im pretty sure they use it again in upcoming episodes for contact with Earth anyway.

[TheCorpulent1]

We never actually saw Rush making sure nobody else could use them, just taking control of Dr Lee and saying that O'Neil has put him in charge (although I doubt thats the case)

Im pretty sure they use it again in upcoming episodes for contact with Earth anyway.
I thought Rush held onto them and refused to let others use them in the pilot. If he's still got them, it wouldn't surprise me if he tried to hide them or something.

[Happenstance]

I dont remember him not letting anyone else use them, Col Young wanted to I think but the air problem just kind of took over.

One thing I would have liked mentioned was that they obviously werent the original Ancient communications devices used first in SG1 then later in Atlantis. We can assume they were reverse engineered but it would have been nice to say that for long time fans.

[wiegeabo]

I dont remember him not letting anyone else use them, Col Young wanted to I think but the air problem just kind of took over.

One thing I would have liked mentioned was that they obviously werent the original Ancient communications devices used first in SG1 then later in Atlantis. We can assume they were reverse engineered but it would have been nice to say that for long time fans.

Not everything had to be done in the pilot. We've got to have stuff for future episodes. ;)

[Happenstance]

Not everything had to be done in the pilot. We've got to have stuff for future episodes. ;)

Yes but that was just a small thing which would be more likely to come up when they first use and explain it than later

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think it needed to be mentioned. I saw it and figured they just reverse-engineered the original base to be more compact. It was sort of an awkward shape to carry around.

[LadyVader]

Boy this 3rd episode was soooooo... different. And I'm not sure what was different in a good way or a bad way. I thought the mission would be a tad more exciting. It started promising, a planet that doesn't look like Canada!

But more and more time passed and nothing happened but bickering and Rush being a prissy scientist guy, Scott and Greer being soldiers, Eli trying to be the ultimate geek. I mean I want to know these characters but at the same time I'm like... when is something exciting going to happen. They have guns, don't they get to use them? I mean other then on each other.

When Rush started hallucinating I thought: "Cool, maybe it's gonna be some Solaris type **** with the planet talking to them" but nah. They were regular ol' hallucinations. And just what was with the silly flashback with the priest? It was just weird.

All in all they didn't do anything to explain what the sand thingies were, those two scientist are out and about LOST on some other planet, at the end they inserted that on the nose song "just breathe". Yeah, subtle.

I don't know. Am I being overly critical? Is this actually the beginning of something? Those locked adresses obviously have to mean something, like there's some big baddie in control of certain planets or something. I just wish if we WILL have a big villain race, they won't be some Goa'uld clone like the Wraith.

[RetroNaz]

Boy this 3rd episode was soooooo... different. And I'm not sure what was different in a good way or a bad way. I thought the mission would be a tad more exciting. It started promising, a planet that doesn't look like Canada!

But more and more time passed and nothing happened but bickering and Rush being a prissy scientist guy, Scott and Greer being soldiers, Eli trying to be the ultimate geek. I mean I want to know these characters but at the same time I'm like... when is something exciting going to happen. They have guns, don't they get to use them? I mean other then on each other.

When Rush started hallucinating I thought: "Cool, maybe it's gonna be some Solaris type **** with the planet talking to them" but nah. They were regular ol' hallucinations. And just what was with the silly flashback with the priest? It was just weird.

All in all they didn't do anything to explain what the sand thingies were, those two scientist are out and about LOST on some other planet, at the end they inserted that on the nose song "just breathe". Yeah, subtle.

I don't know. Am I being overly critical? Is this actually the beginning of something? Those locked adresses obviously have to mean something, like there's some big baddie in control of certain planets or something. I just wish if we WILL have a big villain race, they won't be some Goa'uld clone like the Wraith.

lol perhaps a little critical for my tastes since I really enjoyed this episode, but we're all free to express how we think of the show.

Personally I enjoyed the story in this episode as it gave us a further peak at what these characters are like and provided us with hints of possible future storylines.

One example of this, would be a fun little side story featuring the two team members that went through the gate to another planet.

The sand demon or whatever it was, added to the mystery of the show...and that's something the show seems to be enforcing a lot of. Mystery.

The only thing I'm hoping is that they don't over do it with the communication stones...that could grow quite tedious after a while.

The biggest question I have, is what was that small ship that took off from the main ship right at the very end of the episode? A spy? The responsible ones for the main ship being in its current state?

p.s still can't quite shake that BSG vibe this has going for it.

[BlackLantern]

also those people that went through the locked off gate address...what happened to them?

Im still looking for a character to like on this show...im a bit neutral right now

[Superfreak]

I thought the episode was alright. I like Young, but he's grounded. I have to admit though, I fast forwarded through 99% of the walking through the desert, only stoping to watch their breaks. I'm on the fence too. I didn't like the format change from the premier. I was hoping they'd stick with it, because it was a good way to see the story told. I'm dissappointed that they went into generic narrative.

[Mostpowerful]

Loooved it.

Very compelling. My favorite thing. Also, the show is visually.. nice and stylish. Like it a lot.

What was that little ship at the end? Intriguing.

[Mostpowerful]

lol perhaps a little critical for my tastes since I really enjoyed this episode, but we're all free to express how we think of the show.

Personally I enjoyed the story in this episode as it gave us a further peak at what these characters are like and provided us with hints of possible future storylines.

One example of this, would be a fun little side story featuring the two team members that went through the gate to another planet.

The sand demon or whatever it was, added to the mystery of the show...and that's something the show seems to be enforcing a lot of. Mystery.

The only thing I'm hoping is that they don't over do it with the communication stones...that could grow quite tedious after a while.

The biggest question I have, is what was that small ship that took off from the main ship right at the very end of the episode? A spy? The responsible ones for the main ship being in its current state?

p.s still can't quite shake that BSG vibe this has going for it.

True. I like it so far. I didn't like the premier that much, but this ep was very character-driven, and I liked that.

[Eklypze]

I like Eli alot for some reason. When he wouldnt shut up about seeing the statue of liberty I couldnt stop laughing. Everyone doggin on him is startin to piss me off for some reason though

[LadyVader]

Character driven? Seriously. Scott knocked up some chick? That's his big drama. O'Neill's son shot himself with his daddy's gun. Daniel watched his parents die. That's drama.

And Greer was just being a bully with Rush. I will admit that the doc had balls going against a guy who's twice his size. But overall they were acting like idiots. :rolleyes:

[Eklypze]

Im sure intense heat and dehydration can cause somewhat erratic behavior

[BlackLantern]

I like Eli alot for some reason. When he wouldnt shut up about seeing the statue of liberty I couldnt stop laughing. Everyone doggin on him is startin to piss me off for some reason though

he's fat, annoying, and can't follow a simple instruction...shut your gob and walk

my question is what is Dr. Rush doing and why is being on the ship so important??

[Eklypze]

he's fat, annoying, and can't follow a simple instruction

Yea that pretty much sums up why I like him. I dont think hes annoying though for real. He is fat though and that makes him funny by default cuz fat people are just inherently funny

[BlackLantern]

to me...the lack of ability to follow a simple instruction is a trust issue...comes from my time in the service I think

[Eklypze]

Dude, he isnt a soldier. Hes a nerdy gamer that just got sucked into this whole mess cuz actually hes probably smarter than Rush could ever hope to be. And how doesnt he follow instructions anyway? Cuz he was trying to lighten the mood? And if you ask me he really stepped up there at the end and literally risked losing an arm to save everybody. Yea he has alot of trouble following instructions

[BlackLantern]

exactly, he is there due to a ****ed up situation....all the more reason to be a little more mindful of others that are better equipped...

I don't know what Rushs deal is...he has to be tied to the Ancients somehow

[Eklypze]

I just feel like hes an obsessed scientist really

[wiegeabo]

So far, Eli does one thing in each episode that really annoys the hell out of me. In the premier it was narrating to the kino. That's probably just his coping mechanism, but it felt really, really out of place. This episode it was the Planet of the Apes thing.

But the rest of the time, I have no problem with him. I don't know what it is.

[TheCorpulent1]

Pretty much what I expected based on what the producers have said so far: very little emphasis on aliens and the traditional sci fi adventure stuff of Stargate, much more focus on characters. The whole thrust of the episode was character-centric, with the situation bringing all the simmering resentment and angst between several of the characters bubbling to the surface. I thought that was done pretty well.

Scott's backstory and how it played into his current situation was interesting. I hated and loved Greer and Rush at various times throughout the episode, which was good because it showed me they're trying to bring out different sides of the characters and make them more 3-dimensional. Although Rush is mostly just a dick. I hope we get an episode at some point to show us why exactly he is the way he is. Eli's Planet of the Apes thing was fine in theory but awkwardly delivered, I thought. It annoyed me. But his "I have a gun" line later on in the episode made me laugh out loud. So I'll call my reaction to Eli even here. I thought it was interesting how the hardened military guys all seem to like Eli, as opposed to the other whiny scientists; I guess they figure Eli is so new that he doesn't know any better, like the other scientists should. They've still got time to mold Eli into someone who's not totally useless without a beaker or computer.

I loved that we got literally just the visual of the little dust devil alien. Aliens were treated so matter-of-factly after encountering so many on SG-1 and Atlantis--the vast majority of whom were flat-out human, let alone humanoid--that it's refreshing to see them retain some mystery on SGU. It gave the episode an almost mystical, spiritual feel, which was cool and tied into Scott's backstory and character arc in the episode pretty well.

Good stuff overall. Vastly different from the earlier Stargate series, from the presentation of the aliens to the relative ineptitude and volatility of the characters and even down to the pop song they played at the end. But given that we've had 15 seasons of the earlier Stargate feel and tone, I'm glad the people behind the show are trying something new. It seems like a real labor of love so far, as opposed to the by-the-numbers feel that SG-1 and Atlantis got toward their ends. I look forward to more.

[LadyVader]

I would be so resentful to the series if they have the potential to show us the most amazing and interesting aliens Stargate has ever known but don't take the time to explain them or introduce them because members of the team are having "issues". :rolleyes:

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm sure we'll have alien-centric episodes now and then.

[Gilpesh]

don't take the time to explain them
Explain how? Do you really want the strange sand being to stop suddenly understand English and speak it and just go over its race's history on the planet?

I'm fine with aliens being mysterious. :awesome:





But what about that shuttle pod thing at the end? :wow:

[wiegeabo]

Ok, I apparently missed some stuff during the episode (I kept getting pulled away from the tv). Seems like Scott was going to enter the Seminary but ended up getting an underage (or maybe this was when he was also a teenager) girl pregnant. I completely missed that very important bit. And now it makes sense. He had pretty much ruined his life. He had no way of supporting a kid, the Seminary was out, and if she wasn't going to have the baby, that's another strike against him. Now I'm interested to see how he decided to become a soldier.

And I missed the small ship at the end too! I'm suspecting a drone that was designed to warn someone if Destiny became active again. New enemy who wants Destiny tech maybe?

[Gilpesh]

And I missed the small ship at the end too! I'm suspecting a drone that was designed to warn someone if Destiny became active again. New enemy who wants Destiny tech maybe?
It's weird though. The Destiny ship looks much older and in much worse condition than the Atlantis ship. Who would even want a ship like Destiny?
They are really going to need to work on that. Maybe then I could buy that people want the ship, once they fix it up and they figure out that there's actually something worth fighting for on it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Who said anyone wanted the Destiny? They wanted to know what the 9th chevron led to. It just happened to be the Destiny, and now everyone's trapped there. As far as I can tell, Rush is the only one still obsessed with it. Everyone else just wants to get the hell home.

[Gilpesh]

The SGC team doesn't want the Destiny. But... that little ship at the end. Does someone else want it, and why?

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, who knows? The Atlantis civilizations were kept so crappy by the Wraith that they'd want a lawnmower if they saw one. Maybe there's a similar case here: out in wherever the hell the Destiny is, it's basically the best anyone can find.

[Gilpesh]

It's a damn shame the state of the universe today. Can't get the good ships like they used to, got that right. They just don't make them that way anymore. [/old grumpy Ancient]

[TheCorpulent1]

They're probably laughing at the SGU gang from their ascended energy Heaven.

The bastards. :o

[wiegeabo]

it could be that Destiny escape from whatever attacked it and did so much damage to it. The enemy didn't want to destroy it, but capture it, so just before it jumped into hyperspace, they landed a probe on it to let them know the next time Destiny went active.

[Gilpesh]

They're probably laughing at the SGU gang from their ascended energy Heaven.

The bastards. :o
No. They're clearly at Der Wafflehaus... having waffles.

[wiegeabo]

That's what I'd do with omnipotence. :up:

[zanos]

After seeing the preview for next weeks episode I'm beginning to get a bad feeling about the course this show is taking. Every ep is so lame.

[Gilpesh]

That's what I'd do with omnipotence. :up:
That's actually where they get the omnipotence also!

After seeing the preview for next weeks episode I'm beginning to get a bad feeling about the course this show is taking. Every ep is so lame.
Yeah. I hope the ship is back in working order (not mint or at 100%) soon or I start yelling at the television about them stopping at a Universal Midas. Cause they shouldn't keep doing, "Oh noes, the ship is breaking," for too long.

[LadyVader]

It's kind of weird to have a show based entirely on the notion that they'll never be in complete control of the ship.

[wiegeabo]

How in the world are they going to fix the ship with no tools or spare equipment?

I was thinking that, in the beginning, they'd use the ship to find what they need for successive levels of survival.

First priority is air.
Next water.
Then food.
And always looking energy to keep things going.
And then occasional stops along the way to replenish why they look for a way home.

I really hope the ship takes a long time to repair, but that they keep making progress. One problem with Atlantis is that they made things easy too soon. By the end of the first season, they were facing supply and ammunition shortages, and the Wraith were on their asses. But instead of going with this idea and making things really desperate and dramatic, the marines show up and they suddenly have a constant connection with Earth (by gate or ship). It only took one season for them to give up on one of the main selling points of the show: isolation from help.

[TheCorpulent1]

it could be that Destiny escape from whatever attacked it and did so much damage to it. The enemy didn't want to destroy it, but capture it, so just before it jumped into hyperspace, they landed a probe on it to let them know the next time Destiny went active.
But it's an automated ship. Technically, it's always active.

[wiegeabo]

But it's an automated ship. Technically, it's always active.

But it was dormant before they dialed the gate.

I don't know why it would stay attached through one hyperspace jump and not the second, unless maybe it was damaged too?

[BlackLantern]

the Destiny looks like a penis

[TheCorpulent1]

So do like 90% of the other sci fi spaceships out there. Hell, the actual space shuttle looks like a penis, too. It's an aerodynamic design. :oldrazz:

[BlackLantern]

I think Rush is an Ancient who got kicked out of Ascended Land

[TheCorpulent1]

I think Rush is obsessed with his research as a means of compensating for the loss of his wife, which kind of makes me sad because it's so clichéd.

[Gilpesh]

But it's an automated ship. Technically, it's always active.
I see what he means. If some outside force was trying to get in... and couldn't because of the force fields. Left a probe on it to see if activity on the inside ever starts up again. Because they couldn't get in the force way earlier... now they have people inside it, which gives them a better in.

I think Rush is an Ancient who got kicked out of Ascended Land
I like this idea. That issue is big enough to excuse how crazy-pants he is over everything. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Really? People think that needs explaining? Dude's a high-strung academic who's probably worked his ass off to elevate himself beyond his humble beginnings and earn others' respect, which nobody is willing to give him at this point. That's not reason enough for him to be crazy-pants over stuff? :huh:

[BlackLantern]

there is obsessed and then there is crazy as balls about something...Rush is the latter and I really wonder why

[Gilpesh]

Really? People think that needs explaining? Dude's a high-strung academic who's probably worked his ass off to elevate himself beyond his humble beginnings and earn others' respect, which nobody is willing to give him at this point. That's not reason enough for him to be crazy-pants over stuff? :huh:
It doesn't need explaining... I just want it to be more than the cliche version of scientist going nuts. :csad:

[RetroNaz]

I'm really hoping that the series Big Bad is on that shuttle that escaped at the end of the show...

To address another point that was brought up before about not being able to attach yourself to a character yet: whether intentional or not, I like this. It adds to the chaotic, confused state that all of the characters are currently going through. Makes me feel like I'm deep in the ***t with them.

Having said that, once the supply issues are sorted out, and there is a sense of survival working, I would like to see some good character work to make one or two of these people the likable moral center of the show.

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought that was already Eli. We're supposed to relate to him because of his silly pop-culture references and his sense of being totally overwhelmed by stuff everyone else is already sort of used to.

[GL1]

I like this show... I don't know why yet... maybe it is the mystery... honestly, the ship leaving the Destiny really highlighted how vast the ship is. It's not only possible that someone was on the ship and left them, it's possible that there are other people on the ship currently.

I'm not sure the ship maintaining gates while warping is a matter of capability rather than a matter of programming and purpose. It's possible that it was supposed to accept communications from earth, or uniquely capable of doing so due to the ship's overall purpose.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm sure we'll have at least one "oh noes, something's on the ship with us!" episode at some point. They did it with Atlantis, which featured a similar situation: relatively small expedition group in a huge base with no hope of actually knowing what's going on in the entire base at any given time.

[BlackLantern]

Im wondering how Mings Nas character, the IOA stooge, is going to fit...the minute she says "well IOA policy states" or some crap like that....she should be pistol whipped or shot in the leg

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, you know she's going to be the annoying bureaucratic gnat buzzing in everyone's ear. Provided, of course, she does anything, since she's literally just been sitting in that room with most of the other civilians so far.

[Gilpesh]

Haha, you know she's going to be the annoying bureaucratic gnat buzzing in everyone's ear.
Until she gets her own episode devoted to her backstory... then she'll lighten up a tad by the end... in time to die.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think she's listed with the guest stars, so yeah, she's totally going to die pretty soon.

[Gilpesh]

So let's take bets on when that episode about "ZOMG something else is on the ship!" that you guys talked about, will happen. Tenth? Eleventh?

[TheCorpulent1]

Sooner. I'm guessing around the fifth or sixth. It's such an obvious story that I feel like they'll want to get it in there early.

[Gilpesh]

So you think they'll get to it just after they solve the lights, food, and water problems in the next few episodes?

That's a bit fast.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, logically, what's the crew going to do after they solve those problems? Explore the s*** out of this random-ass death trap ship they wound up on. Pretty sensible time to realize, "Oh noes, there's something else on the ship with us!"

[Gilpesh]

You can't use logic here. Two of their crew just gladly waltzed into a horrible world thinking that they were smarter than the Ancients... Plus. You need the few episodes where everything is relatively fine before the "Something else is here!" thing shows up. That way it's creepier.

[TheCorpulent1]

Time will tell, sir. Time will tell.

[C. Lee]

How in the world are they going to fix the ship with no tools or spare equipment?


Oh, I don't know...maybe find a room full of tools and spare equipment?

[BlackLantern]

duct tape!!!

[RetroNaz]

I hope the show goes all "Cube" on us, and each room has a set of different traps :oldrazz:

[wiegeabo]

Maybe not traps, but security measures.

I doubt everyone on the ship his the ancient gene or had the gene therapy. If Destiny is anything like Atlantis, that means systems won't work for everyone. And if security becomes active as they explore/repair the ship, then a lot of people are going to have problems.

[TheComicbookKid]

The show is kind of a chore to get through. No one really sticks out as someone you want to connect with. I'm hoping "flashbacks" don't become too much of a component on how we learn about them.

[BlackLantern]

The show is kind of a chore to get through. No one really sticks out as someone you want to connect with. I'm hoping "flashbacks" don't become too much of a component on how we learn about them.

this is my number one concern as well

[Superfreak]

The show is kind of a chore to get through. No one really sticks out as someone you want to connect with. I'm hoping "flashbacks" don't become too much of a component on how we learn about them.

yeah the flashbacks make me think of the show as 'LOST' in space. Just carried out by a less creative production team than that on LOST actual.

[Superfreak]

Oh, I don't know...maybe find a room full of tools and spare equipment?

I know right, it's another deus solution thanks specifcally to the size of the ship.

I got mixed feelings about the show. It feels like they are 'restarting' Atlantis, the way it should have been, or something

[wiegeabo]

yeah the flashbacks make me think of the show as 'LOST' in space. Just carried out by a less creative production team than that on LOST actual.

Having never watched Lost, it doesn't bother me.

But how else are we supposed to learn a character's backstory? There's them talking about what happened, and then there are flashbacks. And I find flashbacks tend to be more interesting.

[TheComicbookKid]

Flashbacks are super efficent in explaining backstory and is also one of the reasons it can become a crutch. Need to know why a character reacts, well here's a flashback. Otherwise, you have to have a more dialogue driven narrative.

[wiegeabo]

Well, we had a flashback about the girlfriend, and an exposition about the parents. So they seem to be mixing it up.

[TheComicbookKid]

That's true. I guess I just found the flashback lazy since the trope is hallucinations in the desert and the ending talk was so blunt with no finesse.

[carrrnuttt]

That's true. I guess I just found the flashback lazy since the trope is hallucinations in the desert and the ending talk was so blunt with no finesse.

Are you watching it for entertainment, or are you writing a dissertation on it? :huh:

[C. Lee]

Flashbacks have been used in all types of TV shows and movies since they began making them....so saying that any show that uses a flashback is emulating LOST is very shortsighted.

[TheComicbookKid]

Are you watching it for entertainment, or are you writing a dissertation on it? :huh:

lol. I like it, but I find it's attempt at being in the Lost/BSG mold lacking on the acting front instead of embracing the strength of the premise.

[GhostPoet]

So, what's with the pod that flew off the ship while they were in FTL? At first I thought it was a piece that just broke off...but then it looked like the thrusters were active.

[Dr Lee]

it's definitely not just a bit of space junk.... I hope that TPTB don't wait too long before they reveal what it was...

[Kahoot]

I wonder where the ship is going? I just realized the tagline for the show is, "Where will Destiny take you?" and it only gave them 12 hours to go through the gate as if there is some sort of rush or deadline.

[TheCorpulent1]

lol. I like it, but I find it's attempt at being in the Lost/BSG mold lacking on the acting front instead of embracing the strength of the premise.
So don't think of it that way. Lost and BSG don't have the market cornered on character-driven science fiction anymore than Lost has the market cornered on flashbacks as a narrative device, as C. Lee pointed out. :huh:

[Paroxysm]

I thought it was a great episode. Too bad Curtis and Palmer are gone.

[Kahoot]

I thought it was a great episode. Too bad Curtis and Palmer are gone.
If they aren't back by the end of the season then, and only then, do I think they will be gone for good. If they can MacGyver/SG1 up a DHD they can always somehow gate back to the ship (as long as the writers forget it's moving and so the address is changing)

Or the people on the ship might have to gate to the planet they went to, kill a big bad alien monster and find them like two wild scavengers on the panet.

[Paroxysm]

If they aren't back by the end of the season then, and only then, do I think they will be gone for good. If they can MacGyver/SG1 up a DHD they can always somehow gate back to the ship (as long as the writers forget it's moving and so the address is changing)

Or the people on the ship might have to gate to the planet they went to, kill a big bad alien monster and find them like two wild scavengers on the panet.

Yeah who knows what they're going to find on the other side, didn't the Ancients lock that address?

[RetroNaz]

I thought it was a great episode. Too bad Curtis and Palmer are gone.

I'm hoping we get a little side story with these two.

Gives us a break from the main troop...could even be played for comedy if they wanted to lighten things up a little.

[Kahoot]

Yeah who knows what they're going to find on the other side, didn't the Ancients lock that address?
The address was locked out but they don't know if it was by the Ancients or by the ship. The ship wanted fixed and knew that what was needed was on the planet it sent them to and not the others.

I'm not sure how much AI the ship has but I don't think the Ancients have been out that far. I think they were unmaned ships seeding the galaxys before they went, they did say something along those line in the pilot.

[TheCorpulent1]

If they aren't back by the end of the season then, and only then, do I think they will be gone for good. If they can MacGyver/SG1 up a DHD they can always somehow gate back to the ship (as long as the writers forget it's moving and so the address is changing)

Or the people on the ship might have to gate to the planet they went to, kill a big bad alien monster and find them like two wild scavengers on the panet.
Where did they MacGyver up a DHD? Are you talking about the original dialing computer back in the movie/early SG-1?

[carrrnuttt]

I'm hoping we get a little side story with these two.

Gives us a break from the main troop...could even be played for comedy if they wanted to lighten things up a little.

Well, at least Curtis has someone to procreate, and "seed" the planet with. :oldrazz:

Not half-bad-looking, either: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm4280914944/nm1775193

[carrrnuttt]

Where did they MacGyver up a DHD? Are you talking about the original dialing computer back in the movie/early SG-1?

There were a few instances where SG1 hooked up a gate to a power source (one of them was even a plant, at one point), and they dialed manually.

It was never done in SG:A. Not that they can, either, since there was no option to spin the gate manually.

[Kahoot]

Well, at least Curtis has someone to procreate, and "seed" the planet with. :oldrazz:

Not half-bad-looking, either: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm4280914944/nm1775193
I really didn't see that eye candy diying/being cut off when I saw the show so that was a bit of a shock when she went through the gate. And then I kinda though Eli was going after them to save them. And he didn't! :cmad:

We have got the medical woman though aka Black Canary from Smallville, she's really hot.

[RetroNaz]

That IS Black Canary!? I thought she was damn familiar...!

[Kahoot]

Where did they MacGyver up a DHD? Are you talking about the original dialing computer back in the movie/early SG-1?

There were a few instances where SG1 hooked up a gate to a power source (one of them was even a plant, at one point), and they dialed manually.

It was never done in SG:A. Not that they can, either, since there was no option to spin the gate manually.
Yeah there was the plant one where they let out the planet/world killer who came back as a younger version in a later episode.

There was the one where they went to get the old guy in the deep sea diving gear and the DHD was broken and we found out about the four great races, the Ancients, the Asgard, the Furlings, and the Nox.

I'm sure there were others too.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, right, I remember those instances. I thought you were talking about SGU specifically.

[Gilpesh]

The address was locked out but they don't know if it was by the Ancients or by the ship.
Definitely the ship. Because the Destiny is probably going to end up being a smart ship, as there's no one was around to man it, it has to man itself.

Uh oh. That means there's going to be an episode where the ship starts to act increasingly weird like it is trying to kill the crew.... until they realize that one of the crew isn't who they appear to be...

[Paroxysm]

I like how the aliens are actually "alien" and not some guy dressed up in a suit. The weird little dust elemental was pretty cool. It seemed to be leading Matt towards the lake bed. Was it causing his visions?

[Kahoot]

I thought the dust was gonna suck the water out of the people like it did to the sand and then, it didn't?

[Gilpesh]

I thought the dust was gonna suck the water out of the people like it did to the sand and then, it didn't?
It wasn't sucking up the water. It twirled over that mix and changed the color back to clear. Like what they were looking for.

[wiegeabo]

It wasn't sucking up the water. It twirled over that mix and changed the color back to clear. Like what they were looking for.

Ah. Nice. I though it had was a water sucker as well. Didn't catch that.

[Gilpesh]

Ah. Nice. I though it had was a water sucker as well. Didn't catch that.
Yeah. That's probably why the Destiny was stopping there. Not only did it have what they wanted... but there was helpful 'lifeforms' on the planet.

[Superfreak]

Flashbacks have been used in all types of TV shows and movies since they began making them....so saying that any show that uses a flashback is emulating LOST is very shortsighted.

I'm just saying is all, but if I have too, there have been a number of occasions where Lost has been refered to in the show, and by producers. IE. no opening sequence. Stargate has always had an opening sequence, but not now right.

[wiegeabo]

Both SG1 and Atlantis went without opening sequences for a while.

Until the fans complained enough that they had to put them back in.

[Superfreak]

Are you watching it for entertainment, or are you writing a dissertation on it? :huh:

honestly, it should flow from either perspective. It is made to entertain, but given the amount of $$$ that goes into television, the product should be of a high calibre. So far, SGU has been good, but it does not yet stand out as anything special. The only thing it has going for me, is that it is new. Not novel, just new.

I hope that they try and stick with the stranded business though... meaning: Beards for all the men within a couple of episodes, hairy legs, no replacement for clothing, Chloe and the TJ should be running out of makeup soon, etc etc.

One thing I am interested in is the stones. They are going to be really cool I think. Whatever experts the evacuees are in need of, can be sent. Surgeons, scientists, etc. It should be cool.

[TheCorpulent1]

The ship was built for Ancients and Ancients are basically humans. Makeup is one thing, but the necessary tools for basic grooming should be readily available on the ship.
Both SG1 and Atlantis went without opening sequences for a while.

Until the fans complained enough that they had to put them back in.
Yeah, and it sucked both times. The Stargate people do really good opening sequences. I miss it on SGU already.

[Superfreak]

The ship was built for Ancients and Ancients are basically humans. Makeup is one thing, but the necessary tools for basic grooming should be readily available on the ship.

Yeah, and it sucked both times. The Stargate people do really good opening sequences. I miss it on SGU already.

I really liked how BSG did its opening sequence, ie. the standard bit, and then the inclusion of the montage of the episode you are about to watch.

I'd love if a show would do it backwards... where you get your standard intro, but instead of the BSG preview way, one gets the recap from the last few episodes, integrated into the intro.

[wiegeabo]

Yeah, and it sucked both times. The Stargate people do really good opening sequences. I miss it on SGU already.

:up:

:(

[Happenstance]

Just finished watching the new episode, found it a bit boring to be honest. Few interesting bits like the bit at the end obviously but that was about it.

Also, am I the only one who thought Eli and Chloe and more chemistry than Chloe and whatshisface? (This is terrible, I usually know names really well when it comes to tv shows!)

[Happenstance]

Just finished watching the new episode, found it a bit boring to be honest. Few interesting bits like the bit at the end obviously but that was about it.

Also, am I the only one who thought Eli and Chloe and more chemistry than Chloe and whatshisface? (This is terrible, I usually know names really well when it comes to tv shows!)

[Baggers]

Just finished watching the new episode, found it a bit boring to be honest. Few interesting bits like the bit at the end obviously but that was about it.

Also, am I the only one who thought Eli and Chloe and more chemistry than Chloe and whatshisface? (This is terrible, I usually know names really well when it comes to tv shows!)

Matt Scott, he seems cool, just his flashback wasn't that interesting to me. Interesting spin with the Priest, and Scott's going into Priesthood tho...but I do agree I like the idea of Eli and Chloe relationship over Scott and Chloe.

I'm interested in what happened with Curtis and the blonde scientist and also interested with the small ship or drone that came of from the Destiny, the plot thickens hmmmm :)

[Baggers]

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j30/baggers911/normal_2009_10_steppinout.jpg

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2009/10/sgu-heats-up-steppin-out-magazine/

Shwing!! Shwing!! :wow:

[TheCorpulent1]

The actress who plays Chloe looks much hotter there than in the show. It's amazing what cleaning off some dirt and grime and applying a whole lot of makeup can do. ;)
Just finished watching the new episode, found it a bit boring to be honest. Few interesting bits like the bit at the end obviously but that was about it.

Also, am I the only one who thought Eli and Chloe and more chemistry than Chloe and whatshisface? (This is terrible, I usually know names really well when it comes to tv shows!)
I don't really care; neither potential relationship interests me much. Eli and Scott seem to have a nice rapport building up, though. The Shepard/McKay of SGU, perhaps? We'll see.

[Baggers]

The actress who plays Chloe looks much hotter there than in the show. It's amazing what cleaning off some dirt and grime and applying a whole lot of makeup can do. ;)

I don't really care; neither potential relationship interests me much. Eli and Scott seem to have a nice rapport building up, though. The Shepard/McKay of SGU, perhaps? We'll see.

Yeah me and my brother was chatting about that. Eli and Scott feel like they'll become the Mckay/Sheppard of SGU. Each series seems to love the idea of a "geek" scientist building a strong friendship with a solider:

SG-1: Daniel/Jack
SGA: Mckay/Sheppard
SGU: Eli/Scott

As much as I love the above pic that I posted ;) I like the lack of loads of makeup, cute, innocent look Chloe Armstrong is rocking out in SGU. She's well cuteeee!! :) ...and yes I got a crush :p

[TheCorpulent1]

I like that Scott and Eli aren't as far removed from each other as the other two sets of buddies. Scott's the best of a limited bunch of soldiers under Young, so he keeps getting top assignments, but he's fundamentally not that different from Eli--both joined the SGC recently, both tend to feel overwhelmed (although Scott obviously deals with it better), and both are relatively normal, young guys.

[Baggers]

I like that Scott and Eli aren't as far removed from each other as the other two sets of buddies. Scott's the best of a limited bunch of soldiers under Young, so he keeps getting top assignments, but he's fundamentally not that different from Eli--both joined the SGC recently, both tend to feel overwhelmed (although Scott obviously deals with it better), and both are relatively normal, young guys.

Yup :) so be great to see this friendship to continue to build. It's nice to see "normal" people in the Stargate Franchise.

[Gilpesh]

I like that Scott and Eli aren't as far removed from each other as the other two sets of buddies. Scott's the best of a limited bunch of soldiers under Young, so he keeps getting top assignments, but he's fundamentally not that different from Eli--both joined the SGC recently, both tend to feel overwhelmed (although Scott obviously deals with it better), and both are relatively normal, young guys.
Whoa whoa whoa.

Scott doesn't deal with it better. He didn't even know what to say if they found a half buried Statue of Liberty. :o

[Baggers]

Whoa whoa whoa.

Scott doesn't deal with it better. He didn't even know what to say if they found a half buried Statue of Liberty. :o

"Damn you. God damn you!!" :)

[Kahoot]

Both SG1 and Atlantis went without opening sequences for a while.

Until the fans complained enough that they had to put them back in.
I don't think the fans will win this time though. They won before because SG1 and SGA had openings to fall back on but this time they just need to say they don't have the money to make one.

I think they producers of Stargate like the mini title card opening thing.

[Dr Lee]

IIRC the backlash on the SG-1/SG:A shortened titles was down to the fact it was done to add advertising space in the programming slot, rather than extra episode time.

[Superfreak]

The actress who plays Chloe looks much hotter there than in the show. It's amazing what cleaning off some dirt and grime and applying a whole lot of makeup can do. ;)




what dirt and grime, these have been the two characters that have been made up like barbie dolls. But I agree, with a PROFESSIONAL doing their make up, they look much better.

[GyLocke]

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j30/baggers911/normal_2009_10_steppinout.jpg

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2009/10/sgu-heats-up-steppin-out-magazine/

Shwing!! Shwing!! :wow:

Just two reasons to watch? I'm counting four...

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think the fans will win this time though. They won before because SG1 and SGA had openings to fall back on but this time they just need to say they don't have the money to make one.

I think they producers of Stargate like the mini title card opening thing.
IIRC the backlash on the SG-1/SG:A shortened titles was down to the fact it was done to add advertising space in the programming slot, rather than extra episode time.
Yeah, the producers like the openings but Sci Fi wanted more ad time, so they cut them down to the brief title card and nothing else. Fans complained and I guess Sci Fi backed off, leading to the producers' reinstating Atlantis' opening and creating a whole new one for SG-1.

But I agree that this time the opening is gone for good. SGU's a new show and it hasn't had an opening title sequence right from the start, so its new fans won't miss it. I don't think the old Stargate fans will mind it enough to complain en masse, either.
what dirt and grime, these have been the two characters that have been made up like barbie dolls. But I agree, with a PROFESSIONAL doing their make up, they look much better.
Why do you even watch the Stargate shows anymore? I've never seen you say anything good about them for years. I mean, you're talking s*** about their makeup department now! :huh:

[Dr Lee]

IO9 have some images from the next SG:U episode 'Darkness' in their Morning Spoilers section today

Linky (http://io9.com/5381134/sgu-darkness/gallery?selectedImage=1)

[Superfreak]

Yeah, the producers like the openings but Sci Fi wanted more ad time, so they cut them down to the brief title card and nothing else. Fans complained and I guess Sci Fi backed off, leading to the producers' reinstating Atlantis' opening and creating a whole new one for SG-1.

But I agree that this time the opening is gone for good. SGU's a new show and it hasn't had an opening title sequence right from the start, so its new fans won't miss it. I don't think the old Stargate fans will mind it enough to complain en masse, either.

Why do you even watch the Stargate shows anymore? I've never seen you say anything good about them for years. I mean, you're talking s*** about their makeup department now! :huh:

maybe I was a little short there, but sometimes things bother me. It's not so much the makeup, as the choice of makeup. TJ doesn't look like a soldier to me... Chloe certainly doesn't look like a senator's daughter, or a senator's aid to me. It's the creative choice, rather than the skill of those at work.

Like the senator of California's house. This doesn't look like the house of someone who just spent billions on anything. The peices just don't fit.

Or the second person using the stones in last episode. Doctor useless. It just seemed silly to me that they'd have a tourist waiting to visit/communicate with the ship. I'd have expected both Colonel Telford (a useful consultant) and the other mystery person who were waiting for the call to be useful. Just seemed like a waste to me. Like a trained doctor would be useful to check on the injured, or an engineer, someone like doctor lee to give a second opinion on the ship itself. Maybe it's nitpicky, but it just seems like a wasted opportunity to get some narrative going in a show where there seems like there is very little.

I dunno, I think when I have something more positive to say, I'll say it. I do like the new production value on the franchise, but I'm jworried that it'll dumb down like Atlantis did.

[TheCorpulent1]

The house seemed nice enough. Senators don't generally live in mansions, as far as I know. They spend billions of taxpayer dollars in Congress, but it doesn't necessarily mean they're all millionaires themselves--especially not the honest ones. The president of the USA only has a salary of $200,000 per year (although I'm sure they find ways to make more than that), and he's the senators' boss.

Also, I don't necessarily think the Indian doctor chick was waiting in line or anything. She just happened to be there and the people on Destiny needed someone else to house Chloe's consciousness so she could break the bad news to her mother. The people on the ship don't have a system worked out where someone's always on standby to accept incoming "calls" on the stones like they do on Earth.

Maybe they'll work out a system like that eventually. It does seem like an experienced doctor would be a good thing to bring to the ship at least once, to make sure everyone's generally healthy and catch anything TJ might have missed. But it's only the second (or third, however you want to count it) episode. The show's still finding its feet to some extent.

[GhostPoet]

I shared the same impressions as you Corpulent. It didn't seem like they had a structure set in stone yet to decide who gets taken over and when. Which is why Lou Diamond Phillips character wouldn't budge from that seat...because he didn't want to miss the Destiny crew trying to make contact.

[Paroxysm]

I have a feeling that the "object' that detached from the ship might have been a probe or something. Whoever attacked the Destiny probably wanted the ship but they couldn't use it because their DNA didn't watch. Perhaps the probe was activated when the current crew started messing around with the ship?

[GhostPoet]

And of coarse the "probe" will alert a new alien bad guy!

:)