Stargate SG-1/Atlantis/Universe

[Happenstance]

I agree about Scott and Chloe, together they annoy me but apart they arent so bad.

Greer, even though hes got a bit better I still dont really like.

My favourites at the moment are Young, Rush and maybe Eli with TJ close behind. I think once we get a bit more with her she'll get interesting. I did quite like her in Water.

[ChickenScratch]

My favorites so far are Eli and Rush. I would love to see Lou Diamond Phillips's character given a bigger role because I love his work.

Eli I feel for because he's a good dude who's suddenly stuck in the "friend zone" after he laid all that ground work. I hope he hooks up with that super hot soldier chick.

[Gilpesh]

You know what? I take back my comment about dropping Universe. I just finally saw the trailer (on demand episodes don't have them) and the next episode is the judgment episode for me. It looks like something important will.... GASP.... happen.

[Asgard]

I like how those aliens killed that soldier. Bastard deserved it for shooting first like an idiot. Chloe kind of annoyed me in this ep.

[Superfreak]

gotta ask, why was the 9 chevron address such a mystery? I don't get this in the grand scheme of the show. Why would the ancients keep the existance of Destiny secret from themselves? As in, we own Atlantis, the center of the Ancient civilization at its height, why would the Ancient Database not contain information on Destiny?

[Tanin]

gotta ask, why was the 9 chevron address such a mystery? I don't get this in the grand scheme of the show. Why would the ancients keep the existance of Destiny secret from themselves? As in, we own Atlantis, the center of the Ancient civilization at its height, why would the Ancient Database not contain information on Destiny?

When a stargate dials normally it is a seven number address., The first six symbols act as co-ordinates, creating three intersecting lines, the destination. The Stargate uses the seventh symbol as the point of origin allowing one to plot a straight line course to the destination.

Eight symbols are for out of galaxy dials, The additional symbol acts as a type of "area code". Such connections, in comparison to seven symbol codes, require substantially more energy to complete a functional wormhole — much more than any standard dialing method can provide.

Stargate Universe introduces the concept of a nine-symbol address, the purpose of the ninth chevron never having been explored in the previous series. The ninth symbol is suggested to be meant to lock on to moving Stargates, being a distance calculation along the "straight line" from the point of origin to destination (but more of a divide than the eighth chevron multiplier). Like eight-symbol addresses, the dialing this address requires a significant amount of power, such that the SGC had to tap into a planet's unstable radioactive core to meet the energy demand.

It is a mystery why no one has information on Destiny. Maybe they will find out later in the show.

All of that is from Wikipedia.

[Dr Lee]

Mallozzi blog october/31/2009 (http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2009/10/31/october-31-2009-that-long-overdue-rant-and-a-behind-the-scenes-vid-from-water/)

Shame

[BlackLantern]

every so often the fans need to be told plainly "change the channel or shut the **** up"

[Superfreak]

When a stargate dials normally it is a seven number address., The first six symbols act as co-ordinates, creating three intersecting lines, the destination. The Stargate uses the seventh symbol as the point of origin allowing one to plot a straight line course to the destination.

Eight symbols are for out of galaxy dials, The additional symbol acts as a type of "area code". Such connections, in comparison to seven symbol codes, require substantially more energy to complete a functional wormhole — much more than any standard dialing method can provide.

Stargate Universe introduces the concept of a nine-symbol address, the purpose of the ninth chevron never having been explored in the previous series. The ninth symbol is suggested to be meant to lock on to moving Stargates, being a distance calculation along the "straight line" from the point of origin to destination (but more of a divide than the eighth chevron multiplier). Like eight-symbol addresses, the dialing this address requires a significant amount of power, such that the SGC had to tap into a planet's unstable radioactive core to meet the energy demand.

It is a mystery why no one has information on Destiny. Maybe they will find out later in the show.

All of that is from Wikipedia.


well, then go back there, and find the answer I was looking for, instead of repeating things I and everybody else already know

[Dark Helmet]

every so often the fans need to be told plainly "change the channel or shut the **** up"

The same can be said to Brian if he does not like the fact that the majority hates his character. Ignore the idiots or quit the show. Fandom is a ***** especially Sci-Fi fans. I wonder what the actress who plays Chloe thinks of all this. Shes getting it worse then Brian

[Dr Lee]

i feel bad for BJS' mother.....

[BlackLantern]

but in a lot of cases, it's always flowing from the fans to the material and not the other way around....I agree that fandom is a temperamental whore, especially with sci-fi and comic fans, and it's a fandom which is very sensitive to critcism

I bet if you get up in one of those commenters faces and let them have it with both barrels like they do behind their keyboards....they'd probably cry...

a lot

[Dark Helmet]

i feel bad for BJS' mother.....

If there is a Season: 2 I can see Syfy stepping in & either make the show runners make SGU more like SG1 & SGA or your fired & we will find new writers. The fandom really is getting out of hand & I can see Syfy putting its foot down next season

[Superfreak]

Mallozzi blog october/31/2009 (http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2009/10/31/october-31-2009-that-long-overdue-rant-and-a-behind-the-scenes-vid-from-water/)

Shame

bla bla bla bla bla bla bla... I was like 'Santa's Little Helper' reading that. 'We love our cast and crew' so please don't be mean to us when you don't like what we are producing.

If it was as good as 'you guys' think it is, there wouldn't be crazy people complaining on the internet. But clearly it's not. I love the part about people not being able to deal with a little romance: WHAT ROMANCE? a forced 10 second scene + sex in the next episode. There's no romance there: it's called TnA for TnA's sake.

If, according to the blog, things get worse, I'm not gonna be down with this show for much longer... I feel that's a bad thing: from someone who hasn't missed an episode of the 'gate-verse' since SG1 started and for someone who endured rather than enjoyed atlantis.

[Dark Helmet]

I think the majority that are watching don't even like it & are just hoping it gets better lol

[Superfreak]

i feel bad for BJS' mother.....

I'm throw this out there. My friend Steve is a pretty hot and upcoming actor. Doesn't mean he's good, doesn't mean he's bad. But I will say that he got an awesome role, in a great movie, got to see and touch some famous boobs( the first time those boobs were on screen). But along with that, is the criticism.

If you're an actor, you and your portrayal are going to get blasted somewhere along the line. Said actor/actress and those important to them should be prepared negative backlash.

and as others have pointed out, in the sci fi realm, were very much more critical.

But these are all things you know about, or should know about before jumping into the job. That is the definition of a 'rational person'.

[Superfreak]

I think the majority that are watching don't even like it & are just hoping it gets better lol

that's where I am... but I don't dislike it, but I don't like it much either. I'm actually prefering Smallville to SGU this year.

[Happenstance]

that's where I am... but I don't dislike it, but I don't like it much either. I'm actually prefering Smallville to SGU this year.

Yeah but thats not really fair.....Smallvilles awesome this year! :p

[Dark Helmet]

Yeah but thats not really fair.....Smallvilles awesome this year! :p

Smallville is having a great start but hey it had a great start last year & look at how that ended up. I am keeping my guard up & not getting to excited

[Gilpesh]

every so often the fans need to be told plainly "change the channel or shut the **** up"
What? They're not allowed to point out ****** writing that's just supposed to make Stargate into BSG?

[BlackLantern]

What? They're not allowed to point out ****** writing that's just supposed to make Stargate into BSG?

I was just making a general statement

[TheCorpulent1]

It's the extent that the people go to in the comments that Mallozzi's complaining about, it seems. Apparently, he doesn't like the fact that the internet is prone to hyperbole and flagrant exaggeration.

[Gilpesh]

It's the extent that the people go to in the comments that Mallozzi's complaining about, it seems. Apparently, he doesn't like the fact that the internet is prone to hyperbole and flagrant exaggeration.
And I enjoy that in that blog post about hyperbole and flagrant exaggeration.... he makes it seem as if the only problem that people have is that they don't like sex scenes or romance in Stargate AND tells them to stop all the idiot comments (using all caps no less).

[RetroNaz]

I didn't enjoy the latest episode as much as I have the others...it just felt a little off to me. I can't quite put my finger on it.

And the abrupt ending made us turn to each other and say "is that it?"

[wiegeabo]

I thought the ending was perfect. Everyone's *****ing about their own problems, even though one of them just died. And you can see how Young has the weight of the world on his shoulders. Just how much the job is getting to him.

[RetroNaz]

Yeah I guess so. I think I expected more to happen with the bug things or something, not sure. Still loving the show though!

[TheCorpulent1]

I remain skeptical that they managed to get all of the little bug/cloud things.

[RetroNaz]

Did anyone else get a little bit of an Abyss vibe when TJ first met them?

[Kahoot]

I remain skeptical that they managed to get all of the little bug/cloud things.
The sand also got out the container before the two space men came back through the gate. Some of them might've came through the gate too.

I still only remember the names of Eli and Rush...

[TheCorpulent1]

Col. Young = commander on Destiny who was limping until recently

Chloe = daughter of the senator who's banging Scott

Lt. Matthew Scott = young airman who got the limestone in the second episode and got stuck in the ice in this week's episode, and who is banging Chloe

TJ (not sure of her rank but I think she's a Lt. too) = the blonde medic

Camille Wray (not sure of the spelling) = Ming-Na, a.k.a. the civilian IOA chick

Col. Telford = Lou Diamond Phillips, a.k.a. the ex-commander of Icarus base who keeps waiting by the communication stones so he can try to undermine Young's command on Destiny when he "calls"

Brody = the dark-haired civilian scientist (I want to say he's an astrophysicist, but I'm not sure) who made it onto the shuttle a couple episodes ago

Vanessa James (not sure of rank) = the dark-haired military chick (not sure if she's a marine or an airman) who was banging Scott in the first episode and whom Eli and Riley were spying on with a kino (I don't even know if that's how you spell that)

Riley (not sure of rank) = the young airman who got caught spying on James with Eli and who does the menial work like dialing the stargate

I think that's all I got. I knew the overly violent sergeant's name (the guy with the improvised flamethrower in the most recent episode), but it's not coming to me right now.

[Kahoot]

Cheers, but when I'm watching the show that'll out be out of my head and it will just be that one, that one and that one with Eli over there talking about Rush aka the guy from Trainspotting.

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, I do call Rush "Carlyle" in my head a lot of the time. Kind of weird to see him in 24 and then this. His characters are polar opposites.

[Superfreak]

Haha, I do call Rush "Carlyle" in my head a lot of the time. Kind of weird to see him in 24 and then this. His characters are polar opposites.

He will always be Bigby. Can't wait til he flips out and cuts someones head off with a broken bottle... and then eats them to assume their essence.

I think this show would be a great hit, if it were just Carlyle lost in space.

[wiegeabo]

I think that's all I got. I knew the overly violent sergeant's name (the guy with the improvised flamethrower in the most recent episode), but it's not coming to me right now.

Greer

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes, that is his name. Sgt. Greer. I think he's a marine, but I'm not 100% sure.

I wish Stargate Command still only used Air Force personnel. :o

[Superfreak]

Greer

he certainly had the best line of last episode: "I can invent stuff too", it was brilliant

[TheCorpulent1]

Heh, I came dangerously close to liking him after that line. :hehe:

[BlackLantern]

Yes, that is his name. Sgt. Greer. I think he's a marine, but I'm not 100% sure.

I wish Stargate Command still only used Air Force personnel. :o

any particular reason why?

[TheCorpulent1]

Because then I wouldn't constantly be wondering whether characters are marines or airmen.

[GhostPoet]

Really enjoyed the episode. It was nice to see them do some offworld stuff again. And I liked the fact that an alien from a past episode shows up in this current episode...it really makes each episode feel connected to the other...unlike in past Stargate series where everything resets at the end of the episode and the next episode starts like nothing ever happened.

[carrrnuttt]

Really enjoyed the episode. It was nice to see them do some offworld stuff again. And I liked the fact that an alien from a past episode shows up in this current episode...it really makes each episode feel connected to the other...unlike in past Stargate series where everything resets at the end of the episode and the next episode starts like nothing ever happened.

What about the sunburns the expeditionary crew got from the sand planet? They have it slowly fading, just like real sunburns. There were even still signs of it on their faces in the last episode, if I am recalling correctly.

Shows you that they're really focusing on making this a tight story arc, instead of the alien-or-planet-of-the-week formula the SG-1 and SG-A used for most of their runs.

[Superfreak]

What about the sunburns the expeditionary crew got from the sand planet? They have it slowly fading, just like real sunburns. There were even still signs of it on their faces in the last episode, if I am recalling correctly.

Shows you that they're really focusing on making this a tight story arc, instead of the alien-or-planet-of-the-week formula the SG-1 and SG-A used for most of their runs.

to a degree, all the women still look like they just walked out of a beauty salon. Chloe must have brought her curlers with her off world

[wiegeabo]

Well, it's only been a couple of weeks (I think they said). Chloe probably had makeup in her purse, bag, or whatever she may have been carrying. And the other woman probably had makeup with their stuff as well. But it has to run out eventually.

I wonder if there's a barber on board. Because eventually their hair has to grow. :p

Oh geez, I just thought how much it'll hurt to shave once their razors get dull. ouch

[RetroNaz]

Well, it's only been a couple of weeks (I think they said). Chloe probably had makeup in her purse, bag, or whatever she may have been carrying. And the other woman probably had makeup with their stuff as well. But it has to run out eventually.

I wonder if there's a barber on board. Because eventually their hair has to grow. :p

Oh geez, I just thought how much it'll hurt to shave once their razors get dull. ouch

LOL dude, that cracked me up.

Hair product and tooth paste...damn, they'll stop having them soon too.

And deodorant. My TJ is going to stink :(

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm sure they'll find some buttcrack-of-space equivalent for all that stuff.

[Superfreak]

LOL dude, that cracked me up.

Hair product and tooth paste...damn, they'll stop having them soon too.

And deodorant. My TJ is going to stink :(

that's what I mean. It's not fun if they suddenly have power = all the amenities of home. It's too easy.

I'm talkin beards, hairy legs, non-perfect eyebrows and all the other luggage that has to do with being stranded with 80 people, and random expedition supplies for 10(we saw telford's team).

the fact that they have showers already means that issues like that are just going to evaporate.

but I really want them to go the 'ALIVE' route, and be forced to eat someone when they run out of protein bars and mix... OK, maybe not eat someone, but you get the point. (on the thought of lost is space with terrible food, anyone remember when they could only find crackers on Farscape, and they went nuts and all tried to kill each other over them? My favorit epi)

take the concept the distance is what I'm saying. I hope this show does.


that being said, those issue of survival and supply should be running off against another narrative, so they can play off of each other. Right now, the survival and supply narratives are central, and playing off some fairly weak dramatic interpersonal melodramas.

[RetroNaz]

that's what I mean. It's not fun if they suddenly have power = all the amenities of home. It's too easy.

I'm talkin beards, hairy legs, non-perfect eyebrows and all the other luggage that has to do with being stranded with 80 people, and random expedition supplies for 10(we saw telford's team).

the fact that they have showers already means that issues like that are just going to evaporate.

but I really want them to go the 'ALIVE' route, and be forced to eat someone when they run out of protein bars and mix... OK, maybe not eat someone, but you get the point. (on the thought of lost is space with terrible food, anyone remember when they could only find crackers on Farscape, and they went nuts and all tried to kill each other over them? My favorit epi)

take the concept the distance is what I'm saying. I hope this show does.


that being said, those issue of survival and supply should be running off against another narrative, so they can play off of each other. Right now, the survival and supply narratives are central, and playing off some fairly weak dramatic interpersonal melodramas.

I'm just hoping for the return of Wilson to really kick this up a notch.

[GhostPoet]

So...exactly how many condoms did they remember to bring in their rush to get through the stargate?

Or do they plan to make lots of babies... :)

[carrrnuttt]

So...exactly how many condoms did they remember to bring in their rush to get through the stargate?

Or do they plan to make lots of babies... :)

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/birth-control/withdrawal-pull-out-method-4218.htm

:hehe:

[Superfreak]

So...exactly how many condoms did they remember to bring in their rush to get through the stargate?

Or do they plan to make lots of babies... :)

it's so true... if you were stuck on an ancient spaceship, with nothing to do, what would you do (especially given that the IOC/SGC has a tendancy to stock the female ranks with hotties)?

[RetroNaz]

I wouldn't be suprised if they would try play up a rape angle later on down the road when some of the jock soldiers get a little more sex starved.

Careful, Eli. Keep a Keno on you at all times young man!

[Arbiter]

i've watched all the stargate series, is it just me or does the IOA only hire incredibly stupid douches.

[GhostPoet]

Does anyone else see the potential for Chloe (that's her name right? The one who is currrently useless and just has sex) to be the ships possible diplomat when dealing with alien races? She's been around politicians enough (her dad) to get a handle on it.

[Superfreak]

Does anyone else see the potential for Chloe (that's her name right? The one who is currrently useless and just has sex) to be the ships possible diplomat when dealing with alien races? She's been around politicians enough (her dad) to get a handle on it.

I thought it was actually kind of pathetically obvious... but seeing what they did with the master diplomat on SGA, I'm not really expecting to see much from this, although they will try.

[wiegeabo]

Does anyone else see the potential for Chloe (that's her name right? The one who is currrently useless and just has sex) to be the ships possible diplomat when dealing with alien races? She's been around politicians enough (her dad) to get a handle on it.

If they don't start training her so soon so she can pull her own weight, then that's what I expect to happen.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm kind of hoping she'll die, personally.

[BlackLantern]

Die horribly

[Dr Lee]

she won't.... and i believe that she'll end up with a role on the ship... and not as Scotts ****-buddy....

If i'm right, Fridays epi will have her hearing some hard truths about herself from some friends while she's using the LRC.... hopefully that'll be a starting point for her to actually do something on the ship

[ChickenScratch]

Chloe mentioned being some sort of big deal assistant to her dad with some poli-sci degree I think it was. She'll become a diplomat, she'll be bad at it, people will get killed ... see, I just wrote a 6 episode arc!

[Gilpesh]

Does anyone else see the potential for Chloe (that's her name right? The one who is currrently useless and just has sex) to be the ships possible diplomat when dealing with alien races? She's been around politicians enough (her dad) to get a handle on it.
There's no potential for Chloe to ever be a diplomat. She wasn't even involved in the decisions needed to get water for the people on Destiny.... but yet she went total ***** when Rush suggested leaving Scott to die to save everyone else.

What's she going to do when an alien doesn't agree to her way? Hold her breath?

I'm kind of hoping she'll die, personally.

Die horribly
Yes. These should happen.

[RetroNaz]

There's no potential for Chloe to ever be a diplomat. She wasn't even involved in the decisions needed to get water for the people on Destiny.... but yet she went total ***** when Rush suggested leaving Scott to die to save everyone else.

What's she going to do when an alien doesn't agree to her way? Hold her breath?

Yes. These should happen.

I imagine she will try and bed them.

[Gilpesh]

I imagine she will try and bed them.
Unless they are flying into the sun again and the alien is the closest guy in proximity to Chloe at the time, it will actually be Scott that will end up in the sack (or kitchen) with the aliens.

[RetroNaz]

Unless they are flying into the sun again and the alien is the closest guy in proximity to Chloe at the time, it will actually be Scott that will end up in the sack (or kitchen) with the aliens.

Haha totally true. My bad.

[Dark Helmet]

Unless they are flying into the sun again and the alien is the closest guy in proximity to Chloe at the time, it will actually be Scott that will end up in the sack (or kitchen) with the aliens.

No no no you see Chloe will do the politics thing then these aliens will want to see things they have never seen before. So Eli shows them Kino recorded footage (in private) of the whole love triangle & the aliens gets in tears & shares Eli's pain & then thanks to Eli any aliens would agree to any terms once so ever just for the pain Eli is going through. As that love triangle would put any race to tears & the crew will keep wondering what Eli shows the alien races

[C. Lee]

I have a question for anyone....did the last episode (WATER) seem short to anyone? I recorded and watched it off of the ON DEMAND feature of my cable....and the episode was 37 minutes long. The other episodes were 46 minutes. The episode will be rerun tomorrow and Friday....so I will re-record it to see if there was a difference.

[TheCorpulent1]

Seemed the same length as always to me. Hulu says its 43 minutes and change.

[C. Lee]

Seemed the same length as always to me. Hulu says its 43 minutes and change.

Weird. The ON DEMAND info says 37 minutes...the counter on my DVD where I recorded it says 37 minutes. I'll definately have re-record it.

[Sam Fisher]

Weird...should be around the standard 43 minutes...at least that's what I would expect.

[enterthemadness]

I'm not a big fan of SG-1 or SG-Atlantis. Seen a few eppys here and there...seen the SG-1 movie Continuum. (Which I like).

But...how good is Universe? It doesn't seem to be doing well in the ratings.

Why couldn't Sci-fi keep Atlantis AND new series Universe? And is Stargate the new Trek? (Have a movie, then a few tv shows)

Dunno why I never got into any series though. My mom liked SG-1 and SG-Atlantis and the SG-1 DTV movies. She doesn't care for Universe though.

Is Universe worth checking out on Syfy.com or Hulu?

Thanks.

[Sam Fisher]

I'm not a big fan of SG-1 or SG-Atlantis. Seen a few eppys here and there...seen the SG-1 movie Continuum. (Which I like).

But...how good is Universe? It doesn't seem to be doing well in the ratings. I think it;s great. Better than Atlantis IMO. Actually Universe is doing good in the ratings. http://www.gateworld.net/news/2009/11/universe-ratings-give-syfy-a-boost/

Why couldn't Sci-fi keep Atlantis AND new series Universe? And is Stargate the new Trek? (Have a movie, then a few tv shows)
You could call it that, especally after 15 seasons and three movies. From what I heard, The producers didn't want to do two shows at once{after doing three seasons of SG1/Atlantis}.

Dunno why I never got into any series though. My mom liked SG-1 and SG-Atlantis and the SG-1 DTV movies. She doesn't care for Universe though.

Is Universe worth checking out on Syfy.com or Hulu?

Thanks.I would say give it a chance. Universe seems like the type of show where you'll either going to love it or hate it, at least from the reactions I've seen.

[RetroNaz]

Keep in mind SGU takes a few steps away from the usual stargate formula.

[C. Lee]

I have a question for anyone....did the last episode (WATER) seem short to anyone? I recorded and watched it off of the ON DEMAND feature of my cable....and the episode was 37 minutes long. The other episodes were 46 minutes. The episode will be rerun tomorrow and Friday....so I will re-record it to see if there was a difference.

I re-recorded the episode today....and had the time to check out the one I recorded off of the ON DEMAND system....the shorter one from ON DEMAND had the entire section starting with the opening credits until the next commercial missing. I record a lot of things off of ON DEMAND...and never had that happen before.

[Paradox1]

Glad to see I'm not the only one who was pulling for Eli in the little love triangle.My question is why is know one banging the medic she is clearly the hottest chick on the ship.

[RetroNaz]

Glad to see I'm not the only one who was pulling for Eli in the little love triangle.My question is why is know one banging the medic she is clearly the hottest chick on the ship.

haha I ask this every episode!

[Superfreak]

Glad to see I'm not the only one who was pulling for Eli in the little love triangle.My question is why is know one banging the medic she is clearly the hottest chick on the ship.

cuz she's preggers, the actress and the character

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd say the chick that Riley and Eli were spying on a couple episodes ago is the hottest chick on the ship, personally.

[Happenstance]

I prefer TJ, although I never really liked her in Smallville

[BlackLantern]

who was she in Smallville?

[Morg]

I'd say the chick that Riley and Eli were spying on a couple episodes ago is the hottest chick on the ship, personally.

were you looking at her or her assets? :hehe:

[TheCorpulent1]

I was looking at her frontsets, actually. :wow:

[Happenstance]

who was she in Smallville?

Black Canary

[TheCorpulent1]

Hmm. Just googled her and she kind of looks a little bit terrible as Black Canary...

[C. Lee]

Glad to see I'm not the only one who was pulling for Eli in the little love triangle.My question is why is know one banging the medic she is clearly the hottest chick on the ship.

Maybe...just maybe....she doesn't feel the need to be "banged"?

[Paradox1]

Maybe...just maybe....she doesn't feel the need to be "banged"?

That might be it is though a big lonely ship and eventually she's gonna need some intimate company rather that be female or male.

[C. Lee]

That might be it is though a big lonely ship and eventually she's gonna need some intimate company rather that be female or male.

Key word there....eventually. They have been on the ship for a week. She's been taking care of the wounded. And people are wondering why she isn't banging anyone? Just because Scott is trying to screw everything that moves....doesn't mean that everyone feels that that is thier main mission in life.

[Superfreak]

now I want Chloe the hypocrite to die... I'm on that boat now.

question: is Telford banging Young's wife? And I'm assuming Young banged TJ. And atleast we know that Greer did something to Telford.

that's what was annoying me the most about the show... the contrived pre destiny history. I hope they move past that stuff as quick as possible.

[ChickenScratch]

What an f-ed up episode. I'm fully hating Chloe now. Telford got a little 5 second taste of Young's wife and now he's back for more it seems.

My whole thing is, this show is so damn depressing, every episode kicks me in the balls. It's so unlike the previous SG where they had moments of levity, or whole episodes that were pretty light.

[Gilpesh]

Yeah. I'm done with Universe now. The ****** characters are overpowering the good ones. And the producer saying that Chloe is staying around for a long time thanks to the fan response.... means that Stargate BSG is no longer on my watch list.

[Happenstance]

Why all the hate for Chloe in this episode? I dont remember her doing anything wrong. You do realise that kiss with Eli was in his imagination right?

Anyway I thought Rush was awesome in this episode.

[RetroNaz]

I'm more of a non fan of Young than Chloe, if I had to choose.

[Superfreak]

Why all the hate for Chloe in this episode? I dont remember her doing anything wrong. You do realise that kiss with Eli was in his imagination right?

Anyway I thought Rush was awesome in this episode.

how about the fact that she is *****ing her friend out for hooking up with her ex, while she is ****ing Scott in the mean time. Useless slag. The soap opera is raging. I'll keep an eye on the show, but it's getting kind of weak. Yes, the interpersonal relationships are taking too much of the center stage. It feels like there is no balance.

[Superfreak]

Yeah. I'm done with Universe now. The ****** characters are overpowering the good ones. And the producer saying that Chloe is staying around for a long time thanks to the fan response.... means that Stargate BSG is no longer on my watch list.

listen, don't ever call it that. This show doesn't hold a candle to BSG, nor is it anything like BSG (ie. awesome)

[Happenstance]

how about the fact that she is *****ing her friend out for hooking up with her ex, while she is ****ing Scott in the mean time. Useless slag. The soap opera is raging. I'll keep an eye on the show, but it's getting kind of weak. Yes, the interpersonal relationships are taking too much of the center stage. It feels like there is no balance.

Thats a really stupid reason. Of course she would get annoyed if her best friend hooked up with her ex, possibly while they were still together. He being with Scott has nothing to do with anything.

[Dr Lee]

Anyone catch the Futurama reference?

O'Neill seemed off today... dunno if it was just cuz he was being forced to push forward an idea he really didn't like....

Wonder if this is the start of Chloe actually doing something other than be Scotts bedbuddy.

Telford- BASTARD!

[X-Ray]

Anyone catch the Futurama reference?

O'Neill seemed off today... dunno if it was just cuz he was being forced to push forward an idea he really didn't like....

Wonder if this is the start of Chloe actually doing something other than be Scotts bedbuddy.

Telford- BASTARD!

I knew the name sounded familiar. :doh: ... :hehe:

[Superfreak]

Thats a really stupid reason. Of course she would get annoyed if her best friend hooked up with her ex, possibly while they were still together. He being with Scott has nothing to do with anything.

I'm annoyed at you for sleeping with my ex, yet I'm banging the cock of the week a billion light years away. Please, the hypocrisy is mindnumbing


Personally, I really don't care about what's happening on Earth. I wish they'd stop going back, it really withdraws from the stranded in space aspect of the show.

[rowan sjet]

I'm annoyed at you for sleeping with my ex, yet I'm banging the cock of the week a billion light years away. Please, the hypocrisy is mindnumbing
Like Happenstance, I took it to mean that Chloe's friend and ex were bumping uglies for a while, and that's why he and Chloe broke up. It's only now that Chloe is finding out who the other woman was.

[Dr Lee]

^^^I took the same view on this....

[wiegeabo]

Like Happenstance, I took it to mean that Chloe's friend and ex were bumping uglies for a while, and that's why he and Chloe broke up. It's only now that Chloe is finding out who the other woman was.

That's what she said. Her best friend was the reason they broke up. Her boyfriend was cheating with someone, and then Chloe finds out it was with her supposed best friend. So Chloe has now essentially lost her best friend.

That's a completely different situation then with Scott.

I think this is a turning point for Chloe. Before she was just walking around Destiny, feeling useless, and depressed about her father. Which actually makes perfect sense seeing as her father's dead body is still in that shuttle, and she hasn't been trained to help the crew. But I think now she's starting to realize that it's time to step out from her father's shadow and start making a name for herself.

[LadyVader]

My problem with Chloe in this episode can be summed up thusly. You'd think somebody who has looked death in the eye so many times, who's experienced being on an ancient ship travelling through the Universe at a gazillion licht years per hour... would be a little more mature and open minded about things that happen on Earth that don't even involve her directly.

And honestly, who gave her permission to poor alcohol down the body of another person. That girl will wake up with a major hangover the next day. Doesn't seem very fair. :)

Oh, and isn't it funny that the guy from Smallville who played Cosmic Boy was literally a cosmic boy in this episode? :)

[wiegeabo]

That's who that was!

[LadyVader]

I had to think about it for a while, but I never forget a sci-fi cutie! :) The fact that all my favourite shows are shot in Vancouver does help.

[TheCorpulent1]

I hate Chloe so much more after this episode.

[LadyVader]

You just hate her cause she's leading on the tubby guy. :)

[Gilpesh]

You just hate her cause she's leading on the tubby guy. :)
Yeah, it's not like anyone could hate on her because she's a horrible character that somehow infects other characters with horribleness.

[LadyVader]

Hey, I just said last page that I had a problem with her lack of maturity and foresight, but honestly, Chloe is just a symptom of a problem. Stargate writer just can't write a decent young girl I guess. :) They have no problem with Eli because they probably speak from experience. But I think they're trying to hard with Chloe. They just need to loosen up on the drama and think of something she can genuinely contribute to the group on the ship. Why doesn't she, for instance, help Tamara?

Tamara is the only physician on the ship, I'm sure she could use a nurse or an assistant. And I'm sure that Chloe is a better choice than Tom Paris was for The Doctor on Voyager. :)

[TheCorpulent1]

You just hate her cause she's leading on the tubby guy. :)
That is part of it, I won't lie. But more than that, I hate her because she's a pathetic, possessive b****. She had this boyfriend back home, then she got stuck on Destiny and had both Eli and Scott eating out of her hand, then she chose Scott, then she got all jealous because her friend starting doin' it with her ex, then she kissed Eli, then she called Eli a "good friend." Those are the actions of a b****, especially in such rapid succession. I get that she's all vulnerable because her dad died, but Christ, woman, be an adult and rein it in a bit.

[Gilpesh]

Why doesn't she, for instance, help Tamara?
BECAUSE CHLOE HAS REAL PROBLEMS TO DEAL WITH! :o [/wangst]

[LadyVader]

Am I a prude if I say there is an insane amount of sex going on in this show? People are about to die, well better get some sex while you can. People travel to Earth, well better get some sex while you can. In another dude's body no less. And when they're not havin sex they're dreaming about having it. Sheesh.

[TheCorpulent1]

Nah, there's a big emphasis on graphic sex. I'm not quite sure why any of the sex scenes besides the one with Young/Telford and his wife in this episode were really necessary. Definitely out of the ordinary if you're used to the older Stargate series.

[Kirmit]

That is part of it, I won't lie. But more than that, I hate her because she's a pathetic, possessive b****. She had this boyfriend back home, then she got stuck on Destiny and had both Eli and Scott eating out of her hand, then she chose Scott, then she got all jealous because her friend starting doin' it with her ex, then she kissed Eli, then she called Eli a "good friend." Those are the actions of a b****, especially in such rapid succession. I get that she's all vulnerable because her dad died, but Christ, woman, be an adult and rein it in a bit.

She didn't kiss Eli, that was Eli day dreaming. None the less, I'm indifferent to the chloe character, she just hasn't done anything of real interest yet.

On the subject on sex in the show, I've never had a problem with it, infact found alot of peoples reaction to it as rather prude. That said, the scenes so far seem just so random, they aren't needed and haven't added anything to the show or it's character, minus maybe the telford/young swap.

[Gilpesh]

On the subject on sex in the show, I've never had a problem with it, infact found alot of peoples reaction to it as rather prude. That said, the scenes so far seem just so random, they aren't needed and haven't added anything to the show or it's character, minus maybe the telford/young swap.
So reacting badly to random, unnecessary sex scenes, that add nothing to the show.... is being rather prudish? Riiiight. I guess me not liking bad writing makes me a huge prude. :awesome:

[wiegeabo]

That is part of it, I won't lie. But more than that, I hate her because she's a pathetic, possessive b****. She had this boyfriend back home, then she got stuck on Destiny and had both Eli and Scott eating out of her hand, then she chose Scott, then she got all jealous because her friend starting doin' it with her ex, then she kissed Eli, then she called Eli a "good friend." Those are the actions of a b****, especially in such rapid succession. I get that she's all vulnerable because her dad died, but Christ, woman, be an adult and rein it in a bit.

Eli was imagining the kiss.

And she was upset not because her friend started dating her ex after they broke up, but that she just found out her best friend was ****ing her ex and was the reason they broke up. That sounds like a good reason to be upset (especially after a few drinks).

[Arbiter]

YOung didnt think it was weird that essentially his wife was ****ing Telford, even though his mind was in Telfords body his wife still saw Telford.

[Wyrminarrd]

YOung didnt think it was weird that essentially his wife was ****ing Telford, even though his mind was in Telfords body his wife still saw Telford.

I did wonder about that, it almost like she cheated on her husband with her husband:wow:

The only way this could get more silly/weird is if the wife had been having an affair with Talford.

[wiegeabo]

YOung didnt think it was weird that essentially his wife was ****ing Telford, even though his mind was in Telfords body his wife still saw Telford.

I don't think it really hit him until he flashed back onto Destiny, and then home again. The expression on his face when he reappeared in the bed was "Oh ****! She's ****ing Telford!"

[Asgard]

I like the ep. Does anyone else think the wormhole to Earth would have succeeded if not for Rush? The ep left it kind of ambiguous but I get the feeling it would have worked. Pissed me off how Col Telford and the two scientists just left like that.

I liked the scenes with Eli and his mom. Felt sorry for him.

What a mind**** it is to be on the ship one moment and the next your being ridden by your colleague's wife. It'd be an even bigger mind**** if Col. Young was gay and a bottom.

[wiegeabo]

I like the ep. Does anyone else think the wormhole to Earth would have succeeded if not for Rush? The ep left it kind of ambiguous but I get the feeling it would have worked. Pissed me off how Col Telford and the two scientists just left like that.

I liked the scenes with Eli and his mom. Felt sorry for him.

What a mind**** it is to be on the ship one moment and the next your being ridden by your colleague's wife. It'd be an even bigger mind**** if Col. Young was gay and a bottom.

Bwahahahahaha. Telford's expression would have been even more priceless. :p


According to Rush, without the safeguards he put in, the overload would have been much greater and destroyed the ship. Whether that's true or not, it was too early to try such a thing. It was obviously an IOC mandated plan. Even Jack wasn't too thrilled with it, and I think he was trying to convince himself it would work with the Carter speech almost as much as he was trying to convince Young. If everyone on the ship had been on the verge of starving to death, or Destiny had suddenly started to seriously fall apart, then sure. They'd have nothing to lose. But, so far, Destiny has been providing them with planets to use and has been tough enough to survive multiple FTL trips and star recharges. So I doubt it's structure is critically compromised at the moment.

[Kirmit]

So reacting badly to random, unnecessary sex scenes, that add nothing to the show.... is being rather prudish? Riiiight. I guess me not liking bad writing makes me a huge prude. :awesome:

That's not what I said, I said some peoples reactions to just the very thought of sex on the show, not the context in which it's in or its relevance, came across as rather prudish to me.

[Dr Lee]

I thought Telfords face when he returned from ****ing Youngs wife was priceless......also i liked how both Eli and the Smallville dude both said the same thing about the stones....

[RetroNaz]

The storyline with Telford and Young had me in stitches. That was freaking priceless.

Telford got to "unload" so to speak. Then he got to go back to his own body and skip all that chat and being nice nonsense that comes after it LOL.

[zanos]

What's the deal with Ona Grauer? Just a few years ago she was playing an unbelievably hot ancient and now she looks like a soccer mom. She's only 31!

[Superfreak]

Young is so pathetic on Earth, and so cool in space. Dude has issues

[Superfreak]

What's the deal with Ona Grauer? Just a few years ago she was playing an unbelievably hot ancient and now she looks like a soccer mom. She's only 31!

she's a smokin soccer mom though.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, she still looks unbelievably hot to me. :huh:

[Superfreak]

what season of SG1 was that? It has been 10 years or something

[TheCorpulent1]

Season 6. So like 5 years ago.

[Sam Fisher]

I actually just got done watching Season 6 for the first time. It was very meh.

[Dr Lee]

And she was the Ancient that stayed on Earth during the opening scenes of Atlantis....... which was the same character as she played in SG-1....

[TheCorpulent1]

Season 5 was their last really good season, I think. But season 6 had a few great episodes and I really liked Jonas.

[GL1]

I'm still following this show, but I can't really tell why. I guess the ship is my favorite character or something, because all the people, with the possible exception of Greer, do little to nothing for me.

They do some interesting things on the sci-fi, but with all the character development, something is certainly missing for me, I just can't put my finger on what.

[TheCorpulent1]

So far the only characters I've liked consistently are Young and Rush.

[LadyVader]

On a totally unrelated note... David Hewlett is currently shooting a movie on location in my town, Bucharest. And I just found out. Me and McKay are like breathing the same noxious gases that pass for air! :)

[wiegeabo]

You're stalking him as we speak, aren't you? ;)

[zanos]

Yeah, she still looks unbelievably hot to me. :huh:

Hot for an older woman, but 31 is far from "older woman" territory. That's my point. If someone told me she was 36 I don't think I'd argue it. Kate Beckinsale is actually 36 but she looks like she could be 28. See the difference?

[TheCorpulent1]

Nope, she's hot by any standard to me.

[Mostpowerful]

Well, the ep was ok but I feel this show is lacking some real fun and adventure. It's just too dramatic and too serious most of the time. I guess I miss my alien encounters. And those stones are the biggest cop out ever. meh

[TheCorpulent1]

How are the stones a cop out? Just because they allow basic communication with Earth?

[Gilpesh]

How are the stones a cop out? Just because they allow basic communication with Earth?
Well. If they ever get into a situation where they are stuck with something.... just use the stones to get an expert!

[TheCorpulent1]

They already have experts on everything on the ship and they're still completely dumbfounded about everything. And, clearly, the "experts" on Earth aren't much better, as we learned this ep.

[wiegeabo]

Well. If they ever get into a situation where they are stuck with something.... just use the stones to get an expert!

As opposed to Sam or Rodney being able to fix anything?

[C. Lee]

No one likes the Wesley Crusher theroum....but it's true......every sci fi show needs the "go to" guy or object to save the day.

[Gilpesh]

They already have experts on everything on the ship and they're still completely dumbfounded about everything. And, clearly, the "experts" on Earth aren't much better, as we learned this ep.
Well. Seeing as they're sticking with this, Rush is possibly a bad guy plot point, we're not exactly certain about that.

As opposed to Sam or Rodney being able to fix anything?
At least with Sam or Rodney... they weren't all mysterious..... and British. :hehe:

[C. Lee]

Except that the actor who plays Rodney is British.

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought he was Canadian.

[Mostpowerful]

How are the stones a cop out? Just because they allow basic communication with Earth?

They are using the stones to communicate with Earth because they can't use the Gate apparently. I dunno, I just find myself rolling my eyes every time that happens. The Gate is one thing, but the stones is too much to take in, especially since they are what like thousands of millions of miles away from home. It's really hard to believe. It's too godlike. It reminds me of Q from Star Trek. There is only so much suspension of disbelief one can take. This is supposed to be sci fi not fantasy.

[wiegeabo]

I thought he was Canadian.

He's British, but he's lived in Canada since he was a kid.

[Gilpesh]

Except that the actor who plays Rodney is British.
And Rodney (the character) is Canadian. :oldrazz:

[wiegeabo]

They are using the stones to communicate with Earth because they can't use the Gate apparently. I dunno, I just find myself rolling my eyes every time that happens. The Gate is one thing, but the stones is too much to take in, especially since they are what like thousands of millions of miles away from home. It's really hard to believe. It's too godlike. It reminds me of Q from Star Trek. There is only so much suspension of disbelief one can take. This is supposed to be sci fi not fantasy.

More like thousands of millions of light years. Although I don't remember hearing tons of complaints about it when Daniel and Vala were using it.

And there's actually some basis for the stones. According to quantum entanglement theory, two particles can be separated by space, but one will react 'instantaneously' to changes in the other. Even if separated by large distances.. Recent attempts at measuring this 'speed' of interaction put it a minimum of 10,000 times the speed of light. But no know maximum has been found.

Figuring the stones are based on Ancient technology that allows the travel of matter through wormholes between galaxies in a few seconds, I'm not sure why it's so improbable that allowing energy (in the form of consciousness) to travel such distances even faster. Hell, to travel between galaxies in days (which is what I assume Destiny is doing, although it could just still be in the same galaxy), it would have to be traveling billions of times the speed of light.

[Eklypze]

Ok Eli telling his mom his name was Phillip Fry was fn great

[wiegeabo]

You know, even thought there's not much to laugh about or have fun with on the ship (they are in a dire situation, after all), I wouldn't mind seeing practical jokes become a subplot during one episode.

A rash of practical jokes start popping up, and everyone starts naturally blaming Eli. And while he thinks they're hilarious, he continues to claim innocence. It all comes to a head at the end of the episode when a joke is played on Young in the mess hall. Ely, knowing he's going to get the blame again, quickly makes an exit. Young leaves, furious, and the crew busts out laughing, their spirits high for a change.

Upon hearing the laughter, Young smiles as he walks back to his quarters since he was actually the one pulling the practical jokes as a way of lifting morale.

[Dr Lee]

Actually both Amanda Tapping and David Hewlett were born in the UK...

[GhostPoet]

The sex scenes make me feel like they are trying too hard to make the show gritty.

I'd rather see more stories that have to do with...you know...SCI-FI. Like the next episode. :)

[C. Lee]

The sex scenes make me feel like they are trying too hard to make the show gritty.

I'd rather see more stories that have to do with...you know...SCI-FI. Like the next episode. :)

I was just reading a critics commentary about the show....they were talking about how the show is sexist, doesn't give the women decent parts, and is relying too mush on having people jump in the sack.

[TheCorpulent1]

TJ seems to be a pretty strong woman. Although I can't say Camille or Chloe are doing much to disprove the idea that the show may be a bit sexist.

[Mostpowerful]

More like thousands of millions of light years. Although I don't remember hearing tons of complaints about it when Daniel and Vala were using it.

And there's actually some basis for the stones. According to quantum entanglement theory, two particles can be separated by space, but one will react 'instantaneously' to changes in the other. Even if separated by large distances.. Recent attempts at measuring this 'speed' of interaction put it a minimum of 10,000 times the speed of light. But no know maximum has been found.

Figuring the stones are based on Ancient technology that allows the travel of matter through wormholes between galaxies in a few seconds, I'm not sure why it's so improbable that allowing energy (in the form of consciousness) to travel such distances even faster. Hell, to travel between galaxies in days (which is what I assume Destiny is doing, although it could just still be in the same galaxy), it would have to be traveling billions of times the speed of light.

Yes, yes, of course! I meant to say light years. :doh:

And you know, I stopped watching SG1 about the time Claudia Black came on board and through most of the whole Ori arc, so I missed those eps about the stones. Dunno, I began to feel bored watching those eps, Was it worth it/any good? :csad:

BTW, I watched the ep 'Unending' a few months ago during reruns and absolutely LOVED it! What season was this part of? I guess I missed on some fun, eh?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt-8lQt1RPA&feature=related



The sex scenes make me feel like they are trying too hard to make the show gritty.

I'd rather see more stories that have to do with...you know...SCI-FI. Like the next episode. :)

Again, it got me by surprise.. not that it scares me or something :woot: but my 9-year-old son was watching with me....

[wiegeabo]

Yes, yes, of course! I meant to say light years. :doh:

And you know, I stopped watching SG1 about the time Claudia Black came on board and through most of the whole Ori arc, so I missed those eps about the stones. Dunno, I began to feel bored watching those eps, Was it worth it/any good? :csad:

BTW, I watched the ep 'Unending' a few months ago during reruns and absolutely LOVED it! What season was this part of? I guess I missed on some fun, eh?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt-8lQt1RPA&feature=related





Again, it got me by surprise.. not that it scares me or something :woot: but my 9-year-old son was watching with me....

Unending was the series finale.

[Dr Lee]

Unending was THE final episode of SG-1....

and the last shot of the episode was filmed as the last shot of the schedule...

[wiegeabo]

Unending was THE final episode of SG-1....

and the last shot of the episode was filmed as the last shot of the schedule...

It was so sad seeing the photos taken after that last shot where Amanda and everyone is saying goodbye and crying.

[Sam Fisher]

Unending is a great episode{like it a whole lot better as a finale than "Ark Of Truth"}.

hQAXnJaaepU

[Dr Lee]

If you look during the last scenes... Chris Judge was bawling his eyes out... they had to alter some camera angles as he just couldn't stop crying... Don't blame him TBH

[wiegeabo]

I think you can tell that Amanda had been as well.

[RetroNaz]

Amanda Tapping has aged extremely well. She looks better now than when she was first on the show! Maybe it's just good to see her with long hair lol...

[wiegeabo]

Unending is a great episode{like it a whole lot better as a finale than "Ark Of Truth"}.

hQAXnJaaepU

It hadn't occurred to me before (or maybe it had and I'd forgotten), but the way Vala was clinging to Daniel...I'm wondering if it wasn't the pressure of being on the ship...but that they lost a baby.

[Dr Lee]

that was the idea behind that clip.... also, apparently Chris and Amanda specifically tried to include some Teal'c/Carter stuff in the episode...which was all cut out in the edit lol

[Mostpowerful]

Unending was the series finale.

Oh, really?! Wow. Yeah, loved it. I must watch the last season for sure now.




Unending is a great episode{like it a whole lot better as a finale than "Ark Of Truth"}.

hQAXnJaaepU

Very nice scene.

LOVE this one too.. so intense!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m_wQEtafm8&feature=related

What a jerk Daniel was there, but obviusly he didn't really mean all of that, right? It seems to me he was just trying to protect himself from Vala. I always wanted to see both of them ending up together, sure they were very different, but that's part of the fun. :woot:



that was the idea behind that clip.... also, apparently Chris and Amanda specifically tried to include some Teal'c/Carter stuff in the episode...which was all cut out in the edit lol

Hmm, yeah, so that's WHY I noticed at the end how Teal'c looked at Sam; like if they had had something important during all those years in the ship. :cwink:

[Sam Fisher]

Title of third SG1 movie revealed.

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2009/11/third-sg-1-movie-is-stargate-revolution/

[TheCorpulent1]

Interesting. I'm kind of curious how they'll reintegrate O'Neill. RDA doesn't seem like he'd be into the heavy action stuff he used to do in the role anymore. Not to mention the idea of a 3-star general going out on dangerous missions is a bit odd overall. Still, getting O'Neill back is awesome anyway. :awesome:

I know it'll never happen, but I kind of wish we could get a movie with both the SG-1 and Atlantis casts.

[LadyVader]

You know, even thought there's not much to laugh about or have fun with on the ship (they are in a dire situation, after all), I wouldn't mind seeing practical jokes become a subplot during one episode.

A rash of practical jokes start popping up, and everyone starts naturally blaming Eli. And while he thinks they're hilarious, he continues to claim innocence. It all comes to a head at the end of the episode when a joke is played on Young in the mess hall. Ely, knowing he's going to get the blame again, quickly makes an exit. Young leaves, furious, and the crew busts out laughing, their spirits high for a change.

Upon hearing the laughter, Young smiles as he walks back to his quarters since he was actually the one pulling the practical jokes as a way of lifting morale.

Cute, but I don't seeing it happening. At this point I think it far more likely the crew would just spontaneously start to have sex with eachother... rather than pull practical jokes. :P

[Sam Fisher]

Cute, but I don't seeing it happening. At this point I think it far more likely the crew would just spontaneously start to have sex with eachother... rather than pull practical jokes. :P
Wait...that's not happening already?:p:oldrazz:

[Gold Samurai]

RDA doesn't seem like he'd be into the heavy action stuff he used to do in the role anymore.

"Heavy" is one word to describe RDA's weight gain since leaving lol



It hadn't occurred to me before (or maybe it had and I'd forgotten), but the way Vala was clinging to Daniel...I'm wondering if it wasn't the pressure of being on the ship...but that they lost a baby.

Wait what?

[wiegeabo]

Wait what?

The way they were acting in that shot, and seeing as how it was after they started hooking up, makes me think Vala had a miscarriage.

[Dr Lee]

Wait what?

That was the idea around that scene...for some reason

[TheCorpulent1]

"Heavy" is one word to describe RDA's weight gain since leaving lol
Hey, the man was in phenomenal shape for like 50 years. Cut him some slack. ;)

[wiegeabo]

Hey, the man was in phenomenal shape for like 50 years. Cut him some slack. ;)

You're gonna put on a few pounds when your a 60 year old, planet bound General.

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe he got stuck in another time loop and ate nothing but Fruit Loops for a couple years. :hehe:

[Dugath]

At last, an episode of Universe that did not bore me to death. Best Episode so far (for me). Nothing like a little alien creature bursting out of an annoying woman to put a smile on ones face :cwink:

[wiegeabo]

This actually felt (and through the kino's eye, looked), like a classic SG1 episode.

For some reason, I really liked the little flicker of the end credits.


Next week, can't wait for Young to kick Telford's ass!

[ChickenScratch]

I hated watching much of the episode through the kino. It's a tired, overused trope that film makers trot out whenever they "wanna put you in the action." How about, just film the thing straight and just say the kino was floating around and got all the same events down. The picture looks bad through it and I'm not a fan of watching things that try to look bad on purpose.

Oh, the first episode of the season without that chick being a complete hose beast *****, but she was dead or unconscious through most of it. Eli ruled as always, agreeing with his recorded self, priceless, a very Rodney moment.

[Lord Blackbolt]

You're gonna put on a few pounds when your a 60 year old, planet bound General.

Did he and sam ever get married?

[wiegeabo]

In some cases the 'in action viewpoint' doesn't work, but I think it was well done in this case. And it made it much more effective when we realized they were watching the same images the same way we were watching them. I don't think it would have had nearly the impact if they had just said they got all the same events recorded.

[wiegeabo]

Did he and sam ever get married?

Nope.

[LadyVader]

I liked everything about the episode, both action and character development, except the f***ing aliens. Really? killer worms? After 10 seasons of wormy goa'ulds, that's the best you could come up with? I mean they already designed the sand creature vortex thingies so I know they have it in them, I was just disappointed when i say they were sticking to some ******** stereotype looking evil alien. That always heads for the chest no less. Why would an alien pick the most difficult part of human anatomy to burst through?

Just a minor nitpick of mine. :)

[Dugath]

I liked everything about the episode, both action and character development, except the f***ing aliens. Really? killer worms? After 10 seasons of wormy goa'ulds, that's the best you could come up with? I mean they already designed the sand creature vortex thingies so I know they have it in them, I was just disappointed when i say they were sticking to some ******** stereotype looking evil alien. That always heads for the chest no less. Why would an alien pick the most difficult part of human anatomy to burst through?

Just a minor nitpick of mine. :)


LOL what? You might not like it, but "killer worms" even though they were no where close to looking like worms is a heck lot more realistic than dust cloud aliens. As for going for the Torso.. hmm what is the largest part of the human body? Oh yes.. the Torso :wow: , which would be the easiest part of the human body to attack.

[LadyVader]

My complaint about the killer worms wasn't that they weren't realistic, but rather that it's a boring concept for an alien. I mean they already had alien worms in Stargate Sg1, but at least they were an intelligent species.

The chest is not the same thing as the torso. If they went for the stomach that's one thing, but most of the worms jumped on people's chest, where the sternum and the ribcage are, which are a heck of a lot harder to eat through.

[wiegeabo]

I seriously doubt the worms knew much about human anatomy. Just like leeches latch onto the first thing that presents themselves. These things jump, and when the hit something, they dig. And the way that one worm exploded out of Chloe's back, I don't think bones were that much of a hassle for them.

What other type of creature could they have used? There are worms on Earth that burrow into flesh. And why are they worms? Because that's the easiest shape to burrow with. And maybe these things are what the Ga'ould were like a million years ago before they became intelligent. (I think the Ga'oul probaby became intelligent by generation after generation latching onto brains and learning from their hosts, more than spontaneously developing it themselves.)

[The Squirrel]

The best episode so far. :up:

I admit looking through the keeno was annoying, but as soon as the first teaser showed that they were watching it, it got acceptable.

[Wyrminarrd]

I hate time travel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Either we just watched an hours worth of the series that deals with an alternative universe from the one we have been watching so far or starting from next episode we will be watching an alternative universe :cmad:

Either way this is just stupid and this is far from the first time that the writers of Stargate have made this mistake. I could tolerate it if our bunch had just been lucky and were benefiting from another reality having time traveled but having a second loop happen just ruins things.

Besides the time travel thing the episode was very good.

[Kirmit]

I liked everything about the episode, both action and character development, except the f***ing aliens. Really? killer worms? After 10 seasons of wormy goa'ulds, that's the best you could come up with? I mean they already designed the sand creature vortex thingies so I know they have it in them, I was just disappointed when i say they were sticking to some ******** stereotype looking evil alien. That always heads for the chest no less. Why would an alien pick the most difficult part of human anatomy to burst through?

Just a minor nitpick of mine. :)

Worms? They looked alot more like land squids or facehuggers.

[Sam Fisher]

I hate time travel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Either we just watched an hours worth of the series that deals with an alternative universe from the one we have been watching so far or starting from next episode we will be watching an alternative universe :cmad:

Either way this is just stupid and this is far from the first time that the writers of Stargate have made this mistake. I could tolerate it if our bunch had just been lucky and were benefiting from another reality having time traveled but having a second loop happen just ruins things.

Besides the time travel thing the episode was very good.
I love time travel! I was all over this episode.

Though I was the only one reminded of Alien with the whole worm thing?

[zedhatch]

I thought it was one of the best eps yet, finally something beyond basic survival (Air, water) and had a sci-fi element to it (time travel) very cool.

[Dr Lee]

Righty.... looks like TPTB have used the Kino webisodes to explain the end of the episode...

Linky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vte7LMnYV10)

[Paradox1]

thats pretty cool I need more of those

[wiegeabo]

That's pretty cool.

I like the fact that they got both kinos. The only thing that would ever annoy me about time travel is when a timeline gets wiped out, and no one from the new timeline ever knows about the sacrifices made.

[wiegeabo]

Also, I completely empathized with Eli's view on death. That idea of what it's like scares the crap out of me too. :(

[Eklypze]

What was funny is that before the alien worms showed up Eli made a clear reference to Aliens. Talk about blatant foreshadowing

[C. Lee]

Eli makes references to lots of sci fi movies and TV shows....like real people would in that situation.

[RetroNaz]

Man, some of you people are hard to please. I thought the episode was great. The show finally gave us the things some people here have been complaining was lacking in recent episodes, but that's still not enough!?

[Superfreak]

Man, some of you people are hard to please. I thought the episode was great. The show finally gave us the things some people here have been complaining was lacking in recent episodes, but that's still not enough!?

it's a tv show, it requires consistency. One solid episode does not define the show as consistent.

[wiegeabo]

How about a whole series of solid episodes, which I feel like they've had. Action doesn't have to be the main focus of a series.

And I think people are forgetting how much time has passed in the show. We get an episode once a week, but each episode is like another day for them. So they've literally had day after day of **** happening (as Eli says in the kino vid).

[Wyrminarrd]

Personally, my gripe about the episode is just with time travel and how the writers of Stargate use it. It just feels like they don't really think things through sometimes with regards to the fact that you can't change your own past. When Scott sent the kino through the gate at the end it did nothing to change the fact that the people in his timeline died so why should he or anyone care enough to send something back in time? All your doing is creating a new timeline while yours still exists and is as crummy as ever!!!!

In other regards the episode was good and probably the best of the series so far.

[Paradox1]

Personally, my gripe about the episode is just with time travel and how the writers of Stargate use it. It just feels like they don't really think things through sometimes with regards to the fact that you can't change your own past. When Scott sent the kino through the gate at the end it did nothing to change the fact that the people in his timeline died so why should he or anyone care enough to send something back in time? All your doing is creating a new timeline while yours still exists and is as crummy as ever!!!!

In other regards the episode was good and probably the best of the series so far.

I think Time travel is a fun concept to play with in sci fi.Your also looking at the time travel from the wrong point of view. You said you can't change your own past which is true if your visualizing time travel as a grandfather paradox where if you go back in time killing your own grandfather how could you be born to time travel.Which clearly Stargate writers are not writing from ,they have consistently written time travel as a multiverse where every choice creates a another universe.So when Scott made the final kino he created another universe where he could change the future by giving them a warning.

[wiegeabo]

I think Time travel is a fun concept to play with in sci fi.Your also looking at the time travel from the wrong point of view. You said you can't change your own past which is true if your visualizing time travel as a grandfather paradox where if you go back in time killing your own grandfather how could you be born to time travel.Which clearly Stargate writers are not writing from ,they have consistently written time travel as a multiverse where every choice creates a another universe.So when Scott made the final kino he created another universe where he could change the future by giving them a warning.

Except in the case of 1969 where the time travel was used to create a self-fulfilling prophecy (Hammond sends them back in time so they can have Hammond send them back in time). But, because they weren't changing history, just ensuring it happens, it doesn't necessarily break the Stargate convention.

[Baggers]

Tapping confirms her return to SGU:

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2009/11/tapping-confirms-her-return-to-sgu/

[Wyrminarrd]

I think Time travel is a fun concept to play with in sci fi.Your also looking at the time travel from the wrong point of view. You said you can't change your own past which is true if your visualizing time travel as a grandfather paradox where if you go back in time killing your own grandfather how could you be born to time travel.Which clearly Stargate writers are not writing from ,they have consistently written time travel as a multiverse where every choice creates a another universe.So when Scott made the final kino he created another universe where he could change the future by giving them a warning.

My point still stands, by sending something back in time he did nothing to change his OWN timeline, it remains as messed up as ever and the only things he managed to do is create an alternative universe.

There is therefore nothing to be gained for this particular Scott by changing the past since he's never going to enjoy the benefits. The only way you can truly benefit personally from backward time travel is if you go yourself, then the new timeline is your own time line from then on and you can travel back to the future you've created.

The Stargate writers really don't seem to understand their own time travel rules, just look at how out of synch "Continuum" was (not going to write any spoilers about the movie though).

[Superfreak]

I think Time travel is a fun concept to play with in sci fi.Your also looking at the time travel from the wrong point of view. You said you can't change your own past which is true if your visualizing time travel as a grandfather paradox where if you go back in time killing your own grandfather how could you be born to time travel.Which clearly Stargate writers are not writing from ,they have consistently written time travel as a multiverse where every choice creates a another universe.So when Scott made the final kino he created another universe where he could change the future by giving them a warning.

I agree... but I also feel that the multiverse angle is also a cop out. It allows the writers to do what ever they want, however ridiculous, just so they can erase later.

[Sam Fisher]

I agree... but I also feel that the multiverse angle is also a cop out. It allows the writers to do what ever they want, however ridiculous, just so they can erase later.

As ridiculous as ,say, a wormhole that shoots you across the galaxy in 3.5 seconds? This is sci-fi we're talking about here after all.

[Paradox1]

My point still stands, by sending something back in time he did nothing to change his OWN timeline, it remains as messed up as ever and the only things he managed to do is create an alternative universe.

There is therefore nothing to be gained for this particular Scott by changing the past since he's never going to enjoy the benefits. The only way you can truly benefit personally from backward time travel is if you go yourself, then the new timeline is your own time line from then on and you can travel back to the future you've created.

The Stargate writers really don't seem to understand their own time travel rules, just look at how out of synch "Continuum" was (not going to write any spoilers about the movie though).

I thought the point of Scott creating the last kino was part of the sacrfifice for the betterment of the crew (cause I'm sure he didn't survive)and himself.He didn't wanna live in a universe that didn't have Chloe in it I thought that was fairly obvious. I'm sure loosing some ot the other people were part of it but I think he mostly did it for Chloe.

[TheCorpulent1]

As ridiculous as ,say, a wormhole that shoots you across the galaxy in 3.5 seconds? This is sci-fi we're talking about here after all.
It's always fun to see what entirely arbitrary lines people draw between what's believable and what's not in science fiction, isn't it? ;)

[Superfreak]

As ridiculous as ,say, a wormhole that shoots you across the galaxy in 3.5 seconds? This is sci-fi we're talking about here after all.

I'm not talking about suspension of disbelief, if you had read the discussion, you'd see that. There's always someone who brings this up in discussion of sci fi. There is suspension of disbelief, and then there's plot devices. You are talking about one, I'm talking about the other.

what I'm talking about is the cop out, or the Ex Deus Machina that such a concept provides a writer.

mind you, I'm not commenting on SGU (yet), but there were certainly a couple of WTF moments in SG1. Mobius 1 and 2 being examples. The whole concept was cool until the 'it's an different reality, so nothing that happened to SG1 mattered'. They were pathetic excuses for that season's finale, when Reckonning was a much better 2 parter(mainly because it wasn't in a BS tangent universe where nothing matters).

[Superfreak]

It's always fun to see what entirely arbitrary lines people draw between what's believable and what's not in science fiction, isn't it? ;)

that goes to you too corp, I'm not talking about suspension of disbelief, what I'm talking about is the use of time travel as a narrative tool used by writers to allow them to do anything they want, and then erase such events by the next episode via explanation of 'it was in another multiverse dimension, not ours' because they were inconvenient or inconsistent with the rest of the series.

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, I'm used to it. Parallel universes are a sci fi staple. This was a fairly good use of it, too. Most of the times the episodes are just boring. This one at least took a more ground-level approach to it and used the mystery that created to its advantage.

[Superfreak]

Eh, I'm used to it. Parallel universes are a sci fi staple. This was a fairly good use of it, too. Most of the times the episodes are just boring. This one at least took a more ground-level approach to it and used the mystery that created to its advantage.

indeed, I never said the episode was bad. And it's use this time is interesting. However, I'm always weary, especially of the SG crew, in the use of this concept.

And it's not that I don't believe or can't believe in time travel, it's more the narrative implications of time travel that bother me... especially the ease of solution.

[wiegeabo]

Do we actually know that these were alternate realities? Different timeline doesn't necessarily mean different universe. By sending the first kino through, they reset the timeline from that point on, changing the present/future. (Rush going through didn't change anything, which is why Scott was still around to send the first kino through.)

The second kino does the same thing, changing the present/future again (presumably, the trip through the wormhole, or having already traveled through time, protects the kinos and Rush's body from any type of grandfather paradox).

[GhostPoet]

So, I think this is likely my favorite episode of the season. It's got more sci-fi elements than usual in it and it's not so much about basic survival...well, it IS, but with a sci-fi twist to it. Hard to explain what I mean. :)

I just like the fact they are off the ship and getting into an issue that SG-1 would have gotten into more.

[Baggers]

Shanks, Anderson return to SGU in ‘Subversion’:

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2009/11/shanks-anderson-return-to-sgu-in-subversion/

:)

[Wyrminarrd]

Do we actually know that these were alternate realities? Different timeline doesn't necessarily mean different universe. By sending the first kino through, they reset the timeline from that point on, changing the present/future. (Rush going through didn't change anything, which is why Scott was still around to send the first kino through.)

The second kino does the same thing, changing the present/future again (presumably, the trip through the wormhole, or having already traveled through time, protects the kinos and Rush's body from any type of grandfather paradox).

It's been established in the Stargate universe that alternative timelines exists (see Quantum Mirror). As I´ve been saying, the writers just don't seem to know what they want from their time travel and are therefore all over the place with it.

Time travel can be a good story telling device if thought out properly, but sadly Stargate choose to use it in what ever way suited the episode of the week and thus made a mess of it.

[wiegeabo]

I'm trying to remember an episode where they time traveled to an alternate timeline. I can think of episodes where they used the quantum mirror to travel to one. And that one episode where teams from other timelines kept popping through the gate (had nothing to do with time travel, though).

The only time travels I can think of always change the main timeline, not create an alternate universe.

[Sam Fisher]

edit (http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/The_Road_Not_Taken)

[carrrnuttt]

Do we actually know that these were alternate realities?

These were alternate realities. For there to have been a 2nd and 3rd kino (besides the one the "present" team has), there had to have been realities for these kinos to have come from.

What people don't get is that BOTH alternate realities and time-line manipulation occurred in the last SGU episode. The timelines where everyone dies still exist. The reason that the main timeline that we're now following was able to see the other alternate realities' consquences, is because the kinos were sent back into a time where the alternate realities were still one reality. The "branching" of these particular realities doesn't occur until after their encounter with the planet, and the kinos were clearly sent back to a time well before this occurrence.

You have to think of time in the Stargate universe as a never-ending, infinitely-branching-off tree. This theory is existent in our real universe as well. Every decision that has multiple outcomes theoretically generates multiple "branches" where each branch is the outcome of one of the many choices.

In "Time," there was only one "branch" to start, but the team's ability to loop a message back into itself, created at least two other "branches" in the time/universe "tree."

[wiegeabo]

No, I see it differently. In Stargate, time travel does not equal multiple realities. Those realities exist, but you travel to them through devices like the quantum mirror.

But in episodes like 1969, 2010, the one where they go back for the ZPM (can never remember the name), and Continuum, the time travel effects the main timeline, rewriting history. Yet things from the unaltered future/present (like the note in 2010, or the video recording left in ancient Egypt) can survive the changes because they've already gone through the wormhole or traveled through time. By doing so, they've separated themselves from the effects of any changes (Stargate's way of getting around paradoxes).

[Superfreak]

I'm trying to remember an episode where they time traveled to an alternate timeline. I can think of episodes where they used the quantum mirror to travel to one. And that one episode where teams from other timelines kept popping through the gate (had nothing to do with time travel, though).

The only time travels I can think of always change the main timeline, not create an alternate universe.

like I said, Mobius I and II, possibly the worst finale IMO, and had they ended the series with that(which was the intention until the new cast members had joined), I'd have lost all faith in the SG production team.

[Superfreak]

No, I see it differently. In Stargate, time travel does not equal multiple realities. Those realities exist, but you travel to them through devices like the quantum mirror.

But in episodes like 1969, 2010, the one where they go back for the ZPM (can never remember the name), and Continuum, the time travel effects the main timeline, rewriting history. Yet things from the unaltered future/present (like the note in 2010, or the video recording left in ancient Egypt) can survive the changes because they've already gone through the wormhole or traveled through time. By doing so, they've separated themselves from the effects of any changes (Stargate's way of getting around paradoxes).

according to SG time travel lore, those are alternate universes, because those universes/realities live on, even though they dropped something off that changes our reality.

[SsM]

No, I see it differently. In Stargate, time travel does not equal multiple realities. Those realities exist, but you travel to them through devices like the quantum mirror.

But in episodes like 1969, 2010, the one where they go back for the ZPM (can never remember the name), and Continuum, the time travel effects the main timeline, rewriting history. Yet things from the unaltered future/present (like the note in 2010, or the video recording left in ancient Egypt) can survive the changes because they've already gone through the wormhole or traveled through time. By doing so, they've separated themselves from the effects of any changes (Stargate's way of getting around paradoxes).


Moebius?

[Superfreak]

k, me, I thought last week was a cliffhanger... clearly I was wrong. They really have to stop doing these 'back to earth' episodes. They're already getting old.

[RetroNaz]

Yeah I was a little suprised that last weeks episode wasn't continued. I was like "oh crap, I've missed an ep?"

Honestly, I don't mind the earth stuff. And it's good to see some of the other characters getting some juicier material to work with.

[Superfreak]

Yeah I was a little suprised that last weeks episode wasn't continued. I was like "oh crap, I've missed an ep?"

Honestly, I don't mind the earth stuff. And it's good to see some of the other characters getting some juicier material to work with.

I just don't find the Earth stuff interesting. Mostly because most of it really has nothing to do with the narrative. I really don't care about the home lives of most of the characters: unless they are important to the plot of the episode/season/series.

I mean Ok, I get that these people are stranded, and are dealing with issues caught up in that. But the whole Camille and Scott exposition, just seemed useless to me... atleast the amount they gave us(so Camille is a lesbian, and Scott is a dead beat dad who doesn't know it: I don't really care).

I feel like it could have been 10% the length, with more concentration of narrative focus on something a little more important. Or atleast make the earth bound melodrama be important to the narrative developments on the ship, within the episode (ala Lost: when a character on lost is the focus, the flashbacks usually justify the course of action they choose on the Island.) There's none of that here.

Just feels like we're getting a peak at these people's homelives, not because it's important to the story, but just because they want to. Feels like no real purpose is being served with the trips back to earth(90% of them atleast)

[GL1]

I don't know if this has been talked about, but isn't the body switching utterly disturbing? I understand communication, but people are going about having VERY physical relationships in other people's bodies... that's... an invasion of personal space? Do these people get debriefed on what was done with their bodies while they were out, or is it just 'in service of our country?'

[C. Lee]

I don't know if this has been talking about, but isn't the body switching utterly disturbing? I understand communication, but people are going about having VERY physical relationships in other people's bodies... that's... an invasion of personal space? Do these people get debriefed on what was done with their bodies while they were out, or is it just 'in service of our country?'

I think they're being pretty cavalier about it too. I mean, how do you explain to your partner that you caught a STD because someone trapped on an alien spaceship a million light years away was using your body to screw thier girlfriend.

[GL1]

I think they're being pretty cavalier about it too. I mean, how do you explain to your partner that you caught a STD because someone trapped on an alien spaceship a million light years away was using your body to screw thier girlfriend.

That's what I'm saying! I mean, how would you feel if you had a baby with your wife and it came out looking Lou Diamond Phillips? But it's yours, right? Right?

[Superfreak]

That's what I'm saying! I mean, how would you feel if you had a baby with your wife and it came out looking Lou Diamond Phillips? But it's yours, right? Right?

nope, It's still LDPs child. There is no genetic information from you, but rather the body you borrowed, it's not your child... your mind allowed for the child to be produced.

[ChickenScratch]

My friend and I were discussing the ethics of the body switching the other day. It's a really tricky subject. A person could loose their job because you used their body and did a whole pile of coke. You could get an STD or even have some sort of sexual relation the person would not do, maybe the person's married or straight. Or it could be as simple as drinking alcohol and eating meat if the person is averse to that.

They are being a little too cavalier with other people's bodies.

[RetroNaz]

To be honest, I never really thought of it until you guys brought it up in here.

It's now going to annoy me each time there is a body swap!

[ChickenScratch]

Imagine that episode when Telfer for a moment was back in his own body during the swap and was having sex with that dude's wife. How crazy would it have been if Telfer came back and was having sex ... but it was with another dude!

Or how that chick went out to a concert and got drunk with another person's body! Personally, I'm a musician and I always have my earplugs with me because if my hearing goes, so does my work.

[TheCorpulent1]

It's the military, guys. I'm certain they have some kind of screening process and disclosure protocol so everyone who's involved in the body switching knows exactly what they're in for. I'm sure mistakes might get made now and then, but I would be incredibly shocked to learn that there's not some kind of protocol in place to minimize risks like the ones you're describing as much as possible. It'd be an astronomical oversight on the military's part.

Now, if we're just talking about how weird it would be, yeah, it's totally freaky. :)

Anyway, I loved the episode. A nice, quiet episode to deal with all the interpersonal and just-plain-personal stuff that would naturally affect people stuck on a ship in the middle of nowhere. The showrunners have been very upfront about the fact that the show would be very character-driven so, frankly, if these kinds of episodes seem pointless to you, I kind of have to wonder why you're watching the show at all. Just my two cents.

[C. Lee]

It's the military, guys. I'm certain they have some kind of screening process and disclosure protocol so everyone who's involved in the body switching knows exactly what they're in for. I'm sure mistakes might get made now and then, but I would be incredibly shocked to learn that there's not some kind of protocol in place to minimize risks like the ones you're describing as much as possible. It'd be an astronomical oversight on the military's part.

Like at the end of the episode where Stargate command thought one of the scientists was inhabiting the body but it was really Colonel Young coming down to kick Telford's butt?

[TheCorpulent1]

Like I said, mistakes can always be made. But at the very least, we can be reasonably sure that that airman Young commandeered in the scientist's stead doesn't have any STDs or anything like that.

[RetroNaz]

It's the military, guys. I'm certain they have some kind of screening process and disclosure protocol so everyone who's involved in the body switching knows exactly what they're in for. I'm sure mistakes might get made now and then, but I would be incredibly shocked to learn that there's not some kind of protocol in place to minimize risks like the ones you're describing as much as possible. It'd be an astronomical oversight on the military's part.

Now, if we're just talking about how weird it would be, yeah, it's totally freaky. :)

Anyway, I loved the episode. A nice, quiet episode to deal with all the interpersonal and just-plain-personal stuff that would naturally affect people stuck on a ship in the middle of nowhere. The showrunners have been very upfront about the fact that the show would be very character-driven so, frankly, if these kinds of episodes seem pointless to you, I kind of have to wonder why you're watching the show at all. Just my two cents.

Thank you!

[RetroNaz]

Like at the end of the episode where Stargate command thought one of the scientists was inhabiting the body but it was really Colonel Young coming down to kick Telford's butt?

I'm assuming Young will get into some kind of trouble for what he did.

Is it just me or did anyone else side more with Telford than Young?

I just don't find Young all that very likable.

[TheCorpulent1]

I find Young to be the most likable character on the show. Cheating on the missus is a big strike against him, but he's still a better man than Telford. We've seen Telford try to outright usurp Young's command when he's been on the Destiny already; it'd be naive to think he doesn't have some kind of ulterior motive in getting so close to Young's wife.

[C. Lee]

I find Young to be the most likable character on the show. Cheating on the missus is a big strike against him, but he's still a better man than Telford. We've seen Telford try to outright usurp Young's command when he's been on the Destiny already; it'd be naive to think he doesn't have some kind of ulterior motive in getting so close to Young's wife.

That's my feelings too. Telford had no reason to go to Young's wifes house except to try and seduce her. He even told her some dark secret (presumely that Young cheated on her) that he had no right or reaon to do except in an attempt to make her mad at Young.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh yeah, that was an outright lie as far as we know now. Telford must've been the one who put that thought into Young's wife's head, given that she and Young seemed to have moved past his infidelity and be happy again during Young's last visit.

Granted, they could always show a previously unrevealed flashback to Young banging someone on Destiny, which would force us to re-evaluate the Young/Mrs. Young/Telford dynamic.

[wiegeabo]

Like I said, mistakes can always be made. But at the very least, we can be reasonably sure that that airman Young commandeered in the scientist's stead doesn't have any STDs or anything like that.

Agreed.

Although the only thing that I'm wondering about is the soldier Ming Na was in. What if she wasn't gay? And if she was, it's not like she could tell her superiors because of Don't Ask Don't Tell (unless SGC/IOC made some kind of exception). And if she's straight, how would she feel about the way her body was used?

[TheCorpulent1]

No clue. But she must've signed some kind of agreement that noted personal visits with significant others would be part of the deal. I'm sure anyone could use their imagination and realize that sex is inevitably going to be an issue at some point, and the SGC personnel all must've agreed.

[RetroNaz]

I find Young to be the most likable character on the show. Cheating on the missus is a big strike against him, but he's still a better man than Telford. We've seen Telford try to outright usurp Young's command when he's been on the Destiny already; it'd be naive to think he doesn't have some kind of ulterior motive in getting so close to Young's wife.

I don't disagree with any of that, I just can't find hime likable. I don't know what it is.

Then again, I don't have any Chloe hate, so maybe I'm not normal. LOL.

[SsM]

I don't disagree with any of that, I just can't find hime likable. I don't know what it is.

Then again, I don't have any Chloe hate, so maybe I'm not normal. LOL.


I find Rush the most likable. I must be crazy..

[Eklypze]

I like Eli the most. Hes the most down to earth and real person on the show I think. Plus hes good comic relief hes like Hiro in season 1 of Heroes but better imo

[Superfreak]

It's the military, guys. I'm certain they have some kind of screening process and disclosure protocol so everyone who's involved in the body switching knows exactly what they're in for. I'm sure mistakes might get made now and then, but I would be incredibly shocked to learn that there's not some kind of protocol in place to minimize risks like the ones you're describing as much as possible. It'd be an astronomical oversight on the military's part.

Now, if we're just talking about how weird it would be, yeah, it's totally freaky. :)

Anyway, I loved the episode. A nice, quiet episode to deal with all the interpersonal and just-plain-personal stuff that would naturally affect people stuck on a ship in the middle of nowhere. The showrunners have been very upfront about the fact that the show would be very character-driven so, frankly, if these kinds of episodes seem pointless to you, I kind of have to wonder why you're watching the show at all. Just my two cents.


It just doesn't feel like the characters are driving anything at this point, is what I'm saying.



and I just know Chloe is going to sit in the chair

[RetroNaz]

Yep, I'm the same. Eli is the likable guy.

He calls a spade a spade, but doesn't take his issues out on anyone like most of the other characters do.

[TheCorpulent1]

It just doesn't feel like the characters are driving anything at this point, is what I'm saying.



and I just know Chloe is going to sit in the chair
They don't have to drive anything. The point of the episode (and the show itself, to some extent) is to build the characters and make them three-dimensional instead of archetypes. I think they're doing a decent job of that. The show's part soap opera, basically, and they're not ashamed of it.