Stargate SG-1/Atlantis/Universe

[wiegeabo]

And there's nothing for the characters to drive. They're at the mercy of Destiny, so until that changes (which I don't expect until the season finale, at the earliest), that won't change.

[Superfreak]

And there's nothing for the characters to drive. They're at the mercy of Destiny, so until that changes (which I don't expect until the season finale, at the earliest), that won't change.

I just wish the character stuff had something to do with the story, rather than being plain exposition of personal lives, which to me, have been irrelevant so far. I just feel like the Scott/Camille 'show' gave me a shot of their home lives: but what will that have to do with the rest of the show? If it's just character sketch, for character sketch's sake, then I won't be watching avidly for very long. The Young v. Telford thing is interesting, but the utter lack of professionalism doesn't impress me.

Hopefully, they'll stop using the stones soon, as they seem to be have some side effects now. Right now, I think they've been relying on them too much as a plot device. I feel like we've spent way too much time on earth for a 'stranded in space' show already(4/9 episodes is too much IMO).

[THANOSRULES]

This show is just plain horrible.

Ive seen every episode so far, and really wanted to like it.

I'm done.

[RetroNaz]

I think if you don't like what you see by this point, then you won't like it at all.

This is the show. It won't change anytime soon.

Like it or leave it (I'm not being horrible, just saying).

[Dr Lee]

i agree.... yes i much prefer Atlantis over SG:U... but i am enjoying what i'm watching.

guess you could label SG:U Marmite... you either love it or you hate it

[Dugath]

This show is still so-so for me. I really liked the Episode with them stuck on the planet/Time loop thing. But some episodes do get a tad boring. I do not mind some Character Development, and I assume that after a while it will be less character background building. I am getting tired of Young and his wife issues. I did not mind the Scott/Camille development. you can see what motivates them, why they would like to be on earth (or away from).

I liked this episode for the fact it made Camille more than a background character. I came into the show expecting her to be a main character for some reason, most episodes she did not even get one line of dialog so I was happy with this episode.Wonder if they are going to make that other Asian woman a more involved character.

[Superfreak]

Like it or leave it (I'm not being horrible, just saying).


you should never say that, even if you're not meaning to be horrible.

[Superfreak]

I liked this episode for the fact it made Camille more than a background character. I came into the show expecting her to be a main character for some reason, most episodes she did not even get one line of dialog so I was happy with this episode.Wonder if they are going to make that other Asian woman a more involved character.

see, for me there was nothing eligntening about Camille. There was nothing special, or different from the other time we saw people talk to their fams (Chloe's experience). The only thing was that it was with a girl... and they didn't even let us see the money shot kiss.


as before: I'm all for character drivin plot lines. But it doesn't seem like this character development is driving any kind of plot... and again, feels like we are having development for development's sake, rather than character development for the narrative's sake.

nothing in this show really feels connected.

[wiegeabo]

They showed them kiss.

[Superfreak]

They showed them kiss.

yes they did, but in a shot that made it look like they didn't want to show it at all. Through a glass door from a distance. Commit, or don't commit is what I'm saying. Give the money shot, or don't, but don't pussy foot around it.

[wiegeabo]

yes they did, but in a shot that made it look like they didn't want to show it at all. Through a glass door from a distance. Commit, or don't commit is what I'm saying. Give the money shot, or don't, but don't pussy foot around it.

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[Superfreak]

Um...

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yeah, I guess I missed that one, it was actually the final kiss that I was refering too. I dunno, I just didn't see any point to the whole visit, as far as the story is concerned.

I'd rather have gotten a 1/2 sci fi show, and then a 1/2 hour of lesbianism afterwards.

[Superfreak]

the reason I'm harping on the show so much, is that I see potential in the show... I just don't see it performing as well as it should be. It's full of potential... but it feels like they're already bogged down with the earth stuff, and not getting on with the story: if there even is one at this point.

[RetroNaz]

the reason I'm harping on the show so much, is that I see potential in the show... I just don't see it performing as well as it should be. It's full of potential... but it feels like they're already bogged down with the earth stuff, and not getting on with the story: if there even is one at this point.

I think that's part of the problem with some of the fans, they have built up the show to be something it isn't.

[Superfreak]

I think that's part of the problem with some of the fans, they have built up the show to be something it isn't.

I think whoever said it previously, put it best. SGU is kind of like a soap opera...in space.

right, but even soap operas have a story that they are following/creating. I really don't see any story here, rather just character development and interpersonal relationship... But yet, no actual story. Feels more like love boat. Where there is no ongoing story, just single servings that don't go anywhere.

[RetroNaz]

right, but even soap operas have a story that they are following/creating. I really don't see any story here, rather just character development and interpersonal relationship... But yet, no actual story. Feels more like love boat. Where there is no ongoing story, just single servings that don't go anywhere.

The singular main story is they are trying to get home.

[Superfreak]

The singular main story is they are trying to get home.

what I'm trying to say, is 90% of that episode contributed nothing to that story. It was used to flesh out two characters, great. But how does Scott being a deadbeat dad who doesn't know it, and Camille leaving her lesbian lover behind, have anything to do with getting home? (other than being mildly interesting character sketchs.)

[SsM]

I don't understand how Brad Wright was saying this could possibly end up being the greatest of all the StarGate shows.. What does he know that we don't? Or... Why is he such a damned liar?

[RetroNaz]

I wish he hadn't have said that.

Other than having a Stargate in the show and a couple of small cameos/references, it isn't like any other Stargate series.

And I guess that's part of the problem some people are having with the show.

I'm loving it, but don't hold any attachment to the prior series.

[SsM]

I wish he hadn't have said that.

Other than having a Stargate in the show and a couple of small cameos/references, it isn't like any other Stargate series.

And I guess that's part of the problem some people are having with the show.

I'm loving it, but don't hold any attachment to the prior series.



It's mediocre so far, the best episode being the previous(I haven't seen Friday's). I mean, it's amazing that the one episode they REALLY used the STARGATE the episode is really good.

[RetroNaz]

If you guys could change 3 things within SGU, what would they be?

[Dr Lee]

make it a bit faster....thats about it atm....

[SsM]

Make them use the STARGATE, get rid of all the BSGish elements... Bring an older, well known character full time.

[C. Lee]

what I'm trying to say, is 90% of that episode contributed nothing to that story. It was used to flesh out two characters, great. But how does Scott being a deadbeat dad who doesn't know it, and Camille leaving her lesbian lover behind, have anything to do with getting home? (other than being mildly interesting character sketchs.)

Scott is a father who didn't know it until now....that doesn't make him "deadbeat". A deadbeat is someone who knowingly avoids his debts and responsibilities.

I don't see why some think that everything the characters do must be directed only towards getting home. If the only thing any of them ever did or talked about was "I must get home, I must get home"...without knowing why they want to get home, then it would get monotonous. Rush doesn't want to go home...and seems to have nothing on Earth to draw him back.

[Gilpesh]

And I guess that's part of the problem some people are having with the show.
Yeah. Cause horrible worse than Soap Opera writing and bad acting from some of the characters could never be the problem people are having with the show. It's just because it's not like other Stargate shows. :whatever:

[wiegeabo]

Yeah. Cause horrible worse than Soap Opera writing and bad acting from some of the characters could never be the problem people are having with the show. It's just because it's not like other Stargate shows. :whatever:

Why are you still watching it?

[Gilpesh]

Why are you still watching it?
I'm not? :huh:

And I'm not allowed to say why I hate the show? :huh:

[Dr Lee]

Scott is a father who didn't know it until now....that doesn't make him "deadbeat". A deadbeat is someone who knowingly avoids his debts and responsibilities.

I don't see why some think that everything the characters do must be directed only towards getting home. If the only thing any of them ever did or talked about was "I must get home, I must get home"...without knowing why they want to get home, then it would get monotonous. Rush doesn't want to go home...and seems to have nothing on Earth to draw him back.

and he switched where his checks went to just before he left....

Exactly....

[SsM]

Yeah. Cause horrible worse than Soap Opera writing and bad acting from some of the characters could never be the problem people are having with the show. It's just because it's not like other Stargate shows. :whatever:


That too.. Robert Carlyle is way too good for this show.

[C. Lee]

That too.. Robert Carlyle is way too good for this show.

I like Carlyle the actor....but can't stand his character on the show. I'm surprised he hasn't lost a few teeth yet.

[Dr Lee]

thats why they went for him.... make someone unlikeable... likeable

[SsM]

I like Carlyle the actor....but can't stand his character on the show. I'm surprised he hasn't lost a few teeth yet.


I love his character, he was a little off in a couple of episodes but I think he's great.. He's probably my favorite character :/

[zanos]

see, for me there was nothing eligntening about Camille. There was nothing special, or different from the other time we saw people talk to their fams (Chloe's experience). The only thing was that it was with a girl... and they didn't even let us see the money shot kiss.


as before: I'm all for character drivin plot lines. But it doesn't seem like this character development is driving any kind of plot... and again, feels like we are having development for development's sake, rather than character development for the narrative's sake.

nothing in this show really feels connected.


The character development is the plot. The show isn't about aliens and space battles, etc. It's about exploring ppl's feelings.

[BlackLantern]

**** feelings....I want evil galaxy conquering aliens and people getting shot in the face....did feelings destroy the Ga'ould System Lords, did feelings storm the beach at Normandy, did feelings behead Marie Antoinette....**** no....angry people did

[C. Lee]

I love his character, he was a little off in a couple of episodes but I think he's great.. He's probably my favorite character :/

I'm used to self absorbed scientists you always think about the "science" in shows like this....but they have his character screwing with the lives of others in this. If he wants to stay on the ship...stay....but don't keep others from leaving.

[C. Lee]

**** feelings....I want evil galaxy conquering aliens and people getting shot in the face....did feelings destroy the Ga'ould System Lords, did feelings storm the beach at Normandy, did feelings behead Marie Antoinette....**** no....angry people did

The problem is...there are a finite number of people that you can shoot in the face. It's been seven episodes and they've already lost what...3 or 4 people?

[Dr Lee]

and we have a fair few angry people on board....

[Superfreak]

The character development is the plot. The show isn't about aliens and space battles, etc. It's about exploring ppl's feelings.

no duh, but there has to be something that brings it all together. Survival on the ship someone said is the plot that keeps everything together. But the events on earth should provide insight into what is happening on the ship. But neither seems related in anyway (what happening/happened on earth vs. what's happening on the ship).

Matt got caught up with his baby's momma, and Camille had a relaxing vacation. Great, it was mildly interesting: but what does it have to do with what's happening on the ship? Why did tptb show us this stuff? Of what import is it to the narrative? Is there something more to what they've shown us, or is it just a tangent side trip to show that people are sad because they had to leave their lives behind? Why are these insights into their earth lives important? Why these two characters? Simply put, what was the point of watching that stuff? How does it contribute? if it's merely background, and nothing more, then why an entire episode of it?

As for Young, his wife and Telford, that's a little more to the point, as it has to do with struggle over who will be in charge. In this situation, what happens on Earth, is affecting what happens on the ship, and visa versa. It is a part of the story, in the way that it affects both 'realms'.

[RetroNaz]

Yeah. Cause horrible worse than Soap Opera writing and bad acting from some of the characters could never be the problem people are having with the show. It's just because it's not like other Stargate shows. :whatever:

Sheesh, I'm just trying to find out why people don't enjoy the show so much.

I certainly wouldn't say the show is soap opera bad. No way. You're kidding yourself if you think that.

[RetroNaz]

and we have a fair few angry people on board....

On the show or in here? lol

[Dr Lee]

On the show or in here? lol

Both... though i meant on the ship.

we Sci-fi fans are a passionate bunch aren't we?:hehe:

[RetroNaz]

Both... though i meant on the ship.

we Sci-fi fans are a passionate bunch aren't we?:hehe:

LOL most certainly. Wouldn't want it any other way!

[Gilpesh]

Sheesh, I'm just trying to find out why people don't enjoy the show so much.
Um. You were just saying that they didn't like it because it was SG-1 or Atlantis... yeah, you were trying hard to find out why.

I certainly wouldn't say the show is soap opera bad. No way. You're kidding yourself if you think that.
I'm kidding myself? How many people are ****ing each other on the ship? Or who is not ****ing each other which is the problem for them? Who's ****ing who on earth?

It's soap opera bad.

[zanos]

**** feelings....I want evil galaxy conquering aliens and people getting shot in the face....did feelings destroy the Ga'ould System Lords, did feelings storm the beach at Normandy, did feelings behead Marie Antoinette....**** no....angry people did

I'm sure there will be at least a couple of episodes this season where it's pretty action packed.

no duh, but there has to be something that brings it all together. Survival on the ship someone said is the plot that keeps everything together. But the events on earth should provide insight into what is happening on the ship. But neither seems related in anyway (what happening/happened on earth vs. what's happening on the ship).

Matt got caught up with his baby's momma, and Camille had a relaxing vacation. Great, it was mildly interesting: but what does it have to do with what's happening on the ship? Why did tptb show us this stuff? Of what import is it to the narrative? Is there something more to what they've shown us, or is it just a tangent side trip to show that people are sad because they had to leave their lives behind? Why are these insights into their earth lives important? Why these two characters? Simply put, what was the point of watching that stuff? How does it contribute? if it's merely background, and nothing more, then why an entire episode of it?

As for Young, his wife and Telford, that's a little more to the point, as it has to do with struggle over who will be in charge. In this situation, what happens on Earth, is affecting what happens on the ship, and visa versa. It is a part of the story, in the way that it affects both 'realms'.

None of those things has anything at all to do with the ship. It would seem to me that the ship is just a plot device to explore the ppl trapped on it. Sort of like LOST. The trips back to Earth are probably similiar to what they do on that show as well. SGU has yet to introduce flashbacks into everyone's past, but I'm sure they'll make use of it eventually.

[RetroNaz]

Um. You were just saying that they didn't like it because it was SG-1 or Atlantis... yeah, you were trying hard to find out why.


I'm kidding myself? How many people are ****ing each other on the ship? Or who is not ****ing each other which is the problem for them? Who's ****ing who on earth?

It's soap opera bad.

I was suggesting that was part of the problem. Not THE problem. My further posts I was trying to establish why people were having issues with the show, even going as far as to get people to come up with a list of 3 things they would change on the show if they could. Keep the sarcasm out of it mate, it's not a contest to see who can be the wittiest poster.

Yes you can share your comments and views and dislikes for a show that you don't even apparently watch or like. But you don't have to be sarcastic about it at the expense of my views just to get your point across. Understood?

Yes, you are kidding yourself.

[Gilpesh]

I was saying that was part of the problem. Not THE problem.
It really isn't part of the problem. People are open to new things... but when the new things suck, it's not that it's new is part of it.

Keep the sarcasm out of it mate, it's not a contest to see how can be the wittiest poster.
I see. Cause it's not like you're going to call me a moron.

Yes you can share your comments and views and dislikes for a show that you don't even apparently watch or like.
Um. Have you not seen any of my posts in this thread? I've watched the show, wanted to like the show, and ended up not liking the show as it is horrible.

But you don't have to being a sarcastic moron about it just to get your point across. Understood?
I take back the bit about seeing your point about the 'wittest poster' comment. :whatever:

Yes, you are kidding yourself.
Wait, you just called me a moron because you can't see how SGU is just a bad soap opera... and I'm the one kidding myself?

[RetroNaz]

It really isn't part of the problem. People are open to new things... but when the new things suck, it's not that it's new is part of it.


I see. Cause it's not like you're going to call me a moron.


Um. Have you not seen any of my posts in this thread? I've watched the show, wanted to like the show, and ended up not liking the show as it is horrible.


I take back the bit about seeing your point about the 'wittest poster' comment. :whatever:


Wait, you just called me a moron because you can't see how SGU is just a bad soap opera... and I'm the one kidding myself?

Right, fine. You win. Very good.

I like SGU, you don't.

Moving along.

Edit: and damn you for quoting my post before I had edited it after seeing it was a bit harsh lol

[Gilpesh]

Moving along.
Wait. I thought you were trying to find out why people don't like it?

I just told you, it's a bad soap opera. They have a huge Ancient spaceship around them.... and it's all about how Eli isn't hooking up with Chloe who's hooking up with Scott who hooked up with James who is probably hooking up with someone else who definitely hooked up with the other guy who might be tapping that doctor who tapped Young who is tapping his wife in another guy's body who is now trying to tap the wife who's favorite movie star is KEVIN BACON! :awesome:

[RetroNaz]

Wait. I thought you were trying to find out why people don't like it?

I just told you, it's a bad soap opera. They have a huge Ancient spaceship around them.... and it's all about how Eli isn't hooking up with Chloe who's hooking up with Scott who hooked up with James who is probably hooking up with someone else who definitely hooked up with the other guy who might be tapping that doctor who tapped Young who is tapping his wife in another guy's body who is now trying to tap the wife who's favorite movie star is KEVIN BACON! :awesome:

Let me clarify...moving along from the back and fourth between you and I about the he said/she said stuff.

I hate reading it in other threads, and certainly don't want to be part of it.

I respect your views :)

[Flash Facts]

I have never watched any of the Stargate series but have been somewhat interested. So I figured I'd ask some questions before I decide if I should jump in.

How much of the other shows tie into SGU? Do I need to have seen them to be caught up? Does watching them add alot to this new series?

I heard SGU seems to be going for a similar feel to the Battlestar series, Do you find this to be true? How?

[RetroNaz]

Other than the "stargate" concept itself, a couple of cameos and a few small references, this is pretty much a standalone series thus far.

I'd definately check out the other shows though man, if you get the opportunity.

SGU = BSG + Lost + a pinch of soap opera elements (or what I like to think as them trying to suit it towards a more general audience) and that's pretty much the show.

We have a bit of a 50/50 crowd in here regarding who likes it, and who doesn't. It might pay to read through a few posts to gauge some reactions which may help you decide :)

[wiegeabo]

Because the posts in this thread are so polarized, I'd say don't read any of them. Go into it fresh, or at least with some of the other shows under your belt.

I bet this group could come up with 5 or so key episodes each season that would explain all you need to know about the SG mythology leading into SGU.

But SGU does a pretty good job explaining some SG mythos since one of the characters is unfamiliar with it as well.

[SsM]

I have never watched any of the Stargate series but have been somewhat interested. So I figured I'd ask some questions before I decide if I should jump in.

How much of the other shows tie into SGU? Do I need to have seen them to be caught up? Does watching them add alot to this new series?

I heard SGU seems to be going for a similar feel to the Battlestar series, Do you find this to be true? How?


All you need to know about SG1 stuff that ties in with SGU are those Communication stones so far.. besides the Stargate itself, oh, and that RDA got fat.

[RetroNaz]

All you need to know about SG1 stuff that ties in with SGU are those Communication stones so far.. besides the Stargate itself, oh, and that RDA got fat.

haha quoted for truth!

[RetroNaz]

Because the posts in this thread are so polarized, I'd say don't read any of them. Go into it fresh, or at least with some of the other shows under your belt.

I bet this group could come up with 5 or so key episodes each season that would explain all you need to know about the SG mythology leading into SGU.

But SGU does a pretty good job explaining some SG mythos since one of the characters is unfamiliar with it as well.

Hmm, excellent point. To Wiegeabo, you listen :)

[Superfreak]

Other than the "stargate" concept itself, a couple of cameos and a few small references, this is pretty much a standalone series thus far.

I'd definately check out the other shows though man, if you get the opportunity.

SGU = BSG + Lost + a pinch of soap opera elements (or what I like to think as them trying to suit it towards a more general audience) and that's pretty much the show.

We have a bit of a 50/50 crowd in here regarding who likes it, and who doesn't. It might pay to read through a few posts to gauge some reactions which may help you decide :)


There is NO BSG or LOST in SGU. Certainly not in the level of quality that those shows delivered.

and A PINCH????? come on now

[BlackLantern]

don't you sully the good name of BSG by putting it in with SGU, naz

[Philly Phanboy]

Yeah SGU is closer to a sci fi take on Big Brother than BSG.

Its boring, sexist, voyeuristic pap where not much happens and people talk about their emotions and failed relationships a lot...oh yeah and it takes place on a spaceship.

[wiegeabo]

Hmm, excellent point. To Wiegeabo, you listen :)

Always good advice. :D

[Superfreak]

Yeah SGU is closer to a sci fi take on Big Brother than BSG.



ain't that the truth

[RetroNaz]

LOL as I said before, we are a 50/50 bunch on who likes it and who doesn't.

[RetroNaz]

There is NO BSG or LOST in SGU. Certainly not in the level of quality that those shows delivered.

and A PINCH????? come on now

BSG in the way they shoot the episodes with that free camera/almost documentary like feel. The close ups on faces, you know that sort of thing.

Lost in the way that we have a story about people trapped on a ship (or island) yet the story is more about the people and their lives than it is the actual situation.

So yes mate, there is a bit of a parallel.

Suddenly a show has a situation where they can't see their loved ones or are starting to feel some sexual tension and suddenly it's a full on soap opera because they want to relieve the tension? My god, either you people don't live in the real world...or...or...I'll refrain from commenting any further so I don't appear to be taking this too far.

I start to wonder why you people come in here ruining the mood by always being so negative and disruptive to people who genuinely want to enjoy and talk about the show.

It's fair enough to critique and talk about what doesn't work, but some of you are starting to borderline troll. Go watch your reruns of BSG or Lost and leave the people in here that are genuinely interested in discussing this show be! (This isn't a direct go at you Superfreak, I'm just quoting your post to address your points).

[SsM]

BSG in the way they shoot the episodes with that free camera/almost documentary like feel. The close ups on faces, you know that sort of thing.

Lost in the way that we have a story about people trapped on a ship (or island) yet the story is more about the people and their lives than it is the actual situation.

So yes mate, there is a bit of a parallel.

Suddenly a show has a situation where they can't see their loved ones or are starting to feel some sexual tension and suddenly it's a full on soap opera because they want to relieve the tension? My god, either you people don't live in the real world...or...or...I'll refrain from commenting any further so I don't appear to be taking this too far.

I start to wonder why you people come in here ruining the mood by always being so negative and disruptive to people who genuinely want to enjoy and talk about the show.

It's fair enough to critique and talk about what doesn't work, but some of you are starting to borderline troll. Go watch your reruns of BSG or Lost and leave the people in here that are genuinely interested in discussing this show be! (This isn't a direct go at you Superfreak, I'm just quoting your post to address your points).

To be fair, the thread is for the entire Stargate franchise, not just SGU.

[RetroNaz]

Fair call SsM. I'm sorry if I offend fans of the other series...

[Gilpesh]

So yes mate, there is a bit of a parallel.
Except where BSG and LOST are good... and SGU isn't. It's like BSG and LOST are the TDKR and Watchmen to SGU's crappy 90's comic book.

Suddenly a show has a situation where they can't see their loved ones or are starting to feel some sexual tension and suddenly it's a full on soap opera because they want to relieve the tension? My god, either you people don't live in the real world...or...or...I'll refrain from commenting any further so I don't appear to be taking this too far.
Oh great... you're already on to the number two excuse for this show, "nerds are afraid of sex"? Please stop.

If it was well written, the character drama (aka sex sex sex) wouldn't bother people.

I start to wonder why you people come in here ruining the mood by always being so negative and disruptive to people who genuinely want to enjoy and talk about the show.
Yes. Because people who say bad things about the show... weren't really wanting it to be good. :whatever: :doh:

Go watch your reruns of BSG or Lost and leave the people in here that are genuinely interested in discussing this show be!
Crap. You're already on number three.... "If you don't have anything good to say, shut the **** up." You're fast.

[RetroNaz]

Except where BSG and LOST are good... and SGU isn't. It's like BSG and LOST are the TDKR and Watchmen to SGU's crappy 90's comic book.


Oh great... you're already on to the number two excuse for this show, "nerds are afraid of sex"? Please stop.

If it was well written, the character drama (aka sex sex sex) wouldn't bother people.


Yes. Because people who say bad things about the show... weren't really wanting it to be good. :whatever: :doh:


Crap. You're already on number three.... "If you don't have anything good to say, shut the **** up." You're fast.

Cheers for proving my points. You don't disappoint.

You're funny.

[Gilpesh]

Cheers for proving my points. You don't disappoint.

You're funny.
I refrained from calling you a troll at first. But now I'm sure of it. So...


Stop trolling.

[RetroNaz]

Sorry for my troll posts guys.

Gilpesh is right.

I was wrong to want to talk about the show without being harassed by your constant bullying posts. You get me on the defensive each and everytime by picking apart what I have to say and try and turn it around back on me?

Goodness me, what did I do to you to get me in your target crosshairs? Seriously...?

[Superfreak]

BSG in the way they shoot the episodes with that free camera/almost documentary like feel. The close ups on faces, you know that sort of thing.

Lost in the way that we have a story about people trapped on a ship (or island) yet the story is more about the people and their lives than it is the actual situation.

So yes mate, there is a bit of a parallel.



no worries

yes, the DP is definately from the BSG production, or atleast learned a lot from it... but other than that, don't compare BSG to this show... it's got nothing on BSG

on Lost: I'm sorry to say this retro, but I whole heartedly disagree. Lost uses it's 'flashes of past lives' to shed light on why characters on the island are making the decisions that they are (within the episode). This element, which is key to the success of Lost and is utterly absent in SGU. One can see that they are trying to use the concept, but one can also see that they are failing miserably at it. Again: the useless flashes of Camille and Scott's earth lives, they have no purpose, other than exposition as I said before. While in Lost, the flashes show us why people are behaving the way they are on the island.

Simply put: the character development (the trips to earth) have no connection to the events on the ship (Young and Telford being the only exception so far) other than it is the same characters.


As for what Gil said about people complaining because they actually want the show to be good: that is pure truth. It's subjective, but what isn't. I know that I'm not all that impressed with the show, but I want it to be good: Criticism is the only way that anything in this world improves. I complained about Smallville for 6 years... and guess what, it finally did improve,,, to the point of being better than this show (had there been no critique of the show, they still be shovelling the same garbage down the audiences throat).

[RetroNaz]

no worries

yes, the DP is definately from the BSG production, or atleast learned a lot form it... but other than that, don't compare BSG to this show... it's got nothing on BSG

on Lost: I'm sorry to say this retro, but I whole heartedly disagree. Lost uses it's 'flashes of past lives' to shed light on why characters on the island are making the decisions that they are (within the episode). This element, which is key to the success of Lost is utterly absent in SGU. One can see that they are trying to use the concept, but one can also see that they are failing miserably at it. Again: the useless flashes of Camille and Scott's earth lives, they have no purpose, other than exposition as I said before. While in Lost, the flashes show us why people are behaving the way they are on the island.

Simply put: the character development (the trips to earth) have no connection to the events on the ship (Young and Telford being the only exception so far) other than it is the same characters.


As for what Gil said about people complaining because they actually want the show to be good: that is pure truth. It's subjective, but what isn't. I know that I'm not all that impressed with the show, but I want it to be good: Criticism is the only way that anything in this world improves. I complained about Smallville for 6 years... and guess what, it finally did improve,,, to the point of being better than this show (had there been no critique of the show, they still be shovelling the same garbage down the audiences throat).

Hmm I see what you mean. I wasn't being specific enough in my comparisons...I never meant it to be regarding content. More so, in the story structure and how it actually looks. But yes, it's not cool to stand this up next to great shows like BSG and Lost - that wasn't my intention.

I can see where Gil is coming from, I can. He's just addressing his last few posts more like he is having a go at me rather than the show.

[Superfreak]

Hmm I see what you mean. I wasn't being specific enough in my comparisons...I never meant it to be regarding content. More so, in the story structure and how it actually looks. But yes, it's not cool to stand this up next to great shows like BSG and Lost - that wasn't my intention.

I can see where Gil is coming from, I can. He's just addressing his last few posts more like he is having a go at me rather than the show.

the story structure is definately like Lost, nothing like BSG. But as I said, they've failed at using the 'Lost' structure. I count 8 trips back to earth and as I pointed out, only the Young/Telford trips have had anything to do with 'the island'. The others were just melodrama, with no purpose other than melodrama.

defend the show all you want, it's certainly your perogative. But don't expect me to agree, until the show proves it's worth, which IMO, it is far from doing, and for me, it's actually moving away from proving its worth.

faith in a show is earned... and the SG crew still have to make up for SGA, which I found to be a substandard SG1, with a higher budget.






one thing that I really didn't like: was the changing of the pace from the premier episode, to the regular single servings. The opening epi was intense...it was a great episode. But as soon as they turned to the character development, the show went downhill fast.

[RetroNaz]

the story structure is definately like Lost, nothing like BSG. But as I said, they've failed at using the 'Lost' structure. I count 8 trips back to earth and as I pointed out, only the Young/Telford trips have had anything to do with 'the island'. The others were just melodrama, with no purpose other than melodrama.

defend the show all you want, it's certainly your perogative. But don't expect me to agree, until the show proves it's worth, which IMO, it is far from doing, and for me, it's actually moving away from proving its worth.

faith in a show is earned... and the SG crew still have to make up for SGA, which I found to be a substandard SG1, with a higher budget.






one thing that I really didn't like: was the changing of the pace from the premier episode, to the regular single servings. The opening epi was intense...it was a great episode. But as soon as they turned to the character development, the show went downhill fast.

That's cool man.

I agree with you on this, faith in a show is earned.

[Matt]

Ladies and gentlemen, everyone is entitled to their opinion without attack whether they like or dislike the show. Please keep this civil. Thank you.

[Flash Facts]

Thank you all for your input.

[zanos]

I don't know why all the praise for BSG; that show was utter garbage. It was so bad you could literally puke from watching it.

[Gold Samurai]

and that RDA got fat.

and how

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1850/27874035.jpg

Time to bring him back to the Stargate to shape him up.

[Dr Lee]

he's slimmed down since his SG:U appearance (though not that much in the face last time i saw). He's had some surgery on his feet or knees recently that had him laid up for a while....

[aaron]

ive watched six episodes so far, and with a history of no stargate but plenty of battlestar i also agree its completely shot in the same tone and color as battlestar was. but not so good in the actual content,although i'm completely compelled with whats happening so far

rush is obviously awesome- on the same level as baltar?
eli is fun and i kinda hate scott and the senators daughter, but i think greer is my favorite character

[aaron]

actually i kinda wanna raise that point (it hasnt been already i hope) but how does everyone think rush compares to baltar?

[C. Lee]

actually i kinda wanna raise that point (it hasnt been already i hope) but how does everyone think rush compares to baltar?

Personally, I like Baltar a heck of a lot more. At his most dispicaple, Baltar was still fun to watch. To me, Rush just needs to be slapped.

[RetroNaz]

actually i kinda wanna raise that point (it hasnt been already i hope) but how does everyone think rush compares to baltar?

You'll want to be careful raising too many comparisons between SGU and BSG :hehe:

I agree with Lee, Baltar is the better of the two characters. But we still have much to learn about Rush which could potenitally make him far more compelling than he currently is.

[SsM]

Dp.

[SsM]

So, I'm about to finish Season 9 of SG1 and it's one of my favorites by far. I was surprised by how MUCH I have enjoyed the season in RDA's absence, maybe I was just getting tired of The Goa'uld?

[Sam Fisher]

SGU is coming to Blu-Ray!{way overpriced for only 9 episodes though}.

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Stargate-Universe-First-Release-Scheduled/13021

[Superfreak]

actually i kinda wanna raise that point (it hasnt been already i hope) but how does everyone think rush compares to baltar?

nothing alike... other than being the all knowing scientists on their respective shows.

[Dr Lee]

SGU is coming to Blu-Ray!{way overpriced for only 9 episodes though}.

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Stargate-Universe-First-Release-Scheduled/13021

I don't bother with these half season sets... no point other than to srew a bit more £££ out of you... i'll be waiting for the whole season.

But i liek the fact trhey're looking at Blu Ray now :D

[aaron]

8 eps done now, i was hoping to see a huge version of the creatures, but since the next ep(which im about to watch) must conclude it i'm guessing there is still hope

[aaron]

i dont get how the next episode touched on anything- i guess what scott did at the end fixed things?

[Superfreak]

i dont get how the next episode touched on anything- i guess what scott did at the end fixed things?

I think a lot of us were awaiting a conclusion to that episode... nope, that was it. I wasn't impressed

[RetroNaz]

I'm positive it had a "to be continued" at the end of it?

[Dark Helmet]

I think a lot of us were awaiting a conclusion to that episode... nope, that was it. I wasn't impressed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vte7LMnYV10

[wiegeabo]

I thought the end of the episode was just fine. There was no need to show us another loop in the timeline. Just the two that was needed to solve the mystery of the gate and the disease.

[aaron]

i just wanted to see a huge ass monster

[wiegeabo]

Well, we got to see the team killed by big chest digging-things. Twice. :p

[aaron]

except the senators daughter isnt really dead:(

[The Squirrel]

Man, we went from such an awesome episode with "Time"... to whatever that last episode was suppose to be. :csad:

This show needs to pick up.

[aaron]

i have hope,if purely because of robert carlyle

[Sam Fisher]

Yeah, last episode was weak.

[aaron]

does anyone else kinda really dislike scott? seriously..the only moment where i havent hated him so far is when he told that chick he has a kid with that hed have his monthly pay forwarded to her address. plus he puts eli down- most noteworthy being the slowing us down thing in the desert, and i think eli is definitely more important than scott.

[wiegeabo]

Scott doesn't bother me. I'm not even sure how he's always putting Eli down. Usually it's Eli's fault because he actually is slowing them down, or goofing off, or something. But that's not putting him down. That's telling him to get his **** together because they're trying to do something important.

The only characters I really dislike are Telford, Camile, and the IOA guy. But since they're the 'bad guys', that's ok. :p

[aaron]

camile is the lesbian right? and telford is um, lou diamond philips and the ioa guy, err who is he. haha

[Dr Lee]

The IOA guy is Morris from 24...

not too keen on Telford.... though thats just cause the character is a bastard who deserved the beat down Young gave him.... Wray is a politician... so i don't like her. LOL

Like Eli, Rush, TJ and Greer..... rest are various amounts of 'Meh' for me

[C. Lee]

does anyone else kinda really dislike scott? seriously..the only moment where i havent hated him so far is when he told that chick he has a kid with that hed have his monthly pay forwarded to her address. plus he puts eli down- most noteworthy being the slowing us down thing in the desert, and i think eli is definitely more important than scott.

At the moment I don't really dislike Scott....just not too fond of him. He thinks with his little head too much. That can get a fella killed if he doesn't watch out.

[aaron]

oh and i like the big boobed soldier..for reasons just explained

[RetroNaz]

oh and i like the big boobed soldier..for reasons just explained

:up:

[Superfreak]

:up:

certainly the only part of the show that seems to have recieved universal praise.

[C. Lee]

And to think some of us try to discuss the writing, direction, acting, cinematography, moral questions, and interpersonal emotional dynamics of the show......

[SsM]

And to think some of us try to discuss the writing, direction, acting, cinematography, moral questions, and interpersonal emotional dynamics of the show......


Did you forget where we were? :P

[C. Lee]

Did you forget where we were? :P

Apparently.

[The Squirrel]

And to think some of us try to discuss the writing, direction, acting, cinematography, moral questions, and interpersonal emotional dynamics of the show......

Well the writing certainly was lacking in the last episode.

[RetroNaz]

certainly the only part of the show that seems to have recieved universal praise.

boobies = universal praise lol

[TheCorpulent1]

There was no episode last Friday, right? I didn't have Sci Fi where I was staying for Thanksgiving, but I figure they probably had some kind of marathon of awful movies or a random old series like they always do. No SGU episode appeared on my Hulu queue on Saturday, either.

[Sam Fisher]

Nope, "Life" was the fall finale. SGU won't return untill 2010{March I think}.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, right, I forgot Sci Fi does that.

[Superfreak]

Nope, "Life" was the fall finale. SGU won't return untill 2010{March I think}.

that was a finale?

[Dr Lee]

From what i know of the next episode... it felt lik eit could have been the mid-season finale

[wiegeabo]

The fall finale is this Friday.

There's apparently a murderer on Destiny.

[TheCorpulent1]

That sounds a lot more finale-worthy than psych evals and Earth stuff.

[wiegeabo]

That sounds a lot more finale-worthy than psych evals and Earth stuff.

Sounds like no one watched the teaser after the last episode when they said 'In two weeks, on the Stargate Universe fall finale..." :p

They took Thanksgiving off. Not much point in airing a finale during it.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't get teasers on Hulu. :o

[GhostPoet]

The fall finale is this Friday.

There's apparently a murderer on Destiny.

That's it? That's the finale? Weak. :/

[wiegeabo]

I don't get teasers on Hulu. :o

So checking tv.com is out of the question? :)

[wiegeabo]

That's it? That's the finale? Weak. :/

I think I'll wait to watch it before passing judgement.

http://www.syfy.com/universe/index.php

The trailer for Friday is on their syfy page.

[TheCorpulent1]

So checking tv.com is out of the question? :)
What for? I'll see the episode eventually. I was never a huge fan of teasers in the first place. They tend to give away too much of the episodes a lot of the time.

[wiegeabo]

What for? I'll see the episode eventually. I was never a huge fan of teasers in the first place. They tend to give away too much of the episodes a lot of the time.

Just to see if that last episode had been the fall finale or not. They usually list upcoming episodes with air dates.

[TheCorpulent1]

I was just gonna take my peers' word for it in here. Silly me, trusting you untrustworthy dolts! :argh:

[Superfreak]

Sounds like no one watched the teaser after the last episode when they said 'In two weeks, on the Stargate Universe fall finale..." :p

They took Thanksgiving off. Not much point in airing a finale during it.

we get them in Canada, but they are part of the Hyperspace weekly show that airs right after. Anyone in Canada that watches Space? How much do you hate the new host of Hypaspace? A.J. Fry... possibly the worst tv host in sci fi history: he makes me not proud to like my sci fi. He's such a loser. Atleast Kim Poirier had boobs.

[TheCorpulent1]

Usually sci fi shows are good about having hot female hosts. If nothing else, they know how to cater to their audience.

[Superfreak]

Usually sci fi shows are good about having hot female hosts. If nothing else, they know how to cater to their audience.

they did, then they replaced her with this skinny emo dude, who is obsessed with Astroboy. I hate him, makes me ashamed to be a nerd (as far as TV preference is concerned)

[TheCorpulent1]

:facepalm:

[aaron]

yeah i dont like teasers either, like someone said,they give away too much

[Dr Lee]

Syfy were known to be quite bad with spoilers and Stargate teasers..... Carson's Return in SG:A was ruined by a Teaser exclaiming how we'd not believe the last five minutes of the episode

[wiegeabo]

For some reason, SGU is one of the only shows I watch the teasers for. I don't know why. I usually try to remember to change the channel with other shows.

[RetroNaz]

Its not perfect by a long shot, but I missed SG last week...

[aaron]

me too:(

[Dr Lee]

There was no SG:U last week... cuz of Thanksgiving

[aaron]

yep we know

[Dr Lee]

D'oh!...miss-read the post...

[aaron]

haha its cool dude, whats the av from?

dumb question prolly

[Dr Lee]

There was a short Live action short brought out beofre Halo : ODST was released.

Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRMUYpH7bQk)

The shot form my Avi comes from near the end...

[aaron]

ohh the thing that the district 9 guy did?

[Dr Lee]

no, what he did was for Halo 3...the one before this one.

[aaron]

well that trailer you linked me to looks amazing

[Superfreak]

so, finally, a good solid episode. Really enjoyed that one. And a good cliffhanger.

I just hope that the general formula of this show isn't as shown in the first part of this season. I.E. great premiers and 'finales' with mindless filler in the middle.

think Greer is my favorite character now... I hated him to start with, but he's turning out to be relatively cool.

[X-Ray]

so, finally, a good solid episode. Really enjoyed that one. And a good cliffhanger.

I just hope that the general formula of this show isn't as shown in the first part of this season. I.E. great premiers and 'finales' with mindless filler in the middle.

think Greer is my favorite character now... I hated him to start with, but he's turning out to be relatively cool.

Greer kicks ass. Loved the scene where he was threatening to march in that trial and put it to an end.

Wray's starting to piss me off. :cmad:

[RetroNaz]

Yep, Greer is finally starting to be a bit more likable.

All of the characters are starting to come into their own...even Chloe served a purpose lol.

Looking forward to the next episode!

[LadyVader]

Young's irrational behaviour at the end kind of ruined the episode for me. In the end he became the very thing he was accused of being during the trial. He sure has a temper on him to. This is the second time we've seen him beat the crap out of somebody.

[wiegeabo]

I don't know if I'd call it a temper beating up the man trying to break up your marriage (of course, we don't actually know if that's what Telford is doing, but they've made that the obvious conclusion so far) and beating up the guy who tried to frame you for murder.

I don't think leaving Rush behind was irrational at all. He can't keep Rush around, the man has made it clear he's going to do whatever he can to disrupt Young's command. And he's probably the most disruptive and demoralizing member of the crew.

Heck, Rush should respect the decision. Instead of locking him up and wasting resources on him, Young eliminated the problem. It's a logical solution. ;)

[LadyVader]

Young is the one who cheated first so if the marriage is broken up, he's the one to blame. Even if Telford does have bad intentions, that doesn't make it ok to use somebody else's body to go and beat on the guy, if you're the one who ****ed up in the first place. Besides, you ARE living on the ship with the woman you cheated on your wife with AND have erotic dreams about her. So that makes Young a bit of a hypocrite.

Even more so in this episode where in the beginning he is charged with a murder he didn't comit, true, and claims that he wants everything to go by the book. Because even in space, in extraordinary situations, people should not abandon their principles. But then by the end of the episode he makes the decision to act as an executioner, by eliminating and undesirable element. That is the very same crime he was accused of in the beginning. If it wasn't ok in the beginning and he renounced his leadership because of an accusation alone, than how does it make it ok when he DOES do it to Rush?

If SGU is half the gritty realistic drama it claims to be than Young should lose all faith the crew have in him. it wouldn't be hard for Eli to figure out what happened, since he KNOWS somebody framed Young and then Rush gets mysteriously left behind.

Unfortunately even if Eli comes clean to the crew, Young still will undoubtedly have the support of Greer, Scott and the rest of the military.

Leaving Rush behind is at the same time morally reprehensibile AND an overall dumb idea because he is still the smartest guy on the ship.

[Dugath]

Young is the one who cheated first so if the marriage is broken up, he's the one to blame. Even if Telford does have bad intentions, that doesn't make it ok to use somebody else's body to go and beat on the guy, if you're the one who ****ed up in the first place. Besides, you ARE living on the ship with the woman you cheated on your wife with AND have erotic dreams about her. So that makes Young a bit of a hypocrite.


The point here was Telford told Young's wife that he was Cheating again, which he is not. No one will let someone get away with telling that sort of lie when you are trying to make things work with your Wife. Dreams do not mean anything, everyone has dreams, if you hold people responsible for there dreams everyone would be in trouble ;)

Even more so in this episode where in the beginning he is charged with a murder he didn't comit, true, and claims that he wants everything to go by the book. Because even in space, in extraordinary situations, people should not abandon their principles. But then by the end of the episode he makes the decision to act as an executioner, by eliminating and undesirable element. That is the very same crime he was accused of in the beginning. If it wasn't ok in the beginning and he renounced his leadership because of an accusation alone, than how does it make it ok when he DOES do it to Rush?

Young wanted everything to go by the book because if he did not almost everyone on the ship would have doubts about him and probably think he did do it. You can not be in command and have respect and expect people to follow your orders if they do not trust you and think you are a murderer.

What he did with Rush on the Planet is a whole separate issue. He did not murder him, just exiled him. In fact he probably wasn't going to leave him there until Rush flapped his mouth

Two entirely separate issues.

If SGU is half the gritty realistic drama it claims to be than Young should lose all faith the crew have in him. it wouldn't be hard for Eli to figure out what happened, since he KNOWS somebody framed Young and then Rush gets mysteriously left behind.

It was stated in the last scene when Young asked Eli for the copy and to delete the original that Eli saw the entire footage of Rush framing Young. So its pretty obvious the Eli probably knows Rush did not have an "accident"

Unfortunately even if Eli comes clean to the crew, Young still will undoubtedly have the support of Greer, Scott and the rest of the military.

Leaving Rush behind is at the same time morally reprehensibile AND an overall dumb idea because he is still the smartest guy on the ship.

And has proven and well as stated he would do everything to undermine Young's authority.


...

[LadyVader]

First let me say that I don't think anybody is right or wrong in this. What happened happened and I am simply arguing why I think that Young's decision is wrong. Obviously everybody is entitled to their opinion.

The point here was Telford told Young's wife that he was Cheating again, which he is not. No one will let someone get away with telling that sort of lie when you are trying to make things work with your Wife. Dreams do not mean anything, everyone has dreams, if you hold people responsible for there dreams everyone would be in trouble

Young's primary focus should be what happens on the ship, not on Earth. There is nothing he can do about Earth and his wife until he gets back to her and then he's free to work on his relationship all he wants. And while dreams do not hold you accountable, they do point out that he is still in fact attracted to TJ.

Young wanted everything to go by the book because if he did not almost everyone on the ship would have doubts about him and probably think he did do it. You can not be in command and have respect and expect people to follow your orders if they do not trust you and think you are a murderer.

What he did with Rush on the Planet is a whole separate issue. He did not murder him, just exiled him. In fact he probably wasn't going to leave him there until Rush flapped his mouth

Two entirely separate issues.

I don't regard them as being entirely different. Fact is that now the crew are in the position to find that he is in fact capable of murder, if you prove disloyal to him. Exiled-shmexiled. Even if it was just an exile
1. He is not in the position to make that decision by himself.
2. When you exile somebody and leave him to chance so to speak, you don't abandon him on a planet with absolutely no resources. That's what Young did. If you abandon a person on a planet with no means of surviving you are in fact, killing him. Let's not argue over semantics here. Yes, Rush will survive because he's a main character and probably will work out how to use the ship, but there's no doubt in my mind that Young left him there fully aware that he's condemning him.

I don't believe Young went down to the planet with the intent of leaving Rush there. I agree that he probably made that decision after Rush said that the two of them "will never be done". But that doesn't excuse the decision. It simply points out even more to me that Young's temper undermines his faculties and therefore makes him unfit for command.

And has proven and well as stated he would do everything to undermine Young's authority.

Fact is that Young is not an authority in science matters. To survive on Destiny you don't just need balls to make tough decisions. You need to understand the technology in order to use it for your benefit, and nobody is more suited for that than Rush. Let's not forget that Young came to Rush when the IOA and SGC were trying to use solar energy to power up the Stargate. It is through Rush's expertise that Young got them to back off. We don't know if the SGC's plan was going to be a succes or end with a disaster, but Young wasn't ready to take that chance and he NEEDED Rush.

Those kind of situations are going to arise again and again, and Young just dumped his best resource on that planet, thereby sabotaging everybody's chances to survive and get home.

[SsM]

The finale wasn't too bad.. I like it when they go onto other planets...

[carrrnuttt]

For anyone doubting Young's actions in regards to Rush, how long has Rush been pestering Young to allow him to sit someone down on the Ancient's chair?

It's not like Young was stopping Rush HIMSELF from sitting down, he just didn't want Rush hurting anyone else on that chair that, although Rush claimed to be "safe," he wouldn't risk sitting on himself.

For the sake of knowing what would happen when someone sits in the chair, Rush framed Young for murder, and manipulated someone into putting himself into a coma. Clearly, people aren't anything but tools for Rush to use for whatever scientific whim he happens to have. All that, combined with the fact that Rush is the reason that they're stuck on the Destiny, I'm suprised that Young didn't just shoot Rush, execution style.

He wasn't trying to punish Rush. He was trying to keep Rush from hurting the rest of his people without having to kill him.





Anyhow, who else thinks that Rush will have that alien ship flying eventually? I can see Rush becoming the Destiny crew's greatest enemy. If the stranded ship has FTL capabilities and a good star/galaxy map, or if he eventually finds one that has these, I can see Rush knowing the pattern Destiny is taking, and he'll lay in wait on planet that Destiny will head to, soon enough.

[Dr Lee]

I'm not too sure he will...there was a commetn by RC that makes me think the Aliens will pick him up first,,,,,, and i suspect that they are the same ones that appeared at the end of Air III

[LadyVader]

For anyone doubting Young's actions in regards to Rush, how long has Rush been pestering Young to allow him to sit someone down on the Ancient's chair?

It's not like Young was stopping Rush HIMSELF from sitting down, he just didn't want Rush hurting anyone else on that chair that, although Rush claimed to be "safe," he wouldn't risk sitting on himself.

For the sake of knowing what would happen when someone sits in the chair, Rush framed Young for murder, and manipulated someone into putting himself into a coma. Clearly, people aren't anything but tools for Rush to use for whatever scientific whim he happens to have. All that, combined with the fact that Rush is the reason that they're stuck on the Destiny, I'm suprised that Young didn't just shoot Rush, execution style.

He wasn't trying to punish Rush. He was trying to keep Rush from hurting the rest of his people without having to kill him.


Even if that was all true (we dont know if that particular scientist didn't just want to play the hero or if Rush somehow got to him) that doesn't change the fact that a. Rush is the best shot they have to understand Destiny's technology and b. he's still a human being and he still has rights.

[wiegeabo]

Now this is the type of argument Stargate deserves.

Not the "this show sucks" "this show rocks" back and forth that goes nowhere.

Rather, is the morally questionable actions of one of the characters right or wrong.

[RetroNaz]

Yeah, finally some good story we can all chew on.

[Superfreak]

they're both *****. That's what I say. Sure Rush manipulated the situation, but he didn't force 'Mr. Annoying' into the chair. Young on the other hand, stranded someone on a planet in a distant part of the universe, on purpose this time. That is just plain wrong, certainly worse than framing someone for murder.

I'm not impressed with these SG-Personel. They're quite unprofessional. Young is mental, Rush in mental, Telford is mental, Ray is impotent. I dunno, the leadership just seems a little weak... this episode really showed that. The underlings are a far more capable bunch of people.

Now here's a thought... what if all Rush has to do is dial the Destiny back (he must have some idea of the schedule)? He could step through the gate in the next episode, and go all Begby on Young

[RetroNaz]

they're both *****. That's what I say. Sure Rush manipulated the situation, but he didn't force 'Mr. Annoying' into the chair. Young on the other hand, stranded someone on a planet in a distant part of the universe, on purpose this time. That is just plain wrong, certainly worse than framing someone for murder.

I'm not impressed with these SG-Personel. They're quite unprofessional. Young is mental, Rush in mental, Telford is mental, Ray is impotent. I dunno, the leadership just seems a little weak... this episode really showed that. The underlings are a far more capable bunch of people.

Yeah, I agree :up:

[wiegeabo]

But that's the point.

Telford, as much of an ass as he seems to be, is supposed to be in command. Young was resigning and didn't want command, but now he has no choice.

Greer, to be kind, is eccentric. Someone that unstable probably would be discharged.

Scott is young and inexperienced.

TJ seems the most stable, but she was also resigning, and now she's in over her head as medical officer.

The whole series is based on people dealing with situations they were never supposed to be in, and the mistakes they make dealing with it.

[Eklypze]

I would absolutely LOVE to see Rush go all Begby on Young

[RetroNaz]

Has it been established yet what Greer did to get Telford all worked up?

[Dr Lee]

He decked him.... why, not sure yet....

[RetroNaz]

lol Telford seems to be a bit of the whipping boy!

[Paradox1]

Leaving him on that planet was wrong man that is so messed up. Sure Rush was a duche bag who framed him for murder but he's a douche bag you need and you just don't strand people on what seems to be a deserted planet.

[wiegeabo]

Maybe we're reading too much into it. There's a very practical reason why Young left Rush behind.

There was no way he could have carried Rush and gotten back to the Stargate in time.

I mean, it closed about two seconds behind him. So, rather than both of them being stuck there, he left Rush behind. I mean, he didn't even take any equipment back with him. Although he may have left the equipment and weapons behind for Rush because a part of him felt guilty. Although I'm don't doubt that another part of him was relieved he wouldn't have to look over his shoulder every second Rush was on board, and wouldn't need to fight him over every decision.

[wiegeabo]

Maybe we're reading too much into it. There's a very practical reason why Young left Rush behind.

There was no way he could have carried Rush and gotten back to the Stargate in time.

It literally closed about two seconds behind him. So, rather than both of them being stuck there, he left Rush behind. I mean, he didn't even take any equipment back with him. Although he may have left the equipment and weapons behind for Rush because a part of him felt guilty. And I don't doubt that another part of him was relieved he wouldn't have to look over his shoulder every second Rush was on board, and wouldn't need to fight him over every decision.

[C. Lee]

Rush has lied to everyone repeatedly.

Rush puts his own interest in science above the welfare or wants of everyone else.

Rush Was told the chair would hurt whoever sat in it...he said it wouldn't...Young told him to sit in it then, he refused....Rush coericed someone else to do it....and they got hurt.

Rush tried to frame the commander of the group for murder.


.......and some people are questioning the act of stranding him on the planet?

[RetroNaz]

Well it's better than killing the guy, isn't it?

[Paradox1]

Rush has done some very questionable acts but none of them would be worthy of a death sentence or banishment. My other point who is Young to be judge, jury and executioner. Rush's punishment should of been handled by a jury or council not one man. That is whats wrong with it, if one person's freedom are pissed on everybody is affected.

[wiegeabo]

That would be great if the situation on Destiny was a democracy. But it's not. And the military command structure is well suited to survival situations like this one where the good of the whole outweighs the good of the individual.

[LadyVader]

Yes but the military are not suited to lead in a tehnologically hostile environment. They NEED scientists. If the Destiny has a malfunction in the future, the military can't hold the ship and gun point and force it to work.

I see it like this. Rush and Young are BOTH vital to the survival of the Destiny crew. Young for his leadership and Rush for his technical expertise. By abandoning Rush on that planet Young not only commited murder but he lowered everybody's chances to get home.

[Superfreak]

But that's the point.

Telford, as much of an ass as he seems to be, is supposed to be in command. Young was resigning and didn't want command, but now he has no choice.

Greer, to be kind, is eccentric. Someone that unstable probably would be discharged.

Scott is young and inexperienced.

TJ seems the most stable, but she was also resigning, and now she's in over her head as medical officer.

The whole series is based on people dealing with situations they were never supposed to be in, and the mistakes they make dealing with it.

all I'm saying is that the SGC is a quasi military institution. It has been sending people off planet for a decade. Yes these are the wrong people, in the wrong place. That doesn't change the fact that these SG personel are not anywhere near qualified as those in our other shows. Everymember of this group is part of the SGC(cept for eli and whatsherface?), they should be sad that they're trapped on this ship, but they should also be professional enough to buckle down, and sort out the problems on the ship.

This whole situation, although it created an intersting episode (prolly the most interesting since the premier), it is a bit ridiculous.

The concept for this show would work a lot better for me, if none of the people on the ship were 'sg personel'... ie, a bunch of blank characters who know nothing about stargates, or life off of earth. Then this 'Space Madness' would make a little more sense to me.

[wiegeabo]

Except that in the first two series, all we ever saw were the best of the best. And they were all still far from perfect. We saw soldiers and scientists specifically selected to go into the most dangerous situations and explore the unknown.

In the case of Icarus base, the personnel, to put it bluntly, didn't have to be held to the same standards. They were supposed to be on a secret base, safe from the fighting. And it was a low priority mission. The Icarus soldiers were essential babysitters for the scientists (whereas on Atlantis, everyone had been selected knowing they could be cut off from Earth for years, and they prepared themselves and their equipment/supplies accordingly).

So what we're seeing are the second stringers called up to the big leagues, if you'll excuse the slightly mixed metaphor. They're in a situation they never prepared for, and that many of them can't psychologically take (they wouldn't have been selected for the Atlantis expedition even if they had volunteered).

[C. Lee]

Yes but the military are not suited to lead in a tehnologically hostile environment. They NEED scientists. If the Destiny has a malfunction in the future, the military can't hold the ship and gun point and force it to work.

I see it like this. Rush and Young are BOTH vital to the survival of the Destiny crew. Young for his leadership and Rush for his technical expertise. By abandoning Rush on that planet Young not only commited murder but he lowered everybody's chances to get home.
They don't NEED a scientist that will lie about data and knowlege, put others at risk of death for the fun of it, and frame others for murder (which is basicly attempted murder itself)....you can't trust a guy like that among a civil populace and they don't have enough resources to keep him prisoner.

[C. Lee]

Except that in the first two series, all we ever saw were the best of the best. And they were all still far from perfect. We saw soldiers and scientists specifically selected to go into the most dangerous situations and explore the unknown.

In the case of Icarus base, the personnel, to put it bluntly, didn't have to be held to the same standards. They were supposed to be on a secret base, safe from the fighting. And it was a low priority mission. The Icarus soldiers were essential babysitters for the scientists (whereas on Atlantis, everyone had been selected knowing they could be cut off from Earth for years, and they prepared themselves and their equipment/supplies accordingly).

So what we're seeing are the second stringers called up to the big leagues, if you'll excuse the slightly mixed metaphor. They're in a situation they never prepared for, and that many of them can't psychologically take (they wouldn't have been selected for the Atlantis expedition even if they had volunteered).
Bingo!

[Superfreak]

Except that in the first two series, all we ever saw were the best of the best. And they were all still far from perfect. We saw soldiers and scientists specifically selected to go into the most dangerous situations and explore the unknown.

In the case of Icarus base, the personnel, to put it bluntly, didn't have to be held to the same standards. They were supposed to be on a secret base, safe from the fighting. And it was a low priority mission. The Icarus soldiers were essential babysitters for the scientists (whereas on Atlantis, everyone had been selected knowing they could be cut off from Earth for years, and they prepared themselves and their equipment/supplies accordingly).

So what we're seeing are the second stringers called up to the big leagues, if you'll excuse the slightly mixed metaphor. They're in a situation they never prepared for, and that many of them can't psychologically take (they wouldn't have been selected for the Atlantis expedition even if they had volunteered).


yeah, but even the command officers(colonels+)? It's just doesn't make sense to me. Even the second string command officers on the other shows seemed more capable. Hell, the trainees from way back in SG1 seemed more capable than the higher ranking officers on this show.

[TheCorpulent1]

Young and Telford both seem pretty competent to me. :huh:

[Superfreak]

Young and Telford both seem pretty competent to me. :huh:

competent, yes, totally mental, both of them, yes.

[TheCorpulent1]

How so? Young's got personal problems at home, but he's been nothing but fantastic as a leader for this neurotic, despairing community he's found himself in command of on Destiny.

Telford, on the other hand, is pretty wacky.

[wiegeabo]

Telford would probably be a fine commander if he was actually on Destiny. Different, but competent.

The problem is, he keeps trying to usurp Young's command, without anyway to make it stick. If it was any other position on the front lines, Telford could send someone to relieve Young, or do it himself. But he can't. Yet, instead of working with Young, he just tries to force the situation and makes a mess of everything. The military needs a clear command structure, and Telford is confusing it (and the IOA isn't helping any since they seem to be tying Jack's hands about it).

[aaron]

i dont really like the military people on earth,they're still acting like they call the shots yet really the people on the ship are the ones in control

[Paradox1]

That would be great if the situation on Destiny was a democracy. But it's not. And the military command structure is well suited to survival situations like this one where the good of the whole outweighs the good of the individual.

Except in the military there is a saying of leaving no man behind.Even in the military there are courts for court marshals. What else that makes it wrong he didn't have the guts to tell the rest of the crew cause he knew there would be people who would side with Rush. Lets face it Rush was a threat to his leadership powers. Its like two alpha lions that battle for the crown.

[wiegeabo]

Except in the military there is a saying of leaving no man behind.Even in the military there are courts for court marshals. What else that makes it wrong he didn't have the guts to tell the rest of the crew cause he knew there would be people who would side with Rush. Lets face it Rush was a threat to his leadership powers. Its like two alpha lions that battle for the crown.

True. But didn't Young tell O'Neill that he'd be willing to face any consequences once they got back to Earth. But until then, the survival of the crew was his first priority.

[LadyVader]

Not the entire crew apparently. :whatever:

[Superfreak]

Not the entire crew apparently. :whatever:

exactly. Young's responsibility is not to excecute people... it's to make sure that as many of those people make it back alive. Rush is his responsibility too.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, good leader or not, Young's only human. Besides, Rush was working counter to the interests of the group so much that another commander could reasonably have come to the conclusion that Rush had to go, without any of Rush's personal wrongs to Young influencing their decision.

[LadyVader]

He may have his own interests, but what has he done to ENDANGER people's lives? Has he ever threatened the survival of the group? His main interest is to get knowledge of the Destiny, which in my mind is the only way they can possibly get home safely.

Young and the others don't care about the Destiny, they want to take the shortcut and make the ship do just whatever THEY want it to do. Rush has the better understanding and sees Young's intrusions as obstacles. But honestly since when in the entire Stargate franchise has technology EVER worked without a hitch from the first try? Even things that were manufactured BY humans eventually found way to turn against them.

In this case I think they should let Rush work however he wants to work as long as he doesn't endanger people's lives. Which he hasn't done yet. We don't know what drove that scientist to jump in that chair.

[TheCorpulent1]

His own curiosity and lack of sense, which I'm sure is exactly what Rush counted on. I think it's pretty naive to think that Rush didn't know opening the chair up to the other scientists wouldn't eventually tempt one of them to try it in spite of their better judgment. It was his cowardly, manipulative way of getting to use the chair without risking himself.

[LadyVader]

What was he supposed to do? Hide the thing? If he didn't tell anybody about it, there would be just as big of a chance somebody sitting in it without knowing what it does. Lock it away? That would've prevented anybody working on the chair and possibly find a way to render it harmless.

He acted just like anybody would. Look, i found this thing, it could get us home, it's dangerous. It's the same thing like with that senator that gave his life in the beginning of the show. Rush can't be blamed for what other people do. Or at the very least, it doesn't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he represents a danger to the survival of the group. It's not like after Wray gave him control of the science team he went: "You sit in that chair, now!" (we didn't see him do that on camera so let's assume he didn't).

A leader with a bad temper that arbitrarily decides who gets to live and die is another matter. :)

And another thing. Don't tell me that Young thought about all the crap that Rush did when he left him on that planet. If it Rush's behaviour had been SO bad Young would've restricted his acces to Destiny at the very least. Especially since the chair was discovered SOME time ago and Rush was guilty of manipulating and scheming BEFORE trying to frame Young. It was only after he went for Young specifically and threatened his command that Young decided it was time to let him go. So it was a purely emotional decision. He didn't act in the interest of the group, he acted in his own interest. Since the Destiny crew could very well survive with Wray in charge.

[Superfreak]

agreed LV. Rush may have manipulated to situation, but he told everyone that the chair was dangerous, and that they had to figure out how to lessen the danger.

Moreover, Young has probably put everybody on Destiny in more danger, rather than less, by his actions on the planet. Smart move leader: exile the only person on board who knows what he is doing. Can't just abandon the guy because he's a dick, especially when he's the most qualified person at your disposal.

[Superfreak]

Except that in the first two series, all we ever saw were the best of the best. And they were all still far from perfect. We saw soldiers and scientists specifically selected to go into the most dangerous situations and explore the unknown.

In the case of Icarus base, the personnel, to put it bluntly, didn't have to be held to the same standards. They were supposed to be on a secret base, safe from the fighting. And it was a low priority mission. The Icarus soldiers were essential babysitters for the scientists (whereas on Atlantis, everyone had been selected knowing they could be cut off from Earth for years, and they prepared themselves and their equipment/supplies accordingly).

So what we're seeing are the second stringers called up to the big leagues, if you'll excuse the slightly mixed metaphor. They're in a situation they never prepared for, and that many of them can't psychologically take (they wouldn't have been selected for the Atlantis expedition even if they had volunteered).


Back to this again: SG1 and the Atlantis expedition may have been the cream de la cream of the SGC, but we also gotta remember that all SGC personel are the cream de la cream of our entire planet: they shouldn't be so melodramatic... atleast the military people

[wiegeabo]

Rush framed the guy for murder. And flat out told him he'd never stop coming after him. At the very least that means Rush is going to try and undermine Young's authority, thereby putting the crew at risk. At worst, it means Rush is going to kill Young. That's either mutiny or murder, either one punishable by death in the military.

And once Rush admitted that he was never going to stop going after Young, and that he'd do whatever he wanted, he became a liability to the mission. Instead of working to get them home, Rush is working towards his own endgame, and Young had to put a stop to it.


And again, maybe we're reading too much into it. Young might have had no intention of leaving Rush behind. Just give him a beat down to remind him who the alpha dog was, and to stop ****ing around. But Rush had to keep pushing those buttons, and Young knocked his ass out. At which point, both of them were screwed because Young didn't have the time to carry him back to the gate. It was either leave Rush behind, or they both get stranded.

[wiegeabo]

Back to this again: SG1 and the Atlantis expedition may have been the cream de la cream of the SGC, but we also gotta remember that all SGC personel are the cream de la cream of our entire planet: they shouldn't be so melodramatic... atleast the military people

Of all the military personnel on Destiny, only three are 'so melodramatic': Young, Greer, and the guy who shot himself. Ok, and maybe Telford. Although the guy who shot himself gets to be melodramatic because he was suicidal, but was able to hide it (not uncommon in the military, unfortunately).

Scott's just a horn-dog. :p

The scientists...well, they're a lot like all the scientists we've seen in both other series.


And even the best of the best are people too, with screwed up stuff in their lives and **** they have to deal with.

Look how 'melodramatic' O'Neill was after Charlie's death and the breakup of his marriage. He was suicidal in the movie (Kurt Russel), and was still all screwed up in the pilot.


Maybe all of this perceived melodrama seems so out of place because we've never really seen the off-duty lives of SGC personnel before, except in occasional episodes. But on Destiny, we have this self-contained little world where on-duty blends with off-duty, and everyone sees the same people over and over again, no one likes the situation they're in, and there's no relief in sight. Even the best of the best crack under those conditions.

[LadyVader]

Rush framed the guy for murder. And flat out told him he'd never stop coming after him. At the very least that means Rush is going to try and undermine Young's authority, thereby putting the crew at risk. At worst, it means Rush is going to kill Young. That's either mutiny or murder, either one punishable by death in the military.

And once Rush admitted that he was never going to stop going after Young, and that he'd do whatever he wanted, he became a liability to the mission. Instead of working to get them home, Rush is working towards his own endgame, and Young had to put a stop to it.

Rush saying that he will never stop means JUST that. That he SAID he would never stop. You don't strand somebody on a deserted planet over something he SAYS. Let's not forget that Rush and Young did work together when the situation called for it.

Rush never placed anybody in danger willingly, he never killed anybody or threatened to hurt anybody. Never stole food, never held anybody at gunpoint. If anything, more crap has happened to him than he has inflicted on other people. The thing he did wrong (on the ship) was to state from the beginning that the only way they were getting home is if they know Destiny's secrets and he devoted himself to learning those secrets. Fact is that he is more interested in learning those secrets for himself than the rest of the people, but that doesn't infer his initial statements. They DO need to know more about Destiny to get home, and he is the gateway to that. But Young isn't comfortable 1. depending on Rush and 2. letting somebody like Rush get the knowledge he desires. And that's why I think he left him on that planet. Not because it is in the INTEREST of the group.

And again, maybe we're reading too much into it. Young might have had no intention of leaving Rush behind. Just give him a beat down to remind him who the alpha dog was, and to stop ****ing around. But Rush had to keep pushing those buttons, and Young knocked his ass out. At which point, both of them were screwed because Young didn't have the time to carry him back to the gate. It was either leave Rush behind, or they both get stranded.

Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Young drags Scott's ass out of that ice crevice? By himself? And he had to carry both Scott and his 100 pound suit. And isn't Scott a bigger guy than puny Rush? You actually expect me to believe he couldn't have carried Rush out of there? Heck, maybe if he slapped him around a bit maybe he could've waked him up!


Even the best of the best crack under those conditions.

Exactly. Like Young did on that planet. :p

[carrrnuttt]

Back to this again: SG1 and the Atlantis expedition may have been the cream de la cream of the SGC, but we also gotta remember that all SGC personel are the cream de la cream of our entire planet: they shouldn't be so melodramatic... atleast the military people

EVERYONE has some kind of drama in each of their lives. We just never got to see them regularly from the SG1 and SGA teams, since there were so many other things for THEM and US to focus on. Being stuck in a tin-can as the SGU personnel are, all they have left is the human element. Essentially, it's the formula of the old SG shows turned on its head...just like they said it would be. Imagine that.

[Kahoot]

I'm not too sure he will...there was a commetn by RC that makes me think the Aliens will pick him up first,,,,,, and i suspect that they are the same ones that appeared at the end of Air III
The little sand things? Or the shuttle/ship that flew away at the end of the episode?

[wiegeabo]

Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Young drags Scott's ass out of that ice crevice? By himself? And he had to carry both Scott and his 100 pound suit. And isn't Scott a bigger guy than puny Rush? You actually expect me to believe he couldn't have carried Rush out of there? Heck, maybe if he slapped him around a bit maybe he could've waked him up!


Yes he did. Did you also notice that while not carrying Rush or any equipment he barely made it through the gate in time? Meaning that had he been carrying anything like he did on the ice planet, he wouldn't have made it at all, probably because he was a lot closer to the gate and/or had more time on the ice planet.

[C. Lee]

Rush saying that he will never stop means JUST that. That he SAID he would never stop. You don't strand somebody on a deserted planet over something he SAYS. Let's not forget that Rush and Young did work together when the situation called for it.


I suggest you never stand infront of a cop and just SAY that you plan on killing the president.....you might be surprised by what will be done.

[LadyVader]

Yes he did. Did you also notice that while not carrying Rush or any equipment he barely made it through the gate in time? Meaning that had he been carrying anything like he did on the ice planet, he wouldn't have made it at all, probably because he was a lot closer to the gate and/or had more time on the ice planet.

Of course he would BARELY make it on time. It'd be a little silly if he arrived 15 min before jumping and say: "oh, Rush couldn't make it". :)

I suggest you never stand infront of a cop and just SAY that you plan on killing the president.....you might be surprised by what will be done.

Doesn't really work when you say that to a person coming from a country where the military shot a former president (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceau%C5%9Fescu) on Christmas day. He'd probably slap me on the back and say: "Good luck."
:)

Seriously though, that's a pretty weak comparison. IMO.

[C. Lee]

In my country he'd slap me on the back and say: "Good luck." Probably give me his gun for good measure. :P

Seriously though, that's a pretty weak comparison. IMO.

Not sure if you are kidding or not.

Here in the United States....they take threats to the president's life seriously. If you make a flat out statement that you plan on killing the President, there will be an official investigation started with the person most likely being taken into custody immediately to determine if he is an immediate threat, and most likely released in a few days. That is normal procedure during regular non emergency times.

Now....take the situation that the SU series is in. The military is in command of a small group of people in an extremely dangerous situation. It is under "martial law" during a "war time" like setting. They have a member of the group that has been exposed as self serving, manipulative, giving false information to his superiors, withholding information from his superiors, ignoring orders, talking up resistance to the authority among his fellow group, and now has been found to have actually tried to frame the commaning officer for murder and proclaims that he will continue to act this way.....he is a threat to everyone on board the ship...and must be removed from the opportunity to fulfill the threats he has made.

[LadyVader]

Slightly kidding. The military did kill Ceausescu and there was this communist joke during his regime.

You see, when the communists were around, there were massive queues forming outside shops to get food. And one thay a guy standing in queue since forever says: "That's it, I'm tired of this waiting crap, I'm going to kill the president". So he leaves and comes back the next day: "So, did you kill him?" the people asked.
"There was a queue there too..." :)

Now, back to what you said, I am unfamiliar with how martial law works, but does that mean that Rush not being a military officer has superiors all of a sudden? Further more, he didn't do half the things you listed. He has never lied or ignored direct orders, didn't talk up a resistance to Young with other people although he did undermine his authority. He is not a threat to everybody on the ship, just a threat to Young specifically. He has never acted in any way that would hurt anybody else on the ship.

Furthermore, when Young stepped down from command temporarily he didn't hand command over to another military figure, he gave it to Camille Wray. So if Young proves to be truely unfit to command, which in the end turns out HE IS, because he abandoned a valuable member of the group on another planet, then Camille Wray, a civil servant, would be in charge of the expedition.

Young was put on trial for being accused of doing something similar in the begining of the episode and Spencer was way more dangerous to the expedition, since he actually did all the things you mentioned. He stole food, lashed out on the others, tried to get on board that rescue ship when the Destiny was thought to explode (thereby disobeying a direct order, and he WAS a military officer).

[GhostPoet]

Personally, I think the way he handled Rush wasn't very smart. He should have kept Rush on the ship, but loosened the leash a little more. Someone wants to jump in the chair? Fine. Let them. Let Rush do what he has to to learn more about the ship. Keep him under watch, but let him have a little more freedom then he has had. Yes, he makes morally iffy decisions...but the times call for that.

Basically...use Rush to their advantage. Rush liked to manipulate situations...but they should have turned that around and manipulated him to a degree...let him do what he wants...but only so far.

[LadyVader]

Yeah, but Young isn't a smart person. He's a gritty realistic character, flawed both morally and emotionally. :)

[TheCorpulent1]

So... basically, forget the safety of the group as a whole and let Rush do whatever he wants? That's an odd way of 'manipulating' Rush.

[LadyVader]

Again, how the heck did he threaten the safety of the group? Is he the one that gave a proven emotionally unstable person like Spencer the gun in the first place? No, that was 100% the military's responsability. And Young KNEW that Spencer was unstable. He stole the food, tried to get on board the rescue ship and Young even told him he's sick of his whiney ass and proceeded to ram his face in the side of the ship. But thinking to cut his access to weaponry? No, that never came to him.

And yet Rush is the one abandoned on that planet... Sheesh.

[GhostPoet]

So... basically, forget the safety of the group as a whole and let Rush do whatever he wants? That's an odd way of 'manipulating' Rush.

Only to an extent. Rush may do things that seem dangerous...but even he doesn't want to see the ship blow up. He also realizes that he needs some of the people if he's going to accomplish anything, so he won't do anything so crazy as to lose the crew.

Keep him on a leash still, but just loosened enough to allow him to do a bit more. He may even be a bit more forthright about the goings on with what he's doing if he thinks the others are on "his side" with the extra freedom he is given.


or maybe i'm just an extremist :)

[SsM]

Brad Wright has stated in interviews that while everyone thinks Rush is crazy, there is always a good reason for everything he does. :/

[C. Lee]

Now, back to what you said, I am unfamiliar with how martial law works, but does that mean that Rush not being a military officer has superiors all of a sudden? Further more, he didn't do half the things you listed. He has never lied or ignored direct orders, didn't talk up a resistance to Young with other people although he did undermine his authority. He is not a threat to everybody on the ship, just a threat to Young specifically. He has never acted in any way that would hurt anybody else on the ship.

Furthermore, when Young stepped down from command temporarily he didn't hand command over to another military figure, he gave it to Camille Wray. So if Young proves to be truely unfit to command, which in the end turns out HE IS, because he abandoned a valuable member of the group on another planet, then Camille Wray, a civil servant, would be in charge of the expedition.

Young was put on trial for being accused of doing something similar in the begining of the episode and Spencer was way more dangerous to the expedition, since he actually did all the things you mentioned. He stole food, lashed out on the others, tried to get on board that rescue ship when the Destiny was thought to explode (thereby disobeying a direct order, and he WAS a military officer).
I'm not planning on rewatching all the episodes to get specifics to back up or refute all my original points....but the basic complaint can't be argued....Rush tried to frame Young for murder....in normal conditions that warrants decades in jail....in a martial law situation, being stranded and not executed means he was lucky.

[RetroNaz]

It's good to see some discussion on a topic as simple is this: who is right? who is wrong?

I'm hoping the show does a lot more of these...

[Superfreak]

So... basically, forget the safety of the group as a whole and let Rush do whatever he wants? That's an odd way of 'manipulating' Rush.

imo, that's already been forgotten, with Rush's exile. The people on the ship are screwed without Rush, stones or no stones. And that's because no one else knows diddly squat about the ship.

[Superfreak]

I'm not planning on rewatching all the episodes to get specifics to back up or refute all my original points....but the basic complaint can't be argued....Rush tried to frame Young for murder....in normal conditions that warrants decades in jail....in a martial law situation, being stranded and not executed means he was lucky.

I'm no lawyer, but a life sentence (for actually doing something really bad) is 25 years. Framing someone for murder (a murder that wasn't actually committed), is not gonna get you decades in prison. Even a decade would be extremely unlucky/unlikely.

That being said, Young is a douche. Sure, Rush manipulated the situation to allow someone to volunteer to sit in the chair... volunteer being the most important word in that statement. Rush is Young's responsibility, subsequently Wray's. As in, they are supposed to be looking out for him too. (question: if Young was asleep in his quarters, how did Rush get in there to hide the gun?)

stranding someone alone in a far part of the universe is worse than a death sentence. This punishment hardly fits the crime. Moreover, in my judgement, as I said before, Young has doomed the whole crew of the Destiny. Without Rush, there really is no one apparent among the cast who is as well versed in the ancient science/culture as he is. In other words, in order to save the body, Young cut out the brain. One cannot function without the other.

[RetroNaz]

I'm no lawyer, but a life sentence (for actually doing something really bad) is 25 years. Framing someone for murder (a murder that wasn't actually committed), is not gonna get you decades in prison. Even a decade would be extremely unlucky/unlikely.

That being said, Young is a douche. Sure, Rush manipulated the situation to allow someone to volunteer to sit in the chair... volunteer being the most important word in that statement. Rush is Young's responsibility, subsequently Wray's. As in, they are supposed to be looking out for him too. (question: if Young was asleep in his quarters, how did Rush get in there to hide the gun?)

stranding someone alone in a far part of the universe is worse than a death sentence. This punishment hardly fits the crime. Moreover, in my judgement, as I said before, Young has doomed the whole crew of the Destiny. Without Rush, there really is no one apparent among the cast who is as well versed in the ancient science/culture as he is. In other words, in order to save the body, Young cut out the brain. One cannot function without the other.

I think the gun would have been moved when Young first brought up the investigation to all the crew and Rush was no where to be found but "working".

[Dark Helmet]

I say let there be a couple of red shirts on the ship trying to do something on Youngs orders that require to understand Ancient & something happens & have a few of the unknown crew die on Young's orders because they did know understand Ancient & then slowly have Young realize that they needed Rush

[LadyVader]

I'm not planning on rewatching all the episodes to get specifics to back up or refute all my original points....but the basic complaint can't be argued....Rush tried to frame Young for murder....in normal conditions that warrants decades in jail....in a martial law situation, being stranded and not executed means he was lucky.

Again, I don't know how martial law works in real life, but this is the Stargate Universe. And we know that something like this would never have happened on a show like SG1 or SGA, but even in SGU's established universe, a commander making the decision to execute a member of the group has been established that it's WRONG. Young lost his command because he was just a SUSPECT of murder, and like I said time and time again, Spencer was a valid dangerous element.

In the "Light" episode he instigated the crowd to mutiny and all that happened was that he got a riffle butt to the head. After the crisis passed, nobody said anything to him. If Spencer, a proven dangerous element, gets a clean break several times (doesn't even lose his right to carry a weapon), why is Rush exiled on a deserted planet?

[GL1]

Rush was marooned (NOT killed) primarily because he messed with the wrong guy. Yeah, Rush was unrepentant and dedicated to causing trouble (as opposed to being unstable, or unpredictable) and Rush was certainly responsible for that man's coma, at least imho, but the clincher is that he went after Young, a man who is NOT stable or objective, merely professional and responsible. Rush thought he could predict Young's actions, or he wouldn't have done it, Rush didn't account for the extreme stress Young has been under, or how deeply responsible for everything Young feels.

Rush felt no danger when those others left, even though he knew what he did, and he knew he only had an hour to get back to the ship, and he was alone with the man he framed.

And then, when Young was willing to let it go, Rush would not. That is why Rush got left. It wasn't law, he just pressed the wrong button and relied on his invaluability. He expected everyone to be as coldly logical as he is, and they most certainly are not.

Now Eli's the head scientist. Lol. Honestly, the ship is no worse off than if Scott had to take over for Young.

Greer's still my favorite. It's evil to use your scary-blackmanness for personal gain though. That was dirty. Ming Na's character wasn't ready for that.

[C. Lee]

I'm no lawyer, but a life sentence (for actually doing something really bad) is 25 years. Framing someone for murder (a murder that wasn't actually committed), is not gonna get you decades in prison. Even a decade would be extremely unlucky/unlikely.
There are many different rules for sentencing, not only in the U.S. but around the globe....one thing I found said "Life sentencing for murder in the United States has a mean of 349 months (29 years one month) and a median of 480 months (40 years)".... another said ""Murder one", as the term was popularized by novels and television, carried a penalty of death, or life in prison, while the penalty for "murder two" was generally around 80 years in prison."....so there is a quite a difference in the sentencing of someone for that crime depending on how the crime was committed and so on. With that being shown....I believe that the framing of someone for murder could get you a sentance of 10 to 20 years....which would make it "decades".

That being said, Young is a douche. Sure, Rush manipulated the situation to allow someone to volunteer to sit in the chair... volunteer being the most important word in that statement. Rush is Young's responsibility, subsequently Wray's. As in, they are supposed to be looking out for him too. (question: if Young was asleep in his quarters, how did Rush get in there to hide the gun?) A douche that tried to frame the commanding officer of murder. Rush could have very easily hid the gun in Young's room when Young was talking to everyone about the search for the gun...because it was shown that Rush was not there (he said he had better things to do with his time).

stranding someone alone in a far part of the universe is worse than a death sentence.
I would feel bad if it was done to an innocent person...but Rush admitted that he tried to frame Young for murder, and said he would continue to screw with him if allowed.

This punishment hardly fits the crime. Moreover, in my judgement, as I said before, Young has doomed the whole crew of the Destiny. Without Rush, there really is no one apparent among the cast who is as well versed in the ancient science/culture as he is. In other words, in order to save the body, Young cut out the brain. One cannot function without the other.
I believe Eli has helped with the technology as much if not more so than Rush. Rush has kept info from people, has misdirected them, lied to them.....depending on someone like that can get you killed.

[C. Lee]

Again, I don't know how martial law works in real life, but this is the Stargate Universe.The Stargate Universe follows military law....and in it...during Martial Law, the highest ranking officer is given control....and summary executions can be ordered (this rarely has happened in the United States....but has occured around the world).

And we know that something like this would never have happened on a show like SG1 or SGA,
Not having seen all episodes of either previous series...I don't know if any episode dealt with someone framing the leader for murder...so can't say if it would or wouldn't have happened.

but even in SGU's established universe, a commander making the decision to execute a member of the group has been established that it's WRONG. Young lost his command because he was just a SUSPECT of murder, and like I said time and time again, Spencer was a valid dangerous element.
Young didn't LOSE command....he voluntarily stepped down because he was implicated in the crime. He did not have to do this...he wasn't forced to do it...he voluntarily did it. He could have stayed in charge.

In the "Light" episode he instigated the crowd to mutiny and all that happened was that he got a riffle butt to the head. After the crisis passed, nobody said anything to him. If Spencer, a proven dangerous element, gets a clean break several times (doesn't even lose his right to carry a weapon), why is Rush exiled on a deserted planet?
The LIGHT episode took place only days after they arrived on the ship....they were faced with the situation that they would most likely all be killed within a day or so...Spencer went off and was hit upside the head to calm him down. It was a tense situation that many people were "losing it" over. Many times in the military, if someone does something wrong, he is given punishment of extra duty or hard duty. Spencer was knocked out and left to lie there (with the expectation that they all would be dead within hours)....we were never told if there was further punishment given to him for this after they all didn't die, but it was alluded to in this episode when he didn't show up for KP duty (KP is often given as punishment...we don't know if other punishment duties were given to him). But it comes back to one simple fact...while Spencer committed several offences....he did not try to frame his commanding officer for murder....Rush did.

[LadyVader]

Well let's agree to disagree then. You say that it doesn't matter how valuable you are, or that other people did worse things than you to hurt the group's survival chances, or that you are a human being and still have rights. If you mess with the commander, you deserve to DIE.

Ok, I just don't agree with that. And since Young lied about what he did and feels the need to cover it up, then I have a feeling somewhere down the line, other characters won't agree with him either.

[wiegeabo]

In emergency conditions such as Destiny, a field commander has the authority suspend due process if he believe the threat or crime is severe enough, and can even order and carry out summary executions. What Rush did was at the very least mutiny, which is a crime punishable by death in the military. Young was well within his rights to leave Rush behind.

Now, once he gets back to Earth, he can still be prosecuted. And if they determine his actions weren't warranted, and he abused his authority, he will be punished. And if not, he'll be absolved of any crime (although it's a good bet that the Air Force would strongly 'suggest' he take early retirement and an honorable discharge so they don't have to deal with him anymore).

[carrrnuttt]

Young doesn't have the luxury of time nor supplies to try and keep Rush around (as in lock him up), whilst he tries to figure out Rush's endgame. The fact that Rush knows about the ship makes him even more dangerous as a prisoner, as no room in the ship is likely to contain him.

Beyond that, the bottomline is, if the commanding officer of an already shaky expedition, or one of his own fellow scientists means nothing more than an annoyance in the way of Rush's goals [whatever those may be], then Young has no reason to believe that Rush wouldn't sacrifice anyone else on the ship just as quickly, maybe except for Eli. Especially when Rush is willing to admit that he won't stop trying to do whatever he's trying to do...which he won't tell anyone.

LadyVader: What's with this, "mess with the commander" bull-crap? I take it you have never been in the military, nor in a pressure situation [like combat] such as the SGU personnel are in. I have been in both. You have NO idea how important a strong, commanding presence is in that situation. What I mean by that, by "messing with the commander," you ARE messing with the rest of the crew as well. Not to mention Rush HAS messed with everyone else in an uncountable number of ways...not just "the commander." Not the least of which is, the fact that he's the reason they're all even stranded where they are.

[Superfreak]

There are many different rules for sentencing, not only in the U.S. but around the globe....one thing I found said "Life sentencing for murder in the United States has a mean of 349 months (29 years one month) and a median of 480 months (40 years)".... another said ""Murder one", as the term was popularized by novels and television, carried a penalty of death, or life in prison, while the penalty for "murder two" was generally around 80 years in prison."....so there is a quite a difference in the sentencing of someone for that crime depending on how the crime was committed and so on. With that being shown....I believe that the framing of someone for murder could get you a sentance of 10 to 20 years....which would make it "decades".

A douche that tried to frame the commanding officer of murder. Rush could have very easily hid the gun in Young's room when Young was talking to everyone about the search for the gun...because it was shown that Rush was not there (he said he had better things to do with his time).


I would feel bad if it was done to an innocent person...but Rush admitted that he tried to frame Young for murder, and said he would continue to screw with him if allowed.


I believe Eli has helped with the technology as much if not more so than Rush. Rush has kept info from people, has misdirected them, lied to them.....depending on someone like that can get you killed.


so I was off by a couple of years: you get the point, that is why criminals sometimes get multiple life sentences. My point being, that life sentences are not actual life sentences, they are finite periods of time that mess up a life. Framing someone for a murder that did not happen is not gonna get anybody 10 years in prison. Framing someone for an actual murder, might get you 10 years, as one is misdirecting authorities away from the actual criminal(not an issue in this case). This was more of a nuissance than an indictable crime.

Eli doesn't know squat, he may be gifted, but he is not schooled. And no 'The Last Starfighter' video game is going to make him ready for that. If it suddenly comes to 'Eli to the rescue' within this, or the next 2 seasons, I'm not going to be impressed, unless there is some underlying long run narrative that shows him learning about everything SG.

moreover, lets say Young exiled Rush before Mr. Wonderful sat in the chair... without Rush, they would have had to have someone sit in the chair, since Young gulaged the capable scientist aboard.

Rush may not be innocent, but the punishment hardly fits the crime. Young is psycho. Infact, I'm leaning towards that direction more and more. He's just blowing off the steam from his last violent outburst.

[LadyVader]

Young doesn't have the luxury of time nor supplies to try and keep Rush around (as in lock him up), whilst he tries to figure out Rush's endgame. The fact that Rush knows about the ship makes him even more dangerous as a prisoner, as no room in the ship is likely to contain him.

Beyond that, the bottomline is, if the commanding officer of an already shaky expedition, or one of his own fellow scientists means nothing more than an annoyance in the way of Rush's goals [whatever those may be], then Young has no reason to believe that Rush wouldn't sacrifice anyone else on the ship just as quickly, maybe except for Eli. Especially when Rush is willing to admit that he won't stop trying to do whatever he's trying to do...which he won't tell anyone.

LadyVader: What's with this, "mess with the commander" bull-crap? I take it you have never been in the military, nor in a pressure situation [like combat] such as the SGU personnel are in. I have been in both. You have NO idea how important a strong, commanding presence is in that situation. What I mean by that, by "messing with the commander," you ARE messing with the rest of the crew as well. Not to mention Rush HAS messed with everyone else in an uncountable number of ways...not just "the commander." Not the least of which is, the fact that he's the reason they're all even stranded where they are.

What is this I keep hearing about "combat situation". They're not fighting a war. What they are is stranded on a space ship. Yes you may need the military fire power to KEEP the people calm, but in order to survive on a FREAKING space ship, military regulations, the chain of command and weaponry are not gonna do diddly squat for you if you don't know how to operate the technology. And they just marooned the one guy who knew how to do that better than anybody, thereby lowering everybody's chances to survive.

And once again I feel the need to point out that Spencer SHOULDN'T have had that gun! He shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near a gun. Rush took advantage of a situation created by a military blunder. Sure, that doesn't excuse what he did but I'm just saying. If Young was such a great leader, he would've restricted Spencer's access to weapons and defused the situation before it happened.

[Superfreak]

What is this I keep hearing about "combat situation". They're not fighting a war. What they are is stranded on a space ship. Yes you may need the military fire power to KEEP the people calm, but in order to survive on a FREAKING space ship, military regulations, the chain of command and weaponry are not gonna do diddly squat for you if you don't know how to operate the technology. And they just marooned the one guy who knew how to do that better than anybody, thereby lowering everybody's chances to survive.

And once again I feel the need to point out that Spencer SHOULDN'T have had that gun! He shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near a gun. Rush took advantage of a situation created by a military blunder. Sure, that doesn't excuse what he did but I'm just saying. If Young was such a great leader, he would've restricted Spencer's access to weapons and defused the situation before it happened.

agreed and seconded

[RetroNaz]

I think it's safe and simple enough to say that both Young and Rush were both wrong with how they handled each individual situation that brought them to the end of the last episode.

But I kind of like that about this show. We don't have any black or white characters. There is no main "bad guy" so to speak of that the show can use as it's primary villain.

It's just the people, and the conflict that happens amongst people when a situation as bad as being stranded so far away from home comes into play.

[Superfreak]

I think it's safe and simple enough to say that both Young and Rush were both wrong with how they handled each individual situation that brought them to the end of the last episode.

But I kind of like that about this show. We don't have any black or white characters. There is no main "bad guy" so to speak of that the show can use as it's primary villain.

It's just the people, and the conflict that happens amongst people when a situation as bad as being stranded so far away from home comes into play.

just wish that concept was played upon in all 10 episodes, not just the 1st and the 10th, with nothing too fab in the middle. I mean there was lots to talk about after the premier, and there's lots to talk about after this finale, but in the intervening time, I wasn't really impressed with what was delivered (other than the nice F/X visuals which really have nothing to do with the story other than being pretty). A little more consistency in epi quality, and a little less single serving inanity, are things that would make me happy.

[RetroNaz]

I have to agree with you on that. At first it took me a while to come around to the idea that the show was perhaps a little slow with not much going on, but after a good taste in the first and latest episode like you say...let's hope that things pick up.

And to be honest I wouldn't mind if they even introduced a proper recurring villain for the show, maybe by the end of season 1 and heading into season 2.

[C. Lee]

You say that it doesn't matter how valuable you are, or that other people did worse things than you to hurt the group's survival chances, or that you are a human being and still have rights. If you mess with the commander, you deserve to DIE.
Is that what I said? I thought I said that Rush had endangered everyone's life with his antics and ALSO had framed the commander of thier group for murder....and then when confronted with this fact he basicly said he would continue to do so....thus continuing to endanger the lives of everyone on board.

Ok, I just don't agree with that. And since Young lied about what he did and feels the need to cover it up, then I have a feeling somewhere down the line, other characters won't agree with him either. You have a right to not agree with it....but under martial law rules...it is the way things are. Even if someone doesn't like a rule...they have to follow it until it is changed. Rush refused to follow the rules.

In emergency conditions such as Destiny, a field commander has the authority suspend due process if he believe the threat or crime is severe enough, and can even order and carry out summary executions. What Rush did was at the very least mutiny, which is a crime punishable by death in the military. Young was well within his rights to leave Rush behind.

Now, once he gets back to Earth, he can still be prosecuted. And if they determine his actions weren't warranted, and he abused his authority, he will be punished. And if not, he'll be absolved of any crime (although it's a good bet that the Air Force would strongly 'suggest' he take early retirement and an honorable discharge so they don't have to deal with him anymore).Absolutely. If they make it back....Young can be brought up on charges and then the military will decide what to do with him....until then, he is in charge.

Young doesn't have the luxury of time nor supplies to try and keep Rush around (as in lock him up), whilst he tries to figure out Rush's endgame. The fact that Rush knows about the ship makes him even more dangerous as a prisoner, as no room in the ship is likely to contain him.

Beyond that, the bottomline is, if the commanding officer of an already shaky expedition, or one of his own fellow scientists means nothing more than an annoyance in the way of Rush's goals [whatever those may be], then Young has no reason to believe that Rush wouldn't sacrifice anyone else on the ship just as quickly, maybe except for Eli. Especially when Rush is willing to admit that he won't stop trying to do whatever he's trying to do...which he won't tell anyone.

LadyVader: What's with this, "mess with the commander" bull-crap? I take it you have never been in the military, nor in a pressure situation [like combat] such as the SGU personnel are in. I have been in both. You have NO idea how important a strong, commanding presence is in that situation. What I mean by that, by "messing with the commander," you ARE messing with the rest of the crew as well. Not to mention Rush HAS messed with everyone else in an uncountable number of ways...not just "the commander." Not the least of which is, the fact that he's the reason they're all even stranded where they are.Right. They are short on supplies and don't need to be constantly on the lookout for one of thier own to screw with them.

What is this I keep hearing about "combat situation". They're not fighting a war. What they are is stranded on a space ship. Yes you may need the military fire power to KEEP the people calm, but in order to survive on a FREAKING space ship, military regulations, the chain of command and weaponry are not gonna do diddly squat for you if you don't know how to operate the technology. And they just marooned the one guy who knew how to do that better than anybody, thereby lowering everybody's chances to survive.
They were on a secret military mission when they were attacked by aliens (who destroyed the entire planet they were on)....they then transported to an alien ship where they are currently unable to return to any area that is in contact with the Earth. That is a "combat situation".

They marooned the one guy who CLAIMS to know how to do it.... he has mislead them about the information he does or doesn't know, thereby lowering everyone's chances of survival.

And once again I feel the need to point out that Spencer SHOULDN'T have had that gun! He shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near a gun. Rush took advantage of a situation created by a military blunder. Sure, that doesn't excuse what he did but I'm just saying. If Young was such a great leader, he would've restricted Spencer's access to weapons and defused the situation before it happened.

Young may have restricted his access (as far as I know at this point, having just seen the episode one time)....but the old adage is true....if someone really wants to commit suicide, they will find a way to do it.

[wiegeabo]

Young may have restricted his access (as far as I know at this point, having just seen the episode one time)....but the old adage is true....if someone really wants to commit suicide, they will find a way to do it.

True. If he couldn't get a gun, he'd have slit his wrists or something.

[RetroNaz]

They could have had him sit in the chair if they'd known lol

[Baggers]

True. If he couldn't get a gun, he'd have slit his wrists or something.

Or an Airlock or two ;)

Just saw the "Justice" ep, wow the ending with Young beating seven shades of ***** out of Rush wasn't what I was expecting Young too do, and the way they shown it was alittle hard to watch (which adds to the "realness" compared to overdramaic fight scenes we have seen in SG-1/SGA and Sci-fi in general).

The ship at the end of the ep is defo the same model of ship that was seen at the end of Air part 3, not so sure what this could mean for Rush and Destiny tho...

[Superfreak]

They could have had him sit in the chair if they'd known lol

see, logic at last.

one thing that dissappointed me so far, is the pathetic use of the communication stones. They've been on the ship for a while, and most of the stone use has been for 'personal vacations'. They used them in the one episode to get experts on board. I think this should have been used more in first 10 episodes. Doctors, psychologists, other experts to help the people on board survive... rather than experts focused solely on getting them home.

that being said, I'd also find the show much more enjoyable without the stones at all. There has just been too much use of them in the opening 10.

I'm giving this first half of the season a 60%, a C-. Had a strong opening and close, and the opening arc was interesting. But as soon as they moved away from the ship doing things on its own, things stagnated a lot. There is still a lot of potential in the show... I hope they tap into it, and move away from the simple gimmicks, like the stones.

[Baggers]

Firesky announces Stargate Resistance video game: http://www.gateworld.net/news/2009/12/firesky-announces-stargate-resistance-video-game/

[RetroNaz]

PC only :(

[Baggers]

PC only :(

I know sucksss :(

[Dark Helmet]

Firesky announces Stargate Resistance video game: http://www.gateworld.net/news/2009/12/firesky-announces-stargate-resistance-video-game/

Fyi if this game fails then so does Stargate Worlds lol

[Sam Fisher]

PC only :(Dang, that sucks. I have zero interest in PC games.

[RetroNaz]

Same.

I was so bummed when I found out the new KOTOR was an MMO on PC only !

[LadyVader]

You have a right to not agree with it....but under martial law rules...it is the way things are. Even if someone doesn't like a rule...they have to follow it until it is changed. Rush refused to follow the rules.
So did Spencer but he didn't break THE GOLDEN rule apparently.

They marooned the one guy who CLAIMS to know how to do it....

Claims? Is he not the one that TOLD Young that people running around turning on crap is bad for the ship? Is he not the one that figured out how to get that rescue ship back to Destiny at the end of the Light episode? Is he not the one that Young came to when he needed to get the SGC and the IOA off his back by tinkering with the ship's systems?

There is no CLAIMING about it. He IS the most technologically able person on the ship and the most likely to eventually lean how to operate its systems properly. But all that is thrown out the window because apparently even in space military force trumps knowledge.

Right. They are short on supplies and don't need to be constantly on the lookout for one of thier own to screw with them.

Yeah, good thing Spencer killed himself. Oops, I mean, good thing Rush was abandoned.

[GL1]

Yeeeeah, if it was martial law, they couldn't have put a journalist in command. I don't buy that by a long shot.

[Superfreak]

Yeeeeah, if it was martial law, they couldn't have put a journalist in command. I don't buy that by a long shot.

? i don't get you ?

[GL1]

? i don't get you ?

Oh... I'm attempting to question this:

I'm not planning on rewatching all the episodes to get specifics to back up or refute all my original points....but the basic complaint can't be argued....Rush tried to frame Young for murder....in normal conditions that warrants decades in jail....in a martial law situation, being stranded and not executed means he was lucky.

I don't think they're under Martial Law, and Ming Na's character being in charge proves that it is not. I think the idea of Martial Law, and what would be standard procedure in such a case should be taken out of the discussion.

[TheCorpulent1]

She's not a journalist, she's the head of human resources for Icarus Base. And Young voluntarily gave her command, which I imagine would be his prerogative under martial law. And the situation with the SGC is pretty complicated due to the joint oversight by the USAF and the IOA, so who's to say what "standard procedure" would be for them?

[Superfreak]

She's not a journalist, she's the head of human resources for Icarus Base. And Young voluntarily gave her command, which I imagine would be his prerogative under martial law. And the situation with the SGC is pretty complicated due to the joint oversight by the USAF and the IOA, so who's to say what "standard procedure" would be for them?

ok,that's what he was talking about, i was like "what journalist? I'm so confused"


But on the point: they're not under martial law, clearly, there isn't any sort of law ruling the people on the ship. Otherwise Rush would have been punished a number of times, suicide guy would be in deep for threatening Mr. Douche bag chair guy. Suicide guy would also be in trouble for the hording. Yeah, they locked him up in a room for a while, but for how long, an hour? What kind of punishment is that, when your trapped in a giant flying coffin?

I honestly don't think there is any type of law being used aboard the ship.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it seems like there isn't a standardized system of law on the ship other than the vestiges from modern American civilization that they all came from. Basically, it's whatever the leader says goes, so long as they can get the people onboard to follow them. That's why Young is trying to lead through mutual respect, I imagine, rather than just throwing his military underlings at people.

[Superfreak]

Yeah, it seems like there isn't a standardized system of law on the ship other than the vestiges from modern American civilization that they all came from. Basically, it's whatever the leader says goes, so long as they can get the people onboard to follow them. That's why Young is trying to lead through mutual respect, I imagine, rather than just throwing his military underlings at people.

you know, one of the things that made me happy about Atlantis was the international crew... seems to have been done away with for SGU. Everyone seems to be American, apart from the all knowing british guy.

[TheCorpulent1]

It does seem to be a more US-centric bunch. But there are a lot of ethnicities, at least, if not actual people from different countries.

[Happenstance]

SGU has been renewed for a second season

[wiegeabo]

:up:

[aaron]

wait..so when it comes back in march that will be season two?