Goku vs Superman

[Krpton]

who is stronger?

ssj4 goku or the prime of supes?

[The Incredible Hulk]

Dragonballs suck

[Marburystarbury]

dragonballz is some crap japs made up. Superman would own super goku. This has been brought up so much. Goku cant take bullets or even needles for that fact.

[Marburystarbury]

Not to mention supes is alot smarter then goku. superman is fast , so fast he can rip time. and reverse it. strong enough to move the moon and lift buildings unlike dragonball charcters. superman can take planet shattering blasts. Supes has heat vison. x-ray that lets him see in the night and he can see in long distants and is the 2 fastest man alive (next to flash but not by alot). supes can hear from a mile away. flys way faster then goku (he can reverse time for god's sake).

[Puckenstein]

:rolleyes: Stop the insanity.


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[Superman20]

what the hell is a goku?

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Marburystarbury
dragonballz is some crap japs made up. Superman would own super goku. This has been brought up so much. Goku cant take bullets or even needles for that fact.

The only crap thing around here is you:up:

[Knightsaber Priss]

I;m going to have to say Goku because either way Warners might as well slap an orange Gi and call him Goku based upon the the whole "Martial Arts Expert" s***. Warners just keeps on ripping off superhero franchise after superhero franchise.

[Marburystarbury]

Originally posted by guyverjay
The only crap thing around here is you:up:



Im offended :rolleyes: herb.

[Knightsaber Priss]

Originally posted by Marburystarbury
Im offended :rolleyes: herb.

How about you are a pig who deserves to be strung up by the balls for calling the Japanese such an outdated, racist term. I know alot of people might not have informed you of the fact that World War II has been over for quite a number of decades.

[Adenjo]

Originally posted by CrouchingGoblin HiddenSpiderman
I know alot of people might not have informed you of the fact that World War II has been over for quite a number of decades.
****!!! has it?
"KIDS.. We can finally come out of the air raid shelter!" :D


Hang on..... We..Did.. Win... Right? :D

[ViscaBarcaInter]

The Japanese are a fine, honourable, advanced society.

Doesn't mean that Dragonball isn't a living abortion of a creation, nor should it be accepted by anyone who is over the age of 3 or of complete mental development.

[Adenjo]

My eldest (6) watches Dragon ball.. or Dragonballz..or whatever it's called...
He thinks it's cool.. All I see is VERY bad animation, dodgy female characters with the faces of young girls but with HUGE tits (in todays present climate.. something i'm seriously unsure about)
In short Dragon ball..... Tom and Jerry it aint :D

Now.. The new He-man cartoons.. They rock! :up:

[Knightsaber Priss]

I like DBZ. It's based upon a Manga that goes into more detail than the Anime was possible to go into.

[Knightsaber Priss]

Originally posted by Adenjo
My eldest (6) watches Dragon ball.. or Dragonballz..or whatever it's called...
He thinks it's cool.. All I see is VERY bad animation, dodgy female characters with the faces of young girls but with HUGE tits (in todays present climate.. something i'm seriously unsure about)
In short Dragon ball..... Tom and Jerry it aint :D

Now.. The new He-man cartoons.. They rock! :up:

I prefer the old ones better. At least they have the entetaining cheese factor. In short, I hate the new cartoons based upon popular 80's cartoons like Armada and the new MOTU. Oh and just a note of Trivia here, the same animation company behind the G1 Transformers cartoons also animated Dragonball and DBZ. I'm not too sure about Dragonball GT. So don't go insulting Toei or I will have to get angry and stomp your city flat.

[Knightsaber Priss]

Originally posted by Adenjo
****!!! has it?
"KIDS.. We can finally come out of the air raid shelter!" :D


Hang on..... We..Did.. Win... Right? :D

Well, based upon the actions of our current president, I'd say Hitler won.

[Adenjo]

The new He man is far superior to the MOTU... Storywise and animation wise....
No longer is Prince Adam simply Heman in a pink outfit.. Now Adam and He man are different (physically) characters...
Heman now has a half decent explaination as to why he exists..As do the sorceress and Castle Greyskull.

Dragonball however.. Is still a very badly put together toon.. A statement I could never take back.


ps I'm way too old to still be watching cartoons... I really should get a life :D

[Adenjo]

Originally posted by CrouchingGoblin HiddenSpiderman
Well, based upon the actions of our current president, I'd say Hitler won.
Damn you mr Churchill! You let us down!!!!

[Knightsaber Priss]

Originally posted by Adenjo
The new He man is far superior to the MOTU... Storywise and animation wise....
No longer is Prince Adam simply Heman in a pink outfit.. Now Adam and He man are different (physically) characters...
Heman now has a half decent explaination as to why he exists..As do the sorceress and Castle Greyskull.

Dragonball however.. Is still a very badly put together toon.. A statement I could never take back.


ps I'm way too old to still be watching cartoons... I really should get a life :D

You just don't understand. The 80's MOTU was entertaining because of its cheesiness. It was all just a 30 minute toy commercial. That's why I have to roll my eyes when they treat MOTU as a serious kind of thing. There's no sense of fun there.

How is DBZ badly put together? Compared to mind numbing dreck like Yu-Gi-Oh (Which is nothing more than two characters playing a freaking card game!) and Beyblades (*sarcasm* Oooh! Spinning Tops colliding with each other is so entertaining. *sarcasm*) the Dragonball series of cartoons are brilliant. At least the DRagonball characters are actually doing something that makes sense compared to animated card games and spinning tops battling each other.

[Adenjo]

Mate I never said BB or Y-G-O was good :D

I've just got a hatred for that type of animation... I hate the fact that gaps between the animation and the American dialogue always leads to at least one character standing open mouthed with a ridiculous "Huh?" in at least one scene of every episode.

I suppose it could be a generation thing.. I was raised in a time when cartoons usually consisted of one character spending two-five minutes of a cartoon using various household tools to beat seven shades of crap out of another character (god bless Tom and Jerry)...
I just hate THAT type of cartoon....

But, I still love the new He man cartoon.. serious stories and all :D

[Bay]

I love the D-Z cartoons, I watched it when I was a kid and I have liked it since then, but there's no way that Goku could beat Superman. As much as I like D-Z, Superman's an icon and I love it much more.

[Marburystarbury]

I wasnt being racist against Japanese people. I was just using the word japs for short.

[TheBatman1979]

Two things. One, Superman can crush Goku with his pinky finger.
Two, Dragonball is lame. Watch real anime like Samuri X, Ninja Scroll, Vampire Hunter D*1&2*, Azumi, Ghost in the Shell, Wicked City, Gundam, M D Geist ect ect ect.

[MJB]

Originally posted by TheBatman1979
Two things. One, Superman can crush Goku with his pinky finger.
Two, Dragonball is lame. Watch real anime like Samuri X, Ninja Scroll, Vampire Hunter D*1&2*, Azumi, Ghost in the Shell, Wicked City, Gundam, M D Geist ect ect ect.


Man you're insane, Superman is no match for Goku, Goku can lay waste to an entire planet. Goku has incrediable fighting skills, while Supes relays on his power and invulnerablity more so then fighting skills. Don't get me wrong, Supes is my favorite, but block out the some of the cheesey and silly elements of DBZ, and look at Goku is terms of fighting and power, and you should know that Supes is going down.

[Knightsaber Priss]

Originally posted by TheBatman1979
Two things. One, Superman can crush Goku with his pinky finger.
Two, Dragonball is lame. Watch real anime like Samuri X, Ninja Scroll, Vampire Hunter D*1&2*, Azumi, Ghost in the Shell, Wicked City, Gundam, M D Geist ect ect ect.

Um......I hate to tell you but 99.9% of those anime are geered for adults which is quite unfair to the brilliant Teen geered epic that is Dragonball Z. I mean would you show a film like Akira to a kid of 11? If you do than I seriously question your values for screwing up a child's head. If you want to go with bragging rights as to what is the most brilliant Anime ever, Spirited Away kicks all their asses. You tell me what Anime has an Oscar for best animated picture.

[Marburystarbury]

Originally posted by MJB
Man you're insane, Superman is no match for Goku, Goku can lay waste to an entire planet. Goku has incrediable fighting skills, while Supes relays on his power and invulnerablity more so then fighting skills. Don't get me wrong, Supes is my favorite, but block out the some of the cheesey and silly elements of DBZ, and look at Goku is terms of fighting and power, and you should know that Supes is going down.



LMAO. Goku would get owned by superman. Superman is too fast for goku.

[ViscaBarcaInter]

Originally posted by CrouchingGoblin HiddenSpiderman
Um......I hate to tell you but 99.9% of those anime are geered for adults which is quite unfair to the brilliant Teen geered epic that is Dragonball Z. I mean would you show a film like Akira to a kid of 11? If you do than I seriously question your values for screwing up a child's head. If you want to go with bragging rights as to what is the most brilliant Anime ever, Spirited Away kicks all their asses. You tell me what Anime has an Oscar for best animated picture.

Teen geared epic?

You MUST be joking.

If by teen, you mean 8 year olds, then maybe. A cartoon like Batman can be watched by teens, because it's not violent enough to be totally adult, yet contains enough character driven stories and plots to be interesting to non child viewers.

Dragonball is little more than stupid names, bad animation and wierd noises. In fact, maybe it IS for teens, because you'd need to be a typical teen alcoholic/pot head to enjoy such a thing. :rolleyes:

[Azrael84]

http://www.comics2film.com/DCG/art/Art13330.jpg

[Marburystarbury]

Originally posted by Azrael84
http://www.comics2film.com/DCG/art/Art13330.jpg

the link didnt work.

[super saiyan x]

Goku will totally own superman because he's way too strong and fast than any version of superman.

[super saiyan x]

Besides that , isn;t superman's weakness magic and kryptonite. If you tend to think about it, goku's powers are mysterious enough.

[super saiyan x]

LMAO. Goku would get owned by superman. Superman is too fast for goku.




Goku can move at the speed of light while superman can't because as the rule goes, flash has to be quicker than him who doesn;t quite reach it out of the fear of merging with the speed force.

[Guyverjay]

LMAO. Goku would get owned by superman. Superman is too fast for goku.


bwhahahahahaa.....no.

Goku would wreck Supermans ass soooooo badly. We're talking about the greatest martial arts master in the universe here (trained by gods) with the abilty to fight faster than light and reduce planets to dust with his little finger :up:

Teen geared epic?

You MUST be joking.

If by teen, you mean 8 year olds, then maybe. A cartoon like Batman can be watched by teens, because it's not violent enough to be totally adult, yet contains enough character driven stories and plots to be interesting to non child viewers.

Dragonball is little more than stupid names, bad animation and wierd noises. In fact, maybe it IS for teens, because you'd need to be a typical teen alcoholic/pot head to enjoy such a thing. :rolleyes:

So I take it its not your cup of tea then?:p

Then again since so many people over the age of eight actually like it that kind of leaves your little theory in tatters doesn't it? Talk about generalisation:( Dragonball is a comedy/action shonen anime. Always has been. Its not supposed to be serious like Batman:rolleyes: The Japs have a crap load of anime that caters for that. Bah who cares anyway since Drgaonball has always outsold Batmans ass. In fact most manga (even the crappy ones) do:D

[GarudA]

What is this doing in the Superman Returns forum? it should be in the Comics section, mods will soon move it

[Guyverjay]

What is this doing in the Superman Returns forum? it should be in the Comics section, mods will soon move it


Blame Krpton, he ALWAYS make these threads in the wrong places

[wildetw]

All the pokemon/dragon balls fanatics need to fnd ther way out of the superman boards and go over to pokemon.com cause it sounds like some of you are gonna have freakin heart attacks. If you think Goku,(who ever the hell that is) is the best, fine! Go tell someone who gives a *****.

[Guyverjay]

Wahh Wahhh stop crying. It was a Superman fan that made this crappy thread:p

[The Incredible Hulk]

so it took you 11+ months to think up a retort to this? :confused:

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

MOVE THIS THREAD.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SUPERMAN RETURNS.

oh, btw, goku would be annihilated by superman, if they ever had a confrontation :o

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

so it took you 11+ months to think up a retort to this? :confused:

sometimes... the brain just shuts down.... goes into hibernation, that sort of thing...

im inclined to think that something like this happened in this misplaced thread

[super saiyan x]

How do you explain doomsady beating superman in a fistfight?

[Prometheous Pt2]

It takes Goku at least 3 weeks to power up for a powerful attack, I think Superman would have ripped his legs off buy then. Hell Doomsday would whip Gokus ass.

[Bad Superman]

who is stronger?

ssj4 goku or the prime of supes?


Neither can compare to my power. . . .both would be killed in an instant if they dare face me. And by the way, close this pathetic and weak thread.

http://surbrook.devermore.net/streetfighter/bison.jpg

[super saiyan x]

How the heck would he stand a chance against goku?

[super saiyan x]

No offense to anybody but Goku is just too fast for that krypto the superboy

[super saiyan x]

It's been proven in wizard magazine what will happen if the two ever met.



Here's the magazine....http://www.dangergirl.4mg.com/images/prev_wizard_133_s.jpg Goku precisely won.

[super saiyan x]

I love superman, but really Goku takes the fight hands down.

[Pickle-El]

'Nuther disgruntled fan.......Goku couldn't even take out The Bats without preptime. :o

[Rob-el]

Why is this in a Superman Returns thread?

[Zigno]

what a stupid thread....

and... goku wins. vegeta seems stronger than doomsday.

[Evelisse]

Why is this in a Superman Returns thread?

Because Goku touches himself.

[Zues4Life]

I think that Goku in any Super Sayain form is dangerous.I think that he would pose a real threat to the Man of Steel but Superman would win.It would be one of the best fights in comic history but in the end,the Man of Steel would prevail.I'd rather see them team up one day than beat each other's brains out.

[dpm07]

It really depends on what form Goku is fighting in. It also depends on who is writing the story. Goku in SuperSaiyan form would probably beat Superman. However, Superman 1,000,000 might have a better chance. That would be a better battle realistically.

[American_Hobo]

okay..Goku has to win...(if you know about DragonBall and knows how strong Goku is, you'll know it)

[GarudA]

Who Gives F about who wins in a fight? whats next, oh! "Pikachu Vs Superman" LoL

[KrypJonian]

okay..Goku has to win...(if you know about DragonBall and knows how strong Goku is, you'll know it)
Please, I can already see it....

Goku charges up and screams for about 20 minutes, then blasts Superman. As the smoke clears, you see his smile turn to a frown. Inner monologue: what? that cannot be. Nobody has reached power level 32,465,900. Then Superman flicks him unconscious.

Lord, Dragon ball sucks,any incarnation.

BTW- I'm flabbergasted this lasted for 3 pages...

[GarudA]

Please, I can already see it....

Goku charges up and screams for about 20 minutes, then blasts Superman. As the smoke clears, you see his smile turn to a frown. Inner monologue: what? that cannot be. Nobody has reached power level 32,465,900. Then Superman flicks him unconscious.

Lord, Dragon ball sucks,any incarnation.

BTW- I'm flabbergasted this lasted for 3 pages...

:up:

[hannibalistic]

goku owns superman... superman isnt even that powerful.... goku is fast, stronger and is a better fighter.... all of his techniques are magic, so even the weakest character in dbz could beat supes.... they are all insanely fast, all of them can move at a rate that a normal person couldnt even see what was going on... get over it.... superman isnt that great.... the hulk is stronger than superman, captain marvel can beat superman....

lets not even get started with goku....

[The Riddler]

Please, I can already see it....

Goku charges up and screams for about 20 minutes, then blasts Superman. As the smoke clears, you see his smile turn to a frown. Inner monologue: what? that cannot be. Nobody has reached power level 32,465,900. Then Superman flicks him unconscious.

Lord, Dragon ball sucks,any incarnation.

BTW- I'm flabbergasted this lasted for 3 pages...

lmfao.

add a few zero's behind 32,465,900 and you get the picture at how strong goku is. by ssj4, goku is so powerful i doubt numbers could measure it.

he is faster than even light, traveling through whole galexies in seconds. superman isn't even a match. goku's sons could rape superman.

since you guys don't know much about dbz, imagine goku=martial arts skills 10 times that of batman's at greater than the speed of the flash and strength that surpasses nearly all the dc superheroes combined. :up:

think about this: WIZARD MAGAZINE HAD GOKU BEATING SUPERMAN AT SSJ1. JUST IMAGINE WHAT GOKU COULD DO TO SUPES AT SSJ4...

[Outsiderzedge]

Its usually only people who know nothing about DBZ except what they see on cartoon network that think Superman has a chance or can even win. Anyone who knows both characters well knows that Goku would decimate Supes.

[The Game]

Its usually only people who know nothing about DBZ except what they see on cartoon network that think Superman has a chance or can even win. Anyone who knows both characters well knows that Goku would decimate Supes.

Not sure about decimate, but some of the clowns on this thread know nothing about DBZ/GT, thats why your hearing fan boy comments.

DISGUSTYA

[super saiyan x]

It takes Goku at least 3 weeks to power up for a powerful attack, I think Superman would have ripped his legs off buy then. Hell Doomsday would whip Gokus ass.

lol...doomsday killed superman only taking about half of metropolis while Goku has enough power to destory the world with a single punch. Even Batman beat superman.

[saint sinner x]

ahahhahahahhahahhaha...you guys are funny as hell, goku can teleport and blow up the whole universe with a single thought plus goku is probably stronger than superman and the kamehame is more powerful than superman..plus if goku has the seven dragon balls he can use it agaisnt superman and to yes superman is DUMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[super saiyan x]

Superman is my favorite American superhero and Goku is my favorite Japanese hero. To break it down, lets use the point system.


1) Natural birth abilities- Superman is from Krypton. On that planet he is a normal alien. On any other planet, he can use the sun to use superhuman abilities.


Goku is from the planet Vegeta. Goku is a saiyan. Saiyans have a natural tendency to fight, and are naturally stronger than humans.


Score: Superman-0,Goku-0


2) Experience- Sups didn't start developing his powers until he was a teenager. And then he became Superboy with the help of his superdog, Krypto.


Goku has been fighting since he was 5 years old. Goku has constantly been geting stronger as he grew. He didn't learn as many abilities as Superman, but he didn't have a dog to help him out.


Score: Still a tie


3) Special Abilities-


Superman-Superspeed, Superstrength, ability to fly, ice breath, able to withstand bullets, able to jump high, superhearing, x-ray vision(a fav for women),eye beam


Goku-Superspeed, Superstrength, ability to fly, able to withstand bullets, able to jump high, teleportation, Kamehameha, Kaio Ken(which more than triples his speed strength, and hearing), Spirit bomb. The point is, Goku's attacks are more useful in battle


Score: Superman-0, Goku-1


4) Transformations-


Clark Kent goes inside a telephone booth, pulls off his suit and glasses, and is Superman.


Goku- If Goku looks at the moon, he becomes a giant ape. Also, there is the famous "Super Saiyan", where Goku's strength goes through the roof! P.S: Goku has 4 different levels of Super Saiyan.


Points: Superman-0, Goku-2


5) Death-Superman died while fighting Doomsday and then was resurrected.


Goku- death is no big thing for him. Goku still trains while dead(how do you think he learned Kaio Ken and the Spirit bomb?). When Goku is brought back with the dragon balls, he is at least twice as strong as he was before he died.


Points: Superman-0, Goku-3


6) Babe factor- Chi Chi is pretty hot, but she nags too much. Besides, Lois is hotter.


Points: Superman-1, Goku-3


7) Training- Superman doesn't really train, he just saves the day.


Goku- always training, even in death


Points: Superman-1, Goku-4


8) Weaknesses- Superman can be a bit naive at times, and he has that little thing against Kryptonite. With kryptonite, George W Bush can beat Superman like a four year old at K-mart!


Goku is a bit more naive than the man of steel, but he doesn't have to worry about Kryptonite.


Points: Superman-1, Goku-5


So I guess the fight will go like this: Superman and Goku will play mercy to test each others strength. Then they will start trading blows and special attacks. Superman will seem to have the upper hand! But wait! Goku is pulling his ace out of his sleeve! Goku has gone super saiyan! It's over folks!

[AmbientFire]

ok, i have to know - are you guys comparing Goku to Superman (ordinary) or Superman Prime as the original poster was asking? cuz that alters the entire thing ALTOGETHER - there was some guy out here who posted the info on superman prime like a gazillion trillion times, so i'm not going to do that but... you are comparing the wrong version of superman when you compare ordinary superman vs. SSj4 Goku!

[super saiyan x]

ok, i have to know - are you guys comparing Goku to Superman (ordinary) or Superman Prime as the original poster was asking? cuz that alters the entire thing ALTOGETHER - there was some guy out here who posted the info on superman prime like a gazillion trillion times, so i'm not going to do that but... you are comparing the wrong version of superman when you compare ordinary superman vs. SSj4 Goku!



OH COME ON!!!! Have you ever seen Goku Fight? Did you see him fight Cell? If you did you know theres no way Superman could match that. Gokus martial arts skills alone could take out Supes. If a KAMEHAMEHA wave counts as magic he will be roast ham in 10 seconds. I haven't even mentioned the Spirit Bomb, remember what happened the last time he used it, he won someone who by God knows is stronger than doomsday altogether! Superman coudn't even beat Thor of Asgard in which Goku won't have trouble beating at all.

[super saiyan x]

Question for pre- crisis superman fans:

Kid Buu comes to destroy earth, what are you going to do?

Kid Buu powers:
1. Capable of light speeds and instantanious transmission.
2. Can blow up an entire solar system in less than a minute. (you have 6 or 7 minutes tops to figure out a plan if you're batman, but it won't work since it would be too late.)
3. If you do have enough power to blow him up, he is going to reform.
4. Stretching ability
5. Healing factor that is greater than Hulk, Lobo, or Wolverine could ever dream of.
6. He turns others into candy and eats them.
7. He screams and rips holes in dimentions for travel if needed.

This looks like a job for super.... wait hold on... Goku.

[mopho]

lol must of people her say that dragon ball sucks, if u go to a db board ull read superman sucks whos right?

[hannibalistic]

^^^the dragonball fans.... goku is just stronger, faster and a better fighter.... and he has more faith in humanity than superman ever will.... he gave his life against his brother to save the earth from the sayians, then against cell so that gohan could beat him.... then later so that goten and trunks could beat buu and finally so that the dragonballs would ceaase to exist and human fight their own god damn battles....

goku is for the people, superman isnt....

[newmexneon]

I dont think that goku is physically stronger than superman. Who do you guys think would win in an arm wrestling match?

[super saiyan x]

I dont think that goku is physically stronger than superman. Who do you guys think would win in an arm wrestling match?



I think that superman, the pre-crisis one, can probably beat goku in his normal form if you are talking about strength, but when Goku goes super saiyan then it's pretty much a one sided victory. Superman is strong, yes, but can he hurl fireballs capable of of incinerating planets? Superman is a good fighter, but has he mastered pretty much every martial art techinque ever created? Both are fast, but Goku can teleport instantly with the instant transmision! Goku can do all this without even going super saiyan! Imagine what will happen if Goku faced someone like doomsday...for christ sakes people, this guy won't even stand a chance in the dbz world as oppose to if goku was living in the modern dc world, a Goku vs superman match will be like a match against The savage Hulk vs Aunt May. What I'm trying to say is that Goku will win this with no hesitation whatsoever.


You'll probably want to sent the invitations to superman's second funeral! :unishr:



The magazine again..... http://www.dangergirl.4mg.com/images/prev_wizard_133_s.jpg... Goku annihilated Supes.

[aquiles]

superman beats him

[Detective Flass]

Superman owns Goku.

It's the Jew Vs. The Jap....and it's not even WWII!

[super saiyan x]

Superman owns Goku.

It's the Jew Vs. The Jap....and it's not even WWII!


I herd that a canadian brought up the idea of superman....so stop being ignorant.

[Super Kal]

Wizard said that Goku beats Superman, end of discussion

[The Riddler]

Wizard said that Goku beats Superman, end of discussion

yes, at super saiyan 1...

by super saiyan 4, goku is so powerful he can kill superman by just looking at him.

no kidding. in gt he actually destroys things by looking at them.

[AmbientFire]

Super SaiyanX - Do you have any idea who Superman Prime is?

[super saiyan x]

Super SaiyanX - Do you have any idea who Superman Prime is?


Yes, but the pre-crisis superman is the most strongest superman of them all. In the magazine Goku beat that very exact superman.

[The Riddler]

Super SaiyanX - Do you have any idea who Superman Prime is?

it doesn't make a difference to the outcome of the battle.

[AmbientFire]

SuperSaiyan, Pre-crisis Superman is NOT the most powerful version of superman by a longshot, and Rjddler, you might also want to take a look at this - Goku is powerful bu i knw there have been opponents that were not affected by his SSj4 kamehameha (i forget the particular opponents name, but he was destroyed by some sort of precipitation and not the kamehameha- really weird)


PERSONAL DETAILS SUPERMAN PRIME

CODENAME: Superman Prime

ALTER EGO: Kal-El of Krypton

OCCUPATION: Head of the Superman Dynasty, defender of humanity and her allies.

MARITAL STATUS: Married to Lois Lane M*

KNOWN RELATIVES: Lois Lane M* (wife), Jor-El M* and Lara M* (parents)

GROUP AFFILIATION: The original Justice League and the Commonwealth of Humanity.

BASE OF OPERATIONS: The New Krypton in the 853rd century.

HAIR: Golden EYES: Golden

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ESTABLISHED VARIANTS

SUPERMAN

Superman Prime is conceived as the current Superman who is still alive in the 853rd century. Crucially ties from the current Superman to Superman Prime and the Superman Dynasty are fuzzy. It should be remembered that this is only a potential future for our Superman.

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BIOGRAPHY/PROFILE

The legend began in the last years of the second millennium anno Domini with a birth not of this Earth. That child was Kal-El of Krypton, the sole survivor of a cataclym that destroyed one of the most advanced and ancient civilations in the galaxy. Kal-El was raised as a normal human child by the Kansas farmers Jonathan and Martha Kent. It was their love and care that would transform one of the world's most powerful individuals from the product of a cold alien civilisation into one of the most noble and charismatic men alive. Under the Earth-name of Clark Kent he was a reporter for the Metropolis Daily Planet where he worked with his future wife Lois Lane. Kal-El is however more widely known by the name, Superman.

It was as the costumed "super-hero" Superman (an identity designed to preserve his privicay as Clark Kent and to protect his adopted family) that Kal-El had his biggest impact. He was the leader of Earth's superhuman (and often much of the human) community and served as the role model that all subsequent heroes were measured by. In his career he saved the world from the threats of interstellar invasion, natural disaster and the continued activities of a cadre of "super-villains" (including the original , the early Bizarros and the sentient anti-sun Solaris). During this time Superman rose to the height of his activities, married his beloved Lois, served as leader to the Justice League and acted as mentor to a new generation of heroes.

The vast Kryptonian powers that served to make him Superman also made Kal-El essentially immortal. He would watch as he outlived his parents, then his friends and then even his wife Lois. Still serving as the world's foremost champion he began to slow as the sadness of the losses began to mount. Legend then tells how close to the end of the twenty first century Superman Prime (as history will remember Kal-El) passed the responsibilities of being Superman to his heir, Superman Secundus, and created the Superman Dynasty. Then one day he left Earth for the vast reaches of time and space was not to be seen for another sixty seven millennia. In his absence Superman Secundus proved to be more that ready for the challenge and his descendants carried on the crusade long after he died.

As the centuries turned into millennia the Supermen and Superwomen of the House of El went with humanity into the stars. That is not to say that their initial presence was constant, notable times when Supermen/women were not in evidence include the period after the second Khund invasion (twenty fifth century) and the late 30th century era of the Legion of Superheroes. Old hatreds were placed aside with the alliance of the descendants of Lex Luthor and the Superman Dynasty in the 322nd century. New powers were added to the Dynasty with the marriage of the 67th century Superman to Queen Gzntplzk of the Fifth Dimension, their descendants would be the heroes of two different dimensions with one line of the family becoming the Supermen and Superwomen of the Fifth Dimension.

Through all the evolution and growth of the Superman Dynasty only one foe remained implacable to the bitter end. Solaris, the sentient sun, had been created as part of temporal paradox in the late twentieth century by that era's Justice League and a time travelling Justice Legion A as the last resort to stop the Hourman Virus. Starman M* had then given his life to banish Solaris before its genesis destroyed the System. Since that time Solaris had two goal: to replace the Earth's sun with himself and the destruction of the Superman Dynasty. He had fought Superman Prime with vast trans-temporal schemes, Superman Secundus with a plan to shift the planet out of their orbits and various other Supermen with plots that ranged from sentient comets to scorched Earth rampages.

One of greatest battles between Solaris and the Superman Dynasty would come in the 505th century when Solaris bombarded the System with wave after wave of deadly radiation. He watched from a distance as this cancer causing radiation condemned hoards to a horrible death. When no other plan or scheme was left that era's Superman together with the Gravity Witch and Singularity IV carried the battle to the distant Solaris. In a manoeuvre that stands out even in the history of the House of El those heroes collapsed entire spatial dimensions to create legions to duplicate Supermen that threw themselves as Solaris. Their sacrifice allowed the true Superman to make his own sacrifice to reprogram Solaris at the cost of his life. From that day onwards Solaris was changed and became a benefit to mankind as a servant rather than a tyrant or killer.

Initially Solaris was incapable of independent thought, but slowly his intelligence began to reassert itself within his new programming and the tyrant that had once been the bane of the Superman Dynasty actually served along side them in the Justice League of the Atom. However it was always Superman who shone the brightest with courage and valour compared to the flawed Solaris. Cycles change and over time Solaris became very influential due to his shear age. When the human civilisation moved towards universal paranoia Solaris was at his height of influence as he founded the imperialist Pancosmic Justice Jihad. It gripped the System in a choke hold of fear and lies, even pushing aside the Superman Dynasty for a time.

The fear lasted until one day at the turn of the 700th century AD when a haggard and haunted figure descended out of the skies above the planet Earth. Superman Prime, Kal-El of Krypton, the original Superman had returned to his adopted home. He had been places and dimensions that few had even knew of and even fewer understood. He had wrestled with gods and demons. He had overturned hell and fought his way past the gates of Heaven looking for the soul of beloved Lois who due to his immortality he could never join in the afterlife. A haunted figure as removed from humanity as he had ever been his presence still caused a revolution in human society. To many it was the second coming of a legend from the past creating a spiritual revival and even worship of him from some, but he was beyond such social convention at that time.

Emotionally drained and exhausted Superman Prime sought out the current generation of the Superman Dynasty. Protect the Earth and her people and he would grant them powers beyond even those of a Kryptonian. With the covenant forged the Prime Superman retreated into the System's Sun there he became a living catalyst that redirected pure solar energy to his descendants radically increasing their abilities. His new Fortress of Solitude became a chrysalis for Superman Prime, renewing and healing him as he slept through the centuries.

In the years following Superman Prime's return the Superman Dynasty and the System under went a rebirth, the PPJ and Solaris' influence gave way to the formation of the Justice Legions with a Superman as their leader. Humans continued to evolve and many legends were reborn, the Amazons of myth returned to the System, the Starman Dynasty restarted and the ability of human achievement once again meant something. The increasing openness of human society also meant greater ties across the cosmos with the foundation of the United Galaxies and the Galactic Macronet of interconnected solar-computers. Amid this Solaris was once again relegated to the System's second power source under the care of the Starman Dynasty.

The Superman Dynasty as Earth's defenders found themselves acting on bigger and bigger scales, over seeing treaty negotiations in the Fifth Dimension, Justice Legion teams across the Galaxy and even the Superman Squad (a group of Supermen from many eras who band together to defend the timestream). Through all this there was the knowledge that Superman Prime's hibernation within the Super-Sun was of finite length and the eventual day of his return was known. Plans were laid for a celebration to commemorate the event and a series of Challenges were planned where the Justice Legion A would swap places with the Justice League of America from the twentieth century and allow its members to attend the celebrations.

Every last detail of the deep time travel and Challenges had been planned by Hourman yet he could not foresee developments with Solaris. Starman M* had accidentally reactivated Solaris' original evil programming. Solaris had then formed an alliance with Starman M* and Vandal Savage. The plan was both complex and simple, Savage would search Mars for the Knight Fragment>, legendary the last known piece of Kryptonite, while Starman M* would go with the Justice Legion A into the past and make sure that the Knight Fragment was actually buried on Mars. When Savage had unearthed the Fragment it would then be used to assassinate Superman Prime as he emerged from the Sun. The plan relied on keeping the Justice Legion and the Justice League occupied and dead if possible.

When the Justice Legion swapped places with the League they discovered that Solaris had booby trapped Hourman III with the so called Hourman Virus. The Virus was a nanite-virus that attacked computer and humans alike. It took the combined reasoning abilities of Superman M* and Batman M* to deduce that the only thing that could find a cure for the Virus was a sentient sun. They would have to build Solaris in the twentieth century. After completion it was revealed that the Hourman Virus was actually Solaris' core programming sent into the past to make sure of his own creation. In the last moment Starman M* gave his life to give Solaris his first defeat. That is why centuries later Solaris would use Starman to get his revenge.

Meanwhile in the 853rd century the JLA were holding their own against Solaris until the tyrant sun decided to launch his final assault on Earth. Using the Justice Legion's tactical computer the League discovered that Solaris had never encountered a Green Lantern Power Ring before. This was to be his greatest weakness. Where as Solaris and Vandal Savage had schemed for years in this plan to defeat the Superman Dynasty, J'onn J'onzz the Martian Manhunter and Mitch Shelly the Resurrection Man on the suggestion of the Huntress II had been planning longer. In the twentieth century Starman M* had a change of heart and destroyed the Knight Fragment, later the Martian Manhunter buried the long lost power ring of the Green Lantern on Mars where it was found by Savage who thought that it was the Knight Fragment.

Solaris fired what he thought was the Knight Fragment at the Sun in order to kill Superman Prime just as Green Lantern retrieved a DNA sample from Solaris' core placed their when he was constructed by Superman M*. With the way clear Kyle then started a supernova reaction in Solaris' core and attempted to contain the explosion with his power ring. He was joined by Superman M* who used his force vision to help Kyle contain the explosion. Solaris was still surviving until Superman Prime suddenly reappeared from the Sun after fifteen thousand years of absorbing Solar energy and crushed the tyrant sun once and for all with the Green Lantern Ring that Solaris had inadvertently given him.

In the aftermath of Solaris' destruction a lot was revealed about Superman Prime's hibernation in the Sun. He had been waiting for Solaris' attempt because he obviously remembered the events as his time travelling younger self had been there. He knew about the DNA sample in Solaris' core and together with Lzyxm Ltpkz (the Superman of the Fifth Dimension) they turned it inside out resurrecting his beloved, who he had searched Heaven and Hell for. After searching for her across space and time, he had retreated into the sun to await her return and now a silver Lois Lane and a golden Superman Prime were reunited. In all the time since her death life had held no meaning or warmth for him, but now he was complete once more.

As part of the celebrations of the reunion of Lois and Superman Hourman III used the Worlogog to reach back into the last seconds of Krypton, take a moment transport that to the future and recreate the planet and its people including Jor-El and Lara. This world of New Krypton orbiting the yellow sun Solaris II would become the Homeworld of the Superman Dynasty. In the end Superman Prime had endured the torture and passage of the lonely years safe in the knowledge that somewhere in the future everything would be made right.

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ABILITIES AND EQUIPMENT

SUPERMAN PRIME

Kal-El at his height as Superman in the twentieth and twenty first centuries was one of the most powerful of the founding superheroes. Like all Kryptonians exposed to a yellow sun his cells became living solar batteries absorbing solar energy and literally supercharging every natural physical ability he possessed. He possessed vast super strength, was nigh invulnerable to anything short of a nuclear blast and possessed the ability to fly by shear effort of will. This Kryptonian powers also granted him numerous sensory abilities including perception of the vast majority of the EM spectrum, telescopic vision and super hearing. At will he could also expel stored solar energy out of his eyes as a form of "heat ray". His only vulnerabilities were the radioactive mineral Kryptonite and a susceptibility to magical influence.

It is not recorded what happened to Superman Prime during his long exile from Earth, but it is believed that he learned much about himself and his powers. While the powers of the Superman Dynasty evolved over the years Superman Prime did not gain the extra mental powers or sensory abilities obtained by the union with the Fifth Dimension. Upon his return it became evident that he had certainly changed becoming almost god like in terms of power. There is evidence for this in his resurrection of Lois Lane (with help from Lzyxm Ltpkz) and his covenant with the Superman Dynasty. The Superman Prime that appeared out of the sun in the year 85,271 is certainly the most powerful member of the Superman Dynasty ever seen and it is quite conceivable that he is now a New God despite his returned humanity. It should be also noted that Superman Prime is currently in possession of the last of the Green Lantern power rings.

SUPERMAN M* and the SUPERMAN DYNASTY

The Superman Dynasty is descended from the second Superman, Supermen Secundus and possesses Kryptonian like abilities. It would seem that the Kryptonian gene that gives a person solar powered abilities is a whole or nothing affair with a person either inheriting all the abilities or none. Then again it is possible that the later generations of the Superman Dynasty did weaken requiring Superman Prime to act as a conduit to feed their powers (as evidenced by the weakening of Superman M* while in the twentieth century).

The sum of the abilities of the Superman Dynasty as displayed by Superman M* is quite impressive. He is capable to travelling faster than the speed of light (but only under the influence of the Super-Sun), he is also strong enough to punch through the time barrier, leap between planets and invulnerable to practically everything. Along with the traditional Kryptonian senses ten new abilities were added to the Dynasty by the marriage of a Superman to Queen Gzntplzk of the Fifth Dimension. These new abilities include techno-rapport (the ability to control computers), limited control of magnetism, genesis level intellect, super-ESP (a form of super-hypnosis), no longer as susceptible to magic, the ability to think billions of different lines of thought at the same time, etc. However all these abilities are dependent on the covenant with Supermen Prime, they are his gifts to give or revoke at will.

SOLARIS

Solaris was the first of the solar computers created in the late twentieth century. He is an artificial intelligence based on proton-proton computational reactions that harness the fusion process as a processor element. His central core consisted of a 853rd century quantum hard drive unit which contained a sample of DNA supplied from Lois Lane. He can interface and command virtually all known computer systems. Physically he can radiate extreme heat, radiation and microwave bursts in both focused beams and general stellar style emission. He can control the effect of his own gravity altering if from black hole like to almost negligible. However his greatest weapon was his "titanic intelligence" and criminal cunning.
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[super saiyan x]

SuperSaiyan, Pre-crisis Superman is NOT the most powerful version of superman by a longshot, and Rjddler, you might also want to take a look at this - Goku is powerful bu i knw there have been opponents that were not affected by his SSj4 kamehameha (i forget the particular opponents name, but he was destroyed by some sort of precipitation and not the kamehameha- really weird)


It's obvious to me that you have no absolute knowledge of what dragonball z/gt is so my statement still stands lol. Can your superman beat someone like kid buu who has the power to rip holes through other dimensions....guess again.





While Superman is a God in DC, this battle is all about desire. Superman is a hero, he doesn't fight 'good guys'. And Goku isn't exactly a villain. So while Superman will insist that there's no reason to fight, Goku likes fighting, the stronger the better, and he won't have any problems beating Supes black and blue.


Superman does have the advantage of being infalliable and NEVER losing, Goku's not so lucky, he got a sound thrashing from Vegeta the first time they went head to head, and got his ass handed to him by Cell. But Goku does fight stronger villians. Has Superman ever faced guys like Freiza or Brolli? No! He faces idiots like Darkseid, who use complicated plans and stupid henchmen to try take over Earth. If his Omega Beams are so damn powerful, why doesn't he just kill Superman and be done with it? Darkseid wouldn't last two seconds against someone like Goku. And Superman would be murdered by a guy like Brolli.


Superman has a clear advantage when it comes to strength however, but it won't be much of a factor once goku goes super saiyan. Superman can lift planets, and bounce bullets off his chest, but Goku knows how to battle...believe me when i say this, Goku can produce earth shattering punches. He's been doing it since he was a kid. Superman's offense consists entirly of punching really hard and using heat vision. Goku's arsenal is almost unlimited, and he packs a combitnation of speed and strength, that Superman has never encountered before. And as a bonus he has no stupid weakness, like kryptonite, to exploit.


But in the end the man of steel's downfall will be his humongous ego. For all his vaunted speed has Superman ever dodged a blow? Blocked anything? NO! He just stands around while his weak ass foes attacks just bounce off him. He'll just stand there confident that his super powers will let him win like always, while Goku smacks him around like Supes has never been smacked before. I'd like to see him try and bounce a Kame Hame Ha off his chest. Idiot.


Unless Superman has some new power that will tell him Goku will be his best friend if offered food(and given his scope of powers it's quite possible), Superman doesn't stand a chance. By the way.....your new superman sounds like a solar-powered battery. Superman really doesn't change in the future lmao. Goku only has to obliterate the sun from existence...End of story!!!

The God like Goku (After absorbing the dragonballs) vs superman prime

Winner: ....And the winner is Goku...who has the power to give life and also take it away.

[The Big One]

It's obvious to me that you have no absolute knowledge of what dragonball z/gt is so my statement still stands lol. Can your superman beat someone like kid buu who has the power to rip holes through other dimensions....guess again.





While Superman is a God in DC, this battle is all about desire. Superman is a hero, he doesn't fight 'good guys'. And Goku isn't exactly a villain. So while Superman will insist that there's no reason to fight, Goku likes fighting, the stronger the better, and he won't have any problems beating Supes black and blue.


Superman does have the advantage of being infalliable and NEVER losing, Goku's not so lucky, he got a sound thrashing from Vegeta the first time they went head to head, and got his ass handed to him by Cell. But Goku does fight stronger villians. Has Superman ever faced guys like Freiza or Brolli? No! He faces idiots like Darkseid, who use complicated plans and stupid henchmen to try take over Earth. If his Omega Beams are so damn powerful, why doesn't he just kill Superman and be done with it? Darkseid wouldn't last two seconds against someone like Goku. And Superman would be murdered by a guy like Brolli.


Superman has a clear advantage when it comes to strength however, but it won't be much of a factor once goku goes super saiyan. Superman can lift planets, and bounce bullets off his chest, but Goku knows how to battle...believe me when i say this, Goku can produce earth shattering punches. He's been doing it since he was a kid. Superman's offense consists entirly of punching really hard and using heat vision. Goku's arsenal is almost unlimited, and he packs a combitnation of speed and strength, that Superman has never encountered before. And as a bonus he has no stupid weakness, like kryptonite, to exploit.


But in the end the man of steel's downfall will be his humongous ego. For all his vaunted speed has Superman ever dodged a blow? Blocked anything? NO! He just stands around while his weak ass foes attacks just bounce off him. He'll just stand there confident that his super powers will let him win like always, while Goku smacks him around like Supes has never been smacked before. I'd like to see him try and bounce a Kame Hame Ha off his chest. Idiot.


Unless Superman has some new power that will tell him Goku will be his best friend if offered food(and given his scope of powers it's quite possible), Superman doesn't stand a chance. By the way.....your new superman sounds like a solar-powered battery. Superman really doesn't change in the future lmao. Goku only has to obliterate the sun from existence...End of story!!!

The God like Goku (After absorbing the dragonballs) vs superman prime

Winner: ....And the winner is Goku...who has the power to give life and also take it away.

*Claps* Well done, SSX. :D Couldn't have done it better myself. I mean really. I suck at debates like this.

[The Riddler]

i was just about to say that at the end of gt when goku absorbs the dragon balls, he essentially becomes a god.

then i saw it had already been mentioned.

then i remembered i didn't care.

[AmbientFire]

SaiyanX, hmm... i was curious as to whether or not you knew what supe's prime had been up to and what kind of abilities he possessed (and the notion somebody had that ssj1 goku could beat pre-crisis superman is amusing at best) - Your post more than answers/confirms my thoughts on the matter. nuff said

[ShadowBoxing]

almost all of the characters on DBZ could beat superman. They are all incrediblely too strong.

[White_Howling]

i don't really agree with dragon ball GT.. since it was just and extenstion of the tv series to earn more money.. the mangaka ended dragonball with Z and Gokus final form being SS3..

but if we go into GT... then damn.. SS4 with fusion would kill supes easily.. and the ending of him with the DBalls would make him a god.. for an easy win

[The Riddler]

i don't really agree with dragon ball GT.. since it was just and extenstion of the tv series to earn more money.. the mangaka ended dragonball with Z and Gokus final form being SS3..

but if we go into GT... then damn.. SS4 with fusion would kill supes easily.. and the ending of him with the DBalls would make him a god.. for an easy win
yes, but at ssj3 or in his fusion form (with vegeta) vegito, they would crush nearly all forms of superman with ease. vegito can put up more than a fight with even the strongest superman form.

by ssj4 and gogeta, any form of superman would be destroyed.

[The Riddler]

dragonballz is some crap japs made up. Superman would own super goku. This has been brought up so much. Goku cant take bullets or even needles for that fact.

lmfao.

[The Big One]

Ha ha, what a frickin' racist. I may big a big(well, not as big as some) Supes fan, but even I can admit that a SSJ4 Goku(Hell, if Trunks and Goten had fused in GT, they could probably take him out, and they didn't even train much), let alone SSJ4 Gogeta, could wipe Superman all over God's green earth and back.

[super saiyan x]

SaiyanX, hmm... i was curious as to whether or not you knew what supe's prime had been up to and what kind of abilities he possessed (and the notion somebody had that ssj1 goku could beat pre-crisis superman is amusing at best) - Your post more than answers/confirms my thoughts on the matter. nuff said


Well.....I think that you should get off from the coach and go buy the magazine. Goku will beat superman, but you are afraid to admit it.

[brainchild81]

Well.....I think that you should get off from the coach and go buy the magazine. Goku will beat superman, but you are afraid to admit it.Goku would beat Superman, but Wizard saying so isn't proof. Wizard says alot of things.

[super saiyan x]

Goku would beat Superman, but Wizard saying so isn't proof. Wizard says alot of things.

Goku has too much experience brainchild. Superman is just a whimp given great powers. I believe his ignorance will be his downfall.

[brainchild81]

Believe me. I agree with you. I can't stand Superman.

[The Riddler]

Goku has too much experience brainchild. Superman is just a whimp given great powers. I believe his ignorance will be his downfall.
not to mention goku's power makes a dwarf of superman's.

[AmbientFire]

SaiyanX, i went back to my old dbz books and took a cursory look at DBgt (even though the sheer crapitude of that show makes me retch a little in my mouth everytime) and i agree that SSJ4 Goku would beat Superman Prime. I just found two things really funny 1. that you compared pre-crisis superman to SSj4 Goku in your earlier posts (OF COURSE GOKU WINS UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES) SSJ1 Goku tho is something else entirely - he's powerful but not THAT powerful. If it came to fighting John Byrne's Superman of course Goku won - heck he prolly won without SSJ1 - Even Krillin's discs of embarassing maiming would knock Supes out 2. you had no idea what Superman Prime brought to the table before you declared SSJ4 Goku the winner.

In this case, you were right even though you didn't do your research, but it does dent your credibility just a smidge. But as I said, I went back and looked into the matter (Damn Vegeta's "final" sacrifice when he goes A-bomb on Buu is still awesome after all this time) and SSj4 Goku wins - even without kryptonite (and i have no reason to believe that kryptonite is any longer an issue for superman at that point). And the reason he wins is not because of superman's arrogance or unwillingness to fight (if the conditions we set up were that Superman and Goku are fighting, well DUH! superman is fighting too by definition) - So SSj4 Goku wins fair and square over Superman Prime.

[super saiyan x]

SaiyanX, i went back to my old dbz books and took a cursory look at DBgt (even though the sheer crapitude of that show makes me retch a little in my mouth everytime) and i agree that SSJ4 Goku would beat Superman Prime. I just found two things really funny 1. that you compared pre-crisis superman to SSj4 Goku in your earlier posts (OF COURSE GOKU WINS UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES) SSJ1 Goku tho is something else entirely - he's powerful but not THAT powerful. If it came to fighting John Byrne's Superman of course Goku won - heck he prolly won without SSJ1 - Even Krillin's discs of embarassing maiming would knock Supes out 2. you had no idea what Superman Prime brought to the table before you declared SSJ4 Goku the winner.

In this case, you were right even though you didn't do your research, but it does dent your credibility just a smidge. But as I said, I went back and looked into the matter (Damn Vegeta's "final" sacrifice when he goes A-bomb on Buu is still awesome after all this time) and SSj4 Goku wins - even without kryptonite (and i have no reason to believe that kryptonite is any longer an issue for superman at that point). And the reason he wins is not because of superman's arrogance or unwillingness to fight (if the conditions we set up were that Superman and Goku are fighting, well DUH! superman is fighting too by definition) - So SSj4 Goku wins fair and square over Superman Prime.

Experience is the only thing that will grant goku the victory...I'm glad that you admitted it. By the end of gt goku is literally a God so you can't compare him to any version of supes and believe me when i say this, supes does have a high ego lol.

[super saiyan x]

Goku only has to obliterate the sun from existence...by the end of gt goku had the powers of the dragon so lets just say that he will do just that....i find it hard to believe that superman will beat goku if he lost to a mere character like doomsday idiot. No offense to you or anybody else, but even frieza will beat the lights out of him.




As tough as Superman is, he's no match for Goku. Sure he has his heat vision,. but comapred to the Ki attacks Goku can fire off, such as the KamehameHa (Or better yet the CHOU KamehameHa...and then there's the Genki Dama!) Superman wouldn't be able to get close enough to Goku to do him any damage. Also, fast as Superman is, he can't teleport anywhere he's been before at will. Goku can (Instant Transmission. So I don't know the japanese name for this one. Sue me :P ) Besides that, superman never fights at light speeds so he isn't experience enough. Goku was fighting faster than the speed of light when he went up against frieza (notice that he was in his normal form.) By SS1, Goku could beat up most of the superman incarnations. (Hence wizard magazine since we don't have any other proof)


So we've established that Supes pretty much can't hurt Goku, nor is he faster. Now let's say Goku holds off on using his Ki attacks. He still has Superman out matched. Now I'll assume that in terms of raw strength, both are pretty much even. But when it comes to skill, I'd say Goku has Superman outmatched. Supes might have spent his teens and young adulthood learning martials arts, but Goku has the equivelent of almost a 1000 years worth of training in the martials arts because of the situations he's been in. No matter what Superman tries to do, Goku will be able to see it coming before and counter it, most likely doing Supes more damage than he WOULD have done to Goku.
Superman to get spanked like...umh...ung...like, someone getting, um...spanked...

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[The Big One]

Ah, I'm glad some one mentioned that Goku(without Ki blasts, SSJ power ups, ect.) would beat Superman just because of his incredible skill in martial arts. Geez, for a guy that studied different types of martial arts from all over the universe, Clark sure likes to stick to the "Okay, I'll punch him in the head really hard, and if he falls over, I'll know I've done well" strategy...

[brainchild81]

:D :D
:D :D

[Zues4Life]

Superman is the most powerful being in the universe.Plain and simple.

[brainchild81]

Only if you're a Supes fanboy who thinks Supes has the power to never get his a$$ kicked.

[etrigan69]

Depends, by the time of "The Cell Saga" or "Majin-Boo", yeah, he would stomp Supes a new one, easily. He is way faster, stronger and Supes ain't even in the same universe as far as Martial Arts goes. Plus Goku has a hard on for fighting.

I used to watch it as the Japanese version was being released. (I got tapes). The American version is much shorter and heavily edited. Was into way before 99% of American fans even heard of it. I got a Goku tattoo in 91'

Going into GT is just a crap idea.

[The Big One]

Superman is the most powerful being in the universe.Plain and simple.

....Next to Goku.

[The Riddler]

....Next to Goku.
correction: after goku

[zdragonali]

pleeeeeeeeeeeez goku could beat the crap out of superman while his whole body waz tied 2 a planet

[zdragonali]

pleeeeeeeeeeeez goku could beat the crap out of superman while his whole body waz tied 2 a planet

[KaptainKrypton]

The fact that someone actually scoured through and bumped this thread just further entrenches my lack of faith in humanity. Oh, well. Game on.

[Jimmy, GL]

I'm not sure whether to argue that SUpe's is better or just let people stew in their own little "Worst Jap Anime show" world. It is a very good debate. I was in one on another site. Superman eventually won out because anything that was brought up for Goku was immeadiately brought down byt Supe's abilities. Anyway I say Supe's is better, mostly because we have a smilie of him and not DBZ.

[dude love]

Look, I've said this once, I've said this twice, I'm not going to say it a second time. Superman gets his power from the sun. Goku's moveset consists of laser beams that use the sun for power. So if Goku where to keep hitting Superman with his laser beams, Superman would absorb the power and become more and more powerful. Eventually he'd have to release it. Ergo eye lasers = BBQ Goku.

[dnno1]

A lot of you DBZ fans believe that Son Goku is so dominant because of the various power levels, forms and/or transformations that he can assume. In actuality, since the crisis on infinite earths, Superman too has taken on other forms (levels) which I will cite here. Obviously, Superman (or Kal-El) is a Kryptonian so I will indicate his levels using the abbreviation SK (for Super Kryptonian). Take note that although these manifestations (if you want to call it that) did occur in the comics, the terminology that I am using to describe them are not necessarily official.

http://www.cardshark.com/online_store/images/rosblacksuit.jpg
Normal

This would be Superman in his normal form (un-powered by the sun). At this level he is just a normal Kryptonian, which is presumably far stronger than a normal human being.


Byrne's Weak Superman (SK-I) (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b188/dnno1/BigBardavsSuperman2.jpg)

This was Superman during the John Byrne era (circa 1986-1988). It's kind of sad to see him being shown up by the likes of Big Barda, but this Superman was powerful enough to withstand a 40 megaton nuclear blast (at ground zero) without any noticeable injuries (except for passing out after he hit the ground and tried to fly away).

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b188/dnno1/abberationsuperman.jpg
Aberration Superman
(from Superman v2 #89)

Superman reached this state after an uncontrolled absorption of solar radiation shortly after his death and recovery. Just as his absorption was uncontroled so was his powers (out of control).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9f/Superman_Blue.jpg/180px-Superman_Blue.jpg
Superman Red/Blue

This was believed to be a natural evolution of Superman's powers. In this form, Superman could phase through solid objects, see frequencies of energy, and draw power from electrical sources. In order to maintain physical cohesion in this form, he needs to wear a containment suit (and hence the change in costume). Since we will more that likely not see superman in these forms again I will not count them as legitimate forms.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b188/dnno1/sunbathedsuperman.jpg
Sun-dipped Superman (SK-II)
(from All Star Superman #1)

Superman can reach this level just by skimming the surface of the sun. In this state he has 3X the normal power of a (presumably) weak Superman - strong enough to lift more than 200 quintillion tons with one arm. Just for the record the earth weighs about 6 sextillion tons.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b188/dnno1/solarsaturatedsuperman.jpg
Sun-soaked Superman (SK-III)
(from Action Comics #782)

This is Superman after piercing through the heart of the sun, which makes him seem to be wreathed in flames, and gives him enough strength and power to move an entire dwarf planet.

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Power Cosmic Superman

Superman reached this state after being granted the Power Cosmic by Galactus in the 1999 Superman/FF crossover. In this state Reed Richards claimed that Superman was the second most powerful being in the universe. Of course this is more or less an elsworld tale so it should not be considered an official state.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b188/dnno1/SupermanPrimewithPowerRing.jpg
Superman Prime (SK-IV)
(from DC One Million #4)

This is Superman after dwelling in the heart of the sun for more than 800,000 years. The extent of his powers is unknown although he is considered to be near god at this point.

So Superman has power levels too now there. What do you guys think about that?

[cryptic name]

Goku will totally own superman because he's way too strong and fast than any version of superman.

pre crisis superman could move planets around

[Infinity9999x]

[QUTOE] Originally Posted by Zues4Life
Superman is the most powerful being in the universe.Plain and simple.[/QUOTE]

....Are you kidding me? How about the Spectre, the Endless? Most of the Gods in the DC universe? Not only that, but the Martians have simmilar powers to Superman.

Also Superboy Prime killed E2 Superman, who during COIE displayed silver age Superman power levels. Our Superman, (unless he's been greatly powered up very recently) no longer has that kind of power. So if SBP could kill a E2 Supes who's stronger then our Supes, then I'd also say that Superboy Prime is more powerful then Superman.

Superman is no where near the most powerfull being in the Universe.

[Darth Nihilis]

Um......I hate to tell you but 99.9% of those anime are geered for adults which is quite unfair to the brilliant Teen geered epic that is Dragonball Z. I mean would you show a film like Akira to a kid of 11? If you do than I seriously question your values for screwing up a child's head. If you want to go with bragging rights as to what is the most brilliant Anime ever, Spirited Away kicks all their asses. You tell me what Anime has an Oscar for best animated picture.

Agreed, and take into account most the people that bash DBZ and other such Anime have only seen the American versions, DBZ was actually watered down for the western audience, the Japanese versions are ALOT better.

[WhatsHisFace]

Goku vs. Superman? We've sunken to a new level of nerd-dom previously thought impossible. Unimaginable.

[hulkamania85]

Both would fall to Hulk Hogan's Atomic Leg Drop.

But Superman would get back up.:supes:

[A.J.Rimmer(BSC)]

Look, I've said this once, I've said this twice, I'm not going to say it a second time. Superman gets his power from the sun. Goku's moveset consists of laser beams that use the sun for power. So if Goku where to keep hitting Superman with his laser beams, Superman would absorb the power and become more and more powerful. Eventually he'd have to release it. Ergo eye lasers = BBQ Goku.

Despite all the to and fro on this pointless thread, the only move that Goku is does that is solar powered is the Solar Flare.

Where did you get that info from? Its wrong. Most DBZ attacks are ki based, similar to Iron Fist

[fuirandji]

Well, seems like nobody here knows anything about Dragon Ball! And yet they keep making comments about it!

About Goku:
- Goku can take bullets (he could even as a kid, when Bluma shot him in the HEAD and he didn't even had a scar).
- Goku is a hell fast, maybe not faster than Superman, but he has teleportation for those circumstances.
- Goku can produce energy balls and rays strong enough to destroy planets (his maxed kame hame ha would do it, not even talking about genki dama -spirit bomb- or kaioken, which he even takes at a x1000 rate, and which he can combine with Super Saiyajin forms).
- About, Super Saiyajin forms, he defeated Broli (who can destroy planets just merely using a single-handed energy bolt) in a SSJ-1 form, not even talking about what he would do to Superman or anyone else in a SSJ-4 form.
- Goku can survive in space without breathing (he could since the Freezer saga)
- Superman may hear a mile away, but Superman can feel a ki and track it galaxies away, like he did with Broli, not even missing the planet, he actually reached the right spot where he was.
- Finally, Goku is merged with the Dragon Balls, and he is a god. So screw Superman or anything else.

BTW: I think that if he can concentrate the universe energy in a Genki Dama, if you think like all the comic-writters, all the Kryptonyte energy of the universe would also be merged there. :hyper:

[GarudA]

Did you really need to bump this thread, just to say what has already been said a million times? Who gives a crap about who can win a fight?

[ZombieONE]

Well, seems like nobody here knows anything about Dragon Ball! And yet they keep making comments about it!

About Goku:
- Goku can take bullets (he could even as a kid, when Bluma shot him in the HEAD and he didn't even had a scar).
- Goku is a hell fast, maybe not faster than Superman, but he has teleportation for those circumstances.
- Goku can produce energy balls and rays strong enough to destroy planets (his maxed kame hame ha would do it, not even talking about genki dama -spirit bomb- or kaioken, which he even takes at a x1000 rate, and which he can combine with Super Saiyajin forms).
- About, Super Saiyajin forms, he defeated Broli (who can destroy planets just merely using a single-handed energy bolt) in a SSJ-1 form, not even talking about what he would do to Superman or anyone else in a SSJ-4 form.
- Goku can survive in space without breathing (he could since the Freezer saga)
- Superman may hear a mile away, but Superman can feel a ki and track it galaxies away, like he did with Broli, not even missing the planet, he actually reached the right spot where he was.
- Finally, Goku is merged with the Dragon Balls, and he is a god. So screw Superman or anything else.

BTW: I think that if he can concentrate the universe energy in a Genki Dama, if you think like all the comic-writters, all the Kryptonyte energy of the universe would also be merged there. :hyper:

this is an entertaining thread, it reminds me of a debate i had when i was 15 with a group of my friends. lol. i love this thread!

anyways, Goku could move as fast as the speed of light at the end of original dragonball and since Z he has only gotten faster.

supes would win based on one simple fact: he is invincible.
goku is near invincible and, if not powered up, can be bruised.

other than that fact, i'd give it to Goku...he has supes beat in almost every other category.

and to properly setup a match such as this, youd have to weigh in on basic traits and then special ones.

Basic:
Strength
Speed
Stamina
Vitality

Special:
Their unique Powers

ps- if goku wanted to cheeze superman, he could just teleport him to a planet with a red sun and end the fight in a second.

[dengueman]

Was it ever stated that Goku could move at the speed of light?
I do wonder how it always takes them long to reach a certain destination...

[ZombieONE]

Was it ever stated that Goku could move at the speed of light?
I do wonder how it always takes them long to reach a certain destination...


yeah, at the end of dragonball when he is getting ready to fight Tien it is mentioned that he can go as fast as the speed of light. he is able to go that fast after his training with Kami.

in DBZ, according to Akira Toriama the DBZ creator, when they "phase out" in a fight they are going the speed of light.

[Jplaya2023]

goku wins..

[hulkamania85]

My prediction is that in the DBZ universe the measurements for strength might be a little different than that of DC universe. So really freaking strong in the DBZ universe means he might get dominated when up against Superman.

Superman is just the man, plain and simple. He might have trouble against Thor and Capt. Marvel because they are magic, but Goku he's sure to beat.

[A.X.L]

strong enough to lift more than 200 quintillion tons with one arm. Just for the record the earth weighs about 6 sextillion tons.


he is considered to be near god at this point.



No wonder Superman is so boring...:o