SM3 Lizard Discussion

[thesinistersix]

I agree with The Lizard being in Spider-Man 3...just having The Green Goblin, although a different character, might have the casual movie-goer thinking "Didn't I already see a Spider-Man vs. Green Goblin?" movie. Throwing in The Lizard is a good move. It's a foregone conclusion that Green Goblin will be in 3.

I do think that a Spidey vs. Venom movie should happen, but probably won't. I don't think they'll get to a part 4. A Venom spin-off would most likely make a ton of cash, and they could have in the 1st Venom movie Venom vs. Carnage.

4 movies would be plenty...getting in the Spider-Man 16 range you're looking at Spidey vs. Rocket Racer, Spidey vs. The Grizzly, or even worse the clone saga.

[The Lizard]

An excuse for a friendly bump. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/WarEagle/lizardsmilie.bmp

http://www.sewergator.com/misc/sewerlizards.htm

Cute.

I don't even remember a Sci-Fi Network show called The Chronicle. It must not have lasted too long - big surprise.

[The Green Goblin]

Profile (http://cast.goblinjournals.com/Connors.html) is up for my (still in progress) Fanfic.

Suggestions/critiques welcome Liz. Differs slightly from the comics and totally the movies, but remains true at heart I think.

[The Lizard]

Profile (http://cast.goblinjournals.com/Connors.html) is up for my (still in progress) Fanfic.

Suggestions/critiques welcome Liz. Differs slightly from the comics and totally the movies, but remains true at heart I think.

Cary Elwes as Connors eh? Not a bad choice. I was originally leaning towards Eric Stoltz (http://imdb.com/name/nm0000655/) myself, but I can see where Elwes could work as well (Not that I have any problems with Dylan Baker other that the fact that he's slightly too old for the Connors role).

Everthing looks pretty good to me, including your Gulf War scenario.

The only things I'd correct on that page are things that are the fault of the early 80's Marvel Universe handbook info on the Lizard:
Powers and Abilities:

The Lizard possesses a number of superhuman powers endowed by his reptilian form, including his superhuman strength. His powerful leg muscles enable him to clear 12 feet in a standing high jump and 18 feet in a standing broad jump. His alligator-like hide is tougher than human skin, and is capable of resisting the penetration of small caliber bullets. His reaction time is about twice that of the normal human being and he can run at speeds of up to 45 miles per hour.

Since the first edition of Marvel Universe underestimated some of the characters powers, I'd change "12 feet" to "20 feet" for the high jump, and "18 feet" to "30 feet" for the broad jump.

Also, Lizzy's reaction time is NOT "twice that of a normal human being", or else he'd be twice as slow as a human. Either change "time" to "speed", or change "twice" to "one-half", either way works.

[The Green Goblin]

The only things I'd correct on that page are things that are the fault of the early 80's Marvel Universe handbook info on the Lizard:


Since the first edition of Marvel Universe underestimated some of the characters powers, I'd change "12 feet" to "20 feet" for the high jump, and "18 feet" to "30 feet" for the broad jump.

Also, Lizzy's reaction time is NOT "twice that of a normal human being", or else he'd be twice as slow as a human. Either change "time" to "speed", or change "twice" to "one-half", either way works.

Thanks! I'll definately fix that! You know reading that is a reminder of just how dang powerful ole Liz is. :cool:

Stolz would be a good choice, and I think Baker will do fine if given good material. I just pictured Connors to be a little younger, like you said.

[talkstoangels]

i read that raimi was gonna have the lizard pop up in sm2 but decided to scrap the idea cos he wanted him to have a whole film to himself. plus if the lizard is in sm3 then ock can come back to help parker save him and then i will be very very happy :D

[Kirsten-Is-Hot!]

Lizard could be cool if they can get the special effects right, when I try to picture it though I just get a Jurrasic park Raptor in a lab coat, hehh

[The Lizard]

Yup, I've said it before and I'll say it again: more like a lizard, less like a dinosaur is better.

[The Lizard]

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/_gfx_/magazines/wizard/WZ158-SPIDEY.jpg

Cool cover, but what a cop-out on the Lizard pic -- looks like the artist just photoshopped a Jurrasic Park 'raptor.

[The Green Goblin]

Well at least they didn't make you look like a power ranger. :mad: :( :o

[The Lizard]

True -- perhaps Harry Osborn will modify the GGII costume more to your liking. :D

[CAPoholic]

Here is a poster i did for spider 3 with gobby and lizard

http://img35.exs.cx/img35/3623/Spider-man3poster1.jpg

[Spidey-Bat]

that's beautiful....

[Spidey-Bat]

i thought I'd post this again. It's back a few pages and I'd like to see what some newcomers think of it. :)
here's how i want it

Lizard First Phase: For this phase, Connors would be in control, but have "outbreaks".
http://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v146/WarEagle/untitled.bmp

Lizard Second Phase: This phase, Lizard would be smart enough to speak (with a hissing lisp) and have a sorta "strategy" for fighting
http://samruby.com/Villains/Lizard/Lizard313.gif

Lizard Third/Final Phase (a combination of the 2 pics below but no fins): He's completely lizardy in that he cannot speak (except for hissing and screeching) and he should have a very little bit of raptor in him.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Spidey-Boy523/Comic%20stuff/amazing500.jpghttp://www.marvel.com/toybiz/spiderman/previews/72079.jpghttp://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Spidey-Boy523/amazing500.jpg

thats how i think he should evolve in the movie.

[superhuman]

Yup, I've said it before and I'll say it again: more like a lizard, less like a dinosaur is better.

I want the Lizard to look exactly like your avatar.

[The Lizard]

I want the Lizard to look exactly like your avatar.

I'd be fine with that. :up:

Although, like I've said before:

I'm OK with the movie Lizard not being green

I'm OK with the movie Lizard not wearing purple pants (although he should wear pants of some kind- no naked Lizard please.)

And - even though there should be an early Lizard scene where he's wearing the lab coat, I'm OK with him tearing off the labcoat and not wearing it for the rest of the movie.

[#1Batmanfan]

no offense but i dont want to see the lizard i think hes a weak villian i rather see shocker and another villian with him

[Spidey-Bat]

no offense but i dont want to see the lizard i think hes a weak villian i rather see shocker and another villian with him

then why post here?

BTW, Lizard is stronger than Shocker. Not to mention 1,000x cooler.

[#1Batmanfan]

cooler right i dont belive that shocker can be made an awesome vilian shottin stuff cmon what can the lizzard do not that much like i said Shocker is coooler!!!

[Spidey-Bat]

All that is required to beat shocker is rip his suit. Atleast with Lizard when you cut off his arm, it grows back.

Lizard > Shocker

'nuff said

[The Lizard]

I've always liked the Shocker, but he's nowhere near as interesting as Lizard with regard to visuals or action.

[American_Hobo]

I've always liked the Shocker, but he's nowhere near as interesting as Lizard with regard to visuals or action.
Shocker looks cooler than Lizard

[OtepApe]

I think he means visuals as in fighting sequences etc not just the costume etc

[American_Hobo]

I think he means visuals as in fighting sequences etc not just the costume etc
the way Shocker fights Spiderman is lot cooler than Lizars fighting Spiderman

[OtepApe]

Well that's debatable, especially on a SM3 Lizard thread.

[Spidey-Bat]

the way Shocker fights Spiderman is lot cooler than Lizars fighting Spiderman


Shooting shock blasts is cool for a few seonds. It's the same thing every time. That's why Spider-Man always rapes him. Lizard has no style. He always does something new. And is a lot more dexterious than spider-man.

[The Lizard]

Shooting shock blasts is cool for a few seonds. It's the same thing every time.

Which is why I wouldn't mind a quick Shocker cameo in SM3, sort of like his first appearance in the Ultimate Spider-Man comic book.

Maybe show Shocker robbing a bank to draw Spidey out of hiding and Spidey kicks his butt in about 2 minutes of fight time. Then, while Spidey is contemplating the high-tech vibrating armbands on the unconscious Shocker, cut to a scene in an Oscorp lab where Harry is looking at a display of the same armbands before he deletes the files and looks troubled/angry/insane.

[General_Grievous]

I just borrowed a book from my college library called "Freaks!" in which it tells you how to draw fantasy creatures, and theres a dinosaur type creature in there, so I was going to draw it and implement a lab coat and post it here for a movie-ized version of what the Lizard could look like.

You'll hate it of course, but it could be fun.

Oh, and nice avatar Lizard!

[Arahael]

After they recently screwed up the character of Doc ock in the last film and the green goblin before him,I wont be at all surprised if they go and have The Lizard become a bad guy because he gets manipuated by his tail.I would not be at all surprised if they did that in Man-Spider 3.with sony and Raimi,anything is possible.

[The Lizard]

After they recently screwed up the character of Doc ock in the last film and the green goblin before him,I wont be at all surprised if they go and have The Lizard become a bad guy because he gets manipuated by his tail.I would not be at all surprised if they did that in Man-Spider 3.with sony and Raimi,anything is possible.
Yay - I actually got a "Man-Spider" post in my thread. :D:up:

[American_Hobo]

Yay - I actually got a "Man-Spider" post in my thread. :D:up:
what???man-spiderman suck

[Spidey-Bat]

After they recently screwed up the character of Doc ock in the last film and the green goblin before him,I wont be at all surprised if they go and have The Lizard become a bad guy because he gets manipuated by his tail.I would not be at all surprised if they did that in Man-Spider 3.with sony and Raimi,anything is possible.

I didn't know these types of people still exsisted........

[DACrowe]

I have an idea for SM3.

If we HAVE To have Lizard and GG2 (no other way about it!) then I'd like it to go like this.

GG2 is stalking MJ and Peter (we don't see who at first) and they keep getting little hints that he or someone know he is Spider-Man and wants to kill him there. But that is just the thing Harry seems to be normal and "forgives" Peter because he needs time to work things out.

We learn through Harry he talks to his father in the mirror a lot and that he is torturing Peter for revenge. But he doesn't think he has the sand to take out Peter. HIs father calls him weak and Harry throws a cover over the mirror saying that the idea is over.

Meanwhile Peter who works for Dr. Conners finds the good doctor who is usually open an d friendly shutting the door in his face one day. The doctor than reveals to the camera (wihtout Peter seeing it on the other side) that his arm is regrown and green. Peter has his spider sense go off thinking of Conners here.

Pete and MJ are trying to work through their relationship but Mary Jane seems distant even though they moved in every time he goes out swinging. Peter then proposes to her and she accepts and things are joice as she celebrates with him and Aunt May. But before she accepted she seemed worried and called Harry late one night and was crying (Peter was gone) saying she wanted to see him for dinner. Harry got all cleaned up and sobered up only to find out she had then gotten engaged to Peter (and knew he was Spider-Man for she talked to him on the phone about it knowing he knew) and he angrily runs back to the mirror and Norman smiles as he walks to the perforamnce enhancer.

At that said earlier dinner at May's on television the GG has returned and is terrorizing Midtown. Or maybe the financial district and destroying Oscorp actually. Harry has lost it and is destroying his past life in flames. Peter runs out and says he needs "pictures" and since this is the first supervillain since the truth MJ is worried for him and knows she is partly responsible for Harry's digression as well as Peter. The responsibility is too much and at the same time she must fend for a shaky May worried about her nephew.

Spidey and GG have a huge flying battle (the one that was intended) and Spidey wants to know what has driven Harry to this point. Harry explains that he is betrayed by he and MJ and that both plotted against him. But he is easily defeated by Spidey in the end and loses one of his two goblin gliders. Actually make that three. He hides away somewhere when Spidey searches his house.

Peter and MJ try and go on with their lives knowing Harry is out there somewhere to torment them. And now Harry is the villain. But life goes on and they are uneasy with Harry's disappearence. But MJ is now a soap star. She has some big party that Peter promises to be at. But he is still wondering where Dr. Conners who has also disappeared wne to.

To wrap it up the Lizard attacks ECU while Spidey is doing something to track down Harry that night nad their battle leaves Pete with a broken arm. At the same time he misses MJ's party where Harry leaves in her dressing room a Spider-Man doll on her bed that blows up and a sign with confete comes up that syas YOU'RE DEAD.

Peter is woeful for himself. And when MJ who is snapping comes home sees Peter with a broken arm she freaks. They get in a spat and basically clal off the engagement. She explains why she is upset but Peter is selfish and says he knew this wouldn't work out and throws MJ out. Peter feels bad but thinks it is his duty.

Peter follows the lead of the labcoat to the Conners hosue and there Martha explains her horrors of how he became (see my previous post) and then when Peter is leaving his spider sense goes off and he sees the street open. He coems back and sees a remoresful Lizard on his knees begging for forgivness. His family embraces him and then he cuts Billy's cheek for blood. Peter is freaked out and goes into battle but half mamed already he is thrown out into the rain and is about to die when Billy begs his father not to.

The Lizard runs away. Spidey comes home and is resting and lseeps all day (can't go in public either day since public knows Spidey is already in a cast). When he wakes up he has a Goblin mask overlooking him from the celling grinning with a sign that you're dead. He finds a tape and it shows MJ struggling in rope and Harry kissing her and says "You know where to meet me."

Cut to Queensboro Bridge and they do battle for MJ and Spidey defeats a weak Harry who actually saves a falling MJ when Spidey can't reach her. He lands her and says "I can't do this." Cops then tackle him and shackle him.

Peter and MJ (in Spidey outfit) embrace. She wants to make things up but they get in a fight (or she gets angry) when Peter says it ain't worth it. He flies off to a screaming MJ. He says he has one last thing to do. He left her with a tracer that he never used on Harry (that he made) she puts it on him before he swang off immeadietly. She phones him but he says he has one last thing to do.

In the police Van Harry begins talking to himself but really to his father. Harry tries to fight him but is too weak and goes crazy again laughing. Though they searched his body he is shackled in his suit he presses a button on his leg and a small (a mini) pumpkin bomb comes out and he smiles at it.

MJ stays with Aunt May who lectures her on love and how one fight is not enough to ruin his life or her life. Their love is something special and we get a good speech.

Spidey uses his science to track down the Lizard following the power source (he stole machinary and now blood remember). He then joins the fight against him to find a civilized (but more savage looking and ripped Lizard) Lizard building a super device to cure himself. Well think ASM #362 and the same mayhem insues. He then is burried under rubble. There Lizard thinks he is dead and it is for the best.

In his mind for the last time he is in the car with Uncle Ben who when Peter says maybe it is for the better to let Curt die and for he to die and for Harry to die...just like Otto and Norman. But for the sake of MJ and Aunt May and little Billy and for HIMSELF Uncle Ben convinces Peter to take his hand this time ending it with "great Power comes great RESPONSIBILITY!" Peter then lifts himself from under the rubble with a bad arm (and I mean under like literally burried and ripping his mask to shreds in the procces).

Once free Peter travels up and finds Lizard about to kill himself unintentionally seeing Spidey again. Harry glides in and sees Spidey and Lizard wrestle and Lizard is about to kill Spidey and Harry thinks back of his friends and friendship with him and MJ and realizes he is wrong and puts down his pumpkin bomb to aide Peter. Lizard attacks him and Harry on a glider (don't ask how like how did Harry know where Otto was?) gets in the way and tries to save Peter. Lizard kills or mortally wounds a poor Harry. Dying in Harry's arms Harry asks for forgivness from his "brother" and how he was wrong. Peter realizes Lizard is about to die and throws himself into the fray and with his radiation blood saves Lizard's life and renders him back to a one-arm human. Both fall unconscience. As he fades he sees someone coming down the sewer hall with a flash light.

MJ used the tracer to follow him all this time in the cuts. She finds them and is in shock. Peter wakes up in Conners' house. Here Curt knows nothing of killing Harry (thankfully) and lectures Peter on love. MJ then comes in and they both apologize to each other and exclaim only thier love for each other can save them. They kiss and she puts her ring back on that Peter has kept this whole time lookiing at. She then says there is other business.

We see Peter's smile fade and he lays Harry down on the same bed dead that he lay Norman dead on. There the circle finishes. WE cut to the same shot of the funeral of Harry. There Peter is at Harry's newly mounted grave next to Noramn saying how it worries him taht he knows too many people in this yard. Then Curt comes up and says "She is ready."

They then walk to a hill where a wedding ceremony is and Curt Conners walks MJ to the alter to Peter who is waiting with Robbie as his best man. JJJ and the rest are there watching them.

We don't have a final swinging here.

The End to a 2 and a 1/2 epic!

And to a trilogy!

[General_Grievous]

Good idea.

[The Lizard]

To wrap it up the Lizard attacks ECU while Spidey is doing something to track down Harry that night and their battle leaves Pete with a broken arm.

The broken/sprained arm is a nice homage to ASM #44-45. :up:

[General_Grievous]

The broken/sprained arm is a nice homage to ASM #44-45. :up:

I wouldnt mind somethingg like that actually, considerign that in Spider-Man 2 there was the obvious homage to ASM #50...

[The Lizard]

I would be horribly remiss if I didn't post this Kirsten pic here:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/TheLizard/kirstengator.jpg

Additional evidence? You decide. :D

[General_Grievous]

Heh heh...The Lizard is in Spidey 3! Also, Kirsten is a good looking gal, stop flaming her just because she had corny lines or a ginger wig or no access to the make-up woman!

[American_Hobo]

I would be horribly remiss if I didn't post this new pic here:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/dcmccants/Kirsten_Dunst_01_1024.jpg

Additional evidence? You decide. :D

it's alligator

[General_Grievous]

it's alligator


why point that out?

[American_Hobo]

why point that out?
why saying its Lizard?

[General_Grievous]

why saying its Lizard?

Look, the lizard was having a laugh by posting that on here, it was not serious for goodness sake!

[American_Hobo]

this picture means Lizard is Kirsten's slave...-_-

[General_Grievous]

this picture means Lizard is Kirsten's slave...-_-


ok, buddy

[The Lizard]

this picture means Lizard is Kirsten's slave...-_-

She wishes..... :)

[General_Grievous]

She wishes..... :)

He'd be too much to handle. Plus, he'd, ya know, almost certainly kill her in a horrible bone-smashing way. Sniff.

[American_Hobo]

What's the story line gonna be if Lizard is the villain?..like Lizard trying to make everyone humans to turn into lizards?

[General_Grievous]

What's the story line gonna be if Lizard is the villain?..like Lizard trying to make everyone humans to turn into lizards?

erm...no.

[American_Hobo]

erm...no.
i heard that storyline for Lizard is like that...

[General_Grievous]

i heard that storyline for Lizard is like that...

What story? In the 1990s cartoon series there was a race of lizard creatures and The Lizard was there king, but I don't think that that has been mentioned for any film story...?

[DACrowe]

Yes in the 60's that was the plot.

In both early treatments I did I used the early 90s approach of him trying to cure himself. That's better.

[General_Grievous]

Yes in the 60's that was the plot.

In both early treatments I did I used the early 90s approach of him trying to cure himself. That's better.

Yes, t'is

[The Lizard]

This pic makes me chuckle, so I will post it here courtesy of TwistedMentat:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/l0ki2/EVIL.jpg

[The Joker]

I'd like to see The Lizard in SM-3. But wouldnt that be 2 villains who are Peter's friends turned bad??? I mean both Harry and Curt.

We had that already with Norman and Otto.Repitition can be dangerous.

Btw Lizard I know this is off topic but theres an old spammer back on the Hype in the Batman Begins spoilers section.Heres a hint he started about 4 Robin threads lol.

[The Lizard]

Btw Lizard I know this is off topic but theres an old spammer back on the Hype in the Batman Begins spoilers section.Heres a hint he started about 4 Robin threads lol.

Gotta love that spiderfreddie. :D


The concept of 2 "friends" becoming villains in SM3 could be done in a manner where we don't know if Harry is going evil until the end. That way it wouldn't seem so redundant when compared with Curt becoming Lizzy.

[DACrowe]

I think the difference is that Curt happens wihtout us seeing and the gaps are filled in with a flashback and should be much much more low key and kind of horror movie vile which Raimi would love to do. GG2 happened in SM2 we never actually see him take the potion and we just follow Harry down his insanity and the fact is though he does evil things he is not evil and dies saving Pete. Lizard is just trying to cure himself but may actually kill himself but is too monsterous to understand that logic.

The Lizard on the other hand should kill some gangsters or thugs when he is first changing and runs out into the night in fear (I think it would be a great cameo for Bruce Campbell to be killed by a half way changed Lizard monster human thing) and of course Harry at the end. But Conners should not recollect this and in essence get away with it.

[American_Hobo]

I think Lizard should be leading some of REAL lizards when fighting Spiderman.....

[TheSlag]

*shoots self* ;)

[WhiteRat]

[QUOTE=The Lizard]Gotta love that spiderfreddie. :D

I also was happy when I went over to the Batman Begins section and saw all those threads with Robin in it.I'm glad to see he is back.He is one in a million.He is easily the funniest character I have ever come across before on the internet.I have never come across a character quite like him before in my entire life on any message board.He is the ONLY poster who I have come across who makes me laugh when I am away from the computer.:D :D


Anyways,I sure hope The Lizard is in it.They have been building up his character ever since the first film and we were introduced to Doc Connors in the last film so it would not be a good idea to not have him in the next film.Plus I would really like to see how he translates to the big screen and how he looks on it.

[The Lizard]

Well, happy 2005 to everyone.

It sure would be nice if we found out which villain(s) will be in SM3 sometime during this year.

However, I'm not going to lose sleep over it quite yet. :)

[American_Hobo]

Well, happy 2005 to everyone.

It sure would be nice if we found out which villain(s) will be in SM3 sometime during this year.

However, I'm not going to lose sleep over it quite yet. :)
happy new year Lizard:)

[KAZUYA]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/5.jpg
Happy new year Yo!

[The Lizard]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/5.jpg
Happy new year Yo!

Hey-- cool manip!
I'm saving that to my Lizard archive.:D:up:

[Fenris_the_blue]

Whilst I do like the Lizard. I also prefer him to Venom. I have never been a huge fan of his. I would like to see him in a Spidey movie, I mean he will look great. I would still like to see some villains before him though. Sandman, Electro and of course Scorpion. I would prefer to see those before the Lizard.
I think people, well i like the Lizard because, unlike characters like the Green Goblin, Venom and Carnage, it is not just some cold, soulless killing machine that Spidey can come along and beat the living snot out of. No matter how much he wnts or needs to, Spider-man cannot harm the Lizard because he is really his friend Dr.Conners, who isnt able to control his monsterous alter ego. He is like a modern day Jekyll and Hyde (and need i remind anyone how long that character has been popular). Its a character that we can sympathise with, if not relate to (unless of course you have PMS, heehee, guilty!)

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"With great power comes great responsibility"

[The Lizard]

Assuming that GG2 and Lizard could be in the front running for SM3, that sort of limits any other minor-league villains that might appear at the beginning of the film.

For example, Scorpion, Beetle or Stilt-Man wouldn't be good choices because GG2 (like it or not) would be an armor-wearing villain as well. Too redundant.

Also, any monster or animal-based villains like Morbius, Rhino, The Fly, or Man-Wolf won't do because that would be too much like the Lizard's concept.

Finally, any villains that have powers similar to Spidey's also wouldn't work, again because of the Lizard (who was actually the FIRST villain in the Spidey comics to duplicate most of Spidey's powers besides webbing).

So...this leaves mostly non-armor-wearing, non-animal based, non-monster villains like Shocker, Electro, Trapster, and the Maggia villains as candidates for cameos.

[The Lizard]

*bermp*

[snazzy J]

Assuming that GG2 and Lizard could be in the front running for SM3, that sort of limits any other minor-league villains that might appear at the beginning of the film.

For example, Scorpion, Beetle or Stilt-Man wouldn't be good choices because GG2 (like it or not) would be an armor-wearing villain as well. Too redundant.

Also, any monster or animal-based villains like Morbius, Rhino, The Fly, or Man-Wolf won't do because that would be too much like the Lizard's concept.

Finally, any villains that have powers similar to Spidey's also wouldn't work, again because of the Lizard (who was actually the FIRST villain in the Spidey comics to duplicate most of Spidey's powers besides webbing).

So...this leaves mostly non-armor-wearing, non-animal based, non-monster villains like Shocker, Electro, Trapster, and the Maggia villains as candidates for cameos.
I don't see a problem there. We're overdue for a Shocker cameo (played by Bruce Campbell).

[snazzy J]

I, myself, would like the Lizard to be saved for part 4, in combination with Kraven (think Ultimat-style) and the symbiote suit.

[The Lizard]

I don't see a problem there. We're overdue for a Shocker cameo (played by Bruce Campbell).

That would be awesome. The former wrestling announcer/snooty usher stumbles across some experimental Oscorp vibrating armbands and Pete finally gets his revenge on the guy by clobbering him and wrapping him up for the cops. :D

[snazzy J]

That would be awesome. The former wrestling announcer/snooty usher stumbles across some experimental Oscorp vibrating armbands and Pete finally gets his revenge on the guy by clobbering him and wrapping him up for the cops. :D
Exactly! What better way to wrap up Bruce's trilogy of cameos than to have him play one of Spidey's greatest foes?

[snazzy J]

I, myself, would like the Lizard to be saved for part 4, in combination with Kraven (think Ultimat-style) and the symbiote suit.
Sorry, but I'd like to elaborate on this, just to get it out of my system.

The first big event of the movie would be Spidey getting his hands on the symbiote. I don't really care how, but probably more along the lines of cartoon/shuttle crash way than the comic book way. Maybe Jameson sends Peter to get pictures of his son's landing and he happens upon it, I don't know. Meanwhile, Connors has been working tirelessly on his regeneration formula, but he can't find the perfect enzyme to make the process work correctly. One night while he's working, Spidey stops in and asks him to take a look at a sample from his new suit. While examining it after Spidey leaves, Curt finds that it contains the enzyme he was looking for, combines it with his serum, and injects it into himself. The Lizard is born. The movie continues with black-suit Spidey hunting down the monster for a while and eventually learning that it's Connors. Enter Kraven, the world-renowned bounty/big game hunter, who seeks to slay the mysterious creature terrorizing New York. Confrontations between him and Spidey occur. All the while, hot-shot reporter Eddie Brock has been trying to solve the mystery of who or what the Lizard is. The climax occurs when Spidey defeats the Lizard, who transforms back to an unconcious Connors, only to see Kraven appear and try to murder Connors in cold blood. Spidey fights Kraven and, the symbiote taking over, almost beats him to death. Realizing what he's done and that the symbiote is responsible, he flees with Connors and loses the symbiote, perhaps through the sound of church bells. Unbeknownst to Spidey, Brock saw the whole thing and goes public with the Lizard's true identity. Spidey, in an attempt to save Connors' reputation, covers up the incident and creates evidence to lead everyone to believe it was all a hoax, or something like that. Brock's career is ruined and he goes to the church to pray, where the symbiote happens upon him, setting up Venom for the sequel.

I think it would make for a pretty interesting, dark movie and would do the Lizard justice. Any thoughts?

[Silver Sable]

I think Lizard should be leading some of REAL lizards when fighting Spiderman.....

But Spidey will be dead for sure

[dos_acoustic]

here is a quick Lizzard sketch i did...i would like to see them go with sort of a classic look like this
http://img140.exs.cx/img140/5170/picture8zp.jpg

[The Lizard]

^ A good Ditko-esque design for an early form of the Lizard, but as he continues to change I'd give him a longer snout.

[Spidey-Bat]

like this?
here's how i want it

Lizard First Phase: For this phase, Connors would be in control, but have "outbreaks".
http://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v146/WarEagle/untitled.bmp

Lizard Second Phase: This phase, Lizard would be smart enough to speak (with a hissing lisp) and have a sorta "strategy" for fighting
http://samruby.com/Villains/Lizard/Lizard313.gif

Lizard Third/Final Phase (a combination of the 2 pics below but no fins): He's completely lizardy in that he cannot speak (except for hissing and screeching) and he should have a very little bit of raptor in him.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Spidey-Boy523/Comic%20stuff/amazing500.jpghttp://www.marvel.com/toybiz/spiderman/previews/72079.jpghttp://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Spidey-Boy523/amazing500.jpg

thats how i think he should evolve in the movie.

[The Lizard]

^I could live with that scenario.

If Lizzy doesn't become mindless until toward the end of the film, then Harry can step up to the plate as the major threat.

[Visionary]

The villain in SM3 isn't The Lizard...it's SANDMAN. You will know this, when the leaks to the third film start appearing.:spidey:

[The Lizard]

The villain in SM3 isn't The Lizard...it's SANDMAN. You will know this, when the leaks to the third film start appearing.:spidey:

What, this guy? http://www.mat.ucsb.edu/~benlozano/MAT_594G/photos/mummy_sand_storm.jpg

Meh - I think not. ;)

[American_Hobo]

What, this guy? http://www.mat.ucsb.edu/~benlozano/MAT_594G/photos/mummy_sand_storm.jpg

Meh - I think not. ;)

LOL!

[Visionary]

I said SANDMAN, not Moses playing in dirt.:spidey:

[Agent Thermal]

Why not Sandman AND Lizard, hmmm? :cool: :p Just think - Dylan Baker and Henry Rollins - the ULTIMATE villain duo...;)

Man, I haven't been in this thread in a WHILE....:D

[Silver Sable]

The villain in SM3 isn't The Lizard...it's SANDMAN. You will know this, when the leaks to the third film start appearing.:spidey:

Prove it

[TheSlag]

Prove it

Don't make him post that script he read. ;) *old... OLD... joke on these boards. ;)

[GoldGoblin]

If it is Sandman,do you think they will make John Jameson the Sandman?

[Agent Thermal]

If it is Sandman,do you think they will make John Jameson the Sandman?

Well, rationalizing him being in contact with radioactive sand will be a tough sell.....;)

[Spider-Fan]

John Jameson as Sandman? Wow, that is a horrible idea.

[Silver Sable]

If it is Sandman,do you think they will make John Jameson the Sandman?

What's wrong with you people? 1st you say he should be Venom now it's Sandman?!?!?! WTF???

[Visionary]

Prove it
It's just speculation on my part. I'm feeling ol' Sandy may be the one.

In a perfect world, in a 3 HOUR movie, all three (The Lizard (main villain), Sandman and GG2 featuring Eddie Brock) would be in SM3, if I had my way. But I can actually wait until SM4 to see GG2, I need to see a new villain (non-goblin) in SM3, be it The Lizard or Sandman or both. I don't wanna see only another Goblin, even though I want to see a GG2/Spidey/Harry/Peter friend against friend all out battle...but a new villain overwhelms my intrigue.:spidey:

[TheRiddlerkid]

theres no lizard


just Mysterio!!!!

[The Joker]

theres no lizard


just Mysterio!!!!

I'd be fine with that ;)

[Agent Thermal]

Me too - though I would PREFER Mysterio AND the Lizard - one a psychological threat, the other more of a physical one - they'd complement each other nicely, and they both (with good enough writing) have engaging storylines. :)

That would be my dream Spiderman movie....:rolleyes: :up:

[Spider-Fan]

My two favorite villains in one movie, what a nice thought.

[Visionary]

Mysterio is an outright horrible character. I don't like him in the comics, cartoons, and certainly not on the big screen.:spidey:

[Agent Thermal]

Somehow, I just KNEW you were going to say that. ;)

[TheSlag]

Mysterio is an outright horrible character. I don't like him in the comics, cartoons, and certainly not on the big screen.:spidey:

Oscar... My Brother. :up:

I fear for a movie that is heavily based on CGI, and making us believe, that "chooses" to use a villain with CGI like powers of illusion. NOT... a good choice IMO.

*and then there's that damn fishbowl. ;)

[Visionary]

Yes...that damn fishbowl...:mad:

[TheRiddlerkid]

Oscar... My Brother. :up:

I fear for a movie that is heavily based on CGI, and making us believe, that "chooses" to use a villain with CGI like powers of illusion. NOT... a good choice IMO.

*and then there's that damn fishbowl. ;)

See it's all about the Fish bowl, it's the Bowl, everyone wants to see the Bowl, that's the only thing we ever talk about. It's just that bowl is so shiney and solid. lol.

[The Joker]

You have a better chance of Mysterio appearing than MJ dying Slag.And you know it ;)

[TheRiddlerkid]

Me too - though I would PREFER Mysterio AND the Lizard - one a psychological threat, the other more of a physical one - they'd complement each other nicely, and they both (with good enough writing) have engaging storylines. :)

That would be my dream Spiderman movie....:rolleyes: :up:

if they ever did that I would be clearly HAPPY :)

only problem is that Lizard will go good at the end and Mysterio would die, while conners would either die saving Spider-man or anyother character.

(Too bad Raimi said one villain per movie)

[TheSlag]

You have a better chance of Mysterio appearing than MJ dying Slag.And you know it ;)

If that fishbowl shows, I'LL DIE. ;)

And I wouldn't count on what you say too heavily. Kirsten wants out, and trust me, there are many exits from the franchise. *snap*

[Agent Thermal]

One thing I've learned about Mysterio - people either love him or hate him....:p (I haven't seen too many "in-betweens"...)

To be perfectly honest, though, the "fishbowl" wouldn't look TOO much more ridiculous than the original GG's suit. ;)

Besides, as I said, there'd be THE LIZARD TOO. Therefore, those who HATE Mysterio would have the Lizard as sort of a "crutch" to their tolerance of this movie, whereas Mysterio LOVERS would be content beyond compare. :D

[The Joker]

If that fishbowl shows, I'LL DIE. ;)

And I wouldn't count on what you say too heavily. Kirsten wants out, and trust me, there are many exits from the franchise. *snap*

Yes and knowing Sam Raimi it will be wedded bliss with Peter.She has been captured by two big time super villains twice and has not had so much as a scratch on her.

I hate to admit it cos I want her dead too but I'm facing reality here.The villain will be a side note again to her and her love story.I can feel it in my bones :(

[Visionary]

(Too bad Raimi said one villain per movie)
It's not up to just Sam Raimi, who decides what villain or villainS will be in the movie. He likes to make you believe that he decides, but in truth, that belongs to the one (Marvel) who owns Spidey and the one (Sony) who pays for the budget.:spidey:

[The Lizard]

It's not up to just Sam Raimi, who decides what villain or villainS will be in the movie. He likes to make you believe that he decides, but in truth, that belongs to the one (Marvel) who owns Spidey and the one (Sony) who pays for the budget.:spidey:


I wonder if Sam is in a greater position of control since the first two Spidey movies did so well. Maybe he HAS been given carte blanche by Marvel/Sony at this point...stranger things have happened.

[Visionary]

I wonder if Sam is in a greater position of control since the first two Spidey movies did so well. Maybe he HAS been given carte blanche by Marvel/Sony at this point...stranger things have happened.
I'm sure he has his share of power, no doubt, but anything he comes up with including the villain/villains can be vetoed my Sony/Marvel...mostly Marvel...being that Arad said that they have final say over the script/costume...which includes the villain/villains.

[The Lizard]

I'm bumping this to aid in getting rid of the bad taste of those current Black Cat, Venom, and Man-Wolf rumors. :mad:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/Spider-Man9x17/SpideyLizard.jpg

-thanks to Spider-Man9x17

[spider-jide]

I'm bumping this to aid in getting rid of the bad taste of those current Black Cat, Venom, and Man-Wolf rumors. :mad:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/Spider-Man9x17/SpideyLizard.jpg

-thanks to Spider-Man9x17

This pic is just too sweet.

[Silver Sable]

Hello Godzilla!

[Spidey-Bat]

Hello Godzilla!

Sorry, but that pic looks much like a lizard.

[Lethal Venom]

Hello Godzilla!lol :)

[Aragorn501]

yup, it does look more like a lizard

[The Lizard]

http://www.laserdisken.dk/billeder/forsidealm/40195.jpg

Wow...that brings back bad memories. :mad:

[Agent Thermal]

I don't know if this has been addressed already in this rather large thread, but I didn't feel like searching back, so I deeply apologize if it has...:p :

Who do you guys feel the Lizard SHOULD be paired with in a movie, if anyone at all? :) Like I've stated before, I personally want Mysterio (the psychological threat) and the Lizard (the physical threat) as the pair of villains in one of these sequels - for some "can't put my finger on it" reason, Harry/Green-Goblin and the Lizard together just doesn't sit well with me...:(

Oh well, that's just my opinion. Yours? :D Who do YOU guys feel would "compliment" the Lizard best in a movie, or would a storyline with JUST the Lizard be best?

[Silver Sable]

Sorry, but that pic looks much like a lizard.

I know it's a lizard eye but that remind me of him

[American_Hobo]

Hello Godzilla!

LOL..but yeah..that does look like Godzilla...

[The Lizard]

Just bringing this thread up to date in light of Columbia's announcement that Thomas Haden Church has been cast as the yet-unnamed villain in SM3.

It doesn't look too good for Lizzy's chances at being in SM3, but.....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/TheLizard/geckocling.jpg

[Spidey-Bat]

Things can still change...

[Agent Thermal]

Yeah - there's still a chance that Church isn't playing the ONLY villain in this movie....;)



AND NO ONE'S ANSWERED MY QUESTION YET!!! :mad: :p

[willie Lumkin]

I think they just needed a better know Actor for Curt Connors, so they chose Church.

OK!
We got connors.
we got jameson jr.
and we got harry.
All of them are there for a reason.

1: For me, one thing is unavoidable: Raimi has to tie up Harrys loose end. Harry will lose his mind and do something terrible. But what?
Maybe sabotage an experiment of Dr. Connors (involving accelerated mutation), an experiment in which Peter could be Connors assistant.
Enter the Lizard.
Harry somehow convinces Connors that it was Peters fault. the Lizard attacks Spidey.

2: We cant have MJ as an Hostage again, now can we? no. thats why we`ll kidnap Jameson jr. this time. Now jjj is really pissed at spidey, cause, you gessed it, Harry (more and more becoming GG by now) also manages to let the public believe it was spiderman who snatched jameson jr. away. remember: Lizards can stick to walls too. connors doesnt have to have a fully developed tail by then or harry just cuts it off. hehe, it grows back, doesnt it?

3: spidey trys talking some sense into connors: tells him that harry set him up, manipulated him etc. And eventually, with a little help of connors family he succedes.
Now, together they take on Harry ( a by now full fledged GG. that last scorn by MJ gave him that last shove he needed). they fight. Spidey wins of course, although connors could find his end here, cause we wont need him anymore. In sacrificing himself he saves the day. But harry was tempering with connors Bio-mutagenic Stuff when Spidey busted in, so jameson jr. gets somehow covered by some experimental stuff.

4: the set up for the fourth sequel: Jameson jr. will become Venom. ..and try denying THAT to the fans by then.

or am i completely offt rack?


P.S: sorry for my bad english. im from europe.

[The Lizard]

Who do you guys feel the Lizard SHOULD be paired with in a movie, if anyone at all? :) Like I've stated before, I personally want Mysterio (the psychological threat) and the Lizard (the physical threat) as the pair of villains in one of these sequels - for some "can't put my finger on it" reason, Harry/Green-Goblin and the Lizard together just doesn't sit well with me...:(

Oh well, that's just my opinion. Yours? :D Who do YOU guys feel would "compliment" the Lizard best in a movie, or would a storyline with JUST the Lizard be best?

OK, I'll offer an opinion.

I agree with your "physical and psychological" threats scenario. It just makes sense that if Spidey is fighting two villains in one film, they have to have very different styles. Thus we must say NO to ideas like Venom/Lizard, Man-Wolf/Lizard, etc for obvious reasons of redundancy.

That being said, I also think that other "non-physical"-fighing villains like Electro and Hydro-Man could share a film with a monster villain, but the problem there is that their powers are quite cliche'd in the realm of SF/fantasy. I also feel the same way about Sandman, to be honest.

I'm actually OK with Lizard sharing the screen with GG2 or Hobgoblin, since those characters are more technological villans than Lizard is, so there's still a difference. Plus, there can indeed be some psychological torture or mindgames coming from Harry if he's responsible for whatever goblin villain we might see.

Plus, I've said for a long time that introducing the Maggia/Mafia-type organized crime characters like Hammerhead, Silvermane, Tombstone, etc could work well with a Lizard story much like the classic Stone Tablet storyline from ASM # 70-77.

Regarding Lizzy having his own solo movie-- that would be great and I'd love it from a fanboy standpoint. However, based on the storylines that have taken place in the past two movies, and the fact that Otto Octavius was incorrectly portrayed as a character similar to Curt Connors in SM2, I have to say that a Jekyll/Hyde scientist storyline in SM3 really needs another element thrown into the mix. Two villains is the best bet this time around.

So in a nutshell, I'm OK with:

Lizard/GG2
Lizard/Hobgoblin
Lizard/Mysterio
Lizard/Maggia characters (Tombstone, Hammerhead, etc)
Lizard/Electro (in a pinch)

[nedkelly404]

that would be cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





strong lizard fan since 2004!!!!!!!!

[nedkelly404]

I think they just needed a better know Actor for Curt Connors, so they chose Church.

OK!
We got connors.
we got jameson jr.
and we got harry.
All of them are there for a reason.

1: For me, one thing is unavoidable: Raimi has to tie up Harrys loose end. Harry will lose his mind and do something terrible. But what?
Maybe sabotage an experiment of Dr. Connors (involving accelerated mutation), an experiment in which Peter could be Connors assistant.
Enter the Lizard.
Harry somehow convinces Connors that it was Peters fault. the Lizard attacks Spidey.

2: We cant have MJ as an Hostage again, now can we? no. thats why we`ll kidnap Jameson jr. this time. Now jjj is really pissed at spidey, cause, you gessed it, Harry (more and more becoming GG by now) also manages to let the public believe it was spiderman who snatched jameson jr. away. remember: Lizards can stick to walls too. connors doesnt have to have a fully developed tail by then or harry just cuts it off. hehe, it grows back, doesnt it?

3: spidey trys talking some sense into connors: tells him that harry set him up, manipulated him etc. And eventually, with a little help of connors family he succedes.
Now, together they take on Harry ( a by now full fledged GG. that last scorn by MJ gave him that last shove he needed). they fight. Spidey wins of course, although connors could find his end here, cause we wont need him anymore. In sacrificing himself he saves the day. But harry was tempering with connors Bio-mutagenic Stuff when Spidey busted in, so jameson jr. gets somehow covered by some experimental stuff.

4: the set up for the fourth sequel: Jameson jr. will become Venom. ..and try denying THAT to the fans by then.

or am i completely offt rack?


P.S: sorry for my bad english. im from europe. your from europe?HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:) :) :) :) :) :)

[Lethal Venom]

We must keep this thread ALIVE :)
By the way you guy's I've made a Lizard board.
http://reptileroom.proboards18.com/index.cgi

[The Lizard]

^ Good to see the next generation of Lizard fans so active :D (despite that screen name! :mad: ;) )

[The Lizard]

http://www.theenvironmentsite.org/i/sand_lizard.gif
This is a sand lizard.

Sand lizards live in sandy dune areas. -- Just puttin' that info out there. :)

[GoldGoblin]

What if Haden Thomas Church played Harry's psychiatrist,and Harry told his psychiatrist about everything,even about finding the Goblin's lair.

What if the psychiatrist is the GG2 or the Hobgoblin and Harry thinks he has gone crazy,thinking he has developed a split personality who won't forgive Peter,who wants revenge.

Then what if Dylan Baker is the second villain as the Lizard.

[Visionary]

TO THE LIZARD FANS...hear my words...you'll have to wait until 2010 to 2013 for The Lizard...all to make way for the SANDMAN.:p

I'll see you then, but remember...

THE SANDMAN COMETH TO 2007!:cool:

[GoldGoblin]

TO THE LIZARD FANS...hear my words...you'll have to wait until 2010 to 2013 for The Lizard...all to make way for the SANDMAN.:p

I'll see you then, but remember...

THE SANDMAN COMETH TO 2007!:cool:

^Probably right. :)

[The Lizard]

http://img23.exs.cx/img23/9192/101b9tk.jpg

This doesn't look too bad to me....

[Agent Thermal]

Not at all - Sandman and the Lizard together is a fine villain combo for a movie. :) It'll be kinda rough making us ATTACHED to Dr. Conners AND including the origins of both monstrosities in one movie, though. (While doing them justice. :p)

[Spidey-Bat]

That guy may be a re-cast as Curt Connors

[Caliber]

I think Lizard is good enough alone as the villian.

[Arcturus]

Lizard is an okay charcter...but im soo drunk right now(best friends b-day) Im mstill gonna post my thoughts,

Lizard is a good character. sturggle between man and the repitlian darkside that he is trying to keep under control; BUt I still dont see why that is so great...I mean, he's not gonna be in Spider-Mna 3. It's probarbly gonna be Sandman or some other bull**** character, ah look at me, I fling mud, i am special...lalallalala lol im so cool cuz I throw sand whopp dee ****oing doo,. :unishr:

im so drunk I dont give a **** anymore. Spider-Man 3 will roxor the boxor!@!!@!!

[dos_acoustic]

Not at all - Sandman and the Lizard together is a fine villain combo for a movie. :) It'll be kinda rough making us ATTACHED to Dr. Conners AND including the origins of both monstrosities in one movie, though. (While doing them justice. :p)


I think i woudl rather just have Sandman

[GoldGoblin]

Goblin & Sandman is the villains.The Lizard will probably be in S-M4 if Raimi makes it.

[Arcturus]

Goblin & Sandman is the villains.The Lizard will probably be in S-M4 if Raimi makes it.

you really dont think venom can be in spider-man 4. dont get me wrong, im not flaming you. im actually kind of feeling better, but for me i think an introduction to the symbiote can be done in sm3 and venom for part 4. but who knows right" you can right after all.

[GoldGoblin]

you really dont think venom can be in spider-man 4. dont get me wrong, im not flaming you. im actually kind of feeling better, but for me i think an introduction to the symbiote can be done in sm3 and venom for part 4. but who knows right" you can right after all.

^I just kinda think that because Raimi has been trying to get the Lizard into the movie somehow.

The introduction of the symbiote could be done in S-M3 and Venom the villain for S-M4,which would be cool.It would be cool to see spidey wear the symbiote when he is fighting the Goblin and the Sandman.

But having to recast Dr.connors if they wait too long would suck.Since Dylan Baker already had a cameo in S-M2.Maybe they should just introduce Dr.Connors family in S-M3 and also develop Dr.Connors character more in it.Then have Dylan Baker as the villain in S-M4.

Maybe spidey could wear the symbiote in S-M4 when he fights the Lizard.Also they could introduce Eddie Brock in S-M4 and develop his character.

Then have Venom as the villain for S-M5.This way if Raimi doesn't want to make S-M5,some other director who loves Venom would do a better job on him.

[Arcturus]

Oh thats cool, I think Lizard should be in a movie one day to. Dylan Baker is a great selection for connors, I dont want him to be re-casted. But I suppose we'll have to wait and see. :)

[Spider-Kurt]

Personally, I want the symbiote to make it's appearence in the third movie, Spider-Man fights the symbiote's influence in the forth movie,over comes it and realises what poor Doc Connors is going thru as the Lizard and helps save him by the movie's end leading to Venom in the fifth movie.

[DACrowe]

Lizard can work with GG2 seperately, maybe even Kraven the Hunter, but I don't see him working with Sandman.

Sandman I don't see being more than an opening page fight. So I hope he ain't okay.

[BHD]

if they go up to five movies SK

[Spider-Kurt]

Let's hope!

[BHD]

they better

[SpiderSensesTingling]

The Lizard will make an excellent feature villain. I hope they save him for Spider-Man 4.

[Caliber]

Lizard is a classic villian and would be a great villian. It would put Peter against having to hurt the man in the reptile. I know there are lizards threads already but I want to talk about how he can be made effects wise. I think cgi would have to be used but they could get Stan Winston to make a model. What do you guys think?

[Visionary]

I love The Lizard. Stan Winston is great (and would create a great mold/prosthetics) for The Lizard. I wouldn't mind if The Lizard is the villain in SM3. I'd prefer Sandman, to get away from the I'm a scientist and my experiment has gone wrong motif, but, if The Lizard showed up in SM3--I sure as hell wouldn't complain.:cool:

[Caliber]

I love The Lizard. Stan Winston is great (and would create a great mold/prosthetics) for The Lizard. I wouldn't mind if The Lizard is the villain in SM3. I'd prefer Sandman, to get away from the I'm a scientist and my experiment has gone wrong motif, but, if The Lizard showed up in SM3--I sure as hell wouldn't complain.:cool:

Lizard is better than Sandman. I love to see the savage side that comes even though he is a scientist. I think people could over look the scientiost part. Stan Winston came to mind because I remembered Predator.

[Chewy]

Been discussed. He wouldn't fit in w/ THC and Franco already cast as villains.


And if THC is indeed replacing Baker (even less likely than Venom being in) I'm gonna boycott and only see the movie 3 times.

[Caliber]

Been discussed. He wouldn't fit in w/ THC and Franco already cast as villains.


And if THC is indeed replacing Baker (even less likely than Venom being in) I'm gonna boycott and only see the movie 3 times.

Church could be someone else. They were just rumors.

[The Joker]

Why is this thread a sticky :confused:

Is Sid a MOD in disguise?? :eek: ;)

[Caliber]

Why is this thread a sticky :confused:

Is Sid a MOD in disguise?? :eek: ;)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA No but who maded the changes?

[C. Lee]

Why is this thread a sticky :confused:

Is Sid a MOD in disguise?? :eek: ;)
I'm stickying the main contenders for villian in the next movie.....that way, if someone starts a new thread on one of these guys...they shouldn't be too surprised if it gets closed. People can learn to put things in the right place.

[The Joker]

I'm stickying the main contenders for villian in the next movie.....that way, if someone starts a new thread on one of these guys...they shouldn't be too surprised if it gets closed. People can learn to put things in the right place.

Brilliant :up:

Finally someone bringing order to chaos.

[The Lizard]

EDIT -- It's merge-tastic! :eek:

[Caliber]

I'm stickying the main contenders for villian in the next movie.....that way, if someone starts a new thread on one of these guys...they shouldn't be too surprised if it gets closed. People can learn to put things in the right place.

Thanks that will help clear up things.

[The Lizard]

...bump....http://www.ugo.com/channels/filmTv/features/spiderman2/villains/images/lizard_th.jpg

[C. Lee]

C. Lee, with all due respect, why aren't you stickying my "S-M3 Lizard thread" that's been in this forum since day one?

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121326
Got it.

[The Lizard]

That's better -- and the name change is fine with me. Thanks. :)

[fallenAngel]

I'm stickying the main contenders for villian in the next movie.....that way, if someone starts a new thread on one of these guys...they shouldn't be too surprised if it gets closed. People can learn to put things in the right place.

Awesome, this will help.

[Caliber]

That's better -- and the name change is fine with me. Thanks. :)

Sorry I was trying to make non Sandman threads but I knew this thread was somewhere.

[Lethal Venom]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif Hey there C Lee do you think that maybe there should be a sticky HobGoblin thread? http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif I could always make one if there is one needed

[spider-jide]

...bump....http://www.ugo.com/channels/filmTv/features/spiderman2/villains/images/lizard_th.jpg


Thats how i'd like to see the lizard on screen.

Thats either a bagley or a luke ross pic.

[Arcturus]

I recently puchased Amazing Spider-Man #365, a great read. Since I liked the issue, im going to try and read up some more on the Lizard.

:)

[GoldGoblin]

Raimi tried to put the Lizard in S-M2,so what would make him pass on the Lizard in S-M3 and go with the Sandman,Did Tobey say too Raimi,hey if you put the Sandman in S-M3 then I will do S-M4 with you.

[spider-jide]

lol

[Weadazoid]

Persoanly I liked the way McFarland did him up when that Vodoo girly had Spidey thinking Kraven was back from the Dead, Toruments I believe it was called a 5 part sereis.

The Lizard ran the streets red with blood on that one.

[The Lizard]

http://www.ugo.com/channels/filmTv/features/spiderman2/villains/images/lizard_th.jpg

Thats how i'd like to see the lizard on screen.

Thats either a bagley or a luke ross pic.

Actually, Sal Buscema from SSM # 238. Luke Ross took over in the next issue.

[spider-jide]

http://www.ugo.com/channels/filmTv/features/spiderman2/villains/images/lizard_th.jpg



Actually, Sal Buscema from SSM # 238. Luke Ross took over in the next issue.

Dammit i was so close.

[Caliber]

If they made Lizard should he have a lab coat because I'd go with the 616 look without a labcoat.

[spider-jide]

lizard should have a tattered and ripped lab coat.

[The Lizard]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/TheLizard/lizardsprite.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/TheLizard/sprite-venom.gifhttp://img58.exs.cx/img58/2804/sandman1ej.gif
I thought these guys were the big debate..........but I didn't count on him!

[Spidey-Bat]

venom sucks

[Visionary]

Could someone put up plenty of THE LIZARD pics by Todd McFarlane.

I love the savage boody nature of the character in those books, and I would love to see THE SAVAGE LIZARD on film.

[Arcturus]

Could someone put up plenty of THE LIZARD pics by Todd McFarlane.

I love the savage boody nature of the character in those books, and I would love to see THE SAVAGE LIZARD on film.

Here's some;

http://www.samruby.com/SpidA/Large/Spiderman004.JPG
http://www.samruby.com/SpidA/Large/Spiderman002.JPG

[Visionary]

Thanks.

Now, this is the savage Lizard I want to see on screen. Dead bodies all around him, drooling and wanting to rip flesh and break bones.:cool:

[mr parkerisback]

Lizard is not the villain.

[Hobgoblin]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/TheLizard/lizardsprite.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/TheLizard/sprite-venom.gif
I thought these guys were the big debate..........but I didn't count on him!


Ok, now that is cool looking. :D

[Arcturus]

Ok, now that is cool looking. :D

Im going to have to be in agreement. :yellow: :up:

[GoldGoblin]

Ok, now that is cool looking. :D

^We need the Man-Spider and Man-Wolf in their too.

[nedkelly404]

the lizard rules............

[nedkelly404]

a cool lizard........

[nedkelly404]

yet he'd look better with power tools!

[psylockolussus]

i want to see Lizard in SM4

[DACrowe]

Go Lizzy in SM3!

I will fight this lost cause now!

[nedkelly404]

how'd you like my poetry?:D

[stretcho]

No Lizard in SM3. Why all the Curt Connors references in the first two? Come on Raimi! You're breakin my balls here!

[GoldGoblin]

It is a mystery on why Raimi chose the Sandman over the Lizard.

[Arcturus]

If Lizard is going to be in a movie, he damn well better be ripping out spinal columns and shovin em up Spideys but.

Hiss, yeah, hiss or something.

[nedkelly404]

he will don't worry:)

[The Lizard]

I'm almost afraid to ask.....what happened to the "Venom Appreciation Thread"?

[Norm3]

I could see the Lizard as a secondary character in a two villain movie.

[Arcturus]

I'm almost afraid to ask.....what happened to the "Venom Appreciation Thread"?

It got deleted when some assclown for sake of a heated argument, decided to post one of those owned pictures, only this one had a nude woman with a plunger stuck on her face for some reason. And I think it was Dew who deleted the thread because of that, and the argument. Buts thats all I know.

[American_Hobo]

I'm almost afraid to ask.....what happened to the "Venom Appreciation Thread"?

i think someone posted nude picture on that thread so moderator closed it.

[GoldGoblin]

R.I.P. Venom.

[C. Lee]

I'm almost afraid to ask.....what happened to the "Venom Appreciation Thread"?
It had too much fighting and nude pics....if someone will start a decent new one....it will go up.

[Spidey-Bat]

I'm almost afraid to ask.....what happened to the "Venom Appreciation Thread"?

People stopped appreciating Venom. And there was fighitng and nude pics. Too bad we missed it:(

[The Lizard]

People stopped appreciating Venom. And there was fighitng and nude pics. Too bad we missed it:(

Oh for crying out loud. :rolleyes:

I had just recently put together a big detailed post on that thread listing all the "Guardian Symbiotes" with their names, pics, and action figures--- and now it's gone. :(

Oh well - that's what I get for trying to be helpful to the Venom fanboys....


---AND, on a totally separate note....10,000 views for this thread! Yay! :)

[boog_spin]

maybe the guy from wings is gonna play dr. conners/lizard...the other guy maybe was too old. or is he signed on for spidey 3?

[The Lizard]

maybe the guy from wings is gonna play dr. conners/lizard...the other guy maybe was too old. or is he signed on for spidey 3?

No official word yet on Dylan Baker (Dr. Connors from SM2) being signed on for SM3.

If T.H.Church were replacing Baker as Connors, the only reason I could think of would be if Baker weren't available for some reason. Baker is 46 years old and Church is 44, so the age difference wouldn't be a factor.

[GoldGoblin]

No official word yet on Dylan Baker (Dr. Connors from SM2) being signed on for SM3.

If T.H.Church were replacing Baker as Connors, the only reason I could think of would be if Baker weren't available for some reason. Baker is 46 years old and Church is 44, so the age difference wouldn't be a factor.

^It would be bitter sweet.

[Caliber]

I can see Church as Lizard/Conners. I think he could do family man that is desparate to find a cure.

[The Lizard]

Originally, before Dylan Baker was cast as Connors for SM2, I was thinking about who might be good for the roles of Martha and Billy Connors.

At first when I thought Curt would be played be a late-thirties-aged actor, I thought of Naomi Watts (http://imdb.com/name/nm0915208/) as Martha and Jack Revello (http://imdb.com/name/nm1046615/) (from The Hours) as Billy.

Since Baker looks like an older Curt Connors however, I've rethought those roles and come up with:
Diane Lane (http://imdb.com/name/nm0000178/) as Martha
http://img158.echo.cx/img158/2461/dianelane3kf.jpg

and David Dorfman (http://imdb.com/name/nm0233562/) (from The Ring) as Billy.
http://img158.echo.cx/img158/9968/l24209526kh.jpg

[psycho]

I could see Diane Lane as Martha and David Dorfman as Billy, good choices Lizard.

[Visionary]

Yeah, those two are great casting for Martha and Billy. The movie Lizard would be proud.:cool:

[Arcturus]

I agree, those are great casting calls by the Lizard.

[Caliber]

I could see Diane Lane as Martha and David Dorfman as Billy, good choices Lizard.

The would be great. I would love to see that kid get scared again.

[Arcturus]

i want to see lizared rip apart some peopli in a spdierman movei. it would be grate, watchg guts fly.

[Caliber]

i want to see lizared rip apart some peopli in a spdierman movei. it would be grate, watchg guts fly.

A sewer scene where a body is found and Lizard sees Spidey and has a piece of flesh in his mouth.

[Lethal Venom]

A sewer scene where a body is found and Lizard sees Spidey and has a piece of flesh in his mouth.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gifhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[spider-jide]

i want to see lizared rip apart some peopli in a spdierman movei. it would be grate, watchg guts fly.

As long as Raimi is directing, that will never ever happen.

[Spider-Fan]

That wouldn't happen period. Sony would not let a director show that, as these movies do have a kid audience to target. Blaming Raimi for something that wouldn't happen anyway is just stupid, as Sony is targeting kids anyway.

[GoldGoblin]

That wouldn't happen period. Sony would not let a director show that, as these movies do have a kid audience to target. Blaming Raimi for something that wouldn't happen anyway is just stupid, as Sony is targeting kids anyway.

^It sucks that we will never see anything like that in the movies.

[Arcturus]

As long as Raimi is directing, that will never ever happen.

Of course not. He's going to give us a friendly, sewer dwelling half man/half lizard thing. It was simply a comment of course, it would've been neat, but since alot of the audience will be youth, it's unacceptable.

[Jasmine]

That wouldn't happen period. Sony would not let a director show that, as these movies do have a kid audience to target. Blaming Raimi for something that wouldn't happen anyway is just stupid, as Sony is targeting kids anyway.

Well said.

[Arcturus]

Of course, this would be very interesting to see!
http://spiderfan.org/characters/images/lizard/sm5_voodoo.jpg
http://www.spidermedia.ru/gallery/sm_others/sm&other036.jpg

[LadyKayoss]

Oh, I love that bottom picture! What's it from?

[The Lizard]

Oh, I love that bottom picture! What's it from?

That's a painting by Gabriele Del'Otto, who's also doing the art for the current Secret War comic mini-series.

[Caliber]

That wouldn't happen period. Sony would not let a director show that, as these movies do have a kid audience to target. Blaming Raimi for something that wouldn't happen anyway is just stupid, as Sony is targeting kids anyway.

Have you forgotten the power Sony gave Raimi?

[dos_acoustic]

Have you forgotten the power Sony gave Raimi?

How much power did they give him...from what i can tell Avi Arad must have more power over Raimi because he likes sto stick his nose in and make horrible choices

[Caliber]

How much power did they give him...from what i can tell Avi Arad must have more power over Raimi because he likes sto stick his nose in and make horrible choices

Raimi chooses the villians and story and that determines alot.

[spider-jide]

Have you forgotten the power Sony gave Raimi?

Raimi hasn't been sanctioned much power at all. In fact, its more or less the same situation from when he directed the 1st movie. Sony just has a little more faith in him and thats where it stops. When it comes to the money, Sony are up Raimi's ass like a wedgie.

[spider-jide]

That's a painting by Gabriele Del'Otto, who's also doing the art for the current Secret War comic mini-series.

Is that mini series still going on?

[Spidey-Bat]

http://www.spidermedia.ru/gallery/sm_others/sm&other036.jpg
Must be in the movie!

I was on the Spider-Man ride in Islands of Adventure (Orlando, FL). They should re-design it with GG and Lizard replacing HG and Scream.

[TheSlag]

http://www.spidermedia.ru/gallery/sm_others/sm&other036.jpg


*wow*... simply... wow. Everything I imagined in a Spidey movie or fanfic with the Lizard... alll rolled into one picture. Outstanding.

[LarryLegend]

Great pic

[GoldGoblin]

That is a cool pic.

[GoldGoblin]

Does anyone know if Dylan Baker will be in S-M3 giving more depth to his character?

[The Lizard]

Is that mini series still going on?

I thought it was... Secret War # 5 isn't out yet is it?



BTW, the Spidey vs Lizard painting appears as a pin-up page in the back of Secret War #1.

[Visionary]

Does anyone know if Dylan Baker will be in S-M3 giving more depth to his character?
I'm hoping like hell that he is, I would love to see Connors' wife Martha and his son Billy, and maybe Peter working as his assistant after school; or a substitute teacher for him during school, or perhaps both.

[TheSlag]

Connors development, his family's, and Peter's relationship with Connors and his family, in SM3 could definitely give us a clue as to how serious Sam and Sony are about the Lizard in a future SM movie, perhaps SM4.

That said, I could see him being a cameo/token appearance again in SM3, and I could still see him (Lizard) being in SM4. SM3, IF Sandy, Hobgoblin, and possibly Black Crap is gonna be one busy little bee, not to mention Pete/MJ, Aunt May, JJ, Bugle, John Jameson storyline to tie up too.

It's all about priorties, I guess. Just wish Raimi's weren't so srewed up IMO.

[Visionary]

I have to admit, we are ALL asking for an awful lot of SM3. I've seen so many "I want this" and "I want that" and "I don't want this" and "I don't want that." All within a 2 hour film--we're just setting ourselves up for an orgy of an onslaught. It's going to be intriguing to see all the happy and sad faces of a lot of geeks come 2007.:o

I can't wait.:cool:

[The Lizard]

I have to admit, we are ALL asking for an awful lot of SM3. I've seen so many "I want this" and "I want that" and "I don't want this" and "I don't want that." All within a 2 hour film--we're just setting ourselves up for an orgy of an onslaught. It's going to be intriguing to see all the happy and sad faces of a lot of geeks come 2007.:o

I can't wait.:cool:

I'm not too worried myself. I asked for a lot in SM2 (including Lizard) that I didn't get, but I still had a good time at the theater. :)

[TheSlag]

http://www.spidermedia.ru/gallery/sm_others/sm&other036.jpg

This picture alone, would have me more excited about a Spider-Man movie with the Lizard, than any of the rumors we have for SM3 so far.

They should use this picture as a promo movie poster for the Spidey movie to come with the Lizard. Sweeeeeet. :up:

[GoldGoblin]

When the Lizard does show up in a spidey movie,he should look scary just like that pic.

[BizarroMe1001]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif I think they should do us all a favor and put BOTH Venom and Lizard in Spider-Man 3, but make it with a twist. Have the symbiote make its way on to Doc Conners. Now that would be awesome.


Just kidding....but that would a really cool visual.

[GoldGoblin]

If the Lizard was in the movie and grabbed spidey like that in the movie,do you think they would have the Lizard bite him with those razor teeth,or would that be too violent too put into a spidey movie?

[The Lizard]

EDIT: Yay - back to normal. :)

[psycho]

That pic abowe is very cool.

[Daisy]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif I think they should do us all a favor and put BOTH Venom and Lizard in Spider-Man 3, but make it with a twist. Have the symbiote make its way on to Doc Conners. Now that would be awesome.


Just kidding....but that would a really cool visual.

I don't know if Venom and the Lizard would be right in a film together, but I do think Lizard would do well in the same film where Spidey got the black suit. :up:

SM4... Lizard and A New Suit for Spidey. :D

That is if they don't do SM3: The Green Meanies (Lizard and Son of the Green Goblin). ;)

[The Lizard]

That is if they don't do SM3: The Green Meanies (Lizard and Son of the Green Goblin). ;)

I love the green Lizard, but if Lizzy and GG2 are in SM3, then I'd probably go with a black or brown-colored Lizard.

[Daisy]

I personally don't have a problem with the Green Goblin and the Lizard both being green.

I see the Goblin being the same green he was in the first film (http://www.moviecritic.ca/reviews/2002/spider-man/green_goblin_01.jpg), only with more purple. :mad: And the Lizard being more of a dusky, mottled green, like lots of real lizards. Like this: http://www.portsdown.org/images/ecology/others/lizard%200409%2005.jpg

Saying you have to change the color because you can't have two villains in green is to me like saying two bad cowboys can't both wear black hats... one has to be brown or grey or something.

[The Lizard]

I personally don't have a problem with the Green Goblin and the Lizard both being green.

I see the Goblin being the same green he was in the first film (http://www.moviecritic.ca/reviews/2002/spider-man/green_goblin_01.jpg), only with more purple. :mad: And the Lizard being more of a dusky, mottled green, like lots of real lizards. Like this: http://www.portsdown.org/images/ecology/others/lizard%200409%2005.jpg

Saying you have to change the color because you can't have two villains in green is to me like saying two bad cowboys can't both wear black hats... one has to be brown or grey or something.


I once again bow to the wisdom of Daisy.

[TheSlag]

I once again bow to the wisdom of Daisy.

Not me. I'm on my knees. ;)


err... "beggin". :D


Definitely agree, especially about the look of the Lizard.

[GoldGoblin]

The Lizard would mostly be white because of his lab coat would be covering most of his body.And the green would just be trim(the trim being his head,hands,feet,and tail).

[The Lizard]

The Lizard would mostly be white because of his lab coat would be covering most of his body.And the green would just be trim(the trim being his head,hands,feet,and tail).

That's quite the bizarre post there...congratulations. :D:up:

[Caliber]

The Lizard would mostly be white because of his lab coat would be covering most of his body.And the green would just be trim(the trim being his head,hands,feet,and tail).

Why a trench coat? Sure he looks like that in the comics but it would be better if he didn't have trench coat.

[TheSlag]

Why a trench coat? Sure he looks like that in the comics but it would be better if he didn't have trench coat.

Lab coat, not trench coat. And I would imagine they would make use of the tattered lab coat to minimize the details of the CGI, as well as not having to address the "Lizard Bits" :eek: ')

[Dugath]

As I said before i believe Lizard would have made a good story line. Kinda like that one Spider Man comic (cant remember the issue #).. Have it very dark, the lizard would be more of a mindless, killing machine, not the intelligent wanna turn everyone into lizards.. People are showing up in the hospitals, or just found dead.. sewer workers run in to the lizard (one manages to escape to tell the tale). So SM has to save the day..well... he gets trashed.. barely survives after an amazing first battle. He manages to crawl out of the sewers (or back alley or whatever)..falls unconcious, wakes up as he is in an ambulance being taken to a hospital.. one paramedic wants to unmask him, the other (perhaps a woman) says no, they should respect his secret.. SM being a good healer find himself well enough to get out of the ambulace and make his way home where he stays for some time whie MJ is all worried that next time he might die, and she wants him to quit..so now peter must make a choice between MJ and saving people.. and then when he eventually chooses to save people, MJ has to deal with the choice of leaving Peter or accepting he might not come back someday...ect..ect.

[Caliber]

Lab coat, not trench coat. And I would imagine they would make use of the tattered lab coat to minimize the details of the CGI, as well as not having to address the "Lizard Bits" :eek: ')

I see but I never liked the coat.

[GoldGoblin]

They would only need the CGI for the facial movements of the Lizard and for his action scenes.