SM3 Lizard Discussion

[The Lizard]

I've got to get the scaly ball rolling for the new SM3 forum, so here's where I'll do it.

Harry seems destined to become Green Goblin II in SM3, based on some supposed SM2 spoilers I'm choosing not to look at too closely at this point, but that doesn't mean that there's no way there couldn't be another villain in SM3 as well.

Lizzy seems to win most polls as the prefered villain choice for SM3 (he won the poll on the official Sony SM site as well), so I say BRING HIM ON IN 2007!!

[Keyser Soze]

II don't mean to be offensvie or anything, but I never really caught on to why The Lizard is so popular. Could you maybe tell me about some of the cooler Lizard stories so I can understand why he's such a popular villain?

[OtepApe]

Whilst I do like the Lizard. I also prefer him to Venom. I have never been a huge fan of his. I would like to see him in a Spidey movie, I mean he will look great. I would still like to see some villains before him though. Sandman, Electro and of course Scorpion. I would prefer to see those before the Lizard.

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by Keyser Kingpin
II don't mean to be offensvie or anything, but I never really caught on to why The Lizard is so popular. Could you maybe tell me about some of the cooler Lizard stories so I can understand why he's such a popular villain?

It's kind of funny you should say that because for the longest time I never really thought Lizzy was that super-popular either, judging by the fact that I seemed to be his only fan for years and years. ;)

He's always a popular villain with younger Spidey fans because he's a monster, and looks a lot like a dinosaur. For adults, particularly those who have an appreciation of the classic Silver-Age Spidey, there are different reasons.

Lizzy was the first Spidey villain who was actually a monster and not just a man in a costume. He was also the first villain who had almost all of Spidey's powers (super-strength, agility, wall-crawling abilities) except for web-shooters of course.

Plus, Lizard was a tragic figure, much like Peter Parker himself. Curt Connors didn't want to become a giant human-hating lizardman, it just happened.

For a list of Lizard appearences, with special attention given to some of the great ones, click on the "Lizard comic cover gallery" link in my sig below.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Lizard is lame IMHO.:p

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by I SEE SPIDEY
Lizard is lame IMHO.:p

You are certainly entitled to that sadly misguided opinion. :p

[Arcturus]

No we don't need Lizard for three!

Venom/Electro/Scorpion/Anyone but the Lizard!

:p

We need to stop with the scientists gone bad for awhile at least.

[The Lizard]

Lizard pwnz Venom. :)

[Arcturus]

Originally posted by The Lizard
Lizard pwnz Venom. :)

Lizard has nothing on Venom, my little rico sanchez of ignorance.

:p

[The Lizard]

Lizzy craps bigger than Venom, oh thou great fountain of deluded silliness. :)

[Arcturus]

Originally posted by The Lizard
Lizzy craps bigger than Venom, oh thou great fountain of deluded silliness. :)

There's probarbly alot of corn in Lizards crap then! Ay curumba!:eek:

:D

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by venom4life
There's probarbly alot of corn in Lizards crap then! Ay curumba!:eek:

:D

Corn, and bits of Howard Mackie.

[Arcturus]

Originally posted by The Lizard
Corn, and bits of Howard Mackie.

lol, I have to agree with you on this!:D

[The Kryptonian]

Lizard would be cool. I'd also like to see Carnage. Possibly Venom or Scorpion. :spidey: :venom:

[Venom Drool]

carnage?....nah....Venom...of course...no doubt...carnage...nah...lizzy....nah....and if they put him in...and he talks...i'll kill sumone

On a final note

Venom

[SenatorParker]

or how about, should venom and lizard ever be in the same movie? i know there was a book called Lizard Sanction that had both Lizard and Venom in it.

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by SenatorParker
or how about, should venom and lizard ever be in the same movie? i know there was a book called Lizard Sanction that had both Lizard and Venom in it.

Both of them in a movie? I doubt it.

Two monsterish villains with sharp teeth and most of Spidey's powers? That would be like having Morbius and Man-Wolf in the same movie.

[DACrowe]

The Lizard will be in SM3.

Look at it from a story prospective.

We want the MJ/Peter story and the Harry story to wrap up in the same film. Both need more development, we have to have a film where Pete and MJ settle with her knowledge he is Spidey before a marriage film, and Harry needs a film where he experiments on himself and begins his march towards transformation.

That means we need another film in between.

Plus look at it from a money stand point. We just had the Goblin in 1, and Doc Ock in 2, and another Goblin in 3? No. :eek:

That makes the rogue gallery look weak, we have to make the public want to see the Goblin again in 4, and that means we have to show Harry building to it.

And then we have the perfect villain to fit right in between...The Lizard.

The hunt to save a friend and succeed where he failed both Norman and Otto. Here The Lizard has a family, a wife a kid, this one is more personal. And he is in maybe a Mastermind predicament at the end (since I think it is clear it won't be in SM2 and I haven't read the book, but if it isn't, recall the 30th Anniversary issue where Spidey fought the Lizard and was under a pile of massive machinery and rubble again as an homage) and he won't fail this time, Billy and Martha are counting on him and MJ. He also would learn through Martha that love is acceptable with MJ.

And then Harry changes at the end.

[ang_hulk]

Lizard is in spider-man 2.Sand man could definitly work but his origin will have to change unless they can deviate his gamma origin from any hulk like villians or confine it strictly to radiation.I think it will look great and get the movie nominated for an oscar.Venom needs to be in constant movement.Flying through the air in a moving suit as though it was adjustin to the air and volocity.It would be like millions of flat slugs and when he lungs it gets just a bit ahead of him.

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by The Sabretooth
You got the title of this thread wrong.It's supposed to be,''The Lizard will be in SM3.''


Originally posted by DACrowe
The Lizard will be in SM3.

From your keyboards to the divine eyes of Sam Raimi, I hope you're right!

[ang_hulk]

The lizard is in spider-man 2

[SenatorParker]

Originally posted by ang_hulk
Lizard is in spider-man 2.


uhhh, do you know something I dont? maybe he will make a suprise cameo at the end, but he is not in the movie. This is Ocks show.

[The Demon's Head]

Originally posted by LordSimen
Lizard all the way. It doesn't steal from Harry's spotlight as the "Crazed lunatic" villian, and lets Spidey deal with someone who doesn't mean to hurt people, he just can't control himself. Kinda like a werewolf. Sounds good to me.

[DACrowe]

The Lizard could you just check out plot summary number 3 in my "plot summaries" forum or thread and/or whatever you want to call it, to get your opinion on my idea of handelling of the Lizard in the next feature film.

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by DACrowe
The Lizard could you just check out plot summary number 3 in my "plot summaries" forum or thread and/or whatever you want to call it, to get your opinion on my idea of handling of the Lizard in the next feature film.

Great treatment of Lizzy! I liked the whole "Lizard tries to cure himself" idea, as seen in ASM #365.
Did you decide not to incorporate the idea of Lizzy wanting to turn the human population into reptile-people into that story?

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by SenatorParker
I personally think this plot should be included to increase his threat. if the lizard just goes around attacking people it will be just like GG in the first movie where his plot really didnt have time to develop since it was origin movie? i think they improve this with ock actually having a specific plot to make havoc. hopefully, they will define the lizard threat more specificly with lizard if they use him by trying to make a race of lizards.

I agree.

Even if Lizzy needs to share the screen with a "bigger" villain in SM3 (like Green Goblin 2), he needs bigger plans than just attacking folks in the sewers.

The intelligent Lizard could pose the initial threat in the film, and then as Lizzy becomes more mindless and savage, Harry could step in to present the big threat to Spidey.

[DACrowe]

No, Lizard controlling the world, or turning everyone into Lizard people would be just stupid.

I went for a more interesting idea of #365 (as you saw) and the effects were bad as in it would cause like power deverted from Subway and mass crashes and out of control things and many people would die, the world nor even YC are in danger of destruction or domination, but hundreds to thousands of people could die because Lizard is more interested and selfish in treating himself than others.

And I'm sticking with Conners is a victime and hate how they turne Conners evil, that was the first bad move on Jenkins' behalf.

[Erundur]

The Lizard, I would love to see this character in action, but otherwise I would of liked to see Mysterio.

[Demogoblin]

Lizard, then Harry as Hobgoblin. It makes sense for Lizard to be next since Connors was just introduced. Besides, I want to see Harry do some behind the scenes manipulating in a movie before becoming Hobby. Then in the 4th movie his plans come to fruition and majorly ****s up Peters life.

[Robin91939]

Originally posted by Demogoblin
Lizard, then Harry as Hobgoblin. It makes sense for Lizard to be next since Connors was just introduced. Besides, I want to see Harry do some behind the scenes manipulating in a movie before becoming Hobby. Then in the 4th movie his plans come to fruition and majorly ****s up Peters life.
did u not read my original post, no harry as hobby, THAT WASNT HIM, WHY THE HELL DO "FANS" WANT THEIR CHARACTERS, F'D WITH. Thats like in Batman and Robin when batgirl was alfreds niece THAT SUCKED, u dont have to stay true to the last "t" the character should have the right identities, harry as hobgoblin is like having conners as the rhino or beck as spiderman for christ sakes

[OnlyBlackCat]

The Lizard is one of my fav villiains in the comic and the 90's cartoon with Doc Octopus, Scorpio and Morbius.

[The Lizard]

http://img42.photobucket.com/albums/v130/TheLizard/lizlib.jpg

I stole the original pic from the SoBe beverage site... sshhhhh-- don't tell them. ;)

[dred one]

Originally posted by The Lizard
I've got to get the scaly ball rolling for the new SM3 forum, so here's where I'll do it.

Harry seems destined to become Green Goblin II in SM3, based on some supposed SM2 spoilers I'm choosing not to look at too closely at this point, but that doesn't mean that there's no way there couldn't be another villain in SM3 as well.

Lizzy seems to win most polls as the prefered villain choice for SM3 (he won the poll on the official Sony SM site as well), so I say BRING HIM ON IN 2007!!

This GG2 idea is ****ing stupid why the **** are they recycling villians now. I agree with the lizard most people want lizard so put him in raimi DANM IT!

[Eomer]

I agree that Lizard should be in 3.

[Venom o sity]

u cant just put lizard and blow off the gg. its inevitable and if sm2 spoilers are correct, harry has to turn evil or at least pull the strings in sm3.

i think him hiring someone to be hobgoblin would work. u'd hobby and lizard. then in the end have harry murder hobgoblin and leave peter confused setting up for the grand battle of them all: spidey 4.

[The Green Goblin]

Next question...

Should Connors successfully, completely regrow his arm and if so, how long should it take?

Or should the transformation take place before or as it is growing.

I'm just wondering how "believable this (growing an arm) would be on screen.

[Boom]

I'd like it similar to this:
-Conners takes the serem.
-He becomes sick, dizzy, and dreary, and then his entire body is in a great pain.
-He transforms into the Lizard (While transforming his arm grows back) and tears his lab apart.
-He transforms back into Conners and falls unconscious.
-He wakes up, and he sees that his arm is back. At first he is filled with joy, but then he sees his ravaged lab.

[DACrowe]

Lizard should be changed wqhen 3 begins and it is a mystery Peter unravels (and very dark almost Batmanish but not quite) and the Lizard is then revealed in flashbacks to the poor Doc Conners' fate and stupidity in doing what he did. And we can learn to like him by seeing how he lost his arm (maybe as a doctor in a war or something) and at the end he tries to cure himself...but threatens half of the NYC underground (or at least Manhattan) and Peter saves him and cures and hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers...in a very tragic story. But he should be changed when it begins...I mean we already will have had seen Norman and Otto change at the beginning of each's respective film it would get tedious and laughable if Lizard changes at the beginning...but a mystery to unravel could be much more interesting.

GG2 for 4...dammit! :mad: Sam listen to the fans you can see who they want and you know well that 3 is too early to end the Harry and Peter/MJ story arcs...they need to go 4 films, not 3, hopefully this 3 year break before filming (and I guess 2 years between SM2 release and serious planning and pre-production for 3) will calm Sam enough to see he needs to do 4.

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by War Eagle
Next question...

Should Connors successfully, completely regrow his arm and if so, how long should it take?

Or should the transformation take place before or as it is growing.

I'm just wondering how "believable this (growing an arm) would be on screen.


As much as I hate to give any props to the much-maligned Spider-Man: Chapter One comic series by John Byrne, the way that Byrne had Curt's arm grow back in Chapter One # 0 (the "secret origins of villains" issue) was actually well-written.

Curt injects himself with the regenerative formula, then wakes up later that night with a small undeveloped arm growing out of his shoulder stump. By the next day, the arm is fully grown. It is only then that the arm starts to turn scaly and the Lizard transformation begins.

Again, a flashback sequence or montage could work to show this process onscreen.

[The Amazing Lee]

Well "The Lizard" has been cut from the Spider-man 2 game. This could be an indication that the Lizard will be one of/the villain in Spider-man 3.

I may be wrong but it sounds fairly appropriate!

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by Spiderfan_4eva
Well "The Lizard" has been cut from the Spider-man 2 game.

No way! Really?

After all those Lizzy promotional screenshots and the game preview on the MTV animated Spidey DVD? It seems really weird that Lizzy would just get cut from the game like that.

But if he was going to be in SM3, it could make sense.

Were did you get that info?

[cashmoneydan]

I agree Lizard for part 3. He is not a lame villian. Raimi likes personal confliict with his characters, and whats more personal than a man working on a cure for not only him but all amputees that ends up turning into a violent killing machine. Add on top of that he is Peters personal friend who must stop him but does not want to hurt him. Makes for a GREAT movie. Would finally get to see a bloody MEAn ravaged violent side of Spiderman too.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by The Lizard
Lizard pwnz Venom. :) Dumbest. post. ever.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Lizzy seems to win most polls as the prefered villain choice for SM3 (he won the poll on the official Sony SM site as well), so I say BRING HIM ON IN 2007!! You are aware that whoever posted that poll didn't even have venom as a choice, right?

[Boom]

You are aware that 99.9% of the "Spider-man 3 Villain" polls we have on this board have The Lizard as the winning candidate, right? And yes, Venom and Carnage are included in every poll.

Lizard for Spider-man 3.

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by Spiderfan_4eva
Well "The Lizard" has been cut from the Spider-man 2 game. This could be an indication that the Lizard will be one of/the villain in Spider-man 3.



Really? Interesting.

If thats true, could be even more evidence we'll see slithering in 2007.

[Boom]

This update on the Lizard being cut from the game is news to me. Are we 100% positive that this is true? If it is, well, I'm putting my hopes up higher on seeing the Lizard make his silver screen debut.

Hey guys, while on the subject of Spider-man 3, are the script writers for Spider-man 2 returning for Spider-man 3? Was this announced/rumored by any chance?

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by arachnid-kid
You are aware that 99.9% of the "Spider-man 3 Villain" polls we have on this board have The Lizard as the winning candidate, right? And yes, Venom and Carnage are included in every poll.

Lizard for Spider-man 3. You are aware that this is only a tiny message board that no one cares about, right?

[Boom]

You are aware that SuperHeroHype is looked upon as one of the most reliable superhero movie news/rumors sites in existence, right?

P.S., I'm sure that there wouldn't be 18,250 members if no one cared about this "tiny message board."

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by arachnid-kid
You are aware that SuperHeroHype is looked upon as one of the most reliable superhero movie news/rumors sites in existence, right?

P.S., I'm sure that there wouldn't be 18,250 members if no one cared about this "tiny message board." 18,000 is how much out of the number of people who will see the movie?

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by LORD_GALVATRON
Dumbest. post. ever.

No, that honor belongs to Venom fans, sorry. :)

[General_Grievous]

Originally posted by The Lizard
No, that honor belongs to Venom fans, sorry. :)

ha ha ha!

yes, Lizzie should be in SM3 because Curt Connors is in 2.

I hope that the CGI will be able to pull off a convincing Lizard.

[Ceb-Man]

The Lizard for Spider-Man 3!!
My favorate spidey villian!
The Ceb-Man!!!

[PV]

When I was a kid, I remember being really excited by the Super Mario Brothers movie (stay with me here) because it would have talking human/dinosaur hybrids. I just thought that was the coolest idea ever... then I saw the movie and it was arse. Right now, hopes for my shattered childhood dreams of big talking dinosaur-looking things rest on Sam Raimi and Dylan Baker. No pressure, guys... but if you fail me, I'll peel the flesh etc. etc.

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by PV
When I was a kid, I remember being really excited by the Super Mario Brothers movie (stay with me here) because it would have talking human/dinosaur hybrids. I just thought that was the coolest idea ever... then I saw the movie and it was arse. Right now, hopes for my shattered childhood dreams of big talking dinosaur-looking things rest on Sam Raimi and Dylan Baker. No pressure, guys... but if you fail me, I'll peel the flesh etc. etc.

This is actually quite true.

To date, there have been no quality live-action depictions of lizardmen-type characters in any film or TV series.

There are plenty of cool lizardmen in various video games ( Soul Calibur, Everquest, etc), but that's it.

Unless there's some fantasy movie featuring lizardmen coming out before summer 2007, the Lizard may be the very first.

[The Green Goblin]

I was disappointed in lack of Lizard referencing/foreshadowing in the film. Other than the fact Connors was in hit and he was missing his right arm, there was nuthin'.

Also, the fact they've gone out of their way to give us 2 straight sympathetic scientist mentors to Peter concerns me, as well as the revelation that Raimi was leaning toward having Black Cat in 2 and not Lizzy.

And when PP was at the table with Ock and Rosie I kept thinking that should be Curt and Martha!!! :mad:

But... apparently Liz WAS taken out of the game, so there's still hope.

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by War Eagle


But... apparently Liz WAS taken out of the game, so there's still hope.

Ah -- so that's true then? I was at Toys R Us yesterday, but I forgot to check out the boxes of the new SM2 games to see if Lizzy was mentioned on them.

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by The Lizard
Ah -- so that's true then? I was at Toys R Us yesterday, but I forgot to check out the boxes of the new SM2 games to see if Lizzy was mentioned on them.

I haven't got far enough in the game yet to know for sure, (basically becasue I suck at being SPidey. :o :D I'm much better at being bad. :gg: )

But in the games forum, they say there's a point whjere Bruce Campbell says Liz is not in it. However apparently there are Lizard-Men to fight in the sewers. :confused: (according to the game forums)

I dunno, but the fact that he was in the trailer and then pulled out at the last minute could be significant.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by The Lizard
No, that honor belongs to Venom fans, sorry. :) Nah, it goes to whoever said 'da wizzzzzzard pwnzoz venom'

[Spidey-Bat]

Lizard should be in SM3.

The last villians who should be in a movie are the following:
Venom
Carnage
Scorpion
Hobgoblin
Man-Wolf
Vermin
Jackal


Lizard is a great villian. He'll be awesome on screen. He just better not look like he did in MTV or the Ultimate version. He is one who should stay original.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
Lizard should be in SM3.

The last villians who should be in a movie are the following:

Scorpion
Hobgoblin
Man-Wolf
Vermin
Jackal


none of these minor league characters will make it into a movie. They just aren't strong enough characters to help carry a film.

[SpiderSensesTingling]

Originally posted by The Lizard
This is actually quite true.

To date, there have been no quality live-action depictions of lizardmen-type characters in any film or TV series.

There are plenty of cool lizardmen in various video games ( Soul Calibur, Everquest, etc), but that's it.

Unless there's some fantasy movie featuring lizardmen coming out before summer 2007, the Lizard may be the very first.

Not to argue with you, but I remind you of these:

The Gorn, who battled Capt. Kirk

The Sleestaks from The Lost Land

Greedo.

Hee hee hee

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by LORD_GALVATRON
none of these minor league characters will make it into a movie. They just aren't strong enough characters to help carry a film.

Thats y i said they are the last ones who should be put in a movie.

I'll admit, Venom can be. But Carnage is a piece of ****. All he does is fling the goo around. Hydro Man would make a better villian than him.

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by SpiderSensesTingling
Not to argue with you, but I remind you of these:

The Gorn, who battled Capt. Kirk

The Sleestaks from The Lost Land

Greedo.

Hee hee hee

Heh --- remember, I said "quality" lizardman. :p

You forgot to mention the lizard-aliens from the TV miniseries "V". :D

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by LORD_GALVATRON
Nah, it goes to whoever said 'da wizzzzzzard pwnzoz venom'

But that's the communication level you must sink to in order to converse with Venom fans. :D

[SpiderSensesTingling]

Originally posted by The Lizard
Heh --- remember, I said "quality" lizardman. :p

You forgot to mention the lizard-aliens from the TV miniseries "V". :D

Glad you enjoyed my list. Like I said, not to argue.:D

[SpiderSensesTingling]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
Venom can be. But Carnage is a piece of ****. All he does is fling the goo around. Hydro Man would make a better villian than him.

TRUTH!

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by SpiderSensesTingling
TRUTH!

u r a smart guy (or girl)

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by The Lizard
But that's the communication level you must sink to in order to converse with Venom fans. :D Which is ironic consideering you are coming off as the less intelligent one in this thread.

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by LORD_GALVATRON
Which is ironic consideering you are coming off as the less intelligent one in this thread.

no he isnt. If there is a thread about the Lizard, Lizard is the most intelligent person in it.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
no he isnt.Yes, in fact, he is. If there is a thread about the Lizard, Lizard is the most intelligent person in it. When you are demeaning other's opinions when they don't conform to your own and belittle someone's supposed lower intellect, you come off as less inteliigent. Sorry.

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by LORD_GALVATRON
Yes, in fact, he is. When you are demeaning other's opinions when they don't conform to your own and belittle someone's supposed lower intellect, you come off as less inteliigent. Sorry.

w/e dude. just get over it

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
w/e dude. just get over it yes, you should.

[CRIMEMASTER79]

I think the Lizard would be great for part 3 to go along with Harry.I think they could use The Child With Story and just use the Lizard instead of Vermin.Spider-man trying to help the Lizard while being attack by Harry/Goblin.

[combocaz]

Lizard could bring in some cool fight scenes say fighting in the sewers :D

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by LORD_GALVATRON
When you are demeaning other's opinions when they don't conform to your own and belittle someone's supposed lower intellect, you come off as less inteligent.

Can you see the irony in the fact that this statement is coming from you? Refer to your initial response to my post in this thread if you don't get it right away.

At first I thought you were joking, but since you seem to be taking yourself seriously for some unknown reason, I'll point out that when I made that "Lizard pwnz Venom" post, I was engaging in a friendly little insult-match with another Venom fan as we were jumping back and forth between our respective pro-Lizard and pro-Venom threads. It was a joke.

Now that I've taken the time to explain myself to you, which I still feel was NO requirement on my part whatsoever, you can get off your little high horse. Lighten up.

[Darnell]

Can the Lizard move really fast like in the MTV animated series?

[Spidey-Bat]

From SPider-Fan.org
Powers: (As Lizard) Extraordinary climbing abilities. Great speed and strength. Highly resistant scaled skin.

[Boom]

I think they should get another CGI company to work with Spider-Man 3, if (when) Lizard is in it.

The CGI team for Spidey 1 and 2 was decent, but there are better teams out there.

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by Darnell
Can the Lizard move really fast like in the MTV animated series?

Yup.

There are some GREAT opportunities for cool FX sequences involving Lizzy in SM3. Imagine a prolonged chase sequence where Lizzy is chasing Spidey up, over, and between buildings at high speed. I kept expecting to see something like that happen between Spidey and Ock in SM2, but since it didn't, it can happen with Lizard next time...

[Spidey-Bat]

a perfect scene would be Spidey chasing Lizard, Spidey loses him. Lizard then pounces on spider-man and they fall to the ground and right thru a manhole into the sewer.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by The Lizard
[B]Can you see the irony in the fact that this statement is coming from you?No, because there is no irony. Refer to your initial response to my post in this thread if you don't get it right away.You said lizard pwnzazorzaziz venom. I repliest dumbest. post. ever.

At first I thought you were joking, but since you seem to be taking yourself seriously for some unknown reason, I'll point out that when I made that "Lizard pwnz Venom" post, I was engaging in a friendly little insult-match with another Venom fan as we were jumping back and forth between our respective pro-Lizard and pro-Venom threads. It was a joke.Yeah, but then you had to throw in that 'sink to their level' crack, which negates all 'joking'.

[Spidey-Bat]

Hey dude, y dont u just shut up already. Dragging on an argument only lessens ur intelligence. The "sink to their level" was part of the joke. Lizard just opened up an argument to a Venom fan.

[DorkyFresh]

Someone else put it best...


...we need to stray away from the scientists gone bad for a lil' bit. 1 and 2 are fine, but by 3 it'd seem repetative.

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by DorkyFresh
Someone else put it best...


...we need to stray away from the scientists gone bad for a lil' bit. 1 and 2 are fine, but by 3 it'd seem repetative.

so wut? Each of them is different. It's a much better and simpler story than some symbiote possessing someone.

[Boom]

Lizard isn't a scientist gone bad, though. He doesn't go bad. He has no control over when he'll transform, and he certainly doesn't want to do what he does when he's the Lizard.

Look, each villain has a unique storyline. As long as their storylines stay unique, I see no problem with using another scientist as a villain.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
Hey dude, y dont u just shut up already.Looks like someone should take their own advice. Dragging on an argument only lessens ur intelligence.Correct me if I'm wrong[save it, I'm not]But didn't you just drag this on? The "sink to their level" was part of the joke.Sorry, when I read a reply to my post that says venom fans are less intelligent, it is not a joke.

[Spidey-Bat]

Looks like someone should take their own advice.
I shut up when I kno I should. So that comeback doesnt work

Correct me if I'm wrong[save it, I'm not]But didn't you just drag this on?
You ARE wrong. YOU could've stopped this as soon as Lizard explained himself. You have to give commentary on everything.

Sorry, when I read a reply to my post that says venom fans are less intelligent, it is not a joke.
yes it is a joke. you just dont have a sense of humor. He was merely engaging an argument with a Venom fan so he can discuss who is better (Lizard or Venom). You take it so seriously and assume he actually thinks Venom fans are stupid.

[ProdigyX]

Since Spider-Man has The Green Goblin, Spider-Man 2 has Doc Ock, then Spider-Man 3 must have The Lizard, due to the fact that Curt Conners was on SM2, so, he'll have to mutant during this movie obviously, and Black Cat could have a minor story and she could've put a backdrop on Peter and Mary Jane as Felicia Hardy, and then also get Spider-Man attracted to Black Cat, but for the final battle against Spider-Man against Lizard, since Lizard should have double strength than Spider-Man, then Black Cat ends up helping Spider-Man, then learns the truth about Pete's love for MJ, then moves at the very end

[Boom]

GALV, if The Lizard actually thought all Venom fans are stupid, then do you honestly think he'd be friends with so many people on these boards? 85% of the people here are Venom fans.

Lighten up.

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by arachnid-kid
GALV, if The Lizard actually thought all Venom fans are stupid, then do you honestly think he'd be friends with so many people on these boards? 85% of the people here are Venom fans.

Lighten up.

thank you. I cant believe it's taking 3 (or more) people to shut him up.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by arachnid-kid
GALV, if The Lizard actually thought all Venom fans are stupid, then do you honestly think he'd be friends with so many people on these boards?Doesn't matter. He said it.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
thank you. I cant believe it's taking 3 (or more) people to shut him up. Someone needs to shut up............

[Boom]

Yes it does matter. It was a joke. You are the only one who doesn't get that.

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by LORD_GALVATRON
Someone needs to shut up............

yes, and that person is you.

He said it b/c its a friggin joke.

why dont u save some time and leave or admit ur wrong

[Spidey-Bat]

Finally, we can now get back on topic. Whatever it was.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
yes, and that person is you.Not quite

He said it b/c its a friggin joke.Well, considering he said it in response to a post I made, and considering I don't know him or his 'jokes', I didn't take it as a joke.

why dont u save some time and leave or admit ur wrong Because I'm not. Sorry.

[Boom]

GALV, why not join our heated discussion in RedBull's topic?

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
I shut up when I kno I should. So that comeback doesnt workActually, it does, because you should shut up now, yet you don't.


You ARE wrong.Nope, sorry. Read the posts. YOU could've stopped this as soon as Lizard explained himself. You have to give commentary on everything.You could stop by shutting up.


yes it is a joke.To you maybe. you just dont have a sense of humor.Yes, because we all know belittling someone else's intelligence is SOOOOO funny. He was merely engaging an argument with a Venom fan so he can discuss who is better (Lizard or Venom).Then he should do it better, without the intelligence and opinion cracks. You take it so seriously and assume he actually thinks Venom fans are stupid. Assume? He flat out said it.

[Boom]

As a joke.

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by LORD_GALVATRON
Actually, it does, because you should shut up now, yet you don't.

Nope, sorry. Read the posts. You could stop by shutting up.

To you maybe. Yes, because we all know belittling someone else's intelligence is SOOOOO funny. Then he should do it better, without the intelligence and opinion cracks. Assume? He flat out said it.

I also "flat out" used those little smilie things when I "said it." You know -- :) and :D -- perhaps you've seen them before? They generally have a connotation of mirth or humor linked to them, you know.

LORD_GALVATRON, I really don't know what your problem is, or if you're always like this, or if you're just having a bad day today.

In any case, this is getting embarassing for you, and you're not going to "win", if that what's motivating you at this point. So let's please stop and move on with the topic at hand.


And that topic, for those who came in late:

http://samruby.com/Villains/Lizard/Lizard313.gif :D

[Boom]

Badass.

[H.JordanReturns]

Lizard should definately be in Spidey 3. Hands down he's a villain who matches up well with Green Goblin 2 and will not overshadow him during the film. And at the same time Harry will be able to match up with Lizard well (vs. the overpowering Venom) at the end of Spidey 3 when Harry has to redeem himself and fight Lizard.

[Boom]

Also, I want Lizard and Green Goblin 2 to be given equal focus. I don't want Lizard to be a minor villain and have the focus all on GG2, and vice versa. I don't want one to be better than the other.

Which brings me to my next question. How could they tie the Lizard's and Green Goblin 2's storylines together? The Lizard, I'd like to have your opinion on this.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by The Lizard
LORD_GALVATRON, I really don't know what your problem is, Your attempts at insulting others.

In any case, this is getting embarassing for you,I'm not the one insulting people's intelligence or opinions, sorry. and you're not going to "win", if that what's motivating you at this point. So let's please stop and move on with the topic at hand.Win what?If by 'win' you mean calling you out for your posts, I already did.

[Boom]

Let it go, for God's sake.

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by arachnid-kid

Which brings me to my next question. How could they tie the Lizard's and Green Goblin 2's storylines together? The Lizard, I'd like to have your opinion on this.

It's kind of tricky, but it could be done.

In my opinion, Harry shouldn't "Goblin out" until close to the end of SM3 for the simple reason that audiences already saw a whole movie of Goblin action in 2002 and there can't be too much repetition.

Harry's role could perhaps consist of funding several "unusual" projects, including that of Curt Connors, all in the secret hopes of tweaking his dad's strength-enhancing formula.

I personally believe that Lizzy should start out intelligent when he is introduced, but then devolve into the more savage beastial Lizard. The savage Lizard could perhaps end up being controlled/manipulated by Harry into attacking Spidey, with Harry finally snapping and becoming the Goblin II to finish the job himself.

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by LORD_GALVATRON
I'm not the one insulting people's intelligence or opinions, sorry.

OK -- for the LAST time...

"Lizard pwnz Venom" is not an insult.

THIS is an insult:
Originally posted by LORD_GALVATRON
Dumbest. post. ever.

You started this whole immature thing. You.

However, I have now finished with it. Please go bother someone else who feels the need to play your game.

[Boom]

I also like the idea of Lizard going from intelligent to savage.

I'd like the ending to play out in either of these two ways:

1)At the end of the Spidey and Lizard fight, Lizard retreats to the sewers. Fastforward to the Spider-Man and GG2 fight. During the fight, Lizard emerges and tries to do away with both of them (Being savage). GG2 knocks him away, and the fight continues. At the end of the fight GG2's about to kill Spider-Man, but Lizard (Now infuriated at being hit) tackles GG2 and tears him apart (Not literally). It ends with Harry being either unconscious or dead, and the Lizard slowly transforms back to Conners.

2) At the end of the Spidey and Lizard fight, Lizard retreats to the sewers. Fastforward to the Spider-Man and GG2 fight. During the fight, Lizard emerges and tries to do away with both of them (Being savage). GG2 knocks him away, and the fight continues. At the end of the fight, however, Spider-Man convinces GG2 that he did not kill Norman. The GG2 then relaxes. Then, Lizard (Now infuriated at being hit) returns. Spider-Man is too injured to fight, so GG2 fights Lizard, only to be beaten unconscious or to death. Then Lizard transforms back to Conners.

I know, the way I have these written out doesn't sound to cool. I'm sure the ideas could work with better script writing.

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by arachnid-kid
I also like the idea of Lizard going from intelligent to savage.

I'd like the ending to play out in either of these two ways:

1)At the end of the Spidey and Lizard fight, Lizard retreats to the sewers. Fastforward to the Spider-Man and GG2 fight. During the fight, Lizard emerges and tries to do away with both of them (Being savage). GG2 knocks him away, and the fight continues. At the end of the fight GG2's about to kill Spider-Man, but Lizard (Now infuriated at being hit) tackles GG2 and tears him apart (Not literally). It ends with Harry being either unconscious or dead, and the Lizard slowly transforms back to Conners.

I like it!!!!

I'd have Harry be dead, and Connors say "What have I done?" and Spidey says "Something I could never do"

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by The Lizard
[B]OK -- for the LAST time...

"Lizard pwnz Venom" is not an insult.No, but "You are certainly entitled to that sadly misguided opinion." and "But that's the communication level you must sink to in order to converse with Venom fans." are.




You started this whole immature thing. You. Sorry, incorrect. The posts prove this.

However, I have now finished with it. Please go bother someone else who feels the need to play your game. You should have finished before you got started and saved yourself the embarrassment.

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by LORD_GALVATRON
You should have finished before you got started and saved yourself the embarrassment.

You shoulda. Now just leave us to discuss lizard. You've already wasted 2 pages of ur crap b/c ur too immature to give up. get on with life.

[dred one]

Really hoping to see venom on film (hopefully in my lifetime) but lizard should be in SM3 hands f'n down.

[West]

yeah, i watched Spider-Man 2 again today. And I definetly think The Lizard(Dr. Connors) will be in Spider-Man 3. And YES, Dr. Connors has one arm in the movie. I paid attention. His right arm is missing. He rolls his right sleeve up on his clothing. So that's cool!

The Lizard will definitely be in Spidey 3! along with Harry as the Goblin.

And better yet, I'm watching the Spider-Man cartoon marathon on Toon Disney Channel right now! it's cool!! And also, this particular episode that just started right now is one where Spider-Man loses his Spider-Powers... this is so weird, it's just like how he lost his powers in the movie! He fell of the side of a building into a garbage can. ! haha.. turn it on! :)

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
[B]You shoulda.nope, sorry. Now just leave us to discuss lizard.Fine, dicuss lizard, who's stopping you? You've already wasted 2 pages of ur crap b/c ur too immature to give up.I'm not the one insulting opinions and insulting others' intelligence, sorry. get on with life. Yes, you should, but won't and will continue responding like a little puppet.

[DACrowe]

I think this is my second time posting this on this forum (well 3 but this a MODIFIED version)

I knew I would probably have to change my plot summary for Lizard after SM-2 and I was right, but this how you put Lizard in S-M3.

To be more specific Lizard in 3...yadda yadda yadda. Halfway through Peter proposes to MJ...he finds strength in the strength of Martha's love for Curt (even in danger). When Harry finds out (Peter and Harry talked earlier and Pete tried to explain to Harry that he did what he did for the good of people...and his father accidently killed himself and was the GG and tried to kill Peter, MJ, and literally a tram full of little kids). He doesn't believe our friend Peter, but reconciles it seems, but he has an angry and bitter and mean face when they hug.

After Pete reveals he and MJ are to marry, Harry sees his father again calling him weak, Peter stole "me away from you with his science, and then again when he killed me...he stole your girl...and he lied to you for years...you cannot trust him...are you gonna' let this happen...avenge me! AVENGE YOURSELF!" Anyways the Lizard thing happens Peter breaks his arm fighting the Lizard and he comes back battered and MJ has to care for him. She is hurt and isn't sure she can do this and Pete all of a sudden feels this won't work and tells her they should call it off...she could never handle being Spider-Man's wife.

Well at the end we have an ASM #33 thing where the Lizard is trying to cure himself but the machinery might kill him and when Peter tries to stop him the Lizard buries him under the rubble and under like 20 tons of cement and concrete Peter knows he could let Lizard die, let Curt die and he could rest. But with an injured arm still (just healing and out of a cast) he decides to lift the rubble...because Curt was his friend...and he won't let him die for Billy and Martha's sake...and for MJ's sake...

He lifts it up like 5 feet crawls out of it and dislocates the shoulder of his bad arm. In this form he swings up and somehow stopps the experiemtn takes on an unhealthy amount of electricty (it was some type of radioactive voltage Lizard put on himself) and as the conductor with radioactive blood he lessens the dagner and it actually cures Lizard.

At the end Pete swings MJ as spidey to the top of the Empire State Building. He takes off the mask and explains he goes here at night to clear his head. It is night, and he wants to know if she still wants that ring...he understands if she doesn't. She says yes, being Spider-Man's wife will be tough but Mary Jane Watson will do it...and as they embrace and swing off...Harry finally experiments on himself for hte ending scene.

This and thus sets up for GG2 and Peter's fight to the death in the final Raimi film...#4, and also the marriage to MJ.

[Spidey-Bat]

I dont like it. I think that Harry shouldnt sit back an entire movie, then become GG2 in SM4.

[West]

i heard that some character named Felicia will be in Spidey 3. maybe it's Harry's love interest.

but anyway, in Spidey 3, i think Harry will be terrorized by the voice of his father, and will eventually give in to becoming the Goblin.
and also, Dr. Connor will try to find a cure to re-generate his lost arm, by way experimenting with lizards, and how they regenerate their limbs. and then here's something that i believe will happen, that i got from some info site about the Lizard: "A serum was created and taken by Connors, with horrifying results. The lizard's DNA set into Connor's blood stream, changing him into a human Lizard. Dubbed the Lizard by the Daily Bugle, Connor's sought to change all of humanity in his own image. Spider-Man intervened, and the Lizard reverted back to Connors. Connors became the Lizard several more times, through accidentally taking the serum and through stress, which caused Connor's Reptilian side of his brain to take control. The Lizard would go on to fight Spider-Man." But wait... maybe at the end of Spidey 3, Spider-Man will intervene and help the Lizard revert back to Dr. Connors. And that's how that ends. He doesn't die. And maybe in a future movie, the Lizard will show up again.
But during this Spidey 3 movie, we might see a fight betwen the Lizard & Harry the Goblin against Spider-Man.
And I think Harry the Goblin decides to kill himself, becuz he gets fed up with his father's voice telling him to do evil things. Harry and Spider-Man have a heartfelt talk at the end, and says "it's for his own good" to kill himself. i don't know. And maybe that Felicia chick will have something to do with Harry changing his mind from being evil or something. ugh.. i don't know! i give up. my mind can't think right now.

[TheLizard]

I was just wondering, what was your favourite artist rendering of the Lizard. I really liked how the new spectacular Spiderman did him, first as a mostly lizard and then as very human. I also liked the old lizard in the Fist issue of spiderman with the Calypso storyline, the ultiamte Lizard kinda sucks though, kinda a giant iguana.

[Boom]

He's at the bottom left. I swear if the movie's rendering looked like that, I'd geek out. Of course the pants should be purple.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0307/18/amazing500.jpg

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by arachnid-kid
He's at the bottom left. I swear if the movie's rendering looked like that, I'd geek out. Of course the pants should be purple.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0307/18/amazing500.jpg

yet again. Something else we both agree on.

[The Lizard]

Ah, it at last seems that the level of thick-headed trollishness in this thread has dropped off somewhat... :p


In examining the "velociraptor" suggestion about Lizard's
appearance, I must say that I would much prefer a more lizardlike Lizard, as opposed to an overly dinosaurian version.

Lizardlike movements are a must as well, with "scurrying" motions up walls and quick head turns and tail whips, unlike the Jurrasic Park dinosaur motions.

[Darnell]

Man, how come the movie MJ doesn't look like that? I never really had a problem with Kirsten, but now that I've seen that photo. ...:(

[Spidey-Bat]

I feel the Lizard was never meant to look like this
http://www.mtv.com/onair/spider-man/flipbooks/images/lizard.jpg

Ah, it at last seems that the level of thick-headed trollishness in this thread has dropped off somewhat...

Thats b/c LORD_GALVATRON had to have the last word which we let him have.

[TheLizard]

Spidermand 500 though, did you see Lizard in it? He wasn't all that kool. I liked him in the Marvel Ages Spiderman one of the best too (I forgot that before). But what do you think of the Curt Connors in Spiderman 2?

[DorkyFresh]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
so wut? Each of them is different. It's a much better and simpler story than some symbiote possessing someone.
Not really...they're all science experiments gone wrong. Not if's, and's, or but's about it. Doc Ock, Norman, and Doctor Conners are all scientists and they're experiments turn against them. How is that different? Sure...they're different experiments and different people, but it's still the same recycled story element. I'm not saying I wouldn't mind seeing the Lizard in A Spider-Man movie...but for the 3rd one, I think they should stay away from the science experiments gone terribly wrong routine. Like I said...it's starts getting repetitive after the 2nd movie. SM3 should focus on Harry as GG2 (along with Pete and MJ's relationship).

[Spidey-Bat]

I dont think it matters if we use the same element. It's a good element. Lizard is more of the Jekyll/Hyde element.

[DorkyFresh]

It DOES matter that it's the same plot.

Spider-Man needs to save the city from an uncontrollable scientist.

Yes, it's a good plot and can be interpretted many different ways, but it becomes repetitive and hokey if it's used 3 times in a row.

[Spidey-Bat]

the plot would also consist of GG2 so therefore not be the same.

we can live with repetition

[DACrowe]

The Lizard how do you like my new treatment for film 3 revolving around the Lizard? ;)

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by TheLizard
But what do you think of the Curt Connors in Spiderman 2?

I like your screen name. :mad: ;) :D

I think Dylan Baker did a great job in his three short scenes in SM2. I still think he's a little too old to play Connors (who I picture as being around 32-36 years old), but Baker is a great actor, so I can't wait to see more of him in SM3.

Originally posted by DACrowe
The Lizard how do you like my new treatment for film 3 revolving around the Lizard?

Great work, man. :up:

With all the great Lizard-related ideas I've seen around here, there's no excuse for SM3's script not having similar good concepts.

And I'm sure the "nice scientist goes bad" idea can still be made fresh and exciting in SM3 if the writers are on the ball.

[Spidey-Bat]

I like your idea DACrowe. However, I kind would like to see GG2 in 3 aswell. But if Lizard is to be the one and only villian in 3, ur idea is best.

Personally, I like the idea of Lizard killing gg2 at the end of 3.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
Thats b/c LORD_GALVATRON had to have the last word which we let him have. Translation: We got punked and now have to deal with it.

[DorkyFresh]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
we can live with repetition
speak for yourself...

[TheLizard]

The thing I'd like to see if all of you are bored with the whole sience gone bad thing, Lizard could be different. Maybe they would make him in his completely feral form, not semi human. Then it would be Spiderman (humanity) vs. Lizard (savagery).

[DorkyFresh]

It's still a science experiment gone wrong situation. There's no way to have a faithful Lizard without having another science experiment gone wrong situation...

...if he's in the 4th Spider-Man, that's fine. But like I said...3 science experiments gone wrong in a row is just plain hokey.

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by LORD_GALVATRON
Translation: We got punked and now have to deal with it.

This proves he needs the last word. So he can have it.............again. And LORD_GALVATRON, we weren't "punked"
Originally posted by DorkyFresh
speak for yourself...

So if Lizard is in sm3 and he's as us say "nice scientist gone bad" you'd kill urself (or atleast die)?

Lizard isnt a nice scientist gone bad. He's a J/H villian. Connors cant even control when he becomes Lizard nor the amount of time he is lizard.

Also, the experiment didnt go wrong, it just had a side effect.

[DACrowe]

No it is "nice science going too bad" mainly he dide succeed at regrowing his arm, but it just didn't stop there...

And I think it is too early to have another Goblin and besides I think we need a film that tests Peter and MJ's commentment to their relationship and the Lizard say breaking Peter's arm in their second encounter (they'd probably have 3 which is the popular choice now) would do that. And once engaged that can be the final straw that broke the camel's back for Harry (who then experiments on himself because he is still hesitant at the end of SM-2).

I think 4 would be perfect then for GG2 and then we get also a wedding at the end.

And besides I want to see Raimi do Lizard and GG2 (if he does Tobey will and then MJ I mean Kirsten will probably come back for more $$) and I don't think doing them in the same movie will give either justice.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
[B]This proves he needs the last word. So he can have it.............again. And LORD_GALVATRON, we weren't "punked" You're just not living in the real world if you think that.

[Spidey-Bat]

He is nice going to bad, but not by choice. Ock and GG all chose to go bad.

LORD_GALVATRON, If I wasnt living in the real world, you wouldnt exsist. That's it. No more. If you do post one more thing, it proves you need the last word.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
LORD_GALVATRON, If I wasnt living in the real world, you wouldnt exsist.I would exist before you would. If you do post one more thing, it proves you need the last word. No, it just proves that you have to keep replying in an attempt to convince yourself that you're right. You're not. Get over it.

[Spidey-Bat]

Those of you who haven't posted in my thread How the Lizard Should Look (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=124177), post there

note: This is to everyone EXCEPT LORD_GALVATRON

[Figma]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
Lizard isnt a nice scientist gone bad. He's a J/H villian. Connors cant even control when he becomes Lizard nor the amount of time he is lizard. Also, the experiment didnt go wrong, it just had a side effect. "gone wrong" amd "had a side-effect" are both synonmous with "unintended consequences". So, you're probably splitting hairs.
Originally posted by DACrowe
No it is "nice science going too bad" mainly he dide succeed at regrowing his arm, but it just didn't stop there... Splitting hairs. It's completely "nice science gone bad", imho. You have poor Dr. Connors spending the rest of his life paying for his scientific miscalculations, and you're willing to declare his experiment a "success"? I think the proper view is that it "seemed" successful, but turned out to be a critical failure, as the result was utterly unusable. Not that whenever he reverted to Connors, he once again was missing his arm.
Originally posted by DACrowe
I think 4 would be perfect then for GG2 and then we get also a wedding at the end. I think Electro was the "Wedding" villain, wasn't he? I wouldn't mind them trying him for SM IV or V. Course... Spider-man V. Yeah... it already looks like it should be a "V". :)

~ Figma

[Spidey-Bat]

Connor's arm did grow back from his formula, but his side-effect was turning into a humanoid hybrid Lizard.

Figma, I NEVER said I think 4 would be perfect then for GG2 and then we get also a wedding at the end.
DACrowe did. Please edit that. (im not supporting a weding)

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
Those of you who haven't posted in my thread How the Lizard Should Look (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=124177), post there

note: This is to everyone EXCEPT LORD_GALVATRON Which pic, the one with everyone in it or the one where he looks like a cross between a raptor and a cobra?

[Spidey-Bat]

pic with everyone

[nobycane]

So why can't the following possibility work:

- in SM2 we see two possible set ups... Harry finding the secret lair of his father and the Green Goblin arsonal, and Dr. Conners briefly discussing neogentics at the university.

So if Peter works further with Dr. Conners on a "project" and something goes wrong....ala becoming a mutated being The Lizard while attempting to grow and develop gentics.

At the same time, Harry dawns the Goblin outfit and seeks the ultimate revenge on PP/SM.

The catch for the third movie would be this...while the Lizard is reeking havoic on the city - and Spiderman is attempting to stop him....at the same time the new Goblin is is also reeking havoic to catch and elimate Spiderman.

So Spiderman has an old fasion mexican standoff, and his hands full. The twist would be Harry is mentally unstable and becoming sick like his father - torn between friendship with Peter Parker, and seeking revenge on Spiderman for the death of his father.

Just a little synopsis IMO.

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by nobycane
So why can't the following possibility work:

- in SM2 we see two possible set ups... Harry finding the secret lair of his father and the Green Goblin arsonal, and Dr. Conners briefly discussing neogentics at the university.

So if Peter works further with Dr. Conners on a "project" and something goes wrong....ala becoming a mutated being The Lizard while attempting to grow and develop gentics.

At the same time, Harry dawns the Goblin outfit and seeks the ultimate revenge on PP/SM.

The catch for the third movie would be this...while the Lizard is reeking havoic on the city - and Spiderman is attempting to stop him....at the same time the new Goblin is is also reeking havoic to catch and elimate Spiderman.

So Spiderman has an old fasion mexican standoff, and his hands full. The twist would be Harry is mentally unstable and becoming sick like his father - torn between friendship with Peter Parker, and seeking revenge on Spiderman for the death of his father.

Just a little synopsis IMO.

I want the movie to end with Lizard killing Harry/GG2. Have him sorta just leap out of nowhere but rather then pouncing spider-man, he hits gg2 and just fights him as they fall.

[SpiderSensesTingling]

no need to kill him.

Rule number one at Marvel: Bucky stays dead.
Rule number two: Only Bucky stays dead.

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by SpiderSensesTingling
no need to kill him.

Rule number one at Marvel: Bucky stays dead.
Rule number two: Only Bucky stays dead.

1) That rule only applies to the comics.
2) You always forget:
Rule #3: No one or thing can change rule 1 and/or 2

[DOCock!!!!12345]

if only there was a way to e-mail sam raimi !!! and pitch ideas

[SpiderSensesTingling]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
1) That rule only applies to the comics.
2) You always forget:
Rule #3: No one or thing can change rule 1 and/or 2

It's true that I care more about the comic books than I do about the movies, but that doesn't mean I think the movies have to be just like the comics.

But, for some reason I can never remember your rule #3.

Must be because of your rule #2. LOLIYF

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by SpiderSensesTingling
It's true that I care more about the comic books than I do about the movies, but that doesn't mean I think the movies have to be just like the comics.

But, for some reason I can never remember your rule #3.

Must be because of your rule #2. LOLIYF

the 1) and 2) weren't rules. It's just my way of saying "First...Second..."

[SpiderSensesTingling]

Well, rules 1 and 2 originate from Marvel, actually, and not from me. If you're going to make up your own rule #3, then I figured you must have a rule #1 and #2.

[Advocate05]

Rami is not writing it ... Millar, Goulgh, and ??? are the writers.

[The Lizard]

I don't think that the Lizard should die at the end of SM3 (if he indeed is in the script) for several reasons:

1. The last two movie villains have "died" (yes, they both could still be alive, but we're supposed to think they're dead).

2. Since Lizzy's alter-ego is Dr. Connors, a friend of Peter's who has a family, the death of Lizzy would not be a "satisfying" villain death since an innocent man would also die.

3. The capture and containment of the Lizard would give a chance to show something new and interesting in the film, like a government-run lab to study Lizzy, or a supervillain prison a la' The Vault.

4. The tragedy of Curt Connors could enable Peter to put his own troubles in perspective and aid in the growth of his character in the film.

[Advocate05]

Th Lizard~ how about Shield comes in and picks up the Lizard for "Further study". Since they already mentioned that theres more than Spiderman in the city. And more heroes in the world. I think that would be cool to see. The Helipad hovering over the city and some Shield agnets capturing The Lizard and taking him away. Then, you see the billowing smoke and the eye patch. And Nick Fury thanks Spiderman for holding the creature long enough.

[spider-ryan8]

The Lizard should be in 3, and to be honest I would be oftly surprised if he wasn't. He should be viewed as a tragic uncontrollable monster figure but who does have a very real human and family side to him, moreso than Norman or Otto. I think Raimi could have a field day developing the human side of Curt and exploring his J/H complex, and I believe the result is a character the audience can sympathsize with. Three crazed scientist in a row does seem a lil repetitive but, i dont have a major problem with it since they each have their differences.

I would go for GG2 and The Lizard in #3. My story would go somewhat as Harry is very conflicted at the start of the movie, yes he knows he has to avenge his father, but he wants to have some work done on the performance enhancers (test them, improve them to fix his father's mistakes, tweak the goblin costume hopefully and so on). So Harry brings in Dr. Conners. Curt works on the performance enhancers but at the same time wants to use Oscorps facilities to further his regeneration study. One day Curt brings Billy to Oscorp with him for a take your child to work day or something, while there Curt shows Billy some of his work on his reptile study. Harry then comes by and sees the relationship Curt and Billy have, something that him and his father never had and it enrages him. At this same time he also learns of Dr. Conners side project that he didnt realize he was help pay for and lashes out at him physically and verbally infront of Billy. Eventually Curt does turn into the Lizard but alot of his rage is focused towards Harry who does take his new improved performance enhancers and becomes the next goblin. This sets up a relationship where The Lizard wants Harry dead, Harry as the Goblin wants Peter dead, and Peter is just stuck in the middle as someone who wants to save a person he respects (Dr Conners) and keeping him out of harms way and chases him all around town and such; while also trying to mend his relationship with his former best friend harry who is over the edge at this point as the goblin. Peter would be in such a tangled web, and i think its a truly intresting dynamic. Another idea that i would toss out there is that when trying to improve the performance enhancers of his father or after being unsuccessful in killing Peter, Harry combines Dr. Conners work on thinking it will make him unstoppable. Since his father as the Goblin was killed by Spider-Man he has to make improvements to avoid a similar fate and the result is an insane goblin/lizard hybrid. this would solve the problem of the goblin suit looking like a power ranger villan, and also show that Harry is completely over the edge in wanting to avenge his father... feel free to shoot that part down..... but venom in #4

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by The Lizard
I don't think that the Lizard should die at the end of SM3 (if he indeed is in the script) for several reasons:

1. The last two movie villains have "died" (yes, they both could still be alive, but we're supposed to think they're dead).

2. Since Lizzy's alter-ego is Dr. Connors, a friend of Peter's who has a family, the death of Lizzy would not be a "satisfying" villain death since an innocent man would also die.

3. The capture and containment of the Lizard would give a chance to show something new and interesting in the film, like a government-run lab to study Lizzy, or a supervillain prison a la' The Vault.

4. The tragedy of Curt Connors could enable Peter to put his own troubles in perspective and aid in the growth of his character in the film.

I agree, mostly because of reason #3. Although at one time I favored a TRUELY tragic "tale" :o in which Connors as The Lizard sacrifices himself to save his son (whom he has kidnapped) from his evil persona.
BUt we've already seen the reformed scientist turn good in the end and save the day with Ock (which by the way :rolleyes: :mad: )

My question is how violent should the Lizard be? Should he kill? And if so how do you redeem Connors of that and put him back in to society. I'm not sure that in a film it will work for Connors to just go back with his normal life the way he has (at times) in comics and cartoons.

So alive or dead, I still see him as a tragic horror movie figure doomed to destroy himself or to be a lab specimen the rest of his life.

BUt hell, they've given us a "good" Doc Ock and everyone seems to be OK with it, so who knows? :D

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by War Eagle

My question is how violent should the Lizard be? Should he kill? And if so how do you redeem Connors of that and put him back in to society. I'm not sure that in a film it will work for Connors to just go back with his normal life the way he has (at times) in comics and cartoons.

Since I'm in favor of seeing the intelligent talking Lizard for at least part of Spider-Man 3, I'll say that I don't want Lizzy to be TOO bloodthirsty. Remember that in the comics Lizzy considered humans to be beneath him, and only went out of his way to kill Spider-Man. Now, if Lizzy devolves into a more savage Lizard in the McFarlane comics tradition, he will become much more deadly, but even then I would prefer to see him tear into a SWAT team or some bounty hunters as opposed to innocent people.

[TheLizard]

Amen.

[Tony Stark]

I think you could setup an interesting scenario with Lizzard in the next movie. By the time the next movie comes out, Peter would have graduated college and be moving on to graduate school, where he could work more directly with Dr. Conners.

[Advocate05]

I second that.

[Dr.Dude]

I'm all for Lizard in Spider-Man 3. :up: He's always been one of my favorite villains since I about 4 years old, :D ;) definitely deserves to be in a Spider-movie, and I'd love to see how Raimi approaches him. :) IMO, he really put to use his "horror-roots" for Doc Ock's tentacles and as result made them truly menacing... and I can imagine him doing the same, maybe even better, for the Lizard. Only without the tentacles, obviously. ;)

[The Green Goblin]

Yes Raimi's love of the horror genre would be so fitting for The Lizard.

Would be classivc 50's sci-fi/terror at its best with tons of possiblities for scary moments. Not to mention the personal and tragic relationship between Peter, Connors and his family.

And I agree, there should be more to it than just a Macfarlane like velociraptor running around. The Lizard is one of the most complex villains in the whole gallery IMO. We should see him in various stages of decline.

[Boom]

We must find out what hotel Sam and Ted are staying at. We could send them fanmail asking for the Lizard.





I must be losing my mind.

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by arachnid-kid
We must find out what hotel Sam and Ted are staying at. We could send them fanmail asking for the Lizard.


We should send them a crate full of lizards. :D

[Boom]

That'd be brilliant.


Bellboy: "Mr. Raimi, a package came for you."
Sam Raimi: "Thank you."
Ted Raimi: "There's a note on it. What does it say?"
Sam Raimi: "It says, "Good luck coming up with the story for Spider-Man 3. We think we can help you out. You'll get the idea.""
*Sam opens crate*
Ted Raimi: "What is it?"
Sam: "It's a crate of lizards, dressed up in little white coats."

[LORD_GALVATRON]

What, no tattered pants?

[Dr.Dude]

Originally posted by arachnid-kid
That'd be brilliant.


Bellboy: "Mr. Raimi, a package came for you."
Sam Raimi: "Thank you."
Ted Raimi: "There's a note on it. What does it say?"
Sam Raimi: "It says, "Good luck coming up with the story for Spider-Man 3. We think we can help you out. You'll get the idea.""
*Sam opens crate*
Ted Raimi: "What is it?"
Sam: "It's a crate of lizards, dressed up in little white coats."
Ha. :D

[Venom o sity]

i'll tell u all why lizard is the best candidate for SM3.

Keep in mind the different themes of SM movies.

SM1 = origins/ birth of a hero
SM2 = struggles that come along w/ the mantle of being a hero

I havent read comics in a long time but i did watch the Animated Series. Dr. Connors has always been that friend Spidey relied on for help whenever he had problems ala the symbiote costume and his 6 arm ordeal.

SM3 should focus on Peter/Dr. Connors relationship. I dunno.. have lunch together. Dr. Connors inviting Pete to a backyard barbeque or picnic w/ special guest cameos by lizards that spoil the party. My point is Lizard is perfect choice for SM3 because he adds that other element of Peter's humanity. Spider-man/Peter Parker doesnt know everything about science. I dont mind if Peter and Dr. Connors go off on scientific jargon but the fact is there is a strong relationship between Spidey and Dr. Connors.

In a sense, Dr. Connors can be that living mentor that helps Spidey cope w/ his problems. SM3 should focus on the theme of family. Spidey cant just let Lizard go off on a killing rampage.. he has to save Dr. Connors, whatever humanity maybe left in the lizard creature.

[Figma]

Originally posted by The Lizard
The last two movie villains have "died" (yes, they both could still be alive, but we're supposed to think they're dead). Yes... and the world must think that they ARE dead until they can control the raging spirit that dwells within them. den den DAAAAAAA!
~ Figma

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by arachnid-kid
Sam: "It's a crate of lizards, dressed up in little white coats."

Awwwwww...cute. I want one.

Originally posted by Figma
Yes... and the world must think that they ARE dead until they can control the raging spirit that dwells within them. den den DAAAAAAA!
~ Figma

Ooooo-- somewhat obscure TV Hulk reference! :D :up:

[Figma]

Originally posted by The Lizard
Ooooo-- somewhat obscure TV Hulk reference! :D :up: I figure once it appears on Family Guy, it's somewhat less obscure... especially when Peter Griffin is referring to Jesus Christ. So very bad. :)

~ figma

[Boom]

You can't have a Spider-Man franchise using Classic villains without The Lizard.

[DACrowe]

Yeah.

The Lizard....I know you read my past plot summary, but have you checked my new (after seeing S-M2) concept?!

I think there is room for great drama with Lizard.

The origin inparticular where he lsowly forms and maybe hhe gets attacked when his own family runs in fear from him, by a gang when he goes outside (Bruce Campbell could be a smartass in that gang) and he slowly grows a tail and fangs in this scene. That and his scene with Billy and Martha reunited in Lizard form should have a real Darkman flair to it, and that leads of course to the ASM #33 scene....

sorry but just wanted you as a fellow Lizard fan's opinion.

[The Lizard]

An interesting note about the Master Planner issues of ASM # 32-33 that feature Dr. Connors....

On the original letters page in ASM #32, there's a B&W photo of a fan-made Lizard costume! Before Lizzy even made his second appearance, some crazy fan had made a costume of him for some parade! :D :up:

[xxplaymakerx]

I think the lizard would look pretty badass on the big screen. And with there being one film completely about the goblin already. I think that GGII and The lizard would make a pretty good duo for spidey to go up against and the average movie goer won't feel like they are seeing the same movie over again. And plus who doesn't want to see a lizard swat a spider around NYC for a little awhile.

[The Green Goblin]

He looked very "badass" in the video game trailer. (that he was apparently cut from :confused:).

But in Mysterio's hideout, there is a Lizard mask. :D

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by War Eagle
He looked very "badass" in the video game trailer. (that he was apparently cut from :confused:).

But in Mysterio's hideout, there is a Lizard mask. :D

:) I'm going right home after work to try what you suggested to find that SM2 game preview, you know!

If you hear an echoing scream of anger around 6PM EST, you'll know I wasn't successful. :D


xxplaymakerx - Welcome to the Hype! Good to have another Lizard-supporter from my home state of Florida (and Dr. Connors' home state as well!).

[The Green Goblin]

You'll find it. ;)

Just follow the trail of bugs and small frogs and snakes I left for ya big fella. :D

[Dr.Dude]

Originally posted by War Eagle
He looked very "badass" in the video game trailer. (that he was apparently cut from :confused:).

Hmm...Maybe it's because Sony suddenly decided they wanted to use the character in some future movie, and not have him as an "extra" villain in the video game which would thereby be "out of continuity" if they had used him? :confused: ... I hope so, anyway. ;)

Only thing that 's saddening to me about the idea of not ever seeing villains in the games is that it makes me kind of doubt I'll ever get to see the Vulture in the movies. :( :o

[Dr. Bromwell]

No Lizard for SM3... It's dissappointing that Dr. Connors was brought up in the first...and actually a character in the second. When you've still got Sandman, Electro, Mysterio to choose from yet...Lizard is way down the list.

For a storyline....Scorpion or Venom would be perfect. JJJ would play a role in either of those. And you could still work GG2 in without a problem.

[Boom]

Sandman over Lizard?



Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

I'm sorry. You have the right to your own opinion.


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

[Dr. Bromwell]

Don't argue with Tobey...he wants Sandman too.

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by Dr. Bromwell
Don't argue with Tobey...he wants Sandman too.

tobey isnt writing sm3. Just b/c he wants him, doesnt mean its possible. as far as budget goes, lizard is higer up than sandman

[Boom]

Your point is? Tobey Maguire isn't the one coming up with the story, is he?

And I'll argue with him all I want. Sandman is a terrible choice as a main villain.

[Dr. Bromwell]

Should have put a smiley face next to that comment. I realize Tobey's not writing SM3 and good luck argueing with him.

That said, a talking Lizard in a lab coat isn't the best villain available. Mainstream fans aren't gonna buy it on the big screen....I'd have to see some conceptual art but I'm picturing the Geico lizard human-sized in a lab-coat.

[Boom]

What do you mean "Good luck arguing with him?" What the hell? I don't need good luck to argue with him. He has as much say as I do when it comes to the plotting of the story for Spider-Man 3.

As for Lizard, you obviously know nothing about the "villain." He's a tragic character that offers interesting character development, and offers spectacular fight sequences with Spider-Man (He has just about all of Spider-Man's powers).

[Dr. Bromwell]

Kid, "good luck" finding him (any other qustions?) to explain how Lizard's powers are the same. Whatever that means. Does he have webshooters or are they organic? Oh, and I realize he's strong and crawls walls so don't waste your time.

Lizard's STORY is good...I agree. But Scorpion's is just as "tragic" and Sandman would look very cool on the big screen...especially as a side-villain to GG2 which will be the focus of the tragedy I'm guessing.

[Boom]

Yeah, I got a question. Why do I need good luck finding him? I have no desire to find him. :rolleyes:

Lizard's powers:
-Superhuman strength
-Superhuman speed and reflexes
-ability to stick and crawl on walls

Sounds like a pretty difficult and challenging foe, wouldn't you say?

I agree with you when it comes to Scorpion for the most part, but I fail to see where you're going with Sandman. So Lizard wouldn't look very cool on the big screen?

[The Green Goblin]

My approach is for Connors to have a slow transformation (ala 80s The Fly) and Connors is more of a disfigured but intelligent "freak" for part of the movie, not a talking lizard in a lab-coat. :p

Finally the creature's prehistoric brain takes over and he begins to turn cold, unfeeling with primitive urges... to feed and to reproduce. This could be the small part of the movie where he forms some sort of "agenda".... but not in a cheezy way; again more dark and scary, like The Fly.

Ultimately he transforms in to a savage Raptor like monster with no significant intelligence (and no lab-coat). Spidey must face this dangerous creature, while trying not to hurt "it" and attempt to save his friend from himself.

Could be visually awesome IMO, and potentially a dark, chilling film. Lizard is the most complex villain in the rogue's gallery IMO, and if done right (with the different stages) it could work well. Not to mention the deep personal story of Spidey and the Connors family.

Lizard is a must, and he could be adapted visually for the screen.

[DACrowe]

Oh please would anyone not laugh at a man dressed up in a giant Scorpion suit who's armor now would look identical to GG's in the first movie?

Lizard is much more interesting than Scorpion. Scorpion is a knucklehead who chose to become like that for money, and was naturally becoming an evil s.o.b. Curt didn't choose it, but his own greed and determination to cure himself and humanity (a cross between both Norman and Otto's goals but some of his own because he is the only one who really has a personal gain from his experirments) turn him into...this thing. And the relationship between him and Martha and Billy could be heartwrenching and more powerful than anything with otto or Norman. And the fighting in the sewers could be fascinating, think of giant brick and metal catacombs, poorly lit with huge walls and bases reaching around like a spiraling maze, with huge water drops below and hard concret all mixed and crossed around, though the sewrs may not really look like that, they have been drawn like that many a time on purpose in the Spider-Man comics.

And to save one man from himself is Peter's mision and a man who is trying to control a monster from within that is now apparent on the outside and his constant switching from a weak and clouded minded Curt to a monsterous Lizard creature is far more interesting than a second tier and second stringer villain like Scorpion who more or less ripped off Lizard's tail.

[Boom]

That was beautiful DACrowe :up:.

[Dr.Dude]

Originally posted by War Eagle
My approach is for Connors to have a slow transformation (ala 80s The Fly) and Connors is more of a disfigured but intelligent "freak" for part of the movie, not a talking lizard in a lab-coat. :p

Finally the creature's prehistoric brain takes over and he begins to turn cold, unfeeling with primitive urges... to feed and to reproduce. This could be the small part of the movie where he forms some sort of "agenda".... but not in a cheezy way; again more dark and scary, like The Fly.

Ultimately he transforms in to a savage Raptor like monster with no significant intelligence (and no lab-coat). Spidey must face this dangerous creature, while trying not to hurt "it" and attempt to save his friend from himself.

Could be visually awesome IMO, and potentially a dark, chilling film. Lizard is the most complex villain in the rogue's gallery IMO, and if done right (with the different stages) it could work well. Not to mention the deep personal story of Spidey and the Connors family.

Lizard is a must, and he could be adapted visually for the screen.
Doing Curt Connors transformation ala The Fly could be truly haunting and perfect for this villain.

Having the transformation happen slower that way gives you more sympathy for Curt than if you jump in when he's already the Lizard. Naturally, I'd prefer that once he changes into the Lizard he only changes back at the end of the movie if ever, as it would be too similar to the Hulk otherwise if he changes back and forth---And if you slowly show how after the experiment Connors starts losing hair, his overall body stance turning slightly more reptillian, his tastes changing, being struck with violent inhibitions, his skin roughly giving way into scales... it increases sympathy and allows you to get a good look at who the character Curt Connors is, putting him from what his perspective would be the worst possible situation that could happen, before he finally fully becomes a mindless reptillian monster. Obviously he'd have to transform slightly faster and differently than Seth Brundle(The Fly) did, or else Spider-Man would only be able to fight Lizzy once at the end, but that's obvious. ;)

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by Dr.Dude
Having the transformation happen slower that way gives you more sympathy for Curt than if you jump in when he's already the Lizard. Naturally, I'd prefer that once he changes into the Lizard he only changes back at the end of the movie if ever, as it would be too similar to the Hulk otherwise if he changes back and forth---And if you slowly show how after the experiment Connors starts losing hair, his overall body stance turning slightly more reptillian, his tastes changing, his skin roughly giving way into scales... it increases sympathy and allows you to get a good look at who Connors is before he fully becomes a mindless reptillian monster. Obviously he'd have to transform slightly faster and differently than Seth Brundle(The Fly) did, or else Spider-Man would only be able to fight Lizzy once at the end, but that's obvious. ;)

Yay! People are agreeing with me! It feels so good....

[Boom]

I like the idea as well. It adds to the character development.

[Dr. Bromwell]

You go Lizard...you're going Jekyll and Hyde. Too close to Norman and Otto. 3 doctors...3 movies...it would be too redundant. Mainstream folks will want something different for SM3.

Lizard in a dark Spidey movie would be the only way to go...but dark is Batman's thing at the movies. I'm wondering if a lizard/spidey fight scene in daylight could be done. A character like that has never been done (well) in daylight.

[Boom]

As long as the stories are unique, the mainstream folks won't care.

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by Dr.Dude

And if you slowly show how after the experiment Connors starts losing hair, his overall body stance turning slightly more reptillian, his tastes changing, being struck with violent inhibitions, his skin roughly giving way into scales...


You nailed it Dude! :up:

And its like you've read the rough draft of my fanfic. :eek:

"The Beast in the Mirror

...Connors stands in the bathroom, shirtless. He looks into the mirror. C/U: He pulls back his lower lip to reveal a loose, bloody tooth, that plops into the sink. He brushes away dry flakes of skin from his face and notices that his hair is thinning..."

Martha walks up and we see her concerned, almost fearful look in the mirror....

Connors struggles with his humanity
"...Connors is sitting upright, eyes wide open. He is sleeping. We see the color of his skin has noticably changed to a pale,almost greyish tint.His ears have gotten drastically smaller. The eyebrows have thinned almost to the point of nothingness, helping to magnify his now seemingly enlarged brow.

Suddenly "life" returns to his eyes and he is awake. Connors, stretches and yawns, running his hand through his hair to scratch his head. Clumps of hair fall out but he doesn't seem to notice... or mind. He immediately goes back to writing notes...then stops and slams his pencil down in frustration..."

[Kipobe]

*Edit...

Lizard in 3! :up:

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by Dr. Bromwell
I'm wondering if a lizard/spidey fight scene in daylight could be done. A character like that has never been done (well) in daylight.

watch Jurassic Park. If it can be done very well in 1993, it can be done even better in 2007.

[Dr. Bromwell]

Are we talking a Lizard with Human Characteristics? Or just a big lizard like the MTV iguana lookin' thing?

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by Dr. Bromwell
Are we talking a Lizard with Human Characteristics? Or just a big lizard like the MTV iguana lookin' thing?

we're talking about humanoid lizard. that mtv lizard (and ultimate) is crap. but even still. the dinosaurs were CGI and extremely well done for their time. so we can easily make a humanoid lizard from the current cgi tech. and make it look realistic.

[Figma]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
so we can easily make a humanoid lizard from the current cgi tech. and make it look realistic. --So, let me get this straight... make a HUMANOID LIZARD look REALISTIC. I think that's a contradiction. LOL. :) Since none of us know what one REALLY looks like, I'm sure no matter what they do, I doubt anyone will be convinced. :p

~ Figma

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by Figma
--So, let me get this straight... make a HUMANOID LIZARD look REALISTIC. I think that's a contradiction. LOL. :) Since none of us know what one REALLY looks like, I'm sure no matter what they do, I doubt anyone will be convinced. :p

~ Figma

read a recent issue of sm with lizard to see wut a humanoid lizard should look like. dont be such a pecimist.

[Figma]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
read a recent issue of sm with lizard to see wut a humanoid lizard should look like. dont be such a pecimist. Was it painted by Alex Ross? :p I'm just messing with ya. Witness another smilie. :)

~ Figma

[Leprechaun9]

quote:
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Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
watch Jurassic Park. If it can be done very well in 1993, it can be done even better in 2007.
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Well said.

[Boom]

I don't think the audience will care, just as long as the movie is good, and the villain is good.

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by arachnid-kid
I don't think the audience will care, just as long as the movie is good, and the villain is good.

and the villian has to look cool too.

[Dr.Dude]

Originally posted by War Eagle
You nailed it Dude! :up:

And its like you've read the rough draft of my fanfic. :eek:
Heh. :D The similarites are actually startling. :eek: ;)

I can definitely imagine the image of Dylan Baker looking into the mirror, hair thinning and skin slowly becoming scratchy, rough and scaley... there's something vaguely reptillian about his face. ;)

[DACrowe]

Well if science go awry is the only redundant thing in the Spidey franchise I'm cool with that...considering audiences will see movies like Bad Boys and Fast and the Furious repeat as long as he looks cool and adds a little variety (and he would move and look and do things quite different from Otto and Norman and his experiment can be much different than their's too) they won't care.

See my thread on how he should transform.

We should gets hints of a stressed out and semi-crazy Curt halfway through who should just disappear, and then when Spidey defeats Lizard (well no Lizard defeats Spidey rather and breaks his arm) Spidey finds out from Martha in a flashback about the late stages of the transformation.

And the early ones could include Peter checking if he is okay and Curt chasing him out and then an arm slips out from being hidden in the coat after Peat leaves and Curt removes the glove and the hand is green and he grits his teeth and injects himself with something...

Then in the flashbacks he comes home normal and reveals his arm to a shocked and scared Martha but it is human looking and he seems to have controlled it but that night he gets out of bed and looks in the mirror in the bathroom. His face is green and scaly he looks at his arms they are too. He scares his own family out of his house. In fear and anguish he gets dressed, his eyes are now red and he is wandering the streets hoping nobody sees him. A gang member (I say Bruce Campbell should play this part) is a smartass as he tries to mug Curt and lifts the hat to see an even more disformed Curt. Curt grabs and tosses the guy through (as in smashing it in half) a street lamp. This is behind them.

A gang circles Curt in disgust and taunt him before they start jumping him. As they dog pile him Curt's head comes out his eyes glaze over with fury. He sinks his fangs (that just grew out) into the neck of one of his attackers. A gang member stabs Curt in the back with a knife just then a tail whips out under the crowd and knocks the stabee through the wall of the alley they are in. He goes through and into the building most likely dead, but we never know for sure. The others run as the Lizard (without the snout but he is growing bigger, the snout will come later this is the 60's version) lets go of its prey in his mouth as the hairs fall out completely and the Lizard sees a gutter as it begins to rain and he craws into it.

The next time we see him is when a sewer worker sees red eyes and glimmering fangs coming near him and then again when Spidey sees the tail chasing something in the sewers and again in Curt's lab is our first real look at him, and he should look like McFarlen's Lizard in Torment maybe a little bit more like his 30th anniversary issue incarnation. Either way that is his look and y'all should and I note SHOULD know my story from there.

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by DACrowe

Then in the flashbacks he comes home normal and reveals his arm to a shocked and scared Martha but it is human looking and he seems to have controlled it but that night he gets out of bed and looks in the mirror in the bathroom. His face is green and scaly he looks at his arms they are too. He scares his own family out of his house. In fear and anguish he gets dressed, his eyes are now red and he is wandering the streets hoping nobody sees him. A gang member (I say Bruce Campbell should play this part) is a smartass as he tries to mug Curt and lifts the hat to see an even more disformed Curt. Curt grabs and tosses the guy through (as in smashing it in half) a street lamp. This is behind them.

A gang circles Curt in disgust and taunt him before they start jumping him.


Again... more similarities. ;) I like your ideas.

I also used flashbacks, but I have Spidey putting the pieces together in 2 parts. One, through talks with Martha about his history and how he lost his arm, and the time spent in the swamps "studying". Two, after Connors turns savage and goes underground., Spidey discovers some of Connors' notes and learns how he had experimented on himself and lizard specimens to put 2 and 2 together.

I also have Lizzy breaking bad on a band of punks. :D BUt I had a guilty COnnors leaving the house on his own instead of scaring his wife and child away.

I've read your stuff DA, and I especially like the subway train idea. Very good. :up:

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
watch Jurassic Park. If it can be done very well in 1993, it can be done even better in 2007.

You took the words right outta my mouth.


Originally posted by Dr.Dude

Obviously he'd have to transform slightly faster and differently than Seth Brundle(The Fly) did, or else Spider-Man would only be able to fight Lizzy once at the end, but that's obvious. ;)

Good point, and its why the use of a second/supporting villain could help the story along while Connors is "slipping away."

[The Lizard]

As far as a CGI Lizard goes, I have a few thoughts - some repetative, of course.

I'll admit that there are certain FX companies that I'd REALLY like to see do the Lizard CGI that won't be used by Sony, unfortunately (WETA and Centropolis come to mind). However, there has indeed been enough improvement in the CGI between Spidey 1 and Spidey 2 that I'm quite optimistic that the next 2 years will bring even better improvements in what Sony can do.

Also, the successful blend of prosthetics and CGI seen in the closeups of Ock's tentacles shows that an equally successful blend of similar Lizard FX is possible. We definitely need to see some close-up scenes where a non-CGI Spidey is grappling with a non-CGI Lizard. I want to see some real sharp teeth and real Lizard drool in Spidey's face!

[maico]

Originally posted by The Lizard
I want to see some real sharp teeth and real Lizard drool in Spidey's face!

:cool: cool!!!

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by arachnid-kid

Ted Raimi: "What is it?"
Sam: "It's a crate of lizards, dressed up in little white coats."

http://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v146/WarEagle/liztail-aniav.gifhttp://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v146/WarEagle/liztail-aniav.gifhttp://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v146/WarEagle/liztail-aniav.gifhttp://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v146/WarEagle/liztail-aniav.gifhttp://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v146/WarEagle/liztail-aniav.gifhttp://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v146/WarEagle/liztail-aniav.gifhttp://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v146/WarEagle/liztail-aniav.gifhttp://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v146/WarEagle/liztail-aniav.gifhttp://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v146/WarEagle/liztail-aniav.gif

[Boom]

Splendid. I'll build the crate :up:.

[Spidey-Bat]

i'll pay for the postage

[Dr.Dude]

Nothing really important, but a little interesting... :o

http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=8423
So just who will be next? Peter Parker’s best friend Harry Osborn is a good bet (he ultimately succeeds his father as the Green Goblin), as is Mary Jane’s astronaut fiancé (who becomes Man-Wolf). However it won’t have escaped the attention of fans that among the characters in Spider-Man 2 is Parker’s one-armed physics professor Dr Kurt( :mad: ;) ) Connors. Might he try to regenerate his missing appendage – as he did in the comic books – and mutate into The Lizard?

“Well, that’s a great question,” beams Raimi. “I don’t want to give you the answer though because I don’t want to spoil what we’re working on for the third picture … But we put him in this one for that possibility.”

[Spidey-Bat]

wut kind of idiots think Man-Wolf will appear?

[Advocate05]

The ones that know Rami is following the first 10 years of the Spiderman comic and not the current Ultimates or 80's run of the Spiderman franchise.

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by War Eagle
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Now THAT'S what I call a chorus line! :up:

[Stifmeister]

i hope that Lizard is gonna be in Spider-Man 3 but i dont think so i think that Harry is gonna be the new Goblin SPIDER_MAN RULES:spidey:

[The Lizard]

Of course, we have several different artists' visions of what Lizard should look like that have been presented over the years.

Which one will be the closest to the movie-version Lizzy? Will any of them be close at all?

I'll post some pics of the basic major changes in Lizard design we've seen over the last 40 years, and you can decide for yourself which has the most potential, or which elements you prefer.


1. Ditko-style Lizard

http://img42.photobucket.com/albums/v130/TheLizard/ditko_lizard.jpg
Recolored Ditko art- 1963

http://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v146/WarEagle/untitled.bmp
1967 Spider-Man cartoon

http://samruby.com/Series/UntoldTales/UTOS09_small.JPG
Ron Frenz - 1996

The original version of the Lizard, as drawn in Amazing Spider-Man #6 from 1963. Artist and creator Steve Ditko gave Lizzy his familiar labcoat and purple pants, but drew his head to look somewhat humanoid. If you flip through ASM #6 (or a reprint), you'll notice that in some panels Lizzy's snout is bigger than in others, but for the most part, this style is remembered as the "flat-faced" Lizard.

Lizzy was also depicted in this style in his first animated appearance, the 1967 Spidey episode "Where Crawls the Lizard."

[The Lizard]

2. Traditional-style Lizard

http://img42.photobucket.com/albums/v130/TheLizard/romita_lizard.jpg
John Romita - 1960's

http://img42.photobucket.com/albums/v130/TheLizard/romita_lizard_70s.jpg
John Romita - 1970's

http://samruby.com/Villains/Lizard/Lizard313.gif
Todd McFarlane - 1980's

http://www.alaph.com/spiderman/pictures/cartoon/sm1-01b.gif
Animated Series- 1990's

http://www.a-bd.com/images/products/ART_71608_256.jpg
Art Asylum Lizard bust - 2001

This is the basic version of the Lizard that most comic and cartoon fans are familiar with, and associate with the "traditional" depiction of the character.

When John Romita drew the second Lizard story in 1967's ASM #44-45, he added a longer more lizardlike snout to Lizzy, as well as the familiar rips on the pants.

In the 1970's, artist Gil Kane added more pronounced claws and teeth (most clearly seen in a Marvel Team-Up #19 panel from 1974), thus giving comics fans the familiar Lizard traits that would remain pretty constant over the next 20+ years.

Some minor variations existed from artist to artist (for example: Ross Andru's pointy-nosed Lizard in ASM #165-166, Mike Zeck's bug-eyed Lizard from Secret Wars, Todd McFarlane's toothy alien-like Lizard from Spider-Man #1-5, and Alex Saviuk's bulky muscular Lizard from Web of Spider-Man #111), but the basic Lizard design remained familiar, and this image is still what most quickly comes to mind when one thinks of the Lizard.

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by The Lizard


Which one will be the closest to the movie-version Lizzy? Will any of them be close at all?




The way I see it, they can utulize elements of several of the "looks" as Connors SLOWLY transforms.

For example, in the beginning, just as effects of the serum are beginning to take over, they could use the Ditko-ish look, with the "humanoid" face, and in full clothing (including THE lab coat ;)).

We see him "progress" in to a larger and more lizardish form wearing rags.

And finally, we get a completely animalistic and mindless ( but bipedal ) monster with the Macfarlane head. (heh heh, that'd actually be funny... a lizard with Tod macfarlane's head :o)

Someone said you could "shrink down the Sony Godzilla and you'd have it". Lose the things on the back and actually I don't think thats a bad idea (as long as we've alrady seen the various other stages of progression by that point). I could live with it.

[Agent Thermal]

They could make it somewhat like "The Fly," only, with a bit less emotion and more action, considering that it's a SPIDERMAN movie...like War Eagle says, it could be a SLOW transformation, just like in "The Fly." That's what I meant.:)

[The Lizard]

3. Ultimate-version Lizard

http://www.marvel.com/toybiz/spiderman/previews/72079.jpg

I had to use the action figure pic for this version, since there aren't a lot of panels from Ultimate Team-Up #10 or Ultimate Spider-Man #60 out there right now.

This Ultimate Universe Lizard resembles a "basilisk" lizard, with fins and an angular head. There are some tatters of clothes and pants, but not necessarily a full lab coat. Skin is grey and legs are more lizardlike than human.

[Spidey-Bat]

Edited: Originally had the Ultimate Lizard pic which can be see above

[The Lizard]

Thanks, dude. :)

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by The Lizard
Thanks, dude. :)

ur welcome

[The Lizard]

4. Lizard-clone

http://img42.photobucket.com/albums/v130/TheLizard/lizardclone02.jpg
Spider-Man Super Special #1, 1995

http://img42.photobucket.com/albums/v130/TheLizard/lizardclone01.jpg
Prime # Infinity, 1995

Just like Spider-Man himself, the Lizard had a disappointing clone-related storyline in the mid-1990's that is best forgotten. A large, brainless, beastial Hulk-like Lizard was introduced as part of a Scarlet-Spider storyline in 1995, and it was assumed that the new creature was a further mutated version of Curt Connors. However, it was revealed in a 1996 Spectacular Spider-Man storyline that the "Lizard II" was actually a clone of sorts, grown from a piece of the true Lizard's tail. The real Lizard killed the Lizard clone, leaving nothing of that storyline behind except the muscular, finned Lizard designs you see above.

[The Lizard]

5. MTV Spider-Man animated version Lizard

http://img42.photobucket.com/albums/v130/TheLizard/MTVlizarddesign.jpg
http://img42.photobucket.com/albums/v130/TheLizard/MTVlizardhead.jpg
http://img42.photobucket.com/albums/v130/TheLizard/MTVlizardprofile.jpg
http://www.blister.jp/shop/item_html/up/120030801008-2.jpg

Sort of a blending of Ultimate Lizard, the Lizard-clone, and a healthy dose of Velociraptor, the design for the CGI animated Lizard by Adelaide Productions and Mainframe Entertainment represents a very bestial and dinosaurian version.

[Agent Thermal]

I personally believe that a good mixture of the Todd McFarlane design and the MTV design would be IDEAL for a live-action movie - but, of course, that's my opinion.:rolleyes:

[The Green Goblin]

Oh mighty Lizard, (<---- :rolleyes: :o )

could you please translate "NNGYEEE!" for us? :D

[Agent Thermal]

I think it's his form of a grunt...if you actually WANTED to know what it was, instead of joking...;)

Good point about that - I was wondering the same myself.

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by War Eagle
Oh mighty Lizard, (<---- :rolleyes: :o )

could you please translate "NNGYEEE!" for us? :D

Well, it's actually "NNGYEEEH!", and I believe it roughly translates to "I am a lame mid-90's plot device, and deserve to die immediately!" - or something along those lines. ;)

[Agent Thermal]

I wanna learn that language! It's so conservative - an entire sentence in two syllables - I need an English/Lizard Dictionary...:p

Nice one, "The Lizard."

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by The Lizard
5. MTV Spider-Man animated version Lizard

http://img42.photobucket.com/albums/v130/TheLizard/MTVlizarddesign.jpg
http://img42.photobucket.com/albums/v130/TheLizard/MTVlizardhead.jpg
http://img42.photobucket.com/albums/v130/TheLizard/MTVlizardprofile.jpg
http://www.blister.jp/shop/item_html/up/120030801008-2.jpg


Worst. Lizard art. Ever

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by The Lizard
Well, it's actually "NNGYEEEH!", and I believe it roughly translates to "I am a lame mid-90's plot device, and deserve to die immediately!" - or something along those lines. ;)

I knew there was a deeper meaning.

There you have it ladies and gentlemen. Be sure and tune in for tomorrow's episode of Ask The Lizard. :D

[The Lizard]

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Originally posted by War Eagle
The way I see it, they can utulize elements of several of the "looks" as Connors SLOWLY transforms.


And, once again - you are correct sir.

[SLYspyda]

i want the lizard to look like the Romita70's , 90's cartoon, and art asylum versions.

after seeing SM2, im beginning to see lizard as a villain the movie, but he'll need another one also who is all bad, as much as i hate it, it's going to be GG2.

and keep in mind guys, it's easier to make CGI of non-human models look real. like animals, venom's face, robots, e.t.c. so CGI lizard is no problem at all

[SLYspyda]

they are going to try and make the lizard as different from the hulk as possible. so we might not see the immediate transformation at times of stress, if we do, it'll only be once.

[Casius--J]

Nah lizzards ok but i'm not sure if he can carry a film on his own, cause he just squeels!

[Golgo-13]

The lizard can hold down a movie!
It'll be a nice change in pace to see spidey battle a villain as savage and primal as the lizard. A villan that can't be reasoned with or can't be manipulated. The lizard is indeed one of my favorite spidey villans.

[Dr.Dude]

Originally posted by War Eagle
The way I see it, they can utulize elements of several of the "looks" as Connors SLOWLY transforms.
Ditto. A Ditko-esque Lizard is the obvious starting point, and I'd have that evolve to eventually ending up as a sort of combination of the McFarlane design and the MTV-show Lizard...but please, no fins. :o And while the labcoat can eventually get torn off or something, I'd really prefer that he doesn't lose his pants and spawn all kinds of creepy imagery... :eek: :D ;)

But honestly, I'd be happy with any of the above Lizard-designs, with the one glaring exception of the crappy Lizard-clone. Besides the fact that seeing pictures of it stirs up extremely bad memories, :mad: ;) it has fins that honestly look exactly like wings. :bomb: Which just looks incredibly off.

[Spidey-Bat]

i think by the mid-end to end of the movie, lizard should look like this
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Spidey-Boy523/amazing500.jpg

its the McFarlane version with a little MTV (w/o fins) in it.

[GoldGoblin]

Should the Lizard get his arm cut off at the end of the movie somehow,then we see Dr. Connors with no arms?

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by GoldGoblin
Should the Lizard get his arm cut off at the end of the movie somehow,then we see Dr. Connors with no arms?

why?