Why do you prefer DC?

[The Leaguer]

I've always been a DC man, rather than Marvel, so I was wondering which of you guys prefers DC over Marvel, and why? Is it the artists, the writers, the characters, or something else?

For me, its always been the characters. DC has characters I love, which is good for the obvious reasons, and characters I hate, which is also good because they provoke a reaction, but there isn't a DC character that I don't care about. Marvel has a great many. For example, I've tried reading X-Men many times, but just couldn't make myself care about them. I still like Marvel, and read quite a few Marvel titles, but I just like DC's characters so much more. So, why do you guys prefer DC?

[Bat-Mantis]

I prefer DC because they're more of an ideal.
I'd rather not be reminded about how much my life sucks ass. I'd rather not remember that rent is two weeks past due.
But I do want to think that I can make a difference in the world. I do want to see these mythic figures and be inspired to do the right thing.
I want to see Superman stop a nuke from hitting Metropolis; I want to see Batman track, then beat the hell out of a serial-rapist. I want to see Hawkman swoop in and KO a purse-snatcher with his mace.
I read DC comics to temporarily escape from reality. I read DC comics so I can have something larger than life to aspire to be. I want to read about beings that can save life after life, solve crime after crime, punish criminal after criminal because, in the real world, I can't quite do things like that.
I don't want to read about a whiny little guy fighting a villain while worrying about getting home in time for dinner. I just don't dig that. I don't read to be reminded about life, I read to escape it for a while.
And that is why I prefer DC. (And Marvel ain’t that bad either)

[Phoney Bone]

More continuity, proving it can be done, and done well, JOE Q!
Better heroes in general.
Better stories.
Thinking about what Bat-Mantis said above. Marvel is the grunge of comics.:D

[hippie_hunter]

DC has continuity and Marvel doesn't. Don't get me wrong I like Marvel's character's and know the basis, I just don't read their comics

[Rob Lobo]

i chose dc coz i needed inspiration mostly from the character itselfs. i believe those character gives hope of justice and ideal and what it takes to be a superheroes coz it ain't easy. i still like marvel but not as much as dc coz marvel just fight for the sake of it's own right but dc fights for everyone's right. i don't know what i'm saying anyway but i'll give a better explaination soon.

[Assassin32]

Batman and Superman.:up:

[Elijya]

well, I read DC comics because they're really ****ed up. and I should specify by saying I read ALOT of Vertigo :D

and DC's only had continuity for about 20 years, since Crisis. Marvel's only been slacking lately with continuity. do you guys not realize how ****ed up DC continuity was pre-crisis? How about Hyper-time, huh?

[TheCorpulent1]

I like DC because their characters are pretty much set. They don't feel the need to do something big to change the status quo every few issues like Marvel seems to. And they manage to keep everything in the important forms of media (re: comics and cartoons) standardized. Read an issue of Superman/Batman, it feels like you're watching an episode of the Superman/Batman cartoon. A kind of crappy episode, since Superman/Batman hasn't exactly had the best stories so far, but still. I like that consistency.

Also, DC seems to be willing to give its second-tier characters more of a chance. I had barely heard of Arsenal before Outsiders, but now he's one of my favorite characters.

The continuity issue is a little iffy for me. DC does have better inter-title continuity, but I suspect that's due mostly to Geoff Johns and Judd Winick, both of whom are DC-exclusive right now. Their comics are the ones with the best connectivity by far.

[The Kryptonian]

Even though Superman is my favorite superhero and DC has a lot of awesome heroes, but I have to say, I like Marvel a little more.

I won't give my reason though, don't want to start any fights.

[Dwarf lord]

I like it because if I want to read a superhero comic, I want there to be superheroes in it not myself in a costume. I don't want to read about a person who has my problems. I want them to fly and wear capes and fight for truth, justice and the American way! Not fight for housing, money and food. I want people who are larger than life (Only Captain America fits this bill). Also the books are much better. Geoff Johns, Judd Winnick, and Jeph Loeb are my favorite writers and they work for DC. My favorite books are there. Books like Flash, Green Arrow, JSA, Teen Titans, and Outsiders are what comic writing is all about. And my favorite title on the market right now (Superman/Batman) is what a classic team up is all about. And my favorite characters like Flash, Batman, and Green Arrow are there. And my final reason... NO BENDIS!

[Gamestar2004]

I was a big fan of DC, but I prefer Marvel now. I like how I can relate to the heros. Take spidey, when he was a troublesome teenager, I can relate to his problems, or his joys. I've always wanted to become a superhero (like who doesnt :D ) I can think that spidey is me, I have the powers, that is my life.

Like superman, I think he is a great hero to read about, dont get me wrong, but people think of him as a saviour..which he robably is. But the people in Marvel think of spidey, or X-men as dangerous people, they still help...but they are feared of their powers. Its kinda exciting to read about it.

Now this is my opnion..plz dont flame. :D

[Dwarf lord]

you have the right to an opinion and I have the right to disagree. I dislike being able to relate to Marvel characters. It reminds me how bad my life is at times and I want to escape from that

[Bat-Mantis]

That's EXACTLY how I feel. Well, most of the time.

[The Leaguer]

I do see the appeal in the common problems a lot of the Marvel heroes face, I read all the Spidey-titles, but I agree with what Bat-Mantis, Dwarf lord and others are saying; most of the time, I want to escape all that. Thats why I read much more DC than Marvel.

[Azrael24]

Real simple, there are a couple of reasons why I prefer DC over Marvel:

1) DC has stand alone characters: With the exception of Spider-man, Hulk, and maybe Daredevil, Marvel comics requires guest stars and teams in order to provoke interest in the characters. DC has books out about Superman, WW, Batman, Firestorm, Steel, Supergirl, Superboy, Robin, Hawkman, Green Lantern (take your pick), Flash...etc.... Which is why this whole Marvel movie thing upsets me..DC has better characters. Concerning the realism of their characters and Marvel's...it's a comic book...none of it is realistic..I'm so tired of that piss poor argument from Marvel fans.

2) DC has better continuity: True DC likes to shake up a origin every now and then (ie Superman's currently) but Marvel shakes up their whole universe. How many different versions of X-men have their been?! Good grief, their history is so convoluted I can't keep up.

3) Marvel is only X-Men and Spiderman: Face it, that's all they really have, all their other characters suck.

4) Marvel's top characters: Spider-man and Wolverine, DC's: Batman and Superman. I do like SM and Wolvie..but Supes is to comic books what Michael Jordan is to basketball. And when it comes to Batman and Wolverine as far as characters..Batman is one of the most interesting fictional characters period

5) DC takes more risks: True Marvel takes some risks...but DC has killed their main character, broken the back of another one, is implementing a 4th Robin..this time female, is deciding to make Firestorm an African-American, Vertigo, Icon, um...do I need to keep going..hell they made Lex president. Marvel has nothing on this.

6) More action. Marvel tends to talk a bit much for me...I want to see someone get their ass whipped

7) Last and most importantly: Marvel does have originality, but they do copy a LOT of DC ideas...if it wasn't for Batman their would be no Wolverine, Daredevil, or Black Panther. If their was no Superman..Thor would not have some of his abilities. WW was a pioneer for women in terms of heroines. Overall...without X-men and Spidey..marvel flat out sux...I mean..who else to they have Captain America...Fantastic Four...Iron Man....gag....

I'm out. Peace

[TheCorpulent1]

Um.. Azrael, have you read more of Marvel's comics than Spider-Man and X-Men? Because honestly... I'm not trying to slight your opinion or anything, but reason #3? That's a pretty huge generalization.

[Azrael24]

You are correct, it is a large generalization. However, I feel it is substantiated. I have read other Marvel Comics characters...I am just stating that those are the ones that keep them afloat. I mean, honestly, do you believe Marvel would be anything that big without the X-Men? And do you believe X-men would truly be that interesting without Wolverine (I do personally, but generally fans don't take to liking X-Men w/o Logan).

Let me rephrase, their other characters don't suck. But they really don't have any other huge flagship characters. Captain America, most view as pretty corny, FF...please no..., Hulk has his fans...but since his nitch was the whole anger management thing, that was kind of taken away by Wolverine...it's not as interesting anymore. Daredevil, I personally have always felt is underutilized....the Avengers...? Come on now. I mean, this is just my opinion, if you feel I am wrong please provide the rebuttle and evidence.

BTW, thanks for coming at me respectfully rather than flaming me!

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't see either Marvel or DC as having a huge number of flagship characters as far as mainstream consciousness is concerned. DC's got Superman, Batman & Robin, Wonder Woman, and maybe a few other members of the JLA; Marvel's got Spider-Man, the Hulk (his TV show made him pretty well-known back in the day), and the X-Men.

Regardless of who's more recognizable, though, there are tons of really great, interesting characters at both companies. DC's got Green Arrow, the JSA, Nightwing, the Teen Titans, etc. and Marvel's got Captain America, the Fantastic Four (whose comic has been excellent under Mark Waid for a couple of years now), Captain Marvel, the Avengers (who are supposed to be revamped to house Marvel's best and brightest soon), etc. I don't really look at it as a competition, since there are a lot of characters I love from both companies, but I'd hesitate to say that either company has more interesting or worthwhile characters than the other.

Welcome to the Hype, by the way. :up:

[Dodgey Browne]

Personally I prefer Marvel.

As opposed to most people here I like my heroes more human, someone I can relate to. DC has a lot of character that are larger than live, too much fantasy for my liking. I want a better bridge between reality and fantasy. Marvel does that. DC is more about fantasy.

I'm not saying Marvel doesn't put out crap. They do. A lot.
But I like the overal 'feel' of Marvel more then the 'feel' of DC.

I do want to qoute Azrael on a few points:

- you claim Superman is bigger than Spider-man, I totally disagree. I want to see a new Superman movie make as much money in the first days as Spider-man 2 has done.

- you claim DC has better characters, what does Super-man have better then Spider-man of the Fantastic Four. Superman is pretty dull in my eyes. He's just a boring guy who can beat anyone.

-you think Batman is one of the most interesting fictional characters period? I find unrealistic more appropriate. He's fighting alongside Superman like no it's not a problem. The writers sometimes forget he's still human.

-DC more risky? Marvel gave Flash Thompson brain damage. Venom has cancer. They burned Reed Richard's face. I heard someone gets killed in Avengers # 500. So that's a weak arguement of you.

[Union Jack]

i'm more a marvel than dc fan really,but i do enjoy superman he is probably my joint favourite character(joint with spider-man)..for me supes embodies the whole idea of "super"hero i also collect the current uk edition of batman legends which is pretty good.
i also have quite a few dc graphic novels with kingdom come being one of the best i've ever read.

[TheCorpulent1]

Lots of someones get killed in Avengers #500.

[Movies205]

Better Writing, Cooler Superheros, and Continuity:o

[Gamestar2004]

Also dont forget Sandman was killed off. He was bitten by Venom, and he slowly started to detirioate(sp?)

[Guyverjay]

Reason #3 make you look like an idiot:up:

[Anubis]

At the moment, I like DC more so than Marvel. marvel has a lot of good books. Exiles, Daredevil, Supreme Power, etc, there are still a lot of good books coming out of Marvel. But compared to the stuff DC is putting out right now? it just doesn't stand up in my eyes. Maybe in two or three years, Marvel will catch up again in quality, thats the way this business works. The only real reason I perfer DC right now is because Marvel has a terrible way of handling their books. Great books like Captain Marvel, The Crew, and Black Panther, all get put up on the chopping block, while they put out an ass load of crappy X- Books, and other crappy titles that they know will suck and only get canned before issue 6. Marvel has taken quantity over quality, and it shows. DC is just putting out better books. When you look at the sales, Marvel still rules, but, its all X-Men and Spider-Man, and that is only because of the fans of the characters. You can't tell me Uncanny X-Men deserves to be in the top 100. The book sucks, yet there it is, it shows the blindness of fandom. Most sit and complain about how bad the books are, yet they are the first ones in line with a copy every week. I am not a Spider-man fan or a Superman fan, I am a comic book fan, and if a book sucks, then I aint gonna buy it. Sad to say, but as long as marvel makes tons of money off the Movies, their books will suffer. They figure if they're making money, then there is nothing wrong with the content, but that just aint the case. It's frustrating and I think it will only result in me dropping Marvel books altogether. I aint the boycott "lets stop buying this!!" type and I don't usually complain either, I complain with my money, but something has to be done, cause I really want to read some Sand Man or Preacher calibur X-stories. If there always in the top ten, then shoulldn't they be putting out the best stories imaginable? Thats all I ask. The "House of ideas" is starting to look like they got a brain injury or something.

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by Azrael24
5) DC takes more risks: True Marvel takes some risks...but DC has killed their main character, broken the back of another one, is implementing a 4th Robin..this time female, is deciding to make Firestorm an African-American, Vertigo, Icon, um...do I need to keep going..hell they made Lex president. Marvel has nothing on this.

6) More action. Marvel tends to talk a bit much for me...I want to see someone get their ass whipped

7) Last and most importantly: Marvel does have originality, but they do copy a LOT of DC ideas...if it wasn't for Batman their would be no Wolverine, Daredevil, or Black Panther. If their was no Superman..Thor would not have some of his abilities. WW was a pioneer for women in terms of heroines. Overall...without X-men and Spidey..marvel flat out sux...I mean..who else to they have Captain America...Fantastic Four...Iron Man....gag....


Um #5 Those are all gimmicks IMO and ICON is a the new Marvel imprint.

#6 I tend to disagree with you. Marvel has a lot more action IMO but their dialogue is not as well written as DC's.

#7 There is no way in hell that Thor was made to copy Superman. They dont even have similar powers. Most of Thors powers have been around for centuries something called Norse Mythology I believe.:rolleyes: Captain America, Fantastic Four and Iron Man are all great characters and if you havent read a recent FF comic then youre missong out. By naming those three characters you contradicted your previous statement of Marvel's lack of originality because those are all very original characters.

[Assassin]

Um if there wasnt a Kingdom Come, No Earth X? LOL

I like DC cuz its more Sophisticated, Marvel is more for lil kids.
I would rather believe a man sent from a diff Planet, and having super powers then Mutants living among us.

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by Assassin
Um if there wasnt a Kingdom Come, No Earth X? LOL

I like DC cuz its more Sophisticated, Marvel is more for lil kids.
I would rather believe a man sent from a diff Planet, and having super powers then Mutants living among us.

You know Kingdom Come and Earth X came from the mind of the same guy so youre argument is moot(always wanted to say that).

The second part of your post just makes you look idiotic. Im not insulting you but when you say Marvel is for "lil kids" thats plain stupid. Supreme Power, Daredevil, Punisher for "lil kids" I highly doubt that.

Its more believable that mutants live among us since there are froms of mutation in our present and very real lives. Do I need to bring up the super baby recently born. Until I see an alien come up to my doorstep humans with mutations is a more believable concept.

[Bat-Mantis]

The super baby kicks ass.
I want that mutation.

[Gamestar2004]

Cool a super baby..got a link?

[Assassin]

you know what i mean, marvel is a lil too cartoony thats what i mean by for lil kids. Punisher and DD are diff, even wolverine is getting too cartoony..i thing batman and superman and gl flash all the history, all the contuinty cant spell it what some one said earlyer, it all makes sence. Marvel has ultimate this and amazing that too much b.s. too many story changes. How many times are they gonna tell the spiderman story already?? Extreme xmen spiderman all that crap, now spidergirl is going throught the symbiote phaze...wtf thats what i hate

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by Assassin
you know what i mean, marvel is a lil too cartoony thats what i mean by for lil kids. Punisher and DD are diff, even wolverine is getting too cartoony..i thing batman and superman and gl flash all the history, all the contuinty cant spell it what some one said earlyer, it all makes sence. Marvel has ultimate this and amazing that too much b.s. too many story changes. How many times are they gonna tell the spiderman story already?? Extreme xmen spiderman all that crap, now spidergirl is going throught the symbiote phaze...wtf thats what i hate

The problem with you my good friend is you have no idea what youre talking about. You at like you do but dont. Give me examples of how Marvel is too "cartoony". Continuity is easier at DC because they got 2 or 3 witers writting all their core books. Geoff Johns on how many books?

[Assassin]

Lets just say all there main characters are aimed towards kids..Thats why its easyer to read, not complicated story line..(maybe wolverine the end lol) but the characters are aimed towards kids, X men, Spiderman, Hulk puss'd down, Avengers

The grown up stuff is like Marvel Knights.

catch my drift?

[Darthphere]

Umm no just because you dont like it doesnt make it kiddie. Look at Astonishing X-men is that kids stuff? ASM is nowhere near kiddie level. Hulk isnt any more violent than he was back in the day. Thats the writers fault because he cant finsh an arc and hes really boring. Avengers is not for kids have you seen the preview for #500? So no youre wrong.

[Assassin]

look at the damn charts, i bet you marvel apeals to kids more then adults, maybe i dont know what im talking about cuz i stoped caring a while ago but im still right! :)

[Darthphere]

Actually the number of "lil kids" reading any comics is very low. Unfortunately its teenage kids and up that read comics so your argument is irrelevent. Give me a link and show me these charts. Until then youre wrong.

[Gamestar2004]

Off topic..I saw about the superbabay..so cool!

"Somewhere in Germany is a baby Superman, born in Berlin with bulging arm and leg muscles. Not yet 5, he can hold seven-pound weights with arms extended, something many adults cannot do. He has muscles twice the size of other kids his age and half their body fat."

I would like to see him in the Olympics :D

[Azrael24]

Dodgey Browne:

I can refute most of your points

-You said: you claim Superman is bigger than Spider-man, I totally disagree. I want to see a new Superman movie make as much money in the first days as Spider-man 2 has done.

Um, if Superman put out a movie as quality as Spidey's I GUARANTEE that it would make more money. Hell, Superman I is still talked about until this day. We need to wait 20 years and see if Spiderman the movie stands the test of time. Also, who cares about box office numbers...SW: Episode I made TONS of cash..it sucked too. So money means nothing. Superman is one of the most recognizable fictional characters in history. Period. Spiderman isn't on his level...if you are honestly arguing this, you don't know comics.

- you said: you claim DC has better characters, what does Super-man have better then Spider-man of the Fantastic Four. Superman is pretty dull in my eyes. He's just a boring guy who can beat anyone.

Some of his storylines do suffer,I agree. But the FF? Give me a break! They are a joke. Have you ever read Reign of the Supermen storyline, Jim Lee is doing great things right now...to say he is boring and Mr. Fantastic is interesting is funny.

-you said: you think Batman is one of the most interesting fictional characters period? I find unrealistic more appropriate. He's fighting alongside Superman like no it's not a problem. The writers sometimes forget he's still human.

Obviously, you've never read a batman storlyine. He is right along Superman because he is the Best. BUT, he has issues. Read Bruce Wayne Fugitive, Hush, Death in the Family, Knighfall. he has problems. As far as it being unrealistic...it's a damn comic book. So a man swinging on webs is real realistic..oh yeah, and claws coming out of your hands makes sense too!

- you said: DC more risky? Marvel gave Flash Thompson brain damage. Venom has cancer. They burned Reed Richard's face. I heard someone gets killed in Avengers # 500. So that's a weak arguement of you.

I said DC takes more risks. I didn't say Marvel took none. But honestly, giving Flash Thompson brain damage is not comparable to killing Robin. Giving Venom cancer is not near breaking Batman's back, and burning Reed Richard's face...is small to kililng off Superman or turning one of your main heroes (Hal Jordan) to a villain who is now the Spectre. Marvel takes risks, they just aren't DC size. Let them f*** around with spider-man or kill storm, then we can talk.

Guyverjay: real mature..would you care to articulate

darthphere: I can see your points. I just find FF kind of boring, I think Marvel does have original characters, but I think DC is more influential. I welcome a good rebuttle! =-)

[Darthphere]

Have you read FF Authorative Action and Unthinkable? Read those and tell me if the FF arent interesting.

[Assassin]

Spiderman is the graetest Marvel Storyline, i mean there is a lot they can do with it, why do they keep re-writen it under a diff b.s.name i dunno, and show me your proof, until then your wrong in my eyes. Marvel is dead to me. The only thing that they have that is even worth looking at are the Punisher storylines, Blade, cuz they have Darker heros but they still dont compare to Batmman...and f*** fantastic 4, u cant compare FF to JLA or any other team book in DC, Avengers is a JLA ripoff, Stan Lee can lick My Sack :)

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by Assassin
Spiderman is the graetest Marvel Storyline, i mean there is a lot they can do with it, why do they keep re-writen it under a diff b.s.name i dunno, and show me your proof, until then your wrong in my eyes. Marvel is dead to me. The only thing that they have that is even worth looking at are the Punisher storylines, Blade, cuz they have Darker heros but they still dont compare to Batmman...and f*** fantastic 4, u cant compare FF to JLA or any other team book in DC, Avengers is a JLA ripoff, Stan Lee can lick My Sack :)

Real mature there buddy. Avengers is no JLA rip-off. You cant even compare them. What proof do you want me to show you? I cant understand your poorly written english. FF is ten times better than what JLA is right now. I think its better than Kelly's and Morrison runs. I dont care if you hate Marvel or not but dont bash it without showing proof or making a clear argument. Its very apparent you have no argument becvause you have to resort to bashing and curse words to make your argument while ive been totally respectful to you and the DC universe which I love as well. Dont mess with Stan lee because if it wasnt for him Kriby and Dtiko comics wouldnt be around today.

[Assassin]

OMG Dude i wasnt bashing ****, there my opinions and i dont have to prove ****, thats why there called opinions. My opinions belong to me, and you cant change that. I like Marvel and Stan Lee is a Genious im just sayen its crap right now compared to DC cuz i think there aimen towards kids.

[Darthphere]

Thats the point theyre not aiming towards kids GOD if you just understood that then I wouldnt have a problem with what youresaying.

[Assassin]

In my eyes, yes they are.

[Darthphere]

How so? Thats I want to know.

[Bat-Mantis]

Originally posted by darthphere
FF is ten times better than what JLA is right now. Add a few zero's to that 10 and I'd agree. FF is the best book being published, I think, and the JLA is one of the worst.

[Assassin]

JLA Then not now i mean of all time, JLA had crappy story lines too (detroit) But FF come on! Its soo Cheesy!

[Azrael24]

darthphere:Have you read FF Authorative Action and Unthinkable? Read those and tell me if the FF arent interesting.

I haven't, I will find them and read them. The story imay be good, but the characters themselves aren't interesting to me. Just my personal taste.

[Darthphere]

Especially with you know who writing.

[Assassin]

Me 2 thats how i feel exactly!

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by Azrael24
darthphere:Have you read FF Authorative Action and Unthinkable? Read those and tell me if the FF arent interesting.

I haven't, I will find them and read them. The story imay be good, but the characters themselves aren't interesting to me. Just my personal taste.

You wont regret it. Awesome story and if you give them achance the FF are great characters.

[Bat-Mantis]

The FF is absolutely, completely, amazingly brilliant.
Unthinkable and Authoritative Action... I've never felt that way from reading a comic. Complete, total, fascinating page-turners there, folks. Brilliant stuff.

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by Assassin
JLA Then not now i mean of all time, JLA had crappy story lines too (detroit) But FF come on! Its soo Cheesy!

Superman is one of the cheesiest heroes ever. I only like how Loeb and currently Azzarello are writing him.

[Assassin]

Hes Cheesy, but he works...what is it now 75 years?

No one complained yet

[Bat-Mantis]

Everyone complains about Superman's cheesiness. Even me, and he's my favorite of them all.

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by Bat-Mantis
Everyone complains about Superman's cheesiness. Even me, and he's my favorite of them all.

Its true and I love Superman but the whole boyscout image thing annoys me. I like it when he goes all out.

[Assassin]

Thats why hes #1 you cant hate the boyscout.

[Darthphere]

Yes I can and a lot of people do. Im going to sleep. Its late.

[Assassin]

And past your bed time child!

[captainrogers]

Damn, its past mine too. Good Nite Fellas! Be Healthy and be Nice to each other.

[Azrael24]

People hate on Superman because he has morals. The simple fact is ethics are pretty much dead in society, and a character with uncompromising ethics and standards urks people. He's not cheesy....Mr. Fantastic is cheesy...Spider-man in his new movie is cheesy, Storm in X-men 1 was cheesy, Arnold's lines in his movies are cheesy...Supes is just moral.

[TheCorpulent1]

He is occasionally cheesy, although I agree that his "boyscout" mentality is an integral part of the character. He's the example. He's the last vestige of the good, clean values that Americans perceived their country as being built on (whether you agree with it or not). He's what every parent wants their kid to grow up to be: strong, handsome, powerful, but with the strength of character and resolve to stick to what he knows is right.

And how the hell is Mr. Fantastic cheesy?

[Azrael24]

Well, I guess that was unfair to say about Mr. Fantastic being cheesy. OKAY OKAY, I admit it, I'm biased against Mr. F, I just don't like the FF. But everything else I said about Supes and the rest is true! :)

[Supergirl]

I guess the main reason I read more DC is because its what I grew up with. The first comic I ever read was Superman 75, the issue where Superman dies. For the next couple of years the four Supes books are all I read. Then I discovered Green Lantern, and some other DC books and a couple Marvel titles (Spidey during the clone saga, I wasn't a Spidey fan and actually liked it, what was I thinking?). Currently I read DC because all of my favorite writers are DC exclusive. Judd Winick, Geoff Johns, Jeph Loeb, and Devin Grayson. I love the continuity thats woven through the books and how much I can relate to the characters I enjoy. I don't hate Marvel, in fact I'm starting to read more and more of it, its just I never tried to read the characters like I have DC.
Here is my current pull list:
Superman/Batman
Superman
Batman (Gone after next issue)
Identity Crisis
JSA
Flash
Teen Titans
Nightwing
Robin
Outsiders
Green Lantern
Green Arrow

Marvel:
Ultimate Fantastic Four
Emma Frost

Aspen:
Soulfire
Fathom: Dawn of War
Ekos

I'm looking for more to add if any Marvel fans give me suggestions.

[Darthphere]

Supreme Power. You have to read that/

[Supergirl]

All right whens a good time to start, what issue I mean.

[Darthphere]

I cant reall tell you but 11 comes out this week. Its like one huge arc that never finishes. I suggest you get the Contact TPB which has #1-7 and then go from there.

[Pariah]

I don't have a preference between Marvel and DC. I've never understood the fan boy arguements that one is better than the other--they're all comic books, and some of the titles are bound to be better--or more suited for your tastes--than others, but it's tough to say the entire publishing company "sucks," or is "for kiddies."

Do I like Flash better than I like Captain America? Yup. Do I like the Avengers better than I like JLA? You betcha. Am I enjoying Conan more than anything Marvel or DC is doing right now? Yesserie.

The debate about which company is better reminds me of what's wrong with American politics--polarization. Fanboys don't need to "pick a team" and defend it to the death. You can like both companies, you know. They're both doing things right; they're both doing things wrong. It's okay to say that without being contradictory.

[Assassin]

What?? Conan?? wasnt issue 1 like 25c or something, i didnt even bother to pick it up but you say its better than all of the current story lines in DC or Marvel???

Pull your head outta your ass buddy :D

[TheCorpulent1]

Why don't you read it and see for yourself? I wouldn't call it better than anything at DC or Marvel, but it's quite good.

[Assassin]

Alotta things are good but im picken up like 3 books a week i cant aford another so i wont bother, plus i hate that time line but you cant say anything is better than every thing currently out from marvel or dc

[TheCorpulent1]

Supreme Power and the Vertigo line do make that statement tough to swallow.

[NeoSamurai]

I only pick up a few Marvel titles as I find most other Marvel titles appealing to popular culture rather than with great story. The titles that I did get were 1602 (Gaiman), and many of the Marvel Knights collections--Daredevil (written by Mack and Bendis), Punisher (Ennis) and 4 (which is just an awesome interpretation on the Fantastic Four!). I tried getting some of the Captain America stuff, but find the trades hard to get.

Overall, I like noir/cause and effect/quality story comics Marvel does with heavy internalization such as Daredevil's recent run and very adult themed stories.

Marvel tends to avoid those types of stories and focuses on kid soap operas with archetypes that do not change too much.

[Assassin]

Originally posted by NeoSamurai


Marvel tends to avoid those types of stories and focuses on kid soap operas with archetypes that do not change too much.

Thank You!:wolverine

[krisboyuk]

I’m pretty much the same as Mantis said above. I read all comics for escapism but I prefer DC because it has more myth behind it. Marvel can be very preachy at times

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by NeoSamurai
Marvel tends to avoid those types of stories and focuses on kid soap operas with archetypes that do not change too much.

Thats a gross generalization especially coming from someone who read only 3 Marvel books. I read about 20 Marvel books a month and none of them are kid soap operas. Most comic books tend to be soap operaish even DC ones. So that point is really to generalized. Im glad to see youre reading Daredevil though.

[TheCorpulent1]

^ This man knows.

[Pariah]

Originally posted by Assassin
What?? Conan?? wasnt issue 1 like 25c or something, i didnt even bother to pick it up but you say its better than all of the current story lines in DC or Marvel???

Pull your head outta your ass buddy :D *pop* Okay, it's out. And, uh, look at that, I STILL like Conan better than anything at Marvel or DC right now! ;)

Plus, since when does cost=quality in the comic industry?

I'm not "hating" on DC or Marvel, I read a boatload of their stuff, too (in fact, mostly their stuff). I just like Conan right now better than anything else currently being published. Check it out, you might not think it's your favorite, but it is good--you won't be sorry you plopped down your money.

[Assassin]

I said it might be good, its just that that whole wool loin clothe sword era doesnt intrest me, its just that theres no way that can be better than every single thing out right now, even Austen's work is better than that

[TheCorpulent1]

That's a dumb statement to make without having read it.

[Bat-Mantis]

Yup. I agree. Dumbness to the max there.

[NeoSamurai]

Originally posted by darthphere
Thats a gross generalization especially coming from someone who read only 3 Marvel books. I read about 20 Marvel books a month and none of them are kid soap operas. Most comic books tend to be soap operaish even DC ones. So that point is really to generalized. Im glad to see youre reading Daredevil though.

I've read more than 3 Marvel Books. I read most of the stuff Marvel put out in the early nineties when they went gimmick crazy and nearly put themselves out of business. I'm also aware of the MJS era of spiderman where MJ left Spidey (gasp! could that be anymore soap opera-ish?). I remember when the X-men stories began the Gambit and Rogue thing that they've been milking for years. Then there's the whole gamut of X-books which is nothing but one long soap opera and its spin-offs now (Hello! White Queen and Scott and how it affects Phoenix?).

To say its a gross generalization is wrong when it is backed up by examples demonstrating a strong focus on the romantic relationships and similar entanglements of the characters over other aspects of story (whereas X-men and Spiderman books could actually focus on external factors or character development of other characters that need development). In this aspect, the Marvel books tend to mimick reality TV and the dynamics thereof.

[Azrael24]

I agree that Marvel books are a bit soap-opera, but then again, I don't mind romance mixed in with action (except in Spider-man2 the movie, too much of it).

As far as the whole Conan thing, Assassin, you should give it a chance before you say that it "can't be better than everything else out." But I do understand where you are coming from on the era not interesting you. I think the "best" book out is subjective to the reader's taste.

I prefer DC, because honestly...I like the characters more.

[NeoSamurai]

I've read some conan comics. They tend to be pretty good whereas the TV show and movies portrayed Conan with little intelligence or characterization.

[LadyVader]

I really have no idea...

Maybe because we don't have an Ultimate Batman or an Ultimate Superman, or Ultimate Wonder Woman... :D

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by NeoSamurai
I've read more than 3 Marvel Books. I read most of the stuff Marvel put out in the early nineties when they went gimmick crazy and nearly put themselves out of business. I'm also aware of the MJS era of spiderman where MJ left Spidey (gasp! could that be anymore soap opera-ish?). I remember when the X-men stories began the Gambit and Rogue thing that they've been milking for years. Then there's the whole gamut of X-books which is nothing but one long soap opera and its spin-offs now (Hello! White Queen and Scott and how it affects Phoenix?).

To say its a gross generalization is wrong when it is backed up by examples demonstrating a strong focus on the romantic relationships and similar entanglements of the characters over other aspects of story (whereas X-men and Spiderman books could actually focus on external factors or character development of other characters that need development). In this aspect, the Marvel books tend to mimick reality TV and the dynamics thereof.

Thats it see you just made my point more clear. Youre talking about Marvel in the 90's. Gimmicky and lacking quality. Im talking about the Marvel of today where the sopa opera stories still exist but not in the quantity they did in the 90's. Aboout MJ leaving Spiderman, if you read the arc that happened in you would see that her decision was not soap operaish. I never knew leaving someone wwas neing soap operaish, then 12 million americans that leave their partners are all living soap operas.(Sorry random fact).:D

[TheCorpulent1]

Not to mention the fact that DC is guilty of romantic overtures as much as Marvel is anyway. Linda left Wally in the Flash, Merayn left John Stewart and Jade cheated on Kyle in Green Lantern, Superboy was prohibited from seeing Batgirl in Batgirl, Spoiler thought Robin was cheating on her in Robin, Catwoman and Batman have had an ongoing on-again, off-again relationship in their respective comics, Superboy is dating Wonder Girl in Teen Titans, Arsenal is sleeping with everybody in Outsiders, Batman and Wonder Woman considered entering a relationship in JLA... and that's just in the past year. The list goes on and on, as much for DC as it does for Marvel.

[Azrael24]

I don't why everyone has an issue with a little "soap opera" in the comics. As long as it is not overdone. Hell, any grown @$$ man in tights, looking at grown @$$ women in tights, heroines and villainesses (sp?) alike, is going to eventuallly say, "I need to get one of those." Psylocke, Storm, WW, Catwoman, Ivy....the books would not be believeable in the least if they just stood there and with their hands on their hips or crossed over the chests and said, no all the time.

So all those who don't like the Soap Opera thing, are you telling me if you were an X-man...you wouldn't try anything. Or if you were in the JLA...you wouldn't try to hook up with WW or the affiliate ladies. Hell, Batman is a womanizer to the core! It adds spice peoples...

[Assassin]

Dude the way Michael turner is drawing them in batman/superman i would go for them too! :D

[NeoSamurai]

X-Men continues to milk the soap opera and has for 10+ years.

[TheCorpulent1]

I like Arsenal's approach to the soap opera thing in Outsiders. :cool:

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by NeoSamurai
X-Men continues to milk the soap opera and has for 10+ years.

Then stop reading it and stop trolling the board. Its easy as that. There are hundreds of titles out there look for one you like and stop crying abut it.

[The Batman]

I like the fact that DC's heroes are actually heroes.


Marvel's heroes are heroes....but they're not True heroes in my eyes. THey're usually selfish, self-loathing people who need so big, traumatic event to actually make them put on a costume. And when they do, they always quit because its too hard.

DC's heroes do the right thing...because its the right thing. Its so funny how Superman and Spider-man practically had the same upbringing, yet when clark discovered his powers, he knew he had to help others. Uncle Ben had to die for Peter to realize he had to help others. I like reading about Dc's heroes because they can inspire me to do the right thing. Marvel heroes, while they probably have more character than DC's heroes, remind me that humans are sometimes selfish and vain, and dont immediatly use whatever abilities they have to do that right thing.

What DC also has over Marvel is that they have some of the most Iconic characters ever. Marvel has some Icons like Spider-man, Hulk, and Wolverine, But DC has Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, the JLA, Catwoman, Robin, and Supergirl. Anytime I find Supeman to be boring or uninteresting, I just watch the Superman film to realize that he is the Greatest superhero of all time. Not because you can relate to him(and overrated term in comics), not because he suffers, but because he the Ultimate Hero.

I also like DC's management over Marvel's. DC comes off as a mature and humble company, while marvel comes off as immature, and sometimes arrogant and annoying. It pisses me off when Joe Quesada hurls insults at DC, because thats not the way you run a company.

I like both companies though, and I dont mindlessly prefer one to the other because. I can say I can relate to Peter Parker, but that dosent mean I wont read Superman because he's not a "Real Character" I think it'd be pretty boring if all Superheroes were like marvel characters

[Tropico]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
Arsenal is sleeping with everybody in Outsiders,

DUDE!! EVERYBODY?!?!?! :eek: You mean; BatBoy sex, robot sex, elemental sex, green energy sex? An if it's everyone that has been in the title: gorilla sex, Luthor sex, demonic sex and the worst...the Joker sex?

[TheCorpulent1]

No, he's exercising some common sense and quite a bit of taste. So far he's added Grace and Huntress to his list of conquests. After Huntress, Nightwing asks if there's anyone he wouldn't have sex with and Arsenal says no, then asks Nightwing if he's seen the type of superwomen with bodies like goddesses that they hang out with.

[TheCorpulent1]

DC's making a lot of bad moves with continuity lately. The Johns and Winick books are as good about staying together with tight continuity as ever, but little things are popping up in other titles now and then. Tim still being Robin in Identity Crisis after Stephanie has already taken over in the Robin book springs to mind immediately. Also, DC has basically given continuity the finger with the new Doom Patrol and Richard Dragon books. Both of them are apparently scrapping everything about the characters and starting from scratch with no explanation and no way to fit them into current continuity convincingly. It's retarded.

[Assassin]

Tim is still robin in gotham nights too

[Anubis]

Tim is still Robin period, he sneaks around as Robin. You saw it in Identity Crisis. So technically he's still Robin, just not really workin with the Bat at the moment. Besides, with continuity, nothing happens at the same time. So if you see something that doesn't seem in tune with the current continuity, chances are it happend before the event in question took place. Thats how that whole thing works.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh yeah, Tim's still Robin in the Batman comic as well. The one titled "Batman," I mean. He showed up last issue.

Batman's replaced and it sends ripples throughout nearly every DC comic being published. Robin's replaced and writers other than the Robin and Batgirl ones just ignore it. No respect, I tell ya. :mad:

[Assassin]

Who cares, i mean she is a girls :P (sarcasam)

[Tropico]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
Oh yeah, Tim's still Robin in the Batman comic as well. The one titled "Batman," I mean. He showed up last issue.

Batman's replaced and it sends ripples throughout nearly every DC comic being published. Robin's replaced and writers other than the Robin and Batgirl ones just ignore it. No respect, I tell ya. :mad:

At least Teen Titans will be impacted by it. Wait, I'm saying that liek it's a good thing. It's not. I mean, it's good that the writer's story is getting acknowledged, but it's bad that it's the new Robin. Good. Bad. Liquid. Ice. Which one is it?

[The Leaguer]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
Oh yeah, Tim's still Robin in the Batman comic as well. The one titled "Batman," I mean. He showed up last issue.

I think at the beginning of the arc, there is an editor's note that says the story take place before the issue of Robin where Tim quits.

[NeoSamurai]

I am not trolling just presenting evidence to support my argument.

** Edited for prior hostile content.

[Anubis]

I mean really, guy plans out a story and is right in the middle of it, then some guy muks with a character in some other book, so now the writer has to stop his story and talk about some crap he didn't even come up with? It really isn't neccesary. Address the issue after your done with your story, not change something just to fit in with continuity. Continuity is a tool, it should be used when neccesary.

[NeoSamurai]

Continuity is a tool, yes, but it's one favored by fans as it shows a fluid, vibrant growth of story. The only problem is like was mentioned, with full continuity, you get the bad with the good.

[TheCorpulent1]

Originally posted by The Leaguer
I think at the beginning of the arc, there is an editor's note that says the story take place before the issue of Robin where Tim quits.
That works fine for me, then. I don't care if they explain continuity f***-ups away for the sake of a story, but at least let the reader know that you're aware of it. Otherwise it's just confusing.

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by NeoSamurai
I am not trolling just presenting evidence to support my argument.

** Edited for prior hostile content.

My response wasnt hostile. I just get pissed when people complain about how much they hate a book but they keep reading it. Theres something for everyone go out and find what you like. I apologize if my post came off as hostile.

[MST3K 4ever]

I prefer DC because of the artists and as a general rule the stories are character driven without piling on the angst like Marvel is prone to do from time to time.

[DarkKnightJRK]

I prefer DC for many reasons:

1. They were the first.
The first comic character I had ever heard of was Batman. I still remember the first time watching the '89 movie (the first movie I had ever seen that wasn't a cartoon, I might add) and was just in awe. Reading the Batman books just makes me feel like that kid watching the movie for the first time, if only for a few minutes (I read fast.).

2. Continuity.
DC still has it's occasional flubs, don't get me wrong (it's either an editor's mistake or if the stories were written at the same time), but for most of the characters in DC, you just need to get a coaple of TPB's and you're preety much all set. While over on the other side, their history is extremely convulted. Espically to a beginner to comics.

3. Interesting and relatable characters.
While this is what most Marvel-maniacs call this a feature of Marvel, I just never found their characters that interesting (except on the 90's cartoons, those I liked). I can more get Batman or Superman then Spider-Man or The Hulk. When you look past their powers or their Batarangs, you just see the person that they are, and I can identify with them more then Marvel.

Some people may not like what I've said, but their my opinions and my preferences, and if you don't like it, you can kiss my fat ass. :)

[dk]

I prefer DC over Marvel, because DC maintains a more consistent, higher level of quality in their books on average.

Face it - every month, Marvel publishes some real crap. For every She-Hulk, Runaways, Captain Marvel, or Supreme Power there's a dozen comics like Iron Fist, Alpha Flight, Emma Frost, Exiles, Human Torch, Academy X, Venom, Weapon X, etc., etc. I'm sure some of those series have their fans, but at best the books are mediocre. Marvel literally floods the market with this kind of rack-wasting garbage. They also milk everything that sells to the point they can't get another dollar out of it. It's the mentality that killed characters like The Punisher and Ghost Rider, and imprints like 2099 and Midnight Sons in the 90's, except Marvel does this month-in and month-out. Not content to have a couple Spider-Man books, a few X-Men books, etc. - Marvel's got a to have a half-dozen imprints like MAX, Marvel Knights, Ultimates, Marvel Age, etc., etc. - and crank out Spidey and X-Men books for EACH ONE. I don't see DC launching VERTIGO-Superman or WILDSTORM-Batman knock-offs. They have a little more respect for their characters and the imprints they've established.

Let's look at those imprints, shall we? Veritgo kicks MAX's ass ten ways to Sunday. You practically can't find a Vertigo book that isn't worth reading, whereas Supreme Power is virtually the only MAX book worth the paper it's printed on. Maybe Punisher, now that they've switched it to MAX (so they can milk you for another #1 - thanks, Marvel!). Besides Vertigo, DC has the Wildstorm stuff - which I can take or leave, personally - but it's still a better line overall than MAX. Then there's Alan Moore's ABC subsection, which produces some brilliant comics - better than the majority of Marvel's mainstream core titles, IMO.

Another thing DC hasn't done (yet) is re-launch their books over and over. Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash - those series were actually allowed to reach #200 again. It'll be a cold day in hell before Marvel ever allows a title they've launched in the last ten years to make it that far. MUST HAVE ANOTHER #1!! CAN'T SURVIVE WITHOUT CHEAP WAY TO TEMPORARILY SPIKE SALES!! Try getting some quality creators on-board for a change, Marvel. But, no...that might actually cost money, and the House of Idea knows they can just slap "#1" on something and their loyal fans will buy it sight unseen.

DC is an innovator - Marvel is a follower. Adult-oriented comics? DC innovated them with books like Watchmen, Swamp Thing, Animal Man, and eventually Vertigo. Mini-series? DC invented them with World of Krypton back in '79. Trade paperbacks? DC started printing them first - they invented the format. Superheroes in general? Yup, DC again. Not to mention the creators DC discovered, who went on to popularity at Marvel - Morrison, McFarlane, Ennis, Millar, Johns, Milligan, Gaiman, Rucka, etc. It's a huge list.

The one thing I give Marvel credit for over DC is their willingness to publish trades - but again, it's almost to the point they'll print anything as a trade to make a buck. Quality really isn't the concern for Marvel - flood the shelves. DC pisses me off becuase they're so goddamn tentative about publishing trades. ALL of Hellblazer should be available in TPB. Sandman Mystery Theatre should be completely collected in trades. The Question, The Spectre (Ostrander & Mandrake), Suicide Squad, the rest of Hitman, ALL of Morrison's Doom Patrol - DC's got so much great stuff that people might actually discover if they'd print it in a ****ing trade. But they don't. Meanwhile, Marvel is cranking out the 9th collected edition of Extreme X-Men, or some similar birdcage lining.

Across the board, DC maintains a consistent quality level. You can pick up Birds of Prey, or Fallen Angel, or Richard Dragon, or Catwoman, or Aquaman, or Batgirl, or Gotham Central, or Green Arrow, or Hawkman - lots of titles that aren't Superman or Batman, and therefore, don't sell especially well - and the end result is it's usually a pretty good comic. Marvel can't even say that on a regular basis about Thor, Iron Man, or Hulk - let alone the stacks of lesser titles they see fit to print.

[NeoSamurai]

Have to agree on the oversaturation. Instead of making new X-Titles that are team books, they could try what they did in the late eighties with X books and late nineties (Havoc and Wolverine limited, Wolverine Unlimited, Cable, Gambit, etc)--make focus books on lesser X-characters or the popular X-characters and devote the series to the development of those titles. They could've made a serious run with an Archangel title, Sandman (Spidey villain).
Heck, Marvel had some great runs with the new characters they introduced during the nineties up until the writers got wonky with them. Darkhawk, Sleepwalker, Ghost Rider, and Slapstick were all great characters. Instead, the characters were not handled well and remain nothing but memories for most fans. During the mid-nineties, Marvel had some great stories with the Punisher and Daredevil before they decided to get way out there with those characters and killed the series (the Amnesiac Murdock run or the Black Punisher story?). Punisher had been pulling in cash from four books and many limited series at the time (Punisher, Punisher War Journal, Punisher Warzone, punisher 2099). Though a number of people cite the population's shift in tastes for the decline of the punisher, I have to say it had more to do with the off the wall situations they put the character through and bad marketing than anything else.

In Marvel's defense about the new Max Punisher series, the Marvel Knight, Punisher series was only intended to go to the number of issues that it did.

Additionally, the problem that Marvel has with the Max line (from what I've seen from the Trades I've picked up) is that they equate adult oriented with violence and swearing and sex more so than with adult themed stories akin to Hellblazer, Sandman and most other Vertigo lines. Marvel has some great potential in the Max line to create limited series to tell stories that illustrate the terror/vileness of the bad guys in their comics. How do you think the Mandarin would appear as in a classic Iron Man story in a Max line without the restraints of the traditional Marvel line? I'd say they could go with a fully decadent, but powerful Chinese lord. Or how about a classic Kingpin story against any Marvel character illustrating how the kingpin has his boys to kill the son of a senator who is pushing legislating infringing on his drug trafficking?
Or better yet...a Doctor Strange comic with full room to use traditional references to magic (Crowley, Druidic practices, Norse scarification, etc.) to deal with struggles against his enemies like Mordo (?), Dormmamu, Mephisto, Fin Fang Foom (maybe that's an Iron Man baddie) who show their full lengths of ambition and determination on what they will do for power.

Instead they focus on excess in the Max line rather than quality (unless they changed that as of early this year).

[NeoSamurai]

DC, however, has its shares of rotten egged stories and gimmicks. Despite those failings, DC actually seems to learn from many of those mistakes and is consistently publishing better products as a whole that are varied.

[dk]

Originally posted by NeoSamurai
DC, however, has its shares of rotten egged stories and gimmicks. Despite those failings, DC actually seems to learn from many of those mistakes and is consistently publishing better products as a whole that are varied.

I'm not holding DC up as an example of perfection. They've done lots of stupid things with certain characters, come up with horrible storylines and series here and there, and milked a gimmick or two. But not as often as Marvel.

Bottom line, as I said, pick up a random DC Comic and a random Marvel Comic - middle-of-the-line stuff. See which is better. My bet is, if you're honest, it's going to be the DC book.

[TheCorpulent1]

Good points all, dk. My personal feeling is that Marvel's only recently gone down the s***ter in terms of quality compared to DC. Back in the '80s and '90s, DC had nearly as many gimmicks as Marvel in the form of across-the-board crossovers (Underworld Unleashed, Legends, and a slew of others; some good, most bad). Marvel used to print some real gems amid their typical X-crap and Spider-Man Clone crap during that time: things like Damage Control, What If?, and a bunch of others. Once Marvel went into bankruptcy, they began a mad dash of just trial-and-error marketing. Throw a bunch of comics out, ditch the ones that don't work, and milk the ones that do for all they're worth, then repeat. I'm not trying to slight DC in the least, since I enjoy more of their comics on a weekly basis than Marvel's, but if Marvel had the luxury of one of the world's largest corporations backing it, I imagine the story might've been different.

And Marvel's had a few innovations of its own. It's an overused argument, I know, but it's true: Marvel brought the relatable everyman approach to comics. Also, they brought some new perspectives to the superhero world in the form of the aforementioned Damage Control (a company devoted to cleaning up the messes caused by superheroes), She-Hulk (Byrne broke the fourth wall in, if not the first, then at least the most notable way), and personability to the reader (like Marvel or not, Stan Lee created an atmosphere that made fans really feel at home reading a Marvel comic). DC's got more innovations, obviously, since they've been doing things longer, but Marvel's no slouch.

[NeoSamurai]

Unfortunately, the trial and error approach to comics that Marvel is doing post-bancruptcy is what got them in trouble in the first place when bombarded the market with quantity and gimmicsk over quality.

Not to knock Marvel or it's innovations, but Marvel's business side really hurts its creative side (moreso than DC). They tried really hard to push their creative envelope, then they resort to petty jabs at DC such as Marville, Identity Disk (I know it's its own story and not a direct jab, but it is designed to hurt DC by using the title), the new Witches comic coming out the same month as DCs similar title.

Marvel does have some very good characters and lines, its just that they are apparently not focusing on creative quality.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'll give you Identity Disc title thing, although it's a decent story in its own right, but Witches has nothing to do with The Witching. Deodato had cooked up that story a long time ago but it was put on hold. Marville was utter crap and even Marvel fans know it.

I agree that Marvel's business side is really screwing its creators over now. The fact that they're FORCING writers to write their individual issues for the TPB format is especially bad. I'm sure a lot of titles, Spectacular Spider-Man in particular, would be much better if the writers weren't forced to write arcs over a certain number of issues. It's like Marvel goes out of its way to f*** its creators over and then wonders why they're losing all the best talent to DC. Frankly, I'm surprised Mark Waid even wanted to come back to Fantastic Four after the way Marvel treated him. Same with Christopher Priest on both Black Panther and The Crew. It seems like the only writer they haven't screwed so far is J. Michael Straczynski and that's probably because they know that Supreme Power and Amazing Spider-Man are two of their best books. They need him.

[NeoSamurai]

Don't get me wrong. Identity Disc's premise sounds like a kickin' idea. Despite Deodato's concept for Witches probably were in the works for awhile, but the title and release may have been decided to compete directly with DC's title.

I heard that Marvel did a big job on Waid's run on FF and he even openly blasted Marvel for it a the time. MSJ probably has no problem with TPB format books due to the style of story he writes. Remember, Rising Stars and Babylon 5 were essentially one story for their respective titles. I wouldn't be surprised if MSJ is writing Spidey in the same vein with each smaller arch as the bigger part of a whole. So, if Marvel suggested to him to write for TPB format, he'd probably have no problem with it.

BTW, isn't Supreme Power the "adult version" of the DC characters (altered to protect copyrights of course) that Marvel created way back when?

Anywho...I guess my argument for DC is more that DC seems to focus on creativeness and quality (overall) than the business aspect. Marvel should do the same.

[TheCorpulent1]

JMS has been writing smaller arcs within larger ones. He just wrapped up his first big arc after about 2 years on the title. Still, I'm sure Marvel would probably (*gasp*) print TPBs of different sizes to suit his arcs, rather than forcing him to create an arc over a set page count. He and Bendis are pretty much Marvel's bread and butter at the moment.

Supreme Power is a re-imagining of the Squadron Supreme concept. Squadron Supreme was basically Marvel's "What if the Justice League took over the world?" All the characters are based on DC's big guns: Hyperion = Superman, Nighthawk = Batman, Blur = Flash (although originally he was called the Whizzer), Princess Zarda = Wonder Woman, Amphibian = Aquaman. It's got enough differences to make it worthwhile though, and it's no different from the Authority or the Crime Syndicate or any number of DC's own projects where they take their characters and try new things with them under different names.

[dk]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
Good points all, dk. My personal feeling is that Marvel's only recently gone down the s***ter in terms of quality compared to DC. Back in the '80s and '90s, DC had nearly as many gimmicks as Marvel in the form of across-the-board crossovers (Underworld Unleashed, Legends, and a slew of others; some good, most bad).

DC totally owned Marvel in the mid-late 80's, when they were cranking out Swamp Thing, Dark Knight, Year One, Watchmen, all their post-Crisis relaunches...cool **** like Suicide Squad, Animal Man, Captain Atom, Doom Patrol, The Question, etc., etc. During that same time, Marvel chugged along on X-books of varying quality, Wolverine, Punisher, and four Spider-Man titles. Sure, Marvel would put out an occasional good storyline, or a decent series launch, but not very often. When Marvel innovated, you got New Universe. That was their big debut during the 80's - worked out really well for them.

Again, DC pretty much owned Marvel during the 90's. Sandman. Preacher. The Spectre. Transmetropolitan. Sandman Mystery Theatre. Lansdale and Truman's Jonah Hex. Peter David's Aquaman. Waid on Flash. Morrison's JLA. Even during the dark days of the early 90's, DC would still produce interesting stuff like Shade the Changing Man, The Ray, The Demon (the Alan Grant and Garth Ennis runs), Starman, Green Lantern: Mosaic, etc. Not to say DC didn't use their fair share of gimmicks on Superman and Batman books, but Marvel was slapping holo-foil covers on...the entire Heavy Hitters line...Clive Barker's Ectokid...every one of a dozen 2099 books...a bunch of ****e Ghost Rider rip-off "Midnight Sons" books like Darkhold and Spirits of Vengeance...Marvel UK...a slew of Unlimited titles used to dump inventory stories. The sheer volume of absolute crap published by Marvel was what glutted the marketplace in the 90's. Others did it, too - but it was 75% Marvel's fault.

I'll give them New Warriors, Ghost Rider, Quasar, Damage Control, Darkhawk and a few other gems buried in amongst the piles and piles of crap. Hey - if you print enough titles, the law of averages says some of them will be good. Compare the percentage of garbage vs. DC's garbage of the same time period. If DC published a book - like Extreme Justice - that was an absolute waste of trees, it was the exception, not the rule.

DC's got more innovations, obviously, since they've been doing things longer, but Marvel's no slouch.

Really, the only innovation Marvel ever had was the everyman superhero. That was Stan Lee's contribution. That's also a character innovation, not a publishing innovation. Aside from that, Marvel always riffs off what DC tests the water with first. Even the "Marvel Age of Comics" was supposedly a response to the publishing success of DC's JLA. Had JLA not been selling well for DC, Martin Goodman might never have asked Stan to write a superhero book. No JLA - no FF - no Marvel.

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by NeoSamurai
Unfortunately, the trial and error approach to comics that Marvel is doing post-bancruptcy is what got them in trouble in the first place when bombarded the market with quantity and gimmicsk over quality.

The trial and error marketing isnt what got them in trouble in the first place. It was having four covers for every comic they had and printing an excess number of comics what got them in trouble. Some books they throw out at us are actually pretty good but fans dont pick up on it and they get cancelled.

[LordChaos]

There's only one real thing that DC had done that no other comic industry in history thought of doing, and thus far it still stands to this day as one of the greatest stories of all time. By now you all should know i am talking about The Watchmen. Greatest comic line EVER!

[Assassin]

remember what i said about how marvel is for younger ppl?
well david goyer (director of Blade 1 and 3) aggrees with me, i was watching the deleted scens where morbious shows up to set up for part 2 and he said when he was young he used to read marvel and then as he grew older he read DC cuz dc is for more mature ppl while marvel is for a younger audience, thats what i said earlyer :)

[TheCorpulent1]

Why does David Goyer's opinion matter? :confused:

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by Assassin
remember what i said about how marvel is for younger ppl?
well david goyer (director of Blade 1 and 3) aggrees with me, i was watching the deleted scens where morbious shows up to set up for part 2 and he said when he was young he used to read marvel and then as he grew older he read DC cuz dc is for more mature ppl while marvel is for a younger audience, thats what i said earlyer :)

Well David Goyer's opinion matters to me as much as yours does.Nothing. Thats his opinion and youre using it as fact. Thats was like 25 years ago he was talking about and comics are different now.

[Assassin]

I didnt say it matters, im just sayen some one agrees with me :)

Why u guys gotta be so damn technical..ohh yea..going through puberty

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by Dwarf lord
you have the right to an opinion and I have the right to disagree. I dislike being able to relate to Marvel characters. It reminds me how bad my life is at times and I want to escape from that I agree with the whole relating to a character. I think that it's overrated. I prefer to empathise with characters and learn about their problems that differ from mine. Which is why I like Superman so much. He so different from me, but I want to know his problems.

[The Batman]

what marvel needs to do is focus less on Spider-man and X-men and more on the other marvel heroes. Do you notice how many writers Books such as Iron man and Captain America shuffle through? They really need to cut down on the Spider-books and X-books, because there are too much.

[Assassin]

I agree with you 100%

Push Blade up the marvel food chain!
Ghost Rider needs to be rebooted,
and stop milking wolverine!

[The Leaguer]

I'd like to see new Blade and Ghost Rider monthlies.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm pretty sure everyone would. Marvel's just too dumb to notice.

[guj19]

My preference for DC can be summed up in my preference for Major League over Minor League sports. Marvel's characters aren't as fast, strong, powerful, etc. as DC's overall. Flash is WAY faster than Quicksilver, Batman, could beat the crap out of Daredevil w/o a superpower, Superman could crush Thor. Don't get me wrong, Superpowers are cool, but everyone likes to see the character really open up his bag of tricks on a bad guy. DC's got more tricks.

Also, i like the aspect of relationships between heroes in DC. The Flash comic isn't just about the Flash, it's about hima nd all the speedsters he is involved with, which is a lot. Batman has about 5 really strong characters in his "Family." I don't really care for the Superman family, but they are making Superboy more interesting, even though his interaction with Supes feels forced. Oh, Krypto is extremely retarded too. (grumblings) stupid.... super.... dog.

On whole, I think that DC does a better job defining who their characters are (except Aquaman) than Marvel. If you read one issue, you expect the character to be largely the same 20 issues down the line because they define who the character is.

[Assassin]

Aquaman is a villian in my book...he was an original jla before but now they killed his character..they made him a selfish bastard, and all the selfish ppl in the dc universe are villians...Guy Gardner is selfish but he has a good heart on the inside..wait isnt he dead? LOL

[TheCorpulent1]

Wow, you really do start spouting bulls*** when you're bored. :o

[Assassin]

yep :D

[Zenien]

Originally posted by guj19
My preference for DC can be summed up in my preference for Major League over Minor League sports. Marvel's characters aren't as fast, strong, powerful, etc. as DC's overall. Flash is WAY faster than Quicksilver, Batman, could beat the crap out of Daredevil w/o a superpower, Superman could crush Thor. Don't get me wrong, Superpowers are cool, but everyone likes to see the character really open up his bag of tricks on a bad guy. DC's got more tricks.

Also, i like the aspect of relationships between heroes in DC. The Flash comic isn't just about the Flash, it's about hima nd all the speedsters he is involved with, which is a lot. Batman has about 5 really strong characters in his "Family." I don't really care for the Superman family, but they are making Superboy more interesting, even though his interaction with Supes feels forced. Oh, Krypto is extremely retarded too. (grumblings) stupid.... super.... dog.

On whole, I think that DC does a better job defining who their characters are (except Aquaman) than Marvel. If you read one issue, you expect the character to be largely the same 20 issues down the line because they define who the character is.

Aside from the power levels, that basically does sum up my reasons for prefering DC. Oddly enough, I like the low powered heroe's in DC as oposed to Sups and Bats. I read, Catwoman, Nightwing, Birds Of Prey, and I'm thinking of getting Teen Titans.

But the point is, every hero in the DC universe is defined in terms of who they are and how they relate to every other hero. Alos, the continuity is very polished, it seems that an action taken by one character is treated properly in EVERY other DC book. You'll hear another hero being mentioned simply because "they" had a history. It seems like a much more natural approach than Marvel's universe, where they all seem to be in their own self contained worlds.

[dontreadthose]

Batman. He's the one and only reason I prefer DC.

[crimson avenger]

Characters such as Blue Beetle, the Flash, and the late, lamented 'Mazing Man is what got me hooked on DC.
That and a small film back in '79 called Superman ;)

[Anubis]

Why does everybody hate on Aquaman so much? Scince OWAW ole Arther has learned some humility.(sort of) I mean the cool water hand thing with power that even Aquaman doesn't know about yet, He's no longer the King of Atlantis. He has lost everything. His Wife, his child, his people, he even lost the creatures of the sea for a while. Aquaman is a whole new character now. He's actually kinda cool now, in a slightly nicer less insane Namor sort of way. Lost the beard, cut the hair, brought back the cool azz orange chain mail. ( I don't care what anybody says, the original rocked.) If you don't believe me, check out his book. It's one of the most underated books DC is putting out right now.

http://www.dccomics.com/comics/images/August2004/pic_lrgaqua21cvr.jpg

http://www.dccomics.com/comics/images/July2004/pic_lrgaqua20cvr.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

I like Aquaman. My favorite issues of the new run are still the Ostrander fill-ins, though. "American Tidal" had a nice set-up but it never really went anywhere. The arc ends with him becoming "king" of Sub Diego and the big mystery turns out to be some deluded moron who mucked with everyone's genes. Kind of blah. But the character's still great and the return to his classic costume was excellent. I still think he should have a goatee or something at least, but I'm partial to beards. :D

[Anubis]

I'd like to see him back in JLA. I wanna see how he fits in with the group now that he's been brought down a peg and has less to worry about. ( then again, with this whole Sub Diego thing, he may have put himself right back where he was.) it'd be nice to see.

and as far as Sub Diego, I can see this going in a lot of different ways. Even though it's underwater, it's still an american city. you think the US is gonna take kindly to Captain White Fish takin control of american soil? Aquaman vs the United States, I could so see that storyarc. And what of Atlantis? It's now in the ocean, doesn't that make it apart of the kingdom of Atlantis? (or republic, I don't know what they are now that the King has been ousted.) I just can't believe that I have any interest in freakin Aquaman. He's one of those characters I just want to like, now I have a good reason.

[TheCorpulent1]

I want to see him show some damn devotion to the city he's ruled for years and his WIFE and go check up on Atlantis. Pfeiffer's Sub Diego premise is interesting, but they could at least finish up the arc they already introduced before moving onto something new. Poseidonis is just in limbo right now; the last we saw of it, Vulko and Tempest had taken Hagen into custody while Aquaman's battle with the Thirst restored the natural order of the sea. Veitch introduced great concepts, he just focused on the wrong things.

[Anubis]

Yeah, i thought his stuff was kinda boreing, but he did have some decent ideas. Sooner or later Arther will have to get involved with Atlantis again. Though I hope he doesn't get his throne back though.

[TheCorpulent1]

I hope he appoints Mera formally in his stead and rejoins the JLA. He's actually useful now that he can nullify magic and is nearly at J'onn's level in telepathy.

[The Leaguer]

I'd love to see him back in the JLA. Although I don't buy his book, I really like the character and I'd love to get to read him without buying another book each month.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, although I'm glad he's not on the JLA now that Austen's writing it. :o

[Anubis]

As if Aquaman doesn't have enough bad press right?

[The Leaguer]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
Yeah, although I'm glad he's not on the JLA now that Austen's writing it. :o

Heh, well, if the first of his run is any indication of how the arc will go, its not even an arc, per se. Its just a series of single issues devoted to individual characters, with appearances of JLA members. Unless he ties it all together at the end. Maybe Busiek will be intelligent enough to know Aquaman belongs on the JLA.

[TheCorpulent1]

He was intelligent enough to put him in JLA/Avengers. :up:

[Anubis]

We shall see, Busiek has always been one of my favorite writers. I think he'll do well with the League.

[The Leaguer]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
He was intelligent enough to put him in JLA/Avengers. :up:

Heh, he put everyone in JLA/Avengers, hehe.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but Aquaman was one of the main lineup. Busiek respected the Big 7 and assembled one of the best teams of Avengers too. :)

[The Leaguer]

Well, lets hope Busiek maintains his idea of the JLA's structure.

[The Leaguer]

I checked back over the article that went in-depth into Busiek's plans for JLA, and the roster he mentioned didn't include Aquaman. But thats only his initial arc, so he may include Aquaman after he begins his permanent run.

[Anubis]

Isn't Simone gonna have a JLA arc? If so, is that before or after Busiek?

[The Leaguer]

Originally posted by Anubis
Isn't Simone gonna have a JLA arc? If so, is that before or after Busiek?

It was announced that she was going to, but apparently that got phased out. Hers was announced a while ago, before Busiek was announced, so I'm guessing that when faced with the prospect of a regular writer, especially of Busiek's caliber, they sacrificed her run to secure his. The article on Busiek's run made references to a possible companion JLA monthly, so hopefully her run got pushed over onto that, and didn't just fade out completely. Thats what I'm hoping anyway.

[Anubis]

Yeah, it would have been fun to see her take on the JLA. That chick is a great writer. I loved her Deadpool/Agent X stuff. And Birds of Prey is awsome.

[The Leaguer]

All I've read of hers is Birds of Prey, which is reason enough for her to take on JLA, even if only for a short time.

[TheCorpulent1]

Birds of Prey is great.

Busiek should maintain that philosophy of the JLA. He's maintained his philosophy of the Avengers as a 100% cohesive unit--as opposed to the JLA's looser confederation of heroes that only join up to deal with big threats--throughout all of his Avengers work, and all of his Avengers work has ranged from decent (see Triathlon and the arcs about him) to absolutely phenomenal (see Avengers Forever, Ultron Unlimited, and others).

[The Leaguer]

I've only just recently begun following Avengers, so the only actual contact I've had to a Busiek story was in JLA/Avengers, but I've heard and read enough rave about Busiek's Avengers that I'm looking forward to his run on JLA. Even if he isn't the best, it'll be good to finally have a steady team on the book. These solitary arcs have been killing the series, considering the talent (or lack thereof) behind them.

[Anubis]

You should most definatly try to find a copy of Busiek's Ultron Unlimited TPB. Best Ultron Story ever. Shows just how cool a bad guy he is. And that line Thor gives when the Avengers bust through the wall after takin on that army of Ultrons...."Ultron. We would have words with thee." Classic.

[The Leaguer]

I might check it out, although I've never been too keen on Thor.

[TheCorpulent1]

Amen. The rotating talent just doesn't work for me. Each writer writes the characters differently, and if you don't have adequate time for each adjustment, you lose the identity of the characters. I remember Batman going from Loeb in Hush to Azzarello in Broken City to Winick in the last arc and becoming nearly unrecognizable. Loeb's Batman is so different from Azzarello's that it jarred me. Then Winick came on and there was yet another Batman. It's like reading about 3 different characters who happen to dress the same.

Oh, if we're doing Avengers recommendations I'd recommend Avengers Forever. It's a bit confusing if you don't know much about Avengers continuity, but it's still a great read.

[The Leaguer]

What I'd like to see is a steady team on JLA, such as Busiek and his crew, and, if that companion JLA series works out, a series of solitary arcs on that. That way, JLA has consistent stories with a smooth flow. Meanwhile, on the other title, we get to see different creator's takes on the interaction and teamwork of all of DC's big guns.

[Anubis]

Thats really the way all the big books should work in my opinon.

[The Leaguer]

I don't know how well that formula would work on other books and characters, but I think it would work with JLA because thats just a huge book with huge characters and a ton of potential and possibilities. I can think of a slew of creators that I'd like to see take on DC's big guns, and if that can happen without taking away the flow of the main JLA monthly, perfect.

[Anubis]

Isn't that what Tales of the Dark Knight is supposed to be with Batman? I don't know, I just stick with Batman and Gotham Central. But hell, I could see that workin with Action Comics. At least it would get rid of Austin.

[The Leaguer]

Yeah, I think that is how Tales of the Dark Knight is, although I think for the most part, that book isn't in continuity, but I could be wrong. Personally, I'd like to see the companion JLA book in-continuity, as long as the creators leave all the big changes to the main roster to the folks at the regular book. Since the JLA has a large pool of reserves and rotating chairs, the companion writers could pick and choose from a great many chracters they could include without affecting the main book.

[Nylen]

I only like DC becuz they have Batman.

The rest licks balls

[Tony Stark]

I like some DC characters, but let's face it other than Supes, Batman and Wonderwoman it seems like they fundamentally change every character in their universe.

I never got the "Crisis on Infinite Earths" thing. Marvel brought back their "Golden Age" heros but kept the continuity of who they were. I guess DC thought their characters were to cheesey in the 1930's and 40's so they had to re-write all their origins.

I grew up with the Hal Jordan Green Lantern (who was one of my favorites), now he's somebody else. What the hell was wrong with Hal Jordan that they felt the need to kill him off? And if they make a GL movie, will it be Hal Jordan or Kyle Rayner????

The same thing happened with Flash. What the heck???

Then they take Aquaman, who at least had some originality, and turn him into a knock off of Sub-Mariner.

Still, I love alot of the DC characters, and of us gen-x'ers who didn't grow up watching the SuperFriends, as cheesey as it may have been, you had to love it.

But I just never could get into the comics. I tried to get back into them with the whole "Death of Superman" thing, but that just seemed to be a whole marketing ploy to sell more comics. The story and the artwork in that series, I felt was very poor.

[Anubis]

Well, to tell you the truth, Hal isn't dead. he will be coming back in the Green Lanturn: Rebirth mini coming up soon written by Goeff Johns. So, at least you can have Hal back. but I think you need to give Kyle a chance. He is the second best GL ever. Creativity is the key word. He's done things that Hal never did. Plus he has had some great stories in his relativly short stint as GL. Brothers Keeper comes to mind.

As far as Flash, Barry Alan died during the crisis years ago, scince then its been all Wally West who is by far, the best Flash ever. No other flash has had the kind of power that Wally has. Check out some of his trades and the current book which is one of the best comics on the market.

The thing about DC is not so much that they change the characters but that there is Legacy. That these heros move on. Some die, some just get old. Look at JSA. A great team book, that showcases the Golden age heros. Green Lanturn Alan Scott, Golden age Flash Jay Garrick, Wildcat, hawkman, and a ton of young heros carrying on the legacy of those passed on like Sand, Mr. Terrific, and Star. This is the perfect book which bridges the old and new. Check it out.

[Tony Stark]

Well I'm glad their bringing Hal Jordan back, but I thought he was too major of a character to kill off in the first place.

[Anubis]

I wouldn't have minded if he stayed as Paralx. As an Ultimate reminder to all the heros that power corrupts, but absolute power corrupts absolutly. When Hal comes back, think of all the stories that could come of it. you gotta remember that the rest of the Universe sees Hal as the biggest evil that ever was. He killed billions, through his own actions and indirectly by destroying the GL corps and robbing sectors of the only heros they had. At first I didn't like the idea that he was comin back cause I had grown accustomed to Kyle, but the possiblities for deep character drivin stories are too good to pass up. The question is, will he get a ring right away? I hope not, after all he has done, he is gonna have to do something really big in order to get it back. Whats done is done, and you can't go back. Maybe Hal's return will be a good thing after all.

[Darthphere]

Well technically speaking Hal as The Spectre can make everyone forget he was parallax and then come back but I dont know the details of how that would work.

[Anubis]

That would be a cheap way out. I want to see this dealt with. He doesn't deserve to get a redo.

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by Anubis
That would be a cheap way out. I want to see this dealt with. He doesn't deserve to get a redo.

It is a cheap way out. But if you think about it as Parallax how much did his actions really affect Earth. I mean really affect them. The whole GL Corps took place somewhere else. I can see how many alien races might want to settle a score with Hal but the people of Earth can be made very oblivious to his actions. They elected lex Luthor president right?

[Anubis]

True, but they are aware of what he did. Luthors' operations were never really shown to the public. And do you really think the other heros will take him back? Batman sure as hell wouldn't. Proablly a hell of a lot of other heros as well. I just think that to ignor it would be an even bigger travisty than what happened in the first place.

[Darthphere]

But since Hal's "death" all the heroes have always looked back at Hal in a good light. They remember the good about Hal. They probabaly would look at Hal suspiciously but in the long run every bad guy always gets a second chance why not Hal?

[Anubis]

Which is why they should go with everyone knowing what he did, the mistrust, the out right anger, you can't tell me it wouldn't be great to see Hal meet back up with Kilowag? Knowing what he did, the betrayal. Thats just too good a story waiting to happen. Dump it for a cheap, guess what? it never happened cop out? no, this should be dealt with, and sure he could gain the trust of the people of Earth back, but the Universe may never forgive him. And if that doesn't add some depth to a, for the most part, dull character then what will?

[Darthphere]

I agree with you completely.

[No-Face]

I always preferd Marvel. When you read Marvel they have heroes you can relate to who don't just have to worry about beating a famous villian for the millionth time. They normaly have something like a death, divorce or break up also looming over their head. I get bored silly of DC characters who basicly fight a villian and then maybe have a few little human problems thrown in.

Superman is a typical DC character. He bores me to death. I'd pick X-Men over him anyday.

[Unthinkable]

Originally posted by No-Face
I always preferd Marvel. When you read Marvel they have heroes you can relate to who don't just have to worry about beating a famous villian for the millionth time. They normaly have something like a death, divorce or break up also looming over their head. I get bored silly of DC characters who basicly fight a villian and then maybe have a few little human problems thrown in.

Superman is a typical DC character. He bores me to death. I'd pick X-Men over him anyday.

I'm just wondering, do you read DC? And if so, what?

[Anubis]

I mean really, when was the last time you read a DC comic? 1960? That whole thing about unrelatable characters is dead and gone. What the DC heros do have is larger than life characters, Icons. They have there problems like everyone else. Flash lost his unborn twins. Green Lantern got drunk and paralized his best friend in a car accident. Another GL's gay friend was nearly beaten to death, prompting him to hunt down and torture the guys that did it. Green Arrow is a womanizer who just can't seem to keep it in his pants. Those aren't real life problems? Something that couldn't happen to you or someone you know?

I never understood this whole unrelatable crap people always bring up when talkin about DC. Like you can relate to a guy with super powers, and married to a super model. or a Billionaire who builds suits of armor when he's not drunk? What Superhero can you relate to really? What Marvel has a lot of heros with little power. If thats what you want then check out Birds of Prey, Green Arrow, Batman, Nightwing, or Outsiders. But I think thats a really limited view and you'll only miss out on some great stories.

[flash13]

Some of my favorite superheros are DC like Flash and Batman but my other favorites are Hulk Spider-man and The Human Torch And Cyclops so i cant chose wich one i like better.:hulk:

[The Batman]

Originally posted by No-Face
I always preferd Marvel. When you read Marvel they have heroes you can relate to who don't just have to worry about beating a famous villian for the millionth time. They normaly have something like a death, divorce or break up also looming over their head. I get bored silly of DC characters who basicly fight a villian and then maybe have a few little human problems thrown in.

Superman is a typical DC character. He bores me to death. I'd pick X-Men over him anyday.


I can tell you've never read a DC comic in your life

[The Sage]

Originally posted by Anubis
I mean really, when was the last time you read a DC comic? 1960? That whole thing about unrelatable characters is dead and gone. What the DC heros do have is larger than life characters, Icons. They have there problems like everyone else. Flash lost his unborn twins. Green Lantern got drunk and paralized his best friend in a car accident. Another GL's gay friend was nearly beaten to death, prompting him to hunt down and torture the guys that did it. Green Arrow is a womanizer who just can't seem to keep it in his pants. Those aren't real life problems? Something that couldn't happen to you or someone you know?

I never understood this whole unrelatable crap people always bring up when talkin about DC. Like you can relate to a guy with super powers, and married to a super model. or a Billionaire who builds suits of armor when he's not drunk? What Superhero can you relate to really? What Marvel has a lot of heros with little power. If thats what you want then check out Birds of Prey, Green Arrow, Batman, Nightwing, or Outsiders. But I think thats a really limited view and you'll only miss out on some great stories.

Not to mention Green Lantern's coping with his girlfriend cheating on him in his OWN apartment!

[Anubis]

I know! Broad had the nerve to do a guy in the man's own house. Now if that aint pain you can relate to then I don't know what is.

[DarkKnightJRK]

Originally posted by Anubis
I mean really, when was the last time you read a DC comic? 1960? That whole thing about unrelatable characters is dead and gone. What the DC heros do have is larger than life characters, Icons. They have there problems like everyone else. Flash lost his unborn twins. Green Lantern got drunk and paralized his best friend in a car accident. Another GL's gay friend was nearly beaten to death, prompting him to hunt down and torture the guys that did it. Green Arrow is a womanizer who just can't seem to keep it in his pants. Those aren't real life problems? Something that couldn't happen to you or someone you know?

I never understood this whole unrelatable crap people always bring up when talkin about DC. Like you can relate to a guy with super powers, and married to a super model. or a Billionaire who builds suits of armor when he's not drunk? What Superhero can you relate to really? What Marvel has a lot of heros with little power. If thats what you want then check out Birds of Prey, Green Arrow, Batman, Nightwing, or Outsiders. But I think thats a really limited view and you'll only miss out on some great stories.

:up:

[Farradin]

One simple reason.

DC would win in a fight if it came down to it. By this I mean they are more powerful. They fight more powerful villains. Who in the marvel could stand up to the JSA, let alone the JLA?

But this is often accompanied by great writing. I mean they have made a man with no powers, who is dressed like a giant rodent arguable one of the coolest characters ever made.

But one thing that has made me take notice of the Marvel Universe lately is the X-men. Now that they are public knowledge and are recruiting every mutant under the sun, (and juggernaut) it is interesting to see where they will go from here.

[TheBatman1979]

Hmm, this question is valid I guess. I do read marvel comics but only about 7 titles though, compared to the 20 DC titles I read month. It does have to do with the characters. I like certain characters better and they happen to be DC but more over it has to do with the talent DC has on their roster really gives me the stories and art I want to see. Think about it. They've got Greg Rucka, Jim Lee, Micheal Turner, Jeph Loeb, Tim Sale, Geoff Johns, Judd Winick, Matt Wagner, Brian Bolland, Alex Ross, Paul Dini and the list goes on and on. Grant Morrison and Bruce Jones are even coming to DC.

I guess I prefer DC because the Characters appeal to me and the talent is amazing. Isn't that what makes comics great?

[The Leaguer]

I didn't think this warrented its own thread, so I figured I'd stick it here. A while back, I don't remember which thread it was in, we were discussing continuity, specifically in relation to Tim as Robin. It was mentioned that Tim is still Robin in Batman, and I pointed out that at the beginning of the series, it was stated that the story took place before the issue of Robin where Tim gave up the mantle. Well, did anyone notice that the second-to-last page of the latest Batman, where Tim is in Titans Tower, almost completely replicated the scene in Teen Titans #2, where Bart and Gar are fighting over the remote control to the TV? Even the remote looks exactly the same. Its not very major, but I thought it was a neat touch Winnick and Nguyen threw in to support continuity.

[Anubis]

That is pretty cool.

[The Leaguer]

I'm glad to see that DC is getting a clue and putting some steady creators on their books. First Busiek on JLA, now it has been announced that, following War Games, Winnick will become the regular writer on Batman, with Doug Mahnke, of JLA and Superman fame, as his regular penciller. I don't think the rotating creator cast was working for either book, especially not JLA. Lots of people have agreed that the differing takes on Batman displayed by the various recent creative teams was taking away from the book, and I'm glad DC is trying to remedy that.

[Anubis]

Yeah, I never cared for the whole superstar creative team for 12 issues. A 25 or 30 issue run from a talented writer and artist team like Winnick and Mahnke is worth 10 Hush's.

[casualspidey101]

Originally posted by Anubis
I mean really, when was the last time you read a DC comic? 1960? That whole thing about unrelatable characters is dead and gone. What the DC heros do have is larger than life characters, Icons. They have there problems like everyone else. Flash lost his unborn twins. Green Lantern got drunk and paralized his best friend in a car accident. Another GL's gay friend was nearly beaten to death, prompting him to hunt down and torture the guys that did it. Green Arrow is a womanizer who just can't seem to keep it in his pants. Those aren't real life problems? Something that couldn't happen to you or someone you know?

I never understood this whole unrelatable crap people always bring up when talkin about DC. Like you can relate to a guy with super powers, and married to a super model. or a Billionaire who builds suits of armor when he's not drunk? What Superhero can you relate to really? What Marvel has a lot of heros with little power. If thats what you want then check out Birds of Prey, Green Arrow, Batman, Nightwing, or Outsiders. But I think thats

a really limited view and you'll only miss out on some great stories.



thats because DC to notice on how marvel's charaters were relatable and how they were getting al;l the popularity so DC decided to follow the footsteps of marvel duh!

[Darthphere]

Yeah thats it. You got it now. :rolleyes:

[Anubis]

Was'nt DC the first to introduce social conscience into comics? I mean with the GL/GA series in the early 70's? And don't forget Speedy's drug problem? People are always so quick to do away with the accomplishments of DC.

[Unthinkable]

Gl/GA was basically only about social issues... And thats why you guys need to pick up the Neal Adams collections, dammit. :mad:

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by Anubis
Was'nt DC the first to introduce social conscience into comics? I mean with the GL/GA series in the early 70's? And don't forget Speedy's drug problem? People are always so quick to do away with the accomplishments of DC.

Dont want to sound nitpicky but I believe Spider-Man was the first to do a drug related story with Harry;s drug problem and the girl who thought she could fly.

[Unthinkable]

Yeah, but GL/GA had a lot more social issues. Spidey was just the first to go without the CCA.

[Darthphere]

Im just saying. Anyways GL/GA ownz all of youz!

[Unthinkable]

:(

True.

[Anubis]

and really, heroin kicks LSD's @$$ any day.

[Anubis]

whatever fig nutz.:rolleyes:

[Movies205]

Better comics:o Plain and simple... I love the hulk but his book blows. I dropped it, I love batman and his book rocks... See how DC provides me with good books:D

[Jplaya2023]

because it's comc home for the GOAT whose Batman for DC.

[TheCorpulent1]

So Batman's a goat now?

[Jplaya2023]

So Batman's a goat now?

Its an acronoym pimp juice

G.O.A.T. = greatest of all time

[TheCorpulent1]

The greatest goat of all time? So why don't they call him Batgoat? Or, if he's the greatest, the Ubergoat?

[Darthphere]

Wow, this thread sucks.

[sethcohen]

we should snaz it up a bit with refferances to anything but the thread topic, start a few board fights, gang up on a newb then get back on topic and start the whole cycle again...

[TheCorpulent1]

Shut up, newb. No one does that kind of s*** here. :o

[Darthphere]

Wow, I said this 2 years ago.

The problem with you my good friend is you have no idea what youre talking about. You at like you do but dont. Give me examples of how Marvel is too "cartoony". Continuity is easier at DC because they got 2 or 3 witers writting all their core books. Geoff Johns on how many books?

Not much has changed. Is that a good or bad thing, up to you.

[Fledermaus]

I started reading Wolverine: Origins. It's the only Marvel book I read. I can't put my finger on it but something about it is just ...off. I've read DC for 17 years. And I guess I'm use to their style. I don't know. I enjoy Origins, but I enjoy every DC book I read more. And I read Nightwing.

[TheCorpulent1]

Wow, Origins is the only Marvel book you read? That's sad. Not because I'm a huge Marvel fan or anything, but just... Origins? Really? :(

[supes_el]

alright, who bought back the 2 year old thread...

btw: because DC is cooler :supes:

[Kool-Aid]

Wow, I said this 2 years ago.



Not much has changed. Is that a good or bad thing, up to you.


What was the matter with it my good friend?

[Jplaya2023]

Shut up, newb. No one does that kind of s*** here. :o

lmao! sonned!!

[Darthphere]

I dont really like it myself, but its up to you if you like it or not.

[Bullseye]

I really read both DC and Marvel. I mainly read DC books that are Post-Crisis when searching for back issues.

[bengus]

Read both, reading more of Marvel's back-issues because of Civil War recently. But upon reflection, I prefer DC's more iconic superhero feel, maybe because my tastes like the mythic more.

[Apprentice]

Shut up, newb. No one does that kind of s*** here. :o

I wouldn't say no one... ;)

[TheCorpulent1]

You shut up too, newb. :mad:

[sethcohen]

tell him! hahah

[Apprentice]

lol :woot: :cwink:

[sethcohen]

but back on topic (see how i complete the cycle?)
i like the way DC is heading (in general... there is some crap i hate which im sure ive complained enough about for you all to know...)
Marvel started going in a bad direction for me a while ago... they cant figure out what to do with spidey... i really got disgusted when they started undoing alot of what grant morrison did in new x-men... i thought that was some of the most inventive, freshest stuff on the x-men in years... possibly since claremont's heyday, then hack writers couldnt figure out what to do next so JQ has HoM and gets rid of most mutants? ugh... im dont with marvel till JQ is gone... i know Didio can be just as bad, but atleast Levitz will tell him no sometimes...

[Arkady Rossovich]

DC is basically doing alot of good with its characters,and DC has been doing alot of good with its characters.Marvel has just run itself into the ground,and i hate it that they think Civil War is better than Infinite Crisis.

[Darthphere]

LOL! I love when people cant grasp the concept of opinion.

[sethcohen]

everyone has opinions man... just most peoples are wrong!

[Darthphere]

everyone has opinions man... just most peoples are wrong!


Like your opinion that Bart sucks as Flash.:o

[hippie_hunter]

DC has continuity and Marvel doesn't. Don't get me wrong I like Marvel's character's and know the basis, I just don't read their comics

Reading that comment really makes me feel newbish :(

I'm glad now that I've started going into Marvel. Astonishing X-Men, Uncanny X-Men, Captain America, Cable & Deadpool, and others are seriously rocking right now!

Although I still do like DC better, I get the feeling that DC treats their characters with more respect than Marvel does. And I like DC's tighter continuity. And DC has my favorite superhero: Aquaman!

[sethcohen]

Like your opinion that Bart sucks as Flash.:o
no, thats fact... it shouldnt be, but it is... the current crappy bart we have now thats been prematurely aged sucks as the flash

[J. Stooge]

Personally, I prefer DC because I enjoy the overall feel of the characters.

I admit, before I was like many people who had never picked up a comic before - I liked Marvel better because I felt their characters to be more real and I hated Superman. When I finally found a comic shop that didn't take over an hour to get to, I only got the Ultimate Marvel books.

Then I picked up Infinite Crisis #1 and met Geoff and Phil. Now I love DC. Every week I go into my local shop and the majority of my pulls are DC. Each week I end up adding a title or two to my list. I love the characters that DC has forged. I'm far more interested in them than I am Spider-Man and Wolverine (Currently.). I don't care for relatability or "realism". It's a comic - I don't want to see my life on page, nor do I want there to be any "reaslism. I just want great characters that work together, with interesting stories.

(If anyone wants to recommend any titles, I'd appreciate it.)