Recycled Music

[Catman]

What the hell happened here? Danny Elfman only composed two or three new scores. Everything else was recycled! Kind of disappointing. Considering the amazing job he did in Batman Returns.

[Liquid Snake]

Yeah I was like WTF?!?! The scene for burning building was exactly the one from spiderman 1 burning building. Elfman is an idiot.

[TNC9852002]

It's far from idiotic

-TNC

[Symbiotica]

I liked the reuse of the music because it made it more familiar, like we were revisiting old friends or something. Personally Elfman would not have been my pick for the first one, but since he was picked...

Its like a soap-opera. They don't change the theme-music every day. You hear that music and you say, "Oh goody, my show's on now.... what happens next?!"

(Well ideally you do... soap-operas now are extremely boring IMO. I'll use Dark Shadows as an example. You hear that goofy music and then the fun begins!)

That's really what these comics are: soap-operas for guys, with fistfights included :gg:

[MCRapier9]

there's something about constant changing music in sequels that takes away the consistency in a movie. in x2, it was almost like not watching the sequel to x men cause the music was different...that's mainly in terms of the theme music changing, that i think should remain the same mostly, with little changes in it.

[MST3KPIMP]

his pee wee's big adventure score was the effin bomb,

[Catman]

Originally posted by Liquid Snake
Elfman is an idiot.

I'm gonna throw a rock at you for saying that.

[Catman]

Originally posted by MST3KPIMP
his pee wee's big adventure score was the effin bomb

He could have used the Pee-Wee Herman theme during the elevator scene. :p

[TNC9852002]

Originally posted by MCRapier9
there's something about constant changing music in sequels that takes away the consistency in a movie. in x2, it was almost like not watching the sequel to x men cause the music was different...that's mainly in terms of the theme music changing, that i think should remain the same mostly, with little changes in it.
Great example..

I really missed Kamen's score from the first X-Men, IMO...They felt like completely different movies..

-TNC

[MarvelMovies]

Made it seem like one complete film.. like one complete section type of thing..

I liked it..

[capitalism!]

The Spider-Man theme is practically the same, except for a section in the middle that throws me off everytime I watch it, as well as in the opening, which is exactly the same except in red, and they add this weird sound when the first web strand appears across the screen, maybe it was an oboe? Everytime I watch it, I feel like I've stumbled into an alternate universe, and I'm watching the Bizarro-"Spiderman".

And I loved the Ock theme, pure brass horns I think (I'm probably wrong), very simplistic, almost like a Jaws style theme.

[Oniwago 18]

The opening credits for Spider-Man 2 are the same as the first one? Were you not awake for the credits? I don't remember the painted spoilers, but maybe that's just me.

The first, oh, twenty seconds is similar, but not the same. They might have just reused the first shot to make you think of the first movie, until they blatanly reminded you of it.

[capitalism!]

Originally posted by Oniwago 18
The opening credits for Spider-Man 2 are the same as the first one? Were you not awake for the credits? I don't remember the painted spoilers, but maybe that's just me.

The first, oh, twenty seconds is similar, but not the same. They might have just reused the first shot to make you think of the first movie, until they blatanly reminded you of it.


Uh, when I said the opening, I was referring to those twenty seconds. Really, what else would I be referring to?
Don't be so thinskinned, I'm not trying to subvert the greatness of Spidey, indeed I enjoyed what they did, because it makes Spidey 2 even more of a companion piece.

[Oniwago 18]

Eh, I consider the entire sequence the opening.

The opening of Spider-Man was all the credits up until the web dissolve.

Easy to get confused, so I apologize.

[capitalism!]

Originally posted by Oniwago 18
Eh, I consider the entire sequence the opening.

The opening of Spider-Man was all the credits up until the web dissolve.

Easy to get confused, so I apologize.

Don't worry about it.;)

[Danny Elfman]

Wait for the score cd...you'll hear that most of the music Elfman composed for the film was taken out by Raimi and/or producers.

I still haven't seen the movie (1.45 tomorrow :p) but one of the clip on ifilm confirms that this recycling approach is not a choice by Danny Elfman (he wouldn't have score the movie in those conditions) : it's the scene with aunt may and the "hero" monologue. In that clip, the music used from the first movie is "Getting Through" , which is in fact the love theme for PP and MJ. It just doesn't make any sense...:confused:

[Liquid Snake]

I really hope they didnt pay Danny for just playing his music over again. I only heard a few new scores and 2 songs "raindrop" and the other one.

[Magneto29]

The music may have sounded the same in the theatres but i'm sure there are small differences between the 2 movie scores. If not, i'll be very very angry :mad:

[afrayedknot]

Yeah, I was really disappointed with the score. It seemed as though Danny Elfman got really lazy with it. It repeated the same portion from the Main Theme in several scenes. I'm sure I'll wind up buying the CD anyway.

[Magneto29]

Wasn't it not his fault though ? Didn't they re-edit a bunch of scenes and threw out his score ? :confused:

[Danny Elfman]

Originally posted by Magneto29
Wasn't it not his fault though ? Didn't they re-edit a bunch of scenes and threw out his score ? :confused:

Well, that's what I keep repeating but apparently it's hard to be understood. I already see comments in 20 days, when the score will be released : "hey, there are huge parts that are not in the film !! Why ??"...:rolleyes:

[spidergreg55337]

Recycled music is what makes some movies great. Who doesnt know the music from Star wars. Would anyone ever consider changing the opening music. How about the superman music? Indiana Jones. Jaws. That music stands alone and when we hear it at a sporting event or something the movie clicks in our head. These movies and many more kept several music and themes and reused them.

[b0bb33z3r]

Originally posted by Mnemosyne
I liked the reuse of the music because it made it more familiar, like we were revisiting old friends or something. Personally Elfman would not have been my pick for the first one, but since he was picked...

Its like a soap-opera. They don't change the theme-music every day. You hear that music and you say, "Oh goody, my show's on now.... what happens next?!"

(Well ideally you do... soap-operas now are extremely boring IMO. I'll use Dark Shadows as an example. You hear that goofy music and then the fun begins!)

That's really what these comics are: soap-operas for guys, with fistfights included :gg:

Or just think: Original Star Wars Trilogy. much revisited and reused work. It's like you said. there are certain themes and those are used to portay the characters. You feel like you're returning home. bah. Elfman did a great job.

[Dragon]

For that matter the Superman films re-used the same music. The Indiana Jones films as well. It's the nature of a franchise. And I liked how it was used personally. I think Elfman's music complimented the movie nicely.

[Danny Elfman]

Okay, I've seen the movie.
SHAME on M.Raimi and the produceurs. Now I see what happened : they temp tracked the movie with the first movie's score and with other scores like Young's Hellraiser II. Then of course, they ask Elfman to compose the original music. But the love Raimi had for the temp track was too strong and they ended up taking Elfman's original music off and using the temp track instead. They even asked Young to rescore the cue from Hellraiser II !
Hopefully, the music Elfman composed will be on the score cd, released July 20th.

If I was Danny Elfman, I would certainly not accept to score the third one - those filmmakers just don't deserve his talent...

[Geo7877]

When the hell has it been said that they booted Elfman's score? Stop making assumptions for stuff you weren't there for.

[Daggard]

Elfman was on autopilot the whole time.

And people are calling this guy the next John Williams?

[Sundry]

The score was fine, but there definately could have been a few more tracks that we hadn't already heard before. The Star Wars trilogy (the first one, not the prequels) is a great example of how to reintroduce the same themes while incorporating them into a whole new score.

My biggest complaint was the soundtrack. Raimi's picks were good, but everything after the credits started rolling sucked. Those songs were awful. Macy Gray's got nothing on these boobs. :mad:

[krizzzle]

yea using old music brings a connection from the fist

[Catman]

I have nothing against recycling some of the themes, but Elfman only composed two or three new scores. He could have done more then that. Does Batman Returns ring a bell?

[Kipobe]

Originally posted by Catman
I have nothing against recycling some of the themes, but Elfman only composed two or three new scores. He could have done more then that. Does Batman Returns ring a bell? Here, I wrote some of my thoughts in another thread... here's one of my comments, because I completely understand what you're saying...

Originally posted by Killa Pooh Bear
You know what... the more and more I think about it, the more I did in fact like the score. It's gonna take a few listens for some people, but it worked.

I'm sick of people who say that Elfman sped up his Batman score for Spider-man... that's beyond ignorance... it's retarded, and you can't clearly be breaking down the music like some people do. Spider-man was built from the ground up, and had elements, (not samples) of Batman, which is expected because it's the same composer.

Spider-man 2 was not reworked as much as Batman Returns was reworked, but I'm sure by the time I listen to the score seperate from the movie, it'll back up my belief that this is indeed a very well put together score.

I'm really looking forward to hearing the Ock theme again, specifically when he's showing off the tenticles at Oscorp. That music was astounding. True, there was alot of repitition from the original, but some of that was to be expected... some was gratuitous...

Can't wait to judge for myself away from the movie setting! :up:

[Kipobe]

Originally posted by Danny Elfman
Wait for the score cd...you'll hear that most of the music Elfman composed for the film was taken out by Raimi and/or producers.

I still haven't seen the movie (1.45 tomorrow :p) but one of the clip on ifilm confirms that this recycling approach is not a choice by Danny Elfman (he wouldn't have score the movie in those conditions) : it's the scene with aunt may and the "hero" monologue. In that clip, the music used from the first movie is "Getting Through" , which is in fact the love theme for PP and MJ. It just doesn't make any sense...:confused: Pretty much what I figured... that's exactly why I said I wanted to listed to the score seperate from the movie! :up:

[SLYspyda]

if you're complaining about "recycled music" your retarded. how the **** is spider-man going to have a theme if he changes it in each movie. i'm so glad everything was the same. it was a wise move by sony.

[The Green Goblin]

Also The music for the burning building scene is exactly the same as the "burning building scene" from Spidey 1 . And in the unmasking scene on the train you can hear the exact cut they used when Peter brought Norman's body home...

If it wasn't Elffman's choice to do this, guess its not really fair to blame him... unless what he scored is total ****.

I agree the only fair way is to listen to the score seperate from the movie.

[Catman]

Originally posted by SLYspyda
if you're complaining about "recycled music" your retarded. how the **** is spider-man going to have a theme if he changes it in each movie. i'm so glad everything was the same. it was a wise move by sony.

I'm not talking about the actual Spider-Man theme. I'm talking about the different scores within the film.

[Daggard]

I'm all for using the same themes to keep continuity, but I watched Spidey 1 the day before Spidey 2 and they were EXACTLY the same in many many scenes.

Doesn't this guy have any new material?

It sounded like they just cobbled together some unused themes from 1 and used that score for 80% of the rest of the film.

A score can be a charater too, that elevates the film, that provides an emotional core to the visual material. Most composers (like Williams) take out their themes, dust them off and mature them or alter them, just as the charcters themselves mature and grow.

Harry Potter 3 is a great example of Williams adding new, vibrant and majestic music to the franchise. Each of his films as a different theme that dominates the film, along with all the familiar themes. By doing this, he not only gives each film a fresh sound and voice, but adds new depth and character to the piece.

Elfman's Spider-Man 2 score is Spider-man 1's score with a couple of new themes thrown in for Ock. That's it. The danger of doing this is repetition. The burning building sounds like the one in 1. Mj talking to Pete sounds like every other time they talked in 1. etc etc etc.

Then people who watch it think "meh it's just rehashing the first film". Which although isn't necessarily true, still feels like it is.

[Catman]

I agree with you Killa Pooh Bear that we are all gonna have to listen to the CD when it is released. However, as of right now I'm still kind of disappointed. I was expecting Elfman to compose more new music. I've always felt that his score for Spider-Man was sort of a comeback for him. Most of the stuff he did after Men In Black/Good Will Hunting sucked. Then he did Spider-Man and put himself back on the map. I was expecting Spider-Man 2 to have the freshness that Batman Returns had.

Also think about how much better the operating room scene could have been. Hopefully no one has forgotten about Darkman, Sam Raimi's original comic book movie. Danny Elfman composed some great stuff for that movie that he could have used for the operating room scene. Yet he is absent.

[spideylover89]

I liked Danny's score (or the little bit of it they used) for this film. Recycling music is not his decision and its not because he couldn't compose any new material. That's all sony and sam's decision, so to blame Elfman is unfair. I can't wait for his score to come out on cd because I really want to hear the entire thing. I also enjoyed the theme, some of the modifications were cool. I've really grown to love that opening theme and every time I hear those opening notes I get chills down my spine. Just hearing the music start gets me excited because I know I'm about to see the greatest film ever. The bits of Elfman's score that were included in the film were good and they fit the film really well.

[Kipobe]

Originally posted by Catman
I agree with you Killa Pooh Bear that we are all gonna have to listen to the CD when it is released. However, as of right now I'm still kind of disappointed. I was expecting Elfman to compose more new music. I've always felt that his score for Spider-Man was sort of a comeback for him. Most of the stuff he did after Men In Black/Good Will Hunting sucked. Then he did Spider-Man and put himself back on the map. I was expecting Spider-Man 2 to have the freshness that Batman Returns had.

Also think about how much better the operating room scene could have been. Hopefully no one has forgotten about Darkman, Sam Raimi's original comic book movie. Danny Elfman composed some great stuff for that movie that he could have used for the operating room scene. Yet he is absent. Just off the top of my head, the music I recall for the scene where Ock gets the arms was quite brilliant... it sounded "breakthrough"-ish, yet it had the beginnings of the Ock theme...

My memory is starting to fail me on most of the music, but I can't wait for the score personally... the reusing of the most of the music actually seemed like it was because of Raimi...

[zanos]

Originally posted by Danny Elfman
Wait for the score cd...you'll hear that most of the music Elfman composed for the film was taken out by Raimi and/or producers.

I still haven't seen the movie (1.45 tomorrow :p) but one of the clip on ifilm confirms that this recycling approach is not a choice by Danny Elfman (he wouldn't have score the movie in those conditions) : it's the scene with aunt may and the "hero" monologue. In that clip, the music used from the first movie is "Getting Through" , which is in fact the love theme for PP and MJ. It just doesn't make any sense...:confused:


I think it says alot of Elfman's music when your biggest supporter doesn't like your work enough that he felt he had to supplant it with music from the first film. On top of it other composers were brought in to score other parts of SM2. See even Raimi doesn't like Elfman's crappy scoring.

[capitalism!]

Originally posted by zanos
I think it says alot of Elfman's music when your biggest supporter doesn't like your work enough that he felt he had to supplant it with music from the first film. On top of it other composers were brought in to score other parts of SM2. See even Raimi doesn't like Elfman's crappy scoring.

Elfman works great with the right directors. Sam Raimi is not the right director for him to be working with, imo.

Sam Raimi must have really liked the Batman theme, since the theme to his movie Darkman is an imitation. He wanted to pull a Burton and have Elman write HIS classic hero themes, imo (the first five seconds of Spider-Man's credits are even the same as the first five seconds of Batman's credits- they open on a cloudy, dark blue ominous sky. Except with Burton, Elfman built the music up slowly before going full blast. When the Spidey-movies begin, it sounds like he's half way there already).

Spider-Man's score is has more uplight than either, but it's still kind of weak (although by now, I associate it with the Spidey movies in my mind).

That's the only real complaint I can lodge against Raimi is his misuse of a great talent.

[Danny Elfman]

Ever heard "A Simple Plan" ?

Anyway, there are clips available now on the score cd page at Sony music store :
http://www.sonymusicstore.com/store/catalog/MerchandiseDetails.jsp?merchId=72863&mname=CD

Some clips contain music not included in the film and I think "Aunt May Packs" wasn't even in the film at all. The release date is now July 27th though...

[Kipobe]

I heard "Aunt May Packs", it's a mildly remixed version of "getting through" from the first film.

[Danny Elfman]

No it's a new orchestration of "Alone"; but why did they use the original version in the film while they have this new one ?

There's something really weird about this score and how they choosed to use it. I guess we'll have to wait until someone decides to talk about it (Elfman or Raimi). Maybe on the dvd...

[Kipobe]

Originally posted by capitalism!
Elfman works great with the right directors. Sam Raimi is not the right director for him to be working with, imo. I don't agree with everything you said, but that first statement alone is something I've said for a looooong time. Raimi is the right person to direct, but in order to get the most powerful score (for some people) I think someone like Howard Shore woulda pleased the masses.

Elfman really does feed of the Directors style. It's obvious that with someone like Tim Burton he had freedom to create since their styles of movie-making are very similar; but in a more rigid system, Elfman has to conform to Raimi's image, and alot of his potential is capped before it gets of the ground.

I really do like what Elfman has done with this score though. The first movie established a theme that well represented a "Peter Parker" and a "Spider-man", and a heroic undertone in all of that. It wasn't flashy or over-the-top, but it did have elements that made it unique and powerful if applied properly... (see "final confrontation" and "farewell" from the first score).

The Goblin theme was evident in the sequel more than the original. It played in so well with the music that was playing at that time... and hearing that theme alone shifted my feeling in the movie theater at that time. The music that Elfman reused in the sequel has a softer edge to it. It's very subtle, but it's one of the things that remind me of the subtle differences that existed in the Batman theme and the Batman Returns theme. A slight adjustment of the instruments used, and more of a heroic undertone added to the character.

The more and more I think about it, I can't wait to have that score. It'll hold me over until the DVD release! :up:

[Kipobe]

Originally posted by Danny Elfman
No it's a new orchestration of "Alone"; but why did they use the original version in the film while they have this new one ?

There's something really weird about this score and how they choosed to use it. I guess we'll have to wait until someone decides to talk about it (Elfman or Raimi). Maybe on the dvd... Oh yeah, I listened to those clips... it is a new orchestration of "Alone"; but the music played at that time in the movie seemed more reminiscent of "getting through".

Maybe I just haven't seen the movie in a while... :confused:

I'm interested in what Elfman or Raimi has to say too.

[Danny Elfman]

No no, you're right Killa Pooh Bear : what we hear in the movie is Getting Through (again : it doesn't make any sense thematicly speaking) but I don't see why they didn't use this version instead or why didn't they at least use this new version of Alone for the scenes where they use the original one.

Get it ? :D

[seattlespidey]

Originally posted by MarvelMovies
Made it seem like one complete film.. like one complete section type of thing..

I liked it..


Yeah, seriously, the films now have a theme, the credits theme is the Spiderman theme now. I love it.

Cant wait to see this again! Three times already!

[Kipobe]

Originally posted by Danny Elfman
No no, you're right Killa Pooh Bear : what we hear in the movie is Getting Through (again : it doesn't make any sense thematicly speaking) but I don't see why they didn't use this version instead or why didn't they at least use this new version of Alone for the scenes where they use the original one.

Get it ? :D I think I know what you mean... it kinda seems to be all over the place... cuts here and cuts there...

I'm sure to people who never paid that much attention to the music in the movie, (the general public), it must've worked, but to the fans, Raimi jipped us a little...

But then again, I've long said that Raimi/Sony are more interested in reaching the general public though...

[Kipobe]

Originally posted by seattlespidey
Yeah, seriously, the films now have a theme, the credits theme is the Spiderman theme now. I love it.

Cant wait to see this again! Three times already! Yeah, but it's not just the "theme"... it's the majority of the score... tracks that should be unique to just that film were reused...

Look at any trilogy... on the one side, you have the theme, on the other, you have the individual moments... if there was one scene that was a blatent example of overusage was when "Main Titles" played in the middle of the movie...

I was looking for more original music, especially in a scene like that! Something like "costume montage" from the first film... and was it just me, or was there no music that mirrored "city montage?" The opening of city montage is brilliant, and it's well reprised in the end of the score in "farewell"...

Didn't hear those little things that made that first score one of my favorites...

[Kipobe]

Instead of starting a whole 'nuther thread about this, lemme ask you guys a question... which one did you prefer, the Gobby theme, or the Ock theme?

Tough one for me personally, especially since I know the Goblin theme inside-out... but the Ock theme was brilliant... it had a sort of "sweet-n-sour" sound to it... specifically in the beginning, when you see Otto showing off the tenticles... it's like, he's on top of the world, but you know any second it's all gonna come crashing down...

[Danny Elfman]

Again, I agree with you Killa Pooh Bear.
For the "I'm Back-My back" scene I wonder why they didn't use the Farewell cue instead of the Main Titles; it feels more logical to me and maybe more appropriate. Perhaps the scene is not dramatic enough for that.
I think that the music when Parker rushes to attend his class was pretty cool and reminiscent of the "costume montage" style, with a nice little bass rhythm.
But the maybe the only brilliant use of a cue from the first film is when Parker drops his glasses and close his fist; the music is the heroic reprise of the theme in "Revenge". It works so well, i had the impression it has been composed for these new images.

As for the villains themes, I don't know....hard to compare those two. The Goblin theme is more melodic and has that vicious feeling I really like. Doc Ock themes are more percussive and powerful but the main problem is that, to me, the character is not really well developped by the screenplay. So it's hard for the theme to be memorable when the character himself is so weak (don't yell at me for this remark, there are other topics for that...:D).

I hope the score cd will satisfy our desire of new material, even if it's always the music IN the film that matters...

[Kipobe]

Well said, especially about where you mentioned Peter rushing for class... now that I think back, I remember that theme being a very original use of the Spidey theme...

As for Ock, I think that Ock was an interesting character... someone more misunderstood... again, that's where Elfman shines, and I loved the music associated with Ock...

[SLYspyda]

elfman did a great job on both movies with each villain's themes and our hero's theme.

'farewell' would've been horrible to use in the "i'm back" scene, it's too slow, if your talking about the ending of it then, the ending symbolizes success, and there was no success in him falling 10 stories. "main titles" worked perfect.

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by Dragon
For that matter the Superman films re-used the same music. The Indiana Jones films as well. It's the nature of a franchise. And I liked how it was used personally. I think Elfman's music complimented the movie nicely. The Superman movie was a Bad example. For one Williams didn't score S2 they buthered his music and used it in inappropriate places in the movie.
As for the Indy Trio not too good of an example either. The only theme reused was Indy's and in TLC the Ark theme.

I grew to like Elfman's Spidey score, but it did seem like it was somewhat rehashed in places. But I'll put the blame on Raimi. He just doiesn't really know how to use Elfman as good as Burton.

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by spideylover89
I liked Danny's score (or the little bit of it they used) for this film. Recycling music is not his decision and its not because he couldn't compose any new material. That's all sony and sam's decision, so to blame Elfman is unfair. I can't wait for his score to come out on cd because I really want to hear the entire thing. I also enjoyed the theme, some of the modifications were cool. I've really grown to love that opening theme and every time I hear those opening notes I get chills down my spine. Just hearing the music start gets me excited because I know I'm about to see the greatest film ever. The bits of Elfman's score that were included in the film were good and they fit the film really well. That's exactly what I'm saying. The Director and Producers are the ones who get the final say anyway. Raimi just doesn't use him as Good as Burton.

[Catman]

Originally posted by zanos
See even Raimi doesn't like Elfman's crappy scoring.

What a load of ********! If that were true then Raimi wouldn't have worked with him five times. Aside from Darkman and Spider-Man Elfman has composed Army of Darkness and A Simple Plan for Raimi. They are friends and have a good working relationship.

As for the discussion that Raimi doesn't use Elfman as good as Burton is somewhat debatable. To begin with Tim Burton doesn't really care about what Elfman does. He allows him to do whatever the hell he wants. Danny Elfman has 100% creative control on a Tim Burton film. Something he didn't have in Hulk and in a number of other films. As for Sam Raimi I think him and Elfman have a good working relationship. Elfman has done some good stuff with Raimi, but you can't compare Elfman-Raimi to Elfman-Burton because Tim Buron films are a lot darker then Raimi's stuff. Sure Raimi is a lot more violent then Burton, but he is no where near as dark as Burton. So obviously Elfman is going to compose his stuff differently between them. Oh, and about Darkman, yes of course it is Burton-esque. The only reason Darkman ever got made was because of Batman. Universal Pictures wanted to catch in on the Batman success and bought in to Raimi's screenplay. Of course Darkman was too violent and got an R-rating, so the kiddies couldn't go see it.

[Danny Elfman]

More clips are available :
http://www.sonymusicstore.com/store/catalog/MerchandiseDetails.jsp?merchId=72863&mname=CD

Yesterday, I started to calm down about the music in the film. I was telling myself "C'mon, it wasn't THAT bad". Well, now that I heard the "The Goblins Returns" clip, I'm all angry again ! :mad: :D
What the hell is wrong with this version of the goblin theme ?? It's far more scarier and insane that "The Specter of the Goblin", so why use that previous version instead !? The new orchestration feels much more appropriate since the scene shows Harry becoming completely crazy.
M. Raimi, I just don't understand your choices here...:confused:

[Kipobe]

I don't get it... are you complaining about the old score, or the new one?!? :confused:

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by Killa Pooh Bear
Instead of starting a whole 'nuther thread about this, lemme ask you guys a question... which one did you prefer, the Gobby theme, or the Ock theme?




The villain's themes are the highlight of his work IMO.

I like them both equally, in different ways.

[Kipobe]

I go back and forth... I loved hearing Ock for the first time, but there was something about hearing that Gobby theme in the theater that gave me chills...

[Kipobe]

Hey Elfman, do you have anything that shows the times of the tracks for the score? I was searching without finding anything...

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by Killa Pooh Bear
I go back and forth... I loved hearing Ock for the first time, but there was something about hearing that Gobby theme in the theater that gave me chills...

The gobby theme is more haunting (as it should be) and its more familiar to me. I started gettin da chills when I heard it in the sequel (first right after Harry unmasks PP. )

But I really like the ock theme too ; the main theme more so than the herky jerky part.

[Kipobe]

I'm very interested to see who most people would've liked to have score the films... I personally like Elfman's style, in alot of areas, not just his Superhero work... I loved his "Good Will Hunting" score... very underrated imo... he just has the ability to capture the character....

I wanna see him do something special with "Harry" in part 3... his speciality is slighlty demented characters... although I think his greatest work on any specific character had to be Catwoman... people may argue that, but that was brilliant work!! Wonder what he'll do with the soon to be "ultra-quirky" "Burton-infected" Willy Wonka... can't wait for that either... even if I don't see the movie! :D

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by Killa Pooh Bear
I'm very interested to see who most people would've liked to have score the films... I


I still would have preferred John Williams do it if only because it would have insured a BIG memorable Spidey theme ala Superman, Raiders and Star Wars.

It took a while for Elfman's main Spidey theme to grow on me.

[Kipobe]

Yeah, I agree... for that purpose only... (not saying I woulda preferred, just saying that the theme would be well known...)

I really didn't think Raimi would go after Elfman, but I'm glad he did... I figured he'd try and track down a Howard Shore type or someone like that... and Shore is definately another of my favorites, but I fear his sound would appear too "big budget"... something alot of those other movies could get away with because of the time of their release...

[Danny Elfman]

Killa Pooh Bear, the times of the tracks are usually available pretty late. In fact, if the official site doesn't provide them, it means we'll have to wait until we get the cd. But who knows...
Anyway, I think this will be a 45 minutes cd, like the first one. Scenes in the film aren't very long (except the Train sequence), so I guess most of the tracks' times will be between 2 or 3 minutes.

Let me rephrase about the Goblin theme : I suppose Raimi's instructions to Elfman were "stay close to Dafoe's mirror scene music from the first one". That's what we hear in the clip : same rhythm, same atmosphere. But, Elfman also adds pretty nervous and strident strings that expose Harry's falling into madness. It fits perfectly and never distract from the main goal : bring back the goblin theme so the audience can feel the menace growing again.
So what I don't understand is why ask a composer to write a new orchestration such as this one if you decide finally to reuse the original version (from Dafoe's mirror scene) ? It's not that it doesn't work but don't engage an artist (who's a friend in this case) to make a job that any music editor could do...

[The Green Goblin]

What was that one big hemmarroid note he stuck in the Main Title, right when the web-graphic shoots out. (sounded like a space ship taking off) :confused:

I liked it better before.

[Kipobe]

Originally posted by Danny Elfman
Killa Pooh Bear, the times of the tracks are usually available pretty late. In fact, if the official site doesn't provide them, it means we'll have to wait until we get the cd. But who knows...
Anyway, I think this will be a 45 minutes cd, like the first one. Scenes in the film aren't very long (except the Train sequence), so I guess most of the tracks' times will be between 2 or 3 minutes.

Let me rephrase about the Goblin theme : I suppose Raimi's instructions to Elfman were "stay close to Dafoe's mirror scene music from the first one". That's what we hear in the clip : same rhythm, same atmosphere. But, Elfman also adds pretty nervous and strident strings that expose Harry's falling into madness. It fits perfectly and never distract from the main goal : bring back the goblin theme so the audience can feel the menace growing again.
So what I don't understand is why ask a composer to write a new orchestration such as this one if you decide finally to reuse the original version (from Dafoe's mirror scene) ? It's not that it doesn't work but don't engage an artist (who's a friend in this case) to make a job that any music editor could do... So wait... that's the one he went with? I missed that... some of the new stuff sounded really well put together, even in the film... didn't think it was all the same...

Yeah, I can understand the frustration...

[Kipobe]

Originally posted by War Eagle
What was that one big hemmarroid note he stuck in the Main Title, right when the web-graphic shoots out. (sounded like a space ship taking off) :confused:

I liked it better before. Heh, yeah... the new beginning threw me off a little, but it settled down...

I really do like the Main Title theme... it swings from one theme to another very well, especially when it weaves in and out of the Spidey/Parker and Goblin themes...

[Spider2004]

I love the new goblin theme,it's much more creepy then in
the first.I think this suit's harry perfectly.It's not alot diffrent then in the first but this one definatly gave me goosebump's in the theater!:gg: The rest of the score is ok but it is like listening to the original score for the first film.

[Danny Elfman]

Oh completely off-topic but Killa Pooh Bear, I love your signature; one of the funniest scenes in Friends' history...:p

[ScottishFogg]

dude, i was checking out the score that's to be released and i just saw the movie again today and i don't know what you're talking about! yes, there's similar cues and familiar themes, but none of this is recycled, as far as i can tell!

[ScottishFogg]

Originally posted by Killa Pooh Bear
I figured he'd try and track down a Howard Shore type or someone like that... and Shore is definately another of my favorites, but I fear his sound would appear too "big budget"...

what's really funny is that Howard Shore was almost an unknown just three years ago, before LOTR. he was around, but only known really by die-hard movie score fans, having done stuff like "Dogma," "That Thing You Do!" and a handful of others. i remember being really surprised that he was doing LOTR, not someone like James Horner, John Williams, or Hans Zimmer.

[ASL]

Originally posted by Catman
What the hell happened here? Danny Elfman only composed two or three new scores. Everything else was recycled! Kind of disappointing. Considering the amazing job he did in Batman Returns.


Yah, you know all those Star Wars recycled music that has worked for three movies, part of a few prequels.....

Damn recycled music.

[Kipobe]

Originally posted by Danny Elfman
Oh completely off-topic but Killa Pooh Bear, I love your signature; one of the funniest scenes in Friends' history...:p Jesus... a "Friends" and an Elfman fan? Throw in the Lakers and I'd figure you're me? :eek:

Funny thing is, I was gonna make the name "Danny Elfman" a while back... wonder what you'd be if I did! :D

[Kipobe]

Originally posted by ScottishFogg
what's really funny is that Howard Shore was almost an unknown just three years ago, before LOTR. he was around, but only known really by die-hard movie score fans, having done stuff like "Dogma," "That Thing You Do!" and a handful of others. i remember being really surprised that he was doing LOTR, not someone like James Horner, John Williams, or Hans Zimmer. That's why I'd figure he'd track him down... I never thought Raimi would go after John Williams or Horner. I love Horner's work on The Mask of Zorro especially, but most of his stuff I can take or leave... not one of my favs...

John Williams makes great themes, but there's again, I don't think his style would suit a Raimi film... they don't go hand in hand imo....

[Spinned]

I like Elfman a lot. "Mars Attacks!" had a great, goofy (on purpose) soundtrack. He's written some great soundtracks. I understand where fans are coming from with this whole "recycled music" business. However, the fact that he used the same introduction music was, IMO, pretty cool. I compared it to Star Wars. Of course, I don't think the S-M soundtrack compares favorably to Star Wars, but it's still pretty good.

[ASL]

Damn Superman, Indiana Jones....and their recycled music.

[Liquid Snake]

Personally I prefer song from jet over anything Elfman did in this film. The song fit perfectly with the scenes

[Rurouni-KJS]

Recycling themes is one thing. It's something I welcome. But recycling whole musical tracks? That's intolerable. I hated when Lucas did it in Episode II...

But Elfman's SM1 score was weak to begin with, especially compared to his work on Batman or any number of his scores from the late 1980s through the mid 1990s. It's been 15 years and the Batman main theme is still completely memorable and hummable. That was some great work. The Spider-Man theme, as much as I've grown to like it, isn't anywhere close to that class.

My pet theory is that Raimi heard the new score, thought it was poor, and went with retracking old music. But I honestly can't imagine Elfman's SM2 music could be appreciably worse than the last film's.

[Catman]

Originally posted by Rurouni-KJS
My pet theory is that Raimi heard the new score, thought it was poor, and went with retracking old music.

Sounds logical. However, Sony is still releasing the original soundtrack, so people could actually start *****ing at Raimi.

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by ASL
Damn Superman, Indiana Jones....and their recycled music. I'll take it that you're being sarcastic, seeing that both those examples are really bad ones.

[Catman]

Spider-Man 3 will be released in about a month with a new composer. So, any new thoughts on Spidey 2's music?

[Joker]

Spider-Man 3 will be released in about a month with a new composer.

No, it wont. Elfman came back.

So, any new thoughts on Spidey 2's music?

Yep. It rocks.

[Catman]

No, it wont. Elfman came back.

He didn't. They basically brought back his orchestrator, Steve Bartek, to handle the returning Elfman themes.

[mclay18]

Looking at Spider-Man 2.1, the extended train fight takes recycled music to a new low. The music editing in that scene is just sloppy and doesn't really fit with the new stuff, just Young's score being extended, lowered in volume, and just repeated to poor effect. I wish Sony had Young rescore the train scene and not just play around with the bit he did for the theatrical version, or at least used part of Elfman's unused score for the extensions. It wouldn't have taken Young long to rescore it, considering the additions are only a few seconds long -- he probably would've have to shift some stuff around and add a bit here and there.

[Catman]

I know! Thats what I disliked about the extended train fight. Oh well, they just made the DVD to make more money.

[Doctor Octopus]

I really enjoyed Elfman's score in Spider-Man 2. I'm sorry he's not back for the third movie.

[Joker]

After seeing SM-3, I can say Elfman's score is much better than Young's, IMO.

[Spider-Girl™]

After seeing SM-3, I can say Elfman's score is much better than Young's, IMO.

Agreed.

[Catman]

After seeing SM-3, I can say Elfman's score is much better than Young's, IMO.

I knew that before I even saw the movie. lol. Young is a good composer but Elfman is just better.

[Joker]

Young's score sucked!

[Cyrusbales]

What the hell happened here? Danny Elfman only composed two or three new scores. Everything else was recycled! Kind of disappointing. Considering the amazing job he did in Batman Returns.


Well perhaps he just felt it wasn't worth it? He knew the film wouldn't be as good as Batman Returns, so just didn't bother? He didn't need to, he's pretty loaded as it is...

[*ANTHONY*]

I knew that before I even saw the movie. lol. Young is a good composer but Elfman is just better.
I am not going to listen to someone who's avatar is.... you know.

I really liked the symbiote theme and sandman and venom's. It was the same theme mostly just extended.

[Joker]

I am not going to listen to someone who's avatar is.... you know.

So you judge people by appearance. Or a book by it's cover.