Favorite Ghost Rider?

[FlameHead]

So... this goes out to all those FlameHead (The originals, not me) fans out there. As you all know, there has been several incarnation of this character and it's your job now to vote which was the best. You're choices are
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1) The Ghost Rider
This is the original Ghost Rider but he has no connection to the later incarnations and is a western character.

2) Johnny Blaze
The man to start the craze. Johnny fought hard with the demon that possessed him winning out in the end...

3) Dan Ketch
Dan came along in the early 90's which breed some really nice life into this timeless character

4) Vengence
For a short time while the 2nd coming of Ghost Rider was thought to be dead this character, created by the hate he had for the Flamed Rider, took over Ghost Rider's part inflicting vengence on those who deserved it.

5) Ghost Rider 2099
From the 2099-verse, this mostly mechanical being ruled.

So now... the choice is up to you! And don't just say the name and be gone; let us know your thoughts. Tell us when you like this particular character most.

[TheCorpulent1]

I liked Ghost Rider 2099 a lot. I think I'm probably the only one. :o

[DBM]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
I liked Ghost Rider 2099 a lot. I think I'm probably the only one. :o

Nope. I liked him too. I love the 2099 line.

Also you left out the Ghost Rider/Spirit of Vengenance who was a member of the Galactic Guardians.

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And before anyone asks, I don't remember anything about him so you'd have to look it up on your own.

[Johnny Blaze]

You're not. I liked the 2099 GR as well. He was my second fav 2099 character after Spidey.

Still though, I gotta go with the original. The one true Ghost Rider, Johnny Blaze. :D :ghost:

[TheCorpulent1]

Originally posted by DBM
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I have that issue! I liked the Guardians of the Galaxy series a lot. Kind of like Marvel's version of the Legion, only less huge and imposing.

Glad I wasn't the only one who liked GR 2099.

I like Blaze a lot, but I didn't really like him as the Ghost Rider. And I like Noble Kale a lot, but I didn't really like Dan Ketch. If Blaze and Kale got bonded or formed a new Midnight Sons, I'd be in Ghost Rider heaven. :)

[TheLizard]

Which one was in the New F4? The team with Spiderman, Hulk, Wolveine, and Ghost Rider.

[TheCorpulent1]

The Dan Ketch/Noble Kale one.

[jayr727]

Dan Ketch was the Ghost Rider I was mostly exposed to. So I voted for him. I should try and get some old Ghost Rider comics aka Johnny Blaze era. Any recommendations?

[Tropico]

I would have to agree with the previous post. Dan Ketch/GR is the one I started with. I never liked Blaze and what little I saw of Blaze/GR seemed inclined to evil; it didn't appeal to me. Ketch/GR seemed more versatile also. I never saw the version from the later mini-series, though.

GR 2099 started cool, didn't follow later. But the concept was really interesting it was different that he was a creature of science instead of sorcery.

[FlameHead]

If anyone is wondering, Ketch is my favorite of them all as well. I think the character is much better let alone the fact that the story and artwork was much better in the second comming. Of course, he was the first one I found so, like everyone else, I like him because of that mainly.

Originally posted by DBM
Also you left out the Ghost Rider/Spirit of Vengenance who was a member of the Galactic Guardians.


Damn... you mean, there's a GR that I don't know about? That's impossible. Are we possitive that it's not either GR 1 or 2?

[DBM]

Originally posted by FlameHead
Damn... you mean, there's a GR that I don't know about? That's impossible. Are we possitive that it's not either GR 1 or 2?

He's an alien from another planet so I'm sure he's not Ketch or Blaze. I don't remember how he got his powers though.

[TheCorpulent1]

You mean there's a whole planet full of flaming-skulled aliens?? :eek:

[DBM]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
You mean there's a whole planet full of flaming-skulled aliens?? :eek:

No. Somehow he got the Spirit of Vengenance and was given Ghost Rider Like Powers.

Damnit. Now I'm going to have to look it up because I'm wondering about it.

[TheCorpulent1]

There is no actual Spirit of Vengeance, though. Blaze had Zarathos and turned him into a spirit of vengeance by exercising his will over Zarathos' evil. Ketch had Noble Kale, who was just basically a knight doing knightly things in a modern setting. Or am I totally wrong? :confused:

[DBM]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
There is no actual Spirit of Vengeance, though. Blaze had Zarathos and turned him into a spirit of vengeance by exercising his will over Zarathos' evil. Ketch had Noble Kale, who was just basically a knight doing knightly things in a modern setting. Or am I totally wrong? :confused:

I don't know if you are wrong or not. I don't know a lot about Ghost Rider.

Here is (literally) all I can find online about the GoG Spirit of Vengenance.

Autolycus/Spirit Of Vengeance
Real Name: Wileaydus Autolycus
Occupation: Freedom fighter, adventurer, former priest
Other Aliases: Spirit Of Vengeance
Place Of Birth: Sarka ("alien" planet, circa 3015 A.D)
Marital Status: Single
Known Relatives: Johnny Blaze (presumed ancestor, aka Ghost Rider IV)
Group Affiliation: Galatic Guardians
Source Of Powers: Unrevealed
Powers: Superhuman strength, immeasurable stamina, godlike durability, enhanced speed and reflexes also the ability to project "soulfire" or "hellfire" for a variety of effects like burst of flame painful to victims througt physical stimulation
First Appearance (as Autolycus): Guardians Of The Galaxy #12
First Appearance (as Spirit Of Vengeance): Guardians Of The Galaxy #13
List Of Appearances;
Guardians Of The Galaxy #12 (mistakenly thought Guardians Of The Galaxy were Black Knights of the Universal Church of Truth)
Guardians Of The Galaxy #13-14 (fought Guardians Of The Galaxy, realized his error, aided hen aganist Universal Church of Truth, killed Grand Inquisitor II)
Guardians Of The Galaxy Annual 1 (helped form Galatic Guardians, fought Korvac)
Guardians Of The Galaxy #35 (with Galatic Guardians fought Bubonicus), 36-37 (with Galatic Guardians, Krugarr and Ancient One II fought Dormammu)

Source (http://www.comicboards.com/marvelguide/guardians.html)

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[Johnny Blaze]

Wow, he sounds pretty bad ass.

[FlameHead]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
There is no actual Spirit of Vengeance, though. Blaze had Zarathos and turned him into a spirit of vengeance by exercising his will over Zarathos' evil. Ketch had Noble Kale, who was just basically a knight doing knightly things in a modern setting. Or am I totally wrong? :confused:

No man, you are totally right!:cool:

Thanks for that info DBM. Much appreciated... kinda sucks though. That means there are now even more comics I have to add to my ever expanding list of must gets. Damn.

[FlameHead]

Time for a bumpity bump

[FlameHead]

Can somebody please put this in the Ghost Rider section?

Anyone who hasn't picked their choice, feel free too...

[3dman27]

#1the western [and REAL] ghost rider

[Elijya]

I liked the 90's ghost rider but only when Tex was still in the book, the first 25 issues

[CaptainStacy]

Tough choice for me. I grew up with the Blaze version, but the Ketch version represents a particularly great time in my life....

I.....guess i'll go ahead and give my vote to Ketch, although the Blaze version, towards the end of his run, (say the last two years or so) was incredibley violent and ruthless, which made for some really cool scenarios. (remember when he kicked the Avengers' asses? Thor and Iron Man included?)...

However, the Ketch version had the advantage of being part of the Midnight Sons, a cool ensemble that icluded Blade and Morbius, so yeah, that's the version i'm most nostalgic for.

I VAGUELY remember the Guardians version...apparently he wasn't an alien, per se, but a true descendent of John Blaze who just happened to be born off planet, right?

[FlameHead]

Maybe it was missed or you mod people aren't on the ball (ha, ha) but I really would love this to be moved to the Ghost Rider forum. There is a pretty tight knit group of people there and I think they'd like this thread. They may be missing it. Please, I beg of you, move this thread.

[FlameHead]

A pm works wonders when you ask politly. Thanks C. Lee!

Now answer the question foos!

[C. Lee]

Since I started reading comics in the 60's...I remember reading the western first, but as you say it doesn't tie in with this.

The only other version I read was the Johnny Blaze stories...so he gets my vote.

[3dman27]

Since I started reading comics in the 60's...I remember reading the western first, but as you say it doesn't tie in with this.

The only other version I read was the Johnny Blaze stories...so he gets my vote.
the western gr was put into this poll so i'd say he does

[The Flash]

I actually started reading a few issues of Ghost Rider a short time before Dan Ketch's first appearance. But I'm more exposed to Ketch than I am any other GR. I didn't read that much of the others because I was focused on Danny Ketch more.

So my vote is for Danny. :ghost:

[Hunter Rider]

I had to vote Dan b/c he's the only 0ne ive read

[C. Lee]

the western gr was put into this poll so i'd say he does
But...since the subheading to the poll was "which flame head is the best"...and the western character wasn't a flame head, he just had the same name...I personaly couldn't vote for him.

[The Flash]

But...since the subheading to the poll was "which flame head is the best"...and the western character wasn't a flame head, he just had the same name...I personaly couldn't vote for him.
I was thinking the same thing too. But the thread title is named ''Favorite Ghost Rider''. So that means you can choose whatever GR you feel like C. :)

[mongoro]

I feel Blaze is the one and only true Ghost Rider best over all. Comicbook heros should not in my opinion should not change to a different one. I mean is there another Spiderman, Superman or Batman aside the originals? Comicbook heroes should only be one not 2 or 3 lol :ghost: If they need to upgrade them with other powers thats cool but only the original or that best one Blaze.

[FlameHead]

But...since the subheading to the poll was "which flame head is the best"...and the western character wasn't a flame head, he just had the same name...I personaly couldn't vote for him.

My deepest apoligies for not taking into account that everything needs to be literally speaking. To clarify, I'm referring to all Ghost Rider's as Flamehead, be them with or without a head of fire.

[The Kryptonian]

Mine is definately Dan 'The Man' Ketch! He was the first I read. He and Johnny Blaze are probably the best. I started reading Ghost Rider in '94, but I've kinda slacked off a little. Last I read of him was in '01. I've gotta get back to reading his comics again. Shame on me for stopping in the first place. :o

[3dman27]

what's the skinny on the western ghost rider aka the night rider?

[FlameHead]

The skinny? Well I do know that he's not as skinny as the future Ghost Riders. Ha.

I do have one comic of his and what I can tell is that he has a cape or suit or something that renders him invisable. He's white like a Ghost too. Other than that, I have no idea about him besides the fact that he has nothing to do with the future versions of him.

[lespaul59]

I've been a Johnny Blaze fan as long as I can remember I started with my dad's Gohst Riders in the '80s and then I really liked the '90s GR but when Blaze came back that was all it took to get me to think that GR 2 was not that good. I loved seeing the Blaze GR Marvel Legends fig, man I scared a woman just grabing the thing up. JBFL(J. Blaze for Life)

[GammaMike]

I vote Ketch, he was the Ghost rider I discovered, I remember the first comic i read had a sick foil cover of The Ketck to GR transformation. In that issue Blackout cut Ketch's throat and he was stuck as GR for a while. pretty sick stuff.

[FlameHead]

Yeah, that was a great storyline. Ghost Rider couldn't change back to Dan because if he did, Dan would die. They had to find a way to save Dan before doing so. It made for some great Dan in other Dimension storylines... and brought Dr. Strange onto the scene. Yeah baby.

[Creature SH]

I mean is there another Spiderman, Superman or Batman aside the originals?

Ben Reilly / Several (Death and Return...) / Jean-Paul Valley.

[FlameHead]

Huh?

[Riding Ghost]

I feel Blaze is the one and only true Ghost Rider best over all. Comicbook heros should not in my opinion should not change to a different one. I mean is there another Spiderman, Superman or Batman aside the originals? Comicbook heroes should only be one not 2 or 3 lol :ghost: If they need to upgrade them with other powers thats cool but only the original or that best one Blaze.


I second ALL of that.
And if the other characters you mentioned were changed....they shouldn't have :)

[Nero_Ordin]

johnny blaze because i never like danny ketch.

[FlameHead]

That's a good enough reason as any...

[T1000416]

I prefer the Danny Ketch stories...because...*sigh* I Haven't read too many of the Blaze stories. I would probably enjoy them more.

I can't find any of those 2099 issues. And I know it will be the same with the Western ones.

[3dman27]

you might at that

[FlameHead]

The western ones are probably pretty hard to find. I lucked out in finding one a couple of years ago. Issue 2. I hope to find the others someday, though they aren't a to priority for me.

GR 2099 however, that's a different story...

[Zrthsgr]

I'm so glad they're doing JB for the movie. This is going to be the best

[FlameHead]

Indeed it is.

Looks like Blaze is takin' off in the Poll. 15 ahead of Dan right now.

[YJ1]

I.....guess i'll go ahead and give my vote to Ketch, although the Blaze version, towards the end of his run, (say the last two years or so) was incredibley violent and ruthless, which made for some really cool scenarios. (remember when he kicked the Avengers' asses? Thor and Iron Man included?)...

http://www.allsf.net/Images/SFbd/US/Avengers%20214.jpg

That's the Ghost Rider I identify with because if he didn't cross over with other Marvel characters I never noticed him. I remember reading old "Champions" issues growing up. Hercules, Black Widow, Iceman, Angel and Ghost Rider made a very cool team. I do believe that link is why Angel showed up in that Avengers issue as well.

Even though I know little about Ghost Rider, I'm really quite excited about this movie.

[FlameHead]

Imagine how excited us Ghost Rider maniacs are...

I recently picked up the first issue of Champions. I only have 3 issues now and haven't read any of them yet. I'm excited to do so though... and may read iss 1 when I get home, now that you've put it in my mind.

[Warrior]

I liked the Johnny Blaze version because he is the one I always picture when I think of Ghostrider and he really was the one to make Gostrider really popular.

[FlameHead]

Well, he was the one who indroduced the character to the world... and perhaps popularized him with the people of that era but he wasn't the only thing to make the character popular. The 90's version introduced a whole new generation of readers to the beauty of this character... maybe even more readers than the original.

[FlameHead]

Bump. Why you ask? Well because there are more people around the GR section these days.

[FlameHead]

Another Bump. It's been a couple months and it's just as well to keep ones like this close to the top.

[Vartha]

Before the Blaze GR came out, I loved The Ghost Rider (at the time was called the Night Rider) it was being reprinted as the Night Rider and for some reason switched his name back in the 80's (I think).

I loved the Blaze and Ketch Ghost Riders equally, I just wished the had both Blaze and Ketch as Ghost Riders at the same time, I don't recall that ever happening, just the two hanging out together.

[MarvelMovies]

Johnny Blaze.

then...

Dan Ketch

[White_Howling]

Dan Ketch made me start collectiong Ghost rider so my votes for him..

who was the ghost rider in the last marvel knights? im too lazy to check

[FlameHead]

It was Johnny... and that series was crap.

I've just started readin' my Dan Ketch run. Just on the Spider-Man 6, 7 crossover before issue 13 in the comic. Mcfarlane did a good Ghost Rider.

[FlameHead]

Goin' through and bumpin' some poll threads... just cuz there are new folks around and hopefully will be more soon.

[Uncanny Orb]

I grew up reading the JB Ghost Rider, and later the Ketch version. I have every comic aswell as appearance of both, I've always thought Blaze's story was more tragic and the Ghost Rider more interesting. I really never liked Dan Ketch he just seemed like such a b*tch all the time although I did like the SOV in the book.

[FlameHead]

Yeah, I was a huge fan of the SOV as well. I really like the two as a team.

[thakey]

who do yall think the best gr was blaze or ketch? i like ketch his sov was deep yet still sinister. and i feel the story had a lil more meat to it.
i feel they shoulda made the movie about ketch and have johnny blaze as the mysterious previous host just like the comic(90s).the fact they are blending the 2 grs doesnt sit right for me. i wish they would just pick one or the other.i would rather have everything as it was with blaze out the 70s series then them mixing them together.
oppinions please?

[Uncanny Orb]

i like ketch his sov was deep yet still sinister.
I don't think he was sinister or particilarly deep for that matter.

the fact they are blending the 2 grs doesnt sit right for me. i wish they would just pick one or the other.i would rather have everything as it was with blaze out the 70s series then them mixing them together.
It's going to make for a way better movie that of they just used one or the other, Blaze as a person is way more exciting, a stuntman who can ride a bike aswell as Ghost Rider. Dan Ketch, whiney ****** who delivers pizza or what ever. The Ketch Ghost Rider is way more visually exciting with the chain and spikes, yet the Blaze Ghost Rider is personality wise better for the movie.
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[thakey]

i can agree it just doesnt seem right tho maybe im just a purist

[str8raz0r]

i can agree it just doesnt seem right tho maybe im just a purist

Well, to be brutally honest, do you really want to see GR in the year 2007 still rocking that blue disco-shirt? It made sense for the character of Johnny Blaze, but it seems kinda hokey by today's standards. That seems to be the only real element they're changing is his costume, as it's still Blaze personality-wise. However, the giant collar...whoo-wee!

It's be like if they had Tyrese rockin' the buccaneer boots for the Luke Cage movie.

[thakey]

Well, to be brutally honest, do you really want to see GR in the year 2007 still rocking that blue disco-shirt? It made sense for the character of Johnny Blaze, but it seems kinda hokey by today's standards. That seems to be the only real element they're changing is his costume, as it's still Blaze personality-wise. However, the giant collar...whoo-wee!

It's be like if they had Tyrese rockin' the buccaneer boots for the Luke Cage movie.

rofllmao!!! i guess i see ur point.but another element is the fact that the main villian is blackheart and if i recall correctly(could be wrong)he wasnt introduced til after ketch as well as the penance stare etc. but its cool i guess thier just modernizing it. i cant wait for the new book and movie.

[kookevin3]

who do yall think the best gr was blaze or ketch? i like ketch his sov was deep yet still sinister. and i feel the story had a lil more meat to it.
i feel they shoulda made the movie about ketch and have johnny blaze as the mysterious previous host just like the comic(90s).the fact they are blending the 2 grs doesnt sit right for me. i wish they would just pick one or the other.i would rather have everything as it was with blaze out the 70s series then them mixing them together.
oppinions please?

i agree with you, ketch is much cooler but i would want blaze in the first move and ketch in the second

[Riding Ghost]

Well, to be brutally honest, do you really want to see GR in the year 2007 still rocking that blue disco-shirt?

I really don't think the old design was that bad :O It wasn't a shirt:rolleyes: , it was part of a leather outfit that was flashy because it was designed as his stage gear for performances. I loved the way they used to have a reason for every little thing they did back in the day, made it seem more real. They thought he looked cool in that getup so they created a reason, instead of just presenting him like that. Now they just do what they want with no good reasons a lot of the time. Like having a flaming skeleton ride a motorcycle...just because or being an expert rider...just because. :D <Back on topic>. I still wish they had at least incorporated the Blaze detailing on the movie jacket. But thats just MO.

That seems to be the only real element they're changing is his costume, as it's still Blaze personality-wise.

There is one other real element they changed, and thats using ketches penance stare instead of blazes soul searing hellfire. I disagree with that move, but am happy with most else I've seen so far about the movie. This subject has already been debated to death....but I just think it was a pretty profound change, as is the bike with fire wheels instead of pure hellfire.

[str8raz0r]

I really don't think the old design was that bad :O It wasn't a shirt:rolleyes: , it was part of a leather outfit that was flashy because it was designed as his stage gear for performances. I loved the way they used to have a reason for every little thing they did back in the day, made it seem more real. They thought he looked cool in that getup so they created a reason, instead of just presenting him like that. Now they just do what they want with no good reasons a lot of the time. Like having a flaming skeleton ride a motorcycle...just because or being an expert rider...just because. :D <Back on topic>. I still wish they had at least incorporated the Blaze detailing on the movie jacket. But thats just MO.

Oh, I am not denying that the Blaze jacket/shirt (I'm also saying shirt because Blase was wearing it under a trenchcoat in the Ketch run, but who's keeping track) was a great look...it's just that I suppose that ultimately they're trying to make this movie a money-maker, and the very flashy stylings would seem out of place in such a dark movie. I personally hope (and somehow imagine MSJ would incorporate) at least a scene where Blaze is wearing his blue suit, just as a wink at the fans.


There is one other real element they changed, and thats using ketches penance stare instead of blazes soul searing hellfire. I disagree with that move, but am happy with most else I've seen so far about the movie. This subject has already been debated to death....but I just think it was a pretty profound change, as is the bike with fire wheels instead of pure hellfire.

Hey, who says he won't throw some hellfire around? I'll take both!

[BIGGUN]

I personally hope (and somehow imagine MSJ would incorporate) at least a scene where Blaze is wearing his blue suit, just as a wink at the fans.

Hey, who says he won't throw some hellfire around? I'll take both!

Im hoping that maybe in the early flashback scene w/ a young Blaze he might be wearing something similar to the old 70's leather jumpsuit. it would be set in the 80s so it wouldnt seem too much out of place. sounds like another question for Mark to answer :)

as far as throwing Hellfire i believe MSJ has confirmed that GR will not only shoot Hellfire from the shotgun but actually throw it as well. maybe GR figures using the shotgun is a better means of delivering his Hellfire rather than throwing it by hand.

[NDX]

I personally hope that Blaze is not wearing the jumper in the movie (well, maybe a flashback scene with it wouldn't be a bad thing afterall), but rather the shirt he wore in volume 2 which had that same stripe going across the chest, at least at one point in the movie.

Would make me feel good to see that.

I believe Biggun is right that MSJ said Ghostie will be using both the shotgun and shoot fire from his hands. I don't know why he's doing both, but this might mean to throw hellfire Ghostie will need to remove his gloves to do so. Which could come off looking real impressive on screen.

[Riding Ghost]

Im hoping that maybe in the early flashback scene w/ a young Blaze he might be wearing something similar to the old 70's leather jumpsuit. it would be set in the 80s so it wouldnt seem too much out of place. sounds like another question for Mark to answer :)

That would be cool :up:

maybe GR figures using the shotgun is a better means of delivering his Hellfire rather than throwing it by hand.

Of course if thats the only difference, Is it possible souls will still be burnt by the fire, or will it just be a physical type fire thing?

[Riding Ghost]

I believe Biggun is right that MSJ said Ghostie will be using both the shotgun and shoot fire from his hands. I don't know why he's doing both, but this might mean to throw hellfire Ghostie will need to remove his gloves to do so. Which could come off looking real impressive on screen.

Actually, I believe Biggun was refering to GR throwing fireballs/fire, which is a little different than shooting fire from his hands. It may end up looking similar, but technically 2 different things :D

[Uncanny Orb]

Maybe they will put Eva in his old leather suit for a scene, that would be hawt!:up:

[Riding Ghost]

:eek:

[str8raz0r]

Maybe they will put Eva in his old leather suit for a scene, that would be hawt!:up:

Well, I'm off to change my pants now.

[NDX]

Actually, I believe Biggun was refering to GR throwing fireballs/fire, which is a little different than shooting fire from his hands. It may end up looking similar, but technically 2 different things :D

If I'm wrong, I blame not sleeping for 3 days. :D

[FlameHead]

There's a lot of stuff I'd like to touch on w/ this thread. A lot has been brought up (though, I believe most of it has been chatted about before... which is bound to happen to some of us who have been chattin' about GR here for years) dealin' the the ever popular debate of Blaze vs Ketch.

Everyone here knows that I'm a fan of Dan, far more than Blaze... though I do love his 90's revival a whole lot. My reasons for liking Dan are not that deep really. It's not about a better story or a better character I believe; it's just what I discovered first. In addition, what I love most about Ghost Rider (which is the history of Ghost Riders) was developed in the 90's series. Of course, that has nothing to do with Dan really...

Some are against the joining of characters for the flick. I'm not. I personally believe it's the only way that it could have been done. The look of Ghost Rider from the 90's put into the story of the 70's. Great stuff. Mix up the baddies, take out Zarathos (hopefully) and we got a great thing happening.

Speakin' of the 90's look. I, like BG, hope they have a jumpsuit shot of some sort throughout. Paying homage to it would be easily done and quite a nice thing to do for the fans.

As for hellfire blasts. I DO NOT want to see that happen. Repeat; DO NOT. Nothing looks as bad (IMO) as bursts of energy, wind, snow, fire from hands. I really hate it. With Ghost Rider, it would probably look a little better considering his hands and body are already on fire but... I'm still not sure it would be convincing.

Fireballs on the other hand. Now that's the ****. He generates the ball in his hand and flings it. Much better looking and much cooler... I think.

All in all, I'm very happy to see some elements of Dans arc in the movie. There was a lengthy time that I thought nothing would be taken from the 90's. That, to me, would have been a crime.


By the way, there is a really good Spirit of Vengeance vs Zarathos thread here if you're interested: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195287

Similar topic... yet different.

[Riding Ghost]

take out Zarathos (hopefully)

Those words are SACRILEGE :mad:
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[FlameHead]

The problem I have with Zarathos (in the movie. I have other problems with him in the comic world) is that it adds an entirely different plotline to the flick that is just not needed. To develop the Zarathos story would be too much. Keep it simple, keep it Ghost Rider, not another demon.

[thakey]

^^^^i agree flamehead it would take 2 movies just to explain john blaze deal with mephisto(or whoever they use), john blaze as the ghost rider, then gr actually being zarathos and tryin to explain who and why zarathos is. sorry if it doesnt make sense im sleepy and holdin my 6 month old baby

[Toxin66]

but the Zarathos/ Mr Hyde persona would have been kindof interesting to see...maybe for the sequel he could battle his inner demon.

[FlameHead]

It's going to be a battle with his inner demon regardless or who or what the inner demon actually is.

[Riding Ghost]

The origin of Ghost Rider as Zarathos is more confusing and harder to explain than trying to explain that a flaming skeleton is NOT a demon :confused:

Or Zarathos (simply a demon by name) is more confusing than Noble Kale, Medallion and blood and all that :confused: :confused:
You must be joking :joker:

My reasons for liking Dan are not that deep really. It's not about a better story or a better character I believe; it's just what I discovered first. In addition, what I love most about Ghost Rider (which is the history of Ghost Riders) was developed in the 90's series. Of course, that has nothing to do with Dan really...

Don't forget, you also prefer, as you put it, "the honor in vengeance" of the 90's version. Which I believe is part of the reason you don't like Zarathos, since he is evil and anything honorable about him comes from Blaze. To me there is something downright cheesy about a flaming skeleton having attributes of a chivalrous knight attributed to him personally, but maybe thats just me. Of course the main reason is the reason you stated, which is its the first you saw. Which is not a good basis for choosing what(of anything on any issue) is truly the best. Though it is understandable.

And just as importantly......300 posts WOOHOOO......um sorry, got caught up in the moment :O

[FlameHead]

Maybe I should have phased that better; The reason why I came to love all the things I love about Ghost Rider came from Dan Ketch's run, which happens to be the first I fell for. I knew heck of a lot about Dan and his life before I really know who Blaze was. Familiarity breeds obsession.

It's sorta like my love of the LA Kings. I started liking them because of Wayne Gretzky going there but stuck with them after he was traded... and still am to this day a Kings fan.

As for the Medallion and Blood and all that; it's not needed. What I want, more than just having an evil demon possession Blaze, is the demon inside be part of a legacy eons old. Not just a trick pulled by the devil but part of a trick that's has been being played forever.

Zarathos can be bested and, has been. The Spirit of Vengeance is forever.

[Riding Ghost]

Maybe I should have phased that better; The reason why I came to love all the things I love about Ghost Rider came from Dan Ketch's run, which happens to be the first I fell for. I knew heck of a lot about Dan and his life before I really know who Blaze was. Familiarity breeds obsession.

It's sorta like my love of the LA Kings. I started liking them because of Wayne Gretzky going there but stuck with them after he was traded... and still am to this day a Kings fan.

I wish You had read Blazes first.

What I want, more than just having an evil demon possession Blaze, is the demon inside be part of a legacy eons old. Not just a trick pulled by the devil but part of a trick that's has been being played forever.

That is exactly what Zarathos is. A demon with a long ass history going back to before Mephisto tricked him and that is his history before any of the shananagins of the 90's series.

Zarathos can be bested and, has been. The Spirit of Vengeance is forever.

That was cold.......but understandable in the context of our discussion.

However, it should be noted that Zarathos was somewhat on par with Mephisto and I believe when he was "bested" originally by the sov and parts of his power placed into the medallion:rolleyes: it was by the spirit(s) of vengeance, plural. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that. Apparently Zarathos power is so immense that part of it could be placed in a medallion aannnndd in the statue that the tribe revived him from. And Crossroads? ..........sophistry.

[Uncanny Orb]

Well this is what I think about the whole thing. The Ketch GR is not a demon as he was created out of a deal by a representative of heaven and Mephisto to be a judge and jury of mankind. So really any deal that Blaze made with mephisto he could not be part of. Where Zarathos being basically Mephistos property can.
So really the whole theory of there can only be one is wrong. Blaze should be possessed by Zarathos in the movie, as losing ones self is only slightly better than losing ones soul, thats the deal, and IMHO Blaze should have absolutly no control over him but only be a host. When the 90's comic started GR seemed more vicious, he would drag people off behind his bike and do whatever off panel, and later he became so predictable and other than the Scarecrow incident he was a little soft on people, the penance stare became one of those things that happened all the time and for me got old fast. I think that in the movie aswell as in the comic GR should be allowed to waste some people, should he kill some guy who just robbed 7-11? No, but should he kill some guy who just robbed a 7-11 and shot the teller and 3 other people? Absolutly! From what I know about the movie is GR is in control of himself at least that is what I've gathered from bit's that MSJ has let out, if GR is Zarathos why would he care if Blackheart was on earth? Unless he had a hand in his undoing, or Mephisto has made a deal with him to be freed, otherwise what is his reasoning, he's a demon. But it is also known that this GR (in the movie) has a history "It's said that the Rider is the Devils bounty hunter" does that mean that each GR is different or just the host is? So the question that I ask is, is it more likely that Mephisto has control of a Demon to toy with or for that matter is willing to be bonded to Blaze, or a good soul that is not part of the comic contnuity and is being forced to become part of Blaze and do these things?
Anyway I've said nothing that I meant to say and this sort of irrelavent so BLAH!

[FlameHead]

That is exactly what Zarathos is. A demon with a long ass history going back to before Mephisto tricked him and that is his history before any of the shananagins of the 90's series.


Yeah, I understand that Zarathos the demon has been around forever and the game between he and Meph has been played just as long. It's not the length of time that the demon or mythos existed that gets me. It's what Ghost Rider, the Spirit of Vengeance, means to the course of history. I believe him to be vital in cleansing the Marvel Universe and always has been.

See, the thing is, I much rather have an antihero stuck within Blaze than a bad demon. That way, the story is just as much about the Ghost Rider character as it is about Blaze and his stuggle with a bad demon inside him. Afterall, it is Ghost Rider that I'm going to this movie for. I want his character to be the hero, not just Blaze.

[FlameHead]

Well this is what I think about the whole thing. The Ketch GR is not a demon as he was created out of a deal by a representative of heaven and Mephisto to be a judge and jury of mankind. So really any deal that Blaze made with mephisto he could not be part of. Where Zarathos being basically Mephistos property can.
So really the whole theory of there can only be one is wrong. Blaze should be possessed by Zarathos in the movie, as losing ones self is only slightly better than losing ones soul, thats the deal, and IMHO Blaze should have absolutly no control over him but only be a host. When the 90's comic started GR seemed more vicious, he would drag people off behind his bike and do whatever off panel, and later he became so predictable and other than the Scarecrow incident he was a little soft on people, the penance stare became one of those things that happened all the time and for me got old fast. I think that in the movie aswell as in the comic GR should be allowed to waste some people, should he kill some guy who just robbed 7-11? No, but should he kill some guy who just robbed a 7-11 and shot the teller and 3 other people? Absolutly! From what I know about the movie is GR is in control of himself at least that is what I've gathered from bit's that MSJ has let out, if GR is Zarathos why would he care if Blackheart was on earth? Unless he had a hand in his undoing, or Mephisto has made a deal with him to be freed, otherwise what is his reasoning, he's a demon. But it is also known that this GR (in the movie) has a history "It's said that the Rider is the Devils bounty hunter" does that mean that each GR is different or just the host is? So the question that I ask is, is it more likely that Mephisto has control of a Demon to toy with or for that matter is willing to be bonded to Blaze, or a good soul that is not part of the comic contnuity and is being forced to become part of Blaze and do these things?
Anyway I've said nothing that I meant to say and this sort of irrelavent so BLAH!


In the movie, and pretty much the same in the Comic universe, Ghost Rider is a bounty hunter from hell... not just a demon. In fact, I'm pretty sure he's not even a demon. He just looks like one. He's a spirit, an entitiy that has been forever alive. Each Ghost Rider is not different because it's the same spirit that lives within the host; The Spirit of Vengeance.

Having said that, the host is vitol in shaping the spirit as well. Dan's sensibilities in the 2nd run was what led Noble to truly find himself and they both realize that fighting each other was useless and the only way to find truth harmony with themselves as to trust each other and bond. That is when Ghost Rider was at his most powerful, and Dan too.

As for killing, no. Personally, I do not want to see any killing of humans. Not in the movie and not in the comics. Death is easy. Most bad guys would rather die than live the rest of thier lives in unbearable pain. To kill is to let off easy.

[Riding Ghost]

Well this is what I think about the whole thing. The Ketch GR is not a demon as he was created out of a deal by a representative of heaven and Mephisto to be a judge and jury of mankind.!

Personally, I was hoping that Spiderman#93, when GR said it was all Mephistos lies, that they were going to do away with the sov and say it in fact was zarathos. Of course that didn't happen though. I also thought that FF4:Before the storms kinda did say that it was really Zarathos, with the "Z" medallion on the bike and all.....I'm still not sure what the hell that was all about.

So really any deal that Blaze made with mephisto he could not be part of. Where Zarathos being basically Mephistos property can.
So really the whole theory of there can only be one is wrong.

Well put, makes sense

I think that in the movie aswell as in the comic GR should be allowed to waste some people, should he kill some guy who just robbed 7-11? No, but should he kill some guy who just robbed a 7-11 and shot the teller and 3 other people? Absolutly!

I agree whole heartedly, though thats not very pc of either of us :eek:

But it is also known that this GR (in the movie) has a history "It's said that the Rider is the Devils bounty hunter" does that mean that each GR is different or just the host is? So the question that I ask is, is it more likely that Mephisto has control of a Demon to toy with or for that matter is willing to be bonded to Blaze, or a good soul that is not part of the comic contnuity and is being forced to become part of Blaze and do these things?


Good question.
I hope it is just different host, but of course if there is a scene in the movie like the recently released artwork were there is GR on horse and one on bike at the same time.....then the answer to that ? becomes obvious :(

[Riding Ghost]

Yeah, I understand that Zarathos the demon has been around forever and the game between he and Meph has been played just as long. It's not the length of time that the demon or mythos existed that gets me. It's what Ghost Rider, the Spirit of Vengeance, means to the course of history. I believe him to be vital in cleansing the Marvel Universe and always has been.

Blaze and Zarathos can do that job, just as well and even more interestingly than sov. Only difference is sov is happy to do it whereas with B/Z, Zarathos is compelled by Blaze and does it begrudgingly. job still done.

See, the thing is, I much rather have an antihero stuck within Blaze than a bad demon. That way, the story is just as much about the Ghost Rider character as it is about Blaze and his stuggle with a bad demon inside him. Afterall, it is Ghost Rider that I'm going to this movie for. I want his character to be the hero, not just Blaze.

I hear you, but for me I think it's ridiculous for a flaming skeleton to be anything but a demon, therefore I would not look to a demon as a hero, he would have to be simply badass.

Some of this is kinda moot though, at least as far as "Marvel continuity"(if there really is such a thing anymore) is concerned. They Have (for the moment) established sov AND zarathos as current, undisputed fact. So there are at least 2 GR :(
We are currently going to read an ongoing of Blaze/Zarathos. And I think MSJ elluded to, if not outright confirmed Zarathos as the demon for the movie. At least if I understand recent info We've all been sifting through correctly.

[Riding Ghost]

With Ghost Rider, it would probably look a little better considering his hands and body are already on fire but...

Oh, and I'm glad you acknowledged, that although you despise powers from hands thing, that it at least makes more sense for GR to do it than some human looking being.

[FlameHead]

Blaze and Zarathos can do that job, just as well and even more interestingly than sov. Only difference is sov is happy to do it whereas with B/Z, Zarathos is compelled by Blaze and does it begrudgingly. job still done.



I hear you, but for me I think it's ridiculous for a flaming skeleton to be anything but a demon, therefore I would not look to a demon as a hero, he would have to be simply badass.

Some of this is kinda moot though, at least as far as "Marvel continuity"(if there really is such a thing anymore) is concerned. They Have (for the moment) established sov AND zarathos as current, undisputed fact. So there are at least 2 GR :(
We are currently going to read an ongoing of Blaze/Zarathos. And I think MSJ elluded to, if not outright confirmed Zarathos as the demon for the movie. At least if I understand recent info We've all been sifting through correctly.

You see, I consider the flaming skeleton a mask of sorts... or better yet, just an image. An image that makes you want to **** your pants. It's like a flaming skeleton is the only thing that can truly represent what a spirit of vengeance is. It's a scary thing to face, that spirit... so, why not make him look scarey.

There are not 2 Ghost Riders. There is one Ghost Rider and a demon who happens to look like Ghost Rider. There has been many Ghost Riders, but, from what we know now, only one at a time... though, one can argue Vengeance. He was a spirit of such but, still just a demon that sorta looks like Ghost Rider... medallion or not. Oh, the medallion...

You're right about MSJ sayin that it's Zarathos but, did he mean it was his character by actions or by name exactly? I mean, will Ghost Rider actually have a name besides Ghost Rider?... excluding what random people call him of course; ie, The Good Samaritan.

[Riding Ghost]

You see, I consider the flaming skeleton a mask of sorts... or better yet, just an image. An image that makes you want to **** your pants. It's like a flaming skeleton is the only thing that can truly represent what a spirit of vengeance is. It's a scary thing to face, that spirit... so, why not make him look scarey.

So, he should look scary....just because he should, not because he's a demon. Apparently marvel agrees with you, but for me, that does not suspend my disbelief. Ok, so Zarathos is a demon(and looks accordingly) and the Spirit of Vengeance is just a spirit, but NOT a demon, just looks like one :confused: If there are two ultimate forces vying for control of all(evil<hell> and good<heaven>) then why would the forces of good take part in the creation of something that looks like the GR?

There are not 2 Ghost Riders. There is one Ghost Rider and a demon who happens to look like Ghost Rider. There has been many Ghost Riders, but, from what we know now, only one at a time... though, one can argue Vengeance. He was a spirit of such but, still just a demon that sorta looks like Ghost Rider... medallion or not. Oh, the medallion...

You are right, of course. That is what marvel has established. My posts are obviously due to the fact I'm not happy about it. I understand that ketch was your first GR exposed to and as such him and all to do with him are the way you feel it should be, but try to understand my side. For 15 years I was reading GR and loved it, then a decade later they come back and say no that was all wrong....and what I was reading wasn't even GR, surely you understand I'm not too happy about that. I understand that my happy or unhappyness about it doesn't change anything and really doesn't matter......but still

... excluding what random people call him of course; ie, The Good Samaritan.

That is a good point you bring up. The title "Ghost Rider", I know for vol1 and I believe from vol2 as well, had, I believe, always originated from what the people you noted above call him. So the "Good Samaritan" see a flaming skeleton on a motorcycle and say "its the Ghost Rider". Its one of those funny comic book things that when Mephisto or Blackheart or whathaveyou encounter GR they call him GR instead of using his real name Zarathos........or Noble, whichever the case may be in any given circumstance. I mean they should know who he is and address him by his real name.....one would think.

[FlameHead]

So, he should look scary....just because he should, not because he's a demon. Apparently marvel agrees with you, but for me, that does not suspend my disbelief. Ok, so Zarathos is a demon(and looks accordingly) and the Spirit of Vengeance is just a spirit, but NOT a demon, just looks like one :confused: If there are two ultimate forces vying for control of all(evil<hell> and good<heaven>) then why would the forces of good take part in the creation of something that looks like the GR?

I don't think the two forces are vying for control of all. They are ensuring tha their playground (earth) is running the way it should and cleansed when need be. That's what Ghost Rider is for. He's a bountry hunter come to earth to either bring demons back to hell or set those who are on their way to hell strait... or better year, let them suffer in pain for the rest of thie living days until being sent to hell where they suffer even more.

Also, what is a demon supposed to look like? I didn't realize there was a uniform way that demons look...

You are right, of course. That is what marvel has established. My posts are obviously due to the fact I'm not happy about it. I understand that ketch was your first GR exposed to and as such him and all to do with him are the way you feel it should be, but try to understand my side. For 15 years I was reading GR and loved it, then a decade later they come back and say no that was all wrong....and what I was reading wasn't even GR, surely you understand I'm not too happy about that. I understand that my happy or unhappyness about it doesn't change anything and really doesn't matter......but still

RG, I respect totally that you enjoy Blaze. I respect everyone's opninion on pretty much everything. Just because I'm debating Dan and my love for the 2nd GR doesn't mean I'm putting your beliefs down. We're just chatting.

That is a good point you bring up. The title "Ghost Rider", I know for vol1 and I believe from vol2 as well, had, I believe, always originated from what the people you noted above call him. So the "Good Samaritan" see a flaming skeleton on a motorcycle and say "its the Ghost Rider". Its one of those funny comic book things that when Mephisto or Blackheart or whathaveyou encounter GR they call him GR instead of using his real name Zarathos........or Noble, whichever the case may be in any given circumstance. I mean they should know who he is and address him by his real name.....one would think.

Mephisto should definatly know who he is... if of course they develop at all that Ghost Rider has a personality and his own life. This is one of my biggest concerns right now; not establishing Blaze and Ghost Rider as two different entities.

[Reaper]

Fascinating discussion Deep :ghost: stuff
If The REAPER may interject for a moment


Its one of those funny comic book things that when Mephisto or Blackheart or whathaveyou encounter GR they call him GR instead of using his real name Zarathos........or Noble, whichever the case may be in any given circumstance. I mean they should know who he is and address him by his real name.....one would think.
The answer could be that for most of the times we've seen them interact, GR has had that imposed amnesia. Neither GR had sufficient memories of themselves to know who they were 'till the end. So they didn't want to give GR any clues or answers by reminding either GR of their real name.
RG, I respect totally that you enjoy Blaze. I respect everyone's opninion on pretty much everything. Just because I'm debating Dan and my love for the 2nd GR doesn't mean I'm putting your beliefs down. We're just chatting.
See thats the problem we have with a situation like this with GR or any comic. Which is why many boards filled with flamethreads. The writers and changing of writers over time they inevitably do something stupid and piss some people off. Flamehead knows if everybody agreed with him then we would have Ketch in the movie and the new comic will be his dream and same with RidngGhost the other way. I'm not saying this is a flamethread. Its not. I'm just saying situations like this start it. Its the result of incompetence on the part of comic creators.

I must say that I do tend to agree that major mistakes have been made during the creative process of this character and many opportunities to correct them have been ignored. Maybe the new series will help but I doubt it.
I qualify my position as being a Blaze reader first myself

[Riding Ghost]

I don't think the two forces are vying for control of all. They are ensuring tha their playground (earth) is running the way it should and cleansed when need be. That's what Ghost Rider is for. He's a bountry hunter come to earth to either bring demons back to hell or set those who are on their way to hell strait... or better year, let them suffer in pain for the rest of thie living days until being sent to hell where they suffer even more.

Interesting to use the word playground...it does sorta seem like that, tho I suspect they do have an ultimate goal other than their amusement.

Also, what is a demon supposed to look like? I didn't realize there was a uniform way that demons look....

No not uniform, but if there ever was an image that conjured thoughts of a demon, GR's image would be right up there.

RG, I respect totally that you enjoy Blaze. I respect everyone's opninion on pretty much everything. Just because I'm debating Dan and my love for the 2nd GR doesn't mean I'm putting your beliefs down. We're just chatting.

Your right and I can appreciate that. I don't mean to come off so political about it, its just sometimes the fanboy geek in me takes over :D

Mephisto should definatly know who he is... if of course they develop at all that Ghost Rider has a personality and his own life. This is one of my biggest concerns right now; not establishing Blaze and Ghost Rider as two different entities.

Hmmm, that never really occured to me. I just figured that Ennis GR was like the early Blaze where Blaze was in complete control.
But what else could they say the deal is? The only thing I can think of is that when Blaze was first "possessed" he thought that GR might be his evil side, not a seperate entity. That would be.......... odd, but your right, I wouldn't put anything past them.

[Riding Ghost]

If The REAPER may interject for a moment

AALLLRIGGHHTTYYYY then


The answer could be that for most of the times we've seen them interact, GR has had that imposed amnesia. Neither GR had sufficient memories of themselves to know who they were 'till the end. So they didn't want to give GR any clues or answers by reminding either GR of their real name.

Good point, I didn't consider that

[FlameHead]

See thats the problem we have with a situation like this with GR or any comic. Which is why many boards filled with flamethreads. The writers and changing of writers over time they inevitably do something stupid and piss some people off. Flamehead knows if everybody agreed with him then we would have Ketch in the movie and the new comic will be his dream and same with RidngGhost the other way. I'm not saying this is a flamethread. Its not. I'm just saying situations like this start it. Its the result of incompetence on the part of comic creators.

I must say that I do tend to agree that major mistakes have been made during the creative process of this character and many opportunities to correct them have been ignored. Maybe the new series will help but I doubt it.
I qualify my position as being a Blaze reader first myself

Flamethreads come from people who have an inabilty to debate and only argue... or they're just troublemakers.

For the record, it's not Dan I want in the movie, it's Noble or more of his personality anyway. Also, I'm thrilled that there will be a mix of both in the flick. Best of both worlds sorta thing.

As for the new comic, I'm very optomistic. The articles I've read so far have given me a lot of hope and I think Way will do a great job on the character. Of course, only time will tell.

[FlameHead]

Hmmm, that never really occured to me. I just figured that Ennis GR was like the early Blaze where Blaze was in complete control.
But what else could they say the deal is? The only thing I can think of is that when Blaze was first "possessed" he thought that GR might be his evil side, not a seperate entity. That would be.......... odd, but your right, I wouldn't put anything past them.

What I got from the new Ennis story (and this is just my interpretation) was that Blaze at some point died and is now in Hell. In Hell, he is forced to always and forever be the one thing he hates most; Ghost Rider. So, that would mean it's Blaze's conscience and soul in a Ghost Rider Vessel.

[FlameHead]

Poll bump for newbies both here and on their way...

[FlameHead]

Another bump. Just as well to keep these types close to the top eh?

[Iron-Man]

Johnny Blaze for me. :ghost:

[thegameq]

Are you kidding? Blaze of course!

Makes a pact with Mephisto who in turn traps the demon Zarathos within Blaze's body. Blaze must struggle to control the raging demon within. Oh man, the cover artwork from some of those comics were awesome. The flaming wheelies and such...just classic. The JB GR was a total badass, more antihero, if hero at all. That's what made it great, he wasn't just another good guy.

[Hellstormer]

Vengeance is my favorite with Ketch and 2099 a tied second, Blaze works better as the badass mentor.

[pinkfloydstarr]

Do you like the Johnnie blaze GR or the Danny Ketch GR?

["Iron Man"]

I like Caretaker GR best!


He rides a friggin horse!

[webhead731]

It's a tie.

I grew up reading the Ketch Ghost Rider though.

[pinkfloydstarr]

I like Caretaker GR best!


He rides a friggin horse!
hmmmm, maybe i can add him to the poll

[pinkfloydstarr]

nope, can't :(

[NDX]

The Blazing Skulls trumps them all!

[Destructicus]

Blaze Hands down.

[Ghost Ridin']

Yeah for me it's all about Blaze his name just speaks Ghost Rider I mean John Blaze come on its a classic.


:ghost: :ghost: :ghost: :ghost: :ghost:

[Canadian Rider]

I didn't see this in my search, but being relatively new I may have missed it.

Who is your favorite incarnation of Ghost Rider so far, and why?

[Canadian Rider]

So I voted for MSJ. I love Johnny but come on. The combination of all the different key ideas is not to be missed. I set up the poll to close on the 16th in that I will see the midnight Matinee on the 15th and post if I lost my mind in this choice. It is not the movie, but rather the way MSJ put the best parts together. I am hanging out there lads. Am I cast out from the GR community now? Will I be shunned?

(waiting quietly in corner biting nails ...)

[webhead731]

I like Danny and MSJ's.:up:

[Riding Ghost]

Bump for Canadian Rider

[screenamesuck]

I can't say until I see the movie. So far it's Ketch

[screenamesuck]

Man, I gotta start posting more. I've been here a year longer than you but you have almost as many posts as me :(

[Mr Nick]

The Ketch era Ghost Rider is the only one I know. I never read any of the Johnny Blaze ones, so I can't really compare.

I really must pick up one of them there graphic novel compilations of the 70's comics.

:yay:

[BrollySupersj]

I'm liking the movie Ghost Rider and the "Road To Damnation" Ghost Rider. SO I'd say Johnny Blaze.

[HAMACKIE]

Dan Ketch was okay...I guess... but I was first, and foremost, a Blaze fan.

Howard

[Canadian Rider]

Wow ... Howard weighs in ... very cool!

Sorry. Grinning .... :woot:

[Canadian Rider]

Thanks Lads.

Same but different. Of course Flamehead adds the Phantom Rider and totally screws with my head! :woot:

[xwolverine2]

movie version duh

[Vartha]

loved the Johnny B version the because his hellcycle was all flame at first, BUT, I liked the leather, spikes and chain of the Ketch version, kind of a toss up with me almost.

[Mr.GhostRider]

To the person who said the Johnny Blaze Ghost Rider was almost anti hero, if hero at all................My sentiments exactly. Johnny Blaze was the coolest ****in Ghost Rider ever, I loved him heterosexually at first sight. And to ya'll who never got a chance, he's BACK and you should spend 30 bucks and get issues 1-6 and then keep getting them forever, cuz he's in a ongoing now. The story is the sickest I've ever read and should get a R rating, cuz it's gonna get nastier..................It's BOINGIN...............Enjoy My Vote: JOHNNY BLAZE p.s. He got the name Johnny BLAZE because his father was a stunt cyclist and his kid naturally kept that name, which makes sense that he wasn't just born that way and all that stuff happened to him. Ghost Rider rules.............check out the series buy em all (especially if you ride, or wanna ride)

[Hellstormer]

To the person who said the Johnny Blaze Ghost Rider was almost anti hero, if hero at all................My sentiments exactly. Johnny Blaze was the coolest ****in Ghost Rider ever, I loved him heterosexually at first sight. And to ya'll who never got a chance, he's BACK and you should spend 30 bucks and get issues 1-6 and then keep getting them forever, cuz he's in a ongoing now. The story is the sickest I've ever read and should get a R rating, cuz it's gonna get nastier..................It's BOINGIN...............Enjoy My Vote: JOHNNY BLAZE p.s. He got the name Johnny BLAZE because his father was a stunt cyclist and his kid naturally kept that name, which makes sense that he wasn't just born that way and all that stuff happened to him. Ghost Rider rules.............check out the series buy em all (especially if you ride, or wanna ride)
You can't really get an R rated comics just a MR warning and besides R rating, despite commmon misconception, doesn't mean a better story, it means a smaller audience and less chance of continuing.:rolleyes:

[Mr.GhostRider]

You obviously haven't read the new comic so Boita!

[Hellstormer]

You obviously haven't read the new comic so Boita!
Boita? And yes I've been faithfully following the new comic, I read the min and I've gotten every issues so far along with the Silvestri varient. The story is good it's brutal enough as it is and I don't need it becomming a MAX title so I can no longer buy it. :(

[FlameHead]

Well, it's really hard to pick between MSJ's morphed version and the others because, for one, they are two different mediums. Also, we havn't really seens MSJ's version in full yet, so...

Me (and this poll has been here before, just so you know. There's probably one in the comics section as well, though I'm not sure. Either way, no biggie) I'll always say Danny Ketch, and by that I mean the Spirit of Vengeance that was within Danny. I'm here for Ghost Rider an the Ghost Rider that inhabited the 90's was much more appealing to me than the demon of early days.

Again, that could be because it was the GR that got me into the mythos...

Dan Ketch was okay...I guess... but I was first, and foremost, a Blaze fan.

Howard

LoL. I love that you say your own creation was 'okay... I guess'. Too funny.

[WiscoD]

loved the Johnny B version the because his hellcycle was all flame at first, BUT, I liked the leather, spikes and chain of the Ketch version, kind of a toss up with me almost.I feel the same way... The more i see MSJs morphed version, the more i like the possability of cleaning up the history of GR all together, while using the strengths of both versions...

[LivingTribunal]

So... this goes out to all those FlameHead (The originals, not me) fans out there. As you all know, there has been several incarnation of this character and it's your job now to vote which was the best. You're choices are
1http://img34.exs.cx/img34/3589/GR1.jpg2http://img34.exs.cx/img34/4549/GR3.jpg3http://img34.exs.cx/img34/2560/GR4.jpg
4http://img34.exs.cx/img34/3124/GR5.jpg5http://img34.exs.cx/img34/2613/GR6.jpg

1) The Ghost Rider
This is the original Ghost Rider but he has no connection to the later incarnations and is a western character.

2) Johnny Blaze
The man to start the craze. Johnny fought hard with the demon that possessed him winning out in the end...

3) Dan Ketch
Dan came along in the early 90's which breed some really nice life into this timeless character

4) Vengence
For a short time while the 2nd coming of Ghost Rider was thought to be dead this character, created by the hate he had for the Flamed Rider, took over Ghost Rider's part inflicting vengence on those who deserved it.

5) Ghost Rider 2099
From the 2099-verse, this mostly mechanical being ruled.

So now... the choice is up to you! And don't just say the name and be gone; let us know your thoughts. Tell us when you like this particular character most.

Blaze/Zarathos simply the best. Classic struggle. Issue #47 is a classic

[Stripesy Strip]

I think in term of "guy wearing the skull fire spirit" it would have to be badass Johnny Blaze but to me the best rider spirit if you will was the 90s version. He was as deadly and dirty and ruthless as the Punisher and had this scary soul-twisting stare.

guy= Blaze
demonic rider=90 version

[Mr Nick]

I think in term of "guy wearing the skull fire spirit" it would have to be badass Johnny Blaze but to me the best rider spirit if you will was the 90s version. He was as deadly and dirty and ruthless as the Punisher and had this scary soul-twisting stare.

guy= Blaze
demonic rider=90 version

I think we can all be thankful that MSJ seems to agree and has given us the best of both worlds for the movie GR.

:yay:

[FlameHead]

Just a bump for those new folks who may have missed it.