Real Webshooters

[spolen23]

I have an idea fro real webshooters, not the fluid, but an actual shooter. It involves electronics, metal fabrication, and a few things I am not good at. If anyone is handy, and would like to try to make these, please let me know and maybe we will have some luck.

[Lord Valumart]

OK, i'm game as long as i don't go blind from an explosion.

[<Mr.Spider>]

any design scematics for us to look at..orpics of drawings of ideas on how it works..I know a couple of things about electronics...not alot but a little.

[spolen23]

no, not yet. Basically, you use CO2 cartridges to pressurize the fluid cartridges and you use a solenoid valve to release the liquid, via a button on your palm. The only question is, and I haven't done any tests, is how far will it shoot? How much pressure could be built up with those CO2 cartridges? Will it last for a bit or run out every 5 seconds. The smaller the hole it comes out of, the farther it will shoot and the longer it will last. The design is based on the pics of the movie prop webshooter, not the comic version replicas.

you can see them at:

http://63.160.59.180/props/webshooter02.htm

the fluid cartridges are not as big as i would like, they would need to be bigger to hold more fluid. then they would all need to be linked with tubing to create one large vessel composed off all the small ones.

[spolen23]

more like this one:

http://starwars.countingdown.com/movies/1200/multimedia/images?item_id=733203

[Iggy]

Talk to Frank McKeaver (sorry if I spelled your name wrong Frank). Awhile back he made his own that actually shot fishing line... Not sure how far he got with it.

[spolen23]

is he on the boards? where would i find him?

[<Mr.Spider>]

I always figured the substance would be not so liquidy in form ..almost solid...like a paste.If you see the pictures these look like they split it into strands then they are forced together whrn they come out the spinneret...and yes I like your ideas they sound as thugh it would work...the distance stuff..im not too sure it would be filled with liquid though and as for the space ....im not sure.
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v347/Mr.Spider/webshooters.jpg

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v347/Mr.Spider/webshooters2.jpg

[spolen23]

dude, if it was liquid, it would not flow, i am almost talking about making webshooter squirtguns. im not looking to make real webs, just a cool device that shoots something, probably water in a long thin strand, that shoots far, a simulation of a real web.

[<Mr.Spider>]

the problem you find is what type of material can be used that...in theory hardens to hold weight without snapping or breaking without great physical stress...oh and folks who are reading this...no i'm not carazy....or overly obsessed..non of us are...no im not implying that you are...but you gotta admit its pretty interesting stuff.

[spolen23]

i wouldn;t even mind if it was silly string, the problem is that the cans they use to hold the stuff is way too big to be put on the wrist, they need to make little pressurized cans, but that would get expensive, the co2 cartridges are not that expensive.

[<Mr.Spider>]

forget my last post ......but any way I undersatand...hre I got somethin...are these franks..I remember a site and I remembered I had these...is this what you were talkin about iggy
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v347/Mr.Spider/workingshoot2.jpg

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v347/Mr.Spider/workingshoot.jpg

I picked up these pics at a website that were selling these because i thught it was a geat referance pic...I still dont know if the site is still up thugh.

[spolen23]

Here is a concept of what I mean:

<img src="http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v341/spolen23/webshooter_schematic_copy.jpg">

[<Mr.Spider>]

cant see it link wont work says "ERROR"

[spolen23]

sorry, here is the concept drawing

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v341/spolen23/ws1.jpg

[spolen23]

what website was selling those other ones??

[<Mr.Spider>]

uuuhhh...it was a while ago...I know i got the adress from these boards but I cant remember form who

[spolen23]

Factory X was supposed to make new replicas, but they did not want to buy the license from Marvel

[<Mr.Spider>]

I tried to find the adress but I cant..but i did find this
www.foresthills.tk
check out his ideas

[imurme]

Originally posted by spolen23
no, not yet. Basically, you use CO2 cartridges to pressurize the fluid cartridges and you use a solenoid valve to release the liquid, via a button on your palm. The only question is, and I haven't done any tests, is how far will it shoot? How much pressure could be built up with those CO2 cartridges? Will it last for a bit or run out every 5 seconds. The smaller the hole it comes out of, the farther it will shoot and the longer it will last. The design is based on the pics of the movie prop webshooter, not the comic version replicas.

you can see them at:

http://63.160.59.180/props/webshooter02.htm

the fluid cartridges are not as big as i would like, they would need to be bigger to hold more fluid. then they would all need to be linked with tubing to create one large vessel composed off all the small ones.

hey Spolen23, I was suprised to read your ideas for your 'web-squirter', mostley because they are exactly the same ideas I had...lol...we must think along the same web-strands...hehe...but I really do think this is possible and actually have some ideas for the fluid (made up of two differnt chemicals when mixed create a fast forming nylon substance) it would not be strong but it would be a string that shoots out the nozzel...and would just require a few changes to your design...but like you I do not have the means to construct it properly...oh well

[frankmckeever18]

Hey guys!

It's Frank here...I had to get a new screenname. :( Sorry, I've been gone for awhile with some serious stress lately (loss my grandmother and was in the emergency room the following week).

Anyways, spolen23 ~

I love your ideas! In the past I created a shooter that worked similar to a fishing rod (sling your arm out to spin the reel and shoot the 'webbing'). I found a 140 lb test fishing line to use, which actually supported my weight.

Since then, I've designed one that you use manually, and one used with CO2 cartridges (similar to what you're talking about). As Mr. Spider pointed out, you can check our movie site for pictures of that shooter: www.foresthills.tk

I'm working on a shooter at this very moment that is also CO2 powered. I actually got the adapter that holds the CO2 cartridge from a "Nitrous Connection" setup, used in racing cars (bought one for my car and one for my project!).

If you have any questions, talk to me on AIM, I added you to my buddylist: silverboy3005

Take it easy, and goodluck!

*thwip!*

[<Mr.Spider>]

how is that movie comin along anyway frank?
I'm sorry about your troubles...my bro was in a car accident and almost got crushed....his arm was almost burned off.
plus I love your idea for shooters..please go on...would be nice to see if the idea would work.

[spolen23]

Hey frank, I added you to my buddy list also. I like the idea of the two chemical thing, however, it would be hard keeping them apart as not to clog the nozzle. Anyone, ever use a solenoid valve, i know they make them small, and it would be the perfect solution, for the palm trigger as opposed to a mechanical lever device. a cool thing is to have it attached to a chip so that it activates after you press it twice, but that level of programming is way beyond me, even though i think it is pretty simple to do. Everything is easy when you know how to do it! Frank, email me your teaser for the film, it looks awsome. I used to do visual effects for commericals and feature films, so if there is anything i can do to help, let me know. Am I crazy, but if someone did make a shooter that was true to the character and worked, they would stand to make a lot of money, kind of like the force fx lightsabers?

[Lord Valumart]

if any of you work in a school there was an experement where 2 liquids turn solid after about 3 secs so that would do for fluid, but i can't remember the stuff.

anyhoo, if you buy a cheap CO2 BB gun and take it apart then youcould use some of the stuff in that.

[<Mr.Spider>]

what kind of effects?

[Socrates]

Glad you learned how to finally clear your cookies Frank.;) Anyways...great ideas guys.

[MyDixieWrecked]

Originally posted by <Mr.Spider>
no i'm not carazy....or overly obsessed..non of us are.

wrong:spidey:

[Orcinus]

http://www.dctech.com/physics/features/0901.php

Sounds like a beginning.

[frankmckeever18]

Yeah.

Well, okay...

You can make some goo...sure, that's possible. But, how do you plan on putting the mixed solution in a cylinder and having it shoot out? I mean, the idea is that it's liquid, and then becomes a solid once it's released into the air. With this stuff, you have to make it beforehand....not to mention that you (sadly) can't swing from it :(

I hope that didn't sound rude, I was just thinking about it and realized you couldnt really do it that way. :)

[spolen23]

I agree, I need someone who knows CO2, technology and electrical expertise to help with my working shooters.

[spiderfan09]

OK, I got a few web fluid ideas.
One inolves borax mixed in water, and elmer's glue. All you do is pour glue in the borax solution and it will automatically form a rubbery blob type thing.

Another involvesthe borax solution and a thing called guar gum, which is a powder substance. All you do is mix the guar gum with water, and mix the guar/water solution with the borax/water solution, and stir it until it turns to slime.

[Orcinus]

There's this Polyvinyl alcohol thing (described in one of the links), that, mixed with the water/borax solution turns into the goo too, and both are very fluid :)

[<Mr.Spider>]

interesting.....hhhhmmmmm

[Da'WebshooterX]

Its good to see that we all share similar ideas. I'm new here...well, not exactly. I was a member here a year before the first Spider-Man movie came out. Man,those were some crazy days.

Anywho, I once had the same idea as many of you who about making webshooters. But, my idea included actually shooting webs. I know it may sound crazy, but I found many websites (that deals with halloween decorations) that sells this chemical in which you can use to make realistic spider webs. See, you had to put the chemical into a container, secure the container onto a drill with a perpaler(sp?) behind it, and be able to shoot out the webbing. But when I first found out about this stuff, I had no money or other means to buy the stuff. Now, I have a paypal account and a job, but I can't find the stuff for a decent price on line.

I hope we can discuss this more. Until next time...

[<Mr.Spider>]

welcome to the hype....any ideas are welcome here.

[spolen23]

Interesting idea about the fluid for Halloween Cobweb shooter. Anyone ever play around with that stuff? Does it harden on contact with air? If it was compressed, it could shoot out far and harden, maybe stick to stuff, but, it would probably break if pulled. I mean forget swinging from anything, you couldn't even pick up a can of soup with it, but it would look cool. Plus, i hear it s b**ch to get off things, clothes, walls, etc...

[<Mr.Spider>]

I've read about them on lots of halloween sites they seem promising.I should check some sites and see whats up.

[Da'WebshooterX]

Thank you for the welcoming. Well, I've been to many sites and most of them are either selling it for $70, or were sold out. I'm still searching though...

[spiderfan09]

On this link, go to props, then to effects, and then scroll to like the bottom of the page. http://nightmarefactory.com/shop.html

[<Mr.Spider>]

thanks for the link.....why is it on every page that has hthese they never show pictures....oh well

[chris moore]

Well silly string starts out as a compressed liquid, then upon expansion and contact with air becomes solid (semi). That stuff fires about 20-30ft, so a modification of this as opposed to solenoid driven spinnerets would be most practically possible.
There's that lame, giant, takes up most of your arm toy web shooter that basically has a can of silly string strapped onto a kids arm and the palm press merely pushes down the release nozzle. But the basic theory behind it is sound.

Imagine a miniature (approx 10mm D, 40mm L) aerosol can of silly string (for arguement's sake as we've yet to have a really good idea for feasible webbing) with the release hole on the top as with many new deodorants. Just in front of this hole is a small metal plate (20mm L, 10mm W, 1mm thick) with a hole in the middle slightly smaller than the size of the plastic nozzle on the end of the aerosol (nozzle 5mm D, 5mm L; plate hole 3mm D). Set behind the metal plate is another of the same size that has a semicircular groove slightly smaller than the aerosol can (approx 8mm D). The aerosol rests in this groove as a means of fixing the can in place/loading the cartridge. The groove rests in between the end of the can and the start of the nozzle.
The grooved plate has two short, fixed arms on either side (6mm L). The first plate is attached to these arms by way of sliding up and down them (sandwich-like)
A current is sent through the grooved plate to turn it into an electromagnet due to the workings arranged just behind the aerosol can where the other fixing point for the can is. This mechanism is triggered by two micro switches in the palm of the hand - both must be pressed for power to run to the mechanism
When this happens, the first plate is snapped back to the grooved plate, thereby bringing the nozzle down with it. The pressure is released as with any other aerosol, and the fluid is fired.

Sounds dumb I know, and it might take several micro-solenoids behind the cartridge housing to illicit enough force. But it makes the issue of several container linked up, and CO2 issues a bit easier.

[<Mr.Spider>]

no.no its not dumb..its very interesting

[spiderfan09]

I think we are trying to think to big. It could be as simple as getting a very small can of silly string and use the concept of the crappy store bought one and just press down the button to spray stuff out. But make everything about 1/3 the size. It should be about 3/4 of an inch in diameter and 4-5 inches long.

[spolen23]

The problem is, no one knows how to make silly string, plus, canning it into aerosol cans is expensive, not to mention it would run out every 4 or 5 presses. You would need to have custom cans made and that is very expensive. Unless a toy company decides to do it and sell it, an individual does not have the starting capital to do this. You need something you can buy in bulk and keep refilling, because CO2 cartridges are really cheap, the question is how far will it make something shoot, I have not tested anything yet, I mean, they make really small co2 cartridges, 8oz would fit on the wrist just fine and with a good design of a shooter could fit in perfectly. Again, we need someone with fabricationg experience to make a hollow shooter that fits on the wrist to hold liquid, has spot to attach co2, and tubing to the soleniod.

[Viller]

Using CO2 capsules for BB guns would be alot cheaper than anything in aerosol cans.... and ALOT stronger, meaning it would shoot farther...

CO2 has something like 800PSI I think and normal aerosol cans wont get you more than 100(in general)...

Real webshooters would be very nice, but if any of you guys can think of anything to make webbing, youd beat scientists that are paid 150K a year and been working on it for 10-15years... Theirs is alot of substitues out there for movie props, one thing that could work is fiberglass, but how do you get it to mix enough and what do you for it not to dry when using? questions I cannot answer =P

edit: Just imagine the range youd get from silly string at around 8 times the pressure... Would take someone's eye out lol

[<Mr.Spider>]

I hear fiberglass can be tricky...not to mention if you get it on your skin..... very itchy

[Da'WebshooterX]

These are some great ideas guys. With all of our ideas, I feel that we can achieve something. It may not be webbing thats strong enough to hold our own weight, but this webshooter could be used as a prop for those who like to make Spider-Man costumes. Man, its cool to actually discuss this with people who knows about Spider-Man.

[spiderfan09]

If only we could take this up with a silly string company. I know it would be expensive to do it by yourself. We should try to contact the company that makes the webshooters for toys. Tell them about what we are thinking, an dmaybe they could at least make some mini web cartridges.

[<Mr.Spider>]

the reason they dont do it already is because of safety issuse with kids...you know...chemicals...do not ingest sort of thing....but i have to agree wholheartedly with webshooterx....we could make some interesting props for costumes

[Viller]

One thing I was thinking about is use the big silly string cans on your belt or somethin, and have a tube running to the shooters, when it gets to the wrist area use the CO2 as propellant... like somehow use a Y connector to the tube so that the CO2 can propel it foward even more...

But it probably wouldn't come out as a string since the CO2 would break them in the tube...

But yea going with that idea would be the smartest way IMO because, you wont be able to have alot of fluid of whatever directly on your wrist...

[frankmckeever18]

That's a good idea Viller, especially with the Y connector tube...but the problem is that the trigger for the silly string to come out is on the silly string can, which is on your belt. So, you'd have to run another wiring up to your wrist to somehow engage this, along with the CO2 button.

The problem with the small cans is that it doesn't hold much, but if you think about it, Spidey's real tubes wouldn't hold much either. He'd have to be constantly switching them if it were real.

Maybe I can try and draw something up...

[<Mr.Spider>]

what about the design of the webs...i mean...circular ,webline,spray ...do you think diff. nozzles would help?...kinda like on the garden hose attacthments.

[Viller]

Originally posted by <Mr.Spider>
what about the design of the webs...i mean...circular ,webline,spray ...do you think diff. nozzles would help?...kinda like on the garden hose attacthments.

your thinking way ahead... Try doing lines first and upgrade afterwards. =P

If I wasn't moving to San Fran Id probably try doing my idea but I'm going in a week and a half...

The can could be "filled" in the tube, remove the trigger on the can and use the little nozzle... putting it on the belt would empty it in the tube till theirs no more space... The pressure in the tube would still force it to come out (I guess at least) and the CO2 could push it alot further... Its hard to explain what I mean by words =/

edit: you could have one CO2 capsule on the belt also to make sure the string goes to the end... But like I said in another post I doubt the silly string is strong enough to make it out in one piece, could be wrong though...

[Dave1986]

Hello,I have been reading this subject,great stuff and great ideas........im a major chemistry buff (I am going to be majoring in it in college) but I thought I could put some imput in here for the web section of it........to actually make a suitable chemical to make webs you would need a tempature reactant polymer....like a crosslink of cyanoacralate.....adipic acid.....hexamethalyne diamine and some other chemicals that I can't think of now but some type of polyethelane foam would help I think the majority of chemicals in this make-up would be a suitable polymer for that type of thing but the major problem is controlling it and "spinning" it.....some of the components above make up nylon 6.6 which is an amazing synthetic fibre/polymer.....it relies on a series or monomers and acids to complete it's structure. To make nylon (or in this case the nylon 6.6 "clone) it doesn't need a catalyst, but acids do catalyze the reaction and to complete the process you would need to spin it also to make it and also let the catalyst react to happen so it actually can spin but the beauty of it all is that when it is made it does connect or link up when touching O2 thats right good old Air so i think something like this would work but as I said the biggest pain in the A$$ would be how to keep the tempatures but I am not completly sure on this so don't go saying I came up with webs but these are just ideas.....

[<Mr.Spider>]

my bad some times i forget things.....so its best for me to know i can refer back somewhere....and what if the string dries out "in" the tube..theres air in the tube right?...cause if it had to travel through it wouldnt it dry and clog it?

[Dave1986]

It could be compressed under Co2 but compressing anything under Co2 is costly

[<Mr.Spider>]

dave...by "spin" you mean..like a "spinneret" such as the comic book webshooter reference on the first page....like a small turbine....yeah its not the right word im lookin for but...its LATE, gimme a break.

[Dave1986]

I know what you mean,lol,I know the feeling too

[chris moore]

Okay - before anyone gets too carried away here (and there have already been far too many "I really think we can do something here"). The point made by Viller is very valid. There are people working on this problem 24/7 with the equipment and access to materials that we can only dream of. People have been trying to reproduce spider-silk for decades because to do that would be to replicate one of the most amazing natural phenomenon ever seen in nature. The market for a biodegradable, steel strong, half inch thick, air catalysed, mouldable polymer is immense.
Focus on building the web shooters themselves as that is a very attainable goal - what shoots out and how far is really not an issue as long as it doesnt just dribble out the nozzle. Whatever conconction you come up with will not support your weight, will not stick to the ceiling as line to hang stuff of and will not be able to tie your kids (or your friend kids if you're a kid now) up without toxicity issues, burning of the skin, ruining of clothes, bleaching of surfaces etc.
Have the shooter fire silly string, pre catalysed nylon base, liquid fibre glass - anything that changes from liquid to semi solid.
But the shooter is the key thing here. If you can build that, then it doesnt matter what comes out of it as I'm hoping no one would start trying to swing to their neighbour's house with this thing. The impressive thing would be to forget the fantasy aspect and to create a wrist mounted, compact firing mechanism that operates by a palm trigger that wont fire accidentaly when the wearer makes a fist or grabs something and doesnt look under a sleeve, like you've strapped an air rifle to your arm and attched a bunch of plastic tubes all around it.

[<Mr.Spider>]

I agree....maybe doing one small thing at a time and breaking it up would help
to make this easier.....baby steps ......so to speak

[imurme]

I do agree, the shooters are the problem we could solve here easiest...but even that is difficult...although many of the ideas presented here could possibly work as functioning liquid shooters, it comes down to materials, costs, and skills...It would be difficult for just one person to posses all of these...may need a group to solve it...I myself have plans based on the design of the shooters that were not used in the first film, and very similar to Spolen23's description of his design, and I believe it would work...problem is materials and of course money, but the most difficult barrier has been skills and knowledge...I cant understand how to make the air regulator, although I have ideas like that you have to actually grab the triggers and pull them to release fluid (pretty much forcing you to use the Spidey hand movement, two fingers holding trigger ends and bending the wrist to pull a trigger (or valve) open...the buttons on the palm would be for spinning the shooters nose (perhaps just for effect...for now)
But it is hard to decide how to make these devices without some expertise and or proper materials and tools...we need to pool the ideas and see if there are actually solutions here

[spolen23]

well, i just bought some co2 catridges and I ordered a co2 quick change adapter to put them in, then i will construct a test shooter, just to see how far it will shoot and how long everything lasts..

[spolen23]

Here is the adapter I bought.

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v341/spolen23/adapter.jpg

[imurme]

...thats great Spolen23! I am looking forward to your test results...could you go into detail how the adapter works and were yo got them...

[imurme]

Originally posted by Dave1986
Hello,I have been reading this subject,great stuff and great ideas........im a major chemistry buff (I am going to be majoring in it in college) but I thought I could put some imput in here for the web section of it........to actually make a suitable chemical to make webs you would need a tempature reactant polymer....like a crosslink of cyanoacralate.....adipic acid.....hexamethalyne diamine and some other chemicals that I can't think of now but some type of polyethelane foam would help I think the majority of chemicals in this make-up would be a suitable polymer for that type of thing but the major problem is controlling it and "spinning" it.....some of the components above make up nylon 6.6 which is an amazing synthetic fibre/polymer.....it relies on a series or monomers and acids to complete it's structure. To make nylon (or in this case the nylon 6.6 "clone) it doesn't need a catalyst, but acids do catalyze the reaction and to complete the process you would need to spin it also to make it and also let the catalyst react to happen so it actually can spin but the beauty of it all is that when it is made it does connect or link up when touching O2 thats right good old Air so i think something like this would work but as I said the biggest pain in the A$$ would be how to keep the tempatures but I am not completly sure on this so don't go saying I came up with webs but these are just ideas.....

ok, I know were working on the shooters here, but I want to get some questions out to Dave1986, just that those are some interesting ideas there, more than I really understand, but I reconize some of it from a conversation I had here after the fisrt film, we talked about mixing a mixture of Sebacoyl chloride and or Adipoyl chloride then mixed in a 1:1 ratio with hexamethylene diamine...does that make since? I dont remeber any talk about heat being an issue though...what are your thoughts

[spolen23]

You simply put the CO2 cartridge in the adapter, screw on the lid, which has a tip that puntures the cartridge. The adapter is screwed into fittings which will have a valve on it, for now a manula one, but later it will have the electric solenoid valve on it. I will connect it to a vessle with water in it, and have tubing connecting it all to a nozzle, i will try a needle used to pump up basketballs and such, it has a small hole and has threads on the other side to screw it into a fitting.

You can buy them at any paintball supply store online. Just type in "co2 quick change adapter" in google and you will find them.

[imurme]

could you also tell me what is the dark circle on the side of the adapter, is it a hole or button??

...and sorry for having to ask, but which side is connected to the CO2 cartridge?

...just trying to see it in my head here

[spolen23]

hole

the top unscrews, the cartridge slides in the tube, top screws back on

[Da'WebshooterX]

Originally posted by spolen23
You simply put the CO2 cartridge in the adapter, screw on the lid, which has a tip that puntures the cartridge. The adapter is screwed into fittings which will have a valve on it, for now a manula one, but later it will have the electric solenoid valve on it. I will connect it to a vessle with water in it, and have tubing connecting it all to a nozzle, i will try a needle used to pump up basketballs and such, it has a small hole and has threads on the other side to screw it into a fitting.

You can buy them at any paintball supply store online. Just type in "co2 quick change adapter" in google and you will find them.

That is exactly what I was thinking before I posted my first message on the board! lol

Anywho, I see where many of you are going with taking baby steps and starting the webshooter first. I'm all in to that and the webbing idea I had earlier was just for show. But, I'm liking these ideas...

[Socrates]

Another thing you would have to worry about is firering the 'webbing" by mistake...

[spolen23]

thats where some knowledge of basic programming comes in.
You would have to program the button to fire on a double tap, a simple chip would be able to do that, i do not know how to, but maybe someone here could show how to wire something to a chip and batteries.

[Da'WebshooterX]

Originally posted by Zerocool6989
Another thing you would have to worry about is firering the 'webbing" by mistake...

Yeah, that was one of my worries, too. Like, if you were messing around and made a fist or something. Another thing is that you want the trigger portion to sort of move with your hand movements, not just stay in one place and stick out. But, some people seems to think that the webshooter should go in an electronic direction instead of mechanic.

[<Mr.Spider>]

yeah ....no one wants to get sued for shooting out some girls eye lol

[frankmckeever18]

spolen ~

You didn't really have to buy that for testing. I've already got two, I told you I could do it myself if you wanted :)

You know what sucks though? I tried to buy CO2 cartridges about a week ago for some 'testing', and they said you had to be 21! I was like "No, you have to be 18." He wouldn't sell them to me since I'm 18 and not 21 :o Really ticked me off...so now, I can't do my testing until I get someone to buy them for me. I need to hit a few other places I guess...

[The_Symbiote]

Originally posted by Da'WebshooterX
Another thing is that you want the trigger portion to sort of move with your hand movements, not just stay in one place and stick out.

Since the trigger serves no other purpose than just having to press it, I always thought it should just be connected with a wire, not the huge old thing on a piece of metal like it's usually displayed. Just put a strap on the underside of the buttons to wrap around your hand. a wire or two with some layering would work better than a piece of metal like in the comics ;)

[<Mr.Spider>]

so...you mean like the trigger in the unused movie version?with..like a compression timer built in to send signals to the base unit?

[spiderman5080]

While you guys are trying to figure out a way to make web shooters, I found a way to climb on walls. All we need now is some web fulid. Go here:

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993785

[frankmckeever18]

I've seen that...but it's not on the market or anything. You can't buy it, and I doubt you can make it :(

[spiderman5080]

I think eventually it will be on the market. How much, I dont know. Hopefully not to much.

[chris moore]

Well the trigger could be two microswitches operating on the "AND" gate principle whereby both switches must have a "1" logic output in order for the switch inside the circuit to operate. That way both switches must be depressed to complete the circuit.
Or - one switch in the palm that completes the circuit as long as its depressed, thereby allowing firing. And one on the tip of the pinkie. This second trigger, when depressed breaks the circuit inside at a point before the gate of the first switch. That way, when ever the pinkie tip touches something and the switch is tripped, the palm trigger cant work anyway.
The palm trigger is on a wire that runs through a strip of thin rubber so its flexible and grounded

[<Mr.Spider>]

ah yes I see...I think we can really do this but as we all mentioned earlier we should probably take baby steps...so i figure we should solve one problem..then the next......and so forth,,,like making a puzzle you work on the corners first so it gives you a place to start...well, we need to find our corners ...er and ...uh gals.

[Socrates]

The trigger would need to be in a certain spot of your palm. I'll do some shots in paint to get my idea around.

[The_Symbiote]

Originally posted by spiderman5080
While you guys are trying to figure out a way to make web shooters, I found a way to climb on walls. All we need now is some web fulid. Go here:

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993785

I'd actually already read an article very similar to that in 9th grade. Better than the magnetic wall.

[<Mr.Spider>]

I read an intersting article on how scientist a trying to duplicate "actual" spider silk....I printed it and still have it...it probebly wont help us but it is an interesting read

[<Mr.Spider>]

what do you figure we should have the trigger made out of...are we going for electrical signals with switches or spring switch?

[imurme]

I too am wondering what you guys may be thinking about what could be used for the valve to release the pressure, it would have to be rather minature, and do you plan on an electric one (is there even anything like this) or manual, and how will to get it to work from the palm trigger?

images would help

[covenantwarlord]

your ideas are great, but i've noticed that with gecko gloves, spiderman suits, and if someone made working webshooters many people would try to mimic spiderman.

I saw on cnn the glove may come out in 5 years or so.

[<Mr.Spider>]

youd end up readin some weird obituaries huh.....but I think an elecrtical pressure release would work better than a manual..as weird as that sounds

[Socrates]

Err.....what about the formula, what about this? We don't need something to look like actual spider webbing, but something that we can use to lift at least 20-30 pounds or something like this....

[spolen23]

Forget about the formula for now, lets makes something that shoots, and then we can put anythin in it.

[The_Symbiote]

Originally posted by spolen23
Forget about the formula for now, lets makes something that shoots, and then we can put anythin in it.

I think that'd be the more favorable area of focus. We already got stuff that looks like webbing, we just need to shoot it.

[<Mr.Spider>]

something portable,something small,something fool proof..meaning you dont need a degree in biomechanics to fix it if something goes amiss

[<Mr.Spider>]

anyone?

[spolen23]

Hey guys, I have sent out feelers to a few people with engineering backgrounds to help with design and fabrication. How many of you would buy one if we succeed and what would you expect to pay for a working accurate representation of a web shooter?

[<Mr.Spider>]

I would buy one...but nothin over 50 bucks.....can you describe what you mean by "feelers"?
And I would would be happy to contribute anyway I can

[spiderman5080]

Originally posted by <Mr.Spider>
I would buy one...but nothin over 50 bucks.....can you describe what you mean by "feelers"?
And I would would be happy to contribute anyway I can

Same here

[Nicklogic]

Originally posted by spolen23
sorry, here is the concept drawing

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v341/spolen23/ws1.jpg

this is interesting.

Gives me ambition to try something like this
:)

[Nicklogic]

Originally posted by <Mr.Spider>
youd end up readin some weird obituaries huh.....but I think an elecrtical pressure release would work better than a manual..as weird as that sounds

would the electrical release "ignite" anything shooting out? Just checking for safety reasons

[I'm Spider-Man!]

Originally posted by spolen23
Hey guys, I have sent out feelers to a few people with engineering backgrounds to help with design and fabrication. How many of you would buy one if we succeed and what would you expect to pay for a working accurate representation of a web shooter?


I would buy two. Gotta have one on each wrist.

:spidey:

[Shonkie]

the thing with making webshooters is that making the actual mechanism to shoot out the webbing fluid would be easier than actually figuring out how to make web fluid that would actually be sturdy enuff to swing with i think

[frankmckeever18]

spolen ~

Your design is similar to mine, with a view varying ideas. Although, how do you plan on getting the tubing to pass through the CO2 catridge? This would be hard, as you'll also have to replace the catridges after every 4 or 5 shots from the shooter.

[spolen23]

Ok, for the last time, we are not trying to swing from anything. These are shooters for looks only, something that shoots a liquid (most likely water, which is not flamable) in a long thin stream to look like webbing. Maybe even the cobweb fluid would work. I am talking about a working prop here, not a real webshooter you can swing from. If you think that, go back to bed and keep dreaming.

[spolen23]

The tubing does not pass throught the cartridge.

[<Mr.Spider>]

I think frank was talking about the your design sketch on the other page

[spolen23]

I know, the tubing goes underneath.

[Nicklogic]

Originally posted by spolen23
Ok, for the last time, we are not trying to swing from anything. These are shooters for looks only, something that shoots a liquid (most likely water, which is not flamable) in a long thin stream to look like webbing. Maybe even the cobweb fluid would work. I am talking about a working prop here, not a real webshooter you can swing from. If you think that, go back to bed and keep dreaming.

One could only wish ;)

[peterparker0077]

I am a mechanical engineer... whatcha need?


by reading alot of these post, sound like you need take apart some pellet or paint ball guns and start experimenting with their parts and neumatics. its possible, water would be the best thing to start with. the only thing is, you could never fit enough water around your wrist to fire more than one good shot. but dont let that stop you.

[<Mr.Spider>]

I've always thought that the mechanics behind a paintball gun would help me to undertsand the workings a bit better.....I just never had enough time to look into it....that might be the best place to start.

[frankmckeever18]

spolen ~

There's no need for you to be such a f *cking prick about it. In fact, I never even SAID we were swinging from it. Am I not even allowed to make a statement anymore or show interest in your damn designs?

Get your head out of your @$$ dude.

[spolen23]

other people were talking like that, i never said it was you, don't be so defensive

[spolen23]

Originally posted by Shonkie
the thing with making webshooters is that making the actual mechanism to shoot out the webbing fluid would be easier than actually figuring out how to make web fluid that would actually be sturdy enuff to swing with i think

Duh!

[frankmckeever18]

*sigh*

Is something bothering you man? You weren't acting like this towards everyone before...:o

[Nicklogic]

Originally posted by <Mr.Spider>
I've always thought that the mechanics behind a paintball gun would help me to undertsand the workings a bit better.....I just never had enough time to look into it....that might be the best place to start.

interesting idea.

[Kyodai]

I was reading over this thread, and thought I might be able to offer some help.

As some of you may know, you actually can purchase web fluid...it's used to make realistic cobwebs for movies and special effects (though it's certiainly nothing that could support weight).
Here's a link: http://www.terrorbydesign.com/cgi-bin/quikstore.cgi?category=Special_Effects_Tools_1

Furthermore, while most "web-spinners" seem to use centrifugal force to spread the webs, it is possible to shoot them using compressed air. This page has a web gun, made from a modified glue gun, and there's even a link to build your own:
http://www.yardhaunter.com/halloween_cobwebs.html

I'm thinking the best bet for a Spidey web-shooter would be to rig up something that uses CO2 catridges to launch streams of web fluid (from the first link above, as it doesn't require heat). You might even be able to come up with some sort of adjustable nozzle system for different kinds of webs.

[<Mr.Spider>]

wow thats awsome , thanks for the links

[frankmckeever18]

The only problem with those is that you need to have an air compressor and a power source to use it, thus meaning you can't make it wrist mounted. Although, I'm sure there's a way you could rig something like that and use a CO2 cartridge.

I think I pretty much have this figured out on how I could make one myself, but I'd need that web fluid and small containers to hold it in (about the size of a CO2)...

[Viller]

Originally posted by frankmckeever18
The only problem with those is that you need to have an air compressor and a power source to use it, thus meaning you can't make it wrist mounted. Although, I'm sure there's a way you could rig something like that and use a CO2 cartridge.

I think I pretty much have this figured out on how I could make one myself, but I'd need that web fluid and small containers to hold it in (about the size of a CO2)...

You dont seem to read anything are you? That glue guns uses 100 PSI for its pressure... CO2 is 800PSI, youd probably lose a hand trying to fire that with CO2...

[spolen23]

that's the problem i am having now. I am afraid to put together something that might blow up in my face. I want to make sure something is safe and done the right way, different hoses and fittings are rated for different psi's. Spidey wouldn't look good if he had no fingers.

[webslinger922]

Your absolutely correct about loosing a finger, maybe even the whole hand, or posibly death! You have to be very careful with compressed air or compressed co2, If you were to inject yourself you need to get immediate medical attention! Heres why, air can be forced into the tissues or the blood stream through the skin. Air which enters the bloodstream is known as an air embolism and can be very dangerous if it reaches the heart, lungs or brain. This could cause death. Don't take this too lightly.

[<Mr.Spider>]

wow...thats never crossed my mind before...see kids this is why its good to get ideas and theorize and deem them safe and reliable so as not to blow your hand off...or other..extremities...hmm....I might have to rework some of my earlier configurations..oh well live and learn.

[Kyodai]

It should be obvious that you wouldn't use only CO2 cartridges, though...paintball guns, for instance, are designed to regulate the air pressure, keeping it at relatively consistent and safe levels. You wouldn't want to try building something like that without a decent level of expertise, though.

[frankmckeever18]

Hmm...

Actually, I don't think it would blow up in your face. I already own a shooter that I designed myself using CO2 catridges and tubing...and it doesn't blow up in my face :o

[chris moore]

Originally posted by frankmckeever18
Hmm...

Actually, I don't think it would blow up in your face. I already own a shooter that I designed myself using CO2 catridges and tubing...and it doesn't blow up in my face :o

Post a pic of it man! You cant just claim you've made a working webshooter that encompasses the most thought about concept of this thread (CO2 cartridges) and not show us what it looks like

[spolen23]

I think he has a pic of it on his movie website.

[frankmckeever18]

I've had this designed and working for MONTHS. I've made posts about it, but no one ever seemed interested in listening to what I had to say.

http://www.geocities.com/usmfanfilm/props.html

Yes, it works, and yes, it shoots STRING (140 lb. test fishing line) which must be fed through the tube. I've designed a new one that shoots out the "Web Formula", and is in catridges, so you don't have to do too much work. I still need to purchase the materials for that, so I don't have pictures as of yet.

[<Mr.Spider>]

what do you mean exactly by this "web formula" you speak of..like whats it comprised of?

[frankmckeever18]

I'm only talking about taking the "web formula" found on that Halloween page with the "Cob-web Shooter". We could probably use that, but in a smaller container...

[chris moore]

Frank - looks pretty good man. Of course I dont recognise pretty much everything in the pic as I'm no engineer, just a biologist. Where is the trigger though? The caption says that the nitrous can fires when the trigger is pushed but there doesnt seem to be one unless tapping on the cable thing just on the edge of your palm is the trigger.
Could you explain its workings a bit please?

[spolen23]

the trigger is on the co2 on his hip. you have to use your other hand to release the co2. His was for his movie, which I am sure worked well. Frank do you have any footage of it working that you could make a small quicktime movie and post that, I would love to see it in action.

[<Mr.Spider>]

Brainstorming time guys....so..what we have is the basis for a woking "webshooter" ...now heres the thought for the day based on what we've read on tha last couple posts...what do you think we can do to make a trigger on the palm?....(as opposed to a hip based trigger) ( no offense) (if given)

[frankmckeever18]

No offense taken. I can't really post a video of it since I don't have a digital camcorder, but like I said, I'm working on something new. The new design I have has the button on the wrist. It's an on/off regulator which must be twisted with the other hand at the moment, but I haven't come up with anything better than that right now.

Spiderman Yetter said he'd help fund me, so this might be able to get on track soon if I can get all of the parts ordered. In order for me to get this to work properly, I'll need about $120 :( Although, I know everything I need to get, so it's just a matter of having the money in-hand.

[webslinger922]

I finally saw your web shooter pics, I hav a question about the CO2 cartridge you have on your hip, What was it originally used with ? Ive seen several different types of co2 cartridges and their firing mechinisims, but I missed that type. How many gram cartridge are you using? Thanks Lon

[frankmckeever18]

It was actually a setup for a Nitrous kit on cars (called the Nitrous Connection Cheater Kit). Instead, I purchased two on ebay (one for the car, and one for this). I'm not sure what the sizes are, but it's smaller than the 12 gram co2s. My new one will use 12 gram cartridges though.

[spolen23]

Guess everyone is giving up....

[<Mr.Spider>]

not me

[frankmckeever18]

Nope!

Within about three weeks I hope to be finished with my first shooter model. I'll have pictures and all of the information posted as soon as it's done. :)

[<Mr.Spider>]

alright...I look forward to seeing your product


I aswell am currently working on a " spinneret " shooter that goes about the same principle as your co2 shooters...except....with a spinneret......still working out the kinks though....working on ideas for different nozzles...for diff. spray types.

[spolen23]

me too! i hope to have something soon also

[Shonkie]

oooh this sounds so kickass :-P id love to get a pair and take em to school and just pick a fight and ruin their shirt with...web fluid.....lol

[<Mr.Spider>]

any thing new?

[hanielroswell]

yeash, anything new? i love the idea of having a real working webshooter. i'm tired of flining my wrist out and pretending webbing are coming out of it;)

peace be with you all my friend.

haniel roswell

[<Mr.Spider>]

with the recent video of franks "webshooters" in action...we now know what we have a to work with....so...the questions we need to ask are..How do we make the device fire using a palm trigger?......will the "webfluid" thats used for halloween decor. work in this device?...any input guys.......or gals?

by the way...great job frank...very cool test videos :up:

[Autolycus]

We can't let this thread die!! We all need to pull together and build this machine!

[frankmckeever18]

Thanks man! My plan for the wrist-mounted shooter is to put an on/off valve on the wrist. Although, you have to twist it open with the other hand - it's not a push button with your fingers sadly.

I've had a few people that said they would fund the project and things seemed to be going good, but now I haven't heard back from them...

[Autolycus]

What you need then is enough tension (Spring) behind the "twist switch" so you can use a push button switch. Hook up the push switch with high gauge wire, to the "twist". It should take some force to open the value, but that's good (For safety). After release, it should close shut.
-- Just made this --
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/808644/WebJPG.JPG

[Autolycus]

Or just use a mini-solenoid. That would work like a charm. I've used the "twist" one about four years ago, but it's time for the solenoid.

[<Mr.Spider>]

Wow ..interesting theories Auto......very interesting indeed....

[Xeno]

Wow ! Auto, great theories. Has anyone thought of using the toy webshooter solution and putting it in a smaller canister ? It might work.

[Autolycus]

Thank you both! I have indeed Xeno. Doesn't work well. Just because of the low PSI. Other than that, its a fine idea. Like I said about the tension switch. That works and all, but too many things went wrong at the time. Now, with the solenoid. It will work. Why? Because it's an 'In and out' system. You hit the electric palm switch, that turns the 2-Way Normally Closed solenoid on, and BAM! You got CO2 through the nozzle. I am ordering a Mini-Solenoid. Very, very lite weight (Only a few grams). And super small. It's a 2-way normally closed (Which means its closed till powered). Hopefully I'll be done before next month, just because of work- errr, need new job. I just need to plan out the fluid containers and we should be good to go. And maybe I should think out the CO2 thing more. Not sure about the regulator thing. I'll be using the 12g CO2 for now. But may take off with a Frank - belt idea. Hope more of you come back. Could use some input with the containers. Be safe all.

[Spider_man01]

Originally posted by frankmckeever18
I've had this designed and working for MONTHS. I've made posts about it, but no one ever seemed interested in listening to what I had to say.

http://www.geocities.com/usmfanfilm/props.html

Yes, it works, and yes, it shoots STRING (140 lb. test fishing line) which must be fed through the tube. I've designed a new one that shoots out the "Web Formula", and is in catridges, so you don't have to do too much work. I still need to purchase the materials for that, so I don't have pictures as of yet.

are you selling any? I would buy!!!!

[spolen23]

Where are you ordering the solenoid from? Do you have a part number and such? i would like to see it.

[Spider_man01]

^who are you talking to? :)

[spolen23]

Autolycus...

[frankmckeever18]

spider_man01 ~ Sorry, I'm not selling it :p

[Glsmatt-Spider]

Boooo...lol.

[Glsmatt-Spider]

Nice job on the webshooter Frank

[frankmckeever18]

Thanks bud :)

[Xeno]

I figured the best webbing solution. Chewed Gum. It works real well !

[<Mr.Spider>]

mmmmmmmmmm.....strawberry:D

[Xeno]

Nah, I was thinking more of the minty side to get white color. :D

[<Mr.Spider>]

Peppermint or Wintergreen? :p

[Xeno]

Peppermint for the nice white look

[Spider_man01]

lol.... hee hee

[ultyspidey]

wat happened to this thread has anybody made areal working webshooter yet?¿ :huh:

[fjmckeever20]

Whoa! Back from the dead. frankmckeever18 was my old name.

I really gotta stop changing names so much. maybe people would recognize me for once. lol

[spidey4fun]

I love this page...it makes me laugh..... :) ... but hey... in 1968 man had never stood on the moon....so anything is possible.

[ultyspidey]

wtf happened to this thread?

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

This sure brings back memories. :rolleyes:

[dariu3z]

Frank mckeever are you still shooting the movie when can we see it and now to the webshooter i have couple of pictures of ditcos designed webshooter i'l post the its wit explenations it could help
P.S. cant wait to see your film

[dariu3z]

here they are http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman00222li2.jpg
http://img45.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman00225pl7.jpg

[dariu3z]

here they are http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman00222li2.jpg
http://img45.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman00225pl7.jpg
and as i allready said melted spider-web could be the answer to the secret web formula to keep the web liquid you have to put it to a vacume tank for it not to harden

[KidScience]

Sorry for posting to late but can I please jump in This is an interesting subject !! Please reply if I'm not on Thank you !

[<Mr.Spider>]

wow is this thread old .... you know... I was actually thinking about this thread like a week ago wondering what happened to it... lol

[Spectacular23]

hmm cool thread! MAde me laugh. hehe. Hope it can come back to life.:woot:

[Spectacular23]

i know you guys are trying to make your own shooter but i was thinking that you could use a very small motor instead of a CO2 tube but put a special casting ontop of it and the batteries for shock proof and no electrical shortage. It'll lokk something like this:

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5856/webshootercloseupcompx8ci1.th.jpg (http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=webshootercloseupcompx8ci1.jpg)http://img80.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

The one on the right is the fake prop but notice the red motor is kinda the same on the one on the left except smaller. It'll work a little faster than the Co2 if you ask me.

[StanLee Wannabe]

Once I get my Hulk suit done and my Wolverine claws done, this is what I'll tackle.

It's really not impossible at all. Really only needs a few things:

1. The formula for silly string or a way to get silly string into a different container than what they come in now.

2. A web-fluid container that's more low-profile and hideable.

3. A way to spin the web at its tip. The current webshooters available at Kids-R-Us has this down cold, it's just way too big. The output really looks wicked. Looks just like spidey webs.

Easier said than done though. I'm sure there are alternative ways of making something that works.

If you read the page on "How Silly String Works" you'll notice that the stickyness and tensile strength comes from the amounts of certain ingredients. I'm betting if you changed the formula you could get it stronger or stickier ;)

[SpeterMan3]

Anybody see this?
http://www.impactlab.com/2007/06/02/nanoglue-could-be-used-to-make-spiderman-web-shooters/

[spidermilk]

Once I get my Hulk suit done and my Wolverine claws done, this is what I'll tackle.

It's really not impossible at all. Really only needs a few things:

1. The formula for silly string or a way to get silly string into a different container than what they come in now.

2. A web-fluid container that's more low-profile and hideable.

3. A way to spin the web at its tip. The current webshooters available at Kids-R-Us has this down cold, it's just way too big. The output really looks wicked. Looks just like spidey webs.

Easier said than done though. I'm sure there are alternative ways of making something that works.

If you read the page on "How Silly String Works" you'll notice that the stickyness and tensile strength comes from the amounts of certain ingredients. I'm betting if you changed the formula you could get it stronger or stickier ;)


How far have you got with this Stanlee...any progress yet?