The Sound of Hellfire? (Ghost Rider's Voice) [Archive]

FlameHead

07-11-2004, 04:59 AM

With the movie finally being released in a couple of years, I guess I'll finally get a life long question answered; what does hellfire sound like?

For those who are not in the know, hellfire is what surrounds Ghost Rider. It's not like any fire known on earth and it's from another dimension... and most definaly must have a different sound.

Now, I'm not so much refering to the sound of the fire burning itself (which is going to be hard to do on screen becuse it may be distracting.. unless they use a soundless burn) as Ghost Rider's Firey voice. Those who know Ghost Rider know that he had his words written is a special flaming box. A box which resounded to me power and fear. Ghost Rider's voice is one of the keys to the success of this film.

And....discuss.

WarBlade

07-11-2004, 06:18 AM

There was a mention of how he sounded somewhere in the comicbook (Dan Ketch days) which spoke of his voice being something like a rasping fire . . . I wish I could recall exactly, but all I have is the sound that the phrase sparked in my imagination. The sound effects team working on Fellowship of the Ring actually gave voice to something very similar, making it easy to suggest the sound of Ghost Rider's voice could be a mix of three parts: A recorded voice, a throaty bonfire and a cobblestone dragged on concrete. Unlike the Balrog's roar, I imagine the effects on Ghost Rider's voice as being far more subtle, especially seeing as it would make a frequent part of the audio mix, but enough to give us the "wow" factor that most of us want.

BIGGUN

07-11-2004, 11:50 AM

i read a long time ago that there might be voices of "humans wailing in agony" in the background for the fire effects that surround GR. would be very faint though. the sound of a howling wind or raging fire would help too

for the voice ive always imagined it as being sounding very ticked off....but the voice would be very rough and maybe sound something like the corpse from the short "fathers day" in george romeroes early 80s flick "creepshow". and give the voice a complete surround sound effect as well.

3dman27

07-12-2004, 05:08 AM

maybe it'll sound like two voices in unision

like the ghost did in the animated iron man armor wars episode? maybe a spooky echoing voice is in order as to the hellfire flames i think they'll be silent :ghost: :ghost:

FlameHead

07-13-2004, 11:23 AM

Wow... I start a thread and just forget about? Geesh.

Originally posted by WarBlade
Unlike the Balrog's roar, I imagine the effects on Ghost Rider's voice as being far more subtle, especially seeing as it would make a frequent part of the audio mix, but enough to give us the "wow" factor that most of us want.

I'm not sure how subte it should be. I mean, I would much rather have the Balrog's roar than the soundless blue fames in Hellboy... no matter how distracting it would be.

Originally posted by BIGGUN
...for the voice ive always imagined it as being sounding very ticked off...

Of course he's ticked off. His only purpose is to hunt down and punish those who spill the blood of innocents. I'm sure he enjoys his work... just not enough to make him smile.

Originally posted by MarvelMovies
As long as they don't go the "Hulk cartoon 90s cheesy voice" that Ghost Rider had in the show..

That didn't strike fear sound like rasping fire, or humans wailing or anything..

Sounded like a mouse with a bad muffler or something..

I didn't even know Ghost Rider was in the Hulk cartoon. I thought that this film incarnation would be the first time we would actually hear Ghost Rider. Damn, I got to get my hands on that. Muffler Mouse sounds hilarious!

Originally posted by 3dman27
maybe it'll sound like two voices in unision

That's a sound idea... as long as neither one of those voices is Nic Cages. If they make the voice of Ghost Rider the same as the voice of Johnny, I'll shoot someone.... in the foot.

FlameHead

07-14-2004, 03:38 AM

... ah yes, eventually. I know all about the eventually. I have far to many eventually. Trust me, the 2nd thing on my list of things to do is quit procrastinating. I kid, I kid. There's just not enough time in the day is there?

spideyboy_1111

07-14-2004, 04:24 PM

ghost rider will be sweet.. im excited

FlameHead

07-15-2004, 01:59 AM

As many of us are. To a point where I'll bust if this get's delayed anymore.

Kable24

07-15-2004, 03:51 AM

I saw a movie once and I can't think of what it was where the character when he would talk you'd hear a little bit before and then he would actually say it and then it would trail off. I wish I could remember the movie it was from. It was a cool creepy effect.

WarBlade

07-15-2004, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by Kable24
I saw a movie once and I can't think of what it was where the character when he would talk you'd hear a little bit before and then he would actually say it and then it would trail off. I wish I could remember the movie it was from. It was a cool creepy effect.

"Preverb"

You take a straight dialogue track, run it forwards as per usual and use it to generate a standard reverb track, then you run the dialogue backwards and record another reverb track from it and finally add the two reverb tracks along with the original sound.

You hear effects like that on inventive music albums sometimes. I know there's an example in Anthrax's Sound of White Noise on track 1 nearly a minute in. Queensryche applied a similar idea with about a 1 second delay in their song "Empire" in one place.

You're right though. The otherworldly result of putting a reversed reverb effect on voice could be quite effective for Ghost Rider.

FlameHead

07-16-2004, 01:43 AM

WarBlade, you are a man of many answers. Well said my friend...
... If I had any idea what all that mean't in english I probably would try to mock up a few samples. I have an intimate knowledge of a few sound programs.

WarBlade

07-18-2004, 01:41 AM

Well it's quite simple really. Every sound has an attack and a decay. If you dive under a pile of blankets and snap your fingers the sound is muted and most of what you hear is just the finger snap. If you walk into a tiled bathroom and snap your fingers you get a series of room reverberations and slap back echoes.

You can also simply record a finger snap simulate those bathroom reverbs electronically, and there's the key. Normally you just run the sound and attach a reverb effect and you're done. Under normal circumstances you hear the sound and then you hear the reverb following. The thing that Kable24 was referring to however is hearing those reverbs occuring before the sound itself and to do that you just run the sound backwards, add the reverb, then run it forwards again.

FlameHead

07-20-2004, 10:35 AM

Ahhh... makes sense when you say it that way. When you're using a program to create music or sound effects, you don't really know how it works. You just press a button or turn a nob and the sound changes.

All I know is that it sure is going to be stressful on the creative team for this one. I mean, that voice has to be perfect.

Kable24

07-20-2004, 11:44 AM

It'll probably be Frank Welker doing it with his Malebolgia/Shao Kahn/every monster movie voice he has ever done. If Nic Cage is Johnny Blaze then they should augment his voice as Ghost Rider.

FlameHead

07-20-2004, 01:38 PM

I disagree. Ghost Rider and Johnny Blaze are two different beings. There is no way that Ghost Rider should sound like Nic Cage in any way. I don't care how much reverb there is.

FlameHead

10-28-2004, 01:25 AM

It's getting close until we finally find out.

3dman27

10-28-2004, 05:05 AM

Wow... I start a thread and just forget about? Geesh.

I didn't even know Ghost Rider was in the Hulk cartoon. I thought that this film incarnation would be the first time we would actually hear Ghost Rider. Damn, I got to get my hands on that.
the hulk episode in question is titled innocent blood it aired on the recent legends unite marvel marathon on abc family if you know someone who taped that you might be in luck :ghost:

Hunter Rider

10-28-2004, 07:19 AM

You could probably catch it on Fox kids as they rerun the Marvel cartoons over and over:)

3dman27

10-28-2004, 07:45 AM

actually hunter rider it's been abc family for ayear or two now

FlameHead

10-29-2004, 05:49 AM

the hulk episode in question is titled innocent blood it aired on the recent legends unite marvel marathon on abc family if you know someone who taped that you might be in luck :ghost:

Now that I know the title of the episode (and I thank you for that) I'll just try and download it. I don't have cable, so I wouldn't be able to see it that way.

Thanks!

3dman27

10-29-2004, 06:29 AM

you're welcome, maybe you could ask around to see if any of your fiends has it on tape :ghost: :ghost:

FlameHead

10-29-2004, 07:35 AM

Not many of my friends are as interested in comics and such as I am... and I know they don't have it.

Uzumaki_Naruto

10-30-2004, 09:57 AM

I taped it... along with the rest of the marathon. it was pretty disappointing. heavy on hulk, spider-man, and the fantastic four. they didn't even touch the iron man or x-men cartoons

3dman27

10-30-2004, 03:45 PM

they could have used the "old soldiers story from x-menlogasans team up with captain america istead of half the daredevil spider-man team up

FlameHead

10-31-2004, 12:22 AM

So, I mentioned Balrog in another thread... do you think ol' Ghosty will sould like that sorta?

badash55

10-31-2004, 10:48 PM

Title explains it all. Personally, I can see it working, although people might find it comical if he was able to pronounciate certain words without lips, but then again he is a supernatural entity. Of course, it might be cooler if he didn't speak since it would make him much more mysterious and menacing. So what are your guy's thoughts?

Morg

10-31-2004, 10:51 PM

Hell yes he should speak, we don't need a mute GR :rolleyes:

BIGGUN

10-31-2004, 11:09 PM

Im all for him talking.....ive been waiting since 1978 to know what he sounds like! and no the cartoon appearance on the 90s Hulk series is not acceptable...he sounded like a wimp w/ reverb.
i dont want him as a chatterbox though...he would be more effective if he spoke only a few times. after all...he needs to say something so Toy Biz can make those electronic/talking Ghost Rider figures...heh

i am hoping that he wont sound anything like Cage...in other words they will disguise his voice so much you cant tell who is behind it.

FlameHead

11-01-2004, 10:05 AM

Exactly. What has to be let know, in all ways, is that Blaze and Ghost Rider and two different beings.

I need to hear these words before I die; "Vengeance will be mine". Yes. He has to speak, lips or no lips.

Nero_Ordin

11-01-2004, 10:58 AM

ghost rider talking is creepy and awesome.

MutantCircus

11-01-2004, 04:07 PM

Hell yes he should speak!

Isildur´s Heir

11-01-2004, 04:21 PM

He should speak, of course he should.
But i hope he doesn´t speak much.

Isildur´s Heir

11-01-2004, 05:21 PM

He's not like the Hulk..

Where he's a dumb.. well.. Hulk of a thing, that doesn't have a brain..

He should and I hope he will definitely talk..
I´m sorry, but Hulk is not dumb...he is simple minded.
And he does have a brain, how could he not, he is physical manifestation of Banner´s repressed feelings.

As for how much should GR talk...more or less what the Hulk does in the comics, not more, and i mean the early Green One.

DarkKnightJRK

11-01-2004, 05:22 PM

I need to hear these words before I die; "Vengeance will be mine". Yes. He has to speak, lips or no lips.

That sounds awesome. :up:

logan_weapon_x

11-01-2004, 05:25 PM

Im all for him talking.....ive been waiting since 1978 to know what he sounds like!

And to think, who woulda thought he'd sound like Nic Cage :confused:

logan_weapon_x

11-01-2004, 05:26 PM

I need to hear these words before I die; "Vengeance will be mine". Yes. He has to speak, lips or no lips.

Thats a punisher line or a variation of one - "Vengance is mine!"

LastSunrise1981

11-01-2004, 05:49 PM

And to think, who woulda thought he'd sound like Nic Cage :confused:

I think they should use a darker version of Nic Cages voice. Nic could do the talking; however, with technology and recording the way it is today you could make Nic's voice almost demonic like you know? And I don't think Nic is capable of sounding like a possessed being, so I think they should just record Nic's voice and touch it up with darker production/sounds.

The Flash

11-01-2004, 06:05 PM

Oh yeah! Ghost Rider should definately speak. It's suck if he didn't. Make his voice sound deep and dark. :ghost:

FlameHead

11-01-2004, 11:19 PM

And to think, who woulda thought he'd sound like Nic Cage :confused:

Again, Nic Cage is not Ghost Rider. He is Johnny Blaze. Flameface does not sound like Johnny Blaze. Get with it man; he didn't have the flame covered speech ballons, now did he?

Thats a punisher line or a variation of one - "Vengance is mine!"

Actually, it's a Ghost Rider line. It was almost said far too much in the early issues of 2nd Ghost Rider. It just happens to sound like a Punisher line. Who would have thunk; two vengeance driven anti-heros with a similar line?

Balthus Dire

11-01-2004, 11:34 PM

The old Toybiz talking Punisher used to say "Vengence is mine!"

Then when he went low on batteries he kinda said "Wengen ssss mnnnn"

Razorbat

11-01-2004, 11:44 PM

The voice should sound rather disembodied and hollow, like he doesn't even have to open his mouth to speak. Being a flaming skeleton, it's not like he'll be using human anatomy to affect speech anyway.

FlameHead

11-02-2004, 04:56 AM

I think we can suspend a little disbelief in his talking. I mean, he is a flaming hell demon wearing biker outfits. We don't really need to know how he talks without vocal equiptment.

The old Toybiz talking Punisher used to say "Vengence is mine!"

Yeah, GR said that too... after the Vengeance had been dished out... or was just about to be.

Creature SH

11-02-2004, 04:57 AM

Has anyone here played "Legacy of Kain: Defiance" ?
The distortion they use on hylden-possesion would work nicely with a few tweaks.

logan_weapon_x

11-02-2004, 05:08 PM

The old Toybiz talking Punisher used to say "Vengence is mine!"

Then when he went low on batteries he kinda said "Wengen ssss mnnnn"

Yeah thats where i got it from. I still got the figure. I had a hulk one too.

logan_weapon_x

11-02-2004, 05:08 PM

Again, Nic Cage is not Ghost Rider. He is Johnny Blaze. Flameface does not sound like Johnny Blaze. Get with it man; he didn't have the flame covered speech ballons, now did he?

I didn't used to read Ghost Rider.

cryptic name

11-02-2004, 08:48 PM

if he speaks it should be sparingly, and make us wait so the voice will take us off gaurd

FlameHead

11-02-2004, 11:44 PM

Nope, haven't played it. Would like to hear what you're talking about though.

FlameHead

11-03-2004, 12:04 AM

I don't want to wait very long to hear him speak. I have a feeling it'll be long enough into the movie before we see Ghost Rider. I don't want to wait more to hear him.

I didn't used to read Ghost Rider.

Oh. Okay. You should have.

CaptainStacy

11-03-2004, 05:35 PM

He DEFINITELY should speak! Personally, i liked the way he sounded on the Hulk and FF toons, myself....kind of low and echoey...

They can explain his "voice" as a psionic ability, that sort of appears in people's heads or some such.

logan_weapon_x

11-03-2004, 05:39 PM

I don't want to wait very long to hear him speak. I have a feeling it'll be long enough into the movie before we see Ghost Rider. I don't want to wait more to hear him.

Oh. Okay. You should have.

I've got one issue of the marvel knights series that i got in a comic bundle.

FlameHead

11-04-2004, 06:57 AM

Burn it. It's not worth the paper it's printed on. Stupid story and a bad representation of our favorite hero.

logan_weapon_x

11-04-2004, 06:59 AM

I actually only bought the pack cause it had Thor#1 and Punisher: Eurohit and only cost $4.

ViscaBarcaInter

11-04-2004, 09:56 AM

That projecting his voice into people's heads sounds cool. Would he even need to move his mouth to speak? I can imagine him with an evil looking grin as whatever poor fool is about to get Penance Stare-d to death (metaphorically of course) hears the "vengeance will be mine!" line, and he would "hear" it in his mind.

Kung Fu master

11-04-2004, 12:00 PM

He should say something like "She sells seashells by the seashore!" and then he should giggle like a stoned-out laughing boy when he stumbles over it.

Kung Fu master

11-04-2004, 12:01 PM

I think if Nic Cage did his voice, Ghost Rider would end up sounding like Frank the Bunny from Donnie Darko. It might be best to get a different voice.

The Navigator

11-04-2004, 06:35 PM

Dub in James Earl Jones, but yes, have him speak. What's the point of a superhero who can't talk? *cough*HULK*cough*

CaptainStacy

11-04-2004, 07:09 PM

Exactly! I think that was one of the most disapointing aspects of the Hulk movie; He didn't talk....

No "Leave Hulk alone", no "Hulk smash", no "Betty safe?"....nothing.

We DID get a "puny human", but it was a dream sequence.
I guess we technically got a "take it ALL!!" or whatever, but that's it.

Yeah, Ghost Rider really needs to speak.

The Navigator

11-04-2004, 07:15 PM

I never saw the movie, but it sounded dull when it came out and then worse since. :(

Don't make the same mistake with Ghost Rider, peoples....:ghostrider:

Kung Fu master

11-04-2004, 08:41 PM

Oh, definitely see the movie. You might find yourself slightly bored at times but it is by no means terrible I liked it a lot

The Navigator

11-04-2004, 09:01 PM

Oh, OK.

Kung Fu master

11-04-2004, 10:45 PM

and if you don't like then... well... damn you

but seriously you don't have to take it at my word, I don't know your tastes.

And to get the thread back on topic: Who has a cool voice that could do Ghost Rider?

CaptainStacy

11-05-2004, 02:13 PM

Well, Richard Grieco did well on the FF and Hulk toons...

FlameHead

11-06-2004, 12:15 AM

I'm pretty sure they'll digitize it is some way anyway. I doubt he'll have a human sounding voice at all.

I highly doubt he'll speak that much either. We'll get a few lines, but that's about it. I really can't see him having any real conversation... but I just know know how they're making this movie yet. It's hard to picture the outcome right now.

Creature SH

11-23-2004, 05:52 PM

D'OH !
I entirely forgot about this topic. Sorry !
Here's an audio sample, for anyone who's still interested.
(Contains incomprehensible/minor spoilers for the game)

Click DOWNLOAD: Hylden.mp3 at this site (http://ezshare.de/files-en/93149/hylden.mp3.html)

FlameHead

11-24-2004, 08:26 AM

This should be moved too the Ghost Rider Forum, please.

I don't know what think about what I just heard...

Creature SH

11-24-2004, 10:30 PM

Hmmm... Well, the sound does lose a little bit with lowered quality.

But what I mean to count is the template. Just a bit of distortion and slight pre- and reverb. I think doing more would get old fast.

FlameHead

11-24-2004, 11:55 PM

I was mainly referring to the voice itself. It was far too human. I like the distortion and reverb but it just wasn't demon enough. I'm sure they'll do far better than that in the film... hopefully.

The more I think about it, the more I think they'll just frig around with Nic's voice. As much as I was against that before (knowing that Ghost Rider is a different entity) I'm thinking it makes sense to let Cage have the lines. If not, his role in the film is cut even more. I'm interested to see what they plan for this...

Thanks for posting that, by the way. I didn't thank you the first time...

InVictus

02-21-2005, 03:52 AM

How do you think it will be portrayed in the movie?
I mean, in GR I it seems to me he "speaked" actually moving jaw, and the normal text bubbles were the same of Blaze, the difference was in the tone of speak (more imperative, ecc).
In GR II the black flaming engulfed bubbles made his words like they were coming straight from hell; i always imagined a riverbering, deep tone with echoes, (that was one of the coolest thing of the comic imho). And i think that because the skull was actually more realistic, the jaw opening wasn't in pair with text bubbles, meaning his words were sort of a telepatic communication. It would be a little ridiculous see his jaw muttering every word like a sock puppet...
Cgi orbital bones deformation would communicate quite some "expression", but jaw/mascellar bones deformation would look too cartonish...

WarBlade

02-21-2005, 04:32 AM

If it was me calling the shots on this one:

Visuals: I'd go with moving the jaw a bit, consistant with natural human jaw movements and then layer in some flame as spectral lips that come and go, much like the layered facial behaviour of the dead king in Return of the King. Without occasional reminders of lips form the word, a jaw moving alone would look silly.

Sound: Blend in the sound of a cinderblock being dragged along concrete, pitch shifted well down, to texture the voice. Experiment a bit with some very subtle preverbs and reverbs, to give the voice a faintly ethereal quality.

FlameHead

02-21-2005, 09:16 AM

If Ghost Rider is going to talk, I think the mouth has to move somewhat. Although your fears of it being like a puppet are genuine, I think it would be worse to have people try and guess where the voice is coming from.

Ghost Rider's voice was discussed quite a bit in the following thread... if you're interested.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146347

We also have a sound of Hellfire thread that discussed this topic as well.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126593

I'll probably get them merged into one in the future... if they'll let me.

InVictus

02-21-2005, 10:48 AM

Ouch, i didn't check, sorry & thank you.

FlameHead

02-21-2005, 11:52 AM

No need to apolgize.

I like buggin' the mods about getting stuff Merged anyhow. Hehe. They're gonna boot me off the site soon.

Uncanny Orb

02-22-2005, 05:20 AM

Well I hope he speaks a bit, perhaps he could speak directly into people minds. I just can't pictire a skull talking, and I've actually pondered this for years. What I would like to see is a scene where he becomes so frustrated or enraged that he gives out an unearthy shriek and goes nuts or even does it at the beginning of a chase scene.(If there is one).

FlameHead

02-23-2005, 02:41 AM

I wonder how much they're gonna animate the skull actually. In the comics, his bone structure took on the emotion that he was in. He looked angry when he was angry. I wonder will they do that in the flick. Probably doubtfull... you can get away with that sort of thing in comcs easier.

This makes me wonder how the skull is going to look. Maybe they have it so that bit of his flesh are still hangin, burning, in places. Places where they can animate it so that he looks more natural when speaking. Or maybe he'll be like a zombie skull on fire, not a complete skelaton... is that possible?

I've travelled away from the sound stuff... um... I really hope he speaks...

Uncanny Orb

02-23-2005, 04:48 AM

I think just changing the shape of the eye sockets will give him plenty of emotion. (which I hope they leave empty)

FlameHead

02-23-2005, 10:51 PM

That's exactly what I mean... Like, use the top of his eye sockets like they were eyebrows, sorta. I wonder how animated this guy is gonna be?

As for the topic at hand, the sound editing department is gonna have quite the time doing this movie... depending on how much 'noise' the Hellfire flames are gonna have. Perhaps they'll work it into the soundtrack or something.

crystal_flame6

03-22-2005, 06:23 PM

On GR's head, I think they should have the facial expressions, but have the voice issuing without the jaw moving.

crystal_flame6

03-22-2005, 06:25 PM

The Hellfire should sound almost like a loud, real fire, except have moaning, wailing, and screaming mixed in with it. Almost as if the lost souls are speaking threw it at the victium :ghost:

FlameHead

03-23-2005, 03:32 AM

A lot of people like the idea of lost souls moaning and wailing mixed in with hellfire sound. ... including me. It just makes sense.

Would the moaning and walling happen all the time (because he is made of hellfire) or just when he did hellfire blasts or uses hellfire as a weapon, ya think?

3dman27

03-23-2005, 03:46 AM

only while using hellfire blasts

crystal_flame6

03-23-2005, 05:05 PM

I thought I posted this before so if I did I am sorry to repeat it. Have the engine of the cycle sound like a Harley mixed with a high guitarish sound so the engine would scream down the street. The flames would sound normal except when JB changes to GR, he revs his bike, or in an emotional response. I think that about covers it.

FlameHead

03-23-2005, 11:16 PM

Yeah, you did mention the guitars in another thread. NO worries though. I only know this because I just responded to it.

Okay 3dman27, what would the regular hellfire sound like? Regular fire?

3dman27

03-24-2005, 05:07 AM

yes

Lichslayer

03-24-2005, 07:27 AM

I think the sounds of the hellfire itself isnt going to be that noticeable if it's done right.. because GR will be holding people aloft, cackling demonically, and the screams of the tormented person will be all you'll hear =P

Ok.. seriously.. it should have some sound. Would be cool if GR grabbed someone, and the fire starts to creep around their body.. you could hear the moans of the tormented as the fire infused into the victim's soul... ahhhhhhh!
Is it 2006 yet?

crystal_flame6

03-24-2005, 04:54 PM

Have the flames reach around the killer's body like the clawing hands of his victims, while the one who wronged the innocent feels what his victims felt and more. Ghost Rider holding the victim suspended by a chain, laughing as his victim finally got what he deserved, and possibly dragging the still struggling person behind his bike in it's firey wake.
I can't wait to hear what is happening at that set! Maybe when MSJ gets back on he will let some hints drop...

BIGGUN

03-24-2005, 09:27 PM

Have the flames reach around the killer's body like the clawing hands of his victims,
Ghost Rider holding the victim suspended by a chain, laughing as his victim finally got what he deserved, and possibly dragging the still struggling person behind his bike in it's firey wake.
.

im diggin those ideas...especially the claw like flames. that would be rather creepy. add in some wailing from dead souls in w/ the crackling of the hellfire and you got yourself a killer little scene :up:

crystal_flame6

03-24-2005, 09:43 PM

I was thinking more of the souls of the ones the guy tortured. Who knows what scenes will be in the movie? All we can do is think them up and post them here for others to enjoy.

DarkKnightJRK

03-24-2005, 10:18 PM

I like the sound of Hellfire being fire mixed with wailing of human souls and the claw like fire wrapping around the victims, that's just badass. Taking it one step further, perhaps when the claw fire has is wrapped on a victim, you can see in the fire hints of the souls screaming and moaning, that'd just creep people out even more, I bet.

About the voice, I think Nic should be involved a bit. Have Nic act out the GR lines, then use some filters and some other sounds along side of it. Make it sound demonic, with a little hint of Nic, but slightly overshadowed by the other stuff. I think this shows that while GR is out, it reminds everyone that he's still possessing a human being and uses it as a shell so he can come out.

BIGGUN

03-24-2005, 10:32 PM

About the voice, I think Nic should be involved a bit. Have Nic act out the GR lines, then use some filters and some other sounds along side of it. Make it sound demonic, with a little hint of Nic, but slightly overshadowed by the other stuff. I think this shows that while GR is out, it reminds everyone that he's still possessing a human being and uses it as a shell so he can come out.

i agree..only the less of Nic in the voice the better...or in other words....that GR would sound so diffrent from Cage people would think that it was provided by someone else. same goes for body language and movements.
Cage should definitely act/voice the part..only do it so well people wouldnt realize it was Cage in the outfit. that way they can drive home the point that Blaze and GR are 2 different beings.

crystal_flame6

03-25-2005, 02:08 PM

I agree. A deep, gravely voice for GR, and Nic's for JB. Plus GR is a lot bigger in muscle and a little taller than JB and this needs to be so in the movie.

crystal_flame6

03-31-2005, 08:28 PM

Ok, we have a good idea what the hellcycle is going to look like. Now what will it sound like, besides being loud?

FlameHead

04-03-2005, 08:00 AM

crystal_flame6

04-03-2005, 06:53 PM

Then who is going to do GR's voice? Or is it going to be Cage's voice run threw all the voice changers and them trying to line up mouths with words?

FlameHead

04-06-2005, 02:22 AM

Well, Ghost Rider head is going to be a digital head more than likely anyway, which means they'll have to line things up with that.

I hope they hire a voice actor for that though I'm sure they'll do something funky with Cage's voice.

crystal_flame6

04-12-2005, 04:07 PM

Hopefully it will be so changed that you can hardly tell it is Cage's voice.

FlameHead

04-12-2005, 11:08 PM

That's my biggest hope. I want a difference in Ghost Rider and Blaze... besides the visual one, of course.

crystal_flame6

04-13-2005, 05:09 PM

It should be that way, because JB and GR are two different beingings. What do you think GR should sound like FH?

FlameHead

04-14-2005, 11:36 PM

Honestly, I don't know. That's a really tough question to answer really. I've spent so many years reading the words coming from the vengeance demons mouth and each time the words were surrounded by hellfire balloons, giving me the impression that this is a special voice... a powerful, fear inflicting voice... and that's exactly what it has to be. Anything less would be a dissapointment. What exactly fear and powefull sounds like is the real question... and it's a question I really cant put into words.

crystal_flame6

04-15-2005, 03:19 PM

I have a though on what it might sound like but it is hard to describe; it needs to be a low, rumbling, almost gravely and/or acidy, voice that sends chills up your spine that nails on chalk board can not compare to. To be the picth to where you can hear it no matter what is going on in the background, and you want to obey the voice no matter what because you are too scared to do other wise or because of the commanding tone that it implies (that you don't want to know what will happen if you don't obey).

FlameHead

04-17-2005, 08:44 AM

Your right on one thing for sure; it definatly is heard to describe what the voice should should like. You have a great description there though... better than anything I'd be able to explain anyway. Maybe that's because my only main concern is that it does not sound like Cage... at all. Anything other than that would be fine by me. Anything like what you described here, would be perfect!

[Faustinas]

04-18-2005, 07:09 PM

crystal_flame6

04-18-2005, 09:40 PM

GR could make the bike silent when he needed it to be, and louder than hell at other times. The moaning could be when he is punishing someone (giving them the stare).

FlameHead

04-20-2005, 02:51 PM

Ohh... I like the idea of the bike being silent sometimes. That would make for some some big scares/jumps.

']Kind of reminds me of Shang Tsung's fireballs :up:

I should know who Shang Tsung is right? Damn. Um, Mortal Kombat?

crystal_flame6

04-20-2005, 04:55 PM

Yeah, have GR creep up on someone then rev the bike right behind them and watch them jump. It would also be a useful tool to scare the audience, because you would never know were the bike would show up next.

FlameHead

04-23-2005, 10:03 AM

Exactly what I was thinking. The movie is going to have many horrorific aspects and therefore they are gonna want to scare the audience, I would assume

crystal_flame6

04-24-2005, 08:39 PM

I want to see GR drive up without the audience knowing and jump at the camera with his bike screaming louder than hell. I think of that and what else they might do and shivers go down my spine.

Fantastic-Boy

04-25-2005, 02:35 PM

I like some disturber and the same time melting on our minds...It has taken and constant at the same time!

crystal_flame6

04-25-2005, 09:19 PM

Do think that the rest of the time (when it is not the hellcycle) it will sound like a normal bike, or will it have some sound (extra loud, deep rumble, etc.) to set it apart?

FlameHead

04-28-2005, 07:49 AM

I imagine that the hellcycle and the regular cycle are going to sound somewhat different. The hellcycle has to sound like it's from another world afterall.

crystal_flame6

04-29-2005, 02:20 PM

What do You think it is going to sound like, FlameHead?

Mr Nick

04-30-2005, 05:21 AM

His voice should sound like a really tough dude speaking from the afterlife, hollow, powerful and scary, scary enough to make you pee your pants.

As for Ghost Rider, I really don't want to see any lips or eye movement. Would the Terminator endoskeleton have been as scary with animated eyebrows? Nah. An accurate bit of jaw movement (not clacking like maracas) would be OK, like in Darkman. Most communication is made by body language anyway, so as long as the actor playing GR is good at that, there shouldn't be a problem with him emoting.

crystal_flame6

05-04-2005, 04:36 PM

I think that they need to at least animate the jaw, to heighten emotional language, and maybe have the flames that serve as eyes flare when a very strong emotion is trying to be communicated.

FlameHead

05-08-2005, 10:03 PM

I agree that the bone structrue should not be animated in anyway. If they need to make any faciel enhancements at all, let them do it with flame.

Crystal, I have no idea what it's going to sound like. I'm not even sure if he'll be speaking at all. That's a major possibility as well.

crystal_flame6

05-09-2005, 08:43 PM

I meant the hellcycle. I still love the idea of the flames flaring up when GR has a strong emotional moment.

AmerikazMostWanted

05-10-2005, 12:36 PM

I think his voice will have a raspy echo sound to it , and his voice will be the sound of fire. If you ever heard nic cage talk his voice doesn't really change it always has the same tone and thats what I think ghost rider will sound like.

AmerikazMostWanted

05-10-2005, 12:39 PM

Ohh... I like the idea of the bike being silent sometimes. That would make for some some big scares/jumps.

Damnit I hate Scares/Jumps sorry for being weak :o

crystal_flame6

05-11-2005, 04:20 PM

I think the main thing with the voice is going to be Nic's brought down to a low, powerful growl.
The jumps/scares are fun, they keep you on your set and your attention on the movie. I can't wait to see all the ones in the movie!

AmerikazMostWanted

05-11-2005, 06:37 PM

Then I cant wait to bring ear plugs so I don't Jump thanks

vect0r4

05-12-2005, 06:34 AM

for those who don't know, the hellfire has 50cc horsepower and sounds like a scooter... and its made of plastic

crystal_flame6

05-12-2005, 04:11 PM

What!? You mean the hellcycle that we have seen is what you described?
We are wondering what the final product in the movie will sound like.

FlameHead

05-17-2005, 03:02 PM

I don't care if it's made of poop and sounds like Barney the dinosaur; that thing is freakin' cool lookin! I bet it's gonna be awesome on screen... and we all know that 90% of the sounds that appear in films are artificially created at a later time.

I bet it looks funny to see live though...

crystal_flame6

05-17-2005, 04:26 PM

I can't wait to hear what they put in for the bike.

FlameHead

07-04-2005, 07:51 AM

Me either, although I'm more concerned about the actual sound of Ghost Rider. I mean, will his burnin' body sound like something burning or will it just be silent?

InVictus

07-04-2005, 01:54 PM

I suspect some kind of roaring flame noise.... but it is very possible any alteration on the hell/screaming soul theme

FlameHead

07-17-2005, 07:38 PM

So, we now know that Nic has recorded all the lines which will be digitally mixed with 'lion roars' and such. Sounds intereting.

I also like the fact that MSJ said it would 'shake the theatre'. That's awesome and sounds completly perfect.

crystal_flame6

07-18-2005, 02:08 PM

"mechanic lion roars"? They said it has been lowered and they are playing around with it to get it right. I still hope that it is a low, rumbling that would not be out of place in a dark alley and scare the kids in the theatre. "Shake the theatre", that sounds fun.
On the bike, it should be able to out-match a Harley with no exhaust easily.

FlameHead

07-19-2005, 07:34 AM

I think the lion roars was just an example of things they'll add to the sound mix to give it a 'roar', ya know? It's not actually going to sound like Simba or anything.

I'm also assuming that it'll get more intense as he become's more angry, or when he wants to make a point. His normal conversation (if there is any) will probably be scary... but not intense.

crystal_flame6

07-25-2005, 02:51 PM

The lion roars could go to the bike's sound. I can imagine that happening easier than in a voice, but I don't know what all they can do to the voices. I guess I will just find out when the trailers come out.

InVictus

07-25-2005, 06:06 PM

Oh, crappy deity of crappiness, i've just realized that whathever amazing work they will do to GR Voice, i won't hear it in original, as it will be recreated in the translation to italian... If wasn't enough to live in a fourth-last country to get the movie ...
Well probably the USA dvd will come out before 13 october, right?

FlameHead

07-26-2005, 07:53 AM

Wow, that's pretty ****ty. I never thought about dubbed voices like that before. I wonder what it'll sound like... and if they'll spend as much time working on it as they do the original?

The lion roars could go to the bike's sound. I can imagine that happening easier than in a voice, but I don't know what all they can do to the voices. I guess I will just find out when the trailers come out.

The lion isn't going to sound like a lion... like a roar or anything. I think what they mean't is they wanted to get that growling sound mixed in with Nic's voice, along with many other things. They just wanna make it scary... and I'm sure you're not going to realize what sounds were used. You'll not hear the lion, just a underlying roar.

AmerikazMostWanted

07-26-2005, 02:00 PM

they will tell us the sounds on dvd I hope :D

FlameHead

07-27-2005, 06:22 AM

I hope so too. I'm hoping DVD is going to be huge with details on everything!!

Mr Nick

07-30-2005, 02:09 PM

Isn't it cool that not only are we Ghost Rider fans frothing at the mouth to see what our favourite hero will look like, but what he'll sound like too? Double the anticipation. Double the fun.

Well, the bike was unveiled and looked cool as hell; the artwork so far for GR looks great; so I reckon the sound guys will deliver on his 'theatre shaking' voice. When I hear him speak for the first time, I may very well poo myself with excitement.

And that's not something I do often.

:D

FlameHead

08-01-2005, 07:06 AM

As much as I am excited about how Ghost Rider's voice will sound, I'm equally pumped about all the sounds in the movie. The guy who's credited as the sound editor (Dane A. Davis: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0204424/) has a pretty impressive resume, having worked on such films as the Matrix Trilogy and The Forgotten. I choose these movies from his huge list because I know they used sound to a very effective way. The sound of a movie is key to making it believable, as everyone knows.

I have all the faith in the world in this team, including Dane... who by the way has worked on a whole bunch of horror flicks as well... which interestes me to no end.

InVictus

08-01-2005, 09:49 AM

I liked sooooomuch the low engine sound, and my heart just jumped 3 beats when i heard the sound of the spikes shooting out!
Very good effects, very promising.

FlameHead

08-01-2005, 07:43 PM

I was a huge fan of that low rumblin' motor as well. About halfway through the footage, when the boom turned into the rumblin' motor was awesome. That's when I was almost pooin' my pants.

Seein' the spikes shooting out was awesome. Never really noticed how cool it sounded because I was too caught up on how cool it looked!

FlameHead

08-06-2005, 08:37 AM

A little update from MSJ himself; http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188064

Hey guys. What's up? Sorry I've been gone so long. It's late on Friday night and I have a moment to myself so I thought I'd check back in and see how you're all doing. Things are going great on the G.R. front. In fact, today I got to hear the Ghost Rider's voice for the first time!!! My Sound Designer is Dane Davis, who won the Academy Award for The Matrix, and is a true genius when it comes to creating new sounds. To start with, Dane took Nic's reading of all of the Ghost Rider's lines, filtered them through 3 different kinds of animal growls (played backwards, covering three separate frequencies) then played it through a mechanical volumizer, before finally setting the whole thing on fire! It's fantastic. Picture a deep, demonic, mechanical lion's roar and you'll get an idea of what he sounds like. One thing is for sure -- his voice will shake the theatre!

I wanna shake now!!!

FlameHead

08-08-2005, 05:45 PM

Man... I get chills every time I read this little report from MSJ. I can't wait until we get to hear him for the first time. I think I'm more anxious about that than I am the look of him.

It's awesome that they have an acadamy award winner workin' on the sound as well... especially when that person worked on a movie as huge as Matrix. Sound was so very important in that flick... as it is in every one, I guess. It sure is refreshing to know we have the very best here though.

Mr Nick

12-03-2005, 11:07 AM

Since it's so darned quiet, I've taken a leaf out of Retroman's book and done some scouring. Haven't found anything new, but this is an interesting little article on Dane Davis' work on The Matrix.

http://mixonline.com/mag/audio_dane_davis_danetracks/

:)

The Geek Vault

12-23-2005, 05:55 PM

Is ghost rider being voiced by Nickolas Cage with a distorted voice or is it completely different guy?

BIGGUN

12-23-2005, 06:14 PM

Is ghost rider being voiced by Nickolas Cage with a distorted voice or is it completely different guy?

yup..Cage is doing all the voice work but will be heavily distorted w/ sound fx

NDX

12-23-2005, 10:20 PM

I'm really looking forward to his voice. When MSJ described it to us a while back I couldn't get the smile off my face for an hour. I have such high hopes for it now.

They could probably manipulate Cage's voice to something very disturbing.

deathshead2

12-23-2005, 10:23 PM

I hope they cover up NC voice sense NC is the only thing I don't seem to like about the movie.

Nightwing

12-23-2005, 11:01 PM

His voice for GR should kick ass.

Ultimate Doom

12-24-2005, 12:07 AM

His voice for GR should kick ass.

I agree :up:

FlameHead

12-26-2005, 03:37 PM

As awesome as it was to see Ghost Rider for the first time, I'm extreamly interested in hearing him for the first time. Pehaps in the next clip, ya think?

FlameHead

12-26-2005, 04:17 PM

From a previous Q&A with MSJ...

Hey guys. What's up? Sorry I've been gone so long. It's late on Friday night and I have a moment to myself so I thought I'd check back in and see how you're all doing. Things are going great on the G.R. front. In fact, today I got to hear the Ghost Rider's voice for the first time!!! My Sound Designer is Dane Davis, who won the Academy Award for The Matrix, and is a true genius when it comes to creating new sounds. To start with, Dane took Nic's reading of all of the Ghost Rider's lines, filtered them through 3 different kinds of animal growls (played backwards, covering three separate frequencies) then played it through a mechanical volumizer, before finally setting the whole thing on fire! It's fantastic. Picture a deep, demonic, mechanical lion's roar and you'll get an idea of what he sounds like. One thing is for sure -- his voice will shake the theatre!

Found in this thread: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126593

Nightwing

12-26-2005, 04:28 PM

Thanks FlameHead.

The Flash!

12-26-2005, 08:32 PM

I hope it will be Nic Cage who voices him,but with a slighter more grittier frighting voice.

FlameHead

12-26-2005, 08:33 PM

Um... read post number 7.

The Flash!

12-26-2005, 08:35 PM

Um...I know that,just saying my opinion.

FlameHead

12-26-2005, 08:37 PM

Oh, all I was sayin' is that it is Nic's voice that they are using... just a whole lot added to it.

The Flash!

12-26-2005, 08:41 PM

I know thanks. :up:

FlameHead

12-27-2005, 02:53 PM

Cool, Cool.

To anyone checkin' out this thread, for more talk and information on the sounds of Ghost Rider or Hellfire itself check out the following thread; http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126593

Fanticon

05-29-2006, 05:27 PM

In GR form...I've always assumed it was like somone who can only appear to be to talking but the voice is a screaming whisper that fills the air around you...what kind of voice will they use? What kind of effect should it be? Has MSJ answered anything like that yet?

xwolverine2

05-29-2006, 06:44 PM

how could we explain something like that........

its easier to demonstrate

NDX

05-29-2006, 06:49 PM

I remember reading at one point that MSJ was fiddling with sounds and the voice might sound something similar to a mechanized lion's roar.

Tissues

05-29-2006, 06:51 PM

"Hey guys. What's up? Sorry I've been gone so long. It's late on Friday night and I have a moment to myself so I thought I'd check back in and see how you're all doing. Things are going great on the G.R. front. In fact, today I got to hear the Ghost Rider's voice for the first time!!! My Sound Designer is Dane Davis, who won the Academy Award for The Matrix, and is a true genius when it comes to creating new sounds. To start with, Dane took Nic's reading of all of the Ghost Rider's lines, filtered them through 3 different kinds of animal growls (played backwards, covering three separate frequencies) then played it through a mechanical volumizer, before finally setting the whole thing on fire! It's fantastic. Picture a deep, demonic, mechanical lion's roar and you'll get an idea of what he sounds like. One thing is for sure -- his voice will shake the theatre!"
From the Questions Already Asked thread