Pre-Crisis Superman Can Beat SSJ4 Goku/Vegeta

[Krpton]

(never mind)

[X]

I'll speak for everyone and just say right here and now you're the biggest ****ing idiot I've ever seen in my entire life. :up:

[Krpton]

sorry, i apologize, i just got abit angry with him for insulting me.

[X]

Dude, you need to get a grip. Be a pain in the ass, or be a decent guy. Cut the stupid assumption **** and vs. matches, and we'll ease up.

[Krpton]

ok, cool, but i dot want no one pickin on me.

[Hawkeye3500]

Try using proper grammar, that usually gets me off people's backs.

[X]

That's the least of my worries. It admittedly does help though...

[War Lord]

I always use proper grammar and people hate me anyway.

[Guyverjay]

Yeah Jonty

You do suck:mad:

[Langoth]

After GT, Goku might as well be the definition of God. He could WISH Superman away, just snap his fingers, and he's dead. And he is immortal...

Also, I don't think anyone is an ass or anything, I just think they are ignorant :D

[War Lord]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
Yeah Jonty

You do suck:mad:

Quit picking on me.:o

[Darko]

Superman whoops ass, and wat *****??????

[Hellscream]

Originally posted by jonty30
Quit picking on me.:o
ur such a cock block :mad:

[MFM]

Heck, even Post-Crisis Superman can take on (if not beat) SSJ4 Goku/Vegeta.

[Guyverjay]

LOL

Post crisis superman would get ***** slapped by SSJ4 Goku

[MFM]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
LOL

Post crisis superman would get ***** slapped by SSJ4 Goku Hah! Is that all SSJ4 Goku could? I thought he could do more than just a mere 'slap'. :p

Heh, if I'm a fanboy like you, I would say the samething as well. Believe me, as much as I like both characters, I'd have to say that Superman can win (not to say that Goku CAN'T win). I've known both characters' capabilities, and I've seen several discussion regarding this versus topic on other messageboards, and most of them (including die-hard DB fans) agreed that any version of Supermans (except the animated series one) can beat any version of Goku. Or, to be polite (maybe none of you wanted to accept that Goku will lose to Superman), Superman CANNOT be beaten by Goku easily.

[Guyverjay]

Instead of boring me with your delusions of grandeur. Why not add something to the discussion that is actually relevent? I.e why you think post crisis superman can beat SSJ4 goku?

[Guyverjay]

Edit:double post

[MFM]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
Instead of boring me with your delusions of grandeur. Why not add something to the discussion that is actually relevent? I.e why you think post crisis superman can beat SSJ4 goku? Why do I think Superman can beat SSJ4 Goku? Well, why not? I am not the only one who thinks that Superman can beat SSJ4 Goku, there are several others who think the same thing. Plus, they can give a really good explanation as how SSJ4 Goku can be beaten by the likes of Superman. Obviously you underestimate Superman power too much.
The question now is, how can SSJ4 Goku beat Superman by just "slapping" him? :p

[Guyverjay]

Thanks for Basically saying NOTHING:up:

[MFM]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
Thanks for Basically saying NOTHING:up: No big. :D
It's not worth my time repeating what other people been saying for.. I don't know how many times, and DB fans will still ignore them anyway, so why should I care. Besides, you said nothing about how SSJ4 Goku could not be beaten by Superman as well, so I can't say anything to back up my opinion.
Anyway, nice chatting with you. :cyclops:

[GammaBeast]

MFM if you're not actually going to debate then stay out of the debate. You could have alteast offered some proof.

[MFM]

Originally posted by GammaBeast
MFM if you're not actually going to debate then stay out of the debate. You could have alteast offered some proof. Proof? I can't give you "proof", since that fight never happen. ;)
But, if you want, check out this board: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=2000113&topic=15508937
There are actually a more interesting discussions back then (and they explicitly mention SSJ4 Goku in their discussions), but those topics are closed now, and this one is the only one left at that site (and they didn't mention SSJ4 Goku explicitly this time).
Hurry up though, topics like this are usually closed early because those people there are tired of repeatingly answering some DB fanboys (who overpowered Goku, claiming that he can do things that he never able to do) or just plain Superman haters (ignoring the facts of what Superman is capable of).
But, most of them (including DB fans, the reasonable ones) backed up their opinions with reasonable explainations (though some of them are actually being sarcastic because these kinds of topic keep popping up every now and then eventhough they've already make it clear who the victor is) and agreed that Superman can beat (or at least, have the chance of beating) any Goku, including SSJ4 Goku.
Oh, and did I mention, that topic was actually in a Dragon Ball forum? :cyclops:

[GammaBeast]

I'm not scrolling through a 21 page thread on another forum just because you're too lazy to post your own reasons and evidence.

[Guyverjay]

Oh wow you managed to post other peoples opinions.:eek: What a smart fellow you are:)

[MFM]

Originally posted by GammaBeast
I'm not scrolling through a 21 page thread on another forum just because you're too lazy to post your own reasons and evidence. Well, you want proof, I give you proof. Take it or leave it. Can't help it if you're that lazy. :D


Originally posted by Guyverjay
Oh wow you managed to post other peoples opinions.:eek: What a smart fellow you are:) Well, at least I have my proof to back up my opinion. My reasons are the same as those on that board. Why should I waste my time typing all those here? Just go and read them yourself. :D

[Guyverjay]

YOUR opinion??

Bwhahahahahahhaa :D

[MFM]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
YOUR opinion??

Bwhahahahahahhaa :D Well, I did post on that board. :D

[Guyverjay]

Well go back there:up:

[GammaBeast]

Try actually posting references to the actual show, manga and comics. Thats the only kind of proof that means anything.

[GarudA]

What about Pre-Crisis Superman taking a Sun bath, i am sure he will be INSANLEY powerfull

[X]

Originally posted by GarudA
What about Pre-Crisis Superman taking a Sun bath, i am sure he will be INSANLEY powerfull

How far back Pre-Crisis? Once upon a time his power had nothing to do with solar energy, he was simply invulnerable because he was from Krypton. Heavier gravity and all of that...

[MFM]

Originally posted by GammaBeast
Try actually posting references to the actual show, manga and comics. Thats the only kind of proof that means anything. Those people on that board are actually referring to the actual comics (for Superman) and manga/anime (for Goku).

Originally posted by GarudA
What about Pre-Crisis Superman taking a Sun bath, i am sure he will be INSANLEY powerfull I don't think he needs to, judging by what he already capable of.

Originally posted by Mr. X
How far back Pre-Crisis? Once upon a time his power had nothing to do with solar energy, he was simply invulnerable because he was from Krypton. Heavier gravity and all of that... .. and because of solar energy. Anyway, those inconsistencies are the reason they introduce the 'Crisis' in the first place...

Okay, here's my 2-cents on why even Post-Crisis Superman can win. These are some of his feats (and yes, I am referring to the actual current Superman's comic series):
Physically he's stronger than Goku in terms of strength. He can lift 40 billion ton at normal rate. While SSJ4 Goku is struggling to maintain a skyscrapper from falling, Superman has been pushing one-third of the moon (the other one-third, by Wonder Woman, and I can't remember the other character who pushed the other one-third.
Superman also once punched his enemy and send him flying to the moon.
And about Goku's beam attacks, Superman had been hit by the weight of an entire planet, and survive with no physical harm. He's also deflect Darkseid's Omega Effect, with just his heat-vision.
In term of speed, while inside earth's atmosphere he only moves 99% of light-speed, he is way faster in space, so fast that he accidently broke a moon (from which planet, I can't remember) in half, when he was angry after hearing that Lex Luthor was elected to be the US President.
I never imply that Superman would definitely win, I just thought that with these feats, I'm sure that SSJ4 Goku would have a hard time defeating him (If he was going to defeat him). Blowing up planet? Superman can survive in space without air as long as he has his solar power, can Goku? Blowing up the sun? Never shown that he can do that. If Goku did, Superman's body is like a battery, it's not like Superman will be immediately weaken if there's no sun around. Kryptonite? As if Goku knows anything about that. If he did use Kryptonite against Superman, while it will drain Superman powers in a large amount, Superman will not be weaken instantly, and it's like Superman will just stay and let that Kryptonite drain his energy, he'll fly away, hit the Kryptonite from Goku, and continue the fight while recharging under the yellow sun.

Alright, that's all for now.

¡Adios! :cyclops:

[xScarletSpiderx]

Just out of curiosity, does anybody happen to have a picture of during DB, when that Superman-esque is in there? And if I remember that correctly, Goku over powers him or General Blue or somebody... I'm not sure.

[Langoth]

He's another character from another Akira Toriyama Manga, he's a spoof of Superman, he really has no powers, only claims too.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by MFM
Those people on that board are actually referring to the actual comics (for Superman) and manga/anime (for Goku).

I don't think he needs to, judging by what he already capable of.

.. and because of solar energy. Anyway, those inconsistencies are the reason they introduce the 'Crisis' in the first place...

Okay, here's my 2-cents on why even Post-Crisis Superman can win. These are some of his feats (and yes, I am referring to the actual current Superman's comic series):
Physically he's stronger than Goku in terms of strength. He can lift 40 billion ton at normal rate. While SSJ4 Goku is struggling to maintain a skyscrapper from falling, Superman has been pushing one-third of the moon (the other one-third, by Wonder Woman, and I can't remember the other character who pushed the other one-third.
Superman also once punched his enemy and send him flying to the moon.
And about Goku's beam attacks, Superman had been hit by the weight of an entire planet, and survive with no physical harm. He's also deflect Darkseid's Omega Effect, with just his heat-vision.
In term of speed, while inside earth's atmosphere he only moves 99% of light-speed, he is way faster in space, so fast that he accidently broke a moon (from which planet, I can't remember) in half, when he was angry after hearing that Lex Luthor was elected to be the US President.
I never imply that Superman would definitely win, I just thought that with these feats, I'm sure that SSJ4 Goku would have a hard time defeating him (If he was going to defeat him). Blowing up planet? Superman can survive in space without air as long as he has his solar power, can Goku? Blowing up the sun? Never shown that he can do that. If Goku did, Superman's body is like a battery, it's not like Superman will be immediately weaken if there's no sun around. Kryptonite? As if Goku knows anything about that. If he did use Kryptonite against Superman, while it will drain Superman powers in a large amount, Superman will not be weaken instantly, and it's like Superman will just stay and let that Kryptonite drain his energy, he'll fly away, hit the Kryptonite from Goku, and continue the fight while recharging under the yellow sun.

Alright, that's all for now.

¡Adios! :cyclops:

Okay I'll play

1) SSJ4 Goku didn't struggle to push that damn building, maybe you have something wrong with your eyes or something. Since you can't actually see his face or even his body properly for that matter (as the shot is from far way) , how can you even say he struggles?? What even makes that statement so retarded is that he lifts half the damn city a few seconds after that scene.

2)Where are you getting this he can move multiple times light speed in space rubbish. It took him over 8 minutes to get to the sun in OWAW. Everything was on the line . If he could have moved faster he would have. He can move 99% the speed of light (thats what DC says), he hasn't got a link to the speed force he's not the flash. Also Superman cannot stay in space forever, he can hold his breath for a long tme but he still needs oxygen eventually. As for whether Goku can, what sort of dumb question is that? Gokus father Bardock fought freiza entire army in space, Vegeta and nappa in space blow up a planet on their way to earth. Vegeta TRAINS in space (on moons etc) while trying to becomes a SSJ. Yes sayan can't exist without Oxygen forever but they can stay out there for a long time.

Also superman does NOT move at 99% light speed in atmosphere (I dont' where you get that from). I repeat he's NOT the flash. He can't control the effect of what his speed would do to the planet while going that fast (The flash can)

3)If superman can supposedly lift 40 billion tonnes (I'd like to see where btw). Then why in doomsday wars does he struggle (and yes he is struggling because you can actually see his face and he admits it) to stop an aeroplane from crashing? (and you think DBZ has inconsistances?) On the other hand Gohan before he became mystic casually in his base form lifts and carries a aeroplane full of people in the buu saga. Also Goku against Kidd Buu pushes a mountain apart with his bare hands (how much do they weigh?).

4) Big deal superman has punched a guy to the moon whoopedy do. Goku has Ki blasted a guy into the sun. Gokus 500 year old perverted sensei has blown the moon to kingdom come and you want me to impressed because supes made one split in half?

5)As for kryptonite, true enough Goku doesn't what it is. Even if he did he wouldn't use it because he loves to fight. Of course if he did have it he would go down quickly. In Doomsady rex when luthor locks boths doomsday and supes in a box and releases kryptonite radiation. Doomsday (who was also being effected) knocked out superman with one blow I think. As for supes being a battery yes true enough it is. But his power depletes depending on how hard his fight is. Against Goku he would have to go all out.

6)Yes true enough supes blocked the omega beams with his heat vision. But consider how A) Darkseid has been depowered ALOT since the early days B)Darkseid wasn't actually trying to kill him (he needed superman). Anyway whats heat vision going to do to Goku?? Goku fights that dragon whose body temperature is higher than the suns in GT and is able to hit him without physical damage while in SSJ4 mode.

and last of all if superman is so great than why did he get killed in obsidian age:confused:

But seriously though superman could win (he is superman after all) but I still give the edge to Goku. Martial arts technique can bridge the gap in strength (if there even is one)


If you can actually prove me wrong (cite some issues where he's done this n that and its STATED what he's doing etc) on some of those points then fine. I'm always willing to learn something new. Regardless of what you think I'm a not a blind fanboy I read alot of comics (unlike Krypton who hasn't actually read dick)

[Krpton]

(unlike Krypton who hasn't actually read dick)

i have, ive read birthright, and the doomsday battle, right now im reading 1993-03 adventures of supes 498. i got it on CDisplay, downloaded.

admitting that i havent read much, but i got 61 , and am goin to read them one by one.

u want proof, tell me how to do it an ill show u.
and dont say i have read d**k.

and jay, u think pre-crisis can whoop ssj3 goku? u must do cuz u said post-crisis has a chance but u woul give the edge to goku cuz of his martial arts.

so do u agre pre-crisis supes>>>>ssj3 goku?

[Krpton]

Gokus father Bardock fought freiza entire army in space, Vegeta and nappa in space blow up a planet on their way to earth. Vegeta TRAINS in space (on moons etc) while trying to becomes a SSJ. Yes sayan can't exist without Oxygen forever but they can stay out there for a long time.

one was bardock MOVIE, in other words is filler, and the vegeta and nappa bit was also filler and vegeta trainingin space was also indeed filler.
y do u think goku used a spacship to escape from namek.

[GammaBeast]

This from the guy who uses "it still happened" as proof.

Filler or not the vegeta and nappa scenes are still part of the story.

[Krpton]

agreed, i was just saying, im not saying it dont count.

[Langoth]

Actually the Bardock MOVIE is the Bardock SPECIAL, meaning it actually happens Krypton.

There are 2 DBZ Specials, and 13 DBZ movies, the BARDOCK SPECIAL and the TRUNKS SPECIAL. Those two actually are apart of the continuity.

[Krpton]

Actually the Bardock MOVIE is the Bardock SPECIAL, meaning it actually happens Krypton.

There are 2 DBZ Specials, and 13 DBZ movies, the BARDOCK SPECIAL and the TRUNKS SPECIAL. Those two actually are apart of the continuity.

but was it written by AT?

[Langoth]

Yes, actually it was, so was the Trunks Special.

[MFM]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
1) SSJ4 Goku didn't struggle to push that damn building, maybe you have something wrong with your eyes or something. Since you can't actually see his face or even his body properly for that matter (as the shot is from far way) , how can you even say he struggles?? What even makes that statement so retarded is that he lifts half the damn city a few seconds after that scene. I'm not the only one who says that. Several DB fans that I know never denied that statement when someone mention it.

Originally posted by Guyverjay
2)Where are you getting this he can move multiple times light speed in space rubbish. It took him over 8 minutes to get to the sun in OWAW. Everything was on the line . If he could have moved faster he would have. He can move 99% the speed of light (thats what DC says), he hasn't got a link to the speed force he's not the flash. Also Superman cannot stay in space forever, he can hold his breath for a long tme but he still needs oxygen eventually. As for whether Goku can, what sort of dumb question is that? Gokus father Bardock fought freiza entire army in space, Vegeta and nappa in space blow up a planet on their way to earth. Vegeta TRAINS in space (on moons etc) while trying to becomes a SSJ. Yes sayan can't exist without Oxygen forever but they can stay out there for a long time. Where do I get that rubbish? Well, from the most recent Superman comic of course. Note that OW@W is in 2001. Of course the Flash is always faster, on land that is. There's an issue (I have that issue, but can't remember, probably Superman #194, or somewhere before Superman #200), when Superman and Flash are racing. The Flash wins by the way. But later in that issue, it shows that Superman is flying over lightspeed (not inside earth's atmosphere of course).
Superman cannot stay in space forever, though he can stay almost indefinitely, provided the sun still feeds him.

Originally posted by Guyverjay
Also superman does NOT move at 99% light speed in atmosphere (I dont' where you get that from). I repeat he's NOT the flash. He can't control the effect of what his speed would do to the planet while going that fast (The flash can) He just don't want to move that fast because of the damage he might cause, but it's still 99% of light speed.

Originally posted by Guyverjay
3)If superman can supposedly lift 40 billion tonnes (I'd like to see where btw). Then why in doomsday wars does he struggle (and yes he is struggling because you can actually see his face and he admits it) to stop an aeroplane from crashing? (and you think DBZ has inconsistances?) On the other hand Gohan before he became mystic casually in his base form lifts and carries a aeroplane full of people in the buu saga. Also Goku against Kidd Buu pushes a mountain apart with his bare hands (how much do they weigh?). And yet there's other occassion where Superman pushes 1/3 of the moon's weight (and I believe there's an issue where he pushed the full weight of the moon by himself), lift a mountain with ease, and that's all I can remember right now. And BTW, Superman power level is not static, it's increasing with each exposure of the yellow sun.

Originally posted by Guyverjay
4) Big deal superman has punched a guy to the moon whoopedy do. Goku has Ki blasted a guy into the sun. Gokus 500 year old perverted sensei has blown the moon to kingdom come and you want me to impressed because supes made one split in half? He made the moon split in half with his bare hand. I'm showing Superman's punching power. Superman's punch is not something that you could take for granted.
Moon-blowing blast is not going to do Superman much damage (as if it could hit him anyway, since Superman is no slowpoke, he could dodge it fast enough), since he survived a supernova explosion (in Time and Time Again arc).
Well, good luck if Goku wanted to ki blast Superman into the sun (again, as stated above about his speed), couse he'll regret it later (after Superman came out of the sun)... ;)

Originally posted by Guyverjay
5)As for kryptonite, true enough Goku doesn't what it is. Even if he did he wouldn't use it because he loves to fight. Of course if he did have it he would go down quickly. In Doomsady rex when luthor locks boths doomsday and supes in a box and releases kryptonite radiation. Doomsday (who was also being effected) knocked out superman with one blow I think. As for supes being a battery yes true enough it is. But his power depletes depending on how hard his fight is. Against Goku he would have to go all out. Doomsday cannot be killed. He is powerful (and I think a bit stronger than Superman), and Goku is nothing compared to Doomsday in terms of physical strength.

Originally posted by Guyverjay
6)Yes true enough supes blocked the omega beams with his heat vision. But consider how A) Darkseid has been depowered ALOT since the early days B)Darkseid wasn't actually trying to kill him (he needed superman). Anyway whats heat vision going to do to Goku?? Goku fights that dragon whose body temperature is higher than the suns in GT and is able to hit him without physical damage while in SSJ4 mode. What heat vision going to do with Goku? A lot actually, but I'm leaning towards "deflecting whatever Goku throws at him".
Oh, and there's another thing, it is agreed that Goku (SSJ4 even) cannot withstand extreme cold/hot. And again, nobody denies that either... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Guyverjay
and last of all if superman is so great than why did he get killed in obsidian age:confused: To put it simply; Superman is not immortal. Besides a very long exposure to Kryptonite, he can be killed, provided they are far more stronger than Superman, or have an extremely powerful magic.

Originally posted by Guyverjay
But seriously though superman could win (he is superman after all) but I still give the edge to Goku. Martial arts technique can bridge the gap in strength (if there even is one)
Superman has martial arts technique as well (1000 years of training). He isn't just some strong guys who only throws punches, you know.

Okay, gotta go now.

Later :cyclops:

[X]

Originally posted by MFM
Superman has martial arts technique as well (1000 years of training). He isn't just some strong guys who only throws punches, you know.

Okay, gotta go now.

Later :cyclops:

What, when he was in that other reality/world whatever fighting with DC's equivilent of Thor? Lame. Superman had absolutely no combat skill for years, then Mogul or whoever trained him. Meh.

Anyhow, I really don't know why you guys ever bother bringing up Pre-Crisis Superman. His abilities, his power, they were just out there. They were never meant to be all that serious. I mean, DC tried a couple of times during the 70's to depower Superman and make the mood of a comics more serious, but with Superman it never really stuck. Pretty much whatever was required, he did. I don't fault him or the writers for this, it came with the times. The comics were still good, enjoyable, in a light hearted, fun way. Dragging him into a vs. match just to try and prove something is pretty lame, but hey, whatever floats your guys boat.

[X]

Originally posted by MFM
Doomsday cannot be killed. He is powerful (and I think a bit stronger than Superman), and Goku is nothing compared to Doomsday in terms of physical strength.

Doomsday's been killed plenty of times. He just comes back. These that created that energy being that killed him could of been done with him forever if they would of atomized him. Same thing when Imperiex reduced him to a skelaton, scientists went to work on him.

[Langoth]

That was pathetic.

Goku not immune to heat/cold?

Goku survived being bathed in Lava by Frieza BEFORE he was even SSJ1.

And as for Superman's eyebeams deflecting energy blasts, YEA RIGHT. Goku blows up planets with energy blasts, if he put a great deal of energy into one blast, no sissy heat beam is going to stop it.

And Goku is a far superior martial artist.

Also, I don't think he was struggling, and I'm a DBZ fan.

Next, Goku IS faster then Superman. It really is that simple, there are reasons why people don't just appear on the scene, that would be too convinent (This happens in comics too) they have to draw out the situation.

Goku would destroy Superman, and one punch from Goku can blow up a planet, its called Dragonfist ;)

[X]

Don't forget Darkseid's put Superman on his ass a number of times with a single Omega Beam blast. Not like his heat vision was stalemating Darkseids Omega Beams. If anything Superman was going all out with his.

[MFM]

I believe I've used EXTREME heat/cold?

And, those sissy heat beam is the one Superman used to reheat earth's core in one ocassion.

Darkseid's is a cosmic being, Superman is not. Everyone knows that he can kill Superman anytime that he wants. But it's not like Superman is going to go down THAT easily.
And, Superman did counter Darkseid's Omega Effect with his heat vision once.

Goku is a far more superior martial artist. I'll give you that, but I can't see how it can help Goku against Superman that much.

About Goku is faster than Goku, I seriously doubt that. You're underestimating Superman's speed too much.

A punch that can destroy a planet couldn't do much with Superman. He's been hit by an attack that is the same weight of a planet without physical damage, and he survived a super-nova.

Sure, Goku can hurt Superman, but I doubt Goku could DESTROY Superman... :cyclops:

[X]

Darkseid isn't a full blown cosmic being. He used to be, when John Byrne wrote him during THe Great Darkness saga and what not, but not anymore. Orion's beaten him a couple of times, in one probable future he flat out kills him for good.

Hawkman hit him with a force of a planet. He was knocked on his ass and had a bloody nose. I believe it was inplied he was knocked out but the next issue he was just feigning it or something.

Goku's a lot faster then Superman. By the time Superman could begin to mount any real offensive, Goku could just teleport all over him or simply outmanuever him. Goku's gone up against other insanly powerful being, and he's apperared so fast to them that he was standing still when he was actually dodging their attacks.

As I said, if Darkseid wanted to, his Omega Beams would easily overpower Supermans. Bad writing otherwise.

When did he reheat the Earths core anyhow? Sounds like something that would happen Pre-Crisis. Most things like that are discounted anyway in discussions like these, highs and lows. Goku's pretty consistently very bad ass...

[Langoth]

Originally posted by Mr. X
Goku's pretty consistently very bad ass...

Agreed.

And you know, it always boils down to Goku vs. Superman or other insane being.

Heres a note, there are alot of villains out there whose abilities might not have matched Goku, but would easily crush any super hero, even more efficently then Goku.

Super Buu (After absorbing Gohan) is a good example, as he would probably absorb Superman, lol

[Guyverjay]

MFM obviously doesn't know jack **** about dragonball. His points about Goku aren't even his own and are wrong.

Can't survive extreme heat or cold:rolleyes:

I'm sure when a Ki blast explodes and leaves a mushroom cloud a few miles up its only luke warm:rolleyes:

Goku faces two magic dragon one with the power of heat and the other with cold. The fire dragons body was hotter than the sun. He even says this. His body is over SIX THOUSAND degrees and goku fights him in SSJ4 mode without getting toasted. He fights the Ice dragon who freezes him and the entire city solid in seconds. Goku busts out with no damage. Goku has taken a bath in molten lava without a scratch. Goku got frozen solid while in hell by cell and frieza .He busts out without a scratch.


I've always thought it was funny when superman fans use "he survived a super nova" as feat.

Wow he survived an explosion of SOLAR energy, I'm sooooo impressed:rolleyes:

Look mate its all well and nice that you read superman but if you don't know anything about goku and are just getting second hand rubbish from so called DB fans. Then why are you even bothering to debate? You're too uninformed.

As for your 1000 years of training LOL

Superman can train for a million years and he would never be even 1/10 the martial artist Goku is:D

Btw did I mention that Goku is immortal? Whats supes going to do Kill him?? bwhahahahaha

As for heat vsion deflecting anything. What a load of rubbsh. Everyone knows that you can make ki blasts that ABSORB energy and add it to the blast. Heat vision would only make the blast coming back at him stronger:up:

Not only that a ki blast isn't some laser where you fire it and it goes in one direction. It can be controlled by the user to go in any direction, split into two, stop etc etc

What if Goku does the triform, split form or multi form technique? He'd be figting multiple Gokus then:D

What if Goku uses the Hashuken?

Where he gets EIGHT arms and fight with all of them at the same time??

What about the Kiaiho?

Telekinetic force attacks (we've all seen manchester black throw superman around with those:D)

What about the Zanzoken?

Goku can leave multiple images of himself around so you don't which one is the real goku:up:

What about the ryu-ken (dragon fist)??

Goku summons a god damn godzilla sized dragon to kick ass with him:up:

[Krpton]

Yes, actually it was, so was the Trunks Special. - langoth

Nope. They were written by TOEI.

Lol, the narrator of the Trunks Special is crazy. He went: "Piccolo was the first to try, and the first to die. Vegeta, Tien, Yamcha, and even Krillin couldn't stop the androids." The "even Krillin"
remark the narrator made implies that Krillin > SSJ Vegeta, which is far from true.

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Krpton

Nope. They were written by TOEI.

You're missing the point moron. All of that happened whether put into manga form or not. Goku and others did die and trunks got sent back. Goku got sent to earth as a baby and his father and the planet vegeta did die at the hands of frieza.

Lol, the narrator of the Trunks Special is crazy. He went: "Piccolo was the first to try, and the first to die. Vegeta, Tien, Yamcha, and even Krillin couldn't stop the androids." The "even Krillin"
remark the narrator made implies that Krillin > SSJ Vegeta, which is far from true.

Yeah thats exactly what the narrator was implying:rolleyes:

Nothing gets past you...what a **** you are

[GammaBeast]

He didn't mean it that way, Krillin didn't really fight anymore so he was the most unlikely to try to fight them. It was meant to show how desperate the situation was that even Krillin tried.

[Langoth]

There is a reason why Piccolo died first too... no Piccolo, no Dragonballs.

[Krpton]

^The "even Krillin" is heavily implying that Krillin > the Z gang (except Goku) because the "even" is there, indicating that Krillin is strong. Usually when someones says "even" before the last person is announced, it means that that person is stronger than the rest. This just shows how stupid the narrator is.


anyway who cares, the movies dont count in arguments, even if its in continuity and specials, they was not written by AT, it was done by toei. only the anime counts.

[anarchistguy]

Originally posted by Krpton
Yes, actually it was, so was the Trunks Special. - langoth

Nope. They were written by TOEI.



Wrong. Actually, the Trunks special was loosely based on a (bonus) manga story written by Akira Toriyama. Now, for the Bardock Special, there's a part in the manga where Freezer, after his first glimpse at Goku, remembers a soldier who fought like crazy when he destroyed planet Vegeta. That solier was Bardock. Toei extended that part and made the Bardock special. So yeah, Both TV specials are acutally part of the continuity.

[Krpton]

then y did goku need a space pod in the manga to explain from namek, it because he coulnt breath in space. and the movie bardock was in space when he was fight back at frieza, it doesnr make sense does it.

orginal manga>>>>bonus manga.

i never heard of that bonus manga, r u sure ur not lieing, it would be nice if u showed some proof though?

[GammaBeast]

Originally posted by Krpton
^The "even Krillin" is heavily implying that Krillin > the Z gang (except Goku) because the "even" is there, indicating that Krillin is strong. Usually when someones says "even" before the last person is announced, it means that that person is stronger than the rest. This just shows how stupid the narrator is.


anyway who cares, the movies dont count in arguments, even if its in continuity and specials, they was not written by AT, it was done by toei. only the anime counts.

Usually thats the case, but not this time. It said "even" because Krillen was the least likely to fight and even he tried.

[Krpton]

Usually thats the case, but not this time. It said "even" because Krillen was the least likely to fight and even he tried.

then wht was the point in saying "even", its just normal.

[GammaBeast]

It was meant to show how desperate the situation was. They were so badly outmatched even Krillin jumped in to add what he could.

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Krpton
then y did goku need a space pod in the manga to explain from namek, it because he coulnt breath in space. and the movie bardock was in space when he was fight back at frieza, it doesnr make sense does it.

orginal manga>>>>bonus manga.

i never heard of that bonus manga, r u sure ur not lieing, it would be nice if u showed some proof though?

YOU SAY that you've got the manga on your computer so why would proof need to be shown??

I'll tell you why

Because you haven't read the manga and you haven't got it on your PC you lying sack of excrement


You get ALL your info off crappy DBZ websites and message boards:D


OMG bwhahahahhaa

Your stupidity rises every seconds of the ****ing day:D
The bonus story is IN the manga. It all written by torayama san. You change your ****ing tune every 5 seconds to suit your ****ty argument.


Goku needed a pod because IT WAS TOO FAR WAY TO TRAVEL.

Bardock was in space for a short time so it does make sense. It just that your retarded brain doesn't understand:up:

[X]

Krpton's now offically up there with Akira Dee and Diamond Head for pure friggin stupidity. Why are you on a mission to try and prove that Superman's better then Goku or whatever? ****ing pathetic. :rolleyes: :o

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Mr. X
Krpton's now offically up there with Akira Dee and Diamond Head for pure friggin stupidity. Why are you on a mission to try and prove that Superman's better then Goku or whatever? ****ing pathetic. :rolleyes: :o

LOL

:up:

If you want a good idea on his complete stupidity, read this post guyverjay wrote in the other thread. Make sure to read point 20 LOL:D

Originally posted by Guyverjay
Okay lets recap on the garbage krpton has spewed in this thread (for the benefit of those who can't be bothered to read through all of it.) shall we

1)Gotenks took 20 minutes (yes he said 20 and not 30 my mistake ) to fly around the earth 8 times (dispite the fact it was 9 times). He said it states 20 mins in the manga (rubbish). Then he later on says that NOONE really knows:rolleyes:

2)IT is the speed of light, so gokus maximum speed must be slower. )Despite the fact that in the original manga (which he says he has read) it never gives a speed)

3)Superman can put moisture into energy

4)Post crisis Superman can travel 20 times the speed of light (despite the fact that DC says 99% )

5)Saying that superman going into the sun is an act of durability (despite the fact that it is his power source)

6) Mentioning cooler being killed in the sun to back up DB characters not being as durable as superman . Then later on saying that the movies don't actually matter

7)Posting Dragoball facts from another website and then pretending they are his own points

8)Not being able to explain the buus (despite saying that he's read the manga) and having to ASK on another messageboard for the answer

9) Completely making up some purifying process nonsense in GT to disprove Goku may be immortal

10)Superman can't be ripped apart( despite the fact thats he's been beaten to death twice)

11)Superman can blow hard enough to bend the fabric of existance

12) Goku was scared of getting blown up with the planet namek. (despite the fact that he CHOSE to stay)

13)Using Mystic gohans death from the implosion of earth to prove that Goku can't survive the explosion of a planet. (Despite the fact that Gohan was unconcious and drained of energy from being inside of buu.)

14) Saying Goku can't survive the explosion of a planet (despite the fact that the weaker frieza could.). In fact the weaker freiza was dying BEFORE the planet even went up but he still survived the explosion and lasted long enough to be rescued. Of course Freiza bot then decided to destroy the earth (when fighting trunks) with a blast that was 10 times more powerful than the one used on Namek. If he couldn't survive a planet exploding why would he blow it up while he was still on it?

15)Superman is immortal

16) Superman will go to the sun and get a boost and that energy will be with him forever. (despite the fact that supes is a battery and his energy can run out). Not ony that but he seems to think that whenever supes is in trouble he will just go off into the sun. .

17)SS4 Goku is only slightly stronger than mystic Gohan (**** knows where you got that from)

18)Talking about a WW3 JLA issue (a comic that he's never read)

19) Saying that Goku is NOT stronger than Superman (despite the fact that there is no evidence to prove that Goku is weaker because he's never been shown to reach a limit, and he says WE speculate?)

20)Superman can get a power boost from a RED STAR (do I even to explain the absolute stupidity of that one???)

21)Superman doesn't get injured (ever heard of Doomsday?)

22)Superman is apparently a fighting genius:rolleyes: (LOL)

23)Superman can BLOW a kamahamaha wave back

24) Ki blasts don't move at super speed (despite the fact they can reach the sun in seconds when it take Superman 8 MINUTES)

25)Superman has mastered super speed fighting (despite the fact that he virtually never actually does it,. He regularly gets hit by people who are nowhere near his speed)

26)Superman can freeze PURE ENERGY ( I don't think I need to bother explaining that one)

27)Apparently martial arts in a fight doesn't really matter because "a punch is a punch and kick is a kick"

28)If you're stronger and faster than your opponent, you don't need fighting skills(tell that to Batman and Caprtain america)

29)Using Smallville as evidence and then saying its based on the comics (the only thing they have in common are the names of some of the characters:D )

30)He says the Hulk has the abilty to stop objects crumbling under thier own weight just like Superman (dispite the fact that ths has never been stated in his entire 40 year history)

31) Breath has spirit energy because it comes from inside your body (my god this stuff gets worse)

32) Superboy gets his Tactile telekinisis from superman because he's a clone, therefore Superman has tactile TK. (Despite the fact that superboy is NOT a perfect clone of supes (he's part human) because that its IMPOSSIBLE and superman not actually having that power)


33)Saying that he will SCAN his manga to show us the panels of Gohan teaching Videl. (Then not only NOT doing it but later on stating that he actually had it on it on his computer, read it and deleted it a long time ago:rolleyes: )

34)A wooden splinter entering your body automatically becomes Ki energy (LOL)

35)He says at one time superman could do ANYTHING that you can imagine

36)Superman solar energy stores is enough power to destroy the universe, (Despite the fact even if the entire sun were to blow it wouldn't even destroy 1% of the galaxy)

37)Using Supermans turning back time in the movie by rotatiing the earth as an example, But then later saying you can't use Dragonball movies as examples

38)Saying a giant ape had enough power to destroy the planet despite it not being able to break out of a steel cage)

39)Supes can tickle Goku to death

40)Saying that only the manga matters then using parts of GT in his argument

41) Using Kingdom come in his superman examples (despite the fact that it isn't continuity and he hasn't read it)

42) Accepting comic evidence whenever supes does something spectacular but disregarding it (saying it doesn't matter) when he gets his ass kicked

No doubt there is more (and yes I was bored, being off work with the flu will do that:p)

Yes this a long post, not as long as his combined drivvle (since he's repeated himself like 100 times since he entered the thread).

bwhahaha

[X]

Ah man. :o :(

:D

[anarchistguy]

Originally posted by Krpton
then y did goku need a space pod in the manga to explain from namek, it because he coulnt breath in space. and the movie bardock was in space when he was fight back at frieza, it doesnr make sense does it.

orginal manga>>>>bonus manga.

I never heard of that bonus manga. Are you sure you're not lying? It would be nice if you showed some proof though?

You want proof?

I got your damn proof right here:

http://dotchan.com/tts/

The WHOLE DAMN STORY is there for you to read it.

[Guyverjay]

Now even though I've been wanting to stay out of this I must say

OWNED:D

[anarchistguy]

:D

[Krpton]

Now even though I've been wanting to stay out of this I must say

OWNED


y, i wanted proof and i got it, i didnt mean it in a bad way asking for proof. y did i get owned, i got what i wanted.

[Krpton]

also, do u know how dbz was to be finished, it was goku doeing in space, when he couldnt find a space pod after defeating frieza, so he dies as the LSSJ, but toei forced him to continue with the manga. so AT made goku find a space pod, so goku cannot breathe in space.

[Krpton]

20)Superman can get a power boost from a RED STAR (do I even to explain the absolute stupidity of that one???)

also jay, i never said that, show me the link i said that, u just made that bit up, or accidently did, but i never said that.

[Krpton]

YOU SAY that you've got the manga on your computer so why would proof need to be shown??

I'll tell you why

Because you haven't read the manga and you haven't got it on your PC you lying sack of excrement

how many times do i have to say this, i HAD the manag on my pc, downloaded from cdisplay, then got deleted.

[Langoth]

If you really had the manga, you would have remembered that part, you are a liar Krpton, know why you would have remembered? Because that part is kinda memorable, thatis unless your retarded, which would make alot of sense at this point.

[Krpton]

but i downloaded it, and i never got the bonus manga or whtever it is.

[MFM]

Originally posted by Mr. X
Darkseid isn't a full blown cosmic being. He used to be, when John Byrne wrote him during THe Great Darkness saga and what not, but not anymore. Orion's beaten him a couple of times, in one probable future he flat out kills him for good.Never doubted that fact.

Originally posted by Mr. X
Goku's a lot faster then Superman. By the time Superman could begin to mount any real offensive, Goku could just teleport all over him or simply outmanuever him. Goku's gone up against other insanly powerful being, and he's apperared so fast to them that he was standing still when he was actually dodging their attacks.Superman is also so fast that he could actually make himself "intangible", and his enemy seems like hitting the air.

Originally posted by Mr. X
As I said, if Darkseid wanted to, his Omega Beams would easily overpower Supermans. Bad writing otherwise.The fact that Superman did counter that beam with heat vision does proof that his heat vision is pretty powerful. Only if Darkseid really wanted to obliterate Superman...

Originally posted by Mr. X
When did he reheat the Earths core anyhow? Sounds like something that would happen Pre-Crisis. Most things like that are discounted anyway in discussions like these, highs and lows. Goku's pretty consistently very bad ass... Adventure of Superman #620.

[X]

Originally posted by MFM Superman is also so fast that he could actually make himself "intangible", and his enemy seems like hitting the air.

He's going so fast, by the time his oppenant perceives what's going on and reacts, he's gone. And that's when he fights people that have some degree of super speed. Not really that impressive. Goku's literally stood in one place against other insanly fast beings and appeared standing still, even when being attacked at super speed...

The fact that Superman did counter that beam with heat vision does proof that his heat vision is pretty powerful. Only if Darkseid really wanted to obliterate Superman...

What's impressive? Darkseid considerably holding back, just trying to neatralize Superman if anything? As I said, Darkseid could of casually pushed a wee bit more and he would of overrode Superman's heat vision and put him down.

[Krpton]

[B]You want proof?

I got your damn proof right here:

http://dotchan.com/tts/

The WHOLE DAMN STORY is there for you to read it.[B]

im not talking about the trunks bonus manga, im talking about the bardock.
u gave me the wrong proof.
so jay i never got "OWNED".

[Krpton]

btw mr. x goku cant use IT moving at superspeeds, all the other die hard dbz fans on most if not all forums agree with this, other wise, goku would beat everyone easily in dbz.

[anarchistguy]

Originally posted by Krpton
[B]You want proof?

I got your damn proof right here:

http://dotchan.com/tts/

The WHOLE DAMN STORY is there for you to read it.[B]

im not talking about the trunks bonus manga, im talking about the bardock.
u gave me the wrong proof.
so jay i never got "OWNED".

Just exactly what the hell are you talking about? I never talked about a Bardock bonus manga. Bardock was only in a flashback. Trunks was the oe with a bonus mange. Didn't you read my post carefully?

[X]

Originally posted by Krpton
btw mr. x goku cant use IT moving at superspeeds, all the other die hard dbz fans on most if not all forums agree with this, other wise, goku would beat everyone easily in dbz.

Can't use what?

[Nathan]

Instant Transmission.

[Langoth]

Originally posted by anarchistguy
Just exactly what the hell are you talking about? I never talked about a Bardock bonus manga. Bardock was only in a flashback. Trunks was the oe with a bonus mange. Didn't you read my post carefully?

Of course he didn't, as A- He's a ****ing idiot, and B- he doesn't care.

[GarudA]

Topic of this thread says "Pre-Crisis vs Goku"
Not Post Crisis, people keep dismissing Pre-Crisis and using Post-Crisis

[X]

Originally posted by GarudA
Topic of this thread says "Pre-Crisis vs Goku"
Not Post Crisis, people keep dismissing Pre-Crisis and using Post-Crisis

And I cleared that up earlier. :up:

[Nathan]

I'm bored, and I thought you guys might be interested in what the people over at http://www.electricferret.com/ think about this Superman/Goku match-up.

http://www.electricferret.com/battle/contenders/superman_2.jpg http://www.electricferret.com/battle/PageImages/vs.gif http://www.electricferret.com/battle/contenders/goku_2.jpg

THE SCENARIO

Since the 1930's Superman has set the tone for massively overpowered superhero's. Does anyone even know his complete catalog of powers? We're pretty sure at one time or another he's had every one listed in the Marvel Superheroes Ultimate Power Guide (TM). Seriously, how much kryptonite is there in the world? Apparently enough to give him a challenge for over half a century of cartoon and comic book appearances. Invulnerable, planet-crushing strength and faster than light with a few dozen odd powers thrown in, Superman is the one American Superhero every villain hates to have crash their party.

Enter Goku. Japanese Anime's answer to the Man of Steel. Since this cartoon moved across the ocean from Japan to the Cartoon Network, Dragon Ball Z mania has overtaken the youth of today. Consider: a character built on the assumption that there is no upper power limit *Ever*. Each week features a new mindbogglingly devastating attack from the hero in question. How to challenge such a character? In the show DragonBall-Z, challenging Goku seems irrelevant compared to blowing up things in new and spectacular ways... but they try.

Which brings us to this weeks challenge. We've set these two down on their own uninhabited planet to do combat. (Yes, near a Yellow Sun for you superman gurus). We'll watch the battle from orbit and bring you all the play-by-play of this incredible match.

Join Us Now in a battle we had to call...

THE BATTLE

T-1000: Hello ladies and gentlemen and welcome back to Khazan arena. Heroes, champions, monsters, villains and spectators from all across the multiverse are gathered here today for this legendary match between Superman and Goku. From Sports box, I am T-1000


Tech Supreme: And I am Tech Supreme. Welcome to today's match. Spectators willing to pay the raised ticket prices are sure to get their money's worth today as these two champions of truth, justice and the Sayain/Kryptonian way are about to go toe to toe in a no holds barred match for charity.


T-1000: Before we begin, we would like to apologize on behalf of the normal arena commentators, Harley Quinn and the Goddess Callisto, who could not be here today.


Tech Supreme: Yes, such a tragedy really. It started out as a simple practical joke between the two co-workers, and to make a long story short, neither of the commentators will be back in action until the arena officials can locate the rest of Callisto's hair, and the rest of Ms. Quinn's skin.

T-1000: Never the less, we determined and proud few here in the Sports box will continue to give you up to the nano-second commentary on this match.


Tech Supreme: I have never seen the arena as packed as today, T. Arena staff are struggling to get all the spectators to their assorted seats while the technicians make sure the God-Proof Dome is full functioning. The two contenders are out in the middle of the sand, warming up and stretching.


T-1000: Goku looks to be arguing with the referee regarding his ability to begin this match as a super sayain.


Tech Supreme: The referee seems to be waving the Fight Contract Goku signed for this match, specifically forcing him to begin this fight in his natural state.


T-1000: Goku is deferring to the referee's call here and it looks like the contenders are ready to get underway.


Tech Supreme: Unfortunately, it looks like the fighters are being told to wait. It seems that some of the spectators are still not seated. Apparently, President Luthor's limousine couldn't find a parking space because of some intergalactic space motorcycle or something parked in the VIP lot.

T-1000: I'm also told that the Capsule Co. luxury booth was nearly hijacked by a disgruntled Ginyu force. Fortunately, the Capsule Co.'s president's husband was able to clear them out, and everyone is now being seated.


Tech Supreme: Well, while we are waiting for these issues to sort themselves out, let's take a second to hear from our sponsor.


Sponsor: Huh? What, we're not supposed to be on yet! What's going on....


T-1000: Our sponsor ladies and gentlemen.


Tech Supreme: I think it's time to tell the audience about our special feature for today.


T-1000: Ah yes. You see, our two fighters have a nasty habit of moving faster than the eye can see while in combat. In order not to disappoint the audience, we are going to place both of our combatants into a sort of temporal fluke.


Tech Supreme: Don't you mean temporal "flux"?


T-1000: No, I mean "fluke". Our two combatants are going to be placed slightly outside the normal flow of time. This will have the effect of making them seem as though they are moving extremely slowly, so as to allow our audience to keep up with their super speed.


Tech Supreme: Incidentally, this service is being rendered to the arena, courtesy of Parallax's Temporal Management Service. "PTMS: Giving you more free time for your every day activities, even if it ends the universe."


T-1000: Alright, the officials are finishing explaining the rules to the fighters, and hurrying out of the arena, sealing the God Proof Dome behind them.


Tech Supreme: Parallax is creating the Temporal Fluke and imposing it on our fighters.


T-1000: There is the bell and the match is under way!


Tech Supreme: Goku stops to power up, no doubt trying to transform into a Super Sayain.


T-1000: Superman doesn't hesitate, blasting off at super speed and plowing into Goku, sending them both crashing into the arena walls.


Tech Supreme: Superman is off to a fast and furious start, pummeling Goku with super fast fists, trying to take him down before this match has barely begun.


T-1000: I don't believe it. Superman didn't let Goku power up! Wow, what a tactician. Superman is preventing Goku from fighting at his maximum power. Amazing, I'd have never thought of that.


Tech Supreme: Goku tries to blow Superman off of him using his energy. He gets a few spare inches and uses it to disappear.


T-1000: Goku reappears behind Superman, and delivers a powerful kick to the back, knocking Superman face first into the arena wall with a monstrous thud!


Tech Supreme: Superman doesn't slow down for a minute, trying to press his momentary advantage; he turns around with a full blast of heat visions to Goku.


T-1000: Goku manages to block the beam with his arms thrown up over his face.


Tech Supreme: Goku blocks the blast, but the heat looks like is managed to shock Goku. He's trying to blow on his arms to cool them off.


T-1000: Superman flies forwards and gives Goku a hard uppercut across the face, knocking him up into the air, with Superman in close pursuit.


Tech Supreme: Superman dives forwards like a bullet towards Goku.


T-1000: Superman hits! No, he missed!


Tech Supreme: No, he flew right through Goku!


T-1000: Ladies and gentlemen, Goku seems to have given Superman the momentary slip using the After Image technique.


Tech Supreme: Superman is stopped in his tracks, searching for any signs of his sayain opponent.


T-1000: He just found one! Goku reappears right behind Superman, and hits hard with a mad roundhouse kick to the chest. Superman is sent hurdling right into the God Proof Dome.


Tech Supreme: The Dome holds, but the impact has literally shaken the entire arena. The fans are looking worried here.


T-1000: Superman tries to recover but Goku lets loose with a barrage of energy blasts.


Tech Supreme: Superman is on the defensive, ducking and dodging all over the arena trying to steer clear of those blasts.


T-1000: Ouch! A stray blast seems to have struck true and hits Superman in the lower abdomen. Supes is stunned and Goku dives forward, dropkicking Superman and knocking him down to the sand.


Tech Supreme: Superman crashes, sending tons of sand and dirt up into the air with the impact.


T-1000: Goku chases after. He straightens up and it looks like he is trying to land feet first on top of Superman's spine.


Tech Supreme: Superman starts spinning at super speed. He is becoming a living drill and manages to tunnel underground.


T-1000: Goku stops himself before hitting the ground. Goku is frantically searching the arena floor for some sign off Superman.


Tech Supreme: Too late. Superman burrows up right beside Goku and grabs Goku's right leg. He is swinging him around at incredible speeds, creating a tornado of sand and dirt in the center of the arena that is going to give the clean-up crew a heart attack later.


T-1000: Superman let's fly, sending Goku crashing head first against the arena barrier.


Tech Supreme: Superman chases after him. Goku is regaining his sense, and disappears again at super speed.


T-1000: Superman stops himself in mid flight, searching again for Goku.


Tech Supreme: It looks like a tall, brown haired reporter from the Daily Planet section is pointing to him. She appears to be signaling him to look up.


T-1000: Superman looks up, oh. And now Superman looks worried.


Tech Supreme: Goku is glowing in a brilliant bright, yellow light. It looks like Goku got the split-second breather he needed to go Super Sayain.


T-1000: Superman isn't looking pleased about this. Goku is just hovering in the air above him with an iron look of resolve in his face.


Tech Supreme: Superman flies up to eye-to-eye level with Goku.


T-1000: Superman lashes out with the heat vision, but no luck. Goku appears totally unfazed.


Tech Supreme: Supes doesn't let up. He flies forward and plows his fist into Goku's face.


T-1000: Ouch, that had to hurt. Nope, wait, I guess not. Goku barely even nudges to the blow.


Tech Supreme: Ouch! Now that had to hurt! Goku delivers a solid knee blow to Superman's gut. That shot looks like it might have knocked the wind right out of Superman. The big guy is coughing and hacking and struggling to regain his composure.


T-1000: Goku still maintains his unflinching look as he casually slaps Superman across the face.


Tech Supreme: Goku's "casual slap" appears to have just sent Superman, once again crashing into the arena dome with an earth shacking crash. I don't believe it; he actually cracked the God Proof Dome! Damn it, we still haven't gotten the insurance on that yet.


T-1000: Superman struggles to recover and buy himself space.


Tech Supreme: Goku blinks out at super speed and reappears in front of Goku, inches in front of Superman's face.


T-1000: Superman tries to fly up to get some air, but Goku grabs Superman's left leg and throws him back to the ground.


Tech Supreme: Goku seems to have total control of the situation. Superman was obviously hoping to press his attack at super speed to keep Goku from going Super Sayain.


T-1000: Goku blinks out again at super speed and reappears again in front of Superman, who is struggling just to get back to his feet.


Tech Supreme: Superman manages to get off a shot of super breath this time, attempting to encase Goku in solid ice.


T-1000: No good, Goku casually blows the ice off of him with nothing more than his energy.


Tech Supreme: Goku appears to be expecting another attack, but Superman is flying away.


T-1000: It's up, up and away for Superman, right into the upper ceiling of the God Proof Dome.


Tech Supreme: Is Superman trying to escape the arena to get away from Goku?


T-1000: If so, he is in trouble. That dome is not cracking.


Tech Supreme: Superman appears to be pounding at the dome ceiling, trying desperately to crack the God Proof glass.


T-1000: Goku is closing his hands together. I think we know what's coming next.


Goku (On Sound Mike): Kaaaaa....meeeeeeeee...haaaaaaaa...meeeeeee..HA!


Tech Supreme: A huge blast of blue energy fires outwards from Goku's palms and straight forward towards Superman.


T-1000: Superman turns around to see a huge energy blast coming right at him.


Tech Supreme: Superman doesn't seem to be afraid.


T-1000: Well sure, he'll just die. For our contenders here, that's no big deal.


Tech Supreme: The kamehameha wave is getting closer and closer, Superman doesn't seem worried, nor is he making any effort to dodge.


T-1000: The blast hits! No, it misses.


Tech Supreme: Superman dodges at the last second. The kamehameha wave races past Superman and blasts right through the God Proof Dome.


T-1000: Superman waits for the blast to clear and then races out of the arena through the hole in the dome.


Tech Supreme: Goku realizes what he has done and races after Superman.


T-1000: Superman is racing out for his life. I don't get it; he's got to know Superman is faster than him as a super sayain.


Tech Supreme: No, Superman is racing out to the limits of the atmosphere. Sayains can't breathe in space; Superman may be trying to hide from Goku in outer space.


T-1000: Goku is closing in on Superman; Superman is just seconds away from the void of space.


Tech Supreme: It looks like this is close enough. Goku appears to be having a hard time breathing and appears to be giving up on the chase.


T-1000: Well, Superman is racing out into the depths of space. Where is he going?


Tech Supreme: Good question. Let's ask our sideline commentator, Demon Lantern aboard the USS Leick.


Demon Lantern: Hi everybody! Well, aboard the USS Leick, the proud flagship of the Khazan arena, recently retrofitted with brand new tech from Wayne Enterprises, Stark International and Capsule Corporation. We are tracking Superman heading straight for the sun.


T-1000: Oh no!


Demon Lantern: I am afraid so. Superman is diving straight into the heart of the sun. Fortunately, we can still scan through all the radiation and interference. It looks like Superman is sucking in the sun's power. His power levels are rising at a dramatic rate here. We've got sensors going off the charts here.


Tech Supreme: Back in the arena, Goku appears to be staring off in the exact direction that Superman ran off in. If I didn't know better, I would have to guess that he can sense Superman's power level getting much higher.


Demon Lantern: I can't imagine how he could miss it. Our power sensors are going nuts. If this keeps up, we are sure to have a random console explode. Oops, never mind.


T-1000: According to the Leick's sensors, Superman is really going nuts inside the sun. He is absorbing enormous amounts of energy.


Tech Supreme: Back in the arena, Goku doesn't look too pleased about this. He looks like he is getting ready to power up again.


Goku: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!


T-1000: What is he doing, passing a stone down there?


Tech Supreme: Nope, his hair is getting longer, the Earth is shaking; Goku is going Super Sayain 3.


Demon Lantern: Look out everybody, but I think the sun just hit the fan. The USS Leick's sensors are showing Superman has left the sun and is heading straight for one of the three remaining moons over Khazan.


Tech Supreme: Is he going to land on the moon?


T-1000: Worst. He is moving the moon! Superman has apparently gained enough power to move the moon.


Demon Lantern: Uh, guys? I think you should know; the moon is on a collision course, with Khazan arena!


Tech Supreme: Superman is trying to push the moon right on top of Khazan arena. What, is he nuts??


T-1000: The audience here at the arena is obviously getting a little concerned about the fact that the moon over the arena is getting bigger and bigger.


Tech Supreme: Goku seems rather unimpressed by the fact that a giant moon is getting ready to land right on top of him. Wait, he is cupping his palms together aga.. oh no. Not again.


Goku: Kaaaaa....


T-1000: Goku's gathering enough energy to make the sand in the arena go flying like a whirlwind around him.


Goku: meeeeeeeee...


Tech Supreme: The moon is getting closer and closer. The audience has already bolted it for the exits. I'm not even sure the God Proof Dome can handle a moon.


Goku: haaaaaaaa...


T-1000: We're going to die!


Goku: meeeeeee..


Tech Supreme: HOLD ME!


Goku: HA!


T-1000: Goku lets fly with the kamehameha wave.


Tech Supreme: Direct hit! The moon is blasted into thousands of millions of pieces that are dispersing around the entire area, raining death down on everyone in the arena running for their lives.


T-1000: The numerous heroes present in the audience are already on the job, keeping the people safe as they run for their cars. Already the Justice League are evacuating the people to safety, and I can already see the Z fighters covering them, blasting the chunks of flying moon into ashes.


Tech Supreme: Amidst the rubble and debris scattering around the area, I can see Superman charging Goku right through the scattered debris.


T-1000: Superman takes advantage of Goku being distracted to fly in and land a solid shot to Goku.


Tech Supreme: And the fight rages on. Goku uppercuts into Superman's gut and Superman retaliates with a heat vision shot to Goku's foot.


T-1000: Goku is dancing around, trying to put his foot out and Superman lets loose with a solid shot Goku's face, knocking him right through the God Proof Dome.


Tech Supreme: Goku goes flying through the God Proof Dome, shattering it as if it were made of glass.


T-1000: Superman goes chasing after him, but Goku disappears using Instant Transmission.


Tech Supreme: Goku reappears behind Superman a split second later. Goku places both his hands up to Superman's backside and fires a direct energy blast at point blank range.


T-1000: I can't believe this, even in a Temporal Fluke, they are moving just to fast to keep up with. Huge chunks of moon are flying everywhere, and our two opponents just keep beating each other's heads in.


Tech Supreme: Goku and Superman are moving all over the place in a whirlwind of punches and energy beams.


T-1000: Hang on, the two of them are stopped. Uh-oh, there's that look. I think our two opponents are getting ready to pull out all the stops.


Tech Supreme: Superman's eyes are glowing a bright red. Unbelievable, the light from those eyes is brighter than the sun.


T-1000: Goku is getting ready for another Kamehameha wave. He is generating a glaring blue light. Both of our contenders are getting ready to fire.

[Nathan]

Tech Supreme: This is it!


T-1000: Here they go!


Tech Supreme: HOLD ME!


DUE TO TECHNICAL REASONS, THERE IS NO ACTUAL SCORE FOR THIS FIGHT. WE'LL CALL IT A DRAW, SHALL WE?



T-1000: .......


Tech Supreme: .........


T-1000: Are we alive?


Tech Supreme: I.I think so.


T-1000: I can't see anyone out in the arena.


Tech Supreme: Wait, there are our opponents. Both of them are on the ground and out like lights.


T-1000: Arena officials are going out to check out on the two.


Tech Supreme: And it looks like they are both getting the green light. They are alive, but aren't going to be getting up for another few days.


T-1000: Well, I guess that is it. From the shattered remains of the Sports box, I am T-1000.


Tech Supreme: And I am Tech Supreme, signing off.

[MFM]

Here's something that's quite interesting too. I'm sure maybe some of you might have seen them, but meh... :cyclops:

http://www.deviantart.com/view/8506189/
http://www.deviantart.com/view/8506294/
http://www.deviantart.com/view/8506377/
http://www.deviantart.com/view/8506482/
http://www.deviantart.com/view/8506551/
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http://www.deviantart.com/view/8526903/
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http://www.deviantart.com/view/8527215/
http://www.deviantart.com/view/8527318/
http://www.deviantart.com/view/8527403/
http://www.deviantart.com/view/8527533/ (http://www.deviantart.com/view/8527533/)

[Nathan]

Saved them. :cool:

[Nathan]

Ok, read it. There are two things I don't like about this comic.

1. Goku was totally out of character. He would never start a fight or even threaten someones city. Of course he would ask Superman for a few spare rounds.

But if Superman says no, Goku would just sob around like a little child and keep asking. He's not Vegeta and starts hitting you out of the blue.

2. The way Goku got knocked out. You know, Supes isn't the only one who can hold his breath. Good, Goku can't hold his breath for hours like Superman, but still long enough to think of something.

Also the cold in space wouldn't be that much of a problem. There's something called the Hyperbolic Time chamber, and he had enough experience with the cold.




Whoever draw that didn't do his homework.

[Guyverjay]

Ahh that was cool , complete crap out of couse but entertaining none the less:up:

Goku wouldn't force the fight if supes didn't want to. The most Goku would do is resort to childish insults but thats it.

Goku hasnt used his staff since he was a teen


Where the other SSJ transformations??

Gokus very own father fought en entire army in outer space and he got less than 0000.1 % of Gokus powers yet he has Goku taken out by thin atmospshere? LOL

Flying THROUGH the kamahamaha wave??

Coud that possible get any more stupid.?

The wave would have exploded

If supes powers don't register a Ki signature then how would he know that superman was strong in the first place?:o

Where was the Instantaneous movement?

[Langoth]

Written Fight Scene-

I don't agree with the draw, Goku would have enough power to shatter a star at that level of power... But still, very well done :)

Much better then the...

Comic-
Only one foe so far has flown through the Kamehameha, and A- that foe wasn't fightin Goku as a Super Saiyan, B- That foe happened to be considered the absolute most powerful being in the universe and was heir to the Kold Empire, and also is responsible for trillions of deaths-

His name is Cooler, or Kuura, or Koola, or Kooler, or Coola... well you get the point. And he was in movie 5, MOVIE 5, meaning its void.

Honestly, that comic was interesting, but complete bull****, as it ignored many facts, and had plotholes even >.> (Ones that Guyverjay mentioned)

[anarchistguy]

Originally posted by Guyverjay


Goku hasnt used his staff since he was a teen



Actually, he DID use it as a teen. When Goku fought Demon Lord Piccolo, he was 15 years old, three years later, in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, he turned 18. If you mean to say he was a teen in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai and he stopped using it at that time, then you are wrong. He was already an adult at that time. If that wasn't what you're talking about, than I sincerly regret wasting my time typing all this.

[Nathan]

Wait, there was one occasion where Goku used his staff, when he was an adult.

Anyone remember the Movie with Garlic Jr?

[Guyverjay]

The Dead Zone

Goku was 24 in that, though I wasn't counting the movies anyway.

Besides Goku is already an SSJ so why on earth would he be using his staff?

[anarchistguy]

Yeah, but it was out of contnuity.

[Nathan]

Yeah, true.

[anarchistguy]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
The Dead Zone

Goku was 24 in that, though I wasn't counting the movies anyway.

Besides Goku is already an SSJ so why on earth would he be using his staff?

Actually, he was 23, but who gives a ****, right? And besides, even if he wanted to use his nyo-i bo, he can't because it now serves as a link between Korin and God's (Kami) Temples.

[Guyverjay]

Well it can't actually be proven is was 23 since its not in continuity. The only proof of his age is that Gohan is in it. Unless you can prove otherwise?

Plus Gohan sings his " I LOVE MR PICCOLLO" song which means he already knows piccollo. Goku is 24 at the start of DBZ.

[X]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
Well it can't actually be proven is was 23 since its not in continuity. The only proof of his age is that Gohan is in it. Unless you can prove otherwise?

Plus Gohan sings his " I LOVE MR PICCOLLO" song which means he already knows piccollo. Goku is 24 at the start of DBZ.

You're a ****ing guru dude. :D

[Guyverjay]

:D:up:

[anarchistguy]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
Well it can't actually be proven is was 23 since its not in continuity. The only proof of his age is that Gohan is in it. Unless you can prove otherwise?

Plus Gohan sings his " I LOVE MR PICCOLLO" song which means he already knows piccollo. Goku is 24 at the start of DBZ.

Dragon Ball Z starts 5 years after Dragon Ball. Goku was 18 at the end of Dragon Ball. 18+5=23.

[Guyverjay]

Goku was 19 at the 23rd Budoukai.

He was born in the year 737, the 23rd takes place in the year 756

Which is weird because that would make Krilyn 14 at his first Budoukai which obviously isn't true.

The only explanation I can give is that the bodoukai takes place in May and thus no one knows what month Goku and Krllyn births days are in.

After all those year numbers are from the official DB time line

[anarchistguy]

Damn it you're right. The "Dragon Ball Encyclopedia" apparently miscalculated. This encylclopedia has EVERYTHING you want to know about the Dragon Ball universe (not counting GT).

Cover of this encyclopedia:

http://www.alapage.com/get_img.php?cgi=livre_l&ref=l_isbn&num_ref=2723429458r

[Nathan]

Originally posted by anarchistguy
Damn it you're right. The "Dragon Ball Encyclopedia" apparently miscalculated. This encylclopedia has EVERYTHING you want to know about the Dragon Ball universe (not counting GT).

Cover of this encyclopedia:

http://www.alapage.com/get_img.php?cgi=livre_l&ref=l_isbn&num_ref=2723429458r

I want it! NOW! :mad:

[X]

Amazon.com. :)

[anarchistguy]

Originally posted by Nathan
I want it! NOW! :mad:

Hehe. I figured I'd make you suffer a bit more. Here goes:

This book contains:

-VERY detailed biography of EVERY character (including movie and filler ones) from Dragon Ball/Z complete with pictures and japanese spelling of their names
(i.e: Vegeta=Bejita, Krillin=Kuririn, Tien=Tenshinhan, etc...)
-VERY detailed list of EVERY technique and transformation ever used in Dragon Ball/Z, also with pictures, japanese spelling of their names. (Special Beam Cannon=Makankosappo, Tri Beam= Kikoho, Super Saiyan=Supa Saiyajin, etc...), and explaination
-Official Dragon Ball timeline (Also very detailed)
-List of almost EVERY piece of merchandise baring the Dragon Ball/Z name.
-Detailed explaination of how Akira Toriyama created Dragon Ball
-Answers what happened to some characters we never see again (Pilaf, Lunch)

...plus many more

[Guyverjay]

Lets all chip in and buy it for krpton:p

[X]

I'll seriously throw him five bucks or something. You have Paypal Krypton? I'll give you an amazon.com gift certificate. :up:

[anarchistguy]

Sorry,but unless Krpton understands French, he can't read the book, which means he's screwed.

Oh, yeah. There's also this book called Le Grand Livre de Dragon Ball (The great Dragon Ball book in english). This book is like an illustrated Dragon Ball bible. It has almost EVERY color picture (265 illustrations to be exact) Akira Toriyama ever drew concerning Dragon Ball. The drawings are shown chronologically (from when Goku was a kid to his SSJ 3 days), so you can very well see the evolution of Toriyama's style throughout Dragon Ball. The book also includes a comment on each drawing and an interview with Akira Toriyama.

Cover of the book:

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/cat-deb/toriworld/dragon_ball/publications/fr_grandlivre.jpg

Useless to say I've got both of these books. Ten of these books were released in Japan, but only two were realeased in French. I'm pretty sure the remaining 8 will be relaeased as well.

Here Are the pics and descriptions of each book



Book 1
http://www.splashpagecomics.com/art/dbart1.jpg
is the book I just described

Book 2
http://www.splashpagecomics.com/art/dbart2.jpg
comments on the scenario of the story

Book 3
http://www.splashpagecomics.com/art/dbart3.jpg
comments on the first Dragon Ball anime

Book 4
http://www.splashpagecomics.com/art/dbart4.jpg
talks about the various planets and dimensions in the Dragon Ball universe

Book 5
http://www.splashpagecomics.com/art/dbart5.jpg
comments on the Dragon Ball Z anime series up to the Cell saga

Book 6
http://www.splashpagecomics.com/art/dbart6.jpg
talks about the Dragon Ball/Z movies (ALL of them)

Book 7
http://www.splashpagecomics.com/art/dbart7.jpg
is the Dragon Ball encyclopedia (I already described it)

Book 8 comments on the DragonBall Z anime series up to the Majin Buu Saga (to the end)

Books 9 and 10 are a reference about obtaining collecting cards.

Useless to say that with these books in hand, you'll become a TRUE Dragon Ball guru.

[Nathan]

Originally posted by anarchistguy
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/cat-deb/toriworld/dragon_ball/publications/fr_grandlivre.jpg

I'm a proud owner of that book. :D

[X]

He can barely speak English. :(

[Krpton]

y do u guys still pick on me despite the fact i havent posted for nearly 2days and yet u still do it.
u ppl ar out of order.

[anarchistguy]

the hell? I wasn't picking on you in the slightest.

[Krpton]

ok not u, my bad.

Lets all chip in and buy it for krpton - jay

I'll seriously throw him five bucks or something. You have Paypal Krypton? I'll give you an amazon.com gift certificate.

He can barely speak English. - mr x

please stop.

and nathan gets angry wid me and swear at me at times, but the worst has to be jason.

[X]

Jason CC isn't annoying like you. Or uninformed. Or desperate. Or a pain in the ass.

You are.

[Langoth]

Originally posted by Nathan
I'm a proud owner of that book. :D

You are?

Hey can you tell me the history of Turles? I mean in the biography does it say much about his past pre DBZ movie 3? Or why he behaves the way he does?

[Nathan]

Originally posted by Langoth
You are?

Hey can you tell me the history of Turles? I mean in the biography does it say much about his past pre DBZ movie 3? Or why he behaves the way he does?

Sorry, what I have is just an Artbook. It tells you nothing about the characters.

There aren't even pictures of characters in the book, which are out of continuity. Which means, there's no Brolly, C13, Janemba or Turles.

Just Freezer, Cell, Boo and the rest of the gang.

[Krpton]

Jason CC isn't annoying like you. Or uninformed. Or desperate. Or a pain in the ass.

You are.

but i didnt poist for 2 days, so there was no way i could have annoyed u, and yet u still cuss me while im not here.

ok sorry if i was apain in the ass, sorry nathan, jason, langoth, jay, gammabeast and mr x.

and please dont cuss me no more.

thanks.

[Krpton]

Jason CC isn't annoying like you. Or uninformed. Or desperate. Or a pain in the ass.

You are.

no, jason cusses me the most for no reason, he doesnt even listen to me, then he cusses my mum, i tell him to stop yet he still carries on, he doesnt know nothing about my mum and still cusses her.

i hate him so much, but i dont insult him, he annoys me to death and ppl like jay, mr x, nathan but i dont insult them, u guys just want someone to pick on.

[X]

Right, right. We're all out to get you. I should just respect you and what not when you're asking us for information and we give you links and you completely ignore everything we say and continue to live on your in little fabricated reality. And annoy us. Let's not forget you're the kid who thought Doomsday penis was Kryptonite. Hardy Har Har. :mad: :o

[Krpton]

penis?, jason made that up, see he even lie about me, u can even check on that thread, it was wangs not penis.

[X]

My ****ing god... YOU were asking people to verify it. "Is this true?!?!". Bleh. :o

[Krpton]

and anyway, i said sorry.

also when was the las time i asked u a stupid question, it was a couple of weeks agon, nearly a month. ive stopped that.

[Krpton]

My ****ing god... YOU were asking people to verify it. "Is this true?!?!". Bleh.

yes i did say that, but not penis, it was wangs.

[X]

Like it matters. I'm not going to continue to argue with you imbecile...

[Guyverjay]

LOL

This thread should be renamed "Bash krpton":D

[X]

He brings it upon himself. It really isn't even funny now, it's pathetic and aggrivating.

[Krpton]

it aint funny, i always take this evry single day.

im not argueing.

y do u do this, i said sorry, wht more do u guys want?

[X]

Seriously, honest to god, how old are you?

[Krpton]

14, everyone knows that here.

[X]

Amazing. You have the intelligence capicity of a 7 year old. You have any kind of defects or anything? Must be the case, you can't be normal...

[Krpton]

ahh man, i cant be bothered no more.

[Guyverjay]

YAY:up:

[X]

Originally posted by Krpton
ahh man, i cant be bothered no more.

Die! :mad:

Or at least leave these message boards. These one are much more welcoming. Full of dumbass's.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f43/

[Guyverjay]

bwhahahha killer movies. I've been on there, he'll fit in nicely:up:

[X]

It's terrible. People that think Wolverine can flat out destroy The Juggernaut.

"Leets see wheat happpes whheen The Uggernuts helmeight cuomes off, Wolverrrinene will ccuut his headd off!!!"

I swear to god man. There are people that actually think Wolverine could do that and Apoc and Colossus are the most powerful beings in Marvel.

[Guyverjay]

Nah it could be worse. On this board one guy said that Gambit could beat Goku:rolleyes:

[X]

Bleh, crap like that on the Killmovies forum as well. As I said, terrible. :o

[anarchistguy]

Originally posted by Langoth
You are?

Hey can you tell me the history of Turles? I mean in the biography does it say much about his past pre DBZ movie 3? Or why he behaves the way he does?

I can tell you and nope. It just summarizes what he did in the movie. It also says he wants to kill Freezer too. But that's been mentioned in the movie, too

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Krpton
14, everyone knows that here.

Good, now get lost:)

[MFM]

Originally posted by Mr. X
He's going so fast, by the time his oppenant perceives what's going on and reacts, he's gone. And that's when he fights people that have some degree of super speed. Not really that impressive. Goku's literally stood in one place against other insanly fast beings and appeared standing still, even when being attacked at super speed...True. Anyway, check this out: http://tinyurl.com/5684p
Note that Doomsday is fast...

And, this is something that is related to what I've mentioned earlier (splitting Saturn's moon in half)...: http://members.lycos.co.uk/shurukudemon/superscans/moonsplit.jpg

[Guyverjay]

Doomsday Rex is crap:up:

How is that moon split in half?:confused:

It just looks like he carved a trench into it

[X]

Exactly how big is that moon though? Doesen't look to be too, too big. I've seen plenty of characters destroy small moons, The Human Torch is capable of it, that's how people usually talk about his power actually.

That whole DD thing was a farce. DD had served his purpose and they went and did that to him. Almost as bad as the DD/Batman Axe thing. DD was at one point moving close to the speed of light, as he beat the crap out of The Flash and Superman, no problem.

[X]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
It just looks like he carved a trench into it

I was curious about the same thing. I can understand him going through it and what not, but it would just be kind of...out there, splitting the entire thing in half. Ah well, I'm not going to pick. These are comics...

[War Lord]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
Nah it could be worse. On this board one guy said that Gambit could beat Goku:rolleyes:

Under the right circumstances, could Gambit blow up Goku?

[X]

Originally posted by jonty30
Under the right circumstances, could Gambit blow up Goku?

No. I don't believe he can affect organic matter anyhow. Knowing Gambit though, something was probably drastically changed. Bleh, Bullseye practially killed Gambit. Biggest achievment of his life is getting to the finals of COC 2. :D

[War Lord]

Originally posted by Mr. X
No. I don't believe he can affect organic matter anyhow. Knowing Gambit though, something was probably drastically changed. Bleh, Bullseye practially killed Gambit. Biggest achievment of his life is getting to the finals of COC 2. :D

On X-men evolution, Gambit kinetically charged Toad. Obviously this was artistic licence.

[X]

Bleh. Toad should of exploded then, charging organic matter with energy is a pretty big no-no. :D

It is a cartoon though and all, and stranger things have happened in cartoons...

[War Lord]

Originally posted by Mr. X
Bleh. Toad should of exploded then, charging organic matter with energy is a pretty big no-no. :D

It is a cartoon though and all, and stranger things have happened in cartoons...

I know, but I understand that when Gambit learned how to ultimately powerup, it did include the ability to super-charge inorganic and organic material from close up and from afar.

[X]

Yeah, I was just saying.

I've never really been geared towards anything X-Men related. I now do seem to remember Gambit being able to affect organic matter though. Hmmmm.

[War Lord]

Originally posted by Mr. X
Yeah, I was just saying.

I've never really been geared towards anything X-Men related. I now do seem to remember Gambit being able to affect organic matter though. Hmmmm.

That could change things abit. Yes Goku can move at the speed of light and all. But if Gambit, once having supercharged an object or person doesn't have to touch them to blow them up, that could change things.

[buutenks]

Pre-crisis superman wins over ssj3 goku,ssj4 goku was not that impressev,he could barely lift a building,but the stupid part was that he lifted half a city,and yet his punches did not even destroy a wall.His ki attacks did not destroy buildings,well some times he did.

[Harlekin]

Why did you bump a thread that is over a year old?

[SSJ4_Mikael]

You're to "new" to understand this.

Sûpâ Saiyajin Fô Gokou would destroy Sûpâman.
Supes would lose to Kam!.

[Harlekin]

You don't need to try and romanji Superman's name.

[hulkamania85]

I'll speak for everyone and just say right here and now you're the biggest ****ing idiot I've ever seen in my entire life. :up:

You don't speak for me.

Pre-Crisis Superman would tear Goku and Vegeta to shreds.

[Bizzybone]

You don't speak for me.

Pre-Crisis Superman would tear Goku and Vegeta to shreds.

Jesus christ, who started this friction. Thank you for basically saying nothing. Goku will tear any version of supes apart.:supes: :O

[Bizzybone]

Okay I'll play

1) SSJ4 Goku didn't struggle to push that damn building, maybe you have something wrong with your eyes or something. Since you can't actually see his face or even his body properly for that matter (as the shot is from far way) , how can you even say he struggles?? What even makes that statement so retarded is that he lifts half the damn city a few seconds after that scene.

2)Where are you getting this he can move multiple times light speed in space rubbish. It took him over 8 minutes to get to the sun in OWAW. Everything was on the line . If he could have moved faster he would have. He can move 99% the speed of light (thats what DC says), he hasn't got a link to the speed force he's not the flash. Also Superman cannot stay in space forever, he can hold his breath for a long tme but he still needs oxygen eventually. As for whether Goku can, what sort of dumb question is that? Gokus father Bardock fought freiza entire army in space, Vegeta and nappa in space blow up a planet on their way to earth. Vegeta TRAINS in space (on moons etc) while trying to becomes a SSJ. Yes sayan can't exist without Oxygen forever but they can stay out there for a long time.

Also superman does NOT move at 99% light speed in atmosphere (I dont' where you get that from). I repeat he's NOT the flash. He can't control the effect of what his speed would do to the planet while going that fast (The flash can)

3)If superman can supposedly lift 40 billion tonnes (I'd like to see where btw). Then why in doomsday wars does he struggle (and yes he is struggling because you can actually see his face and he admits it) to stop an aeroplane from crashing? (and you think DBZ has inconsistances?) On the other hand Gohan before he became mystic casually in his base form lifts and carries a aeroplane full of people in the buu saga. Also Goku against Kidd Buu pushes a mountain apart with his bare hands (how much do they weigh?).

4) Big deal superman has punched a guy to the moon whoopedy do. Goku has Ki blasted a guy into the sun. Gokus 500 year old perverted sensei has blown the moon to kingdom come and you want me to impressed because supes made one split in half?

5)As for kryptonite, true enough Goku doesn't what it is. Even if he did he wouldn't use it because he loves to fight. Of course if he did have it he would go down quickly. In Doomsady rex when luthor locks boths doomsday and supes in a box and releases kryptonite radiation. Doomsday (who was also being effected) knocked out superman with one blow I think. As for supes being a battery yes true enough it is. But his power depletes depending on how hard his fight is. Against Goku he would have to go all out.

6)Yes true enough supes blocked the omega beams with his heat vision. But consider how A) Darkseid has been depowered ALOT since the early days B)Darkseid wasn't actually trying to kill him (he needed superman). Anyway whats heat vision going to do to Goku?? Goku fights that dragon whose body temperature is higher than the suns in GT and is able to hit him without physical damage while in SSJ4 mode.

and last of all if superman is so great than why did he get killed in obsidian age:confused:

But seriously though superman could win (he is superman after all) but I still give the edge to Goku. Martial arts technique can bridge the gap in strength (if there even is one)


If you can actually prove me wrong (cite some issues where he's done this n that and its STATED what he's doing etc) on some of those points then fine. I'm always willing to learn something new. Regardless of what you think I'm a not a blind fanboy I read alot of comics (unlike Krypton who hasn't actually read dick)


Best post yet....good job.



DB

Kid Goku (born)
-2

Kid Goku (meeting Bulma)
-90

Kid Goku (1st. Tournament)
-130

Kid Goku (Second Tournament)
-200

Kid Goku (Vs. Red Ribbon Army)
-256

Kid Goku (Vs. Daimaio Piccolo)
-340

Kid Goku (Final Trounament of DB, Vs. Ma Junior)
-410

DBZ

Goku
-434

Goku (W/o weighted clothing)
-723

Goku's Kamehameha
-1200

Goku Dead
-614

Goku After Training with King Kaio Sama
-1,000 (surpressed)

Goku Revived
-10,000

Goku Kaio Ken Vs. Nappa
-20,000

Goku Kaio Ken x 2 Vs. Vegeta
-25,000

Goku's Kaio Ken Times 3 Kamehamehameha
-40,000

Goku's Kaio Ken Times 4 Kamehameha
-50,000

Goku injured
-1,000

Goku's Spirit Bomb
-10,000

Goku after Training on Space ship to Namek
-5,000 (surpressed)

Goku's Max
-215,000

Goku Vs. Frieza
-500,000

Goku Kaio Ken x 10
-1,000,500

Goku Super Saiya-jin
-12,500,000

Goku Upon arriving on Earth
-1,000,000

SS Goku on Earth
-17,240,000

Goku on the day of the androids arrival.
-5,000,000

SS Goku Vs. 19
-19,000,000

Heart Disease Goku
-2,000

Goku After Training in Hyperbolic Time Chamber
-35,000,000

Ultra Super Siaya-jin 1 Goku Vs. Perfect Cell
-212,000,000

Goku's Warp Kamehameha Wave
-250,000,000

Goku Dead
-20,000,000

Goku SS Vs. Pikkon
-100,000,000

Goku Super Kaio-Ken (x1000)
-240,000,000

Goku at Tournament
-30,000,000

Goku SS 2 Vs. Yakon
-190,000,000

Goku Super Siaya-jin 2 Vs, Majin Vegeta
-280,500,000

Goku Super Saiya-jin 3
-650,000,000

Veggeto
-900,000,000

SS Veggeto
-1,000,000,000

Goku's Earth Spirit Bomb
-700,000,000

SS Goku's Earth Spirit Bomb
-1,230,000,000

DBGT

Goku
-100,000,000

Goku Child
-10,000,000

Goku Child SS 1
-40,000,000

Goku Child SS 3
-120,000,000

Goku Golden Oozaru
-100,000,000

Goku Super Saiya-jin 4
-345,000,000

Gogeta SSJ4
-2,000,000,000

Goku's Universal Spirit Bomb
-5,700,000,000

Goku After absorbing the dragonballs
-Immeasurable.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Freaking pre-crisis Superboy moved dozens of planets chained together to anther galaxy. Superman could create stars,blow them out with super breath,travel through time at will, become immovable at will,and he could sneeze away entire solar systems!!!!! Saying Goku could match him makes no sense!

[Bizzybone]

Freaking pre-crisis Superboy moved dozens of planets chained together to anther galaxy. Superman could create stars,blow them out with super breath,travel through time at will, become immovable at will,and he could sneeze away entire solar systems!!!!! Saying Goku could match him makes no sense!


Looks like you changed places. Goku can just wish him to death idiot.:supes:

[Bizzybone]

Ultra_herald quit it already pre-crisis superman lost to Goku in wizard magazine.

[Bizzybone]

Goku wins for the last time!!!!!!!!!!!!



All right, time to start setting things straight.

First, who came first Goku or Superman. Sorry, to disappoint you (not!) but Goku has been around centuries before Superman. The legendary Monkey King, aka, Sun Wu-K'ung, aka Son Goku's origin story, and his subsequent joining of the monk Hsuan-tsang to get scriptures in india was first fully written down in its now 100 chapter narrative in the 1500s. The orally transmitted legend however, goes back as far as 700 years earlier, and since nobody has a theory, only speculation of the exact time of its origing, it could be far earlier than even that.

And this Goku is even MORE powerful than the goku from Dragonball Z. In one chapter he lets his guard down so an executioner can cut off his head for a contest. He casually picks up his head, screws it back on, and voila, as if nothing happened. He could fly, he could not just use ki, but even magic - he could transform himself into anyone or anything for instance - the gods feared him, he was immortal, he was highly intelligent, he was a god himself, in short a more invincible character has never been created - in stature and personality see him as Vegetto, Goku and Vegeta mixed together. The dude would make mince meat out of any Superman with simple ease, the same goes for any Dragonball character for that matter.

Interestingly, as he come from the heavens, the light as his egg entered the atmosphere penatrated the palace of the head god himself, and then he hatched from his egg after crashing onto the earth and staying in there to grow for a few centuries; he's also known as the Stone Monkey.

Hmm, Superman, falls from the sky as a baby in an egg-like spaceship, can fly, is virtually indestructible and is known as the Man of Steel. I would be surprised if the creaters of Superman were not influenced at least subconsciously by the centuries old well known legend of the Monkey King. Face it, Superman was the rip off, not Son Goku.

Now as for who would win in the Dragonball Goku vs Superman match, please... pre-crises or prime, neither superman has ever faced off against beings capable of obliterating a planet, let alone vaporize one and doing it with simple ease. Master Roshi (PL 300) can blow up the Earth, at the beginning of DBZ Vegeta (PL 18000) blew away a planet and moon with the power in two of his fingertips. SSJ Goku (PL 15,000,000) that's 50,000 times what's necessary to destroy ONE planet. SSJ Goku facing Frieza could destroy 50,000 planets, and he'd barely be tired. Following that SSJ2, SSJ3 (capable of tearing apart the fabric of space and time, as if obliterating 50,000 planets wasn't enough) SSJ4. At this last level, Goku could destroy an entire galaxy with just one blast. The power coming from just one yellow sun? And Superman doesn't even take ALL of the power of the sun, or there wouldn't be a sun left, a sun Goku could destroy easily. On top of that, the sun is ALL of Superman's power. Take him away from that sun, and he's as weak an helpless as the rest of us. Goku on the otherhand has his OWN power, he can fight anyplace, anytime, anywhere. All Goku would have to do is teleport him and Supes to a planet orbiting a red sun, and watch the Supes crumble to a mere human level. Now Goku wouldn't kill a helpless little guy, Vegeta would blow him away without a second thought.

Finally, Superman can NOT breathe in space. He can hold his breath for very long, but eventually he'll need to breath. Everytime Superman went out in space for long periods of time, he'd wear breathing gear - and hoped he didn't stagger into a red or blue star system along the way. The same goes for Goku - remember Vegeta obliterationg that planet? from outside of his space pod in deep space - only Freeza and his species could actually breathe (or whatever they do in its place) and survive indefinetely in space.

Now Superman 1 million or prime may have seem practically indestructable, but sinse he's never faced a foe of Goku's caliber we've simply never seen him get his ass handed back to him, we've never seen his body try to handle stresses with energies that vaporize multiple planets, and entire stars. In short he doesn't stand a hope in hell against Goku. A more fair comparison would be Superman pre-crisis versus Kuririn or Yamucha, but I'd have to give those battles to the DBZ characters as well.

Here read this for all you superman fans that seem to be pulling feats out of your ass!!!!!!!

[hulkamania85]

Jesus christ, who started this friction. Thank you for basically saying nothing. Goku will tear any version of supes apart.:supes: :O

Well first of all they wouldn't fight anyway. But Superman in the pre-crisis age has a power level of 100,000,000,000. I pulled that stat out of nowhere but I'm sure it is around that number.:)

I don't think Superman ripped off of Sun Wukong, seeing as Superman isn't a monkey that was born from a stone. Goku was clearly influenced by that legend but it is pretty clear aspects of his character were inspired by Superman too.

[Harlekin]

Best post yet....good job.



DB

Kid Goku (born)
-2

Kid Goku (meeting Bulma)
-90

Kid Goku (1st. Tournament)
-130

Kid Goku (Second Tournament)
-200

Kid Goku (Vs. Red Ribbon Army)
-256

Kid Goku (Vs. Daimaio Piccolo)
-340

Kid Goku (Final Trounament of DB, Vs. Ma Junior)
-410

DBZ

Goku
-434

Goku (W/o weighted clothing)
-723

Goku's Kamehameha
-1200

Goku Dead
-614

Goku After Training with King Kaio Sama
-1,000 (surpressed)

Goku Revived
-10,000

Goku Kaio Ken Vs. Nappa
-20,000

Goku Kaio Ken x 2 Vs. Vegeta
-25,000

Goku's Kaio Ken Times 3 Kamehamehameha
-40,000

Goku's Kaio Ken Times 4 Kamehameha
-50,000

Goku injured
-1,000

Goku's Spirit Bomb
-10,000

Goku after Training on Space ship to Namek
-5,000 (surpressed)

Goku's Max
-215,000

Goku Vs. Frieza
-500,000

Goku Kaio Ken x 10
-1,000,500

Goku Super Saiya-jin
-12,500,000

Goku Upon arriving on Earth
-1,000,000

SS Goku on Earth
-17,240,000

Goku on the day of the androids arrival.
-5,000,000

SS Goku Vs. 19
-19,000,000

Heart Disease Goku
-2,000

Goku After Training in Hyperbolic Time Chamber
-35,000,000

Ultra Super Siaya-jin 1 Goku Vs. Perfect Cell
-212,000,000

Goku's Warp Kamehameha Wave
-250,000,000

Goku Dead
-20,000,000

Goku SS Vs. Pikkon
-100,000,000

Goku Super Kaio-Ken (x1000)
-240,000,000

Goku at Tournament
-30,000,000

Goku SS 2 Vs. Yakon
-190,000,000

Goku Super Siaya-jin 2 Vs, Majin Vegeta
-280,500,000

Goku Super Saiya-jin 3
-650,000,000

Veggeto
-900,000,000

SS Veggeto
-1,000,000,000

Goku's Earth Spirit Bomb
-700,000,000

SS Goku's Earth Spirit Bomb
-1,230,000,000

DBGT

Goku
-100,000,000

Goku Child
-10,000,000

Goku Child SS 1
-40,000,000

Goku Child SS 3
-120,000,000

Goku Golden Oozaru
-100,000,000

Goku Super Saiya-jin 4
-345,000,000

Gogeta SSJ4
-2,000,000,000

Goku's Universal Spirit Bomb
-5,700,000,000

Goku After absorbing the dragonballs
-Immeasurable.
Stop pulling powerlevels out of your ass.

[Bizzybone]

Stop pulling powerlevels out of your ass.


It's an estimate Harlekin...i wasn't the one that said this. Stop insulting me for goodness sake.

[Bizzybone]

Well first of all they wouldn't fight anyway. But Superman in the pre-crisis age has a power level of 100,000,000,000. I pulled that stat out of nowhere but I'm sure it is around that number.:)

I don't think Superman ripped off of Sun Wukong, seeing as Superman isn't a monkey that was born from a stone. Goku was clearly influenced by that legend but it is pretty clear aspects of his character were inspired by Superman too.

Gee i don't know if i should waste my time argueing with somebody that thinks that superman is the messiah. Superman was the rip off not goku. Now out put that in your pipe and smoke it!! Dbz was inspired by Bruce Lee not steven seigel. Oh and yea you like pulling rabbits out of your penis.

[Bizzybone]

Goku wins for the last time!!!!!!!!!!!!



All right, time to start setting things straight.

First, who came first Goku or Superman. Sorry, to disappoint you (not!) but Goku has been around centuries before Superman. The legendary Monkey King, aka, Sun Wu-K'ung, aka Son Goku's origin story, and his subsequent joining of the monk Hsuan-tsang to get scriptures in india was first fully written down in its now 100 chapter narrative in the 1500s. The orally transmitted legend however, goes back as far as 700 years earlier, and since nobody has a theory, only speculation of the exact time of its origing, it could be far earlier than even that.

And this Goku is even MORE powerful than the goku from Dragonball Z. In one chapter he lets his guard down so an executioner can cut off his head for a contest. He casually picks up his head, screws it back on, and voila, as if nothing happened. He could fly, he could not just use ki, but even magic - he could transform himself into anyone or anything for instance - the gods feared him, he was immortal, he was highly intelligent, he was a god himself, in short a more invincible character has never been created - in stature and personality see him as Vegetto, Goku and Vegeta mixed together. The dude would make mince meat out of any Superman with simple ease, the same goes for any Dragonball character for that matter.

Interestingly, as he come from the heavens, the light as his egg entered the atmosphere penatrated the palace of the head god himself, and then he hatched from his egg after crashing onto the earth and staying in there to grow for a few centuries; he's also known as the Stone Monkey.

Hmm, Superman, falls from the sky as a baby in an egg-like spaceship, can fly, is virtually indestructible and is known as the Man of Steel. I would be surprised if the creaters of Superman were not influenced at least subconsciously by the centuries old well known legend of the Monkey King. Face it, Superman was the rip off, not Son Goku.

Now as for who would win in the Dragonball Goku vs Superman match, please... pre-crises or prime, neither superman has ever faced off against beings capable of obliterating a planet, let alone vaporize one and doing it with simple ease. Master Roshi (PL 300) can blow up the Earth, at the beginning of DBZ Vegeta (PL 18000) blew away a planet and moon with the power in two of his fingertips. SSJ Goku (PL 15,000,000) that's 50,000 times what's necessary to destroy ONE planet. SSJ Goku facing Frieza could destroy 50,000 planets, and he'd barely be tired. Following that SSJ2, SSJ3 (capable of tearing apart the fabric of space and time, as if obliterating 50,000 planets wasn't enough) SSJ4. At this last level, Goku could destroy an entire galaxy with just one blast. The power coming from just one yellow sun? And Superman doesn't even take ALL of the power of the sun, or there wouldn't be a sun left, a sun Goku could destroy easily. On top of that, the sun is ALL of Superman's power. Take him away from that sun, and he's as weak an helpless as the rest of us. Goku on the otherhand has his OWN power, he can fight anyplace, anytime, anywhere. All Goku would have to do is teleport him and Supes to a planet orbiting a red sun, and watch the Supes crumble to a mere human level. Now Goku wouldn't kill a helpless little guy, Vegeta would blow him away without a second thought.

Finally, Superman can NOT breathe in space. He can hold his breath for very long, but eventually he'll need to breath. Everytime Superman went out in space for long periods of time, he'd wear breathing gear - and hoped he didn't stagger into a red or blue star system along the way. The same goes for Goku - remember Vegeta obliterationg that planet? from outside of his space pod in deep space - only Freeza and his species could actually breathe (or whatever they do in its place) and survive indefinetely in space.

Now Superman 1 million or prime may have seem practically indestructable, but sinse he's never faced a foe of Goku's caliber we've simply never seen him get his ass handed back to him, we've never seen his body try to handle stresses with energies that vaporize multiple planets, and entire stars. In short he doesn't stand a hope in hell against Goku. A more fair comparison would be Superman pre-crisis versus Kuririn or Yamucha, but I'd have to give those battles to the DBZ characters as well.

Here read this for all you superman fans that seem to be pulling feats out of your ass!!!!!!!

I'm not going to repeat myself Hulkamania85

[Harlekin]

It's an estimate Harlekin...i wasn't the one that said this. Stop insulting me for goodness sake.
Oh and yea you like pulling rabbits out of your penis.
I think you're getting me confused with somebody else.

[Bizzybone]

I think you're getting me confused with somebody else.


You did insult me!!!! Don't lie because then i will call you a hypocrite.

[Harlekin]

You did insult me!!!! Don't lie because then i will call you a hypocrite.
I have done so before, I will admit. However, I did not insult you in the post you quoted.

[Bizzybone]

therfore consider that a warning.

[Harlekin]

therfore consider that a warning.
A warning of what?

A) Calling me a hypocrite is hardly note-worthy
B) You can't do anything else

[Bizzybone]

A warning of what?

A) Calling me a hypocrite is hardly note-worthy
B) You can't do anything else

A. what do you do lmao...posy rubbish nothing else
B. You don;t do anything else but post whore yourself into dbz

[Harlekin]

A) I don't 'warn' people.
B) You're the one provoking debate, not me. I only occasionally come here.

[Bizzybone]

A) I don't 'warn' people.
B) You're the one provoking debate, not me. I only occasionally come here.

You always come here. go to the superman forum because you love the manofsteel more than life itself.

[Harlekin]

You always come here. go to the superman forum because you love the manofsteel more than life itself.
Up until yesterday I hadn't posted here in quite some time. I spent most of my time at the Comic boards.

[Bizzybone]

Up until yesterday I hadn't posted here in quite some time. I spent most of my time at the Comic boards.


Oh really lol. I didn't see that lol. You get a kick with argueing against dbz fans. You are one in a million, so is ultra-herhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gifald.

[Harlekin]

Oh really lol. I didn't see that lol. You get a kick with argueing against dbz fans. You are one in a million, so is ultra-herhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gifald.
I like arguing with you, yes. It's fun. :up:

[Bizzybone]

I like arguing with you, yes. It's fun. :up:


Funny lol. Why??? Just leave the dbz fans alone.

[Harlekin]

Funny lol. Why??? Just leave the dbz fans alone.
Because I'm always interested in what other people think on different subjects. I'm a DBZ fan myself, so I'm not going to leave myself alone.

[Bizzybone]

Because I'm always interested in what other people think on different subjects. I'm a DBZ fan myself, so I'm not going to leave myself alone.

You are a superman fan................................ End of discussion.

[Harlekin]

So I cannot be both? Reading the manga, seeing the anime, discussing DBZ, role-playing DBZ characters and the like, all that stuff is disregarded because I like Superman? I like DBZ too, and Picollo best.

[Bizzybone]

So I cannot be both? Reading the manga, seeing the anime, discussing DBZ, role-playing DBZ characters and the like, all that stuff is disregarded because I like Superman? I like DBZ too, and Picollo best.

Lol...sure. You admitted one time that you love superman more than you do with dbz.

[Harlekin]

Lol...sure. You admitted one time that you love superman more than you do with dbz.
But I do. The two are not mutually exclusive y'know. I can still like DBZ if I like Superman more.

[Bizzybone]

Yes but you are more of a superman fan.

[Harlekin]

Yes but you are more of a superman fan.
True. If Superman is a 10 on a scale of 1 to 10, then DBZ would range around a 7 or an 8 on my fan-meter.

[Bizzybone]

True. If Superman is a 10 on a scale of 1 to 10, then DBZ would range around a 7 or an 8 on my fan-meter.

More like a 1 or 2,.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Harlekin]

More like a 1 or 2,.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif
Not on mine fan-meter.

[Bizzybone]

Yes on your fan meter.

[Harlekin]

That is what I said, yes. I am both DBZ and Superman fan.

[Bizzybone]

But more of a superman fan by a far margin.

[Harlekin]

But more of a superman fan by a far margin.
Yep. Your point?

[hulkamania85]

But more of a superman fan by a far margin.

Who gives a crap? I think DBZ is pretty cool in its own way, but I like Superman more.

You're acting like the worst kind of anime geek: the type that crap on anything that didn't come from Japan. Well what's to say you can't like both?

Plus Superman's influence on Goku is pretty clear. Seeing as Superman came out in 1939 I'm pretty sure Supes isn't a Goku ripoff, or a Monkey King ripoff since Kal-El didn't come from a rock and chilled with a bunch of monkeys and looked for some texts.

[My vengeance]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/mutant_circus/stupid1.jpg http://www.forumspile.com/Why-Click_this_thread.jpg

[Bizzybone]

Who gives a crap? I think DBZ is pretty cool in its own way, but I like Superman more.

You're acting like the worst kind of anime geek: the type that crap on anything that didn't come from Japan. Well what's to say you can't like both?

Plus Superman's influence on Goku is pretty clear. Seeing as Superman came out in 1939 I'm pretty sure Supes isn't a Goku ripoff, or a Monkey King ripoff since Kal-El didn't come from a rock and chilled with a bunch of monkeys and looked for some texts.


Hulkmania85 you are definitely one of superman's hardcore fans, need i say more. I stop calling me a geek. Funny how this is coming from somebody that is christian and believes that the manofsteel is the messiah. :O

[Bizzybone]

First, who came first Goku or Superman. Sorry, to disappoint you (not!) but Goku has been around centuries before Superman. The legendary Monkey King, aka, Sun Wu-K'ung, aka Son Goku's origin story, and his subsequent joining of the monk Hsuan-tsang to get scriptures in india was first fully written down in its now 100 chapter narrative in the 1500s. The orally transmitted legend however, goes back as far as 700 years earlier, and since nobody has a theory, only speculation of the exact time of its origing, it could be far earlier than even that.

And this Goku is even MORE powerful than the goku from Dragonball Z. In one chapter he lets his guard down so an executioner can cut off his head for a contest. He casually picks up his head, screws it back on, and voila, as if nothing happened. He could fly, he could not just use ki, but even magic - he could transform himself into anyone or anything for instance - the gods feared him, he was immortal, he was highly intelligent, he was a god himself, in short a more invincible character has never been created - in stature and personality see him as Vegetto, Goku and Vegeta mixed together. The dude would make mince meat out of any Superman with simple ease, the same goes for any Dragonball character for that matter.

Interestingly, as he come from the heavens, the light as his egg entered the atmosphere penatrated the palace of the head god himself, and then he hatched from his egg after crashing onto the earth and staying in there to grow for a few centuries; he's also known as the Stone Monkey.

Hmm, Superman, falls from the sky as a baby in an egg-like spaceship, can fly, is virtually indestructible and is known as the Man of Steel. I would be surprised if the creaters of Superman were not influenced at least subconsciously by the centuries old well known legend of the Monkey King. Face it, Superman was the rip off, not Son Goku.

Now as for who would win in the Dragonball Goku vs Superman match, please... pre-crises or prime, neither superman has ever faced off against beings capable of obliterating a planet, let alone vaporize one and doing it with simple ease. Master Roshi (PL 300) can blow up the Earth, at the beginning of DBZ Vegeta (PL 18000) blew away a planet and moon with the power in two of his fingertips. SSJ Goku (PL 15,000,000) that's 50,000 times what's necessary to destroy ONE planet. SSJ Goku facing Frieza could destroy 50,000 planets, and he'd barely be tired. Following that SSJ2, SSJ3 (capable of tearing apart the fabric of space and time, as if obliterating 50,000 planets wasn't enough) SSJ4. At this last level, Goku could destroy an entire galaxy with just one blast. The power coming from just one yellow sun? And Superman doesn't even take ALL of the power of the sun, or there wouldn't be a sun left, a sun Goku could destroy easily. On top of that, the sun is ALL of Superman's power. Take him away from that sun, and he's as weak an helpless as the rest of us. Goku on the otherhand has his OWN power, he can fight anyplace, anytime, anywhere. All Goku would have to do is teleport him and Supes to a planet orbiting a red sun, and watch the Supes crumble to a mere human level. Now Goku wouldn't kill a helpless little guy, Vegeta would blow him away without a second thought.

Finally, Superman can NOT breathe in space. He can hold his breath for very long, but eventually he'll need to breath. Everytime Superman went out in space for long periods of time, he'd wear breathing gear - and hoped he didn't stagger into a red or blue star system along the way. The same goes for Goku - remember Vegeta obliterationg that planet? from outside of his space pod in deep space - only Freeza and his species could actually breathe (or whatever they do in its place) and survive indefinetely in space.

Now Superman 1 million or prime may have seem practically indestructable, but sinse he's never faced a foe of Goku's caliber we've simply never seen him get his ass handed back to him, we've never seen his body try to handle stresses with energies that vaporize multiple planets, and entire stars. In short he doesn't stand a hope in hell against Goku. A more fair comparison would be Superman pre-crisis versus Kuririn or Yamucha, but I'd have to give those battles to the DBZ characters as well.

Here read this for all you superman fans that seem to be pulling feats out of your ass!!!!!!!

I'm not going to repeat myself so stop wasting everyones time.

[hulkamania85]

Hulkmania85 you are definitely one of superman's hardcore fans, need i say more. I stop calling me a geek. Funny how this is coming from somebody that is christian and believes that the manofsteel is the messiah. :O

You stopped calling yourself a geek? Thanks for the info I guess.

I actually am Christian, but I don't consider Supes the messiah, even though he is a cool character who was sent as an only son to help mankind, kinda like Jesus.

[Bizzybone]

You stopped calling yourself a geek? Thanks for the info I guess.
I guess it was a typo. Stop it with your insults or i would be forced to report you.
I actually am Christian, but I don't consider Supes the messiah, even though he is a cool character who was sent as an only son to help mankind, kinda like Jesus.
That proves it then, you do like superman more than life itself. Why do you think that he's the messiah lmao. You are just like Krypton or Ultra-Herald. Are his magazines like lyrics from the bible lol.
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Bizzybone]

You stopped calling yourself a geek? Thanks for the info I guess.
I guess that it was a typo. Stop it with your insults or i would be forced to report you.
I actually am Christian, but I don't consider Supes the messiah, even though he is a cool character who was sent as an only son to help mankind, kinda like Jesus.
That proves it then, you do like superman more than life itself. Why do you think that he's the messiah lmao. You are just like Krypton or Ultra-Herald. Are his magazines like lyrics from the bible lol.
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

I guess you lose again.

[Harlekin]

Uhm, geek is not an insult. What you are doing is an insult however, by assuming things about certain people without any kind of basis for it. Stop treating Superman fans as if they are some other race or carry a disease.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Uhm, geek is not an insult. What you are doing is an insult however, by assuming things about certain people without any kind of basis for it. Stop treating Superman fans as if they are some other race or carry a disease.
So you threat people of an "other race" or people that carries diseases as less worth?

Look at your quote...
If some here don't like Superman and are tired of the fan's jearking around with his power-potential and so on, it aint wrong to say: Silence, Quitet you!, Shut up or STFU.

But when you claim that you threat people from an other race like that...

- I would take that back if I were you:down .

[Harlekin]

It was basically a veiled way of saying he's acting like a racist. Trust me, my intentions were not to come off as racist myself. By using the 'other race' and 'disease' I was pointing out that we are in fact all the same. I think that is about as anti-racist as you can get.

There's a difference between calling somebody on something, and make their prefences out as something that is undesirable and wrong.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Anyway, back to the topic.

I would like to change my vote in Superman's favor.
(Read some DC one million online)

And if he have the power to unite the scattered particles (which goes down to every single atom) of Krypton to reform it.
Well theres not much more to say about it.

Superman Prime would even toast SSJ4 Gojiita.

[Bizzybone]

Anyway, back to the topic.

I would like to change my vote in Superman's favor.
(Read some DC one million online)

I'm not blaming you if you think that superman will win, but he has no style whatsoever when it comes to fighting.

And if he have the power to unite the scattered particles (which goes down to every single atom) of Krypton to reform it.
Well theres not much more to say about it.

Brolly himself could make short work out of any version os supes except for prime. SS4 Goku can make short work of him if ki buu rip through other dimensions.

Superman Prime would even toast SSJ4 Gojiita.
never lmao.
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[SSJ4_Mikael]

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Think about it...

1) Superman Prime can remake life.
2) He would be able to move planets. (Since he were in his normal state)
3) And he can equal Flash in speed, well in his "Prime"-state he would outclass him.

1) Gokuu was able to boost peoples energy by giving some of his chi away (Furiza saga), but noone of them would ever be able to give life.
2) As you you probobly seen in the other topic spectaculear features of Gokuu.
SSJ4 Gokuu have the power to lift a city (you can see that he strugles on his aurs)
3) It took time for Chou Buuhan-chan to catch up to Gokuu and Bejiita when they were about to do the potara fusion.
And Chou Buuhan is the strongest villain in all of DBZ.
Still his speed wasent enough to keep them from talking a minute.
So it would take more than 2 minutes for Buuhan to fly around the world.

But if you like living under that lie of yours, then fine by me.

[Jplaya2023]

I'll speak for everyone and just say right here and now you're the biggest ****ing idiot I've ever seen in my entire life. :up:


agreed...........

[SSJ4_Mikael]

agreed...........
Whatever helps you sleep at night...

[Bizzybone]

:o Think about it...

1) Superman Prime can remake life.
Lol..never. Please don't make me puke because aren't you suppose to be a Dbz Fan
2) He would be able to move planets. (Since he were in his normal state)
Yes...but he would need a power boost from the sun. That was seem a bit logical since there is no gravity in space anyway. You are indeed one smart individual
3) And he can equal Flash in speed, well in his "Prime"-state he would outclass him.
Then why would dc make the flash if there's something faster than him...you are indeed wrong once again.
1) Gokuu was able to boost peoples energy by giving some of his chi away (Furiza saga), but noone of them would ever be able to give life.
We are talking about sensron Goku here. It brought back earth when it was destroyed.
2) As you you probobly seen in the other topic spectaculear features of Gokuu.
SSJ4 Gokuu have the power to lift a city (you can see that he strugles on his aurs)
Huh. Guveryjay said that superman had trouble lifting an airplane. Funny how goku lifted the damn city afterwards. Catch up on your episodes.
3) It took time for Chou Buuhan-chan to catch up to Gokuu and Bejiita when they were about to do the potara fusion.
And Chou Buuhan is the strongest villain in all of DBZ.
Still his speed wasent enough to keep them from talking a minute.
So it would take more than 2 minutes for Buuhan to fly around the world.
Gotenks flew around the world very close to the speed of light. Thank you but come again. Superman had never demonstarted the ability to fight at the speed of light.
But if you like living under that lie of yours, then fine by me.
I should shut up...you are indeed hypocritical. Stop listening to Ulra_herlad lmao or Harlekin. Listen to the Guyver.

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[buutenks]

:o
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Right

[Bizzybone]

Thank you buutenks.

[Red]

Simple answer yes

[Harlekin]

Lol..never. Please don't make me puke because aren't you suppose to be a Dbz Fan
Have you read anything with Supes Prime in it? No, therefore you are without evidence, unlike Mikael.

Yes...but he would need a power boost from the sun. That was seem a bit logical since there is no gravity in space anyway. You are indeed one smart individual
He has spent ages in the sun. He can move planets. And no gravity in space doesn't mean you can move planets.

Then why would dc make the flash if there's something faster than him...you are indeed wrong once again.
Because Superman Prime was a one-story thing.

We are talking about sensron Goku here. It brought back earth when it was destroyed.
Shenron Gokuu did nothing. Shenron did, but Shenron Gokuu didn't.

Huh. Guveryjay said that superman had trouble lifting an airplane. Funny how goku lifted the damn city afterwards. Catch up on your episodes.
Normal Superman has sometimes had problems grappling an airplane, but Superman Prime is far beyond those levels.

I should shut up...you are indeed hypocritical. Stop listening to Ulra_herlad lmao or Harlekin. Listen to the Guyver.
Great how you just ignored his point. :up:

[Bizzybone]

Have you read anything with Supes Prime in it? No, therefore you are without evidence, unlike Mikael.
Here we go again lol. As far as i'm concerned i have lol. Every superman's wet dream brought to reality. You really need to stop you supes fan.


He has spent ages in the sun. He can move planets. And no gravity in space doesn't mean you can move planets.
so what if he can movie planets lol, doesn't mean that he can juggle them. There is no gravity in space so please stop blabbering you mouth

Because Superman Prime was a one-story thing.
And....there is so much confusion, one person says one thing and another person says another

Shenron Gokuu did nothing. Shenron did, but Shenron Gokuu didn't.
Ok...but they did fuse with one another. You are one smart individual...ask the guyver who knows wayyyyyyyyyyy more than you.

Normal Superman has sometimes had problems grappling an airplane, but Superman Prime is far beyond those levels.
So what...superman still struggled

Great how you just ignored his point. :up:
Great you supes fan......don't need any more fan boy remarks.
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[Red]

Harlekin has spoken

[Harlekin]

Here we go again lol. As far as i'm concerned i have lol. Every superman's wet dream brought to reality. You really need to stop you supes fan.
But you haven't. That simple. Therefore you can't even discuss the subject, since you have no idea what Superman Prime is capable of.

so what if he can movie planets lol, doesn't mean that he can juggle them. There is no gravity in space so please stop blabbering you mouth
But he can. It's called suspension of disbelief.

Ok...but they did fuse with one another. You are one smart individual...ask the guyver who knows wayyyyyyyyyyy more than you.
But we have no evidence of what Shenron Gokuu can do, since he did nothing. All we have is speculation.

So what...superman still struggled
Gokuu was hurt by bullets. Gokuu when he got stronger wasn't. Oh, it doesn't matter, they still hurt. Normal Superman is not Superman Prime.

Great you supes fan......don't need any more fan boy remarks.
I just love the irony of this statement.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Think about it...

1) Superman Prime can remake life.
Lol..never. Please don't make me puke because aren't you suppose to be a Dbz Fan
2) He would be able to move planets. (Since he were in his normal state)
Yes...but he would need a power boost from the sun. That was seem a bit logical since there is no gravity in space anyway. You are indeed one smart individual
3) And he can equal Flash in speed, well in his "Prime"-state he would outclass him.
Then why would dc make the flash if there's something faster than him...you are indeed wrong once again.
1) Gokuu was able to boost peoples energy by giving some of his chi away (Furiza saga), but noone of them would ever be able to give life.
We are talking about sensron Goku here. It brought back earth when it was destroyed.
2) As you you probobly seen in the other topic spectaculear features of Gokuu.
SSJ4 Gokuu have the power to lift a city (you can see that he strugles on his aurs)
Huh. Guveryjay said that superman had trouble lifting an airplane. Funny how goku lifted the damn city afterwards. Catch up on your episodes.
3) It took time for Chou Buuhan-chan to catch up to Gokuu and Bejiita when they were about to do the potara fusion.
And Chou Buuhan is the strongest villain in all of DBZ.
Still his speed wasent enough to keep them from talking a minute.
So it would take more than 2 minutes for Buuhan to fly around the world.
Gotenks flew around the world very close to the speed of light. Thank you but come again. Superman had never demonstarted the ability to fight at the speed of light.
But if you like living under that lie of yours, then fine by me.
I should shut up...you are indeed hypocritical. Stop listening to Ulra_herlad lmao or Harlekin. Listen to the Guyver.

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1(Superman can remake life): It seems like you can't argue with that.
2(Superman moving planets): Well actually the enourmous gravity of the star-/solarsystem keeps the planets in a orbit around it. And since it happends around a star, well there are an enourmous gravity.
3(Speed of Flash): Well Flash is still a hero, but their main hero is still Superman, why would they make Batman?
4(Gokuu power to bring back everything?) No, have you seen DBGT anv. movie with Gokuu jr. Gokuu said to him that he needed to collect all the 7 DB's to be granted a wish. So Gokuu would also have to collect them.
a)And you can just make a wish/ year.
b)You cannot wish for something that their creator aint capable of (In this case kill Superman)
c)Even if Gokuu could he could never wih for the same thing twice!
5(Superman's limits an airplain?) No, It's liek saying: Gokuu strugles to lift a car in the 1st volume.
He gains strength, and so does Superman.
6(Gotenks faster than light?) Once again, No. SSJ Gotenkusu is a lot slower than Chou Buuhan(Buu + Gohan). And for the light, in one sec it would go around the earth for about 3 times. And for Buuhan it took over a minute to fly to Gokuu and Bejiita. And he would take the shortest way possible so it would be like this: Buuhan's max speed would be 40000km/2min = 333,3km/sec wich would be a bit faster than the speed of sound.
7(DBZ-fan?) Yes indeed I am a DBZ fan. But Harlekin have thought me a lot about Superman that i didnt know. Not Ultra_herlad though, he've been just a pain in the @$$.
Maybe if you would read Harlekin's quote's you would learn something too.
Instead of flaming him. -Actually you owe him a lot of credit.

[Bizzybone]

But you haven't. That simple. Therefore you can't even discuss the subject, since you have no idea what Superman Prime is capable of.
I have read one of his comics...so don't doubt me money.


But he can. It's called suspension of disbelief.
He can what?????? When has a moved a planet. Brolly destroyed a damn galaxy...we more impressive than any superman feats.

But we have no evidence of what Shenron Gokuu can do, since he did nothing. All we have is speculation.
Supermanprime is speculation lmao

Gokuu was hurt by bullets. Gokuu when he got stronger wasn't. Oh, it doesn't matter, they still hurt. Normal Superman is not Superman Prime.
Where???? And superman was hurt by magic and when he sniffed on kryptonite. Funny how his brother caught it with his bear hands lmao. You need to listen to the guyver who knows wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more than you. Excuse my french, but it's damn true. Superman was hurt by doomsday someone who can be beaten by frieza since he blew a planeyt with a finger.

I just love the irony of this statement.
There's nothing to it supes fan.
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[Super Kal]

okay, Pre-Crisis Superman could beat SS4 Goku easily... PC Superman was so powerful, he could move solar systems with his minds. He could also easily go bachk and forth through time. Neither Goku or Vegeta could do those, Also Superman could breathe in space, and Goku and Vegeta can neither do that

[Harlekin]

He couldn't exactly move solar systems with his mind. That's a bit of an exaggeration. But he could do some mean ****, yeah. Time-travel was one of them, and a key-point: breathe in space.

[Super Kal]

wasn't it also ture that he was invulnerable to kryptonite? I remember him eating Kryptonite like it was a snack at one point

[Harlekin]

wasn't it also ture that he was invulnerable to kryptonite? I remember him eating Kryptonite like it was a snack at one point
I remember something vaguely about an increased resistance to the stuff, and have a visualisation of the scene you describe, but I cannot in good faith confirm this.

[Bizzybone]

1(Superman can remake life): It seems like you can't argue with that.
Argue with what???? Sheron Goku can do the same. Double post.
2(Superman moving planets): Well actually the enourmous gravity of the sun/-star keeps the planets in a orbit around it. And since it happends in a solar system, well there are some gravity.
I still find the Brolly feat more impressive than moving planets in the midst of space. Try blowing a galaxy up. Do you know how many solar systems that is. There's an estimate 1 trillion stars in just one. As if blowing one planest wasn't enough.
3(Speed of Flash): Well Flash is still a hero, but their main hero is still Superman, why would they make Batman?
Supermanprime can not tap into the speed force like the flash.
4(Gokuu power to bring back everything?) No, have you seen DBGT anv. movie with Gokuu jr. Gokuu said to him that he needed to collect all the 7 DB's to be granted a wish. So Gokuu would also have to collect them.
a)And you can just make a wish/ year.
What?????? It's a period of 100 years. Ask the guyver...you need some lessons.
b)You cannot wish for something that their creator aint capable of (In this case kill Superman)
Bwhahahahahah.......but he can wish to be more powerful than him. Supermanprime is therfore screwed
c)Even if Gokuu could he could never wih for the same thing twice!
5(Superman's limits an airplain?) No, It's liek saying: Gokuu strugles to lift a car in the 1st volume.
He did struggle with that airplane lmao.
He gains strength, and so does Superman.
By sitting in ass for millions of yrs to come. Goku by then will be invisible
6(Gotenks faster than light?) Once again, No. SSJ Gotenkusu is a lot slower than Chou Buuhan(Buu + Gohan). And for the light, in one sec it would go around the earth for about 3 times. And for Buuhan it took over a minute to fly to Gokuu and Bejiita. And he would take the shortest way possible so it would be like this: Buuhan's max speed would be 40000km/2min = 333,3km/sec wich would be a bit faster than the speed of sound.
Ask the guyverjay... you are going around in circles and are no longer making any sense.
7(DBZ-fan?) Yes indeed I am a DBZ fan. But Harlekin have thought me a lot about Superman that i didnt know. Not Ultra_herlad though, he've been just a pain in the @$$.
you need some lessons from the guyver
Maybe if you would read Harlekin's quote's you would learn something too.
Instead of flaming him. -Actually you owe him a lot of credit.
Never...he's a one hypocrircal person. You need to ask the guyver from some lessons.
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[Bizzybone]

He couldn't exactly move solar systems with his mind. That's a bit of an exaggeration. But he could do some mean ****, yeah. Time-travel was one of them, and a key-point: breathe in space.


Goku can hold his breathe for a damn long ass time. See the Bardock special. Superman pre-crisis is not the flash for the last time. If he was, then they won't need him. Dc will be all screwed up.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Burori destroyed planet for planet... He didnt just blow up a Galaxy.
In fact he's even weaker than Sûpâ Kanzentaini Seru, and he could just destroy a solar system with his max-power.

check mate!:down

[Harlekin]

Again:
- We never saw Shenron Gokuu do that.
- Correct, Superman Prime can't tap into the speed force. He's still very very fast.
- The airplane argument is flawed because we are not talking about that particular version of Supes.
- We take both versions as they are, so therefore, no, Superman Prime does not require to sit on his ass a few hundred years more.

[Bizzybone]

Burori destroyed planet for planet... He didnt just blow up a Galaxy.
In fact he's even weaker than Sûpâ Kanzentaini Seru, and he could just destroy a solar system with his max-power.

check mate!:down


You will be bullied my the Guyver lmao.

[Harlekin]

Goku can hold his breathe for a damn long ass time. See the Bardock special. Superman pre-crisis is not the flash for the last time. If he was, then they won't need him. Dc will be all screwed up.
They also have 7200 Green Lanterns, multiple versions of the Flash, Superman and Wonder Woman etc. Gokuu can however, not breathe in space, so he is automatically screwed after a few minutes.

Also, stop using Guyver as a defense and come up with your own arguments.

[Red]

They also have 7200 Green Lanterns, multiple versions of the Flash, Superman and Wonder Woman etc. Gokuu can however, not breathe in space, so he is automatically screwed after a few minutes.

Also, stop using Guyver as a defense and come up with your own arguments.

are you sure about that?

[Bizzybone]

Again:
- We never saw Shenron Gokuu do that.
But sensron goku can still do it. I'm sorry that you can't see that.
- Correct, Superman Prime can't tap into the speed force. He's still very very fast.
Exactly...so superman is therfore screwed more ways than one. He can't not fight at any fast pavement as noted by the guyver. Take the damn shaggy man for instance.
- The airplane argument is flawed because we are not talking about that particular version of Supes.
So are you trying to prove the guyver wrong??? He owns all okay!!! When it comes to dbz.
- We take both versions as they are, so therefore, no, Superman Prime does not require to sit on his ass a few hundred years more.
he did sit on his ass for 800 centuries (Fact) Goku went from a powerlevel of 2-to an immeasurable one at the end of gt (30yr span if i'm not mistaken)
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[Bizzybone]

are you sure about that?

He never did watch the bardock special so therfore his statment is invalid.

[Red]

Oh yeah, and when vegetta trainned in space

[Red]

Edit

[Bizzybone]

Vegeta's father for instance holded his breath for a long ass time.

[Bizzybone]

Oh yeah, and when vegetta trainned in space

Correct Red X, you scored once again. Two points for the Red:up: :)

[Harlekin]

- You can't see it either. It never happened.
- Superman Prime never faced the Shaggy Man. Please differentiate the normal Superman and Superman Prime. We are also capable of doing so with Gokuu and Shenron Gokuu.
- I didn't prove the Guyver wrong. You're just using his arguments at the wrong places. If we were discussing Superman vs Gokuu, then it'd be at the right place.
- Doesn't matter. We're taking both as they are at that time, and not the years before.
- I did see the Bardock Special. Not canon.
- Vegeta did not train in space, he trained on a planet with a suitable atmosphere.
- Furiiza even states that Gokuu can't breathe in space like he can, which Gokuu admits.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Seriously what do you think Shenlon Gokuu are?
Shenlon made by the Namekians.
He cannot make wishes that the Namekians can't grant.
His power incresse to Gokuu would be like the one Gohan and Kuririn got from Guru.
And Gokuu was allready at the edge of his potential, he couldent get any stronger.

[Red]

Correct Red X, you scored once again. Two points for the Red:up: :)

Go me :up:

[hulkamania85]

We are all dweebs for getting into fights about this.

Goku and Superman would team up to give all of us wedgies.

[Super Kal]

Shenron Gokou doesn't even exist... I swear, some of you DBZ fanatics make some of the most ridiculous stuff up just for the sake of an arguement

[Harlekin]

Shenron Gokou doesn't even exist... I swear, some of you DBZ fanatics make some of the most ridiculous stuff up just for the sake of an arguement
It's just the definition for Gokuu 'fused' with Shenron, who we only saw appear at the Gokuu Jr./Vegeta Jr. fight.

[Super Kal]

no, he was not fused with Shenron at the end of GT... You only assume that because we see Kid Goku flying away with Shenlong at the end.

[Red]

He didn't really fuse with Shenron/

[Harlekin]

no, he was not fused with Shenron at the end of GT... You only assume that because we see Kid Goku flying away with Shenlong at the end.
It's why I said 'fused'. The common (mis)conception is that he fused with Shenron.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Actually I'm pretty sure he just becomes the new Shenlon.
And Shenlon was defeated by King Pikkoro.
So Shenlons powerlevel must be under 200.
And that would make Gokuu's power immesureable?
Don't think so.

[Super Kal]

the eternal dragon itself does not have a power level. His only purpose is to grant wishes

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Well can he grant wishes to himself?
And if Gokuu were the Ethernal Dragon would he be able to grant wishes to himself?
(>^.^)> Well? <(^.^<)

[Super Kal]

Goku did not turn into the dragon

[Bizzybone]

Yes he did.

[Bizzybone]

- You can't see it either. It never happened.
- Superman Prime never faced the Shaggy Man. Please differentiate the normal Superman and Superman Prime. We are also capable of doing so with Gokuu and Shenron Gokuu.
Ok lol...proves that superman can't fight at any fast pavement.
- I didn't prove the Guyver wrong. You're just using his arguments at the wrong places. If we were discussing Superman vs Gokuu, then it'd be at the right place.
Ok lol...anyway the guyver is always correct fan boy.
- Doesn't matter. We're taking both as they are at that time, and not the years before.
Sensron goku will make a fool out of the manosteel you hardcore supes fan boy
- I did see the Bardock Special. Not canon.
The Bardock special did happen.
- Vegeta did not train in space, he trained on a planet with a suitable atmosphere.
Ask guyver that, and watch yourself lose.
- Furiiza even states that Gokuu can't breathe in space like he can, which Gokuu admits.
Funny how Bardock was fighting frieza in the midst of space. You need to have your head examined. Superman can't not breath in space or otherwise your delusional.

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Frieza...say it with me slow...