World's Finest download available here

[batnewbie1967]

http://theforce.net/theater/nonsw/worldsfinest/

enjoy!

[Indigo]

Yay! just waitting for hte d/l... :(

[Comic Book Boy]

Originally posted by Indigo
Yay! just waitting for hte d/l... :(

ME 2! lol....90%..... hope it is in quicktime....

[Indigo]

Not as good as Dead End... maybe cause it's a trailer... Like the final sceen with Batman... He's just so much cooler then Supes.

[Comic Book Boy]

WOW! That was pretty cool.....Bartram is a terrible actor though....I hope they make a MAKEING OF thing.

[MarvelMovies]

Kicked Butt!

:)

Indeed.

[hey yo its sean]

Pretty cool. Best scene was when Superman caught the car or Batman jumped on a piano.

Question: Is this just a trailer for a future fanfilm, or is it the whole shabang, a la "Grayson?"

[Comic Book Boy]

Originally posted by hey yo its sean
Pretty cool. Best scene was when Superman caught the car or Batman jumped on a piano.

Question: Is this just a trailer for a future fanfilm, or is it the whole shabang, a la "Grayson?"

This is (sadly) all that was filmed.....:(

[batnewbie1967]

batman was way COOLER than supes, at least in this trailer.
;)

[Milkman95]

I have to tell ya, I was expecting better........the Batman in daylight thing just ruined it, Nolan better not even get Batman NEAR a sunset like Collora did.......

I think the problem is the Collora camp overhyped this thing big time, and all in all it's really not that impressive......but I do give him credit - I like the Joker card in the batcave, the batmobile, two-face, and Luthor......

[DIRECTOR]

i don't understand, is this a trailer to the upcoming short film by Collora, or is this the short film? Like the Grayson thing?

[Milkman95]

Just a trailer for resume purposes.........

[Nick54]

Very cool.

I have to say something here. I thinks its very dissrespectful of people to insult other peoples work. This guy put forth a lot of time and money to make this movie. It's wrong of us to insult his work.

[MJZ]

"I thinks its very dissrespectul to insult other peoples work."

Was that a brain-fart or what? We can say whatever we damn well please about it. It's the beauty of the First Ammendment. Now, if you want to debate the merits of such endeavors, that's another thing, but saying we can't criticize something because time and effort was put into it is malarkey.

[DIRECTOR]

ya, we are the fans that critique films. We can't expect to like every film, not that i'm saying that i don't like the film because this film looks cool.

[Milkman95]

Originally posted by Nick54
Very cool.

I have to say something here. I thinks its very dissrespectful of people to insult other peoples work. This guy put forth a lot of time and money to make this movie. It's wrong of us to insult his work.

Hilarious comment. Don't director's/filmakers get insulted/critiqued everyday? What makes Sandy any different?

For that matter, here's my critique:

* Acting is uniformly bad - but then any actor would have problems pronouncing such cliché dialogue.
* O'hearn as Superman and as Clark look EXACTLY the same. Reeve changed his body language when he was Kent, while O'Hearn has obviously sworn to stick his chest out in each shot.
* The crane/car lifting gag is only thrown in as a "look what I can do" excuse.
* The Daytime stuff is bad.
* As a trailer, I still would have no idea what the movie is about.
* I'd have to watch it again, but I'm sure my laughter isn't what he was going after.
* Superman knocking the door down, then doing a pose in the doorway was the dumbest thing I've seen this month.
* Luther and Superman communicating by cell phone ? Where does Cingular send Superman's bill ?
* Did I mention how much I was laughing ?
* The VoiceOver was….really atrocious.

Thank you very much....

[The Batman]

So, what happened in the trailer?

[evil_genius]

Well just watched world's finest and well... it was okay... not even close to the hype that LL made it out to be... O'hearn was IMO terrible, When will Sandy start casting actors instead of muscle heads?... I liked some of the bits with Bats, but all the Daylight stuff killed it for me... I have to say I honestly liked dead end better... I think Jeph Loeb should cry ripoff as well...

Anyone else not like Two-face?... or was it just me.... the guy who played lex was cool, and some of the art direction was awesome... the flying effect... the wideangle lens on a stick trick didn't really do it for me... Liked the part with the jeep though.

Man I just can't get over how one dimensional O'Hearn was, and Clark may look buff and intimidating in the costume, but Bruce Wayne he is not...

Overall I thought it was good for what it was, but nowhere near what I expected with all the pre-hype, just wish some more thought had been put into the dialogue as well.

I'm only being crtical of this film, because Sandy and his Collora-ites are always praising his stuff as amazing and ground breaking, when you have a PR machine like that you'd better be prepared to have people be critical.

And yes oh yes that voice-over was ohh so terrible... and one last thing the opeing shots of supes ripping his shirt open... two questions 1) could he rip off Alex Ross a little more, and 2) why would supes be in a spotlight showing the world his secret identity?

Cheers

Cheers

[batnewbie1967]

i didn't know supes could bleed THAT bad...

[MJZ]

It was more fun than Dead End, and O' Hearn looked phenomenal, way better than in the still photos. That said, Bartram continues to disappoint as Batman, and every word of dialogue made me cringe.

Pretty to look at, but that's about it.

[The Batman]

So what happened in the fanfilm?

[SHADOWBAT69]

just watched it.

ugh. the dialog is aweful, and the acting isn't much better. bartram is no bruce wayne or batman. how did this guy ever get chosen? and collora critiques others? meh.

[Daredevil886]

Originally posted by MJZ
Pretty to look at, but that's about it.

So very, very true.

[Milkman95]

Actually MJZ, I thought O'Hearn didn't fit the role at all.......his face is too thin, his line delivery was bad, and his Clark Kent was bad. What made it good?

[Comic Book Boy]

Originally posted by evil_genius
could he rip off Alex Ross a little more,

I wouldn't say he was "ripping off Alex Ross" I thought it was a nice tribute to Alex Ross. The ripping the shirt in the spotlight scene and the half-dressed Clark/
superman sitting in his apartment were nice nods to Ross.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Originally posted by SHADOWBAT69
just watched it.

ugh. the dialog is aweful, and the acting isn't much better. bartram is no bruce wayne or batman. how did this guy ever get chosen? and collora critiques others? meh.

You're out of your mind. I seriously hope you don't think that Michaeal Keaton was better in either role....Michael (balding, nappy haired, aging) Keaton as a playboy billionaire?? now you're really asking a lot of the audience.

Keaton may have been the best Batman in the movies, but it's not really that great of a compliment when you look at his competition.

[Milkman95]

You don't actually think Bartram is better than Keaton, do you?

If that's the case, then that's like saying Justin Timberlake will make a better Superman than Christopher Reeve........hilarious.

[Seth71]

What's a nappy haired?

[co2]

Originally posted by Milkman95
You don't actually think Bartram is better than Keaton, do you?

If that's the case, then that's like saying Justin Timberlake will make a better Superman than Christopher Reeve........hilarious.

That comparison makes no sense whatsoever.
I do think Bertram is better in the Batsuit, but Keaton is of course a better actor.
But Bale is going to ber better than both.

[Seth71]

Here's something I don't undertsand. Why people put down every fun film that comes out? Is it jealousy? I mean, look at what WB did with B&R and they are a studio with a real budget. For this very reason no fan film will ever be worse than B&R because it was a "real" comercial wide release film. Now fans do movies out of love with no money and then people just put them down? What's that? As a fan, the more movies and different takes on my favorite characters, the better. Specially that the chances of big ol' WB give us a classic take on supes and bats are very thin. Somebody stands up and go make it and people put it down? For me it's just one more take on the characters I love. A different take. What's the point of doing it rubber armor if that's all WB can do? What's the point of doing it the same way? I have nothing against contructive criticism, but to just put it down without even point something positive about it (like production value, effort, image quality and etc) makes it so clear where this criticism is comeing from. Envy.
I thought the film has many good points to it, as it has bad ones. But in the end of the day, what counts for me is that there are people taking money from they own pockets to make the films they want to see about they beloved characters, even knowing they won't make this money back. They make them and offer them for FREE to others fans which can only put it down, even though they paid nothing to watch it. Go pay for a B&R DVD or to wtahc Catwoman or The Punisher. At least you will have a decent excuse to complain and puit it down, since you PAID for it.

[revolver86]

I like the guys that play Superman and Batman. But, Sandy needs to learn how to get better actors to play the villains. Lex and Two-Face were god aweful and didn't look anything like there comic counterparts. I also didn't like the chick that played Lois. They shouldn't have had scenes with Bats in the daytime as it ruins the effect. The things I liked were the bat-mobile, the scene in the cave about breaking into the Whitehouse. And my absolute favorite....."Where's Bruce?" and then Batman jumping up on the piano. That had to be one of the coolest shots ever!

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Originally posted by Milkman95
You don't actually think Bartram is better than Keaton, do you?

If that's the case, then that's like saying Justin Timberlake will make a better Superman than Christopher Reeve........hilarious.

Ok that comparison is just plain sad...ok how about this, what are the physical characteristics of Batman/Bruce Wayne that an actor could portray well on screen?...

Batman

Dark
Mysterious
Intimidating
Buff
Tall

Bruce Wayne

Handsome
Buff
Outgoing
Charming
Tall

Now you tell me who fits those characteristics more. Keaton is NOT a good looking guy, he's NOT intimidating, and he's sure as hell not buff. In the 20 secs of screen time that Bruce Wayne got in "World's Finest" he managed to blow away Keaton's Bruce Wayne. Clark Bartram may not be 6'2 but then again niether is Keaton....now you tell me how many of those characteristics Bartram and Keaton have.

I never said Keaton was a horrible actor, but Batman he is NOT. I haven't even seen Batman Begins, and I can already tell you that Bale blows away Keaton, Kilmer, and Clooney just by pictures alone.

I love how people constantly put down Clark or Mike O'Hearn simply because they're in good shape. I've seen a lot of people call them "muscle heads" which then leads to them not being able to act...need I remind anyone a former Mr. Universe managed to become one of the world's most famous actors, and the current governor of Ca? Gee I wonder how many people told him he'd never make it simply because he was a bodybuilder.

When they were casting the Incredible Hulk show in the 70's...did they turn to a 5'6 aging actor? NO, they turned to a BODYBUILDER. You guys need to cool it with the Clark bashing....keep in mind this is a INDY FILM, there is no budget to get a big name.

[MJZ]

Bartram as Bruce Wayne? That was a riot!

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Keaton as Bruce Wayne....that's just sad.

[ultimatefan]

All right, all right, chill out everybody. For what it was intended to be, it was fun. It´s a trailer, it doesn´t tell the story, but it gets you interested. The dialogue wasn´t great, but it didn´t feel out of place either. It didn´t have any full scenes, so it´s hard to judge anyway. But the characters look the part and they did some impressive stunts for the low budget they had. The actors look the part and I didn´t find them terrible, at least for the little they had to do. It´s a good piece of fan fun, nothing else.

[Milkman95]

Originally posted by MJZ
Bartram as Bruce Wayne? That was a riot!

Exactly. Bartram was a complete joke as Bruce Wayne. Keaton was way better. Keaton pulled off Wayne just fine. Bartram didn't because he couldn't act his way out of a litter box. I'm not bashing him, that's just a fact. I respect his attitude and physique, because I am also involved in physical fitness and I know what it takes to have a body like his. I'll take a good actor that can deliver the correct personality anyday over some guy that just looks like him and can't act......

[MJZ]

Originally posted by 0neDisturbedSOB
Keaton as Bruce Wayne....that's just sad.

It worked in the context Burton was trying to create. It wasn't supposed to be a carbon copy of the character from the comics.

Granted, I prefer the characterization from the comics and animated series, but Bartram's delivery is just horrendous.

[Milkman95]

^Agree once again. Bale is the best of both worlds - he's a great actor who is also in shape, so I agree there that Bale will blow everyone else out of the water. I just don't know how you can compare Bartram to Keaton, it's really quite ridiculous......Keaton is an accomplished actor who is seen to this day as the best Batman so far, and Bartram has starred in two low budget fanfilms where he couldn't even deliver the 5 lines he had in both films......

[richierich61]

I liked this film. I think for a short fan film it is very good. I wish it were longer. It felt incomplete and I wasn't quite sure what it was about as a whole. Its very impressive what can be done on such a small budget. That said, I liked Mike O'Hearn as Supes. I prefer to see someone with a bodybuilder's physique as Superman. That's what he should look like. As for the acting, he was better than I thought he would be. He definitely looked the part and he wasn't awful. He did a decent job.

[ultimatefan]

Yeah, we have to take in consideration that this is fan stuff, with people working for free and a tiny budget. Can´t look at it with the same view as a 100 million dollar movie.

[Seth71]

What Ultimatefan said.

[Seth71]

By the way, how can people judge Baltran's Wayne? He barely spoke as Wayne.

[JBElliott]

Originally posted by MJZ
"I thinks its very dissrespectul to insult other peoples work."

Was that a brain-fart or what? We can say whatever we damn well please about it. It's the beauty of the First Ammendment. Now, if you want to debate the merits of such endeavors, that's another thing, but saying we can't criticize something because time and effort was put into it is malarkey.

You've definitely got the right to say what you please, short of shouting fire in a theater and libel.

But one point to keep in mind when talking about Collora's work is the scale of his budget.

For instance, you can't really compare Newton's theory of gravity and Einstein's theory of general relativity without taking into account that Newton didn't have the tools to work with that Einstein did. Newton didn't even have calculus, he had to invent it. Einstein had calculus and a lot more.

Obviously Collora's work won't, for the most part, look as good as super hero movies put out by the major studios. But if you take into account the differing budgets, then Collora's work compares well with any super hero movie put out by the major studios and is better than many, e.g. Catwoman, Dolph's Punisher and so on.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Originally posted by MJZ
It worked in the context Burton was trying to create. It wasn't supposed to be a carbon copy of the character from the comics.

Granted, I prefer the characterization from the comics and animated series, but Bartram's delivery is just horrendous.

See here's what I don't get about some of you. You praise Burton and Keaton for delivering the best Batman, yet the whole film was a drastic difference from the source material.

In Burton's films Bruce Wayne was an aging guy with a poor physique and a lot of money. Whereas the REAL Bruce Wayne, is a younger, handsome guy with a physically perfected body...how is that even close??

In Burton's films Batman had no problem killing people...the REAL Batman DOES NOT kill...period.

You also had The Joker who seemingly met up with a young Bruce Wayne and shot his family...later they meet up...Batman turns him into The Joker and there you go. How the hell is that even close? Joe Chill killed Batman's parents, it's almost like they were searching for a reason for Batman to hate The Joker...I guess the fact that he was a homicidal maniac just wasn't enough.

The only reason people buy into Burton's films is because he managed to come up with some BS excuse that he was making a "departure" from the comics. I'm sorry but when I pay money to see a film called BATMAN, I want it to at least keep to source material....nevermind the ridiculous suit.

Keaton was the best Batman in the movies, but he still was a horrible choice. I will agree that Bale is best of both worlds...he's a tremendous actor, and he can pull off the handsome playboy role.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I think everyone would agree that Dead End, and World's Finest blow "Catwoman" away....I think the old school Fantastic Four movie manages to do that too.

[JBElliott]

From your critique it sounds like you were expecting to be something it's not, it's not a major studio project.

* Acting is uniformly bad - but then any actor would have problems pronouncing such cliché dialogue.

I agree that a lot of the dialogue was cliched, but then that's sort of what comic books are. A lot of the dialog was taken out of various comics. The acting wasn't that great, but it's about as good as say, Dolph Lundgren or Sylvester Stallone in most of their films. Remeber also that Dolph and Sly probably get a few hundred takes to get the lines even as good as they do, I doubt Collora had that much time for his "actors."

* O'hearn as Superman and as Clark look EXACTLY the same. Reeve changed his body language when he was Kent, while O'Hearn has obviously sworn to stick his chest out in each shot.

Currect comics have Clark and Superman being pretty much the same build. Clark was a high school football star in the current continuity.

* The crane/car lifting gag is only thrown in as a "look what I can do" excuse.

So what? We see that all the time in major motion pictures. We see Berry's cleavage all the time in Catwoman for the same reason.

* The Daytime stuff is bad.

Yeah, Collora should have had Batman work the shadows better for the day time shots. That means different locations where there are shadows in which to hide. For instance, Batman could have knocked out some of the lighting in the interior shots.

* As a trailer, I still would have no idea what the movie is about.

Batman and Superman vs. Luthor. Luthor hires Two Face to off Superman using a kryptonite bullet.

* Superman knocking the door down, then doing a pose in the doorway was the dumbest thing I've seen this month.

You don't read too many Superman comics do you?

* Luther and Superman communicating by cell phone ? Where does Cingular send Superman's bill ?

I'm pretty sure that was Clark talking to Lex.

* Did I mention how much I was laughing?

I'm sure it's about as much as I laugh at Bush and Cheney these days. Those guys make a great comedy team!

[0neDisturbedSOB]

You nailed it COMPLETELY

[Nivek]

Im amazed how much Fanboy hate Collera stirred up from obvious Burton Batfans. sheesh guys, wheres the guys who put the comic depiction first? If you judge it on that, these Collera films and Grayson have alot more in common with the comic, hands down. Personally, I get more of a kick out of it more than the studio films that try to overdose on Reality on Superhero flicks. Have some fun with it.

[batnewbie1967]

Is it just me, or doesn't it occur to you,too that O' Hearn looks similar to Nic Cage?

[Milkman95]

Whatever JB, I've read enough Superman comics to know enough, and even though Collora was trying to pull off what a comics page does, it doesn't work. You didn't nail ANYTHING completely. All you did was defend someone that has more resources and money than the other fan filmakers and came up with something ultimately disappointing....

I'll agree some of it I was harsh on, just because it was right after the first time I watched it, and I expected a lot more. After watching it a few more times, I realise I was a bit tough, but it all comes down to the actors - and of course that's why it didn't work - at least for me anyway. For example, if you watched the Denzel Washington movie "Man on Fire" with someone who couldn't act instead of Denzel in the role, that movie would have been the same old story told over and over again...but a good actor like Denzel MADE it good. Even though this is a fan film, if you're going to try to do a visual representation, which Collora has now tried twice, SHUT THE ACTOR'S UP and have it be just a visual piece, and not have O'Hearn or Bartram say a word, and it would have been better.....stick to visuals if you're trying to rip the EXACT look right off the page........

And yes, I get comedy everyday from Kerry's campaign.......

[P. Cushing]

You support the Texan Terrorist? That's just wrong!

[P. Cushing]

MY REVIEW

BATMAN
Jesus! Clark Bartram really sucked! I mean it! When you put him next to O'Hearn you realise he's a shortass who looks very little Batman. His delivery, especially the "You let people get too close" line, was awful. The costume looks way worse than it did in DE, except for the nightime scenes. The contacts seem to have turned pink.

SUPERMAN
Excellent! Mike O'Hearn is the spitting image of Superman and the costume is perfect! His acting was pretty good and he really felt like the TAS Superman. He had good chemistry with his Lois too. The flying was also well done.

LEX LUTHOR
Looked great, but I could've done without the Superfriends armor. I have just one question; Why is he talking to Clark Kent on the telephone and admitting that he's gonna kill people?

LOIS LANE
Whoever played Lois, she was great. She looked exactly Like the character and played her perfectly.

TWO-FACE
Ugh! The makeup was unconvincing and the actor didn't look anything like Harvey Dent! Bad acting too! And since when has Two-Face been an assasin for hire?

WRITING
A big step up from Dead End! Coherent plot, and some scenes lifted straight out of the TNBA World's Finest.

FX
Great. Mostly seamless

BOTTOM LINE
The Superman related stuff was great, the Batman related stuff sucked. Sandy, if you make another fan film, stick to Clark's world, you're much, much better at it.

[Seth71]

Good review. Honest and clean without unneeded bad mouthing.

I think the Batman costume was the very same from DE. I can see the mask was. The reason it didn't work as well is because of the day light scenes I guess. Even in the comics, Bruce has said the costume doesn't work in day light. That was one of my few problems with the trailer. The rest really looks good.

[Milkman95]

Yes I do, take a look at the sig........there is always unneeded bad mouthing, that's filmaking and critics for ya - you have to take the good with the bad. Pitof of course is getting slammed by critics - is that unneeded or unfair?

I'm taking Sandy's effort as a studio effort, and not giving him any breaks.....

[ultimatefan]

Well, considering what WB did with 100 million dollars and an Oscar winner in CINO, Collora´s films are masterpieces...

[Milkman95]

^I guess I agree, but I was just trying to make a point about films in general getting unneeded criticism........it's just the name of the game.

[spidermanfreak22]

I loved Dead End because it was new and fresh and out of nowhere. I personally feel it was the best depiction of Batman live action. But my feelings on the live action Batman's are that all Burton ever gave us was a great over the top Joker a great Catwoman and a perfect theme song. The best Batman depiction has to be the animated series. Dead End was very close to capturing that feel. As much as everyone hated the Aliens and Predators sit back and ask yourself. Would we have ever seen Batman fight the Aliens and Predators had it not been for Sandy? The answer NO. Look we have to be happy that today fan films can compete In my opinion with stuff that is a weekly Television series. These fan films blow away Smallville and that Birds of Prey tv show that was once on WB. Aaaron Schoneke 19 is getting better and better. His Year One costume was crap but then he made Dark Justice. The problem with that film is that it was eclipsed by the great Dead End and Death of Batman. And it was kind of boring in action compared to Dead End which had Batman facing off against a Predator. I cant wait to see his Madness film and see how he has Batman pit off against Superman. But I'm afraid fans will dismiss Madness because Collora beat him to releasing his film and they'll think its a copy of Worlds Finest.

My point is around the same time of 3 ccd dv cameras and broadband internet were being made for public all we had was the Fantastic Four movie and Dan Pooles Green Goblin's Last Stand. Until then any fan film looked extremely cheesy being that it looked like it was done on 600 dollar vhs camcorders practical sets and costume made from Wal Mart. Dead End looked like a professional tv show and it was done for 30 grand. I believe the average TV Episode for a Hercules or Xena ranged form 500,000 or less. In the end Hype killed this film. I prefer Grayson much more than this trailer. The question I pose is where is this going?

Guys like Sandy, Dan,Aaaron,and Fiorella are making these cock teases but can never manage to make anything feature length. And who can blame them. The average salary they can blow is what 40 grand. For me these fan films are an oppurtunity to finally see the characters having crossovers. In Hollywood to cross over two characters from the same universe such as a Dare Devil and Spider-man can take years and cost millions. Look how long its taken Hollywood to cross over Alien and Predator or Freddy and Jason. Hollywood is the mind of business. The average comic book film can cost upwards from 60 million (Hellboy) to 225 Million (Spider-man 2). The problem is that these budgets end up doing more harm than good. Right now in Hollywood young directors are helming huge productions because of their success with a smaller film made cult classic. The process to make a superhero film is long and requires many hurdles.

But with fan films you can get more of a Lost In Translation style of film making. I mean honestly did anyone even know who Clark Bartram was before Sandy introduced him? No! When Superman casting choices came up no one was saying the name Mike O Hearn. I look at these fan films as a voice and power to sway the mob (us). Like that line in Gladiator. "I am a slave what possible difference can I make." Look at the difference these fan films have made. Im not asking you guys to like or hate them. I mean some of them down right suck. But its great we can finally live in a time where its no longer impossible for a comic book reader to put to vision his ideas for a character. Worlds Finest is Sandy's vision of Superman. We can all agree Reeves will never be topped. But I would have never see O'Hearn in my life if not for this film and you know what hes much better than the casting choices WB was throwing around before. Ashton Kutcher ring a bell.

I think were going to need some crazy billionare to come out and give a 500 grand or more to some of these guys and see what they can come up with. Keep in mind the so called greatest film of all time Citizen Kane only cost Orson Welles less than a Million Bucks! The bar for Fan Films has been raised its not enough to grab a DV camera go to a costume shop buy a superman costume and grabd some guy in the gym. You need to invest time money and creativity all for a mere 8 or more minutes.

I think people are confused (Sandy) that Hollywood is going to let them helm a big budget movie for having an acclaimed fan film. I think that the thinking for that is wrong. The need to think smaller instead of bigger. The should try and get some sort of fan series like American Express has for those Superman Seinfeld shorts except they should see if they can get 30 minutes or more for maybe 3-5 episodes and a making of. Because there is profit in it for the studio where they can sell a DVD for 12-18 bucks. DVD distribution is much cheaper and faster and marketing can be done through Superhero Hype and Internet sites. You can release REAL trailers online and then let fans decided whether they want to purchase it or not.

[iconboy]

my 2 cents...

i liked everything visually. the lines were ok, but delivered badly, and was it just me or did anyone else notice that the video was great but the audio was just WEIRD. bad even. i mean the scenes with big rooms and people speaking sounded really ameuturistic (spelling?)

i dont mean to knock anyone here, because the truth of the matter is, without fan films we wouldnt see these types of stories and ideas visually at all!

i always ***** and moan about when hollywood casts people that dont FEEL like the character in superhero fillms, but i feel like it was a miss here too. now i know that for a fan film you cant go knock on ben affleck or christian bale's door and ask them to be in your 5 min fan film, but i mean its just sooo weiirrdd the casting here...

the guy who played superman, looked great as superman and like ok as clark. someone mentioned he should have changed his body lingo for clark and i totally agree. the guy who played batman, im sorry couldnt really fill out the mask and looked kinda old to be playing batman. the person who played lois was SOOO OFF. i think many people think she was good because she was hot, but lois is suppose to be intelligent, witty and beutiful. not obnoxious, dull and slightly slutty. I dunno thats the vibe i got.

TWO FACE was HOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIBBBBBBLLLLLEEEEEEEEE E

did they actually see two faces' shots and say "yeah thats good put that in!" cause OMG!

HOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIBBBBBBBBBLLLLLLLEE EE!

luthor was cool. The suit he wore was awsome, high production wise.

A few people have said this and I conquor... the trailer made NO SENSE if it was to show off a full story, Im sorry its just confusing.

this director should have kept the batmana and superman universes SEPERATE. the comic was a stupid idea and it is a stupid idea for this fan film. Kepp em seperate, i am confident that the director can make a kick asss supes film and a kick ass batman flick, just keep em seperate!!!

[BatMatt]

Batman looks ridiculous in his head on shot while talking to Superman, his eyes look pink

[JBElliott]

Originally posted by Milkman95
Whatever JB, I've read enough Superman comics to know enough, and even though Collora was trying to pull off what a comics page does, it doesn't work. You didn't nail ANYTHING completely. All you did was defend someone that has more resources and money than the other fan filmakers and came up with something ultimately disappointing....

If you've read enough Superman comics, you'll know that he stands with his hands on hips quite a bit after breaking down doors, walls or various other barriers.

Yeah, Collora tried to stay faithful to what we see in comics and succeeded to varying degrees. Rami tried the same thing and succeeded to a greater degree, but then he had a budget that was almost 21,000 times what Collora did. If you take that into account, the Collora did very well on all counts. Anything from the comic page can be translated onto film and have very good results if done properly. It's a pity that WB doesn't understand this, but it's good that Sony does.

As for being ultimately disappointing, it depends on what you expect. For what Collora has to work with, I think he did pretty well. I don't know what you're comparing WF to, but it doesn't seem like you're really considering it in the proper context.

I'll agree some of it I was harsh on, just because it was right after the first time I watched it, and I expected a lot more. After watching it a few more times, I realise I was a bit tough, but it all comes down to the actors - and of course that's why it didn't work - at least for me anyway. For example, if you watched the Denzel Washington movie "Man on Fire" with someone who couldn't act instead of Denzel in the role, that movie would have been the same old story told over and over again...but a good actor like Denzel MADE it good. Even though this is a fan film, if you're going to try to do a visual representation, which Collora has now tried twice, SHUT THE ACTOR'S UP and have it be just a visual piece, and not have O'Hearn or Bartram say a word, and it would have been better.....stick to visuals if you're trying to rip the EXACT look right off the page........

There's more to "acting" in movies that just the ability of the actor. On stage, in a play, the actors ability is paramount. On film it's not as important. In major motion pictures the director can have the actor give several different readings of one scene and then put together the best preformances to give the appearance that the actor gave a good overall performance. While actors like DiNiro, Paccino, Washington or Hanks might not need several takes, "actors" like Schwarzenegger or Stallone probably so. In a film with a large budget the director can afford several takes to get something that works. I'm sure that's what Cameron did when he worked with Schwarzenegger. On the other hand, if the budget is low and only a few takes are possible, even someone of Schwarzenegger's "talent" can give an awful performance; e.g. "Hercules in New York (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065832/) ." I'm sure if Collora had the time to give Bartram and O'Hearn more chances the acting would have been better, say on the level of Schwarzenegger or Stallone in their big budget action movies, though not nearly as good as DiNiro, Paccino, Washington or Hanks.

And yes, I get comedy everyday from Kerry's campaign.......

Yeah, there's a lot of funny stuff there, but not as much from the Bush/Cheney administration; e.g. "weapons of mass destruction" vs. "no weapons of mass destructions" or "Saddam tries to get uranium from Niger" (even though the US intelligence community told Bush/Cheney that that most certainly wasn't true) or "our contribution to the Vietnam War" or lack thereof, and so on and so on. It's a real gut buster. :D

[MJZ]

Politics in the Batman forum.

BE GONE!!

[JBElliott]

Originally posted by MJZ
Politics in the Batman forum.

BE GONE!!

Politics belong here. There were a lot of them in "The Dark Knight Returns" after all. ;)

[Milkman95]

I guess this thread has died, just like WF did........

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I think they all have

[Wolfman_316]

WHat's this mess I hear about Robert Downey, Jr playing IRON MAN?! I was hoping Oded Fehr would do the character justice.
My casting for a live action ULTIMATES film would be:

Captain America-Cole Hauser
Iron Man-Oded Fehr
Thor-Zakk Wylde or Tyler Mane
Wasp-Lucy Liu
Giant Man-Josh Lucas
Black Widow-Milla Jovovich
Hawkeye-Orlando Bloom
Nick Fury-Samuel L. Jackson (of course)

If you guys have other opinions, go for it, I'm open

[El Payaso]

Collora's Superman is balding too fast.

[Kevin Roegele]

WHat's this mess I hear about Robert Downey, Jr playing IRON MAN?! I was hoping Oded Fehr would do the character justice.
My casting for a live action ULTIMATES film would be:

Captain America-Cole Hauser
Iron Man-Oded Fehr
Thor-Zakk Wylde or Tyler Mane
Wasp-Lucy Liu
Giant Man-Josh Lucas
Black Widow-Milla Jovovich
Hawkeye-Orlando Bloom
Nick Fury-Samuel L. Jackson (of course)

If you guys have other opinions, go for it, I'm open

Amazing. Of all the wrong threads to post in, you chose a two year old thread about a Batman and Superman fan trailer?