Who Would Really Win?

[hyperion04]

Hulk vs Superman

We've seen the lame crossovers, but in a real battle, on earth, and no kryptonite involved, who takes the cake?

Green Genes against the current Supes.

I say it could go either way, but my money is on Hulk.

Cuz "The Madder Hulk gets, the Stronger Hulk gets."

Superman has his heat vision/energy, but I've seen the Hulk regenerate all of his flesh within a matter of minutes, just after he had it fried from his bones. Not sayin' Superman can penetrate Hulk's skin, but IF he can.

Gimme some feedback, peeps.

[War Lord]

It's probably a tie. You don't necessarily need to be the strongest one to win, because brains helps too.

Ultimately, both are on the side of good, so after a good battle, they'd go their separate ways.

[SuperFerret]

The Hulk.

Purple pants always beats red underwear.

[X]

In all seriousness, it could go either way. For pure brute physical power, The Hulk has Superman beaten. When faced with a powerful foe like Superman, The Hulk gets quite frustrated quickly and what not, so him having to fight Superman for a while even to meet Supermans base strength isn't going to be a problem. Superman has a much larger variety of powers though, and he's a lot faster, smarter. Hulk's probably more battle savy, and pound for pound, tougher. Both of the above statements were pretty much proven in the 98 Hulk vs. Superman GN, where the early Hulk fought Earth 2 Superman. Pretty much showed how a battle between both of their normal counterparts would go.

[DevilHulk]

Hulk is much more stronger than Superman,and Superman's speed is no problem for The Hulk (we have just seen it in "Hulk vs Superman" and "Hulk vs Gladiator" , and Hulk had no problems with Surfer's speed.....no comment).


And Hulk is an engine of destruction , Superman is only a boy scout.Hulk has more experience in battles than Superman ;he has got regerative powers and if Superman is hurt he remains hurted and painful;Hulk not.


Hulk could destroy Superman most of times, i see a better versus Hulk vs Doomsday; both Hulk and DD are more powerful and resistance (and adapt to fight) than Superman.

[X]

Originally posted by DevilHulk
Hulk is much more stronger than Superman,and Superman's speed is no problem for The Hulk (we have just seen it in "Hulk vs Superman" and "Hulk vs Gladiator" , and Hulk had no problems with Surfer's speed.....no comment).


And Hulk is an engine of destruction , Superman is only a boy scout.Hulk has more experience in battles than Superman ;he has got regerative powers and if Superman is hurt he remains hurted and painful;Hulk not.


Hulk could destroy Superman most of times, i see a better versus Hulk vs Doomsday; both Hulk and DD are more powerful and resistance (and adapt to fight) than Superman.

Superman's a helluva lot stronger then The Hulk to begin with.

The Hulk has has problems with the SS's speed before, The SS rarely uses his super speed against The Hulk anyhow. Superman's much more adept at travelling/fighting insanly fast then the SS anyhow.

Superman can be damned bad ass when it call for it. And Superman is also a lot smarter then The Hulk, and probably a better fighter. The Hulk's a decent brawler if anything.

Glad's didn't employ his super speed against The Hulk either, I didn't see him trying to punch him a couple hundred times in a few seconds or anything.

[DACMAN]

I love both characters. As far as strenght goes Hulk has it hands down. (see my sig) But Supes is a lot faster. He's faster than Spidey and Spidey is usually fast enough to dodge the Hulk's fist. I think what it comes down to though is stenght because we all know that Doomsday killed Superman and all he had was strenght.

[Toby_Temple]

My votes on Hulk. Superman will only get his bones broken.

[co2]

I usually don't get into these discussions...because there is nothing geekier..but hey, I'm already on a comic book internet message board....I'm at geek level:red already.
Anyone has the potential to beat anyone in my opinion. There are lots of factors involved beyond strength. It could simply be a case of luck or even the mental state someone is in which can come down to what they had for breakfast that morning.
As far as strength potential...I'd say Hulk has that over the post-crisis Supes. He even has a more ruthless attitude....but beyond that Supes really has the edge with all of his other powers. Given that, if forced to bet, I would have to go with the Man of Tomorrow. But Hulk does have a decent shot of winning. If Doom'sday can do it then Hulk can for sure.
But the real answer is "anyone the writer wants to".

[DACMAN]

See, I used to buy into that also. I think you could write a story where Robin beats Superman, or Jubilee beats the Hulk. You could write it, but it doesn't mean that it won't be completely and totally silly and everyone acting out of character.

[Toby_Temple]

I put it this way: Hulk is extremely strong and has a very high resistance to injury and autoregenerates any injuries inflicted by anyone to his body. Hulk can practically exceed Superman's strength through rage. Superman on the other hand also has a high degree of invulnerability but can be injured by someone as strong as Hulk. And Superman cannot heal himself. So both gets injured in the fight, but Hulk's injuries disappear in minutes while Superman's injuries remain and could increase during the fight. In an all out browl, it is more likely that Hulk will survive the fight.

[torkibe]

You do realize that this is a thread that is bumped from 2 years ago? The only thing bumping this thread did is prove that the Hulk fanboys haven't changed much in 2 years...

[DACMAN]

and that some people can't stand the idea of other people making good points about how their favorite hero would get his @$$ handed to him. No one is making you read this thread brainiac.

[torkibe]

You do realize that this is a thread that is bumped from 2 years ago? The only thing bumping this thread did is prove that the Hulk fanboys haven't changed much in 2 years...


and that some people can't stand the idea of other people making good points about how their favorite hero would get his @$$ handed to him.

My point exactly. Hulk fanboys can't stand the idea that he would get his ass handed to him by Superman. Contrary to your sig, Superman is not only stronger than the Hulk, but faster and smarter (unless we're talking about the professor). I'm glad you agree :up:

[Toby_Temple]

My point exactly. Hulk fanboys can't stand the idea that he would get his ass handed to him by Superman.
Same thing can be said to Superman fanboys. So what is stated above is pointless.

Contrary to your sig, Superman is not only stronger than the Hulk, but faster and smarter (unless we're talking about the professor). I'm glad you agree :up:

Hulk's initial strength, yes. But if Hulk gets pissed, he can easily surpass Superman's strength. Marvel comics show that making Hulk angry will make him nigh-unstoppable. And DC comics show that super strong beings whose strength doesn't increase like Hulk can hurt Superman. With Hulk's increasing strength, he can deal more damage to Superman than Doomsday.

It is true that Superman is superfast and thinks like an average human, but Hulk have defeated Gladiator, one of Marvel's version of Superman. So it is very possible for Hulk to face someone like Supes and defeat him.

[torkibe]

Same thing can be said to Superman fanboys. So what is stated above is pointless.



Hulk's initial strength, yes. But if Hulk gets pissed, he can easily surpass Superman's strength. Marvel comics show that making Hulk angry will make him nigh-unstoppable. And DC comics show that super strong beings whose strength doesn't increase like Hulk can hurt Superman. With Hulk's increasing strength, he can deal more damage to Superman than Doomsday.

It is true that Superman is superfast and thinks like an average human, but Hulk have defeated Gladiator, one of Marvel's version of Superman. So it is very possible for Hulk to face someone like Supes and defeat him.

I can't believe I'm letting myself get baited into this debate again, but here goes....

No, Hulk cannot easily surpass Superman's strength. True, Superman's strength has fluctuated over the years, but he is still near planet moving levels in MOST cases. Like any other character, he's had some stupid showings but for the most part yeah. Could the Hulk get that strong? Maybe... But he never has. Yes, he busted Onslaught's armor. Onslaught wanted him to. Doomsday would pimp slap the Hulk. People cling to "the madder he gets, the stronger he gets" and think that makes him undefeatable. But he has been beaten, many times... You can only get so mad.

Superman does not think like the average human. He has genius level intellect. He may even be as smart as Banner. But I'll give that edge to Banner anyway.

and for the record... I don't even collect Superman anymore. I don't really collect any DC. I do however collect the Hulk.

[HULKSTER'04]

HULK wins no question!

[DACMAN]

I can't believe I'm letting myself get baited into this debate again, but here goes....

No, Hulk cannot easily surpass Superman's strength. True, Superman's strength has fluctuated over the years, but he is still near planet moving levels in MOST cases. Like any other character, he's had some stupid showings but for the most part yeah. Could the Hulk get that strong? Maybe... But he never has. Yes, he busted Onslaught's armor. Onslaught wanted him to. Doomsday would pimp slap the Hulk. People cling to "the madder he gets, the stronger he gets" and think that makes him undefeatable. But he has been beaten, many times... You can only get so mad.

Superman does not think like the average human. He has genius level intellect. He may even be as smart as Banner. But I'll give that edge to Banner anyway.

and for the record... I don't even collect Superman anymore. I don't really collect any DC. I do however collect the Hulk.And for the record

Secret WARs 2, #8: Beyonder searches for the HULK and finds him in the desert. HULK attacks the Beyonder. Beyonder puts the HULK in stasis and begins to probe him. The Beyonder says of the HULKs inner potential:
"You are nothing but power incarnate! An infinity of power with no finite element inside!! Worse yet, you remind me of someone (himself)."

Some of the HULK's greater feats include:
: The aforementioned overcoming of the energy field that could move planets from thier orbits in TTA 79

King size annual 3: HULK strikes the ground so hard that he sends shockwaves all the way from Colorado to Denmark (other side of the planet)

The fact is according to the Ultimate Guide to the Man of Steel (which I have, I'm a huge Superman fan) Superman's strenght is NOT unlimited. The Hulk's obviously is.

(A post-crisis) Superman had trouble with an airplane that weighed around 190 tons while the calm Hulk lifted a 150 billion ton mountain. The only way you can make any arguement that the HULK is not stronger than Superman is talking about the pre-crisis Superman which really didn't seem to have a limit to his strenght much like the HULK. So you certainly could make the case that their as strong as one another.

[torkibe]

And for the record

Secret WARs 2, #8: Beyonder searches for the HULK and finds him in the desert. HULK attacks the Beyonder. Beyonder puts the HULK in stasis and begins to probe him. The Beyonder says of the HULKs inner potential:
"You are nothing but power incarnate! An infinity of power with no finite element inside!! Worse yet, you remind me of someone (himself)."

Some of the HULK's greater feats include:
: The aforementioned overcoming of the energy field that could move planets from thier orbits in TTA 79

King size annual 3: HULK strikes the ground so hard that he sends shockwaves all the way from Colorado to Denmark (other side of the planet)

The fact is according to the Ultimate Guide to the Man of Steel (which I have, I'm a huge Superman fan) Superman's strenght is NOT unlimited. The Hulk's obviously is.

(A post-crisis) Superman had trouble with an airplane that weighed around 190 tons while the calm Hulk lifted a 150 billion ton mountain. The only way you can make any arguement that the HULK is not stronger than Superman is talking about the pre-crisis Superman which really didn't seem to have a limit to his strenght much like the HULK. So you certainly could make the case that their as strong as one another.

I'm not saying that the Hulk isn't ridiculously strong. Superman having trouble with the plane is one of the worst jobs of writing ever. Hulk's strength THEORHETICALLY has no limit, though even he himself stated he could get madder for days and never be able to hurt Klaatu, so that would seem to indicate he does have a limit. And he didn't lift a 150 billion ton mountain. He braced it, with help from the Thing.

[DACMAN]

Well then isn't it just as easy to say that him saying he could never hurt Klaatu is "one of the worst jobs of writing ever"? And no where in the comic does it say the Thing helped. Look, it seems pretty cut and dry to me. The Ultimate Guide to the Man of Steel states as clear as day that Superman has limits, the offical guide to the HULK (amoung a million other sources) states that the HULK has no limits to his strenght. There is no debate on who is stronger, everyone knows that the HULK is. It's like asking who's faster Flash or Quicksilver. Everyone just knows. The real question is who would win in a fight.

[Venomfan]

the strongest thing iv seen or heard of hulk doing is holding up a 150 billion ton mountain, iv seen superman push planets, its no contest. superman vs. juggernaut would be more interesting

[torkibe]

Well then isn't it just as easy to say that him saying he could never hurt Klaatu is "one of the worst jobs of writing ever"? And no where in the comic does it say the Thing helped. Look, it seems pretty cut and dry to me. The Ultimate Guide to the Man of Steel states as clear as day that Superman has limits, the offical guide to the HULK (amoung a million other sources) states that the HULK has no limits to his strenght. There is no debate on who is stronger, everyone knows that the HULK is. It's like asking who's faster Flash or Quicksilver. Everyone just knows. The real question is who would win in a fight.

Look, I'm not hating on you or the hulk... but only Hulk fans say there is no debate about who's stronger. To compare the Flash and Quicksilver to the Hulk and Superman is crazy.

[Toby_Temple]

No, Hulk cannot easily surpass Superman's strength. True, Superman's strength has fluctuated over the years, but he is still near planet moving levels in MOST cases. Like any other character, he's had some stupid showings but for the most part yeah. Could the Hulk get that strong? Maybe... But he never has. Yes, he busted Onslaught's armor. Onslaught wanted him to. Doomsday would pimp slap the Hulk. People cling to "the madder he gets, the stronger he gets" and think that makes him undefeatable. But he has been beaten, many times... You can only get so mad.
Wrong. He can pass the strength of anyone like Superman. You need to know more about a character to know what he can and cannot do. Doomsday would pimp slap the Hulk? Its the other way around. Hulk can regenerate so fast and get so pissed that Doomsday would wish he was fighting Superman instead.

And as for bad showings, even Hulk had his share, so your arguement is, again, pointless.

Superman does not think like the average human. He has genius level intellect. He may even be as smart as Banner. But I'll give that edge to Banner anyway.

and for the record... I don't even collect Superman anymore. I don't really collect any DC. I do however collect the Hulk.

Clark Kent a genius?LOL! You're fanboyism is pushing you to the edge. Banner is alot smarter than Clark. You're the only guy who doesn't know it.

[Mr. Walters]

Personally, because Superman would checnk his stregnth because of his conscience and the Hulk wouldn't the fight would go nowhere. Banner would find a way in the lab, using his brain, to defeat Superman and Clark Kent using his reporter skills would find this out, stop him prior and the two would become friends. Point being, I think Superman and the Hulk are pretty evenly matched. The real fight could be between Banner and Kent, especially if Banner had the hots for Lois Lane.

[ssj wolverine]

As stated it depends on which Supes you are talking about. Pre-Crisis would beat pathetic Hulk's ass into the ground. The current Superman who is nearing his Pre-Crisis level would still defeat Hulk but it wouldn't be easy.

[DACMAN]

the strongest thing iv seen or heard of hulk doing is holding up a 150 billion ton mountain, iv seen superman push planets, its no contest. superman vs. juggernaut would be more interesting
The HULK over came the energy field that could move planets from thier orbits in TTA 79. I have already pointed this out though.

The Juggernaut doesn't get any stronger than what he already is. Which he hasn't displayed much power when compared to the likes of Thor, Hulk, Superman, and Doomsday.

[torkibe]

Wrong. He can pass the strength of anyone like Superman. You need to know more about a character to know what he can and he cannot do. Doomsday would pimp slap the Hulk? Its the other way around. Hulk can regenerate so fast and get so pissed that Doomsday would wish he was fighting Superman instead.

And as for bad showings, even Hulk had his share, so your arguement is, again, pointless.



Clark Kent a genius?LOL! You're fanboyism is pushing you to the edge. Banner is alot smarter than Clark. You're the only guy who doesn't know it.

Did you get a good deal on the crack you're smoking? You're calling ME a fanboy? That's a joke. Do you read anything other than the Hulk? Do you know anything about Doomsday? First of all, he is nearly indestructable. Second, even IF the Hulk managed to hurt him, his healing factor is just as good as the Hulk. Third, he's STRONGER than SUPERMAN, which is stronger than the Hulk, whether you want to admit that or not. Fourth, he's AS FAST as Superman. The Hulk wouldn't even be able to hit him. Last but not least, he is constantly evolving, so even if the Hulk managed to get the upper hand for a while, it wouldn't last.

As far as intelligence, Kryptonians are thousands of years more evolved than humans. Superman is a genius by Human standards. It's not his "thing" though, so they don't really show it in the comics.

[Toby_Temple]

Did you get a good deal on the crack you're smoking? You're calling ME a fanboy? That's a joke. Do you read anything other than the Hulk? Do you know anything about Doomsday? First of all, he is nearly indestructable. Second, even IF the Hulk managed to hurt him, his healing factor is just as good as the Hulk. Third, he's STRONGER than SUPERMAN, which is stronger than the Hulk, whether you want to admit that or not. Fourth, he's AS FAST as Superman. The Hulk wouldn't even be able to hit him. Last but not least, he is constantly evolving, so even if the Hulk managed to get the upper hand for a while, it wouldn't last.

Wahahahaha. Now that is a joke. Doomsday got his bones broken by Superman in Doomsday, The Death of Superman, and it never grew back. Nearly indestructible, yes and so is Hulk but Doomsday's so called regenerative healing factor failed him and he DIED. Hulk only died on Marvels WHAT IF comics.

As far as intelligence, Kryptonians are thousands of years more evolved than humans. Superman is a genius by Human standards. It's not his "thing" though, so they don't really show it in the comics.

If he lived in Krypton upto adulthood, he would have taken Krypton education, thus the Krypton level of knowledge. So NO, you're wrong. He can't even be compared to half of Batman's intelligence and Batman is a genius in human intelligence standards.

Sorry, Mr. Torkibe.:down

[torkibe]

Wahahahaha. Now that is a joke. Doomsday got his bones broken by Superman in Doomsday, The Death of Superman, and it never grew back. Nearly indestructible, yes and so is Hulk but Doomsday's so called regenerative healing factor failed him and he DIED. Hulk only died on Marvels WHAT IF comics.



If he lived in Krypton upto adulthood, he would have taken Krypton education, thus the Krypton level of knowledge. So NO, you're wrong. He can't even be compared to half of Batman's intelligence and Batman is a genius in human intelligence standards.

Sorry, Mr. Torkibe.:down


Hulk never fought Superman to the point where Superman was TRYING to kill him either. The only way Doomsday loses is dying, then he comes back and can't be beaten the same way again. The Hulk would NOT be able to beat Doomsday to death because it's already been done. I noticed you didn't reply to all the other reasons why he'd beat the Hulk...

True, he didn't have a Kryptonian EDUCATION. Neither did Batman. Just because he wasn't educated on Krypton doesn't mean that he isn't GENETICALLY more intelligent than humans. His IQ is off the charts. I'll find where it states it somewhere, but for now I'm going to bed...

[Toby_Temple]

Hulk never fought Superman to the point where Superman was TRYING to kill him either. The only way Doomsday loses is dying, then he comes back and can't be beaten the same way again. The Hulk would NOT be able to beat Doomsday to death because it's already been done. I noticed you didn't reply to all the other reasons why he'd beat the Hulk...

I already did in my previous posts. Remember? Hulk could surpass Superman and Doomsday's strength with his escalating strength. You just answered it with the same old response:Superman is stronger than Hulk. Again, Hulk can easily surpass Superman's strength level, same with Doomsday.

And Hulk and Superman only fought twice so far in comics. Hulk also was not written to go all out. Hulk was not even the Savage Hulk when they fought in the DC/Marvel crossover.

And about Doomsday cannot be beaten the same way, that is false. Hulk's strength can just increase to the point that Doomsday has to evolve another level of protection for it. Remember, Hulk's strength upto now is shown to be limited by the amount of rage he can muster. The highest so far is being in the state of mindlessness, breaking an armor that even the combined might of the Avengers and X-Men could not even scratch.

True, he didn't have a Kryptonian EDUCATION. Neither did Batman. Just because he wasn't educated on Krypton doesn't mean that he isn't GENETICALLY more intelligent than humans. His IQ is off the charts. I'll find where it states it somewhere, but for now I'm going to bed...

How could Batman get Kryptonian education? What a pointless comparison. Batman got earthly education. So did Superman. But Batman became a genius and made alot of vehicles for air, space, water and land travel while Superman cannot even design a motorcycle.

[Ahura Mazda]

I think Doomsday would beat the Hulk because....he is DC's version of the Hulk but if they ever met in a comic, Doomsday would lose because......Hulk is a popular hero and Doomsday is/was a plot device to take out Superman

[Toby_Temple]

I think Doomsday would beat the Hulk because....he is DC's version of the Hulk but if they ever met in a comic, Doomsday would lose because......Hulk is a popular hero and Doomsday is/was a plot device to take out Superman

I lean on the opposite way. With Hulk's regenerative healing powers and his vast resistance to injury, it is extremely hard to be knocked out cold or even be killed in a cataclismic battle with another extremely strong being. And with virtually limitless strength, only beings with perfect invulnerability can remain virtually unscathed.

[Shadow_Knight]

I think the Hulk would take down Superman God I hate Superman but as shamed that I am to say it Suuperman wouldn't go down so wasy though.

[torkibe]

I already did in my previous posts. Remember? Hulk could surpass Superman and Doomsday's strength with his escalating strength. You just answered it with the same old response:Superman is stronger than Hulk. Again, Hulk can easily surpass Superman's strength level, same with Doomsday.

And Hulk and Superman only fought twice so far in comics. Hulk also was not written to go all out. Hulk was not even the Savage Hulk when they fought in the DC/Marvel crossover.

And about Doomsday cannot be beaten the same way, that is false. Hulk's strength can just increase to the point that Doomsday has to evolve another level of protection for it. Remember, Hulk's strength upto now is shown to be limited by the amount of rage he can muster. The highest so far is being in the state of mindlessness, breaking an armor that even the combined might of the Avengers and X-Men could not even scratch.



How could Batman get Kryptonian education? What a pointless comparison. Batman got earthly education. So did Superman. But Batman became a genius and made alot of vehicles for air, space, water and land travel while Superman cannot even design a motorcycle.

Hulk has NOT shown that he can surpass the Strength of Superman or Doomsday. Yes, in THEORY he could, but as of yet he hasn't. To say he can do it EASILY is retarded. If it was so easy, then why does Emil own him all the time? So, for now THEY ARE STRONGER. But no Hulk fanboy is going to admit that, so I'm just gonna let that go. You ignored the speed factor entirely. He took out the entire Justice League in minutes. The first few in seconds. The Hulk can't do that...

Doomsday is constantly evolving to overcome whatever it is he cannot defeat, or that hurts him. Dying at the hands of Superman made him MUCH more powerful when he came back. Even with the added powers of a Motherbox Superman couldn't defeat him a second time. A bruiser like the Hulk just couldn't hurt him now. Even if the Hulk keeps getting stronger, Doomsday will adapt. He has shown the ability to actual develop NEW powers that he has never shown before, like when he developed an energy field to defeat the radiant. He would probably develop some sort of power that would disrupt the Hulk's gamma enduced strentgh increases. Even if he didn't, the Hulk can't get stronger if he's dead or unconcious.

As to my comparison of Batman and Superman's education, you missed the point. You said Superman couldn't be smarter than Batman because he didn't have a Kryptonian education. My point was, neither did Bats, so that's NOT the deciding factor. In any event, Superman has access to all the knowledge of Krypton anyway, so it's a moot point. Batman has had help from his Wayne-tech guys designing most of the things he uses, so don't give him ALL the credit. Superman created a device that could send all the people on Earth to the Phantom zone. But, I'm not saying that Bats is NOT a genius, I'm just saying SO is Superman. Byrne tried to "humanize" him a little more in the Man of Steel run, but prior to that he showed genius level intellect. Birthright has retconned most of that back in again.

[Firehawk]

My vote goes to Hulk

Superman would be beating his ass for like a hour or two doing little to no damage but superman doesn't know it.. As soon as superman thinks he has stopped the HULK you see the Hulk get up shake his head lets out a loud growl while Superman is standing there damn near out of breathe in complete shock. All hell breaks loose from there

[DACMAN]

Hulk has NOT shown that he can surpass the Strength of Superman or Doomsday. Yes, in THEORY he could, but as of yet he hasn't. To say he can do it EASILY is retarded. If it was so easy, then why does Emil own him all the time? So, for now THEY ARE STRONGER. But no Hulk fanboy is going to admit that, so I'm just gonna let that go. You ignored the speed factor entirely. He took out the entire Justice League in minutes. The first few in seconds. The Hulk can't do that...

Doomsday is constantly evolving to overcome whatever it is he cannot defeat, or that hurts him. Dying at the hands of Superman made him MUCH more powerful when he came back. Even with the added powers of a Motherbox Superman couldn't defeat him a second time. A bruiser like the Hulk just couldn't hurt him now. Even if the Hulk keeps getting stronger, Doomsday will adapt. He has shown the ability to actual develop NEW powers that he has never shown before, like when he developed an energy field to defeat the radiant. He would probably develop some sort of power that would disrupt the Hulk's gamma enduced strentgh increases. Even if he didn't, the Hulk can't get stronger if he's dead or unconcious.

As to my comparison of Batman and Superman's education, you missed the point. You said Superman couldn't be smarter than Batman because he didn't have a Kryptonian education. My point was, neither did Bats, so that's NOT the deciding factor. In any event, Superman has access to all the knowledge of Krypton anyway, so it's a moot point. Batman has had help from his Wayne-tech guys designing most of the things he uses, so don't give him ALL the credit. Superman created a device that could send all the people on Earth to the Phantom zone. But, I'm not saying that Bats is NOT a genius, I'm just saying SO is Superman. Byrne tried to "humanize" him a little more in the Man of Steel run, but prior to that he showed genius level intellect. Birthright has retconned most of that back in again.Doomsday can die, the HULK cannot. They both seem to get stronger as they fight. Doomsday has died before. And as far as being as fast as Superman, it never says that according to any guide. It only says he's fast, which the HULK has always been as well. According to the guide Doomsday only evolves AFTER he has died, which means whatever strenghts he has coming into the fight are the ones he'll have when he's killed from that fight. Not until he comes back would he evolve. Which I think should give the good Doctor plenty of time to come up with a way of killing him again.

Even if Doomsday gets the upper hand he can't kill HULK. The HULK is indestructable. Whatever body mass of his is left will regenerate into a madder HULK.

All this said I again agree that Doomsday would be a better fight than Supes. Supes strenght doesn't increase, the HULK's does.

And one last point. I want everyone to think of one of the HULK's signiture moves. His thunder clap. Which is so loud it has destroyed cities, shatter steel, and torn apart other dimensions. When he snapes his fingers other heroes fall to the ground in pain from the sound of just a finger snap. Now let's focus on Superman with his super-hearing. I've seen at least once when Supersonics caused the man of steel to bleed from his ears and nose, and others when just a high pitch noise caused him pain. The same supersonics shattered windows. That's it. The HULK's thunger clap not only shattered windows but cause a shock wave so strong it has destroyed cities ect..

I think you get my point...one thunder clap and Superman's head might explode, or he'd just be nockedout. Whatever the case I'm sure HULK's thunder clap would KO Superman.

[torkibe]

Doomsday can die, the HULK cannot. They both seem to get stronger as they fight. Doomsday has died before. And as far as being as fast as Superman, it never says that according to any guide. It only says he's fast, which the HULK has always been as well. According to the guide Doomsday only evolves AFTER he has died, which means whatever strenghts he has coming into the fight are the ones he'll have when he's killed from that fight. Not until he comes back would he evolve. Which I think should give the good Doctor plenty of time to come up with a way of killing him again.

Even if Doomsday gets the upper hand he can't kill HULK. The HULK is indestructable. Whatever body mass of his is left will regenerate into a madder HULK.

All this said I again agree that Doomsday would be a better fight than Supes. Supes strenght doesn't increase, the HULK's does.

And one last point. I want everyone to think of one of the HULK's signiture moves. His thunder clap. Which is so loud it has destroyed cities, shatter steel, and torn apart other dimensions. When he snapes his fingers other heroes fall to the ground in pain from the sound of just a finger snap. Now let's focus on Superman with his super-hearing. I've seen at least once when Supersonics caused the man of steel to bleed from his ears and nose, and others when just a high pitch noise caused him pain. The same supersonics shattered windows. That's it. The HULK's thunger clap not only shattered windows but cause a shock wave so strong it has destroyed cities ect..

I think you get my point...one thunder clap and Superman's head might explode, or he'd just be nockedout. Whatever the case I'm sure HULK's thunder clap would KO Superman.

Hulk's immortality has never been shown in continuity. Much like the no limit to his strength, it's all theory. But he has never had a battle as savage as it would be with Doomsday. Doomsday was designed for one thing and one thing only, to KILL. Like I said, I don't think the Hulk could even hurt him at this point, let alone kill him, so he wouldn't NEED to evolve. But if he did, he would come back and over come whatever it was that allowed the Hulk to beat him in the first place. We're not talking about Banner vs. Doomsday. In his current incarnation Hulk is not a genius and would not have those skills.

As to the thunderclap theory... Can you give me some examples of the way you say he has used it? I'm not doubting you, I've just never seen that as far as I can recall and I was just interested.

[DACMAN]

Pay close attention to the Wolverine one. We all know Supes has much better hearing than Logan. I'll find more shortly.

http://www.incrediblehulk.com/thunderclapfeats.html

[DACMAN]

"With a super Thunderclap the Hulk is able to deflect the Nightcrawlers sonics. Once deflected the sonics showed sufficient force as to destroy the entire otherdimensional cosmos. all citizens had to teleport to another dimension to survive." -IH 126

[DACMAN]

Hulk's immortality has never been shown in continuity. Much like the no limit to his strength, it's all theory. "HULK:The End" I think deminstrated it rather well.


". Hulk is fightng the Leader who is wielding his kenitictronic gloves. They deflect the all kenetic energy used against them back at their foe. Hulk eventuals grows strong enough to overcome the gloves (or his own power) (3 minutes)."-IH: 225

"Hulk is trying to Destroy a massive Deviant machine built to defeat the Celestials on thier next visit. Narration states:
"He just pulls all the more, straining with every iota of his strength to rip free this infernal object...becoming madder and madder, his strength BUILDING with his anger, as he tugs against a device built to withstand the power of gods (celestials)! But this is the power of the HULK! AND ULTIMATLEY, THERE IS NO FORCE STRONGER THAN THE HULK!"-IH: 242: I think this one is a good example.

Marvel the RPG game (1998): HULK potential strength is listed at limitless. Guys like Thor, Juggernaut are 19s. destroyer armor is 24, Drax starts at 20 but can go 25 at max (with powergem). Celestials and Galactus are listed at 30s. Hulk is the only character whos strength can potentially go beyond 30 (he starts at 19).-Game is in continuity

The HULK overcoming of the energy field that could move planets from thier orbits in TTA 79- I believe this to be one of the the best examples. When people who believe Superman is stronger than the HULK are backed into a corner they bring up the Pre-crisis Supes who moved a planet. I think this counters that pretty well. It's obvious that this issue shows that the HULK was able to overcome a force able to move planets out of their orbit (Hey! Like Pre-crisis Supes!). So I think it's fair to say if Superman's maximum level of strengh is that of Pre-crisis Supes is to move a planet (which we've not seen anything bigger TMK) than the HULK should have no problem over coming that.

[DACMAN]

That's checkmate I believe.

[DACMAN]

Seeing as how you've run out of steam when it comes to Supes VS HULK we could continue our Doomsday VS HULK debate. That's always been a much better match IMO.

"Doomsday's physical abilities perhaps even surpass Superman. Doomsday's strength has no known limits and is such that he can easily move and lift weights in excess of 200,000 tons."

"During the Secret Wars mini-series, for example, he was seen effectively holding up a 150 billion ton mountain, which was dropped on them by the Molecule Man, until the heroes buried inside could find a way to blast their way out."

Source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulk_%28comics%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_%28comics%29

They site their sources from comics on the bottom.

[GammaMike]

Excellent points Dac. You left off the thunderclap that KO'd Venom

[torkibe]

"HULK:The End" I think deminstrated it rather well.


". Hulk is fightng the Leader who is wielding his kenitictronic gloves. They deflect the all kenetic energy used against them back at their foe. Hulk eventuals grows strong enough to overcome the gloves (or his own power) (3 minutes)."-IH: 225

"Hulk is trying to Destroy a massive Deviant machine built to defeat the Celestials on thier next visit. Narration states:
"He just pulls all the more, straining with every iota of his strength to rip free this infernal object...becoming madder and madder, his strength BUILDING with his anger, as he tugs against a device built to withstand the power of gods (celestials)! But this is the power of the HULK! AND ULTIMATLEY, THERE IS NO FORCE STRONGER THAN THE HULK!"-IH: 242: I think this one is a good example.

Marvel the RPG game (1998): HULK potential strength is listed at limitless. Guys like Thor, Juggernaut are 19s. destroyer armor is 24, Drax starts at 20 but can go 25 at max (with powergem). Celestials and Galactus are listed at 30s. Hulk is the only character whos strength can potentially go beyond 30 (he starts at 19).-Game is in continuity

The HULK overcoming of the energy field that could move planets from thier orbits in TTA 79- I believe this to be one of the the best examples. When people who believe Superman is stronger than the HULK are backed into a corner they bring up the Pre-crisis Supes who moved a planet. I think this counters that pretty well. It's obvious that this issue shows that the HULK was able to overcome a force able to move planets out of their orbit (Hey! Like Pre-crisis Supes!). So I think it's fair to say if Superman's maximum level of strengh is that of Pre-crisis Supes is to move a planet (which we've not seen anything bigger TMK) than the HULK should have no problem over coming that.

The End isn't in continuity, so no, it doesn't demonstrate his immortality. That's why I said "In Continuity".

The Kinetic gloves don't prove anything. It just means they could only deflect so much energy.

Destroying a device built to withstand Celestials is impressive, Ill give you that.

Overcoming an energy field that moved a planet out of orbit is apples and oranges. That's the if person A beats person B and person B beats person C than person A must beat person C.

RPG means dick.

[torkibe]

Seeing as how you've run out of steam when it comes to Supes VS HULK we could continue our Doomsday VS HULK debate. That's always been a much better match IMO.

"Doomsday's physical abilities perhaps even surpass Superman. Doomsday's strength has no known limits and is such that he can easily move and lift weights in excess of 200,000 tons."

"During the Secret Wars mini-series, for example, he was seen effectively holding up a 150 billion ton mountain, which was dropped on them by the Molecule Man, until the heroes buried inside could find a way to blast their way out."

Source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulk_%28comics%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_%28comics%29

They site their sources from comics on the bottom.

150 billion ton mountain thing has been done to death. Every time it's brought up, it has to be pointed out he didn't LIFT 150 billion tons. He didn't even MOVE 150 billion tons. He BRACED it and kept it from collapsing on top of them. With help.

But I agree, at this point in time, Doomsday WOULD kick Supes ass.

[torkibe]

Pay close attention to the Wolverine one. We all know Supes has much better hearing than Logan. I'll find more shortly.

http://www.incrediblehulk.com/thunderclapfeats.html

Yes, he does. And he's also A LOT tougher than Wolverine. The rest of those feats wouldn't have phased someone of Superman's level. I don't want this to sound argumentitive, I just don't think they're of the calibur you mentioned. I had pictures of mass destruction and what not in my mind.

[Toby_Temple]

Hulk has NOT shown that he can surpass the Strength of Superman or Doomsday. Yes, in THEORY he could, but as of yet he hasn't. To say he can do it EASILY is retarded. If it was so easy, then why does Emil own him all the time? So, for now THEY ARE STRONGER. But no Hulk fanboy is going to admit that, so I'm just gonna let that go. You ignored the speed factor entirely. He took out the entire Justice League in minutes. The first few in seconds. The Hulk can't do that...

Wrong again.You said you collected Hulk comics. He surpassed alot of beings in par and even stronger than Supes. You're just denying it. Supes strength has its limit. Doomsday has to die to become stronger. In all Hulk comics, his strength is shown to increase everytime he gets angry.
Emil owning Hulk all the time? That's bull****. Hulk has defeated Emil several times. Don't tell me you don't know that. The only reason Doomsday took out the Justice League so fast was that those idiots did not expect the brute to survive their combined energy attacked. They were surprised. Thats the fact. Coz if Doomsday is indeed faster than Flash and as strong as Superman, Superman would not stand a chance. But you obviously failed to understand that fanboy.

Doomsday is constantly evolving to overcome whatever it is he cannot defeat, or that hurts him. Dying at the hands of Superman made him MUCH more powerful when he came back. Even with the added powers of a Motherbox Superman couldn't defeat him a second time. A bruiser like the Hulk just couldn't hurt him now. Even if the Hulk keeps getting stronger, Doomsday will adapt. He has shown the ability to actual develop NEW powers that he has never shown before, like when he developed an energy field to defeat the radiant. He would probably develop some sort of power that would disrupt the Hulk's gamma enduced strentgh increases. Even if he didn't, the Hulk can't get stronger if he's dead or unconcious.
Wrong again. Doomsday only evolves after he dies. That means that what killed him will not kill him again once he resurrects. Drain Hulks gamma induced strength increase? Where the hell did that came from. A speculation I suppose. Hulk's strength is not from radiation. His shear existence is due to that radiation. But his strength comes from his body's ability to generate a type of adrenalin whose amounts increases when he is experiecing anger. The more adrenalin is secreted, the stronger he becomes. That is why the madder he gets the stronger he becomes.

As to my comparison of Batman and Superman's education, you missed the point. You said Superman couldn't be smarter than Batman because he didn't have a Kryptonian education. My point was, neither did Bats, so that's NOT the deciding factor. In any event, Superman has access to all the knowledge of Krypton anyway, so it's a moot point. Batman has had help from his Wayne-tech guys designing most of the things he uses, so don't give him ALL the credit. Superman created a device that could send all the people on Earth to the Phantom zone. But, I'm not saying that Bats is NOT a genius, I'm just saying SO is Superman. Byrne tried to "humanize" him a little more in the Man of Steel run, but prior to that he showed genius level intellect. Birthright has retconned most of that back in again.
Wrong. Stop putting words in my mouth fanboy. You said that Clark is smarter than average humans coz he is kryptonian. Wrong. He might be kryptonian but he grew up as a human. He learned the human ways and just became an average joe with super powers. Bruce Wayne on the other hand became a genius in human standards. Thats why in all dc comics, Batman is shown as the shrewd tactician while Superman is not. He can't even be compared to the intellect of Lex Luther and you call Clark a genius. Now thats retarded.

[Toby_Temple]

150 billion ton mountain thing has been done to death. Every time it's brought up, it has to be pointed out he didn't LIFT 150 billion tons. He didn't even MOVE 150 billion tons. He BRACED it and kept it from collapsing on top of them. With help.

But I agree, at this point in time, Doomsday WOULD kick Supes ass.
Obviously, if anyone did read and understand the pictures, Hulk did not lift it. It was thrown towards the heroes and Hulk catched it. But instead of being crushed, he was able to prevent 150 billion tons of pressure with his strength. Get it? Its still a feat worth of someone like Hulk. His body immediately responded and secreted enough adrenalin to make Hulk strong enough to stop 150 billion tons of pressure. Thats from class 100 ton to class 150 billion tons. :eek:

[DACMAN]

Overcoming an energy field that moved a planet out of orbit is apples and oranges. That's the if person A beats person B and person B beats person C than person A must beat person C.


I brought that to your attention because people often fall back on the "Supes moved a planet" thing all the time. My point was that the HULK has strenght that rivals, and according to Marvel, can pass the Pre-crisis Supes. So the Post-crisis Supes wouldn't stand a chance strenght wise.

The End isn't in continuity, so no, it doesn't demonstrate his immortality. That's why I said "In Continuity".

Yeah I understand what you're saying. But the end is only a possible end as far as if the Marvel Universe goes down that path. It didn't constrew(SP?) or change anything about the HULK as a character it only took a different direction story wise. It COULD happen is the point. Things like "What if Spider-Man was never bitten buy a radioactive spider" is totally different. It is out of continuity. He was bitten. But "HULK: THE END" could happen. The character could live out what is going on in the story. He has the ability to carry out what he does in the story. You gettin me?


















We're such nerds ya know.

[MR.Fixit]

You guy are going back and forth and saying the same things.It doesnt seem like everybody will agree cuz they wont.The facts are there and u cant argue them.Though Super Man is more powerful then Hulk(meaning he has more powers)its impossible for him or anybody else to be stronger.Why?cuz his strength is unlimited.A fight always depends on the writer.If your gonna write that Supes wins then the fight is gonna have to last 3 pages,cuz he's gonna have to knock him out quick or else it last long and by then Hulk is too strong.I said Supes is more powerful,but what power does he have that could actually play a part in the fight?Super speed?ok he hits Hulk a thousand times in a second,and pisses him off even more.To tell u the truth I see both of them near death at the end of it all.But thats where Hulks advantages come into play against all comers:He just keeps on ticking.Every hero died in Hulk:the end.all except HUlk.

[torkibe]

You guy are going back and forth and saying the same things.It doesnt seem like everybody will agree cuz they wont.

Exactly. There will never be a clearly defined winner because they are arguably the 2 most popular characters in comic book history. Marvel would never let Superman beat the Hulk in a Marvel book because Hulk fans would go ape ****, and DC would never let the Hulk win in a DC book for the same reasons. We can argue until we're blue in the face but it's never gonna get settled.

[Toby_Temple]

Hahahaha. We both finally agree torkibe. Nice arguing with. Sorry for calling you a fanboy and for the other things I said that were "quite" aggressive. I did not mean them. I just want to see your reaction and flare up the debate. You did made alot of good points. *thumbs up*

[DACMAN]

You guy are going back and forth and saying the same things.It doesnt seem like everybody will agree cuz they wont.The facts are there and u cant argue them.Though Super Man is more powerful then Hulk(meaning he has more powers)its impossible for him or anybody else to be stronger.Why?cuz his strength is unlimited.A fight always depends on the writer.If your gonna write that Supes wins then the fight is gonna have to last 3 pages,cuz he's gonna have to knock him out quick or else it last long and by then Hulk is too strong.I said Supes is more powerful,but what power does he have that could actually play a part in the fight?Super speed?ok he hits Hulk a thousand times in a second,and pisses him off even more.To tell u the truth I see both of them near death at the end of it all.But thats where Hulks advantages come into play against all comers:He just keeps on ticking.Every hero died in Hulk:the end.all except HUlk.
You know what makes your post so funny? The fact you made a big speech about us saying the same things and that nobody will agree. Yet you still write a huge paragraph about how the HULK will win, while mostly repeating stuff that's already been said.

[DACMAN]

Exactly. There will never be a clearly defined winner because they are arguably the 2 most popular characters in comic book history. Marvel would never let Superman beat the Hulk in a Marvel book because Hulk fans would go ape ****, and DC would never let the Hulk win in a DC book for the same reasons. We can argue until we're blue in the face but it's never gonna get settled.
I thought I made a good case.

But it's just all in fun. Since day one when the world had two fictional characters, I'm sure two or more guys sat around and argued over whoe'd beat who.

[MR.Fixit]

It was meant to be funny.glad u caught on there scholar

[torkibe]

Hahahaha. We both finally agree torkibe. Nice arguing with. Sorry for calling you a fanboy and for the other things I said that were "quite" aggressive. I did not mean them. I just want to see your reaction and flare up the debate. You did made alot of good points. *thumbs up*

lol, yeah... Apology accepted and I apologize in kind. I pretty much said the things I said for the same reasons you did. You made some good points as well. Not as good as mine, but not bad ;)

[DACMAN]

It was meant to be funny.glad u caught on there scholar
Hey, just because you're not funny doesn't mean you have to get all pissy with me.

[Toby_Temple]

lol, yeah... Apology accepted and I apologize in kind. I pretty much said the things I said for the same reasons you did. You made some good points as well. Not as good as mine, but not bad ;)
:p Honestly, I do think Superman has the upperhand. There is this one comics where he did used his superspeed to dodge every punches this strong being made. I just don't rememder what it is. What I remembered aside from above is that Superman's costume was different, but looks better.

[rodhulk]

As argued over and over, Supes would mostly likely take it if there was an early victory, aside from that, the Hulk is favored. Supes tried using his speed in one fight against the Hulk and he hurt himself. Hulk just asked if that's all he's got.

Even pre-crisis Supes would not equal a really ticked Hulk in the strength dept. Pre-crisis Supes has never been said to be limitless, something said that is quite possible with the Hulk.

People argue falsely, Hulk can't get mad forever. Really? Where do the comics say that? Hulk is a little different than normal humans therefore there's no reason he can't get madder and madder forever.

[DACMAN]

Well, I guess this answers all our questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bj6McrVh4o&search=Hulk%20vs%20Superman

[DACMAN]

Aw right. JK

But tell me this isn't awsome! One guy did this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ2DqIL4_YA&search=Hulk%20vs%20Superman

[Toby_Temple]

As argued over and over, Supes would mostly likely take it if there was an early victory, aside from that, the Hulk is favored. Supes tried using his speed in one fight against the Hulk and he hurt himself. Hulk just asked if that's all he's got.

Even pre-crisis Supes would not equal a really ticked Hulk in the strength dept. Pre-crisis Supes has never been said to be limitless, something said that is quite possible with the Hulk.

People argue falsely, Hulk can't get mad forever. Really? Where do the comics say that? Hulk is a little different than normal humans therefore there's no reason he can't get madder and madder forever.

I do favor Hulk over Superman. And I agree that in an early fight, Hulk goes down.

[ddubbz08]

The Hulk.

Purple pants always beats red underwear.
i agree

[DACMAN]

Hulk has NOT shown that he can surpass the Strength of Superman or Doomsday. Yes, in THEORY he could, but as of yet he hasn't. To say he can do it EASILY is retarded. If it was so easy, then why does Emil own him all the time?

Doomsday is constantly evolving to overcome whatever it is he cannot defeat, or that hurts him. Dying at the hands of Superman made him MUCH more powerful when he came back. Even with the added powers of a Motherbox Superman couldn't defeat him a second time.
I used to buy into that "you can't beat Doomsday the same way twice" stuff until I read the new Superman Doomsday book. Doomsday is beaten down by Superman. He even breaks one of his boney extentions on Superman's chest. If what you say is true there is no way Superman could have beaten him again with his bare hands, yet he did.

And as far as Emil, there are two things about that. One is that Emil is as strong as Thor or Juggernaut so of course he gives the HULK a hard time. But every fight I've ever read ends with the HULK getting so mad as to passing the Abominations strenght level and then kicking his @s$ up and down the street.

[Toby_Temple]

I used to buy into that "you can't beat Doomsday the same way twice" stuff until I read the new Superman Doomsday book. Doomsday is beaten down by Superman. He even breaks one of his boney extentions on Superman's chest. If what you say is true there is no way Superman could have beaten him again with his bare hands, yet he did.

And as far as Emil, there are two things about that. One is that Emil is as strong as Thor or Juggernaut so of course he gives the HULK a hard time. But every fight I've ever read ends with the HULK getting so mad as to passing the Abominations strenght level and then kicking his @s$ up and down the street.

Comics are always inconsistent. That's why in any VS thread, I don't rely on them. In comics, you'll see Hulk thrashing the entire Avengers, then in another comics he is owned by a giant snake. Get what I mean.

As for Hulk vs Superman, if Superman is going to have a slugfest against Hulk, Superman would loose. But in an all out fight, Superman is smarter and has wider array of abilities aside from super strength and durability. An extremely mad Hulk would be suicide for Superman if he fights Hulk without using his brain. But if he fights shrewdly, Hulk will definitely loose.

[lokisixnine]

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[XSpidercideX]

If Goku can't beat Superman then there is no hope for Hulk.

[Symbiote Hulk]

I don't think Superman beat Goku (Who is Way OP)

The facts:
Hulk has healing factor Superman doesnt
Hulk is stronger then Superman
Hulk's thunder clap owns Superman (because of his sensitive hearing)

Early fight: Su perman beats Hulk
But in the end: Hulk owns Su perman

[DACMAN]

If Goku can't beat Superman then there is no hope for Hulk.
Goku is a pussy. No one beats the HULK. HULK is strongest one there is. HULK smash big hair.

[Mr. Green]

I think arguing about Goku fighting ANY Marvel or DC character is kind of rediculous. In the DBZ world people like Goku can destroy planets but not be able to hurt bad guys who probably aren't as hard to destroy as planets anyway. Nothing really makes any sense.

Hulk has done some pretty unbeleivable things himself, but never quite as rediculous as DBZ.

What really matters is Marvel > DBZ.

[Symbiote Hulk]

I think arguing about Goku fighting ANY Marvel or DC character is kind of rediculous. In the DBZ world people like Goku can destroy planets but not be able to hurt bad guys who probably aren't as hard to destroy as planets anyway. Nothing really makes any sense.

Hulk has done some pretty unbeleivable things himself, but never quite as rediculous as DBZ.

What really matters is Marvel > DBZ.

Indeed

Edit: Well unless it's Goku VS Galactus

[DACMAN]

I don't think Superman beat Goku (Who is Way OP)

The facts:
Hulk has healing factor Superman doesnt
Hulk is stronger then Superman
Hulk's thunder clap owns Superman (because of his sensitive hearing)

Early fight: Su perman beats Hulk
But in the end: Hulk owns Su perman
Good point about the thunder clap.;) I always use that as the big guns when talking to my buddies about Supes vs Jade Jaw. And I totally agree about the Supes taking HULK for the first round. He's faster and maybe stronger for a while. But as the fight goes on the fight will quickly turn to the HULK's favore.

Besides, I was thinking. Superman can leap tall buildings in a single bound. Because as we know his legs are extremely strong. And then we have the HULK who weights more than half a ton and can launch himself an easy 3-4 miles ( I have an issue that he jumps 1000 miles because he's pissed). Shouldn't that prove the HULK's greater strenght?

[torkibe]

Besides, I was thinking. Superman can leap tall buildings in a single bound. Because as we know his legs are extremely strong. And then we have the HULK who weights more than half a ton and can launch himself an easy 3-4 miles ( I have an issue that he jumps 1000 miles because he's pissed). Shouldn't that prove the HULK's greater strenght?

Please, please, PLEASE tell me that's a joke! Yes, Golden age Superman "Leapt tall buildings in a single bound" and was "faster than a speeding bullet". He has come a long way since then...

[DACMAN]

...and yet you've said nothing to refute my thought on the subject. Please, please, please tell me you actually have something of substance to say next time. Besides, as far as I know, the Golden age Superman is the strongerst of the Supes.

[Toby_Temple]

Nope . I believe that the Golden Age Superman can be killed by an artillery shell. The strongest regular Superman is the pre-crisis Superman. The most powerful version would be Superman Prime.

[DACMAN]

Nope . I believe that the Golden Age Superman can be killed by an artillery shell. Bah! Cape man is a girl. Hulk live through atomic bombs! Atomic bomb almost kill Cape man in Frank Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns".

[Toby_Temple]

Before, yes, Superman can be killed by a nuclear weapon. And so was Hulk. But both characters were given power upgrades that both can now survive nuclear explosions.

[Symbiote Hulk]

I'm thinking that if Hulk got a hold of Superman, Hulk would rip him in half (Just like Wolverine)

[DACMAN]

Before, yes, Superman can be killed by a nuclear weapon. And so was Hulk. But both characters were given power upgrades that both can now survive nuclear explosions.
HULK was never killed by a puny bomb! Superman is weak, then strong, weak, then strong. HULK is always strongest one there is.

[Toby_Temple]

Well, currently, Hulk is weaker than usual. Check it out in Planet Hulk.

[MR.Fixit]

only cuz he lost something getting there.its all coming back.

[Toby_Temple]

Right. And when he returns, he'll bust some caps!

[Venomfan]

hulk could never even touch superman, so its no contest

and if superman didnt care about killing hulk, id say hed probably be able to do it in about 1-2 hits

[najnaimik23]

whoooo, ive been looking for this thread for like 3 weeks lol. Man the last post was 8-11-06 dang. Anyways noones probably gonna answer my question since its been like 2 years but ill ask anyways. Doomsday versus world war hulk who would win??? cuz i think World war hulk is another version of hulk right?

[Toby_Temple]

world war hulk is the current version and is dubbed and shown as the the strongest.......

[mcentepede]

Superman has advantages over Hulk, but seeing Superman lose to Doomsday, Bizarro and the Flash in fights(and races) is pathetic, Hulk takes this one, simply because Supes is a boy scout, they are 1-1 in crossover battles. both can win given the right terrain, in the desert with bombs and some radioactive stuff (Kryptonite rocks) lying around HUlK is Boss.

[HULKSTER'04]

Hulk will win this

[Spider-Fan83]

the trick here for supes, would not be to just try to match the hulks Strength...

superman’s most powerful weapon against him would be his charm

he doesn't have to beat the_hulk, just try to clam him

And if anyone can charm and Soothe the Beast, it’d be superman

:hehe:

[Genesis 1.0]

Superman would crush Hulk before he knew what was going on.

[The Ace of Knaves]

Superman would fly Hulk into the sun if he wanted.

[Genesis 1.0]

Now that I don't buy, for a flight of that length even for Supes, Hulk is going to beat his face like a drum if he tries to carry Big Mean Green that far.

[The Ace of Knaves]

:funny: Yea I suppose.

But I mean after Superman knocked him out/incapacitated him or whatever. If Superman was feeling a little ruthless or perceived Hulk as an out and out villain/threat to the planet I think he would toss him into the sun.

[Majic Walrus]

Are we all done here?

[Genesis 1.0]

Yeah, I hope so, just let this thread sink back to the depths of Hype Hell.

[HULKSTER'04]

Well these folks http://www.electricferret.com/fights/bigboys.htm think Hulk will win and they have a solid argument to base it upon.

[Genesis 1.0]

Son of a....

Why didn't someone lock this thread? Or at least rig it with puppies stuffed with explosives?

[HULKSTER'04]

What's the matter can't shoot anymore Genesis?

[Genesis 1.0]

No it's just that Supes is ridunkulously faster than Hulk and is capable of pushing planet masses from space. Not holding up a f'n mountin, but altering orbit type power.

Hulk is outmatched.

[HULKSTER'04]

So you think his flight ability is a factor in an all out brawl with the Hulk? I'd say supes would be super strong if he pushed a planet that was falling to a nearby star(say about 300,000 miles distance from the surface) and he successfully pushed it out of orbit from the immense pull of a star. Otherwise he was just a show off, pushing a rock in vacuum doesn't count much since there is no gravity to counter the force that would challenge one's strength.

[Genesis 1.0]

Flight? No, I'm talking speed.

Wait....what?

Pushing the planet is nothing? By virtue of it being in orbit, it's already in the grip of a star, it's orbiting that star faster than the Hulk could ever dream of being by the way, and sheer mass alone even in vacuum is immense.

To discount that as showboating is.....

Well it's several words I can say in a PG-13 environment.

[Majic Walrus]

So you think his flight ability is a factor in an all out brawl with the Hulk? I'd say supes would be super strong if he pushed a planet that was falling to a nearby star(say about 300,000 miles distance from the surface) and he successfully pushed it out of orbit from the immense pull of a star. Otherwise he was just a show off, pushing a rock in vacuum doesn't count much since there is no gravity to counter the force that would challenge one's strength.

:doh:

So what exactly do you call the force that keeps the Earth revolving around the Sun?

[Genesis 1.0]

HA! Exactly what I was trying to explain.

[HULKSTER'04]

I think you can understand the difference when an object is 90 million kilometers away from the sun and when it is 13 million kilometers closer right? The gravitational pull is stronger when an object is closer to the sun therefore it will be heavier to push it away from the strong grip of the sun. I am certain that supes could do it though because he gets his power form the sun itself, so ok fine he's a solar panel for crying out loud. All I'm saying is that the Hulk could do the same.

But this is an all out brawl, so Hulk wins, give it up already!

[Genesis 1.0]

HUlk could do the same? Hulk could push a planet?

I'm nearly done with this idiocy.

[HULKSTER'04]

If Hulk had flight ability-I wasn't finished.

[Majic Walrus]

If Hulk had flight ability-I wasn't finished.

And if the Hulk could **** kryptonite he'd probably win.

[Johnny Blaze]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a330/HypsterJB/Hulk-3.jpg

IDK...judging from the stink lines, it doesn't seem like kryptonite to me.

[Genesis 1.0]

If Hulk had flight ability-I wasn't finished.

:dry:

Hulk isn't nearly that strong, even with flight.

[HULKSTER'04]

He can be potentially strong as his strength has no limit.

[Genesis 1.0]

Yeah and he'll gain that strength when the Sun burns out and then it's all moot.

[HULKSTER'04]

You think you're funny don't you?
Check out the incredible Hulk capability thread first before you draw conclusions.
Simple fact flight ability has nothing to do with strength, it has to do with how much power(i.e. energy of some sort since we have a very vague idea as to how Supes can fly) one can exert pushing/lifting a massive object. Strengthwise is when you push/lift something a million times your own weight with only your spine to support it.
If Supes pushed a planet it will be considered his flight ability feat. And yeah some strength may be use in doing so, but not totally relying on strength alone.

[HULKSTER'04]

Strength wise Hulk wins.

[PemLam]

Where's Morg when you need him?

Hulk vs. Thanos, Hulk vs. Superman, Hulk vs. Eternity, Hulk vs. *insert name here*...it doesn't seem to matter to some people; strength is OBVIOUSLY the overriding factor in any fight and trumps all other abilities. :whatever:

It's threads like this that got me to leave this site for a couple years. :wall:

Strangely, it's threads like this that brought me back too.

<---Masochist!

[HULKSTER'04]

yeah call the mod when you babies cry.

[PemLam]

It's not crying...it's requesting the closure of threads that have become useless. It's been shown time and again that the Hulk wouldn't win against certain people (Thanos, Superman, etc.) yet you continue to overlook rational thought and logic, instead choosing to go with this fanboy crush you have for the Hulk.

You can throw your hissy fits and prattle on until your blue (or green) in the face...it doesn't change the result; your guy doesn't cut the mustard with the other guy.

[Hound55]

In fairness though, this one is a hell of a lot closer than Thanos.

But then the Thanos one was just completely and utterly ridiculous.

Supes has been known to batter opponents/get battered early in fights because he takes it too easy on the other guy.

That's exactly what you don't want to do against Hulk... you want to finish Hulk early.

That said, I'd still say Superman would take it out, he's diverse, powerful, durable and Hulk is too mindless to realise how to best counter Supes with his strength.

[PemLam]

In fairness though, this one is a hell of a lot closer than Thanos.

But then the Thanos one was just completely and utterly ridiculous.

Supes has been known to batter opponents/get battered early in fights because he takes it too easy on the other guy.

That's exactly what you don't want to do against Hulk... you want to finish Hulk early.

That said, I'd still say Superman would take it out, he's diverse, powerful, durable and Hulk is too mindless to realise how to best counter Supes with his strength.

I agree whole-heartedly; the Thanos match-up is absolutely no contest.

This one, slightly more so...but only slightly. Once Superman get's knocked a couple hundred miles away by a shot from the Hulk, he'll realize he can't just stand there and duke it out. After that, it's over...speed, flight, power and intelligence are too much for the Hulk to overcome.

I realize this, you realize this...some people just refuse to accept it no matter what the logic.

[Genesis 1.0]

Dunno, Doomsday doesn't have flight and he waylaid Superman and nearly murdered him. Supes has also taken poundings from Grundy, Kalibak, and other ground based powerhouses.

[Hound55]

He's not getting beat Head to Head in a battle with Grundy or Kalibak though...

And Doomsday's a whole other kettle of fish from Hulk as well.

Hulk just gets pissed off and that makes him stronger.

Doomsday f***ing evolves into something that will hand you your arse...

[HULKSTER'04]

I don't remember Hulk being outwitted in a fight. Even if they did how are they gonna stop him? Let him walk into a pit with iron spikes at the bottom? Well that's smart!
Supes can charge all the nutrinos from the sun all he wants, but he'll realize that he'll only piss off the Hulk everytime he gets back from sun-bathing.

I invite all of you smart a$$ess to come and debate about Hulk vs...Thanos, Supes, Juggernaut, etc here www.herochat.com (http://www.herochat.com) because I swear your so called "logic" will be put to the test. So who among you pussies are strong enough????

[Majic Walrus]

Who would win Hulkster vs. Moderators? :awesome:

[Genesis 1.0]

Damn, that was low.








You are learning my young apprentice, the Dark Side is strong within you.

[DACMAN]

It's not crying...it's requesting the closure of threads that have become useless. It's been shown time and again that the Hulk wouldn't win against certain people (Thanos, Superman, etc.)
Yeah...the HULK has beaten Superman in the HULK/Superman one shot. He overpowered him like he was nothing and sent his butt all the way to saturn. And this was pre-crisis Superman. Listen and learn son.

[DACMAN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLjdjVhZPEk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN0o_7CqlwE

Yeah, that's checkmate.