Eddie Brock's Club House...

[venomadness]

Wolfey, can we just hug? :confused: I don't want you to be mad at me anymore, and this ignorance has gotten way off subject. Venom is the reason for the season!!!

Out of curiosity, has anyone's letter ever been published in 'Eddie Brock's Club House'???

[Spider-ManHero12]

Guys, Some People in the Venom Thread say that Venom was poorly developed and thats defenitley not true. He's the Greatest Villian Spidey has ever fought. I have read all The Comics and even though I didn't like the "Anti-Hero" Venom, his storues were still great and The Battles he had with Spidey were awesome and thats a Fact":sym:.

[Redwoods Wolf]

Venom is the reason for the season!!!

Word. :up:

I just bought Spider-Man: Birth of Venom, and I must say, it surprised me. It manages to take separate points from the long-running stream that is monthly comics and make them into a rather rounded narrative. I thought the focus would be all on the Sin-Eater, and then Brock. But no--the focus is on Peter here, and goes from a brief intro during Secret Wars to the glory days of the black costume, to the realization that it's alive, to the attempted re-bonding, and then on to Venom, finishing the tale with my personal favorite Venom/Spidey story, "Sand and the Fury." Good stuff, there--well thought out and put together. A must read.

[VENOMisHERE]

VENOM was never DEAD he LIVE"Sssssss HE"S only on vac right now OK.... this is his cell message hi youve reach'ed venom can't wait till we come back in spiderman 4 the return of venom so leave a message if you wan't if not then we will be watching bye he he he he he.....

[Grievous]

Guys, Some People in the Venom Thread say that Venom was poorly developed and thats defenitley not true. He's the Greatest Villian Spidey has ever fought. I have read all The Comics and even though I didn't like the "Anti-Hero" Venom, his storues were still great and The Battles he had with Spidey were awesome and thats a Fact":sym:.
yep Venom Rules!!!

[WolfCypher]

Word. :up:

I just bought Spider-Man: Birth of Venom, and I must say, it surprised me. It manages to take separate points from the long-running stream that is monthly comics and make them into a rather rounded narrative. I thought the focus would be all on the Sin-Eater, and then Brock. But no--the focus is on Peter here, and goes from a brief intro during Secret Wars to the glory days of the black costume, to the realization that it's alive, to the attempted re-bonding, and then on to Venom, finishing the tale with my personal favorite Venom/Spidey story, "Sand and the Fury." Good stuff, there--well thought out and put together. A must read.

Everyone says ASM 375 was the best Spidey/Venom tale, but like you, my favorite will always be The Sand & The Fury.

[Knightsaber Priss]

Everyone says ASM 375 was the best Spidey/Venom tale, but like you, my favorite will always be The Sand & The Fury.

Ah yes, the storyline that gave us this eyeful of this original Eddie Brock fashion ensemble:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Godzilla2000/EddiesFashionSense.jpg

I just bet all of you fellow Venom fans want to see Topher Grace wearing that in a sequel. ;)

[WolfCypher]

I've "aquired" the Venom issue of Spider-Man UK

The story unfolds with Eddie Brock (who is nararating) turning on the telley and finding Carnage locked in battle with Spider-Man on the news. Obviously the Venom/Carnage fued hasn't subsided as Brock morphs and immediately goes out to settle things with Carnage.

The fight with Venom and Carnage begins just as Carnage is seconds away from slicing open an unconscious Spidey. Venom and Carnage exchanges blows, with Carnage's attacks being the deadlier, and Venom is really being put though the ringer. And what good is a public superpowered fight without bystanders and/or law enforcers way over their heads getting involved? Venom decides to lure the fight away to save these people and try to regenerate his wounds.

Although Venom does draw Carnage away from the streets, Carnage does not give Venom a nimute to breath and drags the fight to a construction site/factory. Carnage exploits Venom's weakness to sound by setting off the evacuation alarm, with Venom barely managing to stop the sound. Realizing where they are, venom returns the favor by causing a fire (Carnage's weakness) and bring the entire area into flames. Venom, being the guy that he is, leaves the scene expecting Carnage to expire, but the sociopath has no intention of dying...alone. He lashes out a tendril and pulls Venom down into the flames with him. Both are now too tired to fight or escape...

...until Spidey arrives and rescues venom, referring to the situation as saving "the lesser of two evils" (also the title of this tale...). Webs returns to the inferno to save a poor bystander as Venom, seeing that Carnage is nowhere to be found, makes a poor call by assuming that means Carnage is dead! But, as we all should know...

[WolfCypher]

What I liked about this tale was the fact that even though this is a non continuity story that is NOT canon to the mainstream Spider-Man comics, the writers do a PERFECT job of keeping Venom and Carnage's powers, weakness, etc. in check, and that means something! In the mainstream comics, the writers always botch something up with Venom or Carnage, like giving Venom the power to morph his limbs into blades, which he cannot do, or turning Carnage into a vampire, but here, Venom and Carnage are "truer" to their 616 selves than their 616 selves are. I especially liked how they exploited venom's weakness to sonics, and addressed Carnage's resistance to sonics, while exploiting Carnage's weakness to fire and Venom's semi-resistance to fire. And as far as "Lethal Protector" Venom goes (that is, as far as Venom acting like a good guy) this story wasn't bad. They actually did a good job of having Venom not be the villain, but of course that's just because Carnage was around, and when Carnage, Venom, and Spider-Man are around, only one of those two symbiotes can be the focal villain.

[WolfCypher]

The Eddie Brock portrayed here was a cool looking Eddie. He didn't have the mullet nor the long-down-his-back Fabio hair, and since Cancer-Eddie doesn't exsist here in the UK series, he wasn't bald, either. And I may be alone on this, but I did actually like seeing Venom with Mac Gargan Venom's "eyes". All in all, an enjoyable enough read.

My ONLY gripe is all the damn games and ads! I know all Spider-Man UK magazines have an excessive amount of these, but never before have they been so close together! It was like I was reading, got to page 6, then pages 7-15 were ALL GAMES & ADS! 9-10 pages in a row!!!

[Redwoods Wolf]

^^Interesting. I like how the proportions of the three of them--it seems the most correct, to me--Venom isn't the Hulk, but Carnage isn't anorexic, either. They both look to be capable of dealing damage. :up: The only niggling bother is the eyes on Venom....they make me sigh. But nobody's perfect.

Everyone says ASM 375 was the best Spidey/Venom tale, but like you, my favorite will always be The Sand & The Fury.


375 is Venom going after Peter's parents, right? :down: No thanks.
"Sand and the Fury" is the one story that seems to deal with the rather conflicted nature of the symbiote/Peter/Eddie "relationship." It seems to be one of the few issues where Spider-Man actually, solidly defeats Venom. More and more after that, Spidey is content to let Venom get away and retreat to SF, which always bothered the hell out of me.
And it seemed to really highlight the rather two-faced nature of Venom himself--on the one hand, he seems to regard Aunt May is an innocent person and outside of their feud. But once Spidey goes to the FF for help, he's perfectly willing to include her as a potential victim if Spidey doesn't play by the rules. ("...or nasty things could happen to all sorts of people.") He isn't a pure anti-hero in "Sand and the Fury", as he seems to become later--more of a barely-restrained full-blown villain, which I like.

And I recommend the Diane Duane Spider-Man novels for those who haven't read them--The Venom Factor, The Lizard Sanction, and the Octopus Agenda. Good reads, and excellent characterization of all involved. Particularly Venom--he's a quiet menacing figure, and an excellent counterpoint to Spidey. :up:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Ah yes, the storyline that gave us this eyeful of this original Eddie Brock fashion ensemble:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Godzilla2000/EddiesFashionSense.jpg

I just bet all of you fellow Venom fans want to see Topher Grace wearing that in a sequel. ;) That was an awesome issue!. I love Eddies attitude there. he puts his arm around Aunt May and peter tries to pull Brocks hand away but Brock turns his hand into the Symbiotes hand and Peter can't pull the arm because of how strong it is. I will never forget that issue.

375 is Venom going after Peter's Parents, right? :down: No thanks.
"Sand and the Fury" is the one story that seems to deal with the rather conflicted nature of the symbiote/Peter/Eddie "relationship." It seems to be one of the few issues where Spider-Man actually, solidly defeats Venom. More and more after that, Spidey is content to let Venom get away and retreat to SF, which always bothered the hell out of me.
And it seemed to really highlight the rather two-faced nature of Venom himself--on the one hand, he seems to regard Aunt May is an innocent person and outside of their feud. But once Spidey goes to the FF for help, he's perfectly willing to include her as a potential victim if Spidey doesn't play by the rules. ("...or nasty things could happen to all sorts of people.") He isn't a pure anti-hero in "Sand and the Fury", as he seems to become later--more of a barely-restrained full-blown villain, which I like. yeah, issue #375 is when Venom kidnaps Peter's parents and thinks he's keeping them safe. I perfer "The Sand and The fury" because it was a better story. I mean over the years Eddie Brock/Venom was still great and his stories were awesome but after Macfarlane stoped drawing him in the "Amazing Spider-man" series, he when't over to a series called, "Spider-man". but anyway once Venom was drawn by Eric Larsen and Mark bagley, the "Anti-Hero" Venom came along which I didn't like. Venom looked fantastic and awesome, his stoties were great but he became a little less cold blooded over the years. but he is still without a doubt my favorite Villian and will remain the greaest Spidey Villian there ever was!:up::up::up:.

[WolfCypher]

http://ic3.deviantart.com/fs18/f/2007/127/1/e/Supaidaman___VENOM_by_CurlyHairedKaiju.jpg
http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs18/i/2007/135/3/1/She_Venom_by_ARTGK.jpg
http://ic1.deviantart.com/fs13/f/2007/115/d/9/For_Whom_the_Bell_Tolls_by_JoeAngelillo.jpg
http://ic1.deviantart.com/fs17/f/2007/122/4/4/We_Are_Venom_by_343GuiltySpark.jpg
http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs16/f/2007/123/4/b/Shattered_Innocence_by_Kihanna.jpg

With SM3 came and gone, I've noticed a hellovalot more Venom art on deviantart, a place I haven't been to in a good while.

I would have posted the images instead of their links, but 5 big images all together would have taken up too much space, so click on their links.

[Spade]

'Supaidaman Venom' and 'She-Venom' are interesting takes. The first is a pretty wild interpretation, but I oddly don't find myself at odds with it even though it has many non-Venom elements there. The second brings back to mind the interview that once mentioned that Venom was to be a female character at inception. 'For Whom the Bell Tolls' and 'Shattered Innocence' are on the average side, but 'We are Venom' is really good. I like the lifelike quality to the teeth and emblem indentation.

I should also mention that I picked up 'Birth of Venom' a week ago. It was a bit costly at the register in comparison to the days when I use to bargain with my local shop owner to get a book for a dollar, but it's so worth it. It really shows the original intention for the character and what made him so popular, while tactfully avoiding the post-McFarlane era. Good times.

[Silver Sable]

I've "aquired" the Venom issue of Spider-Man UK

The story unfolds with Eddie Brock (who is nararating) turning on the telley and finding Carnage locked in battle with Spider-Man on the news. Obviously the Venom/Carnage fued hasn't subsided as Brock morphs and immediately goes out to settle things with Carnage.

The fight with Venom and Carnage begins just as Carnage is seconds away from slicing open an unconscious Spidey. Venom and Carnage exchanges blows, with Carnage's attacks being the deadlier, and Venom is really being put though the ringer. And what good is a public superpowered fight without bystanders and/or law enforcers way over their heads getting involved? Venom decides to lure the fight away to save these people and try to regenerate his wounds.

Although Venom does draw Carnage away from the streets, Carnage does not give Venom a nimute to breath and drags the fight to a construction site/factory. Carnage exploits Venom's weakness to sound by setting off the evacuation alarm, with Venom barely managing to stop the sound. Realizing where they are, venom returns the favor by causing a fire (Carnage's weakness) and bring the entire area into flames. Venom, being the guy that he is, leaves the scene expecting Carnage to expire, but the sociopath has no intention of dying...alone. He lashes out a tendril and pulls Venom down into the flames with him. Both are now too tired to fight or escape...

...until Spidey arrives and rescues venom, referring to the situation as saving "the lesser of two evils" (also the title of this tale...). Webs returns to the inferno to save a poor bystander as Venom, seeing that Carnage is nowhere to be found, makes a poor call by assuming that means Carnage is dead! But, as we all should know...

will this issue be released in the U.S? It looks real good

[WolfCypher]

You'll have to find it online and/or order it from eBay or somewhere. It's a United Kingdom magazine. As far as I know, none of these issues have been released over here.

[Redwoods Wolf]

http://ic3.deviantart.com/fs18/f/2007/127/1/e/Supaidaman___VENOM_by_CurlyHairedKaiju.jpg
http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs18/i/2007/135/3/1/She_Venom_by_ARTGK.jpg
http://ic1.deviantart.com/fs13/f/2007/115/d/9/For_Whom_the_Bell_Tolls_by_JoeAngelillo.jpg
http://ic1.deviantart.com/fs17/f/2007/122/4/4/We_Are_Venom_by_343GuiltySpark.jpg
http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs16/f/2007/123/4/b/Shattered_Innocence_by_Kihanna.jpg

With SM3 came and gone, I've noticed a hellovalot more Venom art on deviantart, a place I haven't been to in a good while.

I would have posted the images instead of their links, but 5 big images all together would have taken up too much space, so click on their links.
Thanks for posting those--some good work in there. "Supaidaman Venom" is one I'm bizarrely drawn to--the ridges forming the spider is clever, and though at first blush it reminded me of Doomsday, it manages to retain a menacing and alien quality to it. :up:
"She-Venom" is something I'd like to see long-term if they ever get rid of Brock (again), but preferably with some sort of hair or tendrils or...something. Excellent illustration, if a bit vein-y.
"Shattered Innocence" has spectacularly little to do with the title. Nevertheless it gives Venom a streamlined look, similar to how Spidey was drawn, which is interesting.
"For Whom The Bell Tolls" colors him purple and the perspective does nothing for me. Spidey has an interesting texture to him, though, and the setting is good as well.
"We Are Venom" is tricky. The gold part of the color scheme is beautiful, but the purple comes out of nowhere and doesn't fit. The illustration itself is fantastic, the stretched-thin look of the symbiote quite appealing. The hands are very well done, as is the tongue and slobber. The teeth are too long for my taste, and they splay out too far, but they look like real fangs.
All in all, an interesting selection.

[Spider-ManHero12]

http://ic3.deviantart.com/fs18/f/2007/127/1/e/Supaidaman___VENOM_by_CurlyHairedKaiju.jpg
http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs18/i/2007/135/3/1/She_Venom_by_ARTGK.jpg
http://ic1.deviantart.com/fs13/f/2007/115/d/9/For_Whom_the_Bell_Tolls_by_JoeAngelillo.jpg
http://ic1.deviantart.com/fs17/f/2007/122/4/4/We_Are_Venom_by_343GuiltySpark.jpg
http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs16/f/2007/123/4/b/Shattered_Innocence_by_Kihanna.jpg

With SM3 came and gone, I've noticed a hellovalot more Venom art on deviantart, a place I haven't been to in a good while.

I would have posted the images instead of their links, but 5 big images all together would have taken up too much space, so click on their links. those are awesome!. anyway, so guys what Venom is your favorite? as I have said befor mine is Macfarlanes.

[venomadness]

The Eddie Brock portrayed here was a cool looking Eddie. He didn't have the mullet nor the long-down-his-back Fabio hair, and since Cancer-Eddie doesn't exsist here in the UK series, he wasn't bald, either. And I may be alone on this, but I did actually like seeing Venom with Mac Gargan Venom's "eyes". All in all, an enjoyable enough read.

My ONLY gripe is all the damn games and ads! I know all Spider-Man UK magazines have an excessive amount of these, but never before have they been so close together! It was like I was reading, got to page 6, then pages 7-15 were ALL GAMES & ADS! 9-10 pages in a row!!!


The main picture of Venom and Carnage...the eyes within the eyes of the suit...it throws me off a little.

[Shockdingo]

I've "aquired" the Venom issue of Spider-Man UK


Wow! This sounds like a great tale, I miss these two being in 616

[WolfCypher]

There are still people out there interested in Venom who are misinformed about the current situation of both Eddie Brock and his symbiotic better-half. The main problem is that people still believe that Eddie's dead. This actually reminded me of an issue in Venom: Lethal Protector, where Venom has been captured by the Life Foundation and kept captive in order for his seeds to be removed from his symbiote and joined with volunteer soldiers. But when Spider-Man arrives to "rescue" Venom, and the LF find that, with all of Venom's seeds removed, he is of no more use, they decide to forcefully separate the symbiote from Brock, causing Eddie so much pain, that afterwards it appears as if the painful separation has left Eddie Brock dead, and the reader believing so.

Now, it's been confirmed beyond all doubt that not only is Brock still alive, albeit barely, but he will indeed return to being Venom. The Sensational Spider-Man comics can back me up on Brock's "well-being", and the upcoming Venom mini-series can vouch for me on Venom's return. Even I was having some doubt of the original Venom's return, regardless of any Spider-Man movie (Harry Osborn was also in SM3 and I don't see him back from the grave or and Harry Osborn, Green Goblin trade papre backs), but those doubts were buried so deep, if you were to dig for them you'd find oil before you'd unearth them. Venom's coming back, and hopefully he's here to stay.

I'll refer to Lethal Protector again, mainly because I remember when I was a younger, even more biased Venom fan, how I had read Lethal Protector parts 1, 2, 3, and 4, but I couldn't find 5 or 6 for the life of me, and the ending of part 4 really left me anxious to find out what would happen to Eddie. Obviously, you can't kill off the central character of a six part story with 2 more issues to go, and obviously you can't kill Venom off simply like that! But I was still on pins and needles to see just what would happen next. I even foolishly wondered "Could Eddie Brock really be dead?" Thinking about it now, I can't believe how stupid I was for thinking that, even for a minute. Of course Eddie wasn't dead and of course Venom would return! I'm finding his "death" and "return" in Lethal Protector, and how I questioned these things, similar to Eddie's "death" and "return" to the mainstream comics, and the ill-informed fans questions as to whether or not Brock's dead and if his days as Venom are ended.

[Venomfan]

Venom really needs a power boost. at the moment hes one of spider-mans weakest villains, yet somehow hes able to beat everyone up. anyway right now spider-mans stronger then Venom, and probably faster etc. something needs to be done about that. Venom i think should be at least as strong as Rhino

[Mr. Socko]

How is Venom/Brock in Amazing Spider-Man?

I didn't really like him in Ultimate.

[CrimeMaster!]

The Real Venom Returns
Exclusive Interview & Preview: Eddie Brock slithers back into Peter Parker's life. Will he die trying to torment his enemy?
by Richard George (http://comics.ign.com/email.html)

If you're reading this article, we'll assume you're a Venom fan on some level. Some of you might only be fond of the character's visual flair, some might worship every issue featuring Eddie Brock - even Lethal Protector. We're pretty sure you went into Spider-Man 3 with high hopes, expecting to see your favorite anti-Spidey wreaking havoc upon New York. Sadly you only had 20 minutes to spend with Mr. Brock. We've heard from many fans on the topic of Sam Raimi's Venom, and there seems to be a large percentage of you that were dissatisfied with how this character was treated (honestly, we were fine with the screen time, but what do we know). You wanted more Venom, and you weren't satisfied with Mac Gargan in Thunderbolts nor Topher Grace's portrayal.

Thankfully Marvel Comics has your answer - for a couple months at least. Starting in June, Eddie Brock is returning to Spider-Man's world. Writer Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa is handling Venom's fate in the pages of Sensational Spider-Man. And wait until you read what our symbiotic fiend is up to. Also be sure to check out pages by artist Lee Weeks from Sensational #38. They can be found throughout the remainder of this article. IGN recently had a chance to sit down with Aguirre-Sacasa to chat about Spidey's life, but more importantly, Venom's.




IGN Comics: We thought we might start off with a few "generic" Spidey questions before moving into what's coming up in Sensational. A few weeks ago I checked in with the Marvel editors on these topics, so I'm curious what your take on some of these issues will be. What's your first memory of Spider-Man? What were the first issues that hooked you on the character?

Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa: My first memory of Spider-Man was probably not the comic book… It was probably the cartoon show, Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends… maybe the older cartoon. I also definitely remember playing with the Mego Spider-Man action figures. I also definitely remember… well, I have pictures anyway, that I had these Spider-Man pajamas that I would wear all the time - not just at night, but during the day as well.


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[CrimeMaster!]

So those are my first memories of him. I definitely remember that when I was a kid I would read Spider-Man comics. I didn't read religiously. It was whatever was kind of attracted me on the cover. I remember reading Todd McFarlane's run with David Michelinie on Amazing Spider-Man. I did read that religiously. I would also read Web in the late '80s. Beyond that I'd pick up individual issues based on who the villain was.

IGN Comics: Spider-Man's marriage to Mary Jane. Do you think it's a good or bad element? Does it matter in terms of Spidey's appeal to younger fans?

Aguirre-Sacasa: My answer to that is that I'm a big fan of Mary Jane Watson, so I think that I take a more sympathetic view to the marriage than a lot of people do. As far as kids not being able to identify with Peter Parker, I do feel that as a core character Spider-Man started out as one thing, a 16-year-old kid, and more than any other iconic character, has changed. What I mean by that is that Bruce Wayne is still living in Wayne Manor with Alfred, whereas Peter Parker is at least ten years older. He's married. To me there are other core elements - his decency, his optimism, his refusal to surrender in the face of adversity - that are as important as him being Midtown High's professional wallflower. I think that's what draws people as much as whether or not he's married. So I don't think there's a big disconnect happening, but I know that's just me and I know other people think different things.

IGN Comics: When you heard about the unmasking and the plans for Aunt May, with the shooting, and then the potential for Aunt May or Mary Jane being removed from Peter's regular life, were you concerned about these fairly radical changes to the character? Were you convinced pretty quickly or did you think it was craziness?

Aguirre-Sacasa: I came board Sensational right before all these radical changes started. First there was the costume change with "Iron Spider" and then all these further complications in his life. I have to say I didn't think there would be much room for me to express resistance to these ideas since they were company-wide. The thing is, all of this has made it a very interesting time to be working on Spider-Man. So I kind of got on board for the ride and hung on.

Truthfully, with some very minor exceptions, I pretty much told the kinds of stories I wanted to tell. It's not like I've had to radically rethink them. In fact the unmasking has led to some of the best stories in me in my run. So generally speaking, although it has been kind of crazy, I feel like I've been very lucky to be working on Spider-Man at such an exciting time.


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IGN Comics: You just mentioned a sense of optimism being a core element of the character. Do you feel Peter has become too dark as a result of all these changes?

Aguirre-Sacasa: No… I think… well, you know how they say that sometimes very bad things happen to very good people? I think Peter has, over the last 40 years, has learned how to bounce back. Tragedy is not rare for this character. I think he's always bounced back. Now, that said, he seems to be in an extreme place right now. I wouldn't be surprised if he was pushed to extremes we haven't seen before. But I believe in Peter Parker. I believe in his optimism. I believe that whatever the world throws at him that he will somehow pull himself through it intact. At least I hope so…

IGN Comics: Obviously we can't go into spoiler territory, otherwise Jim McCann will kill me, but how would you characterize Spider-Man's future? Darker? Dark now with a light at the end of a tunnel?

Aguirre-Sacasa: I feel like… I wouldn't be able to characterize the future in such dark terms. I feel like it has been a pretty relentless couple of years for Peter. I think that's going to loosen a bit, but I think it's going to allow for some lighter and darker elements to come into play. But I hope that his time through the ringer is winding down.

IGN Comics: One last generic question - your favorite villain?

Aguirre-Sacasa: I think my favorite villain, for sentimental reasons, would be the Lizard.

IGN Comics: That's a bit of an unusual choice… why that character?

Aguirre-Sacasa: I think people always remember the early Spider-Man stuff they read in the comics. Like I said, I remember vividly being a kid and reading through some of Todd McFarlane's Lizard storylines. I also liked the Lizard because he looked slightly monstrous and horrific. I've always been drawn to horror and things like that. He's also seemed more tragic than some of the other villains.

[CrimeMaster!]

IGN Comics: Let's move on to the Venom arc, "The Last Temptation of Eddie Brock." Why don't you run through the basic details of the arc for us?

Aguirre-Sacasa: First off, I have to credit my editor, Warren Simons, who really took a look at the Spidey landscape and said, "You know, we haven't heard much about Eddie Brock since he gave up his symbiote to the Scorpion. We don't know what he's doing or what he feels about the unmasking." So props to Warren. I was going to tell a very different story in this slot actually.

So basically the context is that Aunt May is in a coma in a hospital, fighting for her life. The last time we saw Eddie Brock was in an issue of Amazing where we saw him in a hospital bed, weakened from cancer. He watched Peter unmask in front of the whole world. So I thought, "Well what if Eddie Brock and Aunt May were in the same hospital? What if Eddie Brock discovered that Aunt May, one of the greatest figures in his enemy's life, was maybe two doors down and helpless? What would Eddie do about that?" And it kind of started from there.


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So I started to think about what happens when a person knows they're going to die, or thinks they are about to die, anyway. Does that bring out extremes in their personality? What does that concept do in other words? I've also always wanted to write a gothic horror story set in a creepy hospital, those creepy horror films like Visiting Hours or whatever. So I really wanted to tell a story about a killer stalking a victim in a hospital and really creep that out. So that's the tenor of this spookier arc.

IGN Comics: This plot point was written before you came on board of course, but why do you think Eddie was willing to give up the suit in the first place? Wasn't it an integral part of him? Will you address how he survived that separation?

Aguirre-Sacasa: Well, I think he hasn't survived that well actually, without the symbiotic half. In fact he's been psychologically damaged in ways that we're only beginning to understand.

IGN Comics: We haven't seen him in quite some time aside from that brief appearance in Amazing. How would you characterize him physically and emotionally? Is he the same person people remember?

Aguirre-Sacasa: He's fighting to be the same person he was before - meaning he wants to be able to value innocents like Aunt May. I do think he's in the worst shape that we've ever seen him. He's hobbling around like an old man at the start of the arc. He's plagued with horrific, murderous thoughts in a way he wasn't before, I don't think. He's in rough shape.

IGN Comics: Start of the arc? What might be his condition towards the end of it? Can you elaborate on that at all?

Aguirre-Sacasa: Hmmm… I feel like maybe that's a no comment…

IGN Comics: But the cancer is still around then?

Aguirre-Sacasa: Absolutely. He's in the terminal ward of the hospital.

IGN Comics: How has his perception of the world and Peter changed? Is he really angry with Peter?

Aguirre-Sacasa: Oh yeah, incredibly. Incredibly. In a twisted way, he blames everything that's gone wrong in his life on Peter.

IGN Comics: With everything in Peter's life being what it is, will he even care about Eddie's current situation? Does Aunt May's tragic situation affect his feelings in any way, perhaps making him more sympathetic?

Unfortunately, because of the circumstances where they come together in the issue, there really isn't an opportunity for Peter to investigate his feelings towards Eddie.

IGN Comics: What does Eddie think of Tony Stark's new world order? What does he think of the Thunderbolts?

Aguirre-Sacasa: I will say that Eddie is so focused, his world view is so shuttered right now, as he's in the hospital and about to die, that I don't think he's thinking much about registration.

IGN Comics: Will Mac Gargan, the Scorpion, factor into this situation at all?

Aguirre-Sacasa: Ummm… I'm not going to comment on that one.

IGN Comics: The Million Dollar Question: Will Eddie Brock become Venom or some derivation of Venom? We've seen a cover of him as Venom. Should people take that image literally?

Aguirre-Sacasa: I would say that no matter who is wearing the suit, Eddie will always be Venom. Do you know what I mean? I really believe that.


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IGN Comics: Will we see a confrontation between Peter/Spider-Man and/or Eddie/Venom?

Aguirre-Sacasa: Yes.

IGN Comics: Where does Mary Jane fit into this storyline? She's often been at Aunt May's bedside while Peter is seeking revenge.

Aguirre-Sacasa: One of the other things that's happening in this issue is that a bunch of people are trying to reach Aunt May's consciousness. Mary Jane is a part of that séance.

IGN Comics: Will this arc redefine Eddie's current situation or status within the Marvel Universe? Will we see him entering a new chapter of sorts?

Aguirre-Sacasa: That's a very good question… I don't know that it's necessarily going to redefine how he is. More than doing that, it sort of fills in a blank on what he's been thinking and what he's been doing. He himself has redefined his role in the Marvel Universe. I do think that after every story a character is changed to some degree though.

IGN Comics: With Venom returning (at least in some fashion), the character that fans almost instantly associate with him is Carnage. Do you know of any plans for Carnage?

Aguirre-Sacasa: Umm, not in Sensational. There are no plans for him in Sensational.

IGN Comics: You mentioned that this arc wasn't what you were thinking of writing at first. What story were you going to do originally?

Aguirre-Sacasa: I wanted to do a story that examined Aunt May's unconscious state while she was in a coma. What was going through her mind? We touch upon that a little in these issues. But I kind of wanted to explore that. But Warren was kind of like, "You know, do you really want to build an arc around someone who's in a coma?" And I think you can get away with it for a little bit, but two entire issues would be stretching it. Warren was right. Let's just say that.

IGN Comics: So what's coming after the Venom arc?

Aguirre-Sacasa: I will say that immediately afterwards is an issue called "The Book of Peter." I would describe it as… Peter Parker… meets God.

IGN Comics: Interesting. Can you say anything more about the issue?

Aguirre-Sacasa: Oooh, I really can't.

IGN Comics: Fair enough. Thanks very much, Roberto!

Aguirre-Sacasa: My pleasure!

[Redwoods Wolf]

Aguirre-Sacasa: I would say that no matter who is wearing the suit, Eddie will always be Venom. Do you know what I mean? I really believe that.
F**k yeah. Finally. A writer who understands. Now I AM excited.

[WolfCypher]

I'm really interested in what I see on page 3. Pages 2 and 3 shows flashback scenes from Eddie getting fired to Eddie finding the symbiote to Spider-Man beating Venom from "the Sand & the Fury", but then in the next panel it shows Eddie at (I'm assuming) a doctor's office, probably hearing for the 1st time that he has cancer.

Is this being retconned? Not the fact that Eddie has cancer, but that at 1st, Eddie apparently had cancer long before becoming Venom, before the hatred for Spidey, even before getting fired, and that panel leads me to believe that Eddie developed cancer during his career as Venom and not before, and that he found out about his cancer right before auctioning the symbiote opposed to having it years ago. That changes a lot.

I've never been a fan of how Marvel all of a sudden decided that the symbiote can alter the shape, size, weight & height of its host. Originally, if the symbiote's host's measurements were 6 feet tall and 200 lb by himself, then the host's measurements would still be 6 feet tall and 200 lb with the symbiote. Now, the symbiote can turn a 6' 2 something Mac Gargan into a 10 ft tall hulking beast. But if Eddie gets the alien back in his condition, I'm actually hoping the symbiote adds some weight & height to him.

(It's actually funny. Topher Grace is criticized for his portrayal as Eddie Brock because he's not as big as the comic book Eddie Brock, and now Eddie has become just as thin and small as Topher...)

[Redwoods Wolf]

Double post.
But I must say, I'm loving the art. FINALLY....a good Venom story with Eddie Brock with good art. It has been much too long.

[WolfCypher]

Double post.
But I must say, I'm loving the art. FINALLY....a good Venom story with Eddie Brock with good art. It has been much too long.

(Voice of South Park's Kyle's mom) What What WHAT?! You didn't like Spider-Man Family's issue 2 Venom story "Undone"? It was really good, that story.

[Shockdingo]

This is looking great. I really trust this writer becasue it seems like he's got a good understanding of the character and isn't going to pull stuff out of his rear to make shock value; he has a plan and structure prepared. Well fellow Venomites, we may be in for a great treat!

[Redwoods Wolf]

(Voice of South Park's Kyle's mom) What What WHAT?! You didn't like Spider-Man Family's issue 2 Venom story "Undone"? It was really good, that story.

Oops. I never read that one, sorry.
Yeah, Sacasa's the man. He makes contemporary comics feel classic, somehow.

[Venomfan]

Venom really needs a power boost. at the moment hes one of spider-mans weakest villains, yet somehow hes able to beat everyone up. anyway right now spider-mans stronger then Venom, and probably faster etc. something needs to be done about that. Venom i think should be at least as strong as Rhino
i cant believe im quoting myself, but i really wanna know what other peoples thoughts on this might be

[Redwoods Wolf]

Venom needs to be less invincible. Return his strength to his former levels, but erase the invisibility/camoflage. It's too gimicky and doesn't fit the character well.

[Venomfan]

less powerful????? last time i checked Spider-man can now lift 20 tons, and Venom can lift 11....

[Shockdingo]

I Actually don't mind the lessened strength; I'd actually like to see him compensate for this by using the symbiote in more clever ways while using new strategies. It could really add to him.

[Spider-ManHero12]

judging by that IGN interview, Venom is going to rock in his return!!!. I have been waiting for Eddie Brock to return as Venom. I don't really read the current Comics because IMO they aren't as good as they were in the 1960's, 1970's, 1980's, and 1990's and I'm a huge fan of the Comics from the 1960's, 1970's, 1980's, and 1990's (although I really didn't like the Clone saga). Venom's last great story was 10 years ago. I have read all the issues with Venom in them from the 1980's and 1990's (I read all of the symbiote issues). what I loved about Venom back in the 1980's, 1990's is that he not only had great stories but he was full of hate and revenge for Spidey which I think is what makes Venom the most unique and the greatest Spidey Villian there ever was. so I think since Eddie Brock is returning as Venom, the Venom story will be good.

[WolfCypher]

less powerful????? last time i checked Spider-man can now lift 20 tons, and Venom can lift 11....

Maybe the symbiote will transfer some of Gargan's strength to Brock. Gargan as Venom can lift 45 tons; that's 30 more tons than he could lift as the Scorpion alone.

[Go Web Go!]

Which one? The jackass who posted that in the 1st place or the jackasses who keep finding that damn post and reposting/quoting it for all to find?

Seriously, why can't people just post stuff of some significant meaning?! These one sentence post that don't go anywhere really piss me off!

Anyway, I think that we should be able to talk about movie Venom ONLY when comparing him to Brock venom. I mean, we talk about Gargan Venom in here, sometimes, right?

Waaaah!

I'm sorry that I "pissed" you off. I didn't mean to anger you. I hope you forgive me for quoting something that I read. They should just disable the quote button. That would help ease some of the stress of reading things you don't want to read because you already read it, although some people haven't. You're so right. And I'm an idiot.

Deal with it. If you don't like it. Ignore it. Quit *****ing. Damn.

[Silver Sable]

I have a question.In the comics and cartoon, you know the whole thing when Brock stalks and terrifies Peter since he knows all about him due to the Venom symbiote.Well what if Peter was a woman? Would Brock do the same thing or differently towards a female?

[Redwoods Wolf]

^^That's an interesting point. I'm sure he would go for a slightly lesser amount of cruelty, but only slightly. This is still the person who destroyed his life.

He wasn't all that sparing with Black Cat, remember, and he had no compunction about scaring the socks off MJ.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Godzilla2000/BCFaceCrunch.jpg

[Venomfan]

thats how you like it dont you black cat. yes your a dirty girl, you like it rough

[Redwoods Wolf]

You know what? Venom needs to start killing secondary characters. This, in turn, solves the bloated cast that Spider-Man has, and makes the V-man have teeth again.

[Shockdingo]

Heck no way. Pete's got a low cast count these days. I mean eversince he moved into avengers tower etc his secondary cast has been scarce, it's slowly recovering (I think) but it's still waaaaaaaaaay to early for Venom to just cull the herd.

[Redwoods Wolf]

Well, he could kill Scorpion to start with. Work his way back as Pete starts to meet more people...:)

[Redwoods Wolf]

Woo-hoo! Scanners make the world go round!
http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/8/5/25/redwoods_wolf/f_venomm_d51a5d9.png

[Redwoods Wolf]

Edit.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I have a question.In the comics and cartoon, you know the whole thing when Brock stalks and terrifies Peter since he knows all about him due to the Venom symbiote.Well what if Peter was a woman? Would Brock do the same thing or differently towards a female? I think Venom would probably go a little easier if peter was a woman. but like in the picture Redwoods Wolf posted, Venom really does seem like he would hurt a girl if she had great strength and was attacking him. but if she was just a regular girl then Venom wouldn't hurt someone so innocent that doesn't stand in his way.

[Knightsaber Priss]

(It's actually funny. Topher Grace is criticized for his portrayal as Eddie Brock because he's not as big as the comic book Eddie Brock, and now Eddie has become just as thin and small as Topher...)

I may be in the minorioty here, but i actually like Topher Grace as Eddie Brock. I think it would be in character and make more sense for Eddie to develop a love of working out after getting the symbiote just to give them both more of an edge against their enemy. Plus, in a real world sense, Topher would have much more time to bulk up for the role.

[Wolvenom2099]

Hey guys I was just wondering if eddie brock will be venom from here on out or is it just for a limited time? I also wanted to ask about the new comic comming out in august with red sonja, spider-man and venom in it, does anyone know what its about. Thanks

[Venomfan]

i dunno but heres the cover
http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/f/f5/Red_Sonja_%26_Spider-Man_by_Michael_Turner.jpg
http://www.marveldatabase.com/Image:Red_Sonja_%26_Spider-Man_by_Michael_Turner.jpg

[Redwoods Wolf]

That's a sweet cover.
But is that MJ as Red Sonja?

[Scar Predator]

I may be in the minorioty here, but i actually like Topher Grace as Eddie Brock. I think it would be in character and make more sense for Eddie to develop a love of working out after getting the symbiote just to give them both more of an edge against their enemy. Plus, in a real world sense, Topher would have much more time to bulk up for the role.

I don't think you are in the minority on these boards at least. Topher has plenty of support here.
As for Topher "bulking up" to be in SM4, ( which might drive me to skip the film ) don't get your hopes up. He simply doesn't have the body type to put on serious muscle. I've seen countless interviews where he talked about working out for SM3 and yet was still a twig. Even with 2-3 years of intense work, I doubt he'll even be as big as Franco was in SM3.

[FatA$$]

i dunno but heres the cover
http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/f/f5/Red_Sonja_%26_Spider-Man_by_Michael_Turner.jpg
http://www.marveldatabase.com/Image:Red_Sonja_%26_Spider-Man_by_Michael_Turner.jpg


that is awesome

[Spider-ManHero12]

I may be in the minorioty here, but i actually like Topher Grace as Eddie Brock. I think it would be in character and make more sense for Eddie to develop a love of working out after getting the symbiote just to give them both more of an edge against their enemy. Plus, in a real world sense, Topher would have much more time to bulk up for the role. I love Topher Grace's portrayal as Eddie Brock as well. It was so perfect and his size doesn't really matter in the film. As long as there is a good storyline for Eddie/Venom and the great qualities from the Comics brought onto film.

[venomadness]

Topher talk is forbidden in here, what is so hard to understand about that? You are poisoning a great thread about the true Venom!!!

[Spider-ManHero12]

last night I about Amazing Spider-man issue#316 and Amazing Spider-man issue #333. two great issues. and I'm sorry Venommadness for talking about Topher in this thread.

[WolfCypher]

I just "aquired" scans from the SM3 Movie Venom book. I just had to see these to see how in the hell can you make a childrens' book on Venom. What's next? Pin the tail on Sabretooth? Tickle-Me-Hitler?

[BareKnucklez]

I just "aquired" scans from the SM3 Movie Venom book. I just had to see these to see how in the hell can you make a childrens' book on Venom. What's next? Pin the tail on Sabretooth? Tickle-Me-Hitler?


Tickle-Me-Hitler... heh :yay:

[Grievous]

i dunno but heres the cover
http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/f/f5/Red_Sonja_%26_Spider-Man_by_Michael_Turner.jpg
http://www.marveldatabase.com/Image:Red_Sonja_%26_Spider-Man_by_Michael_Turner.jpg
nice cover.

[Arkady Rossovich]

I wonder why so many people are upset with how Venom was portrayed in the film.Appearence wise,Venom looked great..but i can understand the unhappyness with Eddie Brock`s portrayal.It was like Ultimate Spider-Man...

[Venom_uk]

God, I wish I was a mod!

[Scar Predator]

Topher talk is forbidden in here, what is so hard to understand about that? You are poisoning a great thread about the true Venom!!!

LOL!! Preach it!!

[Venomfan]

God, I wish I was a mod!
how do you become a mod? you've been here longer then half of them

[Redwoods Wolf]

OK, I'm going to do a little analysis here, so....get something to drink.

I think Venom is good the way he is not because he's the "dark Peter" or what have you, but the dark Everyman.

Eddie Brock isn't all that similar to Peter Parker, for starters--he worked at a newspaper, sure, but in all other respects was markedly different:
-Grew up with parents
-Divorcee
-Religiously oriented
-Reporter, not photographer
And the "concerned about innocents" characteristic was a backburner priority until the Larsen era. He was perfectly willing to maim or kill people to get to Spidey, or even just for seeing him, whether they were "evil" or not. He has Spider-Man's powers, true, but that's the only thing that really typifies him as a "dark Spider-Man."

Venom is the man on the street, if you will, that is a consequence of Spider-Man's actions (or inactions). Whether it's reasonable or not (and it's not), his motivations do have at least a partial cause in Spider-Man's actions in exposing the sin-eater and rejecting the symbiote. Venom is a good villain because he is the constant reminder of Spider-Man's failings. He is the one in the sidelines that Spder-Man will push himself to protect almost beyond reason--but nevertheless, gets caught in the crossfire. Venom is a good villain because he forces the hero to face his own screw-ups and wonder if he can do the right thing, let alone should.

True, Venom has been slapped across the face thanks to poor handling, but at the core, he is a solid villain worthy of the top spot. With some minor revision he could be taken much more seriously than he currently is.

[WolfCypher]

OK, I'm going to do a little analysis here, so....get something to drink.

I think Venom is good the way he is not because he's the "dark Peter" or what have you, but the dark Everyman.

Eddie Brock isn't all that similar to Peter Parker, for starters--he worked at a newspaper, sure, but in all other respects was markedly different:
-Grew up with parents
-Divorcee
-Religiously oriented
-Reporter, not photographer
And the "concerned about innocents" characteristic was a backburner priority until the Larsen era. He was perfectly willing to maim or kill people to get to Spidey, or even just for seeing him, whether they were "evil" or not. He has Spider-Man's powers, true, but that's the only thing that really typifies him as a "dark Spider-Man."

Venom is the man on the street, if you will, that is a consequence of Spider-Man's actions (or inactions). Whether it's reasonable or not (and it's not), his motivations do have at least a partial cause in Spider-Man's actions in exposing the sin-eater and rejecting the symbiote. Venom is a good villain because he is the constant reminder of Spider-Man's failings. He is the one in the sidelines that Spder-Man will push himself to protect almost beyond reason--but nevertheless, gets caught in the crossfire. Venom is a good villain because he forces the hero to face his own screw-ups and wonder if he can do the right thing, let alone should.

True, Venom has been slapped across the face thanks to poor handling, but at the core, he is a solid villain worthy of the top spot. With some minor revision he could be taken much more seriously than he currently is.

With the exception of us Venom fans, this well written post of yours will likely fall on deaf ears. Venom-haters will always find a reason to dislike Venom, even though there are many reasons he is a cool villain that can and has been used wisely and has been involved in well written stories .Luckily, the Venom fans outweight the Venom haters.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Originally Posted by Redwoods Wolf http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=11811543#post11811543)
OK, I'm going to do a little analysis here, so....get something to drink.

I think Venom is good the way he is not because he's the "dark Peter" or what have you, but the dark Everyman.

Eddie Brock isn't all that similar to Peter Parker, for starters--he worked at a newspaper, sure, but in all other respects was markedly different:
-Grew up with parents
-Divorcee
-Religiously oriented
-Reporter, not photographer
And the "concerned about innocents" characteristic was a backburner priority until the Larsen era. He was perfectly willing to maim or kill people to get to Spidey, or even just for seeing him, whether they were "evil" or not. He has Spider-Man's powers, true, but that's the only thing that really typifies him as a "dark Spider-Man."

Venom is the man on the street, if you will, that is a consequence of Spider-Man's actions (or inactions). Whether it's reasonable or not (and it's not), his motivations do have at least a partial cause in Spider-Man's actions in exposing the sin-eater and rejecting the symbiote. Venom is a good villain because he is the constant reminder of Spider-Man's failings. He is the one in the sidelines that Spder-Man will push himself to protect almost beyond reason--but nevertheless, gets caught in the crossfire. Venom is a good villain because he forces the hero to face his own screw-ups and wonder if he can do the right thing, let alone should.

True, Venom has been slapped across the face thanks to poor handling, but at the core, he is a solid villain worthy of the top spot. With some minor revision he could be taken much more seriously than he currently is.
Venom is a great Villian and I completley agree with your post. Venom had awesome stories back in the late 1980's and early 1990's. And it's very true that if the right handler made the story then Venoms stories would be great once again. Non Venom fans understand how great of a Character Venom is. I mean there is much more to him than just to beat up on Spidey. He messes with Spideys head, he sneeks up on him. he knows his most deepest secrets, etc. I'm a HUGE! Venom Fan and I have read every issue that Venom was in and I really loved them and as I said in the Spider-man3 section, sure I didn't like the Anti-Hero Venom attitude but the stories were still great. We all have to realise that Venom is Spideys dark side, he's the monster living inside Spidey. That is one of the things I find fascinating about Venom. And Eddie Brock having a bad childhood and then losing his job as a reporter for the daily globe because of interveiwing the guy who he thought was to be the Sin-Eater but was proven fake and then he gets given these powers by an Alien that falls on him in the Lady Of Saints church, and then has great power is yet another thing that makes Venom such a great Villian:up:.

[DThink]

HI Im Mike. IM new to this forum but I recently wrote a song about the character Venom and im trying to get as much feed back as possible on it.

www.myspace.com/dthought

the song is there if you'd like to take a listen. If you have a myspace please add me, if not its cool. But im not a jerk and i do get back to people. If you like the song after listening to it please let me know on either myspace...or possibly my e-mail or this thread and i'll send it to you, just need your e-mail of course..
Thanks for the time and enjoy if you can.

[Harry Goblin]

honestly i dont like the song and im a big hip hop fan lol.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I when't to the Comic Book store today and got ASM Issue# 332 and ASM Issue# 375. two great issues that are in great condition:sym:.

[venomadness]

Anyone get the Sensational Spiderman #38 issue yet? I keep checking my local comic store...nothing yet.

[Venom_uk]

It's out next wednesday, dude. :up:

[dodus]

HI Im Mike. IM new to this forum but I recently wrote a song about the character Venom and im trying to get as much feed back as possible on it.

www.myspace.com/dthought (http://www.myspace.com/dthought)

the song is there if you'd like to take a listen. If you have a myspace please add me, if not its cool. But im not a jerk and i do get back to people. If you like the song after listening to it please let me know on either myspace...or possibly my e-mail or this thread and i'll send it to you, just need your e-mail of course..
Thanks for the time and enjoy if you can.

I'm no rap connoisseur but that sounded like some solid rhyming about Venom to me.

[Redwoods Wolf]

OK, found a couple of Venom pictures I thought were nice:
http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=10&pos=14
http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=10&pos=3

But it does raise a question--when did Venom stop having white patches on his hands? And why can't Cho draw Venom like THAT? That's at least respectable (even if it's slightly too big for my tastes) and doesn't have eyes-within-eyes.

Has Venom ever taken on Spider-Woman? Either that one or....uh....the one with a black costume? That'd be interesting.

[venomadness]

I guess I'm not too hip, but was there a Zombie Venom? I liked the Quesada Venom, I'm a fan of the drool.

Wolf, I noticed Venom without the patches when he started getting toes on his feet. I don't like when minor things are changed such as the patches and toes. I say, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

Also, the Red Sonja/Spidey/Venom...that's due out in August correct?

[Redwoods Wolf]

^^Yes, they did a zombie-fied ASM 312 cover for the Marvel Zombies story which looks pretty nice:
http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=10&pos=15
He briefly fought Zombie Spidey before the symbiote, unable to sustain itself off a re-animated corpse, bit the dust.

Stupid toes...reminds me of the Frank Miller cover for "The Complete Frank Miller Spider-Man," and he had toes, as well. Ridiculous. Besides, you gotta have the patches, there's where he shoots webbing from (although the comics seem to favor the black pseudopodia instead, these days). Next they'll be coloring him purple...

[Spider-ManHero12]

^ agreed. In the Comics, Venom should have stayed with the white paatches because quite frankly that was his best look in the Comics. I disliked the toes as well, it makes Venom look weird.

[WolfCypher]

Loss of web patches
Shoots tendrils instead of webbing
Symbiote is no longer empathic (remember, the symbiote is/was influenced by its host's emotions. Now the symbiote is just plain evil all-on-its-own)
Occasional toes on Venom's feet
Eyes-in-Eyes look (which I'm in favor for myself)
The symbiote being a "toxic" being all of a sudden (Read Spider-Man Family 3)
The symbiote making its normal sized host(s) (Mac Gargan, Patricia Robertson) into Hulk-sized monsters
Confusing Venom's I's & We's

So many "minor" changes to the character...god, please just give me a Venom I remember!

[Web-Head]

not sure if you guys have seen this preview of SSM #38. http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0706/13/sensational381.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0706/13/sensational382.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0706/13/sensational383.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0706/13/sensational384.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0706/13/sensational385.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0706/13/sensational386.jpg

looks good to me!

[WolfCypher]

not sure if you guys have seen this preview of SSM #38.

Not in color, no. Darn, if they were only big enough to read!!

[Web-Head]

Not in color, no. Darn, if they were only big enough to read!!

yeah i know! i tried to read it myself! it was tough.

[Redwoods Wolf]

They look great in color. Good art there.
Not in color, no. Darn, if they were only big enough to read!!
I'll translate as best I can.

Eddie (black box): My first year of journalism school, J. Jonah Jameson came to lecture us newbies. Among other things, he said (and I quote):

JJ:Every story is boiled down to this essence: a man is born...he lives...he dies. But the details, ladies and gentlemen...what happens in between those three immutable events...the who, what, where, why, and how you unearth--and then write about--are what will distinguish you as journalists.

Eddie (black box): I was twenty-two years old back then...virile. Healthy. Interning at the Daily Globe. I was happy. But that was before...well, like the dealer says, "pick a card, any card..." The Sin-Eater scandal that wrecked my career. (Because of Parker.) Then the suicide attempt that was interrupted by an the alien symbiote looking for a host. (Parker's fault again.) Countless humiliations as the co-dependent villain VENOM. (MOST at the hands of Parker.) My death sentence.

Doctor: The curious thing is, Mr. Brock, with cancer at this advanced stage--you should be dead. But it's as though something's keeping you alive.

Eddie (black box): (Haven't figured out how Parker's responsible for THAT yet, but I will...) My "conversion" and decision to sell the symbiote to the highest bidder--evena fellow villain--so I'd be able to donate the money to charity before the cancer finished consuming me.

Guy With Glasses: Shall we start the bidding at oh, say....10 million dollars?

Eddie (black box): A second (more successful) suicide attempt when I learned that my good intentions were all for naught since the "new" Venom was killing innocents indiscriminately. A man is born...he lives...he dies. In my case, alone, shriveled, and in pain. My days spent shuffling along the walls of this hospital like a member of the living dead...my nights spent NOT sleeping in my room on the terminal ward, haunted by memories...and MORE than memories...

Symbiote: REALLY, Eddie....did you think we were through? Did you think you'd be able to get rid of me that easily?

Doctor: Sorry we ave to keep drawing blood, Eddie...

Symbiote: Well guess what, Mr.-I'm-too-good-for-you? You may have sold me like cattle. And for the Doctors to perform an autopsy and slice you open. And set me free.

Eddie: Soon enough, chump. Soon--enough!

Symbiote: But I'm under your skin, Eddie Brock...a part of me will always be under your skin...

Doctor: That's good, Eddie. The more excercise you do, the better.

Symbiote: So now I'm just waiting for you to die.

Eddie (black box): But I've held on, haven't I? And I started wonder why. Was I part of something larger? A greater design?


And that's the end. All of this is accurate as far as I can see...even if the symbiote's comments seem to have a section missing in them. But that's what it says.

[Spider-ManHero12]

not sure if you guys have seen this preview of SSM #38. http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0706/13/sensational381.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0706/13/sensational382.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0706/13/sensational383.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0706/13/sensational384.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0706/13/sensational385.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0706/13/sensational386.jpg

looks good to me! Awesome!, Venom sure does look great.

[Web-Head]

Awesome!, Venom sure does look great.

yeah, can't wait to see the real venom again!

[WolfCypher]

Check THIS out!

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/796/796709/mighty-avengers-the-20070614050221767.jpg

The next arc in Mighty Avengers!
Wonder how either Brock or Gargan will fit into all this.

[Web-Head]

sweet! symbiote invasion:word:

they got OWNED!

[WolfCypher]

Yes, I've also noticed how recently so many Marvel title's covers show the death of Iron Man lately...

[Web-Head]

yeah i have too, guess nobody likes him.:oldrazz:

[Web-Head]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0706/17/thunderbolts117.jpg
thunderbolts
don't know if anyones seen this yet, doesn't look like gargans venom, does it? hmmm.

[Arcturus]

Sweet Symbiosis!

Those sure are awesome covers!

:sym:

[Spade]

Brock is portrayed perfectly in the SSM preview. I like that they acknowledge how the character hit a dead end with his defeats, and how the symbiote is still hauting Brock at every turn. You can really tell this is a guy willing to do anything to get back at Parker- heck, he even thinks Peter had something to do with his cancer. He needs a bit more hair on his head and some muscle after he's cured of his cancer, but considering these two seem to be on a crash towards each other I'm happy.

Automatic win for the remade McFarlane panels. Cho's Venom in Mighty Avengers needs some work on the mouth, though.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Brock is portrayed perfectly in the SSM preview. I like that they acknowledge how the character hit a dead end with his defeats, and how the symbiote is still hauting Brock at every turn. You can really tell this is a guy willing to do anything to get back at Parker- heck, he even thinks Peter had something to do with his cancer. He needs a bit more hair on his head and some muscle after he's cured of his cancer, but considering these two seem to be on a crash towards each other I'm happy.

Automatic win for the remade McFarlane panels. Cho's Venom in Mighty Avengers needs some work on the mouth, though. agreed. This is the best Venom I have seen in a while. I'm really excited to see Eddie Brock as Venom again. this is defenitley going to be a great Venom.

[Venomfan]

wow he took out Sentry, granted they probably wont even see eachother in the book. and dangit no white patches on his hands

[Redwoods Wolf]

I like that Brock is physically weak now--it's such a radical shift in what we're used to (imagine them doing this with Rhino, say, or the Sandman). It reinforces the "do evil and live healthy or die well but in great pain" choice that they are hinting at.

That's the Sub-Mariner, isn't it? Dang, he's ambitious. (That's actually the one kind of "tendril use" I have seen so far and liked--it keeps Venom's hands free while providing him with some maneuverability. Still probably should have used webbing for Namor's shackles, but then, maybe he's got some nefarious purpose in mind for his veins...) Good sizing on Venom, as well. Not too big, not petite. :up:

I'm wondering how they're going to do this "symbiote invasion" story. I think Iron Man has enough connections by now to just keep flying planes really low over NYC and drive them away/eliminate them. On the other hand...maybe this is a new breed. They ARE all using the Venom design...

[SlyGuyTtjn]

Well according to the comic preview above, Brock has some symbiote "under his skin".. So maybe he donates blood, and it spread or something to do with the blood.

[SlyGuyTtjn]

Also, the whole "I've always been under your skin eddie" is.. hmm.. Maybe (call me crazy) Eddie has some symbiote he dosen't know about, and then he has to fight Mac Gargan to get the rest back.. and he will.

[Web-Head]

Also, the whole "I've always been under your skin eddie" is.. hmm.. Maybe (call me crazy) Eddie has some symbiote he dosen't know about, and then he has to fight Mac Gargan to get the rest back.. and he will.

and it will be cool.:yay:

[Redwoods Wolf]

Also, the whole "I've always been under your skin eddie" is.. hmm.. Maybe (call me crazy) Eddie has some symbiote he dosen't know about, and then he has to fight Mac Gargan to get the rest back.. and he will.

I wouldn't be surprised if that was the explanation, but it seems a little thin. It would be interesting to see Brock vs. Gargan for the symbiote.


(Still think he should face off against Spider-Woman.)

[Venomfan]

has Alex Ross ever drawn Venom?

[Web-Head]

has Alex Ross ever drawn Venom?
no, i don't think so, if he would have, i would be admiring the work for a long time!:cwink:

[Grievous]

are there any pics of Venom in day light instead of night?

[Grievous]

bump

[Shockdingo]

Did the 1st issue of "The temptation of Eddie Brock" come out today?

[Web-Head]

Did the 1st issue of "The temptation of Eddie Brock" come out today?

yes it did.

[The Caped Knight]

Did the 1st issue of "The temptation of Eddie Brock" come out today?

Yes .

[Arcturus]

I'm going to have to get a copy of The Temptation of Eddie Brock.

Oh and Venom is #1, and he should rightfully return.

[Shockdingo]

Yes .

Awesome, thanks man, I've been waiting for this book for a long time and have just been eager to see anyone's opinons on it. How was it, did they include any revelations or show Eddie dealing with the current situation of Pete being unmasked, civil war, or Gargan?

[Spider-ManHero12]

Awesome, thanks man, I've been waiting for this book for a long time and have just been eager to see anyone's opinons on it. How was it, did they include any revelations or show Eddie dealing with the current situation of Pete being unmasked, civil war, or Gargan? It was excellent. Eddie Brock has some mental problems and I don't want to spoil the ending for you so I will put it in spoilers. Eddie Brock is in the Hospital and he recieves a regular Black Spidey replica Costume of the Symbiote costume. The Symbiote tells Brock to put it on and Venom just sits there watching him put it on and then thats the end.[ Brock and the Symbiote say alot of things to eachother but I don't want to spoil that for you. be sure to pick it up:cwink::sym:.

[Green Goblin 1964]

Vote Venom in this match of Doc ock vs. Venom http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=276344

Make sure Ock doesn't get in the lead....so Venom can go to round 2!!!VOTE!

[The Caped Knight]

Here's a few scans from The Last Temptation of Eddie Brock part 1
From Sensational Spider-Man #38 - 5 pages.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/kirke_novak/sens01.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/kirke_novak/sens02.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/kirke_novak/sens03.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/kirke_novak/sens04.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/kirke_novak/sens1.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/kirke_novak/sens2.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/kirke_novak/sens3.jpg

[The Caped Knight]

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/6113/sensationalspiderman380sv5.jpg :sym:

[Kraven]

This issue was really good. I liked Eddie's mental problems/split personality with the symbiote. It was really interesting. His obssesion with Peter really shows well in this issue. I can't wait to see where this goes.

[Green Goblin 1964]

Venom looks sooooo EVIL and maniacal in those few pages.....I LOVE IT!

[Spade]

Finally, this Back in Black crud leads to something I'm actually interested in. It's a great time to be an Eddie fan...and, if things work out right, a bad time to think Gargan's Venom is the greatest.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I love the Eddie Brock in Back and Black. the nextg Issue sure is going to be great!:up:.

[SlyGuyTtjn]

Wow thanks for posting those pages! That was awesome. Maybe we'll see Venom get another series of his own soon..

[WolfCypher]

Venom will be getting his own mini-series soon (fall).

[pjspider1C]

^ really? Cartoon? Live Action? What Channel?

[The Caped Knight]

Venom will be getting his own mini-series soon (fall).

Indeed however it's still hasn't been confirmed if it's Brock or Gargan yet .

[WolfCypher]

^ really? Cartoon? Live Action? What Channel?Ummm...comic book mini-series...Indeed however it's still hasn't been confirmed if it's Brock or Gargan yet .

Exactly. Everytime I see Eddie's Venom on a comic book cover, I just assume it could be Gargan's Venom...like the Thunderbolt covers.

[The Caped Knight]

Ummm...comic book mini-series...

Exactly. Everytime I see Eddie's Venom on a comic book cover, I just assume it could be Gargan's Venom...like the Thunderbolt covers.

If it's about Brock, I'll pick it up , but if it's Gargan Forget it . I still think this is one of the biggest mistakes made in the spiderman mythology making Gargan Venom .

I hope they change this mistake soon .

[Spade]

Anyone think that perhaps it's neither? What if both lose the symbiote to a new host?

[Web-Head]

Anyone think that perhaps it's neither? What if both lose the symbiote to a new host?

i hope not. i'd just rather eddie with the symbiote.

[Spider-Kid]

i hope not. i'd just rather eddie with the symbiote.


Yeah. Venom is to cool. :venom:

[Spider-ManHero12]

If it's about Brock, I'll pick it up , but if it's Gargan Forget it . I still think this is one of the biggest mistakes made in the spiderman mythology making Gargan Venom .

I hope they change this mistake soon . Agreed. Mac Gargan as Venom is just stupid which is why I don't read any of the Mac Gargan as Venom stories. But like you said, if it's about Brock then there is no doubt that I will pick it up.

[venomadness]

Venom will be getting his own mini-series soon (fall).

This is comfirmed?

As for SSM 38...I thought the eddie/sym story was good...don't care much about Spidey's delimma or who he goes to for help...I hate that character.

[Web-Head]

Venom will be getting his own mini-series soon (fall).
if it's true, i'm getting it!:cwink:

[WolfCypher]

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w94/Symbiocide/009%20Favorites/32_VENOM001CVR_colnospider.jpg


You guys all forget? About three months ago, just after the confirmation of "The Last Temptation of Eddie Brock", Marvel annouced a Venom mini-series and kept the details secret? Here is the cover /\.

[Web-Head]

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w94/Symbiocide/009%20Favorites/32_VENOM001CVR_colnospider.jpg


You guys all forget? About three months ago, just after the confirmation of "The Last Temptation of Eddie Brock", Marvel annouced a Venom mini-series and kept the details secret? Here is the cover /\.

thank you!:woot: thats sweet! looks like angel medina's pencils to me!:up: :up:

[WolfCypher]

thank you!:woot: thats sweet! looks like angel medina's pencils to me!:up: :up:

It is. I'm surprised you like it. I do, but most people who have already seen it says it looks bad. Like the symbiote meets the Violator. I mean, I see it too, but hey, it works for me.

Now on that cover, that is clearly the original "looking" Venom, but lately, looks have been decieving.

[dodus]

Looks like Scorpion-Venom eyes to me. That head is ridiculous.

[Web-Head]

well as long as it's brock's venom then i'm fine.

[Green Goblin 1964]

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w94/Symbiocide/009%20Favorites/32_VENOM001CVR_colnospider.jpg


You guys all forget? About three months ago, just after the confirmation of "The Last Temptation of Eddie Brock", Marvel annouced a Venom mini-series and kept the details secret? Here is the cover /\.ewww......disgusting.....I don't like it much.:dry:

[The Caped Knight]

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w94/Symbiocide/009%20Favorites/32_VENOM001CVR_colnospider.jpg


You guys all forget? About three months ago, just after the confirmation of "The Last Temptation of Eddie Brock", Marvel annouced a Venom mini-series and kept the details secret? Here is the cover /\.

See this what I'm talking about, Why do so many artist today have to draw Venom like a guy pumped on a large dose of steroids who looks like King kong , godzilla etc .... (you get my point)

At least in the Todd MacFarlane era
Venom looks a lot more realistic (Just a regular body builder) not some over size blob like monster with steroid muscles like artits of today draw Venom .
http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/images/2005/oct12/venom.jpg

[Green Goblin 1964]

See this what I'm talking about, Why do so many artist today have to draw Venom like a guy pumped on a large dose of steroids who looks like King kong , godzilla etc .... (you get my point)

At least in the Todd MacFarlane
Venom looks a lot more realistic (Just a regular body builder) not some over size blob like monster with steroid muscles like artits of today draw Venom .
http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/images/2005/oct12/venom.jpgagreed .......ahh....the good ol days:csad::csad:

[Spade]

Jesus...people need to stop reposting that cover. It's nauseating. Todd's Venom kicks the heck out of it.

[TheCaretaker]

See this what I'm talking about, Why do so many artist today have to draw Venom like a guy pumped on a large dose of steroids who looks like King kong , godzilla etc .... (you get my point)

At least in the Todd MacFarlane era
Venom looks a lot more realistic (Just a regular body builder) not some over size blob like monster with steroid muscles like artits of today draw Venom .
http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/images/2005/oct12/venom.jpg
i agree 100%

[venomadness]

See this what I'm talking about, Why do so many artist today have to draw Venom like a guy pumped on a large dose of steroids who looks like King kong , godzilla etc .... (you get my point)

At least in the Todd MacFarlane era
Venom looks a lot more realistic (Just a regular body builder) not some over size blob like monster with steroid muscles like artits of today draw Venom .


I think a Venom on the middle ground...in between the two...that is how Venom should be. Not too tame, not too ridiculous.

[Spider-ManHero12]

See this what I'm talking about, Why do so many artist today have to draw Venom like a guy pumped on a large dose of steroids who looks like King kong , godzilla etc .... (you get my point)

At least in the Todd MacFarlane era
Venom looks a lot more realistic (Just a regular body builder) not some over size blob like monster with steroid muscles like artits of today draw Venom .
http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/images/2005/oct12/venom.jpg I completley agree. Back when Macfarlane was drawing Venom, Venom looked like a strong Villian but he didn't look like he took so much steriods that he looked like he was about to explod. The Venom you posted Kal-El 8 is the Venom that I thought was great. He looked liked he can kick Spideys butt, but in the picture that was posted from I.R. Venom lookes like he was bigger than the Hulk and that isn't right. but this Picture is the picture of a truly great and awesome Venom. (I own this Issue).
http://samruby.com/AmazingSpider-ManM/Large/AmazingSpider-Man316.jpg

[The Caped Knight]

I completley agree. Back when Macfarlane was drawing Venom, Venom looked like a strong Villian but he didn't look like he took so much steriods that he looked like he was about to explod. The Venom you posted Kal-El 8 is the Venom that I thought was great. He looked liked he can kick Spideys butt, but in the picture that was posted from I.R. Venom lookes like he was bigger than the Hulk and that isn't right. but this Picture is the picture of a truly great and awesome Venom. (I own this Issue).
http://samruby.com/AmazingSpider-ManM/Large/AmazingSpider-Man316.jpg

http://www.krazy-kreations.com/spiderman/emote_artwork/spidey_yeah_that.gifhttp://www.krazy-kreations.com/spiderman/emote_artwork/spidey_clap2.gif

[Spade]

The Sand and the Fury shows the extent of where Venom should go with his mouth. Should the teeth be sharp? Yes. Perhaps broken? Sure. Should he be dripping green drool with a massively elongated tongue sporting disjointed teeth? No. That's why I like the last panel of The Last Temptation of Eddie Brock- the way Venom looks like there is the way he should always be depicted, save for a tad more sinew on his frame.

[Web-Head]

I completley agree. Back when Macfarlane was drawing Venom, Venom looked like a strong Villian but he didn't look like he took so much steriods that he looked like he was about to explod. The Venom you posted Kal-El 8 is the Venom that I thought was great. He looked liked he can kick Spideys butt, but in the picture that was posted from I.R. Venom lookes like he was bigger than the Hulk and that isn't right. but this Picture is the picture of a truly great and awesome Venom. (I own this Issue).
http://samruby.com/AmazingSpider-ManM/Large/AmazingSpider-Man316.jpg

i completly agree, i mean, i don't mind the venom mini series pic above(it's just not the best), but i would rather this because mcfarlanes venom is the best.

[Grievous]

See this what I'm talking about, Why do so many artist today have to draw Venom like a guy pumped on a large dose of steroids who looks like King kong , godzilla etc .... (you get my point)

At least in the Todd MacFarlane era
Venom looks a lot more realistic (Just a regular body builder) not some over size blob like monster with steroid muscles like artits of today draw Venom .
http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/images/2005/oct12/venom.jpg
yeah Venom is to big now days.

[Arcturus]

I've recently started work on a story called "The Speed of Darkness", it's my spin on the entire Venom saga. If anyones interested or cares, expect to see a new thread in the fan-fiction section sometime soon.

[Green Goblin 1964]

I've recently started work on a story called "The Speed of Darkness", it's my spin on the entire Venom saga. If anyones interested or cares, expect to see a new thread in the fan-fiction section sometime soon.Can't wait!!! how soon?

[Spider-ManHero12]

I've recently started work on a story called "The Speed of Darkness", it's my spin on the entire Venom saga. If anyones interested or cares, expect to see a new thread in the fan-fiction section sometime soon. cool!, I can't wait!:sym:.

[Web-Head]

I've recently started work on a story called "The Speed of Darkness", it's my spin on the entire Venom saga. If anyones interested or cares, expect to see a new thread in the fan-fiction section sometime soon.

cool, i'll check it out!

[WolfCypher]

I've recently started work on a story called "The Speed of Darkness", it's my spin on the entire Venom saga. If anyones interested or cares, expect to see a new thread in the fan-fiction section sometime soon.

Put me down on your list of anticipating readers.

[Spade]

Some of you might like it, some of you might not, but I myself found this Venom webcomic to be hilarious.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=11980214&postcount=2512
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=11980233&postcount=2513

[Arcturus]

^

LOL!

:oldrazz:

[Mr. Socko]

LOL! That was hilarious!

[dodus]

"Wii are Venom", not bad.

[Web-Head]

ha! that's hilarious, especially the wii one!:woot:

[Shockdingo]

I totally love these! Is there a website for them?

[Web-Head]

I totally love these! Is there a website for them?

did a google search on em', found this. http://lolilovesvenom.livejournal.com/
:cwink:

[Web-Head]

hope you guys don't mind me posting this week's webcomic.:cwink:
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s315/lolilovesvenom/llv012_sz.jpg

[Arkady Rossovich]

What is the point of that anyway?

[Spider-ManHero12]

Some of you might like it, some of you might not, but I myself found this Venom webcomic to be hilarious.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=11980214&postcount=2512
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=11980233&postcount=2513 LOL!, that was hilarious:woot::up:.

[SlyGuyTtjn]

So, back to Venom/Eddie Brock... Was the symbiote REALLY talking to him, or was he just imagining that?

[bananafish]

I feel like it was his imagination.

Someone posted the idea of a symbiote-less Brock killing Aunt May. If May has to go out, that's the way it should be. However, I don't think it'll happen because I think May's death will be portrayed in Amazing, not Sensational.

[Spider-ManHero12]

So, back to Venom/Eddie Brock... Was the symbiote REALLY talking to him, or was he just imagining that? I think it could have been his imigination because afterall, Brock has some problems in his head. It might not have been his imigination. I guess we will find out next Issue.

[SlyGuyTtjn]

I feel like it was his imagination.

Someone posted the idea of a symbiote-less Brock killing Aunt May. If May has to go out, that's the way it should be. However, I don't think it'll happen because I think May's death will be portrayed in Amazing, not Sensational.

Yeah I would love for that to happen.. Finally the people who say "Venom was a lame villian because he hasn't accomplished anything" will shut up. That would put Venom at the top of the list of Villians.. And it is possible because they could both be in the same hospital, (if they aren't) Eddie could be transferred because the doctors couldn't handle him, and then as he's walking to his new room, he sees Peter visiting May.. That night.. Eddie kills her, and the symbiote realizes that eddie was a good host, and it goes back to Eddie.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yeah I would love for that to happen.. Finally the people who say "Venom was a lame villian because he hasn't accomplished anything" will shut up. That would put Venom at the top of the list of Villians.. And it is possible because they could both be in the same hospital, (if they aren't) Eddie could be transferred because the doctors couldn't handle him, and then as he's walking to his new room, he sees Peter visiting May.. That night.. Eddie kills her, and the symbiote realizes that eddie was a good host, and it goes back to Eddie. That would be awesome. I'm getting even more hyped for the next Isue of Sensation Spider-man.

[dodus]

Yeah I would love for that to happen.. Finally the people who say "Venom was a lame villian because he hasn't accomplished anything" will shut up. That would put Venom at the top of the list of Villians..

I wish you were right, but I have a feeling things would go more from "I despise Venom, he's never accomplished anything!" to "I despise Venom, all he's ever done is take out an old lady in a coma, what an unscrupulous and despicable kind of super-villain he is!"

Still think he should do it though, he needs to get some killing back under his belt, and May needs to GTFU.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I wish you were right, but I have a feeling things would go more from "I despise Venom, he's never accomplished anything!" to "I despise Venom, all he's ever done is take out an old lady in a coma, what an unscrupulous and despicable kind of super-villain he is!"

Still think he should do it though, he needs to get some killing back under his belt, and May needs to GTFU. Brock hasen't killed anybody in a long time so if He kills Aunt May then we will have the old Venom back which is a great thing. but I do remember how in the Comics Brock never wanted to harm Aunt May. But I guess we will have to wait and see.

[Venom_uk]

So, back to Venom/Eddie Brock... Was the symbiote REALLY talking to him, or was he just imagining that?
Brock clearly has mental issues right now. & I think his second failed suicide attempt has finally pushed the poor guy over the edge. Anyone else notice that he now blames ALL (& I do mean all) of his problems in his life on Peter Parker now & not Spider-Man. I know they're one & the same but even so, just goes to prove how far off the deep end Eddie's gone right now.

So yeah, the 'symbiote' wasn't there at all with him. It was all in his head. Which I thought was really cool & a nice little twist to things. Maybe being bonded with the symbiote for so long took it's tole on an already trouble minded. Poor Brock. Even goes so far as to order himself a replica Spidey suit! Can you just imagine how crazy & f'd up Eddie would be right now if he did re-merge with the with Sym & become Venom again? Jesus! That would be some crazy s**t right there. So pleeeeease Marvel...give us a crazy ass Venom! :D

[Spider-ManHero12]

Brock clearly has mental issues right now. & I think his second failed suicide attempt has finally pushed the poor guy over the edge. Anyone else notice that he now blames ALL (& I do mean all) of his problems in his life on Peter Parker now & not Spider-Man. I know they're one & the same but even so, just goes to prove how far off the deep end Eddie's gone right now.

So yeah, the 'symbiote' wasn't there at all with him. It was all in his head. Which I thought was really cool & a nice little twist to things. Maybe being bonded with the symbiote for so long took it's tole on an already trouble minded. Poor Brock. Even goes so far as to order himself a replica Spidey suit! Can you just imagine how crazy & f'd up Eddie would be right now if he did re-merge with the with Sym & become Venom again? Jesus! That would be some crazy s**t right there. So pleeeeease Marvel...give us a crazy ass Venom! :D Agreed. That is one of the most interesting things about Brock currently in the Comics. So yeah I'm excited to see what he's going to do:sym:.

[Venom_uk]

What is the point of that anyway?
For Ha Ha's I'm guessing...

[Redwoods Wolf]

That webcomic has to be one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen. Looking forward to Speed of Darkness, by the way....I really need to get in gear with mine.

[Spider-Kid]

Some of you might like it, some of you might not, but I myself found this Venom webcomic to be hilarious.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=11980214&postcount=2512
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=11980233&postcount=2513

LOL!

[Grievous]

Some of you might like it, some of you might not, but I myself found this Venom webcomic to be hilarious.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=11980214&postcount=2512
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=11980233&postcount=2513
haha funny

[Arcturus]

I hope they use Venom in the new animated series.

[Grievous]

I hope they use Venom in the new animated series.
yeah they can't make a good spider-man tv series without Venom.

[Spade]

I hope they use Venom in the new animated series.

I just hope they get Eddie right in the new animated series.

[bananafish]

Right how? Straight out of the comic books or in which way? I would definitely not mind a Topher Grace-like foil to Peter. I actually like his sarcastic and slightly smug nature more than the buffer, generally just angry one a lot more.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I hope they use Venom in the new animated series. I'm sure they will. Venom is an amazing Villian so how could they forget?:sym:.

[hulkkk]

Any one know if carnage or venom appears in spiderman 4 ?

It would be the best battle if venom and carnage fought in spiderman 4 !

!!SYMBIOTE SHOWDOWN!!

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j242/vicbuck2101/venom.jpg

[Spider-ManHero12]

^ nope. And I'm sure they won't. Carnage is too violent for a Spidey Film. and Venom is dead as far as we know.

Does anybody know when Sensational Spider-Man#39 is going to be released?

[Arcturus]

I can't wait for Carnage.

[Arkady Rossovich]

I dont think Carnage will be done,a more classical Spider-Man villain would be better.

[Arcturus]

Nope, Carnage.

[Grievous]

I want Lizard for 4

[WolfCypher]

Anyway, here's an unused cover to ASM featuring the Punisher. I reaaly want to know what this issue would have been like and why the **** this story was not used!

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w94/Symbiocide/001%20Venom/371-VeSpPuBagley.jpg

Also

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w94/Symbiocide/001%20Venom/380-MarvelIconVenom11.jpg

[SlyGuyTtjn]

Venom looks weird on the bottom one.. and what's up with the Vampire teeth?

[Spade]

Bagley's Venom is a great reference for anybody adapting Venom. The bottom one is everything he shouldn't be. His tongue is long enough to hang on a towel rack, his vampire teeth look dumb in this case, and I can't help but think that we're seeing some Liefeld-style muscles there (i.e. no concept of how musculature works).

[Shockdingo]

His cheeks look puffy in the bottom one and the teeth just don't look intimidating at all; those details ruin a pretty decent painting in my opinion.

[Grievous]

I don't like the bottom one but the top one is nice.

[Spade]

Just about every Bagley drew was nice, though I was never really feeling Ultimate Venom in particular.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I don't like the bottom one but the top one is nice. Agreed. the bottom one is stupid and weird and looks like a wild animal/monster. Venom isn't suppose to look like a wild animal/monster!. Bagleys Venom is much better than the bottom Venom. Macfarlanes Venom rules both though.

By the way, Today I bought ASM Issues# 347 and 362:up:.

[hulkkk]

Carnage should be in spidey four, and if he is venom will to. This will happen because the only way to get the carnage symbiote through venom to reproduce a new symbiote which will be carnage.
And if carnage is so violent, why did they put him in the animated series which 5 year old kids watch ?:cwink:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Carnage should be in spidey four, and if he is venom will to. This will happen because the only way to get the carnage symbiote through venom to reproduce a new symbiote which will be carnage.
And if carnage is so violent, why did they put him in the animated series which 5 year old kids watch ?:cwink: they toned down His Character in TAS. In the Comics He wrote "Carnage Rules" on the wall in blood......thats too violent for a Spidey film. Remember in Spider-man Unlimited Issue #1 how Carnage ripped the roof of a Husband and Wifes Car, He then shaped His hand into an Axe type thing or something and He killed both people. from far away you could see the two bodies laying foward where the broken window was with Blood flowing down the front of the Car. thats Violent if you ask Me which is one of the reasons why Carnage should never be in a Spidey film.

[Arcturus]

All the more reason for him to be on film.

I can't wait for Carnage.

[hulkkk]

Who says they wont alter the story line like they did with venom.

http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/5/5d/VenomCarnage_4.jpg

[hulkkk]

Also if they didnt introduce another symbiote such as carnage they would have to take out bits of the original story and replace it with new storylines,which would change the spiderman trilogy all together.:cwink:

[Spider-ManHero12]

IMO, Venom should be the only Symbiote in a Spidey Film. He is the best Symbiote there ever was and I completley enjoyed Him in Spidey3!:sym:.

[Green Goblin 1964]

IMO, Venom should be the only Symbiote in a Spidey Film. He is the best Symbiote there ever was and I completley enjoyed Him in Spidey3!:sym:.agreed another symbiote would just be a waste of a villain when we've already seen similar powers with venom...and yes Venom was awesome!:up::up:

[Grievous]

Who says they wont alter the story line like they did with venom.

http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/5/5d/VenomCarnage_4.jpg
nice Toxin pic.

[hulkkk]

Thanks man:cwink:

[Spade]

There won't be another symbiote given the comic-to-film treatment. You can trust me on that much. With Raimi completely forsaking the modern elements you can be sure that Venom is the first and last in his film franchise to have a say in anything.

[Arcturus]

Here is a simple picture I whipped up in paint, a work-in-progress title pic for the story i'm working on called, The Speed of Darkness. Since it's Venom related, I thought I would post it up.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f10/venom4life/thespeedofdarknesstitlepic.jpg

[Web-Head]

Here is a simple picture I whipped up in paint, a work-in-progress title pic for the story i'm working on called, The Speed of Darkness. Since it's Venom related, I thought I would post it up.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f10/venom4life/thespeedofdarknesstitlepic.jpg

awesome so far!

[Spider-ManHero12]

Here is a simple picture I whipped up in paint, a work-in-progress title pic for the story i'm working on called, The Speed of Darkness. Since it's Venom related, I thought I would post it up.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f10/venom4life/thespeedofdarknesstitlepic.jpg Awesome job!, very well done!:up:.

[Green Goblin 1964]

Eddie needs your help now more than EVER!

He's up in a triple threat match and right now in last place....

Carnage Vs. Venom Vs. Doctor Octopus!

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=12055533&posted=1#post12055533

Vote for him in order for him to advance to round two!

[Grievous]

Here is a simple picture I whipped up in paint, a work-in-progress title pic for the story i'm working on called, The Speed of Darkness. Since it's Venom related, I thought I would post it up.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f10/venom4life/thespeedofdarknesstitlepic.jpg
nice

[Redwoods Wolf]

Nice work. :up:

[Arcturus]

Here is another picture of Eddie Brock, I drew this while imagining the transformation of Eddie Brock into Venom in The Speed of Darkness. (Forgive me for using paint, I don't have any other program, and I don't have a scanner to scan my handrawn art).

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f10/venom4life/venomtransformation.jpg

It's a origin story of the alien symbiote, Eddie Brock and Venom. At heart it's a Spider-Man story, of course. But I want to focus on the downfall of Eddie Brock, it's going to be tragic, especially leading up to the birth of Venom. And believe me, he isn't going to be a lethal protector, or even care about innocent people. He's downright evil, especially from the horrible acts he does in the story.

I'll post up a plot outline in the days to come, but here is the cast of characters.

Peter Parker…Spider-Man
Eddie Brock…Venom
Wilson Fisk…Kingpin
Hammerhead
Stanley Carter…Sin-Eater
Mary Jane Watson
May Parker
Carol Brock
Alice Brock
Mary Brock
Anne Weying
Jean DeWolff
J. Jonah Jameson
Dr. Curt Connors
Joseph Robbie Robertson
Betty Brant

[Spider-ManHero12]

Here is another picture of Eddie Brock, I drew this while imagining the transformation of Eddie Brock into Venom in The Speed of Darkness. (Forgive me for using paint, I don't have any other program, and I don't have a scanner to scan my handrawn art).

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f10/venom4life/venomtransformation.jpg

It's a origin story of the alien symbiote, Eddie Brock and Venom. At heart it's a Spider-Man story, of course. But I want to focus on the downfall of Eddie Brock, it's going to be tragic, especially leading up to the birth of Venom. And believe me, he isn't going to be a lethal protector, or even care about innocent people. He's downright evil, especially from the horrible acts he does in the story.

I'll post up a plot outline in the days to come, but here is the cast of characters.

Peter Parker…Spider-Man
Eddie Brock…Venom
Wilson Fisk…Kingpin
Hammerhead
Stanley Carter…Sin-Eater
Mary Jane Watson
May Parker
Carol Brock
Alice Brock
Mary Brock
Anne Weying
Jean DeWolff
J. Jonah Jameson
Dr. Curt Connors
Joseph Robbie Robertson
Betty Brant Awesome drawing!. I'm looking foward to your story:up::sym:.

[Web-Head]

Here is another picture of Eddie Brock, I drew this while imagining the transformation of Eddie Brock into Venom in The Speed of Darkness. (Forgive me for using paint, I don't have any other program, and I don't have a scanner to scan my handrawn art).

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f10/venom4life/venomtransformation.jpg

It's a origin story of the alien symbiote, Eddie Brock and Venom. At heart it's a Spider-Man story, of course. But I want to focus on the downfall of Eddie Brock, it's going to be tragic, especially leading up to the birth of Venom. And believe me, he isn't going to be a lethal protector, or even care about innocent people. He's downright evil, especially from the horrible acts he does in the story.

I'll post up a plot outline in the days to come, but here is the cast of characters.

Peter Parker…Spider-Man
Eddie Brock…Venom
Wilson Fisk…Kingpin
Hammerhead
Stanley Carter…Sin-Eater
Mary Jane Watson
May Parker
Carol Brock
Alice Brock
Mary Brock
Anne Weying
Jean DeWolff
J. Jonah Jameson
Dr. Curt Connors
Joseph Robbie Robertson
Betty Brant

sounds great!

[Arcturus]

And finally before I log out, i've included this classic scene from the comics, but Venom doesn't only frighten MJ in "The Speed of Darkness", he hospitalizes her, to send a message to Peter Parker aka Spider-Man.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f10/venom4life/venom_home.jpg

[Spider-ManHero12]

And finally before I log out, i've included this classic scene from the comics, but Venom doesn't only frighten MJ in "The Speed of Darkness", he hospitalizes her, to send a message to Peter Parker aka Spider-Man.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f10/venom4life/venom_home.jpg Thats awesome!!!. really great job!. I'm looking foward to the scene!:up:.

[Arcturus]

Thanks for the kind comments, I appreciate them. It gives me momentum to move forward on my story.

:up:

[†~AntiChrist~†]

Does venom appear in the new animated series? Someone else posted that but no one replied..

http://www.modelman5.com/images/venom.jpg

[Web-Head]

And finally before I log out, i've included this classic scene from the comics, but Venom doesn't only frighten MJ in "The Speed of Darkness", he hospitalizes her, to send a message to Peter Parker aka Spider-Man.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f10/venom4life/venom_home.jpg

awesome! looking foward to it!:woot:

[Redwoods Wolf]

I like it, except that he's purple...

Story sounds nice, so far. Well, not "nice," I guess...

[†~AntiChrist~†]

I actually like the shade of purple.
Venom, through out his time has been colours such as blue, black blue and even orange, if you count the so called ''hyper venom'' which was a fake.
He has also been a bright colour purple in the ULTIMATE universe.
But this is oldschool stuff that anyone venom fan would know.....:yay:

[Arcturus]

I like it, except that he's purple...

Story sounds nice, so far. Well, not "nice," I guess...

I just added the purple for highlights, like in the comics. But my intentions are, that he's all black.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I just added the purple for highlights, like in the comics. But my intentions are, that he's all black. Venom was all black in His first appearance and His first couple of Issues and even when Erik Larsen was drawing Him. Venom wasn't purple until Bagley drew him. I love the purple highlights in your Venom venom4life.

[WolfCypher]

I like it, except that he's purple...

I see. He's not purple, its just his outline. So you can see him and he doesn't "blend" into the rest of the darkness.

[SlyGuyTtjn]

<p>Here's a few scans from The Last Temptation of Eddie Brock part 1</p>
<p>From Sensational Spider-Man #38 - 5 pages.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><img src="http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/kirke_novak/sens01.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></p>
<p><img src="http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/kirke_novak/sens02.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></p>
<p><img src="http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/kirke_novak/sens03.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></p>
<p><img src="http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/kirke_novak/sens04.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></p>
<p><img src="http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/kirke_novak/sens1.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></p>
<p><img src="http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/kirke_novak/sens2.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></p>
<p><img src="http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/kirke_novak/sens3.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/6113/sensationalspiderman380sv5.jpg :sym:


Has there been a follow-up to this yet? If so, what happened?

[Grievous]

guys Venom needs are help in the vs thread!

[Arcturus]

I've just posted up the prologue to The Speed of Darkness. (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=12096812#post12096812)

[Spider-ManHero12]

^ I love it! I'm looking foward to the rest!:up:

[Web-Head]

i like it thus far!:woot: nice work!

[†~AntiChrist~†]

Nice work, cant wait for the ending..:cwink:

[Grievous]

guys you need to vote for Venom in the vs thread now!!!!!

[Green Goblin 1964]

yeah, he's losing by one!

[Web-Head]

fellow venom fans, venom has won, now... vote for venom tomorrow morning in the grand finale in the vs. thread!!

[†~AntiChrist~†]

:venom: !VENOM!..:venom:

[Grievous]

fellow venom fans, vote for venom tomorrow morning in the grand finale in the vs. thread!!
don't worry I will.

[Web-Head]

:venom: !VENOM!..:venom:

don't worry I will.


good work guys.:yay:

[Green Goblin 1964]

Vote Venom if you want him...TO WIN THE WHOLE TOURNAMENT!

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=276344&page=20

[SlyGuyTtjn]

VOTE FOR VENOM GUYS!! I'm the only vote!

[Green Goblin 1964]

VOTE FOR VENOM GUYS!! I'm the only vote!
HAHA!:oldrazz::oldrazz::woot:

[TheCaptain22555]

I actually wore my Venom shirt today. Just got it a couple of days ago. I went for the longest saying I'd never get one just because I like Spidey more and always take good guys over the baddies. I saw the shirt and it was like it was calling me. Weird haha.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^ was it the Shirt with the white Spider Symbol on it? I have that shirt. I wore it to the midnight premeire of Spidey3:up:.

[†~AntiChrist~†]

Their mad, I want one!

[Grievous]

^ was it the Shirt with the white Spider Symbol on it? I have that shirt. I wore it to the midnight premeire of Spidey3:up:.
I wore a black spider-man shirt when I went to see the movie, but I do have the shirt your talking about.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I wore a black spider-man shirt when I went to see the movie, but I do have the shirt your talking about. Which black Spider-man shirt did you wear? By the way, there was another guy at the theatre at the midnight premeire wearing the same Shirt I was wearing and a kid wearing almost the same shirt I have except the white Spider doesn't expand to the back. My eaxpands to the back though. As soon as I saw the Shirt on the interenet I had to get it:up:.

[Grievous]

Which black Spider-man shirt did you wear? By the way, there was another guy at the theatre at the midnight premeire wearing the same Shirt I was wearing and a kid wearing almost the same shirt I have except the white Spider doesn't expand to the back. My eaxpands to the back though. As soon as I saw the Shirt on the interenet I had to get it:up:.
I got it at wal-mart it has Black spidey all a wall with some gray like webs under him and Spider-man 3 vertical on the side. I got my Venom spider shirt from ebay.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I got it at wal-mart it has Black spidey all a wall with some gray like webs under him and Spider-man 3 vertical on the side. I got my Venom spider shirt from ebay. I think I might have saw that one but I'm not sure. I got the Venom shirt off a website but I can't remember the name of it. the Shirt was $17.00 though.

[Arcturus]

So far i've got the prologue to Speed of Darkness done, and i'm starting chapter one. I have a basic idea of what I want, I do have a question though. I know next to nothing about New York City, what are good locations for a Spidey story?

[Spade]

Queens. Central Park. Times Square. The Bronx. A bodega- okay, I being silly with that one...but I've always wanted to see Spidey busting up a baddie in a bodega.

[Grievous]

I think I might have saw that one but I'm not sure. I got the Venom shirt off a website but I can't remember the name of it. the Shirt was $17.00 though.
I have both Venom spider shirts, the comic one and the one from the movie.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I have both Venom spider shirts, the comic one and the one from the movie. Cool. wasn't there the grey Spider Venom shirt? I think the hite one is the best though because we all know it prepresents Venom!:up:


So far i've got the prologue to Speed of Darkness done, and i'm starting chapter one. I have a basic idea of what I want, I do have a question though. I know next to nothing about New York City, what are good locations for a Spidey story? I'm really excited to see chapter one! you did a great job with the prologue. how many chapters are there?:yay:

[Grievous]

Cool. wasn't there the grey Spider Venom shirt? I think the hite one is the best though because we all know it prepresents Venom!:up:


I'm really excited to see chapter one! you did a great job with the prologue. how many chapters are there?:yay:

yeah the gray spider shirt is the movie Venom spider.

[Spider-ManHero12]

yeah the gray spider shirt is the movie Venom spider. I think I saw that one in Wal-Mart.

[Redwoods Wolf]

I got a Larsen-style Venom shirt that just showed his eyes, fangs, tongue and a little slobber. :up:

I know next to nothing about New York City, what are good locations for a Spidey story?

It is required by law that you must have at least one water tower demolished in your story, so plan accordingly. ;)
Any place that's fairly contained with a lot of potential weapons in it, like a parking garage, hardware store, bodega...

So I was playing my friend's Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects game recently...which is ridiculously repetitive and terribly thought out, but playing as Venom is pretty fun (he uses webbing instead of pseudopodia, which surprised me--and he had the white patches!), and there's this absolutely gorgeous Daily Bugle rooftop arena to fight in, destroy, throw things at each other...I'd recommend a rent for that level alone (although Spider-Man and Iron Man are pretty fun to play as well).

[Spider-ManHero12]

I got a Larsen-style Venom shirt that just showed his eyes, fangs, tongue and a little slobber. :up:



It is required by law that you must have at least one water tower demolished in your story, so plan accordingly. ;)
Any place that's fairly contained with a lot of potential weapons in it, like a parking garage, hardware store, bodega...

So I was playing my friend's Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects game recently...which is ridiculously repetitive and terribly thought out, but playing as Venom is pretty fun (he uses webbing instead of pseudopodia, which surprised me--and he had the white patches!), and there's this absolutely gorgeous Daily Bugle rooftop arena to fight in, destroy, throw things at each other...I'd recommend a rent for that level alone (although Spider-Man and Iron Man are pretty fun to play as well). I have seen pictures of that shirt but I have never seen it in a store. I might get it though. Yeah, playing as Venom in the Marvel Nemesis game is fun but the game itself is stupid.

[Grievous]

I think I saw that one in Wal-Mart.
yeah I got the movie one from wal-mart, I got the Black Spider-man one from Wal-mart too so you might of seen it.

[Arcturus]

Sigh, I'm suffering some bad writers block for the Speed of Darkness. So I've decided to put it on the shelf for now. I had a good vision of what I wanted, but when I typed it down, it wasn't to my liking. This does not mean I've given up, but I'll give it some time. Most preferably after I finish my other project, which surprisingly is coming along very nicely. Thanks for the kind comments of those who read it, I appreciate it. It's like a fuel which gives me momentum to go forward.

:)