Catwoman Casting Thread [Merged x6]

[TwilightPro101]

A few more:
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d17/ricohete/Catwoman/CatwomansFaceBatman.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d17/ricohete/Catwoman/Catwoman-60.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d17/ricohete/Catwoman/78b9e406.jpg

[CaptainClown]

what series is that from? and is it good?

[TwilightPro101]

The art is mostly from the ONE YEAR LATER story arcs with the exception 2 at the bottom. The one above the two posted above your comment is from HUSH. The others follow CATWOMAN: IT'S ONLY A MOVIE, which hasn't been released in trade format yet (ONE YEAR LATER). The issues themselves should still be out there.

[TwilightPro101]

From HUSH:
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa143/ameliarosia/fca6.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa143/ameliarosia/CatwomanVsHuntress2.jpg

[InvisibleWoman]

This is for those out there who think Rachel Weisz would make a good Catwoman...I think she's beautiful and she sure does fill a catsuit out nicely!
http://img172.imagevenue.com/loc196/th_73758_Rachel_Weisz_in_Latex0001_122_196lo.jpg (http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=73758_Rachel_Weisz_in_Latex0001_122_ 196lo.jpg)

[batboy99]

Someone asked about the current costume:
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d17/ricohete/Catwoman/4931_400x600.jpg

thats not selina :o


oh and is that a real pic of rachel in a catsuit? or is it manipped?

[batbat_29640]

This is for those out there who think Rachel Weisz would make a good Catwoman...I think she's beautiful and she sure does fill a catsuit out nicely!
http://img172.imagevenue.com/loc196/th_73758_Rachel_Weisz_in_Latex0001_122_196lo.jpg (http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=73758_Rachel_Weisz_in_Latex0001_122_ 196lo.jpg)
Thank you!!!!!:up::up:

[TwilightPro101]

thats not selina :o


oh and is that a real pic of rachel in a catsuit? or is it manipped?

That's actually her friend, Holly covering for her in the first issue of OYL story arc. Again, those pics were emphasize on the various costumes. Yes, that's the actual cover minus the logo.

[BobJM]

If that is not a manipped photo of Weiz, that pic should be used for all those who think that a catsuit would come of crappy.

[slave2catwoman]

You know the movie people will find some way to screw up the costume. They almost always do. They can definitely do it straight from the comics. I have seen a few ladies who look great in that. We are putting that costume together for my lady now.

[sabu41]

Thank you!!!!!:up::up:

i'm the one who said rachel weiz should be catwoman

[Two-Face]

That's actually her friend, Holly covering for her in the first issue of OYL story arc. Again, those pics were emphasize on the various costumes. Yes, that's the actual cover minus the logo.

Looks awsome tho. :up:

[TwilightPro101]

I enjoyed Holly's role in the stint in the suit. It made for an interesting arc then again Selina having a baby opens the door for the a replacement.

[batboy99]

That's actually her friend, Holly covering for her in the first issue of OYL story arc. Again, those pics were emphasize on the various costumes. Yes, that's the actual cover minus the logo.
i know who it is, thats why i said its not selina. She became catwoman when selina was pregnant

[TwilightPro101]

i know who it is, thats why i said its not selina. She became catwoman when selina was pregnant

Then I misread your post :)

[InvisibleWoman]

thats not selina :o


oh and is that a real pic of rachel in a catsuit? or is it manipped?

Yes, that's really Rachel in all her curvaceous glory. Beautiful woman.

I don't see what the problem would be of Catwoman wearing a catsuit? It's kinda one of her trademarks isn't it? And more practical then some baggy, loose fitting outfit?

[batboy99]

Ya, thats the suit id like her in, but maybe not as shiny, and maybe a different material than latex.

[Mr. Socko]

I don't like the purple outfit.:down

I don't mind a purple hued outfit, but that purple outfit is a bit lame.


I hope you aren't basing your dislike off of that lame fanfilm. It was spandex for crying out loud. Catwoman doesn't even wear that s*it.

I agree about the purple hued outfit. A black one made of leather that could give off a purple reflection every now or then.

You know the movie people will find some way to screw up the costume. They almost always do. They can definitely do it straight from the comics. I have seen a few ladies who look great in that. We are putting that costume together for my lady now.


I hope not but there's a a chance they will. Like how they ruined the ugly mitch-match Batman costume in Begins.

[slave2catwoman]

Catwoman has worn purple spandex in the comics, but it's been a while.

[batboy99]

i think its better she wears black, not purple. Dont know about you,but ive never seen a purple cat lol.

[Mr. Socko]

She better not wear spandex...

leather is the only way to go.

[turtlefocker]

I'm still going with Miranda Fox because she is hot... no further comment needed

[CaptainClown]

ugh she can't act

[Crook]

Her face is really cute, but she's got some Grade-A ta-tas.

[batboy99]

I'm still going with Miranda Fox because she is hot... no further comment needed
yes, i agree she is hot, does that mean she should be catwoman? No way in HELL should she be catwoman, plus even if she could act, shes too young. If you want to go that young, choose scarlett johansson, at least she can act.

[sabu41]

thanks to "Miranda Fox" for sending the link! SOURCE: MALAYSIASUN.COM. 6:33 AM CENTRAL: BOF'er "J.K." is back with a A NEW TDK SHOOT REPORT. ...
http://www.batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html

[batboy99]

what does this have to do with catwoman?

[batbat_29640]

i'm the one who said rachel weiz should be catwoman
I actually said that like 10 pages ago bub.

[Crook]

A few people mentioned it like 2 years ago. You're both beat. :o

[batbat_29640]

A few people mentioned it like 2 years ago. You're both beat. :o
Ok :woot:. I know I'm not the only one who's mentioned it . . . but niether was he.

[killingyouguy]

Lena Headey

Hmmmm...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/LenaHeadey12.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/LenaHeadey13.jpg

[killingyouguy]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/LenaHeadey4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/LenaHeadey8.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/LenaHeadey1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/LenaHeadey2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/LenaHeadey10.jpg

[batbat_29640]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/LenaHeadey4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/LenaHeadey8.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/LenaHeadey1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/LenaHeadey2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/LenaHeadey10.jpg
hmmmm . . . nah.

[batboy99]

thought of her already, she could be good, though ive only seenher in one thing, but she was pretty good.

[killingyouguy]

hmmmm . . . nah.

Debate team champion?

[batbat_29640]

Debate team champion?
Just too many reasons why i don't like her for the role.
One of em is she's just not hot enough.

[killingyouguy]

thought of her already, she could be good, though ive only seenher in one thing, but she was pretty good.

She's got the closest look for Selina I've seen of any actress. And she's as good an actress, from what I've seen, as 9/10 of the other actresses mentioned for the role. I just don't know if she can top Charlize...

I still think Charlize is best for the role, but Lena is an interesting second.

[killingyouguy]

Just too many reasons why i don't like her for the role.
One of em is she's just not hot enough.

Ok, after that (& Rachel Weisz) I'll just ignore you from now on. :woot:

[Crook]

She can be hot, but she's not Catwoman hot. :o

[TwilightPro101]

The new Sarah Connor. That and 300 just instantly come to mind, when it comes down to Lena.

[David Rice]

hmmmm . . . nah.

Ummmm, I have to agree! Not sure why though.

Just too many reasons why i don't like her for the role. One of em is she's just not hot enough.

Yep! That's it! Your right! :woot:

[batbat_29640]

Has anyone mentioned Mila Jovovich?

[batbat_29640]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/LenaHeadey4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/LenaHeadey8.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/LenaHeadey1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/LenaHeadey2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/LenaHeadey10.jpg
"Does anyone else feel like a fried egg?" . . . or two? ooh with rasins on top even.

[CaptainClown]

i can see ^her being catwoman

[tekken]

nipples..lol.

[CaptainClown]

can't have too much of that

[killingyouguy]

She can be hot, but she's not Catwoman hot. :o

That's subjective.

Personally, I think she is "Catwoman hot". Catwoman for me has to be able to portray tough, damaged & seductive (not necessarily at the same time). Not many other actresses mentioned on here can do that convincingly.

[The Shredder]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/LenaHeadey4.jpg


Hmmm ... I can see it.

Her look in this pic inparticular, reminds me somewhat of Adam Hughes' cover for Catwoman #51.

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5800/catwomannb2.png

[David Rice]

Has anyone mentioned Mila Jovovich?

Oh, god no.... I love her, but not for that role.

[Crook]

Regardless of how you feel about her:


http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5997/jolie207800x600aa4.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1165/jolie244800x600lc9.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3967/jolie434800x600xz7.jpg


http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1015/jolie190800x600gg4.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/8400/jolie189800x600go8.jpg


Her looks alone just SCREAM Catwoman. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Dex4788/Smilies/Love/001.gif

[TwilightPro101]

Those last two images especially.

[Crook]

I truly pray for whoever is cast as the next Selina. Not only will she have to go against Pheiffer's strong performance, but she'll literally have to please every fanboy in terms of her physique and beauty, less she face a terrible backlash.

[killingyouguy]

Catwoman in the comics to me has never been stunningly beautiful, more of a practical beauty. For me Selina Kyle would be like seeing a woman and going "man she's hot but she looks like shes been through a ton of **** & she could probably kick my ass".

[Two-Face]

Regardless of how you feel about her:


http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5997/jolie207800x600aa4.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1165/jolie244800x600lc9.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3967/jolie434800x600xz7.jpg


http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1015/jolie190800x600gg4.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/8400/jolie189800x600go8.jpg


Her looks alone just SCREAM Catwoman. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Dex4788/Smilies/Love/001.gif

If Selina is in Nolan Batman movie, I just hope least he consider Jolie.


Yes she does scream Catwoman.

[CaptainClown]

After reading The long Halloween and The Dark Victory she is a character I would like to see. So I converted to having Selina in it, moving on I can see the look in Angelina but I can't see her embody the character like I see her as Angelina who adopted a ton of kids not Selina. In some manips ya, but an unknown girl with that attitude could convince me shes Selina.

[IBN Al Xuffach]

Sienna Guillory

[Crook]

Catwoman in the comics to me has never been stunningly beautiful, more of a practical beauty. For me Selina Kyle would be like seeing a woman and going "man she's hot but she looks like shes been through a ton of **** & she could probably kick my ass".
You can still have that, with her looking stunningly beautiful. :huh:

[turtlefocker]

Lots of hot woman could kick my ass, heck I've dated woman who could of kicked my ass. Not for very long once they realized I was a pussy but we still dated...

[The Shredder]

Lots of hot woman could kick my ass, heck I've dated woman who could of kicked my ass. Not for very long once they realized I was a pussy but we still dated...
I LOL'ed on that. :up: :D

[batboy99]

Regardless of how you feel about her:


http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5997/jolie207800x600aa4.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1165/jolie244800x600lc9.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3967/jolie434800x600xz7.jpg


http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1015/jolie190800x600gg4.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/8400/jolie189800x600go8.jpg


Her looks alone just SCREAM Catwoman. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Dex4788/Smilies/Love/001.gifnot my first choice but i sure as hell wouldnt be mad if she was cast

[killingyouguy]

You can still have that, with her looking stunningly beautiful. :huh:

Not that I've seen, show me one.

[McFly Fan]

Wow...we are still talking about Jolie as Selina.....

Well since Batboy gave us some fresh pictures of her I will issue some fresh pics again for my choice, Rosario Dawson....Enjoy:

http://escena.ya.com/vulcano_cine/desnudos/fotos_mujer/rosario_dawson3.jpg

http://www.myclassiclyrics.com/artist_biographies/Rosario_Dawson_Biography.jpg

http://www.myclassiclyrics.com/artist_biographies/Rosario_Dawson_Biography_4.jpg

[CaptainClown]

Rosario Dawson bothers me... I can't put my finger on it. Her acting especially bothered me in Sin City. especially the line " I tied those knots thats my specialty!" ugh can't stand it

[killingyouguy]

No to Rosario Dawson. Selina Kyle is white. Unless you want an ethnic non-Selina, then watch Catwoman. There are some roles where you can play with things like that, Catwoman isn't one of them.

[McFly Fan]

No to Rosario Dawson. Selina Kyle is white. Unless you want an ethnic non-Selina, then watch Catwoman. There are some roles where you can play with things like that, Catwoman isn't one of them.

Have you ever read Batman Year One!!!.....Or heard of an actress named Eartha Kitt....:huh: The race of Catwoman is not of any importance to the character whatsoever!!!!

[CaptainClown]

Ya Catwoman really could be played by any race really..But ya Batman Year one she was black in that

[killingyouguy]

Have you ever read Batman Year One!!!.....Or heard of an actress named Eartha Kitt....:huh:

Yes, as Catwoman they failed.

The race of Catwoman is not of any importance to the character whatsoever!!!!

You will not get an ethnic Catwoman. And you definately won't get an ethnic Selina Kyle. After Catwoman I think WB will definately try to stay true to the character of Selina Kyle. And she is not black. Might as well have a black Bruce, or Dent, or Joker, or Penguin, or Ivy. :whatever:

[TDK2186]

You will not get an ethnic Catwoman. And you definately won't get an ethnic Selina Kyle. After Catwoman I think WB will definately try to stay true to the character of Selina Kyle. And she is not black. Might as well have a black Bruce, or Dent, or Joker, or Penguin, or Ivy. :whatever:

Dent was black in Batman '89.

[TDK2186]

I wouldn't want Angelina Jolie. I'll keep thinking Tomb Raider when I look at her.

[killingyouguy]

Dent was black in Batman '89.

Wow. :dry:

If you want black prostitute Catwoman or just black Catwoman, then fine, Rosario is a decent casting suggestion. But if you want Selina Kyle Catwoman then she is a horrible choice, IMO. But hey, different people want different portrayals.

[David Rice]

No to Rosario Dawson. Selina Kyle is white. Unless you want an ethnic non-Selina, then watch Catwoman. There are some roles where you can play with things like that, Catwoman isn't one of them.

Yes, finally something we argee on.

Have you ever read Batman Year One!!!.....Or heard of an actress named Eartha Kitt....:huh: The race of Catwoman is not of any importance to the character whatsoever!!!!

Yep, sure have. Year One was writen by Frank Miller so that explains that and Eartha Kitt sucked! Yes, it is of importance to the character. You are changing the characters background and roots. Would you have a black Batman?

Ya Catwoman really could be played by any race really..But ya Batman Year one she was black in that.

Nope, I disagree. Miller has never said she was black.

You will not get an ethnic Catwoman. And you definately won't get an ethnic Selina Kyle. After Catwoman I think WB will definately try to stay true to the character of Selina Kyle. And she is not black. Might as well have a black Bruce, or Dent, or Joker, or Penguin, or Ivy. :whatever:

Yep, couldn't have said it better myself.

Dent was black in Batman '89.

Yeah, so... What's your point?

Wow. :dry:

If you want black prostitute Catwoman or just black Catwoman, then fine, Rosario is a decent casting suggestion. But if you want Selina Kyle Catwoman then she is a horrible choice, IMO. But hey, different people want different portrayals.

And yes again!

[Ibn]

Yes, finally something we argee on.



Yep, sure have. Year One was writen by Frank Miller so that explains that and Eartha Kitt sucked! Yes, it is of importance to the character. You are changing the characters background and roots. Would you have a black Batman?



Nope, I disagree. Miller has never said she was black.



Yep, couldn't have said it better myself.



Yeah, so... What's your point?



And yes again!

Bull****. You and the Killinguy are living in a fantasy land. Frank Millers Year One script had a BLACK Catwoman. I heavily doubt that's a coincidence. And maybe I'm mistaken, but isn't Year One supposed to be the DEFINITIVE version of Batman's origins. So in continuity, Batman can be white, but Catwoman can't be black? A black woman SHOULD play Selina. Up to this point in the comics, Selina should be a black woman, according to the definitive origin. And that "Why don't we make Batman black" **** is a lousy cop out in order to act like the concept of a black or whatever other ethnicity Catwoman makes people uncomfortable. So gimme a break with that "Well then why don't we make everybody black ****". Hell, the ENTIRE NARROWS should be black and latino. Especially if we want to follow the whole "realism" bit. You show me one Major city slum, like Gotham's are portrayed to be, with a slew of white people in it. You want the REAL Selina Kyle? A Selina that comes from the REAL circumstances like what Gotham city slums have to offer? Than she should be black or latino or philipino. And I'll be damned - Rosario Dawson is mixed with both of those. And it's okay for her to be black as long as she's got the prostitute origin? **** outta here with that bull. Please tell me I'm not alone in this other posters.

[killingyouguy]

Year One is not Batman's, or anyone's, definitive origins. It's certainly not Catwoman's. In fact most people don't like how Catwoman is portrayed in Miller's work. In fact a lot of people plain just don't like Miller's work. It's devisive.

And I didn't say it's ok for Catwoman to be black, if she's a prostitute. I said if you want those portrayals, which is how Miller portrays Catwoman, then that's your business. And Rosario would fit the character portrayed in Miller's work. But, IMO, Miller's Catwoman isn't the true Selina Kyle. And certainly isn't the definitive Catwoman. After the many horrible portrayals in the past, I think most people would like to see WB keep it safe and deliver the characters we know & love. A lot of people do not know Miller's Catwoman, and many who do do not love her.

And do not try to twist my words and turn this into a race issue.

[slave2catwoman]

Notice to all internet users.

DEFINITELY is not spelled definately
THEY'RE, THEIR, AND THERE are different words with different meanings.
TOO,TWO, and TO are all different words with different meanings.
YOU'RE means you are, and YOUR means belonging to you.
Didn't we all go through third grade?

And Eartha was hot!

[killingyouguy]

Notice to all internet users.

DEFINITELY is not spelled definately
THEY'RE, THEIR, AND THERE are different words with different meanings.
TOO,TWO, and TO are all different words with different meanings.
YOU'RE means you are, and YOUR means belonging to you.
Didn't we all go through third grade?

And Eartha was hot!

Wow, your a credit too your're species. :oldrazz:

And you edited your post, was that to correct a typo? lol

I didn't find Eartha hot, at all. Now Julie Newmar on the other hand... :hyper:

[Two-Face]

I agree with Drexx, Jolie is a match for Bale's Batman/Bruce just like Michelle P. was for Keaton's Batman/Bruce.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Two-Face24/4915_full.jpg

[swifty]

I say give Halle Barry another chance.

:D

[McFly Fan]

Killingyouguy......

You can not say the things you are saying and then try to protect yourself by saying "don't make this a race issue" that is exactly what you have been doing in your past few posts...making this a race issue. Not to make it a race issue gives an open door for Catwoman to be cast as a woman of any race...to be against that....as you are, makes it a race issue!

My point is...Selina Kyle's race is not important to the character at all. She can be white, black even asian. There is nothing in her origins or history that says she has to be white becuase...such and such happens...nothing! So if her race is not essential then it is not a factor. Miller's Year One may not be YOUR definitive version but is an example of a different take on the character which is the right any artist has whether they be a director, writer or graphic artist.

You have no case other than your personal opinions and from your past few posts you are showing your true spots because of them!

[David Rice]

Bull****. You and the Killinguy are living in a fantasy land. Frank Millers Year One script had a BLACK Catwoman. I heavily doubt that's a coincidence. And maybe I'm mistaken, but isn't Year One supposed to be the DEFINITIVE version of Batman's origins. So in continuity, Batman can be white, but Catwoman can't be black? A black woman SHOULD play Selina. Up to this point in the comics, Selina should be a black woman, according to the definitive origin. And that "Why don't we make Batman black" **** is a lousy cop out in order to act like the concept of a black or whatever other ethnicity Catwoman makes people uncomfortable. So gimme a break with that "Well then why don't we make everybody black ****". Hell, the ENTIRE NARROWS should be black and latino. Especially if we want to follow the whole "realism" bit. You show me one Major city slum, like Gotham's are portrayed to be, with a slew of white people in it. You want the REAL Selina Kyle? A Selina that comes from the REAL circumstances like what Gotham city slums have to offer? Than she should be black or latino or philipino. And I'll be damned - Rosario Dawson is mixed with both of those. And it's okay for her to be black as long as she's got the prostitute origin? **** outta here with that bull. Please tell me I'm not alone in this other posters.

I got news for you guy, Selina Kyle was around long before Batman: Year One. Her first apperance was Batman #1 in 1940, she was called The Cat and she was white! So don't tell me that we are living fantasy land. Just because Miller thinks Selina is a black prostitute doesn't mean she is. I'm not even sure if DC considers anything Miller has writen to be continuity or not. Everytime he write Batman it's like he is putting Marv in a Batman suit, just look what he's done to All Star. :whatever:

[killingyouguy]

Killingyouguy......

You can not say the things you are saying and then try to protect yourself by saying "don't make this a race issue" that is exactly what you have been doing in your past few posts...making this a race issue. Not to make it a race issue gives an open door for Catwoman to be cast as a woman of any race...to be against that....as you are, makes it a race issue!

:huh:

I'm making it a race issue because Selina Kyle is portrayed by every author besides Miller as white? It should be bloody obvious. It'd be like if one author did a black Bruce Wayne and saying we should have a black Bruce Wayne & claiming it's definitive. It's insane.

My point is...Selina Kyle's race is not important to the character at all. She can be white, black even asian. There is nothing in her origins or history that says she has to be white becuase...such and such happens...nothing! So if her race is not essential then it is not a factor. Miller's Year One may not be YOUR definitive version but is an example of a different take on the character which is the right any artist has whether they be a director, writer or graphic artist.

Miller is the only writer that has portrayed her as black. Every other single writer & artist has portrayed her as white. In fact they rarely even change her hair colour. She is definitively a white brunette. Now if you don't want that, fine. If you want Miller's version, fine. But most people will not share your opinion. And now you say Miller is not definitive, he's just another opinion? Get your story straight.

You have no case other than your personal opinions and from your past few posts you are showing your true spots because of them!

Uh, yeah. My personal opinions... and pretty much every other appearence by Selina Kyle outside Miller's work.

If Selina Kyle was black in half her appearances, then you'd have a point. Or if she was black in a few key, popular appearances, you'd have a point. But no, she was black in one graphic novel that is a hit-or-miss depending on who you talk to. In 99% of her appearances shes white. I'd say that makes it her definitive look.

[David Rice]

Year One is not Batman's, or anyone's, definitive origins. It's certainly not Catwoman's. In fact most people don't like how Catwoman is portrayed in Miller's work. In fact a lot of people plain just don't like Miller's work. It's devisive.

And I didn't say it's ok for Catwoman to be black, if she's a prostitute. I said if you want those portrayals, which is how Miller portrays Catwoman, then that's your business. And Rosario would fit the character portrayed in Miller's work. But, IMO, Miller's Catwoman isn't the true Selina Kyle. And certainly isn't the definitive Catwoman. After the many horrible portrayals in the past, I think most people would like to see WB keep it safe and deliver the characters we know & love. A lot of people do not know Miller's Catwoman, and many who do do not love her.

And do not try to twist my words and turn this into a race issue.

This sums it all up in a few sentences.

Killingyouguy......

You can not say the things you are saying and then try to protect yourself by saying "don't make this a race issue" that is exactly what you have been doing in your past few posts...making this a race issue. Not to make it a race issue gives an open door for Catwoman to be cast as a woman of any race...to be against that....as you are, makes it a race issue!

My point is...Selina Kyle's race is not important to the character at all. She can be white, black even asian. There is nothing in her origins or history that says she has to be white becuase...such and such happens...nothing! So if her race is not essential then it is not a factor. Miller's Year One may not be YOUR definitive version but is an example of a different take on the character which is the right any artist has whether they be a director, writer or graphic artist.

You have no case other than your personal opinions and from your past few posts you are showing your true spots because of them!

It has nothing to do with race dude. Killingyouguy has a idea in his head of who Catwoman is and that is what he wants to see. Period! Everytime this subject is talked about someone has to bring race into. Why? There is no point. If there is no problem with a black woman playing Catwoman then there should be no problem with black man playing Batman or any other superhero for that matter. Right?

Let me ask you this, have you ever read any Catwoman stories other than Year One? Every and I mean every story I've read she is white and they have never said she was a hooker. I really don't understand why you are arguing that she must be played by a black woman.

If Selina comes from a troubled past why does she have to black? If she's from the narrows why does she have to be black? Sounds like to me you are making it a race issue yourself. :cwink:

[David Rice]

:huh:

I'm making it a race issue because Selina Kyle is portrayed by every author besides Miller as white? It should be bloody obvious. It'd be like if one author did a black Bruce Wayne and saying we should have a black Bruce Wayne & claiming it's definitive. It's insane.



Miller is the only writer that has portrayed her as black. Every other single writer & artist has portrayed her as white. In fact they rarely even change her hair colour. She is definitively a white brunette. Now if you don't want that, fine. If you want Miller's version, fine. But most people will not share your opinion. And now you say Miller is not definitive, he's just another opinion? Get your story straight.



Uh, yeah. My personal opinions... and pretty much every other appearence by Selina Kyle outside Miller's work.

If Selina Kyle was black in half her appearances, then you'd have a point. Or if she was black in a few key, popular appearances, you'd have a point. But no, she was black in one graphic novel that is a hit-or-miss depending on who you talk to. In 99% of her appearances shes white. I'd say that makes it her definitive look.

McFly Man,

It's all right above, black and white clear as crystal. You have no ground to stand on.

[McFly Fan]

I really don't understand why you are arguing that she must be played by a black woman.

If Selina comes from a troubled past why does she have to black? If she's from the narrows why does she have to be black? Sounds like to me you are making it a race issue yourself. :cwink:

Uhhh get the story straight...those were never my arguments for why she should be Catwoman....don't give someone the wrong quotes!

For you and Killingyouguy...all I am saying is that Miller showed with Year One, as what happens with other characters that have been drawn and interpreted over the years....there is no one way to do a character...We are talking about a FICTIONAL character here people...not a real live person. If we had a real non fictional representation of a Selina Kyle, if she were based on a true story and the woman was white...then I would not have a leg to stand on...You can't make JFK black, You can't make MLK white..I get it...but this is a work of fiction and how in the world can a work of fiction have a solid race if the race is not essential?!!!

Of course a bunch of white guys in the 40's 50's and 60's wrote Selina as a white woman..black people couldn't even drink from the same water fountain as whites in some places back then do you really think writers were going to make her non white during that time period....after that it just became tradition.

Let's group up a little here guys...outside of "she has always been drawn as white" which I just squashed above....give me a definitive reason why this FICTIONAL character has to be one race. Tradition does not mean fact..it is a pattern of habits

[Crook]

You still haven't addressed the "should Bruce Wayne be black" question. Or any other major character for that matter.

Yes, it's tradition, and yes, it's a fictional character. I think the fact that it's been set in stone the character is white for over 60+ years should be enough, but let's pretend it isn't. Since white is the default for Selina, and you're proposing a skin color change, it is on YOU, to provide why a change is necessary, not the other way around. From what I can see, I haven't seen that.

[McFly Fan]

You still haven't addressed the "should Bruce Wayne be black" question. Or any other major character for that matter.

Yes, it's tradition, and yes, it's a fictional character. I think the fact that it's been set in stone the character is white for over 60+ years should be enough, but let's pretend it isn't. Since white is the default for Selina, and you're proposing a skin color change, it is on YOU, to provide why a change is necessary, not the other way around. From what I can see, I haven't seen that.

Are you actually reading my posts!!! Once Again.....

1. Tradition does not make something fact...it is a habitual pattern. It does not mean this is the way it has to always be done. Her race is not essential to who she is so why is it so important to you guys?!!!

2. I have also established that since the "tradition" of the character's race was done in a time when we were in great racial turmoil in this country it further diminishes the "setting in stone" of Selina's race. If we were not going though our racial battles in this country and if everyone had a fair hand back in the time period I am referring to... who knows what race a lot of these characters may have been...so I am saying your enitre argument can not be "tradition" or this is how she has always been done.

3. You have still not addressed what is the Definitive answer to why she has to be white other than...that's the way it is always been done..which again...I just squashed above!

[David Rice]

Uhhh get the story straight...those were never my arguments for why she should be Catwoman....don't give someone the wrong quotes!

I never said that they were. You said that based on where she came from it would make more sense that she was black. Why?

For you and Killingyouguy...all I am saying is that Miller showed with Year One, as what happens with other characters that have been drawn and interpreted over the years....there is no one way to do a character...We are talking about a FICTIONAL character here people...not a real live person. If we had a real non fictional representation of a Selina Kyle, if she were based on a true story and the woman was white...then I would not have a leg to stand on...You can't make JFK black, You can't make MLK white..I get it...but this is a work of fiction and how in the world can a work of fiction have a solid race if the race is not essential?!!!

Really? There is no one way to do a character? I think your wrong considering most times they are done the same way.

Of course a bunch of white guys in the 40's 50's and 60's wrote Selina as a white woman..black people couldn't even drink from the same water fountain as whites in some places back then do you really think writers were going to make her non white during that time period....after that it just became tradition.

A bunch of white guys? What's with that? Why does it have to be that they wrote her as being white because they couldn't make her black?
Why? Why can't it just be that they meant for her to be white? Everytime this argument gets brought up that is the only defense. "She couldn't have been black because at the time no one would have accepted it." :whatever:

Let's group up a little here guys...outside of "she has always been drawn as white" which I just squashed above....give me a definitive reason why this FICTIONAL character has to be one race. Tradition does not mean fact..it is a pattern of habits

Ummm, no really you didn't.

You still haven't addressed the "should Bruce Wayne be black" question. Or any other major character for that matter.

Yes, it's tradition, and yes, it's a fictional character. I think the fact that it's been set in stone the character is white for over 60+ years should be enough, but let's pretend it isn't. Since white is the default for Selina, and you're proposing a skin color change, it is on YOU, to provide why a change is necessary, not the other way around. From what I can see, I haven't seen that.

Exactly!

[Two-Face]

Yeah, after a lot of consideration, she's one of the few actresses in here who can go toe to toe with Batman and be romantic with Bruce.

Woah, so you are in the Jolie Catwoman Club, sweet. :up:

[David Rice]

Are you actually reading my posts!!! Once Again.....

1. Tradition does not make something fact...it is a habitual pattern. It does not mean this is the way it has to always be done. Her race is not essential to who she is so why is it so important to you guys?!!!

2. I have also established that since the "tradition" of the character's race was done in a time when we were in great racial turmoil in this country it further diminishes the "setting in stone" of Selina's race. If we were not going though our racial battles in this country and if everyone had a fair hand back in the time period I am referring to... who knows what race a lot of these characters may have been...so I am saying your enitre argument can not be "tradition" or this is how she has always been done.

3. You have still not addressed what is the Definitive answer to why she has to be white other than...that's the way it is always been done..which again...I just squashed above!

1. Becasuse that is how WE see her! You don't see her that way.. fine, but you are the among the very few. Why is so essential to you that she is black?

2. Ummmm, no you didn't. Maybe they wanted them to be white. Sounds like to me that you are making more out of this then you need too. :cwink:
3. We don't need too. YOU need to address why we should change her. Again, no you didn't.

[McFly Fan]

[quote=gothamcentral;12518811]I never said that they were. You said that based on where she came from it would make more sense that she was black. Why?

I never said that dude...IBN said that....My argument had nothing to do with where she came from!!! Please quote correctly


Really? There is no one way to do a character? I think your wrong considering most times they are done the same way.

Again...tradition is not fact!


A bunch of white guys? What's with that? Why does it have to be that they wrote her as being white because they couldn't make her black?
Why? Why can't it just be that they meant for her to be white? Everytime this argument gets brought up that is the only defense. "She couldn't have been black because at the time no one would have accepted it." :whatever:

This is the exact same as you guys saying she has to be white because she has always been white...that is your argument and this is mine. Because we will never truly know the intention of why these characters where written as certain races...that itself belittles the idea.."they have always been drawn that way"....maybe if the circumstances were different they would not have been drawn that way...that is my point and you really can not argue that!

[Crook]

This is the exact same as you guys saying she has to be white because she has always been white...that is your argument and this is mine.
But you have no argument. You're making a change you have still yet to justify. And every time we ask you to back up your points, you do nothing but flip it back with a question....which in itself is a way of evading an answer.

I will repeat myself, since YOU are the one making a point of alteration, it is YOU who has to state WHY.

Because we will never truly know the intention of why these characters where written as certain races...that itself belittles the idea.."they have always been drawn that way"....maybe if the circumstances were different they would not have been drawn that way...
The problem with this way of thinking is you're bringing up irrelevant matter based on situations that haven't existed, but rather concocted on a "what if" scenario. That is a point which has no limits, and of course can't be argued because there's nothing to back it up.

[David Rice]

I never said that dude...IBN said that....My argument had nothing to do with where she came from!!! Please quote correctly.

You're right, sorry. I got confused there.

This is the exact same as you guys saying she has to be white because she has always been white...that is your argument and this is mine. Because we will never truly know the intention of why these characters where written as certain races...that itself belittles the idea.."they have always been drawn that way"....maybe if the circumstances were different they would not have been drawn that way...that is my point and you really can not argue that!

It's not the exact same thing. You were trying to say that she was first writen as white because she had to be for the time. Ok, so what about now? Why not change her race now in the comics? Becuase MOST people would call bull**** based on the fact that she has always been white.

As Drexx said: You're making a change you have still yet to justify. Why are you so hell bent on changing what was there for the first 40 years?

[slave2catwoman]

Hey, maybe we can make Luke Cage a white guy! But I guess, "Holy Christmas in July!" would sound even more ridiculous that it already does.

[slave2catwoman]

Ha! Killing, I can forgive typos, but not elementary school grammar. Actually, I editied the post because I forgot the you're/your bit. I agree that Julie was the best. But since milady is a dead ringer for Eartha, I gotta give Eartha some props.

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[Ibn]

I got news for you guy, Selina Kyle was around long before Batman: Year One. Her first apperance was Batman #1 in 1940, she was called The Cat and she was white! So don't tell me that we are living fantasy land. Just because Miller thinks Selina is a black prostitute doesn't mean she is. I'm not even sure if DC considers anything Miller has writen to be continuity or not. Everytime he write Batman it's like he is putting Marv in a Batman suit, just look what he's done to All Star. :whatever:

First off. Let me just get this out of the way. And God help me with the backlash. But I think Frank Miller is brilliant. There I said it! And also, like I pointed out before, Every other aspect of Year One has been adopted in to continuity, accept black Selina. That's ****ed up and you can't deny that. And killingyouguy, you prompted the race argument with your little "let's turn everybody black" thing. In the end, I hope she's Asian.

[Ibn]

:huh:

I'm making it a race issue because Selina Kyle is portrayed by every author besides Miller as white? It should be bloody obvious. It'd be like if one author did a black Bruce Wayne and saying we should have a black Bruce Wayne & claiming it's definitive. It's insane.



Miller is the only writer that has portrayed her as black. Every other single writer & artist has portrayed her as white. In fact they rarely even change her hair colour. She is definitively a white brunette. Now if you don't want that, fine. If you want Miller's version, fine. But most people will not share your opinion. And now you say Miller is not definitive, he's just another opinion? Get your story straight.



Uh, yeah. My personal opinions... and pretty much every other appearence by Selina Kyle outside Miller's work.

If Selina Kyle was black in half her appearances, then you'd have a point. Or if she was black in a few key, popular appearances, you'd have a point. But no, she was black in one graphic novel that is a hit-or-miss depending on who you talk to. In 99% of her appearances shes white. I'd say that makes it her definitive look.

Nah. It wouldn't be like that. Everything else about YO has been adopted into continuity. Which leads me to believe that DC pretty much views it as Batmans definitive origin. Year One is nowhere near a hit-or-miss.

[EagleVision]

Honestly, there shouldn't be a poll for a trivial question like this...Jolie all the way! :)

[Ibn]

But you have no argument. You're making a change you have still yet to justify. And every time we ask you to back up your points, you do nothing but flip it back with a question....which in itself is a way of evading an answer.

I will repeat myself, since YOU are the one making a point of alteration, it is YOU who has to state WHY.


The problem with this way of thinking is you're bringing up irrelevant matter based on situations that haven't existed, but rather concocted on a "what if" scenario. That is a point which has no limits, and of course can't be argued because there's nothing to back it up.


Jesus h. Christ. First, let me get everybody off of McflyFan's back. I WAS THE ONE WHO SAID THE STUFF ABOUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES. And I'll say it once again, if she's from the slums of Gotham, or anybody else for that matter, she should not be white. Especially since 99.9999999 percent of the history of American ghettos, there aren't many white inhabitants to be found unless they wear a badge or a teachers pendant. And YES HE DOES HAVE AN ARGUMENT. Again with the "turn em all black" ****. Everything he said about her race being completely NOT set in stone is true. His argument isn't that she should be but that she could be black. Bruce Wayne is white. He is Batman. No one would ever accept him as being anything else, because it wouldn't be real. A black billionaire playboy? Has that even happened YET, in the history of America? No. It wouldn't be realistic. But an ethnic Selina would and could work. It's everybody else who jumped the gun and assumed that he was saying that. And the only reason I brought up the thing with the circumstances is to go along with Nolan's realism. If she's from anywhere besides the damn slums, than she can be blue and I wouldn't give a crap. But don't give me the bit about realism, and than have like two black people in the most impoverished areas of Gotham. If that's the way they're gonna play it, than yeah, she shouldn't be white. And I understand that poverty is raceless, before anybody jumps on my back with that one. But in AMERICA, besides teachers and cops, I've never seen poor white people in the inner city. No we can't make Joker black. He's never been anything other than (to my knowledge anyway.) that and the general puplic wouldn't wan't to see that. But characters like Selina or Harvey, they are raceless. Characters like Bruce and the Joker aren't. They've been set in stone. And I'll even admit, when I found out Ra's was white, I was pissed. He's Arabic in the comics, so that made me angry. But, even though It would have been glorious to see people in awe at an Arabic cat who is Batman's mental equal, I got over it because it still worked in the end! A Black Batman or Joker or anybody else would not work. But a black Selina, or Harvey, in real life could work IMO.

[EagleVision]

WOW. I can't believe all this crap I'm reading. This ongoing discussion made me bust out Year One and uh, as I'm looking at Catwoman why do ANY OF U assume she is black at all? Because she has short hair?? Because of the tan color?? Shoot Bruce has the same color. All the coloring are very dark and earthen kinds of tones, why should you assume anything? I've only seen Catwoman black with Eartha Kitt in the 60's series back in the day and Halle Berry. I haven't read every comic of Batman, but I've never seen her black or asian or any other race at any other time other than primarily white. And just to comment on someone else's quote, just because there may not be tons of people that are white in the ghetto doesn't mean people don't live in that area, and that it's not believable. And who said in Year One that it was the ghetto? Bruce calls it The East End as I remember, a downtown kind of area with the shady shops and rough people. The danger side of town. There are places in New York, with those same kinds of scenes in YO that aren't necessarily considered the ghetto areas at all. Just those shady areas of New York where you don't go unless you're looking for trouble. So please, all of u can debate, but don't be ignorant and shoot off at the mouth about what you don't know.

Catwoman has been primarily white throughout her comic career. Most likely she'll be white in the movie if she shows again. If she's ends up not being white in the movie are any of you going to sway the director's mind and give him a call? 'Cause in that case u missed out on Batman '89 and Harvey Dent, and Halle Berry and Eartha Kitt in the old school. Just accept it and don't read so much into everything.

[David Rice]

First off. Let me just get this out of the way. And God help me with the backlash. But I think Frank Miller is brilliant. There I said it! And also, like I pointed out before, Every other aspect of Year One has been adopted in to continuity, accept black Selina. That's ****ed up and you can't deny that. And killingyouguy, you prompted the race argument with your little "let's turn everybody black" thing. In the end, I hope she's Asian.

Crazy is more like it. How is it ****ed up? Why can't I deny it? Maybe there is a reason that part was never adopted. Maybe people don't like to think of Selina as a black postituite. Did you ever think of that? Who even says she was black? I don't think Miller has ever said that.

You wrote:

A black woman SHOULD play Selina. Up to this point in the comics, Selina should be a black woman, according to the definitive origin.

Yeah, why? Just because one writer wrote her that way? Who says it's the definitive origin anyway? I don't think DC has ever said it was definitive, many people don't like Miller take on Batman for that very reason.

You wrote:

Hell, the ENTIRE NARROWS should be black and latino. Especially if we want to follow the whole "realism" bit. You show me one Major city slum, like Gotham's are portrayed to be, with a slew of white people in it. You want the REAL Selina Kyle? A Selina that comes from the REAL circumstances like what Gotham city slums have to offer? Than she should be black or latino or philipino.

First off lets get this straight. What are tou talking about? The comics or the films? I'm not sure you even know. The Narrows and "realism" is only part of the Batman Begins.

Second, why does the narrows have to be all black and latino? What are you saying here? Just because Selina comes from a troubled past why does she have to black? Why? I think you should take a real long look at wat you are saying here guy.

You wrote:

And it's okay for her to be black as long as she's got the prostitute origin?

I never said that. I hate that prostitute ****.

[killingyouguy]

Jesus h. Christ. First, let me get everybody off of McflyFan's back. I WAS THE ONE WHO SAID THE STUFF ABOUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES. And I'll say it once again, if she's from the slums of Gotham, or anybody else for that matter, she should not be white. Especially since 99.9999999 percent of the history of American ghettos, there aren't many white inhabitants to be found unless they wear a badge or a teachers pendant. And YES HE DOES HAVE AN ARGUMENT. Again with the "turn em all black" ****. Everything he said about her race being completely NOT set in stone is true. His argument isn't that she should be but that she could be black. Bruce Wayne is white. He is Batman. No one would ever accept him as being anything else, because it wouldn't be real. A black billionaire playboy? Has that even happened YET, in the history of America? No. It wouldn't be realistic. But an ethnic Selina would and could work. It's everybody else who jumped the gun and assumed that he was saying that. And the only reason I brought up the thing with the circumstances is to go along with Nolan's realism. If she's from anywhere besides the damn slums, than she can be blue and I wouldn't give a crap. But don't give me the bit about realism, and than have like two black people in the most impoverished areas of Gotham. If that's the way they're gonna play it, than yeah, she shouldn't be white. And I understand that poverty is raceless, before anybody jumps on my back with that one. But in AMERICA, besides teachers and cops, I've never seen poor white people in the inner city. No we can't make Joker black. He's never been anything other than (to my knowledge anyway.) that and the general puplic wouldn't wan't to see that. But characters like Selina or Harvey, they are raceless. Characters like Bruce and the Joker aren't. They've been set in stone. And I'll even admit, when I found out Ra's was white, I was pissed. He's Arabic in the comics, so that made me angry. But, even though It would have been glorious to see people in awe at an Arabic cat who is Batman's mental equal, I got over it because it still worked in the end! A Black Batman or Joker or anybody else would not work. But a black Selina, or Harvey, in real life could work IMO.

We were pissed because he was claiming Miller's Catwoman was definitive and as valid a choice as her iconic image, it's not. And if fans wanted his version they would have complained their heads off to DC after reading Year One. They didn't. A black Catwoman could "work". Just like changing any of the characters, could potentially work. But it's not what the majority of the fans want, they want their definitive Selina Kyle. Pfeiffer's crazy-secretary Catwoman was not definitive. If she had been, then maybe a different take on Catwoman would be in order, but no. As for people in the narrows should be mostly black, whatever you, I or anybody else thinks, from what I saw in BB it seems its a mix of races. Which is what it should be, WB would cop a ton of flack if they represented the poor of Gotham with only one particular race. And that being the case, it doesn't impact on what Catwoman's race should or shouldn't be. That only leaves a few things that do: fan expectation, tradition & DC/WB/Nolan's vision. The majority of the fans want the iconic white brunette Catwoman. Traditionally she's been a white brunette. And with the failure of the Catwoman movie I think WB/DC would want to distance any future portrayal from that flop.

Could Miller's Catwoman work in the current movies? Well it could fit Nolan's more realistic approach, but I don't think it would be a success since most fans don't want to see it. Prankster Joker could work as well, but fans would be up in arms.

[David Rice]

Jesus h. Christ. First, let me get everybody off of McflyFan's back. I WAS THE ONE WHO SAID THE STUFF ABOUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES. And I'll say it once again, if she's from the slums of Gotham, or anybody else for that matter, she should not be white. Especially since 99.9999999 percent of the history of American ghettos, there aren't many white inhabitants to be found unless they wear a badge or a teachers pendant. And YES HE DOES HAVE AN ARGUMENT. Again with the "turn em all black" ****. Everything he said about her race being completely NOT set in stone is true. His argument isn't that she should be but that she could be black. Bruce Wayne is white. He is Batman. No one would ever accept him as being anything else, because it wouldn't be real. A black billionaire playboy? Has that even happened YET, in the history of America? No. It wouldn't be realistic. But an ethnic Selina would and could work. It's everybody else who jumped the gun and assumed that he was saying that. And the only reason I brought up the thing with the circumstances is to go along with Nolan's realism. If she's from anywhere besides the damn slums, than she can be blue and I wouldn't give a crap. But don't give me the bit about realism, and than have like two black people in the most impoverished areas of Gotham. If that's the way they're gonna play it, than yeah, she shouldn't be white. And I understand that poverty is raceless, before anybody jumps on my back with that one. But in AMERICA, besides teachers and cops, I've never seen poor white people in the inner city. No we can't make Joker black. He's never been anything other than (to my knowledge anyway.) that and the general puplic wouldn't wan't to see that. But characters like Selina or Harvey, they are raceless. Characters like Bruce and the Joker aren't. They've been set in stone. And I'll even admit, when I found out Ra's was white, I was pissed. He's Arabic in the comics, so that made me angry. But, even though It would have been glorious to see people in awe at an Arabic cat who is Batman's mental equal, I got over it because it still worked in the end! A Black Batman or Joker or anybody else would not work. But a black Selina, or Harvey, in real life could work IMO.

Most peole would not accept selina a black woman either. It didn't work every well in the past and you still have yet to answer why she must be changed. :cwink:

[David Rice]

We were pissed because he was claiming Miller's Catwoman was definitive and as valid a choice as her iconic image, it's not. And if fans wanted his version they would have complained their heads off to DC after reading Year One. They didn't. A black Catwoman could "work". Just like changing any of the characters, could potentially work. But it's not what the majority of the fans want, they want their definitive Selina Kyle. Pfeiffer's crazy-secretary Catwoman was not definitive. If she had been, then maybe a different take on Catwoman would be in order, but no. As for people in the narrows should be mostly black, whatever you, I or anybody else thinks, from what I saw in BB it seems its a mix of races. Which is what it should be, WB would cop a ton of flack if they represented the poor of Gotham with only one particular race. And that being the case, it doesn't impact on what Catwoman's race should or shouldn't be. That only leaves a few things that do: fan expectation, tradition & DC/WB/Nolan's vision. The majority of the fans want the iconic white brunette Catwoman. Traditionally she's been a white brunette. And with the failure of the Catwoman movie I think WB/DC would want to distance any future portrayal from that flop.

Could Miller's Catwoman work in the current movies? Well it could fit Nolan's more realistic approach, but I don't think it would be a success since most fans don't want to see it. Prankster Joker could work as well, but fans would be up in arms.

Yep! Hit the nail right on the head! Thank you killingyouguy!

[Ibn]

Most peole would not accept selina a black woman either. It didn't work every well in the past and you still have yet to answer why she must be changed. :cwink:


Yes, I have. I said she doesn't have to be changed. All I'm saying is that a different ethnicity catwoman could "work". That's what Mcfly fan was saying as well.

[Ibn]

We were pissed because he was claiming Miller's Catwoman was definitive and as valid a choice as her iconic image, it's not. And if fans wanted his version they would have complained their heads off to DC after reading Year One. They didn't. A black Catwoman could "work". Just like changing any of the characters, could potentially work. But it's not what the majority of the fans want, they want their definitive Selina Kyle. Pfeiffer's crazy-secretary Catwoman was not definitive. If she had been, then maybe a different take on Catwoman would be in order, but no. As for people in the narrows should be mostly black, whatever you, I or anybody else thinks, from what I saw in BB it seems its a mix of races. Which is what it should be, WB would cop a ton of flack if they represented the poor of Gotham with only one particular race. And that being the case, it doesn't impact on what Catwoman's race should or shouldn't be. That only leaves a few things that do: fan expectation, tradition & DC/WB/Nolan's vision. The majority of the fans want the iconic white brunette Catwoman. Traditionally she's been a white brunette. And with the failure of the Catwoman movie I think WB/DC would want to distance any future portrayal from that flop.

Could Miller's Catwoman work in the current movies? Well it could fit Nolan's more realistic approach, but I don't think it would be a success since most fans don't want to see it. Prankster Joker could work as well, but fans would be up in arms.

I still think it would work. But THAT sir is a fair and civilized arguement. In the end, I'm pretty much certain that she will be white in the movie. All I was saying that a black or whatever catwoman could work. But now that you've explained your comments, I better understand where your'e coming from. I was just basically telling my pick for Catwoman. That won't happen, but it's good to dream.

[batboy99]

Selina Kyle is and should always be white. The End :o

[Ibn]

Crazy is more like it. How is it ****ed up? Why can't I deny it? Maybe there is a reason that part was never adopted. Maybe people don't like to think of Selina as a black postituite. Did you ever think of that? Who even says she was black? I don't think Miller has ever said that.

Again. Miller's YO script, if you read it, has a black Catwoman. I heavily doubt that's a coincidence. This is the third time I am saying this.

You wrote:

A black woman SHOULD play Selina. Up to this point in the comics, Selina should be a black woman, according to the definitive origin.

Yeah, why? Just because one writer wrote her that way? Who says it's the definitive origin anyway? I don't think DC has ever said it was definitive, many people don't like Miller take on Batman for that very reason.

Again, everything else about that book was adopted into continuity EXCEPT black Selina. I'm pretty sure that it's the one when we're talking origins.

You wrote:

Hell, the ENTIRE NARROWS should be black and latino. Especially if we want to follow the whole "realism" bit. You show me one Major city slum, like Gotham's are portrayed to be, with a slew of white people in it. You want the REAL Selina Kyle? A Selina that comes from the REAL circumstances like what Gotham city slums have to offer? Than she should be black or latino or philipino.

First off lets get this straight. What are tou talking about? The comics or the films? I'm not sure you even know. The Narrows and "realism" is only part of the Batman Begins.

Second, why does the narrows have to be all black and latino? What are you saying here? Just because Selina comes from a troubled past why does she have to black? Why? I think you should take a real long look at wat you are saying here guy.

I'm talking about in the film. And no, I thought I clarified this but, I am fully aware that poverty is raceless. However, In America, the history of American ghettos, the majority of people living there are not white. So to the other guy who said that there are a plethora of white people in the ghetto. Sorry that's just not the way it is. Yes you can find white people, But you will never find a predominantly white ghetto. You show me one predominantly white American ghetto and I will kindly apologize. So if Selina is white and coming from the poor ass slums, than she must be that acception. I could believe that if it were to happen. Forgive me for the "all ethnic" thing. But, in reality, what I should have said is "mostly ethnic".

You wrote:

And it's okay for her to be black as long as she's got the prostitute origin?

I never said that. I hate that prostitute ****.

:word:I know you didn't say that. Somebody else said something that I took the wrong way. I think it's time we end this arguement and get back to just choosing people. We keep misquoting each other and ****. This is going nowhere fast. Plus, I found myself coming to the computer today DREADING coming in to this thread. I don't like feeling uncomfortable on a message board, I think that's something we can all agree on.
- Peace

[Ibn]

Is the race issue over yet?:(:csad:


I think so. I won't say anything more. I promise.

[David Rice]

:word:I know you didn't say that. Somebody else said something that I took the wrong way. I think it's time we end this arguement and get back to just choosing people. We keep misquoting each other and ****. This is going nowhere fast. Plus, I found myself coming to the computer today DREADING coming in to this thread. I don't like feeling uncomfortable on a message board, I think that's something we can all agree on.
- Peace

Yes, you are very right, I do agree! :woot:

[killingyouguy]

I still think it would work. But THAT sir is a fair and civilized arguement. In the end, I'm pretty much certain that she will be white in the movie. All I was saying that a black or whatever catwoman could work. But now that you've explained your comments, I better understand where your'e coming from. I was just basically telling my pick for Catwoman. That won't happen, but it's good to dream.

:word:I know you didn't say that. Somebody else said something that I took the wrong way. I think it's time we end this arguement and get back to just choosing people. We keep misquoting each other and ****. This is going nowhere fast. Plus, I found myself coming to the computer today DREADING coming in to this thread. I don't like feeling uncomfortable on a message board, I think that's something we can all agree on.
- Peace

I think so. I won't say anything more. I promise.

I win! :woot:

Just kidding, glad it's over. :cwink:

[TDK2186]

I'd like to see Rachel Weisz or Catherine Zeta-Jones as Catwoman. They can both actually act and it would be interesting to see them play roles that they normally don't.

[CaptainClown]

I don't think Rachel can pull off that attitude and Catherine Zeta I think would be a better Talia

[David Rice]

They're both too old for Catwoman

Yep! :woot:

[sabu41]

They're both too old for Catwoman

rachael is 36.. what are you wanting someone young like 19
to quote edgar friendly from demolition man not happening

[sabu41]

ok how about Natasha Lyonne she played in blade3

[batboy99]

rachael is 36.. what are you wanting someone young like 19
to quote edgar friendly from demolition man not happening
What the.... just cause he doesnt want someone 3 years older than bale, that automatically makes him want a teenager for catwoman:huh:

[Crook]

rachael is 36.. what are you wanting someone young like 19
to quote edgar friendly from demolition man not happening
Considering Selina won't be in this franchise for AT LEAST 3 years, we have to look at people in their low 30s at most. Otherwise, they'd be too old by the time filming comes out.

[EagleVision]

Considering Selina won't be in this franchise for AT LEAST 3 years, we have to look at people in their low 30s at most. Otherwise, they'd be too old by the time filming comes out.

I'm going to have to agree with u there. Being our beloved SHH favorite Angelina Jolie is at the ripe old age of 37, we might actually have to consider someone else other than her. It pains me to bring this up...

[Crook]

How fortunate she just turned 32. :dry:

[batboy99]

why does everyone think shes so old?? When I used to want her for ivy, someone said she was too old, i guess they thought she was in her 40's or something, shes the perfect age for selina, i dont get it...

[CaptainClown]

who? angelina?

[Crook]

Sí señor

[CaptainClown]

shes starting to look old.. it's not sexy.

[Crook]

Eh, I don't see it. The one thing I hate about her look right now is she's super-skinny. Other than that, she still looks gorgeous imo.

[Figs]

shes starting to look old.. it's not sexy.



Not just that but she seems to play that sultry, ****ty, sexy type in most of her movies. Her playing a character like catwoman wouldn't be that fresh in my eyes. I say go with someone else.

[CaptainClown]

Ya Fig your right she does, that is why I only see her as Angelina. And ya Drexx its the skinny look that makes her look no sexy.

[Two-Face]

Not just that but she seems to play that sultry, ****ty, sexy type in most of her movies. Her playing a character like catwoman wouldn't be that fresh in my eyes. I say go with someone else.


****ty? i don't think so, sexy yes and she can act.

[Crook]

Not just that but she seems to play that sultry, ****ty, sexy type in most of her movies. Her playing a character like catwoman wouldn't be that fresh in my eyes. I say go with someone else.
You must've hated Bale then, what with his knack for playing dark and tormented roles. :o

[Two-Face]

The Machinist nuff said.

[CaptainClown]

Bale acts different in his roles though.

[Crook]

Perhaps ya'll would like to enlighten me on how her last 5 roles were remotely the same.

:huh:

[CaptainClown]

I dunno about Angelina cause I really don't care but I think of that killer movie sex scene and Mr and Mrs. Smith I'll do research

[Crook]

A sex scene counts as defining a sexy/sultry/****ty role? News to me. :huh:

[Two-Face]

The Good Shepherd, Mr And Mrs Smith and A Mighty Heart are different characters she played she wasn't same in them.

[CaptainClown]

the good shepherd I got the vibe this is mom angelina. A mighty heart is her oscar movie she did well in that I won't debate that but she also copied someone who is alive vs. creating a new person which other actors can do, but in this case she had to.

The good shepherd was the same as Alexander she played the mom, I am sure Beowulf is going to be the same way.

Mr and Mrs. Smith was tomb raider but married

[Crook]

The logic in the last 2 examples is undefinable. :o

[Two-Face]

I'm looking forward to Wanted movie, she's in it with Morgan Freeman. :batty:

[CaptainClown]

How? When I saw her in Good Shepherd she was doing her Alexander role except with a different motive. She acted like a motherly figure which is cool but I still see Angelina. Then in Mr. and Mrs Smith it was a strong female who takes things into her own hands.
This is how I see it though, she never really appealed to me in acting.

[Crook]

How? When I saw her in Good Shepherd she was doing her Alexander role except with a different motive. She acted like a motherly figure which is cool but I still see Angelina.
Different motives + different accent, already equals different performance. Being a mother doesn't classify them as the same role.

If that were the case, I could say Patrick Bateman was Bruce Wayne without the killing, or John Preston was Batman without the suit and gadgets.

Then in Mr. and Mrs Smith it was a strong female who takes things into her own hands.
You realize how incredibly general that is, right?

This is how I see it though, she never really appealed to me in acting.
That's fine, I'm just pointing out my disagreements.

[batboy99]

ya, thats the only thing i dont like now, shes like 95 pounds now

[CaptainClown]

Well my argument is just casual not thought out. Ya I respect that you like her with that said.

When I ment the motherly figure her character doesn't jump out and just seems like this is what Angelina is like when she is a mom. I didn't see her as the character just like I said Angelina the mom..

The way to argue Patrick vs Bruce was Patrick had huge mood swings and had the sneer of disgust when he was around most people. That whole movie he had that disgusted look with everybody. Bruce was different (though I really didn't see him as Bruce Wayne more like Christian Bale)

Mr. and Mrs. Smith and her whole action sequence blends to me with her tom b raider franchise and just her acting in general. She is a strong female who has that look "THEY LOVE SEX" it is similar to her movie Taking Lives.

But remember these are my opinions of how I see her. I won't doubt her ability A mighty Heart is a good example but she never has shown to me as an amazing actress.

[Crook]

When I ment the motherly figure her character doesn't jump out and just seems like this is what Angelina is like when she is a mom. I didn't see her as the character just like I said Angelina the mom..
Both were relatively very small roles, but I'll delve into it a bit more.

Her role in 'Alexander' was a pretty controlling and manipulative wench, don't you think? Yes, she wanted the "best" for her son, but at the same time it was to be done her way. Not very "motherly" I'd say.

Her role in 'The Good Shepherd' was more of the traditional archetype of a work-at-home mother. Caring and loving to others around her. But even in this film, that aspect wasn't touched on much. I saw her character more as an "estranged wife" who has clearly lost touch of a relationship with her husband due to work. And in the flashbacks, a flirtacious girl who just wants to have fun.

Again, I see no similarities between those 2 roles.

The way to argue Patrick vs Bruce was Patrick had huge mood swings and had the sneer of disgust when he was around most people. That whole movie he had that disgusted look with everybody. Bruce was different (though I really didn't see him as Bruce Wayne more like Christian Bale)

Bale's "Bruce Wayne" wasn't much of a gentleman himself, at least to the public. He was very confident, and sometimes very snobbish. Like this look he gives at the hotel dinner when his peers are discussing Batman:

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/3658/picture2ey4.png

Or the unforgettable moment where he appears to be drunk and rudely demands his guests to leave the premises of the party.

Mr. and Mrs. Smith and her whole action sequence blends to me with her tomb raider franchise and just her acting in general. She is a strong female who has that look "THEY LOVE SEX" it is similar to her movie Taking Lives.
Well I think the sexual look is really just on Jolie's natural appearance, and doesn't necessarily apply to the role. Unless you make the effort to make her hideous, those seductive eyes and luscious lips aren't just gonna go away when the camera is rolling. :o

But remember these are my opinions of how I see her. I won't doubt her ability A mighty Heart is a good example but she never has shown to me as an amazing actress.
I can somewhat agree. I was beginning to doubt whether Jolie has it in her anymore, but her recent film certainly proves to me that she can embody a role if need be it.

Like with any actor that has skill, the right role has to come by to show people this. Jolie hasn't really gotten that in recent years, but the potential is certainly there I think.

[David Rice]

rachael is 36.. what are you wanting someone young like 19
to quote edgar friendly from demolition man not happening

By the time the movie is made she will be too old. Bale is like 33 now. You need someone his age.

[batboy99]

Jolie or theron :o :up:

[Two-Face]

Jolie or theron :o :up:



Did I say that's my top two choices?

[batboy99]

Huh?:confused:
what do i care if those are your top 2 choices ??

[Mr. Socko]

Huh?:confused:
what do i care if those are your top 2 choices ??


Translate: I agree man.


At least thats what I thought he meant.

[InvisibleWoman]

OK, another suggestion for Catwoman - this will no doubt be unpopular but I'm gonna throw it out there anyway.

The lovely CAMERON DIAZ. Probably not the best actress for the job, but definately alot better then some of the suggestions. I think she's a better actress then given credit for, and I think there's something very "Michelle Pfeiffer" about her. Anyway, now I'm gonna run and hide before all the bashing starts! Give her a chance though guys - please!

http://img154.imagevenue.com/loc721/th_39343_Photoshoot1_020_122_721lo.jpg (http://img154.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=39343_Photoshoot1_020_122_721lo.jpg) http://img182.imagevenue.com/loc121/th_39348_Photoshoot6_002-003_122_121lo.jpg (http://img182.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=39348_Photoshoot6_002-003_122_121lo.jpg)http://img45.imagevenue.com/loc951/th_39350_Photoshoot6_007-006_122_951lo.jpg (http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=39350_Photoshoot6_007-006_122_951lo.jpg)http://img155.imagevenue.com/loc1109/th_39356_Photoshoot6_007-007_122_1109lo.jpg (http://img155.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=39356_Photoshoot6_007-007_122_1109lo.jpg)

[CaptainClown]

Ya I am going to disagree. She ,for me that is, is the type of actress that doesn't really fall in place with the rest of the cast. I have also never been a fan of the blonde catwoman. She does have moderate acting chops, (Gangs of New York) but I think she still doesn't have what it takes to play Selina. Cameron is uh bubbly. I guess that is the best word to describe her attitude. I think she could do well in a Batman 89 Remake (but even that is debatable).

[Rorschach II]

BUT, with the casting of an Asian Ra's, that ain't happening.......so..... JOLIE FOR CATWOMAN!!!:D

In case you didn't catch the little twist at the end, Henri Ducard and Ra's Al Ghul were the same person. And that person was a British dude.

[batboy99]

OK, another suggestion for Catwoman - this will no doubt be unpopular but I'm gonna throw it out there anyway.

The lovely CAMERON DIAZ. Probably not the best actress for the job, but definately alot better then some of the suggestions. I think she's a better actress then given credit for, and I think there's something very "Michelle Pfeiffer" about her. Anyway, now I'm gonna run and hide before all the bashing starts! Give her a chance though guys - please!

http://img154.imagevenue.com/loc721/th_39343_Photoshoot1_020_122_721lo.jpg (http://img154.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=39343_Photoshoot1_020_122_721lo.jpg) http://img182.imagevenue.com/loc121/th_39348_Photoshoot6_002-003_122_121lo.jpg (http://img182.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=39348_Photoshoot6_002-003_122_121lo.jpg)http://img45.imagevenue.com/loc951/th_39350_Photoshoot6_007-006_122_951lo.jpg (http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=39350_Photoshoot6_007-006_122_951lo.jpg)http://img155.imagevenue.com/loc1109/th_39356_Photoshoot6_007-007_122_1109lo.jpg (http://img155.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=39356_Photoshoot6_007-007_122_1109lo.jpg)
bleh, i dont think shes that great looking either, and her acting is....ugh, i rather take Kate Beckinsale

[CaptainClown]

bleh, i dont think shes that great looking either, and her acting is....ugh, i rather take Kate Beckinsale

word :oldrazz:

[InvisibleWoman]

bleh, i dont think shes that great looking either, and her acting is....ugh, i rather take Kate Beckinsale

Really? I've never thought Kate Beckinsale was that good an actress! I think she's incredibly over rated and as she gets older, her looks aren't improving. She's looking a tad horsey nowadays.

But then again, it's not all about looks. I like the Batman films because they cast REAL people. Look at Maggie Gyllenhaal - not conventionally pretty, but a real woman. Why should Catwoman be any different?

I think Cameron could portray the same kookiness that Michelle Pfeiffer brought to the role. But as I said, I was pretty sure people wouldn't be into the idea of Cameron.

[Two-Face]

Diaz would be great Harley not Catwoman, I would love to see Diaz in a Batman film.

[batboy99]

Really? I've never thought Kate Beckinsale was that good an actress! I think she's incredibly over rated and as she gets older, her looks aren't improving. She's looking a tad horsey nowadays.

But then again, it's not all about looks. I like the Batman films because they cast REAL people. Look at Maggie Gyllenhaal - not conventionally pretty, but a real woman. Why should Catwoman be any different?

I think Cameron could portray the same kookiness that Michelle Pfeiffer brought to the role. But as I said, I was pretty sure people wouldn't be into the idea of Cameron.
that was the point
they are both blah actresses but if your gonna cast diaz, might as well take beckinsale who looks more like catwoman. go back to being a scarlett supporter, please

and no to diaz as Harley too, just keep her away from the batman movies.

[CaptainClown]

She is too bubbly a personality for that cast. Also no to Harley, wait I said this all on pg 160

[Jake Cassidy]

Carla Gugino would be a great Selina, if she wasn't in Watchmen, that is.

[Spider-Fan83]

has, Michelle Monaghan, been mentioned ?
I was watching that, kiss kiss bang bang, movie, and thought she could be pretty good in the role ?
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/1371/michellemocaulf62430524dj6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[batboy99]

Shes cute. Not sure if shed be right for catwoman but shes a pretty good actress.

[Nepenthes]

Rachel Weiss. Charlize Theron.

That's it.

[CaptainClown]

ew Rachel Weiss, she has good moments and then many really really bad moments in my book

[batboy99]

no rachel weiz, shes too old now for Selina, charlize theron is a big yes from me though

[CaptainClown]

Charlize could do it there is no doubt, I think she has the perfect attitude as well but I am still looking for someone better

[batboy99]

for me,based on looks,kate beckinsale is the best,but her acting is blah

Based on acting and looks, its a tie between theron and jolie, but jolie is like 80 pounds now, no thank you

[CaptainClown]

ya Jolie is looking sickly? Oh well Beckinsale has the look but she is a terrible actress

[batboy99]

I think people make beckinsale seem like the worst actress in the world, which she isnt, shes better then people say but shes still crap

And ya, unless angie gains alot of weight, keep her away, far,far,far away from catwoman

[az824]

hopefully she gains some weight so she can be "curvy" again

[batboy99]

ya exactly, then id give her a shot, like she was in tomb raider, she had a great bod then

[The Shredder]

Angelina at her Tomb Raider figure would own as Selina. Most definately.

[batboy99]

yup exactly

[Crook]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a86/Pritchard71/ONTD3/tomb_raider___angelina_jolie_middle.jpg

Come back to us Jolie. :(

[batboy99]

why does that fortminor song keep playing in my head lol

[The Shredder]

You too? :D

[batboy99]

lol yup

[killingyouguy]

Angelina at her Tomb Raider figure would own as Selina. Most definately.

Nah, I'd still prefer Charlize. She looks more like Selina Kyle and is a better actress. Less of a celeb as well.

Who would I rather spend a night with? Tomb Raider Angelina, lol. :cwink:

[CaptainClown]

Depends on which Selina you are talking about.

[az824]

To me every time i see a pic of selina in the comics its like jolie's staring back

[batboy99]

I like charlize for catwoman more but i think jolie looks more like catwoman, but based on looks, beckinsale owns all of the choices

[sabu41]

don't hold your breath for charlize... she's doing four movies

[IBN Al Xuffach]

Geez I can't believe someone actually put Jessica Biel up there fro Catwoman. I don't know what you people are smoking and i don't wanna know.

[CaptainClown]

tell that to the 13 people that voted for her.

[IBN Al Xuffach]

tell that to the 13 people that voted for her.
And that's who I'm talkin to

[az824]

I actually dont think backinsale looks like catwoman that much. i think she looks a lot more like talia

[Super_Ludacris]

Charlize Theron or Rosario Dawson.

Angelina Jolie will never want to do that role. Besides its too late now

[batboy99]

Why is it too late for jolie? Shes a year younger then blae you know, and i dont know if she would say no to it right away, shes been through more, like in beowulf where she was in cg body outfits for the whole filming

As for rosario, yup i still think shed be great if they want to make catwoman black

[Super_Ludacris]

She's done, and I honestly dont think she'll take the role anyway

I would like to see Megan Fox take it but she might just slightly too young. If she was lie 5 years older, she would be Selina Kyle

[CaptainClown]

She needs acting lessons

[az824]

The problem with rosario is that if people see that nolan's catwoman is black theyre going to associate it with berry's catwoman

[CaptainClown]

I don't care for Rosario, her acting in Sin City made me cringe. Especially the line "I tied those ropes, thats my specialty" ugh.. anyway for a black catwoman I would pick, http://imdb.com/name/nm1745736/

[az824]

I really like her but again black=berry=nolan

[Two-Face]

Charlize Theron or Rosario Dawson.

Angelina Jolie will never want to do that role. Besides its too late now


Well we don't know that, if she's approached then she said "no" fair enough until then we don't know.

[Super_Ludacris]

The problem with rosario is that if people see that nolan's catwoman is black theyre going to associate it with berry's catwoman

I know I'm not the only one who found this offensive:wow:

[Super_Ludacris]

Why does it not surprise me you liking her?:whatever:


I dunno,

Cause I'm not teh ghey:huh:

[Super_Ludacris]

Yeah, because being "teh ghey" means you can't distinguish a good sexy actress from a bad sexy actress.:dry:




Like the role of Selina Kyle needs to be played by a veteran actress of the old vic

[Super_Ludacris]

If Jessica Alba can work in this town, anyone can.

[Super_Ludacris]

It'll be fine though, Fox's sensualty works for a character like Kyle

Stop being the ugly sister..

[Super_Ludacris]

Look up Magic before you use it

[Super_Ludacris]

lol

aint you in full diva mode

kick rocks

Fox for Kyle in 2010 lol

[batboy99]

She's done, and I honestly dont think she'll take the role anyway

I would like to see Megan Fox take it but she might just slightly too young. If she was lie 5 years older, she would be Selina Kyle
:dry: i hope you didnt say megan fox, the chick cant act, she should be in porn

alba isnt that great either but shes far better then fox, fox is like cuthbert, both are smoking hot, can have any guy, or girl in the world but cant act to save their lives

If you think she can pull of selina, you obviously havent seen any of her movies or acting

[Super_Ludacris]

kick rocks= beat it

and no...get your mind out the gutter

[Super_Ludacris]

:dry: i hope you didnt say megan fox, the chick cant act, she should be in porn

Well I said no to her cause she was too young....but **** it why not lol

I really dont think it matters. Like I said it aint a strech of a role.

[Super_Ludacris]

Majik Lost lol

[batboy99]

Well I said no to her cause she was too young....but **** it why not lol

I really dont think it matters. Like I said it aint a strech of a role.dude, im sorry just stop, please megan cannot handle a role like that and why not? because a, she is too young,b, looks nothing like selina and c, she cant act!!!! Just go back to being a rosario and charlize supporter

im so thankful some people dont have anything to do with these movies, plus i dont get why people keep mentioning megan and cuthbert for every damn role, wonderwoman,batgirl,supergirl,powergirl,wondergirl etc Its annoying! And they both cannot act!

if megan could act, and if she wasa bit older, id give her a shot, why not, but no not now, shes basically cast as the sex symbol/eye candy, not for acting, i can tell you that much

[Super_Ludacris]

dude, im sorry just stop, please megan cannot handle a role like that and why not? because a, she is too young,b, looks nothing like selina and c, she cant act!!!! Just go back to being a rosario and charlize supporter

The reality is we will probably never see Catwoman during this franchise (and probably a good thing actually) so if I wanna dream of Megan in a catsuit, I can dream

You can remain pre-occupied with irrelevant matters like "acting chops" pfft who needs that when we have a Michael Bay ready actress :o :oldrazz:

[batboy99]

because acting matters in movies?:dry: hey, id love to see megan in a catsuit, but not in a batman movie

put her in porn i say

[Super_Ludacris]

because acting matters in movies?:dry: hey, id love to see megan in a catsuit, but not in a batman movie

put her in porn i say

Must you take this all seriously:woot:

Seriously though its not like Megan has been in a role that required her to act, so we dont know what she can do. She's pretty much just starting her career. I just co-sign on the count of the cat eyes.

[batboy99]

even from what shes been in, she still sucks, she cant act worth ****,but i wouldnt mind her in the cat outfit,just not in a batman movie

Ok we'll put it this way, we'd like to see her in the cat outfit, just not in a batman movie?hows that??Fair enough??She can be in one of those national lampoon movies lol

[killingyouguy]

don't hold your breath for charlize... she's doing four movies

When? Now? I don't think Catwoman will be in TDK.

As for future sequels after that, I don't even think Charlize knows what shes doing in 4+ years from now.

[batboy99]

exactly

[Super_Ludacris]

even from what shes been in, she still sucks, she cant act worth ****,but i wouldnt mind her in the cat outfit,just not in a batman movie

Ok we'll put it this way, we'd like to see her in the cat outfit, just not in a batman movie?hows that??Fair enough??She can be in one of those national lampoon movies lol

Shes only been in like what? A teen "comedy", supporting role on a bad sitcom and Transformers.

My whole thing is like she hasnt been in anything that gave her a chance to prove any range. Like if your in a good movie in a challenging multi-dimensional role and fail at that, then I can say "yeah you suck". Like I said she's too young for it, and Catwoman is not gonna happen so its all a moot point but I think in a Nolan film age 26-30 years old she wouldnt be the worst thing.

Now if you'll excuse me there's a Megan Fox thread I need to visit....

[batboy99]

Dude, even from what she played, she was still horrible in the roles, and they werent even hard roles, now if you arent very good in those kinda roles, im doubting she can handle a role like catwoman.just give up please, megan fox is hot but sucks at acting.You can just tell she has no range, just please, stop mentioning her for Catwoman.

[Super_Ludacris]

Dude, even from what she played, she was still horrible in the roles, and they werent even hard roles, now if you arent very good in those kinda roles, im doubting she can handle a role like catwoman.just give up please, megan fox is hot but sucks at acting.You can just tell she has no range, just please, stop mentioning her for Catwoman.

Nowadays I'm more intruiged by a so-called bad actress or actor getting a high profile role. Sometimes good actors who seem like a home run choice can coast and almost ending hamming it as a conseuquence (some may argue about that point about Spacey's Lex). So it is intresting when they got something to prove (Keaton, Ledger), I would certainly be more intruige by the development of a project then and when watching it. Even if they do suck I'm like "Well lets see what standard they gave"

[Ibn]

:dry: i hope you didnt say megan fox, the chick cant act, she should be in porn

alba isnt that great either but shes far better then fox, fox is like cuthbert, both are smoking hot, can have any guy, or girl in the world but cant act to save their lives

If you think she can pull of selina, you obviously havent seen any of her movies or acting

:woot::woot::trans:

[batboy99]

She should, she sucks as a hollywood actress, but is smoking hot.

[Super_Ludacris]

Glad you thought this out.........NAWT!

[batboy99]

:confused:.....
Well im sorry if i dont think shes right for catwoman

[The Shredder]

Nowadays I'm more intruiged by a so-called bad actress or actor getting a high profile role. Sometimes good actors who seem like a home run choice can coast and almost ending hamming it as a conseuquence (some may argue about that point about Spacey's Lex). So it is intresting when they got something to prove (Keaton, Ledger), I would certainly be more intruige by the development of a project then and when watching it. Even if they do suck I'm like "Well lets see what standard they gave"
A horrid actress/actor landing a high profile role isnt quite the same thing as a good actor/actress landing a high profile role, but wasnt the most obvious choice for the role. With Keaton and Ledger, they had already proved that they had the acting chops to be great actors before landing their respective roles with the Batman films. Now with Megan Fox, I havent seen anything remotely great about her acting that would lead me to believe she could possibly become in a few years a good fit with Nolan's Batman universe. And I honestly doubt I ever will.

[batboy99]

She can be one of bruce's hot dates :up:

[Super_Ludacris]

A horrid actress/actor landing a high profile role isnt quite the same thing as a good actor/actress landing a high profile role, but wasnt the most obvious choice for the role. With Keaton and Ledger, they had already proved that they had the acting chops to be great actors before landing their respective roles with the Batman films. Now with Megan Fox, I havent seen anything remotely great about her acting that would lead me to believe she could possibly become in a few years a good fit with Nolan's Batman universe. And I honestly doubt I ever will.

My thing is how can people judge a 21 year old actress who's done like what 2 films? And if that is the truth, then we at least know a good director helps an actor out majorly in a role ( Even Marlon Wayans got props for Requiem for a Dream). As far as Keaton and Ledger go, they got ridiculous amount of hate and some people even dismissed them as being crap actors ( Which I had HUUUGE debate about last year when Ledger was announced as the Joker. I was like since when is Ledger considered still to be a teen actor? Fans on the internet dissmiss people way too much on previous roles.). So like I said it wouldnt be absurd or bad especially with Nolan at the helm.

Its as simple as that.

[Super_Ludacris]

She can be one of bruce's hot dates :up:

Selina Kyle

[batboy99]

and she was on TV shows, even if she hasnt been in that much, you can tell if she isnt that good. Look, if she was a good actress, and was slightly older, i actually wouldnt mind her in all honesty,shes resembles Jolie in an odd way. But thats not the case.

Unless she gets acting lessons and becomes good, then no.

plus im getting sick of everyone mentioning the ''it'' girl for every role. Why werent people mentioning her before she was on Transformers? Because she wasnt a big starlet, and sh was already acting at that time. I think people just tend to choose the hollywood starlet and choose them if their hot. If thats the case, we could be picking singers for the roles.

[Two-Face]

I saw Transformers great movie all, Magen Fox is hot but can't act **** to save her like plus she's 10 years (not sure) younger than Bale.

[Super_Ludacris]

and she was on TV shows, even if she hasnt been in that much, you can tell if she isnt that good. Look, if she was a good actress, and was slightly older, i actually wouldnt mind her in all honesty,shes resembles Jolie in an odd way. But thats not the case.

Unless she gets acting lessons and becomes good, then no.

Well again a Sitcom doesnt require much, your still missing my point that a good director and a good writer who give some depth matter far more in a storyline that the actress itself. So its not that much of a sacrilige to suggest someone. Like these are points that Casting Agencys and production units discuss, I dont see why the kids here cant.



plus im getting sick of everyone mentioning the ''it'' girl for every role. Why werent people mentioning her before she was on Transformers? Because she wasnt a big starlet, and sh was already acting at that time. I think people just tend to choose the hollywood starlet and choose them if their hot. If thats the case, we could be picking singers for the roles.

Because she wasnt in anything big, just a sitcom and a teen comedy. So Transformers brought her to a wider audience.And keep in mind if you have an issue with her bring n that movie just to be hot, that says more about Michael Bay as a director (who has been criticqued MANY times for his use flash over substance and inadequate use of females in his movies. I mean look at Liv Tyler and Scarlett Johannnsen. They can act, but you wouldnt know from Bay's films. That's why he gets **** for it). Like I always a director has much more of an influence on a actor starting out than the actor themselves.
Anyways she going to be in this new film by Robert Weide based on Toby Young's novel "How to Alientate People and Lose Friends" with Simon Pegg, Jeff Bridges and Kirsten Dunst. So lets how it goes.

And if people are gonna stop about the "It" people for roles can we please stop mentioning Angelina Jolie for the role of Catwoman? It aint gonna happen.

[Super_Ludacris]

I saw Transformers great movie all, Magen Fox is hot but can't act **** to save her like plus she's 10 years (not sure) younger than Bale.

Well like I said if she was a bit older... I'm just raising the issue that the perception that she cant act aint really true.

[CaptainClown]

Transformers is the only evidence so far, whenever she would speak in Transformers I would cringe. I would have to see other stuff to know if she could. I think she is the kind of girl that would rather put 100 percent in a chick flick and put 10 percent in a guy film.

[Crook]

As it's already been stated, Fox is way too young for this role anyway. It's important to cast a WOMAN for this role, not a girl. I'm tired of seeing teeny boppers trying to play mature roles, when they don't even look the part.

In regards to her acting, I wouldn't say she's "bad", but I wouldn't say she's "good" either. Frankly, a major role like this shouldn't be given out to someone who's unproven, that's way too big of a risk. There's a big difference in giving it to someone who has the acting cred, and let it be their breakout role, as opposed to giving it to someone who has no acting merit.

I must admit though, Fox's face looks very suitable for the role. But it looks too young. In 10 years maybe.

But by then she'll be in porn (hopefully). So the catsuit isn't out of question in that biz. :o

[Super_Ludacris]

As it's already been stated, Fox is way too young for this role anyway. It's important to cast a WOMAN for this role, not a girl. I'm tired of seeing teeny boppers trying to play mature roles, when they don't even look the part.

In regards to her acting, I wouldn't say she's "bad", but I wouldn't say she's "good" either. Frankly, a major role like this shouldn't be given out to someone who's unproven, that's way too big of a risk. There's a big difference in giving it to someone who has the acting cred, and let it be their breakout role, as opposed to giving it to someone who has no acting merit.

I must admit though, Fox's face looks very suitable for the role. But it looks too young. In 10 years maybe.

But by then she'll be in porn (hopefully). So the catsuit isn't out of question in that biz. :o



Why cant you be here earlier for these arguments. You slackin my nig:cmad:

[Crook]

I would've replied sooner, but I didn't know the Fox argument would last longer than 3 or 4 posts. :o

And for the record, I'm still for Jolie. Trap that chick in a meat packing house for a week or so, and she'll come out with the body suitable for this role again. Lord knows her face is still banging. :up:

[Super_Ludacris]

I would've replied sooner, but I didn't know the Fox argument would last longer than 3 or 4 posts. :o

And for the record, I'm still for Jolie. Trap that chick in a meat packing house for a week or so, and she'll come out with the body suitable for this role again. Lord knows her face is still banging. :up:

Trap her in a meat house and while she is in there, she'll turn vegan, claim herself as a political prisoner, film a documentary called "They Forgot About Us Part 2" and adopt a rack of ribs and some lamb chops and affectionetly call them "Bay-Kon" and "Munton". They'll be sharing the cover of US weekly with mom next week..

[Mr. Socko]

More choices ppl.

[killingyouguy]

More choices ppl.

Not needed. Charlize Theron is it. :o

Can we get a mod to close the thread now? :cwink:

[Closerframe]

:cwink: Rachel Weisz

[killingyouguy]

:cwink: Rachel Weisz

*shudders*

[Two-Face]

Wiesz is an great actress, not for Catwoman/Selina but I would love to see in a Batman movie.

[ThatDamnNinja]

I'm gonna throw in Gretchen Mol's name just for the hell of it.

[turtlefocker]

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7318/05098meganfoxteenchoiceno8.jpg

[Two-Face]

No.

[batboy99]

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7318/05098meganfoxteenchoiceno8.jpg
in a few years and a million acting lessons later, then yes

Right now, no, shes too young and cant act

[sabu41]

Not needed. Charlize Theron is it. :o

Can we get a mod to close the thread now? :cwink:

i posted not happening she's doing movies

[batboy99]

Your point? Were in 2007, not 2010 or whenever the 3rd movie comes out

[Two-Face]

it comes out in Summer 2011 if Nolan wants to return for a third.

[batboy99]

exactly, its 2007, i bet she can have room for batman

[Mr. Socko]

2011 seems like a long time.

[sabu41]

i don't think so

[killingyouguy]

i posted not happening she's doing movies

i don't think so

She only has projects announced 'til 2009. A third Batman movie (if Catwoman is in a third) wouldn't probably be made until 2010/11. You have no idea whether she is too busy or not. And like I already said, neither does she probably. :o

[the_monk]

Sorry, I tried to search for a second sequel thread but the search function wasn't working right. If there's already a thread on Nolan's 3rd Batman film please merge this.

But BOF is reporting this:

"CINEMABLEND.COM says that while Two Face will be the main baddie in BATMAN 3 (SHADOW OF THE BAT?), The Joker will return and Catwoman will make her first appearance in a Bat-film since 1992 (Catwoman? Makes sense, and I've heard that as well). Click on the link provided for the full story."

I kind of like the idea of The Joker being used sort of as a Hannibal Lecter character in the 3rd film. But Catwoman too? Hmm...

I'll sit here and await the "OMG Teh Spideman 3 had 2many villainzzz!!!" responses.

[TromaFreak64]

Sorry, I tried to search for a second sequel thread but the search function wasn't working right. If there's already a thread on Nolan's 3rd Batman film please merge this.

But BOF is reporting this:

"CINEMABLEND.COM says that while Two Face will be the main baddie in BATMAN 3 (SHADOW OF THE BAT?), The Joker will return and Catwoman will make her first appearance in a Bat-film since 1992 (Catwoman? Makes sense, and I've heard that as well). Click on the link provided for the full story."

I kind of like the idea of The Joker being used sort of as a Hannibal Lecter character in the 3rd film. But Catwoman too? Hmm...

I'll sit here and await the "OMG Teh Spideman 3 had 2many villainzzz!!!" responses.

This pretty much matches with what people have been saying here for months, especially Miranda Fox.

[Fresh Tendrils]

There have been rumors concerning a cameo or name drop of Selina Kyle in TDK.

[Keyser Soze]

Sorry, I tried to search for a second sequel thread but the search function wasn't working right. If there's already a thread on Nolan's 3rd Batman film please merge this.

But BOF is reporting this:

"CINEMABLEND.COM says that while Two Face will be the main baddie in BATMAN 3 (SHADOW OF THE BAT?), The Joker will return and Catwoman will make her first appearance in a Bat-film since 1992 (Catwoman? Makes sense, and I've heard that as well). Click on the link provided for the full story."

I kind of like the idea of The Joker being used sort of as a Hannibal Lecter character in the 3rd film. But Catwoman too? Hmm...

I'll sit here and await the "OMG Teh Spideman 3 had 2many villainzzz!!!" responses.


Not sure if we should be taking this with a grain of salt, but it's certainly interesting.

If Catwoman shows up in the third film, does that suggest that Rachel Dawes might not survive "The Dark Knight"?

[Penismightier]

Not sure if we should be taking this with a grain of salt, but it's certainly interesting.

If Catwoman shows up in the third film, does that suggest that Rachel Dawes might not survive "The Dark Knight"?

Or it might suggest a love triangle in the third film.

[RKO]

Not sure if this is 100%, but I like. :yay:

Having The Joker return is major.