I Am Doom....discuss me [merged-2]

[The Navigator]

Then explain the first two panels above. ;) That was a shower-room, Vic.

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Just tryin' the funny. I'm down on Byrne since I recently learned the crappy things he said about Chris Reeve right after his passing. Although I sure did love that FF run...

[Herr Logan]

FOOLS! Doom does not perspire. Doom's natural scent is that of Key-lime pie and therefore showering is unneeded.

That explains these funny feelings I get when I'm near you.

Hey, if I smelled like pie, you'd feel funny too. :o

By the way, what did Byrne say about Christopher Reeve? :wolverine

[Head>On<Collider]

Well, OK, I should've said he was the ruler of a big-ass Imperial fleet and pulled off stunts Palpatine never could. (Death Star? Pfft! Please.)Well, I was actually agreeing with you.........meh
As for classic Doom being superior over Admiral Thrawn even, hasn't been an issue for me or anyone else I know thus far. I basically agree with you that Vic Van Damn and Frost's Dr.Doom is an impersonator who Thrawn would wipe his boots with............I know this by knowing VVDamn and Frosty's Doom well enough.

[Head>On<Collider]

You don't even want to know what JB said about Jessica Alba either.:joker:I do:)

[Iron Maiden]

By the way, what did Byrne say about Christopher Reeve? :wolverine
I recall there being an outcry after Christopher Reeve's death because Byrne said something on his MB about that what occurred to Reeve did not make him a hero. Since what happened to him was the result of an accident, he could not be called a hero since he was not a hero by choice. Peter David had a very thoughtful rebuttal on his own blog.

You don't even want to know what JB said about Jessica Alba either.:joker:

[The Navigator]

Well, I was actually agreeing with you.........meh
As for classic Doom being superior over Admiral Thrawn even, hasn't been an issue for me or anyone else I know thus far. I basically agree with you that Vic Van Damn and Frost's Dr.Doom is an impersonator who Thrawn would wipe his boots with............I know this by knowing VVDamn and Frosty's Doom well enough.

Oh, Ok, I misunderstood.

Glad to see we're on the same page. :):up:

[The Navigator]

I recall there being an outcry after Christopher Reeve's death because Byrne said something on his MB about that what occurred to Reeve did not make him a hero. Since what happened to him was the result of an accident, he could not be called a hero since he was not a hero by choice. Peter David had a very thoughtful rebuttal on his own blog.

You don't even want to know what JB said about Jessica Alba either.:joker:
What an ass. Totally missed the point.

[lockjaw]

I must know what Byrne's thoughts were about Alby, I'm sure I can guess, but I want quotes!!!!

[The Navigator]

Well, I guess it all depends on which meaning of "hero" one is using, but I think it's pretty easy to build a case that at least some of those definitions fit Reeve. His efforts and will to heal himself can be described as "heroic" and the research foundation he created can make a huge difference in people's lives as well as save them, which fits one of the main definitions of "hero." I understand the sentiment behind Byrne's position, which is presumably a resentment over the romanticization and misintepretation of accidents and the misguided celebration of victimhood, and I try to separate myself from the fact that Reeve was a huge influence on my passion for superhero fiction and that I've got an autographed picture of him at home cloud my judgment, but Byrne is an a$$hole. I probably never read his run on the Fantastic Four (I'm not a real big follower of FF comics, I just don't like to see anything created out of brilliance and true talent fall prey to the intellectual weakness of humanity and the cowardice of Hollywood), but from what else I've seen of his, his writing doesn't balance out his being a revisionist sleaze and an a$$hole. Reeve was an inspiration before his accident. He was an inspiration (to those open to inspiration, which no longer includes me) afterward. The words of Byrne and his ilk don't change that.

Okay, now I am curious as to what Nyrne had to say about Jessica Alba. Spill!
:wolverine

Nyrne probably said he wanted to hang out with his w@ng out. And he didn't want the policewoman or the maid to break character ever again.

[Herr Logan]

I recall there being an outcry after Christopher Reeve's death because Byrne said something on his MB about that what occurred to Reeve did not make him a hero. Since what happened to him was the result of an accident, he could not be called a hero since he was not a hero by choice. Peter David had a very thoughtful rebuttal on his own blog.

You don't even want to know what JB said about Jessica Alba either.:joker:

Well, I guess it all depends on which meaning of "hero" one is using, but I think it's pretty easy to build a case that at least some of those definitions fit Reeve. His efforts and will to heal himself can be described as "heroic" and the research foundation he created can make a huge difference in people's lives as well as save them, which fits one of the main definitions of "hero." I understand the sentiment behind Byrne's position, which is presumably a resentment over the romanticization and misintepretation of accidents and the misguided celebration of victimhood, and I try to separate myself from the fact that Reeve was a huge influence on my passion for superhero fiction and that I've got an autographed picture of him at home cloud my judgment, but Byrne is an a$$hole. I probably never read his run on the Fantastic Four (I'm not a real big follower of FF comics, I just don't like to see anything created out of brilliance and true talent fall prey to the intellectual weakness of humanity and the cowardice of Hollywood), but from what else I've seen of his, his writing doesn't balance out his being a revisionist sleaze and an a$$hole. Reeve was an inspiration before his accident. He was an inspiration (to those open to inspiration, which no longer includes me) afterward. The words of Byrne and his ilk don't change that.

Okay, now I am curious as to what Nyrne had to say about Jessica Alba. Spill!
:wolverine

[Zev]

I recall there being an outcry after Christopher Reeve's death because Byrne said something on his MB about that what occurred to Reeve did not make him a hero. Since what happened to him was the result of an accident, he could not be called a hero since he was not a hero by choice. Peter David had a very thoughtful rebuttal on his own blog.

There is just SO MUCH flawed with that logic... "He didn't CHOOSE to be paralysed from the neck down, yeah, what a schmuck."

[Herr Logan]

I hate my internet connection.

[Head>On<Collider]

I don't think John Byrne meant anything sh***y by his statement about Reeve. He's is, however, typical of one who who has enough eccentricities to be brilliant as far as his art goes, but eccentric enough of one who doesn't have the discernment to not say certain things that will easily be taken as an A**Hole statement..............BUT. He is ,however, also one who shows signs of being someone who is too arrogant to think before he speaks.

[The Navigator]

Yeah, pretty much. Jerk.

[Iron Maiden]

I don't think John Byrne meant anything sh***y by his statement about Reeve. He's is, however, typical of one who who has enough eccentricities to be brilliant as far as his art goes, but eccentric enough of one who doesn't have the discernment to not say certain things that will easily be taken as an A**Hole statement..............BUT. He is ,however, also one who shows signs of being someone who is too arrogant to think before he speaks.
Well, I probably should just direct everyone to the MB to read the statements made over there. I am a big Fan of some of his work on the X-Men with Claremont, the FF years and so on. But I have learned to separate the man from his work. Sometimes, the less you know the better off you are!:) :)

I don't want to misquote anything he said about Ms Alba and it would not be productive to rehash them over here since it was heavily discussed at other comic book MBs. But suffice it to say that as an artist who spent drawing Sue for 5 years he was underwhelmed by the casting choice.

[lockjaw]

As a child I loved Byrne. My love of his work on X-Men lead me to follow him to the Fantastic Four. He is my all-time favorite. That being said, how many comic heros go looking for there powers? How many have them thrust on them and they have to deal with it the best they can? Is that not the text-book "Hero"?


I don't think John Byrne meant anything sh***y by his statement about Reeve. He's is, however, typical of one who who has enough eccentricities to be brilliant as far as his art goes, but eccentric enough of one who doesn't have the discernment to not say certain things that will easily be taken as an A**Hole statement..............BUT. He is ,however, also one who shows signs of being someone who is too arrogant to think before he speaks.

[Head>On<Collider]

Yeah, pretty much. Jerk.BTW, He's a celebrity.
There are good ones and bad ones. Reeve was a good one as far as I'm concerned..... but as for almost all of them, as the saying goes.........

"Even though Mr. Bungle was funny to watch, he wouldn't be much fun to eat with. Phil knew that a Mr. Bungle wouldn't have many friends,....he wouldn't want to be like Mr. Bungle."
They may be entertaining but as far as who they are in person, A**HOLE!!!!
So goes with John Byrne.

[The Navigator]

BTW, He's a celebrity.
There are good ones and bad ones. Reeve was a good one as far as I'm concerned..... but as for almost all of them, as the saying goes.........

"Even though Mr. Bungle was funny to watch, he wouldn't be much fun to eat with. Phil knew that a Mr. Bungle wouldn't have many friends,....he wouldn't want to be like Mr. Bungle."
They may be entertaining but as far as who they are in person, A**HOLE!!!!
So goes with John Byrne.

I guess. I guess "Year One" proved that well enough.

[Head>On<Collider]

Well, I probably should just direct everyone to the MB to read the statements made over there. I am a big Fan of some of his work on the X-Men with Claremont, the FF years and so on. But I have learned to separate the man from his work. Sometimes, the less you know the better off you are!:) :) .Like I said,..............."Even though Mr. Bungle was funny to watch, he wouldn't be much fun to eat with. Phil knew that a Mr. Bungle wouldn't have many friends,....he wouldn't want to be like Mr. Bungle."

[Head>On<Collider]

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[Iron Maiden]

Awesome scene of Sue and Doom facing off. I wish we had some of the dialogue to go with it.

[Kelly]

Awesome scene of Sue and Doom facing off. I wish we had some of the dialogue to go with it.

I was wondering what you would think of that IM....Frost described it as a bittersweet battle.....

[Dr. MIX]

Sweet, this movie's looking better every day!

[GoblinScrier]

I taped the TRL trailer and have watched it several times over, putting the images on slow-motion and please tell me if my eyes deceived me, but his majesty Dr. Doom, at the end of the trailer is running, and there is a cape flowing behind him ?

His stance with Sue looks Fantastic ! The whole trailer looks great ! It appears that my favorite superhero team is going to get their proper screen treatment !

Can't wait until tomorrow when I go see Elektra !

[Sardaukar]

Scene looks good.

Even if I can't get past the lightning.

[Iron Maiden]

I was wondering what you would think of that IM....Frost described it as a bittersweet battle.....

I'm still not 100% sold on the romance angle but I think it may work as a compromise. It would be too overwhelming to new fans to bring in the true third member of the triangle - - which was Prince Namor of Atlantis - -so I am willing to keep an open mind on things. The Spider-Man movie just concentrates on the Peter - MJ romance. It doesn't bring up Gwen Stacy, Liz Allen or Betty Brant (although she had a very minor appearance) as his prior romantic interests and it didn't harm the film any.

[Iron Maiden]

I taped the TRL trailer and have watched it several times over, putting the images on slow-motion and please tell me if my eyes deceived me, but his majesty Dr. Doom, at the end of the trailer is running, and there is a cape flowing behind him ?

His stance with Sue looks Fantastic ! The whole trailer looks great ! It appears that my favorite superhero team is going to get their proper screen treatment !

Can't wait until tomorrow when I go see Elektra !

I don't know about a cape, I think it is more like Magneto's overcoat look. Or similar to the style of the Matrix costumes. Still, it looks good from what I can see. A while back, one guy on another board claimed to have seen early footage of McMahon as Doom and said he carried himself in a very artistocratic manner. I really want to see the full trailer now, I want words to go with the pictures!!

[JulianM.Fan]

Julian is totally going to take this film:) As my first post here of course it has to be in a Dr. Doom thread.

[Iron Maiden]

Julian is totally going to take this film:) As my first post here of course it has to be in a Dr. Doom thread.

:)

I think it will be real fun to see any scenes he has with the Thing since he and Michael are such buddies off screen.

Hey, let's be sure to check him out this weekend at the Golden Globes. He will probably get the red carpet visit to Joan Rivers (ugh) Remember, we got two "Fantastic" guys going for the prize, with Michael Chiklis being in the running also.

[Kelly]

I'm still not 100% sold on the romance angle but I think it may work as a compromise. It would be too overwhelming to new fans to bring in the true third member of the triangle - - which was Prince Namor of Atlantis - -so I am willing to keep an open mind on things. The Spider-Man movie just concentrates on the Peter - MJ romance. It doesn't bring up Gwen Stacy, Liz Allen or Betty Brant (although she had a very minor appearance) as his prior romantic interests and it didn't harm the film any.

Ok...I gotcha.... I was really interested in your take....I think it adds more than it detracts....mainly because.....I think there will be more to Doom than just this romance.....maybe the Frost script didn't show that....but I think Kinberg is good enough to have fixed that problem....and I really respect the fact that you are thinking of the new fans.....I so respect you guys and your love of Doom I really do....but I still think that the writers, director, and producers have to think of the new fans...and mainstream fans....damn it I want a sequel .... and unless that audience is thought of....we won't have one....

[The Navigator]

Ok...I gotcha.... I was really interested in your take....I think it adds more than it detracts....mainly because.....I think there will be more to Doom than just this romance.....maybe the Frost script didn't show that....but I think Kinberg is good enough to have fixed that problem....and I really respect the fact that you are thinking of the new fans.....I so respect you guys and your love of Doom I really do....but I still think that the writers, director, and producers have to think of the new fans...and mainstream fans....damn it I want a sequel .... and unless that audience is thought of....we won't have one....

OK, is there a part in the movie where Doom's sleeves rip so we can see his metallic arms? Or, put another way, where he looks more like comic Doom in appearance?

[Kelly]

OK, is there a part in the movie where Doom's sleeves rip so we can see his metallic arms? Or, put another way, where he looks more like comic Doom in appearance?

As far as the Frost script....honestly no....because the script pretty much ended at the end of the 2nd act....and his appearance to Doom doesn't come until the 3rd act....


Now....I'm only going by my Doom counterparts here.......appearance is definitely Doom....but some are not happy with the Elektro image of him with electricity......

You are not talking to a Doom expert here by any means....LMAO......BUT.....I think I can speak for "some" of the mainstream audience in that respect.....

[The Navigator]

As far as the Frost script....honestly no....because the script pretty much ended at the end of the 2nd act....and his appearance to Doom doesn't come until the 3rd act....


Now....I'm only going by my Doom counterparts here.......appearance is definitely Doom....but some are not happy with the Elektro image of him with electricity......

You are not talking to a Doom expert here by any means....LMAO......BUT.....I think I can speak for "some" of the mainstream audience in that respect.....

I liked how Doom looked except for the sleeves. If he had something more along the lines of Bruce Willis' shirt in the second half of Die Hard, I'd be happier. He just looks....odd that way.

As for the electricity.....I don't know. That could be repulsor rays if we're lucky, just spiffed up more. I kinda doubt it, but we can hope.

[Iron Maiden]

I liked how Doom looked except for the sleeves. If he had something more along the lines of Bruce Willis' shirt in the second half of Die Hard, I'd be happier. He just looks....odd that way.

As for the electricity.....I don't know. That could be repulsor rays if we're lucky, just spiffed up more. I kinda doubt it, but we can hope.


Well, I am such a Doom geek :D I happen to have the specs on his armor, which are included on the box that the Bowen statue comes with. Keep in mind, they were created a while back as part of the Official Marvel Handbook series that came out back in the 1980's when Byrne was doing the FF. He did a cutaway view to show the schematics and all.

thermonuclear power generator
gauntlet blasters with energy discharge mixing chambers - this is probably what the movie is trying to simulate.
force field generator array - in most recent stories it even is more powerful than Sue's
liquid oxygen fuel tanks
various amplifier motors to facilitate movement
9mm broom handle Mauser - my favorite. I guess he dusts off the more insignificant nuisances with that one.
Since that early diagram, other power displays have included

Transmaat transporter device, although he appears to have used something similar way back in FF#10. But the current version requires a terminal device at the other end, which is why he was trapped in the Franklinverse for a while. With this he is able to transport himself vast distances.
Chronal technology. In the past, the time platform performed this function. Yet in the Heroes Return story, he does time jumps without it. Also demonstrated in Walt Simonson's innovative story in FF#352 that shows Reed and Doom in a duel thru time.
I am still hoping the film shows more of this kind of technology on Doom's part. At least we know that Reed and Ben go to him because he created the space station. They need to show that he is at least Reed's equal - - although some of us think that Doom's mystical skills give him a slight edge in the comics.

[The Navigator]

I'm hoping they show more of Doom's "bare" arms, pesonally.

[GoblinScrier]

Well, saw the trailer today with Elektra, and I loved it ! The sinister face of Victor in the parking garage was just creepy ! What if the "deformity" is his arm and something that messes with his face that allows him to just shoot his rays and he has to build the armor to cover the rest of his body (e.g. the mask). Also, it has been said that he will have his cape so even if he has a trench coat type material, maybe he gets it at the end, especially since Threshold said the Latveria connection is a payoff at the end, than that could mean that he plans on or succeeds and becomes monarch of Latveria, thus he has a cape ?

[The Navigator]

Is that trailer on the internet now?

[Kelly]

Is that trailer on the internet now?

Not the full trailer....

[The Navigator]

So, not the one you saw in theaters, then?

Crapshoot.

[Kelly]

So, not the one you saw in theaters, then?

Crapshoot.


Right...

[The Navigator]

Ah, well.

[Lightning Strykez!]

So, not the one you saw in theaters, then?

Crapshoot.

There are elements of what was shown in the TRL footage sewn throughout the trailer. But the trailer shown tonight at Elektra has a much more polished look to it. It actually tells the story and the essence of the characters in rapid-succession. The sequence of scenes in the TRL stuff is not in the same order as the trailer. There is much, much more action, i.e. Thing throwing a car and more with Reed.

Here's what freaked me out: I just can't get over how DAMN SWEET Dr. Doom looked. There's a good head-and-shoulders close-up shot of him in mask, complete with the green hood on, and the gold medalions/chains on his chest. You just KNEW who it was when it showed that because the costume is so close to the comic. Think Corman but with a new, updated sleek look--the way Victor is supposed to look with a decent budget for his wardrobe.

And when Victor went up to the guy in the parking structure with the bolts of lightning streaming off his hands, even I (who am still not 100% sold on the Dark Emperor/Electro-Man approach) was left thinking, "Damn. That just MIGHT work."

Fingers crossed. ;)

[The Navigator]

Indeed.

[Iron Maiden]

Here's what freaked me out: I just can't get over how DAMN SWEET Dr. Doom looked. There's a good head-and-shoulders close-up shot of him in mask, complete with the green hood on, and the gold medalions/chains on his chest. You just KNEW who it was when it showed that because the costume is so close to the comic. Think Corman but with a new, updated sleek look--the way Victor is supposed to look with a decent budget for his wardrobe.

And when Victor went up to the guy in the parking structure with the bolts of lightning streaming off his hands, even I (who am still not 100% sold on the Dark Emperor/Electro-Man approach) was left thinking, "Damn. That just MIGHT work."

Fingers crossed. ;)

Gee, maybe my movie prediction has already been proven correct - - Doom whacks a flunky with his powers. I admit that's like predicting George Bush will mangle the Queen's English in a speech this year. :D

With a Magneto movie already in the planning stage, I wonder if Doom will merit the same treatment.

[The Navigator]

If it does, I hope it details his ascent to power in Latveria and his unique code of ethics.

"My only command for the people was to be happy" should be in there somewhere.

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

A movie chronicling Doom's rise from Gypsy vagabond as a boy to World Conqueror would be the greatest epic ever filmed!

[The Navigator]

And considerably more interesting than "Troy." Gee, wonder what's in the wooden horse...

[Sardaukar]

And considerably more interesting than "Troy." Gee, wonder what's in the wooden horse...

Yeah, that was a bull**** movie.

WTF were they thinking?

[The Navigator]

I don't know, I guess it was supposed to be the next Titanic.....you know the ending, but you go see it a billion times anyway.

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Guys, I've lost count of how many times I've read the ILIAD. If I ever have a son, his middle name will be Achilles. I feel that it is the greatest story ever told because it presents every element of what we have come to know as storytelling. (particularly Robert Fagles' translation) I really enjoyed the movie and felt that it captured some of the characterizations. Obviously there was a lot of ret-con and filler for modern audiences, but I thought it was great.

[JulianM.Fan]

Saw the whole trailer tonight in Elektra which in my opinion was great. Doom creeped me out in the parking garage. Julian will really take this and hit it out of the park. Years of playing Cole and Christian helps!:) I really do hope he wins a Golden Globe...Chiklis already won one;)

[GoblinScrier]

Again, the whole "corporate businessman" angle really made me mad, when it was first announced. As a Doom fanatic, it was just enough to put me in an early grave, when the concept of him not having an explosion ruin his face, expelled from college, monks taking him in and forging his armor in the fires of hell, and going back to Latveria to conquer his homeland, wasn't going to happen.

Now, I sit back after months of postings, e-mails, and our good friend Threshold and this is the conclusion I reach:

With Threshold's words of wisdom and what we know about the plot involving Doom:

Doom and Richards (along with the rest of the F4) go into space, Doom and Richards are bitter rivals, Doom blames Reed, Doom gains organic armor and the ability to shoot force bolts (much like the devices he would devise in his armor). That of course leaves the idea that he designs the mask and perhaps other parts of the armor (possible weapon enhancements, etc.). Confirmed is that HE has the CAPE (not just a coat like material but the actual Doom cape). His look is very close to the comics.

Attitude and ambitions ? He is a corporate business man who runs Von Doom Industries who holds a secret: he knows he is the heir to the throne of Latveria but a military coup (by the way THRESHOLD, is this done in a flashback showing him having to leave Latveria or is it mentioned in passing) took over his country and he was smuggled into America. Wealth from Latveria was sent to him which allowed him to build a corporate world here in the USA.

Now with that type of wealth, he was probably going to try to gain control of his country in a "legal" way but when he becomes Dr. Doom, by right of conquest, he takes over the country (this is what I believe the ending of the movie for Doom will be or something very similar since Threshold said that Latveria is mentioned a little bit in the movie and then the BIG payoff is at the end, and what happens (who knows ?) begs for a sequel. On top of that, he "curses" Richards name (You know the Doom ritual: Doom does something, Richards interferes, and he yells, "Richards !!!!")

Then, there is a completely new part to Doom's personality and that is his affection for Susan Richards. This could prove interesting where not only does he hates Richards for the accident, but it may not be as cut as "she loves him and not me" and Doom really ups his hatred for the team !

I am just saying that if it wasn't for Threshol, I would be completely bent out of shape, but he has brought me down to Earth and calmed me. Furthermore, after everything he has said, I feel that Doom has a fighting chance to be a very memorable villain in the pantheon of great villains (e.g. Darth Vader, Goldfinger, etc.)

[TheSaintofKillers]

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Edit: I though Doom was seeing his reflection in that pic. But it seems that he's probably just toasting a puny humans, which doesn't prove anything actually. Oh well.

[Doom Disciple]

Hello fellow Doomers - first post here. Sorry to make it a negative one, but here goes:

Sard's is certainly a far better story idea than the one I just saw in the trailer. This trailer, in the first 15 seconds, virtually assured that I will protest by not going to see the movie. As usual, movie execs, ignorant and uncaring writers have taken perhaps the greatest villain in all of comics and trashed him. The character and background of Dr. Doom was interesting and cool for decades before these guys got hold of it and only vanity and ego on a scale with the real Doom would spur them to wreck the story by changing it to something stupid like they've done.

[Kelly]

Hello fellow Doomers - first post here. Sorry to make it a negative one, but here goes:

Sard's is certainly a far better story idea than the one I just saw in the trailer. This trailer, in the first 15 seconds, virtually assured that I will protest by not going to see the movie. As usual, movie execs, ignorant and uncaring writers have taken perhaps the greatest villain in all of comics and trashed him. The character and background of Dr. Doom was interesting and cool for decades before these guys got hold of it and only vanity and ego on a scale with the real Doom would spur them to wreck the story by changing it to something stupid like they've done.


Welcome to the hype DD....

[Herr Logan]

Hello fellow Doomers - first post here. Sorry to make it a negative one, but here goes:

Sard's is certainly a far better story idea than the one I just saw in the trailer. This trailer, in the first 15 seconds, virtually assured that I will protest by not going to see the movie. As usual, movie execs, ignorant and uncaring writers have taken perhaps the greatest villain in all of comics and trashed him. The character and background of Dr. Doom was interesting and cool for decades before these guys got hold of it and only vanity and ego on a scale with the real Doom would spur them to wreck the story by changing it to something stupid like they've done.

Welcome to the Hype, bub. :wolverine

[The Lizard]

I just hope the silly "Doombot" angle doesn't get used. Robot doubles are pretty much in the realm of parody at this point.

[Herr Logan]

I'm OK with what I've seen of Doom so far.

I just hope the silly "Doombot" angle doesn't get used. Robot doubles are pretty much in the realm of parody at this point.

Everything about Dr. Doom is in the realm of parody at this point. That's no excuse to leave anything essential to the character out of the movie.

That's almost as bad as Sam Raimi giving that unforgivably lame excuse for not giving Spider-Man more than one or two lines of good dialogue per movie-- something about how the "wisecracking hero" has been done to death in movies. Yeah, it's okay for Ash, but it's not okay for the most witty, prominent and legendary wisecracking hero in the entire 20th century. :rolleyes:

No offense to you, Liz. I'm just sick of the way these studio a$$holes waste golden opportunities practically every damn time. :wolverine

[The Lizard]

I guess I just don't consider the whole "FF gets fooled by a Doom lookalike robot" scenario as essential to Doom's character even though it happened all the time in the comics. Yeah, Victor is a genius in robotics, but there's plenty of ways that can be shown. Doom should say "Bah!" at some point though. :)

Now, if the movie Thing yells "It's asskickin' time!" instead of "It's clobberin' time!", then THAT'S something to send letterbombs to the studio over.

[Kelly]

Doom should not be on the second page...

[Herr Logan]

I guess I just don't consider the whole "FF gets fooled by a Doom lookalike robot" scenario as essential to Doom's character even though it happened all the time in the comics. Yeah, Victor is a genius in robotics, but there's plenty of ways that can be shown. Doom should say "Bah!" at some point though. :)

Now, if the movie Thing yells "It's asskickin' time!" instead of "It's clobberin' time!", then THAT'S something to send letterbombs to the studio over.

If Doom is a cagey mastermind instead of a pathetically written vengeful CEO, then i expect to see a robot duplicate instead of some half-assed "is he dead?" ending. :wolverine

[Head>On<Collider]

If Doom is a cagey mastermind instead of a pathetically written vengeful CEO, then i expect to see a robot duplicate instead of some half-assed "is he dead?" ending. :wolverineI actually subscribe to them using the Sentinels here.;) :up:

[Iron Maiden]

I'd certainly like to see some of Victor's mastery of robotics brought to play. We comic book fans yawn every time a Doom appearance turns out to be just another Doombot but the movie fans may not be that familiar with that particular skill. It would be one way to compensate for the rumored organic armor, demonstrating that Doom does not just have some freakish power but also is an engineering and technological genius. I really would like to see him mention something of his family background, too. Doom attributed his early interest in robotics to his grandfather, a gypsy who hand-carved the old style marionettes.

It would be cool if they used something like the Omnibots used in the last Doom arc that Lee and Kirby worked on. Even when the Thing clobbered one to bits, the pieces would act independantly and continue to attack the target. I'd think of a different name for the series of robots though. I think some of them were later called Dreadnaught class robots in the Heroes Return comics.


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[Head>On<Collider]

It would be cool if they used something like the Omnibots used in the last Doom arc that Lee and Kirby worked on. Even when the Thing clobbered one to bits, the pieces would act independantly and continue to attack the target. I'd think of a different name for the series of robots though. I think some of them were later called Dreadnaught class robots in the Heroes Return comics.





Like the original Terminator(T-800 Model 101) in non stop attack mode.

[Iron Maiden]

Like the original Terminator(T-800 Model 101) in non stop attack mode.

Yeah, more proof that Lee and Kirby were ahead of the curve.


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[Head>On<Collider]

Yeah, more proof that Lee and Kirby were ahead of the curve.




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I also would like to mention the similarities between Transformers and Sentinels. Also the cyborg/ cybergenetics craze.

[Herr Logan]

I actually subscribe to them using the Sentinels here.;) :up:

Wait... why? Sentinels are mutant-hunters, not Doom-bots.

And why did you change your name? Why can't you people make things easy on the hairy little scrapper with chronic memory loss?? :wolverine

[Kelly]

Bumping to the front page

[Head>On<Collider]

Wait... why? Sentinels are mutant-hunters, not Doom-bots.

And why did you change your name? Why can't you people make things easy on the hairy little scrapper with chronic memory loss?? :wolverineOh, for sure, Herr Logan ........I don't think it would hurt to give the credit of the sentinels usage to Doom's usage. It could be a good tie to Gen. Stryker's appearance. It would also be a good twist for Doom' to show his diplomatic practices as an official ambasador living here in the USof frickin'A. He better show some damn respect to us, no matter what country he's from!:wolverine
But It's just wishful thinking I guess. Even though I 'm a big fan of B-movies, thus making me enjoy what people call bombers like Elektra(they hate that movie here btw);) . If I can enjoy the Evil Dead, Naked Lunch and Trilogy of Terror, I can enjoy Elektra and no one can tell me a damn thing about it, even though I can respectfully see why so many people would despise it the way they do; I would like to note however, that if they think Elektra is so bad, then there's nothing to make them look forward to F4, being that Simon Kinberg wrote the final draft for both movies.;)The difference is A list and B list. A-list movies deserve bashing when they're down at Elektra's level. Cino was an A list DC movie, but as for F4, most of these fans here are now in a catch22.:joker:
Back on topic, the sentinels were left out of X2 because of budget reasons. Nows their chance. Doom is yet in power as far I hear, and the latest news is that Latveria's mentioning is in the movie now. Supposedly Doom is at a low point in his life in this movie according to insiders and is yet to realize his absolute dictatorship...........meh. One of Marvel's signatures throughout their fame is cross-meeting their heros and Villains. Gen Stryker would be in proper character in donating his sentinels to Doom's cause until Doom crerats his Doombots, and there's not enough time within this movie ..........maybe there is (combo maybe). If Doom would serve Stryker's purpose, then Doom being in such a low point in his great life here:rolleyes: , then they can write a better cameo for General Stryker than just a picture of the two shaking hands. Stryker would see the F4 as mutants.
As for my name, when I first joined here, I realized I made a mistake seeing that my user name should of really been "Orange9mm". It basically means thought's that live and strike people with meaning rather than just blab stuff that means nothing. It's a challenging term to helm. Jimi Hendrix used the term. There's even an outstanding band named Orange9mm from NY that used the term as their name. The name, the way I see it, beats the crap out of Flight26. Thank you mod (you know who you are) :up:

[Sardaukar]

I've always liked the idea of a pre-Latverian Doom as a billiionaire weapons manufacturer for governments around the world, creating military robots and other fantastic weapons for whoever the hell wants them.

He could have provided the blueprints for the Sentinel program, but let guys like Bolivar Trask see it to the end.

I think that would be immensely cool.

One point I found interesting about reading the early issues of FF is that Stan and Jack really emphasized Doom's awesome ability to create robotic life.

The movie(s) should pay homage to that in some way.

[Sardaukar]

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Edit: I though Doom was seeing his reflection in that pic. But it seems that he's probably just toasting a puny humans, which doesn't prove anything actually. Oh well.

No. But it doesn't disprove anything, either. :(

I'm fully expecting (but not anticipating) organic armor/lightning-shooting Doom.

[The Navigator]

Here's what I'm expecting (look at the first two on this page):

http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=333&p=10

[Head>On<Collider]

Here's what I'm expecting (look at the first two on this page):

http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=333&p=10
:up: It's AlbaFan!!!:) :doom:

[Herr Logan]

Last week, a friend of mine who isn't even much of a comics fan (but knows a lot about the characters just from hearing me rattle on like the fanboy I am over several years' time) had a dream about a daycare center run by Dr. Doom.

Heh, just the thought cracks me up.
"You wish to see your mother? Bah! For what possible reason? Are my nanny/enforcer droids not sufficiently equipped to keep you insolent whelplings from climbing the tapestries and drowing in your own sputum??" :doom:

:wolverine

[Head>On<Collider]

Roflmao

[snazzy J]

I've always liked the idea of a pre-Latverian Doom as a billiionaire weapons manufacturer for governments around the world, creating military robots and other fantastic weapons for whoever the hell wants them.

He could have provided the blueprints for the Sentinel program, but let guys like Bolivar Trask see it to the end.

I think that would be immensely cool.

One point I found interesting about reading the early issues of FF is that Stan and Jack really emphasized Doom's awesome ability to create robotic life.

The movie(s) should pay homage to that in some way.
I'd be cool with a weapons-manufacturing Doom, as long as he secretly builds in devices that allow him to take control when he finds it necessary.

[snazzy J]

Guys, I've lost count of how many times I've read the ILIAD. If I ever have a son, his middle name will be Achilles. I feel that it is the greatest story ever told because it presents every element of what we have come to know as storytelling. (particularly Robert Fagles' translation) I really enjoyed the movie and felt that it captured some of the characterizations. Obviously there was a lot of ret-con and filler for modern audiences, but I thought it was great.
You shouldn't have to settle for some when you could have all. That would be like settling with our movie Doom, which I know you wouldn't like to do. I haven't read the Iliad (only most of the Odyssey), but I know they changed a lot (ie: no gods, length of the war, Agamemnon's death, Achilles's gayness).

[The Navigator]

Yeah, it sounded crappy.

[The Navigator]

I just watched the trailer.

I have very little faith in this movie. :( The candy-ass wording didn't help much.

[Underdawg]

blasphemy

[The Navigator]

Sorry, but I don't. This movie looks terrible, and Doom looks worse.

[Head>On<Collider]

I just watched the trailer.

I have very little faith in this movie. :( The candy-ass wording didn't help much.This trailer is 100% eye candy. If we took the original 70's Superman trailer, updated the action and high res,; and then compare the two, well,if we all were to be a little objective here................

[The Navigator]

This trailer is 100% eye candy. If we took the original 70's Superman trailer, updated the action and high res,; and then compare the two, well,if we all were to be a little objective here................

....Superman would kick this movie's film reeled ass. :up:

[Head>On<Collider]

....Superman would kick this movie's film reeled ass. :up:.....well, in all fairness I still need to see the whole movie in it's entirety until I'm sure that "all the signs were there" (an innocent until proven guilty thing) and I agree, it kind of boils down to Brian Michael Bendis and others who undid all of Stan and Jacks hard work and so forth...........had BMB had his way, Doom in the movie would indeed have goat's legs. Where else did they get the idea of all 5 of them being in the accident!?

[The Navigator]

I don't know. Maybe that was for expediency, but I saw nothing wrong with Doom's intro in the comic books. A sudden appearance and flashback would only enhance his cold, detached nature from the world, sealed away in himself.

[Head>On<Collider]

I don't know. Maybe that was for expediency, but I saw nothing wrong with Doom's intro in the comic books. A sudden appearance and flashback would only enhance his cold, detached nature from the world, sealed away in himself.You should've seen the flames when I argued that same point with "Guyatwork" a few months back.......damn!

[The Navigator]

Where can I find these "flames?"

[Head>On<Collider]

Where can I find these "flames?"I think this was back in October, here in th good old F4 threads....... I'll look for it now .....give me a few minuits.

[The Navigator]

You got it. :up:

[Head>On<Collider]

You got it. :up:the threads go back to only 7 pages and all the old ones that far must've been removed or something , plus all my posts only go 500 posts back:( Anyway, him and others were arguing that movies "always" need origin stories for every character. One of my arguments was Vader. Sure Vader now has his own origin story but that's years later now. Had Starwars failed, we wouldn't have even had an Empire Strikes back. I thought that was a perfect example of no origin for the movie, just a brief storytelling is sufficient.

[The Navigator]

Exactly.

This is why I love Batman--we don't get the origin until later.

[Head>On<Collider]

Exactly.

This is why I love Batman--we don't get the origin until later.Batman 1 ruled!I kind of sneered at them doing the origin with Catwoman and Penguin in BReturns. The first movie is one of my favs but after that BRet showed a little too much emphasis on the villains' origins.

[Herr Logan]

"Batman: Mask of the Phantasm" remains the best Batman movie of them all. I don't care what you people say. :o

:wolverine

[The Navigator]

Batman 1 ruled!I kind of sneered at them doing the origin with Catwoman and Penguin in BReturns. The first movie is one of my favs but after that BRet showed a little too much emphasis on the villains' origins.
And the ending sucked. He should have kicked the Penguin's ass, and knocked out Shreck, if he's gonna unmask himself. It's not like he didn't have the tools or the talent. All he was missing, I guess, was the Miller time.

[The Navigator]

"Batman: Mask of the Phantasm" remains the best Batman movie of them all. I don't care what you people say. :o

:wolverine

Except for a couple plot problems I have with it, I agree. :up:
Well, sorta. I really loved B89 and it's a constant rotation between the two.

[Head>On<Collider]

"Batman: Mask of the Phantasm" remains the best Batman movie of them all. I don't care what you people say. :o

:wolverineWell both B89 and MOTF both put The Bat in a sort of anti-hero position which I like. Coincidentally, Batman 2 has him as the public figure. I like B89, I don't like Batman Returns that much. I'd also like to note that the budget for cartoon film versions of these characters as a rule of thumb are always low in budget costs, and here The Mighty Herr Logan prefers it over Batman89. :up:

[The Navigator]

Suck-up. ;)

But yeah, MOTP sure as hell blows BR out of the water. The Phantasm and Joker are far better villians than Penguin and Catwoman, even if I did kinda like Pneguin (or, at least, understood him.). Better lines, too.

Basically, Keaton is BR's only saving grace. And the Batskiboat. That was cool.

[Head>On<Collider]

Suck-up. ;)

But yeah, MOTP sure as hell blows BR out of the water. The Phantasm and Joker are far better villians than Penguin and Catwoman, even if I did kinda like Pneguin (or, at least, understood him.). Better lines, too.

Basically, Keaton is BR's only saving grace. And the Batskiboat. That was cool.I just noticed that the other 2 Bat movies had no mentioning in the whole conversation at all. LMAO! until now:(

[The Navigator]

Yeah, well, nobody wants to give Schumacher credibility any more, even if he did do that delightful "Phone Booth."

[Iron Maiden]

I've always liked the idea of a pre-Latverian Doom as a billiionaire weapons manufacturer for governments around the world, creating military robots and other fantastic weapons for whoever the hell wants them.

He could have provided the blueprints for the Sentinel program, but let guys like Bolivar Trask see it to the end.

I think that would be immensely cool.

One point I found interesting about reading the early issues of FF is that Stan and Jack really emphasized Doom's awesome ability to create robotic life.

The movie(s) should pay homage to that in some way.

I agree. To answer a challenge by MODOK, Doom once built a robotic version of Cap's long dead partner, Bucky. He fooled Cap and was even programmed so well that it sacrificed itself to save Cap. MODOK was ticked off about it since that wasn't exactly what he had in mind.:D


BTW, don't you guys know that in the Days of Future Past storyline, it is the government's use of tech developed by Reed that turns the Sentinels even more deadly?


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[Carter]

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oh this owns

[Head>On<Collider]

Yeah, well, nobody wants to give Schumacher credibility any more, even if he did do that delightful "Phone Booth."Actually,Last I heard, it was WB who dictated everything to Schumacher to film the two the way he did. Didn't Kilmer protest the route they did, and that the movie was at first staring to be shot as a really dark and heavy movie, but then halfway through, the execs stepped in,,,,,,,,,,,,because I was under the impression for the longest time that Schumacher was the culprit until recently.......

[Head>On<Collider]

I agree. To answer a challenge by MODOK, Doom once built a robotic version of Cap's long dead partner, Bucky. He fooled Cap and was even programmed so well that it sacrificed itself to save Cap. MODOK was ticked off about it since that wasn't exactly what he had in mind.:D


BTW, don't you guys know that in the Days of Future Past storyline, it is the government's use of tech developed by Reed that turns the Sentinels even more deadly?





No, I didn't know that. I never saw that, I've had a hard time keeping up with Xmen through the years. During that period I think '93 , i WAS HEAVILY INTO VERTIGO'S (now DC) sANDMAN.

[The Navigator]

Well, I've heard such things as well....and some "deleted scenes" for BF seem to partially confirm that....but I still think he could have left the project after BF, which at least was OK. Thank God Keaton bailed before it turned pink and neon and nipple-clad.

Although I've never heard anything about Kilmer protesting....where did you hear this?

[Zev]

Yeah, well, nobody wants to give Schumacher credibility any more, even if he did do that delightful "Phone Booth."

Cellular was ten times the movie that was. Jason Statham as the villain, the use of science to kill (go anatomy!), and the inclusion of Jessica Biel for no other reason than she's Jessica Biel and really, really hot... aces.

Apparently another protest Val Kilmer had was over gay passes Schumacher made at him.

[Head>On<Collider]

Well, I've heard such things as well....and some "deleted scenes" for BF seem to partially confirm that....but I still think he could have left the project after BF, which at least was OK. Thank God Keaton bailed before it turned pink and neon and nipple-clad.

Although I've never heard anything about Kilmer protesting....where did you hear this?I read it from some very sensible posters on a BB spoiler thread about whether or not Schumacher should be allowed at the premiering and if so, what would happen.......

[Head>On<Collider]

Cellular was ten times the movie that was. Jason Statham as the villain, the use of science to kill (go anatomy!), and the inclusion of Jessica Biel for no other reason than she's Jessica Biel and really, really hot... aces.

Apparently another protest Val Kilmer had was over gay passes Schumacher made at him. I remember in some magazine on the news on Clooney being Bat where Schumacher first said that he fired Kilmer because he was an A** . Then in that same interview, he was going to advertize B&R in the following fashion: Clooney ..........in Tights. True story.

[The Navigator]

Cellular was ten times the movie that was. Jason Statham as the villain, the use of science to kill (go anatomy!), and the inclusion of Jessica Biel for no other reason than she's Jessica Biel and really, really hot... aces.

Apparently another protest Val Kilmer had was over gay passes Schumacher made at him.

It also had Kim Basinger in it, who really just didn't get it that she was in a "Batman" film and has made it on my hate list by trying to seduce Roy Hobbs. ******.

[surfergirl]

Cellular also had Chris Evans in it aka the Human Torch this upcoming July :D

[Mrs. Fantastic]

All right, after all this time, I have finally formed a thought on the subject most dear to so many hear: Doom. And here it is:

Doesn't he look like Dark Helmet from "Spaceballs"? I think he does.

Wait! I kid! I kid because I love! Put the pointy sticks down!!!

:cyclops:

Mrs. F.

[The Navigator]

(Hesitently lowers the pointy stick)

[The Lizard]

I'm fully expecting (but not anticipating) organic armor/lightning-shooting Doom.

Oh man, I hope not. No one should have organic armour except Colossus. :(

[snazzy J]

Oh man, I hope not. No one should have organic armour except Colossus. :(
And no one should have electric powers except Electro. Except for already established characters that have them. And I guess any in the future, too. They are pretty generic powers. Point is, keep 'em away from Doom.

[Herr Logan]

Oh man, I hope not. No one should have organic armour except Colossus. :(

And the Lizard. ;)

:wolverine

[Iron Maiden]

And the Lizard. ;)

:wolverine

And the Green Goblin...(edited to add in the movies)

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[Mister Sinister]

It looks like Doom does make the armour himself. If you watch the scene where VVD electrocutes the guy in a car park, he has a metallic hand, but a normal face.

[Carter]

i think it slowly transforms his body, not instantly

[The Navigator]

So they ARE using organic armor, then?

**** on toast.

[Carter]

besides look at the cut on his face
im willing to bet, that it slowly just turns his face metal

[snazzy J]

besides look at the cut on his face
im willing to bet, that it slowly just turns his face metal
His face is last so that they can trick girls into getting a crush on McMahon, and also probably so that he would agree to take the part.

[snazzy J]

So they ARE using organic armor, then?

**** on toast.
I don't know why people are still in denial. It was confirmed long ago. :(

[The Navigator]

We're in denial because it's becoming a trend of disrespectin' the origins. Truly, the organic armor is probably one of the fewer complaints I have with movie! Doom, but it's kind of an important one.

[snazzy J]

We're in denial because it's becoming a trend of disrespectin' the origins. Truly, the organic armor is probably one of the fewer complaints I have with movie! Doom, but it's kind of an important one.
Don't worry, I'm in the same boat. I just accepted the inevitable long ago. :(

[Carter]

yeah, but these stories do need to be updated
im sooo sick of fanboy's (im not naming names)
cmon, why would he ever put on steel armor? its corny

[snazzy J]

yeah, but these stories do need to be updated
im sooo sick of fanboy's (im not naming names)
cmon, why would he ever put on steel armor? its corny
One, because of his scars, and two, so that he can become a match for the superpowered titans he regularly fights. He doesn't have any powers, you know.

[Iron Maiden]

One, because of his scars, and two, so that he can become a match for the superpowered titans he regularly fights. He doesn't have any powers, you know.

Exactly - - but truthfully I can live with the organic armor idea. After all, the armor in Doom 2099 used nanotech and bits of it was grafted to him using microsurgery, was it not? And those stories go back to the mid 1990's.

But that's what is going over Lord Carter's head. Doom compensates quite well for the fact that he actually has no powers, other than the old Ovoid trick. But he uses that very seldom and only in desperation, as in the Authoritative Action storyline. Doom, however, always tries to get powered up but just like in the old Greek myths, the powers of the Gods are always denied him in the end.

[Zev]

yeah, but these stories do need to be updated
im sooo sick of fanboy's (im not naming names)
cmon, why would he ever put on steel armor? its corny

(picks up pointy stick again)

[Carter]

yes, armor from the 1800's is going to make him incredibly strong
or at least thats the impression i get whenever i see comic book doom

Yeah, and im sure facial disfiguration is going to turn him into the man in the iron mask, in this day and age

[The Navigator]

yeah, but these stories do need to be updated
im sooo sick of fanboy's (im not naming names)
cmon, why would he ever put on steel armor? its corny

No, they don't. If you read the classic Dr. Doom stories, you will find that, had they gone with Doom ruling Latveria, it would be even more topical now than it was then.
He puts on armor because his brilliance and ingenuity make for a counterpoint to the FF's supernatural powers. It's a symbol to his own genius that he can use the tools of the world to fight what would be unfightable to many, lesser minds.
And don't give me this "corny" hornswaggle. Comics in general are somewhat corny, particularly the ideas embedded in them. That doesn't mean we can't tell great stories within that selfsame "corny" medium whilst respecting the source. Why can't we do it on the big screen?

[The Navigator]

yeah, but you're talking ubercorny
im just mentionong that the audience (not me in particular) is going to find it stupid and corny

ask any non comic fan...go ahead ill wait

Well what did he/she say?
Most likely that doom in old ass armor is corny right?

Actually, most non-comic fans that I know of like how Doom looks.
I just don't get why you think Doom is corny and Darth Vader isn't. Or do you?

yes, armor from the 1800's is going to make him incredibly strong
or at least thats the impression i get whenever i see comic book doom

Yeah, and im sure facial disfiguration is going to turn him into the man in the iron mask, in this day and age

Setting aside the fact that the armor is
A: made from modern materials, possibly even adamantium, the unbreakable metal, and
B: laden with weapons of many sizes concealed in its design,

Doom wears a mask of metal because he's obsessive compulsive. Everything must be perfectly structured and balanced in his world; this is why he rules Latveria with an iron fist and demands that the populace be happy....or die.
I suppose what you're getting at is why he wears a mask instead of doing plastic surgery. The answer for that is ebcause Doom is a self-made man, intent on his own reliance and doing things himself. Since he cannot very well knock himself out and do his own facial surgery, he constructs a mask that betrays nothing about his nature but power and intimidation.

[Head>On<Collider]

He puts on armor because his brilliance and ingenuity make for a counterpoint to the FF's supernatural powers. It's a symbol to his own genius that he can use the tools of the world to fight what would be unfightable to many, lesser minds.
Exactly!

[Carter]

yeah, but you're talking ubercorny
im just mentionong that the audience (not me in particular) is going to find it stupid and corny

ask any non comic fan...go ahead ill wait

Well what did he/she say?
Most likely that doom in old ass armor is corny right?

[snazzy J]

yes, armor from the 1800's is going to make him incredibly strong
or at least thats the impression i get whenever i see comic book doom

Yeah, and im sure facial disfiguration is going to turn him into the man in the iron mask, in this day and age
Just because it looks old doesn't mean it is. It's on par with Iron Man's armor, if not better. He just has an appreciation for the classical image. In regards to his face, I don't think you realize how vain he is. In his mind, his face was a work of art and even the slightest flaw ruins it forever. He believes himself to be so hideous that he must hide behind a mask.

[Carter]

stop making excuses to use outdated material.
i understand you guys most likey grew up with it....but the younger crowd is not going to appreciate it

[Zev]

stop making excuses to use outdated material.
i understand you guys most likey grew up with it....but the younger crowd is not going to appreciate it

Yes, just like they hated the original, unaltered Spider-Man costume in Spider-Man and loved the new, revamped Goblin suit... oh, wait, they didn't.

[The Navigator]

stop making excuses to use outdated material.
i understand you guys most likey grew up with it....but the younger crowd is not going to appreciate it

Who gives a rat's ass about the younger crowd? Pandering to the kiddies is a recipe for disaster.
And I actually didn;t grow up with it, sorry to say. Just because it's old doesn't mean you replace it. Just because it's young doesn't mean it's innocent.
I understand your point about updating the source material, and I agree--they should dress and behave the period they're in--but why screw around with an origin if it works? Particularly Doom's?

A businessman....with a crush on Sue.....is what our Victor "Van Damme" has become? Hey, you may have issues with the older comics, but at least classic Doom ruled a f_cking country with nuclear capabilities. I think even you can admit that outclasses Mr. Boardmember over there.

[The Navigator]

Just because it looks old doesn't mean it is. It's on par with Iron Man's armor, if not better. He just has an appreciation for the classical image. In regards to his face, I don't think you realize how vain he is. In his mind, his face was a work of art and even the slightest flaw ruins it forever. He believes himself to be so hideous that he must hide behind a mask.

And the guy's also an aesthetic to the extreme--if it comes down to killing Richards or keeping the irreplacable art intact, he will put a hold on his homicidal urges.

[Head>On<Collider]

And the guy's also an aesthetic to the extreme--if it comes down to killing Richards or keeping the irreplacable art intact, he will put a hold on his homicidal urges.In other words, if Avi and co. are gonna say their concern is about proper characterization, then it should be about characters above anything else.

[The Navigator]

Yes, just like they hated the original, unaltered Spider-Man costume in Spider-Man and loved the new, revamped Goblin suit... oh, wait, they didn't.

Zing.


But tell me where one instance of catering to the "younger crowd" at the expense of a source material has ever worked in movies?

[Carter]

they went about goblin in the wrong way
doesnt mean it still shouldnt have been updated, if anybody hated robo-goblin it was me

And by the younger crowd i dont mean 8, i mean 18-30
you're average movie goer doesnt know a damn thing about comics nor does he/she care

[Carter]

Zing.


But tell me where one instance of catering to the "younger crowd" at the expense of a source material has ever worked in movies?

i really dont know enough movies where im familiar with the source material
besides this is a superhero movie

[NancyCallahan]

And don't give me this "corny" hornswaggle.

Sorry to post this so randomly and break up your guys conversation but i just want to thank RabbitSamurai for using the word "hornswaggle". it made my day. Such a great word....

[The Navigator]

No sweat, Nancy. :up:

they went about goblin in the wrong way
doesnt mean it still shouldnt have been updated, if anybody hated robo-goblin it was me

And by the younger crowd i dont mean 8, i mean 18-30
you're average movie goer doesnt know a damn thing about comics nor does he/she care

Which means they have no predisposed opinion against the comics, either. You can aruge for "updating" all you want, but it only works if you hate what's gone before.

And Goblin's costume is about as "updated" as you can get. I'm no fan of the original outfit either, but how can you beat the totally modern military-esque roboGoblin?? You wanted an "updated" version, you got it, didn't like it, and are trying to say it's the exception that proves the rule.

[AmerikazMostWanted]

since doom so damn skinny i made this

http://img146.exs.cx/img146/739/doom.jpg

[The Navigator]

i really dont know enough movies where im familiar with the source material
besides this is a superhero movie

OK, maybe I should have said "the original concept." Think of just about any sequel you've ever seen in the latter nineties.

And because it's a superhero movie that means....what? That it's not worthy of consideration or attention to detail? Batman disagrees with you.

[The Navigator]

since doom so damn skinny i made this

http://img146.exs.cx/img146/739/doom.jpg

Nice. :D

[Carter]

No sweat, Nancy. :up:



Which means they have no predisposed opinion against the comics, either. You can aruge for "updating" all you want, but it only works if you hate what's gone before.

And Goblin's costume is about as "updated" as you can get. I'm no fan of the original outfit either, but how can you beat the totally modern military-esque roboGoblin?? You wanted an "updated" version, you got it, didn't like it, and are trying to say it's the exception that proves the rule.

no, no they could have gottena better designer to update that suit
we all know it

and no you dont have to hate the original, you just have to think an updated version would be better

[Carter]

OK, maybe I should have said "the original concept." Think of just about any sequel you've ever seen in the latter nineties.

And because it's a superhero movie that means....what? That it's not worthy of consideration or attention to detail? Batman disagrees with you.

Batman was an abortion
That is not anybody's fault but schumachers

[The Lizard]

And the Lizard. ;)


Organic Lizard armor!?! omg taht would be so kewl! Then Lizard could blow up stuff n transform n shoot lazers n ****!
http://img28.exs.cx/img28/8712/dinorobo5ib.jpg
teh r0xx0rs! :up:

:D

[The Navigator]

Batman was an abortion
That is not anybody's fault but schumachers

I was referring to the original Batman. Even Batman Returns if you want to include that.

[Herr Logan]

yeah, but these stories do need to be updated
im sooo sick of fanboy's (im not naming names)
cmon, why would he ever put on steel armor? its corny

If you're sick of fanboys, why in God's name did you sign up for an account on a website called "Superhero Hype"? Wanna know what separates you from the rest of the geeks here? You're a coward who can't admit he's a geek.

Steel armor is corny? Oh, and I suppose going up in a spaceship and getting superpowers through ecposure to cosmic rays isn't. Newsflash, you purngent little whelp: superheroes are corny. You either have the intelligence and courage to admit that you like something corny, or you don't. The very thought that people have spent time teaching pathetic children such as yourself to type makes my blood boil. :wolverine

[The Navigator]

See, this is the kind of thing you should have said to spydermansux, back in the day.

[Herr Logan]

yes, armor from the 1800's is going to make him incredibly strong
or at least thats the impression i get whenever i see comic book doom

Yeah, and im sure facial disfiguration is going to turn him into the man in the iron mask, in this day and age

A keyboard is supposed to be for adults I guess you don't think very hard before touching those keys, do you?

The armor isn't from the 1800's. It was built in the 20th century, by a man who is an engineering and mechanical genius. How is this not apparent to you? Do you realize how obnoxious it is for you to pollute a thread about a character of whom you know nothing?

Yes, a scar would make Doom put a mask on. He's vain to an almost psychotic extent. That's the irrationality that gives superheroes an opening to defeat Doom. :wolverine

[Herr Logan]

See, this is the kind of thing you should have said to spydermansux, back in the day.

I just got back from a trip and he was banned by the time I could read his posts!! Even Superman can't be everywhere at once, so how do you expect a guy who has a faulty internet connection and other computer-related distractions to get every single idiotic newbie that presses his sticky little fingers against a keyboard?? :mad:

;)

:wolverine

[The Navigator]

I just got back from a trip and he was banned by the time I could read his posts!! Even Superman can't be everywhere at once, so how do you expect a guy who has a faulty internet connection and other computer-related distractions to get every single idiotic newbie that presses his sticky little fingers against a keyboard?? :mad:

;)

:wolverine

You turn the world backwards, duh! :mad: ;)

[Carter]

A keyboard is supposed to be for adults I guess you don't think very hard before touching those keys, do you?

The armor isn't from the 1800's. It was built in the 20th century, by a man who is an engineering and mechanical genius. How is this not apparent to you? Do you realize how obnoxious it is for you to pollute a thread about a character of whom you know nothing?

Yes, a scar would make Doom put a mask on. He's vain to an almost psychotic extent. That's the irrationality that gives superheroes an opening to defeat Doom. :wolverine

it was sarcasm about the 1800's
And for the record **** you fanboy, just cuz a guy reads comics you dont think he can start some ****!!

[The Navigator]

it was sarcasm about the 1800's
And for the record **** you fanboy, just cuz a guy reads comics you dont think he can start some ****!!

So....you admit to deliberately trying to cause a ruckus? Or am I misreading your post?

[Carter]

A keyboard is supposed to be for adults I guess you don't think very hard before touching those keys, do you?

The armor isn't from the 1800's. It was built in the 20th century, by a man who is an engineering and mechanical genius. How is this not apparent to you? Do you realize how obnoxious it is for you to pollute a thread about a character of whom you know nothing?

Yes, a scar would make Doom put a mask on. He's vain to an almost psychotic extent. That's the irrationality that gives superheroes an opening to defeat Doom. :wolverine

and nobody was insulting anybody until you showed up, so maybe you should think before touching those keys

[Carter]

So....you admit to deliberately trying to cause a ruckus? Or am I misreading your post?

you are, its from "mallrats"

[The Navigator]

I see.

Kind of ironic, dontcha think?

[Head>On<Collider]

Lightnin', where are you?





wuss

[Herr Logan]

stop making excuses to use outdated material.
i understand you guys most likey grew up with it....but the younger crowd is not going to appreciate it

Ah, yes, the younger crowd. The feckless youths that don't even understand the concept of character complexity. I know they're not all like that. Hell, I'm just shy of 23 and know younger people that appreciate good storytelling and intelligent characterization. Alas, the lowest common denominator prefers things dumbed down so that they wrap their smooth little minds around them.

You're a plague on society when it comes to creative productions. I can't wait until entertainment gets even more shallow and perfunctory than it is today and you begin wishing for the days when TV and movies were just very stupid instead of egregiously and heartbreakingly stupid. Then again, you might just go with what "the younger crowd" says is kewl and just give up what you believe to be worthy of respect. Hell, that's what you're expecting of your betters right now, so it's a worthwhile question as to what you'd do in the same situation. :wolverine

[Hunter Rider]

Ah, yes, the younger crowd. The feckless youths that don't even understand the concept of character complexity. I know they're not all like that. Hell, I'm just shy of 23 and know younger people that appreciate good storytelling and intelligent characterization. Alas, the lowest common denominator prefers things dumbed down so that they wrap their smooth little minds around them.

You're a plague on society when it comes to creative productions. I can't wait until entertainment gets even more shallow and perfunctory than it is today and you begin wishing for the days when TV and movies were just very stupid instead of egregiously and heartbreakingly stupid. Then again, you might just go with what "the younger crowd" says is kewl and just give up what you believe to be worthy of respect. Hell, that's what you're expecting of your betters right now, so it's a worthwhile question as to what you'd do in the same situation. :wolverine

get back in your cage bull boy:p

[Herr Logan]

Zing.


But tell me where one instance of catering to the "younger crowd" at the expense of a source material has ever worked in movies?

It works every single time, depending on whom you're asking.

Just because the bleating herd says "modern" costumes are better doesn't mean they have a damn clue what they're talking about. The evidence is trotting along and bleating at us right now. :wolverine

[The Navigator]

It works every single time, depending on whom you're asking.

Just because the bleating herd says "modern" costumes are better doesn't mean they have a damn clue what they're talking about. The evidence is trotting along and bleating at us right now. :wolverine

I meant "work" as in "something you'd want to see."

And yes, that's sadly true. :(

[Carter]

Ah, yes, the younger crowd. The feckless youths that don't even understand the concept of character complexity. I know they're not all like that. Hell, I'm just shy of 23 and know younger people that appreciate good storytelling and intelligent characterization. Alas, the lowest common denominator prefers things dumbed down so that they wrap their smooth little minds around them.

You're a plague on society when it comes to creative productions. I can't wait until entertainment gets even more shallow and perfunctory than it is today and you begin wishing for the days when TV and movies were just very stupid instead of egregiously and heartbreakingly stupid. Then again, you might just go with what "the younger crowd" says is kewl and just give up what you believe to be worthy of respect. Hell, that's what you're expecting of your betters right now, so it's a worthwhile question as to what you'd do in the same situation. :wolverine


im ignoring his idiocy

[The Navigator]

Ah, yes, the younger crowd. The feckless youths that don't even understand the concept of character complexity. I know they're not all like that. Hell, I'm just shy of 23 and know younger people that appreciate good storytelling and intelligent characterization. Alas, the lowest common denominator prefers things dumbed down so that they wrap their smooth little minds around them.

You're a plague on society when it comes to creative productions. I can't wait until entertainment gets even more shallow and perfunctory than it is today and you begin wishing for the days when TV and movies were just very stupid instead of egregiously and heartbreakingly stupid. Then again, you might just go with what "the younger crowd" says is kewl and just give up what you believe to be worthy of respect. Hell, that's what you're expecting of your betters right now, so it's a worthwhile question as to what you'd do in the same situation. :wolverine

Hey, hey! "Lost" is NOT stupid, all right? :mad:

Unfortunately, most of the rest is.

[The Navigator]

im ignoring his idiocy

Which makes it very convenient for you, doesn't it? Opposing viewpoints be damned.

[Head>On<Collider]

im ignoring his idiocyThe usual act of a defeated one.

[Herr Logan]

it was sarcasm about the 1800's
And for the record **** you fanboy, just cuz a guy reads comics you dont think he can start some ****!!

Ah, yes, very clever of you.

You're talking to the original *****-starter, boy. The difference is, I know what I'm talking about and don't cower behind "the younger crowd" and "the general audience" and let the unwashed masses make my decisions for me. That, and I'm smarter than you and far better armed in a verbal battle or debate. Even my enemies could tell you that. :wolverine

[Head>On<Collider]

Roflmfbao

[Carter]

Ah, yes, very clever of you.

You're talking to the original *****-starter, boy. The difference is, I know what I'm talking about and don't cower behind "the younger crowd" and "the general audience" and let the unwashed masses make my decisions for me. That, and I'm smarter than you and far better armed in a verbal battle or debate. Even my enemies could tell you that. :wolverine

ah, the "im smarter than you"
please, you and every other 12 year old on a message board

[Herr Logan]

Hey, hey! "Lost" is NOT stupid, all right? :mad:

Unfortunately, most of the rest is.

I haven't seen it. I just know it's on before "Alias," which I watch with my woman (except for tonight, since she's away :(), which is an incredibly stupid show with the most immature main character I've seen since "Buffy." Yes, I watch stupid crap, too, but at least I can admit it. Cowards claim that stupid crap like "Smallville" and so forth is gold, because they have simple, uncomplicated minds and a weak will, so they can't hold seemingly contradictory thoughts at once. Take the new ovine upstart, for example-- he thinks that medieval armor is bad simply because it is older. I'm not sure I even know how to argue this kind of thing anymore. How do you shoot an ant with an elephant gun with any accurancy? :wolverine

[The Navigator]

I haven't seen it. I just know it's on before "Alias," which I watch with my woman (except for tonight, since she's away :(), which is an incredibly stupid show with the most immature main character I've seen since "Buffy." Yes, I watch stupid crap, too, but at least I can admit it. Cowards claim that stupid crap like "Smallville" and so forth is gold, because they have simple, uncomplicated minds and a weak will, so they can't hold seemingly contradictory thoughts at once. Take the new ovine upstart, for example-- he thinks that medieval armor is bad simply because it is older. I'm not sure I even know how to argue this kind of thing anymore. How do you shoot an ant with an elephant gun with any accurancy? :wolverine

Yeah, well you should take the time to watch Lost. It's probably one of the best character-driven shows I've ever seen. Especially Locke. Locke is the man.

[The Navigator]

ah, the "im smarter than you"
please, you and every other 12 year old on a message board

As opposed to the "quit making excuses for old stuff I'm too young to have read or appreciated." Just like all the other 12 year olds on this message board. :up:

[Herr Logan]

no, no they could have gottena better designer to update that suit
we all know it

and no you dont have to hate the original, you just have to think an updated version would be better

Oh, good lord...

That's it right there, ladies and gentlemen-- all the evidence you need to know this child is moronic sheep that reacts slavishly to the trigger words "updated version" regardless of the context. Basically, if you don't know anything at all about the original concept of an adaptation but you inexplicably think you're in a position to discuss the adaptation anyway, you get a hard-on for anything that's described as an "updated version." Pathetic. I wonder if you can even feed yourself. :wolverine

[Carter]

ah, the "im smarter than you"
please, you and every other 12 year old on a message board

Fine, ill sit down and have an intelligent argument:
1. Doom's original armor is not practical in a feature film. The audience will not buy the fact that Doom has created a suit of armor to be able to destroy Richards.

2. I dont believe they are "dumbing down the material" but instead improving upon it, god help us if the old farts who love comics are offended

3. In updating Doom's origin they have made the character more relatable to the audience. Simply put, its stupid that he decides to cover his face with that big steel mask

4. I know its impossible to win an argument against 3 fanboys who are opposed to any kind of change

5. Bring up Goblin all you want. It was poorly done. A better designer could have made a suit that both looked better and was more realistic

6. Don't give me that "i'm smarter than you B.S., because to tell the truth, you don't know me, and I don't know you.

7. The punisher was pretty close to origin and that movie sucked

8. Stop trying to sound more intelligent than you are by using big words and phrases. Moronic sheep? cmon im really not buying it

[Herr Logan]

get back in your cage bull boy:p

Contribute something worthwhile or keep silent, hunter.

Don't you have another 5 threads to create by the end of the day? Better get crackin'. :wolverine

[Herr Logan]

Organic Lizard armor!?! omg taht would be so kewl! Then Lizard could blow up stuff n transform n shoot lazers n ****!
http://img28.exs.cx/img28/8712/dinorobo5ib.jpg
teh r0xx0rs! :up:

:D

Dude, I meant his scaly hide is the equivalent of armor. He's bulletproof.

But you knew that, right? You wouldn't have taken the name of the Lizard without knowing his basic vital stats, would you? ;)

:wolverine

[Hunter Rider]

Contribute something worthwhile or keep silent, hunter.

Don't you have another 5 threads to create by the end of the day? Better get crackin'. :wolverine

there's nothing to contribute to a thread where your misplaced superiority is spoiling the debate as you and your little cheerleaders are so full of self deluded importance and arrogance that your impossible to talk to

[Carter]

As opposed to the "quit making excuses for old stuff I'm too young to have read or appreciated." Just like all the other 12 year olds on this message board. :up:

a lot of that "old stuff" is lame and outdated now

[The Navigator]

Fine, ill sit down and have an intelligent argument:
1. Doom's original armor is not practical in a feature film. The audience will not buy the fact that Doom has created a suit of armor to be able to destroy Richards.
But they'll buy the fact that magical space rays make people stretch, get rocky skin, spontaneously combust, and turn invisible?

2. I dont believe they are "dumbing down the material" but instead improving upon it, god help us if the old farts who love comics are offended
How are they improving on it, specifically? You never really explain this.

3. In updating Doom's origin they have made the character more relatable to the audience. Simply put, its stupid that he decides to cover his face with that big steel mask

Two points:
Doom is a dictator. Anybody that "relates" to that should probably be overthrown.
You already covered the mask bit.

4. I know its impossible to win an argument against 3 fanboys who are opposed to any kind of change

Now you're just gettin' petty. Although, you were the one who started the pettiness if you go back and read your own posts.

5. Bring up Goblin all you want. It was poorly done. A better designer could have made a suit that both looked better and was more realistic

But he didn't. And you seem to be advocating change for change's sake, and that's not necessarily a good thing.

6. Don't give me that "i'm smarter than you B.S., because to tell the truth, you don't know me, and I don't know you.

True. But it's how you present yourself, my friend. Or, Lord. Whatever.

7. The punisher was pretty close to origin and that movie sucked

And this proves...?

8. Stop trying to sound more intelligent than you are by using big words and phrases. Moronic sheep? cmon im really not buying it
Stop repeating your own points (see number 6) and you'll come away far better for it.

[The Navigator]

a lot of that "old stuff" is lame and outdated now

....*sigh*

It sure is. :rolleyes:

[Herr Logan]

Fine, ill sit down and have an intelligent argument:
1. Doom's original armor is not practical in a feature film. The audience will not buy the fact that Doom has created a suit of armor to be able to destroy Richards.

2. I dont believe they are "dumbing down the material" but instead improving upon it, god help us if the old farts who love comics are offended

3. In updating Doom's origin they have made the character more relatable to the audience. Simply put, its stupid that he decides to cover his face with that big steel mask

4. I know its impossible to win an argument against 3 fanboys who are opposed to any kind of change

5. Bring up Goblin all you want. It was poorly done. A better designer could have made a suit that both looked better and was more realistic

6. Don't give me that "i'm smarter than you B.S., because to tell the truth, you don't know me, and I don't know you.

7. The punisher was pretty close to origin and that movie sucked

8. Stop trying to sound more intelligent than you are by using big words and phrases. Moronic sheep? cmon im really not buying it

1. It was not the decision of anyone in this conversation that Doom build a suit of armor only to destroy Reed Richards. That's the fault of the incompetent producers of the movie. Doom has many more reasons for having the armor, and if you had the decency to only debate things you even marginally understood, you'd know practically all of them without much research at all.

2. You're a child that acts like a child. This point has no validity to even begin to argue.

3. You've got no authority to say what makes a character relatable to the audience. What is relatable to you is completely irrelevant, since we're talking about a character that is supposed to be the smartest person on the planet, and you aren't even the intellectual equivalent of the Absorbing Man.

4. Your generalizations don't make your argument for you, sparky. We're not completely opposed to change. We just have our own minds and actual standards for what constitutes a good change as opposed to a bad one. You're still using the cowardly "fanboy" defense. How predictable. You're either a disgrace to fanboys everywhere or you're in the wrong message boards, sweetie.

5. There were designs that were both "better" and faithful to the original. You're absolutely right about what you said, but your concept of "realistic" is less than worthless. "Realistic" is merely a buzzword that you and your cowardly, vapid, unsophisticated ilk react to like a sleeper angent reacts to a trigger command. You've been brainwashed, and it's not our fault you can't think for yourself.

6. I know enough to know you're not well armed enough for this. You're an intellectual plebeian. A cognitive peasant. A street urchin begging for a clue. Go find another message board where beig a fanboy isn't the norm.

7. That's anecdotal evidence, which is worthless with regard to proving your thesis. No surprise there, from one such as you.

8. I'm sorry, I didn't realize "moronic" and "sheep" were "big words" or had too many syllables for you. I guess I should have. Maybe you should lie down for a while until your brain stops hurting. Big words... I can barely stop laughing...

Hugs, kisses and endless disdain,

~Herr Logan
:wolverine

[Carter]

But they'll buy the fact that magical space rays make people stretch, get rocky skin, spontaneously combust, and turn invisible?

How are they improving on it, specifically? You never really explain this.

Two points:
Doom is a dictator. Anybody that "relates" to that should probably be overthrown.
You already covered the mask bit.

Now you're just gettin' petty. Although, you were the one who started the pettiness if you go back and read your own posts.

But he didn't. And you seem to be advocating change for change's sake, and that's not necessarily a good thing.

True. But it's how you present yourself, my friend. Or, Lord. Whatever.

And this proves...?

Stop repeating your own points (see number 6) and you'll come away far better for it.


1. I think giving him a steel mask, because hes disfigured is laying it on a bit thick, but hell its a matter of opinion

2. Improvement - Hes not from some fictional country. My argument is based on the perspective of you're average movie goer. And he/she is not going to believe in a fake country. I've addressed this much earlier

3. He should be relatable or else nobody will care about the character as a person.
Sounds like you want another Batman forever, with no character relatability

4. Change is a good thing if handled correctly

5. My name is an inside joke with my friends, I don't expect you to understand

[Carter]

Fanboy's are a disgrace and dont call me sweetie you freak

[Herr Logan]

there's nothing to contribute to a thread where your misplaced superiority is spoiling the debate as you and your little cheerleaders are so full of self deluded importance and arrogance that your impossible to talk to

Find another playground, boy. The last time you tried speaking my language, you got called out by a filthy little plebeian on how forced it was. While I kept quiet about it because I was enjoying the tone of our exchanges that day, don't think I'm not aware of what you are and what you aren't. If you have good points to make, make them, and I'll respond to it honestly and thoughtfully. If you're just spouting nonsense and trying to keep conflict out of this thread, you can expect an appropriate response to that as well. :wolverine

[The Navigator]

1. I think giving him a steel mask, because hes disfigured is laying it on a bit thick, but hell its a matter of opinion

2. Improvement - Hes not from some fictional country. My argument is based on the perspective of you're average movie goer. And he/she is not going to believe in a fake country. I've addressed this much earlier
My ass they aren't. Haven't you seen "Coming to America?"

3. He should be relatable or else nobody will care about the character as a person.
Sounds like you want another Batman forever, with no character relatability

Batman Forever seemed to be all ABOUT character relatability, seeing as how just about everyone was sympathetic in some way, especially poor, lisping Val Kilmer.

4. Change is a good thing if handled correctly

Agreed....but change for change's sake, as you seem to be defending, is not.

5. My name is an inside joke with my friends, I don't expect you to understand
Well, I can't relate to that name. Maybe you should change it.

[Carter]

Find another playground, boy. The last time you tried speaking my language, you got called out by a filthy little plebeian on how forced it was. While I kept quiet about it because I was enjoying the tone of our exchanges that day, don't think I'm not aware of what you are and what you aren't. If you have good points to make, make them, and I'll respond to it honestly and thoughtfully. If you're ust spouting nonsense and trying to keep conflict out of this thread, you can expect an appropriate response to that as well. :wolverine

Im aware you're an arrogant douche

[Hunter Rider]

Find another playground, boy. The last time you tried speaking my language, you got called out by a filthy little plebeian on how forced it was. While I kept quiet about it because I was enjoying the tone of our exchanges that day, don't think I'm not aware of what you are and what you aren't. If you have good points to make, make them, and I'll respond to it honestly and thoughtfully. If you're ust spouting nonsense and trying to keep conflict out of this thread, you can expect an appropriate response to that as well. :wolverine


I too know what you are,a sad little fanboy purist bully who needs to grow up and stop being a prick,Your so deluded your actualy funny

[The Navigator]

Fanboy's are a disgrace and dont call me sweetie you freak

So is punctuation, apparently.
But by "fanboys" I assume you mean those who dislike change at the price of a good character? Yes, that's far too much to ask.

[Herr Logan]

1. I think giving him a steel mask, because hes disfigured is laying it on a bit thick, but hell its a matter of opinion

2. Improvement - Hes not from some fictional country. My argument is based on the perspective of you're average movie goer. And he/she is not going to believe in a fake country. I've addressed this much earlier

3. He should be relatable or else nobody will care about the character as a person.
Sounds like you want another Batman forever, with no character relatability

4. Change is a good thing if handled correctly

5. My name is an inside joke with my friends, I don't expect you to understand

1. Yes, it is a matter of opinion for you, since you seem to have no facts to back it up.

2. This is a comic book superhero movie. Do you understand that? Nobody is coming into this movie expecting realism. It's sci-fi fantasy. This isn't a secret. Is this making sense to you, yet? Fictional countries aren't even on the radar as far as suspending disbelief. Maybe you're so completely incapable of following a story that has an up front and obvious fictional premise, but that makes you very "special" and not at all representative of even the least intelligent majorities.

3. You completely failed to make a sensible and relevant point. Character relatability has its place, but it never, ever is valid to reduce a character from being-- well... the, um, character-- to being some cheap peice of garbage going by the name of a real character. Now I truly believe you can't feed yourself.

4. Very true. Very obvious and intuitive, and completely immaterial to what you've been saying so far.

:wolverine

[Carter]

My ass they aren't. Haven't you seen "Coming to America?"

Batman Forever seemed to be all ABOUT character relatability, seeing as how just about everyone was sympathetic in some way, especially poor, lisping Val Kilmer.

Agreed....but change for change's sake, as you seem to be defending, is not.

Well, I can't relate to that name. Maybe you should change it.

Before i leave this thread... i want you to know COMING TO AMERICA WAS A COMEDY

[Herr Logan]

Fanboy's are a disgrace and dont call me sweetie you freak

Hah!! You're so adorable.

Not only can you not argue, you get scared more easily than any other troglodyte that's tried mixing it up with me.

Run home to momma, and don't hang out in message boards that are designed for fanboys if you think they're a disgrace. And eat your veggies, precious, or you'll get scurvy and God knows we want you to grow up healthy and strong. :wolverine

[snazzy J]

Wow. This thread got really fun really fast.

[The Navigator]

Before i leave this thread... i want you to know COMING TO AMERICA WAS A COMEDY

So? You can buy stuff in comedies, too.

[snazzy J]

Before i leave this thread... i want you to know COMING TO AMERICA WAS A COMEDY
You never responded to somebody who mentioned Gotham and Metropolis before. I'd like to hear your thoughts on those fictional places.

[The Navigator]

Wow. This thread got really fun really fast.

Yeah, pretty much.

[Herr Logan]

I too know what you are,a sad little fanboy purist bully who needs to grow up and stop being a prick,Your so deluded your actualy funny

That's precious coming from someone who's only fighting for the sake of fighting right now and doesn't have a position other than "I don't like you, Herr Logan." Things are being said here. There is a topic. You're just being a nuisance for its own sake, and using erroneous terms to do it. Go find something to do that has a point you'd like to stay here and be a troll. Yeah, that's right, someone who badgers posters for its own sake with nothing to defend or argue is a troll, and someone with an argument to make that makes it nastily is merely an a$$hole. I accept what I am, but you're hiding. Quit bothering me, boy, I'm getting nauseous. :wolverine

[Herr Logan]

Im aware you're an arrogant douche

Well, at least that's something. I was afraid even that bit of information eluded you. :wolverine

[Hunter Rider]

That's precious coming from someone who's only fighting for the sake of fighting right now and doesn't have a position other than "I don't like you, Herr Logan." Things are being said here. There is a topic. You're just being a nuisance for its own sake, and using erroneous terms to do it. Go find something to do that has a point,unless you'd like to stay here and be a troll. Yeah, that's right, someone who badgers posters for its own sake with nothing to defend or argue is a troll, and someone with an argument to make that makes it nastily is an a$$hole. I accept what I am, but you're hiding. Quit bothering me, boy, I'm getting nauseous. :wolverine
you make all your points nastily so your a hypocrite as well, but i will leave this thread as you are impossible to talk to.
BTW stop pretending to be logan and calling ppl boy it just makes you sound like a fool:p

[Herr Logan]

Wow. This thread got really fun really fast.

Thank RabbitSamurai. He put out a contract on this little smegmalith.

I wonder who took the contract. :o

:wolverine

[snazzy J]

you make all your points nastily so your a hypocrite as well, but i will leave this thread as you are impossible to talk to.
BTW stop pretending to be logan and calling ppl boy it just makes you sound like a fool:pHe was calling himself an *******, there, and Wolverine says bub, not boy.

[The Navigator]

Thank RabbitSamurai. He put out a contract on this little smegmalith.

I wonder who took the contract. :o

:wolverine

....thanks. :mad: Now I'm gonna have assassins after me.

[Herr Logan]

you make all your points nastily so your a hypocrite as well, but i will leave this thread as you are impossible to talk to.
BTW stop pretending to be logan and calling ppl boy it just makes you sound like a fool:p

If you mean Logan" as in Wolverine, you're once against talking nonsense. Logan adds "bub" to his sentences.

I'm not a hypocrite if I'm not telling people not to be a$$holes. I'm telling people to stop being idiots. You're the hypocrite, hunty-boy, since you started up with me about being aggressive with people and you had no other purpose.

Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. :wolverine

[Herr Logan]

He was calling himself an *******, there, and Wolverine says bub, not boy.

You must be my soul mate, bub. :)

:wolverine

[The Navigator]

You must be my soul mate, bub. :)

:wolverine

Back away, snazzy.....slowly....;)

[snazzy J]

If you mean Logan" as in Wolverine, you're once against talking nonsense. Logan adds "bub" to his sentences.

I'm not a hypocrite if I'm not telling people not to be a$$holes. I'm telling people to stop being idiots. You're the hypocrite, hunty-boy, since you started up with me about being aggressive with people and you had no other purpose.

Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. :wolverine
I'd just like to point out that his cage joke was mildly funny (I called TBS to make sure).

[Herr Logan]

....thanks. :mad: Now I'm gonna have assassins after me.

And I bet know who you'll come a-runnin' to for protection. ;)

:wolverine

[snazzy J]

You must be my soul mate, bub. :)

:wolverine
I honestly can't think of a witty response to that. I'm trying too. :(

[The Navigator]

I'd just like to point out that his cage joke was mildly funny (I called TBS to make sure).

:D :up:

[The Navigator]

And I bet know who you'll come a-runnin' to for protection. ;)

:wolverine

....She-Hulk?

;) :p

[Herr Logan]

I'd just like to point out that his cage joke was mildly funny (I called TBS to make sure).

True enough. :o

Still, hunter's a meddling little prick a lot of the time, and it just pissed me off that he didn't even have a stake in the discussion and yet he chose to get in my face when Lord Carter-- the greasy little smeg-scout that he is-- so richly deserved my special attention.
Hunter's also a ubiquitous little bastard, since he's created like dozens if not hundreds of threads. I try to stay out of all of them, because if I get into it with him there, I'll feel the need to do it in each one. :wolverine

[The Navigator]

True enough. :o

Still, hunter's a meddling little prick a lot of the time, and it just pissed me off that he didn't even have a stake in the discussion and yet he chose to get in my face when Lord Carter-- the greasy little smeg-scout that he is-- so richly deserved my special attention.
Hunter's also a ubiquitous little bastard, since he's created like dozens if not hundreds of threads. I try to stay out of all of them, because if I get into it with him there, I'll feel the need to do it in each one. :wolverine

What threads has he created? :confused:

[Head>On<Collider]

I...........am so putting this conversation link on my sig. This is one of those moments in time captured on memorex.

[The Navigator]

Aw, thanks.

[Iron Maiden]

You never responded to somebody who mentioned Gotham and Metropolis before. I'd like to hear your thoughts on those fictional places.

Hey, that's right he ignored that one... c'mon we're waiting, dude!

Not to mention . . . .

Tatoiine
Mos Eisley
Smallville
Bodega Bay

Hey, let's make this a fictional places in films subtopic. ( *** goes out for a bottle of Latverian ale ***)


http://www.members.aol.com/madamehydra/IM.jpg
:D :D

[The Navigator]

Kinda late, aren't ya, IM? ;)

[The Lizard]

Dude, I meant his scaly hide is the equivalent of armor. He's bulletproof.

But you knew that, right? You wouldn't have taken the name of the Lizard without knowing his basic vital stats, would you? ;)

:wolverine

Actually I have Lizzy's vital stats tattooed on my forehead (reversed so I can can reread them in the bathroom mirror every morning). :)

I just meant "armor" meaning something that looks like a metal shell of course. Lizard's bulletproof skin is more of a tough hide.

But anyway.....I must have been out of the geek loop on this whole movie Doom armor issue. If Doom "grows" his armor as the result of an accident, that's really REALLY bad news.

What would really be a pisser is if the writers changed Doom's origin to avoid seeming too much like Darth Vader (scarred face hidden behind helmet and all), since Doom was there first.

[Herr Logan]

What threads has he created? :confused:

Check his profile, and make sure to stand back..

:wolverine

[The Navigator]

I see...

(gently opens pandora's box of HR threads)

[The Navigator]

SWEET JESUS!


...as Zefram Cochrane would say.

[Head>On<Collider]

So, Lightnin'......you invite me over here to argue with you over the stuff we were hashing out on the Trailer thread so I can come here and wait, wait and wait some more for you to show up all the while you go and edit your invitation behind my back. You did it on purpose didn't you, you inconsiderate uncaring bastard! I'll get you for this! One day Lightnin'! I'll get you for this! Actually I enjoyed watching poor old Lordcarter get his arse whipped sideways, so it's ok. Thanks Lightnin'.

[Iron Maiden]

Kinda late, aren't ya, IM? ;)

You're right, I got left in the dust when this stuff switched between threads. Plus they keep giving me work to do. :p

[Herr Logan]

I see...

(gently opens pandora's box of HR threads)

He created 183 threads since 10-24-2004, and posted 6,442 times, which is an average of 73.67 posts a day. When he brings the fight to me, he's a hypocrite and a troll. How this little spam-master thinks he can try to make me look bad when his own ass is hanging out is beyond me.

I don't need his help to make me look bad. I'm bad to the bone, in one sense another. :wolverine

[The Navigator]

You mean "behind me." :D

Oh, man, I crack myself up.

[Herr Logan]

You mean "behind me." :D

Oh, man, I crack myself up.

Well, someone ought to. :mad:

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

I...........am so putting this conversation link on my sig. This is one of those moments in time captured on memorex.

Well, I, for one, am honored. These are the moments that make it all worthwhile. :wolverine

[The Navigator]

Well, someone ought to. :mad:

:wolverine

Someone does, my friend. Someone does.

[Zev]

You see, this is what a guy missed when he's watching Romancing The Stone. This is an impressive amount of **** to go down in 106 minutes!

By the way, Punisher's movie had only the essentials of the comic origin. While it borrowed elements from Welcome Back, Frank and Year One, it made up lots of stuff, such as Frank being an FBI agent, Frank's entire extended family being killed, etc. Not to mention slight changes to the famous skull insignia. But hell, I still liked it.

Fight with the Russian = teh cool.

[The Navigator]

You see, this is what a guy missed when he's watching Romancing The Stone. This is an impressive amount of **** to go down in 106 minutes!

By the way, Punisher's movie had only the essentials of the comic origin. While it borrowed elements from Welcome Back, Frank and Year One, it made up lots of stuff, such as Frank being an FBI agent, Frank's entire extended family being killed, etc. Not to mention slight changes to the famous skull insignia. But hell, I still liked it.

Fight with the Russian = teh cool.

Yes, it is.

Romancing the Stone? Pfft. Give me BttF, bee-yotch.

[Tony Stark]

Seems like this Doom is a hybrid of Namor and Doom. They basically take the love triangle of Sue, Reed and Namor, and transfer it to Doom. Making Doom apart of the cosmic ray accident also puts a different twist on the love triangle.

BTW, there's one screen cap in the trailer that looks like it shows Doom unmaksed with the hood on and his armor distorted face.

[Sardaukar]

Seems like this Doom is a hybrid of Namor and Doom. They basically take the love triangle of Sue, Reed and Namor, and transfer it to Doom. Making Doom apart of the cosmic ray accident also puts a different twist on the love triangle.



Yeah, but that doesn't really work with Doom's character though.

I've never seen him fall in love in the comics, and if he has then it was an uncharacteristic moment (there was Valeria, but that was in his youth).

If you were to ask Doom, he'd probably say he's "above such human weaknesses".

Namor, on the other hand, is one of the great "Don Juans" of the Marvel Universe, even if he is a bit of a bastard.

[EternalMaster]

Kind of sad that another studio has Namor rights. I think he could have been interesting in a sequel... perhaps an invasion of the surface world.

[Iron Maiden]

Yeah, but that doesn't really work with Doom's character though.

I've never seen him fall in love in the comics, and if he has then it was an uncharacteristic moment (there was Valeria, but that was in his youth).

If you were to ask Doom, he'd probably say he's "above such human weaknesses".

Namor, on the other hand, is one of the great "Don Juans" of the Marvel Universe, even if he is a bit of a bastard.

Oh, I thought that was Star Fox or maybe Hercules? Those Avengers guys got pretty busy, especially when She-Hulk was around.

As for Doom, Valeria was pretty much the love of his life but she rejected him after she saw the change in him when he defeated Diablo to rescue her.
More recently, I liked the relationship he had with Samantha Dunbar AKA his bodyguard Lancer. The Evil Dorma, Warrior Queen of Atlantis on the HR planet had the hots for him, too. ;) But I think this would have been a very volatile and brief romance if it were allowed to go any further.

More likely Doom is the asexual type that channels all those energies elsewhere.

[The Navigator]

Oh, I thought that was Star Fox or maybe Hercules? Those Avengers guys got pretty busy, especially when She-Hulk was around. :D:up:

As for Doom, Valeria was pretty much the love of his life but she rejected him after she saw the change in him when he defeated Diablo to rescue her.
More recently, I liked the relationship he had with Samantha Dunbar AKA his bodyguard Lancer. The Evil Dorma, Warrior Queen of Atlantis on the HR planet had the hots for him, too. ;) But I think this would have been a very volatile and brief romance if it were allowed to go any further.

More likely Doom is the asexual type that channels all those energies elsewhere.

Yep. The utter humiliation and destruction of Richards.

[Sardaukar]

Oh, I thought that was Star Fox or maybe Hercules? Those Avengers guys got pretty busy, especially when She-Hulk was around.

Yeah, those two come closer to fitting the bill. But I think about how Namor's been attached to Dorma, Marrina, and Sue Storm, and how She-Hulk had the hots for him and God knows how many others, and I have to admit that the guy must be doing something right. ;)



More likely Doom is the asexual type that channels all those energies elsewhere.

Either that or Doom's a closet case, but I won't go there. ;)

[Herr Logan]

Yeah, but that doesn't really work with Doom's character though.

I've never seen him fall in love in the comics, and if he has then it was an uncharacteristic moment (there was Valeria, but that was in his youth).

If you were to ask Doom, he'd probably say he's "above such human weaknesses".

Namor, on the other hand, is one of the great "Don Juans" of the Marvel Universe, even if he is a bit of a bastard.

Doom may not have fallen in love, but he defiitely had a thing for Storm, if not also the Invisibile Girl. After having trapped Storm as a living statue, he apologized afterward and left the slate between them clean, citing that he'd like to know her better. Nothing ever came of that (outside the Chaos Engine books), but that was something, anyway. :wolverine

[Zev]

Actually, it was a Doombot that had a thing for Storm. Which raises the question: If she had sex with him, would it be masturbation?

[The Navigator]

Doom may not have fallen in love, but he defiitely had a thing for Storm, if not also the Invisibile Girl. After having trapped Storm as a living statue, he apologized afterward and left the slate between them clean, citing that he'd like to know her better. Nothing ever came of that (outside the Chaos Engine books), but that was something, anyway. :wolverine

Hmmm....

[Head>On<Collider]

Actually, it was a Doombot that had a thing for Storm. Which raises the question: If she had sex with him, would it be masturbation?My first reaction was to say yes, but then, I thought about HRGiger and then concluded ..............Hetero-eroto-bio-mechanoidism.

[The Navigator]

My first reaction was to say yes, but then, I thought about HRGiger and then concluded ..............Hetero-eroto-bio-mechanoidism.

........

........


....No.

Doom is not an alien.

[Head>On<Collider]

........

........


....No.

Doom is not an alien.sounded cool anyway, oh well.........masturbation it is.

[Vartha]

I'm making a Doom wall paper to put up here, any body have pics of the Von Doom Industries logo? any and all please:doom:

[snazzy J]

Doom may not have fallen in love, but he defiitely had a thing for Storm, if not also the Invisibile Girl. After having trapped Storm as a living statue, he apologized afterward and left the slate between them clean, citing that he'd like to know her better. Nothing ever came of that (outside the Chaos Engine books), but that was something, anyway. :wolverine
I dunno. Even if it wasn't a Doombot, it still sounds more like she earned his respect, not that he had a thing for her. Just because he's nice to her doesn't mean he loves her.

[Herr Logan]

I dunno. Even if it wasn't a Doombot, it still sounds more like she earned his respect, not that he had a thing for her. Just because he's nice to her doesn't mean he loves her.

I didn't say he loves her. I'm saying he was attracted to her, and yes, only through her earning his respect could he have been really attracted to her.

I don't understand, are you people saying that Doom was a robot all the way through that story? If that's the case, can someone confirm for me whether or not the stand-in robots are fully programmed to be like Dr. Doom and actually believe they are Dr. Doom? I don't see how it could work otherwise, since we see his thought bubbles througout the story and I don't see why a Doom-bot would surrender Storm to the X-Men under threat of execution by Wolverine if he didn't believe he was the real Doom. Also, his attraction to Storm began before he saw her go crazy with power, when he first met her, and that's because he sensed regality in her as well as witnessed her grace. Only a robot that was programmed to be every bit as perceptive as the real Doom and held the same values would have been able to do that. Can someone clear that up for me? :wolverine

[Head>On<Collider]

I didn't say he loves her. I'm saying he was attracted to her, and yes, only through her earning his respect could he have been really attracted to her.

I don't understand, are you people saying that Doom was a robot all the way through that story? If that's the case, can someone confirm for me whether or not the stand-in robots are fully programmed to be like Dr. Doom and actually believe they are Dr. Doom? I don't see how it could work otherwise, since we see his thought bubbles througout the story and I don't see why a Doom-bot would surrender Storm to the X-Men under threat of execution by Wolverine if he didn't believe he was the real Doom. Also, his attraction to Storm began before he saw her go crazy with power, when he first met her, and that's because he sensed regality in her as well as witnessed her grace. Only a robot that was programmed to be every bit as perceptive as the real Doom and held the same values would have been able to do that. Can someone clear that up for me? :wolverineIt was the real Dr. Doom. It's been 4 years, but I do remember skimming through my friend's Xmen Chaos engine trilogy. The doombot thing was a joke.

[Herr Logan]

It was the real Dr. Doom. It's been 4 years, but I did skim through my friend's Xmen Chaos engine trilogy. The doombot thing was a joke.

Thanks. I took it at face value when someone said it was just a Doombot because I'd read it somewhere else that it turns out it was a robot. Feh. It's not like it's even worth retconning such things like that. If people weren't happy with the way Doom acted in that story, then there's a hell of a lot of other ones in which he does the same things, and having him be a robot each time is pretty lame. :wolverine

[Head>On<Collider]

Thanks. I took it at face value when someone said it was just a Doombot because I'd read it somewhere else that it turns out it was a robot. Feh. It's not like it's even worth retconning such things like that. If people weren't happy with the way Doom acted in that story, then there's a hell of a lot of other ones in which he does the same things, and having him be a robot each time is pretty lame. :wolverineBut I have to admit that the question of whether or not Storm having sex with a doombot makes it masturbation (whether we're talking A.I. or not) would make quite a discussion. I couldn't help but add my 50 cents there.:joker: :doom: