I Am Doom....discuss me [merged-2]

[Ulic Queldroma]

At this point we've 1500 posts on the same stuff. Some people hate everythign about this movie some don't. Let's just see how it translates onscreen. There are few Superhero movies that I love 100% but at least I give them a chance instead of buring it before it even premieres. I guess what I mean to say is, let's borrow a little positivity from albafan and give peace ... I mean movie doom a chance.

[Herr Logan]

At this point we've 1500 posts on the same stuff. Some people hate everythign about this movie some don't. Let's just see how it translates onscreen. There are few Superhero movies that I love 100% but at least I give them a chance instead of buring it before it even premieres. I guess what I mean to say is, let's borrow a little positivity from albafan and give peace ... I mean movie doom a chance.

It's very kind of you to invite us all to your homeland in Denial, but some of us prefer to remain free of false optimism and complacency. :wolverine

[Kurosawa]

Originally Posted by Ulic Queldroma
At this point we've 1500 posts on the same stuff. Some people hate everythign about this movie some don't. Let's just see how it translates onscreen. There are few Superhero movies that I love 100% but at least I give them a chance instead of buring it before it even premieres. I guess what I mean to say is, let's borrow a little positivity from albafan and give peace ... I mean movie doom a chance.


Changes are one thing. Changes can be acceptasble. Creating an entirely new character and giving them the name of another far superior character is an entirely different matter.

Except for Doom, I think the movie will be decent-not great but decent. But Doom will be so horrible that he will drag the movie down. Even if the character wasn't supposed to be Doom and was an entirely new character, he'd still drag the movie down just because he's SUCH a loser.

[JulianM.Fan]

bump...keeping it on the first page

[Kelly]

It's very kind of you to invite us all to your homeland in Denial, but some of us prefer to remain free of false optimism and complacency. :wolverine

Hey HL he was giving his opinion just like you or me...ya don't like it....fine....but its his opinion and he has every right to it....I disagree with alot of your thoughts on this movie....but I certainly don't think you are on a river of denial that it won't be great....its just your opinion.....and I respect it as such.....I think everyone deserves that....:)

[Herr Logan]

Hey HL he was giving his opinion just like you or me...ya don't like it....fine....but its his opinion and he has every right to it....I disagree with alot of your thoughts on this movie....but I certainly don't think you are on a river of denial that it won't be great....its just your opinion.....and I respect it as such.....I think everyone deserves that....:)

What I said was no less presumptuous than what he said. He suggested that we act more like you and talk positively. I told him some of us can think for ourselves and don't feel like dancing to his tune.
You think using the word "opinion" somehow carries an automatically valid argument. It doesn't, and never has. You're an intelligent adult, so I expect a hell of a lot better from you if you want to convince me of anything.

I'm sick and tired of you sunshine junkies and your ridiculous double-standards. If you think you aren't being a hypocrite, think again. If you think I've attacked everyone who ever blurted out a naive and useless comment about how great this or that movie is going to be, you're dead wrong. You may be this movie's biggest cheerleader, but you know less about these characters than I do, and I've got comparatively little knowledge of the Fantastic Four. The fact that I know as much as I do makes my comparisons between the characters and Avi Arad's watered-down versions of the characters valid, whether or not they give you a warm and fuzzy feelings or mirror your own pristine opinions. You probably haven't noticed, but I haven't posted once in a "Sin City" forum, and probably not once in a "Hellboy" forum. Why? Because I don't know a damn thing about the original stories, so I don't presume to tell others whether or not it was a good effort to adapt them or not. Opinions are not equal. They are informed and created through intelligent reasoning-- more so or less so-- on a wide spectrum, and I don't have any reason to let people believe their own uninformed and shallow opinions are more valid than my own after they've insulted my intelligence by suggesting I step down to their level of cognition without a single valid reason for doing so.

If you're wondering where my assertion that he's in denial comes from, check the guy's profile. It's not my fault his posted location matches his apparent state of mind, it's his.

If you want to press this issue, that's up to you. You and I both know you're as bad as anyone else when it comes to disregarding people's opinions in favor of your own. Want proof? See the above quote. If arguing is too "negative" for you, I think it's pretty clear who can go at this longer. :wolverine

[Kelly]

What I said was no less presumptuous than what he said. He suggested that we act more like you and talk positively. I told him some of us can think for ourselves and don't feel like dancing to his tune.
You think using the word "opinion" somehow carries an automatically valid argument. It doesn't, and never has. You're an intelligent adult, so I expect a hell of a lot better from you if you want to convince me of anything.

I'm sick and tired of you sunshine junkies and your ridiculous double-standards. If you think you aren't being a hypocrite, think again. If you think I've attacked everyone who ever blurted out a naive and useless comment about how great this or that movie is going to be, you're dead wrong. You may be this movie's biggest cheerleader, but you know less about these characters than I do, and I've got comparatively little knowledge of the Fantastic Four. The fact that I know as much as I do makes my comparisons between the characters and Avi Arad's watered-down versions of the characters valid, whether or not they give you a warm and fuzzy feelings or mirror your own pristine opinions. You probably haven't noticed, but I haven't posted once in a "Sin City" forum, and probably not once in a "Hellboy" forum. Why? Because I don't know a damn thing about the original stories, so I don't presume to tell others whether or not it was a good effort to adapt them or not. Opinions are not equal. They are informed and created through intelligent reasoning-- more so or less so-- on a wide spectrum, and I don't have any reason to let people believe their own uninformed and shallow opinions are more valid than my own after they've insulted my intelligence by suggesting I step down to their level of cognition without a single valid reason for doing so.

If you want to press this issue, that's up to you. You and I both know you're as bad as anyone else when it comes to disregarding people's opinions in favor of your own. Want proof? See the above quote. If arguing is too "negative" for you, I think it's pretty clear who can go at this longer. :wolverine

HL...you know good and well .... that I have listened to all sides....I've also learned from all sides....and I just got on too someone else I believe yesterday for pushing POSITIVITY as only seeing the positive in this film...so don't go there......from the very beginning for me in July I've read both sides...and RESPECTED both sides....I just felt you hit alittle personal with him....and NO.....You are wrong....I am not as bad as anyone else when it comes to disregarding people's opinions in favor of my own.......I have done the same for both sides.....I'll do it for both sides....as long as it doesn't look like a personal attack.....I have never debated with you HL....because I believe you have a right to your opinion....but I don't like the personal stuff....at all........so I'll leave you with this post from me.....and leave it at that.....PEACE.....

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5032712&postcount=21

I have and will always read and listen, and RESPECT both sides.....WITHOUT GETTING PERSONAL......

[Herr Logan]

HL...you know good and well .... that I have listened to all sides....I've also learned from all sides....and I just got on too someone else I believe yesterday for pushing POSITIVITY as only seeing the positive in this film...so don't go there......from the very beginning for me in July I've read both sides...and RESPECTED both sides....I just felt you hit alittle personal with him....and NO.....You are wrong....I am not as bad as anyone else when it comes to disregarding people's opinions in favor of my own.......I have done the same for both sides.....I'll do it for both sides....as long as it doesn't look like a personal attack.....I have never debated with you HL....because I believe you have a right to your opinion....but I don't like the personal stuff....at all........so I'll leave you with this post from me.....and leave it at that.....PEACE.....

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5032712&postcount=21

I have and will always read and listen, and RESPECT both sides.....WITHOUT GETTING PERSONAL......

Fair enough.

I didn't think I was getting any more personal than the offending poster was, but I'm probably more sensitive to condescending suggestions for positivity than someone already geared toward acting the way he suggested in the first place.

I want to whole-heartedly thank you for proving me wrong. it so rarely happens, and when it does, that usually means the world is less digusting and unpleasant than I thought, so it's a positive event. :)

:wolverine

[Kelly]

Fair enough.

I didn't think I was getting any more personal than the offending poster was, but I'm probably more sensitive to condescending suggestions for positivity than someone already geared toward acting the way he suggested in the first place.

I want to whole-heartedly thank you for proving me wrong. it so rarely happens, and when it does, that usually means the world is less digusting and unpleasant than I thought, so it's a positive event. :)

:wolverine

Hey HL...you and I have gotten along really, really well over these last few months....and I want that to continue....as I do with my relationship with everyone on this board....I apologize if it seemed like I only hit you.....and we can get back to our usual....you and your debates....me and my learning and positivity....LMAO.....:p ;)

[Herr Logan]

Hey HL...you and I have gotten along really, really well over these last few months....and I want that to continue....as I do with my relationship with everyone on this board....I apologize if it seemed like I only hit you.....and we can get back to our usual....you and your debates....me and my learning and positivity....LMAO.....:p ;)

Sounds good, darlin'. Sorry if I reacted too harshly. :wolverine

[wetgorilla]

Hats off to you, Herr Logan!

You've summed up exactly how I feel about, discussion boards, the FF movie and also the Wolverine uniform debate! It's a quite refreshing to read how an intelligent individual rebutes an attack on himself for delivering an honest and well thought out opinion.

Thanks for saying what most of us haven't had the opportunity to say to those who value a placid forum over one with any current of thought. I found your comment on the reasons for the gulf between what we see on the screen and what aspects were successful to be well delivered - "Imagination and intelligence should be valued more than corporate cowardice and high-priced PR staff."

Thanks again,

Wetgorilla

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

Hats off to you, Herr Logan!

You've summed up exactly how I feel about, discussion boards, the FF movie and also the Wolverine uniform debate! It's a quite refreshing to read how an intelligent individual rebutes an attack on himself for delivering an honest and well thought out opinion.

Thanks for saying what most of us haven't had the opportunity to say to those who value a placid forum over one with any current of thought. I found your comment on the reasons for the gulf between what we see on the screen and what aspects were successful to be well delivered - "Imagination and intelligence should be valued more than corporate cowardice and high-priced PR staff."

Thanks again,

Wetgorilla

:wolverine


Welcome to the Hype, bub. :)

I'm much obliged, and I'm always glad to see new posters that don't automatically write off dissenting views and criticisms as "whining" and "nitpicking." :up:

:wolverine

[NUFFSAID2004]

What I said was no less presumptuous than what he said. He suggested that we act more like you and talk positively. I told him some of us can think for ourselves and don't feel like dancing to his tune.
You think using the word "opinion" somehow carries an automatically valid argument. It doesn't, and never has. You're an intelligent adult, so I expect a hell of a lot better from you if you want to convince me of anything.

I'm sick and tired of you sunshine junkies and your ridiculous double-standards. If you think you aren't being a hypocrite, think again. If you think I've attacked everyone who ever blurted out a naive and useless comment about how great this or that movie is going to be, you're dead wrong. You may be this movie's biggest cheerleader, but you know less about these characters than I do, and I've got comparatively little knowledge of the Fantastic Four. The fact that I know as much as I do makes my comparisons between the characters and Avi Arad's watered-down versions of the characters valid, whether or not they give you a warm and fuzzy feelings or mirror your own pristine opinions. You probably haven't noticed, but I haven't posted once in a "Sin City" forum, and probably not once in a "Hellboy" forum. Why? Because I don't know a damn thing about the original stories, so I don't presume to tell others whether or not it was a good effort to adapt them or not. Opinions are not equal. They are informed and created through intelligent reasoning-- more so or less so-- on a wide spectrum, and I don't have any reason to let people believe their own uninformed and shallow opinions are more valid than my own after they've insulted my intelligence by suggesting I step down to their level of cognition without a single valid reason for doing so.

If you're wondering where my assertion that he's in denial comes from, check the guy's profile. It's not my fault his posted location matches his apparent state of mind, it's his.

If you want to press this issue, that's up to you. You and I both know you're as bad as anyone else when it comes to disregarding people's opinions in favor of your own. Want proof? See the above quote. If arguing is too "negative" for you, I think it's pretty clear who can go at this longer. :wolverine
Logan..
This thread of yours really said it all! "Sunshine junkie" is right! This "answer" thread justified your "opinion" as being right on the mark, and making these others look pretty weak. Don't get me wrong. Being a fan of Jessica Alba is really a good thing (*hey, I think she's one of the hottest babes on the planet myself*), but that isn't exactly the key element to the success of this ill-fated Fantastic Four film. Just like you, I do not do well in conforming to new ideas that do damage to the originally and creative idea, in question, that's been going on even before most of us were born! "You" are not voicing an opinion on how these characters should be, but rather what these characters have been for many years! When I see some of these people on here writing things such as, "Doom is much better without real battle armor, or "They should really kill Doom off at the end", I cringe in my chair and reason that these are not real opinions, but rather ignorance on their part, trying to convince themselves, and everyone else on how they know "everything", when they obviously don't! As for myself, I probably don't know near as much about Wolverine as you do. However, I do know enough about the character to know that he shouldn't be disected by every half assed producer, or director who comes along who thinks that their version shall be so much greater than what he already is. So once again, my hat's off to you,my adamatium friend. Hold your ground, and the hell with those who put you down for your 'intelligent" and valid points! Sorry, Alba, it's clear he really owes you, or no one such explainations. His points are extremely clear and well-founded. Chow"!

[Sardaukar]

Chow.

[Willie Lumpkin]

Chow?!?!?

[Sardaukar]

Ciao.

[Willie Lumpkin]

Ciao.

LOL Ohhhhh Thanks, I thought it was some new internet lingo I wasn't up on.

[Herr Logan]

Logan..
This thread of yours really said it all! "Sunshine junkie" is right! This "answer" thread justified your "opinion" as being right on the mark, and making these others look pretty weak. Don't get me wrong. Being a fan of Jessica Alba is really a good thing (*hey, I think she's one of the hottest babes on the planet myself*), but that isn't exactly the key element to the success of this ill-fated Fantastic Four film. Just like you, I do not do well in conforming to new ideas that do damage to the originally and creative idea, in question, that's been going on even before most of us were born! "You" are not voicing an opinion on how these characters should be, but rather what these characters have been for many years! When I see some of these people on here writing things such as, "Doom is much better without real battle armor, or "They should really kill Doom off at the end", I cringe in my chair and reason that these are not real opinions, but rather ignorance on their part, trying to convince themselves, and everyone else on how they know "everything", when they obviously don't! As for myself, I probably don't know near as much about Wolverine as you do. However, I do know enough about the character to know that he shouldn't be disected by every half assed producer, or director who comes along who thinks that their version shall be so much greater than what he already is. So once again, my hat's off to you,my adamatium friend. Hold your ground, and the hell with those who put you down for your 'intelligent" and valid points! Sorry, Alba, it's clear he really owes you, or no one such explainations. His points are extremely clear and well-founded. Chow"!

Much obliged, NUFFSAID2004.

Keep in mind that, despite my irritation earlier, albafan is pretty fair most of the time. :wolverine

[Sardaukar]

As many of you know, Doom came from a family of wandering gypsies, or Roma, as they're also called in those parts of the world.

I just thought it was interesting, and sad, that Doom's people still face much adversity against corrupt governments and such.

Well, after the Yugoslavian conflict in the 90s, many Roma still face persecution and extreme poverty in several Balkan countries, especially around Kosovo:

http://img230.exs.cx/img230/8868/kosovo0ja.gif

This area is very close in proximity to Latveria, as it exists in the Marvel Universe:

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From Amnesty International: http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engeur010012005

There are estimated seven to nine million Roma living in Europe today with 80 percent of them living in new European Union (EU) member states and candidate countries. The level of income and unemployment is considerably lower for the Roma minorities across the region. According to the World Bank, in Hungary the poverty rate is about five times greater among Roma than among non-Roma.

Over the years Amnesty International had been particularly concerned about allegations of torture and ill-treatment of Roma by law enforcement agents as well as about incidents of racist violence in which the Roma had not been adequately protected.

Also, from: http://web.amnesty.org/wire/February2002/Europe_Roma

Across Europe, Roma face discrimination. In most countries they are economically deprived and socially marginalized. In many they are abused by the police. Low levels of literacy and qualifications, combined with discrimination in employment, leave the vast majority of Roma unemployed. The resultant poverty leads some Roma into crime, mainly theft. This is used by politicians and the media to stir up even more prejudice against them...

...The situation of Roma in Kosovo remains precarious because of inter-ethnic tensions and violent attacks. Fears for their security restrict their right to freedom of movement, making access to food, work, schooling and healthcare difficult. Large numbers of Roma from Kosovo remain displaced in Serbia or Montenegro; those who remain in Kosovo fear violent attacks from sections of the ethnic Albanian population who regarded them as Serb "collaborators" during the war in 1999.

Anyways, I'm saying that the whole persecuted gypsie Doom origin storyline might still relevant in modern times.

[wetgorilla]

The following text was e-mailed to me by a fellow admirer of the "classic" Doctor Victor Von Doom. I felt that this individual expressed what Doom is all about so well, I thought I might share it with the rest of the class. Enjoy and learn...:doom:
I thought I would clarify something about Darth Vader. Although clearly created out of the inspiration of DOOM, the dark lord of the EMpire is a truly cool character and in many ways unique from DOOM. The problem is, Marvel is missing it's opportunity to crown king the " MAN IN THE IRON MASK" Lord DOOM. This should be a time of celebration, where people are introduced to the most complex villain of all time. Instead, Marvel has made him a 2nd rate thug, who quite frankly will be forgotten quicker than the so called "KINGPIN". At least we have Batman, they showed an awesome trailer for it on the SUPERBOWL and it looks great. Once this movie comes out, there will be no going back. You won't be able to erase the foolish interpretation of DOOM that Marvel has cheaply decided to embrace.I say thee, my friend, that it is the DOOM of Kirby and Lee that we shall 4ever uphold with respect, "not to mention abject terror." There is no one who rivals the mastery of Victor Von Doom! If Doom heard me say this he would say simply, " Silence you fool!" There is no need to state the obvious!" Doom is supreme, now leave my presence at once lackey!!!"":doom:

So perfectly put my friend! You and VictorVonDoomX know exactly how many of us feel about Doom. The reason Marvel is failing now...is because the Marvel of today is not the same one that was back in the 60's, 70's and even 80's. They were bought out and an entirely new management team with different business goals took over. They have neither creativity or the ability to interpret a golden opportunity when given them. It would be beneath Doom himself to spare more than a nano-second of his attention on this matter!

Wetgorilla
:batman:

[The Navigator]

At this point we've 1500 posts on the same stuff. Some people hate everythign about this movie some don't. Let's just see how it translates onscreen. There are few Superhero movies that I love 100% but at least I give them a chance instead of buring it before it even premieres. I guess what I mean to say is, let's borrow a little positivity from albafan and give peace ... I mean movie doom a chance.

Just as your namesake turned to the dark side, so it is that you traverse the same path.....

[Saph]

If this is how the movie goes I won't have a problem with Doom. First of all, that doesn't look like a organic metal face. It looks like a mask. Second of all, I believe his character will be realised. Doom has a very OOT personality right? Then, if you look at it this way, the whole love triangle doesn't look so bad: If Sue leaves doom for reed, the person he hates the most, the comic Doom wouldn't understand why Sue did that, as Doom is so perfect, right? Doom in the comics would be outraged. He'd lose all 'love' for Sue, thinking her a fool. Johnny and Ben would be 'annoyances' for helping Reed, and Reed had it coming, from Doom's point of view.

Doesn't that sound much better than 'Doom is jealous because Reed gets the girl, so he decides to kill them all.'?

And the whole businessman thing: I heard Julian McMahon is signed on for two movies. Perhaps in the second (or even first) movie, we find out that Doom is using the businessman angle as a front: to grow his power until he decides to get his Latveria back.

However, the organic and electricity thing: you're basically screwed in that department. :(

[Iron Maiden]

Anyways, I'm saying that the whole persecuted gypsie Doom origin storyline might still relevant in modern times.

This is a very good point and one I pointed out also several weeks ago. This is an ongoing problem that still gets swept under the rug because you seldom read about this here in the US. I read a rather long article in the Chicago Tribune how this is a serious quandry in the fledgling European Union. Some countries (I won't name) fear that the EU allows the Roma too much freedom to move about Europe - - and that scares them. They don't want them in their backyard.

They could touch upon this very briefly in the movie and there is no need to spend an hour on a Doom origin. The most perfect example; how much time did they spend on Keyser Sose's back story in "Usual Suspects"? If you haven't seen the movie, it took up less than 5 minutes to know all you needed to know to move the story forward.

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[HerosOnFilm]

Same thing with Magneto in X-men...the flashback sequence didn't take up much time and really helped with understanding the character.

[Willie Lumpkin]

Spend some time in Europe, and you will see that there is still a problem with persecuted "gypsies".

"Gypsy" is a fairly generic term that refers to poor people who have no real homeland. There was a time when it was associated primarily to a specific eastern European group (I think they came from Turkey originally, not sure), but now they are often from North African countries (in the case of Italy which I'm familiar with) or other areas.

The romantic view of them telling fortunes probably has some basis in fact, but I'm guessing that in the past, as now, the hard reality also involved quite a bit of prostitution, pick-pocketing etc.

[Iron Maiden]

Spend some time in Europe, and you will see that there is still a problem with persecuted "gypsies".

"Gypsy" is a fairly generic term that refers to poor people who have no real homeland. There was a time when it was associated primarily to a specific eastern European group (I think they came from Turkey originally, not sure), but now they are often from North African countries (in the case of Italy which I'm familiar with) or other areas.

The romantic view of them telling fortunes probably has some basis in fact, but I'm guessing that in the past, as now, the hard reality also involved quite a bit of prostitution, pick-pocketing etc.

Most recently, there are instances where Doom refers to himself as the more correct Roma. The generic term "gypsy" comes from the mistaken belief that started when they migrated to Europe in the Middle Ages. It was thought that they had come from Egypt. Truly, the Roma came from the Northern India province/kingdom of Punjab. They were led by a legendary group of warrior princes and for some reason got exiled from their homeland is one version I read. But their history is pretty muddled over the intervening centuries

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[Herr Logan]

This is a very good point and one I pointed out also several weeks ago. This is an ongoing problem that still gets swept under the rug because you seldom read about this here in the US. I read a rather long article in the Chicago Tribune how this is a serious quandry in the fledgling European Union. Some countries (I won't name) fear that the EU allows the Roma too much freedom to move about Europe - - and that scares them. They don't want them in their backyard.

They could touch upon this very briefly in the movie and there is no need to spend an hour on a Doom origin. The most perfect example; how much time did they spend on Keyser Sose's back story in "Usual Suspects"? If you haven't seen the movie, it took up less than 5 minutes to know all you needed to know to move the story forward.

http://www.members.aol.com/madamehydra/IM.jpg

Keyser Sose is the perfect example for telling a condensed and creepy origin. :up:

:wolverine

[TheSaintofKillers]

Fantastic Four

Julian McMahon visited this year’s WonderCon to talk about his upcoming role as Victor Von Doom in the Fantastic Four movie, now slated to premiere on July 8.

McMahon called the role a “childhood dream” and said he was honored to play the “greatest arch-villain of all time”.

In researching for the role, McMahon cited both the comics and the old Fantastic Four cartoon, which he used to watch on Saturday mornings as a boy growing up in Australia.

On acting behind a prosthetic mask, McMahon pointed out that the mask makes Doom a different person.

A clip was aired showing previously-unseen snippets from the movie. The clip reveals a source of Doctor Doom’s power that is different from his well-known comic book origin.

The scene shows Victor Von Doom after the incident in space which transforms both him and the FF. The doctor says that Von Doom's tissues are changing from flesh into a substance that is harder the diamond--in three weeks, his entire body will be transformed. The clip shows Von Doom murdering the doctor and making a flippant remark that he needed a second opinion.

Apparently in the movie version, Von Doom is a self-obsessed billionaire, "not unlike Rupert Murdoch" (the Fox exective cringed when McMahon said that). Also in a different take from the comic, Von Doom has dated Sue Storm in the past, and this creates romantic tension between him and Reed Richards. McMahon spoke about trying different accents throughout the film to approach an Eastern European flavor, yet in the clip shown, he spoke with an American accent.

McMahon spoke about seeing the Fantastic Four cartoons as a kid in Australia, then later reading the comics upon which they were based. It was quite amusing when a fan asked if Galactus was going to be in the second film, and McMahon had no ideawho
this was. "Yes, bring Galactus, I'll kick his ass in the next movie!"

In the movie, Doom has a “progressive illness” that slowly turns his body into living metal.

Also gone will be Doom’s Eastern Europen monarch status.

[TheSaintofKillers]

Oh dear lord in heaven, things are even WORSE then I though. This might be even worse than CINO. :(

[Herr Logan]

Oh dear lord in heaven, things are even WORSE then I though. This might be even worse than CINO. :(

Oh, quit whining and *****ing.
If you were any good at being a conformist slave that regurgitates mindless phrases like "keep an open mind" and "we haven't seen the movie yet," you wouldn't be insulting Fox's efforts to bring us a version of the Fantastic Four that is watered down enough so as not to raise the masses' expectations for future movies. :mad:

;)

:(

:wolverine

[The Navigator]

Oh, quit whining and *****ing.
If you were any good at being a conformist slave that regurgitates mindless phrases like "keep an open mind" and "we haven't seen the movie yet," you wouldn't be insulting Fox's efforts to bring us a version of the Fantastic Four that is watered down enough so as not to raise the masses' expectations for future movies. :mad:

;)

:(

:wolverine

This entire film reminds me of the last half of Aliens...when the ugly things just keep getting closer and closer...
http://www.michaelbiehnfanclub.com/images/filmography/aliens/photogallery/images/65.jpg
http://www.michaelbiehnfanclub.com/images/filmography/aliens/photogallery/images/71.jpg

Until it's here...
http://www.michaelbiehnfanclub.com/images/filmography/aliens/photogallery/images/27.jpg

[Saph]

Guys, I think this Doom may be closer to the comics Doom than we thought; read at my view on Dooms character in the movie.


The Love Triangle issue: If you consider the Doom in the comics, Doom becoming crazy because Sue dumped him for Reed makes perfect sense. Doom thinks he's the most perfect human being on earth. He has this beautiful woman, but then, that woman goes off with the person he hates the most. How dare she leave the most perfect being in existence for that cursed Richards? She's a fool.

The Businessman issue: Fox is reshooting the final act. They've put another $20m into it. Maybe they've been listening to us fans, and it will be revealed Von Doom Industries is only a means of growing his powers, so he can rightfully take the throne of his loved Latveria.

Von Doom Industries: There's a freaking huge statue of himself holding atoms. How freaking full of yourself must you be to make something like that? And the atoms in his hands symbolise his control over power and sciences.

[Herr Logan]

Guys, I think this Doom may be closer to the comics Doom than we thought; read at my view on Dooms character in the movie.


The Love Triangle issue: If you consider the Doom in the comics, Doom becoming crazy because Sue dumped him for Reed makes perfect sense. Doom thinks he's the most perfect human being on earth. He has this beautiful woman, but then, that woman goes off with the person he hates the most. How dare she leave the most perfect being in existence for that cursed Richards? She's a fool.

The Businessman issue: Fox is reshooting the final act. They've put another $20m into it. Maybe they've been listening to us fans, and it will be revealed Von Doom Industries is only a means of growing his powers, so he can rightfully take the throne of his loved Latveria.

Von Doom Industries: There's a freaking huge statue of himself holding atoms. How freaking full of yourself must you be to make something like that? And the atoms in his hands symbolise his control over power and sciences.

Don't do it, Saph... Don't you go gettin' hooked on sunshine and bull*****... it'll fry your brain!! :(

:wolverine

[The Navigator]

Guys, I think this Doom may be closer to the comics Doom than we thought; read at my view on Dooms character in the movie.


The Love Triangle issue: If you consider the Doom in the comics, Doom becoming crazy because Sue dumped him for Reed makes perfect sense. Doom thinks he's the most perfect human being on earth. He has this beautiful woman, but then, that woman goes off with the person he hates the most. How dare she leave the most perfect being in existence for that cursed Richards? She's a fool.

The Businessman issue: Fox is reshooting the final act. They've put another $20m into it. Maybe they've been listening to us fans, and it will be revealed Von Doom Industries is only a means of growing his powers, so he can rightfully take the throne of his loved Latveria.

Von Doom Industries: There's a freaking huge statue of himself holding atoms. How freaking full of yourself must you be to make something like that? And the atoms in his hands symbolise his control over power and sciences.

To reiterate:
http://www.michaelbiehnfanclub.com/images/filmography/aliens/photogallery/images/27.jpg

"Help with the goddamn door!!"

Your points are well-made, Saph, but I'm not sure about this. Doom when he's Doom doesn't much look like Doom (Wow, he has a metal face and a hood.....and a jacket similar to the Matrix, except that it's green and not shiny.), and tweaking the ending may not save much. (Admit it--putting 20 million more in RoboCop 3 wouldn't have solved much of anything.)

But at least SOMEONE's optomistic...

[Saph]

Don't do it, Saph... Don't you go gettin' hooked on sunshine and bull*****... it'll fry your brain!! :(

:wolverine

I don't think it's 'bull*****', I honestly believe that, AND deduced it on my own. I hope you don't only like me because I agreed with your views on the Spider-Man movies, Herr, I can't stand things like that. ;)

Here's a good, hard fact Herr, Julian McMahon is signed on for two movies. Perhaps more of the Doom we know will be included in the sequal.

[Saph]

To reiterate:
http://www.michaelbiehnfanclub.com/images/filmography/aliens/photogallery/images/27.jpg

"Help with the goddamn door!!"

Your points are well-made, Saph, but I'm not sure about this. Doom when he's Doom doesn't much look like Doom (Wow, he has a metal face and a hood.....and a jacket similar to the Matrix, except that it's green and not shiny.), and tweaking the ending may not save much. (Admit it--putting 20 million more in RoboCop 3 wouldn't have solved much of anything.)

But at least SOMEONE's optomistic...

I don't think it's all that matrix looking. Plus, that's just an early stage Doom, his look evolves throughout the film to look more like the Doom in the comics. Look at the thread that shows the Lego box for the FF movie, Doom is wearing the comic costume.

[The Navigator]

I don't think it's all that matrix looking. Plus, that's just an early stage Doom, his look evolves throughout the film to look more like the Doom in the comics. Look at the thread that shows the Lego box for the FF movie, Doom is wearing the comic costume.

With beefy, exposed armored arms?

Well, now....that's an improvement.

[Saph]

With beefy, exposed armored arms?

Well, now....that's an improvement.

Is that sarcasm?

The Doom figure has a cape, the gold chain connecting the buttons.. The whole thing. How can you be disappointed with that?

[The Navigator]

Is that sarcasm?

The Doom figure has a cape, the gold chain connecting the buttons.. The whole thing. How can you be disappointed with that?

No, it's not sarcasm. I want to see a muscular Doom like in the comics and not some longshoreman appearance. Coolness. :up:

[Saph]

No, it's not sarcasm. I want to see a muscular Doom like in the comics and not some longshoreman appearance. Coolness. :up:

Good, because Doom in this movie is described as 6'4'' and built like a tank. Does that sound muscular enough to you?

[The Navigator]

Good, because Doom in this movie is described as 6'4'' and built like a tank. Does that sound muscular enough to you?

It better. :D

Yeah, I want to see Doom built like this:
http://robocoparchive.com/old/robo1-12.jpg
Broad chest and shoulders, powerful arms, legs that could crush a Toyota's hood. If that's how Doom looks by the end, so much the better. :up:

[Saph]

It better. :D

Yeah, I want to see Doom built like this:
http://robocoparchive.com/old/robo1-12.jpg
Broad chest and shoulders, powerful arms, legs that could crush a Toyota's hood. If that's how Doom looks by the end, so much the better. :up:

Same skin condition, too. :D

[The Navigator]

Exactly. ;)

[Herr Logan]

I don't think it's 'bull*****', I honestly believe that, AND deduced it on my own. I hope you don't only like me because I agreed with your views on the Spider-Man movies, Herr, I can't stand things like that. ;)

Here's a good, hard fact Herr, Julian McMahon is signed on for two movies. Perhaps more of the Doom we know will be included in the sequal.

I don't just like you because you agree with me. I like you because you make good points. I happen to agree with those points because... well... they're good points, and I'm into that sort of thing. Also, I don't agree with everything you said on the Spider-Man boards, but the vast majority of what you said was intelligent, truthful and well-written.

I just get nervous when people start giving credibility to positive PR from a corporation we already know is in the habit of bastardizing good characters and stories.

Let's face it, if what we currently have been told about Doom's character in the movie is true, then they've failed to give the character his due respect. If they somehow magically and implausibly change the entire basis of the character and massive chunks of the story so that it's both faithful and well-written, then I'll be wrong but happy. If I believed their positive press, then I'll be wrong and disappointed. The power of negative thinking is awesome indeed. :wolverine

[Herr Logan]

Good, because Doom in this movie is described as 6'4'' and built like a tank. Does that sound muscular enough to you?

Looks aren't everything, and clothes don't make the man. I absolutely loved the Spider-Man costume in "Spider-Man 2," and Doctor Octopus also looked awesome, but that doesn't make them good characters. While there's absolutely no excuse for failing to recreate the original appearance of a character from one visual medium to another, the writing is still more important. :wolverine

[Head>On<Collider]

Spiderman was a monetary success. It was also a blockbuster film that statistically outgrossed all other comic book movies. I didn't like them like everyone else seemed to, and I was strongly disappointed in them in many ways, but there were also certain things I liked about them that I think made up for all the flaws. For one, I must have never knew enough about Dr. Octopus to see a better way to do him ...at least enough to get upset over that aspect, I lved the action scenes, even though I agree that they really didn't have to go the route of making the audience relate to him. I thought the second one was overly stretched out into a "Oh, I DO want to be Spiderman, I don't want to be Spiderman....I want a life of my own, I can't have a life of my own,...." I found myself saying " ALL RIGHT ALREADY!....I GET IT NOW!" and it STILL went on........I pretty much observed that the movie really went into Spiderman at the last act.........
Anyway.; This movie may just have a high success, and may indeed be a blockbuster. The reason I'm already disapointed in it so far, is all the proof I've seen so far with the direction they've chosen to go with it. It could've been done so well but they chose to play it safe with a cliche storyline and a cliche hype that cheapened what I as well as others have recognized as.

[Cypher]

http://img150.exs.cx/img150/1218/drdoom0km.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Kelly]

LMAO......its midget Doom....LOL

[Saph]

Looks aren't everything, and clothes don't make the man. I absolutely loved the Spider-Man costume in "Spider-Man 2," and Doctor Octopus also looked awesome, but that doesn't make them good characters. While there's absolutely no excuse for failing to recreate the original appearance of a character from one visual medium to another, the writing is still more important. :wolverine

I was talking to Rabbit about his look.. I was stating facts. Never in my posts did i say his look will make him more like the comic.

[Saph]

I don't just like you because you agree with me. I like you because you make good points. I happen to agree with those points because... well... they're good points, and I'm into that sort of thing. Also, I don't agree with everything you said on the Spider-Man boards, but the vast majority of what you said was intelligent, truthful and well-written.

I just get nervous when people start giving credibility to positive PR from a corporation we already know is in the habit of bastardizing good characters and stories.

Let's face it, if what we currently have been told about Doom's character in the movie is true, then they've failed to give the character his due respect. If they somehow magically and implausibly change the entire basis of the character and massive chunks of the story so that it's both faithful and well-written, then I'll be wrong but happy. If I believed their positive press, then I'll be wrong and disappointed. The power of negative thinking is awesome indeed. :wolverine

Well, if having low hopes will make the movie good for you, that's fine, but I've heard a lot of evidence about Doom claiming his castle in Latveria at the end, so keep that in mind.

[Herr Logan]

I was talking to Rabbit about his look.. I was stating facts. Never in my posts did i say his look will make him more like the comic.

Hey, I'm not tryin' to start a fight, here. I'm just standing firm on my refusal to give credibility to what meager scraps Fox or Marvel Films deign to throw my way. There have been numerous interviews in which it was plainly spelled out that Doom's only motivation was to get revenge on Reed Richards, and we already know that the primary source of tension between Richards and Doom is Susan Storm, not an intelligectual rivalry. We also have solid confirmation that Doom will be have superpowers and deformities that go way beyond both the "one little scratch" version and the "he screwed up his whole damn face" version of Doom's history, thereby negating any vanity on Doom's part that goes beyond what any other human being would display. Who wouldn't be pissed off if they got exposed to cosmic rays and turned into a freak? There's nothing notable about a CEO that gets turned into a super-freak and uses it to take revenge on his colleague for stealing his girl. We also have confirmation that Doom is a coward who hides like a little ***** when the cosmic storm hits. This is not the real Doom, and not even a fully faithful costume that is devoid of the ubiquitous trench coat cliche (hell, I'm wearing a trench coat right now and have for many years, and even I'm sick and tired of seeing it) can compensate for the fact that they've turned a great villain into a pathetic parody. I'd be willing to bet two whole dollars (I'm not a betting man) that everything I mentioned about this movie(minus the hypothetical coat-less costume) will be in the finished product. If you thought Spider-Man was flawed, just keep in mind that there was a hard-core fan director who's been around for a while that gave us a mediocre product both because he himself doesn't get it and Avi Arad is actually in charge. With this film, we've got a guy who's never directed an action movie worth mentioning and is a total puppet for Arad. We had more hope with Spider-Man, and we still got shafted. What hope do we have here? :wolverine

[Saph]

Hey, I'm not tryin' to start a fight, here. I'm just standing firm on my refusal to give credibility to what meager scraps Fox or Marvel Films deign to throw my way. There have been numerous interviews in which it was plainly spelled out that Doom's only motivation was to get revenge on Reed Richards, and we already know that the primary source of tension between Richards and Doom is Susan Storm, not an intelligectual rivalry. We also have solid confirmation that Doom will be have superpowers and deformities that go way beyond both the "one little scratch" version and the "he screwed up his whole damn face" version of Doom's history, thereby negating any vanity on Doom's part that goes beyond what any other human being would display. Who wouldn't be pissed off if they got exposed to cosmic rays and turned into a freak? There's nothing notable about a CEO that gets turned into a super-freak and uses it to take revenge on his colleague for stealing his girl. We also have confirmation that Doom is a coward who hides like a little ***** when the cosmic storm hits. This is not the real Doom, and not even a fully faithful costume that is devoid of the ubiquitous trench coat cliche (hell, I'm wearing a trench coat right now and have for many years, and even I'm sick and tired of seeing it) can compensate for the fact that they've turned a great villain into a pathetic parody. I'd be willing to bet two whole dollars (I'm not a betting man) that everything I mentioned about this movie(minus the hypothetical coat-less costume) will be in the finished product. If you thought Spider-Man was flawed, just keep in mind that there was a hard-core fan director who's been around for a while that gave us a mediocre product both because he himself doesn't get it and Avi Arad is actually in charge. With this film, we've got a guy who's never directed an action movie worth mentioning and is a total puppet for Arad. We had more hope with Spider-Man, and we still got shafted. What hope do we have here? :wolverine

What hope do we have here? The fantastic Four are basically themselves from the comics. They're characterisation is looking perfect. Tim Story specialises in family relationships. He obviously can handle action, as seen in the trailers. That script is obviously not the final version, otherwise we would know everything about it. Albafan and Lockjaw have repeatedly said: ''We know nothing about this movie'', and Albafan has read that Frost script.

I am hoping this movie will be good, and so far it is looking fantastic. Doom is my only worry right now, and I bet we will get a good Doom.

[Head>On<Collider]

What hope do we have here? The fantastic Four are basically themselves from the comics. They're characterisation is looking perfect. Tim Story specialises in family relationships. He obviously can handle action, as seen in the trailers. That script is obviously not the final version, otherwise we would know everything about it. Albafan and Lockjaw have repeatedly said: ''We know nothing about this movie'', and Albafan has read that Frost script.

I am hoping this movie will be good, and so far it is looking fantastic. Doom is my only worry right now, and I bet we will get a good Doom.Have you read the Frost script Saph?

[Saph]

Have you read the Frost script Saph?

No, but rest assured I have been studying a lot about this movie, and everybody who has read the frost script have had a positive reaction to the FF themselves.

[Saph]

A quote from my Doom thread:

Doom in the movie isn't the Doom of the Frost Script. I read the Script and I've heard what happens in the movie, he's different. The story is different and I'm sure all the lines are different and I'm sure they are adding a lot of scenes in. My guess is he will turn evil a lot sooner then in the Frost Script.

[Head>On<Collider]

No, but rest assured I have been studying a lot about this movie, and everybody who has read the frost script have had a positive reaction to the FF themselves.I strongly suggest reading it for yourself. I've read the script and I had no positive reaction to it in any way, shape or form; neither did most people I've heard read it.

Doom in the movie isn't the Doom of the Frost Script. I read the Script and I've heard what happens in the movie, he's different. The story is different and I'm sure all the lines are different and I'm sure they are adding a lot of scenes in. My guess is he will turn evil a lot sooner then in the Frost Script.
I too hear what he is in the movie and my news to you is that they are sticking with the horrible Frost script in many way. I'm sure he's "evil" in the movie, and it doesn't matter how early in the film he turns it, the fact is, that they rewrote every good attribute the character always had to begin with and replaced those attributes with a bull***** storyline, along with a bull***** purpose for turning "evil" , along with him turning into a mutant. Movie Doom is light years away from original Doom. If you're happy with that, then that's just fine with me, but don't say that they're sticking with his origins or that they're getting him right here, because they're not. They're utterly ruining him. This is DINO.

[Herr Logan]

No, but rest assured I have been studying a lot about this movie, and everybody who has read the frost script have had a positive reaction to the FF themselves.

I read it. The version I read didn't have a third act, but Doom's character is watered-down and bastardized long before that. Orange9mm has read it (I'm pretty sure he has, anyway). We have some pretty damn negative reactions to it.

I heard they were staying pretty close to the Frost script, but I have no way of knowing that's true. What I do know is what I said earlier. All that stuff has been consistently confirmed by various sources. Tim Story, Avi Arad, Julian McMahon, other PR releases... It all adds up to one of the greatest villains in fiction being diluted and neutered. By giving him superpowers of his own and a point of tension with Richards that "most people can relate to" (i.e. a typical love triangle), they've completely rejected integrity and respect for Dr. Doom. :wolverine

[Head>On<Collider]

I read it. The version I read didn't have a third act, but Doom's character is watered-down and bastardized long before that. Orange9mm has read it (I'm pretty sure he has, anyway). We have some pretty damn negative reactions to it.

I heard they were staying pretty close to the Frost script, but I have no way of knowing that's true. What I do know is what I said earlier. All that stuff has been consistently confirmed by various sources. Tim Story, Avi Arad, Julian McMahon, other PR releases... It all adds up to one of the greatest villains in fiction being diluted and neutered. By giving him superpowers of his own and a point of tension with Richards that "most people can relate to" (i.e. a typical love triangle), they've completely rejected integrity and respect for Dr. Doom. :wolverineYou bet I've read it. I'm actually someone who at first came to the boards with an enthusiastic outlook on this film. It took months of objective observation to conclude what I'm saying.... I mean.....http://img90.exs.cx/img90/7628/doomfacts1xo.jpg
This toy package alone proves that they ran with the Frost script. Call him Doom all you want, it's not him, maybe Dr. Damn, but not Dr. Doom.
BTW, as a reminder, Ultimate Doom sucks the iron out of his armor and they should have in no way. shape or form had used him as a blueprint ever.

[Herr Logan]

You bet I've read it. I'm actually someone who at first came to the boards with an enthusiastic outlook on this film. It took months of objective observation to conclude what I'm saying.... I mean.....http://img90.exs.cx/img90/7628/doomfacts1xo.jpg
This toy package alone proves that they ran with the Frost script. Call him Doom all you want, it's not him, maybe Dr. Damn, but not Dr. Doom.
BTW, as a reminder, Ultimate Doom sucks the iron out of his armor and they should have in no way. shape or form had used him as a blueprint ever.

Damn right. That package right there is one of my sources of this heart-breaking news. Whether or not they're technically using most of the actual Frost script, the damage to Doom is about the same.
This is not Dr. Doom. This guy isn't fit to polish Doom's armor or iron his cloak. If they had gone with the Dr. Doom who took a liking to Storm from the X-Men and let Arcade live after insulting him, I'd have been okay with that. That guy turned out to be a defective Doom bot, but he was still a passable Doom. Anything resembling Ultimate Doom is an insult, and the idea of making this a love triangle story is just so cliche and predictable it makes me want to cry. :wolverine

[Head>On<Collider]

Damn right. That package right there is one of my sources of this heart-breaking news. Whether or not they're technically using most of the actual Frost script, the damage to Doom is about the same.
This is not Dr. Doom. This guy isn't fit to polish Doom's armor or iron his cloak. If they had gone with the Dr. Doom who took a liking to Storm from the X-Men and let Arcade live after insulting him, I'd have been okay with that. That guy turned out to be a defective Doom bot, but he was still a passable Doom. Anything resembling Ultimate Doom is an insult, and the idea of making this a love triangle story is just so cliche and predictable it makes me want to cry. :wolverineThe love story? I forgot about that even;and it's really The organic metal mutation thing is what does it to me! Dr Doom was the Batman of Marvel, and now a world wide audience is gonna see one of the biggest misrepresentations in cinematic history.

[portland2002]

Hey, I'm not tryin' to start a fight, here. I'm just standing firm on my refusal to give credibility to what meager scraps Fox or Marvel Films deign to throw my way. There have been numerous interviews in which it was plainly spelled out that Doom's only motivation was to get revenge on Reed Richards, and we already know that the primary source of tension between Richards and Doom is Susan Storm, not an intelligectual rivalry. We also have solid confirmation that Doom will be have superpowers and deformities that go way beyond both the "one little scratch" version and the "he screwed up his whole damn face" version of Doom's history, thereby negating any vanity on Doom's part that goes beyond what any other human being would display. Who wouldn't be pissed off if they got exposed to cosmic rays and turned into a freak? There's nothing notable about a CEO that gets turned into a super-freak and uses it to take revenge on his colleague for stealing his girl. We also have confirmation that Doom is a coward who hides like a little ***** when the cosmic storm hits. This is not the real Doom, and not even a fully faithful costume that is devoid of the ubiquitous trench coat cliche (hell, I'm wearing a trench coat right now and have for many years, and even I'm sick and tired of seeing it) can compensate for the fact that they've turned a great villain into a pathetic parody. I'd be willing to bet two whole dollars (I'm not a betting man) that everything I mentioned about this movie(minus the hypothetical coat-less costume) will be in the finished product. If you thought Spider-Man was flawed, just keep in mind that there was a hard-core fan director who's been around for a while that gave us a mediocre product both because he himself doesn't get it and Avi Arad is actually in charge. With this film, we've got a guy who's never directed an action movie worth mentioning and is a total puppet for Arad. We had more hope with Spider-Man, and we still got shafted. What hope do we have here? :wolverine

Taking everything into account, will you still see the movie?

[Herr Logan]

Taking everything into account, will you still see the movie?

Yes, I will.

I'm very curious about the aspects of the movie that haven't been confirmed as failures (mostly content surrounding the actual Fantastic Four, aside from Reed and Sue's angsty nonsense). That, and I don't intend to be unprepared on this battlefield when everyone comes back to give their version of what they saw in the theaters. :wolverine

[Willie Lumpkin]

Yes, I will.

I'm very curious about the aspects of the movie that haven't been confirmed as failures (mostly content surrounding the actual Fantastic Four, aside from Reed and Sue's angsty nonsense). That, and I don't intend to be unprepared on this battlefield when everyone comes back to give their version of what they saw in the theaters. :wolverine

If you really want Fox to listen to you, withholding your 8 dollars will do infinitely more than 1000 internet posts.

[Herr Logan]

If you really want Fox to listen to you, withholding your 8 dollars will do infinitely more than 1000 internet posts.

Aw, man! I totally forgot that Fox was keeping track of all my purchases! If I didn't see the movie, they'd finally see that it would be in their best interest to make a superhero movie that faithfully and respectfully portrayed classic, beloved characters! Withholding 8 dollars is a direct and clear message they'll have to acknowlege!

You're right, Willie. I'm going to give up posting here, cold turkey. That'll show Fox! :up:

:wolverine

[HerosOnFilm]

Granted, I'm going to reserve some judgement until I see the movie, but it seems many fans have this fear that Doom will end up being the Gene Hackman Lex Luthor of our time. Now hang on a second... :p when I say this, I mean it in that Hackman's portrayal of Luthor was not true to the comics, sure, he professed to be a genius and was maniacal/evil, etc, but it wasn't a truthful representation of the character. Even the hairpiece aside, he was a joke of a villian.

Now, here we have (I won't say "equally") a character such as Doom, who has such a loyal fan base despite that he is a VILLIAN, and it would appear that it's possible that his character could be equally misrepresented onscreen.

Was Superman a great movie despite a campy Lex Luthor? Yes. Could the FF be successful even if the character of Doom is flawed or "loosely interpreted"? Well...yes. Do I like organic armor? No. Do I hate that there may not be any backstory regarding his Latverian roots or origin? Yes. But, can Julian pull off the character respectfully and still make Doom an awesome villian? It's possible.

Are people more angry that he has super-strength, organic armor and energy blasts from the cosmic rays, or are people more angry that he isn't portrayed as the Sovereign Monarch of Latveria; the master of science and the mystic arts?

Someone earlier had compared Doom to Bruce Wayne. There are some similarities, I don't want to argue about that; however, imagine how much of Batman Begins will be Bruce training, preparing for his ultimate destiny? There wouldn't be enough time in an FF movie to adequately build up Doom's backstory....sure, they could use flashbacks (as was done with Magneto in X-men) but the fact remains there are 4 other characters that need to be developed as well.

I think we may surprised at Doom's portrayal....it may not be as bad as everyone thinks it will be.

[Herr Logan]

Granted, I'm going to reserve some judgement until I see the movie, but it seems many fans have this fear that Doom will end up being the Gene Hackman Lex Luthor of our time. Now hang on a second... :p when I say this, I mean it in that Hackman's portrayal of Luthor was not true to the comics, sure, he professed to be a genius and was maniacal/evil, etc, but it wasn't a truthful representation of the character. Even the hairpiece aside, he was a joke of a villian.

Now, here we have (I won't say "equally") a character such as Doom, who has such a loyal fan base despite that he is a VILLIAN, and it would appear that it's possible that his character could be equally misrepresented onscreen.

Was Superman a great movie despite a campy Lex Luthor? Yes. Could the FF be successful even if the character of Doom is flawed or "loosely interpreted"? Well...yes. Do I like organic armor? No. Do I hate that there may not be any backstory regarding his Latverian roots or origin? Yes. But, can Julian pull off the character respectfully and still make Doom an awesome villian? It's possible.

Are people more angry that he has super-strength, organic armor and energy blasts from the cosmic rays, or are people more angry that he isn't portrayed as the Sovereign Monarch of Latveria; the master of science and the mystic arts?

Someone earlier had compared Doom to Bruce Wayne. There are some similarities, I don't want to argue about that; however, imagine how much of Batman Begins will be Bruce training, preparing for his ultimate destiny? There wouldn't be enough time in an FF movie to adequately build up Doom's backstory....sure, they could use flashbacks (as was done with Magneto in X-men) but the fact remains there are 4 other characters that need to be developed as well.

I think we may surprised at Doom's portrayal....it may not be as bad as everyone thinks it will be.

It's been stated and elaborated on many, many times on these boards that an adequate amount of Dr. Doom's origin could easily be given in less than ten minutes. "Batman Begins" isn't even close to a valid comparison. Especially since the truth is, Bruce Wayne doesn't even need as much origin screentime as he'll get in "Batman Begins." The focus should be quality, not quantity, and it's really not that hard to sum up a character's origins, spread it out over the course of the film, and get the point across in a cinematically impressive way when we've got thousands of sources from which to quickly retrieve the information. All it would take is one person who knows Doom's character backwards and forwards and one person who knows how to edit a good movie. This would take less than a week to put together if the involved parties were serious about it, and it could easily result in a brief and properly dispersed amount of time set aside for Doom's origin as well as various bits of dialogue that reveal further information. This isn't rocket science. All that is required is information, an adequate sense of time management and film-making, and freedom from preposterously limited imaginary laws about what or what isn't possible in a movie. The idea that it's impossible to condense this origin is the result of propaganda or some other form of brainwashing designed to keep people complacent and easily manipulated, because it certainly has no grounding in reality. I couldn't do it, because I don't have film experience, but I've known people that could pull this off in their sleep if they had the right background information and exposure to the style in which the character has portrayed. :wolverine

[Ratcrawler]

Some Doom Art I found :)

http://comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/5/DOCTOR_DOOM.jpg
http://comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/5/DOCTOR_DOOM.jpg

http://comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/32/dr._doom_vs_darth_vader.jpg
http://comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/32/dr._doom_vs_darth_vader.jpg

http://comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/5/Doom4.jpg
http://comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/5/Doom4.jpg

http://comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/85/FFWGCM12.jpg
http://comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/85/FFWGCM12.jpg

http://comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/1/Doom_2099.jpg
http://comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/1/Doom_2099.jpg

http://comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/3/Doom_Vs_Namor.jpg
http://comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/3/Doom_Vs_Namor.jpg

[Ratcrawler]

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[Willie Lumpkin]

Aw, man! I totally forgot that Fox was keeping track of all my purchases! If I didn't see the movie, they'd finally see that it would be in their best interest to make a superhero movie that faithfully and respectfully portrayed classic, beloved characters! Withholding 8 dollars is a direct and clear message they'll have to acknowlege!

You're right, Willie. I'm going to give up posting here, cold turkey. That'll show Fox! :up:

:wolverine


Are you really that foolish? Do you really think you're accomplishing anything by complaining?

Controversy = publicity = box office dollars - Simple as that.

YOU and people like you are the primary reason that we get unfaithful adaptation after unfaithful adaptation.

Fox is not in the business of making faithful adaptations. Fox is not in the business of making quality movies. Fox is in the business of making money.

How much money do you think The Passion of The Christ would have made if people weren't talking about it before it came out?

Everytime a Fox bean counter reads one of your posts, he sheds a tiny tear in his champagne. To top it off, you're not only helping them by giving them publicity, but you're going to spend money to see the film?!?!

You're a hypocrite plain and simple.

People who are looking forward to the film will back up their words by buying tickets. Clearly your words are meaningless.

Now I just have to figure out how to use that "ignore" function. . .

[Everyman]

Is it me or is the casting of Julian McMahon a syndrom of the many MANY mistakes they made with Doom? I mean, I don't know how good an actor he is, but given his records I doubt he has the maturity, charisma, presence, or skills to play Doom. Of course, this Doom is an evil tycoon, so they didn't need a Shakespearian actor to play him. But that is a scandal in itself....

[Herr Logan]

Are you really that foolish? Do you really think you're accomplishing anything by complaining?

Controversy = publicity = box office dollars - Simple as that.

YOU and people like you are the primary reason that we get unfaithful adaptation after unfaithful adaptation.

Fox is not in the business of making faithful adaptations. Fox is not in the business of making quality movies. Fox is in the business of making money.

How much money do you think The Passion of The Christ would have made if people weren't talking about it before it came out?

Everytime a Fox bean counter reads one of your posts, he sheds a tiny tear in his champagne. To top it off, you're not only helping them by giving them publicity, but you're going to spend money to see the film?!?!

You're a hypocrite plain and simple.

People who are looking forward to the film will back up their words by buying tickets. Clearly your words are meaningless.

Now I just have to figure out how to use that "ignore" function. . .

I wouldn't expect one such as you to understand that, even if discussion these movie online (or complaining, as you put it) brings no tangible results to an industry that is far beyond my control, it serves a purpose to the people involved. Some of us enjoy analytical thinking and discussion for its own sake. If that concept eludes you, I'll understand.

Yes, I am the reason why we get mediocre movies. Because I'm the one who's going to pay to see the movie several times in the theaters and then come back here and call everyone who didn't love the movie a whiner, thereby spreading the message of conformity and complacency. It's my fault these studios don't have the will to strive for a movie that will not only portray the characters faithfully but be considered a good movie on its own merits in most categories of filmmaking instead of just action. It's my fault that people like you feel the need to demand people be as compliant and servile as you.

I probably should have expected that you or one of your ilk would back portland up on his inane, pointed question. You probably think I was proving the pint he no doubt was going to make. Well, considering how generic, predictable and utterly nonsensical interpretation of all this is, I'm not going to shed any tears over it. This is a thread about one of the most brilliant supervillains ever written, so if you can't say anything intelligent, maybe you should say anything at all. Good luck figuring out the ignore function, and just keep telling yourself that if you did put me on ignore that you wouldn't stop commenting on me or my views. People like you can't stick to optimistic and complacent nonsense when other people are criticizing your little fantasy, so you whine about whining and in fact act far worse than people who chose to be honest about all this from the very beginning. :wolverine

[Milkman95]

A description of the footage of Dr. Doom shown at the WonderCon:

After that they showed a clip. It's standard villain stuff. Von Doom just had the accident and is in a hospital checking why his arm is turning into metal. A doctor tells Von Doom that his body is transforming and that it's gonna keep on doing so, and that he must be quarantined. Von Doom won't accept it and attacks the doctor. It's.... bad. But McMahon seems to be putting on a good performance. Sadly, they gave him stupid lines to work with. After he kills the doctor, Von Doom grabs his suit and walks out saying "I think I'll get a second opinion." Yeeesh.

Obviously, this person really didn't like it, but it's what I expected. More of a family/kids movie with some cheese - but that's accurate to the source material.......

[Saph]

A description of the footage of Dr. Doom shown at the WonderCon:

After that they showed a clip. It's standard villain stuff. Von Doom just had the accident and is in a hospital checking why his arm is turning into metal. A doctor tells Von Doom that his body is transforming and that it's gonna keep on doing so, and that he must be quarantined. Von Doom won't accept it and attacks the doctor. It's.... bad. But McMahon seems to be putting on a good performance. Sadly, they gave him stupid lines to work with. After he kills the doctor, Von Doom grabs his suit and walks out saying "I think I'll get a second opinion." Yeeesh.

Obviously, this person really didn't like it, but it's what I expected. More of a family/kids movie with some cheese - but that's accurate to the source material.......

Excuse me? ''I think i'll get a second opinion'' is a badass line, not cheesy at all.. considering he's just killed someone.

[TheSaintofKillers]

Excuse me? ''I think i'll get a second opinion'' is a badass line, not cheesy at all.. considering he's just killed someone.

But it does remind us all of the Green Goblin. Actually, it's nearly the same goddamn thing...

Except, no matter how ugly GG was, at least he was faithful. Here, it seems Doom will be neither.

[Saph]

But it does remind us all of the Green Goblin. Actually, it's nearly the same goddamn thing...

Except, no matter how ugly GG was, at least he was faithful. Here, it seems Doom will be neither.

How is these similair?

''Itsy bitsy Spider, went up the water spout. Out game the Goblin, and blew the Spider out!''

''Jameson, you slime!''

''Sleeeeep!''

''Finish it!''

compared to this..

''I think I need a second opinion.''

The difference is, the Goblin made me cringe. That line said by Doom doesn't.

I think your worry about Doom has blinded all positive points about him.

[TheSaintofKillers]

How is these similair?

''Itsy bitsy Spider, went up the water spout. Out game the Goblin, and blew the Spider out!''

''Jameson, you slime!''

''Sleeeeep!''

''Finish it!''

compared to this..

''I think I need a second opinion.''

The difference is, the Goblin made me cringe. That line said by Doom doesn't.

I think your worry about Doom has blinded all positive points about him.

Of course i'm blind by any positive aspect this movie might have. I mean, few months ago, I was positive about it. Why ? Because it wasn't clear if there would be a love triangle, if he wouldn't wear his armor, have organic armor and be a businessman. I was here telling how all of this might not make it in the final script, being optimist about it. They couldn't be that evil.

Since then, ALL of this has been confirm. ALL. Jesus... And we are getting even worse. If these changes weren't utterly destroying the character enough, now we've learn he shoots magic lightning out of his butt, and doesn't even have a middle european accent...

Now, he's not just horrible like in Frost's script, he's even WORSE.

[Franklin Richards]

Well at least you admit you're prejudiced. I'll take that into account so that I can dismiss your posts.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[TheSaintofKillers]

Well at least you admit you're prejudiced. I'll take that into account so that I can dismiss your posts.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

Thanks for your comprehension, fine sir. :cool:

:mad:

Btw, when nearly the only positive thing said here about movie Doom is: "We aren't 100% sure he will be utterly unfaithful", it's not very much to go by...

[Saph]

Of course i'm blind by any positive aspect this movie might have. I mean, few months ago, I was positive about it. Why ? Because it wasn't clear if there would be a love triangle, if he wouldn't wear his armor, have organic armor and be a businessman. I was here telling how all of this might not make it in the final script, being optimist about it. They couldn't be that evil.

Since then, ALL of this has been confirm. ALL. Jesus... And we are getting even worse. If these changes weren't utterly destroying the character enough, now we've learn he shoots magic lightning out of his butt, and doesn't even have a middle european accent...

Now, he's not just horrible like in Frost's script, he's even WORSE.

Where has this been comfired? Show me all the links that say, in pure english, that this movie includes all the elements that ruin Doom for you.

Then i'll decide for myself whether I should be worried.

[TheSaintofKillers]

Where has this been comfired? Show me all the links that say, in pure english, that this movie includes all the elements that ruin Doom for you.

Then i'll decide for myself whether I should be worried.

You ARE kidding, right ?

This paper ALONE confirms it all.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/thesaintofkiller/doomfacts1xo.jpg

It confirms his organic armor and his magic lightning. And not to forget, his businessman status.

Now, if dozen of interviews proving us all of this as fact wasn't enough, the trailer shows us Sue and Victor holding each other's hand, that he IS in space with them, that he IS a businessman and that he HAS lightning mutant power.

Everything I have stated about Doom has been confirm. We can only hope they won't go even lower by making him a bad villain.

Btw, the accent thing was said by Julian himself at the con.

[TheSaintofKillers]

Oh, and if all of this wasn't enough (since it seems you don't research much on the matter), read this interview that confirms it EVEN MORE.

I've put in black for you the confirmations, in case you don't read it all, trying to hide what they are doing to Doom's character.

Fantastic Four

Julian McMahon visited this year’s WonderCon to talk about his upcoming role as Victor Von Doom in the Fantastic Four movie, now slated to premiere on July 8.

McMahon called the role a “childhood dream” and said he was honored to play the “greatest arch-villain of all time”.

In researching for the role, McMahon cited both the comics and the old Fantastic Four cartoon, which he used to watch on Saturday mornings as a boy growing up in Australia.

On acting behind a prosthetic mask, McMahon pointed out that the mask makes Doom a different person.

A clip was aired showing previously-unseen snippets from the movie. The clip reveals a source of Doctor Doom’s power that is different from his well-known comic book origin.
The scene shows Victor Von Doom after the incident in space which transforms both him and the FF. The doctor says that Von Doom's tissues are changing from flesh into a substance that is harder the diamond--in three weeks, his entire body will be transformed. The clip shows Von Doom murdering the doctor and making a flippant remark that he needed a second opinion.

Apparently in the movie version, Von Doom is a self-obsessed billionaire, "not unlike Rupert Murdoch" (the Fox exective cringed when McMahon said that). Also in a different take from the comic, Von Doom has dated Sue Storm in the past, and this creates romantic tension between him and Reed Richards. McMahon spoke about trying different accents throughout the film to approach an Eastern European flavor, yet in the clip shown, he spoke with an American accent.
McMahon spoke about seeing the Fantastic Four cartoons as a kid in Australia, then later reading the comics upon which they were based. It was quite amusing when a fan asked if Galactus was going to be in the second film, and McMahon had no ideawho
this was. "Yes, bring Galactus, I'll kick his ass in the next movie!"

In the movie, Doom has a “progressive illness” that slowly turns his body into living metal.
Also gone will be Doom’s Eastern Europen monarch status.http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27952

Now that you FINALLY might understand how HORRIBLY unfaithful he will be, you might understand how I feel when I see my favorite comic book character changed even MORE than Catwoman was in her own movie.

[Franklin Richards]

Doom has always had an electrical discharge. Anytime someone dares touch the personage of Doom they would regularly get shocked. His blasts were this nebulous energy. What's so bad about unifying his energy into something he already uses? This is not a major deal.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[Franklin Richards]

Doom doesn't start at the ruler of Latveria. His siezes the throne from Rudolfo or Zorba, depending on which time he's doing it. Why put the cart before the horse? Wait for it. The journey is the fun part... not the destination.



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[TheSaintofKillers]

Doom has always had an electrical discharge. Anytime someone dares touch the personage of Doom they would regularly get shocked. His blasts were this nebulous energy. What's so bad about unifying his energy into something he already uses? This is not a major deal.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

You mean, aside from the fact he will now be a FREAK ? I'm guessing if, for Batman, they would have give him "organic producing batrang powers", you would say the same thing ?

One of the better reason why Doom is such a great character (and Batman) is because he can beat these powerful ennemies with fantastic powers without ANY. He's a human, not a superfreak.

[Franklin Richards]

I'm not discussing his freakdom. I'm discussing his bolts changing from a nebulous energy to lightning. If this were still his armor producing these lightning bolts, would you have a problem with them?


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[TheSaintofKillers]

Doom doesn't start at the ruler of Latveria. His siezes the throne from Rudolfo or Zorba, depending on which time he's doing it. Why put the cart before the horse? Wait for it. The journey is the fun part... not the destination.



:doom: :doom: :doom:

Why waste a whole movie by giving us a Businessman when they could have gave us the ruler of Latveria, which is ten times more interesting ?

[TheSaintofKillers]

I'm not discussing his freakdom. I'm discussing his bolts changing from a nebulous energy to lightning. If this were still his armor producing these lightning bolts, would you have a problem with them?


:doom: :doom: :doom:

Of course not, but it isn't.

If Batman had Batrang organic powers, would you have a problem with them ?

Btw, no matter how you evade his freakdom, THAT'S one of the bigger reason why he is getting ruined. The organic lighting stuff (and armor) are making him a freak, you can't evade that. One leads to the other.

[Franklin Richards]

Then your problem is with his "freakdom". Don't add lightning bolts to your laundry list of problems with Doom.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[Head>On<Collider]

Are you really that foolish? Do you really think you're accomplishing anything by complaining?

Controversy = publicity = box office dollars - Simple as that.

YOU and people like you are the primary reason that we get unfaithful adaptation after unfaithful adaptation. .^Three consecutive plain and simple dumbass statements in a row^. What do you care who complaines about what and why? I find it very ironic how you see people like us as being foolish because no offense Slick, I personally see you as having foolishness written on your forehead, your shirt, your sleave.......AND how have you concluded that what we say causes unfaithful adaptations? All you've accomplished with this joke of a statement of yours is proof that this movie's indeed a trainwreck waiting to be witnessed by us caring individuals to feel remorse over. If anything, you're accusing Avi and co. of ruining this film that has been long awaited for decades. Thank you Slick, we already knew this.


Fox is not in the business of making faithful adaptations. Fox is not in the business of making quality movies. Fox is in the business of making money.
I already knew this also, but thanks for admitting this horrendous fact about Fox, but you forgot to include Avi and co.

How much money do you think The Passion of The Christ would have made if people weren't talking about it before it came out?
OH......MY .....GOD! Forgive him Father, for he knoweth not how he thinketh.............

Everytime a Fox bean counter reads one of your posts, he sheds a tiny tear in his champagne. To top it off, you're not only helping them by giving them publicity, but you're going to spend money to see the film?!?! So you admit that we're doing this film a strong service. Thank you, all this time I've been seeing this battle as a thankless one....too bad it negates everything else you've been saying.

You're a hypocrite plain and simple. I repeat........too bad it negates everything else you've been saying.

People who are looking forward to the film will back up their words by buying tickets. Clearly your words are meaningless. Two sentenses here. The first one is a no brainer that a kindergardener could have told us; the second is yet, another noteworthy dumbass statement from Slick Willy


Now I just have to figure out how to use that "ignore" function. .
The prime reason for me to post this and respond is not only because you've pretty much grouped us all; but to plead with you to also give me the honor to be on you ignore list also. Please include me on it.

[Franklin Richards]

Why waste a whole movie by giving us a Businessman when they could have gave us the ruler of Latveria, which is ten times more interesting ?


Because you are already jumping to the end. If you had your way there wouldn't be any growth for this character which makes him static and by most character study standards... Boring.



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[Head>On<Collider]

Of course not, but it isn't.

If Batman had Batrang organic powers, would you have a problem with them ?

Btw, no matter how you evade his freakdom, THAT'S one of the bigger reason why he is getting ruined. The organic lighting stuff (and armor) are making him a freak, you can't evade that. One leads to the other.I was just going to bring this awesome point up... Would Batman fans take it ok if Bruce Wayne became a mutant with powers for BB? No. End of story

[Franklin Richards]

You're changing the subject. I wasn't discussing his freakdom. I was discussing lightning bolts. Stop changing the subject.

As for the Batman movie... it's called Batman Begins not R'as Al Ghul Begins. This movie is called Fantastic Four not Dr. Doom.


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[TheSaintofKillers]

Then your problem is with his "freakdom". Don't add lightning bolts to your laundry list of problems with Doom.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

How does this help the character ? Jesus, look at what you are defending. ;)

Scrap. You are defending a DINO like character, by negating the fact that "organic lighting powers" aren't the real problems. I repeat, PROBLEMS with an S.

There is no denying they are raping his character. Yet, you defend the creators' decision behind such a rape ? :mad:

[TheSaintofKillers]

You're changing the subject. I wasn't discussing his freakdom. I was discussing lightning bolts. Stop changing the subject.

As for the Batman movie... it's called Batman Begins not R'as Al Ghul Begins. This movie is called Fantastic Four not Dr. Doom.


:thing: :thing: :thing:

Oh, so they would have had the right to completely ruin R'as Al Ghul's character since he AIN'T the main hero ?

Doom is the ONLY villain in the movie, and he is the GREATEST comic book villain. 1 + 1 = 2. Put the greatest villain in comics in a movie, make him faithful AND great, and you will have one heck of an incredible villain on screen.

I only want to know one thing. Why are you defending such a rape ? Why ?

[Franklin Richards]

Have I defended the rape? We were discussing the lightning bolts. Why do you keep changing the subject?


Would it make you feel better to know that I wish they would have stayed true to Doom not having powers? Cause that's what I would have wanted.

I brought up the fact that you and others were complaining that Doom had lightning bolt blasts instead of the nebulous energy he usually shoots. I was discussing how this change from they mysterious stuff to the lightning is NOT that big of stretch. It might actually be a better choice visually and logically for a film. You keep beating a dead horse that I didn't bring up and have already accepted. Why don't you accept it and move on? Because they aren't going to change it, my man. And unless you decide to boycott this movie you're just killing yourself over a fact that has been discussed to death.

Let me reitterate <sp?>. I think the change from mysterious energy to lightning bolts is a good move. What do you think?


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[Saph]

You ARE kidding, right ?

This paper ALONE confirms it all.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/thesaintofkiller/doomfacts1xo.jpg

It confirms his organic armor and his magic lightning. And not to forget, his businessman status.

Now, if dozen of interviews proving us all of this as fact wasn't enough, the trailer shows us Sue and Victor holding each other's hand, that he IS in space with them, that he IS a businessman and that he HAS lightning mutant power.

Everything I have stated about Doom has been confirm. We can only hope they won't go even lower by making him a bad villain.

Btw, the accent thing was said by Julian himself at the con.

I don't give a damn about the armour and lightning, just to get that clear. I'm more concerned about his character.

I heard someone say the businessman angle is because his throne was taken from him as a child, he escaped to America where he used his own intelligence to become the founder of his own official business. A Doom like quality, you HAVE to agree.

Albafan says he views Sue as a trophy. And the trailer shows he must not love her that much, as he shoots a huge electrical blast RIGHT AT HER.

The businessman angle, the organic armour and electrical powers mean nothing to me. Why? Because I care about his character.

The situations don't have to be the same to get his character right, Doom would've rose to power as a businessman from literally NOTHING by his own sense of determination in the comics as well, if that was the situation Stan Lee and Kirby wrote him in.

Doom think hes the best person in the world. He doesn't have to prove this to anyone in his opinion. But he thinks people are too stupid to understand this, so shows the most beautiful woman in the building around as a trophy to prove he can accomplish anything.

And would you like a bad accent, or no accent at all?

[Franklin Richards]

Can someone tell me exactly what a Latverian accent sounds like?



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[Franklin Richards]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/ff27v3.jpg


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Saph]

Can someone tell me exactly what a Latverian accent sounds like?



:thing: :doom: :thing:

Well, Latveria is in europe, right next to Transylvannia, I guess it would be similar to a transylvannian one.

[Franklin Richards]

Are you sure?

<btw.. I'm being facetious. I know the answer to this>


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[TheSaintofKillers]

I don't give a damn about the armour and lightning, just to get that clear. I'm more concerned about his character.

I heard someone say the businessman angle is because his throne was taken from him as a child, he escaped to America where he used his own intelligence to become the founder of his own official business. A Doom like quality, you HAVE to agree.

Albafan says he views Sue as a trophy. And the trailer shows he must not love her that much, as he shoots a huge electrical blast RIGHT AT HER.

The businessman angle, the organic armour and electrical powers mean nothing to me. Why? Because I care about his character.

The situations don't have to be the same to get his character right, Doom would've rose to power as a businessman from literally NOTHING by his own sense of determination in the comics as well, if that was the situation Stan Lee and Kirby wrote him in.

Doom think hes the best person in the world. He doesn't have to prove this to anyone in his opinion. But he thinks people are too stupid to understand this, so shows the most beautiful woman in the building around as a trophy to prove he can accomplish anything.

And would you like a bad accent, or no accent at all?

Why not just get a better actor with a good accent ? :confused:

As for the rest, well, what can I say, it's your opinion. At least, one of us is happy with the rape they are doing.

You are doing the exact same thing I used to do 9 months ago in here. Trying to defend EVERY single changes they are doing, by providing how it COULD work.

But then, the changes began to be too big, and I simply understood how much they didn't care about Doom's character from the comics.

Who knows, maybe you'll open your eyes in theatre when you'll see there's no reasons for changing nearly his whole character, giving us an all new villain onscreen with Doom's name on it.

[TheSaintofKillers]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/ff27v3.jpg


:thing: :doom: :thing:

If that wasn't Reed in there, you might have a point. ;)

[Franklin Richards]

SHHHHH


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[Willie Lumpkin]

The prime reason for me to post this and respond is not only because you've pretty much grouped us all; but to plead with you to also give me the honor to be on you ignore list also. Please include me on it.

No prob.

[TheSaintofKillers]

Have I defended the rape? We were discussing the lightning bolts. Why do you keep changing the subject?


Would it make you feel better to know that I wish they would have stayed true to Doom not having powers? Cause that's what I would have wanted.

I brought up the fact that you and others were complaining that Doom had lightning bolt blasts instead of the nebulous energy he usually shoots. I was discussing how this change from they mysterious stuff to the lightning is NOT that big of stretch. It might actually be a better choice visually and logically for a film. You keep beating a dead horse that I didn't bring up and have already accepted. Why don't you accept it and move on? Because they aren't going to change it, my man. And unless you decide to boycott this movie you're just killing yourself over a fact that has been discussed to death.

Let me reitterate <sp?>. I think the change from mysterious energy to lightning bolts is a good move. What do you think?


:doom: :doom: :doom:

I think it's such a tiny little detail that it doesn't matter. Yes, him shooting lighting bolt, sure, I have nothing against it, IF it ain't organic, which it is.

But no, I prefer his HUGE GIANT EARTH SHAKING BLASTS to his new tiny lightning bolts. ;)

[Saph]

Why not just get a better actor with a good accent ? :confused:

As for the rest, well, what can I say, it's your opinion. At least, one of us is happy with the rape they are doing.

You are doing the exact same thing I used to do 9 months ago in here. Trying to defend EVERY single changes they are doing, by providing how it COULD work.

But then, the changes began to be too big, and I simply understood how much they didn't care about Doom's character from the comics.

Who knows, maybe you'll open your eyes in theatre when you'll see there's no reasons for changing nearly his whole character, giving us an all new villain onscreen with Doom's name on it.

Am I happy with this 'rape'? No! It's just that I can see the positive parts. I'm trying to make this movie better for myself, and for others too.

I don't bash movies until after I see them. If doom is as bad as you say he is, then i'll join your 'hate parade', but for now i'm going to hope.

Nobody really listens to negativity here anyway.

[TheSaintofKillers]

Am I happy with this 'rape'? No! It's just that I can see the positive parts. I'm trying to make this movie better for myself, and for others too.

I don't bash movies until after I see them. If doom is as bad as you say he is, then i'll join your 'hate parade', but for now i'm going to hope.

Nobody really listens to negativity here anyway.

Hey, i'm usually a positive guy. I can accept changes. But THAT much changes ? I couldn't get past Catwoman's changes. Same thing with Doom. Too much is too much.

I'm still hoping we'll get a good "FF" movie.

[TheSaintofKillers]

Just to add one thing before I go to work.

I know for a FACT that us fans (or a great comic book writer who knows about Doom) could take Movie Doom and, by the end of the movie, make him into the SAME character from the comics. Sure. It would be hard, but it could be done.

But just the fact that these writers have MADE those countless changes proves they do not GET who Doom is, and how unlikely it is they will magically understand his character and, by the end of the movie, erase those "changes".

Now, how likely is that ?

THAT'S why i'm negative about his character to the max. Not because it's impossible for them to go against everything they have done in most of the movie, but rather because they probably won't BECAUSE they are the ones who have made those changes.

[Lightning Strykez!]

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WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON IN HERE?

What is with all the *****ING and insults swirling around this thread?? God is it ugly in here, and some of you are acting like straight jerks to one another--and all over this one single character. This is ridiculous. Do you recognize that some of you are actually WHINING about this stuff now???

The bottom line is NONE of us know the end results regarding Doom. Some of you are perping like you do, but sadly you are mistaken. And the fact that Doom's profile remains locked on the official site for a reason. THINK ABOUT IT DAMN.

Saintofkille: They are reshooting the entire third act in 2 weeks, for the sake of Doom and setting him up appropriately for the sequel. The packaging of that Doom Action figure was done with the original 3rd act in mind. Things have changed, and from what we've learned, he's gonna get his box-like armor, his Latverian connection and everything else. You are *****ing about "rape" as if you've seen this film, when in reality all your doing is *****ing off of 2 seconds of showing him in a trailer, a fluxed movie draft--not even the shooting script, and the back packaging of a damn toy. Dear god man, get a grip! :cool:

Can I just remind you all that Doom is NOT the sole critical element of this film? Some of you appear to think he is, but if you do, you're gravely mistaken. :thing: There are four OTHER major characters that are being fleshed out, and it's THEIR comic book that this movie is being fashioned after. The film is called Fantastic Four, not Victor Von Doom. With the rich heritage this character has, Doom could sustain a trilogy of his OWN, so you can't expect every vestige of his character and history to be squeezed into a 120-something minute ORIGIN film with FOUR OTHER characters.

And some of you really need a reality check along these lines.

Damn.

[Head>On<Collider]

What...the...HELL is going on in here?





What is with all the *****ING and insults swirling around in here?? God is it ugly in here, and some of you are acting like straight jerks to one another--and all over this one single character. This is ridiculous.

The bottom line is NONE of us know the end results regarding Doom. Some of you are perping like you do, but sadly you are mistaken. And the fact that Doom's profile remains locked on the official site for a reason. THINK ABOUT IT DAMN..The proof we've seen SPEAKS LOUDER THAN YOU!!!



Can I just remind you all that Doom is NOT the sole critical element of this film? Some of you appear to think he is, but if you do, you're gravely mistaken. :thing: There are four OTHER major characters that are being fleshed out, and it's THEIR comic book that this movie is being fashioned after. The film is called Fantastic Four, not Victor Von Doom. With the rich heritage this character has, Doom could sustain a trilogy of his OWN, so you can't expect every vestige of his character and history to be squeezed into a 120-something minute ORIGIN film with FOUR OTHER characters.

And some of you really need a reality check along these lines.

Damn
No, YOU need a reality check....DAMN. It's not THEIRcomic book they're fashioning anything over. If you think for one second that either Lee or Kirby would have it done this way, YOU'RE SADLY mistaken. What we're witnessing here is a bunch of big wig execs. stepping in and telling everyone how to represent these characters and Avi is giving it all to them on a silver platter. They could give a rat's azz about what a good movie is as long as they fill the seats up and unlike you, some of us "whiners" care about this travesty. PERIOD!

[Lightning Strykez!]

The proof we've seen SPEAKS LOUDER THAN YOU!!!


No, YOU need a reality check....DAMN. It's not THEIRcomic book they're fashioning anything over. If you think for one second that either Lee or Kirby would have it done this way, YOU'RE SADLY mistaken. What we're witnessing here is a bunch of big wig execs. stepping in and telling everyone how to represent these characters and Avi is giving it all to them on a silver platter. They could give a rat's azz about what a good movie is as long as they fill the seats up and unlike you, some of us "whiners" care about this travesty. PERIOD!


>sigh<

First of all: Calm your ass down.

Second of all: You just blasted Willie Lumpkin who's been following this comic longer than your ass has been breathing. And I'm not far behind him. So don't talk to me about "not caring" about this travesty. You are not in a position to challenge anyone else's devotion to the Fantastic Four.

Perhaps it's easier for you to assume that Fox doesn't care about making a good movie because it feeds whatever little isms you're going through with Doom. But you're wrong. They NEED to make this film a success, esp. if they want sequels. How does that happen? If folks support that first film. So if you think they don't care about making a good film you are smoking some good quality crack.

The crux of the matter is this: What is a "Good" movie? They've got the Fantastic Four right. Yes, they've tweaked some details to appeal a broader fanbase. That calls for sacrifice, but in the end it will make the FF a household name. The problem here is that it's not a "Good movie" (which you haven't seen by the way) by your standards. So let's put the responsibility where it belongs. 1 of 10 people will care as deeply as we do for Fantastic Four in that theatre on July 8th. But if we want to continue seeing FF up on that silver screen for the next 6-8 years, we've got to start somewhere.

Period.

[Lightning Strykez!]

No, YOU need a reality check....DAMN. It's not THEIRcomic book they're fashioning anything over. If you think for one second that either Lee or Kirby would have it done this way, YOU'RE SADLY mistaken.

Oh and by the way:

You are misintrepreting my post--as you are doing a great many things right now.

I was not saying it was 20th Century Fox's comic book--I am refering to the Fantastic Four themselves. This is THEIR comic book...THEIR franchise. Doom is but one of THEIR many enemies. This film is about them and THEIR struggles...


...not Doom's....


...and certainly not yours.

[Saph]

Saintofkille: They are reshooting the entire third act in 2 weeks, for the sake of Doom and setting him up appropriately for the sequel. The packaging of that Doom Action figure was done with the original 3rd act in mind. Things have changed, and from what we've learned, he's gonna get his box-like armor, his Latverian connection and everything else. You are *****ing about "rape" as if you've seen this film, when in reality all your doing is *****ing off of 2 seconds of showing him in a trailer, a fluxed movie draft--not even the shooting script, and the back packaging of a damn toy. Dear god man, get a grip! :cool:

Thank you! Now I know I can hope Doom will be portrayed right, and now I know for certain doom is being looked after. All my worries have gone now.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Thank you! Now I know I can hope Doom will be portrayed right, and now I know for certain doom is being looked after. All my worries have gone now.


I am reading and hearing the same things that everyone else is my friend. So don't assume that everything I say is "gospel". We are only as good as our "sources" at SHH and from Fox itself.


You should wait until the movie is released and judge for yourself if Doom has been "portrayed right."

[Willie Lumpkin]

Second of all: You just blasted Willie Lumpkin who's been following this comic longer than your ass has been breathing. And I'm not far behind him. So don't talk to me about "not caring" about this travesty. You are not in a position to challenge anyone else's devotion to the Fantastic Four.



Thanks for thinking of me Lightnin', but don't worry about me. See there's this thing called an "Ignore List" and now all I see is a tag that says Orange9mm posted something, but I don't have his actual post taking up space on my screen.

[Saph]

I am reading and hearing the same things that everyone else is my friend. So don't assume that everything I say is "gospel". We are only as good as our "sources" at SHH and from Fox itself.


You should wait until the movie is released and judge for yourself if Doom has been "portrayed right."

Yes, but you have given me hope, Saintofkille having read the script, I actually began to believe him, you saying it was a draft got my hopes back on track.

[Head>On<Collider]

>sigh<

First of all: Calm your ass down. . What...the...HELL is going on in here?
Second of all: You just blasted Willie Lumpkin who's been following this comic longer than your ass has been breathing. And I'm not far behind him. So don't talk to me about "not caring" about this travesty. You are not in a position to challenge anyone else's devotion to the Fantastic Four. Yeah<"second of all,..." How do you know if I don't have family and friends who've been following the F4 longer than either of you?If I'm not in a position to challenge anyone else's devotion to the Fantastic Four, then neither are you obviously. I'm glad you've just admitted that this is indeed a travesty taking place, though.

Perhaps it's easier for you to assume that Fox doesn't care about making a good movie because it feeds whatever little isms you're going through with Doom. But you're wrong. They NEED to make this film a success, esp. if they want sequels. How does that happen? If folks support that first film. So if you think they don't care about making a good film you are smoking some good quality crack.
No, you're wrong. Two movies for you off the top of my head, Batman Forever and Batman and Robin...both based on corporate decisions telling the director and crew what a good movie is. I'm sure you wish I was on crack, so it'd be even easier to dismiss what I'm saying. Sorry, sober as a legal weightlifter!

The crux of the matter is this: What is a "Good" movie? They've got the Fantastic Four right. Yes, they've tweaked some details to appeal a broader fanbase. That calls for sacrifice, but in the end it will make the FF a household name. The problem here is that it's not a "Good movie" (which you haven't seen by the way) by your standards. So let's put the responsibility where it belongs. 1 of 10 people will care as deeply as we do for Fantastic Four in that theatre on July 8th. But if we want to continue seeing FF up on that silver screen for the next 6-8 years, we've got to start somewhere.
No, the crux of the matter is who are the a$$holes deciding what a good quality movie is for all of us consumers.PERIOD!!!!!!!!PERIOD!!!!!!!!PERIOD!!!!!! !!

[Head>On<Collider]

Oh and by the way:

You are misintrepreting my post--as you are doing a great many things right now. .I just checked, nope. Didn't misrepresent it at all. I'd apologize if I did.


I was not saying it was 20th Century Fox's comic book--I am refering to the Fantastic Four themselves. This is THEIR comic book...THEIR franchise. Doom is but one of THEIR many enemies. This film is about them and THEIR struggles...


...not Doom's....

Doom is their main enemy and you basically disagree, so what?


...and certainly not yours ....and it's not yours either, I wasn't the one yelling in the first place.

[Saph]

What...the...HELL is going on in here?
Now you're just yelling.
Yeah<"second of all,..." How do you know if I don't have family and friends who've been following the F4 longer than either of you?If I'm not in a position to challenge anyone else's devotion to the Fantastic Four, then neither are you obviously. I'm glad you've just admitted that this is indeed a travesty taking place, though.
You know you're just like a kid? twisting words around to win arguments? Takes one to know one.
No, you're wrong. Two movies for you off the top of my head, Batman Forever and Batman and Robin...both based on corporate decisions telling the director and crew what a good movie is. I'm sure you wish I was on crack, so it'd be even easier to dismiss what I'm saying. Sorry, sober as a legal weightlifter!
People claimed Batman Returns was too violent, they made Batman Forever less violent. Seeing the success of batman Forever, they did Batman and Robin. How is that not giving them what they want?

No, the crux of the matter is who are the a$$holes deciding what a good quality movie is for all of us consumers.PERIOD!!!!!!!!PERIOD!!!!!!!!PERIOD!!!!!! !!
They decide what's good for us by checking out what the public likes... they sure aren't thinking about the public, aren't they?:rolleyes:

[Lightning Strykez!]

How do you know if I don't have family and friends who've been following the F4 longer than either of you?


There is a difference O9: Your "family" and "friends" are not here bashing Willie, one of our most respected diehard FF fans here--you are.

And that's why I'm calling you out.

[Head>On<Collider]

Now you're just yelling.

You know you're just like a kid? twisting words around to win arguments? Takes one to know one.Those big words were a direct quote from Lightnin. You've just proven that you never even read the whole conversation, so your point is based on half the truth, FYI.

People claimed Batman Returns was too violent, they made Batman Forever less violent. Seeing the success of batman Forever, they did Batman and Robin. How is that not giving them what they want?
The general consensus including me say that Spiderman was 50X better than either of those and you yourself have made a point to tell everyone how bad Spiderman was. Please fill me in on what I'm not getting here!?

They decide what's good for us by checking out what the public likes... they sure aren't thinking about the public, aren't they?:rolleyes:
They're thinking about the public as numbers and the money they bring in. Yes it's business, and there ain't no BBB for bad movies, but there sure are messaging boards, aren't there?

[Head>On<Collider]

There is a difference O9: Your "family" and "friends" are not here bashing Willie, one of our most respected diehard FF fans here--you are.

And that's why I'm calling you out.Well I'm calling you out. You're being a good friend and Willy is your friend. I've seen Willy bash my friend and so not only am I being a good friend also, I'm being fair by evening out the scales. There should be an even amopunt of complaints about this film as there are compliments. Some people just want their POV to tip the scale in their favor and just because you don't see it this way doesn't mean it's not happening. You respect Willy, I respect Herr. I also stand up for people I choose to stand up for, just like I've stood up for you on occasion. I didn't do it because you wanted it, I did it because I believed in doing so.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Well I'm calling you out. You're being a good friend and Willy is your friend. I've seen Willy bash my friend and so not only am I being a good friend also, I'm being fair by evening out the scales. There should be an even amopunt of complaints about this film as there are compliments. Some people just want their POV to tip the scale in their favor and just because you don't see it this way doesn't mean it's not happening. You respect Willy, I respect Herr. I also stand up for people I choose to stand up for, just like I've stood up for you on occasion. I didn't do it because you wanted it, I did it because I believed in doing so.

Again, you are missing my point O9.

Believe me when I say it has nothing to do with friendship or loyalty--it has to do with respect. There is a way to disagree without being outright rude/nasty and it really saddens me to see you cross that line more and more often over fictional characters. Could it be that we are trying to impress other posters who really don't give a damn about us?

Word to the wise O9: Patterning yourself after the behavior of others to "fit in" or "find your niche in the clique" doesn't do you any favors here or in the real world. Just because others choose to act like asses at SHH (and no I'm not referring to Herr--so please don't twist this statement out of context) doesn't give you the "free-for-all" to do the same.

Why don't you go back and reread your interchange with Willlie and see what I'm talking about?

[Head>On<Collider]

It has nothing to do with friendship or loyalty--it has to do with respect. There is a way to disagree without being outright rude/nasty and it really saddens me to see you cross that line more and more often over fictional characters. Could it be that we are trying to impress other posters who really don't give a damn about us?

Word to the wise O9: Patterning yourself after the behavior of others to "fit in" or "find your niche in the clique" doesn't do you any favors here or in the real world. Just because others choose to act like asses at SHH (and no I'm not referring to Herr--so please don't twist this statement out of context) doesn't give you the "free-for-all" to do the same.

Why don't you go back and reread your interchange with Willlie and see what I'm talking about?Well I think You , Willy and everyone else here are disrespectfull towards others at times. You hypocritically don't mind this when it's not you they're being disrespectfull towards. Disrespect is disrespect, whether it's plain and out in the open or forked tongued and under the rug. You may be wise only to an extent but not that wise. You just may not have any clue about who I am or where I've been in life and vise-versa. I could give a damn how unthankful you are to me for that time I volunteered to go after that guy attempting to make you out to be an attention whore saying, "LOOK AT ME I'M WALKING OUT OF SHH EVERYONE!" I went after him because I believed he was wrong and I had some things to say about it; I really didn't do it for you at all now that I think about it, I just believed in what I said. For example: suggesting that I'm "PATTERNING" myself after other's behaviors insults my intelligence as well as my personalty. I can choose to defend myself or shrug it off and let it slide. Also saying ["Just because others choose to act like asses at SHH doesn't give you the "free-for-all" to do the same."] also disrespects my motives why I say what I say.
I thought long and hard before replying to WL's post and I stand behind what I said, even if Herr calls me an a$$ for saying what I did. In fact, when I did what you told me to do and reread the interchange, I realize that I even forgot that WL lumped us "complainers" in one group, so I responded accordingly.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Well I think You , Willy and everyone else here are disrespectfull towards others at times. You hypocritically don't mind this when it's not you they're being disrespectfull towards. Disrespect is disrespect, whether it's plain and out in the open or forked tongued and under the rug. You may be wise only to an extent but not that wise. You just may not have any clue about who I am or where I've been in life and vise-versa. I could give a damn how unthankful you are to me for that time I volunteered to go after that guy attempting to make you out to be an attention whore saying, "LOOK AT ME I'M WALKING OUT OF SHH EVERYONE!" I went after him because I believed he was wrong and I had some things to say about it; I really didn't do it for you at all now that I think about it, I just believed in what I said. For example: suggesting that I'm "PATTERNING" myself after other's behaviors insults my intelligence as well as my personalty. I can choose to defend myself or shrug it off and let it slide. Also saying ["Just because others choose to act like asses at SHH doesn't give you the "free-for-all" to do the same."] also disrespects my motives why I say what I say.
I thought long and hard before replying to WL's post and I stand behind what I said, even if Herr calls me an a$$ for saying what I did. In fact, when I did what you told me to do and reread the interchange, I realize that I even forgot that WL lumped us "complainers" in one group, so I responded accordingly.

Hold up.

First of all: Of all the males in this forum O9 I've been trashed the MOST. You don't think I'm aware of all the nasty little PMs going back and forth about "Lightnin this" and "Lightnin that"?? I've been termed a cheerleader, a sheep, a censor, a studio plant, a race baiter, and so forth..and that's to my face. So no one knows better about being disrespected or catching flack than I do.

But my question is: As far as that situation 2 weeks ago--what does this have to do with this situation???? While I appreciated your standing up for me, the bottom line is Theofill or whatever his name is crucified himself due to his presumptuousness. And that's my point: Being an ass just for the sake of being one wins you no friends around here.

When has Willie ever been "disrespectful"? It's hardly even his on-line nature. He's got to be the most docile fun-loving kid-at-heart we've got on board here. True, like everyone else he has an opinion--but the man's FF knowledge is so extensive he has forgotten more about FF what most of us remember. So to just blatantly rip him apart like you did just blows my mind because he knows a helluva lot more about Doom than _______________ (you fill in the blank)

My statement to you regarding impressing others is a blanket statement-- and should be taken as a fact of life. That's basic knowledge dating all the way back to the monkeybar fights on the playground. But I'll put it to you this way O9: When you first debuted here on SHH you were not acting like this towards the rest of us Hypesters.


And that's all I'm going to say on the matter.

[AmerikazMostWanted]

dont understand how you guys can have a 65 page argument about a movie thats not out yet haha

[Lightning Strykez!]

dont understand how you guys can have a 65 page argument about a movie thats not out yet haha


It's one of those things that make you go "hmmm" AMW. :o

[Head>On<Collider]

Hold up.

First of all: Of all the males in this forum O9 I've been trashed the MOST. You don't think I'm aware of all the nasty little PMs going back and forth about "Lightnin this" and "Lightnin that"?? I've been termed a cheerleader, a sheep, a censor, a studio plant, a race baiter, and so forth..and that's to my face. So no one knows better about being disrespected or catching flack than I do. .That's because you're enough of a powerhouse to make people angry. You used to have a sig that said " The only way you win is if I let you win." Don't be surprised because you open yourself up to it with such outrageous statements; are such statements as out in the open as mine? Maybe not, but if I don't give you crap over some of your arrogant ways, and yet you call the kettle black with me. At least I admit to being arrogant, LIGHTNINSTRIKES, NUBIAN GOD.....
BTW, you forgot to mention being called " SHH thought police";)


But my question is: As far as that situation 2 weeks ago--what does this have to do with this situation???? While I appreciated your standing up for me, the bottom line is Theofill or whatever his name is crucified himself due to his presumptuousness. And that's my point: Being an ass just for the sake of being one wins you no friends around here.
Theophil didn't know anyone here and walked in unestablished and unknowing about the accusations he made of you. You know as well as I do that I took my stance on the matter, yet I tell you this: The same thing about me tHAT CONVICTED ME INTO TAKING THAT STANCE THAT DAY IS THE SAME THING IN ME THAT MADE ME SAY WHAT i DID TO WL.


When has Willie ever been "disrespectful"? It's hardly even his on-line nature. He's got to be the most docile fun-loving kid-at-heart we've got on board here. True, like everyone else he has an opinion--but the man's FF knowledge is so extensive he has forgotten more about FF what most of us remember. So to just blatantly rip him apart like you did just blows my mind because he knows a helluva lot more about Doom than _______________ (you fill in the blank)
Just because his docile side is something YOU may have experienced from him, doesn't mean that he doesn't have any faulty side to him(like everyone else has) that he's shared with others here, namely _______________(you fill the blank.)

My statement to you regarding impressing others is a blanket statement-- and should be taken as a fact of life. That's basic knowledge dating all the way back to the monkeybar fights on the playground. But I'll put it to you this way O9: When you first debuted here on SHH you were not acting like this towards the rest of us Hypesters. It being a blanket statement doesn't put you outside of one who is applying it to me, considering you're replying to me in the first place. Yes, it may be a blanket statement, but you should at least admit to making a statement to me with it, which is what you are doing by bringing it up in a reply to ME in the first place.

I havent acted like this to you? You gorgot! cool! See, I never acted like this to you, so why all the hatin' toward me Lightnin? (that was a joke):D


And that's all I'm going to say on the matter Good. I grow weary of you letting me win......;)

[Head>On<Collider]

dont understand how you guys can have a 65 page argument about a movie thats not out yet hahaYeah, some people aren't worth having a 55 page arguement over, so what does that say about Doom? :cool:

[Lightning Strykez!]

Good. I grow weary of you letting me win......;)


:rolleyes:



The only way you'll win...is if I let you.




;)

[Compi716]

You Doomites might want to see this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/knightshade/toyfair/moviedoom.jpg

[Cypher]

Very Cool :up:

[Lightning Strykez!]

Interesting human hands the Doom doll has.

[Franklin Richards]

Can't tell if they are human or not. There might be a metallic glint to them. Overall... it DOES need a cape. :D



:doom: :doom: :doom:

[Head>On<Collider]

You Doomites might want to see this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/knightshade/toyfair/moviedoom.jpgHis hands look half metal and half flesh. His outfit looks like they're going for a trench coat look; his neck looks borg-like. WTF is up with his feet/ shoes? Do I sense an Ultimate F4 resemblance with those feet? Damn you Bendis!

[Franklin Richards]

I seem to recall hearing some time back that he would have situations where he'd be wearing the cape and situations where he wouldn't be wearing the cape. Seems logical, even though I'd rather see all cape / all the time.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[Lightning Strykez!]

His hands look half metal and half flesh. His outfit looks like they're going for a trench coat look; his neck looks borg-like. WTF is up with his feet/ shoes? Do I sense an Ultimate F4 resemblance with those feet? Damn you Bendis!

Yeah I agree. The shoes look TEH STUPID!!! :o I mean....why?????? :down

[Lightning Strykez!]

I seem to recall hearing some time back that he would have situations where he'd be wearing the cape and situations where he wouldn't be wearing the cape. Seems logical, even though I'd rather see all cape / all the time.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

But if you look at the other toy illustrations he has a cape. :confused:

Bah! I don't know what to believe anymore! :o

[Head>On<Collider]

Yeah I agree. The shoes look TEH STUPID!!! :o I mean....why?????? :downWhy???????? I'll tell you why........

http://www.members.aol.com/peachy9783/Udoom.jpg
UFF. :(

[AmerikazMostWanted]

damn they need to give doom some new kicks , those some buster ass shoes tim story probly found them at payless and said " oh these will be fine"

[Obi-Ron]

This just in...

http://home.earthlink.net/~ronsuploads/ffcorman/doomad.gif

[Head>On<Collider]

This just in...

http://home.earthlink.net/~ronsuploads/ffcorman/doomad.gifThat picture of his face does look awesome at least!

[AmerikazMostWanted]

well its to late now obi won we already seen tha pic wonder what they will show

[Lightning Strykez!]

Why???????? I'll tell you why........

http://www.members.aol.com/peachy9783/Udoom.jpg
UFF. :(


Sorry but I've got no sympathy for you there because I think Ultimate Doom kicks MAJOR, MAJOR azz. He's hard and scary as hell!

But the hooves would not work here. LOL :down

[Obi-Ron]

I figured you guys would want to know about the "first in-depth look at Dr. Doom with exclusive photos."

[Franklin Richards]

Thank goodness they kept the classic Doom mouth. :up:


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[Lightning Strykez!]

I figured you guys would want to know about the "first in-depth look at Dr. Doom with exclusive photos."


Great find Obi! Thanks for sharing it with us! ;)

[Hunter Rider]

This just in...

http://home.earthlink.net/~ronsuploads/ffcorman/doomad.gif

best pic yet:up: :up:

[AmerikazMostWanted]

is that pic real ro a drawing?

[Willie Lumpkin]

This just in...

http://home.earthlink.net/~ronsuploads/ffcorman/doomad.gif

Thanks! That looks great! Does anyone know when that Wizard's due? It says 2 weeks. Two weeks from today?

[Compi716]

Whether it's art or real, it is DOOM.

[Lightning Strykez!]

It's real--not art. Look at his eyes...

And I'm starting to assume that 100% of his body is NOT going to be organic metal. Because he's obviously wearing a mask here.

[Obi-Ron]

Here's a slightly pulled back version of the same pic, used elsewhere in the issue :
http://home.earthlink.net/~ronsuploads/ffcorman/doomad2.gif

It is from Wizard number 162, on stands today. The Wizard movie issue is advertised as being on sale March 9. The current issue also has a brief interview with Jessica Alba.

[AmerikazMostWanted]

why is it hood black oh my god i cant belive this his hood is black the movie will be terrible now just casue they changed the color of his hood :(

[JulianM.Fan]

Take a chill pill...not everything can be perfect. Being picky over a hood he could have black and green. Those eyes are just wonderful and insane at the same time.

[AmerikazMostWanted]

i was just kiddin dude

[parkerpete]

O.K. I haven't gotten mixed up in the FF debate. I've held my tongue for a long time now. And I've been disappointed with some of the changes to Doom. And worried about the film in general. But then again, when I saw the first images of the X-Men and their foes on the cover of 'Entertainment Weekly', my heart sank. They looked cheap and a wee bit goofy. And I ended up being more than pleasantly surprised by the finished film.

This image of Victor has just given me a new lease on hope for the FF. Not only is it Comic-book perfect, it's actually SCARY. He looks a hell of a lot more menacing than Raimi's GG EVER did. And even if Doom disappoints, remember, GG didn't sink Spidey 1, because they got so many other elements right. And it only paved the way for RADICAL improvements in Spidey 2.

So for now, I'm encouraged by one scary-ass picture of Doctor Doom. He's already showing signs of being better than the Goblin, and he's not even out of the gate. Let's keep hope alive.

[JulianM.Fan]

Oh sorry i read the post over again and i saw it was kind of sarcastic

[Iron Maiden]

Sorry but I've got no sympathy for you there because I think Ultimate Doom kicks MAJOR, MAJOR azz. He's hard and scary as hell!

But the hooves would not work here. LOL :down

I have to disagree... Ultimate Doom is still in his gestation period and really has a long way to go before porcupine quills and lethal halitosis trumps the original. He was only able to gather about him a bunch of retro hippie types and had the crap beaten out of him on a regular basis by his father once he reached the age of 12. I think since he was a huge disappointment to a lot of the fans that there will be a major overhaul when he next appears. It was doubly disappointing for me because I expected a lot more from Warren Ellis, who wrote such an excellent Doom 2099. That guy was so bad ass he left the White House a bloody shambles.

And that photo of Doom would make Jack Kirby proud!!


http://www.members.aol.com/madamehydra/FF57.jpg

[Sardaukar]

I too was very disappointed with UFF Doom.

He talked like he could be Doom, but everything else was just wrong.

He was defeated way too easily.

[GoblinScrier]

That pic is amazing and the face is just perfect !! It looks identical to the comic !! Also, are we sure that is a black hood and not just a dark green ?

[wobbly]

It's real--not art. Look at his eyes...

And I'm starting to assume that 100% of his body is NOT going to be organic metal. Because he's obviously wearing a mask here.

Hard to say what they have in mind atm. From all interviews to date JM states he does develop the organic metal skin, so from the garage clip we know his hands are a likely bet to get taken over first. How much of him that goes on to cover who knows? But certainly his face won't be fully affected and is covered by the real metal mask at least until the finale.

I'm kinda hoping that they are setting it up that he gets cured of the organic metal business in that finale but his human face gets mangled in the process. So at least by the end of the movie they have Doom more or less as the comic fans know him (physically at least).

[TheSaintofKillers]

Here's a slightly pulled back version of the same pic, used elsewhere in the issue :
http://home.earthlink.net/~ronsuploads/ffcorman/doomad2.gif

It is from Wizard number 162, on stands today. The Wizard movie issue is advertised as being on sale March 9. The current issue also has a brief interview with Jessica Alba.

Now THAT is awesome. :cool:

Let's hope they get more than his mask right, though.

But at least, it's a beginning, I guess...

[AmerikazMostWanted]

How do we know this isnt a toy?

[HerosOnFilm]

It's been stated and elaborated on many, many times on these boards that an adequate amount of Dr. Doom's origin could easily be given in less than ten minutes. "Batman Begins" isn't even close to a valid comparison. Especially since the truth is, Bruce Wayne doesn't even need as much origin screentime as he'll get in "Batman Begins." The focus should be quality, not quantity, and it's really not that hard to sum up a character's origins, spread it out over the course of the film, and get the point across in a cinematically impressive way when we've got thousands of sources from which to quickly retrieve the information. All it would take is one person who knows Doom's character backwards and forwards and one person who knows how to edit a good movie. This would take less than a week to put together if the involved parties were serious about it, and it could easily result in a brief and properly dispersed amount of time set aside for Doom's origin as well as various bits of dialogue that reveal further information. This isn't rocket science. All that is required is information, an adequate sense of time management and film-making, and freedom from preposterously limited imaginary laws about what or what isn't possible in a movie. The idea that it's impossible to condense this origin is the result of propaganda or some other form of brainwashing designed to keep people complacent and easily manipulated, because it certainly has no grounding in reality. I couldn't do it, because I don't have film experience, but I've known people that could pull this off in their sleep if they had the right background information and exposure to the style in which the character has portrayed. :wolverine

Okay. Let's say the brains behind the movie INCLUDED ten minutes of an accurate origin. You're still going to be angry he's a CEO of "Von Doom Industries" right? Should Doom just be a diplomat from Latveria in the movie? Should they show him flying out of Latveria International airport en route to America? What is his motivation? The reasoning for his interaction with the Fantastic Four? Sure, he was Reed's ol' college buddy. What does he do after that? I'm just playing devil's advocate. It's a two hour movie, some things you can condense, some things you can't. Personally, I'm more disappointed with the organic armor/super-strength thing. I think what we need to realize, Herr Logan, is that this movie will be both lighthearted and serious, and as you know, the comic-book movie makers want these films to appeal to a broad audience, much to the bane of fans, so it is upsetting when our beloved characters aren't exactly pefect as we know them. Trust me, I know where you're coming from. If it was one character I didn't want screwed up, it's Doom. That being said, it can still be okay...the movie might still work with Julian's Doom. We'll have to see is all.

[Lightning Strykez!]

O.K. I haven't gotten mixed up in the FF debate. I've held my tongue for a long time now. And I've been disappointed with some of the changes to Doom. And worried about the film in general. But then again, when I saw the first images of the X-Men and their foes on the cover of 'Entertainment Weekly', my heart sank. They looked cheap and a wee bit goofy. And I ended up being more than pleasantly surprised by the finished film.

This image of Victor has just given me a new lease on hope for the FF. Not only is it Comic-book perfect, it's actually SCARY. He looks a hell of a lot more menacing than Raimi's GG EVER did. And even if Doom disappoints, remember, GG didn't sink Spidey 1, because they got so many other elements right. And it only paved the way for RADICAL improvements in Spidey 2.

So for now, I'm encouraged by one scary-ass picture of Doctor Doom. He's already showing signs of being better than the Goblin, and he's not even out of the gate. Let's keep hope alive.

This was an excellent post.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I have to disagree... Ultimate Doom is still in his gestation period and really has a long way to go before porcupine quills and lethal halitosis trumps the original. He was only able to gather about him a bunch of retro hippie types and had the crap beaten out of him on a regular basis by his father once he reached the age of 12. I think since he was a huge disappointment to a lot of the fans that there will be a major overhaul when he next appears. It was doubly disappointing for me because I expected a lot more from Warren Ellis, who wrote such an excellent Doom 2099. That guy was so bad ass he left the White House a bloody shambles.

And that photo of Doom would make Jack Kirby proud!!


http://www.members.aol.com/madamehydra/FF57.jpg




I see your point. But the reason why I feel he kicks ass is because of the one thing I see with Ultimate Doom thusfar: he has tremendous potential. I wasn't too keen on the spikes and death-dealing bad breath--and certainly not the goat hooves. But I think they got certain elements right and there is a lot of potential for greatness if they continue to work on him.

They have to start somewhere. Let's just hope Live Action Doom doesn't start there. :o

[lockjaw]

Sorry but I've got no sympathy for you there because I think Ultimate Doom kicks MAJOR, MAJOR azz. He's hard and scary as hell!

But the hooves would not work here. LOL :down
Well, well, well Mr.Strikez,
It would apear we share a common intrest in Ultimate's Doom. I too, think he's great. I've actually been a fan of the hooves sense the start. I just think they say "Yes, I'm evil"

[Ratcrawler]

Doom's eyes look like mines. :)

[zer00]

Here's a slightly pulled back version of the same pic, used elsewhere in the issue :
http://home.earthlink.net/~ronsuploads/ffcorman/doomad2.gif

It is from Wizard number 162, on stands today. The Wizard movie issue is advertised as being on sale March 9. The current issue also has a brief interview with Jessica Alba.

holy hell that's great.

[Vartha]

does anyone have a larger scan of that? I'll make a wallpaper if you do. :D

[Herr Logan]

Okay. Let's say the brains behind the movie INCLUDED ten minutes of an accurate origin. You're still going to be angry he's a CEO of "Von Doom Industries" right? Should Doom just be a diplomat from Latveria in the movie? Should they show him flying out of Latveria International airport en route to America? What is his motivation? The reasoning for his interaction with the Fantastic Four? Sure, he was Reed's ol' college buddy. What does he do after that? I'm just playing devil's advocate. It's a two hour movie, some things you can condense, some things you can't. Personally, I'm more disappointed with the organic armor/super-strength thing. I think what we need to realize, Herr Logan, is that this movie will be both lighthearted and serious, and as you know, the comic-book movie makers want these films to appeal to a broad audience, much to the bane of fans, so it is upsetting when our beloved characters aren't exactly pefect as we know them. Trust me, I know where you're coming from. If it was one character I didn't want screwed up, it's Doom. That being said, it can still be okay...the movie might still work with Julian's Doom. We'll have to see is all.

I really don't want to hear any more nonsense about what studios think the broad audience wants to see. I understand all that. I understand their motivations. It doesn't change the fact that they make the decisions they do based on cowardice and arrogance. It's absolutely possible to make a faithful FF movie with broad appeal. If you don't think so, then your imagination is far too limited for your thoughts on this subject to be worth anything at all. We're talking hypothetical options for a sci-fi fantasy movie, so imagination is pretty much a requirement here.

You claim that even if Doom's origin were given in this movie, I would still be angry about his status as a CEO in America. I didn't mean to give the impression earlier that I was proposing the writers give CEO Doom a chunk of background exposition. CEO Doom is automatically a lost cause. He will never, ever be even remotely like Doom, because Doom is not a businessman, period. I was explaining that a sufficient background for Doom (basically, a brief recap of his past in Latveria, his college days, and some of what he's been up to since he got kicked out of college for causing an explosion) could be written into a movie about the real Doom. There's no point in trying to give credibility to something that is inherently artificial and inferior to that which it is supposed to represent.

As far as I'm concerned, the further from the real Doom they make Movie!Doom, the better. There's no possible way they can make me (or any other reasonably knowledgable fan of Dr. Doom) believe this is actually an accurate version of the character for which he is named. They may as well change the character completely, thereby removing any doubt in knowledgable people's minds that they got it right. Regardless of whatever surprises await me in the theater, from the information I've seen confirmed dozens of times, they already ruined any promise of being truthful in their presentation of the character.
By making him a CEO with a love triangle motivation who acts like a coward, they've made it impossible for this to actually be Dr. Doom. I know for a fact that a few posters here are going to lie to me and tell me that "they captured his essence" or "some details were changed, but they got his basic character right." I hate people that lie to me, whether or not it's a result of them lying to themselves and passing it on second-hand. :wolverine

[Herr Logan]

Thanks for your comprehension, fine sir. :cool:

:mad:

Btw, when nearly the only positive thing said here about movie Doom is: "We aren't 100% sure he will be utterly unfaithful", it's not very much to go by...

That's a damn good point.

I oughtta use that more often. :o

:wolverine

[lockjaw]

I really don't want to hear any more nonsense about what studios think the broad audience wants to see. I understand all that. I understand their motivations. It doesn't change the fact that they make the decisions they do based on cowardice and arrogance. It's absolutely possible to make a faithful FF movie with broad appeal. If you don't think so, then your imagination is far too limited for your thoughts on this subject to be worth anything at all. We're talking hypothetical options for a sci-fi fantasy movie, so imagination is pretty much a requirement here.

You claim that even if Doom's origin were given in this movie, I would still be angry about his status as a CEO in America. I didn't mean to give the impression earlier that I was proposing the writers give CEO Doom a chunk of background exposition. CEO Doom is automatically a lost cause. He will never, ever be even remotely like Doom, because Doom is not a businessman, period. I was explaining that a sufficient background for Doom (basically, a brief recap of his past in Latveria, his college days, and some of what he's been up to since he got kicked out of college for causing an explosion) could be written into a movie about the real Doom. There's no point in trying to give credibility to something that is inherently artificial and inferior to that which it is supposed to represent.

As far as I'm concerned, the further from the real Doom they make Movie!Doom, the better. There's no possible way they can make me (or any other reasonably knowledgable fan of Dr. Doom) believe this is actually an accurate version of the character for which he is named. They may as well change the character completely, thereby removing any doubt in knowledgable people's minds that they got it right. Regardless of whatever surprises await me in the theater, from the information I've seen confirmed dozens of times, they already ruined any promise of being truthful in their presentation of the character.
By making him a CEO with a love triangle motivation who acts like a coward, they've made it impossible for this to actually be Dr. Doom. I know for a fact that a few posters here are going to lie to me and tell me that "they captured his essence" or "some details were changed, but they got his basic character right." I hate people that lie to me, whether or not it's a result of them lying to themselves and passing it on second-hand. :wolverine

Look dude, I'm sure as hell not going to "lie" to you about how Fox has handled the FF to this point. To be really HONEST NO ONE KNOWS!! We got a SHOOTING script with no 3rd act and yes . . .questionable origin changes. Bro, you remind me of the post's from last fall. No one is forcing you to see this movie and I really dont understand how I could re-read your post into anything constructive. Complainig about Doom issues at this point is just pointless. We have every indication that changes or not we will have an enjoyable summer film with the FF's name attached to it. As a fan, how much more do you need man? I understand your very well articulated point in regards to a "faithfull" adaptation. I agree to a point. I also have investment FF #1's that need to jump and I'm not really "feeling" all this negativity.

[Sardaukar]

****'s about to hit the fan.

I can smell it already.

[Night]

Lets say that Marvel makes a FF trilogy, Herr Logan? Would you rather them not even have doom in it, then take this doom that they have made. That we don't even know for sure how messed up he is. I mean organic skin yeah. I understand the frustration, but would you rather them just not use him?

[Will]

You Doomites might want to see this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/knightshade/toyfair/moviedoom.jpg
Yeah I'm not too crazy about that look from the belt buckles down. I'd have preferred probably all black leather pants and boots or something armor'ish instead of plain pants and some weird shoes.

I hope he looks a bit better than that on film with tweaked and better design.

[Felix]

But...
His feet...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/knightshade/toyfair/moviedoom.jpg

HOOVES?! :eek:

Or just strange shoes? Some sort of spats?

[Everyman]

Lets say that Marvel makes a FF trilogy, Herr Logan? Would you rather them not even have doom in it, then take this doom that they have made. That we don't even know for sure how messed up he is. I mean organic skin yeah. I understand the frustration, but would you rather them just not use him?

But when you DON'T use him properly, is it really worth having him? This pseudo-Doom has been ill-written so much it is insulting: he hates Richards for romantic rivalry over Sue Storm, he is a wealthy greedy businessman, he has a abd skin problem, etc. Somehow it reminds of me of Coppola's Dracula: they have this guy named Dracula, but he is nothing like the source material. He jsut shares the same name.

And I am all in favor of departing from the source amterial if it is necessary and done with intelligence. But they devoid Doom of all that made him original and instead used every cliche in the book of villains. Instead of an uber-villain, you have a uber cliche...

[The offspring]

if ya look at that pic of the doom figure he aint got metal hands which leads me to believe its a very early on in the movie version of doom and hes wearing the mask to hide his face for whatever reason

[Everyman]

But he is still a greedy businessman who is attracted to Sue Storm... After that, even if he was only disfigured and if he had a suit, he would still be a travesty of the real character.

And besides, the movie Doom looks like a Mexican wrestler.

[Saph]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/knightshade/toyfair/moviedoom.jpg
I think this version of Doom is when he's not really doom yet. I think he's just put the mask on to hide something, and that trenchcoat is just a normal trenchcoat, which he just puts on because he's walking outside. I don't think this incarnation of Doom in the movie is one that intends to fight the FF.. the incarnation at the end does.

[Lightning Strykez!]

And besides, the movie Doom looks like a Mexican wrestler.

http://home.earthlink.net/~ronsuploads/ffcorman/doomad2.gif

He does? I beg to differ on that one.

[Lightning Strykez!]

At any rate, we're obsessing over a plastic toy folks. If you look at the Johnny Toy he doesn't look any better. The newly released pic of Doom restores some of my faith that they are going to get him right aesthetically...even if he is modernized.

But those shoes are HIDEOUS.

[Herr Logan]

^Three consecutive plain and simple dumbass statements in a row^. What do you care who complaines about what and why? I find it very ironic how you see people like us as being foolish because no offense Slick, I personally see you as having foolishness written on your forehead, your shirt, your sleave.......AND how have you concluded that what we say causes unfaithful adaptations? All you've accomplished with this joke of a statement of yours is proof that this movie's indeed a trainwreck waiting to be witnessed by us caring individuals to feel remorse over. If anything, you're accusing Avi and co. of ruining this film that has been long awaited for decades. Thank you Slick, we already knew this.

I already knew this also, but thanks for admitting this horrendous fact about Fox, but you forgot to include Avi and co.
OH......MY .....GOD! Forgive him Father, for he knoweth not how he thinketh.............

So you admit that we're doing this film a strong service. Thank you, all this time I've been seeing this battle as a thankless one....too bad it negates everything else you've been saying.

I repeat........too bad it negates everything else you've been saying.

Two sentenses here. The first one is a no brainer that a kindergardener could have told us; the second is yet, another noteworthy dumbass statement from Slick Willy

The prime reason for me to post this and respond is not only because you've pretty much grouped us all; but to plead with you to also give me the honor to be on you ignore list also. Please include me on it.

*sigh*

My hero. :D

:wolverine

[TheSaintofKillers]

At any rate, we're obsessing over a plastic toy folks. If you look at the Johnny Toy he doesn't look any better. The newly released pic of Doom restores some of my faith that they are going to get him right aesthetically...even if he is modernized.

But those shoes are HIDEOUS.

I'd say the whole toy is hideous. ;)

Even the most faithful and badass Doom design would have been hideous under those toymakers.

[Saph]

I actually don't see what's so bad about a trenchcoat.. they're basically just capes with sleeves.

[Herr Logan]

Lets say that Marvel makes a FF trilogy, Herr Logan? Would you rather them not even have doom in it, then take this doom that they have made. That we don't even know for sure how messed up he is. I mean organic skin yeah. I understand the frustration, but would you rather them just not use him?

I'd rather they not spend millions of dollars on a movie with a piece of crap script that bastardizes good characters, period.
The fact is, there are ways to make a faithful FF movie that appeals to a wider audience than just fans and is also chock full of special effects and superhero action. Just because studios choose not to take those routes does not mean they don't exist.

I'll admit, I don't care as much about the Mole Man as I do about Doom, so I suppose if they bastardized that character or the Puppet Master, etc., instead of Doom, I wouldn't be as pissed off. Regardless, all of these characters should be treated with respect and given a real effort to maintain integrity while also being filmed and directed in such a way that movie critics in general will give it a fair shake. :wolverine

[Felix]

But those shoes are HIDEOUS.


Those shoes are INEXPLICABLE.

[TheSaintofKillers]

I actually don't see what's so bad about a trenchcoat.. they're basically just capes with sleeves.

You mean, aside from the fact they've been in every goddamn movie from the last ten years ? And that Doom would probably never wear one ?

Or that it's just plain ugly on him ? ;)

[Herr Logan]

But when you DON'T use him properly, is it really worth having him? This pseudo-Doom has been ill-written so much it is insulting: he hates Richards for romantic rivalry over Sue Storm, he is a wealthy greedy businessman, he has a abd skin problem, etc. Somehow it reminds of me of Coppola's Dracula: they have this guy named Dracula, but he is nothing like the source material. He jsut shares the same name.

And I am all in favor of departing from the source amterial if it is necessary and done with intelligence. But they devoid Doom of all that made him original and instead used every cliche in the book of villains. Instead of an uber-villain, you have a uber cliche...

You said it much better than I probably could've. That's exactly the problem. :up:

:wolverine

[Saph]

You mean, aside from the fact they've been in every goddamn movie from the last ten years ? And that Doom would probably never wear one ?

Or that it's just plain ugly on him ? ;)

It has not been ten years since 1999.. when the Matrix made trenchcoats famous.

No other main superhero character has ever been given a trenchcoat.. however, small, secondary villains have, and it actually looks good and fitting on them.

Van Helsing had a trench-coat because they were popular during that time period.

Doom does not look good in a trench-coat, no, but if you remove the arms, it is basically Dooms cape. And I think Doom's trenchcoat here isn't part of his costume, it just happens to be what he's wearing during the fight scene shown in the trailers.

[Herr Logan]

You mean, aside from the fact they've been in every goddamn movie from the last ten years ? And that Doom would probably never wear one ?

Or that it's just plain ugly on him ? ;)

Exactly!

Hell, I've been wearing a trenchcoat since a little after "Blade" came out, and I'm really freakin' sick of seeing that repeatedly used to "update" superheroes. It's a horrendous cliche.

"Blade" (1998) came out before "The Matrix." I'm sure there was probably some action movie before "Blade" that inspired this cliche to gain momentum, but I don't know what it would be. :wolverine

[Herr Logan]

It has not been ten years since 1999.. when the Matrix made trenchcoats famous.

No other main superhero character has ever been given a trenchcoat.. however, small, secondary villains have, and it actually looks good and fitting on them.

Van Helsing had a trench-coat because they were popular during that time period.

Doom does not look good in a trench-coat, no, but if you remove the arms, it is basically Dooms cape. And I think Doom's trenchcoat here isn't part of his costume, it just happens to be what he's wearing during the fight scene shown in the trailers.

Cyclops was given a trenchcoat in "X-Men 2," as well as Nightcrawler.
The fact that Brian Singer cheated fans and made Cyclops a useless background character does not change the fact that Cyclops is unquestionably a "main superhero." He's a primary figure in of one of the most profitable and widely known superhero franchises in history, and he has been since 1963. :wolverine

[TheSaintofKillers]

Exactly!

Hell, I've been wearing a trenchcoat since a little after "Blade" came out, and I'm really freakin' sick of seeing that repeatedly used to "update" superheroes. It's a horrendous cliche.

"Blade" (1998) came out before "The Matrix." I'm sure there was probably some action movie before "Blade" that inspired this cliche to gain momentum, but I don't know what it would be. :wolverine

The crow ? Hell yeah.

Probably the first comic book movie to boost a trenchcoat.

Since then, leather and Trenchcoat have been everywhere.

[Saph]

Cyclops was given a trenchcoat in "X-Men 2," as well as Nightcrawler.
The fact that Brian Singer cheated fans and made Cyclops a useless background character does not change the fact that Cyclops is unquestionably a "main superhero." He's a primary figure in of one of the most profitable and widely known superhero franchises in history, and he has been since 1963. :wolverine

I thought Cyclops' trenchcoat was just something he wore outdoors.. and Nightcrawler doesn't count, considering he wasn't part of the team and had no costume.

And this isn't about X-Men, i'm just talking to saintofkille about the history of the trenchcoat.

[Saph]

Exactly!

Hell, I've been wearing a trenchcoat since a little after "Blade" came out, and I'm really freakin' sick of seeing that repeatedly used to "update" superheroes. It's a horrendous cliche.

"Blade" (1998) came out before "The Matrix." I'm sure there was probably some action movie before "Blade" that inspired this cliche to gain momentum, but I don't know what it would be. :wolverine

The trenchcoat has never been used to update superheroes.. the only superheroes i've seen that have wore trenchcoats in movies are..

Blade- I recall reading a Spider-Man comic where Blade is wearing one.

Cyclops- Cyclops was just wearing it as normal outdoor clothing.. perhaps it was cold outside.

Nightcrawler- Nightcrawler wasn't part of the team. He had no costume.

Hellboy- Hellboy has a trenchcoat in the comics.

And I am aware of blade wearing a trenchcoat in 1998, but the Matrix (1999) made it famous.

[Herr Logan]

I thought Cyclops' trenchcoat was just something he wore outdoors.. and Nightcrawler doesn't count, considering he wasn't part of the team and had no costume.

And this isn't about X-Men, i'm just talking to saintofkille about the history of the trenchcoat.

You said that no other main superhero character was given a trench coat. I proved you wrong with an example and supporting information to verify Cyclops' status as a "main superhero character."
And yes, Nightcrawler counts (everyone sucked into this trend counts), although he's not necessary to disprove what you said earlier.

It doesn't matter whether or not Movie!Cyclops wore his trenchcoat outside (isn't that what people with coats in general?) or inside. He was given a trenchcoat in "X-Men 2."
This is not the same as giving Movie!Spider-Man a long coat to wear at a funeral over his civvies, this is putting a trench coat on the first X-Man while he was inside a prison facility while he is in costume, when a trench coat has never been a part of Cyclops' costume, outside or inside.

It also doesn't matter if Movie!Doom's coat can be officially called "part of his costume or not," especially since we have no confirmation that Movie!Doom has any "official" costume. He's wearing it in the promo pics, he'll be wearing it in the movie, and his action figures are wearing it. That definitively means that Movie!Doom is wearing a trench coat in this film and that the trench coat is being used to sell Doom to prospective audience members as much as anything else shown in a promo picture. :wolverine

[Herr Logan]

The trenchcoat has never been used to update superheroes.. the only superheroes i've seen that have wore trenchcoats in movies are..

Blade- I recall reading a Spider-Man comic where Blade is wearing one.

Cyclops- Cyclops was just wearing it as normal outdoor clothing.. perhaps it was cold outside.

Nightcrawler- Nightcrawler wasn't part of the team. He had no costume.

Hellboy- Hellboy has a trenchcoat in the comics.

And I am aware of blade wearing a trenchcoat in 1998, but the Matrix (1999) made it famous.

They also gave it to Bullseye, Sabretooth and Doc Ock. Villains count in this, too, especially since that is what Dr. Doom is.
Don't argue that Doc Ock had the trenchcoat as any kind of official costume in the comics before the movie came out, because we all know that the recent change in Doc Ock's appearance, attire and equipment was executed concurrently with the production of "Spider-Man 2." In earlier comics, Doc Ock has worn a trench coat to cover up his weaponry but did not fight any significant percentage of battles while wearing it. He has worn several notable outfits in which he did fight, possibly concealed under a coat until he was ready (or forced) to do battle. Movie!Doom's trench coat cannot be considered a tool of concealment the way Doc Ock's from the comics was, because nobody hides under a green, hooded trench coat with golden clasps in the front that doesn't even cover as much of his body as a typical long coat would.

For the record, I have no real problem with Doc Ock's physical appearance and attire in the movie-- although he looks like absolute crap in the comics right now, all things considered-- but it is unquestionably a part of a larger trend.

I explained why Cyclops' coat doesn't count as normal civilian attire, since he wasn't in civilian garb.

Saph, I'm not going to get nasty with you like I do with people who deserve it, but I'll use every valid argument available to me against argument I deem invalid. I think you know that the arguments you've been giving regarding the public's knowledge of the film and especially this trench coat issue don't hold water. I'd suggest finding different topics of debate if you insist on prolonging this. :wolverine

[Milkman95]

This Doom talk will continue to go in circles. Bottom line is Tim Story, Avi Arad, and the writers dropped the ball with the character. Now we have to live with it.

I never had full confidence in Story to begin with, and now I see why......

[TheSaintofKillers]

This Doom talk will continue to go in circles. Bottom line is Tim Story, Avi Arad, and the writers dropped the ball with the character. Now we have to live with it.

I never had full confidence in Story to begin with, and now I see why......

Actually, i'd say it's more because someone low profile like Story probably doesn't have much powers or influence in the production of the movie. If studios wanted Movie Doom to be the way he is, I doubt he could change much. He was probably as much hire because of his skills and as much for his low status (i.e. they can easily control him).

[Herr Logan]

This Doom talk will continue to go in circles. Bottom line is Tim Story, Avi Arad, and the writers dropped the ball with the character. Now we have to live with it.

I never had full confidence in Story to begin with, and now I see why......

Unless you had any inclination to give Story confidence that he would make decisions that would override those of Avi Arad and cronies, this can't really be construed as his fault at present time.

I hold Sam Raimi accountable for a good portion of the failures in the Spider-Man films because he saw fit to fill up the first one with numerous in-jokes and allusions to his other work, and for comments he made regarding his take on the story. Even if Arad put him up to saying those things, Raimi went further than he had to in order to claim this movie as his labor of love, thereby inviting blame for his part in all this. Bryan Singer is similarly culpable for the pretentious and dishonest things he said in interviews.

I haven't heard much from Story except for basic summaries of what would be included in this film. If I see more comments from him that are dishonest or claiming a credible amount of responsibility, I'll be more than happy to blame him as much as Arad.
As it is, he comes off like a puppet. Perhaps Arad and others at Marvel Films and Fox have access to radioactive clay from Wundagore or are holding his family hostage. Or he's just a spineless sell-out with nothing to offer but a convenient target. :wolverine

[Saph]

You said that no other main superhero character was given a trench coat. I proved you wrong with an example and supporting information to verify Cyclops' status as a "main superhero character."
And yes, Nightcrawler counts (everyone sucked into this trend counts), although he's not necessary to disprove what you said earlier.
No other main superhero character has been given a trenchcoat to update the costume is what I said. Cyclops wasn't wearing his trenchcoat on a mission, was he? If he was you'd have plenty of reason to moan and *****, but he didn't. It was basically, JUST A COAT.

It doesn't matter whether or not Movie!Cyclops wore his trenchcoat outside (isn't that what people with coats in general?) or inside. He was given a trenchcoat in "X-Men 2."
This is not the same as giving Movie!Spider-Man a long coat to wear at a funeral over his civvies, this is putting a trench coat on the first X-Man while he was inside a prison facility while he is in costume, when a trench coat has never been a part of Cyclops' costume, outside or inside.
But Cyclops wasn't in action. He was taking Professor X to see Magneto. The trenchcoat wasn't a part of his costume, it was as you say, why people wear coats in general.

It also doesn't matter if Movie!Doom's coat can be officially called "part of his costume or not," especially since we have no confirmation that Movie!Doom has any "official" costume. He's wearing it in the promo pics, he'll be wearing it in the movie, and his action figures are wearing it. That definitively means that Movie!Doom is wearing a trench coat in this film and that the trench coat is being used to sell Doom to prospective audience members as much as anything else shown in a promo picture. :wolverine

But Dooms trenchcoat doesn't look like any other trenchcoat i've seen wore in a movie. It has gold buttons, and is a dirty green. It's not even his final costume, which is a part of the third act, which is being kept secret from the public. That's why this Doom incarnation is being used for action figures, except the Lego figure (which are hardly detailed anyway).

[Everyman]

http://home.earthlink.net/~ronsuploads/ffcorman/doomad2.gif


He does? I beg to differ on that one.

In the trailer, he sure looked like a Mexican wrestler.

[HerosOnFilm]

The way I see it, we're not too far off from having an actual superhero named "Trenchcoat" at some point, LOL. "The Crow" seemed to start the trend. Everyone says we'll see the cape in the movie...I'm starting to wonder if these are the same people that think the Thing will still have his trademark brow. A cape and a trenchcoat? Seems like like overkill. I don't think we'll be seeing the Doom cape, folks. What do you think?

[Milkman95]

I stand corrected Herr, Story is a puppet, and that's why they hired him. He also came cheap since he's inexperienced.........

[Herr Logan]

No other main superhero character has been given a trenchcoat to update the costume is what I said. Cyclops wasn't wearing his trenchcoat on a mission, was he? If he was you'd have plenty of reason to moan and *****, but he didn't. It was basically, JUST A COAT.


But Cyclops wasn't in action. He was taking Professor X to see Magneto. The trenchcoat wasn't a part of his costume, it was as you say, why people wear coats in general.



But Dooms trenchcoat doesn't look like any other trenchcoat i've seen wore in a movie. It has gold buttons, and is a dirty green. It's not even his final costume, which is a part of the third act, which is being kept secret from the public. That's why this Doom incarnation is being used for action figures, except the Lego figure (which are hardly detailed anyway).

I'm sorry. That's not good enough.

Movie!Cyclops wears a costume hot enough to make Marsden literally pass out after a day of filming so that he needs to be carried to his trailer. He's not keeping warm, he's keeping an image that focus groups tell studios works better with the public.
If Cyclops was in civilian clothing, he wouldn't be wearing black leather at all and wouldn't be wearing his battle visor. Since he was wearing both, that argument is invalid. He was accompanying Xavier on a fact-finding mission, in full battle gear, ready for trouble. :wolverine

[Herr Logan]

The way I see it, we're not too far off from having an actual superhero named "Trenchcoat" at some point, LOL. "The Crow" seemed to start the trend. Everyone says we'll see the cape in the movie...I'm starting to wonder if these are the same people that think the Thing will still have his trademark brow. A cape and a trenchcoat? Seems like like overkill. I don't think we'll be seeing the Doom cape, folks. What do you think?

I think there's a good chance we'll be seeing Brandon Routh wearing a red trench coat over a dark blue leather bodysuit in "Superman Returns."

I wish I was joking. :(

:wolverine

[Saph]

The way I see it, we're not too far off from having an actual superhero named "Trenchcoat" at some point, LOL. "The Crow" seemed to start the trend. Everyone says we'll see the cape in the movie...I'm starting to wonder if these are the same people that think the Thing will still have his trademark brow. A cape and a trenchcoat? Seems like like overkill. I don't think we'll be seeing the Doom cape, folks. What do you think?

The Matrix made the trenchcoat famous, hardly anyone has even heard of the crow.

No Superhero has been given a trenchcoat as part of their actual costume before, if they have it fits the character, or the character wore it in the comics.

The thing has his brow, seen most noticably in the International trailer when he says 'not a problem'.

Who said he wore a cape over his trenchcoat? I think, and KNOW he will be wearing the comic doom attire. Confirmed by the Lego toy, which is part of a lego set that shows part of the third act.

[Herr Logan]

The Matrix made the trenchcoat famous, hardly anyone has even heard of the crow.

No Superhero has been given a trenchcoat as part of their actual costume before, if they have it fits the character, or the character wore it in the comics.

The thing has his brow, seen most noticably in the International trailer when he says 'not a problem'.

Who said he wore a cape over his trenchcoat? I think, and KNOW he will be wearing the comic doom attire. Confirmed by the Lego toy, which is part of a lego set that shows part of the third act.

Saph, what is it about this movie that makes you so defensive? Why are you giving the same kind of arguments that the more civil Spider-Man movie apologists would make? :wolverine

[Saph]

I'm sorry. That's not good enough.

Movie!Cyclops wears a costume hot enough to make Marsden literally pass out after a day of filming so that he needs to be carried to his trailer. He's not keeping warm, he's keeping an image that focus groups tell studios works better with the public.
If Cyclops was in civilian clothing, he wouldn't be wearing black leather at all and wouldn't be wearing his battle visor. Since he was wearing both, that argument is invalid. He was accompanying Xavier on a fact-finding mission, in full battle gear, ready for trouble. :wolverine

Of couse Cyclops had his visor and costume on, he was visiting MAGNETO, if anthing went wrong, Cyclops would be able to throw off his coat, and battle.

I should rephrase my 'mission' statement, it wasn't a mission like the other X-Men were going on, a battle wasn't expected. This was a mission, but it wasn't one where Cyclops would run in, kick Magneto in the face and incarcarate him. He was basically a bodyguard/chauffer.

[Saph]

Saph, what is it about this movie that makes you so defensive? Why are you giving the same kind of arguments that the more civil Spider-Man movie apologists would make? :wolverine

Because I haven't seen it yet, that's why. Notice i've never made a statement saying 'it's for a wider audience' or 'it's more realistic that way'. The only thing that's remotely wrong in this movie is Doom, if it was an utter bastardisation all round then i'd probably be right with you, fighting off defenders, but the good outweighs the bad by FOUR TIMES, and all the things about doom you fear have either been disproved, or not confirmed, except the organic armour and electricity, which I don't think affects his character in the slightest.

[Saph]

Look, if this isn't false advertising (which I don't think wizard is incapable of) then next issue we'll find out more about Doom. It could make you like this Doom more, or make me hate movie Doom. Or it could just be a load of hogwash and repeats of things we already know.

http://home.earthlink.net/~ronsuploads/ffcorman/doomad.gif

[Milkman95]

Time will tell. From the info we have right now, they dropped the ball with the character......

[HerosOnFilm]

The Matrix made the trenchcoat famous, hardly anyone has even heard of the crow.

No Superhero has been given a trenchcoat as part of their actual costume before, if they have it fits the character, or the character wore it in the comics.

The thing has his brow, seen most noticably in the International trailer when he says 'not a problem'.

Who said he wore a cape over his trenchcoat? I think, and KNOW he will be wearing the comic doom attire. Confirmed by the Lego toy, which is part of a lego set that shows part of the third act.

You guys must be too young to remember The Crow. Just kidding. Pick up the graphic novel, it's excellent. Yes, The Matrix made the trenchcoat famous, but there are superheroes who have it as part of their costume: Blade (movie Blade) most notably, Static Shock from the popular WB cartoon...you can make the case for Gambit...I know there are others.

I haven't seen the international trailer yet, so I don't know that the brow is technically there. As for Doom...I stand by my prediction...we'll see.

[HerosOnFilm]

I think there's a good chance we'll be seeing Brandon Routh wearing a red trench coat over a dark blue leather bodysuit in "Superman Returns."

I wish I was joking. :(

:wolverine

That's hilarious!!

[Saph]

You guys must be too young to remember The Crow. Just kidding.


I'm talking as a normal person here, I doubt barely anyone would know the Crow movie if you asked them, and if they do know they wouldn't have known it was a comic book.

It didn't start any trend.

[Ulic Queldroma]

The Matrix made the trenchcoat famous, hardly anyone has even heard of the crow.

No Superhero has been given a trenchcoat as part of their actual costume before, if they have it fits the character, or the character wore it in the comics.

The thing has his brow, seen most noticably in the International trailer when he says 'not a problem'.

Who said he wore a cape over his trenchcoat? I think, and KNOW he will be wearing the comic doom attire. Confirmed by the Lego toy, which is part of a lego set that shows part of the third act.

Who knows? We may see him in tunic-wear at the end. Even if he doesn't, is that really a bad thing? I don't know.

[Kelly]

I don't know that I'm a normal person....not really sure what that is....;) but I can officially say that I did not know that the Crow as a comic book......don't really know why I felt the need to tell people that.....but I just learned something new today........:)

[Caliber]

Who knows? We may see him in tunic-wear at the end. Even if he doesn't, is that really a bad thing? I don't know.

I rather Doom not have the tunic because people will laugh at him more than they already do.

[Hunter Rider]

I don't know that I'm a normal person....not really sure what that is....;) but I can officially say that I did not know that the Crow as a comic book......don't really know why I felt the need to tell people that.....but I just learned something new today........:)

well as far as the trenhcoat goes its been around even before the crow,if you go back to Bladerunner and the first Terminator movie,the lead good guys wore trenchcoats as did the Rutger Hauer character in the Hitcher.I think the re-birth of it was the crow then blade then the Matrix.All of whose directors were influenced by john woo and his film A Better tomorrow 2,where chow yun fat wore a trenchcoat and did the 2 gun shooting that all those movies also used

[Kelly]

well as far as the trenhcoat goes its been around even before the crow,if you go back to Bladerunner and the first Terminator movie,the lead good guys wore trenchcoats as did the Rutger Hauer character in the Hitcher.I think the re-birth of it was the crow then blade then the Matrix.All of whose directors were influenced by john woo and his film A Better tomorrow 2,where chow yun fat wore a trenchcoat and did the 2 gun shooting that all those movies also used



and you are telling me all of this because.................;) ;)

[Paradoxium]

and you are telling me all of this because.................;) ;)

It's pretty damn obvious.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/batman.gif > :doom:

[Mister Sinister]

This Doom talk will continue to go in circles. Bottom line is Tim Story, Avi Arad, and the writers dropped the ball with the character. Now we have to live with it.

I never had full confidence in Story to begin with, and now I see why......
OH MY GOD, THIS PERSON HAS SEEN THE MOVIE AND IS NOW ABLE TO JUDGE THE QUALITY OF IT!!!

Click the bottom link in my sig.

[Milkman95]

OH MY GOD, THIS PERSON HAS SEEN THE MOVIE AND IS NOW ABLE TO JUDGE THE QUALITY OF IT!!!

Click the bottom link in my sig.

I'm not clicking anything. I've read the script, and have been up-to-date with all the possible changes. Sorry we don't share the same opinion, and because of that, I can see the future? What a joke.

[Head>On<Collider]

I have good news for everyone.....








.......................................at least the ones who like UFF.










If you like UFF, you'll probably like this movie.

[Lightning Strykez!]

It's pretty damn obvious.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/batman.gif > :doom:


http://img224.exs.cx/img224/640/flame7tl.jpg

:mad: :rolleyes:

[Lightning Strykez!]

Time will tell. From the info we have right now, they dropped the ball with the character......

http://tinypic.com/1tlywz

Yep, they really have. This is truly "Doom In Name Only".













:rolleyes:















:cool:

[Head>On<Collider]

http://tinypic.com/1tlywz

Yep, they really have. This is truly "Doom In Name Only".













:rolleyes:















:cool:I knew you'd see the light eventually.





Anyway, anyone like yourself who likes UFF is in for a real treat. They've done a good job of assimilating Ultimate Doom into this movie; and I'm truly happy for you from the bottom of my heart.

[Boom]

http://tinypic.com/1tlywz

Yep, they really have. This is truly "Doom In Name Only".




They dropped the ball in terms of character. Besides, that's just the head. The rest of the costume is a very big letdown (For me of course).

[Milkman95]

I agree Lightnin', it will indeed be "Doom in name only"........IMO,who cares if he looks the part, I'd rather have the costume altered than the character itself.......but that's just me. The ball is still dropping.... :)

[Herr Logan]

You guys must be too young to remember The Crow. Just kidding. Pick up the graphic novel, it's excellent. Yes, The Matrix made the trenchcoat famous, but there are superheroes who have it as part of their costume: Blade (movie Blade) most notably, Static Shock from the popular WB cartoon...you can make the case for Gambit...I know there are others.

I haven't seen the international trailer yet, so I don't know that the brow is technically there. As for Doom...I stand by my prediction...we'll see.

I never saw the whole film, and I couldn't bring myself to read the graphic novel. The origin events enrage me too much. I can't make a judgement one way or another. :wolverine

[Herr Logan]

That's hilarious!!

I said I wasn't joking, dammit. :(

:D

:wolverine

[Night]

http://tinypic.com/1tlywz

Yep, they really have. This is truly "Doom In Name Only".













:rolleyes:















:cool:
I'm sorry that picture is so awesome that I didn't even think it was from the movie! I thought it was on of those fan paintings or something! Man that is cool! Looks Good! First step to become greatest movie villian?

[Herr Logan]

http://tinypic.com/1tlywz

There's no denying, that picture looks like Doom oughtta look. However, that doesn't justify the script or plot, and it wouldn't even if they got the rest of the costume right (which we do know they haven't). There's no reason they can't slap that mask and the right costume onto the real Dr. Doom and give us the whole package, except they weren't willing to work out a good script that they believed would sell. That's not on the source material, that's on their cowardice and/or laziness. :wolverine

[Paradoxium]

Who knows, the way Marvel has been going at it maybe they may turn comic Doom more into the movie Doom haha, I mean they gave Spider-Man organic webs now, anything is possible, unfortunately. :D

[Herr Logan]

Who knows, the way Marvel has been going at it maybe they may turn comic Doom more into the movie Doom haha, I mean they gave Spider-Man organic webs now, anything is possible, unfortunately. :D

Exactly. I wouldn't be surprised if they do change Doom to match Movie!Doom.

I also won't be surprised if they give Superman in the comics a red trenchcoat to match my apocalyptic prediction of Movie!Superman. :(

:wolverine

[Ant-Man]

Exactly. I wouldn't be surprised if they do change Doom to match Movie!Doom.

I also won't be surprised if they give Superman in the comics a red trenchcoat to match my apocalyptic prediction of Movie!Superman. :(

:wolverine

I hope they do give Superman a red trenchcoat, just so I can hear you b***h some more. Is it even possible for you to see anything positive in anything?

[Herr Logan]

I hope they do give Superman a red trenchcoat, just so I can hear you b***h some more. Is it even possible for you to see anything positive in anything?

You're a slow-witted child and I don't like you. :)

Your logic is faulty. Assuming that I don't "see anything positive in anything" based on seeing me ***** about a few creative failures on the internet is the epitome of ignorant. You're a complacent, deluded, inferior specimen of human life that is far more suited to painting rainbow murals on the walls of condemned buildings than even attempting to assess what my capabilities are.

Flame away, child. I've been ready for your nonsense since before you even heard of this site. :wolverine

[Head>On<Collider]

I'm finding myself blaming both Warren Ellis and Brian Michael Bendis more and more for their thorough job of reintroducing this alternate reality Dr. Damn stuff to the comic book world. Where else did the movie execs get these "wonderful" ideas making himout to be a metal mutant thing with those shoes that hint at being hooves?

[Sardaukar]

http://img215.exs.cx/img215/1742/supermantrench2es.gif

[Sardaukar]

I'm finding myself blaming both Warren Ellis and Brian Michael Bendis more and more for their thorough job of reintroducing this alternate reality Dr. Damn stuff to the comic book world. Where else did the movie execs get these "wonderful" ideas making himout to be a metal mutant thing with those shoes that hint at being hooves?

Yeah...but it's possible that Marvel wanted Ultimate Doom to be that way.

[wobbly]

I'm finding myself blaming both Warren Ellis and Brian Michael Bendis more and more for their thorough job of reintroducing this alternate reality Dr. Damn stuff to the comic book world. Where else did the movie execs get these "wonderful" ideas making himout to be a metal mutant thing with those shoes that hint at being hooves?

I think I remember reading that the organic metal mutation business was in an older script that pre-dates UFF (looked like it was considered in the older production drawings too). If true then this god awful idea is not all their fault.

[Herr Logan]

http://img215.exs.cx/img215/1742/supermantrench2es.gif




You took it a step further. It's not even red!! :mad:

:wolverine

[Sardaukar]

You took it a step further. It's not even red!! :mad:

:wolverine

I didn't make it.

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/dc%20comics/generations/elseworlds.htm


That Superman is from "Adventures of Superman Annual 6".

[wobbly]

http://tinypic.com/1tlywz

There's no denying, that picture looks like Doom oughtta look. However, that doesn't justify the script or plot, and it wouldn't even if they got the rest of the costume right (which we do know they haven't). There's no reason they can't slap that mask and the right costume onto the real Dr. Doom and give us the whole package, except they weren't willing to work out a good script that they believed would sell. That's not on the source material, that's on their cowardice and/or laziness. :wolverine

Yes, I love that mask. It's about the only thing we know of atm that has been done right with him. Still, at least they have'nt gone through with the raggedy 'doom on a bike' scene....

[Herr Logan]

I didn't make it.

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/dc%20comics/generations/elseworlds.htm


That Superman is from "Adventures of Superman Annual 6".

Yeah, but you brought it here where I could see it.

You knew what it would do to me. :(

:wolverine

[Sardaukar]

Yeah, but you brought it here where I could see it.

You knew what it would do to me. :(

:wolverine

heh heh

[Herr Logan]

heh heh

So when's that script gonna be done, Sardy?

What're you doin' here, wavin' red capes in front of me just to see me charge, when you should be writing your own Fantastic Four script?? :mad:

:wolverine

[Sardaukar]

So when's that script gonna be done, Sardy?

What're you doin' here, wavin' red capes in front of me just to see me charge, when you should be writing your own Fantastic Four script?? :mad:

:wolverine

I know...

I've been thinking about continuing that script.

I like how it's going, but it's too long.

I have to find ways of cutting down what I've got already by at least ten pages.

Good screenwriting means having a 90-120 page script.