I Am Doom....discuss me [merged-2]

[Herr Logan]

You should ask the mods who it was, just for ****s and giggles ;).

I don't know about that...

For all I know, they were aiming at me when they killed that creature and simply hit the wrong one. Kind of like how Ben Reilly took a fatal hit from the Green Goblin as the villain tried to kill Peter Parker at the end of the Clone Saga. I don't want to push my luck. :o

:wolverine

[Boom]

I don't know about that...

For all I know, they were aiming at me when they killed that creature and simply hit the wrong one. Kind of like how Ben Reilly took a fatal hit from the Green Goblin as the villain tried to kill Peter Parker at the end of the Clone Saga. I don't want to push my luck. :o

:wolverine
I would have defended ya, had that been the case :up:.

[Herr Logan]

I would have defended ya, had that been the case :up:.

You're among the finest officers I've ever known, General Boom. :up:

:wolverine

[lockjaw]

If you were any kind of bulldog, you'd have smelled that he wasn't even the same species as me. ;)

:wolverine

Uhhh, Mr.Logan I'm in the "Non-Sporting" group as per the AKC (American Kennel Club) I'm more of a chillin on the couch or teleporting to the food bowl breed. I'm not much for hunting, tracking or even fighting for that matter. You see I get my mean looks from centuries-old breeding for an age-old bloodsport called Bull-Baiting. You see my ancestors were bred to fight bull's in a gladiator-style ring. Last one standing wins. These matches were not exclusive to bulls as they would also pit bears against us too. At the turn of the 18th century British Royalty outlawed bull baiting as cruel. They also took a shine to my breed resulting shortly after we became the "british" Bulldog. We became rather fashionable and spread thru out most of Europe we are an "old" breed which lends itself to our sweet nature and stable attitudes. Most modern "bully looking" breeds are actually from bulldogs. The pretentious French Bulldog and the German rat-chaser the Boxer are both examples of dog breeds originaly bred from bulldogs. I hope this was helpful and I'm glad we only have one of you again as that was rather sad:up: Now, say something mean to me so things can go back to normal . . .

[Herr Logan]

Uhhh, Mr.Logan I'm in the "Non-Sporting" group as per the AKC (American Kennel Club) I'm more of a chillin on the couch or teleporting to the food bowl breed. I'm not much for hunting, tracking or even fighting for that matter. You see I get my mean looks from centuries-old breeding for an age-old bloodsport called Bull-Baiting. You see my ancestors were bred to fight bull's in a gladiator-style ring. Last one standing wins. These matches were not exclusive to bulls as they would also pit bears against us too. At the turn of the 18th century British Royalty outlawed bull baiting as cruel. They also took a shine to my breed resulting shortly after we became the "british" Bulldog. We became rather fashionable and spread thru out most of Europe we are an "old" breed which lends itself to our sweet nature and stable attitudes. Most modern "bully looking" breeds are actually from bulldogs. The pretentious French Bulldog and the German rat-chaser the Boxer are both examples of dog breeds originaly bred from bulldogs. I hope this was helpful and I'm glad we only have one of you again as that was rather sad:up: Now, say something mean to me so things can go back to normal . . .

Say something mean, eh?

Hmm... Well, I'm too tired to come up with something truly scathing and offensive, so here's just a little something to tide you over:
Bad dog! Bad, ugly, jowly, over-sized dog!

:wolverine

[lockjaw]

. . . I'll take that!:p

[Head>On<Collider]

Good to see that we're all still alive. Herr Logan must've really pissed someone off.

[The Navigator]

They killed the vile thing right before I could click on the "report bad post" button. Then I clicked on a link in my user control panel that should have led to its profile and mine came up. Scared the crap out of me. It was like... maybe it's me after all... maybe I'm finally officially insane. But it was just because mine was the last post in that thread once they wiped the filthy creature out and I hadn't refreshed the window yet. :wolverine

Weird. And creepy.

Who was this "other you?"

[Lightning Strykez!]

So Herr....

Does this mean the battle between us never came to a peaceful compromise??

;)

[Head>On<Collider]

I wondered this weakend......Does anyone think there'd be a chance in the movie that Reed Richards would come up with the cure only to have Doom hijack it and see to it he alone gets cured, and then only wears the mask afterward to hide the one scar that reminds him of his once mutated condition, the one scar that would remind him of himself? At least this way, he's being the kind of manipulative, self important ruler he could be, plus brilliant enough to keep Reed and the others from healing; furthermore making this whole metal mutation nonsense only one out of many obstacles for Victor Von Doom. . I'm sorry, but I'm just trying to work with what's been done already and I don't see any route to recourse here with what's been done. I need some of your guy's help on this! :(

[Pookie Begins]

Oh wow, I just read up on Doom. being new to the whole Fantastic Four and their world and characters. And he by far is the coolest villain in all of comics. Hopefully the movie version lives up to his comic status.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I wondered this weakend......Does anyone think there'd be a chance in the movie that Reed Richards would come up with the cure only to have Doom hijack it and see to it he alone gets cured, and then only wears the mask afterward to hide the one scar that reminds him of his once mutated condition, the one scar that would remind him of himself? At least this way, he's being the kind of manipulative, self important ruler he could be, plus brilliant enough to keep Reed and the others from healing; furthermore making this whole metal mutation nonsense only one out of many obstacles for Victor Von Doom. . I'm sorry, but I'm just trying to work with what's been done already and I don't see any route to recourse here with what's been done. I need some of your guy's help on this! :(


Well, there is supposed to be an expose this week in Wizard on Doom. In it, I read that he does cure Ben of his mutation, but only to eliminate him as a potential force to reckon with as he takes out each of the FF. This is true to Vic's meglomaniac nature--his vision comes first above all others...and he only helps someone if there is something he can get out of it.

Something tells me that Ben would not accept the cure from Victor unless Victor has cured himself and is living proof that the cure works.

[Head>On<Collider]

Well, there is supposed to be an expose this week in Wizard on Doom. In it, I read that he does cure Ben of his mutation, but only to eliminate him as a potential force to reckon with as he takes out each of the FF. This is true to Vic's meglomaniac nature--his vision comes first above all others...and he only helps someone if there is something he can get out of it.

Something tells me that Ben would not accept the cure from Victor unless Victor has cured himself and is living proof that the cure works.He cures Ben, or tries to cure him? At least I knew I was on to something there. If this is what the magazine says, then there just may be a chance that Doom will be cured in the end. Wierd..... Why go there in the first place?

[Lightning Strykez!]

He cures Ben, or tries to cure him? At least I knew I was on to something there. If this is what the magazine says, then there just may be a chance that Doom will be cured in the end. Wierd..... Why go there in the first place?


No, according to the article, he cures Ben. Ben then reverses the cure when he realizes that F4 is getting their arses kicked and that he's been duped by Vic.

Why go there in the first place? I guess because giving him organic metal/electro powers makes him more of a believable powerhouse against 4 cosmic-powered mutants in the eyes of an unfamiliar movie-going audience? :confused:

I mean, think about it: Since this is an origin film, he wouldn't have developed Doombots or have a base castle set up in Latveria, etc yet. So maybe Fox thinks this organic deal is a temporary way to get through the origin film to get Victor to where he needs to be in the sequel.

Personally I think it's stupid because they didn't HAVE to go with an origin film--they could've just started with this whole thing being already established, and cover the origin via flashbacks....but...

...whatever. :rolleyes:

I don't like it, but my mentality now is if the end justifies the means, I can roll with it...even if it is too "Hollywooded" up.

[Head>On<Collider]

No, according to the article, he cures Ben. Ben then reverses the cure when he realizes that F4 is getting their arses kicked and that he's been duped by Vic.

Why go there in the first place? I guess because giving him organic metal/electro powers makes him more of a believable powerhouse against 4 cosmic-powered mutants in the eyes of an unfamiliar movie-going audience? :confused:

I mean, think about it: Since this is an origin film, he wouldn't have developed Doombots or have a base castle set up in Latveria, etc yet. So maybe Fox thinks this organic deal is a temporary way to get through the origin film to get Victor to where he needs to be in the sequel.

Personally I think it's stupid because they didn't HAVE to go with an origin film--they could've just started with this whole thing being already established, and cover the origin via flashbacks....but...

...whatever. :rolleyes:

I don't like it, but my mentality now is if the end justifies the means, I can roll with it...even if it is too "Hollywooded" up.
I too think they should've left out his origin. They could've successfully done this, that, whatever... Basically, if he ends up cured, then we would all see him use his intellect as his weapon later; and the flaw I see in that is where they could've started there in the first place. The only means to justify this that comes to mind is, damnit, I can't really think of a way to fix this. I just can't get around them honoring UF4 and I know it's different strokes for different folks, but the fact that the two conficting stories' differences are so huge, makes this movie have to be put into a sink or swim position. I personally think they've chosen the sink position by choosing the mutation option. It does indeed make him a bigger powerhouse as far as believability goes, but the fact that they saw it as the best choice to go with rather than to, make Doom rely on his mind and his self deluded honor as the meglomaniac he is serving as his powers alone puts them out to be criticized and rightfully so.

So Ben has to make the choice to give up his cured state in order to save his friends huh? Doom being the one capable of curing him would make himself a possible curing... again, wierd. Do you suppose they're trying to change it in favor of setting recourse for Doom purists? Or do you think they're trying to.........what do you think?

[Lightning Strykez!]

I too think they should've left out his origin. They could've successfully done this, that, whatever... Basically, if he ends up cured, then we would all see him use his intellect as his weapon later; and the flaw I see in that is where they could've started there in the first place. The only means to justify this that comes to mind is, damnit, I can't really think of a way to fix this. I just can't get around them honoring UF4 and I know it's different strokes for different folks, but the fact that the two conficting stories' differences are so huge, makes this movie have to be put into a sink or swim position. I personally think they've chosen the sink position by choosing the mutation option. It does indeed make him a bigger powerhouse as far as believability goes, but the fact that they saw it as the best choice to go with rather than to, make Doom rely on his mind and his self deluded honor as the meglomaniac he is serving as his powers alone puts them out to be criticized and rightfully so.

So Ben has to make the choice to give up his cured state in order to save his friends huh? Doom being the one capable of curing him would make himself a possible curing... again, wierd. Do you suppose they're trying to change it in favor of setting recourse for Doom purists? Or do you think they're trying to.........what do you think?

Let's hope they realized they fugged up his character a la Warner Bros did with Catwoman and are reeling back to salvage it. Or they may have some other twists up their sleeve. It could've been handled a myriad of better ways, but it's Hollywood...and it changes its spots for no one.

Also, the only "UFF" flavor that is really present in this film is found in Doom. The FF themselves seem to be taking after the classic versions (they are not getting their powers via a Think Tank exposure, but rather in space via a cosmic storm).

[wobbly]

Regarding the Doom curing Ben deal...From everything I've heard so far I think it may well play out like this:

Reed is working on a cure for them all but falls just short (as he always did in the books) But Doom, whom no-one knows was also affected yet, takes Reeds ideas and is successful in making them work (in the books Doom did cure Ben at one time where Reed had failed).

He offers the cure to Ben (who doesnt know Victor has gone loopy yet) who leaps at the offer and it's only after the process and Bens humanity is restored that Doom reveals his own transformation and true intent (that's pretty much spelled out in that wizard spoiler). It's also clear from that spolier that this Doom is revelling in his new power, he isnt gonna give it up without a fight.

From there Doom will take down the rest of the FF, forcing Ben to to reverse the cure and become the Thing again for the final battle.

Now for that final battle this is more what I hope they have gone for, rather than it being anything I'm in any way sure of:
For whatever reasons simply taking Doom down isn't enough to stop his danger, perhaps his power is growing too much to a level where it could destroy the city or something (there was a mention a while back from the FX guys working on Doom that his power is "his undoing").
The only option for the FF is to use Doom's own cure on him which they try, but Doom himself tries to bugger up the process, causes a big explosion (destroying the device so Reed can't figure out what Doom did to it to make it work and it cant be used again) and once the smoke has cleared Doom appears to have dissapeared.

We find out in the closing scenes that he did survive, was indeed restored to human, but his face got torn apart in the process (and at least by the end we have a Doom thats closer to the comics). Now powerless, horribly disfigured and a wanted felon, Doom flees the country (as per that mention from our source of Doom being smuggled out of the country in a crate. Apparently on a ship bound for Latveria).

Well thats my best guess, atm:)

[The Navigator]

Let's hope they realized they fugged up his character a la Warner Bros did with Catwoman and are reeling back to salvage it. Or they may have some other twists up their sleeve. It could've been handled a myriad of better ways, but it's Hollywood...and it changes its spots for no one.

Also, the only "UFF" flavor that is really present in this film is found in Doom. The FF themselves seem to be taking after the classic versions (they are not getting their powers via a Think Tank exposure, but rather in space via a cosmic storm).

Hmm....interesting. But yes, we can all hope.

[Head>On<Collider]

Let's hope they realized they fugged up his character a la Warner Bros did with Catwoman and are reeling back to salvage it. Or they may have some other twists up their sleeve. It could've been handled a myriad of better ways, but it's Hollywood...and it changes its spots for no one.

Also, the only "UFF" flavor that is really present in this film is found in Doom. The FF themselves seem to be taking after the classic versions (they are not getting their powers via a Think Tank exposure, but rather in space via a cosmic storm).All I ask for is the main audiences to see the character he always was. There's no reason that they should walk away from the movie saying to themselves, "Damn! What an awesome villain!" just like the same thing happened to me when I became a Doom fan, even though it happened through the comics....... even if they screwed up the first 2/3rds of the film, it's never too late.........but that's IF HOLLYWOOD would only change it's spots for it's supporters. As a realist, I can only do the obvious and look at the obvious. By obvious, I must also include the fact that they went there in the first place.
As for UFF, you're right about them going with the villain as far as that goes. The differences are so big between the two Dooms that they sadly made their own bed came decision time. When they chose to appeal to the Ultimate Doom fans to the extent they did, I'm sure someone would've known the backlash it would cause and it has. They also included the arm candy, trophy wife thing looking like a love triangle to deal with, and the CEO being a means to an end appearing like they're appealing to "the apprentice" fans to deal with, and so forth.

[Head>On<Collider]

Regarding the Doom curing Ben deal...From everything I've heard so far I think it may well play out like this:

Reed is working on a cure for them all but falls just short (as he always did in the books) But Doom, whom no-one knows was also affected yet, takes Reeds ideas and is successful in making them work (in the books Doom did cure Ben at one time where Reed had failed).

He offers the cure to Ben (who doesnt know Victor has gone loopy yet) who leaps at the offer and it's only after the process and Bens humanity is restored that Doom reveals his own transformation and true intent (that's pretty much spelled out in that wizard spoiler). It's also clear from that spolier that this Doom is revelling in his new power, he isnt gonna give it up without a fight.

From there Doom will take down the rest of the FF, forcing Ben to to reverse the cure and become the Thing again for the final battle.

Now for that final battle this is more what I hope they have gone for, rather than it being anything I'm in any way sure of:
For whatever reasons simply taking Doom down isn't enough to stop his danger, perhaps his power is growing too much to a level where it could destroy the city or something (there was a mention a while back from the FX guys working on Doom that his power is "his undoing").
The only option for the FF is to use Doom's own cure on him which they try, but Doom himself tries to bugger up the process, causes a big explosion (destroying the device so Reed can't figure out what Doom did to it to make it work and it cant be used again) and once the smoke has cleared Doom appears to have dissapeared.

We find out in the closing scenes that he did survive, was indeed restored to human, but his face got torn apart in the process (and at least by the end we have a Doom thats closer to the comics). Now powerless, horribly disfigured and a wanted felon, Doom flees the country (as per that mention from our source of Doom being smuggled out of the country in a crate. Apparently on a ship bound for Latveria).

Well thats my best guess, atm:)What's confusing about this is that it doesn't tell whether Doom wants the power or not. Is he not giving it up without a fight from himself? Please explain.

[wobbly]

What's confusing about this is that it doesn't tell whether Doom wants the power or not. Is he not giving it up without a fight from himself? Please explain.

The quote from the spoiler where Doom has cured Ben and then reveals his own transformation to a stunned Ben has Doom saying: "This is what a man looks like who embraces his destiny".

Seems clear to me that at least by that stage of the movie Doom does want his power and has no intention of using the cure on himself. The cure he devises seems to be intended only for use on the FF, the only people he possibly perceives as being powerful enough to stop him in his ultimate goal (whatever that may be).

[wobbly]

This is the Wizard stuff I was on about:

"No one challenges Doom.

Never one to be trifled with, Doctor Doom has truly earned his infamy as one of the great comic book villains of all time.

That’s why Doom was the natural choice to square off against the Fantastic Four in this summer’s movie blockbuster “Fantastic Four” from 20th Century Fox, hitting theaters on July 8.

And Wizard was willing to risk earning Doom’s wrath by infiltrating the Vancouver set of “Fantastic Four” to bring back the inside story on the look, the back story and the personality of the character that actor Julian McMahon will bring to life—complete with that special dash of darkness that will make the good doctor so bad.

For your first—and most comprehensive—in-depth look at Doctor Doom, pick up Wizard’s Mega Movie Issue, hitting comic stores March 9. The special 13th issue of Wizard—a regular issue for all you completists—marks a historical first for Wizard Entertainment, packed with over 150 pages of comic movie coverage.

Though he opens the movie as a handsome billionaire industrialist, the disfigured psychopath comic fans know so well comes to life with an ill-fated voyage into space by Victor Von Doom.

That is when we get to see Dr. Doom’s frightening presence. Wrap a ruthless madman in a cloak and a mask and you’ve got something wet-your-shorts scary. Think Darth Vader times two.

“It’s an interesting concept, a man of that kind of status being stripped and burned,” McMahon said. “This guy has billions of dollars, power and the ability to do whatever he wants, and we get to see the dismantling of that man. You see what happens to him psychologically, which affects what happens to him physically, and how he deals with the Fantastic Four.”

That includes a classic confrontation between Dr. Doom and the Thing, when the not-so-good doctor looks to defeat Ben Grimm by giving him exactly what he wants.

“All he wants is to be himself again, to be free of the Thing,” said actor Michael Chiklis, who dons the foam rubber to play the Thing. “And he is in this scene, at last, but he quickly realizes he’s been duped, and the reason Victor’s been so helpful is to get rid of one of the four of us—the one that could give him a lot of physical problems in terms of his strength.”

Victor shocks Ben with is own transformation, and we start to see the very bad man we came for.

“Take a good look, Ben,” Doom tells the all-too-human hero. “This is what a man looks like who embraces his destiny.”

Then Von Doom backhands Grimm, sending him crashing into a computer bank."

[Head>On<Collider]

"No one challenges Doom.

Never one to be trifled with, Doctor Doom has truly earned his infamy as one of the great comic book villains of all time.

That’s why Doom was the natural choice to square off against the Fantastic Four in this summer’s movie blockbuster “Fantastic Four” from 20th Century Fox, hitting theaters on July 8.

And Wizard was willing to risk earning Doom’s wrath by infiltrating the Vancouver set of “Fantastic Four” to bring back the inside story on the look, the back story and the personality of the character that actor Julian McMahon will bring to life—complete with that special dash of darkness that will make the good doctor so bad.

For your first—and most comprehensive—in-depth look at Doctor Doom, pick up Wizard’s Mega Movie Issue, hitting comic stores March 9. The special 13th issue of Wizard—a regular issue for all you completists—marks a historical first for Wizard Entertainment, packed with over 150 pages of comic movie coverage.

Though he opens the movie as a handsome billionaire industrialist, the disfigured psychopath comic fans know so well comes to life with an ill-fated voyage into space by Victor Von Doom.

That is when we get to see Dr. Doom’s frightening presence. Wrap a ruthless madman in a cloak and a mask and you’ve got something wet-your-shorts scary. Think Darth Vader times two.

“It’s an interesting concept, a man of that kind of status being stripped and burned,” McMahon said. “This guy has billions of dollars, power and the ability to do whatever he wants, and we get to see the dismantling of that man. You see what happens to him psychologically, which affects what happens to him physically, and how he deals with the Fantastic Four.”

That includes a classic confrontation between Dr. Doom and the Thing, when the not-so-good doctor looks to defeat Ben Grimm by giving him exactly what he wants.

“All he wants is to be himself again, to be free of the Thing,” said actor Michael Chiklis, who dons the foam rubber to play the Thing. “And he is in this scene, at last, but he quickly realizes he’s been duped, and the reason Victor’s been so helpful is to get rid of one of the four of us—the one that could give him a lot of physical problems in terms of his strength.”

Victor shocks Ben with is own transformation, and we start to see the very bad man we came for.

“Take a good look, Ben,” Doom tells the all-too-human hero. “This is what a man looks like who embraces his destiny.”

Then Von Doom backhands Grimm, sending him crashing into a computer bank."

"Ill fated"....... they're embracing as well as advertizing his "ill-fated voyage" that causes his transformation as though it's the highlight of attributes of his villainy. It's Hollowman meets The Apprentice. I think we're stuck with oraganic metal Doom for a while folks.

[Slackerpower]

Doom is a Bad Ass Dicatator who takes crap from no one......Thats how it should be T

[Herr Logan]

Good to see that we're all still alive. Herr Logan must've really pissed someone off.

Who? Little ol' me? Since when do I ever do anything but bring sunshine and smiles to all who read my posts? :o

:wolverine

[wobbly]

"Ill fated"....... they're embracing as well as advertizing his "ill-fated voyage" that causes his transformation as though it's the highlight of attributes of his villainy. It's Hollowman meets The Apprentice. I think we're stuck with oraganic metal Doom for a while folks.

Possible, but the existence of a cure in the movie, and that mention by the fx guys a while back that his power is his undoing (or his 'downfall', I can't remember for sure) does have me thinking they may well be having those powers stripped from him by the end.
I certainly hope so too, though Doom has sought out and acquired great powers in the comics (he successfully stole the Silver Surfer's and Beyonder's power for a time) that power was a means to an end within those stories and gone by the end of them, it was never what defines him or makes him such a dangerous threat to begin with.

[Herr Logan]

Weird. And creepy.

Who was this "other you?"

Something cooked up in a lab by an envious and insane villain. Luckily, not only did the mods kill the vile thing, it degenerated at the cellular level, just like flawed clones are wont to do. :wolverine

[Herr Logan]

So Herr....

Does this mean the battle between us never came to a peaceful compromise??

;)

This means that our faithful readers will have a rematch to look forward to. ;)

I can already see the tagline on the cover of a future "the Irascible Herr Logan" issue: "Where Lightin Strikez..." :wolverine

[Herr Logan]

I wondered this weakend......Does anyone think there'd be a chance in the movie that Reed Richards would come up with the cure only to have Doom hijack it and see to it he alone gets cured, and then only wears the mask afterward to hide the one scar that reminds him of his once mutated condition, the one scar that would remind him of himself? At least this way, he's being the kind of manipulative, self important ruler he could be, plus brilliant enough to keep Reed and the others from healing; furthermore making this whole metal mutation nonsense only one out of many obstacles for Victor Von Doom. . I'm sorry, but I'm just trying to work with what's been done already and I don't see any route to recourse here with what's been done. I need some of your guy's help on this! :(

I could live with that, but only if Doom was a robotics expert and had a solid plan in the works to take control of Latveria while this other stuff was going on. And if they got rid of the love triangle. :wolverine

[Herr Logan]

Doom is a Bad Ass Dicatator who takes crap from no one......Thats how it should be T

Welcome to the Hype, bub. :wolverine

[Head>On<Collider]

I could live with that, but only if Doom was a robotics expert and had a solid plan in the works to take control of Latveria while this other stuff was going on. And if they got rid of the love triangle. :wolverineNow being a realist, does it look likely?

[Herr Logan]

Now being a realist, does it look likely?

Not in the least. :(

:wolverine

[Lightning Strykez!]

This means that our faithful readers will have a rematch to look forward to. ;)

I can already see the tagline on the cover of a future "the Irascible Herr Logan" issue: "Where Lightin Strikez..." :wolverine


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

"To Be Continued"







:up: :p

[Herr Logan]

Your :rolleyes:'s hurt my feelings, Lightnin. :(
Which is better: "When Lightnin Strikez" or "Where Lightnin Strikez"? I can't decide. :wolverine

[Lightning Strykez!]

Your :rolleyes:'s hurt my feelings, Lightnin. :(
Which is better: "When Lightnin Strikez" or "Where Lightnin Strikez"? I can't decide. :wolverine

Aww...so sorry. :rolleyes:

"When" is better...as in: "Do you know what happens to a ___________ when it's struck by Lightnin'?


:D Pretty corny huh? :up:

[Herr Logan]

Aww...so sorry. :rolleyes:

"When" is better...as in: "Do you know what happens to a ___________ when it's struck by Lightnin'?


:D Pretty corny huh? :up:

Corny as hell. :up:
Corny enough to be printed on the cover of a Stan Lee classic comic, which is the best kind of corny. :)

:wolverine

[Franklin Richards]

Nothing wrong with a little "cheese"


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/ffkickme.jpg


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:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Night]

That brings something up Franklin...... basically all of the Marvel Movies made so far have that corny cheesey comic humor and look sometimes!!! But I like it that way... Yeah Storm's line was beyond stupid and I hate Halle Berry! But with other corny stuff like all the lines in Punisher had that corny comic book Humor! It worked though, for me at least. Hulk used that weird editing! I mean all of these movies are made from Comics and share a lot of the comics! I like it that way, until it gets a little too dumb... But because it has that comic book feel it gives us more of a fantasy world that we can enjoy. Like Thing smashing Johnny's car and throwing it across the screen! Where else do we see that, it's awesome!

[Killgore]

:up:

[lockjaw]

FYI-

The cover to the new (#4) Byrne Visionaries . . .
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v717/olfatback/estherspics001.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/v717/olfatback/?)

[AmerikazMostWanted]

make it bigger Loc

[Iron Maiden]

Thanks for reminding me with that image, Lockjaw. I have to get myself the new John Byrne FF Visionaries. It sure beats pulling stuff out of those storage bags.

The cover is from one of his best storylines. Unbeknownst to the others, Reed has been whisked away to stand trial in an intergalactic court while the rest of the FF have to contend with the Cosmically empowered Terrax working in as an ally of Doom's (but not for long. ..heh...heh.)

I hope the confrontation we have seen between Sue and Victor in the teaser trailer is as well done as this....


http://img221.exs.cx/img221/8372/ff259cvr5kh.jpg


http://img221.exs.cx/img221/7738/ff257a5yi.jpg

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[Kelly]

OK....before I post this HQ...is there an HQ on her of Doom in the Green Cloak????

[lockjaw]

?????????????????? whats that AF?

[Kelly]

I didn't know if an HQ of this pic had been posted...I knew a smaller version of it had been posted alot...

http://img216.exs.cx/img216/8518/f4pics0034zt8rz.jpg

[bweurk]

an idea for a doctor doom movie poster

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/benuel_chavez/fantastic4/doomed.jpg

[TheSaintofKillers]

Now, THAT'S awesome!!!

(is it from you, Bweurk ?)

[bweurk]

yes, but it is not a drawing.... i took a picture of a Napoleon statue, and i photoshopped it to make Doom on a horse... then i added the moon, the clouds, ad i tricked the lights and the colors

[bweurk]

now that is a drawing

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/benuel_chavez/fantastic4/doomed2.jpg

[lockjaw]

. . .re: your Doom images, they are great. Really good man. I typed a blabbery reveiw and lost it prior to "send", but you should be proud of yourself!!!

[Pookie Begins]

now that is a drawing

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/benuel_chavez/fantastic4/doomed2.jpgThat is BEYOND F-ing Words.....

[TheSaintofKillers]

That is so Doom. :eek:

Here's hoping there's a shot of Doom in the dark in the movie! :cool:

[Pookie Begins]

That is so Doom. :eek:

Here's hoping there's a shot of Doom in the dark in the movie! :cool:I sure as hell hope so, that art work is out of this world.

[bweurk]

That is BEYOND F-ing Words.....

thanks

[bweurk]

That is so Doom. :eek:

Here's hoping there's a shot of Doom in the dark in the movie! :cool:

thanks

[Herr Logan]

yes, but it is not a drawing.... i took a picture of a Napoleon statue, and i photoshopped it to make Doom on a horse... then i added the moon, the clouds, ad i tricked the lights and the colors

That would explain why Dr. Doom has a freakishly huge horse under him. Let's face it, if that was really Dr. Doom, you could not find a horse that was that big in relation to him without genetically engineering one (which Doom could certainly do, no doubt), and I doubt that among natural-born horses you could find one that could carry Doom's weight for an extended period of time, much less run. That armor's no joke.

Cool picture, though. :wolverine

[bweurk]

that's right....... i wanted to make a picture of doom in a napoleonesque pose.... but i completely forgot about napoleon's size....

bah, let's say Doom is as small as Napoleon was

[bweurk]

2nd version

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/benuel_chavez/fantastic4/doomed3.jpg

[X-Men_in]

[IMG]http://www.moviesonline.ca/movie-gallery/albums/userpics//FantasticFour05020503.jpg[IMG]

There's Doom!!!

[X-Men_in]

http://www.moviesonline.ca/movie-gallery/albums/userpics//FantasticFour05020503.jpg

Wait.....now I got it!

[X-Men_in]

Sha-Sha! All hail...Dr. Doom!

[Iron Maiden]

that's right....... i wanted to make a picture of doom in a napoleonesque pose.... but i completely forgot about napoleon's size....

bah, let's say Doom is as small as Napoleon was


That mask image is soooo awesome, I may use in on another boards banner if you don't mind.

BTW, if you want to really get an awesome image of Doom on horseback, you should use Frank Frazetta's famous Death Dealer image. As Herr Logan says, there is a special breed of horses that the knights would ride because they had the strength to support their weight. Of course during the Crusades, they got outrun by the Arabian stallions (ancestors of today's race horses) on the desert sands. End of history lesson. :)


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[Kelly]

And they are now breeding Arabians for larger stature and ability to carry and pull heavier loads....it is a polish breed....and if used in battle today as a calvary weapon it would be unbeatable as far as horses go....

[Mister Sinister]

2nd version

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/benuel_chavez/fantastic4/doomed3.jpg
[Bill and Ted]Woah...[/Bill and Ted]

[Killgore]

Hey, for all of you Doomsayers, Story tosses fans a bone in the new Starlog. Apparently, Doom's Latverian and gypsy roots are touched on and will factor in more heavily in a sequel. Check it out.

[Herr Logan]

Hey, for all of you Doomsayers, Story tosses fans a bone in the new Starlog. Apparently, Doom's Latverian and gypsy roots are touched on and will factor in more heavily in a sequel. Check it out.

A bone? Yay, I love bones! maybe after I gnaw on that bone for a while, Master will take me to the park for a walk! :hyper:

I really love it when I see and hear statements like "... and there's a little something for the fans, too." It really gives me confidence that these people are concentrating on the actual characters and not some watered-down, teen-candy versions that tested well with focus groups. :up:

:wolverine

[wobbly]

that's right....... i wanted to make a picture of doom in a napoleonesque pose.... but i completely forgot about napoleon's size....

bah, let's say Doom is as small as Napoleon was

Well...it could be a variant of a 'Shire' Horse. Those nags are bloody huge and could handle Doom's weight too :)

[Herr Logan]

Well...it could be a variant of a 'Shire' Horse. Those nags are bloody huge and could handle Doom's weight too :)

Aren't those horses regular sized, but they look big because Hobbits are so damn tiny? :wolverine

[Everyman]

"Originally Posted by Killgore
Hey, for all of you Doomsayers, Story tosses fans a bone in the new Starlog. Apparently, Doom's Latverian and gypsy roots are touched on and will factor in more heavily in a sequel. Check it out."

But he will still be introduced as a greedy businessman with a crush on Sue Storm... So what if there is a hint as his origins and political ambitions? The character will be introduced in a wrong light...

[JulianM.Fan]

Oh gosh get over it already. We don't know squat until we see the film. Not everything is set in stone. Hello reshoots and the whole Sue thing probably won't be that bad. People try to make any changes so bad just to have something to complain about.

[Herr Logan]

Oh gosh get over it already. We don't know squat until we see the film. Not everything is set in stone. Hello reshoots and the whole Sue thing probably won't be that bad. People try to make any changes so bad just to have something to complain about.

I'm having some trouble reading that last sentence, so if you'd be so kind as to just sprinkle some sense on that, I'll owe you a soda or an assassination, whichever you need more urgently. :wolverine

[Everyman]

Oh gosh get over it already. We don't know squat until we see the film. Not everything is set in stone. Hello reshoots and the whole Sue thing probably won't be that bad. People try to make any changes so bad just to have something to complain about.

The changes brought to the character of Doctor Doom are pretty official. I am not a big fan of the FF to begin with, so I am not complaining about the changes because they are changes, but because they are bad changes, they are clichés and would be poor elements in any movie. I mean, a romantic rivalry between the good and the bad guy? Couldn't they come up with something original?

[seymour]

The changes brought to the character of Doctor Doom are pretty official. I am not a big fan of the FF to begin with, so I am not complaining about the changes because they are changes, but because they are bad changes, they are clichés and would be poor elements in any movie. I mean, a romantic rivalry between the good and the bad guy? Couldn't they come up with something original?

I have been lurking here a while but never posted so please be nice. :) :) I am not a comic expert and would not dream of arguing with the experts on that score but I can't resist answering this one.

While a romantic triangle may be 'old hat' in movies it is also the basic law of the herd. Males fight it out for the right to females and the winner not only gets the girl but gets to be alpha male and all the power and status that goes with it.

So introducing to male 'leaders' fighting over the girl is not about the romance, it is about who is the alpha male and that, from what I have read here, is a cliff notes version of all that has gone on between Read and Doom. Who is the alpha guy. And this may be more easy for non comic fans to deal with.


So getting the girl isn't about romance its about Reed winning the head butting competition.

[Everyman]

I don't consider myself a comic expert either (well, not a FF expert anyway). And anyway, I don't buy this "alpha male" argument. For many reasons. 1)There are other sort of dramatic rivalries in fiction than romantic ones, and the intellectual rivalry Doom and Richards had in the comics was more interesting, since their rivalry was disinterested (not to mention that using intellectual rivalry is more true to the character). 2)Making one romantic story in a movie is already difficult...a romantic triangle is even more, without making it contrived and cliché. I am not saying it is impossible to do, I am saying it is difficult. And from what I know of the script, they just used every cliché in the book. 3)Romantic rivalry can be good if it brings something to the character or the story. A big chunk of medieval literature was written after the Arthur-Gueneveer-Lancelot love triangle or the Mark-Isolt-Tristan love triangle. But neither Richards nor Doom were written as romantic rivals, as I said before. It doesn't bring anything in the story, and certainly nothing for the characters. They should fight for principles, not love interests.

[Vartha]

2nd version

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/benuel_chavez/fantastic4/doomed3.jpg
THIS IS JUST *****ING AWESUM! DUDE if you aren't doing this professionally, you should be man! Bweurk You Rock!

[Weadazoid]

That isn't a drawing that is a work of Art!

Question why does the Movies version of Doom, make him look like he has green armor?

[Ulic Queldroma]

WOAH! That is amazing! I thought it was a new pic of movie doom! AWESOME! You should be doing this professionally. Definitely!

[Cypher]

Great Doom Pic Bweurk! :up:

[bweurk]

WOAH! That is amazing! I thought it was a new pic of movie doom! AWESOME! You should be doing this professionally. Definitely!

sometimes i like to create my own design, sometimes i like to follow an existing one.... that is why i made the movie doom.... the comic design is not precise enough to make a challenge in the drawing

[The Batman]

He's no longer ruler, he dosent really seem like much of a genius, and he fires electricity instead of using magic.

I dunno...it seems like in this flick he's taking stuff from silver age lex luthor.

[AmerikazMostWanted]

You can go to

I am Boom Discuss me thread to talk about this silly

[The Batman]

I'm sorry...i dont frequent here much.

I'd also like to point out that if i sound like a troll, i apologize. i'm anticipatng this movie, and even like Alba as Sue Storm

[Kelly]

I'm sorry...i dont frequent here much.

I'd also like to point out that if i sound like a troll, i apologize. i'm anticipatng this movie, and even like Alba as Sue Storm

No one is calling you a troll...but yes this would have fit fine in the I Am Doom thread....but thats ok....sometimes its alot to read on the boards....

[AmerikazMostWanted]

well i dont know how you sound like a troll cause your typin but a troll has a raspy voice and lives under bridges im sure you dont sound like a troll because trolls hate billygoats am im sure you like them

[Lightning Strykez!]

"I Am Doom: Discuss Me" (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139975)

Each main character of this film has a major discussion thread in place. For Victor, we congregate at the link above. You might want to check it out and express your concerns there...many of us share them.

[The Demon]

Well...his mask looks bad-ass....

[The Batman]

Yes, it does. His outfits pretty cool.

And i gotta say, this place is pretty organized

[Herr Logan]

He's no longer ruler, he dosent really seem like much of a genius, and he fires electricity instead of using magic.

I dunno...it seems like in this flick he's taking stuff from silver age lex luthor.

I, for one, am very happy to see this thread. :)

No, it sure as hell isn't just you. There are several of us that are quite displeased with what they've reduced Dr. Doom to in the movie.

:wolverine

[Boom]

You can go to

I am Boom Discuss me thread to talk about this silly
There's a thread dedicated to me :eek:?



;)

[The Batman]

I, for one, am very happy to see this thread. :)

No, it sure as hell isn't just you. There are several of us that are quite displeased with what they've reduced Dr. Doom to in the movie.

:wolverine


I will give him credit. It seems a scene in the movie has Doom building some device for Ben so he can be human, so at least he has some of his smarts.

[Kelly]

There's a thread dedicated to me :eek:?



;)


LMAO....YEAH.....DID YA MISS IT.....

[AmerikazMostWanted]

hahaha made a mistake .....sorry :(

[Kelly]

I, for one, am very happy to see this thread. :)

No, it sure as hell isn't just you. There are several of us that are quite displeased with what they've reduced Dr. Doom to in the movie.

:wolverine


Ummmmm Herr where have ya been buddy.....theres a whole thread about this .... and uhhhh ... you spend most of your time in it......did ya miss it????;)

[Herr Logan]

Ummmmm Herr where have ya been buddy.....theres a whole thread about this .... and uhhhh ... you spend most of your time in it......did ya miss it????;)

Most of my time?
As with everyone else-- including The Batman, whom I normally can't stand-- I respect you when you're accurate and/or witty. You've shown a great propensity for both. And then there's now.

Let me express my sincerest apologies for responding with approval instead of the predictable, redundant and superfluous "There's a thread on this already!" What was I supposed to do, post my response to The Batman in the other Doom thread and just wait for him to show up and weigh in?

:wolverine

[Lightning Strykez!]

I, for one, am very happy to see this thread. :)

No, it sure as hell isn't just you. There are several of us that are quite displeased with what they've reduced Dr. Doom to in the movie.

:wolverine

Actually, it's a lot more than several! If I may be so bold, it's the number 1 gripe fans have with this film from what I have seen on various sites. It's always "They've got the FF right, but they've screwed up Doom."

So yes, it is a major concern for many fans.

[Head>On<Collider]

Damn! And to think I was about to invite all the AICN people over here to talk some sense into you all.......... ;)

[Kelly]

Most of my time?
As with everyone else-- including The Batman, whom I normally can't stand-- I respect you when you're accurate and/or witty. You've shown a great propensity for both. And then there's now.

Let me express my sincerest apologies for responding with approval instead of the predictable, redundant and superfluous "There's a thread on this already!" What was I supposed to do, post my response to The Batman in the other Doom thread and just wait for him to show up and weigh in?

:wolverine

Herr, come on....I was just messin with ya....I meant absolutely nothing by my comment....I apologize if you took it the wrong way....nothing was meant by it AT ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.....it went right along with my comment to Boom....thats all.....;)

[Kelly]

Damn! And to think I was about to invite all the AICN people over here to talk some sense into you all.......... ;)


WHAT????????!!!!!!!!!! ;)

[Kmack]

Doom is my biggest concern as well....that is one character in the FF that they should not have changed AT ALL:doom:

[Head>On<Collider]

Doom is my biggest concern as well....that is one character in the FF that they should not have changed AT ALL:doom::D :up: I for one am proud of you .....

[Kmack]

Well...his mask looks bad-ass....
I agree:up: Hopefully Doom turns out to be as great a character as he is in the comics.....

[Lightning Strykez!]

Damn! And to think I was about to invite all the AICN people over here to talk some sense into you all.......... ;)

Actually, it's the vast majority of the AICN folk that don't have any sense themselves. They couldn't keep up with the fans in this forum. We come here to talk about REAL and DEEP issues regarding the FF and Doom...not to impress others with our snobby "critic's tongue". Many of those cats don't know a damn thing about the FF, but they like to perp and hear themselves "talk" as if they do.

:rolleyes:

[Herr Logan]

Herr, come on....I was just messin with ya....I meant absolutely nothing by my comment....I apologize if you took it the wrong way....nothing was meant by it AT ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.....it went right along with my comment to Boom....thats all.....;)

Humor.... I see. A means to a comical end. Most impressive.

;)

If I'm extra-testy today, it's probably because I'm sick with a throat that feels like Dr. Doom's face after he put his iron mask on prematurely. I can't eat anything besides cough drops, and even if I don't eat, I still have to swallow, or I'll drown. :(

:wolverine

[Saph]

That isn't a drawing that is a work of Art!

Question why does the Movies version of Doom, make him look like he has green armor?

What do you mean?

[Kmack]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/benuel_chavez/fantastic4/doomed3.jpg
Now this, is Doom:cool::up:

[Saph]

[IMG]
Now this, is Doom:cool::up:

Yup. Just like the mask in the movie. :)

[Endeavor]

I've been reading some of the recent posts/arguments and have a couple of questions (I've been away from the boards and the rumor mill for a long time):
I know about some of the changes that they have done to Doom: he is a businessman in the movie, fine, but is he still a scientific genius? Will he be a match for Reed when it comes to intellect? Has there been any information leaks that would give us an insight into this or are we still in the dark about those specifics?
:doom: :xmen: :cyclops:

[Kelly]

Humor.... I see. A means to a comical end. Most impressive.

;)

If I'm extra-testy today, it's probably because I'm sick with a throat that feels like Dr. Doom's face after he put his iron mask on prematurely. I can't eat anything besides cough drops, and even if I don't eat, I still have to swallow, or I'll drown. :(

:wolverine

Awwww I'm sorry Herr....but really I didn't mean anything by it at all.....I promise.....

[Killgore]

He's no longer ruler, he dosent really seem like much of a genius, and he fires electricity instead of using magic.

I dunno...it seems like in this flick he's taking stuff from silver age lex luthor.
From where are you getting your vast supply of information? In the scrips I've read he's a bonified genius. And in the latest draft, his Latverian roots are included. As for being a dictator, we'll have to wait until July 8th to see, but I am confident that if he isn't in this movie he will be by the next. The only thing to go is the magic, which has little to do with his "bad assedness".

[Herr Logan]

Awwww I'm sorry Herr....but really I didn't mean anything by it at all.....I promise.....

That doesn't make my throat stop burning, does it?. :mad:

;) It's all good.

:wolverine

[JulianM.Fan]

This is going to be like Xmen and Spiderman they can't include everything about Doom in the length of two hours or whatever. I am sure that it will be included in the sequel. Doom may be a huge part of FF but he is not one of the main four thus he'll get less screen time and less revealing things about him because they'll be focusing more on the main four. The origins, the feelings, the adjustment and then finally the action. Give the movie a chance and stop opening a new thread each week about how Doom is not standing up to your measures *rolls eyes*

[Head>On<Collider]

This is going to be like Xmen and Spiderman they can't include everything about Doom in the length of two hours or whatever. I am sure that it will be included in the sequel. Doom may be a huge part of FF but he is not one of the main four thus he'll get less screen time and less revealing things about him because they'll be focusing more on the main four. The origins, the feelings, the adjustment and then finally the action. Give the movie a chance and stop opening a new thread each week about how Doom is not standing up to your measures *rolls eyes*
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[wobbly]

I've been reading some of the recent posts/arguments and have a couple of questions (I've been away from the boards and the rumor mill for a long time):
I know about some of the changes that they have done to Doom: he is a businessman in the movie, fine, but is he still a scientific genius? Will he be a match for Reed when it comes to intellect? Has there been any information leaks that would give us an insight into this or are we still in the dark about those specifics?
:doom: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/xmenx.gif http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/cyclops.gif

Well...in the film he apparently does build a transformation chamber that cures Ben, so he can't be that much of a slouch in the smarts department. A match for Reed though, as he should be?...Can't say for sure, but the spoiler does suggest he oughta be close.

[TheSaintofKillers]

From where are you getting your vast supply of information? In the scrips I've read he's a bonified genius. And in the latest draft, his Latverian roots are included. As for being a dictator, we'll have to wait until July 8th to see, but I am confident that if he isn't in this movie he will be by the next. The only thing to go is the magic, which has little to do with his "bad assedness".

Aren't you forgetting a tiny little thing, which is the armor ? (You know, one of the BIGGEST attribute of the character since the very first comic he was introduced in ?). ;)

[homestarrunner]

well in the new issue of wizard with all the movie stuff the costume designer says that fox thought the look of doom was too " archaic" and needed to be updated.. im not sure i fi agree wit hthem or not .i tihnk they could have gotten away with the way he was then again this 2005. .

[homestarrunner]

on an also side note, doom doesn't look meanacing enough with out his huge armor.. i still hope he comes off on screen and a real threat

[Herr Logan]

well in the new issue of wizard with all the movie stuff the costume designer says that fox thought the look of doom was too " archaic" and needed to be updated.. im not sure i fi agree wit hthem or not .i tihnk they could have gotten away with the way he was then again this 2005. .

Archaic? Yeah, that's the point.

The statement that it "needed to be updated" will never be valid, especially if the justification is that Doom's look is "too archaic." :wolverine

[Will]

Archaic? Yeah, that's the point.

The statement that it "needed to be updated" will never be valid, especially if the justification is that Doom's look is "too archaic." :wolverine
Yeah the movie version of Doom actually looks more archaic and all over the place than the comic one.

I actually have a design solution to the lower half of Dr. Doom with the movie top half design but I doubt anyone would want to see it.

[Killgore]

Yeah the movie version of Doom actually looks more archaic and all over the place than the comic one.

I actually have a design solution to the lower half of Dr. Doom with the movie top half design but I doubt anyone would want to see it.

Post it.

[GoblinScrier]

With Doom's tacky lower half of his body sticking out like a sore thumb, didn't Julian McMahon say recently that he gets "tank like" armor by the end so wouldn't that mean that he will get rid of these tacky pants and his shoes and trade in for some cool armor that will look like Dr. Doom ! Besides, hasn't it been confirmed we haven't see the final "version" of Doom anyway ? I am going to remain optimistic, something that has been lost around here but hopefully will be found by the majority of us soon enough !

Long live :doom: and may he return to glory soon !

[wetgorilla]

From the photographs I have seen of the movie Doom, Most of the physical intimidation has been lost. He looks thin and in retreat. What I mean, the movie Doom looks as though his intent is to hide beneath his cloak. Something the real Doom would never have done. Or worse, conceal himself like the Elephant Man.

This is just one fundamental flaw in how the movie Doom has been written. Doom is being dismembered by the individuals who have been commissioned to bring him to life. This approach to character development (especially after reading the comment given by the costume director) displays a lack of research and creative wrecklessness.

Wetgorilla
:wolverine

[Iron Maiden]

Funny how these Doom threads keep popping up like dandelions on a springtime lawn.

Going by the cast listing, Julian McMahon is the fifth billed. Using the past history of supervillains translated to the screen, his screen time will most likely be less than the rest of the cast. Yet more than a few fans cite this as their biggest concern.

I am starting to wonder about the nebulous "creative differences" explanation given for Peyton Reed's departure as director. If memory serves, Peyton Reed wanted to place the film in the same time period as when the comics first came out - the 1960's. In this context, I think movie Doom would have ended up being been very close to the comics version. The highly eccentric view of Tim Burton's Gotham City comes to mind - - there is just no city like this in the real world. It seems to exist in a constant state of twilight and I can't recall very many scenes done in dazzzling daylight. It gave Batman a sort of self-contained universe where it didn't seem so strange to have the Joker and other assorted weirdos on the loose.

If the FF movie was done in this manner, I think the credibility factor for "old school" Doom would have been a slam dunk. Instead of trying to comtemporize Doom you would create the environment in which he exists - a fantasy version of our Earth known as the Marvel Universe. In this universe, there is a forboding building known as the Latverian embassy in New York, Doctor Strange has a townhouse on Blecker Street in Greenwich village and a SHIELD helicarrier patrols the skies.

Instead, they chose to fit Doom into something closer to our reality. Absolute monarch translates into industrialist/billionaire and his medieval - themed armor looks like Calvin Klein or some other design house. I suppose we should consider ourselves lucky they didn't try to make Doom an allegory for someone like Osama Bin Laden. We also see Doom's transformation occur much later in life than in the comics. In the film, he has already gone through college with Reed and is an established business baron when they all get exposed to the cosmic radiation. Fox is rolling the dice on this in the hopes that there is enough of Doom from the comics to satisfy the fan base and seems to be making changes in the script to correct this according Simon Kinberg, the last screenwriter to work on the film. By July we will know if they have succeeded. I just wish someone at Fox had the cajones and creativity to make a movie in which a more faithful version of Doom could exist but it's gone too far for that now.

I hope they leave the fate of Doom at the end of the movie open-ended and he becomes a recurring character in the manner of Ian McKellan's Magneto. Let's just hope that we don't have to wait as long as the Supeman franchise has in eradicating Gene Hackman's buffoonish version of Lex Luthor.




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[Endeavor]

Well...in the film he apparently does build a transformation chamber that cures Ben, so he can't be that much of a slouch in the smarts department. A match for Reed though, as he should be?...Can't say for sure, but the spoiler does suggest he oughta be close.


Thank you wobbly

:doom: :xmen: :cyclops:

[Herr Logan]

Funny how these Doom threads keep popping up like dandelions on a springtime lawn.

Going by the cast listing, Julian McMahon is the fifth billed. Using the past history of supervillains translated to the screen, his screen time will most likely be less than the rest of the cast. Yet more than a few fans cite this as their biggest concern.

I am starting to wonder about the nebulous "creative differences" explanation given for Peyton Reed's departure as director. If memory serves, Peyton Reed wanted to place the film in the same time period as when the comics first came out - the 1960's. In this context, I think movie Doom would have ended up being been very close to the comics version. The highly eccentric view of Tim Burton's Gotham City comes to mind - - there is just no city like this in the real world. It seems to exist in a constant state of twilight and I can't recall very many scenes done in dazzzling daylight. It gave Batman a sort of self-contained universe where it didn't seem so strange to have the Joker and other assorted weirdos on the loose.

If the FF movie was done in this manner, I think the credibility factor for "old school" Doom would have been a slam dunk. Instead of trying to comtemporize Doom you would create the environment in which he exists - a fantasy version of our Earth known as the Marvel Universe. In this universe, there is a forboding building known as the Latverian embassy in New York, Doctor Strange has a townhouse on Blecker Street in Greenwich village and a SHIELD helicarrier patrols the skies.

Instead, they chose to fit Doom into something closer to our reality. Absolute monarch translates into industrialist/billionaire and his medieval - themed armor looks like Calvin Klein or some other design house. I suppose we should consider ourselves lucky they didn't try to make Doom an allegory for someone like Osama Bin Laden. We also see Doom's transformation occur much later in life than in the comics. In the film, he has already gone through college with Reed and is an established business baron when they all get exposed to the cosmic radiation. Fox is rolling the dice on this in the hopes that there is enough of Doom from the comics to satisfy the fan base and seems to be making changes in the script to correct this according Simon Kinberg, the last screenwriter to work on the film. By July we will know if they have succeeded. I just wish someone at Fox had the cajones and creativity to make a movie in which a more faithful version of Doom could exist but it's gone too far for that now.

I hope they leave the fate of Doom at the end of the movie open-ended and he becomes a recurring character in the manner of Ian McKellan's Magneto. Let's just hope that we don't have to wait as long as the Supeman franchise has in eradicating Gene Hackman's buffoonish version of Lex Luthor.




http://www.members.aol.com/madamehydra/IM.jpg

*applauds* :up:

:wolverine

[Kelly]

How's your throat HL?????

[Herr Logan]

How's your throat HL?????

It still sucks. I may have strep throat, and I don't even have a regular general physician. I may need antibiotics or something like that. Feh. Thanks for asking, albafan. :wolverine

[Kelly]

It still sucks. I may have strep throat, and I don't even have a regular general physician. I may need antibiotics or something like that. Feh. Thanks for asking, alabafan. :wolverine


Well go to the doctor....don't let that kind of thing go unchecked....look in the mirror....if you see white splotches(sp?) it very well could be Strep Throat.....I know this because my sister had it at least 2 -3 times a year growing up....it can sometimes turn into bigger things.....

[Herr Logan]

Well go to the doctor....don't let that kind of thing go unchecked....look in the mirror....if you see white splotches(sp?) it very well could be Strep Throat.....I know this because my sister had it at least 2 -3 times a year growing up....it can sometimes turn into bigger things.....

White splotches where, exactly? :wolverine

[Kelly]

White splotches where, exactly? :wolverine

back on your throat and sometimes inside the mouth itself....

[Iron Maiden]

Thanks, Herr Logan. It is gratifying to know I have met your high standards.

Also, I'm angling for the next awards show!;)

http://www.members.aol.com/madamehydra/IM.jpg

[Head>On<Collider]

Funny how these Doom threads keep popping up like dandelions on a springtime lawn.

Going by the cast listing, Julian McMahon is the fifth billed. Using the past history of supervillains translated to the screen, his screen time will most likely be less than the rest of the cast. Yet more than a few fans cite this as their biggest concern.

I am starting to wonder about the nebulous "creative differences" explanation given for Peyton Reed's departure as director. If memory serves, Peyton Reed wanted to place the film in the same time period as when the comics first came out - the 1960's. In this context, I think movie Doom would have ended up being been very close to the comics version. The highly eccentric view of Tim Burton's Gotham City comes to mind - - there is just no city like this in the real world. It seems to exist in a constant state of twilight and I can't recall very many scenes done in dazzzling daylight. It gave Batman a sort of self-contained universe where it didn't seem so strange to have the Joker and other assorted weirdos on the loose.

If the FF movie was done in this manner, I think the credibility factor for "old school" Doom would have been a slam dunk. Instead of trying to comtemporize Doom you would create the environment in which he exists - a fantasy version of our Earth known as the Marvel Universe. In this universe, there is a forboding building known as the Latverian embassy in New York, Doctor Strange has a townhouse on Blecker Street in Greenwich village and a SHIELD helicarrier patrols the skies.

Instead, they chose to fit Doom into something closer to our reality. Absolute monarch translates into industrialist/billionaire and his medieval - themed armor looks like Calvin Klein or some other design house. I suppose we should consider ourselves lucky they didn't try to make Doom an allegory for someone like Osama Bin Laden. We also see Doom's transformation occur much later in life than in the comics. In the film, he has already gone through college with Reed and is an established business baron when they all get exposed to the cosmic radiation. Fox is rolling the dice on this in the hopes that there is enough of Doom from the comics to satisfy the fan base and seems to be making changes in the script to correct this according Simon Kinberg, the last screenwriter to work on the film. By July we will know if they have succeeded. I just wish someone at Fox had the cajones and creativity to make a movie in which a more faithful version of Doom could exist but it's gone too far for that now.

I hope they leave the fate of Doom at the end of the movie open-ended and he becomes a recurring character in the manner of Ian McKellan's Magneto. Let's just hope that we don't have to wait as long as the Supeman franchise has in eradicating Gene Hackman's buffoonish version of Lex Luthor.







tHE PREDICTION i MAKE IS THAT THEY'LL IF ANYTHING, HAVE A f4 CAMEO IN THE sILVER sURFER MOVIE AND KEEP dOOM AS THE vADER OF f4. Sorry, damn caps. lock key!

[wetgorilla]

tHE PREDICTION i MAKE IS THAT THEY'LL IF ANYTHING, HAVE A f4 CAMEO IN THE sILVER sURFER MOVIE AND KEEP dOOM AS THE vADER OF f4. Sorry, damn caps. lock key!

Excellent prediction, O9. In fact, word out on the studio lot conerning a future S.S. movie say they're looking for a script. Sooooooo. If anyone out there surfing this forum loves the Surfer, feels comfortable with Final Draft and believes they have a real knack for adaptation - give it a shot!

Everyone is on the starting line with this one. It's not a sure thing because no one has signed aboard but a well recieved script would get that bus rolling.

Wetgorilla
:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

back on your throat and sometimes inside the mouth itself....

Well, I dragged my ass out into the cold, cruel world, boarded the university shuttle bus, went to the health center, and the verdict is that I've got influenza. I'm supposed to take an antibiotic for five days, and that still doesn't guarantee I'll be better by the time the pills are gone. I'll not only continue to miss classes I hate but still need to keep up with, I'm most likely going to miss my criminal justice class on Friday where there will be a guest speaker on the topic of hostage negotiations. Hostage God damn negotiations, and I'm gonna miss it because some uppity virus decided to crash in a place where there are already several diseases with life-time leases. And then there's Spring break next week, which essentially is nothing more than an assurance that I'll have less work to catch up on when I get better than I would if class was in session next week. Wait, no, it was also supposed to be a well-deserved break for my over-worked girlfriend who will now feel obligated (and is actually truly needed) to take care of my diseased carcass for the forseeable future. So much for that. Feh!

Thanks for the concern Albafan. I hope your health is far better than my own. :wolverine

[Herr Logan]

Thanks, Herr Logan. It is gratifying to know I have met your high standards.

Also, I'm angling for the next awards show!;)

http://www.members.aol.com/madamehydra/IM.jpg

Darlin', you always meet my high standards. ;)

:wolverine

[C. Lee]

Sorry to hear about the flu HL.....take your medicine and get lots of rest.

[portland2002]

Hope you feel better, Herr Logan.

[Head>On<Collider]

Well, I dragged my ass out into the cold, cruel world, boarded the university shuttle bus, went to the health center, and the verdict is that I've got influenza. I'm supposed to take an antibiotic for five days, and that still doesn't guarantee I'll be better by the time the pills are gone. I'll not only continue to miss classes I hate but still need to keep up with, I'm most likely going to miss my criminal justice class on Friday where there will be a guest speaker on the topic of hostage negotiations. Hostage God damn negotiations, and I'm gonna miss it because some uppity virus decided to crash in a place where there are already several diseases with life-time leases. And then there's Spring break next week, which essentially is nothing more than an assurance that I'll have less work to catch up on when I get better than I would if class was in session next week. Wait, no, it was also supposed to be a well-deserved break for my over-worked girlfriend who will now feel obligated (and is actually truly needed) to take care of my diseased carcass for the forseeable future. So much for that. Feh!

Thanks for the concern Albafan. I hope your health is far better than my own. :wolverineJust sit it through and face it head on....who knows? Maybe. Just maybe, you'll heal in time for Friday.

[lockjaw]

Well, I dragged my ass out into the cold, cruel world, boarded the university shuttle bus, went to the health center, and the verdict is that I've got influenza. I'm supposed to take an antibiotic for five days, and that still doesn't guarantee I'll be better by the time the pills are gone. I'll not only continue to miss classes I hate but still need to keep up with, I'm most likely going to miss my criminal justice class on Friday where there will be a guest speaker on the topic of hostage negotiations. Hostage God damn negotiations, and I'm gonna miss it because some uppity virus decided to crash in a place where there are already several diseases with life-time leases. And then there's Spring break next week, which essentially is nothing more than an assurance that I'll have less work to catch up on when I get better than I would if class was in session next week. Wait, no, it was also supposed to be a well-deserved break for my over-worked girlfriend who will now feel obligated (and is actually truly needed) to take care of my diseased carcass for the forseeable future. So much for that. Feh!

Thanks for the concern Albafan. I hope your health is far better than my own. :wolverine
:eek:
Dude, you've been sick for awhile now! I'm sure your natural regenitive-healing powers will serve you well this week. I predict a full recovery-off the antibiotics in 24-36 hours.

[Herr Logan]

Thanks, everybody. I appreciate your support. :)

:wolverine

[Lightning Strykez!]

Thanks, everybody. I appreciate your support. :)

:wolverine


Hmmm, and I seem to remember you saying you only had a "few friends" here? Um huh. ;)




:p

[Kelly]

Well, I dragged my ass out into the cold, cruel world, boarded the university shuttle bus, went to the health center, and the verdict is that I've got influenza. I'm supposed to take an antibiotic for five days, and that still doesn't guarantee I'll be better by the time the pills are gone. I'll not only continue to miss classes I hate but still need to keep up with, I'm most likely going to miss my criminal justice class on Friday where there will be a guest speaker on the topic of hostage negotiations. Hostage God damn negotiations, and I'm gonna miss it because some uppity virus decided to crash in a place where there are already several diseases with life-time leases. And then there's Spring break next week, which essentially is nothing more than an assurance that I'll have less work to catch up on when I get better than I would if class was in session next week. Wait, no, it was also supposed to be a well-deserved break for my over-worked girlfriend who will now feel obligated (and is actually truly needed) to take care of my diseased carcass for the forseeable future. So much for that. Feh!

Thanks for the concern Albafan. I hope your health is far better than my own. :wolverine


Well I'm glad you went to the doctor....and take care of yourself...

I remember anytime I was sick my mom would make a care package in a cooler with ice, orange juice, soup, crackers etc....and then she would slide it into my room....and leave it....I'm not very nice when I'm sick....LOL

[homestarrunner]

get well soon herr..

[surfergirl]

get a lot of rest Herr, hope you feel better soon!

[Muze]

you should become a cyborg like me Herr. that way you'll never get sick. :)

[Herr Logan]

Thanks again, everybody.

Lightnin, you know I paid half these people to speak up and threatened the other half, right? Goin' around, doubtin' me...

Well, the other thing besides forcing fluids and popsicles down constantly, Tylenol 24/7 and an expensive antibiotic, the doctor also prescribed TLC. Luckily, my girlfriend is an expert in that, so I don't have to worry about my insurance covering it.

:confused:


:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

you should become a cyborg like me Herr. that way you'll never get sick. :)

I'm sure my crappy insurance plan doesn't cover that. :o

:wolverine

[Cullen]

I'm sure my crappy insurance plan doesn't cover that. :o

:wolverineDon't need insurance. Ask Military Science Division. They'll set you up.

(Wait. S.T.A.C.Y. won't set people with free cybernetics? What kind of top secert organization is that?:) )

[Herr Logan]

Don't need insurance. Ask Military Science Division. They'll set you up.

(Wait. S.T.A.C.Y. won't set people with free cybernetics? What kind of top secert organization is that?:) )

Well, the current policy is that new recruits have their eyes taken out and cybernetic ocular implants put in. It's mandatory. This policy was instituted after you I became an officer, and I suppose I could be "grandfathered" in to receive the implants, but it sounds icky and I haven't decided I want that to happen.
As for other cybernetic parts, we have to perfect our live-skin grafts, because my woman don't cotton to the feel of cold metal or hard plastics in bed. :wolverine

[Cullen]

Well, the current policy is that new recruits have their eyes taken out and cybernetic ocular implants put in. It's mandatory. This policy was instituted after you I became an officer, and I suppose I could be "grandfathered" in to receive the implants, but it sounds icky and I haven't decided I want that to happen.
As for other cybernetic parts, we have to perfect our live-skin grafts, because my woman don't cotton to the feel of cold metal or hard plastics in bed. :wolverineOh, so that was what those screams were. Had me worried there for a moment.

[wetgorilla]

Hi, H.L.

Good to see you up and posting today. But, seeing that you might still need some help getting out from underneath it all - I'm sending Doc Strange over to cast a protection bubble over you. Rest assured, by the might of the Dreaded Dromamamu you'll be up and running by this time tomorrow! ;)

Wetgorilla
:wolverine

[bweurk]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/benuel_chavez/fantastic4/doomed3.jpg
Now this, is Doom:cool::up:

thanks... actually, i am not completely satisfied with myself... but.... thanks

[Herr Logan]

Hi, H.L.

Good to see you up and posting today. But, seeing that you might still need some help getting out from underneath it all - I'm sending Doc Strange over to cast a protection bubble over you. Rest assured, by the might of the Dreaded Dromamamu you'll be up and running by this time tomorrow! ;)

Wetgorilla
:wolverine

Much appreciated, wetgorilla, but why would Doc Strange use the might of the dreaded Dormammu to make me well? Is that like how medical doctors use harmful substances to aid in healing, like poisonous anesthetic, antibiotics and (although this is hardly a life-saving procedure) botox?

Or maybe it's just an expression. Sorry, my human brain components aren't running at full capacity these days. :o

:wolverine

[Saph]

In light of the recent Wzard article, I have reason to believe that Doom has two forms in this movie. Julian describes a different costume for the end of the film that makes him 6'4'' and as big as a tank. Obviously he's not describing the Doom we're seeing.

The wizard article implies that Doom uses that chamber thingy to revert himself back to human form, then realises he likes his mutated self better. So he reverses the process. Maybe he mutated a little bit more when he regained his powers, and resembles Julians description of him being tank-like?

[Kmack]

Seems like this is what Doom will look like in the film.
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/twentieth_century_fox/fantastic_four/julian_mcmahon/drdoom1.jpg

Hopefully the sequel has Doom as the dictator of Laveteria:up:
http://media01.cgchannel.com/images/gallery/215/4/fullimg.Doom.jpg

[Cypher]

Awesome Doom Pic Kmack! :up:

[surfergirl]

great find Kmack.

[Head>On<Collider]

BUMP. Just when you thought it was safe......

[portland2002]

Raise to the front page.

[psycho]

In light of the recent Wzard article, I have reason to believe that Doom has two forms in this movie. Julian describes a different costume for the end of the film that makes him 6'4'' and as big as a tank. Obviously he's not describing the Doom we're seeing.

The wizard article implies that Doom uses that chamber thingy to revert himself back to human form, then realises he likes his mutated self better. So he reverses the process. Maybe he mutated a little bit more when he regained his powers, and resembles Julians description of him being tank-like?
If this is true,then GREAT!!!!http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif althoug I don't mind the way he looks in the pics we've seen so far.

[wetgorilla]

This entire Doom issue is what is going to determine whether this movie blows or flows with true F.F. fans. This movie needs to have a well developed storyline with characters consistent with their printed counterparts. From what we've been discussing on this and other threads, it appears most of this pudding lays with Doom's character and origin. (Ben's appearance, Sue's casting and other issues all come secondary when placed against the Doom issue). So, if Doom is made into a bio-mechanical altered being similar to Colossus with just a petty grudge based on jealousy - this movie will wear a scarlet B on its chest with most long-time F.F. fans.

Sure, there will be those five or six-year-olds out there who won't be able to realize the major earth-shaking crap that is being dished out to them. But, they won't care they're still going to want to rush out to Walmart and buy the action figures. Cha-ching! Oh, well.

Wetgorilla
:wolverine

[Caliber]

Doom should first act like Doom which he appears he will based on what we see in the trailers. The whole look of Doom arguement is just like the gg costume arguement. I'm sure he'll look close to comic Doom but not exactly. It can't be exact because its impossible to please everyone.

[wetgorilla]

Doom should first act like Doom which he appears he will based on what we see in the trailers. The whole look of Doom arguement is just like the gg costume arguement. I'm sure he'll look close to comic Doom but not exactly. It can't be exact because its impossible to please everyone.

The small changes in Doom's appearance isn't an important issue and I'm sure most people here would agree. What is important is Doom's motivations, character and his relationship with the F.F. Something I'm willing to bet has been missed in this upcoming movie altogether.

Wetgorilla
:wolverine

[seymour]

The small changes in Doom's appearance isn't an important issue and I'm sure most people here would agree. What is important is Doom's motivations, character and his relationship with the F.F. Something I'm willing to bet has been missed in this upcoming movie altogether.

Wetgorilla
:wolverine

How much:) :) :)

Have you got a copy of the full script? Can I get a copy?:p :p :p

[wetgorilla]

How much:) :) :)

Have you got a copy of the full script? Can I get a copy?:p :p :p

How about $20 bucks via Paypal??? LOL
:p

[Milkman95]

^$20 bucks? The script isn't worth $1.00........

[wetgorilla]

Hey, doesn't anyone want to talk about Doom anymore?

Let's hear everyone say, "Doom"! Everyone in the house say, "Doom"! Yeah baby!

Wetgorilla
:wolverine

[Saph]

Hey, doesn't anyone want to talk about Doom anymore?

Let's hear everyone say, "Doom"! Everyone in the house say, "Doom"! Yeah baby!

Wetgorilla
:wolverine

No, no-one wants to talk about Doom anymore because the same points are said OVER and OVER.. from both sides. You find something new to talk about Doom, THEN people will start talking again.

[wetgorilla]

No, no-one wants to talk about Doom anymore because the same points are said OVER and OVER.. from both sides. You find something new to talk about Doom, THEN people will start talking again.

Thank you for those words, Mr. Spokesman. You and the large assembly of people you represent have my utmost appreciation for your attention on this matter.

Wetgorilla
:wolverine

[Head>On<Collider]

July 8th, DOOM dies. It was a few years in the making...........

[Head>On<Collider]

No, no-one wants to talk about Doom anymore because the same points are said OVER and OVER.. from both sides. You find something new to talk about Doom, THEN people will start talking again.There's nothing left to say except, they ruined him. I do imagine how long people would complain had they given Batman organic armor and mutant powers.....

[Kelly]

Well as I'm leaving the theatre...I'll ask people randomly about Doom and if anyone says he shouldn't have gone up in the ship, should not have had organic armour and mutant powers....I'll be sure and let you know.....:)

[AmerikazMostWanted]

But how do you know if they knew dooms original origin anyways.
http://img93.exs.cx/img93/9070/openhouse18bm.jpg
new doom pic

[Kelly]

But how do you know if they knew dooms original origin anyways.
http://img93.exs.cx/img93/9070/openhouse18bm.jpg
new doom pic


That will be one of my questions.....

[AmerikazMostWanted]

ok...... i...see.... know......

[kittykatkr]

how is albafan on.... i dont even see her on the list?!

[Kelly]

its magic....

[kittykatkr]

what kind of magic....???

[JulianM.Fan]

Stop complaining that's all anyone does around here. Sheesh it's a intro movie you won't see any big thing happen till the sequel.

[zer00]

what kind of magic....???

evil

[AmerikazMostWanted]

Stop complaining that's all anyone does around here. Sheesh it's a intro movie you won't see any big thing happen till the sequel.
Im not complaining , its just a movie.

[Head>On<Collider]

Well as I'm leaving the theatre...I'll ask people randomly about Doom and if anyone says he shouldn't have gone up in the ship, should not have had organic armour and mutant powers....I'll be sure and let you know.....:)Oh, don't worry; I'm sure the typical answer will be who cares. Thanks for nothing. Instead, Why not just ask them , was he original ? Did he stand out amonst all the other ones you know of, did he hold up to par with the likes of Vader, Joker and so forth? The answer will most likely be no....and it's a damn shame.

:unishr:

[kittykatkr]

hahah yeah its just a movie. geez guys.

[Kelly]

what kind of magic....???

Hype magic....:hyper:

[Kelly]

Oh, don't worry; I'm sure the typical answer will be who cares. Thanks for nothing. Instead, Why not just ask them , was he original ? Did he stand out amonst all the other ones you know of, did he hold up to par with the likes of Vader, Joker and so forth? The answer will most likely be no....and it's a damn shame.

:unishr:

Ok...I can ask that instead....:)

[Head>On<Collider]

Ok...I can ask that instead....:)
:)

:unishr:

[kittykatkr]

isnt magic considered satanic? you should stop before you die and go to hell... hahaha im just kidding. :) http://home.vr-web.de/julia.evers/smileys11/Herz_anim.gif http://home.vr-web.de/julia.evers/smileys2/s445.gif

[zer00]

isnt magic considered satanic? you should stop before you die and go to hell... hahaha im just kidding. :) http://home.vr-web.de/julia.evers/smileys11/Herz_anim.gif

too late for me.

[kittykatkr]

http://home.vr-web.de/julia.evers/smileys2/s445.gif http://home.vr-web.de/julia.evers/smileys7/s828.gif

[Herr Logan]

Well as I'm leaving the theatre...I'll ask people randomly about Doom and if anyone says he shouldn't have gone up in the ship, should not have had organic armour and mutant powers....I'll be sure and let you know.....:)

I loves me some casually-aquired anecdotal evidence. :)

:wolverine

[Kelly]

I loves me some casually-aquired anecdotal evidence. :)

:wolverine

Well apparently theres a ques. I have to add...LOL

[Herr Logan]

Stop complaining that's all anyone does around here. Sheesh it's a intro movie you won't see any big thing happen till the sequel.

Go sit in the corner! :mad:

I'm sorry, folks, but the only way to teach children not be failures is to use a firm, iron-clad hand. :o

:wolverine

[JulianM.Fan]

Me don't sit in corners and it's the truth:doom:

[Herr Logan]

Me don't sit in corners and it's the truth:doom:

Then you can sit outside. :mad:

:wolverine

[JulianM.Fan]

Or you can go outside and let me speak my mind;)

[wetgorilla]

Speak your mind now, child, or we'll hold you down and let Doom wire it shut permanently! :p

Wetgorilla
:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

Speak your mind now, child, or we'll hold you down and let Doom wire it shut permanently! :p

Wetgorilla
:wolverine

Heh! :)

:wolverine

[Lightning Strykez!]

hahah yeah its just a movie. geez guys.


Actually, for some it's more than "just a movie"--it's nothing short of a religion, and deviating from its source material is tantamount to blasphemy in the opinions of some fanboys.

Now, whether such an attitude is right or wrong is debatable, but it is the truth regardless. ;)

[Herr Logan]

Actually, for some it's more than "just a movie"--it's nothing short of a religion, and deviating from its source material is tantamount to blasphemy in the opinions of some fanboys.

Now, whether such an attitude is right or wrong is debatable, but it is the truth regardless. ;)

Good job, Lightnin. Not only did you use a term that is unspeakably hypocritical to use when you've signed up on this site, but you used one that seems to be used both by your kind and my kind with vastly different meanings.

You're now at "sunshine junkie" status, and you'll be presented with a stylish wool vest with the word "hypocrite" emblazoned on the back. Now you'll be God's gift to ewes. :up:

:wolverine

[Saph]

Good job, Lightnin. Not only did you use a term that is unspeakably hypocritical to use when you've signed up on this site, but you used one that seems to be used both by your kind and my kind with vastly different meanings.

You're now at "sunshine junkie" status, and you'll be presented with a stylish wool vest with the word "hypocrite" emblazoned on the back. Now you'll be God's gift to ewes. :up:

:wolverine

Actually Lightnin's use of fanboy implies that his definition of fanboy is the same as yours. He says 'some' Fanboys. By your definition, it is true that 'some' Fanboys view it as nothing short of a religion, and deviating from its source material is tantamount to blasphemy. He never said that all Fanboys thought like that, or even use 'fanboy' as an insult.

Once again, you're jumping to conclusions. You're getting sloppy, Herr.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Good job, Lightnin. Not only did you use a term that is unspeakably hypocritical to use when you've signed up on this site, but you used one that seems to be used both by your kind and my kind with vastly different meanings.

You're now at "sunshine junkie" status, and you'll be presented with a stylish wool vest with the word "hypocrite" emblazoned on the back. Now you'll be God's gift to ewes. :up:

:wolverine

Whaa?

Um helloooooooo---I'm a fanboy myself Herr. So I'm hardly being "hypocritical" here and your response above frankly doesn't make an ounce of sense to me.

The statement I made is absolutely factual--that is the way some people feel when it comes to comic book movie adaptations. And they (or should I say "we") are termed fanboys. Tell me, what part of that statement is untrue? Hmmm???

And since when does the term "fanboy" carry a negative connotation in of itself? "Fans", "Fanatics", "Fanboys" Fanaddicts"--they all add to the same diehard sum--and there is nothing wrong with that. My statement to Kitty was made to show her that these films are more than just "movies" in some people's opinions, but rather artistic renderings of revered source material. Perhaps if studios adopted this attitude, we wouldn't have situations like the one we are facing with Doctor Doom. Smack me if I'm missing something here, but is this something you disagree with?

I'm not quite sure why you've felt the need to personalize it, or become touchy, but the statement was never intended as a slap in the face.

[Herr Logan]

Actually Lightnin's use of fanboy implies that his definition of fanboy is the same as yours. He says 'some' Fanboys. By your definition, it is true that 'some' Fanboys view it as nothing short of a religion, and deviating from its source material is tantamount to blasphemy. He never said that all Fanboys thought like that, or even use 'fanboy' as an insult.

Once again, you're jumping to conclusions. You're getting sloppy, Herr.

I know. I am getting sloppy. :(

Too much stress and too little sleep lately. Gotta recharge, or lose my position as the Hype's "unofficial despot," as one hit-and-run plebeian coward was kind enough to call me recently.

You seem to be staying sharp, though. I'm downright proud.

And threatened. :mad:

:wolverine

[Lightning Strykez!]

Actually Lightnin's use of fanboy implies that his definition of fanboy is the same as yours. He says 'some' Fanboys. By your definition, it is true that 'some' Fanboys view it as nothing short of a religion, and deviating from its source material is tantamount to blasphemy. He never said that all Fanboys thought like that, or even use 'fanboy' as an insult.

Once again, you're jumping to conclusions. You're getting sloppy, Herr.


>sigh<

Thank you Saph.

*shakes head and exits thread*

[Herr Logan]

Whaa?

Um helloooooooo---I'm a fanboy myself Herr. So I'm hardly being "hypocritical" here and your response above frankly doesn't make an ounce of sense to me.

The statement I made is absolutely factual--that is the way some people feel when it comes to comic book movie adaptations. And they (or should I say "we") are termed fanboys. Tell me, what part of that statement is untrue? Hmmm???

And since when does the term "fanboy" carry a negative connotation in of itself? "Fans", "Fanatics", "Fanboys" Fanaddicts"--they all add to the same diehard sum--and there is nothing wrong with that. My statement to Kitty was made to show her that these films are more than just "movies" in some people's opinions, but rather artistic renderings of revered source material. Perhaps if studios adopted this attitude, we wouldn't have situations like the one we are facing with Doctor Doom. Smack me if I'm missing something here, but is this something you disagree with?

I'm not quite sure why you've felt the need to personalize it, or become touchy, but the statement was never intended as a slap in the face.

I'm taking the wool vest back. :mad:

It clearly belongs on someone else. This guy in this other Doom thread, perhaps, to go with his new wool coat. :o

Regretfully,

Herr Logan :wolverine

[Lightning Strykez!]

I'm taking the wool vest back. :mad:

It clearly belongs on someone else. This guy in this other Doom thread, perhaps, to go with his new wool coat. :o

Regretfully,

Herr Logan :wolverine

Here.

http://www.rozcraft.com/index_files/image080.jpg

Didn't look good on me anyway. ;)

[Herr Logan]

Here.

http://www.rozcraft.com/index_files/image080.jpg

Didn't look good on me anyway. ;)

Aw, I'd bet you'd look just adorable in it. ;)

Well, now that we got that cleared up, I'm gonna go eat, go home and rest, then procrastinate until an ungodly hour before studying. Luckily, my exam tomorrow is going to be far easier and more intuitive for me (I'm pretty sure I just failed a statistics exam a little while ago... failed it but good!).

Again, sorry for my misinterpretation. It's gettin' so I can't trust anyone to stay consistent these days. My bad.

:wolverine

[Head>On<Collider]

That vest even has sheep on it^^^^ Where the hell did you find that?
Here's my philosophy on fans..... Fans are not understandable. No one to date except for a few understand why I'm a fanatic about movies like Naked Lunch by David Cronenberg. So the first reaction is to say, well then, you shouldn't judge me for liking this movie's version of Doom here, Right? Wrong! Because your right to being a fan of movie Doom comes from the same right that makes me a fan of the conflicting classic Doom and these two types of fanaticism are going to cross paths as they have crossed paths. So be it.

[Kelly]

That vest even has sheep on it^^^^ Where the hell did you find that?
Here's my philosophy on fans..... Fans are not understandable. No one to date except for a few understand why I'm a fanatic about movies like Naked Lunch by David Cronenberg. So the first reaction is to say, well then, you shouldn't judge me for liking this movie's version of Doom here, Right? Wrong! Because your right to being a fan of movie Doom comes from the same right that makes me a fan of the conflicting classic Doom and these two types of fanaticism are going to cross paths as they have crossed paths. So be it.

You know what I actually agree w/ this....bottom line for me....I don't mind when people's opinions are different from mine, to me thats actually pretty cool...what I do mind and where many of us have a problem is when we are talked down too, and insulted because of our opinion...there lies the problem...everyone seems to think the problem is differing opinions...but for most of the so called "sheep" its not...its the degrading, insulting way we are viewed here on this board...(and not pointing a finger at you 09, I agree w/ your post)....but myself along w/ many others who are well-educated people...find it very insulting to be talked too, and about, in the manner that goes on here on this board, and is allowed to continue...and we are spoken to in this manner simply because we see the "glass as half-full, rather than half-empty" and choose to enjoy ourselves, and have fun on this forum...just because we see movie in a different light does not make us ignorant, it simply makes us different in our opinions....

So continue the difference of opinions, feel free too...but the other really needs to stop....or should stop maybe is the right way to say it....because as for me, I find nothing worth respecting in those posts......and thats sad because I have learned alot from opinions that were different from mine....I'd like to learn more....

Kel

And one thing I want to add, because I just saw Sar post on another thread and it reminded me...

Sar, Boom, IM, Dragon and some others and I have not really agreed on much of anything...LOL, but never once did I feel spoken down too, or degraded because of my opinion...for that they have my respect....and hopefully they can say the same about me...thats my truest hope....

[Lightning Strykez!]

So if those who view things from the "half-full glass" perspective are touted as "sheep" do those who view it from the opposite spectrum get to be labeled "goats"? ;)

*looks for pic of goat-hair vest*

[Kelly]

So if those who view things from the "half-full glass" perspective are touted as "sheep" do those who view it from the opposite spectrum get to be labeled "goats"? ;)

*looks for pic of goat-hair vest*


No because then that puts us on the same level....

And I for one.....won't go there.....

[Lightning Strykez!]

No because then that puts us on the same level....



I know.

I just wanted to show how warped such thinking is. ;)

[Head>On<Collider]

You know what I actually agree w/ this....bottom line for me....I don't mind when people's opinions are different from mine, to me thats actually pretty cool...what I do mind and where many of us have a problem is when we are talked down too, and insulted because of our opinion...there lies the problem...everyone seems to think the problem is differing opinions...but for most of the so called "sheep" its not...its the degrading, insulting way we are viewed here on this board...(and not pointing a finger at you 09, I agree w/ your post)....but myself along w/ many others who are well-educated people...find it very insulting to be talked too, and about, in the manner that goes on here on this board, and is allowed to continue...and we are spoken to in this manner simply because we see the "glass as half-full, rather than half-empty" and choose to enjoy ourselves, and have fun on this forum...just because we see movie in a different light does not make us ignorant, it simply makes us different in our opinions....

So continue the difference of opinions, feel free too...but the other really needs to stop....or should stop maybe is the right way to say it....because as for me, I find nothing worth respecting in those posts......and thats sad because I have learned alot from opinions that were different from mine....I'd like to learn more....

Kel

And one thing I want to add, because I just saw Sar post on another thread and it reminded me...

Sar, Boom, IM, Dragon and some others and I have not really agreed on much of anything...LOL, but never once did I feel spoken down too, or degraded because of my opinion...for that they have my respect....and hopefully they can say the same about me...thats my truest hope....:daredevilOK, warning: this just may sound a little f***ed up, so bear with me Kel.....
You're basically saying you want peace, right? Welcome to planet Earth, sweety. Believe it or not, half the things I've said that make me notorius for being a hard-a$$ (here, or in real life) came out of provocation (here even, really);maybe it started at an early age with cruel people in this cruel world, and now everyone who deals with me, has to to put up with this "bad seed" here, if you choose to look at it that way ;) , yet it doesn't need to be taken so seriously.......meh. Anyway, (here comes Mark, the villain) as over the top as this may sound..... ;), I'd like to challenge your positivity a little further....hehehe! You see, Albagirl ;) , what if something actually GOOD came out of all these so-called destructive things being said by such "ill-ravenous" members here. Wouldn't such an unfolding warrant the title, POSITIVE? :hyper:

:unishr:

[Head>On<Collider]

So if those who view things from the "half-full glass" perspective are touted as "sheep" do those who view it from the opposite spectrum get to be labeled "goats"? ;)

*looks for pic of goat-hair vest*That all depends on who the shepherd is. It's good to be a sheep for a good shepherd. It's bad to be a goat to a good shepherd.
It's good be a goat to a bad shepherd, and bad to be a sheep with a bad shepherd.

[Kelly]

:daredevilOK, warning: this just may sound a little f***ed up, so bear with me Kel.....
You're basically saying you want peace, right? Welcome to planet Earth, sweety. Believe it or not, half the things I've said that make me notorius for being a hard-a$$ (here, or in real life) came out of provocation (here even, really);maybe it started at an early age with cruel people in this cruel world, and now everyone who deals with me, has to to put up with this "bad seed" here, if you choose to look at it that way ;) , yet it doesn't need to be taken so seriously.......meh. Anyway, (here comes Mark, the villain) as over the top as this may sound..... ;), I'd like to challenge your positivity a little further....hehehe! You see, Albagirl ;) , what if something actually GOOD came out of all these so-called destructive things being said by such "ill-ravenous" members here. Wouldn't such an unfolding warrant the title, POSITIVE? :hyper:

:unishr:

Ya know 09....LOL...out of my entire post....you got nothing at all...go figure.....but thats cool.....cause I'm done.....

[Head>On<Collider]

Ya know 09....LOL...out of my entire post....you got nothing at all...go figure.....but thats cool.....cause I'm done.....When you said, "other" I responded according to that. I can only read between the lines so far, Albafan.

So continue the difference of opinions, feel free too...but the other really needs to stop....or should stop maybe is the right way to say it....because as for me, I find nothing worth respecting in those posts......and thats sad because I have learned alot from opinions that were different from mine....I'd like to learn more....

[Head>On<Collider]

They're fans. What should have I expected?

[C. Lee]

- I Am Getting Sick And Tired Of All The Fighting In Here.

People Who Like The Way The Movie Is Going Have The Right To Say That Without Getting Attacked.

People Who Don't Like The Way The Movie Is Going Have The Right To Say That Without Getting Attacked.

No One....no One....has The Right To Attack, Call People Names, Belittle Them, Tell Them They Are Stupid, Tell Them They Are Unintelligent, Tell Them That They Are Not Fans Of The Fantastic Four....because Someone's Feelings On The Way The Movie Is Going Is Different From Theirs.

The Saying "i'm A Better Fan" By Both Sides Will Stop!!!

You People Are So Hotheaded...you Are Attacking People Even When They Agree With You.

If Everyone Does Not Stop The Attacks, Stop The Name Calling, Stop The Snide Rude Remarks.....then Everyone Will Suffer The Consequences.

[Herr Logan]

Sar, Boom, IM, Dragon and some others and I have not really agreed on much of anything...LOL, but never once did I feel spoken down too, or degraded because of my opinion...for that they have my respect....and hopefully they can say the same about me...thats my truest hope....

They're good people. Better people than I, that's for sure.

And I'm sure they do respect you, just like I do.

:wolverine

[Kelly]

They're good people. Better people than I, that's for sure.

And I'm sure they do respect you, just like I do.

:wolverine

Thank You HL...

[Herr Logan]

So if those who view things from the "half-full glass" perspective are touted as "sheep" do those who view it from the opposite spectrum get to be labeled "goats"? ;)

*looks for pic of goat-hair vest*

I can accept that arrangement. I just have one caveat: if you're going to call me a goat, please use appropriate adjectives preceding it.
Some examples: "You're a crotchety, cantankerous, ornery goat," and in the spirit of Stan Lee-- "... grievous, galling, grouchy, gloomy goat."

I'm gonna go look for some tasty cans to chew on. Maybe some empty, metallic food containers as well. :)

:wolverine

[Head>On<Collider]

Thank You HL...FYI, so do I.


In case you haven't known that by now.

[Kelly]

FYI, so do I.


In case you haven't known that by now.

As Kel? or Albafan?....because contrary to popular belief one does take precedence over the other....

[Herr Logan]

Thank You HL...

That's a familiar elipsis. That's fine. I don't expect anyone here to take me seriously, especially if I say something complimentary.

:wolverine

[Head>On<Collider]

As Kel? or Albafan?....because contrary to popular belief one does take precedence over the other....As Kel.

[Herr Logan]

As Kel? or Albafan?....because contrary to popular belief one does take precedence over the other....

Someone call Doc Sampson... :hulk:

:wolverine

[Kelly]

That's a familiar elipsis. That's fine. I don't expect anyone here to take me seriously, especially if I say something complimentary.

:wolverine


Did I leave words out???? I honestly meant thank you.....

[Herr Logan]

Did I leave words out???? I honestly meant thank you.....

It's just a bit confusing, since people often end sentences with elipses when they're implying suspicion, uncertainty and so forth. I guess maybe you just end a lot of your sentences that way.

You're welcome.

:wolverine

[Kelly]

It's just a bit confusing, since people often end sentences with elipses when they're implying suspicion, uncertainty and so forth. I guess maybe you just end a lot of yoursentences that way.

You're welcome.

:wolverine


LMAO....HL when have I not used ...... http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_12_6.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSxdm519)

[Herr Logan]

LMAO....HL when have I not used ...... http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_12_6.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSxdm519)

Freakin' memory... It's not even a "tired" thing, it's always like this.

I remember now. You always forsake proper puntuaction in favor of that air of mystery.
God, I hope that if you grade papers or tests or whatever from your students, you don't leave elipses after all your comments. That could screw a whole lotta paranoid kids over. :o

:wolverine

[Kelly]

Freakin' memory... It's not even a "tired" thing, it's always like this.

I remember now. You always forsake proper puntuaction in favor of that air of mystery.
God, I hope that if you grade papers or tests or whatever from your students, you don't leave elipses after all your comments. That could screw a whole lotta paranoid kids over. :o

:wolverine


LMAO.......of course I do...no actually I don't...its a form of creative writing that I learned in college. When writing on paper your pen never comes up off the paper...even if your thought process, stops...your pen keeps you focused and so you simply loop until your next thought comes...

I write my lectures like that, but when they are put to power point there are no (...)...LOL

[Iron Maiden]

That's a familiar elipsis. That's fine. I don't expect anyone here to take me seriously, especially if I say something complimentary.

:wolverine


Now what's that supposed to mean.....:joker:

[Herr Logan]

Now what's that supposed to mean.....:joker:

Well, I thought albafan was being sarcastic or tentative in her response, as if she thought I was being sarcastic.

And I'm never sarcastic. :o

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

LMAO.......of course I do...no actually I don't...its a form of creative writing that I learned in college. When writing on paper your pen never comes up off the paper...even if your thought process, stops...your pen keeps you focused and so you simply loop until your next thought comes...

I write my lectures like that, but when they are put to power point there are no (...)...LOL

Good. We've got enough neurotic, paranoid students walking around, waiting for the other shoe to drop.

:wolverine

[Head>On<Collider]

Oh, now we're on the verge of feeding each other grapes and stuff ;)
There's this joke I want to share with you guys... There's this town called Espanola, NM about a half hour drive from Santa Fe. It's full of chollos and low-riders. The joke goes as follows: What's the definition of an Espanola welcome?







When you enter the town, you get the ***** beaten out of you, and then an hour later, the same ones who beated the crap out of you are feeding you, giving you beer, and showing you pictures of their kids and so forth.....

[Lightning Strykez!]

Remember when this place used to be fun? :(

Now look at C. Lee's sticky at the top of OUR forum.

It's a damn shame...and embarrassing.

[Kelly]

Oh, now we're on the verge of feeding each other grapes and stuff ;)
There's this joke I want to share with you guys... There's this town called Espanola, NM about a half hour drive from Santa Fe. It's full of chollos and low-riders. The joke goes as follows: What's the definition of an Espanola welcome?







When you enter the town, you get the ***** beaten out of you, and then an hour later, the same ones who beated the crap out of you are feeding you, giving you beer, and showing you pictures of their kids and so forth.....


I give what I'm given....as simple as that....

[Herr Logan]

Oh, now we're on the verge of feeding each other grapes and stuff ;)
There's this joke I want to share with you guys... There's this town called Espanola, NM about a half hour drive from Santa Fe. It's full of chollos and low-riders. The joke goes as follows: What's the definition of an Espanola welcome?







When you enter the town, you get the ***** beaten out of you, and then an hour later, the same ones who beated the crap out of you are feeding you, giving you beer, and showing you pictures of their kids and so forth.....

Hmm... if I didn't have so damn many qualities in common with my parents, I'd consider the possibility that I was adopted and originally from Espanola.

What's that look for?

*smack* ...teach you to stare at me, like I'm some kinda maniac. How you like that? Huh?!

Mmm... pie. Here, you have some. :)

:wolverine

[Head>On<Collider]

Remember when this place used to be fun? :(

Now look at C. Lee's sticky at the top of OUR forum.

It's a damn shame...and embarrassing.I love you man!!

[Head>On<Collider]

I give what I'm given....as simple as that....Same here.:)

[wetgorilla]

You know what I actually agree w/ this....bottom line for me....I don't mind when people's opinions are different from mine, to me thats actually pretty cool...what I do mind and where many of us have a problem is when we are talked down too, and insulted because of our opinion...there lies the problem...everyone seems to think the problem is differing opinions...but for most of the so called "sheep" its not...its the degrading, insulting way we are viewed here on this board...(and not pointing a finger at you 09, I agree w/ your post)....but myself along w/ many others who are well-educated people...find it very insulting to be talked too, and about, in the manner that goes on here on this board, and is allowed to continue...and we are spoken to in this manner simply because we see the "glass as half-full, rather than half-empty" and choose to enjoy ourselves, and have fun on this forum...just because we see movie in a different light does not make us ignorant, it simply makes us different in our opinions....


It's also degrading and insulting to hear people refer to others as "trolls" or have people imply their viewpoints are more optimistic and genuine because they choose to "agree" rather than "disagree" with what they perceive to be a general consensus. Regardless of the analogies "some people" try to use, they always manage to sneak in a jab and draw a line.

It might be a good idea for the "sheep" to remember the "trolls" enjoy fellowship on this forum as well and defending a position doesn't constitue being "mean spirited".

Wetgorilla
:wolverine

[wetgorilla]

Let's discuss Doom. Shall we? :rolleyes:

[Lightning Strykez!]

It might be a good idea for the "sheep" to remember the "trolls" enjoy fellowship on this forum as well and defending a position doesn't constitue being "mean spirited".



This is true provided that the "position"--whatever it may be--is articulated in a way that dignifies others. It's not always about the "gift" per se, but rather the way it is packaged. Tact goes a long way around here.

And that's the crux of problem we are having in this forum of late, hence the warning C. just released.

[parkerpete]

I know. I am getting sloppy. :(

Too much stress and too little sleep lately. Gotta recharge, or lose my position as the Hype's "unofficial despot," as one hit-and-run plebeian coward was kind enough to call me recently.

You seem to be staying sharp, though. I'm downright proud.

And threatened. :mad:

:wolverine


Yes, I called you an unofficial despot. And ooooooooo.... you called me a chicken. Why, because I'm not brave enough to sit on my ass all day, calling people 'sheep' because they disagree with my pronouncements on how big the Thing's brow should be?

:wolverine oooooooo, chicken...

[wetgorilla]

This is true provided that the "position"--whatever it may be--is articulated in a way that dignifies others. It's not always about the "gift" per se, but rather the way it is packaged. Tact goes a long way around here.

And that's the crux of problem we are having in this forum of late, hence the warning C. just released.

Articulation doesn't appear to be a favorite past time with individuals while praising this film. One-liners permeate threads like 20 Things Going Good and a hostile detest can be inferred from attacks on individuals like Orange9 and HerrLogan when they defend their perspectives in detail or when I post a commentary.

So, in those immortal words from that great philosopher and philanthropist, Rodney King....

Can't we all just get along?

Wetgorilla
:wolverine

[Lightning Strykez!]

Articulation doesn't appear to be a favorite past time with individuals while praising this film. One-liners permeate threads like 20 Things Going Good and a hostile detest can be inferred from attacks on individuals like Orange9 and HerrLogan when they defend their perspectives in detail or when I post a commentary.

So, in those immortal words from that great philosopher and philanthropist, Rodney King....

Can't we all just get along?

Wetgorilla
:wolverine

Let's be objective: Everyone here is capable of being both guilty and a victim--and in this vein neither you or anyone else you've mentioned is "above" that reality. Frankly, the attacks you speak of are charted on a two-way street. So while articulation may not always be a "passtime of those supporting" this film, ironically enough, it also frequently fails those who attack it.

This forum remains a sophisticated group of posters, but the problem lies in respect--bottom line. Whether fans are drawn here because they love the FF, an actor in the film, or just enjoy superhero movies in general, they have a place here. Tolerance is a quality that some here need to master--especially when dealing with those who do not fit their definition of a "true fan." Then--and only then--will people truly get along.

The process begins with self-examination, not pinning the tail on other people's proverbial donkeys.

[Kelly]

Don't worry about it Lightnin these are points that simply won't get through in some areas....some will get it some won't....thats the world....and we can try and put it into different words all we want, in hopes that people will get it....reality is some won't.

P.S. and thats ok i guess cause thats the world...:)

[Herr Logan]

Yes, I called you an unofficial despot. And ooooooooo.... you called me a chicken. Why, because I'm not brave enough to sit on my ass all day, calling people 'sheep' because they disagree with my pronouncements on how big the Thing's brow should be?

:wolverine oooooooo, chicken...

:)

You failed again, Pete. I've never complained about the Thing's brow. Thank God you haven't changed.

:wolverine

[wetgorilla]

Let's be objective: Everyone here is capable of being both guilty and a victim--and in this vein neither you or anyone else you've mentioned is "above" that reality. Frankly, the attacks you speak of are charted on a two-way street. So while articulation may not always be a "passtime of those supporting" this film, ironically enough, it also frequently fails those who attack it.

This forum remains a sophisticated group of posters, but the problem lies in respect--bottom line. Whether fans are drawn here because they love the FF, an actor in the film, or just enjoy superhero movies in general, they have a place here. Tolerance is a quality that some here need to master--especially when dealing with those who do not fit their definition of a "true fan." Then--and only then--will people truly get along.

The process begins with self-examination, not pinning the tail on other people's proverbial donkeys.

Self-examination is always good for the soul especially when it shines light on pride. Too often people with good intentions become guilty contributors and facilitators of conflict when they enjoy the adulation of others playing "folow-the-leader" in these forums. Every mob has a central leader and it would do all of us here a world of good if everyone would start thinking for themselves.

The cat is fed, my woman is walking out the door and It's coffee time. I'm gonna get myself a running start. :rolleyes:

Wetgorilla
:wolverine

[Lightning Strykez!]

Self-examination is always good for the soul especially when it shines light on pride. Too often people with good intentions become guilty contributors and facilitators of conflict when they enjoy the adulation of others playing "folow-the-leader" in these forums. Every mob has a central leader and it would do all of us here a world of good to start thinking for themselves.

The cat is fed, my woman is walking out the door and It's coffee time. I'm gonna get myself a running start. :rolleyes:

Wetgorilla
:wolverine

A blanket statement perhaps? Because it certainly doesn't apply to SHH.

Last time I checked, no forum on SHH has a "leader" and this one certainly is no exception. This is, and always has been a sophisticated group effort--light years away from anything present on other websites. That is what accounts for the family-like culture that dwells here. A few try to subvert that unity but...it's not happening. ;) Why is that?

Because if one must pin a "badge of leadership" on anybody it would have to be Jack Kirby and Stan Lee. They are the true "leaders" and it is their visions and their imagination that we want to see preserved both in print and on film. We are "followers" of their material, and such passionate devotion is what keeps us coming here everyday. If we are "sheep" then Stan and Kirby are the shepherds--and that role doesn't rightfully belong to any particular poster here. Not Fox. And certainly not any uprooted plant(s). :rolleyes:

Now, if Fox and Tim Story can follow the fan's example in this regard, we will be in for one helluva film on July 8th. But until then.....






Enjoy your coffee. :cool:

[Herr Logan]

A blanket statement perhaps? Because it certainly doesn't apply to SHH.

Last time I checked, no forum on SHH has a "leader" and this one certainly is no exception. This is, and always has been a sophisticated group effort--light years away from anything present on other websites. That is what accounts for the family-like culture that dwells here. A few try to subvert that unity but...it's not happening. ;) Why is that?

Because if one must pin a "badge of leadership" on anybody it would have to be Jack Kirby and Stan Lee. They are the true "leaders" and it is their visions and their imagination that we want to see preserved both in print and on film. We are "followers" of their material, and such passionate devotion is what keeps us coming here everyday. If we are "sheep" then Stan and Kirby are the shepherds--and that role doesn't rightfully belong to any particular poster here. Not Fox. And certainly not any uprooted plant(s). :rolleyes:

Now, if Fox and Tim Story can follow the fan's example in this regard, we will be in for one helluva film on July 8th. But until then.....

Enjoy your coffee. :cool:

Oh, come on, Lightnin. I think Wetgorilla was too definitive in his statements about mobs having a central leader (in riot situations, this is often not the case, for example), but you have to acknowledge that there are people that stand out on these boards as having a greater number of yes-men and yes/women offering congrats and adulations. From what I've seen in the FF forums, you and albafan seem to be elected prom king and queen. The disgusting thing is, a huge number of albafan's fans speak up with statements mainly about how "positive" she is. The same kind of thing happens with you, except not to the same degree, and you've offered more actual arguments pertaining to the subjects of controversy than "everyone's got their own opinion and disagreements between posters makes me so freakin' happy and educated" posts. I'm sure you feel differently, but it seems a bit shallow to laud someone for being simply cheerful and optimistic, and to do this constantly.

I have my own reasons for respecting both albafan and you, and I make sure to get the point across when I can. But you're not going to hear me shouting out praises for being positive and enthusiastic over a movie made my people that don't give a rat's ass about you, me or anyone but their own social and business circles.
I've insured that I will never become one of these beloved mob leaders that maintains a following of yes-men. Though there have been many people who backed me up just because I was willing to speak out against the majority and because I pack a punch in my posts, most posters who continue to support me here do so based on the actual substance of my posts, and not just a general emotional tone I tend to maintain. Considering this is the internet and most of us have never met each other, you'll have to take this statement as less than literal: When you're an a$$hole, you know who your friends really are.

The majority of the aforementioned so-called "sheep" on these boards (I'm quoting here, so don't go callin' C. Lee on my ass, dammit) are not following Stan Lee and Jack Kirby as their shepherds. The primary shepherds are producers and directors, and in the comic book forums, mainly current writers. It's extremely easy to pay lip service to Stan Lee, Steve Ditko, Jack Kirby and any other legendary creator, and even to make it sound convincing. It's quite another to actually value the source material more than products shaped by current trends in entertainment. I consider myself someone who values those creators' work as some of the highest quality fiction, and for whatever reason, I've got an imagination similar enough to those creators' so that I can visualize those stories and characters (edited for time, of course) on the silver screen without a lot of alterations. That's not to say that I'm as creative as Stan and the rest, but having imagination is about either creating and clearly perceiving images from either an external source or one's own mind, or both. It's a bless and a curse, but it should never be criticized in and of itself just because the majority of humans on this planet have not been raised and conditioned to value it. Stan Lee, for example, is far more intelligent than most human beings and has (or had) an amazing gift for applying that intelligence in a constructive manner. That doesn't make him someone only a "fanboy" could respect. That makes him a remarkable figure in literary and entertainment history.

:wolverine

[Lightning Strykez!]

Oh, come on, Lightnin. I think Wetgorilla was too definitive in his statements about mobs having a central leader (in riot situations, this is often not the case, for example), but you have to acknowledge that there are people that stand out on these boards as having a greater number of yes-men and yes/women offering congrats and adulations. From what I've seen in the FF forums, you and albafan seem to be elected prom king and queen. The disgusting thing is, a huge number of albafan's fans speak up with statements mainly about how "positive" she is. The same kind of thing happens with you, except not to the same degree, and you've offered more actual arguments pertaining to the subjects of controversy than "everyone's got their own opinion and disagreements between posters makes me so freakin' happy and educated" posts. I'm sure you feel differently, but it seems a bit shallow to laud someone for being simply cheerful and optimistic, and to do this constantly.

I have my own reasons for respecting both albafan and you, and I make sure to get the point across when I can. But you're not going to hear me shouting out praises for being positive and enthusiastic over a movie made my people that don't give a rat's ass about you, me or anyone but their own social and business circles.
I've insured that I will never become one of these beloved mob leaders that maintains a following of yes-men. Though there have been many people who backed me up just because I was willing to speak out against the majority and because I pack a punch in my posts, most posters who continue to support me here do so based on the actual substance of my posts, and not just a general emotional tone I tend to maintain. Considering this is the internet and most of us have never met each other, you'll have to take this statement as less than literal: When you're an a$$hole, you know who your friends really are.

The majority of the aforementioned so-called "sheep" on these boards (I'm quoting here, so don't go callin' C. Lee on my ass, dammit) are not following Stan Lee and Jack Kirby as their shepherds. The primary shepherds are producers and directors, and in the comic book forums, mainly current writers. It's extremely easy to pay lip service to Stan Lee, Steve Ditko, Jack Kirby and any other legendary creator, and even to make it sound convincing. It's quite another to actually value the source material more than products shaped by current trends in entertainment. I consider myself someone who values those creators' work as some of the highest quality fiction, and for whatever reason, I've got an imagination similar enough to those creators' so that I can visualize those stories and characters (edited for time, of course) on the silver screen without a lot of alterations. That's not to say that I'm as creative as Stan and the rest, but having imagination is about either creating and clearly perceiving images from either an external source or one's own mind, or both. It's a bless and a curse, but it should never be criticized in and of itself just because the majority of humans on this planet have not been raised and conditioned to value it. Stan Lee, for example, is far more intelligent than most human beings and has (or had) an amazing gift for applying that intelligence in a constructive manner. That doesn't make him someone only a "fanboy" could respect. That makes him a remarkable figure in literary and entertainment history.

:wolverine

That's quite a post there Herr. ;)

Even though I disagree with some segments of it, there is much I understand from it as well. I can't speak for anyone else but myself, but I hardly consider myself the "leader" here. And, not to be coy, I doubt anyone else seriously views me in that light either.

Now, what I do try to do is make threads that make people think outside the box--and I believe that quality and quantity adds to a forum. I look at the examples of folks like Captain Stacy, Iron Maiden, Willie Lumpkin, Vartha etc., and see how they use their FF knowledge to educate and enlighten casual fans on the greatness that is Fantastic Four. I simply try to use my voice and knowledge in a similar vein.

But let's not get it twisted: while I may try to spark conversation, that definitely doesn't qualify me as "the leader". :rolleyes: We have many talented and respected folks in this forum, and I am simply supporting them with what I know from collecting these books. And to be frank, I've PMed many a poster about labeling me as a "leader" anyway. This is a comic book discussion forum, so it's hardly that deep for me. Granted, I do wear a badge in everyday life, but not one for SHH.

I come here to discuss Fantastic Four--not to win a popularity contest. It's easy for those who are new here to assign alterior motives to some of us mainstays but...truth be told...High School ended for me....a long time ago. ;)