No genuinely good fight scenes in any of the four films

[Kevin Roegele]

There just aren't any memorable, exciting fight scenes. Sure, the scuffles with thugs in Batman are decent, but Burton has never been an action director. The clashes with Catwoman are snappy but brief. Batman Forever has a very disapointing face-off between Robin and Two-Face, and Batman doesn't even fight Two-Face or the Riddler! We know Two-Face can fight, and the Riddler not only has that cane, but he's downloaded the memories of millions of people. Including Batman himself. So he should be able to put up a decent fight. In a comicbook movie, that makes sense. Forever could have been so much better with a two vs two climax, which would be the perfect symbolic conclusion to a movie all about duality.

Then we have Batman & Robin, which ironically does have climactic showdowns, Batgirl against Poison Ivy, Batman against Freeze, Batgirl and Robin against Bane, but they are all lamer than a $20 fanboy production.

[Carmine Falcone]

I agree with you. No great memorable fight~s like the Spider v.s Ock end fight in Spider-man 2, that fight KICKED ASS!

Batman begins will have alot of great fights. I won't spoil them ;)

[BatMatt]

hehe ^agreed

[InsayneJayne]

I agree with you. No great memorable fight~s like the Spider v.s Ock end fight in Spider-man 2, that fight KICKED ASS!



weren't more than half the fights computerized??

obviously nothing can really truly compare.

[cryptic name]

i liked the fight between batman and the thugs in the alley in '89. there was even a nod to the 60's show when the camera flash goes off whenever bats hits the one guy.
not to mention the fight between him and the big black guy in the cathedral.

[KenK]

i liked the fight between batman and the thugs in the alley in '89. there was even a nod to the 60's show when the camera flash goes off whenever bats hits the one guy.
not to mention the fight between him and the big black guy in the cathedral.

And that was a pretty damn physical fight! I too did love the allow fight, and I though it was very much how I'd expect a Batman fight(at least between some thugs) to be. Not to mention him defending against the guy with the Katana swords. And it ended in a perfect Batman way. Batman just stands there and pretty much just lifts his leg until the foot connects with the guy's face.

[InsayneJayne]

Batman just stands there and pretty much just lifts his leg until the foot connects with the guy's face.

that happens in every damn movie...like a little mini comedy sketch...
same in Batman Forever...

[The Riddler]

I agree with you. No great memorable fight~s like the Spider v.s Ock end fight in Spider-man 2, that fight KICKED ASS!

spider-man 2's fight scenes are just amazing.

any superhero film will have a tough time even matchin' up to that..

spider-man2 was simply a great movie.

:up:

[cryptic name]

the thing is, batman and spider-man are fundamentaly different in their techniques. spider-man's is fun to watch and very acrobatic in nature. where as batman is just out to hurt who ever he's fighting and it doesn't need to look flashy.

[InsayneJayne]

the thing is, batman and spider-man are fundamentaly different in their techniques. spider-man's is fun to watch and very acrobatic in nature. where as batman is just out to hurt who ever he's fighting and it doesn't need to look flashy.

BOO YAH!

[cryptic name]

also the scene in returns when he fights the circus freaks is pretty cool.

[InsayneJayne]

also the scene in returns when he fights the circus freaks is pretty cool.


Yeah, I like the circus freaks..

I also enjoyed the weird neon clown/skull people in Forever...
sure it was cheesy, but the thought of them being real is pretty cool..
maybe if they made that scene a little more danerous/deadly, it would have been better

[Clerk]

I was watching Batman on Sci-Fi a few months back, and one fight totally floored me. It was when that thug with the knifes all over his limbs fought Batman in the alley. He quickly deflected each shot, kicking and using his wrists.

That was badass.

[cryptic name]

the thug had 2 swords

[spiderpapo]

I thought the Batman/Catwoman fights were cool.

[Two-Face]

I liked Batman fighting the Two-Face goons in Forever where the goons first blast the elevator door then the door opens and Batman crushing on the goons.

[The Guard]

No memorable fight scenes? This is another one of those things I shake my head at when people mention them.

BATMAN

-Batman fights Joker's thugs and takes out abotu four of them in thirty seconds or so. Then, Batman fights the sword-wilelding thug with his gauntlets and bootplates. He then kicks the guy to end the fight.

-Batman battles The Joker's thug in the cathedral, in a fight where Batman ends up using the bell to his advantage, leaping around, being thrown, rolling around, and getting the crap kicked out of him but still coming out on top.

-Batman kicks The Joker's ass, with a memorable speech to boot.

BATMAN RETURNS

-Batman battles no less than three or four thugs, taking them out in a display of martial arts prowess. Then he uses his batarang in what is certainly a memorable moment.

-Batman VS Catwoman, while short and sweet, was pretty interesting, and displayed some skill on both their parts.

BATMAN FOREVER

-Batman bursts out of an elevator when he should be dead, takes on a bunch of thugs who obviously have some skill, using various gadgets and martial arts, and a large degree of resourcefulness.

-Have some of you already forgotten the scene where he crashes through a damn skylight, lands in a fountain, and proceeds to kick ass at the Ritz Gotham?

BATMAN & ROBIN

-Batman and Robin battle on the ice. On skates. While it's not particularly "good", don't tell me it's not memorable.

-Batman VS Freeze. A fight that involves Batman swinging around on his wire, swinging into Freeze, that kind of thing, and a good old-fashioned fistfight with a powersuit involved in the equation.

Batman is not The Matrix or Spider-Man, or even Blade. You won't see three minute fight scenes that have been set up to be such. Why? Because that's not realistic at all, and it's certainly not realistic in a being with no superpowers. And it's never been part of the comics, unless Batman is fighting someone with superb skill, like Shiva or Ra's Al Ghul.

In the Batman films, you see him fight how real people fight. That's how it works, people. You dodge, duck, and throw punches, kicks, and occassionally use the momentum of your opponent against them. This is how Batman has always fought in the comics when he's not facing down against someone with serious martial arts skills (And when he did so in previous films, he responded in kind) There are no exaggerated moves in the real world, there's no slow-motion chain kicks. Just people doing what they have to do to win a fight. You'll see much the same in BATMAN BEGINS.

[SentinelMind]

^true, but I never really felt any the fights were brutal or real. The fights felt too choreographed, too convenient watching them, like I was watching bad pro wrestling or even ballet like he knows what the villains is going to do. Many times, it would just be Batman lifting a leg up and the villain runs into it. Plus, the old Batman costumes were too rigid or robotic for any real martial arts...you never actually see a full-fleshed out Batman fight. It would be pic of Bat standing, then a pic of a fist coming out of nowhere...and repeat.

[brainchild81]

Agreed.

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Batman89 has overall the best and most brutal fight scenes, the thugs in the alley, the black dude everything at the end the final joker confrontation thats badass and plus the movie wasnt supposed to be an action flick. Returns has its good moments but the circus freak fights are kinda thrown together, and the catwoman fights are very short and subtle couldve done way better. I personally dont like the fights on forever because theyre very unrealistic and i just hate that movie anyways. B+R fights are all over the top cheesy garbage that dosent deserve to be discussed. I have faith that begins will ruin all the previous movies fight scenes!!

[spdrknight]

Batman is not The Matrix or Spider-Man, or even Blade. You won't see three minute fight scenes that have been set up to be such. Why? Because that's not realistic at all, and it's certainly not realistic in a being with no superpowers. And it's never been part of the comics, unless Batman is fighting someone with superb skill, like Shiva or Ra's Al Ghul.

In the Batman films, you see him fight how real people fight. That's how it works, people. You dodge, duck, and throw punches, kicks, and occassionally use the momentum of your opponent against them. This is how Batman has always fought in the comics when he's not facing down against someone with serious martial arts skills (And when he did so in previous films, he responded in kind) There are no exaggerated moves in the real world, there's no slow-motion chain kicks. Just people doing what they have to do to win a fight. You'll see much the same in BATMAN BEGINS.

True, in real-life fights don't last a huge amount of time... they're usually under a minute or something like that, it all depends on how skilled the fighters are.
Batman, in the first two films, fought how he probably should... very reserved and held back. This isn't because he is a wuss or something, it's because he has self control and he lets the fight come to him. I thought there were some good fight scenes in the first two, but Forver and B&R seemed really fake and played out.

[spdrknight]

Begins will probably have more elaborate of fight scenes, judging by the footage that we have seen it looks like there is a lot of fights and I bet they will still be realastic and not over the top.

[The Guard]

true, but I never really felt any the fights were brutal or real. The fights felt too choreographed, too convenient watching them, like I was watching bad pro wrestling or even ballet like he knows what the villains is going to do. Many times, it would just be Batman lifting a leg up and the villain runs into it. Plus, the old Batman costumes were too rigid or robotic for any real martial arts...you never actually see a full-fleshed out Batman fight. It would be pic of Bat standing, then a pic of a fist coming out of nowhere...and repeat.

Try putting on a cape and then try to fight in it. The fight scenes in BATMAN and BATMAN RETURNS looking that way have nothing to do with the suit. It has to do with how hard it is to fight in a cape, and the way he's fighting. He's still moving fast, he's just moving more fluidly, he's choosing his attacks. You need to go back and watch them again if you think they looked like bad pro wrestling. And in terms of "rigid" and "robotic", I don't see it. I see what looks like a man standing there fighting. He certainly wasn't so rigid he couldn't duck and bob and weave.

In BATMAN FOREVER, he clearly snapped several kicks at people in the same motion. He fought like a trained martial artist. The fight shots were mostly done in wide shots. In BATMAN, there are several very good shots of what he does in terms of blocking, and then returning the attack. Ditto BATMAN RETURNS. None of the fights in BATMAN and BATMAN RETURNS look over-choreographed. And if you think BEGINS won't look like it's choreographed...with all the swordfighting and martial arts...

[brainchild81]

I personally would like to see Bats fight somebody who's a peer in the fighting ability category. Watching Bats clobber thugs gets boring after a while. An artist like Bats is truly wasted like that.

[regwec]

the fight between him and the big black guy in the cathedral.
That was lame. How can a fat, wheezy thug beat seven shades out of one of the world's greatest martial artists, equipped with combat armour and a cache of high tech weaponry?

[spdrknight]

I personally would like to see Bats fight somebody who's a peer in the fighting ability category. Watching Bats clobber thugs gets boring after a while. An artist like Bats is truly wasted like that.

You'll get your chance to see it, I am sure we'll see some good fights with Bats going up against Ra's in Begins.

[gregtestagent]

I like the quick-hit fights. Batman back-fists a thug in the chemical plant, kicks the thug with the swords in the face, and does a "talk to the hand" with the guy who firsts attacks him in the cathedral.

[gregtestagent]

That was lame. How can a fat, wheezy thug beat seven shades out of one of the world's greatest martial artists, equipped with combat armour and a cache of high tech weaponry?
although Bats seemed battle-ready he did just barely survive that plane crash and he had to climb all those stairs. I'd be exhausted too.

[AnavelGato86]

I dont think he was really fat. He was bulky however, and then wearing an even bulkier jacket. So that would make him look even bigger than he is. And to actually answer the question.

Brute ****ing Force. No matter how good you are, your gonna find it a hard time to land a painful blow on a 280 pound guy when he's expecting it.

[spiderpapo]

That was lame. How can a fat, wheezy thug beat seven shades out of one of the world's greatest martial artists, equipped with combat armour and a cache of high tech weaponry?
His plane had just crushed, remember he knew he didn´t have a chance to beat the thug, so that´s why he had to beat him the eay he did.
Bob Kane wanted a hero who could get hurt.
I loved the fights between Batman and Catwoman, and the dialogue:
Batman.- Somebody said fish, i haven´t been fed all day.
Catwoman.- Eat floor, high fiber!
Catwoman.- Hey stud, I thought we had something together.
Batman.- We do!

[The Guard]

The whole "How can Batman get his butt kicked by a thug in the cathedral" thing...

He did crash The Batwing. He did look burnt, he was bleeding, and he was clearly injured. Odds are he had some cracked ribs (I think the novel says this), and he was limping pretty good. He climbed up all those stairs, and that cathedral thug had a good 100 pounds of muscle on him. And he still put up a good fight. He took blow after blow after blow and didn't go down. He was quick, managing to duck and dogde quite a bit and land some blows of his own. His drive was apparent in that scene. That's one reason I like it so much.

[spiderpapo]

The whole "How can Batman get his butt kicked by a thug in the cathedral" thing...

He did crash The Batwing. He did look burnt, he was bleeding, and he was clearly injured. Odds are he had some cracked ribs (I think the novel says this), and he was limping pretty good. He climbed up all those stairs, and that cathedral thug had a good 100 pounds of muscle on him. And he still put up a good fight. He took blow after blow after blow and didn't go down. He was quick, managing to duck and dogde quite a bit and land some blows of his own. His drive was apparent in that scene. That's one reason I like it so much.
that´s why I like it too http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/batman.gif

[spdrknight]

Batman is hardcore... the guy could have a broken leg and he would still get in there and fight. That is just his character, he is determined.

[Catman]

The past four films have many memorable fights scenes especially the first one. The problem is that the fights aren't exactly that well choreographed. The fight scenes were very well stages and had a good idea behind them, but the choreographing could have been better in a couple of scenes.

It's like the car chase scene. It was good, but could have been better. However, it was still memorable.

[The Guard]

All four car chase scenes have something to offer that hadn't been seen before or since. BEGINS will expand on that, which is cool.

[Sabotage8475]

What some fail to realize is that in Burton's films they weren't action sequence, just for the sake of being action sequences.. but the means for Burton to slowly drive home the idea to the audience Batman's rather ambigious morality, and his unstable nature (you can certainly see this in they way they were filmed) Perhaps the main agenda that runs through both films. Wether or not you pain attention to this or care will certainly effect the way you view the films. Perhaps a psyhological study and exploration (quesitioning - the main thing Burton does towards Batman's actions) of the character was too much for the fans, as some wanted something more fun, more basic, and adventure-esque in terms of story. This I can understand. God knows I wanted the same thing a few years back when these films didn't mesh with what I wanted from a Batman film. Today, it's a different story. Instead of focusing with what I wanted to see, I started focusing on what Burton was trying to do and his aim with the character and the films. It's very easy to get blinded by such a thing. All you have to do is be a little more open-minded. It works. :)

[hey yo its sean]

No memorable fight scenes? This is another one of those things I shake my head at when people mention them.

BATMAN

-Batman fights Joker's thugs and takes out abotu four of them in thirty seconds or so. Then, Batman fights the sword-wilelding thug with his gauntlets and bootplates. He then kicks the guy to end the fight.

-Batman battles The Joker's thug in the cathedral, in a fight where Batman ends up using the bell to his advantage, leaping around, being thrown, rolling around, and getting the crap kicked out of him but still coming out on top.

-Batman kicks The Joker's ass, with a memorable speech to boot.

BATMAN RETURNS

-Batman battles no less than three or four thugs, taking them out in a display of martial arts prowess. Then he uses his batarang in what is certainly a memorable moment.

-Batman VS Catwoman, while short and sweet, was pretty interesting, and displayed some skill on both their parts.

BATMAN FOREVER

-Batman bursts out of an elevator when he should be dead, takes on a bunch of thugs who obviously have some skill, using various gadgets and martial arts, and a large degree of resourcefulness.

-Have some of you already forgotten the scene where he crashes through a damn skylight, lands in a fountain, and proceeds to kick ass at the Ritz Gotham?

BATMAN & ROBIN

-Batman and Robin battle on the ice. On skates. While it's not particularly "good", don't tell me it's not memorable.

-Batman VS Freeze. A fight that involves Batman swinging around on his wire, swinging into Freeze, that kind of thing, and a good old-fashioned fistfight with a powersuit involved in the equation.

Batman is not The Matrix or Spider-Man, or even Blade. You won't see three minute fight scenes that have been set up to be such. Why? Because that's not realistic at all, and it's certainly not realistic in a being with no superpowers. And it's never been part of the comics, unless Batman is fighting someone with superb skill, like Shiva or Ra's Al Ghul.

In the Batman films, you see him fight how real people fight. That's how it works, people. You dodge, duck, and throw punches, kicks, and occassionally use the momentum of your opponent against them. This is how Batman has always fought in the comics when he's not facing down against someone with serious martial arts skills (And when he did so in previous films, he responded in kind) There are no exaggerated moves in the real world, there's no slow-motion chain kicks. Just people doing what they have to do to win a fight. You'll see much the same in BATMAN BEGINS.

You may have remembered them, but it doesn't change the fact that they suck.

And that realistic fighting excuse is a cop-out. I've seen movies with fighting much more realistic than that, but 100 times more entertaining.

[Batjosh]

True, I never found any of the fight scenes amazing, but I do like how Batman only has to make simple movements with precise timing in order to do a one-hit knock-out in Burton's Batman films when it comes to Batman fighting random thugs.

Even though its not exciting, things like the classic "Batman Backfist" when someone's trying to sneak up on him just screams "pWnd!" and that was good enough for me at the time.

[gregtestagent]

The past four films have many memorable fights scenes especially the first one. The problem is that the fights aren't exactly that well choreographed. The fight scenes were very well stages and had a good idea behind them, but the choreographing could have been better in a couple of scenes.

It's like the car chase scene. It was good, but could have been better. However, it was still memorable.
oh..... shut up

[gregtestagent]

and what about the TAS? which episode do you think truly showed his combat abilities?. I don't care if were only supposed to talk about the movies!

[The Sage]

Best fighting scenes were in Batman Forever. I didn't like the fight in the cathedral with the thug in BATMAN, it wasn't good. Fight in Batman Returns with Catwoman was okay.

[Proximo]

Best fighting scenes were in Batman Forever. I didn't like the fight in the cathedral with the thug in BATMAN, it wasn't good. Fight in Batman Returns with Catwoman was okay.

I agree Batman Forever got the best fight scene's BUT... Batman dont jump down throu a skyline and start to fight, and then the crowd start to cheer at him like som freaking cheerleaders... i mean the crowd... instead of running away they stay and watch him fight.. same at the opening scene in Batman Forever when he swing out from the bridge and stop bye gordon and chase... Batman dosent do that... when hundreds of people are watching him...
Whole that movie is so wrong... but the best fighting scenes it have yes..

The fight in cathedral is good also because it really shows that Batman can get hurt.

The fight between Batman and Catwomen in returns was most silly... didnt like that as much as the fights in '89 and Forever.

[Mylord]

Forever fights were dynamic but short and silly. I was also really dissapointed that there weren't any fights witch the villians ! That really sucked.
In B89 was one turly great 1 on 1 scene.
BR had only one great fight - Batman vs The Circus. Brutal, quick fight. I liked it. That was the best of all I think.

[brainchild81]

and what about the TAS? which episode do you think truly showed his combat abilities?. I don't care if were only supposed to talk about the movies!You see the one's where he fought the ninja he knew from his days back in Japan? Those were damn good!

[brainchild81]

You'll get your chance to see it, I am sure we'll see some good fights with Bats going up against Ra's in Begins.I think and hope you're right.
I like the quick-hit fights. Batman back-fists a thug in the chemical plant, kicks the thug with the swords in the face, and does a "talk to the hand" with the guy who firsts attacks him in the cathedral.I respect your right to opinion, but those sucked. They seem cool when you're a kid, but when you grow up and see them again, they're as boring as watching grass grow. I think & hope WB realizes those quick-hit fights get old real quick.

[spdrknight]

I agree Batman Forever got the best fight scene's BUT... Batman dont jump down throu a skyline and start to fight, and then the crowd start to cheer at him like som freaking cheerleaders... i mean the crowd... instead of running away they stay and watch him fight.. same at the opening scene in Batman Forever when he swing out from the bridge and stop bye gordon and chase... Batman dosent do that... when hundreds of people are watching him...
Whole that movie is so wrong... but the best fighting scenes it have yes..

The fight in cathedral is good also because it really shows that Batman can get hurt.

The fight between Batman and Catwomen in returns was most silly... didnt like that as much as the fights in '89 and Forever.

That's the problem that I have in Forever, the fact that Batman is such a public character. He doesn't swope down and start chatting with Gordon in public, he stays in the shadows and observes things. And must bystandards would run out and get the heck away from the action and Batman would fight the thugs. It just seemed silly.

[uptonogood]

my favorite comic movie fight scene -- the hulk, when he's fighting the tanks and he's walking toward one tank with the barrel of another in his hands. short but hilarious.

[The Sage]

What does that have to do with Batman?

[Pookie Begins]

That's the problem that I have in Forever, the fact that Batman is such a public character. He doesn't swope down and start chatting with Gordon in public, he stays in the shadows and observes things. And must bystandards would run out and get the heck away from the action and Batman would fight the thugs. It just seemed silly.Exactly, he is an urban legend for a reason. :up:

[The Guard]

He's not an urban legend in BATMAN FOREVER though. He's a public figure. As he was in BATMAN RETURNS, and at the end of BATMAN. So it fits in well enough. Batman wasn't always a creature of the shadows. He used to appear in public quite a bit in the 70's and 80's. Still does, really. People just conveniently forget about him.

[spdrknight]

He's not an urban legend in BATMAN FOREVER though. He's a public figure. As he was in BATMAN RETURNS, and at the end of BATMAN. So it fits in well enough. Batman wasn't always a creature of the shadows. He used to appear in public quite a bit in the 70's and 80's. Still does, really. People just conveniently forget about him.

But it was just silly... it was like he didn't mind people seeing him and staring at him as he fought and did his thing. I don't imagine Batman going out of his way to make his presence know to the public. Plus, when some crime was happening... Batman usually didn't confer with Gordon first, he would go in and kick some butt and if he need to talk to Gordon he did it later on and not infront of everyone.

And yeah, in Returns people saw Batman but it is not like he was standing infront of them having a conversation with someone. He was out fighting and it couldn't have been avoided. And even then, he didn't stay infront of people for very long.

[Two-Face]

I agree that Batman would kick ass before talking to Gordon, In Forever Batman was like when he meets Chase and he was interested in Chase more then what Two-face was going to do. comic Batman would have dealt with Two-Face then would have meant Chase.

[The Guard]

But it was just silly... it was like he didn't mind people seeing him and staring at him as he fought and did his thing. I don't imagine Batman going out of his way to make his presence know to the public. Plus, when some crime was happening... Batman usually didn't confer with Gordon first, he would go in and kick some butt and if he need to talk to Gordon he did it later on and not infront of everyone.

He was figuring out what was going on. Confirming what he already knew. He's done it before in the comics before he goes into a situation.

As far as people staring at him while he does his thing, what are we talking about here? The opening with Two-Face or the scene at the Ritz Gotham? The whole point of being seen at the Ritz Gotham was that he was rescuing the crowd FROM Two-Face.

[spdrknight]

He was figuring out what was going on. Confirming what he already knew. He's done it before in the comics before he goes into a situation.

As far as people staring at him while he does his thing, what are we talking about here? The opening with Two-Face or the scene at the Ritz Gotham? The whole point of being seen at the Ritz Gotham was that he was rescuing the crowd FROM Two-Face.

Yeah, but like Two-Face said, he seemed more interested in Chase then he did with TwoFace.

The scene at the Ritz. Which was silly to me, all these people just stood around watching, don't you thin they would run away or take cover once Batman go there? The whole scene just bothered me, the whole movie did, it was not what I excepted.

[Proximo]

Dont forget the magasines in Chases apartment, Batman pose for Times....
Those things annyoing me! grr

[spdrknight]

Dont forget the magasines in Chases apartment, Batman pose for Times....
Those things annyoing me! grr

Exactly, it's just silly... both Forever and B&R. The camp started off slow in Forever and the came to the complete camp point in B&R.

[The Guard]

Yeah, but like Two-Face said, he seemed more interested in Chase then he did with TwoFace.

He's clearly brushing Chase off, other than the information she can provide about Two-Face, which is basically just confirming his own.

The scene at the Ritz. Which was silly to me, all these people just stood around watching, don't you thin they would run away or take cover once Batman go there?

I don't remember anyone standing around watching, I remember them scattering once he crashed through the skylight, but even if they did stand around watching, what were they supposed to do? Make a run for it and risk being gunned down? A superhero taking down an entire team of thugs isn't something you ignore.

[Proximo]

He's clearly brushing Chase off, other than the information she can provide about Two-Face, which is basically just confirming his own.



I don't remember anyone standing around watching, I remember them scattering once he crashed through the skylight, but even if they did stand around watching, what were they supposed to do? Make a run for it and risk being gunned down? A superhero taking down an entire team of thugs isn't something you ignore.

So if this was in the real world... and you was at convention and a famous murder walks in whit his gorillas, wouldnt you try to run away to "freedom" if someone else started to fight against them and take the eyes on this case Batman.

Anyway i took some screen shot and you can clearly see all the people around him... and on the second pic.. they are even cheering at him.

http://img139.exs.cx/img139/9360/snapshot200503061342085eq.jpg
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[cryptic name]

heh, that one guy's cheering. "go batman go!"

[The Guard]

Ok, seems like they did stand there and watch. But you know, if Batman crashed through a skylight to take out thugs, that's pretty much what I'd do too, I think. So would many people in the real world, simply because of the ridiculousness of the situation. That kind of mentality is just part of our culture. There's "fight" and "spectacle", and then there's "fight" and "spectacle".

[Proximo]

Ok, seems like they did stand there and watch. But you know, if Batman crashed through a skylight to take out thugs, that's pretty much what I'd do too, I think. So would many people in the real world, simply because of the ridiculousness of the situation. That kind of mentality is just part of our culture. There's "fight" and "spectacle", and then there's "fight" and "spectacle".

Well so what, Batman in the comics is a dark character and dont just swing into hundreds people and start to talk whit gordon, You got a point in the skylight scene but in the opening scene when he talks to chase and gordon you can clearly see all the people around.

Whole this movie have many flaws... im not gonna start talking about B&R

[regwec]

In Hush, Batman and Catwoman take down Harley Quinn and her mob in front of an entire opera audience.

[The Guard]

Exactly. There's no one interpretation of Batman. And sometimes he has to act in public.

[Proximo]

Well ofcourse he have to act whit people around also, But in Batman Forever it was just CAMPY.

When he fights in public in like animated series its not campy... those people run away from fear to get hurt..

[Kevin Roegele]

I still contend that the fight scenes in the four previous Batman movies aren't very good. Guard old buddy, you're right when you say they have some good ideas behind them. Keaton/Burton's way of Batman fighting, ruthless, efficient ass-kicking was very cool, but was as much to do with the restrictions of the costume as anything stylistic.

This restriction meant the fight scenes had to be pared down to a mimimum - Batman punches thug one, cut, Batman kicks thug two, cut. And what you say about Batman films featuring real people, fighting with real skills - that doesn't actually mean a lot in movies. Look at Indiana Jones, martial arts movies, James Bond, Die Hard, the list goes on and on. The Blade movies have some fantastic fight scenes where Blade never used his superpowers, just his martial arts. You can create a thrilling fight scene with just two guys, no weapons or powers. But there are none in the Batman movies so far.

[GuestStar2004]

no offence to anyone but

saying that batman forever having alot of flaws makes me think that batman returns also had some flaws of it own..

ok yes it did look cool but i could never understand why he had bat signals all around his manor that point into his window, now its been a while since i seen batman returns but thats not the best way to keep a secret! is it

then you got a load of penguins marching through gotham (anough said)

but i don't let things like that bother me :)

if you want realistic then wait for batman begins

[spdrknight]

ok yes it did look cool but i could never understand why he had bat signals all around his manor that point into his window, now its been a while since i seen batman returns but thats not the best way to keep a secret! is it


True, the whole Batsignal thing was kinda weird... but it was cool too.

[brainchild81]

If by "cool" you mean "dumb", then yes it was very cool.

[spdrknight]

If by "cool" you mean "dumb", then yes it was very cool.

No, I mean the shot and scene were cool... but the idea of it is weird, you would think people would notice Bat signals shining into Wayne Manor.

[BatmanRules33]

first off, wayne manor seems to be aboslutly nowhere near anybody, its just in the middle of nowhere, kinda. kinda reflects batmans personality, a loner, not alot of ppl around, so there wouldnt BE any need to worry about ppl seeing the batsignal shine through his house. plus, did anyone think of WHY maybe he actually had those signals all around his house? cuz the batsignal is so far out that bruce or alfred would not always be able to see it, so when it DID shine in gotham city, they kinda act like a remote control, turning on the "sensor" batsignals around his house, plus, the batsignals are not in the open, they are hidden aloft on the roofs of his house, so NOONE eve if ppl lived nearby, would be able to see it, let alone see it shine through the house (it doesnt even shine outwards, but inwards, go figure).

srry to get off topic, but since you ppl have to bring this up, i though i'd clear this up the best i can.

[The Guard]

Eh, the whole "miniature-signal" thing is just a clever way of having Bruce alerted to the signal when he's inside and not near a window or something. Much cooler than a beeping alarm or something.

[Carmine Falcone]

Much cooler than a beeping alarm or something.

Or Alfred anwsering the bat-phone...:p

[BatmanRules33]

^dumb.

[zimtk15]

The best are in Forever, especially the fights with Two-Face's thugs. Apart from the super thug in the cathedral in the B89, two-face's thugs were thugs that actually could fight. They seemed tough, like the one who lifted batman up (where batman took him down in the end) and the one who grabbed and lifted up Batman. How strong must we have been to do that, especially when in a heavy batsuit (look at the thug's bulging biceps!). The only reason they lost was because of Batman's gadgets (like the blue electric gun and the batarang).

[Comic Book Boy]

I liked the fights in MOTP:

The motor gang fight was great, the beginning fight, the Joker on the jetpack fight....All of them were very well done.:batman::up:

[Kevin Roegele]

What some fail to realize is that in Burton's films they weren't action sequence, just for the sake of being action sequences.. but the means for Burton to slowly drive home the idea to the audience Batman's rather ambigious morality, and his unstable nature (you can certainly see this in they way they were filmed) Perhaps the main agenda that runs through both films. Wether or not you pain attention to this or care will certainly effect the way you view the films. Perhaps a psyhological study and exploration (quesitioning - the main thing Burton does towards Batman's actions) of the character was too much for the fans, as some wanted something more fun, more basic, and adventure-esque in terms of story. This I can understand. God knows I wanted the same thing a few years back when these films didn't mesh with what I wanted from a Batman film. Today, it's a different story. Instead of focusing with what I wanted to see, I started focusing on what Burton was trying to do and his aim with the character and the films. It's very easy to get blinded by such a thing. All you have to do is be a little more open-minded. It works. :)

Wow, excellent observation. I honestly never noticed this before.

Sabotage8475 has the best point and no-one even comments on it.

[Be_Buddy]

I thought the fight scenes were really good. wat people don't get is that burton's batman was a bad ass. he didn't have to do all that kung fu and flips and stuff to beat up the bad guys. one or two punches or kicks would do the job. bats was just being economical with his punches.

[P. Cushing]

Exactly. Just like in the comics.

[brainchild81]

But he's had good fights in the comics.

[Two-Face]

BATMAN 89

Batman fights the one of the chinese or Japanese guy in a alley
I thought were good fights and batman fights Joker's goons in the catheral

BATMAN RETURNS
Batman fights Penguin goons in Gotham alley.

BATMAN FOREVER
Batman fights Two Face goons in the bank then again in Edward Nygma's party.
Bruce fights two Face goons in the circus.

[brainchild81]

Batman has fought people who can "give him comp" in the books. In the movies, he hasn't. He's mobile in the books whereas he stays in one place most times in the movies. From what I've seen of Begins I expect @least 1 good fight.

[MatchesMalone]

^ The bald henchman in the cathedral belfry gave him a run for his money. That was a good fight scene. Of course, Batman had just crashed into the street...

[brainchild81]

Exactly.

[KenK]

^ The bald henchman in the cathedral belfry gave him a run for his money. That was a good fight scene. Of course, Batman had just crashed into the street...

Shoot, dude probably had internal bleeding! Maybe even cracked ribs, And he STILL kicked their asses!! (except Lawrence, the priest dude, since he just fell through the stairs!).

[The Guard]

Don't forget he climbed up all those stairs, too...he was quite a trooper in BATMAN. Seriously. People ***** about never seeing any grit from him, and it's right there.

[Sparda_Pain]

They should do it like the street fight in that movie: They Live...what a brutal street fight that was

[brainchild81]

That was a Damn good fight. You should see the Jimmy VS. Timmy fight on South Park. It was based on "They live"

[MatchesMalone]

"Put On The Damn Sunglasses!!!!"

[brainchild81]

"Or start eating that trash can"

[brainchild81]

The new name for this should be "No genuinely good fight scenes in any of the five films"

[Proximo]

The new name for this should be "No genuinely good fight scenes in any of the five films"

Why? Isnt their good fights in Begins?

This thread is so stupid to, because it actually had good fights in the old movies.

[brainchild81]

Why? Isnt their good fights in Begins?Have you seen it?

This thread is so stupid to, because it actually had good fights in the old movies.If the thread is "so stupid", why post in it?

[Proximo]

Have you seen it??
Yes i have seen it, i just asked why you counted in Begins when their good fights in that to.

If the thread is "so stupid", why post in it
This thread is "stupid" because their is good fights in Begins and the old movies, And when i was reffering to stupid thread i ment the "stupid" and pointless thing you write to add up more discussion.
The new name for this should be "No genuinely good fight scenes in any of the five films"

[brainchild81]

Yes i have seen it, i just asked why you counted in Begins when their good fights in that to.


Because im not the "stupid guy" that posts worthless fact's, Like you did.
And by that i mean... Why write something pointless like this:

-When their is good fight scenes in Begins and some decent in the old movies.Perhaps you're the "stupid guy" who still didn't answer the question. If the thread is stupid, why not just ignore it? People express opinions on forums, genius. The guy who started this thread was expressing his. I expressed mine. All you did was make yourself seem even more stupid. You must be very young. Is English your 2nd language?

[Proximo]

Perhaps you're the "stupid guy" who still didn't answer the question. If the thread is stupid, why not just ignore it? People express opinions on forums, genius. The guy who started this thread was expressing his. I expressed mine. All you did was make yourself seem even more stupid. You must be very young. Is English your 2nd language?

Like you said, People express opinions in forums, and this is my opinion, that this topic, thread is stupid. but yes the guy who started it have their opinion... and my opinion is that their is good fights in all life action movies so this thread isnt needed thats why i reffered to "stupid thread"
And no im not very young, I just dont have english as a first languege since im from europe.
"Perhaps you're the stupid guy" Now i really see who really should ignore this thread.

[brainchild81]

That's great. Bye then.

[cryptic name]

The new name for this should be "No genuinely good fight scenes in any of the five films"

there were excellent fight scenes in begins. just because the way they were edited, doesn't discredit them as good fights.

[BatMatt]

Batman Begins had realistic hard-hitting fights that were well done. They were just edited to put the viewer at eye level with the fight

[brainchild81]

there were excellent fight scenes in begins. just because the way they were edited, doesn't discredit them as good fights.Yes. It does.

[Catman]

The almighty bump!

[CConn]

I must say, I've always been quite a fan of the Cathedral fight scenes in B89. They just seemed to be exactly the kind of fighting Batman would engage in.

Oh, and I hate Catman with a passion.

[Catman]

Oh, and I hate Catman with a passion.

In a few days Mirko will be deleting threads that have been inactive for a year. I'm just saving some threads.

[DocLathropBrown]

Good point, Catman.

As for the original topic... I disagree. The fights in B89/BR were spectacular. BF had decent elements to them, but they lacked the verve that Keaton brought to his fights. B&R and BB? I'd rather forget those. It's easy ebcause I could see the damn fights in BB...

[mjbull23]

I have to go back to an earlier post in this thread, about BF and how un-batmanlike it was for him to descend down in the middle of a huge gathering of people, before he's about to go deal with two-face and his thugs.

Completely agree... Splashy entrances just don't fit my picture of his motus operandi... Looked great, don't get me wrong,

[Catman]

I liked the entrance in BF because in that franchise it became a bit of a trademark for Batman to do that! The best, of course, being in B89. I loved how Joker said "Boo" to Vicki then suddenly Batman comes crashing through the window, saves Vicky, and gets the f--k out of there! That was awesome!

[mclay18]

The cathedral fight scene in B89 was entertaining, but it just wasn't exciting in terms of choreography. In fact, I was just laughing at how stupid the Joker's goons were and marveling at the photography. I forgot most of the action scenes from BR, save for the ones involving Catwoman. The fight sequences in BF and B&R were perfunctory but excessive and not that exciting. I did enjoy the fight between Poison Ivy and Batgirl in B&R, but that was because Silverstone and Thurman were in a catfight.

I'm going to defend the fight sequences in BB, though. Christopher Nolan wanted his version of Batman to attack criminals suddenly and unexpectedly, hence the majority of the fight scenes being chopped up. If you've watched the movie repeatedly like I have, you can see who's hitting who. Even so, the fight sequences were exciting -- the climax on the monorail was the best action scene in the film.

[Joker]

I really enjoyed the Batman/Catwoman fights.

[El Payaso]

There just aren't any memorable, exciting fight scenes. Sure, the scuffles with thugs in Batman are decent, but Burton has never been an action director. The clashes with Catwoman are snappy but brief. Batman Forever has a very disapointing face-off between Robin and Two-Face, and Batman doesn't even fight Two-Face or the Riddler! We know Two-Face can fight, and the Riddler not only has that cane, but he's downloaded the memories of millions of people. Including Batman himself. So he should be able to put up a decent fight. In a comicbook movie, that makes sense. Forever could have been so much better with a two vs two climax, which would be the perfect symbolic conclusion to a movie all about duality.

Then we have Batman & Robin, which ironically does have climactic showdowns, Batgirl against Poison Ivy, Batman against Freeze, Batgirl and Robin against Bane, but they are all lamer than a $20 fanboy production.

On the contrary, there's very good fighting in all of those movies. Maybe B&R is the exception, I haven't seen that in a long time for my own good.

That was lame. How can a fat, wheezy thug beat seven shades out of one of the world's greatest martial artists, equipped with combat armour and a cache of high tech weaponry?

Because the thug was not fatty but muscular and Batman is human. Which btw is one of the greatest things about the character. He can be beaten.

there were excellent fight scenes in begins. just because the way they were edited, doesn't discredit them as good fights.

The editing is precisely what discredits them. And by discredit I mean ruined poorly and tragically. Easy the worst fight scenes in the whole 5 Batman movies since 1989. Virtually non-existant.

[Agentsands77]

There just aren't any memorable, exciting fight scenes.
It's really true. There are a few that are passable (they're still rather clunky because of how much the suit hinder Keaton, Kilmer, and Clooney), but any really thrilling, pulse-pounding fight scenes? Nope.

[El Payaso]

It's really true. There are a few that are passable (they're still rather clunky because of how much the suit hinder Keaton, Kilmer, and Clooney), but any really thrilling, pulse-pounding fight scenes? Nope.

Really thrilling, pulse-pounding fight scenes? Maybe not. It depends on what pounds your pulse. For that matter not in any Superman film either.

Genuinely good fight scenes? Oh yes.

[Agentsands77]

Really thrilling, pulse-pounding fight scenes? Maybe not. It depends on what pounds your pulse. For that matter not in any Superman film either.
Well, I'm no big fan of the Superman franchise (of the films, I only really like SUPERMAN RETURNS, though I understand that's the minority opinion around these parts), but it doesn't mean that there couldn't be a thrilling, pulse-pounding fight. By all means, the Zod and Superman encounter would ideally be one of the most intense, brutal fights even captured on screen, but on a truly epic scale.

Genuinely good fight scenes? Oh yes.
What are you using as your criteria for a "genuinely good" fight scene?

To me, I thought the fights lacked drama and impact, were often there purely for comedic effect, and looked awkward and/or clumsy because of how oddly Batman had to move (Batman looks stiff as a board most of the time, especially in B89 and BR - look at BR's Batman maneuver where he bends over at the waist and spins around rather slowly... ugh).

I mean, honestly, there's nothing in any of the Batman films the equivalent of the Red Grant/James Bond train car fist fight from FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE, and there really should be. An intense, violent encounter as both go toe-to-toe. The fights in B89 and BR were about as convincing as the Roger Moore fight scenes in his Bond films - sometimes fun, but hardly great work.

[cryptic name]

Yes. It does.

i must've missed the memo stating your opinion has any effect on mine.

[GoogleMe94]

nah the fight scenes in B89, Returns and even forever were much better then the begins fights. the scene in Forever where batman is being held by those 2 thugs and yet manages to lift his legs and kick that other thug in front of him, thats memorable. begins was just a mess as far as the fight scenes go. maybe the actual fights WERE good, but thanks to horrendously bad editing, you couldnt see a damn thing in the final product. i still dont get what happens after batman shoots his grapple at some nija guy, then all of a sudden hes flying over the edge, like wtf just happened? its kinda hard to enjoy fights when you cant even make out what is happening. i much prefer batman kicking one thug in a dramatic one kick blow then someones leg mysteriously disapear from view before a kick.

[Leenie]

I have no particular comments about Batman Forever and Batman & Robin, because I haven't seen those films in YEARS, and I have no desire to see them again anytime in the future. So, I'll move on ...

Batman had some good fight scenes, and it's not because of the choreography; it's because of the personality. It was entertaining to watch Batman and Joker duking it out. In my opinion, the action isn't what made Batman, it was the story and the characters. It didn't need to have the greatest actions scenes ever.

The action in Batman Returns, I believe, goes through a downward spiral as the movie progresses. The very first action scene was great, and the last one was laughable (and not in a good way). The penguins with the rocketpacks were an insult to my intelligence. Sorry, Tim Burton.

I'm expecting people to blast me. My apologies, I'm not too kind when it comes to Batman Returns. I think it's a decent movie, but I think it's very far from great ...

[brainchild81]

i must've missed the memo stating your opinion has any effect on mine.Don't worry. I'll tell them to send it out again:)

[Kevin Roegele]

A good fight scene is not down to simply down to choreography or spectacle; it's about how exciting it is. Simply, you should be sitting there on the edge of your seat, feeling with every second that someone could be killed.

Most of the fights in the Batman movies aren't exciting because they are simply Batman taking down endless thugs. There is never any suggestion they have any chance of defeating him, rarely even landing a blow themselves.

Batman Begins does this better, because when Batman fights Ras' ninjas, they do have menace. Although ultimately they are just henchmen like the Joker's goons or Two-Face's thugs, you do believe they could pose serious threat to Batman.

Atleast Batman does encounter atleast one worthy physical foe in most of the movies; in Batman, it's the final one of the Joker's goons, a very Indiana Jones-like fight. In Returns there is Catwoman. And in B&R you have both Bane and Mr Freeze. One of the problems with Forever is that no-one can touch Batman in the fighting department. Ideally, the Riddler, having downloaded the brainwaves of Bruce himself, should be able to fight as well as him.

[Kevin Roegele]

Don't worry. I'll tell them to send it out again:)

Can you make sure I get a copy please?

[mclay18]

Really thrilling, pulse-pounding fight scenes? Maybe not. It depends on what pounds your pulse. For that matter not in any Superman film either.

Genuinely good fight scenes? Oh yes.

What you classify as heart-pounding, thrilling action scenes in your opinion? I'm not being sarcastic, just curious.

[Furious Styles]

I always loved the whole "Why can't you just die?" scene in Batman Forever when Two Face blasts Batman straight to hell. And only Robin rescues a helpless Batman from being buried alive.

Kinda cool scene.

[Kevin Roegele]

I always loved the whole "Why can't you just die?" scene in Batman Forever when Two Face blasts Batman straight to hell. And only Robin rescues a helpless Batman from being buried alive.

Kinda cool scene.

Not fight scenes though.

[Furious Styles]

Not fight scenes though.

No, no it's not.

[El Payaso]

What you classify as heart-pounding, thrilling action scenes in your opinion? I'm not being sarcastic, just curious.

Scenes that get your heart pounding and make you get thrilled. And I'm not being sarcastic either.