KMC comix

[Zeb Oswalt]

http://trax.to/kissmecomix (http://trax.to/kissmecomix)


:unishr: It's a cool Comic Company with Cool heroes. Bounty Hunter being my fav. Strait up reg Super hero. Well, save he's not like most hero's personality wise. And he has cool powers. They put a cool new Spin on this Guy. And They Have Serenity. She Like a cross between the Bride from Kill Bill, Electra & Kabuki. Thanx for your time.

[Elijya]

well, thanks for stopping by and spamming


you're pencils need ALOT of work, and you guys need to learn the concept of backgrounds. have you ever even read a "how to draw" book? I'm not making fun, but you guys lack alot of basic skills that books will teach you

[Zeb Oswalt]

well, thanks for stopping by and spamming


you're pencils need ALOT of work, and you guys need to learn the concept of backgrounds. have you ever even read a "how to draw" book? I'm not making fun, but you guys lack alot of basic skills that books will teach you
Hi thanx FOR RESPONDING TO THIS POST. I wasn't Spamming the board. Just noting one of the Many Indy Comics out there. Mr. & Ms. Jenkins. Do have a style different from mainstream Comics. Still art is subjective. I find it to be two fresh approaches and very interesting. Still each comic is seen differently for different people. And I respect your opion. I just find their comics very cool and like their style of art. It's just different from the main stream. Yet very good. And for those in the mood for a qultiy comic that has a unique approach should check them out. Their very good. I like their comics. Some people like picoso some like Vango and others like Rembrant. All equally good art styles yet very different. And I hope more people read their Comix. KMC is quite good. Thanx for your time.

[Elijya]

:rolleyes:

dude, I just don't believe you. If you're not them, you know them or work for them, or something

[DBM]

Wow.

That's all I can think.

But of course, that's "Wow, I didn't realize things could be that bad."

I've got to agree with Elijya, the art sucks. I don't understand how anyone could say that is good.

I'll agree that it's "different." If by different you mean "Drawn by an 8 year old."

I'm a huge fan of indy work and I buy a lot of it, but it has to be good for me to spend my money on it.

[Guyverjay]

http://pages.prodigy.net/kiss-me-comix/bountyhunter.htm

Geez the "art" on that cover is just plain awful. My art is a billion trillion times better than that and I suck:up:

[Elijya]

I wouldn't call it bad artwork, I'd call it beginers artwork

[Guyverjay]

No, I'm a beginner my stuff craps all over that.


Thats called "Wipe my ass with a piece of paper" artwork:up:

[Zeb Oswalt]

Thanx Every one for replaying. Again It's a different style. It probably won't be very ones cup of tea. Yet it is a good style. It's just different. I like it. Very well thought out. It's just a different style. I think it's a great style. Verry talanted. Just not the typical Comic book style. Thanx for your time. :supes:

[Elijya]

no, THESE are different styles

http://images.comicbookresources.com/previews/marvelcomics/powers/015/POWERS015004-005_col.jpg

http://www.afn.org/~afn31010/jpg/jl_xmen.jpg



This is bad, untrained 2nd grader's art versus practiced skilled art

http://pages.prodigy.net/kiss-me-comix/IMAGES/lynxpic.jpg


http://shopping.animazing.com/gallery/alex_ross/rnrdist_1793_8874711.jpeg

[DBM]

Thanx Every one for replaying. Again It's a different style. It probably won't be very ones cup of tea. Yet it is a good style. It's just different. I like it. Very well thought out. It's just a different style. I think it's a great style. Verry talanted. Just not the typical Comic book style. Thanx for your time. :supes:

It's not really a different style. I see it all the time.

When I volunteer in the pre-school class at church.

[Elijya]

I still laugh at this thread. Did this guy really think this was nothing more than a "different style"?

[DBM]

I forgot about this thread. It is funny.

I'm not usually that mean but boy do those comics suck.

[Elijya]

hey, at no point in this thread was I trying to be mean. but sometimes the truth hurts

[Elijya]

bump because it's still sad 8 months later...

[Lackey]

poor guy :(


it's like those people on American Idol that suck, sometimes you just feel sorry for them because they actually think they're good

[Rizpower]

Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha

[FEAR THE BAT]

Not to toot my own horn but I can draw better with my toes.

But I gotta admit they've got my son beat. He still has a problem with faces. He'll forget the nose every now and then, but he'll get better once he's a lil older.

Oh yeah, he's 4.

[Spider-Man9X17]

Ooooooooooooookkkkkkkkkkkkkkk. *snicker*

[Démon]

Should be "KMP Comix". "Kill Me, Please".

Hey, hey, I'm just kiddin'. I would highly suggest that those two examine an anatomical proportions book though.

[drastic_quench]

Haha, $3.00? No. Priceless.

[yenaled]

ROFL.

See, now I want to buy one....

Must resist urge to waste paycheck.

[Rizpower]

Not to toot my own horn but I can draw better with my toes.

But I gotta admit they've got my son beat. He still has a problem with faces. He'll forget the nose every now and then, but he'll get better once he's a lil older.

Oh yeah, he's 4.
He's only 4? Whiner. I go to work every day and bust my ass only to hear excuses "My Back Hurts", "My Legs hurt", "I'm only Four!". Get a job, hippy.

[X]

Bwhahahhaa. Hilarious. Till' the end of time hilarious! :D

[Elijya]

hey X, I dare you to subscribe

[Harlekin]

And I double dare ya.

[X]

God, I don't care if half the universe points their fingers at me and "dares" me to sign up, I feel unclean just looking at that friggin' site, especially some of the sad ways their trying to peddle that utter crap.

Look at this...

"Twelve year old Ryan Jenkins writes a sci-fi adventure of Jade Fielding, an up ‘n’ coming teen, pop-singer who has been turned into a cat-girl, by a crazed scientist bent on ruling the world!"

And...

"Writer Robert Boyd makes his debut in the comic world with Excessive Force!

When his company becomes corrupt, selling high-tech goods to street gangs, the man, William Evans, becomes Excessive Force, the true means of justice!

This gritty, crime drama will entice those who enjoy a modern day drama!

“I wanted to try a different story that compliments Bountyhunter, and Serenade, yet have a feel all its own”, says creator Robert Boyd.

“I don’t know exactly where I’m going to go with this yet, but I want the readers to have fun with it, as well as myself”, Robert said."

Holy ****, he calls that a debut? I call it material for people to stare at when they want to vomit, and maybe people that have terminal illnesses and want to slip into a coma. Hey, just slip them the latest copy of Kiss Me Comic (Only 2.00 dollars!) and they'll slip themselves!

Gah, put me out of my ****ing misery. NOW... :mad:

[Valorman]

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Rotflmao

[masteryoda]

Their website is well done. :)



That's something right? :confused: :(

[Valorman]

NO ..it isint well done

[pyras]

I could do better comics that, and I'm flippin' only 13 years old!

[deathshead2]

Those comics wouldn't even be good enought to start a fire.

[Sarge]

I think Elijya feels some sort of bizarre affection for this thread. It seems like every time it gets bumped, he makes a reference to KMC in some way in another thread. :D

That said, their site is HILARIOUS. :D

[Elijya]

what, are you kidding? of course I do! This thread is comedy gold!

[Elijya]

Thanx Every one for replaying. Again It's a different style. It probably won't be very ones cup of tea. Yet it is a good style. It's just different. I like it. Very well thought out. It's just a different style. I think it's a great style. Verry talanted. Just not the typical Comic book style. Thanx for your time. :supes:

let's see...

3 lines
257 characters
59 words
12 sentences (so an average of 5 words per sentence)
and the word "style" is used 5 times.....

[masteryoda]

NO ..it isint well done
Wel I think it's well done. :(

[Elijya]

this required a bump in honor of this guy attempting the same scam
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7037198#post7037198

[DBM]

OMG!!!!! :eek:

TheSE COMiXXX R T ROXXORRXXZZZZ!!!

ThIS s A DFFRNT Style butt (:D Haha) a GreATTTT!!111 one.

I knEW Im Gomnna by them.

[deathshead2]

Ah I like this topic it was fun to bad the kid never came back it would be fun to make fun of him again.

[drastic_quench]

I just noticed that the title of this thread is redundant. KMC stands for Kiss Me Comix, so the title is Kiss Me Comix comix. Nothing about this is good.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go use an ATM machine. I'll need my PIN number.

[Elijya]

I was gonna follow that up with a sentence made almost entirely out of redundancies, but I'm not in a creative enough mood, so here, have some fun
http://www.corsinet.com/braincandy/twice.html

[Elijya]

Bump of one of my favorite threads...

while it's not as badly drawn as Lynx, Lengis/Newonic (******* who posted that Stan Lee and other comic writers have no talent because the art in comics is the only thing that matters) posted his own web comic a few years ago on his Final Fantasy web site, and oh, it is a treat to behold. I won't link directly to it for content, but it's called Boshi comics, and is linked to from his FF page here http://finalfantasy10.coolfreepages.com/

[kissmecomix]

To the respondents of this thread:
I am Rod Jenkins creator and primary artist of Bountyhunter.
First, I wish to thank all of who have looked at our site, and have made your comments.

You have chosen your targets for criticsm very well! And obviously you make comments without reading any of the background. (I won't assume any of you read about Lynx), or who created the story. If you do not like our art fine, but I also see that there weren't any comments about Serenade, why? Art done by a woman is not worthy of your commentary?

We never said that we were the next coming of the Big Four. Kiss Me Comix has been and always will be a work in progress. And for those of you who say your art is better then mine, then proove it! Create your book and put it out to the masses! Get up and publish and produce numbers that beat what we do, I'll glady concede that you are better!

I also must ask how many of your out there have even bothered to pick an independent publisher book? The one's not distributed by Diamond.

One of the first things we say when you come to our site is to keep an open mind. Art is subjective regardless of the medium, and all that you all seem to notice is the typical mass marketed propaganda that the major publishers releases every month.

If you pick apart what the "hot" artists are doing there are several irregularites in each style, (show that to an art teacher in any art school and see what happens) but as long as it has Marvel, DC, Image, or Dark Horse you go along with the program. If you can accept them, then accept us as well!

Kiss Me Comix has been telling our stories for six years, we aren't going anywhere, and we say before you make any snap judgement about who and what we are read an issue,then if we aren't what you like then fine.

I can't judge who you are based on what you may or may not look like, don't judge us by a few panels, and based upon what you are fed by the mass market.

If you like stories that are generated by a national tradgedy, over exploitation of women, then continue to read and enjoy your stack.
You are not the reader KMC is looking for!

We are looking for readers who want a change of pace, who are tired of storylines that only hype the next upcoming movie. We never said we are the and all be all. We do say we have a story to tell, and we are not afraid to tell it. Becuase if we waited for respondents like yourselves and Diamond to deem us worthy of being seen, then we would be just like everybody else, and that is NOT what KMC is about.

[Elijya]

I'm speechless with joy

[Lackey]

Hi, Rod Jenkins. Welcome to the Hype. :yay:

[kissmecomix]

Thanks Lackey,

I invite you to watch part of our presentation video :http://kissmecomic.com/kissmecomix.asf to try and understand what we're about. As I can see that certain ones are only looking at what they want to see. It that narrow mindedness that keeps the status quo, and hampers society from evolving.

I take exception to those who only look at a few parts of a whole and judge everything is like that.
that's how predjudices are created.

[CConn]

To the respondents of this thread:
I am Rod Jenkins creator and primary artist of Bountyhunter.
First, I wish to thank all of who have looked at our site, and have made your comments.

You have chosen your targets for criticsm very well! And obviously you make comments without reading any of the background. (I won't assume any of you read about Lynx), or who created the story. If you do not like our art fine, but I also see that there weren't any comments about Serenade, why? Art done by a woman is not worthy of your commentary?

We never said that we were the next coming of the Big Four. Kiss Me Comix has been and always will be a work in progress. And for those of you who say your art is better then mine, then proove it! Create your book and put it out to the masses! Get up and publish and produce numbers that beat what we do, I'll glady concede that you are better!

I also must ask how many of your out there have even bothered to pick an independent publisher book? The one's not distributed by Diamond.

One of the first things we say when you come to our site is to keep an open mind. Art is subjective regardless of the medium, and all that you all seem to notice is the typical mass marketed propaganda that the major publishers releases every month.

If you pick apart what the "hot" artists are doing there are several irregularites in each style, (show that to an art teacher in any art school and see what happens) but as long as it has Marvel, DC, Image, or Dark Horse you go along with the program. If you can accept them, then accept us as well!

Kiss Me Comix has been telling our stories for six years, we aren't going anywhere, and we say before you make any snap judgement about who and what we are read an issue,then if we aren't what you like then fine.

I can't judge who you are based on what you may or may not look like, don't judge us by a few panels, and based upon what you are fed by the mass market.

If you like stories that are generated by a national tradgedy, over exploitation of women, then continue to read and enjoy your stack.
You are not the reader KMC is looking for!

We are looking for readers who want a change of pace, who are tired of storylines that only hype the next upcoming movie. We never said we are the and all be all. We do say we have a story to tell, and we are not afraid to tell it. Becuase if we waited for respondents like yourselves and Diamond to deem us worthy of being seen, then we would be just like everybody else, and that is NOT what KMC is about.Hey, Rod...man. I just want you to know, I'm a big fan, and if you ever need some help in the art department, I'll be glad to lend my considerable services.

Here's a sample of my art. I think it would be just perfect for your books:

http://img2.imagepile.net/img2b/931stick_man_a.bmp

[kissmecomix]

HEY CConn, I bet if you computer colored it and presented it to Diamond it would probably be picked up by them.

Once again you are taking one thing from KMC and saying this is what we do, (Kind of like Bush and the whole WMD thing.) we have 5 titles running. Where's your assesment of Serenade? You are trying to lable us as a whole and that is prejudiced! That is like saying your are an arrogant, narrow minded American based on the fact that you live in America.

and if you have so much talent then once again put up or shut up, bring your best! I've had my work reviewed by those who have been in this business for over 15 years some of it good, some not, they see poetrntial. So I'm going to keep trying, keep pushing, and continue refining what I do, there are those out there who like what I do, those who don't. I'm not going to fall out if I don't impress you. Whay you think or feel will not stop KMC from striving.

We have been hearing from your kind for over 6 years, and guess what? we're still here, and will continue to be here.

and if you think some of those "hot" artist are at their best, then you know nothing about what being an artist is about. A true artist is never satisfied with their skill. They, keep improving revising.

You can't see it. Why? Simply, you believe what the marketing gurus tell you, like sheep. You spend your money on what they tell you is good or the "in" thing without no question, If they were so perfect and so talented then why are reader numbers slowly going down the toilet?

Why are the Big Four trying to make money by pushing movies? And if you think Marvel started being the way they are now, the walked before they crawled.

So where's your book? What are you doing besides being the typical market bred and fed fanboy, who is the perpetual slave, keeping the number crunchers happy?

We have our story to tell, and we're not afraid to tell it. If you wish to see only one part of KMC that is entirely up to you. We want people who aren't afraid to actually look around, 'kick the tires' as it were and see where we are going, what we are doing.

That is why there is such a thing as variety, and one person's view or opinion doesn't rule the world, nor this industry.

[drastic_quench]

Thanks for bumping this old thread. I needed a laugh.

[Darthphere]

Rod Jenkins is a true professional. :up:

[Darthphere]

By the way Rod, its spelled "because" as a writer, you should know that.

[Lackey]

I get the feeling he's not from the U.S. :huh:

[kissmecomix]

Lackey,

I'm born and bred in the U.S.A, however, I've had the pleasure to go outside this country and see what's outside the borders. I got to experience what is on the other side away from the propaganda the government spits out to keep the masses content.

as far as the misspellings, I have a lot to say with long thoughts, my hands don't always move fast enough. As far getting a good laugh, once again I ask why don't you comment about Serenade? Why do you take on parts and say it is the whole?

We take what we do seriously, for us this is no joke, no hobby! We work hard to do what we do, and we are a work in progress. What books has anybody that has commented done? Do any of you read any independent books besides those distributed by Diamond? There's a whole another world in comics as in life. I recommend you try both and experience something beyond your own borders.

As far as professionalism is concerned, if you want to criticize it can be done professionally, and from what I see from the commentary here, there wasn't any professionalism on any level.

Normally I would keep things above the table, but seeing how biased and hypocritical this thread has been, professionalism is not warranted. I have seen worse art that has been on the bookshelves distributed by Diamond, and was selling so, before you call someone a joke, look at what else at your local shop.

If you wish to continue to Bash us sight unseen, that is certainly your God given, right living America. Remember that the same can be done unto you as well.

[Elijya]

This is an online forum, where all fans - be they sympathetic, critical, abrasive, nice, mean, whatever - are free to express their opinions within a reasonable degree of civility, which people in this thread have. This forum is not a business, "professionalism" is not a requirement. In a way, an open forum like this will give you HONEST opinions from an array of different people, instead of someone "professionally" assessing your work and softening the blow of the truth, putting negatives in a strictly positive light. "You need a lot of work on this" is a nice, "professional" way of saying "this is terrible", really.

We have a fan art forum that's typicly dedicated to constructive criticism, if you would like, I can move the thread there - although I can tell you ahead of time, you'll hear the exact same comments: the artwork in your books, all of them, is terrible. And it's got nothing to do with being "different", or if art is subjective, or whether or not there is computer colors, or whether it's distributed by Diamond, or one of the "Big 4". Your books, all of them, are simply terrible and look like they were produced by 3rd graders. There is no malice in this assessment, I'm not attempting to be cruel, I'm being completely honest. To any rational person, they see this level of quality all the time - when their children bring it home from art class.

While I will grant you that the art in Serenade - which I don't believe was there when this thread was initially started - is a level above the rest, it is still not up to professional level. ANY of your artists, if they dedicate themselves to improvement, have the potential to be better. But none of them are anywhere close to someone else hiring them.

[IRON_Lad]

HEY CConn, I bet if you computer colored it and presented it to Diamond it would probably be picked up by them.

Once again you are taking one thing from KMC and saying this is what we do, (Kind of like Bush and the whole WMD thing.) we have 5 titles running. Where's your assesment of Serenade? You are trying to lable us as a whole and that is prejudiced! That is like saying your are an arrogant, narrow minded American based on the fact that you live in America.

and if you have so much talent then once again put up or shut up, bring your best! I've had my work reviewed by those who have been in this business for over 15 years some of it good, some not, they see poetrntial. So I'm going to keep trying, keep pushing, and continue refining what I do, there are those out there who like what I do, those who don't. I'm not going to fall out if I don't impress you. Whay you think or feel will not stop KMC from striving.

We have been hearing from your kind for over 6 years, and guess what? we're still here, and will continue to be here.

and if you think some of those "hot" artist are at their best, then you know nothing about what being an artist is about. A true artist is never satisfied with their skill. They, keep improving revising.

You can't see it. Why? Simply, you believe what the marketing gurus tell you, like sheep. You spend your money on what they tell you is good or the "in" thing without no question, If they were so perfect and so talented then why are reader numbers slowly going down the toilet?

Why are the Big Four trying to make money by pushing movies? And if you think Marvel started being the way they are now, the walked before they crawled.

So where's your book? What are you doing besides being the typical market bred and fed fanboy, who is the perpetual slave, keeping the number crunchers happy?

We have our story to tell, and we're not afraid to tell it. If you wish to see only one part of KMC that is entirely up to you. We want people who aren't afraid to actually look around, 'kick the tires' as it were and see where we are going, what we are doing.

That is why there is such a thing as variety, and one person's view or opinion doesn't rule the world, nor this industry.

name me one artist thats getting published by the "Big Four" thats worse than this. I mean really, do you have a sweat shop full of kids that draw your comics?

http://pages.prodigy.net/kiss-me-comix/IMAGES/lynxpic.jpg

[EdRyder]

-I think its important to note(dont forget funny)that Norton Antivirus labeled that webpage as "suspicious"In my browser tab.

[Mrh7448]

Rod:

While applaude your drive to produce your comics I find it very hard to believe that you don't realize how bad the art is. While granted Serenade is of better quality it is still nowhere near professional level. Judging from what is shown on your site a good number of it is probably referenced to other artwork (which is not necessarily a bad thing but not necessarily a good thing either) The rest is, well, to be perfectly blunt bad. I understand that Lynx is produced by a teen, but there is still much room for improvement and that will come with continued practice and time.

The colouring is as bad as anything else. It's flat watercolour washes which aren't even done well. Look at guys like Alex Ross, John J. Muth and Kent Williams who all produce colours in the traditional sense and are very successful. Not to mention a lot of the European Artists such as Simon Bisley and Dermott Power.

I like Mignola and Miller for their graphic quality of art, the sharp contrast. I don't like the likes of Jim Lee or Todd McFarlane, Greg Capullo etc. Alex Ross while his work is technically very sound lacks any sort of movement in his books. All artists have something they can work and they are never happy with what they produce. The number of times I've redone images over and over again.

Your books, while I can only judge the stories by the synopsis' you post on your site, however, they do sound very stereotypical of the comic book genre. Typical heroes in tights saving the world type scenarios. You claim that they are different but they all sound very cliched to me. Stories of world domination, vengeance and great evil. Not that there is anything wrong with this kind of thing but be truthful to what it is.

So my suggestion is this you need to work on the art, for all of them, either get an actual artist to work with you or go and take some or more art classes. Don't get too defensive about what people say on here, there will always be naysayers obviously you and the people you work with have certain drive which will help with success. If you're making money from it than that's all the better, but you need to realize your strengths and weaknesses and right now the weakness is in the artwork. It's not a matter of style, bad art is bad art, not to be mean.

[kissmecomix]

by whose level of professionalism do you require? Does it require a stamp of approval going through Marvel or DC.

We ask top pros fat which ever con we go to and if the work is as bad as you say then they would have told us right then and there. We aren't like everyone else nor do wish to be. Just because a paid commentary says they're good doesn't make it so.

KMC is not for everyone all we ask is that whatever your dislike is sait, but do not degrade anyone or anybody who thinks otherwise, one man's trash is anothers treasure. I regret that I swallowed the bait here you, have made your point. We will continue doing our work,pleasing those who it pleases.
You do not have to move this spot, for it would do us no good and it would further prolong the unecessary narrow views.

And once again I have to state we always said we are a work in progress, and will continue to be. Upon that I adjourn from the discussion. We will always have an open invite to actually read one of our stories we aren't below giving a freebie now and then. Then say something.

[Mrh7448]

I am by no means saying that Marvel and DC are the values we should judge by. They have hired many bad artists themselves including Rob Liefeld, Todd Mcfarlane and others. Marvel and DC have had their share of bad artists drawing for them as well.

I am not denigrating what you do. Like I say I applaude your drive, but the fact remains the artwork does leave a lot to be desired IMO. The anatomy is weak, the compositions are weak and from the pages I have seen online the storytelling is weak. This is not to say that it won't get better in the future or that you should stop producing if it's something you love, like I say if you are making money good for you. It's working for you but your artwork still needs to work and progress. I have made crits on some of the things that need work. I understand that it is a work in progress but it still doesn't come towards anything that would be generally published in even independent comics, it's not a matter of style. It is evident from the subject matter that you want to strive toward the mainstream look...that's my opinion and you can deny it all you want.

I am not meaning to be mean, but your work needs to progress. I am trying to give an honest in critique on things that could be worked on to make it better. By getting a more polished artist you might be able to sell more books. There is a lack of knowledge of anatomy, perspective, backgrounds and storytelling. I have found some samples of pages online, this is not something I'm blindly talking about.

Check out my website...www.showe-art.com I do know how to draw and it took me a long road to get there.

[Elijya]

fixed that link for you, Mrh

Rod - the KMC books were displayed here, and a group of people shared their opinions on the quality of the work. You can't discount them simply because they differ from your own opinion (which is highly biased, since they're your books) or sweep every dissenting voice under the rug under excuses like "it's not for everyone", "people are being hypocritical", "well what books have YOU produced?" These are just excuses, really, and while some may have merit, at a certain point, when you dismiss every opposing opinion, even the constructively critical ones, you enter into an area of, well, self-delusion

[Mrh7448]

Thanks Elijya...and well put.

[Elijya]

you do great stuff, you're very versatile. I assume you're in art school?

[Elijya]

if you're serious about running a comics company, then you NEED to listen to opinions, especially the negative ones, and do what you can to improve the quality of the work your company produces. That's the only way your company will grow

Many comic artists can produce 2 comic pages a day - and they work on just those two pages ALL day, for hours and hours, to make them look as good as they do. 4 hours on just one page. Can you honestly comparing the quality of someone like Jim Lee, Bryan Hitch, Steve Dillon, Glenn Fabry, David Lloyd, Eduardo Risso, or Geoff Darrow, who can spend 8 hours drawing and erasing, over and over until an image is as close to perfect as it can be, to something like this which couldn't have taken the artist more than 5-10 minutes?

http://pages.prodigy.net/kiss-me-comix/IMAGES/lynxpic.jpg

[BRUTAL]

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/7963/lynxpicue4.jpg

I tried to help... but I think I made it worse.... who knew? :csad:

[doommachine]

This is just amazing.

There are just no words that can describe how completely stupid this guy is. Like, I feel this incredible urge to write a book on how everything he says is so utterly wrong, but I know there's obviously no point.

Our comics are "propoganda"? Different "style"? It's just so fantastic.

Did it ever occur to you that they make comic book movies because comics have the ability to translate really well to the big screen or because, oh I dunno, people LIKE them?

I really think the only word that can even begin to apply is one that's completely made up.



This thread is... scrumtrulescent.

[kissmecomix]

i see that the lot of you just see and don't read. Lynx is done by our then 12 yr old daughter. Just starting out and she applying what she like about Manga. How many of you read Manga? It is called being creative developing your style.

Anyhow, you all like who you like, and I like who I like Mack, Kirby, Perez Sr., Ramos just to name a few. Computer coloring has it's place, and is not the and all be all. besides, it'll never take the place of the human hand. and if there were no computers what then, the power goes off then what?

and if everythings is so right, then why are readership numbers faling? Why are they so desperate to find "the next new market" if all is right with the world? Why has Diamond become pretty much a closed shop. Everything on the racks looks and feels the same. Of course that look is what you like fine. What goes around comes around, and when this era finally techs itself out, The old way will be new again.

and you're right it is quite pointless to keep arguing. You guys are what Keeps them in business they can give you anything and you'll readily embrace it, that is what good marketing is all about.
And I have listened to various critcism from those who have reviewed our work, have any of you even read one of our reviews?

and when I get done with a book I go back and tear it apart. I'm never one to say my book is perfect, never will! But I'll check you guys later. I got work to do.

[doommachine]

Man you're the greatest. Where do you get this rhetoric? Have you even been to a comic book store?

[ComicChick]

ok, i'm going into this with a blank slate, and going only by my own thoughts.

I'm one who prefers good writing to good art, because i like to read good stories and see the art as icing on the cake so to speak. a special bonus with the story being a prize, so keep in mind I'm only talking about the summaries, I haven't looked at any art yet.

I've only read the main summaries page so far, so I'm only going to comment on them for now. I have very eccentric, eclectic tastes in just about everything, from music, to movies, to art , to books and the like, so I'm open to just about anything.

I think your stories would grab readers better if the summaries were tweaked some. I think some possible rearranging or maybe different diction and such could make some of your stories sound more enticing.

The serenade summary starts off well, but the last sentence seems fragmented. maybe a little more info or rewording would make it sound more effective.

There seems to be a bit of repetitiveness in your summaries in that they either start with the character's name , or a description of the character. In no way am I saying this is wrong, but since all your stories are placed on one page, it would be beneficial to your layout, and the stories as well, to spice their descriptions up.

just suggestions.

i read the summaries for your stories, and i'd recommend you going to checking the grammar and such. i've seen a few punctuation errors, and some possible fragmenting.

[drastic_quench]

i've seen a few punctuality errors
Yes. Fix your grammatical mistakes. The clock is ticking.

[ComicChick]

Yes. Fix your grammatical mistakes. The clock is ticking.

wow, i just reread that and can't believe i put that. my brain must be frazzled from last minute studying for my biggest exam in the morning. i really shouldn't have waited til today to start studying but it's too late to whine about it.

[EvilVillain]

they are the Ed Wood of comic art.

But seriously, here Is my rant. If this book is in fact drawn by your 12 year old. Then you need to take her away from comic books and sign her up for real art classes. If she has a passion for drawing and a natural talent (that is completely subjective) then you owe it to her. Giving her a pencil and paper and absolute freedom as well as your constant praise is only detrimental. Meaning? Do not print her drawings and tell her she is wonderful and better than everyone else etc etc. My mother was an University art instructor. Before I was copying images from comic books, I was drawing apples on a table, life drawings of models et al. Then I copied comics and then I learned the fine art of it. This all led me to art school, where I was able to fine tune everything so that now, I can draw what I want with the skill to back it. It is a process.

As for computer colors, I do not buy your arguement. A computer is as much a tool as a pencil. There are some amazing guys doing this work, who trained and studied, unlike you. They have equal understanding as a painter of light and shadow and tone. Do not make point blank statements like this. It makes you look like a moron.

My rant is done.

[Dew k. Mosi]

everyone needs to calm down in here

The Lynx comic is done by a child, and whether or not you were a better artist at 12 has no relevancy on this issue. I admit when I saw the picture I thought "Looks like a kid did it" and I snickered. It ceased to be funny when I found out a kid did do it. There is no reason for the girl to continue writing and drawing if her early efforts are slammed.

if you can critique these books in a respectful manner, you may post here. If you want to piss off kissmecomix then you can find somewhere else to do it.

[Kool-Aid]

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/765/ligerxl7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Mrh7448]

i see that the lot of you just see and don't read. Lynx is done by our then 12 yr old daughter. Just starting out and she applying what she like about Manga. How many of you read Manga? It is called being creative developing your style.

Anyhow, you all like who you like, and I like who I like Mack, Kirby, Perez Sr., Ramos just to name a few. Computer coloring has it's place, and is not the and all be all. besides, it'll never take the place of the human hand. and if there were no computers what then, the power goes off then what?

and if everythings is so right, then why are readership numbers faling? Why are they so desperate to find "the next new market" if all is right with the world? Why has Diamond become pretty much a closed shop. Everything on the racks looks and feels the same. Of course that look is what you like fine. What goes around comes around, and when this era finally techs itself out, The old way will be new again.

and you're right it is quite pointless to keep arguing. You guys are what Keeps them in business they can give you anything and you'll readily embrace it, that is what good marketing is all about.
And I have listened to various critcism from those who have reviewed our work, have any of you even read one of our reviews?

and when I get done with a book I go back and tear it apart. I'm never one to say my book is perfect, never will! But I'll check you guys later. I got work to do.

It's very clear that you don't wish to listen to any criticism on your work, constructive or otherwise. You use the fact that you hand colour your books as though it's the greatest selling point. If colouring is badly done whether done by hand or computer it's still looks bad. Your books don't have a good handle on utilizing that colour.

While appreciate your daughter trying (I will mention on your site you say Lynx is produced by a teen, perhaps you should put in her actual age) She still has a lot to learn. I really would suggest taking her to some lessons and let her learn how to draw realistically. By publishing her work and just telling her how wonderful her work is isn't going to help her in the long run. She needs to hear criticism in order to improve. Even Manga artist have a strong sense of anatomy, structure and movement. Let her learn the rules first so that she can know how to break them later.

I'm guessing you only listen to the good reviews. I looked for some online and haven't found much good to be said. While Serenade seems to have gotten a little bit of a decent shot. Most still seem think that the art and writing is still sub-par, even with that title.

Here are a few I have found:
http://www.collectortimes.com/2003_10/indie3.html
http://www.orcafresh.net/wonder/rv100703.html

and this one has some good things to say about Serenade, but also what needs to be improved upon.
popcultureshock.com/index.php?p=40520 (http://popcultureshock.com/index.php?p=40520)

I think you should really re-evaluate and consider these crits and find ways to improve your product, instead of just spouting the same defenses, art is subjective, difference of style etc.

[kissmecomix]

We do not "cherry pick" our reviews we take the good with the bad, and learn and move on. We are reviewed by those who are within the industry either in producing, or they have been reviewing books for over 10 yrs. We understand that what we do isn't for everybody.

What is some of you consider rhetoric is nothing more than the subliminal marketing techniques used by the major publishers. Words create a powerful image that we all pick up on. Furthermore, they constantly drill into their artist stable to draw things a certain way ( which is their right, and is why there's Image) that is permeates into a "captive audience".

I understand you don't see it that way, as far as wether we need to improve, anybody doing anything sees that. We critcize we just don't do and say it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

There's a lot of art out there that beyond comic art, all we say is that take a look without bias.

[IRON_Lad]

What about Spectrum is that done by a kid too?

[BRUTAL]

I was trying to help :(

[Mrh7448]

We do not "cherry pick" our reviews we take the good with the bad, and learn and move on. We are reviewed by those who are within the industry either in producing, or they have been reviewing books for over 10 yrs. We understand that what we do isn't for everybody.

What is some of you consider rhetoric is nothing more than the subliminal marketing techniques used by the major publishers. Words create a powerful image that we all pick up on. Furthermore, they constantly drill into their artist stable to draw things a certain way ( which is their right, and is why there's Image) that is permeates into a "captive audience".

I understand you don't see it that way, as far as wether we need to improve, anybody doing anything sees that. We critcize we just don't do and say it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

There's a lot of art out there that beyond comic art, all we say is that take a look without bias.

First off, my intention has not been to bash your art, or the others you work with. If it has come off like that I apologize for it.

There is a very big difference between style and quality. While I appreciate the fact you don't necessarily want to do the same as the big 4. If it was a simple matter of style I would not be saying as critical. I understand some people don't like my style, with the blocky type of work and strong blacks that I do, but I have a strong sense of composition, anatomy and overall knowledge of what can make a piece work. This has come from years of experience, drawing and constantly striving to better my work. I still read books on anatomy, perspective and anything that will help me get a better understanding of the world around me. I take life drawing courses and I work on still lifes. I use references when I need to.

Judging from the work I've seen these are the things you need to work on to build strength as an artist. You seem to be using the idea of style as a reason to defend your work and not taking into account the fact that, at the moment you are not a strong artist. This is not to say that this won't change with time.

As for your daughter I think she would benefit greatly from taking art courses. Over time again she will strengthen as an artist. But if you really want to cultivate her talent then you need to help her get the education required to do this. Just telling her how good she is going to be isn't going to help in the long run.

If you really want to get better then my suggestions are also to take some drawing courses, draw from life and to take life drawing. Use reference books if you don't already. Take some painting courses or find tutorials. I will say that at least some of the work I've seen has a decent sense of movement and motion that's a good thing.

It seems like this is a family endeavour so maybe you can take courses together make it a family affair.

Honestly, I don't even buy mainstream comics anymore. The closest I get is Hellboy and BPRD. The whole thing is boring and it's the same kind of thing over and over again. I will always look for stuff that is different and always will. Stuff done in Drawn and Quarterly or by Aporia press, work I've seen in Infinite Kung Fu and End Tales. Simon Bisley is one of my strongest influence and he by no means would fit the typical comic book style. Geoff Darrow, Alex Toth, Jack Kirby (of course) as well as fine artist like Tolouse-Lautrec, Gustav Klimt, Egon Schiele and Francis Bacon all lend a hand in influencing me. So I by no means am only comparing you to Mainstream comics like Marvel, Image or Dc. Again the question isn't so much about style but a certain quality.

I hope you have some success and keep plugging away at it. I still think that some of your stories may be better suited to finding a more professional look to them while you strive to better your art and are more capable as an artist.

[Aquaman]

This has to be some sorta joke. Maybe like...a hobby? Fake comic company...fake comics. Etc etc.

Either way...it needs to be stopped.

[blksuperman2]

I have not come to add to the bashing. I just want to come here and understand what is going on.

Is this for real? Do you actually publish these books? Who do you distribute to?

[kissmecomix]

To answer the questions in order, yes Spectrum is also done by a child our son Richard, and we self distribute also we have dimestoreproductions, and yes we do have subscribers. We not only just take the good reviews, we take them all into consideration and as far as reviews go you can also check out comicskins.com they have quite a few there.

We just haven't said we got comics and we're good. We took our first book, and went straight to the masses at a real comic book convention, we sold out! We baptised by fire as it were, if we didn't do good there, how can we do it anywhere else? That was 2001.

and if anyone was actually reading, every issue we do we crticize and point out the errors, and so we go back and do things better the next time. and there are tons of books distriubuted by Diamond then and now in which the art looks like "sqwiggle vision" in my eyes, but if they're there, then they saw something in it worth pushing. We don't have to wait for Diamond's blessing.

There's alot of good talent out there that you'll never see because of the system, of course at the same time a lot of folks won't take the time to look either.

We're not delusional we know we have a long way to go before we are accepted by an American market, but for those around who have supported us and took the time see what we're about it's worth it.

I feel like you're not bashing us, you are entitled to your opinions, and like the reviewers we know and we're working on it. But it'll done our way, our style, and there are certain things we like doing things, and being like everyone else.

In the end you are bashing those who like and support us, and that is who we are standing up for in the end.

[Darthphere]

You have a grudge with Diamond. What happened you showed them your comic and they laughed in your face?

[blksuperman2]

To answer the questions in order, yes Spectrum is also done by a child our son Richard, and we self distribute also we have dimestoreproductions, and yes we do have subscribers. We not only just take the good reviews, we take them all into consideration and as far as reviews go you can also check out comicskins.com they have quite a few there.

We just haven't said we got comics and we're good. We took our first book, and went straight to the masses at a real comic book convention, we sold out! We baptised by fire as it were, if we didn't do good there, how can we do it anywhere else? That was 2001.

and if anyone was actually reading, every issue we do we crticize and point out the errors, and so we go back and do things better the next time. and there are tons of books distriubuted by Diamond then and now in which the art looks like "sqwiggle vision" in my eyes, but if they're there, then they saw something in it worth pushing. We don't have to wait for Diamond's blessing.

There's alot of good talent out there that you'll never see because of the system, of course at the same time a lot of folks won't take the time to look either.

We're not delusional we know we have a long way to go before we are accepted by an American market, but for those around who have supported us and took the time see what we're about it's worth it.

I feel like you're not bashing us, you are entitled to your opinions, and like the reviewers we know and we're working on it. But it'll done our way, our style, and there are certain things we like doing things, and being like everyone else.

In the end you are bashing those who like and support us, and that is who we are standing up for in the end.

Um okay, Well good luck to you. I guess.

[IRON_Lad]

So let me get this straight, you actually put out comics drawn and written by kids and the try to sell them by calling them a "different style "?

[Elijya]

no need to be cruel, Darth

[Darthphere]

no need to be cruel, Darth


That was cruel?:huh: Fine.

[kissmecomix]

There used to be a time when comics were for children, (any fanboy worth his salt knows the story).

However due to market changes, that is no longer the story, plus I'm trying to encourage children to pursue what their talent might be despite what others may think or feel. In other words some folks like yourselves, and just because you start this way doesn't mean you'll end up on the wrong end. Plus, comics for kids by kids, not adults, who better to do something? No, special message(s). Just something for a child to read, or to help start reading.

And no I don't have a beef with Diamond,we knew going into this that we would have to do things on our own. We tried and was rejected, which came as no big surprise they said we were too rough. If we looked like everyone else then we might've been accepted who know's, but once again we've done well our own Each year we get better. Whether you on the outside see it or not. Diamond is a cartel that is generating money for those who are in the group. The recent policy changes by them virtually shuts any independent out. Which is exactly why I say the current market is a "captive audience".

We knew going into this that we wouldn't never be accepted by Diamond, they look for publishers who blend in so that the name brands will always first and foremost grabbed, regardless of who draws,colors what. I haven't seen one fan revolt over any artist of colorist at Marvel.

There is a reason why there's Image, the 'status quo' didn't suit a few people so, something new was done, in my opinion, now they are part of the 'status quo' and now everyone is into what they brought.

That's all good in fine, but the way the major publishers is not the only way, nor are they the pinnancle, all that they are right now is at the top, and what goes up, does come down.

Look, we have stated over, and over we are a work in progress. We aren't for everybody, for those who like what we do, cool. Those who don't cool, the world keeps on going, and if you like what they're doing with comics that's fine. I don't, I see a buch of uncreative people who had resort to a national tradgedy, and smut to tell a new story, and shut out their future market. but that's my opinion.

Furthermore, those who are above them with their prescripted ruts, and fear of trying something new, or changing up something, NO ONE WANTS TO BE THE FIRST TO FALL OR STUMBLE. IF that's what's selling fine, who am I to argue with the majority, but no one's forcing anyone to buy a book theirs or ours. We are giving folks a choice no more, no less there are a lot of indy publishers out there, and we may not be the best, but aren't the worst either.

We have shown our work to peers, and asked if we should continue, and if they see something to tell us to continue then who's to say any different? We know what we have to do to be better.

In all do respect, the American market is not the world market, the American market is not the only market. The main reason why things here aren't introduced into mainstream, if someone doesn't see the opportunity to make money, then things don't get done. Who knows what great breakthroughs are lying around

[doommachine]

Ok, first of all, everything you say is so utterly ridiculous that it's not even really worth it, but just to point out a few things.

1. You keep mentioning this "comicskins.com" for people to look at your good reviews, which in case nobody else looked, isn't even a real website. It's just a generic 'filler' website with a search engine and there are thousands that are just like it.

2. You go on and on about the comic book industry which you very obviously know absolutely nothing about. It's pretty apparent that you simply have some kind of inherent distrust and hatred for the "man" and are convinced that everything is some kind of conspiracy against you that you're "fighting against".

"they said we were too rough"

This has nothing to do with your "style" at all. The reason they said this is because the comic book readers of today have come to expect increasingly higher levels of art and draftsmanship in their comics, and don't (usually) tollerate anything less than perfection. Don't try and hide behind "they don't like our style". There are as many different styles as there are artists. What they don't like is mediocre work, which is what you have.

"I haven't seen one fan revolt over any artist of colorist at Marvel."

You obviously haven't met any fans whatsoever. Seriously. None. Everyone I have ever met can list off just as many names of artists they don't like in the industry as they do like, sometimes more. I for one can not stand Steve Dillon's work on Wolverine: Origins and let's not even get started on Rob Liefeld. If you want to get into your vendetta against computer colors, I could point you to just about any comic in the early to mid 90s and tell you how much the colors suck. Oversaturated and no sense of light, shadow, or mood. The computer is a tool, just like anything else and in the hands of the right person (Dave Stewart, Richard Isanove, and Clayton Crain come to mind) can produce fantastic artwork.

"There is a reason why there's Image, the 'status quo' didn't suit a few people so, something new was done,"

Image was started because a few guys wanted to write and draw their creator-owned characters, it had nothing to do with not liking the 'status quo'. And in fact they drew almost identical to each other because it sold them lots of comics. Find yourself a copy of the VHS Comic Book Greats with Stan Lee, Rob Liefeld and Todd Mcfarlane and you'll see exactly what I mean. In fact, they are pretty much the epitomy of what you claim to be opposed to.

"Furthermore, those who are above them with their prescripted ruts, and fear of trying something new, or changing up something"

You're joking right? The current staff of editors at the "Big Evil Publishing Companies" have been trying more and different things than ever before. They're doing pretty much the direct polar opposite of what you said, including publishing children's comics.


There's a lot more that I could say, but I'm tired of your one-track mind. You claim to think for yourself but you just spew out the same old garbage that was fed to you by whatever 'non-conformisty' people you hang around with. I'm not saying stop making your comics, just stop trying to get people to take you seriously and especially stop taking yourself so seriously.

Oh and one more thing...

"there are a lot of indy publishers out there, and we may not be the best, but aren't the worst either."

Yeah, I think you probably are. I don't know it for a fact and I'd be glad to be proven wrong, but yeah you probably are.

[IRON_Lad]

thank you

[doommachine]

No prob. I was just sick of him.


Correction:

I did some additional research, and it seems comicskins.com was a website but recently (some time between may and now) went down. If a copy exists of the alleged reviews (perhaps KMC was smart enough to save one), I'd love to see them.

[EvilVillain]

Ok, first of all, everything you say is so utterly ridiculous that it's not even really worth it, but just to point out a few things.

1. You keep mentioning this "comicskins.com" for people to look at your good reviews, which in case nobody else looked, isn't even a real website. It's just a generic 'filler' website with a search engine and there are thousands that are just like it.

2. You go on and on about the comic book industry which you very obviously know absolutely nothing about. It's pretty apparent that you simply have some kind of inherent distrust and hatred for the "man" and are convinced that everything is some kind of conspiracy against you that you're "fighting against".

"they said we were too rough"

This has nothing to do with your "style" at all. The reason they said this is because the comic book readers of today have come to expect increasingly higher levels of art and draftsmanship in their comics, and don't (usually) tollerate anything less than perfection. Don't try and hide behind "they don't like our style". There are as many different styles as there are artists. What they don't like is mediocre work, which is what you have.

"I haven't seen one fan revolt over any artist of colorist at Marvel."

You obviously haven't met any fans whatsoever. Seriously. None. Everyone I have ever met can list off just as many names of artists they don't like in the industry as they do like, sometimes more. I for one can not stand Steve Dillon's work on Wolverine: Origins and let's not even get started on Rob Liefeld. If you want to get into your vendetta against computer colors, I could point you to just about any comic in the early to mid 90s and tell you how much the colors suck. Oversaturated and no sense of light, shadow, or mood. The computer is a tool, just like anything else and in the hands of the right person (Dave Stewart, Richard Isanove, and Clayton Crain come to mind) can produce fantastic artwork.

"There is a reason why there's Image, the 'status quo' didn't suit a few people so, something new was done,"

Image was started because a few guys wanted to write and draw their creator-owned characters, it had nothing to do with not liking the 'status quo'. And in fact they drew almost identical to each other because it sold them lots of comics. Find yourself a copy of the VHS Comic Book Greats with Stan Lee, Rob Liefeld and Todd Mcfarlane and you'll see exactly what I mean. In fact, they are pretty much the epitomy of what you claim to be opposed to.

"Furthermore, those who are above them with their prescripted ruts, and fear of trying something new, or changing up something"

You're joking right? The current staff of editors at the "Big Evil Publishing Companies" have been trying more and different things than ever before. They're doing pretty much the direct polar opposite of what you said, including publishing children's comics.


There's a lot more that I could say, but I'm tired of your one-track mind. You claim to think for yourself but you just spew out the same old garbage that was fed to you by whatever 'non-conformisty' people you hang around with. I'm not saying stop making your comics, just stop trying to get people to take you seriously and especially stop taking yourself so seriously.

Oh and one more thing...

"there are a lot of indy publishers out there, and we may not be the best, but aren't the worst either."

Yeah, I think you probably are. I don't know it for a fact and I'd be glad to be proven wrong, but yeah you probably are.

I would have to agree. its very simple. Marvel & DC pay artists ranging from $200 per page to upwards of $1200 per page. Readers pay on average $3.00 per book. The average Marvel and Dc title sells between 50K-100K copies per month (minimum). The avrage book is 22 pages + cover. That equates to $4600-$27600 for the penciler alone for 1 book and sales of $150,000.00-$300,000.00 in sales per book per month.

Why this diatribe? Because these companies will not spend nor risk losing that kind of money for something below par. as an artist, I can say it is a very difficult industry to break into and an editor, at worst, will only accept damn good art.

So, you need to ask yourself. Would you be willing to pay at least $4600 for your penciler you have now (expect the colors and inks to double that) for that comic you publish? Do you think you can get the returns of a minimum of $150K? If not, then you should reevaluate what you are putting out and gain a more critical eye for yourself. People are not rich. The average kid spends less than $20.00 per month on comic books. That is about 6 books per month. Why would they by subpar work for their money when they can get extraordinairy books?

[Kool-Aid]

What is some of you consider rhetoric is nothing more than the subliminal marketing techniques used by the major publishers.


lol

[kissmecomix]

okay,
since most of think I'm ranting, here are the links:
http://p083.ezboard.com/fskindexfrm73.showMessage?topicID=10.topic
http://p083.ezboard.com/fskindexfrm55.showMessage?topicID=259.topic
http://p083.ezboard.com/fskindexfrm55.showMessage?topicID=251.topic
http://p083.ezboard.com/fskindexfrm55.showMessage?topicID=188.topic
http://p083.ezboard.com/fskindexfrm55.showMessage?topicID=342.topic


You have your opinions, and have mine. Like oil and water they don't mix, and there are those who take the time to see a different point of view. I'm not against computer coloring, it has its place. but it will never replace the human hand. You don't know our backgrounds, all you go by is what you like, what the market dictates you see.

If you saw our creator's portfolio you might have a different view, but then again, I doubt it, because if some of you say Alex Ross is a terrible artist, then anything along those lines you don't like as well.

I grow weary of this, I agree to disagree with you, and for the most part those of you who have been civil, I accept your criticism and once again we are working on it. You won't see the progress just by a casual glance. However, that is how most people judge things, and other people, that is human nature.

So if or when you decide to really and seriously look at what we are about then email us, I have no problem sending a copy to anyone who is genuinely interested. I see the majority of you do not keep an open mind. I also see that none of didn't visit the art gallery, nor didn't even ask about other pieces.

You have made your minds up that we are bad. You are entitled to think what you wish to think as do I. You are not the entire world wide market, there are those who like what we do, and we will find them one person at a time.
With that being said I resign from this debate, and continue to enjoy reading comics.

[ComicChick]

judge things, and other people, that is human nature.

So if or when you decide to really and seriously look at what we are about then email us, I have no problem sending a copy to anyone who is genuinely interested. I see the majority of you do not keep an open mind. I also see that none of didn't visit the art gallery, nor didn't even ask about other pieces.



i visited the art gallery. some were decent, some were not. I also checked out other pages on your site.

And while everyone else is focusing on the art, I'll leave that alone, because I don't have anything to add to that.

However, I would suggest working on the words. I've seen a lot of punctuation errors, and some sentence fragments. It would improve your comics by working on these things as well.

good luck to you.

[ComicChick]

while i am a HUGE appreciator of art, if i have to choose over good art or good storytelling, I'll pick storytelling probably 9 times out of 10.

Sentence fragments and punctuation errors detract from the story. This may not be true for everyone, but I notice them. By working to prevent them, you show the readers that you care about them, and are working on making the book great.

Printing a lot of errors makes it appear as sloppy, or rushed, or as if the publisher's didn't care to check for them. While none of these are probably the case, it's something you want to try and prevent in any form of literary work.

[kissmecomix]

while i am a HUGE appreciator of art, if i have to choose over good art or good storytelling, I'll pick storytelling probably 9 times out of 10.

Sentence fragments and punctuation errors detract from the story. This may not be true for everyone, but I notice them. By working to prevent them, you show the readers that you care about them, and are working on making the book great.

Printing a lot of errors makes it appear as sloppy, or rushed, or as if the publisher's didn't care to check for them. While none of these are probably the case, it's something you want to try and prevent in any form of literary work.

Will do comicchick, the errors have been the constant thorn in our side, and the site is due up for a tweaking anyhow. I'll put it through a grammar check up. I also noticed that your avatar is of the old stars, Barbara (creator of Serenade) has a drawing of Joan Crawford in pencil that you might like.

[ComicChick]

Will do comicchick, the errors have been the constant thorn in our side, and the site is due up for a tweaking anyhow. I'll put it through a grammar check up. I also noticed that your avatar is of the old stars, Barbara (creator of Serenade) has a drawing of Joan Crawford in pencil that you might like.

ill have to check the crawford pic out. my personal art project for 2007 is of Silver Screen Starlets. It coincides with my resolution to learn to use a tablet and how to vector.

When you do your site re-vamp, have you considered spicing up your summaries? While some sound ok, maybe some new details, or rewording would make them sound more interesting.

I noticed the majority of your summaries began with the character's names or physical description of the characters, and while there's nothing wrong with that, on your summaries page, it seems rather boring cuz they are all so similar. Why don't you try rewording or rearranging some of them?

i prefer to be positive, so I'm trying to offer suggestions to help you improve rather than dissuade you. i'm all for people trying to pursue their dreams, so good luck in the future.

[kissmecomix]

Thanks for that,
this is the kind of stuff that as the site designer, i need to hear , (THAT'S ONE OF TH' REASONS WHY I PUT A GUESTBOOK) so I can keep the site fresh and interesting.