John Byrne

[Orko Is King]

http://www.millarworld.net/index.php?showtopic=40337

[X]

God, why all of The Byrne hate? He's got different views, mans not the anti-christ or anything. I'm going to go read some of his FF, or the Last Galactus Story, screw you guys. :o :D

[batsone]

some people just walk all over their own tongues

[Knightsaber Priss]

I think there's some merit in some of the things John Byrne stated. But to drag Chris Reeves into this when his accident was clearly not something he chose to do, that's a little absurd.

[Superhobo]

Agreed.

[Movies205]

I don't think there's any merit in what Bryne saying, and I'm an open-minded guy I actually defended the Maddox article, but there something fundamentally different between this and Maddox. Maddox's site is to offend and to touch our darkest sides of humor(I actually laugh pretty hard at the MK picture of Reeves even after he died), while this deuche bag is seriously.

It is certainly true that we have an unfortunate habit of making "heroes" out of people who fell from grace -- alcoholism, drug abuse, prostitution, white collar crime -- and "fought their way back" rather than those who never fell in the first place.

Let's examine who John Bryne is first before we get to what he said, simple a JOKE in comicdom. He hasn't written or drawn anything of notoriety in the past 20 years, and most of his stuff was written out of continuity. It's quite sad the man still gets work. So he obviously struggling for any publicity, so he tries to take it from others. Now on to what he says, EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE makes ****ing mistakes some bigger than others, it's very easy to fall into all the above catagories and if someone "fights their way back or on to better things" they deserve our respect since they are heros. It's very easy to no fall into those "catagories", I know because I don't do any drugs/alcoholism so me getting a job and following my dream isn't that heroic but to the junkee or hooker that seems far away, so **** John Byrne :)

Christopher Reeves, NOTHING HEROIC about what he did? People this is the stupidest ****ing thing I've ever read, it would of been very easy to curl in a ball and shun the world. But he moved on, and if people can't see how amazing they are, then it probably means that there failures at life who are too bitter to see the amazing things people do:hellboy: and again

**** John Bryne :)

[X]

He hasn't written or drawn anything of notoriety in the past 20 years, and most of his stuff was written out of continuity.

Not true, and since when has continuity ever mattered? Some of the best comic stories of all time take place out of "continuity". The Last Galactus story by Byrne is literally up there with Watchmen.

I could care less what the man says. Almost everything said, in one way or another, has merit. It's all circumstancial. The events that have shaped your life, what surrounds you, how you were brought up. It's kind of hypocrital to point the finger and literally butcher the man because of what he's said. He's open, and has views more extreme then most people. I honestly don't ever even check into his personal life until I hear people complaining, which is quite often. Bah, I just think people need to mellow out a bit.

[logan_weapon_x]

I don't see anything wrong with what Byrne said. However the reeves thing was like WTF, where'd that come from.

[Movies205]

Not true, and since when has continuity ever mattered? Some of the best comic stories of all time take place out of "continuity". The Last Galactus story by Byrne is literally up there with Watchmen.

I could care less what the man says. Almost everything said, in one way or another, has merit. It's all circumstancial. The events that have shaped your life, what surrounds you, how you were brought up. It's kind of hypocrital to point the finger and literally butcher the man because of what he's said. He's open, and has views more extreme then most people. I honestly don't ever even check into his personal life until I hear people complaining, which is quite often. Bah, I just think people need to mellow out a bit.

No that a cop-out :) You have the right to say what ever the hell you want what you don't have is the right to say whatever you want and not be called on it. And I don't mean being arrested or anything but words are a power-ful thing. and if he going make accusations like that, then he better expect people to disagree and also agree. It comes with "having an opinion" or would you rather us all be mindless sheep that just talk out of our ass but never exchange discourse at fear of hurting another's feelings?

[Phoney Bone]

Byrne has been a stuck-up, bigoted, dumbass for a while. Because, you know, the only way to do comics is his way. He should be SHOT for that Christopher Reeve comment. Can't wait till he dies, and see what everyone says about him.

[Movies205]

Well he made a very astute observation on his boards here...

This shows a remarkable degree of naivity about
comics and fandom, if true. There are certain things
which are eternal: If two people are in love, a loud
segment of fandom will demand they get married. If
they get married, a loud segment of fandom will
demand they have a kid. If they have a kid, a loud
segment of fandom will complain that the kid is not
aging "normally". Etc, etc.

Give someone a mortal disease and a loud
segment of fandom will demand that person die.
And they will demand it over, and over, and over, and
over. . . Until the person dies. Then they will say the
death was a sales gimmick and utterly unnecessary.

And I think this is very true so he not a total waste :)

[Phoney Bone]

OH! HE'S THE LORD MASTER! NO ONE'S EVER SAID THAT BEFORE!:rolleyes:

[X]

No that a cop-out :) You have the right to say what ever the hell you want what you don't have is the right to say whatever you want and not be called on it. And I don't mean being arrested or anything but words are a power-ful thing. and if he going make accusations like that, then he better expect people to disagree and also agree. It comes with "having an opinion" or would you rather us all be mindless sheep that just talk out of our ass but never exchange discourse at fear of hurting another's feelings?

You're the guy saying "**** John Byrne" with a little cheery smiliey.

I also didn't say people don't have the right to call him on things, I said, and I quote, I coulden't care less", one way or another. I just don't think the man needs to be made out as the anti-christ. Got anything better to do then worry about what other people say all the time? Not saying any of you around her do that exactly, but the point still stands. If the man wasn't famous, no one would pay him any heed.

It's the same thing with Reeves. Sure the man made strives and did good things, but there are millions of people in this world with problems just as bad if not worse that no one cares less about. Go visit an old persons home and talk to the neglected, visit a burn center. Just because somebody has the money and center stage doesen't mean he's god. God knows I've struggled through enough bull**** in my life, as I'm sure almost everyone in this world has. I mean bad things. We don't get on a podium, we don't get to preach and have everything put under a microscope. I just don't like how some things, the differencheation.

[0 Degrees]

http://jb.24-7intouch.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2669&PN=2&TPN=2

I have noticed that people have begun referring to
Christopher Reeve as a "hero". I do not wish to take
away one iota of the courage he must have needed
not to wake up screaming every single day, but the
hard truth is there was nothing "heroic" in what
happened to him, or how he dealt with it. In fact, as
far as how he dealt with it, he didn't even have a
choice. We could imagine he spent every hour of
every day (when not in front of the cameras) begging
family members to simply kill him and get it over with
-- but none of them did, so he had no choice but to
deal with each day as it came.*

Heroism, I believe, involves choice.
*Not in any way suggesting this is what was
happening, just in case there are those who are
paralyzed from the neck up who might be
reading these words. . .
----------------------------------------------------------

You gotta be ****in kiddin me, I mean, days after the man dies, you say this. For the record, he's done more for others than you ever will. I hope John Byrne is raped by a bear.

[logan_weapon_x]

already a thread, and although his comments about reeve are wrong, i agree with his other comments.

[Cosmic]

The guy who relayed these Byrne posts to Millar's board is a very strange person. He appears to have some kind of agenda against Byrne, as he has this habit of going around to various message boards, hoping to rally people to his cause. Knowing that Byrne is not shy with his opinions, this person silently lurks his board on a regular basis, waiting for him to say anything that could be percieved in the least bit as being offensive or unpopular, so that he can relay it to other Byrne-bashers on the net. Apparently, he's been doing this for several years. Maybe he's just an annoying internet troublemaker with nothing else to do in his life, or some sad, lonely person with a grudge, who hopes to hurt Byrne's career in some way or another. What kind of person does things like this? And why would anyone even bother to take him seriously? It's mind-boggling.

[spider-neil]

I remember growing up in the 80's and byrne was the world to me.
I started reading comics after his x-men run but I picked up an issue of
alpha flight and was totally hooked. the art was amazing and not only that
it was well written as well.
I then went on hunt to collect everything byrne ever drew
x-men
alpha flight
rog 2000
marvel team up
his art along with terry austin was the best I had ever seen the lines were tight
and the inks were crisp, even when byrne went on to ink his own work the art was still amazing.
then after his superman run (still my favorite ever superman run)
his art went absolutely to the dogs, the art is terrible it looks like he draws his
comics in about 5 minutes flat and then inks with painter's brush.
It's a very sad decline for one of my heroes of the comic world
I avoid anything byrne does now (or try to)
the spider-man reboot
the jla run
doom patrol
ugh...
compare and contrast the artwork...what's a good example, I know the issue of the x-men where wolverine takes out the hellfire club with the lastest issue of doom patrol. you wouldn't believe it is drawn by the same person.
maybe byrne is just bored with comics and it is just more or less a job to him now.
sad...

[KAD]

You hit it on the head.


But he had a great run though


Try 2112 A Byrne book the way you like em

[Movies205]

The man is able to do 3-4 comics a month while everyone else struggles to just do 1 :o I dont' know his art but maybe that has something to do with it :o

[Themanofbat]

I don't think he really cares about the industry anymore.

[Spider-Kurt]

He "tweaked" himself for the milliniem as Brian Michael Bendis.

[Gambit8370]

I still like John Byrne.

Art wise.

He just does comic art in a way that makes me remember the "good ole days".

Yeah okay, the Chapter One thing was crap. But someone has done something similar since then and got all kinds of awards for the same s***ty concept.

But his JLA run & his Doom Patrol are pretty good.

And 2112 and Next Men kicked ass.

His Alpha Flight and She-Hulk were my personal favorites.

And actually his Namor was pretty good too.

I just wish he could mend with Marvel and do something good with some characters that I really love.

[Marcdachamp]

I think he and Chris Claremont sold their souls back in the '70's for talent. The catch was that, as time went on, their skills would considerably dull until they were no more. Byrne's just getting by based on his old stuff, but he knows his talents gone, leaving the bitter, cynical shadow of a man that exists to... Oh... wait. That's Gambit. Heh, sorry. :cyclops:

[fifthfiend]

First you have it.

Then you lose it.

Then it's gone.

Beautifully ****ing illustrated.

[Darthphere]

Just dont say "Supes" or "Bats" around him cause he'll bite your head off. Its happened before and it'll happen again.

[The Watchman]

Speaking of which he's doing pencils for Gail Simone's upcoming stint on Action.

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Crack... lots and lots of crack. :(

[Auntie May]

Byrne should have just stuck with the pencils and coplotting. He used to turn out lots of stuff at once and quality didn't suffer..maybe he just doesn't care anymore.

[The Watchman]

I forget who inked his work on the recent JLA run, but I saw some of his original pencils, and it was clearly the inker who was slipping, not Byrne.

[TheCorpulent1]

Jerry Ordway. Yeah, he really f***ed Byrne on the inks. He used way too much hatching where Byrne's work calls for more solid blacks or simple, unrendered lines.
The man is able to do 3-4 comics a month while everyone else struggles to just do 1 :o I dont' know his art but maybe that has something to do with it :o
Yeah, but I could write 3-4 comics a month at Byrne's level of quality. Drawing would be tougher but I'm slow at that sort of thing.

I've gotten pretty bored with his artwork, although ironically I really like Tom Grummett now and his style is very similar to Byrne's.

[Movies205]

Jerry Ordway. Yeah, he really f***ed Byrne on the inks. He used way too much hatching where Byrne's work calls for more solid blacks or simple, unrendered lines.

Yeah, but I could write 3-4 comics a month at Byrne's level of quality. Drawing would be tougher but I'm slow at that sort of thing.

I've gotten pretty bored with his artwork, although ironically I really like Tom Grummett now and his style is very similar to Byrne's.

I was refering to him drawing 3-4 books a month :)

[iloveclones]

I agree with everyone that his stuff doesn't seem to shine like it used to. But if he were to do something at Marvel (I seem to remember reading that he said he would NEVER work for Marvel again, I think precipitated with how his X-men:Lost Years was recieved) I would definately give it a try. I think that he has ideas on how comics should be written that are at odds with what is going on with the industry right now.

Another one that didn't get much mention was Avengers West Coast. I thought that was a lot of fun.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, any and all respect I have for Byrne comes from Avengers West Coast, actually. His art and writing on that series was top-notch and I loved every issue of it that he was on.

[stiltman]

Read most of Bryne's stuff growing up. I don't think anyone ever nailed the FF the way he did. Marvel Team-Up was great under him. Ditto X-Men and Alpha Flight. Even did a nice run on MTIO and the Thing that I liked. Wish he'd return to Marvel, maybe take over the FF again(pipe dream). Oh well. And I really liked his Next Men stuff as well, as well as 2112.

Whatever became of the whole Legend imprint? Some great comics out of that line, and some terrific talent. Art Adams(Whatever happened to this guy? Is he still alive? Loved his work.). Frank Miller. Paul Chadwick. Thought Dark Horse had a real good thing going with them at the time, but then that whole thing just sort of died out. Again, oh well.

[Darthphere]

Well heres John Byren latest quip on the comic industry. He quote says:

Brit writers should never even be allowed in the
same room with Captain America!

In response to some fool's explanation of the ending of 1602 by Neil Gaiman, it went completely over this guys head. Read it here.

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3886&PN=1&totPosts=20

[The Navigator]

How can you say you've "collected everything Byrne's done" and leave the She-Hulk series off that list? Granted, for about half the issues he wasn;t there, but that was his creation and he did some great stories in there.

[Marcdachamp]

Well heres John Byren latest quip on the comic industry. He quote says:



In response to some fool's explanation of the ending of 1602 by Neil Gaiman, it went completely over this guys head. Read it here.

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3886&PN=1&totPosts=20
That's because John Byrne's an idiot. He just says these kind of things in order to get attention. It helps when you don't have any talent left. :)

[Saph]

Yeah okay, the Chapter One thing was crap. But someone has done something similar since then and got all kinds of awards for the same s***ty concept.


You're talking about the Ultimate Universe right? Well, i'll explain this to you again: The Ultimate universe is in another universe. IT DOES NOT AFFECT THE OLD STORIES AT ALL. Get that into your thick skull. Chapter One actually tried to reboot the original universe, and did a pretty crap job out of it. See the difference? I bet you don't, or refuse to.

[Larry "Bud" Mellman]

"The Onion" lost all credibility for me a while back
when they did a "story" on the Hudson River cleanup
GE was forced to do. As some of you may recall,
one of my neighbors is a GE veep, and he was
directly in charge of this, so from him I found out all
kinds of details the press did not bother to pass
along to the public. Since the Onion apparently gets
its info from other papers, the story was full of
inaccuracies.

What are they, Michael Moore?

Anyway, I stopped reading the Onion from then on.
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3647&PN=1&TPN=1

[Larry "Bud" Mellman]

In another thread, a while back, I commented on the fact that the phrase I here take as my thread title has been used to describe every project I have worked on roughly since (and including) OMAC, with the exception of LAB RATS.*
Now, this is an odd comment. Since OMAC, I have had virtually no down time. Certainly no down time that measured in "years", yet again and again, for GENERATIONS, for HIDDEN YEARS, for LOST GENERATION, for ROBIN, for WONDER WOMAN, even for CHAPTER ONE and TRUE BRIT, I see this phrase tripping off the keyboards of internet "critics". "Thus-and-Such is Byrne's best work in years." Now seeing it for DOOM PATROL.

Yet DOOM PATROL and TRUE BRIT came out at the same time, and "years" did not separate GENERATIONS from HIDDEN YEARS, or HIDDEN YEARS from LOST GEN. Most of these project, in fact, overlapped, as my projects have tended to for the last 30 years.

What is at work here? Is this some kind of inversion of the mentality that gives us "His old stuff was better"? A critic cannot simply come right out and say "This is good!" but must couch the phrasing such that there is at least the implication that the "old stuff" was "better", since it is to this "old stuff" that the "new stuff" is being compared. The indeterminate measure, "years" allows for work done in the Past ("old stuff") without actually having to identify which "old stuff". Thus, in the case of two projects that come out literally within months of each other, the latter can be refered to as "Byrne's best work in years", while the same description, just a few months earlier, was applied to the earlier work.

Is there some fixed point in time which is the "old stuff", and it is against this which each new project is measured, heedless of what might have come in between, and been measured in exactly the same way?

This seems unlikely since, as noted elsewhere, there is no general concensus on exactly which "old stuff" was better, or when that "old stuff" was published. Further confusing the issue, if we assume that the "best work in years" is some kind of generic code, and is not really meant to indicate real time -- something that is, perhaps, the opposite of "comic book time" -- we have a series of reviews each of which says a given new project is superior to the one before it. The cumulative effect of this would seem to indicate that my current work would have to be superior to anything I have ever done -- yet again we have that reference to some undefined job at some nebulous period gone by, against which the current work is seen to be the "best since".

Unfortunately, no a specific "best since", since that would allow an actual comparison, which might, obviously, lead one to see that the Past is, perhaps, not superior to the Present after all.

So, perhaps we now have two phrases which need to be questioned whenever they appear. The first, and oldest, is "His old stuff was better", which of course immediately begs the question "Which 'old stuff'?" To this, add "His best work in years", to which we must respond with "Since when, exactly?"

.

*The poor Rats had to wait until months and even years after the book had died its horrible death before retroactive reviews started saying nice things about it. Too much, too late.
...

[Larry "Bud" Mellman]

Giving a character HIV opens several different doors,
none of which it would be all that advisable to step
thru.

For instance, there is the eternal problem of time as
it is portrayed in comics. Once upon a time, this was
no problem at all, since the passage of time was
simply ignored, and imho the books were all the
better for it. But in the past few decades it has
become all the vogue to make some kind of
acknowledgement of "real time", and so all manner
of graphs and charts and sliding scales have been
concocted to work out how "comicbook time" relates
to "real time". Make someone HIV positive, and the
first thing you'll crash into is this aspect. If the
character is "managing" the problem, do they
essentailly live forever? People with HIV survive for
decades, in some cases, which would translate into
more than the lifetime of most readers in
"comicbook time". If, on the other hand, the illness is
given a "realistic" arc and the victim lives only a few
years, "real time" what does this mean in terms of
"comicbook time"? Has the disease advanced
rapidly, or has "real time" elapsed in the story? If so,
what about the ripple effect? Has real time elapsed
in all the other books as well? (Suppose Speedy
takes three years, "real time", to die. Currently, in
DOOM PATROL, I have Nudge, who is 15 years old.
Would I be compelled to have her age to 18 while the
Speedy story unfolds in another title, unconnected to
DP?)

The second problem is that Important Deaths (which
this must surely be, or why do it?) create "Historical
Moments" which some writers feel they cannot
ignore from that point. (Death of Gwen Stacy,
anyone? Death of Phoenix?) This also plays
against "comicbook time", since the modern
audience seems largely unwilling to accept
throw-away references such as used to be the
solution to time in comics ("It's been weeks since… "
"Months ago, when we last encountered…") Five
years after Speedy's death, there will be many
(especially in the vocal online community) who will
be demanding that those five years be in some way
acknowledged -- and, alas, there will be writers and
editors who will agree.

Finally, a Ronald notes, these kinds of afflictions
have no place in "universes" populated by super
beings such as we see at Marvel or DC. There is no
reason for anyone to ever die of cancer, for instance,
since Reed Richards came up with three separate
cures while seeking a solution to Captain Marvel's
problem. In a world where magic exists, Barbara
Gordon should not have spent two seconds in that
wheelchair, let alone two decades. HIV should
simply not exist. Now -- it would be "unrealistic" to
say that, in fact, it doesn't exist. This is one of
the mistakes many writers and editors make,
chosing to treat the comicbook "universes" as if they
are "parallel dimensions" to our own, and thus
removing a degree of identification for the readers.
(When I was a kid, reading comics, I did not think of
Superman, Batman, the FF, Spider-Man et ai as
existing "somewhere else". I didn't think much about
it at all, in fact -- largely because the books
themselves did not expect me to.)

Whatever Judd Winnick has planned, it may very well
turn out to be a strong and memorable story. The
question, tho, is whether this is the right stage upon
which to play it

He actually has a bit of a point here. :(

[euroq]

He actually has a bit of a point here. :(

I agree.. :)

[Larry "Bud" Mellman]

You know the guy has lost it when he actually tries and diss Alan Moore.

Tom Strong and the rest of the ABC bunch leave me cold for a lot of reasons. First -- and I realize this is purely subjective, but what isn't? -- I find a smugness, a condescension that reads to me as nostalgia being done by someone who is not in the least bit nostalgic. Almost as if Moore sits down to write and flips his brain 180°, so he's not really writing what he feels or what he likes, just the exact opposite of what he would usually write.

Also, there is the whole pastiche/homage/whatever thing. I find this really annoying. Not just when Moore does it. I can look back on elements of my own work and be annoyed at myself for going down that path. I only did it on rare occasions, tho. Moore has turned it into a career. So much so, that in the post-WATCHMEN era I have trouble calling to mind much that he has done that was not based on someone else's previous work. I am not the most original guy on the block, but at least when I do Superman, I do Superman.

I suppose a lot of this could simply be the bad taste his earlier work left for me. All that tearing down and "deconstructionism". All that revealing of the flaws and feet of clay, not a bit of which has served the industry in any positive way, and, in fact, has left huge scars across it, like the ones left in the landscape by open pit mining.

[Larry "Bud" Mellman]

Liek we needed another reason to call him a dick.
I have noticed that people have begun referring to
Christopher Reeve as a "hero". I do not wish to take
away one iota of the courage he must have needed
not to wake up screaming every single day, but the
hard truth is there was nothing "heroic" in what
happened to him, or how he dealt with it. In fact, as
far as how he dealt with it, he didn't even have a
choice. We could imagine he spent every hour of
every day (when not in front of the cameras) begging
family members to simply kill him and get it over with
-- but none of them did, so he had no choice but to
deal with each day as it came.*

Heroism, I believe, involves choice.




*Not in any way suggesting this is what was
happening, just in case there are those who are
paralyzed from the neck up who might be
reading these words...

[stiltman]

John Byrne: Larry "Bud" Mellman's Bendis.

[Larry "Bud" Mellman]

John Byrne: Larry "Bud" Mellman's Bendis.
Yeah, I should start going into the Capt. America and DD threads and bash him. ;)

[Harlekin]

Liek we needed another reason to call him a dick.
Or applaud the fact that he had a point?

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Hah...man, I hate Micheal Moore.

...what are we talking about, again?

[Larry "Bud" Mellman]

Or applaud the fact that he had a point?
What point did he have when he said Reeve wanted to kill himself?

[Harlekin]

What point did he have when he said Reeve wanted to kill himself?
Way to completely miss what Byrne was actually saying beside that bit about Reeve probably wishing someone would kill him already.

[iloveclones]

Anyone else here agree with JB that way too much time is spent trying to establish a timeline for these characters. I do.

[wetgorilla]

I think timelines and and the popularity of "alternate universes" screwed comics over. This type of writing came into vogue during the early nineties in mass. Sure it may have been mentioned once or twice very briefly within the DC bullpen back in the 70's, but it didn't take on it's ultimately destructive place in comicdom until twenty years later. Now we have a total mess out there.

I concur with what J. Byrne had to say (he happens to be in the top three of my favorite comic producers list - Stan and Jack are the other two.) Unfortunately I see no way to fix the situation without putting the brakes on everything and seeking out new writers. I think only Byrne is left in this industry who could logically and creatively iron out this situation.

Wetgorilla

:wolverine

[TheCorpulent1]

I think only Byrne is left in this industry who could logically and creatively iron out this situation.
You've never read anything by Kurt Busiek or Geoff Johns, have you?

[Darthphere]

You've never read anything by Kurt Busiek or Geoff Johns, have you?


BURN! Homie got OWN3D!


Seriously, Byrne needs to shut the hell up.


And what he said about Christopher Reeves is IMO uncalled for. What does he care if people want to call him a hero. He might be regarded the same way if he got off his lazy ass and actually did something constructive other than give his insane view points on the comic industry i.e. Brit witers should never write Capt. America or say something about a subject that no one asked his opinion on.

[Ant-Man]

Byrne is doucebag. Plain and simple. His completely ingnorant comments on race, such as all latina women with blonde hair are hookers, or the honeymooners can only be played by white people show that this man is an idiot.
I honestly can't believe that people are suprised when this idiot says something stupid.
And the sad part is he still gets jobs writing comics.

[fifthfiend]

Okay seriously, I don't know about anyone else but I have a rule where it doesn't matter what kind of point you're trying to make, you just don't say **** about the cripple. The guy wants to be called a hero, **** it, call him a hero. Is he less than deserving of the title? WHO ****ING CARES! Everything beneath his neck is a lifeless stump! Let it go.

[fifthfiend]

He was spot-on about Mia in Green Arrow though.

[XFanTim]

Thing is, Byrne is just flat-out wrong about Reeve. Sure, he didn't choose to get paralyzed, but he absolutely had a choice in how he dealt with it. He could have done a lot of things: wallowed in self-pity, retreated from the public eye, etc. Instead he made himself the most active voice in saying there's hope for people with paralysis, that they shouldn't give up on finding a cure, and in pushing for approval and funding for research into new treatments. I think most men wouldn't want to put themselves in the public eye after suffering a debilitating injury. They'd be too proud to let people see them in that state. But because Reeve had the courage to do so, he gave a lot of people faced with similar injuries the hope they needed to keep on living. Personally, I find that heroic. Some people may not. But to say that he didn't have any choice about it is simply untrue.

[Elijya]

ok, first off: I don't know much about John Byrne. I'm too young to have read most of the works he is well known for, and I'm aware the man has done and said some controversial things, but never really researched them

but an interesting little thing happened last week that I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned here yet

as of september 14th, this was the wikipedia (online encyclopdia that anyone can edit, for those not in the know) entry for John Byrne
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Byrne&oldid=23225741


3 minutes later, this was the entry
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Byrne&oldid=23225889

the user who made the edit was named John Byrne, and John Byrne himself at his website has confirmed it was him. That's right, John Byrne erased his entire encyclopedia entry down to a brief paragraph, appearently because he felt the entire thing was opinion and critical.

the next 3 days saw about 100 edits to the entry, by Byrne supporters and deractors, and those who are just trying to run wikipedia as it's meant to be run. Byrne has appearently even been in contact with the man who runs wikipedia with certain demands. For the time being, the article remains locked with a brief biographical paragraph and an abbreviated lists of works. Byrne appearently doesn't want to acknowledge any of the controversies that have surrounded him over the years

so, it's just an internet thing, but this is pretty messed up. Thoughts?

[DBM]

This has been making it's way around a lot of comics blogs lately and I've read a lot of opinions on it.

I think both sides got carried away. I had read the wiki entry before this all started and I agree that it had a lot of opinion in it, most of it bad. It was overly negative towards Byrne and highlighted a lot of things that he has done that were contreversial, but they took some of the stuff out of context.

Byrne went to far the other way though by trying to eliminate nearly everything. A lot of it didn't need to be erase, but rather rewritten to be more objective and less opinion-based. But Byrne was not the person to do this. It would have been better coming from someone else.

So I think that both sides are in the right and in the wrong. Knowing what I do about Bryne though, I doubt this'll be settled easily.

[Lackey]

Hahahaha!!! I love it :D
check out the Talk Page for that entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:John_Byrne






by the way, Elijya, I'm surprised you haven't read much of John Byrne's stuff considering how well-read you are. I keed! I keed! ;) :p

[Elijya]

for god's sake man! I haven't read EVERYTHING!


....yet.

[Elijya]

although, there have been some pretty funny edits :D


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Byrne&diff=prev&oldid=23368999
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Byrne&diff=23346176&oldid=23346128
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Byrne&diff=23357395&oldid=23357175
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Byrne&diff=next&oldid=23359799
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Byrne&diff=next&oldid=23362894
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Byrne&diff=next&oldid=23363265
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Byrne&diff=next&oldid=23378158

scroll down for these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Byrne&oldid=23346128
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Byrne&oldid=23293668



I think this is my favorite:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Byrne&oldid=23345001

I know some are pretty cruel, but I can't help but laugh!

[Lackey]

Here's the link to the discussion on Byrne's forum... http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7809&PN=1&totPosts=476

this has me interested in articles on other authors and such.

[XFanTim]

All Wikipedia articles are supposed to maintain a neutral point of view. If Byrne were trying to fix the article's lack of neutrality (and correct factual errors) I'd have no problem with it. Sadly, that doesn't seem to be what he's trying to do. (Unless he's "fixing the problems with the article" in the same sense that one could achieve world peace by exterminating the human race.)

Hopefully, they'll get it all straightened out soon.

[Rizpower]

(John Byrne does not hate blonde Latinas)

Best part of that site.

[Elijya]

I wonder where that one came from?

[Elijya]

I really liked "He is currently working mainly for DC Comics, standing astride the American and global comics markets like a bearded colossus." :D

[Cyclops]

Methinks Mr. Byrne thinks just a bit too highly of himself.

[Lackey]

I wonder where that one came from?


He made a comment on his board about Jessica Alba being Sue Storm for the movie. He said something along the lines of Latinas who dye their hair blond look like hookers... CTOAN had the exact quote as his sig a while back. :D

[X]

Eh, it's Byrne. He's literally borderline senial.

I've got friends who have tried to talk to him on message boards, they compliment his entire body of work and have said that they didn't think too highly of one thing or another. He suddenly woulden't speak to them because they were being demeaning, blah blah blah.

I did love seeing his wife punched in the face in Constantine though... I think Byrne needs to learn some humility as well.

[Elijya]

his wife? wha?

[X]

http://imdb.com/name/nm0842770/

Look into her actual biography and it says she's married to, or a, John Byrne.

Feh.

[Anubis]

"John Byrne is a homosexual pedophile who has a lengthy criminal history of aggravated assault, murder, sodomy, indecent exposure, and battery. He is currently serving six life sentences in the California penal system for being a total douchebag.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Byrne"

This was my favorite. :)

[Anubis]

http://imdb.com/name/nm0842770/

Look into her actual biography and it says she's married to, or a, John Byrne.

Feh.

Nah, theres no way she's married to Byrne. She's one of dem classy British actresses. Why sully her good name with a douchbag like Byrne?

[Lackey]

yeah, that's not the comic book writer/artist John Byrne... he's this one http://imdb.com/name/nm0126208/ number 6

[Superman4ever]

OMG, look at the first paragraph....:D

Byrne was born in Walsall, England and his family moved to Canada when he was eight. His first exposure to the American superheroes that would dominate his professional life was reruns of American programs like The Adventures of Superman on British television. In Britain, he was able to read domestic comics such as The Eagle as well as reprints of DC Comics. [1]. Byrne got his name from "burning" his pubic hairs as a rebellious adolescent.

[Cyclops]

That's what you get with a half-assed attempt at making an encyclopedia that ANYBODY can make entries in...

Byrne needs to grow up. You'd think being as old as he is and having been around as long as he's been, he'd be beyond deleting a wikipedia entry about him that he didn't like.

Be the bigger man, Byrne, and turn away. Just because somebody does something childish to you, does not mean it's right to be childish right back.

[X]

yeah, that's not the comic book writer/artist John Byrne... he's this one http://imdb.com/name/nm0126208/ number 6

Ah, gotcha. :o

The sodomy, murder, and other thing bit is hilarious though. As is the pube burning. :D

[XFanTim]

That's what you get with a half-assed attempt at making an encyclopedia that ANYBODY can make entries in... Eh, it has plusses and minuses. People doing joke entries is mostly just a problem with the more controversial topics, and anyway the people who take it seriously usually win out in the end. It's certainly a work in progress, with unfinished entries and more than a few mistakes, but on the other hand it has articles on some arcane topics you'd never see in a regular encyclopedia.

In other words, Wikipedia is basically like the rest of the Internet -- lots of useful info, if you can wade through all the bull****.

[Elijya]

OMG, look at the first paragraph....:D

Byrne was born in Walsall, England and his family moved to Canada when he was eight. His first exposure to the American superheroes that would dominate his professional life was reruns of American programs like The Adventures of Superman on British television. In Britain, he was able to read domestic comics such as The Eagle as well as reprints of DC Comics. [1]. Byrne got his name from "burning" his pubic hairs as a rebellious adolescent.
where is that one from? you know I posted a whole bunch of vandalized ones, right?

and as for my feelings on Wikipedia, Tim pretty much said how I feel. No one should either trust wikipedia as an absolute, trustworthy resource, but they shouldn't decree it as useless either

[Dr Doom]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Byrne

Look at his art style. Someone doesn't know how to type.

[Elijya]

:confused:

what're you talking about, Doom?

[Dr Doom]

Oh, it changed, Somebody put "John Byrnr sucks at art"

[Elijya]

here it is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Byrne&oldid=23892687

[Sarge]

Man, some of those edits are pretty brutal. :D


This is my favorite part of any edit, though:

"He has a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they make Sinatra look like a hobo. In other words, John Byrne is the balls.


He did stuff...look it up...I need to get a towel after writing about John...my love."

[masteryoda]

****ing Byrne. :D
The guy banned Peter David and deleted a bunch of posts when PAD was trying to correct some things Byrne said about him. I think Byrne did the same thing to Waid too. But what do you expect from a guy who thinks the Onion is a real news site. :D And a biased one at that. :D :D

[Ben Urich]

# 4 John Byrne and His Orwellian Attempts At Preventing Talk Of Anything Negative About Him

:D:up:

[rigel7soldiers]

I am totally going to edit it. Just you watch.

Actually, forget it. I don't even know what he looks like.

[rigel7soldiers]

http://http://www.ludickid.com/041103.htm

The Hulk and Gladiator ones particularly slam Byrne, but later articles mention Marvel's former policy of "If Byrne can't do it, it doesn't get done."

[Superman4ever]

:D

Byrne was born in Walsall, England and his family moved to Canada when he was eight. His first exposure to the American superheroes that would dominate his professional life was reruns of American programs like The Adventures of Superman or "Pussy Patrol" on British television. In Britain, he was able to read domestic comics such as The Eagle and Daddy's Shaft as well as reprints of DC Comics. [1].

His first encounter with Marvel Comics was in 1962 with Stan Lee and Jack Kirby's Fantastic Four #5, where the Fantastic Foursome really put their name to test (wink). He later commented that, "the book had an 'edge' like nothing DC was putting out at the time, because Superman was only banging Wonder Woman without Lois or Lana present. WTF is that? Who wants to see Superman bang one person at a time? Sweet hollow monkey anus's he could probably phiuck Flash without him knowing it." [2] Jack Kirby's work in particular had a strong influence on Byrne and he has worked with many of the characters Kirby created or co-created. Besides Kirby, Byrne was also influenced by the realistic style of Neal Adams.

In 1970, Byrne enrolled at the Alberta College of Art and Desugn - eh? in Calgary. He created the superhero parody Gay Guy, which was modeled after his own personal endeavors and misadventures at ACOAD-Eh?, for the college newspaper which poked fun at the campus stereotype of homosexuality among art students, eh? Gay Guy is also notable for featuring a prototype of the Alpha Flight character Snowbird. While there, he also published his first comic book, ACA Comix #1, featuring "The Death's Head Knight". [3]

Byrne left the college in 1973 without graduating. He was expelled for lewd acts against humanity. He began working for Charlton Comics, starting with the publication of ROG-2000 in the pages of E-Man. Byrne worked on the books Wheelie and the Chopper Bunch, Doomsday +1, Space: 1999, and Emergency!.




EDIT: It's gone now...:( My IP has been blocked for 3 days! :up:

[hulkamania85]

After reading about John Byrne banning Superman Returns discussion on his forum I decided to research how much of a jerk he is. One story I found pretty interesting. Apparently if someone asks him to sign a trade paperback, he will stamp it with a stamp of his autograph instead. "A copy of a signature for a copy of a comic" he claims. Is this true, because I can't find it anywhere else. Treating a fan who has taken time to try to get your autograph like that isn't cool.

[Elijya]

yes, it's true

here, hold on, I'll show you some more examples of his jerkdom

[Elijya]

http://superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200003

[hulkamania85]

Those edits were great. The Chuck E. Cheese one was my favorite.

Nerd rage would normally be something embarrasing for fandom, but if nerd rage occured after an autograph incident like that, it would be a Comic-Con highlight. Treating fans like that isn't cool, when they could be spending time ogling the booth models.

[Elijya]

I talked to a girl at WWPhilly who said she *****ed him out in public after he did that to her, and actually had people congratulate and thank her for it later

[The Hero]

http://superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200003
John Lindley Byrne (born July 6, 1950) is a British-born now naturalised American author and artist of comic books. He is a God among men, he is a genius that rivals Einstein. He is an artist that would make Paul Gauguin give up children. He's a writer that would make Honoré de Balzac give up writing literature and put out a new series of Dr Seuss books, involving pants. He is a rock God. He is a guru. He is a legend. He is King baby. HHe was like a god walking amongst mere mortals. He has a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they make Sinatra look like a hobo. In other words, John Byrne is the balls.


He did stuff...look it up...I need to get a towel after writing about John...my love.

Does the internet get any better than that?Honestly,does it?

[UK_Stu]

Byrne maybe a jerk and his writing skills appear to be fading - but I think he's still a hell of an artist.

[Ben Urich]

What a dick.
Chuck Dixon is the opposite with trades. I had him sign my Joker: Devil's Advocate hardcover and he did a little Joker sketch inside for no charge or anything - he said anyone who buys a hardcover of his work gets a sketch. :up:
He said Graham Nolan (his collaborator on J: DA) does the same.

[Elijya]

aww :)


see, some creators actually have appreciation for their fans. I mean, you can even say whatever you want about Bendis, Liefeld,, Quesada, or any of those other 'controversial' guys, but walk up to them at a con and at least they'll almost always be perfect gents and thank you for your support

Byrne is on a whole other level and just a dick

[Themanofbat]

Byrne is on a whole other level and just a dick

I agree... but it may not have always been the case.

John Byrne's rise and fame in the comics industry happened very quickly in the early 80's... he helped X-Men (a former fledging title that was on the verge of cancellation MANY times in the previous 15 years) become a money magnet for Marvel, he boosted sales with FF, was lured away from DC to revamp their FLAGSHIP character in 1986 (Superman), etc... I can see where all of this might have gotten to his head. If he was just a regular dick prior to the 80's, he became a colossal dick by the time the 90's rolled around, and despite his great art (I still like it), his writing skills have suffered.

In my opinion, he should just stick to art (he does need a good inker though, like Austin when he was on X-Men). Then maybe he can retire from the industry with what little dignity he may still have.

:)

[hulkamania85]

I looked on his forums. Apparently you have to use your real name. No surprise, because otherwise he'd probably get 5 pages of "ur a dick". Everyone there kisses his ass, too. Urge to troll...rising.

[Harlekin]

Well, there's nothing wrong with the real name thing. Mark Millar has that rule too.

[hulkamania85]

Well, there's nothing wrong with the real name thing. Mark Millar has that rule too.

It is if you don't feel like kissing his ass, and would much rather do quite the opposite. Now I'm not saying troll, but I mean, I'd like to voice my dislike of his autographing policies, and discuss why Superman Returns was fantastic and Mr. Byrne is missing out on a great movie.

[Harlekin]

It is if you don't feel like kissing his ass, and would much rather do quite the opposite. Now I'm not saying troll, but I mean, I'd like to voice my dislike of his autographing policies, and discuss why Superman Returns was fantastic and Mr. Byrne is missing out on a great movie.
Uhm, no, that's what makes the whole real-name thing such a good thing. Critisizing somebody directly under the veil of anonimity is basically not owning up to your own views and opinions, aka not being man enough to stand behind your words.

[Ben Urich]

Byrne doesn't want to see Superman Returns? :confused:

[GNR]

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=14104&PN=1&TPN=1


Okay, time for me to rain on this parade. I didn't know he had kids. YOUNG kids. This alters the mix considerably. This makes him an AS*HOLE. Cops and firemen, to name but two, place their lives on the line every day to protect others. There was nothing Steve Irwin was doing that he could not have done -- as did, say, David Attenborough -- without putting his life at risk.
This takes this from tragedy to stupidity, and, worse, irresponsibility.

[Phoney Bone]

Yeah, I saw his quote on LITG. I hate him so much.

[Phaedrus45]

I don't understand how this makes him an "a-hole." As a father myself, I make many of my decisions based on the fact that I have children, and thus must do things that protect both me AND them. Steve Irwin, even though I love him to death, was very wreckless. Hell, the show he was doing was "The ten most dangerous" creatures on earth when he died. And, he has in the past put his baby in danger by bringing it into the crododile pens with him. We know that "to err is human;" but, he was obviously more concerned with his image and ratings than being there to raise his family.

[gildea]

really not wanting to get into the bashing byrne but...

Though I can actually understand byrnes point it amazes me that :
a)he felt the need to say it the day after the mans death
b)that he made it in such an ignorant and insensitive way
and c) the drones on his board defend it.

[GNR]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13


QUOTE OF THE WEEK: "I am GLAD this as_hole is dead. Sorry for his wife and kids, but relieved they are in no further danger from his lunacy!" - John Byrne on the death of Steve Irwin.

[gildea]

I don't understand how this makes him an "a-hole." As a father myself, I make many of my decisions based on the fact that I have children, and thus must do things that protect both me AND them. Steve Irwin, even though I love him to death, was very wreckless. Hell, the show he was doing was "The ten most dangerous" creatures on earth when he died. And, he has in the past put his baby in danger by bringing it into the crododile pens with him. We know that "to err is human;" but, he was obviously more concerned with his image and ratings than being there to raise his family.


You can say he was irresponsible, you can critise his lifestyle but you should not, I repeat should not insult him.

Its that simple.

Byrnes point is that he should have stopped risking his life once he became a father. Its a fair point but he made it so very badly and INSENSITIVELY.

ie do you think if he spoke to steve's widow and told her husband was an ******* for doing what he done do you think she'd agree or think he was being insensitive.

this is his christopher reeves comment all over again, something that is a fair enough opinion voiced like its god himself speaking with little or no care as to who it offends.

[Darthphere]

Its pretty consistent with Byrne's antics. The man has no class and really I dont care what people say, the world would be a lot better place without John Byrne.

[i'm Spider-Man]

what did he say about Mr. Reeve?

[Phaedrus45]

Quote:
QUOTE OF THE WEEK: "I am GLAD this as_hole is dead. Sorry for his wife and kids, but relieved they are in no further danger from his lunacy!" - John Byrne on the death of Steve Irwin.
Now, if he said that, it is pretty bad. The first quote I didn't see anything that would make me that upset.

[Chris Wallace]

I didn't agree with what Irwin did either but Byrne's statements are in bad taste.
But then, I lost respect for him after "Chapter One".

[Darthphere]

Im glad to see that Byrne's board are not lacking its classic ass kissing of old. I applaud those who have posted against Byrne in that thread.

[Phaedrus45]

I didn't agree with what Irwin did either but Byrne's statements are in bad taste.
But then, I lost respect for him after "Chapter One".

At least "The New Atom" is pretty good.

[gildea]

he's off it after issue 3

[Goddamn Batman]

I AM bothered when I see people shedding tears over someone who is an irresponsible, egotistical, apparently virtually insane *******.
Get this one absolutely clear: the endangerment of children gets ZERO TOLERANCE in my book. This guy should have been taken out of the croc pen, had his kids taken from him, and been thrown in the deepest, darkest, dankest pit the Australian judicial system has to offer. Preferably after being skinned alive. "*******" is too good a word.


:csad:

[unstoppable]

I wanna punch that guy in the face:cmad: :cmad:




Rip Steve :(

[MyPokerShirt]

Irwin WAS an idiot. He went on TV saying that it distresses him people think his job is dangerous when it's not, then he dies from a dangerous incident.

Didn't you yanks see the pictures that made him pretty unpopular over here? HE DANGLED HIS BABY IN FRONT OF A CROCADILE OR ALIGATOR, SAYING HE HAD IT UNDER CONTROL. That's worse than what Michael Jackson did with his kid, dangling it out the window in Germany.

It's terrible to say because he's dead, but I hate two-faced people. I'm not going to lie, I liked what Irwin did but would have hated him as a person. He was an idiot to do some of the things he did and he paid for it. Sorry.

But yes, John's put his foot in it again. At least leave these sort of comments for 6 months or so. Why does he say such things??

[i'm Spider-Man]

John Byrne is a poo-head :(

[gildea]

Irwin WAS an idiot. He went on TV saying that it distresses him people think his job is dangerous when it's not, then he dies from a dangerous incident.


ironically what killed him wasn't actually a dangerous stunt.

swimming with sting rays is quite safe in general, 3 fatalities in the last 100 years given the amount of people who swim with them its quite safe.

[MyPokerShirt]

May I point out that what he did in general was dangerous and he even put his baby's life in danger, but he was filming for a documentary. Irwin doesn't do things normally, he wasn't just swimming with it, I'm willing to believe he was prodding it or whatever. Have you ever seen his show?? lol, anyway that's conjecture, but I'm willing to believe he again wasn't being safe and that's what makes his death so sad... :( I truly feel sorry for his family and hope his kid won't grow up to read comics and hear what Byrne has said so close to the death, being such a high-profile man on this forums and within the comic industry.

[Marcdachamp]

Byrne just does it for attention.

[Kool-Aid]

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=14104&PN=1&TPN=1


How did you get the black spoiler tag?:huh:

[Elisha Cuthbert]

I hated John Byrne when he ruined every comic by "reinventing" (IE, turning them to crap) them. He's always been a major ******* to me so this changes nothing, just makes me hate that sunofmybrushes more. :cmad:

[gildea]

May I point out that what he did in general was dangerous and he even put his baby's life in danger,

Irrelevant.

I was correcting you specifically on the circumstances of his death not his show or lifestyle

I repeat swimming with sting rays is not inherently dangerous.


but he was filming for a documentary. Irwin doesn't do things normally, he wasn't just swimming with it, I'm willing to believe he was prodding it or whatever. Have you ever seen his show?? lol, anyway that's conjecture,

He wasn't prodding it. Apprently he just swam too close, and was stung in a very unlikely way.

[Phaedrus45]

From what I heard originally, his camera crew boxed him in, and the stingray felt threatened. And, while stingray deaths are so rare, it is a fact he knew it was dangerous just from the fact he considered it for his special on the ten most dangerous creatures.

[Darthphere]

Byrne just does it for attention.


Theres the root of all this. John Byrne hasnt been relevant within the comic book reading community for years. Therefore, he has to find ways to keep his name out there whether it be in a negative or positive light. John Byrne had talent, now hes a washed up has been with too much time on his hands and way too many followers who will heed his every word.

[gildea]

to be fair to byrne regarding talent his work on the atom was brilliant (the inker was an inspired choice, really helped byrnes pencils shine).

Unfortunately his abrasive personality ruined that for himself also.

[Darthphere]

to be fair to byrne regarding talent his work on the atom was brilliant (the inker was an inspired choice, really helped byrnes pencils shine).

Unfortunately his abrasive personality ruined that for himself also.


Thats subjective, I think his inker helped as you said, A LOT.

[gildea]

From what I heard originally, his camera crew boxed him in, and the stingray felt threatened. And, while stingray deaths are so rare, it is a fact he knew it was dangerous just from the fact he considered it for his special on the ten most dangerous creatures.

He was in the process of filming 'The oceans deadliest' this is true but weather stalled filming.
The sting ray bit he was filming was actually some shots for a show his eight year old daughter was hosting NOT for his dangerous creatures show.

reference : http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Croc-Hunter-Steve-Irwin-died-instantly/2006/09/04/1157222051588.html

[gildea]

Thats subjective, I think his inker helped as you said, A LOT.

true.

you know I'm an optimist though ;)

[Darthphere]

I wonder if we'll get a Rod Odom appearance.

[MyPokerShirt]

Theres the root of all this. John Byrne hasnt been relevant within the comic book reading community for years. Therefore, he has to find ways to keep his name out there whether it be in a negative or positive light. John Byrne had talent, now hes a washed up has been with too much time on his hands and way too many followers who will heed his every word.

You can't honestly believe that. He has abrupt, honest opinions that are different from the conservative or polite norm and he expresses them at inapropriate times like many of his type do. He's just famous and so it gets picked out. And he won't learn. He just probably doesn't even care what we all think any more, as well. Why would anyone who isn't 5 and doesn't have ADD or whatever, do something like THIS for attention?

[Not Jake]

Oh big deal, John Byrne gets flack for some Steve Irwin bashing. I make fun of the recently deceased all the time. It's funny!

[gildea]

Oh big deal, John Byrne gets flack for some Steve Irwin bashing. I make fun of the recently deceased all the time. It's funny!

Yes but at least you have the decency to make the sweet love to the corpse first. That way we know you're not being serious.

[Darthphere]

You can't honestly believe that. He has abrupt, honest opinions that are different from the conservative or polite norm and he expresses them at inapropriate times like many of his type do. He's just famous and so it gets picked out. And he won't learn. He just probably doesn't even care what we all think any more, as well. Why would anyone who isn't 5 and doesn't have ADD or whatever, do something like THIS for attention?


If this was the only time hes done it, Id agree. But its not. My mom used to say, if you dont have anything nice to say.....

[gildea]

You can't honestly believe that. He has abrupt, honest opinions that are different from the conservative or polite norm and he expresses them at inapropriate times like many of his type do. He's just famous and so it gets picked out. And he won't learn. He just probably doesn't even care what we all think any more, as well. Why would anyone who isn't 5 and doesn't have ADD or whatever, do something like THIS for attention?

As darth said he was famous, he was relevant and now he isn't.

Once people get used to a certain level of attention some seek to maintain regardless of the cost.

[Cyclops]

Well, even though I do feel Irwin was a wreckless fool at times, I also feel that he did alot for wildlife and cared very much for it. And yes, Irwin's tactics were done to bring attention to him, but he used the attention and such to educate people about what he loved. He had his causes and no matter what ridiculously dangerous chances he took, he always had his causes at heart.

What is Byrne's verbal showboating going to? What has it ever gone to? That's what bugs me about Byrne's verbal lashings. While Steve's attention-grabbing was risky, he at least stood for something. Byrne, however...

[Kitsune]

You can't honestly believe that. He has abrupt, honest opinions that are different from the conservative or polite norm and he expresses them at inapropriate times like many of his type do. He's just famous and so it gets picked out. And he won't learn. He just probably doesn't even care what we all think any more, as well. Why would anyone who isn't 5 and doesn't have ADD or whatever, do something like THIS for attention?
Being ADD does not make one an *********. Nor would it excuse abnoxious behavior.

On a different note, being a jerk just after someone dies is not unique to Byrne. Daniel Shore on NPR gave a five minute + rant on how bad a president Ronald Reagan was just after Reagan's funeral. Far better to hate Byrne for the crap he pulled on Spider-Man...(Aunt May replaced by an Actress)

[BrianWilly]

Yeah, that was a pretty asstastic thing for Byrne to say:down.

On the other hand, he does have a point as well. Irwin intentionally put himself into truckloads upon truckloads of dangerous situations day after day after year, and the fact that one of those incidents would ultimately do him in should come as a surprise to a total of absolutely no one. I mean, I'm sure no one thought a f'ing stingray would stab him through the heart:eek:, but still. I'm aware of his extensive accomplishments towards conservation and animal awareness and I understand that his job and the animals are what he loved, but that doesn't change the fact that a substantial degree of irresponsibility was involved in his sort of lifestyle, considering his role as a husband and father.

And yes, even with all that said, Byrne is still an ass. I mean, there really is no justification for that kind of assness.

[GNR]

:csad:

That quote is disgusting.

[Marcdachamp]

Theres the root of all this. John Byrne hasnt been relevant within the comic book reading community for years. Therefore, he has to find ways to keep his name out there whether it be in a negative or positive light. John Byrne had talent, now hes a washed up has been with too much time on his hands and way too many followers who will heed his every word.
Am I the only one disturbed by how much you and I have agreed lately? :oldrazz:

You're 100% right. Byrne Robotics is an incredibly apt title, because that perfectly describes the mindless drones that inhabit that site. :whatever:

[vindrow]

Byrne says things like this to get attention, since nobody in the comics industry wants anything to do with him anymore...whats really creepy about all this are all the mindless drones on his forums that are sucking up to him...geez, you would think if they need to idolize someone they could do a hell of a lot better than him, hell idolizing Carrot Top would be better.

[Orko Is King]

*Takes a dump on MOS trade*

[PWN3R]

Seriously, who is the real A-hole? When you go on a messageboard and post about a dead human being calling them an A-hole. Real mature.:rolleyes:

[iloveclones]

Its pretty consistent with Byrne's antics. The man has no class and really I dont care what people say, the world would be a lot better place without John Byrne.

My mom used to say, if you dont have anything nice to say......



It's what I've always said: We hold these guys to standards we will never hold ourselves to.

My grandmother just passed away, and I would be incensed to read stuff like that online. So I condemn JB for saying it publicly. But I feel the same way about all the juvenile bashing that goes one here. The amount of filth that comes from people's keyboard because of a storyline, or team line-up. It's inexcusable and disgusting.

[Eros]

This is all a matter of opnion, even though i love steve Irwin, and he was the basis for the australian crocodile hunter parodies in pop culture for years. Bryne is entitiled to his own opponion, but makeing that oponion public on a internet message board is odd.

[Darthphere]

It's what I've always said: We hold these guys to standards we will never hold ourselves to.

My grandmother just passed away, and I would be incensed to read stuff like that online. So I condemn JB for saying it publicly. But I feel the same way about all the juvenile bashing that goes one here. The amount of filth that comes from people's keyboard because of a storyline, or team line-up. It's inexcusable and disgusting.


Your mouth is inexcusable and disgusting.:cmad:

Either way, in the context of things, I like how simply put youre calling me a hypocrite, which yes I am. But honestly, when was the last time someone heard John Byrne saying anything good?

[UK_Stu]

I can sort of see Byrne's point, but its a pretty insensitive thing to say at this stage of things.

I've had all the dodgy photoshopped emails about him, which is poor taste and I understand the video of his death is now available on the web. The Daily Star Newspaper (a trashy tabloid) in the UK has already obtained stills from the video. Its poor taste so soon after the guy's death

[Elijya]

let's put ALLLLL the Byrne stuff together to give everyone some perspective

[Darthphere]

I find this thread to be magically delicious.

[iloveclones]

Hey Darth. I really didn't mean to point that second part at you. I guess I should've separated the posts. My apologies.

[Darthphere]

Hey Darth. I really didn't mean to point that second part at you. I guess I should've separated the posts. My apologies.


Nah, its cool. No apology necessary.

[Chris Wallace]

Irwin WAS an idiot. He went on TV saying that it distresses him people think his job is dangerous when it's not, then he dies from a dangerous incident.

Didn't you yanks see the pictures that made him pretty unpopular over here? HE DANGLED HIS BABY IN FRONT OF A CROCADILE OR ALIGATOR, SAYING HE HAD IT UNDER CONTROL. That's worse than what Michael Jackson did with his kid, dangling it out the window in Germany.

That irked me so bad at the time. Michael's kid was in no real danger (it's impossible to drop a baby when your arm is tucked under his armpit.) & it got 10 times the backlash that Irwin's actions did.

[The Hero]

Why does Byrne still insist on talking? Has anyone ever shown him any sign of caring what he thinks? :huh:

[Anubis]

Well, judging by the way people tend to react, they certainly seem to.

[Darthphere]

Not really.

[GyLocke]

But honestly, when was the last time someone heard John Byrne saying anything good?

How would we know?

You can bet your ass there aren't armies of bashers posting it everywhere when he does, so that's not a really good point.

We only hear about him when his mouth is faster then his brain. He frases a lot of stuff in an unfortunate, insensitive way, but I yet to hear something outragous from him that doesn't have at least a little bit of truth in it.

But of course, he should wait for the bodies to get cold, before he starts to state his opinion.

His followers on the other hand... now that's a different issue.

[Elijya]

Why does Byrne still insist on talking? Has anyone ever shown him any sign of caring what he thinks? :huh:
unfortunately, there's a cadre of I believe 12 regular posters on his board who constantly stroke his ego, agree with anything he says, and descend like rabid dogs on anyone who enters the board and says something the least bit negative

[Darthphere]

Oh man, is the time he closed off all discussions about Superman Returns in here?

[Elijya]

I don't think so

[Chris Wallace]

I was just reading that a lot of stingrays have been killed & mutilated in australia; Irwin's people fear it may be an effort to "avenge" his death.

[Darthphere]

I was just reading that a lot of stingrays have been killed & mutilated in australia; Irwin's people fear it may be an effort to "avenge" his death.


I saw it coming.

[Elijya]

They should have seen it coming to. Do they really think they could strike at the heart of the heart of Australia and not suffer a consequence?

[yenaled]

In the Steve Irwin post there is someone called Kyle Baker ripping into Byrne really badly.

Unfortuantly it is not "the" Kyle Baker. But Byrne certainly thought it was for ages.

[Darthphere]

They should have seen it coming to. Do they really think they could strike at the heart of the heart of Australia and not suffer a consequence?


I feel like going into song.

[Darthphere]

More John Byrne goodness.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/darthphere/JB1.jpg

[hippy fascist]

while he is being a complete hypocrite here I don't disagree with what he said. America's love affair with guns is retarded and the sooner someone puts an end to it the better as far as I'm concerned.

[Darthphere]

Shut the **** up or ill shoot you.

[The Hero]

More John Byrne goodness.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13
There's no classier argument than "If you don't agree with me you're an idiot". :up:

[Darthphere]

I come from the John Byrne school of Internet Posting and Debate.

[Dr. Fate]

John Byrne is evil.

[hippy fascist]

John Byrne is evil.

evil like a fox!

[Darthphere]

while he is being a complete hypocrite here I don't disagree with what he said. America's love affair with guns is retarded and the sooner someone puts an end to it the better as far as I'm concerned.


What about for the zombies? We need mguns for when the zombies come. And no a sword isnt a viable option because most people would more likely cut their penis off then actually kill a zombie.

[hippy fascist]

What about for the zombies? We need mguns for when the zombies come. And no a sword isnt a viable option because most people would more likely cut their penis off then actually kill a zombie.

I only meant for humans, chipmunks should still be aloud to defend america from the zombie threat

http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_may2001/SaskatchewanArmy.jpg

[Darthphere]

Were doomed.

[fifthfiend]

evil like a fox!

An evil fox.

[hippy fascist]

Were doomed.

not if my ninja monkeys have anything to say about it...

http://www.crazymum.com/images/random/monkey_vs_penguin_16a.gif (http://www.crazymum.com/)

[Darthphere]

They cancelled my medicore Hidden Years and made First Class an ongoing waaaah! (http://byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17534&PN=1&TPN=1)

Equally as funny? The fans clamoring for him to work at Marvel again.:dry:

[iloveclones]

They cancelled my medicore Hidden Years and made First Class an ongoing waaaah! (http://byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17534&PN=1&TPN=1)

Equally as funny? The fans clamoring for him to work at Marvel again.:dry:


I wouldn't say I'm clamoring, but I would buy something that he was drawing. His (past)track record is too good not to. In fact, as much as I defend JQ, that would be the one thing that I'd list for getting a new EIC, the fact that there's too much bad blood between him and JB for him to do any work at Marvel.

That said, I mean, c'mon. Hidden Years was a mediocre at best series. To still be complaining about it all these years later is pretty petty. I mean, it's not like he was dumped at the height of his Uncanny or FF run, or like Waid on his FF run. This is like being upset for a Headmen series being cancelled.

[Darthphere]

Whats funny is, his fans saying that Joey Q should've called him and apologized for their decision to cancel the comic and offered him the job. But honestly, like I've said elesewhere, John Byrne is way past his prime, and the last books hes tried to write were just plain bad. His art is also dated too. It just doesn't appeal to me, personally anymore.

The thing is, I can't blame Marvel for not wanting him back. Clearly, he's become overly bitter and cynical about everything and having him back in the fold can be detrimental to what marvel wants to do. At the end of the day however, John Byrne left Marvel, theres nothing anyone can do about that.

[Hahahaha]

I remember growing up in the 80's and byrne was the world to me.
I started reading comics after his x-men run but I picked up an issue of
alpha flight and was totally hooked. the art was amazing and not only that
it was well written as well.
I then went on hunt to collect everything byrne ever drew
x-men
alpha flight
rog 2000
marvel team up
his art along with terry austin was the best I had ever seen the lines were tight
and the inks were crisp, even when byrne went on to ink his own work the art was still amazing.
then after his superman run (still my favorite ever superman run)
his art went absolutely to the dogs, the art is terrible it looks like he draws his
comics in about 5 minutes flat and then inks with painter's brush.
It's a very sad decline for one of my heroes of the comic world
I avoid anything byrne does now (or try to)
the spider-man reboot
the jla run
doom patrol
ugh...
compare and contrast the artwork...what's a good example, I know the issue of the x-men where wolverine takes out the hellfire club with the lastest issue of doom patrol. you wouldn't believe it is drawn by the same person.
maybe byrne is just bored with comics and it is just more or less a job to him now.
sad...

Yes, John Byrne, burns brightly in my memory as a pre-teen in the early eighties introduced to me by my very best and beloved friend I've ever met in my young life in Palo Alto in middle school days. Greg Lovas, if you ever see this message, please try to remember who this could be. You were the best damn artist in McKinnley middle school, man!! And my best friend!! Greg introduced me to the Uncanny X-men and to the creative team of John Byrne/Chris Claremont/Terry Austin back in 1980/81.

Unbelievable art work that just totally amazed me, that John Byrne. I even had The Art Of John Byrne book which was published a year earlier, I believe, with ALL of those goddamn fantastic artwork, from ships, aliens, women, blood and guts, designs, designs, designs, my god....and I remember having bought Rog 2000 large size book that collated all of the stories. I don't know really what's going on here about talk against John Byrne lately and I guess I may read up and try to find out what controversy is seemingly occuring here.

[ShadowBoxing]

John Byrne might not have had a lot of staying power (although most artists of the eighties have taken a nose dive, mostly because of the huge technology shift) but at one time this man, in my opinion, almost out did Kirby. Uncanny X-Men was glorious, Alpha Flight was nothing short of spectacular, Man of Steel was very well done, Fantastic Four was at a peak it hadn't enjoyed since Lee/Kirby.

I understand what he means about Reeves, I also disagree. It's not offense so much as not well thought out. Reeves truly didn't choose to be paralyzed, no disagreement there...but that's not what made him a hero. What made him a hero was all the hard work and effort he put in just to be able to move a finger or actually get his legs to somewhat respond underwater. That's very heroic. Other people, even me, who some consider a hero...or at least tell me as much...would have given up...I certainly don't think I could try to bring myself back. Maybe, but not likely.

Peter Parker did not choose to get bitten by a spider, Reed did not choose to irradiate himself and his family, Cyclops, Jean, Wolverine, Professor X and all the other X-Men did not choose to be mutants (and probably would choose to be humans) but they use their circumstances in a way to inspire others, which Chris Reeves did...and that is heroism.