Samus vs. Master Chief: Who Wins?

[Zenien]

I loved the idea, but her being fused with a Metroid didn't really seem to amount to much, I was expecting her to be turned into some sort of techno organic type character, and besides being able to absorb the X (which were basically health charges and what have you) nothing really changed. Plus they TOLD you where to go!

[Johnny DC]

Just a show of hands, who here has actually played both Halo and any of the Metroids?

[JC Denton]

Me. As a matter of fact, with the exception of Fusion, I've played every game in the Metroid series, Halo, and read all of the Halo books.

[Johnny DC]

Me. As a matter of fact, with the exception of Fusion, I've played every game in the Metroid series, Halo, and read all of the Halo books.

Should the books count? Isn't it just fan-fic?

If you didn't read the books, where he's supremely agile and strong, would you still have voted for MC?

[Zenien]

I've beaten Halo and read Reach. I've played every Metroid Game except the NES originals.

[JC Denton]

Should the books count? Isn't it just fan-fic?

If you didn't read the books, where he's supremely agile and strong, would you still have voted for MC?
Yes, I still would have voted for Master Chief. Samus is entirely unimpressive, both in ability and technology, and frankly, I can't see how anyone could even attempt to support an argument to the contrary. Master Chief has even done more impressive things than she has IMO.

However, I don't think it fair to classify the books as "fan-fics". They aren't the idle ramblings of some bored 16 year old with nothing else to do, they are Bungie approved additions to the story, no less valid than a movie/book/game spin-off. However, the games do provide enough background to sway my vote, all on their own.

[WhatsHisFace]

I've played Super Metroid and Mohammed Ali Boxing.

[Johnny DC]

Yes, I still would have voted for Master Chief. Samus is entirely unimpressive, both in ability and technology, and frankly, I can't see how anyone could even attempt to support an argument to the contrary.

I'll attempt.

I'm going to say that I disagree with you 100%. To me, at least, Samus has extremely impressive abilities (morph ball, screw attack, visor, etc.) and technology (suits, upgrades, grapple, arm cannon, etc.). In fact, the character is what has brought me back time and time again to play the Metroid games. Everything about Samas is bad-a##, and it's because of her abilities and technology. It's what's allowed her to have a following.

MC is what I call unimpressive. He's just a guy in a suit. With guns, which, by the way, could just be shot out of his hand.

Maybe it the fight all comes down to the suits they where, after all, you could argue that Samus is just some chick in a suit. In that case, the Samus suit would win, hands down. If any joe-shmoe used it, at least he'd still have the arm canon and be able to morph into a ball. MC's suit doesn't come equipped with anything. It's just super durable.

[DACMAN]

Yes, I still would have voted for Master Chief. Samus is entirely unimpressive, both in ability and technology, and frankly, I can't see how anyone could even attempt to support an argument to the contrary. Master Chief has even done more impressive things than she has IMO.

However, I don't think it fair to classify the books as "fan-fics". They aren't the idle ramblings of some bored 16 year old with nothing else to do, they are Bungie approved additions to the story, no less valid than a movie/book/game spin-off. However, the games do provide enough background to sway my vote, all on their own.
Not only are they Bungie approved, some of the information we learned in the books will come into play in the next game.

[DACMAN]

Did you even PLAY Metroid Prime?! If a space station exploded around you, and you didn't have an escape plan it'd mess you up too. Hell, MC barely got out of Halo, and he blew it up himself!
I didn't finish it or anything. I played an hour here and there. I thought it was EXTREMEMLY boring. Scan door, shoot single flying alien, scan door, shoot alien, scan door,.... *yawn*...... Oh wait, scan door, shoot alien, jump from platform to platform :rolleyes:

There is a reason the Game Cube hasn't been doing as well as the PS2 and Xbox. I don't know what took them so long to say "Gee, we need a GOOD Zelda game."

[WhatsHisFace]

MC's suit doesn't come equipped with anything. It's just super durable.
It has plasma shields, strength enhancers and accuracy balancers. Also, it's compatible with Cortana, who would definitely be helpful if it came down to the wire for Chief.

[JC Denton]

I don't know how many times I can say this. Look, a ****ing visor and grappling beam isn't going to help in a fight, and it's not even that impressive. Christ, please get this through your head! :rolleyes:

Her armor has been shown to be virtually useless attacks from even the weakest creatures (yeah, I know, I'm sure those bugs really are the size of a house, I'm just hallucinating when I play it, and when I look at screens and watch videos), she has been shown to have zero maneuverability in a fight (In MP, it's literally impossible to effectively dodge in certain areas, especially the Omega Pirate area that was littered with Phazon, due to the fact that Samus can't look and move at the same time). All of her weapons except for the Plasma cannon would be useless against a child, much less MC, and even the Plasma would be fairly easy to dodge considering MC can outrun automatic fire from an assault rifle (in game, to say nothing of "extra" abilities introduced post-game). Meanwhile, at Samus's pace, she could be hit from miles away, even after giving her ample warning. MC's weapons would be more effective than her, his abilities are far more impressive, he has a better grasp of tactics, etc. Samus stands no chance.

[JC Denton]

Yeah, all that doesn't shoot missiles and plasma beams. Samus can. Moreover, Chief needs ammo. Samus doesn't. And Samus can fly. Effectively Samus can evade MC forever, until he runs out of ammo, then she can just destroy his ass.

MC isn't that tough. The books are not conversational material here, it's about the gameplay, and MC is no tougher than Samus from Metroid Prime. Super Metroid, who EVERYONE would agree is the game from which to judge her, prove she can run at 150 mp/h, rump hundreds of feet into the air and just float, avoiding bullets before crashing into MC and destroying his shields, before plasma blasting him into oblivion.
Those missles are dodgeable with a yield comparable to a bottlerocket as well, and believe it or not, plasma kind of loses it's effectiveness when it can't hit the enemy, so that doesn't matter. The ammo argument isn't really relevant, considering one 60 round magazine from the AR would leave Samus a broken mess. Samus can't fly, she can use jets on her boots to barely jump as high as MC can in Halo. And if you want to ignore any other source material and simply go with games, then you are burying Samus, a woman who can't look/aim and move at the same time. Kind of hard for MC to miss a target that doesn't move, even if he is in the middle of dodging the ice beams she's sent creeping along in his direction.

[Johnny DC]

I don't know how many times I can say this. Look, a ****ing visor and grappling beam isn't going to help in a fight, and it's not even that impressive. Christ, please get this through your head! :rolleyes:

Her armor has been shown to be virtually useless attacks from even the weakest creatures (yeah, I know, I'm sure those bugs really are the size of a house, I'm just hallucinating when I play it, and when I look at screens and watch videos), she has been shown to have zero maneuverability in a fight (In MP, it's literally impossible to effectively dodge in certain areas, especially the Omega Pirate area that was littered with Phazon, due to the fact that Samus can't look and move at the same time). All of her weapons except for the Plasma cannon would be useless against a child, much less MC, and even the Plasma would be fairly easy to dodge considering MC can outrun automatic fire from an assault rifle (in game, to say nothing of "extra" abilities introduced post-game). Meanwhile, at Samus's pace, she could be hit from miles away, even after giving her ample warning. MC's weapons would be more effective than her, his abilities are far more impressive, he has a better grasp of tactics, etc. Samus stands no chance.

Don't you think you're exaggerating a bit?

And a laser is faster than a bullet.

[Johnny DC]

Those missles are dodgeable with a yield comparable to a bottlerocket as well, and believe it or not, plasma kind of loses it's effectiveness when it can't hit the enemy, so that doesn't matter. The ammo argument isn't really relevant, considering one 60 round magazine from the AR would leave Samus a broken mess. Samus can't fly, she can use jets on her boots to barely jump as high as MC can in Halo. And if you want to ignore any other source material and simply go with games, then you are burying Samus, a woman who can't look/aim and move at the same time. Kind of hard for MC to miss a target that doesn't move, even if he is in the middle of dodging the ice beams she's sent creeping along in his direction.

Alright, I'm getting frustrated. At what point in Halo can MC jump as high as Samus in MP? He can't! And you keep saying that Samus can't aim while moving. In MP she can!! And what about the missle/electric beam combo! It's like shooting lightning!!! Dodge that.

[CantThinkOfAName]

No, you're just mistaken.

The Chronology goes:

Metroid. Samus destory Zebes, and the metroids there, escaping just before the explosion.

Metroid Prime. She makes a pit stop at a space station in the Zebes system, and accidentally gets badly damaged, and lands on Talon IV, etc etc.

Metroid 2: The Return of Samus. Realizing the dangers of Metroids, Samus has to go exterminate them. She keeps the one baby survivor.

Super Metroid. The Last Metroid is in captivity. The Galaxy is at peace. And then we find out Zebes is rebuilt, Ridley kidnaps the last Metroid. Samus finishes the job and exterminates the last Metroids.

Metroid Fusion. I forget the story to this one and how it fits into the series.


Bottom line, Samus has bigger balls than MC, and she's a she.
In Fusion, it about how now planet sr388 has a changed ecosystem or whatever because the metroids are extinct and now X parasites, which were kept contained because of the metroids start to kill everything or soemthing.
So i think at the end Samus blows up sr388 or somethings, i cant remember:(

But yeah, Super Metroid only had one metroid, and MP took place inbetween 1 and 2, so it all works out:up:

[CantThinkOfAName]

Again, I could be mistaken, but I believe Metroid Fusion deals is about what happens to the ecosystem now that Metroids have been eliminated. The Metroids were the main predator of a parasite called X. Samus gets infected with X, so they inject Metroid blood into her or something, and now she's able to absorb the X to regain power and health.

I'm not a big fan of this one. It's too big of a change.yeah. i think thats the last part of the story so far.

[CantThinkOfAName]

Alright, I'm getting frustrated. At what point in Halo can MC jump as high as Samus in MP? He can't! And you keep saying that Samus can't aim while moving. In MP she can!! And what about the missle/electric beam combo! It's like shooting lightning!!! Dodge that.
If you blow MC up during co-op o multiplayer, he fly in the air pretty high:o:)

[WhatsHisFace]

So there's no Metroids in it, but it's still called "Metroid"? Geez, Zelda-fever.

[CantThinkOfAName]

So there's no Metroids in it, but it's still called "Metroid"? Geez, Zelda-fever.
well, you can count the metroid in samus' blood.:o

Essentially, the plot still revolved around the metroids.

[Johnny DC]

If you blow MC up during co-op o multiplayer, he fly in the air pretty high:o:)

I stand corrected :).

[Johnny DC]

So there's no Metroids in it, but it's still called "Metroid"? Geez, Zelda-fever.

lol. I never thought of that.

[Johnny DC]

Would it be possible for someone to photoshop images to make it look like Samus and MC are fighting, cause that would be sweet. :cool:

[Helghast]

http://img38.exs.cx/img38/990/cooolbeans.jpg

Worst. Photoshop. Ever. :o

[Johnny DC]

http://img38.exs.cx/img38/990/cooolbeans.jpg

Worst. Photoshop. Ever. :o

lol. That's pretty cool :cool: .

[DACMAN]

That is pretty cool.

[Kung Fu master]

That there is pretty cool.

[Kung Fu master]

Especially because it looks like Samus has the upper hand on MC and is just about to blast the *****e out of him.

[WhatsHisFace]

She has a plasma grenade attached to her.

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

She has a plasma grenade attached to her.


That's exactly what I was thinking. Bye Bye Samus. :o

[Helghast]

Does anyone have a picture of EGM's new cover they can give to me? :o Color of the MC on front doesn't matter.

[Kung Fu master]

She has a plasma grenade attached to her.

Yeah I guess it could be seen both ways.
We need a better pic.

[Johnny DC]

Does anyone have a picture of EGM's new cover they can give to me? :o Color of the MC on front doesn't matter.

Anyone? I'd like to see that.

[Spidey-Bat]

Master Chief. But as games, Metroid is much better.

[Johnny DC]

I finally made one. What do you guys think?
http://www.filehigh.com/serve/10358/80018.jpg

[블라스]

I think MC is about to get owned.

[Master Chief]

Nay. When I get owned, I either own them before being owned. So nay.

[블라스]

Nay. When I get owned, I either own them before being owned. So nay.

Not you, Foolio McFoolsterson! :mad:

The real MC!

[Master Chief]

I am the real MC! :mad: :upsidedownmad:

[블라스]

OH :confused:

[Johnny DC]

Whoa, Samus is winning now. She's been losing for a whole year.

[WhatsHisFace]

When was the last time a woman won anything?

But seriously, Samus is just a woman in armor. MasterChief is a genetically, orthopedically, nanotechnologically enhanced supersoldier who never misses and can look up while moving.

[hippie_hunter]

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/041226.jpg

[Master Chief]

Samus looks so purty.

[Is it Batman?]

When was the last time a woman won anything?

But seriously, Samus is just a woman in armor. MasterChief is a genetically, orthopedically, nanotechnologically enhanced supersoldier who never misses and can look up while moving.Samus' Armor > Master Chief's Armor. By a massive margin.

MC's armor is basically body armor with a little bit of strength enhancement. He misses all the time, because the novels don't count.

Samus' armor in it's weakest state can soak up a lot more damage and it has tons of things Master Chief's is sorely lacking. Five seperate energy weapons and 2 rocket launchers. Plus the screw attack. Samus wins no contest.

[ROFLcopter]

Samus, duh.

[WhatsHisFace]

Samus' Armor > Master Chief's Armor. By a massive margin.

MC's armor is basically body armor with a little bit of strength enhancement. He misses all the time, because the novels don't count.

Samus' armor in it's weakest state can soak up a lot more damage and it has tons of things Master Chief's is sorely lacking. Five seperate energy weapons and 2 rocket launchers. Plus the screw attack. Samus wins no contest.
Riz, you are gay. Stuff like this is why you cry yourself to sleep at night.

[TheCardPlayer]

I love Halo...but I also love Metroid and I have to say Samus would own Master Chief hard.

She's got more weapons and her armor is stronger.

Master Chief is stronger physically but Samus's agility and firepower would bring him down easily.

[Johnny DC]

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/041226.jpg
Heh :):up:

[Is it Batman?]

Riz, you are gay. Stuff like this is why you cry yourself to sleep at night.The truth? It hurts, but not enough to get me to cry.

[Ultimate Doom]

Master Cheif Rocks

[Sandman138]

Samus wins by the simple virtue that she has taken down a Metroid Queen.

[Scarlet spidey]

Bowser wins:confused:

[DareDemon]

Samus Aran vs. Master Chief.

Whoever Wins, We Lose

[Is it Batman?]

Samus Aran vs. Master Chief.

Whoever Wins, We LoseCause our heads would explode from all the awesome.

[DareDemon]

Cause our heads would explode from all the awesome.

YOUR HEAD A'SPLODE!

[Kipobe]

Samus!

[Spidey-Bat]

Samus no doubt.

[gildea]

you can look up whilst moving in metroid you know...

[DareDemon]

If they were both just teleported to an arena or the battle began without any knowledge of said battle about to take place, with Samus and Master Chief both at their most powerful/with their most powerful weapons, I think Samus would win.

But if they had prep time, I think Master Chief would win, because he has more military knowledge tactics and would probably use the rocket launcher's scope to blast her a few times before switching to the rifle....or maybe another rocket launcher. Not to mention plasma grenades...

[Galactus]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1601830548444461323&q=metroid
:)

[Johnny DC]

Look what I found at deviantart:

http://ic3.deviantart.com/fs13/f/2007/009/0/9/Gamepro_Cover___Shooters_by_UdonCrew.jpg

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/46342345/?qo=56&q=by%3Audoncrew&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps

It was used for the Nov 2004 issue of GamePro, the cover story being Halo 2 vs. Killzone vs. Metroid Prime 2.

Anyone know who won?

[Warhammer]

Samus, easily.

[DACMAN]

Look what I found at deviantart:

http://ic3.deviantart.com/fs13/f/2007/009/0/9/Gamepro_Cover___Shooters_by_UdonCrew.jpg

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/46342345/?qo=56&q=by%3Audoncrew&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps

It was used for the Nov 2004 issue of GamePro, the cover story being Halo 2 vs. Killzone vs. Metroid Prime 2.

Anyone know who won?In sales Halo 2.

And I've played all the MP games, all the Halo games, and read all the Halo books. Samus wouldn't last 5 seconds against the Chief.

The guy is strong enough to flip over a full sized tank. He is fast enough to move around people while they seemingly stand still. He is as well read in military tactics as Captain America. He has a suit that has an energy shield while enhancing all the abilities I just mentioned.

[jaydawg]

Samus has boobs. Fight over.

[DACMAN]

heh.:D

[Zenien]

Samus would kick his ass.

[narutofan236]

samus

[Spidey-Bat]

In sales Halo 2.

And I've played all the MP games, all the Halo games, and read all the Halo books. Samus wouldn't last 5 seconds against the Chief.

The guy is strong enough to flip over a full sized tank. He is fast enough to move around people while they seemingly stand still. He is as well read in military tactics as Captain America. He has a suit that has an energy shield while enhancing all the abilities I just mentioned.

There are more Metroid games than the Prime series.

[Hitman]

I'll go with master chief

[TheGrayGhost]

Samus. No contest.

A fairer fight would Samus vs. Megaman or Masterchief vs. Jigglypuff.

[Brainiac 8]

Samus would kick his ass.


Yes she would. :up:

[Deleted User]

Only problem I see there is that she wouldn't. He'd rip her in twain, with his bare hands.

[Spidey-Bat]

Do you have any idea how powerful Samus is with her suit?

[Deleted User]

Do you have any idea how powerful Samus is with her suit?

Do you have any idea how powerful MC is even without his suit? :huh:

[Zenien]

Read the log entries in Prime to get a better idea of the things Samus just walks right over on a daily basis. Not to mention that the Space pirates are a race that have been genetically modifying themselves to be stronger and more resilient for like, ever.

[DACMAN]

Do you have any idea how powerful MC is even without his suit? :huh:Aw snap.

[Deleted User]

Read the log entries in Prime to get a better idea of the things Samus just walks right over on a daily basis. Not to mention that the Space pirates are a race that have been genetically modifying themselves to be stronger and more resilient for like, ever.

You should read the books to see what John walks over on a daily basis. To put it quite literally, anything and everything. That's not even hyperbole in the least, really.. even 10ft, half ton aliens which are basically just machinations of metal/flesh can't stop him. It's not like he's some push over or that his suit doesn't amplify his already super-human powers/senses.

But really now, the Covenant are inheritly strong and resilient. Hell, even just Elites can one-punch human marines and kill them. It's not like they're run-of-the-mill just-above human level sort of creatures.

:huh:

[Spidey-Bat]

Do you have any idea how powerful MC is even without his suit? :huh:

Has he ever taken it off? I doubt it. Samus has done the job without the suit and with a weaker one.

This is a stupid thread. We all know they'd never fight. They'd have sex and breed an army of super soldiers who take over the universe.

[TheGrayGhost]

Isn't also well established that Samus is incredibly skilled, even without her suit. She's been raised and trained by the Chozo, who, next to the Alimbic, are the most powerful and advanced warriors in the universe...

Anyway, I think a better match up for Master Chief, like I said, is Jigglypuff:

http://www.projectbag.com/pokemon/pics/jigglypuff02.jpg

[Deleted User]

Isn't also well established that Samus is incredibly skilled, even without her suit. She's been raised and trained by the Chozo, who, next to the Alimbic, are the most powerful and advanced warriors in the universe...

Anyway, I think a better match up for Master Chief, like I said, is Jigglypuff:



Yes, and MC single-handedly killed 3 ODSTs (without even trying to, he was just trying to defend himself) without his suit of armour. And you must know, since you seem to know so much about the Halo universe, that ODSTs are the elite of the human military.

But I'm sure you already knew all of this, right? You're a ****ing joke, GrayGhost, go crawl back into your hole. I thought we already established this in countless other threads.

And actually, to Spidey-Bat, he does take it off. He has to take it off for repairs, and he usually takes it off (at least parts) when he's not on active duty. Rare, yes, but it happens in the books a few times.

[TheGrayGhost]

Well, I don't read the books and therefore do not acknowledge what happens in that continuity. If the Halo games aren't competent enough to encompass the story and need the books as a crutch to hold the convoluted story and character together, it isn't my fault. I simply look at the game. That said I think Jigglypuff is an excellent match-up against Master Chief. I'm not kidding. Well maybe I am a little a bit.

...Jigglypuff would win, btw.

[Master Chief]

But jigglypuff is like, a floodlet. :huh:

[Deleted User]

Well, I don't read the books and therefore do not acknowledge what happens in that continuity. If the Halo games aren't competent enough to encompass the story and need the books as a crutch to hold the convoluted story and character together, it isn't my fault. I simply look at the game. That said I think Jigglypuff is an excellent match-up against Master Chief. I'm not kidding.

It's a FPS. What do you expect? They can't fit his whole backstory into detail in the game, that would be absolutely ridiculous. Thus, Bungie has to use the books and other ways to explain the finer parts of the game's background. It's a perfectly acceptable way of telling the story. As long as they're not cutting out the "here and now" in the game so they can do some profiteering with the books.

And as always, your comments bore me.

[Spidey-Bat]

It's a FPS. What do you expect? They can't fit his whole backstory into detail in the game, that would be absolutely ridiculous. Thus, Bungie has to use the books and other ways to explain the finer parts of the game's background. It's a perfectly acceptable way of telling the story. As long as they're not cutting out the "here and now" in the game so they can do some profiteering with the books.

And as always, your comments bore me.


No it wouldn't. Honestly, the only reason they are even making those books is for money. They are milking the franchise for all its worth because they know all the Halo whores are going out there and getting them. They could fit his back story into the game. But why spend years developing a game to progress the story when you can churn out a book in a few months?

[TheGrayGhost]

But jigglypuff is like, a floodlet. :huh:

Yet the little guy still manages to pwn at Smash. I hate it with a passion. A passion, I tell you! Do yourself a favor, and never underestimate Jigglypuff in a match-up, or you might lose the semi-finals to some pimpled loser who steals your Smash-king title!!! Ah...

[Deleted User]

No it wouldn't. Honestly, the only reason they are even making those books is for money. They are milking the franchise for all its worth because they know all the Halo whores are going out there and getting them. They could fit his back story into the game. But why spend years developing a game to progress the story when you can churn out a book in a few months?

His backstory is too ****ing big to be explained in a game. People don't want 30 minute cutscenes like MGS or whatever in a FPS, as far as I can see. They could've done more with his backstory with the original, for sure.. but they still couldn't have reached the level of depth, anywhere near, that the books reach.

And really, the books have been released at yearly intervals, at least. I think even more than that, really. Also, a Bungie-employee doesn't write them, Eric Nylund (at least, he wrote the first two or three) writes them and Bungie approves the content.

[Fenrir]

Well, I don't read the books and therefore do not acknowledge what happens in that continuity.

Bungie does. And that's all that matters. So quit acting like a self-deafened juvenile who can't drop the asinine notion of what he thinks, goes.

If the Halo games aren't competent enough to encompass the story and need the books as a crutch to hold the convoluted story and character together, it isn't my fault.

And if you're so ****ing dumb as to refer such a straightforward story as Halo's as "convoluted", it isn't our fault either. The books are a source of additional insight into the Halo universe with information that isn't necessarily relevant to the basic premise of the game. The game's story is more about the war, the bigger picture instead of focusing on characters and other intimate details. There's nothing bad per se with this approach. It's simply a different way of telling the story.

[Fenrir]

Oh and on topic here - Samus is a bounty hunter that fights space pirates and parasitic lifeforms. Master Chief is a military supersoldier and a tactical mastermind who has single-handedly wiped out entire armies of a much more physically as well as technologically superior alien race. He would annihilate Samus within seconds.

[Spidey-Bat]

Oh and on topic here - Samus is a bounty hunter that fights space pirates and parasitic lifeforms. Master Chief is a military supersoldier and a tactical mastermind who has single-handedly wiped out entire armies of a much more physically as well as technologically superior alien race. He would annihilate Samus within seconds.

Obviously you know nothing about the Metroid series. Samus does more than fight space pirates and parasites.

[Master Chief]

Yet the little guy still manages to pwn at Smash. I hate it with a passion. A passion, I tell you! Do yourself a favor, and never underestimate Jigglypuff in a match-up, or you might lose the semi-finals to some pimpled loser who steals your Smash-king title!!! Ah...

lol, yeah. I forgot about those matches where I got my ass kicked by jigglypuff. I think some people only mastered the puff so they could be labeled king of SMB. :csad:

[Fenrir]

Obviously you know nothing about the Metroid series. Samus does more than fight space pirates and parasites.

Well I've played the Metroid Prime games and in a nutshell, that's pretty much all that she does. And really, unless she's decimated entire armies of physically superior and technologically advanced armies like the Chief does as regular routine, I don't see how she stands a chance either way.

[Spidey-Bat]

Because her power suit gives her abilities far superior to any of Master Chiefs.

[Fenrir]

Because her power suit gives her abilities far superior to any of Master Chiefs.

Yet she does not possess nowhere near the Chief's level of tactical prowess and hardened combat expertise. And so what if her suit gives her superior abilities? Haven't you been reading my last two posts? The Chief has wiped the floor with entire legions and armies consisting of foes who were physically and technologically superior to him in every way. How is Samus any different?

Oh and don't underestimate Master Chief's MJOLNIR armor. It may not have the fancy gizmos like Samus' suit does but it's more than capable of keeping him in one piece, at least long enough until Chief closes in for the kill. And I doubt even Samus' Power suit has the ability to withstand the strength of someone who can turn over a tank.

[Spidey-Bat]

Yet she does not possess nowhere near the Chief's level of tactical prowess and hardened combat expertise. And so what if her suit gives her superior abilities? Haven't you been reading my last two posts? The Chief has wiped the floor with entire legions and armies consisting of foes who were physically and technologically superior to him in every way. How is Samus any different?

Oh and don't underestimate Master Chief's MJOLNIR armor. It may not have the fancy gizmos like Samus' suit does but it's more than capable of keeping him in one piece, at least long enough until Chief closes in for the kill. And I doubt even Samus' Power suit has the ability to withstand the strength of someone who can turn over a tank.

Actually it does.

[Fenrir]

Actually it does.

Really? How? :rolleyes:

[TheGrayGhost]

lol, yeah. I forgot about those matches where I got my ass kicked by jigglypuff. I think some people only mastered the puff so they could be labeled king of SMB. :csad:

Ain't that the truth...:woot:

Oh and on topic here - Samus is a bounty hunter that fights space pirates and parasitic lifeforms. Master Chief is a military supersoldier and a tactical mastermind who has single-handedly wiped out entire armies of a much more physically as well as technologically superior alien race. He would annihilate Samus within seconds.

Within seconds, huh? Are you... a republican?

Because her power suit gives her abilities far superior to any of Master Chiefs.

Not to mention that Samus herself has been infused with the blood of the Chozo as a child, later with Metroid DNA, and Phazon as an adult. All of these have dramatic implications. Her Chozo blood endows her with all the natural abilities of the Chozo, the oldest and most advanced civilization (next to the Alimbic) in the Metroid universe. These abilities include agility, intelligence, stamina, reflexes, and endurance. She was originally infused with their blood for her to withstand the inhabitable conditions of Zebes, the home planet of the Chozo (planetary conditions, by the way, which Master Chief, even with the suit, would not be able to withstand.) Additionally, the Chozo are far, far more advanced than the, uh, Covenant.

And there's tons more. But really, Samus' Varia Suit and assorted weaponry is more than enough to handle Master Chief. It's like Wonder Woman vs. Captain America-lite.

[TheGrayGhost]

Really? How? :rolleyes:

Yeah, it does. Just trust us.

[Fenrir]

Within seconds, huh? Are you... a republican?

Way off the mark, chump. Not even an American.

[TheGrayGhost]

Oh, my mistake. You could pass as one, though.

[Fenrir]

Yeah, it does. Just trust us.

Only if you trust me when I say the Chief will wipe the floor clean with pretty girl Samus. Stupid answers beget stupid answers.

[Fenrir]

Not to mention that Samus herself has been infused with the blood of the Chozo as a child, later with Metroid DNA, and Phazon as an adult. All of these have dramatic implications. Her Chozo blood endows her with all the natural abilities of the Chozo, the oldest and most advanced civilization (next to the Alimbic) in the Metroid universe. These abilities include agility, intelligence, stamina, reflexes, and endurance. She was originally infused with their blood for her to withstand the inhabitable conditions of Zebes, the home planet of the Chozo (planetary conditions, by the way, which Master Chief, even with the suit, would not be able to withstand.) Additionally, the Chozo are far, far more advanced than the, uh, Covenant.

Tough luck, the Master Chief has them too. And his incredible achievements on the battlefield prove he's a much more formidable adversary that Samus can ever hope to be. And this is the third time I'm saying this now - Master Chief singlehandedly and routinely annihilates entire armies of a much more physically and technologically superior alien civilization. It's like his everyday job.

And unless there is something in Samus' portfolio that can match that feat, she has no way of taking on everyone's favorite green spartan.

And there's tons more.

"Enlighten me".

[Fenrir]

Oh, my mistake. You could pass as one, though.

Hot-diggity.

[TheGrayGhost]

Tough luck, the Master Chief has them too.

But not to the degree of Samus. The Chozo are utterly superior to just about every other creature in any universe. They're like Jedis, but far more agile and intelligent.

And his incredible achievements on the battlefield prove he's a much more formidable adversary that Samus can ever hope to be.

Eh. I'd like to see Master Chief take down a Metroid larvae.

[Fenrir]

But not to the degree of Samus. The Chozo are utterly superior to just about every other creature in any universe. They're like Jedis, but far more agile and intelligent.

Pity that even with all those abilities, she still can't accomplish in her all exploits what the Chief does everyday.

Eh. I'd like to see Master Chief take down a Metroid larvae.

He took down a Covenant Assault carrier the size of a starship cruiser. Within seconds. Some ugly overgrown parasite is hardly a challenge to him.

[Deleted User]

I see Fenrir has been cleaning up while I was away.. I have to just add.. that you people grossly underestimate the Chief. If you have ever read the books (which you need to to even be able to grasp this conversation), even when he is first given his exceptional attributes, he is able to kill 3 ODSTs, bare-fisted and without armour, barely using his full strength. All he basically had to do was one-two punch them all and they ended up dead. It even reads in the novel that the movements of 3 highly-trained soldiers were like fists through water to him. Cut forward a few years, and you have the current John-117. At this point, it's only fair to say that he is even stronger, faster, and smarter than he was back then.

Who wins up close and personal? Johnny-boy. That brings us to the second scenario, considering that MC can't close the distance between Samus and himself..

Okay, so it's MC and his arsenal of magnetically-charged ballistic equipment versus Samus and her ice weapon and flamethrower, and the rest of her arsenal. According to what I've heard from people who've played the game, the ice weapon is slow as ****, so we can count that out. Flamethrower? No idea. Then it comes down to what really matters, suit vs. suit. Some of you seem to be under the impression that MC's suit is basically just a metal casing. If you've ever played the game, you'll see that this is indeed, not true considering it has a shield which can repel multiple hits from super-heated plasma. Not to mention the fact that his suit is hydraulically-powered, so his movement speed is, in fact, amplified when wearing it. Also not mentioning that also because of such, he can jump in normal atmospheres like an astronaut on the moon almost. (Yes, this is an exaggeration, I realize, but just giving you a visualization)

I don't really know much about Samus's suit besides it can lock on, and she can scan opponents for weak points. Maybe someone else can fill in the blanks for me.

[TheGrayGhost]

I don't understand how you can count the books as part of this argument. Although I haven't read the books, my understanding is that the events in the books are outside the realm of possibility in the actual video-game. I think it's taking the character into a different context. Regardless, I think this match-up is stacked in Samus' favor. She has equal or greater abilities in strength, speed, intelligence, stamina, etc. Her Varia Suit, Gravity Suit, Dark/Light Suit, Fusion Suit, etc. are incredibly, incredibly, incredibly, incredibly powerful, and the technologies and weapons at her disposal (which is a MASSIVE catalogue of weapons) is without a doubt way more advanced than anything Master Chief has every come across. Several of her weapons enable her to run at the speed of sound, kill anything instantly upon contact, grapple opponents to her, and jump infinitely. All of her weapons have infinite ammo and even her more mundane weapons like the charge shot, morph ball, power bomb, and boost ball can yield devastating results.Samus is an enormously powerful character, and she too much for any video-game character to handle.

Fenrir was quick to point out that Master Chief can defeat entire armies on a daily basis and that Samus has no such experience. I have a few comments regarding this:

1) Is this another reference to the books, or did I miss something from the video-games? Where in the game has Master Chief been able to to defeat entire armies by himself all at one time?

2) Samus has been able to defeat an entire federation of Space Pirates, an alien race that is arguably more deadly than anything Master Chief has faced, especially with Ridely, Kraid, etc. are included in their ranks. Samus, too, has been able to take on the feared Metroids, an alien species with an immense potential for power. I sincerely doubt Master Chief, as he is equipped now, will be able to take on even a Metroid larvae, much less a mature Metroid or Metroid Prime.

3) It also needs to be understood that any differences in this respect stem from fundamental differences in their respective genres. Halo is a fast-paced FPS with an emphasis on linear progression and instantly-gratifying combat. Metroid is the exact opposite.

I guess the only way to settle this is if Master Chief makes his to Brawl.

[SLYspyder]

master chief is basically a super soldier, kinda like Captain America, and Samus is more like Iron woman.

both have taken out entire armies. samus especially, since she doesn't have backup and the bosses she come across are much MORe powerful than MC's bosses.

MC's suit is pretty much just fancy armor, with a nice shield.

Samus's armor is much more powerful. Scanning, X-ray, Sonar radar, missles, all sorts of energy beams, grapple, morphing, spin attack, all built into her armor.

1v1 combat without the suits, i'd give it to mc.

but with the suits, which is what the characters are about, samus would trounce mc.

[Fenrir]

I don't understand how you can count the books as part of this argument.

Because they are part of the argument - they are official sources of supplemental information for deeper insight into the Halo universe approved by Bungie and are in continuity. I don't know why that is so difficult for your little peanut brain to grasp.

Although I haven't read the books, my understanding is that the events in the books are outside the realm of possibility in the actual video-game. I think it's taking the character into a different context.

If you're only considering events that in the realm of possibility in the game, then why the **** are you arguing in favor of Samus, you little hypocrite? In the game Samus can't even look up while moving and shooting, and her suit does not give her the kind of amplification that the Chief's MJOLNIR armor does. Heck, she can be overwhelmed and killed by a harde of little critters. Sure, her suit has a lot of fancy gizmos - X-ray vision, thermal vision, scanning and whatnot, but her offensive arsenal is hardly anything that is enough to take down the Chief. How? Because according to your own parameters of only considering things "that are in the realm of possibility in the actual game", on full-shields, the Master Chief can walk away even after a direct hit from a huge plasma mortar shot from a Covenant Wraith tank, and none of Samus' energy weapons have that kind of destructive power.

Regardless, I think this match-up is stacked in Samus' favor. She has equal or greater abilities in strength, speed, intelligence, stamina, etc. Her Varia Suit, Gravity Suit, Dark/Light Suit, Fusion Suit, etc. are incredibly, incredibly, incredibly, incredibly powerful, and the technologies and weapons at her disposal (which is a MASSIVE catalogue of weapons) is without a doubt way more advanced than anything Master Chief has every come across.

Please, who are trying to fool with that b.s, junior? I'm not a newbie to the Metroid series. Considering what the suits themselves do in the game, there is no indication whatsoever that the above suits are "incredibly, incredibly, incredibly, incredibly poweful". In fact, her other suits simply giver her a incremental armor boosts and a few special abilities from environmental hazards, none of which would into play in a head-on battle with the Chief.

Varia suit? It has nothing special. Besides, isn't it only the first basic upgrade to the stripped down suit she starts in MP? What's so "incredibly, incredibly, incredibly, incredibly" powerful about it, chump?

Gravity suit? Isn't it used to travel underwater and nullify damage from acid pits? How will that help her against the Chief?

Dark/Light suits? Used to provide protection against hazardous atmosphere on certain planets.

Fusion suit? Never heard of this one but like all the other suits, I doubt it will give her any relevant ability boosts that suddenly turn Samus into a killing machine like she needs to if she wants any hope of facing the Chief.

Several of her weapons enable her to run at the speed of sound, kill anything instantly upon contact, grapple opponents to her, and jump infinitely.

Pray tell, which weapon in which game "enables her to run at the speed of sound", because I think you're B.S'ing again and making inane exaggerations. The Chief has survived countless weapons that are also supposed to "kill anything instantly upon contact" as well, so I don't see how Samus' arsenal is any different. As for grappling opponents to her, well and good, one hit from the Chief's fists has taken down 10 foot tall Elites with shields to boot. Samus would go down instantly. And you know what's the best part of all this - your stupid "must only be in the game" cop out actually works to the Chief's advantage here, considering he is able to do all that in-game while Samus can be easily overwhelmed by an instance of half-a-dozen Space pirates all attacking her at once where the Chief always faces enemies by the dozens.

All of her weapons have infinite ammo and even her more mundane weapons like the charge shot, morph ball, power bomb, and boost ball can yield devastating results.

If her weapons in MP and MP2 are not enough to kill space pirates with single hits, they won't do much good against Master Chief.

Samus is an enormously powerful character, and she too much for any video-game character to handle.

Yeah right. :rolleyes:

Fenrir was quick to point out that Master Chief can defeat entire armies on a daily basis and that Samus has no such experience. I have a few comments regarding this:

1) Is this another reference to the books, or did I miss something from the video-games? Where in the game has Master Chief been able to to defeat entire armies by himself all at one time?

Umm, from what I remember, the first game - in the Silent Cartographer and Assault on the Control Room levels, where you repeatedly take on entire Covenant armies killing literally hundreds of Elites, jackals, grunts and hunters in wide-open spaces during a single level. And let's not forget The Library level, where he singlehandedly fights his way out of a parasitic wormhole, killing thousands of the seemingly never-ending Flood in the process. He stormed Covenant Assault carriers twice - once to rescue Keyes and the next time when Keyes is killed by the flood, wiping out entire squads and batallions of Covenant and Flood in the process. And in the second game, you actually see him take down said kind of Covenant Assault carrier the size of starships within seconds. You can actually pull those feats off in-game. What the novels state about the Chief's unmatchable combat prowess are actually complimentary and totally keeping in line with his abilities in the game.

2) Samus has been able to defeat an entire federation of Space Pirates, an alien race that is arguably more deadly than anything Master Chief has faced, especially with Ridely, Kraid, etc. are included in their ranks.

The Space Pirates are a group of petty thieves of technology. The Covenant is a group of alien species with intergalactic armies that have taken over or wiped out entire planets.

Samus, too, has been able to take on the feared Metroids, an alien species with an immense potential for power. I sincerely doubt Master Chief, as he is equipped now, will be able to take on even a Metroid larvae, much less a mature Metroid or Metroid Prime.

From what I know, Metroid are parasitic lifeforms just like The Flood. But The Flood are much worse, as they consume and mutate every single natural resource and not just living creatures, and the only way to contain an interplanetary outbreak of The Flood is to destroy an entire galaxy (that's what the Halos are for).

3) It also needs to be understood that any differences in this respect stem from fundamental differences in their respective genres. Halo is a fast-paced FPS with an emphasis on linear progression and instantly-gratifying combat. Metroid is the exact opposite.

Uhh...so? That still doesn't change the fact that Master Chief has infinitely greater combat prowess (both tactically and strategically speaking) and battlefield experience than Samus. Technologically speaking, the Chief's armor has withstood far worse than anything Samus can throw at him. And that's just considering things in the context of the games themselves. As far as the novels are concerned, they are official supplements to the game, are a part of the current continuity and the only source to Master Chief's background and origins. And they are approved by Bungie. Only a retard-by-choice would dismiss them as not being a genuine and valid part of the Halo universe.

I guess the only way to settle this is if Master Chief makes his to Brawl.

Master Chief has far more important things to deal with, like saving humanity from extinction instead of going prancing around in stupid kiddy games fighting the likes of Pokemon and Mario. :down:

[Brainiac 8]

Samus and Master Chief are not real, so he doesn't have any important things to do except be fought over by X-Bot fanboys. :down

[TheGrayGhost]

Because they are part of the argument - they are official sources of supplemental information for deeper insight into the Halo universe approved by Bungie and are in continuity. I don't know why that is so difficult for your little peanut brain to grasp.



If you're only considering events that in the realm of possibility in the game, then why the **** are you arguing in favor of Samus, you little hypocrite? In the game Samus can't even look up while moving and shooting, and her suit does not give her the kind of amplification that the Chief's MJOLNIR armor does. Heck, she can be overwhelmed and killed by a harde of little critters. Sure, her suit has a lot of fancy gizmos - X-ray vision, thermal vision, scanning and whatnot, but her offensive arsenal is hardly anything that is enough to take down the Chief. How? Because according to your own parameters of only considering things "that are in the realm of possibility in the actual game", on full-shields, the Master Chief can walk away even after a direct hit from a huge plasma mortar shot from a Covenant Wraith tank, and none of Samus' energy weapons have that kind of destructive power.



Please, who are trying to fool with that b.s, junior? I'm not a newbie to the Metroid series. Considering what the suits themselves do in the game, there is no indication whatsoever that the above suits are "incredibly, incredibly, incredibly, incredibly poweful". In fact, her other suits simply giver her a incremental armor boosts and a few special abilities from environmental hazards, none of which would into play in a head-on battle with the Chief.

Varia suit? It has nothing special. Besides, isn't it only the first basic upgrade to the stripped down suit she starts in MP? What's so "incredibly, incredibly, incredibly, incredibly" powerful about it, chump?

Gravity suit? Isn't it used to travel underwater and nullify damage from acid pits? How will that help her against the Chief?

Dark/Light suits? Used to provide protection against hazardous atmosphere on certain planets.

Fusion suit? Never heard of this one but like all the other suits, I doubt it will give her any relevant ability boosts that suddenly turn Samus into a killing machine like she needs to if she wants any hope of facing the Chief.



Pray tell, which weapon in which game "enables her to run at the speed of sound", because I think you're B.S'ing again and making inane exaggerations. The Chief has survived countless weapons that are also supposed to "kill anything instantly upon contact" as well, so I don't see how Samus' arsenal is any different. As for grappling opponents to her, well and good, one hit from the Chief's fists has taken down 10 foot tall Elites with shields to boot. Samus would go down instantly. And you know what's the best part of all this - your stupid "must only be in the game" cop out actually works to the Chief's advantage here, considering he is able to do all that in-game while Samus can be easily overwhelmed by an instance of half-a-dozen Space pirates all attacking her at once where the Chief always faces enemies by the dozens.



If her weapons in MP and MP2 are not enough to kill space pirates with single hits, they won't do much good against Master Chief.



Yeah right. :rolleyes:



Umm, from what I remember, the first game - in the Silent Cartographer and Assault on the Control Room levels, where you repeatedly take on entire Covenant armies killing literally hundreds of Elites, jackals, grunts and hunters in wide-open spaces during a single level. And let's not forget The Library level, where he singlehandedly fights his way out of a parasitic wormhole, killing thousands of the seemingly never-ending Flood in the process. He stormed Covenant Assault carriers twice - once to rescue Keyes and the next time when Keyes is killed by the flood, wiping out entire squads and batallions of Covenant and Flood in the process. And in the second game, you actually see him take down said kind of Covenant Assault carrier the size of starships within seconds. You can actually pull those feats off in-game. What the novels state about the Chief's unmatchable combat prowess are actually complimentary and totally keeping in line with his abilities in the game.



The Space Pirates are a group of petty thieves of technology. The Covenant is a group of alien species with intergalactic armies that have taken over or wiped out entire planets.



From what I know, Metroid are parasitic lifeforms just like The Flood. But The Flood are much worse, as they consume and mutate every single natural resource and not just living creatures, and the only way to contain an interplanetary outbreak of The Flood is to destroy an entire galaxy (that's what the Halos are for).



Uhh...so? That still doesn't change the fact that Master Chief has infinitely greater combat prowess (both tactically and strategically speaking) and battlefield experience than Samus. Technologically speaking, the Chief's armor has withstood far worse than anything Samus can throw at him. And that's just considering things in the context of the games themselves. As far as the novels are concerned, they are official supplements to the game, are a part of the current continuity and the only source to Master Chief's background and origins. And they are approved by Bungie. Only a retard-by-choice would dismiss them as not being a genuine and valid part of the Halo universe.

Ugh. The facts still stand. All of this is just B.S. and slight-ignorance on your part of the Metroid universe. But I'll gladly continue; as soon as I get the chance, I'll provide you with a proper response.


Master Chief has far more important things to deal with, like saving humanity from extinction instead of going prancing around in stupid kiddy games fighting the likes of Pokemon and Mario. :down

That stupid little kiddy game is a better game than any and all games that will ever appear on the 360 console. IN fact, I take back the invitation. :yay:

[Fenrir]

Ugh. The facts still stand. All of this is just B.S. and slight-ignorance on your part of the Metroid universe. But I'll gladly continue; as soon as I get the chance, I'll provide you with a proper response.

I'll be here chummy. Be sure to come back when you grow a spine and another half of the brain that you're currently lacking.


That stupid little kiddy game is a better game than any and all games that will ever appear on the 360 console.

Yeah, if you're a frickin' 12 year old...

IN fact, I take back the invitation. :yay:

And this little juvenile comment proves that you are. :up:

"Oh noes! TheGrayGhost took back his invitation from Master Chief for a brawl in a stupid kiddy game! Woe is me and all that is Halo! :( :( :( "

:whatever:

[TheGrayGhost]

I'll be here chummy.

Good. Expect a reply later today. I would compose one right now, but since I haven't read the books and apparently don't have a proper understanding of Master Chief's abilities, I'm going to have a few of my friends who play the games and read the books inform me. It should be interesting.

Be sure to come back when you grow a spine and another half of the brain that you're currently lacking.

Are you serious, or just a bit facetious? Either way, I don't think I've demonstrated that I'm in need of a spine or half of a brain. This is completely out of the blue.

Yeah, if you're a frickin' 12 year old...

Nah. You might be a cave troll and shun the light and everything that is good and fun, but Smash is critically renowned and adored by gamers, young and old. It's the best multiplayer game. Period.

And this little juvenile comment proves that you are. :up:

It's just a joke. Sheesh.

"Oh noes! TheGrayGhost took back his invitation from Master Chief for a brawl in a stupid kiddy game! Woe is me and all that is Halo! :( :( :( "

:whatever:

:dry:

[Fenrir]

Good. Expect a reply later today. I would compose one right now, but since I haven't read the books and apparently don't have a proper understanding of Master Chief's abilities, I'm going to have a few of my friends who play the games and read the books inform me. It should be interesting.

Great, and here you were arguing with me for the last two pages about how Samus would supposedly "beat" the Chief without knowing dick about the Chief's capabilities? It took you that long to realize your dumbfounded ignorance? :dry:

Are you serious, or just a bit facetious? Either way, I don't think I've demonstrated that I'm in need of a spine or half of a brain. This is completely out of the blue.

With your incessant white-washing of these forums with Nintendo-cum, one wouldn't have a huge problem harboring such notions about you, regardless of how exaggerated they might be. :o

Nah. You might be a cave troll and shun the light and everything that is good and fun, but Smash is critically renowned and adored by gamers, young and old. It's the best multiplayer game. Period.

Yes, if you're a frickin' 12 year old. And since you seem to be more no more older than that age yourself, I wouldn't exactly have to take into consideration what you define as "old", junior.

[spartan 117]

I would have to agree with Fenrir; however, this guy TheGrayGhost has been my friend in real life for years. This is one subject that I would not agree with him.

Sorry, TheGrayGhost, this is one battle that Samus cannot win...

[spartan 117]

1) Is this another reference to the books, or did I miss something from the video-games? Where in the game has Master Chief been able to to defeat entire armies by himself all at one time?


Although you are my friend this is where you are dearly mistaken. YOU HAVE NEVER PLAYED "HALO" FOR MORE THAN A DAY; if you have it has been more multiplayer than anything.

Also, you have never owned another gaming system in your entire life other than Nintendo. It would help if you actually took on the role as the MC and felt the chaos of "LEGENDARY" the Covenant are no push-overs.

Another point, if I am not mistaken the best technology in the universe is the 'Forerunner' technology, and guess what MC's suit I think is at a level 3 or 4 on their charts which happens to be very strong indeed.

[gildea]

cripes halo fans are scary.


anyway samus takes this.

Better firepower, suit can take more punishment and she's far more agile.

[Deleted User]

master chief is basically a super soldier, kinda like Captain America, and Samus is more like Iron woman.

both have taken out entire armies. samus especially, since she doesn't have backup and the bosses she come across are much MORe powerful than MC's bosses.

MC's suit is pretty much just fancy armor, with a nice shield.

Samus's armor is much more powerful. Scanning, X-ray, Sonar radar, missles, all sorts of energy beams, grapple, morphing, spin attack, all built into her armor.

1v1 combat without the suits, i'd give it to mc.

but with the suits, which is what the characters are about, samus would trounce mc.

Once again, you think his suit is just a hunk of metal with a shield. Which is.. for lack of a better word.. horrendously wrong.

[Deleted User]

cripes halo fans are scary.


anyway samus takes this.

Better firepower, suit can take more punishment and she's far more agile.

Proven by what? :huh:

Because you say so? Sorry, but your opinion doesn't make fact.

[Zenien]

lol at playing the game on extreme difficulty to make the case the the convenant are no push overs.

And for all the books attempts to make the chief into a total super human, in what way does any of that translate into the actual core games? Or right, he's strong enough to flip over a tank and has none of those amazing feats. Yes he's strong, but even with Cortana he's not single shotting 3 grunts at once with an AR or moving like a blur. Yes he's strong, yes he's fast, yes he's powerful, but he's not Samus Aran. And yes, I've read the books, and played the games, and I've also played Prime, and read the descriptions of the enemies, log entries, etc. Space Pirates most likely stronger then the convanent and the bosses Samus fights would eat MC for breakfast.

And we're talking about a suit that has the technology to lay around in molten lava without the user feeling any heat.

Stop splooging over a picture of Master Chief while listening to the Mijornir Mix fora second and educate yourself about Samus a bit.

[gildea]

Once again, you think his suit is just a hunk of metal with a shield. Which is.. for lack of a better word.. horrendously wrong.

It may amp up his abilties but really so what? In game it doesn't really amount to anything.

I agree he's physically stronger than samus but he's nowhere near as agile.

He definetly can't take as much punishment either, three decent shots with a simple handgun, one head shot with a sniper rifle or one close up shot with a shot gun and he's toast.

Samus walks through lava, get hit by all manner of powerful lasers, missiles and so on and walks away.


Another simple test of this (if we choose to ignore how easily chief is taken out with simple human weapons) would be to :
a) in metroid go up to a space pirate (the main 'power grunt') on the hardest setting with samus and see how long samus lives for
b) in halo go up to a red elite on legendary (the main 'power grunt') and see how long chief lives for

anyone who has played both games knows the answer to that simple test of punishment taking abilities.


If samus is at her full abilities she simpley freezes then shatters the master chief with a quick missile blast.

[gildea]

Proven by what? :huh:

Because you say so? Sorry, but your opinion doesn't make fact.

See my next post.

Opinion based on playing both games (and their sequels) through on their hardest difficulty setting.

[Zenien]

Jebus Echoes is a cruel mistress on its highest difficulty. :csad:

[gildea]

Jebus Echoes is a cruel mistress on its highest difficulty. :csad:

Perseverance and boredom. :)

[Fenrir]

And for all the books attempts to make the chief into a total super human, in what way does any of that translate into the actual core games?

Whatever the case, the Halo books are canon and are very much admissible in this argument. Anyone who says otherwise is grasping at loose straws.

Or right, he's strong enough to flip over a tank and has none of those amazing feats. Yes he's strong, but even with Cortana he's not single shotting 3 grunts at once with an AR or moving like a blur. Yes he's strong, yes he's fast, yes he's powerful, but he's not Samus Aran.

You know what's funny? You talking about Master Chief's abilities from the novel not being translated into the game yet have no problem overlooking the fact that Samus can't even look up and down while moving and shooting and that in-game, her movement in far more clumsier than the Chief's. Plus she has virtually no form of superhuman strength whatsoever like the Chief.

"Yes he's strong, yes he's fast, yes he's powerful, but he's not Samus Aran"? LOL.

And yes, I've read the books, and played the games, and I've also played Prime, and read the descriptions of the enemies, log entries, etc. Space Pirates most likely stronger then the convanent and the bosses Samus fights would eat MC for breakfast.

I too have played both Metroid Prime games, hon. And the Space Pirates are nowhere near the level of being an intergalactic threat like the Covenant.

And we're talking about a suit that has the technology to lay around in molten lava without the user feeling any heat.

Uhh, so? Just because it can withstand heat does not mean it can defend against projectiles shot at speeds faster than the velocity of sound, just like how nomex suits can protect the wearer from the effects of fire and extreme temperatures, but that doesn't mean that it can stop a bullet.

Stop splooging over a picture of Master Chief while listening to the Mijornir Mix fora second and educate yourself about Samus a bit.

Stop making retarded and exaggerated statements about Samus' abilities and grow a ****ing brain for a second. :up:

[Deleted User]

He definetly can't take as much punishment either, three decent shots with a simple handgun, one head shot with a sniper rifle or one close up shot with a shot gun and he's toast.


Can't take as much punishment? If a ****ing cat-sized bug even hits/touches her, she takes damage. How is that resilient, might I ask? And you're basing your opinion from, what, MP? What the ****.. You do realize that what happens in MP isn't representative of what happens in the actual game, right?

You can't take multiplayer as a gauge of his actual strength. Of course he's not going to be invincible in multiplayer, it'd make the game boring for well.. everyone. But aside from this, in the actual game.. he can take a hit from a weapon that shoots out a continuous beam of pure plasma and still live to tell the tale as well as take a hit from super-charged plasma bigger than himself from Wraiths. How is that not resilient? Once again, trying to compare to MP to what happens in the actual game is absolutely retarded.

Samus walks through lava, get hit by all manner of powerful lasers, missiles and so on and walks away.

Look above.


Another simple test of this (if we choose to ignore how easily chief is taken out with simple human weapons) would be to :
a) in metroid go up to a space pirate (the main 'power grunt') on the hardest setting with samus and see how long samus lives for
b) in halo go up to a red elite on legendary (the main 'power grunt') and see how long chief lives for


Once again, multiplayer is built that way because making him resilient to every weapon would make multiplayer sort of.. pointless? Maybe. And actually, at that point it's just player skill. Chief can take at least a few hits from a Covenant Elite of Legendary before getting his ass knocked out standing stationary. Now, if you mean approaching them with the intent to kill.. that, once again, depends on player skill. I can take down elites close-up on Legendary if I use positioning to my advantage.

anyone who has played both games knows the answer to that simple test of punishment taking abilities.

Apparently you, yourself, don't.


If samus is at her full abilities she simpley freezes then shatters the master chief with a quick missile blast.

Unfortunately her ice weapon moves so slow that MC could just simply [I]walk out of it's way. So that scenario is gone. Also, you seem to be forgetting the MC has a shield on his armour. You can't freeze a shield, I assure you it's quite impossible.

[gildea]

Can't take as much punishment? If a ****ing cat-sized bug even hits/touches her,

Just like the chief does from the popcorn flood. Also when the chief gets hit by these daft wee things it taks a far far far larger percentage of his total health away than it does for samus.

My point stands.

hit from super-charged plasma bigger than himself from Wraiths. How is that not resilient?

He can survive splash damage fine but a direct hit is killing him. Whooo how tough.
I repeat one good shotgun blast and it's gnite mr MC (but this is covered in my next paragraph).

Once again, trying to compare to MP to what happens in the actual game is absolutely retarded. .

No the flood 'in game' are quite capable of using the shotgun and sniper to achieve one hit kills on the chief (abeit with more luck than judgement on their part).
Also the shotgun and sniper are still one hit kills in coop multiplay which is still admissable


What IS actually really retarded is basing your entire argument on an erroneous assumption cos when that turns out to be a mistake your entire point becomes nulll and void.




Chief can take at least a few hits from a Covenant Elite of Legendary before getting his ass knocked out standing stationary. Now, if you mean approaching them with the intent to kill.. that, once again, depends on player skill. I can take down elites close-up on Legendary if I use positioning to my advantage.


Tsk not discussing player skill only the damage each character can take. Cripes it's easier to take elites close up.
We're dangerously close to making another of those silly assumptions again here good sir, which didn't work out too well last time so i'd tread lightly.





Unfortunately her ice weapon moves so slow that MC could just simply walk out of it's way. So that scenario is gone. Also, you seem to be forgetting the MC has a shield on his armour. You can't freeze a shield, I assure you it's quite impossible.

Wow you're assuring me on imaginary technology now?
Well I feel relieved.
Excuse me if I ignore that just for now though would you given that samus has been shown to freeze shielded enemies in the past?

The ice weapon moves slow but samus moves soooooo much faster than the chief that she can easily let it go at point blank range.






Anyway I'm done here.

My argument rests on a single shotgun blast (and the far greater speed and agility of samus) which will always kill MC and nothing you can say proves otherwise nor can you provide any equivalency for samus.

Everything else here is just smoke and mirrors.



*BANG* (thats the noise the shotgun makes that kill chief, and if any degree of logic was applied, this debate too)

[Fenrir]

Just like the chief does from the popcorn flood. Also when the chief gets hit by these daft wee things it taks a far far far larger percentage of his total health away than it does for samus.

Please stop spewing B.S. Those little "popcorn" flood take away less than 5% of the Chief's shield.

He can survive splash damage fine but a direct hit is killing him. Whooo how tough.
I repeat one good shotgun blast and it's gnite mr MC (but this is covered in my next paragraph).

Actually, with full overshields, the Chief can withstand both a direct hit from a tank (human or Covenant) and point blank range shotgun blasts. And before you accuse me of giving the Chief an unfair advantage, you might want to reconsider your own hypocrisy where you brag about Samus being allowed the luxury of ALL suits and weaponry yet don't give the same treatment to the Chief. :down::rolleyes:

No the flood 'in game' are quite capable of using the shotgun and sniper to achieve one hit kills on the chief (abeit with more luck than judgement on their part).

The Flood are not capable of one-hit kills in the game. Period.

Also the shotgun and sniper are still one hit kills in coop multiplay which is still admissable

And Samus can't even look up and down while firing and moving at the same time and her movement is far clumsier than the Chief's which is also perfect admissible, luv.

The ice weapon moves slow but samus moves soooooo much faster than the chief that she can easily let it go at point blank range.

And at point blank range, one punch to the face from the Chief with his superhuman strength would be enough to smash both Samus' face and her visor, effectively killing her in the process. At point blank range, the Chief doesn't even need weapons against Samus. He'd simply rip all of her equipment away like paper. And I doubt Samus' suits can resist the kind of strength that can flip over a tank.

My argument rests on a single shotgun blast (and the far greater speed and agility of samus) which will always kill MC and nothing you can say proves otherwise nor can you provide any equivalency for samus.

Yeah, even with all her so-called "greater speed and agility" in-game Samus still moves like a ****ing tank and can't look up or down without standing still. :whatever:

*BANG* (thats the noise the shotgun makes that kill chief, and if any degree of logic was applied, this debate too)

(thats the noise the shotgun makes that kill your brain cells and if any degree of logic was applied, this debate too)

[Johnny DC]

I found this in another thread:

I think it depend upon which situation the two would be facing each other in. If Master Cheif faced Samus in her weak state, which is one energy tank and the power beam, (the way she starts every game), Master Cheif would probably win about 65% of the time.

If Samus and Master Cheif were to go hand to hand with no battlesuits they would be evenly matched. Heres why: Samus is infused with Chozo blood, which makes her body and spirit very powerful. Samus also has a limited use of Ki abilities, which is the ability to use spiritual energy when attacking. Samus also can move just as fast as she can without her suit on. Master Cheif suit augments his speed, while Samus’s increases her jumping ability and has super speed(which requires time to run first to activate)

If faced in a situation where Samus and Master Cheif would have to find a weapon to kill each other, Samus might lose. Master Cheif has the ability to use any weapon, Samus has only used arm cannon class weapons and power ball weapons. Samus’s sheild is another issue, it would still be diffcult for the Cheif if Samus had a lot of sheild energy.

If faced in a spaceship to spaceship battle, Samus would have the advantage. Poor Master Cheif does not like flying in space and has not been trained to dogfight with spaceships. He “can” fly ships however and can pilot any ground vehicle. I’ve never seen Samus fight in her gunship, so I think Samus lacks experience fighting like that too. However, near the ground, Master Cheif would do well. I’ve never seen the capabilities of Samus’s starship, so I’m no sure how it would fair against a Warthog or a Scorpion. Samus could still beat Master Cheif in a vehicle without one. Master Cheif would have to find someone to gun the Warthog for him and Samus is immune to being run over. In fact, a vehicle from Halo might just explode if it crashed into Samus’s energy powered Chozo armor. When dealing with a Scorpion tank, Samus would roll into a ball and place a power bomb next to it.

Who’s suit is better? Master Cheif’s suit is durable and generates a rechargable sheild. It augments his strength, speed, reflexes, and his ability to make people like him. It also has a headset battle computer with a heads-up-display. Samus suit does all of those things plus can morph into a ball. Her suit also has multiple visors for varied uses. Oh yeah, and Samus’s suit is entirly modular, which means it can keep getting more upgrades, and that includes updating it’s whole desing, and she doesn’t even have to take it off to do that.

As far as battle experience goes: Samus can scan an enemy and know every weakness an enemy and she alwaysis prepared to deal with any new threat. Master Cheif has been trained to use any weapon, but I’ve only seen him kill Covenant, Flood, and other Mjolnir Spartans. He has also only killed one Boss character. When Master Cheif first sees Samus, he may not even know what to do before he gets killed.

Escaping? Samus can roll into a ball. Master Cheif can hide and wait for his sheild to recharge. Neither one is more chicken.

Who would do better playing the other’s game?
-Samus would have no acces to her usual upgrades, she would have to be searching among the Forerunner technology for something she could use. Samus would be telling the Marines to let her take care of things, I pretty sure she likes to work alone with no liable people wasting their lives. Energy recharge would be a problem when on the feild, Samus would have to return to her starship to recharge quite often(that is if she had it). Samus would not need Cortana’s help, Samus has an automap computer, and the ability to scan and hack other computers. Figthing the enemies would be no problem for Samus at all. At the end of the game, Samus would actually show her face so that the player could see what she looks like.
-I’m pretty Master Cheif would not be able to beat the game. First he would have to figure out how to open a door(a plasma grenade might work, that is if he had one). There would be a lack of weapons that he could use. Poor Master Cheif would probably not be able to navigate most the game and not survive most of the environmental hazards like lava, acid, deep water, and the dark air-(if he was playing Metroid Prime 2). A lot of the enemies would be more agile and durable than him including the Bosses, which would probably crush him instantly. Master Cheif is intelligent, but not a genius, the puzzles in the game might be way too difficult for him to figure out. If he could beat the final boss, he would have to escape from being blown up with the planet or area, no problem, he has done that before.

I really don’t think Samus Aran and Master Cheif would want to fight each other. If they ever meet, I don’t think Master Cheif would be jelous at all. As for those pesk doors, Samus can open them for him. (yes, a lady opens the door for the guy) If they ever did fight, they would probably be arguing about whos game is better.

And Fenrir, it's pretty damn obvious that you don't know much about Samus. Your limiting her only to the Metroid Prime games. Check out Metroid Fusion, or even Super Metroid. You'll eat your words.

[Fenrir]

I think it depend upon which situation the two would be facing each other in. If Master Cheif faced Samus in her weak state, which is one energy tank and the power beam, (the way she starts every game), Master Cheif would probably win about 65% of the time.

I'd love to see the moron author of this post give me a detailed explanation as to how he arrived at that figure. :whatever:

If Samus and Master Cheif were to go hand to hand with no battlesuits they would be evenly matched. Heres why: Samus is infused with Chozo blood, which makes her body and spirit very powerful. Samus also has a limited use of Ki abilities, which is the ability to use spiritual energy when attacking.

Credible source of that claim please. I've been hearing so much about the "superpower" effects about the Chozo blood that it reeks of B.S. As far as I know, the Chozo blood Samus was infused with was to make her resistant to the Chozo planet's harsh environment. Nowhere did I hear it grants her any kind of superhuman strength, reflex or agility or that "Ki" crap. And if you want to prove I am wrong, bring me a valid and verifiable source.

If faced in a situation where Samus and Master Cheif would have to find a weapon to kill each other, Samus might lose. Master Cheif has the ability to use any weapon, Samus has only used arm cannon class weapons and power ball weapons. Samus’s sheild is another issue, it would still be diffcult for the Cheif if Samus had a lot of sheild energy.

The Chief's shield is more powerful and recharges faster than Samus'. Get your facts straight, bud.

If faced in a spaceship to spaceship battle, Samus would have the advantage. Poor Master Cheif does not like flying in space and has not been trained to dogfight with spaceships. He “can” fly ships however and can pilot any ground vehicle. I’ve never seen Samus fight in her gunship, so I think Samus lacks experience fighting like that too.

WTF? No seriously mate, WTF?!

However, near the ground, Master Cheif would do well. I’ve never seen the capabilities of Samus’s starship, so I’m no sure how it would fair against a Warthog or a Scorpion.

The UNSC has vehicles other than just the Warthog or a Scorpion, chump. And that includes aerial vehicles as well.

Samus could still beat Master Cheif in a vehicle without one.

The Chief doesn't need a vehicle to down Samus. He can do that on his own.

Master Cheif would have to find someone to gun the Warthog for him and Samus is immune to being run over.

Really? When and where in the entire Metroid universe is it ever stated that Samus is "immune to being run over" by vehicles? What you're typing here is the verbal equivalent of feces, junior.

In fact, a vehicle from Halo might just explode if it crashed into Samus’s energy powered Chozo armor.

LOL, Samus can get killed by a horde of critters wearing that very same suit. :D

When dealing with a Scorpion tank, Samus would roll into a ball and place a power bomb next to it.

And said Scorpion would blast Samus' little back back into oblivion with it's turret before she gets with in 10-feet of the tank. You seem to make a lot of asinine assumptions that Samus can do whatever she wants running around pulling all kinds of **** and the Chief will just stand there like a dumbass doing NOTHING AT ALL. :rolleyes:

Who’s suit is better? Master Cheif’s suit is durable and generates a rechargable sheild. It augments his strength, speed, reflexes, and his ability to make people like him. It also has a headset battle computer with a heads-up-display. Samus suit does all of those things plus can morph into a ball. Her suit also has multiple visors for varied uses. Oh yeah, and Samus’s suit is entirly modular, which means it can keep getting more upgrades, and that includes updating it’s whole desing, and she doesn’t even have to take it off to do that.

I've already spoken at length about the suits of the two characters earlier in the thread and I don't need to repeat myself every time. Read.

As far as battle experience goes: Samus can scan an enemy and know every weakness an enemy and she alwaysis prepared to deal with any new threat. Master Cheif has been trained to use any weapon, but I’ve only seen him kill Covenant, Flood, and other Mjolnir Spartans. He has also only killed one Boss character. When Master Cheif first sees Samus, he may not even know what to do before he gets killed.

LOL, you really think a genetic supersoldier like the Chief would actually need to think before he realizes that he has to kill someone before they kill him? A guy that has conditioned into a killing machine since his early childhood would be that clueless in a fight? You Metroid fans are really a desperately reaching bunch.



Who would do better playing the other’s game?
-Samus would have no acces to her usual upgrades, she would have to be searching among the Forerunner technology for something she could use. Samus would be telling the Marines to let her take care of things, I pretty sure she likes to work alone with no liable people wasting their lives. Energy recharge would be a problem when on the feild, Samus would have to return to her starship to recharge quite often(that is if she had it). Samus would not need Cortana’s help, Samus has an automap computer, and the ability to scan and hack other computers. Figthing the enemies would be no problem for Samus at all. At the end of the game, Samus would actually show her face so that the player could see what she looks like.
-I’m pretty Master Cheif would not be able to beat the game. First he would have to figure out how to open a door(a plasma grenade might work, that is if he had one). There would be a lack of weapons that he could use. Poor Master Cheif would probably not be able to navigate most the game and not survive most of the environmental hazards like lava, acid, deep water, and the dark air-(if he was playing Metroid Prime 2). A lot of the enemies would be more agile and durable than him including the Bosses, which would probably crush him instantly. Master Cheif is intelligent, but not a genius, the puzzles in the game might be way too difficult for him to figure out. If he could beat the final boss, he would have to escape from being blown up with the planet or area, no problem, he has done that before.

:dry:

That's honestly the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.

I really don’t think Samus Aran and Master Cheif would want to fight each other. If they ever meet, I don’t think Master Cheif would be jelous at all. As for those pesk doors, Samus can open them for him. (yes, a lady opens the door for the guy) If they ever did fight, they would probably be arguing about whos game is better.

You started out well, chump, but halfway through your post it seemed like a 6-year old took over the keyboard.

And Fenrir, it's pretty damn obvious that you don't know much about Samus. Your limiting her only to the Metroid Prime games. Check out Metroid Fusion, or even Super Metroid. You'll eat your words.

Then please, instead of blurting out empty words like a helpless incompetent, pull arguments from those very games and use them to refute my points. Otherwise, don't waste my time with petty "go play this" "check that out" gibberish.

[gildea]

Please stop spewing B.S. Those little "popcorn" flood take away less than 5% of the Chief's shield.


Yeah.
Which is still significantly more than samus.
At full strength samus has 15 energy tanks (if i recall correctly) each worth 99 units, thats 1485 units in total nowwhen she is hit by one of those we things it takes off roughly 10 units which is 0.0006% of her energy shield.

Basic maths here and we see which shield is more powerful (as you say in a later post 'get your facts straight')


Actually, with full overshields, the Chief can withstand both a direct hit from a tank (human or Covenant) and point blank range shotgun blasts. And before you accuse me of giving the Chief an unfair advantage, you might want to reconsider your own hypocrisy where you brag about Samus being allowed the luxury of ALL suits and weaponry yet don't give the same treatment to the Chief. :down::rolleyes:

Overshield is only a temporary state, once MC has achieved over shield he simply doesn't stay that way unlike once when samus has gained a new power she gets to keep it.
It's completely different and you know it. Regardless samus is certainly agile enough to wait for it to drain.



The Flood are not capable of one-hit kills in the game. Period.

Not true when using a shotgun or sniper they can get the odd one. It was only to prove a point about the potency of normal weapons on the chief anyway and is otherwise irrelevant to the discussion. Why do you make stuff up?



And Samus can't even look up and down while firing and moving at the same time and her movement is far clumsier than the Chief's which is also perfect admissible, luv.

Not true you can look up and down and fire and move at the same time.

(really have you played the game?)

Clumsy again is a point of the players skill (though she moves with amazing finesse in the cut scenes). Given you're relying on making stuff up about the character (can't look up and move :whatever: ) though I suppose we can't blame you for making up this nonsense either, reality is obviously a trying concept for you, perhaps you should go back to your glorified halo fan fics and ignore the nasty men slagging off your big bad MC?






Yeah, even with all her so-called "greater speed and agility" in-game Samus still moves like a ****ing tank and can't look up or down without standing still. :whatever:

Well as said she can look up and move (though keep making this point up if it makes you feel like a big man).
I've also yet to see the tank that can double jump, wall jump, space jump, use a grapple beam, turn into a ball etc etc

Again I question if you've played the game to any reasonable degree.

(thats the noise the shotgun makes that kill your brain cells and if any degree of logic was applied, this debate too)

Yeah.

Anyone else hear that awkward silence?

Was it funnier in your head?

Someone throw him a pity laff pleassssseeeeeeeee!

[Deleted User]

Just like the chief does from the popcorn flood. Also when the chief gets hit by these daft wee things it taks a far far far larger percentage of his total health away than it does for samus.

Far, far larger a percentage? It takes out maybe, I don't know.. a sliver of his shields. Yep, those parasites really are ferocious. :whatever:

Not to mention that one bullet makes them explode quite easily, so you're an idiot if you ever even get attacked by one of them. But yes, I'm sure that tiny sliver really is a giant percentage in comparison to Samus.


He can survive splash damage fine but a direct hit is killing him. Whooo how tough.
I repeat one good shotgun blast and it's gnite mr MC (but this is covered in my next paragraph).


Actually, he can survive a direct hit. I would know, I've taken many of them before in the game. I must ask you, have you ever even played Halo or Halo 2 for more than, say, five minutes?

And no, you're still.. wrong.

No the flood 'in game' are quite capable of using the shotgun and sniper to achieve one hit kills on the chief (abeit with more luck than judgement on their part).

Except for it hasn't happened.. yet. I've been sniped before by Flood. Haven't died. I've been shotgunned from close range by the Flood.. still haven't died. All evidence points to the fact that you either have no idea what you're talking about, or you're full of ****.

Or both, both is always viable for one such as yourself.

Also the shotgun and sniper are still one hit kills in coop multiplay which is still admissable

Not really, since what happens in MP does not effect the continuity of the SP. I'm sorry to burst your bubble.


What IS actually really retarded is basing your entire argument on an erroneous assumption cos when that turns out to be a mistake your entire point becomes nulll and void.

What is retarded is the fact that you actually think any of your bull**** is true. It takes a pathetic person to actually convince themselves that the state of disillusionment they have put themselves in really yields anything of factual worth.






Tsk not discussing player skill only the damage each character can take. Cripes it's easier to take elites close up.

Yes, and he can take three or four good hits from a hulking, seven foot alien. Which would, for lack of a better term, absolutely destroy any space pirates in hand to hand.

We're dangerously close to making another of those silly assumptions again here good sir, which didn't work out too well last time so i'd tread lightly.

I'm sorry, are you trying to lecture me? Please, at least try to lose with some dignity, you worm.



Wow you're assuring me on imaginary technology now?
Well I feel relieved.
Excuse me if I ignore that just for now though would you given that samus has been shown to freeze shielded enemies in the past?


I would like to point out that it's quite impossible that it could affect him with his shield up. Actually, it's quite impossible. Otherwise it would completely beat the purpose of his shield. It protects his body against extreme conditions as well as anything of a ballistic nature. Why do I say this? Because plasma is SUPER-HEATED material. If his shields didn't protect his armour from the extreme heat given off by such a material, it would just melt his armour without even touching it.

The ice weapon moves slow but samus moves soooooo much faster than the chief that she can easily let it go at point blank range.

Your evidence for this? Oh yes... you have absolutely none. :o

Nice job there with the hyperbole, Sparky.

My argument rests on a single shotgun blast (and the far greater speed and agility of samus) which will always kill MC and nothing you can say proves otherwise nor can you provide any equivalency for samus.

Actually, I just proved you wrong up there, you see.. at the beginning of my post. You, my good sir, are quite frankly full of ****. But keep it on coming, it's amusing.

[Johnny DC]

I'd love to see the moron author of this post give me a detailed explanation as to how he arrived at that figure. :whatever:



Credible source of that claim please. I've been hearing so much about the "superpower" effects about the Chozo blood that it reeks of B.S. As far as I know, the Chozo blood Samus was infused with was to make her resistant to the Chozo planet's harsh environment. Nowhere did I hear it grants her any kind of superhuman strength, reflex or agility or that "Ki" crap. And if you want to prove I am wrong, bring me a valid and verifiable source.



The Chief's shield is more powerful and recharges faster than Samus'. Get your facts straight, bud.



WTF? No seriously mate, WTF?!



The UNSC has vehicles other than just the Warthog or a Scorpion, chump. And that includes aerial vehicles as well.



The Chief doesn't need a vehicle to down Samus. He can do that on his own.



Really? When and where in the entire Metroid universe is it ever stated that Samus is "immune to being run over" by vehicles? What you're typing here is the verbal equivalent of feces, junior.



LOL, Samus can get killed by a horde of critters wearing that very same suit. :D



And said Scorpion would blast Samus' little back back into oblivion with it's turret before she gets with in 10-feet of the tank. You seem to make a lot of asinine assumptions that Samus can do whatever she wants running around pulling all kinds of **** and the Chief will just stand there like a dumbass doing NOTHING AT ALL. :rolleyes:



I've already spoken at length about the suits of the two characters earlier in the thread and I don't need to repeat myself every time. Read.



LOL, you really think a genetic supersoldier like the Chief would actually need to think before he realizes that he has to kill someone before they kill him? A guy that has conditioned into a killing machine since his early childhood would be that clueless in a fight? You Metroid fans are really a desperately reaching bunch.





:dry:

That's honestly the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.



You started out well, chump, but halfway through your post it seemed like a 6-year old took over the keyboard.



Then please, instead of blurting out empty words like a helpless incompetent, pull arguments from those very games and use them to refute my points. Otherwise, don't waste my time with petty "go play this" "check that out" gibberish.

Uh, you realize that I pulled that from another thread right? I didn't actually type that. You're insulting the air.

And the Chozo-infused powers are mentioned in Metroid: Zero Mission as well as Metroid Manga. How about you stop being a lazy-ass and try doing some actual research instead of being an ignorant moron.

[Zenien]

Oh Halo fans...

[Master Chief]

...I think... I think this is the epitome of geekism...

[Danger Mouse]

Geekism is okay if it is kept civil.

Love your avvy, MC!

[Master Chief]

Puppies 4 life! :word: :up:

There should be a fist bomb smilie. :dry:

[Zenien]

Whatever the case, the Halo books are canon and are very much admissible in this argument. Anyone who says otherwise is grasping at loose straws.

The Halo books are pulp that use artistic license to make the chief seem more badass then he really is. You're forgetting that the games came first and nowhere does he have those abilities in the game. He won't even have those abilities (namely the speed/accuracy) in the movie if it's ever made. They got approved as cannon because Bungie wanted someone to write about these events, sure. They're cannon, but then again that means Halo has a really damn inconsistent cannon and I'll take the source material thanks.


You know what's funny? You talking about Master Chief's abilities from the novel not being translated into the game yet have no problem overlooking the fact that Samus can't even look up and down while moving and shooting and that in-game, her movement in far more clumsier than the Chief's. Plus she has virtually no form of superhuman strength whatsoever like the Chief.

And you see in Cutscenes with her that she has no such restrictions in any sense but one of gameplay. When the chief starts single shotting grunts with an AR from miles away in a Halo 3 cutscene, you can talk. Nowhere does he have abilities even approaching that in the game, and unlike having to deal with an unweildly controller design, having 'single shotting grunts' and 'moving really fast' isn't a controller limitation.

"Yes he's strong, yes he's fast, yes he's powerful, but he's not Samus Aran"? LOL.

Samus Aran isn't stronger then him if that's what you're interpreting.

I too have played both Metroid Prime games, hon. And the Space Pirates are nowhere near the level of being an intergalactic threat like the Covenant.

Really so all the genetic splicing and augmenting they've been doing for generations is meaningless? Did you read the log entries where they gave exposition on the relative strength and endurance of a Space Pirate. No you didn't. Like I said, the bosses Samus faces would eat Master Chief for Breakfast (Riddly anyone?)

Uhh, so? Just because it can withstand heat does not mean it can defend against projectiles shot at speeds faster than the velocity of sound

Does the handgun fire bullets faster then the speed of sound.

just like how nomex suits can protect the wearer from the effects of fire and extreme temperatures, but that doesn't mean that it can stop a bullet.

I never said Samus wouldn't take damage from bullets.

[Kung Fu master]

Samus would win. Period.

She has way more weapons at hand, and is physically and technologically superior to Master Chief.

[Sloth7d]

Samus ftw!!!!

[Fenrir]

Uh, you realize that I pulled that from another thread right? I didn't actually type that. You're insulting the air.

Yeah I know you did. But I replied anyway just so there aren't any inane misconceptions about "this was the post that shut up Halo fans". And I wanted to highlight the absurdity in that post.

And the Chozo-infused powers are mentioned in Metroid: Zero Mission as well as Metroid Manga. How about you stop being a lazy-ass and try doing some actual research instead of being an ignorant moron.

Why don't you prove me an "ignorant moron" by bringing me in detail where and when her "Chozo powers" are mentioned in Zero Mission, and what exactly they are in detail? Sounds to me you don't know **** about them yourself. People who know actually know anything usually spit everything out on second provocation at most and don't give evasive responses like "go play this" "check that out".

[Fenrir]

Yeah.
Which is still significantly more than samus.
At full strength samus has 15 energy tanks (if i recall correctly) each worth 99 units, thats 1485 units in total nowwhen she is hit by one of those we things it takes off roughly 10 units which is 0.0006% of her energy shield.

Basic maths here and we see which shield is more powerful (as you say in a later post 'get your facts straight')

Samus does not have a rechargeable energy shield, whereas MC's replenishes itself fully under 3-5 seconds. All he has to do is stop taking damage for that duration of time, which, for anyone who has played the game, will tell you is a piece of cake. That means any loss to MC's shield will be nullified even when he's on the offensive. Compared to Samus, MC has unlimited "energy tanks". Samus is naked once those 15 tanks run out.


Overshield is only a temporary state, once MC has achieved over shield he simply doesn't stay that way unlike once when samus has gained a new power she gets to keep it.

It's still admissible. Permanent powers and upgrades can be part of the roster yet temporary ones can't? ****ing hypocrite.

It's completely different and you know it. Regardless samus is certainly agile enough to wait for it to drain.

With that clunky movement of hers? LOL.

Not true when using a shotgun or sniper they can get the odd one.

They can't get a "one-hit kill" when you're on a full shield.

It was only to prove a point about the potency of normal weapons on the chief anyway and is otherwise irrelevant to the discussion. Why do you make stuff up?

Read the Halo novels, Ms Clueless. The Chief's armor is designed specifically to resist enerygy weapons infinitely better than ballistic weapons. And since Samus doesn't have any ballistic weapons, the discussion is irrelevant. It's downright laughable how you have to resort to using the weapons from Halo in your vague attempts to prove how Samus would win. Where's you little friend Mr. Logic now, tuts?

Not true you can look up and down and fire and move at the same time.

(really have you played the game?)

No, in Metroid Prime you can't freelook while moving. Jeez, did you really play the game? :dry:

Clumsy again is a point of the players skill (though she moves with amazing finesse in the cut scenes). Given you're relying on making stuff up about the character (can't look up and move :whatever: ) though I suppose we can't blame you for making up this nonsense either, reality is obviously a trying concept for you, perhaps you should go back to your glorified halo fan fics and ignore the nasty men slagging off your big bad MC?

LOL, you're so desperate in your defense of purty Samus, it's pathetic.

Samus. Can't. Freelook. While. Moving.

That alone makes her movements infinitely clumsier than the Chief's.


Well as said she can look up and move (though keep making this point up if it makes you feel like a big man).

For the third time, uhh, no, she can't.

I've also yet to see the tank that can double jump, wall jump, space jump, use a grapple beam, turn into a ball etc etc

Yeah, stupid fancy **** that has NO OFFENSIVE capability whatsoever. Tell me, how does double jumping and turning into a ball help Samus to HURT the Chief? That's like saying just because an acrobat can do triple backflips and multiple somersaults in the main he can take out a supersoldier. Ridiculous.

Again I question if you've played the game to any reasonable degree.

The fact that you don't even know Samus can't freelook while moving makes me question your own familiarity with the game.


Yeah.

Anyone else hear that awkward silence?

Was it funnier in your head?

Someone throw him a pity laff pleassssseeeeeeeee!

I guess now you realize how downright retarded that sounded like the first time. :up:

[Fenrir]

The Halo books are pulp that use artistic license to make the chief seem more badass then he really is.

So we can use the Metroid Manga as a reference point for Samus' Chozo Powers like Johnny DC said even though those powers are non-existent in every single Metroid game ever created, yet the Halo novels are inadmissible irrespective of the fact that they provide insight and fill the gaps not done by the game? Why do you people have to resort to such transparent hypocrisy?

The Halo novels are supplemental guides to the Halo universe, and in order to know more the Halo universe or even Master Chief, you have no option but to take them under consideration.

You're forgetting that the games came first and nowhere does he have those abilities in the game. He won't even have those abilities (namely the speed/accuracy) in the movie if it's ever made. They got approved as cannon because Bungie wanted someone to write about these events, sure.

The Halo novels are supplemental guides to the Halo universe, and in order to know more the Halo universe or even Master Chief, you have no option but to take them under consideration.

They're cannon, but then again that means Halo has a really damn inconsistent cannon and I'll take the source material thanks.

Yeah, because considering the novels will suddenly tip the scales in favor of the Chief, so you choose to play blind, deaf and dumb. Let me tell you something sweetie, if Bungie endorses the timeline and events in the Halo novels as official continuity (and they do), that too makes the novels as part of the source material, since they give more information about characters and events that the game didn't. You say you'll take the source material, but where will you find information about the Chief, his armor, his training, his capabilities from the game? Since the game doesn't speak on the subject, what will you do? Make **** up? Conjure another backstory for him when he already has an official one?

Ah, the conundrums...

And you see in Cutscenes with her that she has no such restrictions in any sense but one of gameplay.

OK...

When the chief starts single shotting grunts with an AR from miles away in a Halo 3 cutscene, you can talk. Nowhere does he have abilities even approaching that in the game, and unlike having to deal with an unweildly controller design, having 'single shotting grunts' and 'moving really fast' isn't a controller limitation.

If you take into account abilities and limitations in-game like "single shotting grunts", then Samus' helplessness in freelooking while moving is also admissble. Let's call a spade a spade now, shall we?

Samus Aran isn't stronger then him if that's what you're interpreting.

Wait, so you're telling me that you talked about the Chief being strong, powerful and fast but then strike all that down by simply saying he isn't Samus Aran, but on a technical note, wouldn't that mean Samus surpassing the Chief in all those areas? Please try to be a little more concise and make some sense while you're at it.

Oh and Samus does NOT have superhuman strength, nor does her suit avail her any such luxuries. At point blank range, one punch from the Chief might very well smash through her visor and kill her instantly.

Really so all the genetic splicing and augmenting they've been doing for generations is meaningless? Did you read the log entries where they gave exposition on the relative strength and endurance of a Space Pirate. No you didn't. Like I said, the bosses Samus faces would eat Master Chief for Breakfast (Riddly anyone?)

If Master Chief can wipe the floor with Samus, then he can beat anyone Samus can. It's common sense.

Does the handgun fire bullets faster then the speed of sound.

Umm, what does that have to do with my point about Samus "lava-resistant" suit being unable to nullify damage from ballistic weapons?

I never said Samus wouldn't take damage from bullets.

So your argument about Samus' suit and "molten lava" and all that crap is ill-conceived and meaningless.

[Fenrir]

Samus would win. Period.

She has way more weapons at hand, and is physically and technologically superior to Master Chief.

LOL.

[gildea]

Samus does not have a rechargeable energy shield, whereas MC's replenishes itself fully under 3-5 seconds. All he has to do is stop taking damage for that duration of time, which, for anyone who has played the game, will tell you is a piece of cake. That means any loss to MC's shield will be nullified even when he's on the offensive. Compared to Samus, MC has unlimited "energy tanks". Samus is naked once those 15 tanks run out.


True but for MC to bottom out and die it's far far quicker than samus.



It's still admissible. Permanent powers and upgrades can be part of the roster yet temporary ones can't? ****ing hypocrite.

No it's not or are we assuming a battlefield field with powers ups for the chief.







They can't get a "one-hit kill" when you're on a full shield.

No they can. Shotgun up close or a lucky sniper hit.



Read the Halo novels, Ms Clueless. The Chief's armor is designed specifically to resist enerygy weapons infinitely better than ballistic weapons. And since Samus doesn't have any ballistic weapons, the discussion is irrelevant. It's downright laughable how you have to resort to using the weapons from Halo in your vague attempts to prove how Samus would win. Where's you little friend Mr. Logic now, tuts?

Nah it's not really just highlighting how vurnerable the chief is. I could have observed how a charged shot from the alien pistol drops his shield immedietly then compared it to the several charge shots samus has in her arsenal.



No, in Metroid Prime you can't freelook while moving. Jeez, did you really play the game? :dry:

Hey look it's change argument midway through boy!! The point was move up and down whilst moving. This is achievable in one of two ways
1)Lock on you can move as you want and you will be looking up and down whilst moving
2)Jump and hold the aim button at which point you can freelook whilst MOVING through the air.





[SIZE=5]Samus. Can't. Freelook. While. Moving.

See above.


Yeah, stupid fancy **** that has NO OFFENSIVE capability whatsoever. Tell me, how does double jumping and turning into a ball help Samus to HURT the Chief? That's like saying just because an acrobat can do triple backflips and multiple somersaults in the main he can take out a supersoldier. Ridiculous.

Again your changing your argument midway through. You were talking about her movements NOT her offensive capability (you said she moved like a tank as such I ryhmed off things unlike a tanks movement).

[Fenrir]

True but for MC to bottom out and die it's far far quicker than samus.

But that's only under the assumption MC will stand around there like a dumbass doing nothing while Samus hammers away at his shield and we all know it's not going to go down that way. Every incremental loss Samus takes on her shield is permanent while the Chief's is only momentarily. His shield will be as good as new within seconds. Heck, the Chief can recharge his shield even while he's on the offense as far as he's not taking damage.

Regenerating shield that consistently sustains itself within seconds> Crapload of non-renewable energy tanks.

No it's not or are we assuming a battlefield field with powers ups for the chief.

Why not, since you are assuming Samus is going to have all her suit and weapon powerups and upgrades, since neither of them are on her basic suit that she starts with. The only difference being hers are permanent while the Chief's is temporary. But technically speaking, they are both powerups.

No they can. Shotgun up close or a lucky sniper hit.

No, they can't. Your shield needs to be down by at least 25-40% for even a remote chance for you to get killed by single shotgun blast or a sniper hit. In the first Halo, in most cases you'll still have some health left. In Halo 2 the shield has noticeably more juice and the only way to be a victim of immediate one-hit kills is in multiplayer mode.

Nah it's not really just highlighting how vurnerable the chief is.

But only against ballistic weapons, not against energy weapons like Samus'. Really, read that part of my post again. Quit stalling on irrelevant tangents and pay attention to what I said about the Chief's armor and it's resistance to energy weapons.

I could have observed how a charged shot from the alien pistol drops his shield immedietly then compared it to the several charge shots samus has in her arsenal.

A fully charged shot that needs to be held down for 5 seconds at least for maximum effectiveness, a period that leaves you defenseless and wide open. And if you miss, you're toast. Really, why can't you grasp the very simple fact that the Chief is not going to stand still for Samus to keep wrecking him. The psychology of the character states he is a master tactician and with infinitely more battle experience than Samus, he'll exploit every opening and weakness of his opponent. And he doesn't need a pitiful scanner and computer to figure them out. He can do it all on the fly.

Hey look it's change argument midway through boy!! The point was move up and down whilst moving. This is achievable in one of two ways
1)Lock on you can move as you want and you will be looking up and down whilst moving
2)Jump and hold the aim button at which point you can freelook whilst MOVING through the air.

LOL, but holding down the lock on button means she can't turn or look up or down if she's not locked on to anything. And if she's locked on, she can't strafe horizontally without dropping her target. The only way she can freelook is by holdind down the right trigger, but then she'll have to stay motionless. Yeah, that's real maneuverability you got there. :whatever:

Again your changing your argument midway through. You were talking about her movements NOT her offensive capability (you said she moved like a tank as such I ryhmed off things unlike a tanks movement).

The "tank" comment was metaphor to her clunky movements where she has to sacrifice some aspect of total mobility in one situation or another. She can't move and look as freely in the game as the Chief can. And since you're taking into account in-game vulnerabilities, it's very much admissible. It's pretty damn easy to take down a target that can't move and aim without restrictions, especially for someone like the Chief.

[DACMAN]

But that's only under the assumption MC will stand around there like a dumbass doing nothing while Samus hammers away at his shield and we all know it's not going to go down that way. Every incremental loss Samus takes on her shield is permanent while the Chief's is only momentarily. His shield will be as good as new within seconds. Heck, the Chief can recharge his shield even while he's on the offense as far as he's not taking damage.

Regenerating shield that consistently sustains itself within seconds> Crapload of non-renewable energy tanks.



Why not, since you are assuming Samus is going to have all her suit and weapon powerups and upgrades, since neither of them are on her basic suit that she starts with. The only difference being hers are permanent while the Chief's is temporary. But technically speaking, they are both powerups.



No, they can't. Your shield needs to be down by at least 25-40% for even a remote chance for you to get killed by single shotgun blast or a sniper hit. In the first Halo, in most cases you'll still have some health left. In Halo 2 the shield has noticeably more juice and the only way to be a victim of immediate one-hit kills is in multiplayer mode.



But only against ballistic weapons, not against energy weapons like Samus'. Really, read that part of my post again. Quit stalling on irrelevant tangents and pay attention to what I said about the Chief's armor and it's resistance to



A charged shot that needs to be held down for 5 seconds at least for maximum effectiveness, a period that leaves you defenseless and wide open. And if you miss, you're toast. Really, why can't you grasp the very simple fact that the Chief is not going to stand still for Samus to keep wrecking him. The psychology of the character states he is a master tactician and with infinitely more battle experience than Samus, he'll exploit every opening and weakness of his opponent. And he doesn't need a pitiful scanner and computer to figure them out. He can do it all on the fly.



LOL, but holding down the lock on button means she can't turn or look up or down if she's not locked on to anything. And if she's locked on, she can't strafe horizontally without dropping her target. The only way she can freelook is by holdind down the right trigger, but then she'll have to stay motionless. Yeah, that's real maneuverability you got there. :whatever:



The "tank" comment was metaphor to her clunky movements where she has to sacrifice some aspect of total mobility in one situation or another. She can't move and look as freely in the game as the Chief can. And since you're taking into account in-game vulnerabilities, it's very much admissible. It's pretty damn easy to take down a target that can't move and aim without restrictions, especially for someone like the Chief.http://www.owned.com/Owned_Pictures/Painful_Owned_Pics/Bad_Boxing_Owned.jpg

[TheGrayGhost]

As a quick aside to the long post I'm preparing, the morph ball ability is hugely underrated, as it can use it's spider ball ability to latch onto MC's armor and plant a few morph-ball bombs on his face. And if Samus can manage a charge beam before laying the morph-ball bombs, then the morph-ball bombs become power bombs, bombs with an blast power to AT LEAST disorient him severely.

If his armor can prevent such magnetic attachments, than Samus can use her hack visor to temporarily pull shut down his systems, allowing for a window of mobility to implement the above or just use the death ball. Or, just ram into him using the boost ball.

And then there's the issue of Speed Boots (Super Metroid), which enable her to run at the speed of sound. If you recall from the SNES game, while she attains such speeds, she can ram into enemies and kill them instantly. If you couple this ability with all of her other weapons, the possibilities for victory are endless.

The visors are also a huge advantage and it would let Samus keep track of MC, which would make things a bit difficult for Master Chief to "tactically" employ a maneuver.

Then there's the issue of the various suits, all which are linked (through Chozo bio-enegineering) to her Gunship which she can call at will and help her in the battle. The various suits also allow for incremental resistances (usually 25% to 50% to 75% resistance to damage.) But this would hardly to come into play as Samus could easily employ evasive tactics and such.

So yeah... still preparing a proprer response, Fenrir. :oldrazz:

[TheGrayGhost]

And those knocking on Samus for her inability to free-look while moving (so are we taking into account how they play, too?), have yet to address how Master Chief would be able to consistently stay on target with Samus on the clunky dual-analog system. Not to mention, it takes less than a half a second to lock-on, and once locked-on, you can't escape it. With dual-analog, you'll have to constantly adjust the X-axis and the Y-axis, which isn't very efficient.

[spartan 117]

Everyone keeps talking about how the Chief will die from a direct hit from the Sniper Rifle, but lets get the facts straight. In MPH Samus can get Imp'd in the face and die, even with full health, the Morphball lowers her defences and leaves her vonerable to much more damage.

Secondly the Hacking Device... It can be used, but in the process of it being used Samus must stand stationary and Risk getting hit. In this short time period it would have given MC the chance to strike.

Thirdly... The locking on ablilty will have little effect on MC because the projectiles that Samus shoots have far less velocity and speed. Once MC is out of range of the Lock he would be able to have already figured her weak spot out.

[TheGrayGhost]

...As if there is a weak spot. You guys relying on "hardened battle experience" and "tactical prowess," don't have much of a leg to stand on, relying on vague generalizations and circumstantial situations for MC to pull it off, not to mention that Samus is also skilled in these areas as well. Any case for Master Chief is entirely circumstantial. But hey, if Batman can win so many polls against Superman, I concede it is possible, but highly, highly improbable. I think Zenien said it best: any vote for Master Chief is fanboyism.

[Fenrir]

As a quick aside to the long post I'm preparing, the morph ball ability is hugely underrated, as it can use it's spider ball ability to latch onto MC's armor and plant a few morph-ball bombs on his face. And if Samus can manage a charge beam before laying the morph-ball bombs, then the morph-ball bombs become power bombs, bombs with an blast power to AT LEAST disorient him severely.

Samus latching on to the Chief's armor using the spider-ball ability? LOL! If a couple of critters can damage Samus while she's in that state, imagine what the Master Chief's superhuman strength will do to her. He'd squash her like a rubber ball with no effort.

If his armor can prevent such magnetic attachments, than Samus can use her hack visor to temporarily pull shut down his systems, allowing for a window of mobility to implement the above or just use the death ball.

I'm pretty sure the Chief's suit is designed to resist any remote attempt to tamper with his systems. And the Chief's MJOLNIR armor plugs in directly into his nervous system instead of some onboard computer that can be shut down. All of the suits functions respond directly to the commands issued by his thoughts. Now what're you going to say? Something asinine about Samus' visor being able to hack organic objects like soldiers' brains or anything? :whatever:

Or, just ram into him using the boost ball.

Soccer time for the Chief. :up:

And then there's the issue of Speed Boots (Super Metroid), which enable her to run at the speed of sound. If you recall from the SNES game, while she attains such speeds, she can ram into enemies and kill them instantly.

Umm, pray tell, where exactly in the game does it state that the speed boosters allow Samus to run "at the speed of sound"? Stop exaggerating and making up **** to make your petty Nintendo character look good.

If you couple this ability with all of her other weapons, the possibilities for victory are endless.

No, the possibilities for victory are almost non-existent. Sorry it must break your 12-year old heart. I know, it's like finding out Santa's not real.

...

I said too much didn't I? :(

It's alright, you can cry.

The visors are also a huge advantage and it would let Samus keep track of MC, which would make things a bit difficult for Master Chief to "tactically" employ a maneuver.

Yeah, but when she's "locked on" to the Chief, she can't aim freely like the Chief can, thereby leaving Chief as the only who can employ "tactical" maneuvers like using the environment in the kind of ways that Gordon Freeman did in the Ravenholm demo for Half-Life 2.

Then there's the issue of the various suits, all which are linked (through Chozo bio-enegineering) to her Gunship which she can call at will and help her in the battle.

And the Chief has onboard comm. systems that link directly to UNSC regional command to call in airstrikes that would annihilate both Samus and her piss-poor Gunship. Heck, that alone would nullify any hope of Samus winning against the Chief. Organized interplanetary military might wins over insignificant bounty hunters and their limited resources anyday.

The various suits also allow for incremental resistances (usually 25% to 50% to 75% resistance to damage.) But this would hardly to come into play as Samus could easily employ evasive tactics and such.

Yes, because the only way for Samus to even try and fight the Chief and live to tell the tale is to run...run like hell! :)

So yeah... still preparing a proprer response, Fenrir. :oldrazz:

I'll be here chump. And if anything that spartan 117 poster said is true about you not knowing dick about Halo, then it's in your best interest to shut up already.

[spartan 117]

Sorry, GrayGhost, no matter how much you try to argue to save Samus. Your arguments to save will altimatly fail, just as your "Help Save JLU" thread failed. [JLU is no more (I like them but they are gone.)]

And no, it is not an act of fanboyism, it is who we really and truely believe will win. The same can really be said about Samus... how should I say GrayGhost? "Seniority?" I think the words of a Samus fan was, "She has Senoirity, so she must win" Case in point that Samus fans are fanboys aswell; infact this thread is all about fanboyism.

[Fenrir]

...As if there is a weak spot. You guys relying on "hardened battle experience" and "tactical prowess," don't have much of a leg to stand on, relying on vague generalizations and circumstantial situations for MC to pull it off, not to mention that Samus is also skilled in these areas as well.

Umm, the Chief's battlefield expertise is a widely known fact. He was the lone spartan to walk out of the hell called the Fall of Reach. And even The Covenant, who have conquered and/or destroyed entire planets, and are both physically and technologically superior to the humans, refer to him as "Demon" (not just Grunts, but even the Elites call him that) and piss in their uniforms at the mere mention of him. Any of you half-wits who doubt how formidable an adversary the Chief can be in the field are the ones who don't know what the **** they're talking about.

Any case for Master Chief is entirely circumstantial.

Please explain how. Else STFU. :up:

But hey, if Batman can win so many polls against Superman, I concede it is possible, but highly, highly improbable. I think Zenien said it best: any vote for Master Chief is fanboyism.

LOL, what day will it be when fanboys accuse each other of fanboyism...oh the irony! :hyper:

[Fenrir]

And those knocking on Samus for her inability to free-look while moving (so are we taking into account how they play, too?), have yet to address how Master Chief would be able to consistently stay on target with Samus on the clunky dual-analog system. Not to mention, it takes less than a half a second to lock-on, and once locked-on, you can't escape it. With dual-analog, you'll have to constantly adjust the X-axis and the Y-axis, which isn't very efficient.

Psst...Halo is also on the PC, kiddo, and when all know how frighteningly accurate and effecient them mice and keyboards are...:ninja:

Besides, I play with a controller sensitivity of 6-7 and I'm pretty much as quick and accurate as when playing FPSs with a mouse. Pretty much. The only ones who call Halo's control system as "clunky" are dim-witted FPS noobs who aren't used to it. Otherwise, Halo's control scheme is hand-down the most responsive, intuitive and effecient one ever to grace a console shooter. Add to that Bungie's smart-cursor system and you get what is the standard blueprint for many other games in the genre.

Again, just shut up already, junior. Every post you make in this thread only reinforces how ignorant you are about the Halo universe.

[spartan 117]

Yeah, but when she's "locked on" to the Chief, she can't aim freely like the Chief can, thereby leaving Chief as the only who can employ "tactical" maneuvers like using the environment in the kind of ways that Gordon Freeman did in the Ravenholm demo for Half-Life 2.

He would know nothing as to Ravenholm. He doesn't play anything other than Nintendo; even if he did play Xbox it would be my Xbox at his house.


I'll be here chump. And if anything that spartan 117 poster said is true about you not knowing dick about Halo, then it's in your best interest to shut up already.

He knows nothing of Halo, and all the information he is getting of it he is getting off of Winkipedia.:huh:

[Fenrir]

He would know nothing as to Ravenholm.

Even more a reason for him to get off his lazy ass and educate himself in what he's talking about.

He doesn't play anything other than Nintendo; even if he did play Xbox it would be my Xbox at his house.

That was pretty much obvious from the start. Now thanks to you, we have actual confirmation. :up:

He knows nothing of Halo, and all the information he is getting of it he is getting off of Winkipedia.:huh:

Really? Is he that dumb? Because Wiki really has tons of good info on the Halo universe. Even I occasionally go there if I can't recall certain names or events in detail or need a bit more insight.

[TheGrayGhost]

Again, all I'm seeing on your part are poor hyperboles, empty platitudes, and circumstantial scenarios that completely shrugg off how badly Samus would whoop Master Chief. It's just... disgusting to see so much grasping of the straws for such an obvious outcome. At least it should be obvious, to anyone willing to let go of their personal preferences.

...Then again, you're the same person who dismisses the perfection of Super Smash Bros. as "kiddy." Right, and next am I lead to believe that Halo and Gears of War are "mature," even with the hopelessly pathetic B-stories that even George Lucas would laugh at?

And "soccer time?" Are you kidding me? You're hopeless. And the funny thing is, you're criticising me of bias. So continue, embarass yourself further.

[Zenien]

So we can use the Metroid Manga as a reference point for Samus' Chozo Powers like Johnny DC said even though those powers are non-existent in every single Metroid game ever created, yet the Halo novels are inadmissible irrespective of the fact that they provide insight and fill the gaps not done by the game? Why do you people have to resort to such transparent hypocrisy?

Wow you really don't know Metroid. It's in the manuals.

The Halo novels are supplemental guides to the Halo universe, and in order to know more the Halo universe or even Master Chief, you have no option but to take them under consideration.

And I'll take the actual games any day of the week when the books don't line up to what the games themselves portray.

Yeah, because considering the novels will suddenly tip the scales in favor of the Chief, so you choose to play blind, deaf and dumb. Let me tell you something sweetie, if Bungie endorses the timeline and events in the Halo novels as official continuity (and they do), that too makes the novels as part of the source material, since they give more information about characters and events that the game didn't. You say you'll take the source material, but where will you find information about the Chief, his armor, his training, his capabilities from the game? Since the game doesn't speak on the subject, what will you do? Make **** up? Conjure another back-story for him when he already has an official one?

We've been over this, if the books and the actual games contradict themselves, which one will you choose.

If you take into account abilities and limitations in-game like "single shotting grunts", then Samus' helplessness in freelooking while moving is also admissble. Let's call a spade a spade now, shall we?

One is a result of a controller limitation, the other isn't. We've been over this.

If Master Chief can wipe the floor with Samus, then he can beat anyone Samus can. It's common sense.

Which he can't, and saying that because in your wrong view that MC can beat Samus and therefore beat anything she can is hilarious. That's like saying if the Deathstar can beat a planet then it can beat anything else. This isn't Dragon Ball Z, it's not a "Power level" game we're talking about here. Things like Riddly would kill Master Chief without much trouble.

Umm, what does that have to do with my point about Samus "lava-resistant" suit being unable to nullify damage from ballistic weapons?

Sigh. Your comments about the armor being able to protect the wearer from projectiles fired faster then sound. Since you can 1 shot kill chief with the handgun when he shield is down in Halo 2.


So your argument about Samus' suit and "molten lava" and all that crap is ill-conceived and meaningless.

Actually it's not, you're just misinterpreting a comment I made to illustrate the technological superiority of Samus' suit for some sort of power level dumb argument.

Samus would win the majority of the time, to say otherwise is ignorant, and she’s lead this poll since it started and she's still leading this poll and you can't stand that for some reason. Truth hurts or some such, but it doesn't change the fact that Samus would come out on top.

[TheGrayGhost]

Sorry, GrayGhost, no matter how much you try to argue to save Samus.

Save Samus? She's winning the poll. It's so goddamn obvious she would win. I cannot even believe we're having this discussion.

[Fenrir]

Again, all I'm seeing on your part are poor hyperboles, empty platitudes, and circumstantial scenarios that completely shrugg off how badly Samus would whoop Master Chief. It's just... disgusting to see so much grasping of the straws for such an obvious outcome. At least it should be obvious, to anyone willing to let go of their personal preferences.

...Then again, you're the same person who dismisses the perfection of Super Smash Bros. as "kiddy." Right, and next am I lead to believe that Halo and Gears of War are "mature," even with the hopelessly pathetic B-stories that even George Lucas would laugh at?

And "soccer time?" Are you kidding me? You're hopeless. And the funny thing is, you're criticising me of bias. So continue, embarass yourself further.

I always knew telling him about Santa would be a big mistake. Now the poor kid has gone berserk. :(

[Fenrir]

Oh and by the way, TheGrayGhost, accusing you of bias is like calling a kettle black. Heck, even your fellow Nintendo fans on this forum know you're soaked neck deep in Nintendo-cum.

[TheGrayGhost]

Oh and by the way, TheGrayGhost, accusing you of bias is like calling a kettle black. Heck, even your fellow Nintendo fans on this forum know you're soaked neck deep in Nintendo-cum.

Once I play a third party game as good as the games I've been playing since a kid, I'll change my stance. But for now, I'll gladly herald the superiority of Nintendo over every other developer. But this discussion has nothing to do with that.

EDIT: *Looks at page sixteen and sees some knowledgeable Metroid posters.* The argument was settled on that page.

[Fenrir]

Wow you really don't know Metroid. It's in the manuals.

Really? Which manuals? I just checked my copies of MP 1 and 2 and it makes no such mention. Can you specify the name of the Metroid game the manual of which states the Chozo blood in Samus grants her superpowers like that Ki or whatever **** Johnny DC mentioned in his post? I can go to my local games superstore tomorrow morning (I also have to get a new controller for my 360 from there anyway) so that I can check it out first-hand. By the way here's what he said:

If Samus and Master Cheif were to go hand to hand with no battlesuits they would be evenly matched. Heres why: Samus is infused with Chozo blood, which makes her body and spirit very powerful. Samus also has a limited use of Ki abilities, which is the ability to use spiritual energy when attacking.

If if this guy is making **** up, then please - elaborate on what EXACTLY are Samus' Chozo powers, according to you? With a verifiable source, of course. Until proven otherwiset, what I said about Samus' Chozo powers rivaling that of the Chief's genetic enhancements in a battle being a B.S claim still stands.

And I'll take the actual games any day of the week when the books don't line up to what the games themselves portray. We've been over this little guy, if the books and the actual games contradict themselves, which one will you choose.

What and how many contradictions are there? Can you please list them and explain the severity of said contradictions to completely dismiss them as official Halo canon regardless of the fact that Bungie endorses the novels as official supplements to the Halo universe in spite of this? Whatever the creators of the game say, goes. No way around it and the fact remains Bungie acknowledges the Halo novels and so must you.

One is a result of a controller limitation, the other isn't. We've been over this.

Then the other is a result of gameplay design which, according to your logic, would be just as inadmissible as the controller limitation as they're complimentary concepts not necessarily restricted by the storyline (just like how in the MGS games Snake can jump 6 feet in the air, backflip over a missile and shoot a stinger even though in the actual game itself he can't do jack **** ) because the Master Chief, as he's written in the novels would be practically invincible and that wouldn't make for a very interesting game. Plus, the game barely makes any mention of the Master Chief's abilities or the capabilities of his suit so the only official source of information in this matter is the novels. And any inconsistencies between the novel and the actual gameplay in this regard can be chalked up to game design to make it playable.

Which he can't, and saying that because in your wrong view that MC can beat Samus and therefor beat anything she can is hilarious. That's like saying if the Dathstar can beat a planet then it can beat anything else. This isn't Dragon Ball Z kiddo, it's not a "Power level" game we're talking about here. THings like Riddly would kill Master Chief without much trouble.

LOL, if Samus can figure out Ridley's glaring weakpoint and take him down, there's nothing to suggest the Chief can't as well. And he can also avoid Ridley's bombing runs and physical attacks with relative ease. At best, Ridley's nothing more than just another alien scum (albeit one that is bigger and can fly) for the Chief to take down. Just because the Chief hasn't faced such a foe before doesn't mean he can't, especially considering his abilities and formidable prowess in combat.

Sigh. Your comment about the armor being able to protect the wearer from projectiles fired faster then sound. Since you can 1 shot kill chief with the handgun wehn he sheild is down in Halo 2.

Jeez, back then I was referring to ballistic projectiles being able to harm Samus suit regardless of it's "lava-resistant" capabilities. I admit I may have exaggerated a bit about the faster than sound bit, but it always meant ballistic projectiles that travel near the speed of sound anyway.

Actually it's not, you're just misinterpreting a comment I made to illustrate the technological superiority of Samus' suit for some sort of power level dumb arguement.

But then again, how is the technological superiority of Samus' suit even relevant if it can do her no good in combat? Isn't that the point of bringing it up in the first place? And since you admit the "superior" technology of her suit can't protect her from the Chief's ballistic weapons, why even bother continuing this part of the argument?

Samus would win period, to say otherwise is ignorant, she's lead this poll since it started and she's still leading this poll and you can't stand that for some reason.

And since when have polls become the prophets of the "truth"? Because if they are, then you just might have to suck it up and admit FF12 is better than Oblivion and that Gears of War is the best game of 2006.

Truth hurts or some such, but it doesn't change the fact taht Samus would come out on top.

Apparently it seems we're living in a world where there are still helpless, ill-informed souls that actually think poll numbers are indicative of factual truth. I pity the fools trapped in such naivety. :dry:

[TheFirstandLast]

EDIT: The hatchling.

[Fenrir]

Eh, I'm bored so I'll reply to your crap anyway:

EDIT: *Looks at page sixteen and sees some knowledgeable Metroid posters.* The argument was settled on that page.

All of those arguments have been refuted on that very same and/or the following pages. But I guess you chose to be blind, deaf and dumb from that point onwards.

Again, all I'm seeing on your part are poor hyperboles, empty platitudes, and circumstantial scenarios that completely shrugg off how badly Samus would whoop Master Chief. It's just... disgusting to see so much grasping of the straws for such an obvious outcome. At least it should be obvious, to anyone willing to let go of their personal preferences.

One thing I hate more than anything in this world in dishonesty. And it's quite sickening to see you accuse me of "hyperbole, empty platitude" and whatnot when I've replied to every post of yours (and others') in concise and very specific detail whereas you, with your insecure, spineless antics have yet to give me a proper reply to my post two pages back like you promised but didn't. You can throw big words in the air as much as you like, but if you have even a single shred of dignity and self-respect, it won't be hard for you to realize that it is YOU who has come up pathetically short in this debate. And unlike me, who has played BOTH the Metroid Prime and Halo games and has at least a credible understanding and basic knowledge of both universes, you are a clueless juvenile who has virtually no idea about the Halo universe and have practically made a fool and a laughing stock out of yourself in this thread.

...Then again, you're the same person who dismisses the perfection of Super Smash Bros. as "kiddy."

Any game in which a short, fat italian plumber, a magical elf, a bounter hunter from the future, an electric cat (or whatever the **** Pikachu is) and other similar such assorted ridiculous characters fight each other in 4-way brawl on a 2D stage making funny and stupid noises can't be anything but kiddy.

Right, and next am I lead to believe that Halo and Gears of War are "mature," even with the hopelessly pathetic B-stories that even George Lucas would laugh at?

I never said they were "mature". But they're certainly a lot better than most Nintendo games because they aren't as intolerably cartoony and sugar-coated and have infinitely more style, finesse and cool factor. They're only rated as "Mature" because of the level of violence, gore and other thematic elements that make the material ill-suited for minors due to the kind of psychological effects it would have on a young mind.

And "soccer time?" Are you kidding me? You're hopeless.

Guess like your brain, your joke detector doesn't seem to work either. Come on - Samus, ball, Chief, soccer...I can't believe anyone would actually be dumb enough to take THAT seriously. But then again, it IS you that I'm talking to here. :dry:

[TheGrayGhost]

EDIT: Fenrir, are you a DC or a MARVEL guy?

[Deleted User]

Wow, I don't even have to respond anymore. Seems like Fenrir did some house-cleaning. Good job. :up:

[TheGrayGhost]

http://img124.exs.cx/img124/5290/MetroidvHalo.jpg

There. It took me a day to finish it, but that's my "proper" response. Not too shabby, all things considering. :oldrazz:

...By the way, I came across another forum with the same topic, and I thought it would be interesting to report that the poll and the discussion were far more slanted in Samus' favor. While that doesn't necessarily mean anything, I thought it would be interesting to bring it up nonetheless. Here are some comments taken from the thread:

Considering the fact that Samus' suit was made by the Chozo who are, technologicly, the most sophisticated race in the universe, Samus would probably win.

With MC's weapons and shielding, he could easily take out Samus.

Samus has no range, shields don't recharge, can't melee, and her visor fogs up too easily.

And like someone stated earlier, once the fight starts, she would loose all of her upgrades. She would be nothing more than an Elite with a Plasma Rifle that doesn't have rechargable shields = No Problem.

I hate to sound like an anal nerd, Samus is so much more powerful than Master Cheif that is' ridiculous to compare them.

Samus has been able to invade and destroy entire planets on her own, Master Cheif has yet to save even one, and that's alongside an army.

Master Cheif dies if he's too close to one lousy rocket explosion.

Samus carries 250+ missiles on her. Thats not even counting super missiles....

Or power bombs......

Or The deadly turbo boots.... Good luck seeing that train coming cheif.

Screw attack....

Space jump....

Spare tanks.....

LMAO... the Wave buster....

Yeah, even if the Cheif came riding in on a Warthog he's ******.

How is this an argument? Master Chief dies in 2 shots from a sniper rifle, one shot from a rocket launcher, or 3 shots from a pistol.

Okay, here's how it would go. Samus would have 5 energy tanks, Master Chief would shoot her 14 times with that sorry little assault rifle, then Samus would get bored and power bomb his ass. Or he would get in a Banshee and she would bust out the Ice Spreader, or dark beam black hole thing. Or maybe Samus would go into hyper Phazon mode and make the Chief explode. Have you ever seen Master Chief explode before? No? That's because the weapons in Halo are whimpy.

This is almost as bad as Star Treck vs Star Wars.

the star wars technical manuals all have numbers sveral digits higher than comparable Star Trek ships. By raw stats, the Slave 1 could outshoot the Enterprise.

Same here. Master Chief dies easy. It's what makes it a FPS. Samus has to be durable enough to make it EPIC. 14 energy tanks and full suit upgrades, Samus could stand there and wait for Master Chief to run out of ammo. Her hacking visor could throw Cortana into disarray, and she could scan him to find out about the Chief's weakness to Headshots. (this automatically adjusts her autoaim, so one regular, homing missile should score an automatic headshot.) And the wavebuster CANNOT be dodged.

I hate this discussion. It's come up so many times...

Anyone who has played both the Metroid and Halo series extensively knows that master Chief would get his butt whooped if pitted against Samus.

Again, not that it means anything, but I thought it would be interesting to bring up.

...I still think a better match-up for MC would be Jigglypuff.

[Fenrir]

EDIT: Fenrir, are you a DC or a MARVEL guy?

DC, mainly because of Batman and Superman. That's not to say I don't love Marvel as well, because I'm a sucker for Spidey, Daredevil and Iron Man. But yeah, I'll take DC anyday for Bats alone. :up:

[Fenrir]

There. It took me a day to finish it, but that's my "proper" response. Not too shabby, all things considering.

This is your "proper" response? A buncha quotes with arguments that I already addressed way earlier in the thread? :rolleyes:

Considering the fact that Samus' suit was made by the Chozo who are, technologicly, the most sophisticated race in the universe, Samus would probably win.

This had been addressed already- technological superiority matters dick when fighting the Chief, because he daily wipes the floor with hundreds, if not thousands of Covenant who use Forerunner technology, who had without a doubt the most advanced technology in the universe, one of the relics of which, Halo, is capable of instantly taking out entire star systems and galaxies on their own. The Chozo are no match for Forerunner technology.

I hate to sound like an anal nerd, Samus is so much more powerful than Master Cheif that is' ridiculous to compare them.

Again, on what level is she more "powerful" than the Chief? On the Chief's strength level alone, she can't take a punch from the Chief without being a carcass in three seconds. As for Samus' "advanced suit and weaponry", well, the Chief is a legendary soldier who knows how to improvise and use the enemy's weaponry just like his own. And his suit can take anything Samus can throw at it and would fully recharge within seconds. Any damage she inflicts on the Chief would be momentarily, whereas every point of damage her suits sustains against the Chief would be permanent. Again, these are things that have been discussed already in the thread. Before replying to this post of mine, go back and read the whole thread once again, because I'm this close to making a complete mockery of your non-existent reading skills, your diseased ignorance about everything Halo and apparent failure to pay attention to everything that's been brought up this far.

Samus has been able to invade and destroy entire planets on her own Master Cheif has yet to save even one, and that's alongside an army.

Master Chief is regularly in wars and battle ten times bigger than Samus has ever partaken in and has penetrated deep in the heart of hostile enemy territory countless number of times. You're talking about Samus "invading" a planet...yeah right. Go look at the dictionary definition of "invade", junior. "Visiting" is more like it. :down:

Master Cheif dies if he's too close to one lousy rocket explosion.

Not with overshields. And yes, he does get overshields in a battle with Samus, because it would be downright hypocritical for anyone to suggest Samus come to the fight with all her weaponry and suit upgrades but Chief doesn't get any powerups to his suit. Besides, the Chief can take damage and shrug it off within seconds. Samus would take damage and start worrying.

Samus carries 250+ missiles on her. Thats not even counting super missiles....

Or power bombs......

LOL, Master Chief single-handedly assaulted and destroyed Covenant Assault carriers that size of a star cruiser. Twice. Some chick loaded with missiles and power bombs would be a walk in the park for him.

Or The deadly turbo boots.... Good luck seeing that train coming cheif.

Or maybe your retarded sensibilities fail you at realizing the fact that Master Chief's not going to stand around staring at the train like a dumbass waiting to be run over. And the speed level of Samus' turbo boots is nothing that the Chief couldn't handle, especially with the kind of reflexes he's got. Read the Halo novels, airhead.

Screw attack....

Like it can't be countered with a direct rocket hit that can easily break her trajectory. :whatever:

A couple more while she's defenseless like that and she'll be dead pretty soon.

Space jump....

LOL, like any good that will do to her in a battle against the Chief.

"Look look, Samus can space jump!"

"Oh noes! The Chief has already lost! Woe is me!"

Spare tanks.....

...that have no way of replenishing whilst in combat and would eventually run out against the Chief. After that, poor little Samus is naked while the Chief smirks with his "3-second full recharge guarantee" that his own shields come with. :D

LMAO... the Wave buster....

At full shields, the Chief can take a direct hit from a Scorpion tank and plasma mortar from a Covenant Wraith and live to tell the tale. Some missile combo won't be of much concern to him. Plus all the Chief needs to do is get into point-blank range within Samus and deliver a killing blow through her visor with his superhuman strength or a couple of swipes from the Covenant plasma sword so that we can reserve our seats early at her funeral.

Yeah, even if the Cheif came riding in on a Warthog he's ******.

If we're taking vehicle support in the equation, why are you even arguing you dumb ****? And it's not like the Warthog is the only vehicle in the game now is it? Ah yes, you wouldn't know, you don't know dick about Halo or the Chief yet continue to make asinine arguments about how Samus would "beat" him. Didn't you humiliate yourself one too many times already, kiddo? Give it a rest.


Okay, here's how it would go. Samus would have 5 energy tanks, Master Chief would shoot her 14 times with that sorry little assault rifle, then Samus would get bored and power bomb his ass.

Which he'll shrug off like doughnuts as soon as his shield recharges within that 3-second timeframe. Like I said, at full shields, he can take a direct hit from a tank. The power bomb is like a flea bomb to him.

Or he would get in a Banshee and she would bust out the Ice Spreader, or dark beam black hole thing.

Better yet, he can call in airstrikes by issuing orders to UNSC regional command from his onboard comm. systems and turn the place Samus is standing into a crater. Game over, luv.

Or maybe Samus would go into hyper Phazon mode and make the Chief explode.

What the **** is hyper Phazon mode that seemingly gives her to make things "eplode" and what Metroid game is it in? Stop making **** up. The fact that you're resorting to such laughable crap is alone enough to reinforce the notion how desperate you've become in your last defense of your dear Samus. Pathetic.



This is almost as bad as Star Treck vs Star Wars.

the star wars technical manuals all have numbers sveral digits higher than comparable Star Trek ships. By raw stats, the Slave 1 could outshoot the Enterprise.

:dry:

Dude, WTF? No seriously. WTF?

Same here. Master Chief dies easy. It's what makes it a FPS. Samus has to be durable enough to make it EPIC. 14 energy tanks and full suit upgrades, Samus could stand there and wait for Master Chief to run out of ammo. Her hacking visor could throw Cortana into disarray, and she could scan him to find out about the Chief's weakness to Headshots. (this automatically adjusts her autoaim, so one regular, homing missile should score an automatic headshot.) And the wavebuster CANNOT be dodged.

Master Chief runs out of ammo, he closes in for the kill with his superhuman meelee strength or better yet, the Covenant Plasma sword that cuts THROUGH any and all times of shields and armor like hot knife through butter. A couple of swipes AT MOST and you have one dead Samus. Considering the Chief's frightening effeciency in battles, a single opening he gets while Samus is defenseless "scanning" his weaknesses would be more than enough to take her out. And unlike Samus, the Chief doesn't need the help of some visor or onboard scanning computer to find out an enemy's weakness. He's not dumb like Samus is. He can simply observe his enemy and figure it out within moments on the fly. Oh and I almost forgot - there's absolutely NO WAY Samus can penetrate the Chief's invincible shield bomb that he used in the Halo 3 TV spot. That alone would render ALL of Samus' weaponry against the Chief useless. Discussion over.

Oh and TheGrayGhost, this is NOT a "proper reply" to my post in question that you claimed you'd reply to. Heck, it doesn't even address a quarter of the points that I brought up. It barely even has my quotes (if any). You just took a bunch of random quotes from everywhere and mashed them together to show how you stood up to the challenge? Seriously, why not be an honest debator for a second instead of resorting to cheap and dishonest trickery to disguise your thinly-veiled cowardice? People like you make me sick to my very bones. :down:

[TheGrayGhost]

No, no. My art-work was my reply. That is what I was preparing. And in case you didn't notice, I specifically said that I only brought up those comments because I thought it would be interesting to bring up. I didn't intend for you to reply to them seriously.

[Johnny DC]

Again, on what level is she more "powerful" than the Chief? On the Chief's strength level alone, she can't take a punch from the Chief without being a carcass in three seconds.

Not sure where you're pulling this out of. With all of her energy tanks, there's no way one or two or even three attacks of anything will make her a "carcass."

As for Samus' "advanced suit and weaponry", well, the Chief is a legendary soldier who knows how to improvise and use the enemy's weaponry just like his own. And his suit can take anything Samus can throw at it and would fully recharge within seconds.

Master Chief could not use Samus' weaponry, it's augmented into her suit. And Samus is fast enough to continuously attack without letting Chief recharge, especially with beams like the light beam, plasma beam or even the standard power beam, all of which are rapid fire. Heck, all she needs to do is use her seeker missles and bam, Chief is hit with five missles at once.


Any damage she inflicts on the Chief would be momentarily, whereas every point of damage her suits sustains against the Chief would be permanent. Again, these are things that have been discussed already in the thread.

You're right, and it's already been established that Samus' shields drain slower than Chief's. Since Chief can't lock on, I doubt he'd even be able to hit her. And what about ammo? Chief can run out.



Master Chief is regularly in wars and battle ten times bigger than Samus has ever partaken in and has penetrated deep in the heart of hostile enemy territory countless number of times.

Big whoop. Samus has penetrated deep in the heart of hostile enemy territory more times than Chief.


LOL, Master Chief single-handedly assaulted and destroyed Covenant Assault carriers that size of a star cruiser. Twice. Some chick loaded with missiles and power bombs would be a walk in the park for him.

Samus could do the same. And she wouldn't be a walk in the park because of her missles and power bombs.



Or maybe your retarded sensibilities fail you at realizing the fact that Master Chief's not going to stand around staring at the train like a dumbass waiting to be run over. And the speed level of Samus' turbo boots is nothing that the Chief couldn't handle, especially with the kind of reflexes he's got. Read the Halo novels, airhead.

Master Chief can dodge something going the speed of sound? Doubtful.


Like it can't be countered with a direct rocket hit that can easily break her trajectory. :whatever:

How can a rocket take out a ball of energy?


LOL, like any good that will do to her in a battle against the Chief.

It'll be good for evading.



...that have no way of replenishing whilst in combat and would eventually run out against the Chief. After that, poor little Samus is naked while the Chief smirks with his "3-second full recharge guarantee" that his own shields come with. :D

Again, Chief can't replenish if he's continously being hit. What's great about Samus' weapons is that every time you hit the fire button, she fires, meaning you can tap it as fast as you want and she'll fire that fast.



At full shields, the Chief can take a direct hit from a Scorpion tank and plasma mortar from a Covenant Wraith and live to tell the tale. Some missile combo won't be of much concern to him. Plus all the Chief needs to do is get into point-blank range within Samus and deliver a killing blow through her visor with his superhuman strength or a couple of swipes from the Covenant plasma sword so that we can reserve our seats early at her funeral.

Sure, Chief can take direct hit, but not continuous ones. A missle combo would be of much concern to him. Plus Chief would have as much of a chance doing melee damage to Samus as the alien creature did during the opening sequence to MP Hunters.


If we're taking vehicle support in the equation, why are you even arguing you dumb ****? And it's not like the Warthog is the only vehicle in the game now is it? Ah yes, you wouldn't know, you don't know dick about Halo or the Chief yet continue to make asinine arguments about how Samus would "beat" him. Didn't you humiliate yourself one too many times already, kiddo? Give it a rest.

Again, you're insulting the air. GrayGhost didn't type that. You're humiliating yourself.



Which he'll shrug off like doughnuts as soon as his shield recharges within that 3-second timeframe. Like I said, at full shields, he can take a direct hit from a tank. The power bomb is like a flea bomb to him.

You and your 3-second timeframe. I never give my enemies that window in Metroid. Even in multiplayer. Samus always has ammo.



Better yet, he can call in airstrikes by issuing orders to UNSC regional command from his onboard comm. systems and turn the place Samus is standing into a crater. Game over, luv.

Samus could do the same thing with the Federation, dumbass.:whatever:



What the **** is hyper Phazon mode that seemingly gives her to make things "eplode" and what Metroid game is it in? Stop making **** up. The fact that you're resorting to such laughable crap is alone enough to reinforce the notion how desperate you've become in your last defense of your dear Samus. Pathetic.
The fact that you claim to have played both MPs and not know what her Phazon mode is negates any argument you've ever made. It's her suit at the end of MP when she fights the metroid prime. Ha! You're pathetic.



Master Chief runs out of ammo, he closes in for the kill with his superhuman meelee strength or better yet, the Covenant Plasma sword that cuts THROUGH any and all times of shields and armor like hot knife through butter. A couple of swipes AT MOST and you have one dead Samus. Considering the Chief's frightening effeciency in battles, a single opening he gets while Samus is defenseless "scanning" his weaknesses would be more than enough to take her out. And unlike Samus, the Chief doesn't need the help of some visor or onboard scanning computer to find out an enemy's weakness. He's not dumb like Samus is. He can simply observe his enemy and figure it out within moments on the fly. Oh and I almost forgot - there's absolutely NO WAY Samus can penetrate the Chief's invincible shield bomb that he used in the Halo 3 TV spot. That alone would render ALL of Samus' weaponry against the Chief useless. Discussion over.

Considering Samus frightening effeciency with her weapons and evading skills, she'll have no problem taking out Master Chief.

And if we're talking future games, than your arguement that Samaus can't look around while moving is null and void. And I haven't seen the TV Spot for HALO 3, but, what? She can't go around the sheild?

Oh and TheGrayGhost, this is NOT a "proper reply" to my post in question that you claimed you'd reply to. Heck, it doesn't even address a quarter of the points that I brought up. It barely even has my quotes (if any). You just took a bunch of random quotes from everywhere and mashed them together to show how you stood up to the challenge? Seriously, why not be an honest debator for a second instead of resorting to cheap and dishonest trickery to disguise your thinly-veiled cowardice? People like you make me sick to my very bones. :down:

Ha! GrayGhost, keep up the good work! You're making him sick to his very bones :) :up: Maybe on his death bed he'll realize what a moron he is for trying to make up arguements when he hasn't even played all the games.

[TheGrayGhost]

Well, I will freely admit that I haven't read the novels, or have played the games as often as some of the posters in this thread, but I think I know enough to know that Samus is way out of his league. I think Fenrir is under the impression that one hit from Master Chief is a big blow, which it is for a normal person without a Chozo power suit, but to Samus, it isn't any different from the hits she received from the genetically enhanced and Phazon-augmented space pirates she's come across. Read their log entries. At most, such a blow would probably take away a little more than half of one energy tank, not taking into account whether or not she has the Varia, Gravity, Dark/Light, Fusion, etc. suits which provide anywhere from 25% to 50% to 75% resistance to damage, respectively. But honestly, how could Master Chief possibly close the gap with his total weight of "one-metric ton," compared to Samus' nimble 200 lbs. and less. But don't let the weight fool you, as the powerful Chozo technology packs quite a punch and is extraodinarily durable (which is why the space pirates have been trying for decades to duplicate the suit with no success.)

And on that note, is Forerunner technology really superior to Chozo technology? That's news to me. Have the Forerunner been able to bend the fabric of space and time at their will and cross between various planes of existence?

Anyway... carry on with the argument. In retrospect, I didn't initially go into this looking for any serious discussion (you know, the "bebbies" and "Jigglypuff")...


Is there something I'm missing, though... if his shields are easy enough to lower and open a window of several seconds (recharging) to attack, wouldn't Samus be able to easily exploit this.

[spartan 117]

You're right, and it's already been established that Samus' shields drain slower than Chief's. Since Chief can't lock on, I doubt he'd even be able to hit her. And what about ammo? Chief can run out.
I doubt he would have to lock on because if Samus is as fast as you say she is, all the MC has to do is lead her a little and pull the trigger.

Locking on makes her combat more sluggish partly due to the fact that no matter how fast she shoots, her projectiles are not that fast. Hell, even space pirates can dodge them when they move around. MC as it has bee established is very mobile, he would have no problem either getting out of the range of the lock, or just moving and shooting just waiting for his time to strike.




Big whoop. Samus has penetrated deep in the heart of hostile enemy territory more times than Chief.
READ THE BOOKS IDIOT... MC takes the fight to the Covenant many times, and he hasen't lost a step.




Samus could do the same. And she wouldn't be a walk in the park because of her missles and power bombs.

With MC's precision aiming he would shoot the missles as they left her arm, blowing up her arm. Leaving her without any projectile weopon.



Master Chief can dodge something going the speed of sound? Doubtful.
she would be dead before she even got the boots on.



How can a rocket take out a ball of energy?
Simple Law of Physics. Not to mention her ball makes her defenceless (weaker). And the Rocket would only have to hit the Armor covering her energy and send her flying.



Again, Chief can't replenish if he's continously being hit. What's great about Samus' weapons is that every time you hit the fire button, she fires, meaning you can tap it as fast as you want and she'll fire that fast.
Yet again you all assume that the Chief will just stand there and let her hit him.



Plus Chief would have as much of a chance doing melee damage to Samus as the alien creature did during the opening sequence to MP Hunters.
That creature is not as fast as the Chief, nor as agile.



Again, you're insulting the air. GrayGhost didn't type that. You're humiliating yourself.
I think Fenrir is imberassing you; everything you guys post he posts right back. Keep up the good work:up:




You and your 3-second timeframe. I never give my enemies that window in Metroid. Even in multiplayer. Samus always has ammo. Yet again, HE. WILL. NOT. BE. STANDING. STILL. THE. WHOLE. TIME.


Considering Samus frightening effeciency with her weapons and evading skills, she'll have no problem taking out Master Chief.

No real efficiency in "lock on" and the "slow projectiles."

And I haven't seen the TV Spot for HALO 3, but, what? She can't go around the sheild?Complete ignorance :huh: It covers him completely.



Ha! GrayGhost, keep up the good work! You're making him sick to his very bones :) :up: Maybe on his death bed he'll realize what a moron he is for trying to make up arguements when he hasn't even played all the games.
So, GrayGhost has not really played Halo at all. So what's your point?

Oh yeah did I mention that he is now just barley getting into the MP series. He has never played them before.

[spartan 117]

http://img124.exs.cx/img124/5290/MetroidvHalo.jpg

There. It took me a day to finish it, but that's my "proper" response. Not too shabby, all things considering. :oldrazz:


I know for a fact that you didn't draw this; not your style.

You just got it off the internet.
http://img124.exs.cx/img124/5290/MetroidvHalo.jpg

Theres the link to the picture.

[TheGrayGhost]

Pat, what the hell are you doing here? Uploaded the sketch to the server.

[TheGrayGhost]

And another thing, are we in agreement that Samus would win 100% of the time if only the two games are considered, not the novels? Because that's all I really care about.

[spartan 117]

Okay, Brain, you had to put my name out for what reasons? Is it for the fact that you couldn't really come up with anything to say. Sure. Fine. Maybe you just happened to draw that picture, but just so you know that picture you "Happened" to draw has the old Master Chief Suit and not to mention the old 'AR.'

But up close, MC would not shoot, he would melee.

So watch the names next time, that is why we have screen names.

One more thing, you can threaten me all you want about banning me, but if you do it shows how childish you really are.

[Johnny DC]

I doubt he would have to lock on because if Samus is as fast as you say she is, all the MC has to do is lead her a little and pull the trigger.

Locking on makes her combat more sluggish partly due to the fact that no matter how fast she shoots, her projectiles are not that fast. Hell, even space pirates can dodge them when they move around. MC as it has bee established is very mobile, he would have no problem either getting out of the range of the lock, or just moving and shooting just waiting for his time to strike.

I've never seen anything dodge a plasma or light beam, especially when she's locked on.


READ THE BOOKS IDIOT... MC takes the fight to the Covenant many times, and he hasen't lost a step.

COUNT IDIOT. There have been nine Metroid games, ten when Corruption is released. Add the manga. Now Halo, it only has two games, three when the next one comes out, four novels and one graphic novel. Do the math; Samus has had more adventures so far.




With MC's procission aiming he would shoot the missles as they left her arm, blowing up her arm. Leaving her without any projectile weopon.

His aim depends on who's playing.



she would be dead before she even got the boots on.

He would be dead before he found a gun.



Simple Law of Physics. Not to mention her ball makes her defenceless (weaker). And the Rocket would only have to hit the Armor covering her energy and send her flying.

Simple law of physics...? Go on, what's the law?... You're retarded. And she doesn't go into her ball when she screw attacks, a ball of energy surrounds her. I thought you played the game.


Yet again you all assume that the Chief will just stand there and let her hit him.

If Samus is locked on, it doesn't matter if he's moving or not.



That creature is not as fast as the Chief, nor as agile.

I'll believe it when I see it in the Halo game.




I think Fenrir is imberassing you; everything you guys post he posts right back. Keep up the good work:up:

He's not embarassing me. :confused: What makes you think I'm embarassed. He hasn't ever replied yet. :rolleyes:




Yet again, HE. WILL. NOT. BE. STANDING. STILL. THE. WHOLE. TIME.

His movement has nothing to do with his continual punishment. Yet again, SHE. WILL. BE. LOCKED. ON.


No real efficiency in "lock on" and the "slow projectiles."

Except for the fact that her aim will never falter and that she has projectiles that move the speed of light.


Complete ignorance :huh: It covers him completely.

I don't watch as much television as you I guess. :confused::rolleyes: You're the ignorant one who was wrong about the screw attack, and that game's out already.



So, GrayGhost has not really played Halo at all. So what's your point?

Oh yeah did I mention that he is now just barley getting into the MP series. He has never played them before.

And yet, with as little as he's seen, he still knows Samus would win. Good for him. :up:

[InVictus]

Both would be wiped out by Turrican:P

[spartan 117]

I've never seen anything dodge a plasma or light beam, especially when she's locked on.
Then what difficulty are you putting your game at, seems to me when I played them on the hardist difficulty they were able to dodge a lock on with plasma equiped.



COUNT IDIOT. There have been nine Metroid games, ten when Corruption is released. Add the manga. Now Halo, it only has two games, three when the next one comes out, four novels and one graphic novel. Do the math; Samus has had more adventures so far.
So obviosly you haven't read the books, each one has many adventures inside them. Each battle making the Chief more and more experienced.





His aim depends on who's playing.
Am I mistaken, i thought that this was a battle between the characters, not between real people contolling them. Even so that gives the Chief even a higher advantage.

And I thought we established that Multiplayer has nothing to do with each.





He would be dead before he found a gun.
He wouldn't need a gun, just his fists would do fine.





Simple law of physics...? Go on, what's the law?... You're retarded. And she doesn't go into her ball when she screw attacks, a ball of energy surrounds her. I thought you played the game.
"AN OBJECT IN MOTION STAYS IN MOTION UNLESS ACTED UPON BY AN OUTSIDE FORCE" -Sir. Isaac Newton





If Samus is locked on, it doesn't matter if he's moving or not. Then how are the enemies able to move out of range of her lock? So he can move out of range.



His movement has nothing to do with his continual punishment. Yet again, SHE. WILL. BE. LOCKED. ON.
Need I say more look up ^.


I don't watch as much television as you I guess. :confused::rolleyes: You're the ignorant one who was wrong about the screw attack, and that game's out already.
Oh the trailer is on the NET, just find it.

What "game's out already"?




And yet, with as little as he's seen, he still knows Samus would win. Good for him. :up:
And yet your the real fanboy here. "More adventures?" Basing your entire hope of winning on "Seniority" I guess.

Oh yeah, Master Chief doesn't go on "ADVENTURES" he goes to "WAR":wow:

[DACMAN]

And another thing, are we in agreement that Samus would win 100% of the time if only the two games are considered, not the novels? Because that's all I really care about.Two things.

One, no. We are not in agreement. The Chief would win every time. Anyone who says different is just a Nintendo fan boy.

Two, just look at your sig.:whatever:

[Warhammer]

^I'm definitely not a Nintendo fanboy, and I think that Samus would own Master Chief.

[Deleted User]

^I'm definitely not a Nintendo fanboy, and I think that Samus would own Master Chief.

Well, he also didn't mention that anyone who thinks this also knows little to nothing in the way of either characters. :o

[Deleted User]

Not sure where you're pulling this out of. With all of her energy tanks, there's no way one or two or even three attacks of anything will make her a "carcass."

Master Chief uses the Covenant Energy Sword and leap-strikes her from 20 feet away, instantly impaling her on a rod of pure plasma. Samus loses. And yes, one or two of these attacks would end up with a very dead Samus.




Master Chief could not use Samus' weaponry, it's augmented into her suit. And Samus is fast enough to continuously attack without letting Chief recharge, especially with beams like the light beam, plasma beam or even the standard power beam, all of which are rapid fire. Heck, all she needs to do is use her seeker missles and bam, Chief is hit with five missles at once.


And you're still arguing like Master Chief is going to stand still. And you do realize that since he's a tactical mastermind that he could use any and all cover and structures to his advantage. Unless they're fighting in a vacuum, or in a desert, it's not like he won't be able to take advantage of his surroundings. But even then, he's got the speed and agility to evade anything she throws his way long enough for his shields to recharge even somewhat.

You're right, and it's already been established that Samus' shields drain slower than Chief's. Since Chief can't lock on, I doubt he'd even be able to hit her. And what about ammo? Chief can run out.

Why couldn't he hit her again? Considering that everything suggests that Master Chief in normality is faster than Samus without her having to use her turbo boots every five seconds. And yes, he can run out of ammo. Thankfully for him, there is such a thing as extra clips, as well as the energy sword..

Big whoop. Samus has penetrated deep in the heart of hostile enemy territory more times than Chief.

And what source exactly did you get this from, hmm?

Samus could do the same. And she wouldn't be a walk in the park because of her missles and power bombs.

What's that have to do with, well.. anything?

Master Chief can dodge something going the speed of sound? Doubtful.

Considering that the speed of trained soldiers' movements were the speed of, well, a fist through jelly when he first came out of his initial training and augmentation.. I'm sure that he would be able to dodge something going the speed of sound.


How can a rocket take out a ball of energy?

As spartan and Fenrir said, a blast from a rocket can quite easily knock a fast-moving object off of it's trajectory.. or at least slow it down quite a bit. Unless of course we aren't playing with the laws of physics here anymore, either.

Again, Chief can't replenish if he's continously being hit. What's great about Samus' weapons is that every time you hit the fire button, she fires, meaning you can tap it as fast as you want and she'll fire that fast.

Unfortunately, I think that an automatic weapon fires rounds faster than a person tapping their button with their finger as rapidly as they can. That's why there's a difference between semi-automatic and automatic guns.

Sure, Chief can take direct hit, but not continuous ones. A missle combo would be of much concern to him. Plus Chief would have as much of a chance doing melee damage to Samus as the alien creature did during the opening sequence to MP Hunters.

Actually, with the use of his shield generator he could take pretty much any blast continuous or not from Samus' weapons. And the last line of yours got a good laugh out of me. This pretty much exemplifies exactly why you have absolutely no knowledge of what MC can do. He can flip a tank like a beachball, you don't think he could crush her like a soda can with his brute strength? Not to mention the leap-strike with the energy sword.

Again, you're insulting the air. GrayGhost didn't type that. You're humiliating yourself.

Actually, he did type that. He brought vehicles into the equation when we weren't even taking them into account to begin with. Fenrir replied accordingly. Please, just quit while you're ahead.


You and your 3-second timeframe. I never give my enemies that window in Metroid. Even in multiplayer. Samus always has ammo.

Yes, but none of your "enemies" have the mobility or knowledge of battlefield tactics that Master Chief does. Your argument is null and void. I also love that "Samus always has ammo" bit, that has absolutely nothing to do with MC being able to outmaneuver and generally out-think Samus.

Samus could do the same thing with the Federation, dumbass.

UNSC > Federation. Believe me.


The fact that you claim to have played both MPs and not know what her Phazon mode is negates any argument you've ever made. It's her suit at the end of MP when she fights the metroid prime. Ha! You're pathetic.

Then you also have to take into Master Chief with overshield and camo activated. Seeing as you're pulling out one-time equipment options that Samus never has in regularity.

Considering Samus frightening effeciency with her weapons and evading skills, she'll have no problem taking out Master Chief.

Considering that Master Chief has frightening efficiency with his own weapons, and the weapons of other races.. as well as being able to use any situation to his advantage.. you're assertion makes absolutely no sense.

Congratulations. :huh:

And if we're talking future games, than your arguement that Samaus can't look around while moving is null and void. And I haven't seen the TV Spot for HALO 3, but, what? She can't go around the sheild?

Even without it, it really doesn't matter since Samus can't look around while moving. But with it, she can't go around the shield.. it acts as a bubble that will fend off any and EVERY physical and energy-based attack that comes his way.



Ha! GrayGhost, keep up the good work! You're making him sick to his very bones :) :up: Maybe on his death bed he'll realize what a moron he is for trying to make up arguements when he hasn't even played all the games.

Congratulating GrayGhost and patting yourself on the back is the furthest from a smart or logical thing to be doing at this point. The only thing you are trumpeting by this is your arrogance and self-inflated ego, not any kind of victory.

You lose in the game of life. :down

[Fenrir]

Not sure where you're pulling this out of. With all of her energy tanks, there's no way one or two or even three attacks of anything will make her a "carcass."

The Chief, with his superhuman strength, can easily break through Samus' visor and punch her in the face that her "energy tanks" can't protect. And if not, there's always the Plasma sword that cuts through shield and armor like hot knife through butter.

Master Chief could not use Samus' weaponry, it's augmented into her suit. And Samus is fast enough to continuously attack without letting Chief recharge, especially with beams like the light beam, plasma beam or even the standard power beam, all of which are rapid fire. Heck, all she needs to do is use her seeker missles and bam, Chief is hit with five missles at once.Like I said, the Chief's new found shield bomb in Halo 3 is enough to nullify ALL of Samus attacks. He simply has to wait until she runs out and then go in for the kill.

You're right, and it's already been established that Samus' shields drain slower than Chief's. Since Chief can't lock on, I doubt he'd even be able to hit her. And what about ammo? Chief can run out.The Chief is not incompetent like Samus where he needs some onboard computer to lock on and do the targeting for him. He can hit a bird's eye from a 3-mile distance on his own. Samus can't. The Chief is a natural warrior whose abilities are enhanced by his MJOLNIR armor. Samus can't do **** without her power suit.

Big whoop. Samus has penetrated deep in the heart of hostile enemy territory more times than Chief.Yeah, enemy territory that is also half-vacant and empty and not like the hellish warzones the Chief regularly ventures into.

Samus could do the same. Has she? If not, shut your trap before any more of that feces comes rolling out.

And she wouldn't be a walk in the park because of her missles and power bombs.So you're saying it would be difficult for her? :confused:

Really, do you even know what you're saying? Go take a crash course in basic English and then come back here, junior.

Master Chief can dodge something going the speed of sound? Doubtful.Again, BRING ME ****ING PROOF THAT SAMUS's TURBO BOOTS ALLOW HER TO MOVE AT THE SPEED OF SOUND. When will you clowns stop making up **** and exaggerating facts. Haven't you embarassed yourselves enough?

How can a rocket take out a ball of energy?I said break the ball's trajectory, dumbass.

It'll be good for evading.And that's ALL she can do in a fight against the Chief. Run...run like the wind.

Again, Chief can't replenish if he's continously being hit. What's great about Samus' weapons is that every time you hit the fire button, she fires, meaning you can tap it as fast as you want and she'll fire that fast.But as long as you use the power beam like a semi-automatic machine gun, it'll do laughably non-existent damage, especially to foes with shields. The Chief can shrug it off like flies while moving in closer for the kill. Bye-bye sweetie.

Sure, Chief can take direct hit, but not continuous ones. A missle combo would be of much concern to him. Not when he has that nifty shield bomb now. You guys just better give up already. Nothing can break through that baby. The Chief has got an impenetrable defense.

Plus Chief would have as much of a chance doing melee damage to Samus as the alien creature did during the opening sequence to MP Hunters.Comparing a genetic, state-of-the-art supersoldier who regularly kills hundreds, if not thousands of alien scum on a daily basis with "the alien creature in the opening of MP Hunters" shows how much you know about the Chief (which by the way, is jack ****).

Again, you're insulting the air. GrayGhost didn't type that. You're humiliating yourself.I'm insulting TheGrayGhost for posting that hysterically amusing filth. And you just humiliated yourself by proving yourself an illiterate retard for being unable to figure something as simple as that.

You and your 3-second timeframe. I never give my enemies that window in Metroid. Even in multiplayer. Samus always has ammo.You know, that would have been the single plausible argument in favor of Samus, except of course, all her infinite ammo weapons can't hit through walls or cover, which the Chief uses to replenish his shields.

Samus could do the same thing with the Federation, dumbass.:whatever: Except the Federation has never once come to her aid like that, which proves that she can't. Pull that noggin out of your anal cavity before mashing the keyboard, son. :up:

The fact that you claim to have played both MPs and not know what her Phazon mode is negates any argument you've ever made. It's her suit at the end of MP when she fights the metroid prime. Ha! You're pathetic.First of all, he said Phazon mode, NOT suit, you inbred jackass. Learn to read. Secondly, the Phazon suit only gives Samus an incremental boost to her armor and allows her to resist and use Blue Phazon, but it can't psychically make her enemies explode like TheGrayGhost posted. Jeez, why even bother coming to a discussion if you can't even comprehend the language in question? You must have failed grade-school or something to be so damn poor at reading basic stuff like that.

Considering Samus frightening effeciency with her weapons and evading skills, she'll have no problem taking out Master Chief.Uhh, except she can't. That much had been proven so far in the thread. D'uh. :rolleyes:

And if we're talking future games, than your arguement that Samaus can't look around while moving is null and void.How? Can Samus look around freely while moving in MP3? I thought the developers already made clear they have no intention of making MP play like a FPS? You're stuck with the same tank-like controls, chump.

And I haven't seen the TV Spot for HALO 3, but, what? Then go watch it, you incorrigible waste of DNA! How can you even try to reply to something when you don't know what it is to begin with? :dry:

She can't go around the sheild?Yeah, best of luck to her for going around this shield:

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/749/749182/halo-3-20061205095653662.jpg

Ha! GrayGhost, keep up the good work! You're making him sick to his very bones :) Maybe on his death bed he'll realize what a moron he is for trying to make up arguements when he hasn't even played all the games.Maybe Johnny DC will shoot himself so that he won't be able to breed and us and the rest of the humanity will be spared from his illiterate, dumbass and retarded progeny. "

Saving the world from stupidity, one moron at a time."

[Fenrir]

And another thing, are we in agreement that Samus would win 100% of the time if only the two games are considered, not the novels? Because that's all I really care about.

Why would only the two Halo games are considered when every single Metroid game and manga are taken into account? Why don't you stop with these diseased double standards already? You're really grasping for straws here, kiddo.

[Kung Fu master]

I think maybe Fenrir has a crush on MC

[Deleted User]

I think maybe Fenrir has a crush on MC

I think maybe people can argue for a video game character without having a "crush" on them. There's nothing wrong with arguing for the correct viewpoint, you know.

[Master Chief]

Are you guys discussing a fight in a game world, or in the real world? Because I see a lot of stuff grounded in reality, then it does a 180 and I read about "can't look up or down" And just. Gawd.

[Kung Fu master]

I think Deleted User is just defending his own crush on MC... :o:

[Fenrir]

Well, I will freely admit that I haven't read the novels, or have played the games as often as some of the posters in this thread, but I think I know enough to know that Samus is way out of his league.

How do you know Samus is way out of his league when you, by your own admission, haven't even played the games and don't know **** about Halo? :rolleyes:

Quit playing with words like a fumbling juvenile and start making sense, chimpy.

I think Fenrir is under the impression that one hit from Master Chief is a big blow, which it is for a normal person without a Chozo power suit, but to Samus, it isn't any different from the hits she received from the genetically enhanced and Phazon-augmented space pirates she's come across. Read their log entries. At most, such a blow would probably take away a little more than half of one energy tank, not taking into account whether or not she has the Varia, Gravity, Dark/Light, Fusion, etc. suits which provide anywhere from 25% to 50% to 75% resistance to damage, respectively.

I'm talking about a punch from the Master Chief with his superhuman strength smashing through Samus' visor and hitting her directly in the flesh. No way she's surviving that one. And then there's the Plasma Sword that *cue chorus* cuts through shields and armor like hot knife through butter *end chorus*. A point-blank range encounter with the Chief is suicide for Samus. Period.

But honestly, how could Master Chief possibly close the gap with his total weight of "one-metric ton," compared to Samus' nimble 200 lbs. and less.

You also don't seem to realize this "one-metric ton" guy also has the strength to flip tanks in the air. A metric ton is like featherweight to him. And if you did know anything about the Halo universe, instead of dragging him down, the suit enhances the Chief's strength, mobility, speed and reflex to unimaginable levels. He might actually be able to move faster in the suit than he can without it.

Oh and he weighs half a metric ton. :whatever:

But don't let the weight fool you, as the powerful Chozo technology packs quite a punch and is extraodinarily durable (which is why the space pirates have been trying for decades to duplicate the suit with no success.)

Goes to show how dumb those space pirates really are. :woot:

And on that note, is Forerunner technology really superior to Chozo technology? That's news to me. Have the Forerunner been able to bend the fabric of space and time at their will and cross between various planes of existence?

Uhh, yeah. :dry:

Why don't you stop making an utter joke out of yourself and just go play the games already? Jeez, I'm getting exhausted spoon-feeding every single detail to that empty container you call a brain.

Anyway... carry on with the argument. In retrospect, I didn't initially go into this looking for any serious discussion (you know, the "bebbies" and "Jigglypuff")...

Thinly-veiled sarcasm. You got anymore childish tricks up your sleeve, junior? Because this place sure as hell could be lightened up a bit with more of your idiotically amusing quips.

Is there something I'm missing, though... if his shields are easy enough to lower and open a window of several seconds (recharging) to attack, wouldn't Samus be able to easily exploit this.

The suits' shields is not the Chief's only defense. In Halo 3, he's also got a nifty new shield bomb that is impossible to penetrate no matter what you throw at it. All of Samus' weaponry is useless against it. Time to concede the argument, little buddy. Because a piss-poor fanboy art is about as close as Samus can get to beating the Master Chief. That's her ultimate forte - the mind of the Nintendork. That's why she's always naked during the end credits of Metroid games, because the fantasy has ended leaving her bare as things snap back into the real world. Natch. :woot:

[Deleted User]

I think Deleted User is just defending him because he has a crush on MC too... :o:

You bore me.

[Fenrir]

I think maybe Fenrir has a crush on MC

Which one? :confused: :D

[Kung Fu master]

This one :D

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/jgarc123/masterchief.jpg


http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/jgarc123/samus.jpg

^But I like her :cwink:

[Fenrir]

Because you're homophobic. :o

Wait...that doesn't sound right. :confused:

[Deleted User]

I never got the freakishly large shoulderpads, by the way. They don't make much sense to me.

[Kung Fu master]

Master Chief can't do this, suckas!!!

http://smashbrothersonline.com/Images/Samus.jpg

[Johnny DC]

The Chief, with his superhuman strength, can easily break through Samus' visor and punch her in the face that her "energy tanks" can't protect. And if not, there's always the Plasma sword that cuts through shield and armor like hot knife through butter.

Uh, energy tanks are health, they don't protect anything you f***ing retard.

Like I said, the Chief's new found shield bomb in Halo 3 is enough to nullify ALL of Samus attacks. He simply has to wait until she runs out and then go in for the kill.

Until she runs out of what? She doesn't need ammo. That's been covered countless times already, jackass.

The Chief is not incompetent like Samus where he needs some onboard computer to lock on and do the targeting for him. He can hit a bird's eye from a 3-mile distance on his own. Samus can't. The Chief is a natural warrior whose abilities are enhanced by his MJOLNIR armor. Samus can't do **** without her power suit.

...You're stupidty is making me dumber. It's not incompetence; it's damn good technology. And how many f***ing times do we have to tell you, Samus is just as agile and fast out of her suit as she is while she's in it. SHE HAS CHOZO BLOOD. SHE HAS METROID BLOOD. YOU'RE RETARDED.

Yeah, enemy territory that is also half-vacant and empty and not like the hellish warzones the Chief regularly ventures into.

If anyone's been to hell and back, it's Samus when she went into Dark Aether.

Has she? If not, shut your trap before any more of that feces comes rolling out.

No, but she could. She usually goes to their aid. Have you seen the Federation soldiers from MP Echoes or Hunters? There's an uncanny resemblence to Master Chief; a tongue-in-cheek way of saying Master Chief and his soldiers couldn't cut it in the Metroid universe. Shut your trap before any more of MC's bodily fluid comes oozing out.

So you're saying it would be difficult for her? :confused:

Really, do you even know what you're saying? Go take a crash course in basic English and then come back here, junior.

Or, you could just learn to read. You said Samus, with her missles and power bombs, woud be a walk in the park for MC. I'm saying she wouldn't be a walk in the park because of her missles and power bombs. I know you're in first grade, so I won't hold your lack of reading comprehension against you.

Again, BRING ME ****ING PROOF THAT SAMUS's TURBO BOOTS ALLOW HER TO MOVE AT THE SPEED OF SOUND. When will you clowns stop making up **** and exaggerating facts. Haven't you embarassed yourselves enough?

Again, YOU'D HAVE TO PLAY THE ****ING GAME! The full description is in the her logbook. I'm not asking you to write passages from the books proving MC's speed am I?

I said break the ball's trajectory, dumbass.

Okay, fine by me, sh**face. So long as you admit a rocket wouldn't take out Samus' screw attack.

And that's ALL she can do in a fight against the Chief. Run...run like the wind.

All MC can do his hide and die

But as long as you use the power beam like a semi-automatic machine gun, it'll do laughably non-existent damage, especially to foes with shields. The Chief can shrug it off like flies while moving in closer for the kill. Bye-bye sweetie.

He couldn't do that against the light or plasma beam. Or better yet: the Omega Canon, which I guarantee you can blast apart MC's armor, just as it did to Gorea's impenatrable armor in MP Hunters. If MC's anywhere in the line of sight of the canon's impact, he's instantly dead.

Not when he has that nifty shield bomb now. You guys just better give up already. Nothing can break through that baby. The Chief has got an impenetrable defense.

Again: Omega Canon. Or even the Hyper Beam from Super Metroid. It could pass through anything, even walls.

Comparing a genetic, state-of-the-art supersoldier who regularly kills hundreds, if not thousands of alien scum on a daily basis with "the alien creature in the opening of MP Hunters" shows how much you know about the Chief (which by the way, is jack ****).

MC would be just another alien scum to Samus, who also regularly commits genocide with alien species.

You know, that would have been the single plausible argument in favor of Samus, except of course, all her infinite ammo weapons can't hit through walls or cover, which the Chief uses to replenish his shields.

Oh snap! I win! Her Hyper Beam passes through matter! Ha, ha!; you admit it! You're my b**ch now!

Except the Federation has never once come to her aid like that, which proves that she can't. Pull that noggin out of your anal cavity before mashing the keyboard, son. :up:

How about you pull that MC helmet out of your anal cavity because she's works for the Federation, beeyotch.

First of all, he said Phazon mode, NOT suit, you inbred jackass. Learn to read. Secondly, the Phazon suit only gives Samus an incremental boost to her armor and allows her to resist and use Blue Phazon, but it can't psychically make her enemies explode like TheGrayGhost posted. Jeez, why even bother coming to a discussion if you can't even comprehend the language in question? You must have failed grade-school or something to be so damn poor at reading basic stuff like that.

First of all, Phazon mode refers to her Phazon suit you analy-bred sh**face. Second, I never agreed that it made enemies explode. Go ahead, keep trying; you'll get out of first grade someday.

Uhh, except she can't. That much had been proven so far in the thread. D'uh. :rolleyes:

Really? Because I've seen more support for Samus than MC in this thread. Heck, even check the poll.

How? Can Samus look around freely while moving in MP3? I thought the developers already made clear they have no intention of making MP play like a FPS? You're stuck with the same tank-like controls, chump.

She's going to move with the nunchuck attatchment and aim with the wiimote. LEARN. TO. READ.

Then go watch it, you incorrigible waste of DNA! How can you even try to reply to something when you don't know what it is to begin with? :dry:

I'll make you a deal: I'll watch it when you play the other Metroid games and know what the f*** your talking about.

Maybe Johnny DC will shoot himself so that he won't be able to breed and us and the rest of the humanity will be spared from his illiterate, dumbass and retarded progeny. "

Saving the world from stupidity, one moron at a time."

But I have too much to live for now that you're my b**ch. And as my b**ch, I order you to eat sh** and die. :)

[Deleted User]

[quote=Johnny DC;11103568]Uh, energy tanks are health, they don't protect anything you f***ing retard.

He didn't realize this or he worded it wrongly, that's no excuse for being a complete jackass about it.

Until she runs out of what? She doesn't need ammo. That's been covered countless times already, jackass.

Once again, stop with the ad hominem bull**** and just base your argument in fact and not go railing off on someone nonsensically to try to distract from the fact that you know little to nothing. If anything, it shows that apparently someone's gotten to you.

...You're stupidty is making me dumber. It's not incompetence; it's damn good technology. And how many f***ing times do we have to tell you, Samus is just as agile and fast out of her suit as she is while she's in it. SHE HAS CHOZO BLOOD. SHE HAS METROID BLOOD. YOU'RE RETARDED.

Funny when you can't spell stupidity. Learn proper English before trying to insult someone. It's making me dumber. Actually, that's what you would call incompetence. If she has to have a machine do something for her, apparently she is not up to MC's level of tactical ability.

Apparently since her suit allows her to "run at the speed of sound", that's quite impossible, sonny boy. And just as fast and agile in her suit (discounting the speed boosts awarded by any suit upgrades) means slower than MC, unfortunately.


If anyone's been to hell and back, it's Samus when she went into Dark Aether.

Yes, and MC single-handedly infiltrated a Covenant stronghold.

No, but she could. She usually goes to their aid. Have you seen the Federation soldiers from MP Echoes or Hunters? There's an uncanny resemblence to Master Chief; a tongue-in-cheek way of saying Master Chief and his soldiers couldn't cut it in the Metroid universe. Shut your trap before any more of MC's bodily fluid comes oozing out.

A tongue-in-cheek way of saying MC couldn't cut it? Oh please, are you really serious? If Nintendo is trying to say that, then they obviously are just as narrow-minded and dunder-headed as you. And that last line, just what? What the hell is that supposed to mean? I'm sorry, but MC is a video game character, he doesn't have "bodily fluid".

Or, you could just learn to read. You said Samus, with her missles and power bombs, woud be a walk in the park for MC. I'm saying she wouldn't be a walk in the park because of her missles and power bombs. I know you're in first grade, so I won't hold your lack of reading comprehension against you.

Again, pointing out others comprehension mistakes because of the fact that you phrased something oddly in light of what you were supposedly responding to does not make you any more right.

Again, YOU'D HAVE TO PLAY THE ****ING GAME! The full description is in the her logbook. I'm not asking you to write passages from the books proving MC's speed am I?

Then you'd have to read the book yourself to actually know?? There's a concept.

:huh:

Okay, fine by me, sh**face. So long as you admit a rocket wouldn't take out Samus' screw attack.

It would more than likely throw her off her trajectory. It's a ****ing rocket, do you not expect a blast that can blow apart a tank to at least phase her? Or is your head that far up your ass?

All MC can do his hide and die

Really now? You mean like the fact that the only thing that you've been able to prove would work in Samus' favor would be evading what MC throws at her? Nice one there, Chief.

He couldn't do that against the light or plasma beam. Or better yet: the Omega Canon, which I guarantee you can blast apart MC's armor, just as it did to Gorea's impenatrable armor in MP Hunters. If MC's anywhere in the line of sight of the canon's impact, he's instantly dead.

Unfortunately, most of these attacks take awhile to charge OR they're incredibly slow compared to the actual speed of ballistic weapons found in other games, like Halo. Also, the shield grenade/bomb.


Again: Omega Canon. Or even the Hyper Beam from Super Metroid. It could pass through anything, even walls.

I'm sorry, but a SHIELD isn't a wall. A wraith tank plasma blast could also BLOW UP a wall, I'm sure, but it is clearly blocked quite easily with the shield grenade in the teaser.

MC would be just another alien scum to Samus, who also regularly commits genocide with alien species.

How do you figure? Really, I'm all ears for your "facts".

Oh snap! I win! Her Hyper Beam passes through matter! Ha, ha!; you admit it! You're my b**ch now!

Um, what? Are you just desperately grasping for anything and everything to make yourself look less absolutely neanderthalic, or is this just a one time bout of insanity?

How about you pull that MC helmet out of your anal cavity because she's works for the Federation, beeyotch.

And MC works for UNSC, which has hundreds of warships that could easily destroy solar systems.

First of all, Phazon mode refers to her Phazon suit you analy-bred sh**face. Second, I never agreed that it made enemies explode. Go ahead, keep trying; you'll get out of first grade someday.

He never said that you agreed to it. He said that's what GrayGhost said, and then you went off on him accusing of not knowing anything. When GrayGhost clearly said "Phazon mode" instead of Phazon suit, and made up that "enemies exploded" because of it.


Really? Because I've seen more support for Samus than MC in this thread. Heck, even check the poll.

A poll from about, say, 100 or so people means.. well.. absolutely jack ****. Sorry to burst your bubble, buddy boy.

She's going to move with the nunchuck attatchment and aim with the wiimote. LEARN. TO. READ.

What's any of this have to do with reading? You never said anywhere that she was going to move with the nunchuck and aim with the wii-mote. You just said she won't have that problem in the next Metroid.

LEARN. TO. EXPLAIN. YOURSELF.

I'll make you a deal: I'll watch it when you play the other Metroid games and know what the f*** your talking about.

Apparently he does, you're just in denial. :csad:



But I have too much to live for now that you're my b**ch. And as my b**ch, I order you to eat sh** and die. :)

Actually, I doubt anyone could be your *****. You're too pathetic to be able to make anything other than a cardboard box your *****.

[Master Chief]

There's no way Samus and Master Chief would fight each other. They'd be the ultimate ass kicking couple. And their kids? Well. You could fantasize about childhood fights over little things. Epic stuff could come of that.

[Danger Mouse]

Deleted User and Johnny DC, you are being warned for the use of unnecessary language in pursuing personal attacks.

[Deleted User]

As long as he learns to not take arguments personally and attack other members to make himself feel like a big man, I'll refrain from mopping the floor with his self-esteem.

[Danger Mouse]

Thank you.

And a warning goes out to Fenrir as well.

Lets take everything down a notch, shall we, please?

[Fenrir]

Uh, energy tanks are health, they don't protect anything you f***ing retard.

So you're actually saying the energy tanks are for Samus herself and not her suit? LOL! Where does she store 15 energy tanks? In her ass?

Until she runs out of what? She doesn't need ammo. That's been covered countless times already, jackass.All of Samus' weapons that have unlimited ammo are either pathetically weak or pathetically slow. The only kind of weapons she has that can actually damage the Chief are the ones that can run out. Get it, "jackass"?

...You're stupidty is making me dumber. It's not incompetence; it's damn good technology. Like I said, unlike the Chief, she can't do **** without her suit. Her Chozo blood does not giver her genetic enhancements like the Chief that significantly increase her speed, strength, reflex and battle instincts. Heck, she can't use any of her weapons without the suit. The Chief would ass-rape her.

And how many f***ing times do we have to tell you, Samus is just as agile and fast out of her suit as she is while she's in it. SHE HAS CHOZO BLOOD. SHE HAS METROID BLOOD. YOU'RE RETARDED.AND HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO PROVOKE YOUR LYING INCOMPETENT ASS TO BRING ME PROOF OF SAMUS' CHOZO "SUPERPOWERS"?

Seriously, pull your ****ing head out of your ass! I seriously can't be any more clear than this.

If anyone's been to hell and back, it's Samus when she went into Dark Aether.Yeah, with the Light suit that offers her COMPLETE PROTECTION from that planet's hellish atmosphere. Some hell for her. :rolleyes:

No, but she could. She usually goes to their aid. Have you seen the Federation soldiers from MP Echoes or Hunters? There's an uncanny resemblence to Master Chief; a tongue-in-cheek way of saying Master Chief and his soldiers couldn't cut it in the Metroid universe. Shut your trap before any more of MC's bodily fluid comes oozing out.The Galactic Federation sought hired help from bounty hunters with their "Space Hunter" program after getting their butts collectively kicked by the Space Pirates. Yeah sure, THEY will come and help Samus when they couldn't even help themselves.

L.O.L.

:whatever:

Or, you could just learn to read. You said Samus, with her missles and power bombs, woud be a walk in the park for MC. I'm saying she wouldn't be a walk in the park because of her missles and power bombs. I know you're in first grade, so I won't hold your lack of reading comprehension against you.How the **** can Samus be NOT a walk in the park for the Chief when she has nowhere near the durability nor the firepower of a Covenant Assault Carrier which the Chief took out in mere seconds? Go back and read it again, you dimwitted tool. God I can't believe I'm explaining this for the SECOND TIME.

:rolleyes: x 100000000000000000000000000000000

Again, YOU'D HAVE TO PLAY THE ****ING GAME! The full description is in the her logbook.No, they aren't. Either tell me in detail when and where and in which of the dozens of Metroid games this "description" is found for me to verify it myself, because from what I've played there is nothing to suggest anything of the sort, or else, concede the fact that you're exaggerating and blowing **** out of proportion and STFU already.

I'm not asking you to write passages from the books proving MC's speed am I?You can ask them and I will. Plus there's tons of other sources like Wiki, Bungie's official website, Bungie.org and countless other unofficial websites where you'll find detailed and consistent information about everything concerning the Halo universe. I dare you to ask me for proof. Go ahead. I've got them all bookmarked just in case. Ready to be slapped in your face. I don't make **** up like insecure Nintendo fanboys to help my favorite character win some popularity contest. What I say can be backed by credible and verifiable sources.

Okay, fine by me, sh**face. So long as you admit a rocket wouldn't take out Samus' screw attack.What part of "breaking trajectory" DIDN'T you understand, you sack of toxic feces?

All MC can do his hide and dieYeah, that's probably why YOU brought up Samus' "evasion" skills. LOL. Way to shoot yourself in the foot there, monkey-boy.

He couldn't do that against the light or plasma beam. Or better yet: the Omega Canon, which I guarantee you can blast apart MC's armor, just as it did to Gorea's impenatrable armor in MP Hunters. If MC's anywhere in the line of sight of the canon's impact, he's instantly dead.Unfortunately for you, the Omega Cannon is slower than a tortoise to ever land a direct hit on him. Plus, if such a situation were to arise, well, that's what the Chief's invincible shield bomb is for.

Again: Omega Canon. Or even the Hyper Beam from Super Metroid. It could pass through anything, even walls.Again, invincible shield bomb.

MC would be just another alien scum to Samus, who also regularly commits genocide with alien species.Unfortunately, dumbasses like you didn't even realize the fact that Master Chief is NOT an alien, so Samus' alien genocides would do little to help her in a fight with the Chief, which is very much guaranteed to result in her humiliating demise.

Oh snap! I win! Her Hyper Beam passes through matter! Ha, ha!; you admit it! You're my b**ch now!Uhh, no. Her Hyper Beam passes through walls and enemies, not matter. Walls are destructible. Master Chief's new shield is indestructible. Watching you trumpet horns of victory is like seeing an overexcited idiot firing shots into the air in celebration only to trip and blow his own head off. :D

How about you pull that MC helmet out of your anal cavity because she's works for the Federation, beeyotch.Uhh, she's not a member of the Federation, you degenerate-load-that-should-have-been-swallowed-by-his-mother. She is a bounty hunter HIRED by the Federation. The Federation doesn't owe her anything other than the bounty she will be offered for her services. Seriously, do you even know the Metroid universe as well as you claim to?

First of all, Phazon mode refers to her Phazon suit you analy-bred sh**face. Second, I never agreed that it made enemies explode. Go ahead, keep trying; you'll get out of first grade someday.No? You defended TheGrayGhost's asinine comments about the Phazon suit and it being able to make MC "explode", remember asswipe? Who needs to go back to first grade now, junior?

Really? Because I've seen more support for Samus than MC in this thread.Yeah, support in the form of one-word sentences like "Samus FTW" :rolleyes: without any tangible arguments. Besides, all of the arguments in her favor have already been refuted countless number of times.

Heck, even check the poll.And since when were poll an accurate indicator of factual truth? They're just a measure of popularity.

I'll make you a deal: I'll watch it when you play the other Metroid games and know what the f*** your talking about.Judging from the responses in this very post, I may as well know more about Metroid than you do, while so far, you have proved without a doubt that like TheGrayGhost, you don't know dick about Halo. Both of you should be at home giving each other handjobs instead of posting your braindead, pigheaded filth here and wasting forum space.

But I have too much to live for now that you're my b**ch. And as my b**ch, I order you to eat sh** and die. :)http://files.photojerk.com/Killphaser/orly.jpg

[Fenrir]

Thank you.

And a warning goes out to Fenrir as well.

If you look back a page or two, you can see that everything was cooler and civil until Johnny DC started spewing his childish insults. I am only responding in kind. I make it a personal policy not to resort to name-calling without being insulted first.

Lets take everything down a notch, shall we, please?

Oh and just so you know, I was in the process of writing my last post when you issued me this warning, and as such, was unaware of it at the time. So it doesn't count. I'll be civil henceforth, no problem, but I'll still take an eye for an eye if insulted again.

[Kung Fu master]

A great quote:

"Fighting on-line is like competing in the special olympics -- even if you win, you're still retarded."

:rolleyes:

[HAL 9000]

If you look back a page or two, you can see that everything was cooler and civil until Johnny DC started spewing his childish insults. I am only responding in kind. I make it a personal policy not to resort to name-calling without being insulted first.



Oh and just so you know, I was in the process of writing my last post when you issued me this warning, and as such, was unaware of it at the time. So it doesn't count. I'll be civil henceforth, no problem, but I'll still take an eye for an eye if insulted again.

Actually...

Bungie does. And that's all that matters. So quit acting like a self-deafened juvenile who can't drop the asinine notion of what he thinks, goes.

And if you're so ****ing dumb as to refer such a straightforward story as Halo's as "convoluted", it isn't our fault either...

Because they are part of the argument - they are officialsources of supplemental information for deeper insight into the Halo universe approved by Bungie and are in continuity. I don't know why that is so difficult for your little peanut brain to grasp.

If you're only considering events that in the realm of possibility in the game, then why the **** are you arguing in favor of Samus, you little hypocrite? ...

Varia suit? It has nothing special. Besides, isn't it only the first basic upgrade to the stripped down suit she starts in MP? What's so "incredibly, incredibly, incredibly, incredibly" powerful about it, chump?

...Only a retard-by-choice would dismiss them as not being a genuine and valid part of the Halo universe.


I'll be here chummy. Be sure to come back when you grow a spine and another half of the brain that you're currently lacking.

Great, and here you were arguing with me for the last two pages about how Samus would supposedly "beat" the Chief without knowing dick about the Chief's capabilities? It took you that long to realize your dumbfounded ignorance? :dry:

With your incessant white-washing of these forums with Nintendo-cum, one wouldn't have a huge problem harboring such notions about you, regardless of how exaggerated they might be. :o

Yes, if you're a frickin' 12 year old. And since you seem to be more no more older than that age yourself, I wouldn't exactly have to take into consideration what you define as "old", junior.


Stop making retarded and exaggerated statements about Samus' abilities and grow a ****ing brain for a second. :up:


(thats the noise the shotgun makes that kill your brain cells and if any degree of logic was applied, this debate too)

I'd love to see the moron author of this post give me a detailed explanation as to how he arrived at that figure. :whatever:

Really? When and where in the entire Metroid universe is it ever stated that Samus is "immune to being run over" by vehicles? What you're typing here is the verbal equivalent of feces, junior.

Then please, instead of blurting out empty words like a helpless incompetent, pull arguments from those very games and use them to refute my points. Otherwise, don't waste my time with petty "go play this" "check that out" gibberish.

...it looks like you were the first to started spewing childish insults. :down

[HAL 9000]

Metroid vs. Halo Game Trailer (http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=36051)

[Zenien]

It's what he does.

This battle isn't even funny though. Samus Aran super missiles Chief and he dies. That's pretty much the begining and end of it.

Really? Which manuals? I just checked my copies of MP 1 and 2 and it makes no such mention. Can you specify the name of the Metroid game the manual of which states the Chozo blood in Samus grants her superpowers like that Ki or whatever **** Johnny DC mentioned in his post? I can go to my local games superstore tomorrow morning (I also have to get a new controller for my 360 from there anyway) so that I can check it out first-hand. By the way here's what he said:

Hey I haven't read what Jonny DC said, But Samus spent her entire upbringing with the Chozo being trained as a Warrior and was infused with Chozo blood. I believe it's mentioned on Page 8 of the Prime Manual, you conveniently seem to be 'forgetting' about it. You can also, y'know, actually play Fusion to get more exposition about everything. But would that be asking too much I wonder.

http://media.nintendo.com/mediaFiles/74837dbe-88e4-4f76-a8f7-c4e81eeaa51b.pdf

The book also mentions that the suit itself augments her strength. Though without feats it's hard to substanciate the degree of which it does so.

And I was never argueing she could go toe to toe with the chief physically as you seem intent of trapping me into. Your arguement said that the only mention of the Chozo blood was in the Managa, which I said wasn't true.


If if this guy is making **** up, then please - elaborate on what EXACTLY are Samus' Chozo powers, according to you? With a verifiable source, of course. Until proven otherwiset, what I said about Samus' Chozo powers rivaling that of the Chief's genetic enhancements in a battle being a B.S claim still stands.

Though as far as the manga being cannon reference, I believe that the Flashback in Metroid Zero Mission uses actual shots from the manga, or the actual artist rendering actual scenes from the manga, eitherway I'll double check that. I've never read the manga myself and I'm not JC, obviously.

What and how many contradictions are there? Can you please list them and explain the severity of said contradictions to completely dismiss them as official Halo canon regardless of the fact that Bungie endorses the novels as official supplements to the Halo universe in spite of this? Whatever the creators of the game say, goes. No way around it and the fact remains Bungie acknowledges the Halo novels and so must you.

His abilities in the books are generally orders of magnitude greater, to such a degree that it's contradictory to say that the books are straight cannon because Master Chief then would control much closer to say the main character is Crysis where that the case. Those are the abilities that the chief has accodring to the books, and nowhere in the games do they have him running anywhere as fast as the book states even when he specifically would have attempted to do so in Halo 2 after killing the prophet. This goes beyond simple game design, not even his actions in cutscnes make sense if he's as godlike as the books write him to be.

Hence the book contradict the games and you have to go with the games.


Then the other is a result of gameplay design which, according to your logic, would be just as inadmissible as the controller limitation

Actually no I think I specifically said they wouldn't be equally inadmissable. You can't add buttons the way you can add a feature in your game.

And we can clearly see Samus looking up while moving in the games cutscenes, and in every 2D metroid game out there.

as they're complimentary concepts not necessarily restricted by the storyline


(just like how in the MGS games Snake can jump 6 feet in the air, backflip over a missile and shoot a stinger even though in the actual game itself he can't do jack **** )

Except twin Snakes is a remake done by another company and team who wanted t holiwood up MGS. It's not really cannon as much as its reinterpretation.


because the Master Chief, as he's written in the novels would be practically invincible and that wouldn't make for a very interesting game.

So you admit there's a gross dicontinuity between his abilities in the books and the games. Good.

Plus, the game barely makes any mention of the Master Chief's abilities or the capabilities of his suit so the only official source of information in this matter is the novels.

The games themselves serve as a far better relative example of his abilities and the capabilities of the suit.

And any inconsistencies between the novel and the actual gameplay in this regard can be chalked up to game design to make it playable.

Not really, when you see a character in Crysis doing things to the degree that the chief can do in the books it's not really excusable. If the chief really had abilities like the books they would have been represented in Halo 1. To some degree.

LOL, if Samus can figure out Ridley's glaring weakpoint and take him down, there's nothing to suggest the Chief can't as well.

I really doubt that the majority of weapons at the chiefs desposal could harm Riddly.

And he can also avoid Ridley's bombing runs and physical attacks with relative ease. At best, Ridley's nothing more than just another alien scum (albeit one that is bigger and can fly) for the Chief to take down.

You're selling Riddly Short. The best Master Chief could hope for would be to get his hands on a vehicle which would be obliterated. Or try and beat Riddly using a Rocket Launcher. COnsidering the Chief can be downed by one shotgun blast from a conventional projectile based shotgun, I'm guessing the barage of Heat Seeking Missiles would be hard for him to deal with.

Just because the Chief hasn't faced such a foe before doesn't mean he can't, especially considering his abilities and formidable prowess in combat.

Yeah ok.

Alright I'm just going to ask, have you actually played the Metroid games, do you know the type of weapons she gets? Did you play Fushion? Do you realize how stupidly powerful she is at that point in time?

Isn't that the point of bringing it up in the first place? And since you admit the "superior" technology of her suit can't protect her from the Chief's ballistic weapons, why even bother continuing this part of the argument?

Because unlike the chief, Samus Aran has as suit that is MUCH more durable, has access to weapons that are much more deadly and she is much more agile then Master Chief. 1 Super Missile would be all it took, not even counting things like the wave beam.

Basically if it came to close quarters I think she'd be in trouble, but she's agile enough and have such vertical mobility that it wouldn't be a problem, and with a compliment of missiles or super missiles, the chief is in big trouble.



And since when have polls become the prophets of the "truth"? Because if they are, then you just might have to suck it up and admit FF12 is better than Oblivion and that Gears of War is the best game of 2006.

I only said this one reflects the truth, which is does.

Apparently it seems we're living in a world where there are still helpless, ill-informed souls that actually think poll numbers are indicative of factual truth. I pity the fools trapped in such naivety. :dry:

Hey I just said in this case the polls were reflective of the truth, and it makes Halo fanboys livid.

[Fenrir]

Actually...

...it looks like you were the first to started spewing childish insults. :down

OK, you're right. My sincerest apologies to all those whom I insulted without being insulted by them first.

[Fenrir]

It's what he does. This battle isn't even funny though. Samus Aran super missiles Chief and he dies. That's pretty much the begining and end of it.

With the Halo 3 shield bomb and the shields in his own suit, I'm afraid that's quite a bit impossible.

Hey I haven't read what Jonny DC said, But Samus spent her entire upbringing with the Chozo being trained as a Warrior and was infused with Chozo blood. I believe it's mentioned on Page 8 of the Prime Manual, you conveniently seem to be 'forgetting' about it. You can also, y'know, actually play Fusion to get more exposition about everything. But would that be asking too much I wonder.

http://media.nintendo.com/mediaFiles/74837dbe-88e4-4f76-a8f7-c4e81eeaa51b.pdf

The book also mentions that the suit itself augments her strength. Though without feats it's hard to substanciate the degree of which it does so.

I never denied Samus having Chozo blood. Read these quotes of mine once more, and then try again:

Credible source of that claim please. I've been hearing so much about the "superpower" effects about the Chozo blood that it reeks of B.S. As far as I know, the Chozo blood Samus was infused with was to make her resistant to the Chozo planet's harsh environment. Nowhere did I hear it grants her any kind of superhuman strength, reflex or agility or that "Ki" crap. And if you want to prove I am wrong, bring me a valid and verifiable source.

Can you specify the name of the Metroid game the manual of which states the Chozo blood in Samus grants her superpowers like that Ki or whatever **** Johnny DC mentioned in his post?

Now do you understand what I'm asking for?

And I was never argueing she could go toe to toe with the chief physically as you seem intent of trapping me into. Your arguement said that the only mention of the Chozo blood was in the Managa, which I said wasn't true.

No, I said that if the mention of the "Ki spiritual attack power thingmajig" that Johnny DC mentioned being in the Manga is admissible, then why aren't the novels?

His abilities in the books are generally orders of magnitude greater, to such a degree that it's contradictory to say that the books are straight cannon because Master Chief then would control much closer to say the main character is Crysis where that the case. Those are the abilities that the chief has accodring to the books, and nowhere in the games do they have him running anywhere as fast as the book states even when he specifically would have attempted to do so in Halo 2 after killing the prophet. This goes beyond simple game design, not even his actions in cutscnes make sense if he's as godlike as the books write him to be.

Again, I asked you to pinpoint SPECIFIC instances from the novels and how they are contradictory to what is shown in the game instead of making vague, general statements. As for the the scene in question in Halo 2, as far as I recall it had a very distinct slow-motion like effect to it, like we always see in the movies before. And even if it isn't, the cinematics in Halo always had a very down-to-earth feel to them. They don't have eye-catching animations or stuff like that, since Bungie doesn't use mo-cap and only relies on hand-drawn animations. It's a technological limitation. But as you can see, he runs pretty fast in the Halo 3 TV spot, so there's a small reference for you.

Hence the book contradict the games and you have to go with the games.

No, it doesn't. And you have yet to back that baseless claim.

Actually no I think I specifically said they wouldn't be equally inadmissable. You can't add buttons the way you can add a feature in your game.

Yes they are equally admissible, as adding features are dependent upon strength of the hardware and developers primarily focus on features that have an impact on gameplay rather than just being a cool aesthetic in cutscenes. And like I said, the Chief as he is written in the novel would make the game tremendously boring. They have to give him a degree of vulnerability to make the game playable and to give the player a challenge. But it really has no impact on his abilities in terms of the story itself.

And we can clearly see Samus looking up while moving in the games cutscenes, and in every 2D metroid game out there.

I don't have a problem with that. The only reason I brought it up in the first place was because posters keep bringing up gameplay limitations as an argument to highlight the Chief's handicap and I did the same to Samus. As long as you're willing to accept the Chief and his abilities as he's written in the novel, I have no problem dropping Samus' tank control argument. But really the novels are the only canonical account of his abilities and they are endorsed by Bungie as the official sources for the Chief's biography, there's no way you can argue around that. Any disparities between the game and the novel can simply be attributed to design limitations.

Except twin Snakes is a remake done by another company and team who wanted t holiwood up MGS. It's not really cannon as much as its reinterpretation.

OK, how about in MGS2 where he pulls off moves like bungie jumping and reverse somersaults from two floors up and lands on the ship deck without a problem yet in the game if he let's go of the ledge while hanging from a shorter height, he'll suffer damage? In the game Snake can't even aim while running. Does that mean he really can't?

So you admit there's a gross dicontinuity between his abilities in the books and the games. Good.

I acknowledged a single disparity between the games and the novels. Your "gross discontinuity" claim is still hanging without proof and is bunk until you concisely prove otherwise with SPECIFIC instances from the novel and the game and not vague, general statements.

The games themselves serve as a far better relative example of his abilities and the capabilities of the suit.

No they don't, because they never really touch on the subject. What you get from the game is not insightful information about the tech in the Chief's armor, but gameplay mechanics. What developers do is condense and compress his written abilities to fit within the framework of the game design, not the other way around. The same holds true in the case of Snake as well.

Not really, when you see a character in Crysis doing things to the degree that the chief can do in the books it's not really excusable.

You don't think technological advancements had anything to do with the fact that the Crysis character can do all those things that weren't possibly before in any game like it?

If the chief really had abilities like the books they would have been represented in Halo 1. To some degree.

They did. Like flipping over a tank, his leadership skills, the fact that he can improvise and use almost each and every single weapon and vehicle, enemy or friendly, in the battlefield instantly, and one of the features cut from Halo 2 - a sprint move that allowed him to run at twice the speed with his weapon lowered...and you'll continue to see his abilities in the game as long as they are relevant within the design of the game itself. Again, the Halo 3 TV spot is a very good example of how we got to see the Chief in a slightly different, more supercharged way than how we saw him in the games. I can't see why anyone would need so much explaination on this. Simple fact: Bungie says the Halo novels are official Halo material. That means they are official Halo material and being as such, they are admissible. Period.

I really doubt that the majority of weapons at the chiefs desposal could harm Riddly.

Please, don't start with this crap. Ridley is hardly anything more than your regular souped up alien boss.

You're selling Riddly Short. The best Master Chief could hope for would be to get his hands on a vehicle which would be obliterated. Or try and beat Riddly using a Rocket Launcher.

Rocket launcher. Plasma Cannon. Spartan Laser. So many ways to kill. One little alien.

COnsidering the Chief can be downed by one shotgun blast from a conventional projectile based shotgun, I'm guessing the barage of Heat Seeking Missiles would be hard for him to deal with.

Barrage of heat seeking missile can be stopped with a simple shield bomb (from the Halo 3 trailer) without taking any damage whatsoever. Problem solved.

Yeah ok.

Alright I'm just going to ask, have you actually played the Metroid games, do you know the type of weapons she gets? Did you play Fushion? Do you realize how stupidly powerful she is at that point in time?

Instead of endlessly throwing the same old tiresome banter "did you play that game" "why do you go and play that" on and on, why not actually get off your lazy ass for a second and TELL ME for a change. It's obvious you think I don't know, hence the provocation for me to go play "x" game and threatening me with "how stupidly powerful she is". Just ****ing tell me exactly how "stupidly powerful she is" and let it be over with! Really, it's such a pathetic and lame copout, it's the first thing everyone and anyone says when they don't know what and how to answer with a precise and concise argument. :down:

Because unlike the chief, Samus Aran has as suit that is MUCH more durable, has access to weapons that are much more deadly and she is much more agile then Master Chief. 1 Super Missile would be all it took, not even counting things like the wave beam.

Don't make me repeat myself. I've been addressing that crap since the last three pages now. Go read that. And instead of repeating the same ol' like a broken record, why not pinpoint what's wrong with my rebuttals to those points? This way we can avoid the aggravating circular arguments like "Master Chief can kill Samus" "Nuh-uh, Samus would kill the Chief" "No, no, Master Chief will ass-rape Samus" "you're wrong, she will blow a hole through him" and on and on.

Basically if it came to close quarters I think she'd be in trouble, but she's agile enough and have such vertical mobility that it wouldn't be a problem, and with a compliment of missiles or super missiles, the chief is in big trouble.

No he isn't. Because for the last three pages I've been explaining how we would kill Samus under those very circumstances. Her super-missiles don't have rapid-fire and there's no guarantee she will even kill him if he's at full shields and the slightest opening is enough for him to close the gap and end it, especially with a leaping Plasma Sword that ignores the targets' defenses. She may be agile, but the Chief's no slouch either, and every moment Samus spends evading the Chief only helps him completely replenish the damage he has sustained while her energy tanks fall through at a brisk pace. At close range, this battle is the Chief's no matter what. At long range, the Chief simply has to engage in calculated warfare by carefully damaging Samus' suit without getting hit much himself, not a big deal for him since unlike Samus, he does that while dealing with dozens of foes at once. Eventually she'll bite the nail in the coffin.

I only said this one reflects the truth, which is does. Hey I just said in this case the polls were reflective of the truth, and it makes Halo fanboys livid.

Well in that case, you're pitifully wrong.

[gildea]

Instead of endlessly throwing the same old tiresome banter "did you play that game" "why do you go and play that" on and on, why not actually get off your lazy ass for a second and TELL ME for a change.


She did and people have alway the way through hence the frustration.

You just seem intent on ignoring it or claiming you've already dealt with it (when really all you do is dismiss)



As I said at the very start halo fans are scary.

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She did and people have alway the way through hence the frustration.

You just seem intent on ignoring it or claiming you've already dealt with it (when really all you do is dismiss)



As I said at the very start halo fans are scary.

Actually, she's really disproven/discussed a whole lot of nothing. She keeps avoiding taking anything that has been said for the past two pages like it never existed.

Really now, I've been asking for why Samus is more agile than MC for about 3 posts now. I have yet to receive one answer besides the same thing I was replying to 3 posts ago. "Well.. Samus is alot more agile than the Chief!".

If you say so, buddy.

[Zenien]

With the Halo 3 shield bomb and the shields in his own suit, I'm afraid that's quite a bit impossible.

So he has at most four of them versus the 250 regular missiles and however many dozen Super Missiles that Samus has. Well that's just peachy.

No, I said that if the mention of the "Ki spiritual attack power thingmajig" that Johnny DC mentioned being in the Manga is admissible, then why aren't the novels?

I didn't say it was. I said I don't know anything about the Mangas' or how official they are and I'm looking into them.

Again, I asked you to pinpoint SPECIFIC instances from the novels and how they are contradictory to what is shown in the game instead of making vague, general statements. As for the the scene in question in Halo 2, as far as I recall it had a very distinct slow-motion like effect to it,

Not it didn't. He was certainly running at full tilt and he was certainly not running above that of a marathon runner like the books say he is capable of.

And even if it isn't, the cinematics in Halo always had a very down-to-earth feel to them.

A bit of a disconnect between that and the books, certainly. Though the books try to maintain a down to earth feel we don't see the chief knocking away a missile.

They don't have eye-catching animations or stuff like that, since Bungie doesn't use mo-cap and only relies on hand-drawn animations. It's a technological limitation.

So you're saying the reason we don't see Chief in game matching up to how he's portrayed in the books is because they don't use motion capturing and it's a technological limitation.

Not only does what you just describe make no sense whatsoever; you cite a game that uses over the top cinematics’ i(Twin Snakes) earlier in your posts and that game in particular didn't use motion capturing at all.
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But as you can see, he runs pretty fast in the Halo 3 TV spot, so there's a small reference for you.

He dashes pretty fast in that instance but nowhere near the 50-70 kph mark, not that he would need to in that situation so it's a bit moot.

Yes they are equally admissible, as adding features are dependent upon strength of the hardware and developers primarily focus on features that have an impact on gameplay rather than just being a cool aesthetic in cutscenes.

No they aren't because you can't program in another button as you would a feature. That being said, yes developers while always make game design decisions to ensure playability BUT, that certainly doesn't stop them from being true to the characters actual abilities or from displaying them in cut scenes.


And like I said, the Chief as he is written in the novel would make the game tremendously boring. They have to give him a degree of vulnerability to make the game playable and to give the player a challenge. But it really has no impact on his abilities in terms of the story itself.

But they should show the depth of his abilities in cut scenes more so if they are present. Something like Single shooting with the AR wouldn't be hard to do in game at all.

I don't have a problem with that. The only reason I brought it up in the first place was because posters keep bringing up gameplay limitations as an argument to highlight the Chief's handicap and I did the same to Samus. As long as you're willing to accept the Chief and his abilities as he's written in the novel, I have no problem dropping Samus' tank control argument. But really the novels are the only canonical account of his abilities and they are endorsed by Bungie as the official sources for the Chief's biography, there's no way you can argue around that. Any disparities between the game and the novel can simply be attributed to design limitations.

Fair enough. Even if we say that the books are cannon, Samus is still probably walking away with this one the majority of the time.

OK, how about in MGS2 where he pulls off moves like bungie jumping and reverse somersaults from two floors up and lands on the ship deck without a problem yet in the game if he let's go of the ledge while hanging from a shorter height, he'll suffer damage? In the game Snake can't even aim while running. Does that mean he really can't?

I acknowledged a single disparity between the games and the novels. Your "gross discontinuity" claim is still hanging without proof and is bunk until you concisely prove otherwise with SPECIFIC instances from the novel and the game and not vague, general statements.

Well you actually said that if the Chief was as powerful as he's made out to be in the books that the game would be boring because he would be unstoppable.

No they don't, because they never really touch on the subject. What you get from the game is not insightful information about the tech in the Chief's armor, but gameplay mechanics. What developers do is condense and compress his written abilities to fit within the framework of the game design, not the other way around. The same holds true in the case of Snake as well.

I accept that, the later part.


You don't think technological advancements had anything to do with the fact that the Crysis character can do all those things that weren't possibly before in any game like it?

Far Cry was possible on the Xbox, heck Crysis could be done on virtualy any 3D platform with a (Minor <-> MAJOR) hit to graphical fidelity. So that point is totally invalid.

They did. Like flipping over a tank, his leadership skills, the fact that he can improvise and use almost each and every single weapon and vehicle, enemy or friendly, in the battlefield instantly, and one of the features cut from Halo 2 - a sprint move that allowed him to run at twice the speed with his weapon lowered...

Sounds like the run move in Killzone, though I can see why it was cut. I understand they definitely show his strength with him board a tank and punching in the manhole or whatever. I agree with you about that. But I disagree with the other aspects.

and you'll continue to see his abilities in the game as long as they are relevant within the design of the game itself. Again, the Halo 3 TV spot is a very good example of how we got to see the Chief in a slightly different, more supercharged way than how we saw him in the games. I can't see why anyone would need so much explaination on this. Simple fact: Bungie says the Halo novels are official Halo material. That means they are official Halo material and being as such, they are admissible. Period.

Y'know what, fine. You've changed my mind to a certain extent. But Samus is still walking away with this fight the majority of the time. The feats in the books are still overblown to a point where it doesn't make sense not to have those abilities in the game, but I always acknowledged that he's more capable then the game design allows him to be.

Please, don't start with this crap. Ridley is hardly anything more than your regular souped up alien boss.

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Rocket launcher. Plasma Cannon. Spartan Laser. So many ways to kill. One little alien

Spartan Laser is only in multiplayer if memory serves. Ridley is hardly one little alien; especially considering Ridleys fire power. Do you really think a Plasma cannon would be left operational long enough to do any significant damage to him? Rocket Launcher... well you'd need a hell of a lot of rockets considering the pounding Ridley can soak up.

Barrage of heat seeking missile can be stopped with a simple shield bomb (from the Halo 3 trailer) without taking any damage whatsoever. Problem solved.

Yes and I'm sure the endless supply of them, and his breath weapon, isn't going to be a problem at all.

Don't make me repeat myself. I've been addressing that crap since the last three pages now. Go read that. And instead of repeating the same ol' like a broken record, why not pinpoint what's wrong with my rebuttals to those points? This way we can avoid the aggravating circular arguments like "Master Chief can kill Samus" "Nuh-uh, Samus would kill the Chief" "No, no, Master Chief will ass-rape Samus" "you're wrong, she will blow a hole through him" and on and on.

Ok, I will.

No he isn't. Because for the last three pages I've been explaining how we would kill Samus under those very circumstances.

Brace yourself.

Her super-missiles don't have rapid-fire and there's no guarantee she will even kill him if he's at full shields

Really? I'm willing to say that the firepower of one of her standard missiles’ might not kill the chief, but a super missile most definitely would. Count ‘em, 250 missiles’, dozens upon dozens of Super Missiles’.

One missile in Halo kills the chief almost 100 percent of the time; in fact 95 percent of the time. And you say that there's no guarantee.

and the slightest opening is enough for him to close the gap and end it

End it eh? Master Chief wants to try and close the gap I say he's welcome to it. You know why? The second he closes that gap? Super Bomb. The radius of that explosion would hit him and given his lack of durability, most likely kill him.

And y'know it's a lot harder to miss up close with the splash damage of a Super Missile, or the ice beam which would freeze Master Chief in place. Master Chief has never faced anyone as dangerous as Samus Aran, fact.

Plasma Sword

Call me crazy but given how Samus has taken countless hits from things like Metroid Prime, Ridley, Krat, and that the Sword works on the comparatively much weaker people in Halo, It's by no means a certain thing that the Plasma Sword would kill Samus.

She may be agile, but the Chief's no slouch either

The difference is she's in a suit that's practically weightless to her. She has much greater mobility because of the boost boots and screw attack and her grapple beam. She could literally move around any given area much faster then the chief could hope to and stay out of his reach with relative ease. And despite his strength, we know Samus isn't weak either, but engaging Chief in melee would be stupid, she wouldn't need to.

and every moment Samus spends evading the Chief only helps him completely replenish the damage he has sustained while her energy tanks fall through at a brisk pace.

Ignoring for a moment that with Samus it's perfectly possible to evade and attack at the same time.

At close range, this battle is the Chief's no matter what.

I really disagree. Especially considering the amount of danger he would be in and close range.

At long range, the Chief simply has to engage in calculated warfare by carefully damaging Samus' suit without getting hit much himself

It would be that simple would it? He "simply has to engage in calculated Warfare by carefully damaging Samus' suit without getting hit much himself". Now I'm assuming that you're taking Master Chief military background into consideration in this. Tactics are one thing he's very good at yes.

But you're selling Samus Aran... far... short. Because if you honestly believe that she might not have a tactical ability herself, then you are woefully misguided.

Master Chief isn't the only one with a military background. From Childhood Samus was trained by the Chozo to be a Warrior. Consider that for a moment when you're ignoring the merit of her battle instinct. After she left the Chozo she joined the Galactic Federation Military. So please, on the basis of background credentials alone, try to remember who you're talking about.

And if the Chief wants to play hit and run, he's very quickly going to realize he has no place to hide. X-Ray visor will show Samus where he is at all times, and the Wave Beam passes through matter. You do the math. And for reference we're talking about a weapon that has practically the same vertical area of coverage that Samus is tall.

not a big deal for him since unlike Samus, he does that while dealing with dozens of foes at once. Eventually she'll bite the nail in the coffin.

"Unlike Samus"

The Master Chief has destroyed Halo along side a relatively decent Terran military presence. Samus Aran destroys entire Planets and commits genocide to Alien species all by herself. She fends off Space Pirates who are an Alien species that have been augmenting themselves using biochemistry, DNA splicing and Bio-technological enhancements for generations.

Master Chief has notches on his belt for whatever, Samus Aran has entire planets and species on her belt, and entirely single handedly.

Think about that for a second, she goes in by herself and you claim she has no experience in engaging multiple enemies at once. What part of she was trained practically from birth to be a warrior and has served years in the Galactic Federation Military and is the most feared Bounty Hunter in her Galaxy don't you understand.

Well in that case, you're pitifully wrong.

Somehow I don't think so. You know why most people think Samus would win? Because she freaking would. She would take Master Chief down the majority of the time and nothing you say changes that.

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And given that he at most has four of them versus the 250 regular missiles, and however many dozen Super Missiles that Samus has, well that's just peachy.

Considering that the he CAN dodge shots from the rocket launcher in the game and the fact that those missiles don't go faster, if they even goes as fast as, those rockets.. there's always the chance that he will dodge them.


He was certainly running at full tilt and he was certainly not running above that of a marathon runner like the books say he is capable of.

How do you know he was running at full tilt? And even then, he was running very fast, there's just not much to use as a marker to determine exactly how fast he's going because he's in the middle of.. well, a f-ing desert.


A bit of a disconect between that and the books, certainly. THough the books try to maintain a down to earth feel we don't see the chief knocking away a misile.

He doesn't have to. There's such a thing as dodging and jumping out of the way of. :huh:

No they aren't because you can't program in another button as you would a feature. That being said, yes developers while always make game design decisions to ensure playability, BUT, that certainly doesn't stop them from being true to the characters actual abilities or from displaying them in cutscenes.

Considering that there are very few cutscenes in the 'Halo' games that require the use of any augmented abilities of his, this point is kind of moot. In the Halo games, you fight your battles in real time, not in cutscenes. Aside from that, you don't really need to display them when there's no reason to. People already realize he's a super-solider from in-game elements as it is.

But they should show the depth of his abilities in cutscenes more so if they are present. Something like Single shotting with the AR wouldn't be hard to do in game at all.

But the fact that Bungie is making a FPS where they want people to be immersed in gameplay and not taken out of the game for a pointless cutscene where you kick the crap out of someone sort of makes this moot. They'd rather you do that yourself in the game.

Fair enough. Even if we say that the books are cannon in all aspects. Samus is still probably walking away with this one the majority of the time.

Except there is no evidence to which you can say that Samus would definitely be walking away with this. It's a giant question mark, you can't say a giant question mark plays in the favor of any one character.


Well you actually said that if the Chief was as powerful as he's made in the books that the game would be boring because he would be unstopable.


Which is true. This is a FPS, making people so powerful that they can basically go unchallenged by half of the opponents you face would make for a boring game.

Far Cry was possible on the Xbox, heck it crysis could be done on virtuall any 3D platform with a hit to marginal to outright major graphical fidelity. So that point it totally invalid.

This has me confused. Maybe you should rephrase it a bit.

But Samus is still walking away with this fight the majority of the time. The feats in the books are still overblown to a point where it doesn't make sense not to have those abilities in the game, but I always acknowledged that he's more capable then the game design allows him to be.

Which you have no evidence to prove. This is a bunch of fanboy banter, for you it seems like Samus is the highest common denominator. For us, it's the Chief. Seeing as these characters don't face any of the opponents that each other face in their respective games, it's hard to say WHO has the more challenging enemies.

Spartan Laser is only in multiplayer if memory serves. Ridley is hardly one little alien. Especially considering Ridleys fire power. Do you really think a Plasma cannon would be left operation long enough to do any significant damage? Rocket Launcher... well you'd need a hell ofa lot of rockets considering the pounding Ridley can soak up.

The Spartan Laser isn't only in multiplayer, I'm pretty sure. And how would the Plasma Cannon not be operational? Is there some way that Ridley could magically tap into Covenant technology and make it dysfunctional?

:huh:

Really? I'm willing to say that the firepower of one of her standard misiles might not kill the chief, but a super misile most definetly would. Count em, 250 misiles, dozens upon dozens of Super Misiles. 1 missile in Halo kills the chief almost 100 percent of the time. In fact 95 percent of the time. And you say that there's no garantee.

How can you say a super missile definitely would kill him when you've never seen Master Chief hit by a super missile? And yes, one missile does kill MC alot of the time, when you're playing Hard or Legendary. I've been hit by a missile on normal and have lived about 50% of the time.

End it eh? Master Chief wants to try and close the gap I saw he's welcome to it. You know why? The second he closes that gap? Super Bomb, the radius of the explosion would hit him and given his lack of durability, most likely kill him.

It would probably kill her as well, if it could just easily do away with him. :huh:

And y'know it's a lot harder to miss up close with the splash damage of a Super Misile, or the ice beam which would freeze Master Chief in place. Master Chief has never faced anyone as dangerous as Samus Aran, fact.

The ice missile couldn't freeze Master Chief in place as long as his shields are still activated. The shields protect him from environmental as well as ballistic damage, this is why super-heated Plasma doesn't damage him when it hits his shield. And you can't really freeze a shield.


Call me crazy but given how Samus has taken countless hits from things like Metroid Prime, Ridley, Krat, and that the Sword works on the comparatively much weaker people in Halo. It's by no means a certain thing that the Plasma Sword would kill Samus.

Comparitively much weaker people? You can slaughter Brutes, Elites, and Hunters (if you manage to be lucky enough to strike a weak spot) with the energy sword. It's a blade of pure plasma, it's not like it's going to hit Samus' armour and just repel. It's going to go straight through it.

The difference is she's in a suit that's practically weightless to her. She has much greater mobility because of the boost boots and screw atack and her grapple beam. She could literaly move around any given area much faster then the chief could hope to and stay out of his reach with relative ease. And despite his strength, we know Samus isn't weak either, but engaging Chief in melee would be stupid, she wouldn't need to.

His suit is also practically weightless to him, it actually adds to his abilities because it has a hydraulic system in it that allows him to move it as easily as if he was wearing a shirt and some shorts. And all of that is conjecture. She doesn't have to be in his reach for him to take advantage of the environment and his surroundings to damage her for him. Remember, he's a tactical mastermind.. he can literally exploit any situation to his advantage.

Not to mention that you act like he's slow. He's really not. He doesn't need to be as fast as Samus with her "boost boots" as long as he can find a way to cut the distance.

I really disagree. Especially considering the amount of danger he would be in and close range.

She would also be in a huge amount of danger at close range. Your point? :huh:




It would be that simple would it? He "simply has to engage in calculated Warfare by carefully damaging Samus' suit without getting hit much himself". Now I'm assuming that you're taking Master Chief military background into consideration in this. Tactics are one thing he's very good at yes.

But you're selling Samus Aran... far... short. Because if you honestly believe that she might not have a tactical ability herself, then you are whoefully misguided.


She isn't totally handicapped, but she doesn't have the credentials of the Master Chief. At least from what I've seen and heard. He was also trained from childhood to be a warrior, but not only a warrior but a tactician. He was trained to be everything in one, a grunt, a general, a master of improvisation, you name it he does it. Not to mention that he has an AI that constantly feeds information to him. [Cortana isn't the only AI, by the way]

And if the Chief wants to play hit and run, he's very quickly going to realzie he has no place to hide. X-Ray visor will show Samus where he is at all times, and the Wave Beam passes through matter. You do the math. And for reference we're talking about a weapon that has practically the same vertical area of coverage that Samus is tall.

Yes, but unfortunately a shield bomb is not "matter", per se.

The Master Chief has destroyed Halo along side a relatively decent Terran military presence. Samus Aran destroys entire Planets and commits genocide Alien species all by herself. She fends off Space Pirates who area an Alien species that have been augmenting themselves using biochemistry, DNA splicing and Bio-technological enhancements for generations.

Considering that he has also taken out High Charity with no help from his "terran military presence", that leaves your argument null and void. He also had to fight through the Library with only.. no one? Basically in both of the Halos, you are alone with nobody or just a handful of people to back you up for most the game. The military presence really doesn't help him aside from getting him from A to B.

Also, unfortunately the Covenant don't need to use DNA splicing considering that they are already many, many times stronger than regular humans. About bio-technology.. look no further than Hunters. The plasma cannons they use are practically parts of their arms.

Master Chief has notches on his belt for whatever, Samus Aran has entire planets and species on her belt, and entirely single handedly.

He's killed thousands of aliens. That is hardly just a few "notches" on his belt.

Think about that for a second, she goes in by herself and you claim she has no experience in engaging multiple enemies at once. What part of she was trained practically from birth to be a warrior and has served years in the Galactic Federation Military and if the most feared Bounty hunter in her Gaalxy don't you understand.

Well, considering that MC regularly has to face dozens of aliens, all at once.. and Samus has a face a handful at most.. that's what he means. He engages a few times more enemies at once than Samus usually does.

Somehow I don't think so. You know why most people think Samus would win? Because she freaking would. She would take Master Chief down the majority of the time and nothing you say changes that.

Once again, you're trying to use a ****ing forum poll of maybe, 100 people to validate your position. Please, take a poll of everyone in the US and I'm sure there would be many, many times more people saying that MC would kick Samus' ass. Does that make our way of thinking completely correct? No.

You still have produced no evidence to suggest that anything MC has taken on is weaker than what Samus has taken on, as well as that Samus could take him down the majority of the time. Simply because there is no evidence, both ways.

[TheGrayGhost]

Bravo, Zenien.

Once again, you're trying to use a ****ing forum poll of maybe, 100 people to validate your position. Please, take a poll of everyone in the US and I'm sure there would be many, many times more people saying that MC would kick Samus' ass. Does that make our way of thinking completely correct? No.


Not that it matters much, but most people don't know who Master Chief is in the first place. I myself didn't know until I played the game a few years ago. It will take several years before he's recognized at that level.

It would probably kill her as well, if it could just easily do away with him. :huh:

Judging from this, you haven't played a Metroid game in a while. Her weapons don't harm her.

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Bravo, Zenien.


Bravo for what, might I ask?


Not that it matters much, but most people don't know who Master Chief is in the first place. I myself didn't know until I played the game a few years ago. It will take several years before he's recognized at that level.

Even less people know who Samus is. Congratulations on that one! But I'm willing to bet that MC's fanbase in the US is something like.. ah hell, I don't know.. 2-3 times that of Samus'. So would a poll in America yield totally unbiased and well thought-out results? Who knows. Probably not.

Poll results are not a valid substitution for a good argument. Never, ever.

Judging from this, you haven't played a Metroid game in a while. Her weapons don't harm her.

Okay, then. How about this scenario, if he gets close enough for her to superbomb him he uses the time before it explodes to smash her head in? :o

[TheGrayGhost]

Even less people know who Samus is.

That's not true. There's actually a study that was conducted. I'll try to find the link. When those questioned were shown a picture of Samus, they answered that the figure was called Metroid. Although people didn't get the name right, the association was close enough. Less people could identify who or where MC was from.

Okay, then. How about this scenario, if he gets close enough for her to superbomb him he uses the time before it explodes to smash her head in? :o

"He uses the time before it explodes." Ok...

[Warhammer]

Samus beats down Master Chief, easily. :up:

[Fenrir]

So he has at most four of them versus the 250 regular missiles and however many dozen Super Missiles that Samus has. Well that's just peachy.

What, you think he'll just stand around there waiting like an idiot for Samus to empty her ammo stock? He'll use the shield like a defensive catapult that'll give him an opening to jump in for the kill.

I didn't say it was. I said I don't know anything about the Mangas' or how official they are and I'm looking into them.

You should have realized that earlier when you senselessly barged in to argue against a comment you didn't even comprehend to begin with.

Not it didn't. He was certainly running at full tilt and he was certainly not running above that of a marathon runner like the books say he is capable of.

Oh really? Then how come he runs much faster in the Halo 3 TV spot when as you claim, he was running at "full tilt"? :whatever:

A bit of a disconnect between that and the books, certainly. Though the books try to maintain a down to earth feel we don't see the chief knocking away a missile.

Even so, that doesn't give you the license to dismiss the books, especially when Bungie insists they are admissible. End of story. Your attempts at trying to do so only show how desperate you've become in defending Samus.

So you're saying the reason we don't see Chief in game matching up to how he's portrayed in the books is because they don't use motion capturing and it's a technological limitation.

Yes, that's why he runs much faster in the Halo 3 TV spot than he does in that Halo 2 cinematic. Get it, sweetie?

Not only does what you just describe make no sense whatsoever; you cite a game that uses over the top cinematics’ i(Twin Snakes) earlier in your posts and that game in particular didn't use motion capturing at all.

I've also given examples from MGS2, why didn't you take THOSE into account? Deliberately pretending to be blind, deaf and dumb isn't going to help here.

He dashes pretty fast in that instance but nowhere near the 50-70 kph mark, not that he would need to in that situation so it's a bit moot.

Actually, the Chief's pretty big so that means every step he takes actually covers more distance than that of a regular runner. So even at moderately fast speeds, he can easily cover more ground thereby giving him a higher kph count, so yes, he CAN run at that velocity.

No they aren't because you can't program in another button as you would a feature. That being said, yes developers while always make game design decisions to ensure playability BUT, that certainly doesn't stop them from being true to the characters actual abilities or from displaying them in cut scenes.

Really? Then why can't Snake even aim freely while moving in the game despite being this genetic super-soldier? Why can't he snap a guard's neck in a split-second like Fisher rather than having to resort to multiple button presses? Why can't he rope down when we see him bungie-jumping in the beginning of MGS2?

And besides, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that though the cinematics in Halo are quite involving and interesting, the animation in them, compared to other games like Ninja Gaiden, MGS, God of War, DMC etc. is very, very basic. In fact, the Halo 3 TV spot was the first time we saw the Chief moving and acting like that, striking cool poses and all. That alone is enough to prove that the animation limitations in the Halo games have nothing to do with the Chief's actual abilities.

But they should show the depth of his abilities in cut scenes more so if they are present. Something like Single shooting with the AR wouldn't be hard to do in game at all.

Like I said, the animation in Halo is very, very basic and dare I say it, unimpressive. 90% of the time, all the Chief does is either walk, cock his weapon or some other mundane stuff. It's obvious Bungie paid more attention to the gameplay than they did to the cinematics.

Fair enough. Even if we say that the books are cannon, Samus is still probably walking away with this one the majority of the time.

No, she's not. You only think that way because all the Samus supporters think of Chief like he's some idiot who's simply going to stand still in one place and take a beating. And now since you admit taking into account the books, it won't be hard for you acknowledge the Chief's unbeatable field tactics and battle strategies. And unlike Samus who needs a pitiful visor and onboard computer to do all the thinking for her, the Chief does it on the fly. That means he won't have to stop and scan his enemy for information and weaknesses. He'll do it on his own within seconds. In a battle, the Chief is off to a running start, and considering how relentless he is during conflict (well enough to earn him the title "demon" amongst the Covenant), he'll end it before Samus finishes scanning him.

Well you actually said that if the Chief was as powerful as he's made out to be in the books that the game would be boring because he would be unstoppable.

Uhh, yeah. So? How does that relieve you of the responsibility to answer my challenge to you about bringing to table these "gross discontinuities" in specific and concise detail between the novel and the game? Uh-uh, hon, don't dodge the question.

I accept that, the later part.

Yeah, that standard can be applied to Snake, but not the Chief. Disgusting selectivity and pathetic double standards FTW!!

Far Cry was possible on the Xbox, heck Crysis could be done on virtualy any 3D platform with a (Minor <-> MAJOR) hit to graphical fidelity. So that point is totally invalid.

The physics model of Crysis that enables it's main character to freely pull off such impressive feats in a sandbox like environment alone would've been impossible on last-gen systems. You're really reaching here.

Sounds like the run move in Killzone, though I can see why it was cut. I understand they definitely show his strength with him board a tank and punching in the manhole or whatever. I agree with you about that. But I disagree with the other aspects.

Uh, so? That doesn't mean you're right. And considering the fact that you didn't provide a substantial argument to back your disagreement with, it pretty much means you're wrong. :)

Y'know what, fine. You've changed my mind to a certain extent. But Samus is still walking away with this fight the majority of the time. The feats in the books are still overblown to a point where it doesn't make sense not to have those abilities in the game, but I always acknowledged that he's more capable then the game design allows him to be.

And he is. If only you admitted this sooner, we wouldn't have been running around in circles for so long.

:rolleyes:

Grrrrrrrrrreat reply. Oh my that totally annihilates my argument. I'll go kill myself now out of shame. *Sarcasm alert*

Spartan Laser is only in multiplayer if memory serves.

Pray tell, has there been even a SINGLE weapon in the ENTIRETY of both Halo games that was exclusive to multiplayer mode for you to make this ridiculous claim? Just because it was SHOWN in multiplayer mode doesn't mean that it wouldn't be in the campaign, especially considering the fact that such a move has never took place.

Ridley is hardly one little alien; especially considering Ridleys fire power. Do you really think a Plasma cannon would be left operational long enough to do any significant damage to him? Rocket Launcher... well you'd need a hell of a lot of rockets considering the pounding Ridley can soak up.

Ridley is just another alien. Really, there is simply NO rational explanation why he takes so mucu firepower to kill. His basic form is just flesh, maybe plated like reptiles but nothing extraordinary. Now Meta-Ridley is another story, but even he has a glaring weakpoint that outshines even the sun, practically screaming "shoot over here!". It's just a classic case of giving bosses ridiculously big health bars even though logically speaking, they shouldn't be able to withstand so much damage. Unless you bring me something more insightful from credible sources as to why Ridley needs so many missiles to kill aside from that big-ass health bar, it's a dismissible argument. Otherwise, I might as well bring 343 Guilty Spark in the equation as well claiming he's THE biggest badass enemy character of all, since he HAS no health bar and is IMPOSSIBLE to kill, enjoying his way through humming and blabbering computer jagron while you unload every manner of firepower into him with NO effect.

Yes and I'm sure the endless supply of them, and his breath weapon, isn't going to be a problem at all.

Ridley is just another alien. There, I said it.

Really? I'm willing to say that the firepower of one of her standard missiles’ might not kill the chief, but a super missile most definitely would. Count ‘em, 250 missiles’, dozens upon dozens of Super Missiles’.

Like I said luv, the Chief won't stand there waiting for Samus arsenal to run out. Her standard missiles don't fire fast enough to take him down before he gets to her, and he can either dodge the super missile or take a direct hit if he's on overshields (and really, why wouldn't he be, when Samus gets ALL her powerups and upgrades) and then jump in with a swipe of the Plasma Sword that'll slice her head clean off.

One missile in Halo kills the chief almost 100 percent of the time; in fact 95 percent of the time. And you say that there's no guarantee.

But with overshields, it almost takes 3 missiles, and add to that, the shield bomb and the Chief's got enough defensive options to last him until he delivers the coup de grace.

End it eh? Master Chief wants to try and close the gap I say he's welcome to it. You know why? The second he closes that gap? Super Bomb. The radius of that explosion would hit him and given his lack of durability, most likely kill him.

Again, with overshields, he can take that damage and shrug it off.

And y'know it's a lot harder to miss up close with the splash damage of a Super Missile, or the ice beam which would freeze Master Chief in place.

Splash damage is not enough to shake the Chief, let alone stop him. And the ice beam? With his superhuman strength, he'll just break through it. It's like trying to freeze Superman or The Hulk. A futile attempt.

Master Chief has never faced anyone as dangerous as Samus Aran, fact.

And Samus Aran has never faced anyone as dangerous as the Chief. Fact. With a capital "F".

Call me crazy but given how Samus has taken countless hits from things like Metroid Prime, Ridley, Krat, and that the Sword works on the comparatively much weaker people in Halo, It's by no means a certain thing that the Plasma Sword would kill Samus.

Uh, no. The sword ignores all kinds of armored defense. That's why a single lunging strike will kill any Elite or Spartan upon impact 100% of the time. Samus' suit may be able to resist conventional weaponry, but the Plasma Sword will cut through it like hot knife through butter. Yeah, I used that phrase again. Sue me.

The difference is she's in a suit that's practically weightless to her. She has much greater mobility because of the boost boots and screw attack and her grapple beam. She could literally move around any given area much faster then the chief could hope to and stay out of his reach with relative ease. And despite his strength, we know Samus isn't weak either, but engaging Chief in melee would be stupid, she wouldn't need to.

With the Chief's genetic strength and speed enhancements and the MJOLNIR armor's reactive metal liquid crystal and hydrostatic gel systems that not only give the suit unprecedented mobility, but actually enhance the wearer's speed and strength by significant margins. Again, you read the novels and you didn't even know that?

Ignoring for a moment that with Samus it's perfectly possible to evade and attack at the same time.

In such a case, a relentless offensive push on part of the Chief is enough to balance things out, as it's a basic fact that attacking while evading is more a defensive maneuver.

I really disagree. Especially considering the amount of danger he would be in and close range.

Actually, close-range is where Samus would be deader than dead no matter how you try to put it.

It would be that simple would it? He "simply has to engage in calculated Warfare by carefully damaging Samus' suit without getting hit much himself". Now I'm assuming that you're taking Master Chief military background into consideration in this. Tactics are one thing he's very good at yes.

Not just tactics, but overall battle strategy and combat maneuvers like lightning fast aiming and reflexes further enhanced by his armor and genetic modifications, a flawless aim and a keen and developed killer instinct. As a pure-bred supersoldier, there is simply no argument that the Chief is a much more formidable warrior. All the Chief knows is war.

But you're selling Samus Aran... far... short. Because if you honestly believe that she might not have a tactical ability herself, then you are woefully misguided.

I'm not saying Samus does not have a tactical ability, but compared to the Chief's expertise in the area, it's pretty much non-existent. After all, the very title of "Master Chief" is given to someone who is at the top of naval chain of command (even in real life), and anyone who has earned this prestigious rank is a legend in every sense of the word whose tactical, strategical and combat skills are leagues beyond anyone can comprehend.

Master Chief isn't the only one with a military background. From Childhood Samus was trained by the Chozo to be a Warrior. Consider that for a moment when you're ignoring the merit of her battle instinct. After she left the Chozo she joined the Galactic Federation Military. So please, on the basis of background credentials alone, try to remember who you're talking about.

Actually I do. It's you who needs to know what she's talking about. Sure Samus was trained to be a warrior, but that's all she got. Training. But the Chief was not only relentless trained by the best, but he also has genetic enhancements that put his skills way beyond anyone can achieve through natural means. Add to that Samus' suit having onboard visor and computer that easily compensate for her lack of skill in targeting or assessing the enemy's weaknesses on her own, but spending years with experimental suits and exoskeletons have allowed the Chief to refine his skills through raw combat that make him a much more natural killing machine. And it is only the latest incarnations of the MJOLNIR that amplify his performance to even greater levels.

Secondly, what's so great about Samus joining the Galactic Federation Military? Didn't these guys get their rear ends kicked by the Space Pirates, precisely why they started the "Space Hunter" program to beg for help from bounter hunters? While on the other hand, you have the UNSC who have held their own against the Covenant for many years despite having significantly inferior technology and despite a number of crushing defeats, have never begged help from anyone. The Master Chief walks with a band of badasses. Samus is hired help for a organization that can't even help itself.

And if the Chief wants to play hit and run, he's very quickly going to realize he has no place to hide. X-Ray visor will show Samus where he is at all times, and the Wave Beam passes through matter. You do the math. And for reference we're talking about a weapon that has practically the same vertical area of coverage that Samus is tall.

Since when does "calculated warfare" imply hit and run? Surely you're not that dumb.

"Unlike Samus"

The Master Chief has destroyed Halo along side a relatively decent Terran military presence.

That's because he's fighting a defensive war. In his entire conflict, there has never arised a situation where he had to destroy a planet. And considering the fact that he took out a weapon that could wipe out an entire galaxy, destroying a planet seems a little petty by comparison, wouldn't you agree?

Samus Aran destroys entire Planets and commits genocide to Alien species all by herself. She fends off Space Pirates who are an Alien species that have been augmenting themselves using biochemistry, DNA splicing and Bio-technological enhancements for generations.

Umm, the Covenant use Forerunner technology that is by far the most advanced in the universe. And the Chief kills them by the thousands.

Master Chief has notches on his belt for whatever, Samus Aran has entire planets and species on her belt, and entirely single handedly.

A few notches? LOL. Master Chief may be the single foremost factor in the preservation of mankind who were on the edge of elimination from the universe. He singlehandedly turned the tides of so many wars and protected Earth and human forces from complete annihilation, he might very well be termed a Messiah.

Think about that for a second, she goes in by herself and you claim she has no experience in engaging multiple enemies at once.

I said the Chief has infinitely more experience than her. Don't put words in my mouth.

What part of she was trained practically from birth to be a warrior and has served years in the Galactic Federation Military and is the most feared Bounty Hunter in her Galaxy don't you understand.

Galactic Trade Federation Military? Proved a buncha losers by the Space Pirates and now begging bounty hunters for help. The UNSC would wipe the floor with those sissies.

Samus Trained to be a warrior? Pfft, the Chief is BOTH trained and genetically enhanced. Not to mention his skills are way more refined than Samus' can ever hope to be because he's spent years with underdeveloped, experimental suits and armors before he got one that truly complements his abilities.

Somehow I don't think so. You know why most people think Samus would win? Because she freaking would.

Where are you getting this "most people" blabber from? A poll on a superhero message board comprised of barely around a 100 posters? LOL! Do a nationwide survery or something like that and then try and tell me what "most people think".

She would take Master Chief down the majority of the time and nothing you say changes that.

Nope and this has been disproven countless number of times in this thread with substantial arguments rather than with empty, meaningless assertions.

[Zenien]

Holy ****.

Yeah I'll slog through all of that pathetic drivel later thanks. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Deleted User]

That's not true. There's actually a study that was conducted. I'll try to find the link. When those questioned were shown a picture of Samus, they answered that the figure was called Metroid. Although people didn't get the name right, the association was close enough. Less people could identify who or where MC was from.

I'm sure in your own little world, they actually did poll the US. :o


"He uses the time before it explodes." Ok...

Yes, because her super-bombs don't blow up right away. And if he was say, two feet away from her.. he uses that 2 seconds to smash her ****ing head in. Because, you know, the whole "she sticks a superbomb to him" thing is pure conjecture and based on "maybes". So I threw a maybe your way too.

[Deleted User]

Holy ****. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Those responses don't win you arguments. I hope you realize this one day. :dry:

[Fenrir]

That's not true. There's actually a study that was conducted. I'll try to find the link. When those questioned were shown a picture of Samus, they answered that the figure was called Metroid. Although people didn't get the name right, the association was close enough.

Maybe in the 90s. And bring me that link first before you even try to convince us. You've pulled a lot of B.S in the past and I have no trouble presuming that's exactly what you're doing now.

Less people could identify who or where MC was from.

Are you ****ing kidding me? Master Chief made worldwide evening news when his game smashed single-day sales records in all of entertainment. He's consistently seen in gaming promotions, TV spots and theatrical trailers. The developers of his title have made TIME magazine's "100 most Influential" list. His franchise is associated with one of Hollywood's biggest talents - Peter Jackson, whose studio is now working on a groundbreaking "Halo" project. The Master Chief's face is synonymous with Halo. When was the last time you saw Metroid or Samus get such coverage or achieve a massive popularity like that? Take off your bloody Nintendunce cap for a second and at least try to be objective for a change. It won't make you any less of a fan.

"He uses the time before it explodes." Ok...

On overshields, the super bomb may not kill him at all. Or considering the fact that it is a one-shot weapon, his shield bomb would suffice. Heck, if the Chief gets close to Samus, with his superhuman strength he'll just straight rip Samus' cannon arm clean off her body in a flash.

[Zenien]

Those responses don't win you arguments. I hope you realize this one day. :dry:

Actually I'm just heading home and I'll probably be doing other things then argueing with dilluded Halo fanboys when I get home.

[Deleted User]

Actually I'm just heading home little guy and I'll probably be doing other things then argueing with dilluded Halo fanboys when I get home.

You're a "dilluded Metroid fanboy". What's your point? :o

[Fenrir]

Actually I'm just heading home and I'll probably be doing other things then argueing with dilluded Halo fanboys when I get home.

Or better yet, you can try going back to grade school. :up:

[Zenien]

Keep trying Fenrir, I really do care.

[Fenrir]

Yeah I'll slog through all of that pathetic drivel later thanks. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/images/smilies/laugh.gif

I'll be here in case you grow a bloody spine someday, luv. Mockery is the most transparent cover for cowardice. Glad you proved it with an example today. :up:

[Deleted User]

I love how you edited it twice too. That's always a kicker, when someone edits their post more than once to make sure they can demean the other posters as much as possible.

Classic. :up:

[Fenrir]

Keep trying Fenrir, I really do care.

LOL, apparently care enough to dignify it with a response. How does it feel like to yourself in the foot? :woot:

[TheGrayGhost]

Even so, that doesn't give you the license to dismiss the books, especially when Bungie insists they are admissible. End of story. Your attempts at trying to do so only show how desperate you've become in defending Samus.

:whatever:

You're the one who, upon realizing the superior firepower of Samus, incessantly relies on the "Halo 3 TV Spot." A TV Spot, by the way, that has been confirmed by the creators as not being representative of the actual game and enhanced for cinematic purposes.

EDIT: And I maintain that Master Chief isn't a very well-known character.

[Deleted User]

You're the one who, upon realizing the superior firepower of Samus, incessantly relies on the "Halo 3 TV Spot." A TV Spot, by the way, that has been confirmed by the creators as not being representative of the actual game and enhanced for cinematic purposes.


They said it wasn't representative of the in-game engine, but they used models and pieces from the actual game in the trailer. They were talking about the image/quality, not the things that actually happened in the teaser. Any idiot can understand that without reading between the lines.

EDIT: And I maintain that Master Chief isn't a very well-known character.

And I maintain that you're a liar. He's been on TV, his game has sold more copies, and has made many, many feature-spots in magazines over the last few years. Many more than Samus and Metroid.

You're using outdated "facts". That'd be like me taking the crime rate from 1974 and trying to say that somehow it applies to today. It doesn't. :o

[Fenrir]

:whatever:

You're the one who, upon realizing the superior firepower of Samus, incessantly relies on the "Halo 3 TV Spot." A TV Spot, by the way, that has been confirmed by the creators as not being representative of the actual game and enhanced for cinematic purposes.

Uhh, so? That TV spot is very much in-line how the Master Chief from the novels is supposed to act and move like, which was exactly my point. The Chief has been in other forms of media than just the games, and when discussing the CHARACTER itself, everything is admissible, as long as it's official. Oh and if you want to argue solely on the basis of how the character is represented "in the game", then you'll have to deal with the tank "can't aim freely while moving" Samus. LOL!

EDIT: And I maintain that Master Chief isn't a very well-known character.

You wanna keep your head buried in the sand, fine by me. What you do or do not maintain about anything has little relevance to the facts themselves.

[Sugarculted]

I'll be here in case you grow a bloody spine someday, luv. Mockery is the most transparent cover for cowardice. Glad you proved it with an example today. :up:

So so serious, over a slight argument over which gaming character is better.

:dry:

Especially when Samus owns Master Chief...

[Fenrir]

So so serious, over a slight argument over which gaming character is better.

:dry:

You always need two to argue. Holding me solely responsible for this whole fiasco would only serve to highlight one's own stupidity.

Especially when Samus owns Master Chief...

Uhh, no she doesn't. That much has been proven in this thread. Thank you for playing.

[Sugarculted]

You always need two to argue. Holding me solely responsible for this whole fiasco would only serve to highlight one's own stupidity.



Uhh, no she doesn't. That much has been proven in this thread. Thank you for playing.

Ugh, please. To highlight one's own stupidity? Harhar, righteo.

I was pointing out that you were acting so so serious, regardless of the fact Zenien had given up on arguing.

[Fenrir]

Ugh, please. To highlight one's own stupidity? Harhar, righteo.

I was pointing out that you were acting so so serious, regardless of the fact Zenien had given up on arguing.

I guess you are blind, deaf and dumb to the fact that my last argument was with TheGrayGhost. I know Zenien has left the discussion. I sent her off myself. ;)

[Sugarculted]

I guess you are blind, deaf and dumb to the fact that my last argument was with TheGrayGhost. I know Zenien has left the discussion. I sent her off myself. ;)

You make my brain hurty...:csad:

...considering I first posted ere in this thread, quoting your response to Zenien.

[3dman27]

this ones for my nephew jon a HALO fan
master chief

[TheGrayGhost]

*Shakes my head at thread*

http://filmtest.wz.cz/foto/2/3.jpg

"He's going to show you the bricks. He'll show you they got straight sides. He'll show you how they got the right shape. He'll show them to you in a very special way, so that they appear to have everything a brick should have. But there's one thing he's not gonna show you. [turns the card, so that its edge is toward Billy] When you look at the bricks from the right angle, they're as thin as this playing card. His whole case is an illusion, a magic trick. It has to be an illusion, 'cause Master Chief would never win. Ever."

[TheGrayGhost]

Oh, and you're placing too much faith in American TV viewers. Outside of gaming circles, I don't know anyone who knows who MC is.

[Deleted User]

*Shakes my head at thread*

http://filmtest.wz.cz/foto/2/3.jpg

"He's going to show you the bricks. He'll show you they got straight sides. He'll show you how they got the right shape. He'll show them to you in a very special way, so that they appear to have everything a brick should have. But there's one thing he's not gonna show you. [turns the card, so that its edge is toward Billy] When you look at the bricks from the right angle, they're as thin as this playing card. Her whole case is an illusion, a magic trick. It has to be an illusion, 'cause Samus would never win. Ever."

Cute. I fixed it for you, buster.

The fact that you're now foregoing any logical progression of an argument and are now jumping straight to the veiled attempts at making yourself not look stupid, I can pretty much say that all hope for making your viewpoint look logical is dead, gone, and done for.

[Deleted User]

Oh, and you're placing too much faith in American TV viewers. Outside of gaming circles, I don't know anyone who knows who MC is.

You know alot of people are gamers, right? EVERY one of my friends, hell, EVERY ONE in my high school knows who Master Chief is. Because all of them play video games. You act like only a niche crowd plays video games.

Oh yes, and I would like to know why anyone outside of "gaming circles" would know who Samus is. Could you answer this for me? Because I have abso-****ing-lutely no idea why somehow Samus is a household name but MC would only be known in "gaming circles". Puh-lease. Your argument gets more and more pathetic every time it rears it's head.

[Zenien]

http://www.gameswelike.com/web/images/Metroid/Samus%20SSBM%20still.jpg

[Deleted User]

Awesome. This does nothing but show that you know who Samus is.

Congratulations. :huh:

[Warhammer]

What's with all this shyit over Samus and MC?

Who cares if MC "defeated" a thousand aliens.

- What did he use?

A large bomb, a space ship?

- How many did he fight at one time in close combat?

5? 8?

[Deleted User]

What's with all this shyit over Samus and MC?

Who cares if MC "defeated" a thousand aliens.

- What did he use?

A large bomb, a space ship?

- How many did he fight at one time in close combat?

5? 8?

In the game, you end up fighting dozens all at the same time. :o

Also, he didn't use a large bomb or a space ship. Do you even know anything about Halo? He uses A) His brute strength, B) Ballistic/Plasma weapons and C) Tanks.

Who cares if Samus defeated thousands of aliens? If we're going to go along that train of thought, that is. Simple fact is, neither of them have defeated each others' enemies, so you can't say one has stronger foes than the other.