The Official Tom Welling Thread

[AgentPat]

ROFLMAO!

Lines like that result in me spewing coffee on my monitor. Pat, you'll be owing me a new monitor one of these days. :)Hee!

Seriously though, I don't know if that "interview" was just a joke made up by Moviehole, but go to Roofus' board over at IMDb. No no... NOT the Superman boards, Routh's board. Find it? Here, lemme help...

http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0746125/board/threads/

Biggest thread there with 60 replies, right at the top:

"Tom Welling deserves the Supes role"

OUCH! :rolleyes:

That is pretty FREAKIN' embarrassing if you ask me. Funny, but wicked embarrassing.

It makes me wonder three things:
1. Does Routh have a clue?
2. Does Welling?
3. Does Warners?

And just to add... I DO post over at IMDb. Every once in a blue moon. I'm "AgentPat" there, just like here. But I've NEVER posted in the Superman forum or Routh's forum (Hello?!)

[triplet]

BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Best. News. This week! Gotta freakin' luv it!

Here's the article from EW:

http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1045702_3_0_,00.html

'Lost' to Us

Ian Somerhalder on last night's ''Lost'' shocker: In his first interview since Boone went bye-bye, the actor tells EW about getting that fateful call from producers, his theory on what the writers were thinking, and where he'll go from here.

by Jeff Jensen

http://i.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/050406/12481__somerhalder_l.jpg
R.I.P., BOONE ''I was spacey and nauseous and a little pissed,'' Somerhalder says of his death scene

Ian Somerhalder was on vacation when he found out he was going to die. It was supposed to be a relaxing weekend of wine tasting on the California coast — a well-earned respite during a breakout month for the 26-year-old model-turned-actor. Just days earlier, Somerhalder's showcase episode of Lost had aired, revealing that his character, Boone, had once knocked boots with stepsister Shannon (Maggie Grace). At long last, fans had an idea of who Boone was — and, by extension, the actor who played him. A hit show, career heat — yes, life was sweet for the young star. Slightly creepy, but sweet. Now he wanted to savor it, along with some very fine wine.
Then came the call.

''Pretty devastating,'' says Somerhalder, of getting the bad news from Lost producers. ''Thank God I already had four glasses of really good pinot in me.'' It's two months later on a gray March day in Hollywood. A cold and a night of clubbing have left Somerhalder wiped. A patch of skin across one of his perfect cheekbones looks red-meat rare — a chemical burn from the prosthetic he wore during his final moments as Boone. ''The week I got the call, I started looking for a house in Hawaii. Now I'm looking for a house in Venice Beach,'' says Somerhalder, an unlit cigarette wagging from his lip. After bumming a light from a passerby, he takes a stab at perspective: ''I guess this is TV history, huh? The first main character to be killed on Lost.''

It's a little early in the life of Lost for grandiose contextualization, but what can be said is that Boone's death on April 6 made for riveting and poignant TV. Brief obit: Boone Carlisle, 28, son of a bridal-shop magnate; died from injuries sustained while investigating a small plane stuck in a big tree (said plane fell out of said tree while Boone was inside); took to his grave the possible revelation that there might be other survivors on the island (voices on the radio in said plane suggested as much). For the actor, playing the death scene really hurt. Like, really hurt: ''I was spacey and nauseous and a little pissed. It's hard walking a fine line between lucid and not lucid while Matthew Fox is ramming a needle into my chest.''

From the very beginning, Lost cocreators J.J. Abrams and Damon Lindelof have said the threat of death hangs over the crash survivors. As the writers mapped out the season's final episodes, they followed through on that threat, deciding to kill a character whose story line had run its course. Another reason: Boone's death would especially affect his father figure, Locke (Terry O'Quinn), and the island's doctor and resident hero, Jack (Fox). ''It was a narrative imperative that we kill Boone,'' says executive producer Carlton Cuse. ''It sets in motion a chain of events leading to the season finale.'' Adds Lindelof: ''The show is about the conflict between Jack and Locke. Boone's death will be a divisive point between them.''

http://i.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/050406/12481__lost_l.jpg [b]<---- With Tom's soon to be co-star - trip
IT WAS WRITTEN In order for other central plots to progress, say the writers, Somerhalder (with costar Grace) had to go

Although Somerhalder understands the creative reasons for his alter ego's demise, he feels Abrams and Lindelof ''boxed themselves into a corner'' by telling the press someone was going to die — statements which left the cast anxious. ''We didn't really appreciate that,'' he says. ''They already fooled the audience twice,'' with the apparent deaths of Shannon (a dream) and Charlie (Dominic Monaghan, revived after much CPR). ''It's like, 'Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, I'm going to stop watching your show.''' Lindelof doesn't disagree: ''That's completely fair. In our defense, if we don't kill someone off, the stakes just aren't real.'' (That same reasoning helped sell ABC, which initially had an ''if it ain't broke, why kill somebody?'' attitude.)

Talking about his brief life on Lost, Somerhalder yo-yos between criticism and resignation, cynicism and gratitude. ''It's been emotional hell. That's why I started smoking again,'' says Somerhalder, whose previous acting credits include The Rules of Attraction and Life as a House. He takes a puff. ''This is the last cigarette I'm smoking. Can't smoke anymore.'' Now he wants movie roles, quality projects — more Ian McKellen than Ian Ziering. Nothing is lined up yet; while he works on that, the biz-savvy Somerhalder will be tending to his real estate venture and production company — that is, when he's not hanging in Hawaii with the Lostmates who have become dear friends: Fox, Grace, O'Quinn, Josh Holloway.

Like the actor, Boone fans don't have to say goodbye just yet: He'll appear in the two-hour season finale May 25, during a flashback to the flight that brought everyone to the island. ''I'll always have a place in Hawaii,'' says Somerhalder. ''Trust me — life is great. It's f---ing great. And you know what? This show has made it that much better.'' A little more time, and he may actually believe that.

(Posted:04/06/05)

[jas01724]

I wonder if they *really* chose to can him because they know he's a liability. :p

[AgentPat]

...IT WAS WRITTEN In order for other central plots to progress, say the writers, Somerhalder (with costar Grace) had to go...This line isn't clear. Is Grace off the show too?

I wonder if they *really* chose to can him because they know he's a liability. :pNot really knowing anything about the character or the show, it might be a little bit of everything. If the producers did indeed "box themselves" in by saying a character would be offed, they may have looked at the entire cast and chose the weakest link, whether that be the character, or the PITA actor who plays him. Who knows?

Still great to see him get the old heave ho after badmouthing SV though. Yes, revenge is sweet. :D

[RakuMon]

This line isn't clear. Is Grace off the show too?

That line is just referencing the photograph above it.
http://i.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/050406/12481__lost_l.jpg
So no, Grace isn't off the show.

[triplet]

That line is just referencing the photograph above it.
http://i.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/050406/12481__lost_l.jpg
So no, Grace isn't off the show.

They teased the rest of the season and it looks like things might be getting rough for Locke here soon, there's still word that someone will get it in the finale...

I wonder if that is still true? If so, who would it be?

[Serene]

Pat.
Seriously, dude.
Time to empty the PM box.. it's overflowing all over the floor again.

[AgentPat]

Pat.
Seriously, dude.
Time to empty the PM box.. it's overflowing all over the floor again.Gah! And it's still overflowing, I see. What a mess. LOL Okay, gimme some time to clean everything up later this afternoon. Feel free to just e-mail me in the mean time. Weekends tend to get really busy for me. :(

Anyhoo, the reason why I'm here - here's a lengthy but interesting article:


New Blood, Old Ideas: Horror's Familiar Scripts
By Bridget Byrne
Special to The Washington Post
Sunday, April 10, 2005; Page N03

Hollywood is gripped by horror.

Opinions are divided as to whether the current glut of movies that fall inside the very porous boundary of classic horror -- with vividly suggestive titles, relatively modest budgets, lack of expensive star names -- is a welcome dose of lifeblood to an industry always in need of a booster shot, or a stranglehold on its creativity.

"Anything that is profitable is good for the business," says Valerie Van Galder, president of TriStar Pictures, a division of Sony Pictures Entertainment, the studio that recently released "Boogeyman" and has "The Cave" opening in August.

Less impressed with current attitudes toward the genre is John Landis. "The truth is the modern horror movie is no different than the old horror movie, but it is damaged in the same way that most of the product is now by the corporate culture" at the studios, says the director, who in 1981 wrote and directed the comedic horror trip "An American Werewolf in London."

However unholy the liaison between the corporate and creative limbs of Hollywood, it's clear that both sides are busy capitalizing on a certain segment of the public's taste for blood and gore, spooky stuff, menace and mayhem.

Remakes abound. Dark Castle Entertainment, which in 1999 remade 1959's "House on Haunted Hill," is retreading a similar path with an update of 1953's "House of Wax," to be released by Warner Bros. next month. Another journey into John Carpenter's 1980 spooky "The Fog" is being filmed in Canada for Columbia Pictures release this fall. And MGM's new take on the 1979 hit "The Amityville Horror" opens Friday.

Andrew Douglas, the British director hired for "Amityville," says his redo is as justified as revisiting fairy tales or Shakespeare. But he admits it's also a business decision. "There is a certain kind of commercial cynicism in an industry that is constantly remaking either films that did well in the previous generation, or indeed a film that did well in another language and another geography," he says. An example of the latter: The Japanese "Ringu" was remade in 2002 in the United States as "The Ring," which spawned last month's "The Ring Two."

It may help somewhat, in films aimed at the youth market, to cast cute teen-appeal TV stars as objects of terror. Barry Watson, alumni of "7th Heaven," was in "Boogeyman," Chad Michael Murray of "One Tree Hill" is in "House of Wax," along with the ubiquitous Paris Hilton. Tom Welling of "Smallville" is caught up in "The Fog." But most in the industry acknowledge it's the quality of the villain -- whether human or monster, real or ghostly -- plot twists and the skill of the filmmaker's execution that make or break a horror film.

"It's more important that you have a marketable concept than a recognizable cast," says Peter Block, president of acquisitions and co-production for Lions Gate, a company which he contends "harkened the reemergence of the horror genre."

Lions Gate released "Cabin Fever" in 2002, "House of 1,000 Corpses" in 2003 and "Saw," which cost well under $2 million and grossed more than $18 million in its opening weekend, in 2004 (a sequel is in the works). Overseas acquisitions included Takashi Shimizu's "Ju-On: The Grudge" (which was remade by a different company and starred Sarah Michelle Gellar). Upcoming are six Japanese horror films resulting from a co-production deal with Taka Ichise, who produced both "Ju-On" and "Ringu." The first will be released next month, Masayuki Oschiai's "Infection" (tag line: "Death is just a breath away").

Lions Gate relies heavily on buzz rather than the expensive blanket marketing utilized by major studios.

The fact that "House of 1,000 Corpses' " original financier Universal and distributor MGM dropped Rob Zombie's film because it was "too tough" was a hot topic with fans on the Internet. "You can't buy publicity like that," Block exclaims.

Zombie, whose next movie is "The Devil's Rejects," notes a trend back to "more brutal movies. "Everything got safer and safer and nicer, or down to the end of the line," says Zombie. "For me, 'I Know What You Did Last Summer' -- a guy, who looks like a fisherman, terrorizing Jennifer Love Hewitt -- that's a pretty far cry from 'The Exorcist.' "

Violence was on the mind of "Amityville" producer Brad Fuller, he says, when he and his partners founded their production company, Platinum Dunes, in 2001. They were looking for a reasonably cheap way to "get a lot of bang for our buck." It had been a year since Wes Craven's third "Scream," a successful franchise whose impact was eventually muted by parody (the "Scary Movie" trilogy began that year, too) and dismissed as cliche. "We thought, let's make a really violent horror movie like what was there in the '70s."

They acquired rights to remake Tobe Hooper's 1974 cannibal tale, "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre."

"Everybody told us we were fools, it was stupid, it would never work," recalls Fuller. "That gave us a lot of freedom, because nobody had any expectations. . . . So we went out and pushed the boundaries."

Made for about $9.5 million, their 2003 "Chainsaw" grossed $81 million domestically and an additional $30 million or so overseas, not including DVD sales. The "Amityville" remake, produced in what Fuller thinks is a "more conservative" climate but still rated R, inevitably cost more, but came in under $20 million.

"The horror genre will never die," concludes Larry Cohen, director of "It's Alive!," the 1974 killer baby rampage. "Sitting around in the dark and telling scary stories is something built into the nature of human beings. We are just carrying on this tradition."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37402-2005Apr8.html

[triplet]

Pat.
Seriously, dude.
Time to empty the PM box.. it's overflowing all over the floor again.

Like you should talk.

Pot.Kettle.Black.

;) :D

[jas01724]

Like you should talk.

Pot.Kettle.Black.

;) :DLa, lala, lalala... :p

[Serene]

Like you should talk.

Pot.Kettle.Black.
;) :D
La, lala, lalala...

I have absolutely no idea what you guys are talking about. Don't listen to them, Pat.
:mad: :p

[triplet]

I have absolutely no idea what you guys are talking about. Don't listen to them, Pat.
:mad: :p

I had tried replying to one PM last night and it got bounced, you know EXACTLY what we're talking about young lady! ;) :p

[Serene]

I had tried replying to one PM last night and it got bounced, you know EXACTLY what we're talking about young lady! ;) :p

I blame your typing. :cool:

My PM box is working just fine now. :D

[triplet]

I blame your typing. :cool:

My PM box is working just fine now. :D

I may just go and reply now.... But I'm having one hell of a day. My desktop decided to blow up. Windows won't boot after several attempts, wouldn't even boot into safe mode (this has happened before) so I'm trying to reload Windows and it keeps crashing during the install tooo....

This sucks but good thing my laptop is unaffected.

[AgentPat]

I have absolutely no idea what you guys are talking about. Don't listen to them, Pat.Okaaaay.... I have just now - for the first time ever - dumped my *entire* PM box down to a text file and saved it locally. I now have a TON of space up there to be filled by folks who refuse to use e-mail. :p

It's a good day. Knock yourselves out peeps! :D

[AgentPat]

HAHAHA!! Had to share this... I just declined work for Warner Bros. LMAO!! Long story short - they were looking for a small sound system to be set-up at a school. I have no idea what the project is, but it was really small potatoes. My company is ballz to the wallz right now and doesn't have time to do small gigs, so I had to send them elsewhere. My eyes kinda glazed over when the guy on the other end of the phone introduced himself as being with Warners though. Hah! It's the little things in life folks! :D

[AgentPat]

Bumpity bump...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/rogue2.jpg

Tom's look for the role in SV's first season ep Rogue was PERFECT. :up:
(I *finally* got around to capping that scene.)

[Thunder Emperor]

HAHAHA!! Had to share this... I just declined work for Warner Bros. LMAO!! Long story short - they were looking for a small sound system to be set-up at a school. I have no idea what the project is, but it was really small potatoes. My company is ballz to the wallz right now and doesn't have time to do small gigs, so I had to send them elsewhere. My eyes kinda glazed over when the guy on the other end of the phone introduced himself as being with Warners though. Hah! It's the little things in life folks! :D


i like it when you send the big doggs running with their tails between their legs lol

[triplet]

Bumpity bump...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/rogue2.jpg

Tom's look for the role in SV's first season ep Rogue was PERFECT. :up:
(I *finally* got around to capping that scene.)

He's a beautiful man....

[Lara]

Phew.. headed for the fort. There's a large group of incomming trolls bearing blunt objects and ugly pictures in the other thread. Quick take cover.....I think it may be safe here.

[Thunder Emperor]

Phew.. headed for the fort. There's a large group of incomming trolls bearing blunt objects and ugly pictures in the other thread. Quick take cover.....I think it may be safe here.


we must band together and protect the alamo from those damn mexicans

[triplet]

we must band together and protect the alamo from those damn mexicans

Yeah, it's not safe anywhere now.... We're under seige and the admins don't even give a crap.

Paradoxium is even there throwing his own punches. Sad.

[Lara]

Yeah, it's not safe anywhere now.... We're under seige and the admins don't even give a crap.

Paradoxium is even there throwing his own punches. Sad.
Yep and it's not the first time he's done it. Who's moderating the moderators? Ah vell here take some torches, they're rather effective agaisnt trolls.

[The Batman]

You know, its kind of funny to come back here and find that Wellingites are STILL talking about routh.

and thats why people dont like Welling...

[Bruce_Wayne29]

You know, its kind of funny to come back here and find that Wellingites are STILL talking about routh.

and thats why people dont like Welling...

There has been little mention of Routh in the thread up until today with the new pics...
That can't be said in the other boards where they have been bashing Welling non-stop....

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Can anybody post that image of Tom in Unsafe, the close shot in the barn of when the red kryptonite gets to his eyes ?

[Lara]

You know, its kind of funny to come back here and find that Wellingites are STILL talking about routh.

and thats why people dont like Welling...
And it's even funnier that your coming here to talk about Welling :rolleyes: BTW it's your buddies posting the Routh pictures in our threads, pay attention next time.

[The Batman]

I came here to talk about Welling because...this is the TOM WELLING THREAD.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Never mind

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

I came here to talk about Welling because...this is the TOM WELLING THREAD.

good point :up:

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

and now that ive said the sacred words... will you spare me if i say something good about routh?
please....
:rolleyes:

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

ahh... never mind im just messing with u...
forget about me...
i rarely visit this forum anyway...

[Ricky_Tan]

long live tom welling... :rolleyes:
and his fanboys... :rolleyes:
and may sv live on in the hearts of hundreds of people around the world... ;)

oh, and btw... i just bought the 3rd season on dvd...
watched it in under two days...
good stuff :up:

stfu

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

stfu
if ur gonna do it... do it properly...
see... if i wanted to say stfu... i'd prolly say:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/mehzeb/fingerpoint.jpg

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

listen up newbie... spend some time here... accumulate some posts, and then resort to saying ****... its not very nice to offend people like that...

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

and this may come as a shock to many of the people who post here, but i like SV... if i list my top 10 fav shows... its probably gonna be in it. my fav character is Lex. dont have a prob with TW. the reason i come here sometimes and make a little fun of the way things run here is that, people talk wayy too much about brandon routh over here and too little on SV. the fact that singer's superman is bs, and TW should have been superman are more prominent in this forum, than the show itself.
lets put the focus back on the show, and talk about other stuff... the storylines... the characters, the 5th Season (which is on the way), the DVD release of the 4th season (rumored to be in Sept.)
lets stop the flaming and the SR bashing...
we're all superman fans here... we dont need to bash anyone

[triplet]

You know, its kind of funny to come back here and find that Wellingites are STILL talking about routh.

and thats why people dont like Welling...

We're not the ones who brought him up.

[Mandrill]

We're not the ones who brought him up.


Whats the point ..really.I come over here to have people talk crap I go on the Superman boards and there is more crap honest to god.

Routh fans brought him up today see here

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5488811&postcount=4649

and again here
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5488910&postcount=4652

Yet Smallville fans get the blame for bringing up Routh. :rolleyes:

[Ricky_Tan]

listen up newbie... spend some time here... accumulate some posts, and then resort to saying ****... its not very nice to offend people like that...

oh noes.. it's the internet police. gtfo

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

oh noes.. it's the internet police. gtfo

thats a healthy way to get ur post count up...
post witty retorts...
come on, post some more...

[Lara]

and this may come as a shock to many of the people who post here, but i like SV... if i list my top 10 fav shows... its probably gonna be in it. my fav character is Lex. dont have a prob with TW. the reason i come here sometimes and make a little fun of the way things run here is that, people talk wayy too much about brandon routh over here and too little on SV. the fact that singer's superman is bs, and TW should have been superman are more prominent in this forum, than the show itself.
lets put the focus back on the show, and talk about other stuff... the storylines... the characters, the 5th Season (which is on the way), the DVD release of the 4th season (rumored to be in Sept.)
lets stop the flaming and the SR bashing...
we're all superman fans here... we dont need to bash anyone
This baffles me! Have you looked at this forum? We discuss Smallville in depth we haven't talked about Routh in a long time till people came to post his pictures and tell us how wrong we are etc. Noone here even wants Welling in this movie anymore all we ever (rarely) say about the movie is that we prefer the Smallville mythos to the donnor movies and dicuss a future movie we might like to see. All the things you mentioned are in threads on the main page! None of what you are saying is true don't judge without looking into it.

[AgentPat]

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/exile7.jpg

Gosh! I suppose there ARE good reasons to have active mods around here. :rolleyes: ;)

Lets get back on track, shall we? :D

I don't recall seeing these posted before, so here's two WB promo shots from Bound:

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/bound3.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/bound4.jpg

As a matter of law, is it "normal" for convicted felons to have direct contact with those visiting them? Even when Jonathan was arrested for murder in "Rogue," Clark had to speak with him through an intercom and glass...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/rogue5.jpg

Just wondering.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

This baffles me! Have you looked at this forum? We discuss Smallville in depth we haven't talked about Routh in a long time till people came to post his pictures and tell us how wrong we are etc. Noone here even wants Welling in this movie anymore all we ever (rarely) say about the movie is that we prefer the Smallville mythos to the donnor movies and dicuss a future movie we might like to see. All the things you mentioned are in threads on the main page! None of what you are saying is true don't judge without looking into it.

but, Lara, how many posts do you see in those threads, and how many in this one? that illustrates alot of what goes on here. this may be bad timing on my part, but everytime i come here, i always see discussions of the new SR movie, and not smallville

[jas01724]

everytime i come here, i always see discussions of the new SR movie, and not smallvilleThat's because the vast majority of Smallville fans (with the exception of a few idiots) are doing their best to avoid the Supes forum, and aren't starting discussions about Smallville over there.

On the flip side, a fair number of the movie fans keep coming over here and denying us the same courtesy. Very rarely are the SR discussions over here started by the SV fans... and if they are, it's usually by the same few idiots who cause trouble everywhere.

So who's to blame, exactly?

[Lara]

but, Lara, how many posts do you see in those threads, and how many in this one? that illustrates alot of what goes on here. this may be bad timing on my part, but everytime i come here, i always see discussions of the new SR movie, and not smallvilleBUt have you read all the posts? no of course not. It's judging a book by it's cover. People see the title of the thread and make assumptions about the content. You probably also always come in here when there is big movie related news and peole have flocked here to argue. Remember the old Welling thread in the movie forum that was more of a chat thread? If we went by post counts in it then alot of anti-welling people would have to be assumed Welling fans? Older posters like you should know better.

[AgentPat]

You know, its kind of funny to come back here and find that Wellingites are STILL talking about routh.What's more funny (or disturbing)? Going into a SMALLVILLE forum and seeing comments about the film and the two actors playing Clark Kent in different mediums, or going to a SUPERMAN forum that touts itself as a "gentlemen's club" and seeing WELLING, SMALLVILLE, and the show's FANS bashed completely out of context?

http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?t=1864&page=9&pp=40

Start at post 343 and keep reading. I see Para deleted HIS post that Serene quoted. Not only do the Singer elite BASH Welling, but they're BASHING people on other boards for having an opinion. I'm a "lowlife" according to one of them. Any respect I had for those forums is pretty much history now, and not because of the bashing - that takes place everywhere - it's that it was *started* by a moderator and nothing was done to stop the continued downward spiral. Thanks Para. BTW, how on earth did you get to be a mod here? Just wondering.

I came here to talk about Welling because...this is the TOM WELLING THREAD.BS!! You have over 7500 posts at SHH. A mere forty one have been in the SV forums. Seven posts have discussed episodes, four have expressed how "hot" a particular actress is, and three are miscellaneous. The rest (27) have been in the Welling threads and EVERY FREAKIN' ONE of them has either been to discuss Routh, bash Welling, or other poster's opinions. You're not in this thread to discuss TW. You're being a troll. The proof is in your post history, which ANYBODY can look up with two mouse clicks, including the mods.

Can anybody post that image of Tom in Unsafe, the close shot in the barn of when the red kryptonite gets to his eyes ?Indeed, Bruce! I know the feeling...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/unsafe7.jpg

[KAT1173]

When I first found Superherohype I went over there. Never again. Very scary people. I am very happy here at Smallville. I stay here and now I'm even posting. Now if only we could make those people stay away, but it does make me appreciate how great the people are here. On this site people can actually compose complete sentences and not have to resort to profanity when they're vocabulary comes up short. Imagine that.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Paradoxium]

I didn't delete that post, I wanted it to be there. I still think it is unfair to slander Routh in a Tom Welling thread like that (nose job? fix his teeth? yellow tint?). Sure some fanboys were in here but they were there BEFORE my post, check the times - ironically the only one person that did reply from BT was not openly critical of it. I was going to post it up here and Justin was doing damage control, that wouldn't be the first. There is another guy there spamming away in that board which I pointed out and I had my post removed. I know I may not be PC, I rather take the bullet for that and let it go like that.

I am NOT a mod there, nor I am mod in this particular forum.

[jas01724]

I still think it is unfair to slander Routh in a Tom Welling thread like that (nose job? fix his teeth? yellow tint?).I still think it's unfair that Jc and numerous other people have, for well over a year now, gotten away with slandering Tom (Needs a nose job, needs his lips fixed, etc. ad nauseum.) yet it still happens every now and then. It happens in the Brandon Routh thread and anywhere that it can be gotten away with. Some people even make "interesting" avatars, however briefly they use them... ;)

Turnabout is fair play until both sides are treated alike for their behaviour. And I don't see anyone being made a pariah on KSite or any of the other big Smallville boards in the way Pat was at BT... granted some seem to do a good enough job of making themself into one, but still.

[JcDc]

Whoa whoa... I never said Tom needs a nose job. When the discussion of Welling/Routh came up of who looks more like Reeve I simply pointed out that Tom has a huge nose and lips in comparison to both Routh and Reeve. Also in the casting war days I pointed out that he doesn't have very average features which works against him in owning both the role of Superman and Clark Kent. Not saying he's ugly or needs surgery, infact by most accounts I'm sure he'd be considered better looking than Reeve or Routh.

[jas01724]

Whoa whoa... I never said Tom needs a nose job.Hence the "etc. ad nauseum..."

Pat didn't say "Routh needs his teeth fixed," either, she just mentioned they're yellow in the same way you mention Tom's nose, lips, and whatever else.

Turnabout continues to be fair play. :D

[JcDc]

Hence the "etc. ad nauseum..."

Pat didn't say "Routh needs his teeth fixed," either, she just mentioned they're yellow in the same way you mention Tom's nose, lips, and whatever else.

Turnabout continues to be fair play. :D


When have I said anything against turnabouts? If it's relevant to discussion pro or con there is no reason to feel blasted or bothered :confused:

[jas01724]

When have I said anything against turnabouts? .. :confused:You haven't. I have. Para didn't like Pat mentioning Routh's nose, teeth, and whatever else. I don't like people (not just you, just so we're clear) making the same disparaging comments about Tom. Likening him to a donkey springs to mind.

If it's okay for people to have picked on Tom's "flaws" for well over a year, it's more than fair to turn that around on Routh and mention his "flaws" too. No?

Turnabout is more than fair until both sides are treated equally. Equal treatment in this instance would involve me picking out distateful posts about Tom and reposting them where they're guaranteed to cause the biggest ruckus.

[Paradoxium]

JcDc:

7 day probation on 09-01-2004, 10:18 PM

10 day probation on 09-14-2004, 06:41 PM

7 day probation on 02-07-2005, 04:33 PM

BANNED 02-20-2005, 12:00 PM & UNBANNED on 02-20-2005, 10:16 PM because the pics wouldn't load properly (basically got lucky).

Don't even get my started on the amount of complaints generated.

If the rules I had recommended to Malice had stayed a bit longer he would have been banned a long time ago (sorry JcDc tis true). It was until Mirko went with the the more lax policy and Malice was laid off from admin duties.

There was feature that block users from certain forums while allowing them to continue posting elsewhere. It's more better than outright banning because people can keep returning, it is the best compromise. I suggest you guys make a massive push for this in the technical forum (not only for your sake but other forums), you can have all the *troll control* you want in this forum, you supply the names and the person can be blocked. It's too bad it was not updated since the upgrade. This forum is already 2 versions behind.

Anyways I am going to have all my posts on my BT account deleted physically (sent out a pm to Justin), and waive off any other project I had in development with him. I don't really plan to use that account - probably extremely sparingly for very special circumstances. I am doing this since it is becoming apparant I have a conflict of interest and I am not going hurt Justin's site's rep. I am going to make a decision about this SHH account in the coming months post of Batman Begins (been waiting 2-3 years) as well.

[JcDc]

You haven't. I have. Para didn't like Pat mentioning Routh's nose, teeth, and whatever else. I don't like people (not just you, just so we're clear) making the same disparaging comments about Tom. Likening him to a donkey springs to mind.

If it's okay for people to have picked on Tom's "flaws" for well over a year, it's more than fair to turn that around on Routh and mention his "flaws" too. No?

Turnabout is more than fair until both sides are treated equally. Equal treatment in this instance would involve me picking out distateful posts about Tom and reposting them where they're guaranteed to cause the biggest ruckus.

1. I make those comments in response to negative Routh comments most of the time... i.e. turnabout

2. There are always new members who haven't read my reasons for why Tom is all wrong to play Superman. When I make a point it's not directed at anyone to get angry, it's directed at whoever wants to read it and discuss it. I'm open to discussing topics pro or con regarding anything Superman. I don't go after members by reiterating points, I would hope you guys know I'm just having fun and discussing with the entire group... which is why I would repeat certain comments.

[AgentPat]

...I am NOT a mod there, nor I am mod in this particular forum.Well thank goodness for small favors.

Para, with all due respect, you're just as bad as some of the trolls that come into this forum. When was the last time you had something constructive to say about the show or its cast? That's not to say that every comment should be positive, but when your only purpose is to post some snarky comment directed at a user or an actor from the show, I really don't see how *I* am the one doing the "slandering." As a mod on *any* forum, you should know better. Look at your posts and actions here (your avatars, your comments, who you choose to "target," etc.), and tell me with a straight face you're being unbiased. Please, get over it. Move on. Let those who post here on a REGULAR basis make suggestions about which threads should be merged or closed. I'm asking nicely.

And thank you, James. I had yellow teeth at one time too. I drink a lot of tea and had to do something about it (laminates are a beautiful thing, doncha know?) I also have a larger nose than I'd care to have, but I'd only get a rhinoplasty if I came under public scrutiny - like if I was an actress or something. It's often EXPECTED of leading actors, unless a certain feature defines them - Karl Malden, for example. If you're an "unknown" however, and you've just been cast in a LEADING role for one of the biggest blockbuster films of the decade, I would have thunk that the director would have made some arrangements beyond a nutritionist and personal trainer for his Superman, but that's just me. Oh, and eyebrow waxing takes *maybe* five minutes, not including the time it takes to heat the wax. It stings, but it's worth the pain.

Meh... this is SO not worth arguing. I swore yesterday that I wouldn't get dragged into the mud, but here I am. Un-freakin'-believable.

KAT1173, welcome to The Hype. Hope you've ordered your flame retardant undies hon; it can get hot in here sometimes. LOL :D

[JcDc]

JcDc:

7 day probation on 09-01-2004, 10:18 PM

10 day probation on 09-14-2004, 06:41 PM

7 day probation on 02-07-2005, 04:33 PM

BANNED 02-20-2005, 12:00 PM & UNBANNED on 02-20-2005, 10:16 PM because the pics wouldn't load properly (basically got lucky).

Don't even get my started on the amount of complaints generated.

If the rules I had recommended to Malice had stayed a bit longer he would have been banned a long time ago (sorry JcDc tis true). It was until Mirko went with the the more lax policy and Malice was laid off from admin duties.

There was feature that block users from certain forums while allowing them to continue posting elsewhere. It's more better than outright banning because people can keep returning, it is the best compromise. I suggest you guys make a massive push for this in the technical forum (not only for your sake but other forums), you can have all the *troll control* you want in this forum, you supply the names and the person can be blocked. It's too bad it was not updated since the upgrade. This forum is already 2 versions behind.

Anyways I am going to have all my posts on my BT account deleted physically (sent out a pm to Justin), and waive off any other project I had in development with him. I don't really plan to use that account - probably extremely sparingly for very special circumstances. I am doing this since it is becoming apparant I have a conflict of interest and I am not going hurt Justin's site's rep. I am going to make a decision about this SHH account in the coming months post of Batman Begins (been waiting 2-3 years) as well.



First off you are being a jerk by pulling up stuff on me like that. Second off 2 of those bannings were mistakes. Care to listen to what happened?

There was a guy spamming ipod stuff so I did a google search for funny pics to say "close thread" or "stfu" and apparently there was no linking allowed and instead of the pics I chose getting posted... This "tubgirl" pic was replaced without me knowing it. I explained the situation and after laughing at me, the ban was pulled.

[JcDc]

I for one, whether or not liking another particular poster would not post info about them like that :down

[jas01724]

I make those comments in response to negative Routh comments most of the time... i.e. turnaboutSo a year ago when I first started viewing SHH!, you were calling Tom a donkey face in response to comments about... who, exactly? ;) I don't think that was Routh. :cool:

[JcDc]

That is so damn shady to post this

"BANNED 02-20-2005, 12:00 PM & UNBANNED on 02-20-2005, 10:16 PM because the pics wouldn't load properly (basically got lucky)."

Clearly if I was unbanned that quickly it's because it was a mistake to ban me in the first place :rolleyes: I explained that I never posted that picture of tubgirl, and it was cleared up. Watch out for hyperlinking folks :o

[JcDc]

So a year ago when I first started viewing SHH!, you were calling Tom a donkey face in response to comments about... who, exactly? ;) I don't think that was Routh. :cool:

That was during the casting wars...

During the casting wars most of the time it was certainly in response to someone else's post. Yes that is correct. Of course there were times when I would say why Welling isn't right for the part :confused:

[Paradoxium]

Ok you explained your situation for the last one, I apoligize. But the original policy would have had you banned by 09-14-2004. There was some mix-up and you ended up being given the freebie, there were other freebies. I know I am sticking my neck out (I probably will get demodded for all this), but I am just sick of seeing the other mods take so much complaints - now Superman is gone. I DO NOT represent them, this is what I think so do not bring them in.

I am hoping with that post it might just slow things down. If you want me to delete fine.

[JcDc]

Ok you explained your situation for the last one, I apoligize. But the original policy would have had you banned by 09-14-2004. There was some mix-up and you ended up being given the freebie, there were other freebies. I know I am sticking my neck out (I probably will get demodded for all this), but I am just sick of seeing the other mods take so much complaints - now Superman is gone. I DO NOT represent them, this is what I think so do not bring them in.

I am hoping with that post it might just slow things down. If you want me to delete fine.


:rolleyes:

They weren't freebies. Each one of those was a result of 1. mistake 2. arguing with some person who chose to resort to flaming. I got off because through investigating I was always found to not be the initiator. I'm here to have fun, and if you notice I don't make personal attacks. This is why I stick around. You were not involved with any of those situations so to try and paint a bad picture of me without the facts is asinine.

[JcDc]

And fyi I didn't go to any mods to get you de-modded. I am discussing your actions with you which I feel are quite an unfair shot against me for the simple fact that I'm giving you a chance to explain yourself as well as hear from me. Misunderstandings happen a lot and I wouldn't sink to the level of asking you to be "demodded" I believe in giving people a second chance. Do I like you posting personal info about me? No. Am I going to give you a chance and discuss things with you? Yep. That's the kind of person I am, in all honesty. If Pat or Serene who hate me would have discussed things out with me, I'd have been willing. I don't get into flaming people at all. But some people choose to not give others a chance. I am not one of those people.

[Paradoxium]

I am not talking about your BAN. Do you really want me to detail what I am talking about?

[JcDc]

I am not talking about your BAN. Do you really want me to detail what I am talking about?


I actually have no earthly idea what you are talking about. PM me and I'll discuss whatever it is you want as maybe you have a misunderstanding about something. :confused: People gossip too much and 2nd hand info is the devil :o

[Paradoxium]

And fyi I didn't go to any mods to get you de-modded. I am discussing your actions with you which I feel are quite an unfair shot against me for the simple fact that I'm giving you a chance to explain yourself as well as hear from me. Misunderstandings happen a lot and I wouldn't sink to the level of asking you to be "demodded" I believe in giving people a second chance. Do I like you posting personal info about me? No. Am I going to give you a chance and discuss things with you? Yep. That's the kind of person I am, in all honesty. If Pat or Serene who hate me would have discussed things out with me, I'd have been willing. I don't get into flaming people at all. But some people choose to not give others a chance. I am not one of those people.I would NEVER post personal info like IPs and all that type of stuff. NEVER. It's my personal code. If there is anything that consistent with me, it is that. But I have a different take when it comes to probations and bans to keep things in line. Although it was sort of cheap shot I suppose, the people here are complaining that certain initiatives were not taken regarding probation/bans. There has to be some examples. Think of it in the long run, at least you won't repeat now know explicitly the position you are in. Honestly you do offer some arguments that are good when it is outside the welling crossfire.

[jas01724]

During the casting wars most of the time it was certainly in response to someone else's post.Great, but if you were to say, "I think his nose is too big," or something similar in reference to anyone, I wouldn't reply with, "Yeah well, at least he doesn't look like a donkey!" There are even manips of Tom's face on a horse, and there will never be an excuse for that. In comparison Pat's comment was utterly staid, yet tell me, whose post was linked to a message board that would tear it apart, and whose wasn't?

The point of turnabout is that everyone is treated and gets away with the same things....

You might be surprised to learn that I'm perfectly fine with your comments about Tom, as long as I can respond that Routh has a bridge larger than the Akashi Kaikyo. Imagine that I'm Pat, for a second: if you get away with "big nostrils, fat lips," and I get hung up like a sacrifice for my comment, do you consider that reasonable?

All I'm asking is that the mods treat everyone equally. Perhaps it's too much to ask?

[JcDc]

Great, but if you were to say, "I think his nose is too big," or something similar in reference to anyone, I wouldn't reply with, "Yeah well, at least he doesn't look like a donkey!" There are even manips of Tom's face on a horse, and there will never be an excuse for that. In comparison Pat's comment was utterly staid, yet tell me, whose post was linked to a message board that would tear it apart, and whose wasn't?

The point of turnabout is that everyone is treated and gets away with the same things....

You might be surprised to learn that I'm perfectly fine with your comments about Tom, as long as I can respond that Routh has a bridge larger than the Akashi Kaikyo. Imagine that I'm Pat, for a second: if you get away with "big nostrils, fat lips," and I get hung up like a sacrifice for my comment, do you consider that reasonable?

All I'm asking is that the mods treat everyone equally. Perhaps it's too much to ask?


As long as you are within the guidelines there are no problems. That's what you have to realize in regards to how the mods deal with things. For example I can comment on a SV episode and say "Ughh I hate how they ripped off SW in that scene." Sure some members might get annoyed personally at me (which again I must use the word "asinine") but I'm perfectly within the guidelines. Now if I'm attacking someone with insults like "You liked that SV episode? Man you are such a stupid f((((ing moron!" then that would be flaming and crossing the line. You see?

[Paradoxium]

You are right James, I don't think treating people equally is possible - to many difficult circumstances (returning banned users, advertising a lot, making threats to female posters). I think the better term is equal consideration.

I admit I am not exactly the biggest Welling fan on earth, this is not directed to anyone but I was kinda driven insane by the blood lust for him from earlier. This is a parting shot (cheap I admit). I won't be around here now and you won't see me at BT as well. I can't guarentee what happens or make promises on how this place is moderated - it is beyond my control.

Later folks.

[jas01724]

As long as you are within the guidelines there are no problems.Theoretically that's true, but as evidenced, that doesn't always happen. If a mod decides to pick on someone just because they can, and with blatant disregard to the "rules of moderating" (that being primarily to set an example to other posters), there are definite problems.

That's what you have to realize in regards to how the mods deal with things.I do. Perhaps I shouldn't have said "mods". I should have specified "mod." There's only one who's gone around doing things that would get normal members a warning...

I think the rest of your post is missing the point of mine... I'm well aware of what flaming is and I wasn't referring to that. As you may have noticed, I had no problem with you saying an episode of Smallville wasn't all that good. I didn't like the most recent one much myself.

You are right James, I don't think treating people equally is possible - to many difficult circumstances (returning banned users, advertising a lot, making threats to female posters). I think the better term is equal consideration.Which is fair enough, as long as there really is some apparent consideration involved. If someone repeatedly comments on one actor, and you do nothing, and then someone else comments similarly on another and you decide to be judge, jury, and executioner... how is that equal consideration, really? Especially when Pat has never caused any particular problems when compared to those instances you mention.

The comments about Tom have been far, far worse than "He needs a nose job" or "his teeth are yellow." But you've never linked any of those posts in order to cause trouble in the way you did Pat's. I really don't know what to say to that. I get that people can have bad days, really I do, but you always seem to pick on the same small group of people.

I used to mod on some pretty big boards, and I would have bad days where I said or did things that were really stupid and upset a lot of people. I ended up quitting for my own sanity, not just for the good of the board...

I admit I am not exactly the biggest Welling fan on earthThat shouldn't matter. I didn't think you were the biggest Routh fan, either, but you're still over on BT feeding Pat to the wolves. I'm sure there's some Welling bashing over on BT that you could link to and give us some of that good old "turnabout".

You've been around SHH! for years, so you must be aware that the Welling bashing over the years has far exceeded (in both viciousness and frequency) anything that has been said about Routh? You've even parcipated in some of it yourself.

It's this kind of thing that has caused many of the Smallville/Welling fans to stop posting on the Supes forum and, to a lesser extent, BT. There's bashing of Tom over there to this day, but if someone goes over there to be negative about Routh they're picked off like a fly. And then when they comment on that, they're told they're imagining it. Nobody's imagining anything, and now there's indisputable evidence to prove it.

[JcDc]

I'm sorry but the honest truth is Pat gets to be very ABRASIVE at times, and she does resort to personal attacks as well. I always let it go, but I have noticed any time we had a "discussion" I would stay on topic and she would manage to get a jab or two in which certainly crosses the line.

[Thunder Emperor]

I'm sorry but the honest truth is Pat gets to be very ABRASIVE at times, and she does resort to personal attacks as well. I always let it go, but I have noticed any time we had a "discussion" I would stay on topic and she would manage to get a jab or two in which certainly crosses the line.


hahah funny you stay on topic. stop defending yourself and discrediting pat and othere. look we all get out of line, even you all high and might jCdC. SO JUST ACCEPT IT AND MOVE ON. :p

[JcDc]

I don't have the habit she does of resorting to personal insults. You must admit that much is true :-/

[jas01724]

I don't have the habit she does of resorting to personal insults. You must admit that much is true :-/I guess it's the difference between being stabbed in the front and in the back.

[JcDc]

I guess it's the difference between being stabbed in the front and in the back.



No. Having an opposing viewpoint of an actor such as Tom Welling and engaging in a discussion is normal. However crossing the line is when you decide to discuss the topic but you have to throw in insults instead of just saying why you disagree. Stabbing you in the back would be to act like you are engaging in the conversation, only to all the sudden throw a needless jab in there.

[Thunder Emperor]

No. Having an opposing viewpoint of an actor such as Tom Welling and engaging in a discussion is normal. However crossing the line is when you decide to discuss the topic but you have to throw in insults instead of just saying why you disagree. Stabbing you in the back would be to act like you are engaging in the conversation, only to all the sudden throw a needless jab in there.


I THINK YOU JUST IRRITATE HER AND YOU DO THAT TO ALOT OF PEOPEL HERE, JUST LIKE YOU RECENT PICTURE POSTING OF BRANDON ROUTH ON THE TOM WELLING SHOULD HAVE BEEN SUPERMAN THREAD. YOU LIKE TO ANTAGONIZE PEOPEL, AND WEHN YOU GET PUSHED BACK, YOU CRY WOLF. LOOK jCdC OWN P AND BE A MAN AND THER EIS NO NEED FOR A FEUD. I GUESS YOU NEVER FELT THE WRATH OF A WOMAN LOL :p

[jas01724]

No. Having an opposing viewpoint of an actor such as Tom Welling and engaging in a discussion is normal. However crossing the line is when you decide to discuss the topic but you have to throw in insults instead of just saying why you disagree. Stabbing you in the back would be to act like you are engaging in the conversation, only to all the sudden throw a needless jab in there.Jc, just admit you're not always an angel. I'm sure as hell not. Pat isn't. But Pat (and for that matter myself) will say it flat out, to your face. A personal insult is infinitely preferable to someone who minces and twists their words to insult you in a backhanded way, and then denies it later.

I'd take someone calling me a moron any day of the week over some of the things you've done on occasion. And in my estimation it's the constant denial of wrongdoing, rather than the act itself, that annoys the most people.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

boy... u guys are really pissed at him arent you? :(

[EEK]

boy... u guys are really pissed at him arent you? :(

i think they have some issues :eek: look through the posts, he didn't do anything wrong. they are jumping on him like women at a shoe sale :eek:

[jas01724]

boy... u guys are really pissed at him arent you? :(No, I'm not pissed at him. I'm just pissed in general with the way certain people are treated around here, and with the hypocritical double standards.

[EEK]

No, I'm not pissed at him. I'm just pissed in general with the way certain people are treated around here, and with the hypocritical double standards.

i think there is a mob mentality in here :eek:

[EEK]

mehzeb, probably best we stay out of it since we know nothing about what happened and the smallville fans are going to automatically side against jc and the movie fans will side with him. me? i side with the eek smiley! :eek:

:up:

:eek:

[JcDc]

Jc, just admit you're not always an angel. I'm sure as hell not. Pat isn't. But Pat (and for that matter myself) will say it flat out, to your face. A personal insult is infinitely preferable to someone who minces and twists their words to insult you in a backhanded way, and then denies it later.

I'd take someone calling me a moron any day of the week over some of the things you've done on occasion. And in my estimation it's the constant denial of wrongdoing, rather than the act itself, that annoys the most people.


Never said I'm an angel. I do think I have a right to post an opinion that differs from the general consensus of the board though. Have you noticed how I can post about ANYTHING on here and if it's a different opinion from you, pat, serene, etc... it's like a crime has been commited? Sometimes I feel you guys are being pretty unfair with me. I come to discuss things from another POV at times and instead of enjoying the discussion you guys get out of hand and resort to insults. Btw you want a hypocrite, check out Thunder Emperor. He's nuttier than I've ever been :p

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

mehzeb, probably best we stay out of it since we know nothing about what happened and the smallville fans are going to automatically side against jc and the movie fans will side with him. me? i side with the eek smiley! :eek:

:up:

:eek:

cant argue with that :up:

[jas01724]

Never said I'm an angel. I do think I have a right to post an opinion that differs from the general consensus of the board though. Have you noticed how I can post about ANYTHING on here and if it's a different opinion from you, pat, serene, etc... it's like a crime has been commited? Sometimes I feel you guys are being pretty unfair with me. I come to discuss things from another POV at times and instead of enjoying the discussion you guys get out of hand and resort to insults. Btw you want a hypocrite, check out Thunder Emperor. He's nuttier than I've ever beenSee now, that's the denial of wrongdoing again. You make it sound like everyone is treating you unfairly and you've never done anything to warrant it.

You do not just come in with a difference of opinion. More often that not you come in with some kind of *****y, backhanded statement under the guise of an innocent difference of opinion.

Spot the difference; the first is a difference of opinion, the second is a pain in the behind looking to pee people off:

1) I don't think Tom Welling looks the part because his facial structure is wrong.
2) I don't think Tom Welling looks the part because his nostrils are huge and his face looks like a donkey.

They're essentially saying the same thing, right? Only the first is polite and tactful. It's easy to say that you just want a nice discussion, but which of those two statements is closer to your own, nine times out of ten? It's no surprise that people go for the jugular whenever you say something.

There's a little phrase that goes something like this: "It's not what you said. It's how you said it."

[JcDc]

See now, that's the denial of wrongdoing again. You make it sound like everyone is treating you unfairly and you've never done anything to warrant it.

You do not just come in with a difference of opinion. More often that not you come in with some kind of *****y, backhanded statement under the guise of an innocent difference of opinion.

Spot the difference; the first is a difference of opinion, the second is a pain in the behind looking to pee people off:

1) I don't think Tom Welling looks the part because his facial structure is wrong.
2) I don't think Tom Welling looks the part because his nostrils are huge and his face looks like a donkey.

They're essentially saying the same thing, right? Only the first is polite and tactful. It's easy to say that you just want a nice discussion, but which of those two statements is closer to your own, nine times out of ten? It's no surprise that people go for the jugular whenever you say something.

There's a little phrase that goes something like this: "It's not what you said. It's how you said it."


You may have a point there, but it seems like some people have seperated from being a Superman fan to being just a Tom Welling fan. With that being the case it doesn't matter how you say anything I guess :o

[Lara]

I guess it's the difference between being stabbed in the front and in the back. :up: :up: :up:
To quote Dr Phil(sorry) Trying to argue with passive-agressive people is like trying to nail Jello to the wall. Jc you push buttons till people react and then hold yourself superior for the behavior you caused.

[Thunder Emperor]

Never said I'm an angel. I do think I have a right to post an opinion that differs from the general consensus of the board though. Have you noticed how I can post about ANYTHING on here and if it's a different opinion from you, pat, serene, etc... it's like a crime has been commited? Sometimes I feel you guys are being pretty unfair with me. I come to discuss things from another POV at times and instead of enjoying the discussion you guys get out of hand and resort to insults. Btw you want a hypocrite, check out Thunder Emperor. He's nuttier than I've ever been :p



you got jokes. i think i will call you number one hypocrite as from now on. casue you are the worst. at least everyone knows where i am coming from. in your case you dance teh wire like a bad politican who wants favors form both sides but doesn't have teh slightest clue in pleasing both. :rolleyes: :p

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Indeed, Bruce! I know the feeling...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/unsafe7.jpg

Thanks for the picture, Pat ! Couldn't find it anywhere. Really loved the look on his eyes and the effect. Though I think there's another shot in which he looks more evil-like doesn't he ?

[Paradoxium]

Especially when Pat has never caused any particular problems when compared to those instances you mention.

The comments about Tom have been far, far worse than "He needs a nose job" or "his teeth are yellow." But you've never linked any of those posts in order to cause trouble in the way you did Pat's. I really don't know what to say to that. I get that people can have bad days, really I do, but you always seem to pick on the same small group of people.

That shouldn't matter. I didn't think you were the biggest Routh fan, either, but you're still over on BT feeding Pat to the wolves. I'm sure there's some Welling bashing over on BT that you could link to and give us some of that good old "turnabout".

You've been around SHH! for years, so you must be aware that the Welling bashing over the years has far exceeded (in both viciousness and frequency) anything that has been said about Routh? You've even parcipated in some of it yourself.

It's this kind of thing that has caused many of the Smallville/Welling fans to stop posting on the Supes forum and, to a lesser extent, BT. There's bashing of Tom over there to this day, but if someone goes over there to be negative about Routh they're picked off like a fly. And then when they comment on that, they're told they're imagining it. Nobody's imagining anything, and now there's indisputable evidence to prove it.


Ok you seen what I done, I acknowledge wholeheartly. In the instance of the anti-Welling posts prior my modship, my unpleasant avatar and that BT post. In fact I have taken my account out at BT, having it reset and retired as a token of promise it won’t happen there – I can pm still at most but I don’t plan to post. If I didn’t mention anything I probably forgot – unintentional. Most times other people would not even think about doing anything like this. Keep mind of this when you read through whole post, I am not painting me or anyone else innocent.

So there you have it.

“Far worse”…

You are right about one thing Welling does get more flack than Routh. Let’s paint more of the picture shall we?

The height of the "Welling Wars" was around Late 2003- Late-August. But the problem is most of the other mods, (ie; Superman) were never promoted during this influx. To have equal consideration during such a period when Superman / C. Lee (who frequent moreso than the ones in the past) were never moderators would be nearly impossible for ALL those months.

Post of Routh and when Superman (mod) took over few anti-Welling gloating threads did not last very long. To consider all that is done in the past is ridiculous – impossible. Having to surf through all that pile of garbage to hold people accountable would be not fun.

It was a vicious cycle, hardly anyone was innocent. A pushed B AND B pushed A. Vicious cycle like I said.

Without naming names, certain people never went to extremes, but the quantity of propaganda in there from a year ago was mind boggling. I still have residual information from that. Like the 75% from the MSNBC poll, the whole public wanting him more angle and thus should be accounted for and how he looks like Reeve. I still remember Mirko getting bashed for not putting Welling in the front page poll, a bloody ****ing poll. To have a different choice for Superman walking down the Superman forum, was like dressing up in a clown suit and walking down Hell’s Kitchen with sign “I have money” slapped on the back.

Welling fans were invading other threads of people (Henry Cavill) who were making a push for and selling the "Welling Word". I still remember those homoerotic Bomer and Dean Cain pictures. I still remember the spinning. The consistency of these "invasions" was what provoked the likes of JcDc to arise. It was hard to spot to these “invasions” and it was an ingenius tactic, almost like an online version of guerrilla warefare. You can post your “information” in a thread and most people wouldn’t realize given the deceiving title. Some attempted this tactic but the success ratio and burning down threads is no where near the Welling stuff; they tried but you guys mastered this tactic. The numbers simply outweighed this - especially in support.

I have been here for 3 years approximately. It would be the first time I EVER at the hype, seen anything that borderline an online cult of that size of an organization. I seen massive support - I was at the Batman forums (I am a Batman fan first), Bale had real support. But the organization and means of getting support, it will NEVER top the stuff I saw at Superman and Tom Welling. I have asked others who were here much longer and they can attest to this fact. I don’t think it will ever topped (hopefully).

I still remember the one thread that seemed to cross borders between anyone was that one lone “I am making a teaser trailer thread”. That was one of the brighter spots to me that I remember, where everyone got along. It ended up getting spawned into a site, hell a Welling fan was accredited for coming up with the name.

A thread like “Tom Welling Should have been Superman” takes the cake for me. You know how hard I biting my tongue not to offer rationales to get closed down behind your backs? It sets up extremely poor precedence. If a thread like this continue on even when the casting issue was addressed already, it deserves flack, it is to me no different from a "Tom Welling is NOT Superman". Criticism and scrutiny must be expected with a thread like that. I was hoping with "that post" in BT, some fanboys would come in and defend but I guess were too cowardly to face the music and bashed Pat from there.

What actually split the group, was the choice of Routh, not because of poor Welling getting bashed only. Pro-Routh went to BT, Wellingites went to Smallville in this thread primarily and the mixed people + some Pro-Routh people (ie; JcDc) stayed behind. When Superman arrived and more order was instilled, that was when I notice a mass decline in the Welling’s pseudo organization – that and the fact Singer wanted an unknown and made it known. That was how I saw the entire thing. I am not saying us non-Welling people are innocent – hardly (I even admit my wrongdoings and others), but if you tell me poor Welling supporters got bashed far worse and are less guilty. That biggest load of bull and you know it. Look at the whole for once, the amount of people from various camps alienated from the Welling push was what created sum or massive support for Routh. Is it any surprising a lot of the supporters for Routh came from Cavill/Bomer/Caviezel etc... supporters? That is WHY Routh seems to have less flack, because of this build-up for over a year or so.

Please don’t think I am generalizing this group. I know some of you did not participate in those little activities. Some of you I have respect greatly, despite the different preference. In fact one of you guys – I nominated and made a push for modship in two forums (I think you know who you are). This position remains unchanged.

You can rip apart my little reply, break it down, anal-yze it to death. Save yourself the time and trouble and please just don't - I do not want stir up old crap. My point is, if I can acknowledge my wrongdoings, how about the others do the same regarding those days of Welling propaganda (edit; BOTH AGAINST AND FOR) and we stop pointing fingers? Is it possible to move on now - that Welling will never be Superman in a movie? Sure there are others who won’t do it (same people who caused you folks some grief) but do you want sink to that? I am over with pointing fingers now - after that BT incident. I needed this release.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

:up: that about wraps it up :up:
*closes eyes... one minute of silence for Paradoxium out of sheer respect*

[BRisSuperman]

I acknowledge my wrong doings

M

[triplet]

I acknowledge my wrong doings

M

muscles? Is that you?

You might get banned again if you're not careful...

[RakuMon]

muscles? Is that you?

You might get banned again if you're not careful...
Yes it is.
Yes he will.

[BRisSuperman]

check out the superman forums for my paragraph on routh and what I feel is a turn for the best out of me.

[darkzombiemutt]

Muscles? dammit, I poured out my entire beer for you thinking you were gone, you s.o.b.

[triplet]

check out the superman forums for my paragraph on routh and what I feel is a turn for the best out of me.

I don't go to the SR forums anymore, so I guess I'll have to forgo reading your missive. I'm sure I'll hear about it, however, the next time you're banned.

Muscles, will you ever learn?

:triplet gives muscles an affectionately indulgent smile and ruffles his hair:

Our comic relief is back... ;) :D

[JcDc]

Ok you seen what I done, I acknowledge wholeheartly. In the instance of the anti-Welling posts prior my modship, my unpleasant avatar and that BT post. In fact I have taken my account out at BT, having it reset and retired as a token of promise it won’t happen there – I can pm still at most but I don’t plan to post. If I didn’t mention anything I probably forgot – unintentional. Most times other people would not even think about doing anything like this. Keep mind of this when you read through whole post, I am not painting me or anyone else innocent.

So there you have it.

“Far worse”…

You are right about one thing Welling does get more flack than Routh. Let’s paint more of the picture shall we?

The height of the "Welling Wars" was around Late 2003- Late-August. But the problem is most of the other mods, (ie; Superman) were never promoted during this influx. To have equal consideration during such a period when Superman / C. Lee (who frequent moreso than the ones in the past) were never moderators would be nearly impossible for ALL those months.

Post of Routh and when Superman (mod) took over few anti-Welling gloating threads did not last very long. To consider all that is done in the past is ridiculous – impossible. Having to surf through all that pile of garbage to hold people accountable would be not fun.

It was a vicious cycle, hardly anyone was innocent. A pushed B AND B pushed A. Vicious cycle like I said.

Without naming names, certain people never went to extremes, but the quantity of propaganda in there from a year ago was mind boggling. I still have residual information from that. Like the 75% from the MSNBC poll, the whole public wanting him more angle and thus should be accounted for and how he looks like Reeve. I still remember Mirko getting bashed for not putting Welling in the front page poll, a bloody ****ing poll. To have a different choice for Superman walking down the Superman forum, was like dressing up in a clown suit and walking down Hell’s Kitchen with sign “I have money” slapped on the back.

Welling fans were invading other threads of people (Henry Cavill) who were making a push for and selling the "Welling Word". I still remember those homoerotic Bomer and Dean Cain pictures. I still remember the spinning. The consistency of these "invasions" was what provoked the likes of JcDc to arise. It was hard to spot to these “invasions” and it was an ingenius tactic, almost like an online version of guerrilla warefare. You can post your “information” in a thread and most people wouldn’t realize given the deceiving title. Some attempted this tactic but the success ratio and burning down threads is no where near the Welling stuff; they tried but you guys mastered this tactic. The numbers simply outweighed this - especially in support.

I have been here for 3 years approximately. It would be the first time I EVER at the hype, seen anything that borderline an online cult of that size of an organization. I seen massive support - I was at the Batman forums (I am a Batman fan first), Bale had real support. But the organization and means of getting support, it will NEVER top the stuff I saw at Superman and Tom Welling. I have asked others who were here much longer and they can attest to this fact. I don’t think it will ever topped (hopefully).

I still remember the one thread that seemed to cross borders between anyone was that one lone “I am making a teaser trailer thread”. That was one of the brighter spots to me that I remember, where everyone got along. It ended up getting spawned into a site, hell a Welling fan was accredited for coming up with the name.

A thread like “Tom Welling Should have been Superman” takes the cake for me. You know how hard I biting my tongue not to offer rationales to get closed down behind your backs? It sets up extremely poor precedence. If a thread like this continue on even when the casting issue was addressed already, it deserves flack, it is to me no different from a "Tom Welling is NOT Superman". Criticism and scrutiny must be expected with a thread like that. I was hoping with "that post" in BT, some fanboys would come in and defend but I guess were too cowardly to face the music and bashed Pat from there.

What actually split the group, was the choice of Routh, not because of poor Welling getting bashed only. Pro-Routh went to BT, Wellingites went to Smallville in this thread primarily and the mixed people + some Pro-Routh people (ie; JcDc) stayed behind. When Superman arrived and more order was instilled, that was when I notice a mass decline in the Welling’s pseudo organization – that and the fact Singer wanted an unknown and made it known. That was how I saw the entire thing. I am not saying us non-Welling people are innocent – hardly (I even admit my wrongdoings and others), but if you tell me poor Welling supporters got bashed far worse and are less guilty. That biggest load of bull and you know it. Look at the whole for once, the amount of people from various camps alienated from the Welling push was what created sum or massive support for Routh. Is it any surprising a lot of the supporters for Routh came from Cavill/Bomer/Caviezel etc... supporters? That is WHY Routh seems to have less flack, because of this build-up for over a year or so.

Please don’t think I am generalizing this group. I know some of you did not participate in those little activities. Some of you I have respect greatly, despite the different preference. In fact one of you guys – I nominated and made a push for modship in two forums (I think you know who you are). This position remains unchanged.

You can rip apart my little reply, break it down, anal-yze it to death. Save yourself the time and trouble and please just don't - I do not want stir up old crap. My point is, if I can acknowledge my wrongdoings, how about the others do the same regarding those days of Welling propaganda (edit; BOTH AGAINST AND FOR) and we stop pointing fingers? Is it possible to move on now - that Welling will never be Superman in a movie? Sure there are others who won’t do it (same people who caused you folks some grief) but do you want sink to that? I am over with pointing fingers now - after that BT incident. I needed this release.



That sums it up perfectly. I guess there is a certain amount of hostility that lingers from time to time on subjects regarding Welling/Routh after all the mele. Of course the new people on here don't have an idea of this history and they end up missing the point of what's actually going on. Bah.

[Serene]

FWIW, I wish everyone who has issues with SV or TW would just go away. Go post your hearts out elsewhere, and leave this ONE place alone. You want to come here to discuss the show, great.. you want to come to stir the pot and let us all know how delusional we are.. bite me. Try reading a few posts to know what threads are *really* about.

I'm done with all of it. GTFU.

On to show discussions and drooling. And not necessarily in that order.

<ahem>
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/unsafe7.jpg

Sometimes a little RedK Clark is just what the doctor ordered. :D

[Sioux]

I agree. This is the Tom Welling thread. Can we get back on topic? Somebody SSSSSSAVVEE MEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

[AgentPat]

...Is it possible to move on nowYES. PLEASE!!! People just want to be left alone to discuss TW-related topics here. Please?

that Welling will never be Superman in a movie?As Serene so aptly put it in a subsequent post, bite me! We have no idea what Warner Bros. may or may not be planning (though we can speculate). We have no clue how good or bad SV will do in its fifth season (though we can take some educated guesses.) And most importantly, we have no FREAKIN' clue what TW's true feelings are (NOW!) about his interest or disinterest in taking his character - along with the rest of the cast and crew - to a TV or feature film. Saying that he will never be Superman in a movie is like us saying... umm... [Pat thinks of something that will sting and cement her reputation once and for all]... that Routh will be the worst Superman ever to don the tights.

Gosh, that felt good! :p

Point is, we DON'T KNOW!!! We can only state our *opinions* of what we *think* MIGHT be the case based on all available information. And Welling's LAST public comments about the subject were completely vague: "...It's the kind of situation where if you speak about it you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. I'd rather be damned if I don't."
- Dreamwatch, #127, April 2005.

I'm moving on now. That okay with you peeps? Good!!! Glad to hear it. :rolleyes:

I agree. This is the Tom Welling thread. Can we get back on topic?Absofreakin'lutely!

One of my favorite scenes from Phoenix (probably my favorite episode ever of SV) was where Clark "lost it" temporarily with Morgan Edge. Edge comes back looking for the package Clark stole for him (the vile of blood, which Jonathan destroyed), and Clark tells Edge he doesn't have it. Edge threatens to call the police on Clark and Clark snaps like a twig in the wind. He pulls the door off Edge's car, yanks Edge out bodily, tells him to leave, and warns him NEVER to come back to Smallville again. (This all takes place while Edge's driver holds a pistol to Clark's head - as if that would stop him LOL.) ;)

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/phoenix2.jpg

Okay, so the best part is right after Edge pulls away. There's this glowing satisfaction on Clark's face - as if he ENJOYED roughing Edge up and flagrantly showing that he had the might to beat the crap out of both men regardless of their petty firepower to resist. The expression lasts for about a second. Then Clark realizes what *could* have happened, and his expression quickly changes to one of concern. The change from his intoxication of power to last minute restraint was subtle and well-acted. Nicely done!! :up:

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/phoenix9.jpg

Nighters folks! Catch ya on the flip side.

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/goodnight.gif

[BlueTights]

lo and behold, I actually agree with Pat on that last one :)

and those are some of the most supermanly pics of Welling I've seen, honestly.

However, much as I might like the scene, I dunno if it's safe to assume that Smallville writers/directors are the ONLY ones capable of crafting such a scene, nor is Welling the only actor capable of playing it. He/They did do a nice job of it, though.

[Serene]

YES. PLEASE!!! People just want to be left alone to discuss TW-related topics here. Please?

As Serene so aptly put it in a subsequent post, bite me!

Yeah, I have a real way with words. I'm like a poet really. :rolleyes:


One of my favorite scenes from Phoenix (probably my favorite episode ever of SV) was where Clark "lost it" temporarily with Morgan Edge. Edge comes back looking for the package Clark stole for him (the vile of blood, which Jonathan destroyed), and Clark tells Edge he doesn't have it. Edge threatens to call the police on Clark and Clark snaps like a twig in the wind. He pulls the door off Edge's car, yanks Edge out bodily, tells him to leave, and warns him NEVER to come back to Smallville again.

I love that scene too. I do have to laugh at the blooper though. Even though Clark rips off the door and throws it, when Edge gets back in the car, the door is suddenly there again. LOL..

[jas01724]

Soooo... Para does a long and rambling post that seems, in essence, to be saying "You deserve what you get, now accept it and shut up!"

To quote him: That [sic] biggest load of bull and you know it.

Hmm, I had time to spare...

Link to my reply so that people aren't forced to read it unless they want to. (http://www.boomspeed.com/jamesascott/blah.html)

I've been reading the boards for far longer than I've been a member, so yes, let's paint the whole picture from every angle, including those that Para missed.

I can go 'round and 'round in circles on things like this for eternity.

[jas01724]

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/phoenix9.jpgFrom alert to drunk in the blink of a... zzzzzzzz! ;)

[triplet]

One of my favorite scenes from Phoenix (probably my favorite episode ever of SV) was where Clark "lost it" temporarily with Morgan Edge. Edge comes back looking for the package Clark stole for him (the vile of blood, which Jonathan destroyed), and Clark tells Edge he doesn't have it. Edge threatens to call the police on Clark and Clark snaps like a twig in the wind. He pulls the door off Edge's car, yanks Edge out bodily, tells him to leave, and warns him NEVER to come back to Smallville again. (This all takes place while Edge's driver holds a pistol to Clark's head - as if that would stop him LOL.)

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/phoenix2.jpg

Okay, so the best part is right after Edge pulls away. There's this glowing satisfaction on Clark's face - as if he ENJOYED roughing Edge up and flagrantly showing that he had the might to beat the crap out of both men regardless of their petty firepower to resist. The expression lasts for about a second. Then Clark realizes what *could* have happened, and his expression quickly changes to one of concern. The change from his intoxication of power to last minute restraint was subtle and well-acted. Nicely done!!

Yes, I absolutely love that scene and that episode! Very suerpmanly and very well acted, I totally agree.

Brilliant scene. Perfectly sets up the confrontation that happens later in the barn.... Edge is a man who doesn't like not having the upper hand.

Brilliant.



http://www.patcostello.com/temp/phoenix9.jpg



Good night and thanks for the post. I love that episode, it's one of my faves.

I watched it just this past weekend to help me get over a certain upset I had a few days back. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif

Nothing better to deal with stress than watching some well acted and well written TV that also happens to include scenes where Tom takes his shirt off! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

LOL!

(Yeah, I can be shallow. What of it?)

[Serene]

Hmm, I had time to spare...

Link to my reply so that people aren't forced to read it unless they want to. (http://www.boomspeed.com/jamesascott/blah.html)

Well damn, James. I don't ever want to be across the bench from you in a court of law. ;) Pretty thorough argument there, complete with detailed points. Nice job.:up:

The only thing I don't agree on is your comment about the posters at B.T. I may not agree with the bulk of them on the most prominent topic, but I consider most of them very decent, likeable people. The forum has gotten a little too hot for me anymore, but I have to say that no one ever gave me grief while I was there for being a SV/TW supporter.

I can go 'round and 'round in circles on things like this for eternity.

I think that calls for trip's famous merry-go-round picture. :)

[triplet]

Well damn, James. I don't ever want to be across the bench from you in a court of law. ;) Pretty thorough argument there, complete with detailed points. Nice job.:up:

Yeah, way to smack him down.



The only thing I don't agree on is your comment about the posters at B.T. I may not agree with the bulk of them on the most prominent topic, but I consider most of them very decent, likeable people. The forum has gotten a little too hot for me anymore, but I have to say that no one ever gave me grief while I was there for being a SV/TW supporter.

The same can't be said for me, main reason why I stopped going over there after about say last October sometime....


I think that calls for trip's famous merry-go-round picture. :)

You mean this one?

http://www.sfrisch.com/images/merry_go.jpg

:D

Happy to oblige!

[jas01724]

The only thing I don't agree on is your comment about the posters at B.T.Heh. A pathetic little idiot (formerly of SHH!) who shall remain unnamed reported me to Justin and got me a warning. Why ? Because after he insulted me -- and I didn't report him for it -- I actually dared to insult him back.

Someone can dish it out but not take it... wuss that he is.

And that seems to be a problem the BT board has as a whole.

I like Justin. I like the main site. But the board is Godawful, and I'm not apologetic for saying so.

[Serene]

I like Justin. I like the main site. But the board is Godawful, and I'm not apologetic for saying so.

No one's asking you to be sweetie. ;)

Here, have a cookie. I promise, I didn't bake them.

[triplet]

No one's asking you to be sweetie. ;)

Here, have a cookie. I promise, I didn't bake them.

LOL!

:D

[BlueTights]

Heh. A pathetic little idiot (formerly of SHH!) who shall remain unnamed reported me to Justin and got me a warning. Why ? Because after he insulted me -- and I didn't report him for it -- I actually dared to insult him back.

Someone can dish it out but not take it... wuss that he is.

And that seems to be a problem the BT board has as a whole.

I like Justin. I like the main site. But the board is Godawful, and I'm not apologetic for saying so.

I love you, too James. :)



Oh, I certainly would. I'm not scared to speak my mind, as evidenced here. I just don't like BT much; Justin is great, the main site is too, but the board is full of Hype rejects with a superiority complex. I'm happy to let them wallow in their own quagmire, thanks muchly.

Come now James... that's just rude.

[jas01724]

Come now James... that's just rude.It is. But so is the treatment I've been given by member(s) of your board, so... I'm sorry, but it's how I feel. It's not your fault.

[triplet]

I love you, too James. :)

We all love you too, Justin. You're a nice guy.


Come now James... that's just rude.

No, it's the truth. I felt the same way.

But like James said, it's not your fault. The whole vibe over there is so anti-Welling it's not even funny.

Once you're known as a Welling/Smallville fan everyone over there seems to have this instant dislike of you.

It's just the way it seems to me, and others I suppose, so I don't peruse your forums at all anymore.

[jas01724]

The whole vibe over there is so anti-Welling it's not even funny.

Once you're known as a Welling/Smallville fan everyone over there seems to have this instant dislike of you.The dislike for me over there stems not from liking Tom and Smallville, but from my daring to say I don't think the movie is looking all that great. And also from pointing out when certain anally-retentive people are completely wrong about something... *ahem*

It's not a matter of being a fan of one thing over another, it's a matter of not falling into line like a good little soldier. Kinda like the Supes forum over here on SHH!, actually...

[Serene]

Once you're known as a Welling/Smallville fan everyone over there seems to have this instant dislike of you.

Keep in mind that there are people like Frantik, TW4Supes, Hulk, and until recently myself, that post there. Granted, notsomuch in the SR threads, but certainly in the Community or SV threads. We all make our choices of where we feel most comfortable though, and sometimes things change.

I've yet to find a place more comfortable than here (in Supes/SV fandom). I think it's the high quality popcorn and the Drooling thread. :D

(and it's not like k-site wants me. Maybe I should go burn a bridge at DTS too. I'm becoming an expert at it. ;))

[BlueTights]

We all love you too, Justin. You're a nice guy.



No, it's the truth. I felt the same way.

But like James said, it's not your fault. The whole vibe over there is so anti-Welling it's not even funny.

Once you're known as a Welling/Smallville fan everyone over there seems to have this instant dislike of you.

It's just the way it seems to me, and others I suppose, so I don't peruse your forums at all anymore.

yeah, I've been trying to crack down on it a bit. The war's just so thick that it's tough, cause you get the anti-welling guys calm, then one person will come in and scream "ROUTH is a TR0L7 a&d W3LLIINg Shuuld B SuppahMan!" and it all goes to hell. And no, that's not in reference to any of you(from the last couple posts), but you must admit there are posters like that who stir the pot unnecessarily.

The vibe here is anti-routh, the vibe there tends to be anti-welling. I do what I can, but I do just wish everyone on both sides would relax and grow up about the whole subject.

[BlueTights]

I've yet to find a place more comfortable than here (in Supes/SV fandom). I think it's the high quality popcorn and the Drooling thread. :D

(and it's not like k-site wants me. Maybe I should go burn a bridge at DTS too. I'm becoming an expert at it. ;))

If it'll help, I'll post my topless shots at the Planet SV forum. . . ;)

nah, it just sucks, cause I really am a big huge fat nerdy smallville fan. I wish there was more discussion of it at The Planet.

[jas01724]

The saddest part of the whole Routh vs. Welling arguments is that a vast majority of the people in this particular forum do their best to forget about the movie entirely most of the time. The arguments such as this one (and Pat's comment that caused the major meltdown) are, more often than not, caused by someone posting pictures of Routh and saying, "Haha! Look how great he is..."

Most of us haven't posted on the Supes forum for months because we just don't want to know.

Maybe Brandon will be great, and the movie will be too, but I'm at the point where I don't even particularly care. Not caring doesn't cause an argument until someone attempts to force you to care.

[triplet]

Keep in mind that there are people like Frantik, TW4Supes, Hulk, and until recently myself, that post there. Granted, notsomuch in the SR threads, but certainly in the Community or SV threads.

True, but you guys weren't over there enough to justify me spending time over there. All my online free-time is taken up by here and DTS... something had to give and I got some flak a time or two, so that one dropped off my radar.

(I probably didn't mean to say that there weren't good people over there, there are, but the trolls by far outnumber the good people once you wander outside the SV forums.)

We all make our choices of where we feel most comfortable though, and sometimes things change.

I've yet to find a place more comfortable than here (in Supes/SV fandom). I think it's the high quality popcorn and the Drooling thread. :D

Here, want some?

http://www.mckinney.to/emoticons/images/emoticons/Popcorn.gif

(and it's not like k-site wants me. Maybe I should go burn a bridge at DTS too. I'm becoming an expert at it. ;))

Hey, you want me to PM Craig for you? You can't PM if you can't get on the forums, right?

I don't know if I have any pull, I'm just a glorified volunteer really, but it couldn't hurt.

[Serene]

yeah, I've been trying to crack down on it a bit. The war's just so thick that it's tough, cause you get the anti-welling guys calm, then one person will come in and scream "ROUTH is a TR0L7 a&d W3LLIINg Shuuld B SuppahMan!" and it all goes to hell. And no, that's not in reference to any of you(from the last couple posts), but you must admit there are posters like that who stir the pot unnecessarily.

Absolutely there are pot stirrers on both sides of the fence.
I do give you credit for trying, especially lately, I have noticed :). I don't envy your position in the slightest. I'm not sure it's a winnable battle, but maybe you should just aim to minimize the bloodshed.

[The vibe here is anti-routh, the vibe there tends to be anti-welling. I do what I can, but I do just wish everyone on both sides would relax and grow up about the whole subject.

Well yeah, there is that. But there is and will continue to be grousing about Routh here, I guarantee it (hell, I'll probably be part of it). Just as I'm sure Welling bashing will continue over yonder. People have to be able to air their griefs, they just need to do it in the right place.. or else suffer the consequences. Accepting responsibility for your own posts.. that's sorta grown up. :)

[Serene]

Here, want some?

http://www.mckinney.to/emoticons/images/emoticons/Popcorn.gif


Hey, you want me to PM Craig for you? You can't PM if you can't get on the forums, right?

Nah, thanks though. I think after 3 emails, several weeks, and public complaining here, the situation is pretty obvious. The ***** of it is, I was defending that very site not so long ago.. I read to damn many forums as is anyway.

Thanks for the popcorn though. :D

[BlueTights]

Absolutely there are pot stirrers on both sides of the fence.
I do give you credit for trying, especially lately, I have noticed :). I don't envy your position in the slightest. I'm not sure it's a winnable battle, but maybe you should just aim to minimize the bloodshed.

I'm a superfan. . .I have a hero complex ;)

It's not my fault I wanna make things better! :D

[triplet]

I'm a superfan. . .I have a hero complex ;)

It's not my fault I wanna make things better! :D

You're my superhero!

:D

Have some popcorn, it's tasty.

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[BlueTights]

actually, I can't stand popcorn. Leftover stigma from when I had braces AGES ago.

[triplet]

actually, I can't stand popcorn. Leftover stigma from when I had braces AGES ago.

How about some flowers instead?

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[jas01724]

actually, I can't stand popcorn. Leftover stigma from when I had braces AGES ago.How about boiled sweets, then? :D

[JcDc]

Back to the discussion before the popcorn talk... ;)

You can say the vibe over there is anti Welling, or you could say the vibe in the SV forum is anti Singer/Routh/new movie because it doesn't have Welling. Either way there is a clash happening between Superman fans :down

I watch Smallville, I have my complaints and all but I haven't sworn it off regardless of my opinion on Welling's acting (or lack there of). But it's still an extension of the Superman universe so I watch (ok he only plays Clark Kent, but still it counts for something). The people over here that claim to not just be a SV fan or casual Supes fan, have sworn off even seeing the movie. I read one poster's comment which said something like "I'm not going to see the new Superman movie, there are other movies that will appeal to me more." I think that's pretty indicative of NOT being a Superman fan. I watched every incarnation of Superman because I'm a fan of the character. Before even knowing what's truly going on with the plot and how well it will be executed, there are people in here swearing off the character they supposedly are a fan of. I think Singer has a good record and could very well pull off a decent movie, logically a good director who likes the character can make a good movie. But... It doesn't star Tom Welling. It's not a cool spiderman like take, or revenge based movie. So because it's sticking to the roots of Superman/Clark's persona and not going MTV generation on us, it's marked as a bad thing. :rolleyes:

Regardless if you are a fan of Superman I find it hard to believe that you can dismiss a movie about him from an established director, without even seeing it first. That's why I say some (not all) are either a SV or Welling fan first, and Superman to them is just secondary or third. Which sucks since he is the reason we even have a Smallville tv series which covers the events of the pre-superman era.

[darkzombiemutt]

I'm actually with you JC, I agree, I don't understand how someone can dis the movie when so little is known about it. Yeah, some things I have heard I havent gotten to cozy with, but that doesnt mean the movie is going to be bad. For al I know if could be the best live action version of Superman ever. Im not going to truely judge it until I brush the popcorn off of my lap and walk out of the theater, get into my car, drive home and spend some time on the couch, thinking about what I just saw.
Tom Welling will always be Superman to me, as well As Chris Reeve and George Reeves, one doesnt have to star in a movie to still be Superman. Hell he doesnt even need the tights for that matter. I give Routh my blessing, Im not looking to "curse" this movie in any way shape or form.
But I do disagree with one comment JC, or more to the point, the way it was used. Welling isn't really just playing Clark Kent, he's playing Kal El, both Superman and Kent in one. Saying he's only playing Kent makes it sound like he's playing someone he really isnt....but thats being nitpicky.

[Sioux]

JC, I've got to disagree with you. Maybe you're not a fan of Welling, and that's certainly your choice, but I think his acting is just fine. I don't care what anyone says, you can't sustain a drama series for four plus years if the lead actor can't act. I would have turned off this show a LOOONG time ago if that were the case. I don't care how good-looking the lead actor is; he's got to make his performance believable and make you care about his character. If you add in the fact that he has to perform against green/blue screens constantly and act against things that are not there, and yet still make them credible -- pretty impressive.

Before anyone tries to convince me otherwise - - don't waste your breathe. You won't change my mind.

[triplet]

JC, I've got to disagree with you. Maybe you're not a fan of Welling, and that's certainly your choice, but I think his acting is just fine. I don't care what anyone says, you can't sustain a drama series for four plus years if the lead actor can't act. I would have turned off this show a LOOONG time ago if that were the case. I don't care how good-looking the lead actor is; he's got to make his performance believable and make you care about his character. If you add in the fact that he has to perform against green/blue screens constantly and act against things that are not there, and yet still make them credible -- pretty impressive.

Before anyone tries to convince me otherwise - - don't waste your breathe. You won't change my mind.

I totally agree with you... I don't know why some people can't see the talent I think is so self-evident.

He's very talented and good looking to boot. He's been praised for his acting and his discipline and work ethic by the people he works with time and time again. He's one of the hardest working actors in television and he holds his own with some of the best actors working in TV.

Pretty impressive.

Actually, thanks to a connection who shall remain nameless, I recently got hold of some dailies from Smallville's first season... Not only is it fascinating to watch, if at times being very boring especially with the MOS shots, it's amazing watching those because they show you how on top of his craft he really is. I'm even more impressed with his talent because of what he'd done in those.

And I thought he was pretty amazing before seeing the dailies, so that's saying a lot.

[Sioux]

I agree, Triplet. Some people knock his performance in the first season, and I don't see it. The first season is where I got hooked on the show, and I was one of the viewers who refused to even give Smallville a chance. When I first heard about this series, I simply wrote it off. It was well over a year before I caught my first episode in reruns on Sunday, and I've been hooked ever since.

I've said it before, Welling emotes very well. He can convey a tremendous amount of information without saying a single word. I love that in an actor. People who criticize Welling's acting I simply tune out. It would be one thing if Welling was a supporting player who appeared once in while in an episode, then you might be able to fake bad or poor acting. Not when you're the lead. I simply could not invest an hour of my time every week for FOUR YEARS if the lead was horrible. Luckily for us, that is definitely not the case. Kudos to Tom.

[Serene]

How about boiled sweets, then? :D

I may regret this, but I have to ask.. What the heck are "boiled sweets?"

[AgentPat]

...I've said it before, Welling emotes very well. He can convey a tremendous amount of information without saying a single word. I love that in an actor. People who criticize Welling's acting I simply tune out. It would be one thing if Welling was a supporting player who appeared once in while in an episode, then you might be able to fake bad or poor acting. Not when you're the lead. I simply could not invest an hour of my time every week for FOUR YEARS if the lead was horrible. Luckily for us, that is definitely not the case. Kudos to Tom.Oh Sioux, stick around. You're in good company. :up: :)

I wrote this a few weeks ago on a SV board but should have posted the transcription here as well. It focuses on Welling and his performances, so it's more appropriate here anyway...

SV has taken a unique and heartwarming approach to making one of the most unrealistic characters in all of fiction relatable on a very human level. The writers didn't stop at just making an audience believe a man could fly - they made us believe in his very existence. Much of that stems from Welling himself. He has a natural pathos that's inherent in his features and acting demeanor making him a perfect casting choice for the young Clark Kent.

Executive producer and post production head Ken Horton was recently interviewed about the show. I think he summed up Welling's appeal as Clark quite nicely:

"Tom has stepped way, way up in is acting technique and his preparation and his understanding of who Clark is and what is expected of Clark. Not only do we not cut around to protect him now, we actually look to him and that character in scenes to fill in the audience to what we want them to think. Tom's really very quietly become a very, very good actor - he's obviously incredibly good looking, so the assumption is he's not a good actor and he really is. He's a very smart guy to begin with, and after the Steve Martin movie, he really seemed focused when he came back.

We were [originally] incredibly careful with our presentation of Tom. During year one in any scene he was in, we would go okay, our number one goal is to make Superman look good, so how do we do it? What do we take out, what looks do we give, etc.? Quite honestly, it was a defensive mode - we were making sure he never looked bad, sticking to the no bad film policy. He never looked bad. The more confidence he gained, it just became the opposite - he became the go to guy. Originally, because his character was so naive he didn't have to say much - a lot of puppy dog looks were perfect. The way he looked and a little bit of pathos on his part went a long, long way. He has moved past that now, but I still believe that the character succeeds because that element is never completely gone. The minute he becomes 'Superman,' the character for me loses the element that makes him human, that keeps him attached to us, and I think he feels far more human than other Clarks I've seen before...

I was doing a different series when they did the pilot, but we would talk all the time and I read it and I loved what they had done because they made this Clark far more vulnerable than other Clarks you have seen before. He is superhuman in strength, speed, looks and everything, yet he has legitimate issues. He has a very pained existence, and he bears that pain. That's what makes him far more interesting for me than the traditional Superman who just went around saving people."

I've seen quite a few interviews like this, and they all boil down to an appreciation of how much Welling has learned and improved, how much he's grown into the character over the years, and how effortless his portrayal has become. It's a testament to how well this 28 yo actor pulls off his teen-aged persona every time somebody calls him "Superboy." The man is obviously doing his job, and doing it well.

[triplet]

I may regret this, but I have to ask.. What the heck are "boiled sweets?"

Is that the same as sweet breads? Yucky.

[JcDc]

Don't just take that one thing out of everything I said in that comment. It's like Obi Wan told Anakin "You are focusing on the negative." It bothers me when people just pick out the negative part of my post and don't recognize everything I'm saying as a whole :down

I find Tom to be quite bland at times. I have to be honest. I'm not saying he's a bad actor, but he's just kind of bland. He doesn't stretch his emotions to far, there was a joke manip a while back that showed Tom sad, happy, angry, concernered, etc... and it was one picture of him repeated. Funny but to the point. As for the look he has, it's more GQ imo. Like he's the lead singer of Incubus or something. It works for this generation, and certainly works for tv... BUT I just don't think Welling has the traditional look or style that relates to the comics well. It's fun to watch but it's more like Peter Parker with Superman's abilities. Meh. With that being the case I just don't feel he's right for the big screen. I wouldn't mind his take on an early Superman for a tv series "Metropolis" btw :up: Hope that's a possibility.

[JcDc]

JC, I've got to disagree with you. Maybe you're not a fan of Welling, and that's certainly your choice, but I think his acting is just fine. I don't care what anyone says, you can't sustain a drama series for four plus years if the lead actor can't act. I would have turned off this show a LOOONG time ago if that were the case. I don't care how good-looking the lead actor is; he's got to make his performance believable and make you care about his character. If you add in the fact that he has to perform against green/blue screens constantly and act against things that are not there, and yet still make them credible -- pretty impressive.

Before anyone tries to convince me otherwise - - don't waste your breathe. You won't change my mind.


Here is the difference between putting yourself as a fan of Superman first, or a fan of the actor first.

Everyone knows how I don't think Tom would be right for the big screen adaption. But if he were signed on to play Superman. I would still be one of the FIRST into the theatre to watch the movie. I mean... It's SUPERMAN people!!! Whether you got the actor you want to play the part, whoever is making the decisions chose so for a reason. If multiple screen tests determined Welling was right for the part in Singer's eyes I may not have liked it. But I would NOT have sworn off the movie. I would have thought "Well it's still a Superman movie and I've been waiting for a new one forever, I'll give it a chance and maybe with an established director we can get the performance needed for a great movie :up: "

That's the attitude I would expect from a Superman fan. So when I see people say "I want Welling! Smallville rules! Routh shouldn't be Superman so I won't see the movie" that to me is basically putting Superman secondary or even third. If your thought process is Welling>Smallville>Superman you could never be happy with a faithful adaption of the character. No matter how good the movie could be with someone else, it's not your actor of choice so you are basically choosing Welling (for example) OVER the character of Superman. Some fan you are if that's the case :rolleyes:

[Serene]

I just realized that I keep confusing Pat and BT's posts, because they're avatars are so similar!

'Course, I prefer Pat's. ;)

[mellyM]

Whats wrong with likeing Tom Welling more than Superman?

[triplet]

Whats wrong with likeing Tom Welling more than Superman?

Because you're not a real Superman fan if you do. Cha.

:rolleyes:

[triplet]

I just realized that I keep confusing Pat and BT's posts, because they're avatars are so similar!

'Course, I prefer Pat's. ;)

Actually, I like yours a lot... yummy.

[Serene]

Whats wrong with likeing Tom Welling more than Superman?

Not a darn thing, Melly. :)

There are no rules. Some of us even like them both. ;)

[AgentPat]

Whats wrong with likeing Tom Welling more than Superman?Psst.... Melly, Tom Welling IS Superman. :p

Sorry, couldn't resist.

And with that, I'm off to the Land of Nod. Nighters folks! :)

[EEK]

Here is the difference between putting yourself as a fan of Superman first, or a fan of the actor first.

Everyone knows how I don't think Tom would be right for the big screen adaption. But if he were signed on to play Superman. I would still be one of the FIRST into the theatre to watch the movie. I mean... It's SUPERMAN people!!! Whether you got the actor you want to play the part, whoever is making the decisions chose so for a reason. If multiple screen tests determined Welling was right for the part in Singer's eyes I may not have liked it. But I would NOT have sworn off the movie. I would have thought "Well it's still a Superman movie and I've been waiting for a new one forever, I'll give it a chance and maybe with an established director we can get the performance needed for a great movie :up: "

That's the attitude I would expect from a Superman fan. So when I see people say "I want Welling! Smallville rules! Routh shouldn't be Superman so I won't see the movie" that to me is basically putting Superman secondary or even third. If your thought process is Welling>Smallville>Superman you could never be happy with a faithful adaption of the character. No matter how good the movie could be with someone else, it's not your actor of choice so you are basically choosing Welling (for example) OVER the character of Superman. Some fan you are if that's the case :rolleyes:


Interesting :o

[jas01724]

Everyone knows how I don't think Tom would be right for the big screen adaption.Indeed. Just like some don't think others are right for it... next.

But if he were signed on to play Superman. I would still be one of the FIRST into the theatre to watch the movie. I mean... It's SUPERMAN people!!!I wouldn't be going regardless of who's in it, I don't go to the cinema... next.

Whether you got the actor you want to play the part, whoever is making the decisions chose so for a reason.Indeed. :cool:

Next.

If multiple screen tests determined Welling was right for the part in Singer's eyes I may not have liked it. But I would NOT have sworn off the movie.No, but having seen your posts for over a year, I guarantee you'd have taken every given opportunity to state your distaste for the choices that had been made. Which sounds a little familiar... next.

I would have thought "Well it's still a Superman movie and I've been waiting for a new one forever, I'll give it a chance and maybe with an established director we can get the performance needed for a great movie :up: "Strange. I thought most people were at least holding onto a sliver of hope that maybe this will be a good movie. They're just not particularly expecting it to be, anymore than I'm sure you would in your own hypothetical situation... next.

That's the attitude I would expect from a Superman fan.Not if they're a Superman fan who wants a great movie to continue the mythos rather a mediocre one to make the the studios some moolah... next.

So when I see people say "I want Welling! Smallville rules! Routh shouldn't be Superman so I won't see the movie" that to me is basically putting Superman secondary or even third.You were doing so well, you almost went a whole post without mentioning B.J. Tut tut. Anyhoo. Liking Tom more than the character is a right you can't take away... next.

I'll skip quoting all the rest because I never wanted Tom in the movie anyway... nex - oh wait, there is no next. *pouts*

[EEK]

i think it works better to quote a post,. then respond to it with another post. picking a part a sentence at a time kind of screws up the meaning. at least for me anyways. oh well as you say next ;)

[Thunder Emperor]

I'm actually with you JC, I agree, I don't understand how someone can dis the movie when so little is known about it. Yeah, some things I have heard I havent gotten to cozy with, but that doesnt mean the movie is going to be bad. For al I know if could be the best live action version of Superman ever. Im not going to truely judge it until I brush the popcorn off of my lap and walk out of the theater, get into my car, drive home and spend some time on the couch, thinking about what I just saw.
Tom Welling will always be Superman to me, as well As Chris Reeve and George Reeves, one doesnt have to star in a movie to still be Superman. Hell he doesnt even need the tights for that matter. I give Routh my blessing, Im not looking to "curse" this movie in any way shape or form.
But I do disagree with one comment JC, or more to the point, the way it was used. Welling isn't really just playing Clark Kent, he's playing Kal El, both Superman and Kent in one. Saying he's only playing Kent makes it sound like he's playing someone he really isnt....but thats being nitpicky.



its very easy to diss this movie. ehrn clearly the movie shows the lack of originality, by using donners flicks as a vague history connection. singer is a good director and i though the was smart a enough to develop his own script ideas without linking it to previous incarnations. I satated in the superman boards, that if he had he own origanl superman either eestablish or original and decided to give nods to whatever incarnation. the movie will be great cause while watching somethign fresh, you see the influences and the nods of appreciation to the different incarnations of superman. that is what i expected from singer.

but so far i see a superman the movie replica set. don't mind the barn, but krypton will be the same, using the same jor-el, FOS is the same. Also Routh who looks good as a reeve clone, to me shows a very feel safe approach and not sense of originality and freshness. All the peole over in the superman boards can lie all the want, but we all wanted to see a movie with a storyline heavily based of the comics, we all wanted to see a fresh more realistic verisons of FOS and krypton. We all wanted to a fresh take on clark, either it be BR or Welling. I think most people are blinded by the fact that they want a movie so bad they can't are satisfied with whatever scraps are thrown at them and then call it the best thing ever. those are just a few reason form the little we know that give people the reason to be dispeased with this movie, and I won't even go to lois and kid. :o

[EEK]

in fairness you can't assume that just because singer said he would have some nods to donner that we won't see a fresh take on anything. ever think he's making clark a nerd because that's how he's been written in the comics for decades???? he made xmen. he is smart enough to capture the essence of the character but he's also covering his tracks? you know why? because during the time of all other directors all people said was donner can not be topped and he's a genius. so to put people at ease he said that there would be nod to donner film. basicaly he thought people would feel comfort from this but in reality like with xmen he would make the characters how he needs them to be. but now instead of competing with the idea of totally restarting he is simply saying there will be a feel of the donner classic which kept him close to the comics, but he won't be tied down to it. tried pleasign everyone with his statements but then people who said they wanted donner type stuff flip flopped.

[Thunder Emperor]

You said it there, if the belief is donner can not be topped, then don't connect it in anyway vague or whatever. Yes singer is good, but as a comic book fan, x-men was nto as good as generally viewed but that is just too much talk.

[Lara]

Whats wrong with likeing Tom Welling more than Superman? It's a bizzare internet geek hiarchy ;) Everyone is trying to out geek each other. (does bet nerd voice) "No I am the true fan of Superman witness my large comic book collection and the S tatooed to my chest Smallville is a basterdization it clearly states in volume 45 page 12"
Somehow we're actually supposed to be impressed by people being geekier....the king of the geeks is still a geek :D

[triplet]

It's a bizzare internet geek hiarchy ;) Everyone is trying to out geek each other. (does bet nerd voice) "No I am the true fan of Superman witness my large comic book collection and the S tatooed to my chest Smallville is a basterdization it clearly states in volume 45 page 12"
Somehow we're actually supposed to be impressed by people being geekier....the king of the geeks is still a geek :D

LOL!

This is the funniest thing because it's so true. We geeks always try to outgeek each other, don't we?

Too funny...

[triplet]

Although this isn't directly related to The Fog (the film isn't mentioned at all), I thought it might be good reading:

April 20, 2005, 9:16AM

Horror remakes providing Hollywood with cheap thrills (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/headline/entertainment/3140584)

By BRUCE WESTBROOK
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle
Remakes and big-budget films have long been Hollywood staples, but studios are finding success by embracing the former without the usual cumbersome costs.

The Amityville Horror was last weekend's box office champ, earning $23.3 million and proving that fans are still hungry for remakes of horror, sci-fi and action thrillers, even if they lack star power.

Such "genre" films' spawn may not be prestigious but can be hugely profitable.

Two 2004 horror remakes — The Grudge and Dawn of the Dead — cost a combined $36 million to make, then earned a combined $169 million at the box office.

The previous year, a Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake cost $9 million to produce, then earned $80 million in America and another $26 million abroad.

On the flip side was the sci-fi chiller The Stepford Wives. Boosting its budget with mainstream stars (Nicole Kidman, Glen Close) and lavish but witless special effects, it cost $90 million and earned just $59 million.

Despite Stepford's flop, Hollywood hasn't given up on the big-budget remake. Several comedies and family films cooked up from '60s and '70s recipes are getting pricey new faces this year.

Among these are The Pink Panther, with Steve Martin in Peter Sellers' classic role; Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, with Johnny Depp in Gene Wilder's part from Willie Wonka; The Longest Yard, with Adam Sandler replacing Burt Reynolds; and The Bad News Bears, with Billy Bob Thornton in for Walter Matthau.
TV has also been mined for source material, with Nicole Kidman and Will Ferrell set to appear in Bewitched.

Such stars are costly: Depp earned $18 million for Charlie and Kidman $17.5 million for Bewitched, but since stars can propel films to jackpots, studios gamble on them.

By contrast, The Grudge had only Sarah Michelle Gellar, while Dawn of the Dead and Texas Chainsaw were star-free.

These genre films' success speaks volumes about young people's renewed hunger for horror.

"If it looks scary, they'll go," said Paul Dergarabedian, president of Exhibitor Relations Co., a Los Angeles firm that tracks the film industry. "When the concept is horror, today's young audience can buy that, whether they know the original or not."

With this youthful orientation, remakes must be marketed "essentially as brand-new product," he said. "With a remake, often they're for films released well before the target audience was born. I bet if I asked a dozen 20-year-olds if The Longest Yard is a remake, they'd probably say no."

But even if they haven't seen the original, a remake can have name-brand cachet. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre was a pop-culture touchstone. Assault on Precinct 13, whose remake flopped, was not.

Even with name value, last year was unkind to mainstream remakes like Alfie, which cost $60 million and earned $13 million, and The Flight of the Phoenix, which cost $45 million and earned $20 million.

All this may not bode well for the new Pink Panther and Bad News Bears. But the year's action, horror and sci-fi remakes should pay off.

Amityville Horror found life in a franchise that had been dormant since the '80s. Due May 6 is House of Wax, remaking a 1953 Vincent Price film.

The latter should be typical horror redux: done on the cheap but with grisly effectiveness. Shot in Australia, House of Wax has Paris Hilton in a not-so-stellar cast. But a slasher slant should pay dividends in a market cozying up to fear fests.

The year's biggest remakes should be two sci-fi films with scary sides: June 29's The War of the Worlds and Dec. 14's King Kong.

Costing a reported $150 million, the reprise of 1933's King Kong is what Peter Jackson ached to make while helming Hobbit films. As for War of the Worlds, first done in '53, the remake has Steven Spielberg as director and Tom Cruise as star. Game over. The first time they teamed was 2002's Minority Report, a sci-fi success that earned $358 million worldwide.

"It goes in cycles, and '05 seems to be a year of remakes," Dergarabedian said, "While there's a lack of originality, they're a good way for studios to mine their vaults of pre-tested product and can be produced in a way that makes them original. That said, every film has to rise and fall on its own merits."

bruce.westbrook@chron.com (bruce.westbrook@chron.com)

[Sioux]

First of all, JC, you always seem to manage to take a "Tom Welling" statement and flip it around back to Superman Returns. I wasn't even commenting on the movie. I was commenting on Smallville and Welling's enormous contribution to the show.

Secondly, I take the negative things you say because they jump out at me when I read your posts. And you did say a negative thing about Tom: "his acting ability (or lack thereof)," to which I posted my reply. Now, I'm not yelling at you or ranting or screaming. You made a statement, and I made a counter argument. Very simple. No fireworks necessary.

You can't quite figure out why people pounce on you when you say stuff like that, therefore, allow me to enlighten you: You are on a "Tom Welling Thread." Just for your information, it usually means that the thread will be pro-Tom Welling, and if you make a statement like the one above, which is so ludicruous, I have to call you on it. When I do, you got all bent out of shape.

I've got that you don't care for Welling, but please don't make every Welling comment a Superman Returns argument. I'm completely done with that whole thing, and if you read my post, I spoke about his acting in Smallville's first season - never mentioned the movie once.

[Serene]

It's a bizzare internet geek hiarchy ;)

I've posted this before (I think) but it always cracks me up. It's a little too close for comfort I think. ;)

http://www.brunching.com/images/geekchartbig.gif

[AgentPat]

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/pariah5.jpg

:(

[JcDc]

First of all, JC, you always seem to manage to take a "Tom Welling" statement and flip it around back to Superman Returns. I wasn't even commenting on the movie. I was commenting on Smallville and Welling's enormous contribution to the show.

Secondly, I take the negative things you say because they jump out at me when I read your posts. And you did say a negative thing about Tom: "his acting ability (or lack thereof)," to which I posted my reply. Now, I'm not yelling at you or ranting or screaming. You made a statement, and I made a counter argument. Very simple. No fireworks necessary.

You can't quite figure out why people pounce on you when you say stuff like that, therefore, allow me to enlighten you: You are on a "Tom Welling Thread." Just for your information, it usually means that the thread will be pro-Tom Welling, and if you make a statement like the one above, which is so ludicruous, I have to call you on it. When I do, you got all bent out of shape.

I've got that you don't care for Welling, but please don't make every Welling comment a Superman Returns argument. I'm completely done with that whole thing, and if you read my post, I spoke about his acting in Smallville's first season - never mentioned the movie once.



Umm smallfry, there is nothing for me "figure out"

Had you not seen the big 3, Agent Pat, Jas, and Serene on my tail you wouldn't even have said a thing to me. You think it helps your status by joining in with them, but really it just makes you look like less of an individual. :o

[Sioux]

What's the matter, JC, don't like having another on your tail?

[AgentPat]

What's the matter, JC, don't like having another on your tail?Ignore 'em, Sioux. Not worth the effort, j'know?

Anyhoo...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/exile8.jpg

:D

[JcDc]

What's the matter, JC, don't like having another on your tail?


You just don't warrant the status, sorry :o Basically you don't know the history of anything going on. You just see there are 3 people talking smack to me, and you join in because you are new and want recognized. Common occurence, you wish to be important and join in on something blind with no knowledge. It's ok little one :p Dunno if I'll bother responding to you much anymore as Agent Pat and the others I mentioned might not like me, but we have a history so I don't mind to keep discussing with them. I see you as nothing of importance though. Don't take offense, just letting you know why your remarks don't mean much to me. I like real opinions, real discussions, not joining in with no knowledge to get people saying "yeah bro you flamed him good, you are on our team now!" :)

[\Superman/]

Just reading through these posts I gotta say, the gang up on JcDc for having opinions is absurd. Though I don't know the history of it all, from what I see right now there are a few bad apples and he ain't one of em :o

You guys need to respect eachother more :down

[JcDc]

Just reading through these posts I gotta say, the gang up on JcDc for having opinions is absurd. Though I don't know the history of it all, from what I see right now there are a few bad apples and he ain't one of em :o

You guys need to respect eachother more :down


Thanks :up: I don't resort to personal attacks, and do my best not to respond to them.

[Thunder Emperor]

Just reading through these posts I gotta say, the gang up on JcDc for having opinions is absurd. Though I don't know the history of it all, from what I see right now there are a few bad apples and he ain't one of em :o

You guys need to respect eachother more :down



he is a big boy, he can take a few *****slaps here or there :rolleyes: :joker:

[JcDc]

he is a big boy, he can take a few *****slaps here or there :rolleyes: :joker:


It's all about the attitude. I just discuss the topic and let things go when these people get out of hand. I do get offended by Triplet that we discuss stuff outside of Smallville related and become friends... Then because she doesn't like my opinions on the show and movie I get put on ignore and told she's ending our friendship. What a silly thing to end a friendship over. Unless I'm quoting you specifically, I'm talking in general about the subject. It sucks that she didn't see that, I never made a post against the show to upset her. Ah well. I can't apologize for having my own opinion. If you ever read this triplet I hope you are doing well and realize it's a dumb thing to throw a friendship away on :down

[\Superman/]

It's all about the attitude. I just discuss the topic and let things go when these people get out of hand. I do get offended by Triplet that we discuss stuff outside of Smallville related and become friends... Then because she doesn't like my opinions on the show and movie I get put on ignore and told she's ending our friendship. What a silly thing to end a friendship over. Unless I'm quoting you specifically, I'm talking in general about the subject. It sucks that she didn't see that, I never made a post against the show to upset her. Ah well. I can't apologize for having my own opinion. If you ever read this triplet I hope you are doing well and realize it's a dumb thing to throw a friendship away on :down


It sucks to be interested in a subjects and not have people who just want to discuss it. I mean, it's an open forum and if you are interested in talking about a certain subject they can't act like they own the board and tell you what to say. As for whatever happened with your friend- stop trying to rationalise her actions. If Triplet stopped being your friend and talking to you because she doesn't like your opinions that is some lameness right there. As you said you wuold have quoted her if you meant to direct your comments at her. Not everything i say on a forum is directed at one person so they have to be paranoid or something to think that :o

[triplet]

It sucks to be interested in a subjects and not have people who just want to discuss it. I mean, it's an open forum and if you are interested in talking about a certain subject they can't act like they own the board and tell you what to say. As for whatever happened with your friend- stop trying to rationalise her actions. If Triplet stopped being your friend and talking to you because she doesn't like your opinions that is some lameness right there. As you said you wuold have quoted her if you meant to direct your comments at her. Not everything i say on a forum is directed at one person so they have to be paranoid or something to think that :o

You know what, it's really phucking late and I'm tired but I have to respond to this.

Look. It's not any of your business what went on between me and Jc, but you musta quoted him with the thought in mind that I'd read what he said since he's still on ignore...

It did the trick. I read what he said.

But let me give you a tip: You should stay out of it next time.

You have no idea about the history here, but as long as Jc wants this laundry airing done out in the open, I'll oblige.

Jc:

It's a lot more complicated than just you bashing Welling, which you do constantly, or my disagreeing with your posts although those are annoying enough. I could probably forgive you that, if that is all that was, like I forgive my sister for her bashing of Democrats and her love of Bush.

But a few weeks back it seemed like time after time I had something good to say about Tom Welling or his acting, you had something contrary to say about it in return.

I felt like you were going out of your way to bash him to get a rise out of me. I don't know why I felt that way, but I did.

And our posts back and forth seemed to have crossed the line from being playful to being testy, for some reason.

Why that happened, I don't know.

Maybe you can't understand my fascination with Welling, especially given what you think about him, or my devotion to the show.

But to go out of your way to constantly bash him even in replies to my posts, challenging me constantly like that, and to bash Wellingites in general (irregardless of whether the comments were directed to me or not). Well, it was too much.

My feelings got hurt. I think understandably so. You constantly disparage the show and Welling and the show's fans. Even mocking other people's opinions of the movie, or anything for that matter, if they disagree with you and their profile or avatar has anything to do with Smallville.

The last straw was when you pointedly taunted me in a post title on a reply (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?postcount=4689&p=5492937) I made to some bash somebody made about Tom Welling.

I tried to PM you about that and got no reply.

I am fed up to hearing you say what fools Welling fans are, how stupid or crazy or <fill-in-the-blank> we all are. Or worse that we are not "true" Superman fans because we prefer a TV show over Singer's movie.

How can I read that from you and still accept your word that you weren't talking about me?

How can you not be?

I am probably one of the biggest posters on this forum. I have a lot invested in my Smallville fandom. I do episode reviews for k-site and I've even written a Smallville spec script.

A script you read.

A script which you off-handedly dismissed as a filler episode.

Although I acted casually about it at the time, that seemingly benign comment hurt me more than you can ever know.





But back to the main reason for my disaffection with you, Jc:

When you constantly snipe at Welling fans and Smallville fans, for whatever reason, you are also sniping at me.

If you can't understand how hurt I feel after reading some of the nasty comments you make about Welling fans (a group of which I am a member), then I feel doubly justified in ending our nascent friendship.

You clearly have no idea who I am or what is important to me.

[Sioux]

Agent Pat, I'm going to take your advice and ignore him. The fact that I would actually have to explain that he is baiting the people on this board is not worth the time. Triplet nailed it with her comments about him - that's exactly what he does. He constantly makes snide, insulting comments. Then acts like he did nothing wrong. Whatever. I'm ignoring him.

Anyway - great pictures. You have some of the best I've seen. It appears that the next episode, "Blank," is going to be really good, but I'm not sure how I feel about Chloe knowing so much about Clark. Here's the real question: Chloe just thinks that Clark is a meteor freak, if I'm not mistaken. How will she react, as a reporter, when she finds out he's an alien? I mean that's the story of ALL stories for someone like her. Now I don't think she'll betray him, but I wonder about those journalistic instincts.

[mellyM]

Agent Pat, I'm going to take your advice and ignore him. The fact that I would actually have to explain that he is baiting the people on this board is not worth the time. Triplet nailed it with her comments about him - that's exactly what he does. He constantly makes snide, insulting comments. Then acts like he did nothing wrong. Whatever. I'm ignoring him.

Anyway - great pictures. You have some of the best I've seen. It appears that the next episode, "Blank," is going to be really good, but I'm not sure how I feel about Chloe knowing so much about Clark. Here's the real question: Chloe just thinks that Clark is a meteor freak, if I'm not mistaken. How will she react, as a reporter, when she finds out he's an alien? I mean that's the story of ALL stories for someone like her. Now I don't think she'll betray him, but I wonder about those journalistic instincts.

You're right, the best way to handle attention seekers is to ignore them.

I think Chloe learned that the people she cares about have to come before "the story"..she learned it the hard way. I wonder how (and if) she'll find out he's an alien..maybe an amenesiac Clark comes out and says something like 'my parents are nuts, they think I'm an alien!" lol...I know she must realize now he's not a meteor freak. I really can't wait to find out how this ep goes:)

[Serene]

Look. It's not any of your business what went on between me and Jc, but you musta quoted him with the thought in mind that I'd read what he said since he's still on ignore...

What a interesting coinkydink.. Several of us have Jc on ignore, and suddenly there's a "new" person in here quoting Jc's posts so we all have the pleasure (gag) of seeing them. Not too suspicious... :rolleyes:

*coughsockpuppetcough*
(and I'm sure it's not the first..)

Back to what's important...I've been wondering how they are going to get Chloe to find out that Clark's not a meteor freak, but an alien. So in Blank is she going to tell him that he's a meteor freak??? I assume his parents will fillm him in, or somehow the Blanking will be reversed before the end of the ep.

[AgentPat]

Indeed! The LAST thing you do when you register on *any* board for the first time is get in the middle of a pre-existing argument. If you've been surfing the Net for more than a week you KNOW that. It's not a noob mistake. :o

Anyway, topic? Ah yes...

...Anyway - great pictures. You have some of the best I've seen.Hey, thanks!! :D

I recently started a thread on another board for the artsy stuff because it's so much fun when you have great subject matter. It also helps put people back on track. Well, most of the time. It hasn't been working recently though. LOL :rolleyes:

It appears that the next episode, "Blank," is going to be really good, but I'm not sure how I feel about Chloe knowing so much about Clark. Here's the real question: Chloe just thinks that Clark is a meteor freak, if I'm not mistaken. How will she react, as a reporter, when she finds out he's an alien? I mean that's the story of ALL stories for someone like her. Now I don't think she'll betray him, but I wonder about those journalistic instincts.Well, in Duplicity, she said it would be the story of the century, or something along those lines, for the Daily Planet. BUT, she also regretted starting the Wall of Weird in Pariah when she found out (to her understanding) that her best friend was a "meteor freak."

Based on the spoilers, it looks like Chloe takes Clark home after he loses his memory. She probably doesn't say much to him about his abilities but knows she's gotta get him home before he does something "super" (LOL) by accident in front of somebody. Looks like his first act is to pull the front door off his house. "Musta been stuck." "Actually, I think it was locked." LOL!! (This episode is gonna be a freakin' RIOT!)

Now I'm *assuming* somewhere in this episode she finds out the real deal, probably from Clark's parents, after she either admits to them directly, or Clark just says something to them later about being a meteor freak. If it's the latter, I'm gonna have to hold my sides from laughing 'cause that will be beyond hilarious to see their reactions. (Have I said recently how much I'm looking forward to this episode?)

I don't think (I hope not, anyway) that Chloe will be "blanked" at the end of the ep, though Lois and Sheriff Adams will HAVE to be. I sort of remember somewhere that the memory loss was short term memory, so maybe they only forget the last few days. Chloe has "known" about Clark longer than that.

Anyhoo, on another topic, with all of the discussion of the size of the Superman logo recently, I've gained a renewed appreciation for SV's take on it. There's an in-depth episode description in the Official Season 2 Companion book on Exodus where they talk a little about the tattoo logo. Of all the iconic images from SV, Clark's chest scar ranks right up there with his being strung up on a "cross" in the pilot episode. I thought folks would find this interesting...

Here's Brian Harding's original design conception for the Kryptonian tattoo:
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/drawing.jpg

As seen in the episode:
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/exodus.jpg

Excerpts from the book:
Clark returns to the cellar "and stands up to the voice of his father," Beck continues, "and for his trouble gets knocked up into the upper corner of the cellar and gets a high-temperature tattoo job on his chest."

"Brian Harding did a lot of really nice work on the tattoo," Mat Beck notes. "The idea was to make it look like it's burning out of his chest from the inside. Any effect integrated with human skin is always challenging, because tracking it from one shot to another is always an adventure."

I think they altered the design *slightly* for subsequent episodes. It appears to be a tad larger and more elongated. The phone booth scenes have the scar go over the second row of ab muscles and down about four to six inches north of his navel. Um... can you say SEXY? LOL!! If the SUIT logo looked just like this - but was an \S/ verses an \8/ of course - I'd be as happy as a clam on a mud flat. Damn, does this look GOOD!! *sigh*

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/exile2.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/exile.jpg

[Serene]

Here's Brian Harding's original design conception for the Kryptonian tattoo:
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/drawing.jpg

That's really cool. I should get that book. Is it worth the read?

I think they altered the design *slightly* for subsequent episodes. It appears to be a tad larger and more elongated. The phone booth scenes have the scar go over the second row of ab muscles and down about four to six inches north of his navel. Um... can you say SEXY? http://www.patcostello.com/temp/exile2.jpg
Umm.. yeah. SEXY! Isn't it nice to have such distinct enough ab muscles that counting them can actually be used as a descriptor? LOL! :up:

I like the elongated version a bit more. The special effects on that initial burning when it appeared, and the subsequent flarings were soo well done.

[triplet]

What a interesting coinkydink.. Several of us have Jc on ignore, and suddenly there's a "new" person in here quoting Jc's posts so we all have the pleasure (gag) of seeing them. Not too suspicious... :rolleyes:


Interesting indeed.

[JcDc]

What a interesting coinkydink.. Several of us have Jc on ignore, and suddenly there's a "new" person in here quoting Jc's posts so we all have the pleasure (gag) of seeing them. Not too suspicious... :rolleyes:

*coughsockpuppetcough*
(and I'm sure it's not the first..)

Back to what's important...I've been wondering how they are going to get Chloe to find out that Clark's not a meteor freak, but an alien. So in Blank is she going to tell him that he's a meteor freak??? I assume his parents will fillm him in, or somehow the Blanking will be reversed before the end of the ep.


If you are suggesting I'm the poster "\Superman/" you are quite wrong and I take offense to your accusation. Do an IP check. I've noticed outside of your group more and more people have been sending me PM's saying they've read through my posts and don't get why there is a group at SV forums who act likes jerks. Not kidding ya.

[AgentPat]

That's really cool. I should get that book. Is it worth the read?Oh, hell yeah! But then again, I'll buy anything SV-related that isn't a "toy." I love behind-the-scenes stuff and the companion books are chock full of interesting factoids. Here's one I never picked-up on, and damn, I SHOULD have! :mad:

Remember in Duplicity where Pete gets Clark to help him with the "spaceship" he found in the corn field? When they walk up, he hums a tune loudly. Know what he's humming? Hah! The theme from The X-Files. (Mark Snow did the music for both shows.)

Umm.. yeah. SEXY! Isn't it nice to have such distinct enough ab muscles that counting them can actually be used as a descriptor? LOL! :up:LOL! Good point! Gotta luv that bod, doncha know? ;)

I like the elongated version a bit more. The special effects on that initial burning when it appeared, and the subsequent flarings were soo well done.Agreed! I do love how the writers are connecting the dots with this part of the story though. It will be interesting to see how they take the \8/ symbol - which has appeared on EVERYTHING at this point in SV continuity (LOL!) - and explain why Clark changes it to the familiar \S/ logo later.

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/exile9.jpg

[JcDc]

Interesting indeed.


*cough* IP check Superman *cough*

Believe it or not there are quite a few people who've been saying stuff either on the Supes board or through PM that you guys have been out of line. Deal with it.

[JcDc]

I tried to PM you about that and got no reply.

I am fed up to hearing you say what fools Welling fans are, how stupid or crazy or <fill-in-the-blank> we all are. Or worse that we are not "true" Superman fans because we prefer a TV show over Singer's movie.



I don't call people names, if I did I would have been banned by now. False accusation.

How can I read that from you and still accept your word that you weren't talking about me?


My opinion on SV or Welling for that matter has nothing to do with you. Unless I specifically quoted you, it's just a general comment on a MB. The one time I was going to directly speak to you, I changed my mind because you seemed sensitive and said you were having a bad week. So I didn't want to hurt your feelings and left you out of it. As for the PM. I did PM you, but if you have someone on ignore apparently you can't read their PM's. :confused: Take me off ignore, read your PM, you'll find lot's of ole' stuff from me you missed I'm sure.


How can you not be?


As friends it is asinine to draw a line through friendship because of an opinion on a tv show or actor. Contrary to popular belief, I never said I hated the show. I like it. There are some things I'd change, but it's still better than half the crap on tv. Regardless if I love, like, hate it, etc... That opinion on a TV SHOW, has nothing to do with our friendship outside of a forum. That is taking things far too personal.


I am probably one of the biggest posters on this forum. I have a lot invested in my Smallville fandom. I do episode reviews for k-site and I've even written a Smallville spec script.

A script you read.

A script which you off-handedly dismissed as a filler episode.

Although I acted casually about it at the time, that seemingly benign comment hurt me more than you can ever know.


What????????? I told you the script was REALLY GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I gave you some suggestions that YOU SAID you agreed with!!!!!!!! WTF :confused:

The script you wrote was called "Venom" and it was about a kryptonite snake bite, I was encouraging telling you it would certainly be good enough and sounds like a GREAT filler episode. I think I even mentioned it would be better than most of the filler episodes we've had. When I say filler episode, it just means an episode that's not impacting the lore of Superman or the future direction of the show. It's an episode that doesn't need continuation.


I feel you have been bad mouthing my name, suggesting I resort to personal insults and that I've treated you badly. This is not the case. I don't pull that crap :down

[AgentPat]

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/slumber4.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/cloud9.gif

[Lara]

Hey the Fog is mentioned in EW! It's about remakes and says "Our guide to four (potential) fright fests desinged to both stroke your killer nostalagia and make you cry for Mommy. The Fog Status-filming with an anticipated Oct 21 release. Ghosts of lepers and Selma Blair as a sultry DJ- what's not to like about this remake of John Carpenters 1980 tribute to dry ice?" the other 3 are in development I haven't heard of them =) pretty cool huh.NIce buzz

[\Superman/]

If you are suggesting I'm the poster "\Superman/" you are quite wrong and I take offense to your accusation. Do an IP check. I've noticed outside of your group more and more people have been sending me PM's saying they've read through my posts and don't get why there is a group at SV forums who act likes jerks. Not kidding ya.


LOL now they think I'm you because I happen to agree that they are being childish for hating you because of opinions on a show? HEE HEE HOO :) Like you said they can do an ip check on me I really don't care. Also the only reason I even know what's going on is because I read some comments over the Superman movie forum and you said something like "When I go over the smallvilel forums I feel like neo fighting a bunch of agent smiths." Everyone agreed with you.

I thought it was funny and wanted to see if you were really ganged up on. Then I read through a bit over here and Agent Pat is basically the ring leader with her drones following her every move :p How they can get away bashing you when all you do is post a wel stated opinion I don't know. Stupid people I guess.

[\Superman/]

I don't call people names, if I did I would have been banned by now. False accusation.


My opinion on SV or Welling for that matter has nothing to do with you. Unless I specifically quoted you, it's just a general comment on a MB. The one time I was going to directly speak to you, I changed my mind because you seemed sensitive and said you were having a bad week. So I didn't want to hurt your feelings and left you out of it. As for the PM. I did PM you, but if you have someone on ignore apparently you can't read their PM's. :confused: Take me off ignore, read your PM, you'll find lot's of ole' stuff from me you missed I'm sure.



As friends it is asinine to draw a line through friendship because of an opinion on a tv show or actor. Contrary to popular belief, I never said I hated the show. I like it. There are some things I'd change, but it's still better than half the crap on tv. Regardless if I love, like, hate it, etc... That opinion on a TV SHOW, has nothing to do with our friendship outside of a forum. That is taking things far too personal.



What????????? I told you the script was REALLY GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I gave you some suggestions that YOU SAID you agreed with!!!!!!!! WTF :confused:

The script you wrote was called "Venom" and it was about a kryptonite snake bite, I was encouraging telling you it would certainly be good enough and sounds like a GREAT filler episode. I think I even mentioned it would be better than most of the filler episodes we've had. When I say filler episode, it just means an episode that's not impacting the lore of Superman or the future direction of the show. It's an episode that doesn't need continuation.


I feel you have been bad mouthing my name, suggesting I resort to personal insults and that I've treated you badly. This is not the case. I don't pull that crap :down


You two should just get married already :p You sound like an old married couple :p hee hee

[triplet]

You two should just get married already :p You sound like an old married couple :p hee hee

I'm not rising to the bait this time.

Tell your buddy Jc to take it to PM or email if he has something to say to me.

BTW: I'm now putting you on ignore as well.

[Lara]

Hey the Fog is mentioned in EW! It's about remakes and says "Our guide to four (potential) fright fests desinged to both stroke your killer nostalagia and make you cry for Mommy. The Fog Status-filming with an anticipated Oct 21 release. Ghosts of lepers and Selma Blair as a sultry DJ- what's not to like about this remake of John Carpenters 1980 tribute to dry ice?" the other 3 are in development I haven't heard of them =) pretty cool huh.NIce buzz
Read this please.

[JcDc]

I'm not rising to the bait this time.

Tell your buddy Jc to take it to PM or email if he has something to say to me.


I've explained now 20 times, most of which you have read... I DID PM YOU! But I'm on ignore so you can't read it I guess!

You are hearing what you want to hear. Everytime I tell you that I PM'ed you, you pretend that you never heard me say that. Then you make a post like "You never PM'ed me"

I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt but when I keep seeing you ignore that I told you I pm'ed you... Your comments look fake.

[Serene]

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/slumber4.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/cloud9.gif

That's a beautiful shot...

And the Wet Tom never fails to impress. ;):up:

[AgentPat]

That's a beautiful shot... Tanks! :)
I've been having fun recently playing with the screen caps. They're a joy to make and even more pleasing to look at. :D

[EEK]

I've explained now 20 times, most of which you have read... I DID PM YOU! But I'm on ignore so you can't read it I guess!

You are hearing what you want to hear. Everytime I tell you that I PM'ed you, you pretend that you never heard me say that. Then you make a post like "You never PM'ed me"

I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt but when I keep seeing you ignore that I told you I pm'ed you... Your comments look fake.


this is why I choose to not have friends. too much drama :p ok people choose to not have me as a friend, same differenec lol

[rumpuso]

That's a dreamy picture Pat! Love it.

(Will you post it at KSite?)

[AgentPat]

That's a dreamy picture Pat! Love it.

(Will you post it at KSite?)LOL! Funny you should ask. I *just* came from K-Site. I'll go back and post it in a moment. :D

I saw Goobs' screen cap from Spirit and laughed (in a good way)...

http://img258.echo.cx/img258/6574/wmplayer202005042120191151544p.jpg

Think they KNEW S5 was a lock when they shot this ep? LOL

Oh, and is that an unpublished promo photo? Same shirt, different do...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/promo2.jpg

Where's my buddy James? ;)

[rumpuso]

Holy god! Mama Mia! Save me!

so so handsome...


[please please] post that unpublished one too :) [/please please]

[AgentPat]

Holy god! Mama Mia! Save me!

so so handsome...

[please please] post that unpublished one too :) [/please please]LOL!!! No no... That last one HAS been published. I was wondering whether the one used in the yearbook was an unpublished shot. It was probably taken just for the purpose of the ep, but I love making James think. LOL!!

Sorry James. :p
(He hasn't been 'round all day. :( )

I can post the other one at KS, but I just posted my artsy caps there. Do they have a rule (like DTS) about not posting consecutively?

BTW - look at his eyes in that shot. Un-freakin'-believable, eh? Day-um!

Here's a close-up...
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/promo2b.jpg

[triplet]

Jc:

You know there are more than one way to get things done... I don't want to take you off of ignore right now so PM Venom71 and then he can forward it to me.

Maybe that's a little too much like middle school and "could you pass this note to Jimmy for me in Home Ec?" but if he's the gatekeeper, I'd feel better about the emotions not getting too high...

Not that my hopes are high about anything good coming out this, but that's what I'm willing to do if you want to REALLY want to have a dialogue.

If it gets you to stop yelling in here, that'll be icing.

[triplet]

Here's a close-up...
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/promo2b.jpg

Now back to our regularly scheduled program:

Dayum! That's what I want to talk about!

:D ;) :up:

I wish I had hazel eyes that looked like that. Mine are very close to being brown, not a smitch of blue in 'em...

But that's why I married a man with blue eyes... I love blue eyes.

[Serene]

Woof! http://www.arelis-design.com/smiles/drool.gif

Oh, sorry...
;)

[AgentPat]

Now back to our regularly scheduled program:

Dayum! That's what I want to talk about! Yes!!

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/bounce.gif

I wish I had hazel eyes that looked like that. Mine are very close to being brown, not a smitch of blue in 'em...I have hazel eyes, but they're not as light or reflective, I guess. Welling's eyes are quite remarkable, and I know it's not just photo effects because people have commented on them when meeting him in person. Well, that and his height and the size of his hands. Hee!

[Pat avoids THAT tangent LOL]

Anyhoo, I've been wondering what "image" they're gonna give him for The Fog. He's obviously playing his own age this time around (thank GOODNESS! 'BOUT FREAKIN' TIME!) Think they'll go for the scruffy look?

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/swordfish2.jpg

[Pat keeps fingers tightly crossed]


LMAO@"woof" HAHAHAHAHA!!!

[mellyM]

Yes!!

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/bounce.gif

I have hazel eyes, but they're not as light or reflective, I guess. Welling's eyes are quite remarkable, and I know it's not just photo effects because people have commented on them when meeting him in person. Well, that and his height and the size of his hands. Hee!

[Pat avoids THAT tangent LOL]

Anyhoo, I've been wondering what "image" they're gonna give him for The Fog. He's obviously playing his own age this time around (thank GOODNESS! 'BOUT FREAKIN' TIME!) Think they'll go for the scruffy look?

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/swordfish2.jpg

[Pat keeps fingers tightly crossed]


LMAO@"woof" HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Minus the facial hair..they can't hide all that perfection..and his eyes are all the colors..so beyond hazel.:) And one has more blue in it, and one has more green in it. *sigh* amazing

[Serene]

Think they'll go for the scruffy look?

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/swordfish2.jpg

[Pat keeps fingers tightly crossed]


LMAO@"woof" HAHAHAHAHA!!!

I think we've been over this territory before, but I vote for a "leetle" bit scruffy.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/Serene23/908ce6cc.bmp
or...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/Serene23/tw_trl_dec_123.jpg

[mellyM]

I think we've been over this territory before, but I vote for a "leetle" bit scruffy.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/Serene23/908ce6cc.bmp
or...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/Serene23/tw_trl_dec_123.jpg

So..do you think it was Tom who took the time to blow his hair straight?:) lol.

[Lara]

Why are you guys ignoring my EW THe Fog mention? I'm getting paranoid. Am I on ignore..... anyone?

[triplet]

Welling's eyes are quite remarkable, and I know it's not just photo effects because people have commented on them when meeting him in person. Well, that and his height and the size of his hands. Hee!

[Pat avoids THAT tangent LOL]

Anyhoo, I've been wondering what "image" they're gonna give him for The Fog. He's obviously playing his own age this time around (thank GOODNESS! 'BOUT FREAKIN' TIME!) Think they'll go for the scruffy look?

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/swordfish2.jpg

[Pat keeps fingers tightly crossed]


LMAO@"woof" HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Scruffy would be good. He's a boat captain on someone else's boat, after all. He's not going to look all Abercrombie & Fitch in this one.

[Serene]

Why are you guys ignoring my EW THe Fog mention? I'm getting paranoid. Am I on ignore..... anyone?

I'm sorry, Lara. I meant to ask you if that's in the latest EW that's out and who's on the cover?

And I do think you should also post stuff like that in The Fog thread. Less of a chance for it to get lost in the shuffle of a busy thread like this.

[AgentPat]

Minus the facial hair..they can't hide all that perfection..and his eyes are all the colors..so beyond hazel.:) And one has more blue in it, and one has more green in it. *sigh* amazingReally? I never noticed that. Which is which? I'll have to pay closer attention during the next tight shot on SV. They have enough of 'em. :D

I do like the stubble when he's allowed to grow it during the show's hiatus'. I often wonder who hates the razor more though - Welling or Rosenbaum? LOL!! ;)

I think we've been over this territory before, but I vote for a "leetle" bit scruffy.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/Serene23/tw_trl_dec_123.jpgI like that one. Also like the ones from that interview he did on The View. What a cutie...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/view.jpg

Why are you guys ignoring my EW THe Fog mention? I'm getting paranoid. Am I on ignore..... anyone?LOL! Nuuuuu! Sorry Lara. I replied in the Fog thread, but I'm not sure you saw it. Your posts here, both of 'em, kinda got lost in the fray this afternoon. Not your fault though.

Which issue was it in? Who's on the cover?

[Lara]

I'm sorry, Lara. I meant to ask you if that's in the latest EW that's out and who's on the cover?

And I do think you should also post stuff like that in The Fog thread. Less of a chance for it to get lost in the shuffle of a busy thread like this.
I'm just being a little sensitive, fighting with the hubby will do that to you.

[triplet]

Why are you guys ignoring my EW THe Fog mention? I'm getting paranoid. Am I on ignore..... anyone?

I saw it, I think... pat asked which issue it was in.

I also subscribe but didn't see any mention.

And you are not on ignore.


;) :D

We love you.

[AgentPat]

Scruffy would be good. He's a boat captain on someone else's boat, after all.:confused: I thought it was HIS boat? There's that exchange between him and... is it Scooter? (I forget the character name.) Anyhoo, he calls him Gilligan because HE's the Skipper. (Funny scene - I hope they leave that one in.)

[AgentPat]

I'm just being a little sensitive, fighting with the hubby will do that to you.Awwww! Don't sweat it hon. We understand. And goodness NO, you're not on ignore.

Whose got the group hug gif? Lara needs one NOW!!! :)

[Lara]

It's in the summer movie preview with BB on the cover and a nice shot of CB in the suit. I am so pumped for that movie. =) Thanks guys I'm being vilified at home so I need the group hug.

[triplet]

:confused: I thought it was HIS boat? There's that exchange between him and... is it Scooter? (I forget the character name.) Anyhoo, he calls him Gilligan because HE's the Skipper. (Funny scene - I hope they leave that one in.)

LOL! It's Spooner.

Well, unless it's changed from the sides he and Nick talk about getting fired at one point unless they wash the decks....

If he owned the boat, he wouldn't get fired for not washing down the decks.

[triplet]

It's in the summer movie preview with BB on the cover and a nice shot of CB in the suit. I am so pumped for that movie. =) Thanks guys I'm being vilified at home so I need the group hug.

Here's the group hug:


http://www.deephousepage.com/smilies/grouphug.gif



Which page is that Fog reference on? I looked in that issue and still didn't see it.

[Serene]

I'm just being a little sensitive, fighting with the hubby will do that to you.

Lol! Join the club, sister. I seriously ran away from home yesterday.

Obviously I came back. My PC is here. ;)

[AgentPat]

It's in the summer movie preview with BB on the cover and a nice shot of CB in the suit. I am so pumped for that movie. =) Thanks guys I'm being vilified at home so I need the group hug.OH! I have that issue. Awesome.

LOL! It's Spooner.LOL! Oopz! Show's how much I've been paying attention to the *other* characters. :p

Well, unless it's changed from the sides he and Nick talk about getting fired at one point unless they wash the decks....Other than a few key scenes - truck, shower (*ahem*), truck again (LOL!), I kinda perused the rest of the sides. I didn't want to be too spoiled, and it's hard reading through a script w/o knowing the characters. It's just words on a page, y'know? I'd rather watch the movie.

If he owned the boat, he wouldn't get fired for not washing down the decks.True dat. Makes sense.

[jas01724]

Think they KNEW S5 was a lock when they shot this ep? Doubtful, that's either his Sophomore or Junior yearbook ... PR ain't gonna be hanging around Crater Lake anymore, considering that he's in Wichita. ;)

Oh, and is that an unpublished promo photo? Same shirt, different do...Nope, that one would be pretty old.

Anyhoo, I've been wondering what "image" they're gonna give him for The Fog.This fooled one or two people...

http://www.tomwelling.org/archives/2005/04/01/123/

Shame about the whole April 1st factor. :p

[rumpuso]

Woof! http://www.arelis-design.com/smiles/drool.gif

Oh, sorry...
;)


Dear god, the picture made Serene bark! lolololol

LOVE IT!

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

do u any of u guys have websites? - serene, pat, jas, trip.... anyone?

[jas01724]

do u any of u guys have websites? - serene, pat, jas, trip.... anyone?Certainly not. :cool:

[Lara]

Here's the group hug:


http://www.deephousepage.com/smilies/grouphug.gif



Which page is that Fog reference on? I looked in that issue and still didn't see it.
Thanks he apologized, of course not acting like an Ahole in the first place works better :) It was on page 17 but I typed the whole thing so there's not much need to bother the pic is from the original movie. It's at the end of a article on the Exorcist.

[AgentPat]

do u any of u guys have websites? - serene, pat, jas, trip.... anyone?Yes. And bandwidth charges for 'em suck the big wazzoo. Just sayin'.

[triplet]

Thanks he apologized, of course not acting like an Ahole in the first place works better :) It was on page 17 but I typed the whole thing so there's not much need to bother the pic is from the original movie. It's at the end of a article on the Exorcist.

Yeah, I saw it this morning. Thanks.

Hardly worth the ink it was printed with but I guess any mention is a good mention.

[triplet]

do u any of u guys have websites? - serene, pat, jas, trip.... anyone?

Why you asking?

Not that I have one, but I'm curious...

[Paul-el]

This week's episode (Blank) sounds like it will be a nice little challenge for Welling, huh?

[mellyM]

This week's episode (Blank) sounds like it will be a nice little challenge for Welling, huh?
Yep. I love the challenges he's been given acting wise this season, and he's risen to each one brilliantly:)

[triplet]

Yep. I love the challenges he's been given acting wise this season, and he's risen to each one brilliantly:)

I'm sure he won't disappoint... It looks to be a very good one and maybe even we'll find out more about what Chloe knows.

[RakuMon]

Thanks he apologized, of course not acting like an Ahole in the first place works better :) It was on page 17 but I typed the whole thing so there's not much need to bother the pic is from the original movie. It's at the end of a article on the Exorcist.
I don't know if it's been mentioned, but in that same EW, there's also a blurb about SV's finale on page 138.

[Paul-el]

I'm sure he won't disappoint... It looks to be a very good one and maybe even we'll find out more about what Chloe knows.


Definitely more intiguing. I was afraid the episodes haven't been as interesting to me as before, but this one definitely looks like it's going to kick some butt. Sounds like we finally get to see Clark use his powers more often than in some of the previous episodes.

[Serene]

do u any of u guys have websites? - serene, pat, jas, trip.... anyone?

I've had two, but no longer.. at least not where anyone could find them.

James (who prefers to be called Jason, btw ;)) has an exceedingly nice one.

[jas01724]

James (who prefers to be called Jason, btw ;))I? Wha? Muh huh muna? :D

has an exceedingly nice one.Awww, why thank ye. And it's now April 26th in nice dreary ol' England, so my site has a temporary makeover. The banner is wearing a party hat, apparently... those nuisance little elves. ;)

[Serene]

I? Wha? Muh huh muna? :D
Nothing quite so fun as reducing a man to babbling... :p

Awww, why thank ye. And it's now April 26th in nice dreary ol' England, so my site has a temporary makeover. The banner is wearing a party hat, apparently... those nuisance little elves. ;)

Oh yeah!!! This deserves it's own thread. :hyper:

[Serene]

What can I say.. I like contrasts. It's what I do. :)

http://img201.echo.cx/img201/5268/tw37eyes7rj.jpg

[Gmanofsteel]

oh wow green :D

cool :up:

[Timstuff]

Wrong thread. :D

[jas01724]

My site has a temporary makeover. The banner is wearing a party hat, apparently... those nuisance little elves. ;)*pouts* Nobody commented on the party hat. :(

;)

[triplet]

*pouts* Nobody commented on the party hat. :(

;)

It's actually kinda hard to see... you shoulda made it in color so it'd stand out.

[jas01724]

It's actually kinda hard to see... you shoulda made it in color so it'd stand out.That would spoil the fun, it's supposed to be hard to see. ;) It's a "blink and you'll miss it" visual joke for 99.9% of the world's population - I'm only telling the special people. :hyper:

I think my jokes are too understated for my own good. :cool:

[triplet]

That would spoil the fun, it's supposed to be hard to see. ;) It's a "blink and you'll miss it" visual joke for 99.9% of the world's population - I'm only telling the special people. :hyper:

I think my jokes are too understated for my own good. :cool:

Oh..... oooookkkaaaayyy.

Gotcha.

;) :p

[jas01724]

Oh..... oooookkkaaaayyy.

Gotcha.

;) :pVery good. ;)

Did you leave our Thomasy a message yet? :marv:

I wonder if he'll actually respond to the messages this year....

[triplet]

Very good. ;)

Did you leave our Thomasy a message yet? :marv:

I wonder if he'll actually respond to the messages this year....

I left one on k-site, DTS and here.... I guess I'll make it over to your forums as well.

But I'm not sure whether I even have an account.

:confused:

I'll have to check.

[jas01724]

I left one on k-site, DTS and here.... I guess I'll make it over to your forums as well.

But I'm not sure whether I even have an account.

:confused:

I'll have to check.I don't have a forum right now, mine's just the comment section of each news story. You don't need to sign up for anything. :)

I'm working on huge improvements to the whole system, though. It's lacking features like whoa....

[triplet]

I don't have a forum right now, mine's just the comment section of each news story. You don't need to sign up for anything. :)

I'm working on huge improvements to the whole system, though. It's lacking features like whoa....

I tried it already, and I don't think it worked.... Is it supposed to show up immediately?

It didn't seem to add my comment.

[jas01724]

I tried it already, and I don't think it worked.... Is it supposed to show up immediately?

It didn't seem to add my comment.It did, I just had to activate it your comment before it became visible. :) I've had so many idiots posting rubbish that I decided to use comment moderation; now I just need to overhaul and improve the whole commenting system so that it actually lets people know what's happening. ;)

It's based on wordpress so it's fairly simplistic. I've been knee-deep in PHP code for months....

[triplet]

It did, I just had to activate it your comment before it became visible. :) I've had so many idiots posting rubbish that I decided to use comment moderation; now I just need to overhaul and improve the whole commenting system so that it actually lets people know what's happening. ;)

It's based on wordpress so it's fairly simplistic. I've been knee-deep in PHP code for months....

Oh, okay.... thanks.

sorry to hear about the PHP stuff... doesn't sound fun.

[jas01724]

sorry to hear about the PHP stuff... doesn't sound fun.It can be lots of fun, oddly enough, as long as everything goes to plan. It's when you have a problem that the "fun" starts. ;)

Comment systems are tricky because you have to validate and secure the information that is inputted. Without some form of checking it's easy to input data that compromises the whole database. Not pretty. ;)

[Serene]

Very good. ;)

Did you leave our Thomasy a message yet? :marv:

I did, I did!!! :D

I'm really a spaz today, don't mind me.

A few minutes ago, I dropped my contact while I was typing on the keyboard. I searched ALL over the desk, lap, floor.. finally called over my daughter who has eyes that still function and she found it stuck to the number 3. :)

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Why you asking?

Not that I have one, but I'm curious...

no reason. im making one, so, i was looking for people who actually do, for u know, advice and stuff

[triplet]

no reason. im making one, so, i was looking for people who actually do, for u know, advice and stuff

Oh, okay. Gotcha.

The closest I come is doing the reviews for K-site, so I wouldn't be much help.

I do run an internal web site where I work but they've got an online wysiwig tool that helps me build it, so that probably doesn't count.

I'm a wysiwig (what you see is what you get, for those who don't know) kinda girl....

[jas01724]

I'm a wysiwig (what you see is what you get, for those who don't know) kinda girl....Some of the more up-to-date wysiwig's are fairly good (the newer versions of Dreamweaver springs to mind) but generally they're not the way to go if you want to build a WWW site. For intranet's where you have total control over the user environment, they're fantastic. Ditto for small personal sites that barely anyone will see. But for a WWW site with a good number of visitors it's always better to streamline through optimised hand-coding.

The abysmal over-abundance of table-based layouts can be traced back to the lovely wysiwig's of yore ....

[triplet]

Some of the more up-to-date wysiwig's are fairly good (the newer versions of Dreamweaver springs to mind) but generally they're not the way to go if you want to build a WWW site. For intranet's where you have total control over the user environment, they're fantastic. Ditto for small personal sites that barely anyone will see. But for a WWW site with a good number of visitors it's always better to streamline through optimised hand-coding.

The abysmal over-abundance of table-based layouts can be traced back to the lovely wysiwig's of yore ....

Which is exactly why I don't have my own web site.

:D

More power to ya for doing your own coding.

I took one computer class (intro to computer programming) a few years ago hoping to build up my skills for work and it wasn't much fun. I could do it, but I didn't enjoy it and wasn't really all that good at it.

For a final project we had to do an animation in TCL (a simplified version of C++) and the animation had to have several movements. So I decided to make a ball bounce, how easy is that? Well, my ball bounced once and kept on going, couldnt get it to do it again.

Meanwhile, some other dudes had animated the professor and had him answer simple math questions put in by a user into a text field.

:(

That's when I decided that programming maybe wasn't my thing....





I was lucky I got out of that class with a D.

[svfreakofweek]

So what happen last night does chloe still no the secrets or not?

[triplet]

So what happen last night does chloe still no the secrets or not?

Yeah, she only forgot the few minutes before Clark caught the huge column things....

They never really explained why Clark could remember everything later except the day he was an amnesiac....

It makes for an interesting twist, however. Lex now knows something that Clark forgot and Clark doesn't know to what extent Chloe knows about his powers...

This will make for some very interesting stuff for these last few episodes.

[The Incredible Hulk]

LOL a girl I work with just send me this link, asking me if it was real? :eek:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=60403&item=4724024580&rd=1

I said:

A) It looks so fake it's not funny

B) Why the hell are you searching for nude photos at work? :o

[Lara]

LOL a girl I work with just send me this link, asking me if it was real? :eek:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=60403&item=4724024580&rd=1

I said:

A) It looks so fake it's not funny

B) Why the hell are you searching for nude photos at work? :o
RLMFAO!!!! Poor Tom and you right majorally fake :rolleyes: . Not that if he actually posed I wouldn't be interested ;) She may not have been looking for it Ebay throws everything together.

[Serene]

LOL a girl I work with just send me this link, asking me if it was real? :eek:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=60403&item=4724024580&rd=1

I said:

A) It looks so fake it's not funny

B) Why the hell are you searching for nude photos at work? :o

LOL.. I've seen that one before. Sadly, there's another one (fake nudie) of Tom that floats around on ebay as well. I can't believe the things that people try to sell on ebay sometimes.