The Official Tom Welling Thread

[rumpuso]

What on earth is everyone talking about, or trying not to talk about? I hate being perpetually confused by cryptic talk. Can anyone share? Or if not, shouldn't this be where pms come in handy dandy? This is the second thread where the discussion has gone off to some place foreign to me.

(Sorry for the rant, I'm just having a bad day).

[Pickle-El]

Oh, I'm sorry. Was I too understated? I know I leave a lot to be desired compared to other people's dramatics (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7698339#post7698339). Next time, I'll throw myself on my sword for more effect, I promise. :rolleyes:


PS: Nice to see ole yeller up there was euthanized. :)


I got all the way to page 150.....that was indeed an interesting read.

[AgentPat]

Gee, it's been quiet here lately. :confused: Is it Thursday yet? LOL

Hey James, I know I'm late, but I like your new layout. It's nice and bright now. Way to go dude! Very cool! :up:

[avidreader]

One word - Suckage. :mad::(

Serene, I love your avatar. Dudette I could sit and stare at that all day long.

Gee, it's been quiet here lately. :confused: Is it Thursday yet? LOL


It is quiet, isnt it?

Tom you need to get out there and do something so we can all have a goss about it.:)

[AgentPat]

Serene, I love your avatar. Dudette I could sit and stare at that all day long.That IS a nice avatar. I *loved* that scene too, as short as it was. :(

It is quiet, isnt it?So quiet in fact, I strayed yesterday. LOL

Tom you need to get out there and do something so we can all have a goss about it.:)Bummer about the golf thingy. Wonder what happened with that? SV is done shooting this year, right?

[avidreader]

That IS a nice avatar. I *loved* that scene too, as short as it was. :(

Is it from The Fog?

So quiet in fact, I strayed yesterday. LOL

I noticed you posting at that other place. :)

Bummer about the golf thingy.

I hope he's not becoming a recluse. ;)

Wonder what happened with that? SV is done shooting this year, right?

Well I guess they are done but could he be still tied up doing special green screen effects and what not?

[AgentPat]

Is it from The Fog?Yeah, that's the scene opposite Selma Blair. He's holding two cups of coffee and is looking... OMG... Oh so amazing! It's the scene Selma said she kept messing up because Tom destroyed her concentration. LMAO!!

I can relate. :p

I noticed you posting at that other place. :)I wander when I get bored. ;)

Well I guess they are done but could he be still tied up doing special green screen effects and what not?Oh, I imagine they'll be in post right up to a few days before the actual broadcast. But you might be onto something with the green screen shots....

Hmm. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/ponder.gif

[jas01724]

Hey James, I know I'm late, but I like your new layout. It's nice and bright now. Way to go dude! Very cool! :up:Danke. I got bored with the darkness in my life. ;)

I don't think SV has wrapped completely. SV had its wrap party, but that's no guarantee that they're done for the season - the 100th episode party, for instance, was held while they were still shooting Lockdown. You have to book the venue in advance and make your best guess at the date.

[avidreader]

Yeah, that's the scene opposite Selma Blair. He's holding two cups of coffee and is looking... OMG... Oh so amazing! It's the scene Selma said she kept messing up because Tom destroyed her concentration. LMAO!!

I can relate. :p

You and me both. That was a great scene, I'd like to see them do a movie together a couple of years from now.


Oh, I imagine they'll be in post right up to a few days before the actual broadcast. But you might be onto something with the green screen shots....

Hmm. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/ponder.gif

Hmm....... maybe..... flying.

[AgentPat]

I don't think SV has wrapped completely. SV had its wrap party, but that's no guarantee that they're done for the season - the 100th episode party, for instance, was held while they were still shooting Lockdown. You have to book the venue in advance and make your best guess at the date.Interesting, and good to know. Think that might have been the monkey wrench in Tom's golf plans?

You and me both. That was a great scene, I'd like to see them do a movie together a couple of years from now.I think they'd be great together. There was more chemistry in that short little scene than there was between him and Grace in the entire film. Jeeze, Grace was such a wet fish. :rolleyes:

Hmm....... maybe..... flying.Mmmm... me thinks we'll just get an appetizer for the finale, assuming they decide to turn that card sooner than later. The cooks will want to slow simmer the main course through the summer before presenting it at the Return-of-the-King's banquet come September. :D

Okay, I just laughed at my own snarky joke. I'm getting baaaaaaad. :p

[avidreader]

Wow! I just got the latest Smallville magazine, and there's an amazing photo of our boy from Aqua in it. :eek:

I'd love to scan it and post it, but none of our equipment is talking to one another at the moment. :(

[Serene]

Yeah, that's the scene opposite Selma Blair. He's holding two cups of coffee and is looking... OMG... Oh so amazing! It's the scene Selma said she kept messing up because Tom destroyed her concentration. LMAO!!

I can relate. :p

You and me both, honey... and a few others here I suspect. ;)

Thanks avid for noticing the new avy. I'm playing so much with pictures these days, I'll probably have a new one every other day. LOL.. I'm very fickle.

I don't think SV has wrapped completely. SV had its wrap party, but that's no guarantee that they're done for the season

Doesn't the Acuvue contest (you know.. the one I'm going to win :D) have a trip to LA for the "season wrap party" as it's first prize? I need to read that fine print again, but I know it listed two possible dates that it would be. I know, because I checked my calendar. ;)

Wow! I just got the latest Smallville magazine, and there's an amazing photo of our boy from Aqua in it.

Arrrrgh! I was going to stop at Borders on my way home today and see if there was a new magazine out, but I blew it off. Guess I'll have to run out tonight.

ETA: Found it - Each Grand Prize winner will receive a three (3)-day/two (2)-night trip for four (4) to the Smallville season finale party in Los Angeles (the "Event"). Travel dates are tentatively scheduled sometime between May 7, 2006, and May 20, 2006.*

And here's part of the * explanation - If Event is cancelled during the travel dates, Grand Prize may become a trip to Los Angeles, as described above, without the Event and Event-related amenities.

How bad would that suck? You win the Grand Prize.. then they cancel the event.

[Serene]

As posted by Dee on Sweet.

From a Whedon site. Marsters, his girlfriend, and some really tall good-looking guy. :D
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4003/twjmarsters7sg.jpg

[rumpuso]

Oh! That's wonderful!! Thanks for sharing Serene.

[jr24tw]

Thanks to Fraz from Fanbolt for these.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5996/m132iw.jpg http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/6926/m128vr.jpg http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/9560/m117ld.jpg

[BareKnucklez]

Thanks to Fraz from Fanbolt for these.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5996/m132iw.jpg http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/6926/m128vr.jpg http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/9560/m117ld.jpg

heh if that's not the face of SUPERMAN I don't know who's is!
The dude just looks the part even in his everyday life.... :)

[avidreader]

As posted by Dee on Sweet.

From a Whedon site. Marsters, his girlfriend, and some really tall good-looking guy. :D
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4003/twjmarsters7sg.jpg

I love looking at shots like that. Thanks Serene.

And Thanks Jana for posting your's, they're great shots of Tom. You're right BK he is Superman. :supes:

[BareKnucklez]

I love looking at shots like that. Thanks Serene.

And Thanks Jana for posting your's, they're great shots of Tom. You're right BK he is Superman. :supes:

heh yup He simply is :supes:... :up:

[avidreader]

Have you all seen this? No matter what this guy does, I just love him. :D:O

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1Y7yJ-CUy0

[Whiteflag]

As posted by Dee on Sweet.

From a Whedon site. Marsters, his girlfriend, and some really tall good-looking guy. :D
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4003/twjmarsters7sg.jpg

Awwww, a pic of Tom I hadn't seen! Thank you so much! *Happy* :)

[Lara]

Ok I haven't read the Fragile thread yet but I wanted to mention in here that I think he did a great job directing =)

[Serene]

Everytime I hear the song, "Breathe" by Anna Nalick, this line makes me think of Tom/Clark:

But, my God, it's so beautiful when the boy smiles...

http://oxoniensis-art.com/caps/sv/518/fragile586.jpg
Cap credit to Oxoniensis-Art (http://oxoniensis-art.net/index2.htm)

[rumpuso]

That picture officially makes me weak in the knees.

He's just so lovely to watch smiling.

[avidreader]

I wonder if it was Tom's decision that he didnt wear the red jacket and blue T.shirt in Fragile.

Beautiful pic Serene. :) He certainly makes me smile.

[Serene]

I wonder if it was Tom's decision that he didnt wear the red jacket and blue T.shirt in Fragile.

He did wear them. :)
In his first scene with Martha.

[tabLengle]

I look exactly like Welling just 5'10 and much stockier with more bulk on my muscles.

[avidreader]

He did wear them. :)
In his first scene with Martha.

So he did. I had to check it out. :)

He did change his clothes alot though, throughout the episode. He's usually just in the red and blue.

[triplet]

I look exactly like Welling just 5'10 and much stockier with more bulk on my muscles.

Image?

:confused:

[tabLengle]

ill post one soon....I have shorter hair and a stubble beard as well. Im almost TOO muscular though.

[AgentPat]

http://oxoniensis-art.com/caps/sv/518/fragile586.jpgJeeze!

^ + http://www.patcostello.com/temp/wb.gif = \$/

Countin' down the days folks, countin' down the days...


Anybody up for a game of pre production poker?

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/ace.jpg

[Scooter]

WTF are you talking about now?

[AgentPat]

WTF are you talking about now?Who, me? Nothing at all. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/halo2.gif

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/rubberduck3.jpg

[Scooter]

Hehehe, ducks.

[KikiDee]

Who, me? Nothing at all. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/halo2.gif

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/rubberduck3.jpg


Oooooo......that is so wrong.... (You know what they say about teases) so pre production usually means movie. I mean sure they do pre pro for new series, but it's usually a term associated with film right?

You gotta give a bigger hint for those of us dim bulbs in the theater here.:)

[triplet]

Actually, they use the term pre pro in TV too (I work at a TV Station - an ABC affiliate, unfortunately) but it means a totally different thing... ;) :p

I wonder if Pat's heard a little birdie TWeet or something....

[KikiDee]

Actually, they use the term pre pro in TV too (I work at a TV Station - an ABC affiliate, unfortunately) but it means a totally different thing... ;) :p

I wonder if Pat's heard a little birdie TWeet or something....

LOL, I wouldn't mind hearing a TWeet or two myself.....maybe she'll share?http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[avidreader]

LOL, I wouldn't mind hearing a TWeet or two myself.....maybe she'll share?http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

She seems to have conveniently disappeared. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[KikiDee]

She seems to have conveniently disappeared. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

She's probably out partying somewhere basking in her knowledge of all that is TWeet worthy.

[avidreader]

She's probably out partying somewhere basking in her knowledge of all that is TWeet worthy.

Hee, hee. :)

[AgentPat]

...I wonder if Pat's heard a little birdie TWeet or something....*Quack*




LOL!! I'm J/K. Seriously. Nothing new here. "Pre Production Poker" is a pet term used by only one person that I'm aware of, but it won't *ever* be needed to be used by said person on a certain flannel king. Well, not the dual identity kind, anyway.

That said, I *was* serious about the marketability of that face. It maybe JMHO, but there's gold in them thar hills. Lots of it!

[KikiDee]

Ah, well, my heart did do a little flutter, but that's okay. Patience is a virtue they say. Don't know who "they" is, but I've heard that's what they say.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[AgentPat]

Patience is a virtue...You are indeed, spot-on!

It's all about wait-and-see right now. Keep your fingers crossed that come August/September, we'll be *bombed* by all sorts of birdie droppings. Iz good luck, doncha know?

[avidreader]

You are indeed, spot-on!

It's all about wait-and-see right now. Keep your fingers crossed that come August/September, we'll be *bombed* by all sorts of birdie droppings. Iz good luck, doncha know?

Now I just let out a great big HUH?

[KikiDee]

Now I just let out a great big HUH?

She saying that there's nothing going on right now. We just have to wait and see what comes around at the start of the next season. Well, at least that's what I think she said.:O

[avidreader]

She saying that there's nothing going on right now. We just have to wait and see what comes around at the start of the next season. Well, at least that's what I think she said.:O

But what are we waiting to see about?

[triplet]

I'm lost again...

*shrug*

:D

[KikiDee]

But what are we waiting to see about?

I haven't a clue, but, heh, I've got nothing better to do.:confused: :)

[avidreader]

I haven't a clue, but, heh, I've got nothing better to do.:confused: :)

Oh, jeez. LOL! You are too funny! :up: :)

[Serene]

LOL.. I thought she was implying that all the ducks are lined up in a row. You know.. that saying?

Or not. :)

Anyway, back to what's important:

More of the pretty.

http://oxoniensis.net/caps/sv/406/transferencews_289.jpg

http://oxoniensis.net/caps/sv/406/transferencews_302.jpg
Caps credit to Oxoniensis-Art (http://www.oxoniensis-art.net/index2.htm)

[Scooter]

Aren't big lips a negative on a guy? He's got kind of Jolie thing happenin' there...

[AgentPat]

You guys kill me. LOL

Demand determines supply. When you run a business, it's wise to wait and see what kind of demand there is for your product before you offer other flavors. IOW, see how good the Vanilla sells first before springing for a Gelati machine.

<- wonders if the pizza topping metaphor would have worked better?


Aren't big lips a negative on a guy?http://www.patcostello.com/temp/red3.jpg

Did you say something, Scooter? :p

[triplet]

Hell, no, Scooter. Depends on the guy and the lips, but full lips are just as hot on guys as they are on girls...

It's a sign of sexual potency, believe it or not...

That along with symmetrical features, wide set eyes, a clear complexion, a trim waist (well, relatively anyway), and broad shoulders all makes him perfectly sexy.

I saw a show on that once on Discovery Channel.

Hey... I'm totally serious.

He's a textbook example of "sexy" and the lips are a huge part of teh sex appeal... ;) :D

[Scooter]

Huh. Good for me then, I guess. Now I just need the symmetrical features, wide-set eyes, trim waist and broad shoulders...

*Edit, re. Pat's picture: ****, she's hot. That is all.

[AgentPat]

Hell, no, Scooter. Depends on the guy and the lips, but full lips are just as hot on guys as they are on girls...

It's a sign of sexual potency, believe it or not...

That along with symmetrical features, wide set eyes, a clear complexion, a trim waist (well, relatively anyway), and broad shoulders all makes him perfectly sexy.

I saw a show on that once on Discovery Channel.

Hey... I'm totally serious.

He's a textbook example of "sexy" and the lips are a huge part of teh sex appeal... ;) :DNice summation. :up:

I'm hoping the "teh" in sex appeal was intentional, 'cause I'm LMAO here.

Huh. Good for me then, I guess. Now I just need the symmetrical features, wide-set eyes, trim waist and broad shoulders...

*Edit, re. Pat's picture: ****, she's hot. That is all.:D


http://www.patcostello.com/temp/aqua10b.jpg

No offense to Ms. Jolie, but those ^ are real.

If I had a fraction of a penny for every women out there - and probably some men (LOLOL) - that had prurient thoughts about Mr. W's lips (not to mention other parts of his body), I'd be quite a rich lady.

[JackMercy]

As posted by Dee on Sweet.

From a Whedon site. Marsters, his girlfriend, and some really tall good-looking guy. :D
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4003/twjmarsters7sg.jpg

Nice pic.

You girls do know there's hope for you all, right?

Marsters' girlfriend is a "fan"...


Keep those ducks lined up!

We're looking for more vanilla cones!

;)

[MJZ]

No offense to Ms. Jolie, but those ^ are real.



Not true!

Teen Jolie:

http://goldenfiddle.com/wp-uploads/teenjoile.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y123/Cookieee24/teenangelinaJ.jpg

[rumpuso]

If I had a fraction of a penny for every women out there - and probably some men (LOLOL) - that had prurient thoughts about Mr. W's lips (not to mention other parts of his body), I'd be quite a rich lady.
I alone could make you a rich woman if prurient thoughts about his yumminess cost $$. :O

[triplet]

Nice summation. :up:

I'm hoping the "teh" in sex appeal was intentional, 'cause I'm LMAO here.

:D

It was intentional because he is "teh sexy".... :D ;) :p



http://www.patcostello.com/temp/aqua10b.jpg

No offense to Ms. Jolie, but those ^ are real.

If I had a fraction of a penny for every women out there - and probably some men (LOLOL) - that had prurient thoughts about Mr. W's lips (not to mention other parts of his body), I'd be quite a rich lady.

:D

Yep, you would.

[triplet]

Nice pic.

You girls do know there's hope for you all, right?

Marsters' girlfriend is a "fan"...


Keep those ducks lined up!

We're looking for more vanilla cones!

;)

Hmmm...

You're such a tease, Jack.

[AgentPat]

Nice pic.

You girls do know there's hope for you all, right?

Marsters' girlfriend is a "fan"...Well, I certainly wouldn't have minded trading places with her for that pic. Nuh uh!!! http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/no.gif

Keep those ducks lined up!You know it!

The one cool thing about a rubber duck - you can push it down all you want, but it'll keep coming back.

SV fans are like unsinkable rubber ducks. :up: :D

We're looking for more vanilla cones!
http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/pray.gif



http://www.patcostello.com/temp/rubberduck2.jpg <- Patient, as always. Well, kinda sorta. LOL

[Serene]

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/red3.jpg



Back to the "lip" issue. The thing is.. he just proves time and time again, that not only does he have the goods, but dayumm if he doesn't know how to use them. I refer you to the above picture and the kissing .gifs posted in the Drooling thread.

Which reminds me, I think I might have one or two more of those saved.

[avidreader]

Nice summation. :up:

I'm hoping the "teh" in sex appeal was intentional, 'cause I'm LMAO here.

:D


http://www.patcostello.com/temp/aqua10b.jpg

No offense to Ms. Jolie, but those ^ are real.

If I had a fraction of a penny for every women out there - and probably some men (LOLOL) - that had prurient thoughts about Mr. W's lips (not to mention other parts of his body), I'd be quite a rich lady.

Not only are they full and luscious, which makes them extremely kissable, but they are perfectly shaped.

Hmmmm......

Now I'll be waiting eagerly for the chocolate ice-cream. :)

[Serene]

I think Avid mentioned this pic from SV magazine yesterday.

It's luuuverly.
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7803/twsvmag6fo.jpg

[AgentPat]

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7803/twsvmag6fo.jpgNiiiiiiice! :up:


http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/wave.gifhttp://www.patcostello.com/smileys/wave.gif

[Timstuff]

I was thinking the other day... If they ever get around to doing a Knight Rider movie remake, Tom Welling could be a good pick to play Michael Knight (I might actually be able to take him seriousely, much moreseo than David Hasslehof at least).

[Max]

As posted by Dee on Sweet.

From a Whedon site. Marsters, his girlfriend, and some really tall good-looking guy. :D
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4003/twjmarsters7sg.jpg

Is Welling bulking up or has he always been this huge? I mean, she's a dwarf in that picture, and James, who I think is also tall, looks kind of small in comparison. Welling's size just looks bigger - from the length of one shoulder to the other.

Eh, maybe he's always been this big, but candid pictures certainly help put it in perspective.

[Serene]

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6483/s2tw002a9sy.jpg

[user123456789]

Damn Serene, your avvy rocks.

Now if only someone could make a KK one similar to that....

[avidreader]

I think Avid mentioned this pic from SV magazine yesterday.

It's luuuverly.
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7803/twsvmag6fo.jpg

That's the picture I was talking about. :up: He looks so good in that shot, thanks for posting it Serene. :)

[AgentPat]

Is Welling bulking up or has he always been this huge? I mean, she's a dwarf in that picture, and James, who I think is also tall, looks kind of small in comparison. Welling's size just looks bigger - from the length of one shoulder to the other.

Eh, maybe he's always been this big, but candid pictures certainly help put it in perspective.I just chalk it up to his looking different depending on the angle and pose, and if other people are in the photo. Take for example the promo photo Jana posted on the previous page, followed by that candid shot from Aqua, which was probably taken just a few months later...

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5996/m132iw.jpg http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4003/twjmarsters7sg.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/wtf.gif

LOL!!!

As with anything, it's hard to appreciate someone's size in photos unless there are other "average" sized folks in the picture to compare to...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/aqua5.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/thirst2.jpg

That said, Tom has gotten bigger. Remember my "Size matters" series of posts?
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7806150#post7806150

;)

[rumpuso]

My day just got incredibly better.

Thanks Pat!

[Lunar_Wolf]

Tom Welling plays Clark on the show who will become SUPERMAN:supes: . And were on season 5 of Smallville, maybe in the last ep of Smallville ever we will get to see Tom in the outfit for the last scene. I love Routh as the new Superman. He's perfect and looks the part. Tom would have made a good Superman, people are familer with him in this generation, but the Superman movies are sepreate to the show. The show is no way in continutiy with the films. So have Tom playing the new Superman on screen makes no sense.
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/fan-art/welling-sup2.jpg

[Milkman95]

^Now that's an awful suit..........let's hope to God it's not of that poor quality...........

[AgentPat]

^Now that's an awful suit..........let's hope to God it's not of that poor quality...........OMG!!!! Milkman and I agree 110% on something...

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/thud3.gif

[Milkman95]

OMG!!!! Milkman and I agree 110% on something...

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/thud3.gif

The angle of the pic is good, but yes, hell has frozen over..............:)

[KalKai]

lol that's a suit for 5 year olds.

[KalKai]

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/861/cbtdpromo026by.jpg

:D

[Milkman95]

lol that's a suit for 5 year olds.

And surprisingly it fits him.................:)

[KalKai]

It would fit on everyone.......................................... .......................... :) :)... on a picture, lol.

[MJZ]

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/861/cbtdpromo026by.jpg

:D

Oh he ain't bigger than Routh... :rolleyes:

[triplet]

hee...

I know how the double post happened this time....

:D

My bad...

[triplet]

Oh he ain't bigger than Routh... :rolleyes:

he he he




And THAT image was taken almost three years ago, MJZ. He's gotten bigger since...

[AgentPat]

I don't think I've ever laughed more at the eye roll smiley than I just did. LMAO!!!

Anyyyyyyhoooooo.... It's all in the eyebrows, kids...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/fragile2.jpg

PS: Remind me again how old Clark is supposed to be?


Wait for it.....


:rolleyes: :p

[Serene]

PS: Remind me again how old Clark is supposed to be?



I'm going with.."old enough."

:D :up:

[MJZ]

he he he




And THAT image was taken almost three years ago, MJZ. He's gotten bigger since...

Must be Jamie's cooking...

[triplet]

Must be Jamie's cooking...

:D

Yeah, must be...

;) :p

he he he

[user123456789]

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/861/cbtdpromo026by.jpg

:D

Actually guys, Routh looks SLIGHTLY bigger than this, but damn, they're physiques are pretty close here. (And even bigger damn that this was TW YEARS ago, lmfao.)

[Kane]

Actually guys, Routh looks SLIGHTLY bigger than this, but damn, they're physiques are pretty close here. (And even bigger damn that this was TW YEARS ago, lmfao.)

No. I'd still say Tom is bigger than Brandon. Tom is built like the hulk now. Especially in recent episodes, it looks like someone took a photo of him from season one and stretched it out in width.

Brandon is bigger than Tom was in season one though. Its kinda unfair to compare them on this when Tom's had five years to bulk up, Brandon's had a few months. Reeve only really bulked up by the third film.

I guess it all comes down to presense on screen and acting talent for me.

Oh gosh, why am I in this thread?

[KalKai]

I don't think Tom did any bulking in the beginning, I don't even think he goes to the gym that much. He certainly didn't spend these 5 years bulking up, he doesn't have time for that that's for sure.

[Kane]

If anything it was just a hobby on the side. But after some years you could see the difference. Ya I dont think he was really training super hard seriously, like an Olympian or something, but just a past-time activity.

And he probably doesnt have to go to a gym, I mean if I have a gym set in my basement... its obvious he does also.

[MJZ]

Actually guys, Routh looks SLIGHTLY bigger than this, but damn, they're physiques are pretty close here. (And even bigger damn that this was TW YEARS ago, lmfao.)

Routh's nowhere near that. His biceps are flat, his shoulders narrow and with no chest to speak of.

Not like I'm checking him out or anything, but it's plain to see if you compare the two.

[user123456789]

No. I'd still say Tom is bigger than Brandon. Tom is built like the hulk now. Especially in recent episodes, it looks like someone took a photo of him from season one and stretched it out in width.


That's what I said, TW is bigger than Brandon now, but comparing the OLD TW pic to Brandon NOW, Brandon is slightly bigger.... Was my post confusing?

[user123456789]

Routh's nowhere near that. His biceps are flat, his shoulders narrow and with no chest to speak of.

Not like I'm checking him out or anything, but it's plain to see if you compare the two.

You know that TW pic is YEARS old? I was saying Brandon looks slightly bigger than that NOW, meaning TW is bigger than Brandon NOW.

And to each his own man, but do I really have to point out Tom has his friggin wrists underneath each bicep (which accentuates them more), BUT is slouching (which de-broadens his shoulders), and his shirt doesn't do his pecs justice? Which just proves that this pic is pointless to compare to Routh (combined to the lack of compare worthy pics of Routh) with? I was just making my own observation, which I guess I shouldn't have (out loud, at least).

Damn, did both of ya'll read my post wrong?!

[Kane]

.... Was my post confusing?


Yes

[user123456789]

Yes
lol sorry.

So... have a good night :up:

[user123456789]

I don't think Tom did any bulking in the beginning, I don't even think he goes to the gym that much. He certainly didn't spend these 5 years bulking up, he doesn't have time for that that's for sure.

Oh I definately agree. In 4-5 years time, he could have definately packed on at least 20 pounds of additional muscle, but he just doesn't have the time to do it. Weight training to add LEAN mass takes extreme dedication, and he's just down right too busy. However, just eating a caloric surplus AND training with weights will make you bigger, which is what TW probably did. He just lifts as a hobby, and eats.

I hear of too many stories of why men & women don't realize the reason they're not gaining as much muscle/mass as they should be, even with excellent training, because they just simply don't eat enough.

Rest = Nutrition > Training

[Kane]

And to each his own man, but do I really have to point out Tom has his friggin wrists underneath each bicep (which accentuates them more), BUT is slouching (which de-broadens his shoulders), and his shirt doesn't do his pecs justice? Which just proves that this pic is pointless to compare to Routh (combined to the lack of compare worthy pics of Routh) with? I was just making my own observation, which I guess I shouldn't have (out loud, at least).


I agree with you. Though personally Im not a fan of either yet. But bottom-line is I guess they both have done a good job of putting on mass over their previous frames.

Youre the self proclaimed body building expert so I'll defer to your judgement.

[user123456789]

Youre the self proclaimed body building expert so I'll defer to your judgement.

LOL far from it, but i'm trying. Learning something new everyday about the human body, and applying it at the gym.

[Pickle-El]

Oh he ain't bigger than Routh... :rolleyes:

He IS bigger than Routh....he's got a natural bigger body. And has been 'Superman in training' for about 5 years now right? However, this pic isn't a good example. Where's his left bicep? And howcome Welling's usually and uniquely small head and neck that accentuate the rest of his upper body look like that of Hulk Hogans? ;)

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2003_Cheaper_by_the_Dozen/2003_Cheaper_Dozen_067.jpg

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2783/cbd2015of.jpg

http://www.mtv.com/onair/trl/flipbooks/photobooth/images/photo_tom_welling.jpg

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/153/975452.jpg

[MJZ]

He IS bigger than Routh....he's got a natural bigger body. And has been 'Superman in training' for about 5 years now right? However, this pic isn't a good example. Where's his left bicep? And howcome Welling's usually and uniquely small head and neck that accentuate the rest of his upper body look like that of Hulk Hogans? ;)

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2003_Cheaper_by_the_Dozen/2003_Cheaper_Dozen_067.jpg

That's a sappy-sig ya got there, Pickle-Schmickle. :)

[Pickle-El]

That's a sappy-sig ya got there, Pickle-Schmickle. :)

So says the Mod on BTN that has Noooooooooooooooooooooo fans. :O

[Serene]

He's undeniably a really big guy. I don't think you could use padding with him, it would look ridiculous. As it often does.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/Serene23/torontostar7le9wp.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/Serene23/daddy1.jpg

[Pickle-El]

He's undeniably a really big guy. I don't think you could use padding with him, it would look ridiculous. As it often does.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/Serene23/torontostar7le9wp.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/Serene23/daddy1.jpg

I guess we'll never find out......;)

Then again, even the late great Mr. Reeve could have used some padding up until Superman 3.

[Serene]

So says the Mod on BTN that has Noooooooooooooooooooooo fans. :O
Not true!
MJZ is one of my very favorite mods. He's not afraid of being seen with us dreaded "Wellingites." Gotta admire a guy who's not afraid to have his own opinion, even if it goes against the tide. :up:

[Pickle-El]

Not true!
MJZ is one of my very favorite mods. He's not afraid of being seen with us dreaded "Wellingites." Gotta admire a guy who's not afraid to have his own opinion, even if it goes against the tide. :up:

Just because you like Welling doesn't mean you're dreaded....just misunderstood.

After all, we're all still holding the same ticket.....:supes:

[Kane]

Wellingites? wtf... when did that term happen

[Kane]

He's undeniably a really big guy. I don't think you could use padding with him, it would look ridiculous. As it often does.


Sure. But he most definately would have needed padding when he began the role if he was ever given a suit.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/tifflover/TVGuide.jpg

Theres no way you could have expected Brandon to bulk up to where Tom is now in a few months right after he was casted. Filming began pretty soon after the casting process too. Considering theres a break of a few years till the next film, and Brandon now knows hes playing Superman, he has time to gradually physically develop himself like Reeve did for Superman III. I personally though dont care about the frame of the actor and really dont prefer if Brandon bulk up or not for the next flick. My main preference is the acting skills and presense to pull the Metropolis Clark Kent, Smallville Clark Kent and Superman roles off in the film.

Brandon doesnt have some years to gradually work on his acting skills, its all here or nothing for this film. If he does nail this role right away perfectly in this film, being a relative unknown like Welling was, that would be extremely impressive (also given the complexity of a 3-fold role).

[AgentPat]

Ahhhh.... another who's bigger debate. God, I love this place. :up:



BoyscouT, I hear what you're saying about lean muscle mass verses bulk, and how it can sometimes take years to develop. No argument there at all. :up: But these actors have access to some of the best trainers in the world (supposedly), not to mention the funds for various supplementation. (I'm talking the legal kind, not the Barry Bond's kind.) Basically, professional actors playing "Superman" *ahem* are not like us poor schmoes. Having a limited amount of time to change their body for a role is no excuse. Two words: Christian Bale. I think Welling is taking the time simply because he can.

Okay, I'm done. :p

[Waves to MJZ :D ]

[SCOTT&JEAN]

Sure. But he most definately would have needed padding when he began the role if he was ever given a suit.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/tifflover/TVGuide.jpg

Theres no way you could have expected Brandon to bulk up to where Tom is now in a few months right after he was casted. Filming began pretty soon after the casting process too. Considering theres a break of a few years till the next film, and Brandon now knows hes playing Superman, he has time to gradually physically develop himself like Reeve did for Superman III. I personally though dont care about the frame of the actor and really dont prefer if Brandon bulk up or not for the next flick. My main preference is the acting skills and presense to pull the Metropolis Clark Kent, Smallville Clark Kent and Superman roles off in the film.

Brandon doesnt have some years to gradually work on his acting skills, its all here or nothing for this film. If he does nail this role right away perfectly in this film, being a relative unknown like Welling was, that would be extremely impressive (also given the complexity of a 3-fold role).
Very beautifull picture!!!!

Only Lana should have wore higher hills!!!!!

[Milkman95]

Yeah, gotta love the size debate. Welling is a little bigger, whoop-dee-doo, that's a newsflash alright.

Bottom line is it doesn't matter, as long as DJ Qualls isn't in the role. Routh is still a pretty big guy and ultimately if he has the presence and acting ability to pull off this role, all the better for Superman fans. If the actor has the perfect look and is 6' 4" and 240lbs but has the presence of David Spade, it wouldn't work anyway.

It seems a lot of people are rooting against SR for some reason, and theyr'e Superman fans! I just don't get it - we've got the best of both worlds right now with SV and SR, remind me, what's the problem again?

[KikiDee]

Wellingites? wtf... when did that term happen

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif it's fallout from the casting wars. We were dubbed that somewhere around November of 2004. Haven't heard it much lately though, but that's okay I don't mind being a Wellingite.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[triplet]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif it's fallout from the casting wars. We were dubbed that somewhere around November of 2004. Haven't heard it much lately though, but that's okay I don't mind being a Wellingite.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

It was earlier than that, BJ was cast by November 2004....

[Kane]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif it's fallout from the casting wars. We were dubbed that somewhere around November of 2004. Haven't heard it much lately though, but that's okay I don't mind being a Wellingite.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

Casting wars? Maybe I should consider myself lucky I wasnt around for that.

The result of the casting was kinda the main reason I joined the hype like a year later, I was intensely curious as to who this guy was.

[Kane]

Bottom line is it doesn't matter, as long as DJ Qualls isn't in the role. Routh is still a pretty big guy and ultimately if he has the presence and acting ability to pull off this role, all the better for Superman fans. If the actor has the perfect look and is 6' 4" and 240lbs but has the presence of David Spade, it wouldn't work anyway.

Yea. Its all in the acting. Thats all I care about. Thank goodness it isnt the dude from Sandy C's Worlds Finest movie :down

It seems a lot of people are rooting against SR for some reason, and theyr'e Superman fans! I just don't get it - we've got the best of both worlds right now with SV and SR, remind me, what's the problem again?

Only on this smallville board, but its understandable. Ultimately, after it comes out, the fanbase on a whole should have an overall general reaction to it, like it did for Begins. Fantastic 4 was a movie that brought in huge revenues but the fanbase hated it, so did I. Personally I dont care about box office numbers or if no one sees the film, all I care about is the film itself... if its quality or garbage...and believe me, if it sucks... I'll be the first to say so. Im just hoping it wont.

[KikiDee]

Yeah, gotta love the size debate. Welling is a little bigger, whoop-dee-doo, that's a newsflash alright.

Bottom line is it doesn't matter, as long as DJ Qualls isn't in the role. Routh is still a pretty big guy and ultimately if he has the presence and acting ability to pull off this role, all the better for Superman fans. If the actor has the perfect look and is 6' 4" and 240lbs but has the presence of David Spade, it wouldn't work anyway.

It seems a lot of people are rooting against SR for some reason, and theyr'e Superman fans! I just don't get it - we've got the best of both worlds right now with SV and SR, remind me, what's the problem again?


This is really just human nature. I think a lot of the fans are just very cautious about being overly optimistic. You play it down so that if it's good you can say wow I was wrong it's great or if it's bad you feel vindicated by not getting too excited about it.

[Milkman95]

Yea. Its all in the acting. Thats all I care about. Thank goodness it isnt the dude from Sandy C's Worlds Finest movie :down

Yeah, I'm with you there - it takes a lot more than just looks to pull this role off - especially when it requires THREE different parts........

Only on this smallville board, but its understandable. Ultimately, after it comes out, the fanbase on a whole should have an overall general reaction to it, like it did for Begins. Fantastic 4 was a movie that brought in huge revenues but the fanbase hated it, so did I. Personally I dont care about box office numbers or if no one sees the film, all I care about is the film itself... if its quality or garbage...and believe me, if it sucks... I'll be the first to say so. Im just hoping it wont.

I agree - if SR nails it, then you'd think the fanbase would come together, but after seeing how dedicated (if you want to call it that) these SV/TW fans are, I'm not so sure.

I'm a bigger Batman fan anyway, and Mr. Bale couldn't have been better, so we're spoiled there.....I felt bad for the F4 fans, so hopefully Tim Story will improve the sequel.......

[user123456789]

Ahhhh.... another who's bigger debate. God, I love this place. :up:



BoyscouT, I hear what you're saying about lean muscle mass verses bulk, and how it can sometimes take years to develop. No argument there at all. :up: But these actors have access to some of the best trainers in the world (supposedly), not to mention the funds for various supplementation. (I'm talking the legal kind, not the Barry Bond's kind.) Basically, professional actors playing "Superman" *ahem* are not like us poor schmoes. Having a limited amount of time to change their body for a role is no excuse. Two words: Christian Bale. I think Welling is taking the time simply because he can.

Okay, I'm done. :p

[Waves to MJZ :D ]

True, they do have access to the best trainers in the world. The best example is look at is Hilary Swank for Million Dollar Baby. First, she's a woman (Lower T levels). Second, she had no muscle on her whatsoever prior. Third, she not only bulked, but CUT as well, giving her the "ripped" look. ALL in time for the movie. Absolutely amazing.

Still, credit is due where it's deserved, and Christian Bale had another amazing transformation for Begins. He unfortunately just didn't have time to go finish a cutting cycle, but still looked amazing. Can't wait to see what he'll look like in the sequel. :up::up:

[Pickle-El]

Ahhhh.... another who's bigger debate. God, I love this place. :up:



BoyscouT, I hear what you're saying about lean muscle mass verses bulk, and how it can sometimes take years to develop. No argument there at all. :up: But these actors have access to some of the best trainers in the world (supposedly), not to mention the funds for various supplementation. (I'm talking the legal kind, not the Barry Bond's kind.) Basically, professional actors playing "Superman" *ahem* are not like us poor schmoes. Having a limited amount of time to change their body for a role is no excuse. Two words: Christian Bale. I think Welling is taking the time simply because he can.

Okay, I'm done. :p

[Waves to MJZ :D ]

Christian Bale is simply a freak of nature.....going from about 100lbs to about 220 is simply wrong. The guy could have killed himself, literally.....

[Kane]

Ya hes a bit on edge. Who knows if he even did it in a safe legitamite way....

Losing all that weight was definately not safe anyways.

I'm with you also. I'll always be a much bigger Batman fan. The character, the personality.... just appeals to me more. Bruce Wayne's life is very relatable to me on so many levels.

[AgentPat]

True, they do have access to the best trainers in the world. The best example is look at is Hilary Swank for Million Dollar Baby. First, she's a woman (Lower T levels). Second, she had no muscle on her whatsoever prior. Third, she not only bulked, but CUT as well, giving her the "ripped" look. ALL in time for the movie. Absolutely amazing.I never saw that movie - just not into boxing - but I saw the movie poster. (The one over her shoulder.) I wasn't overly impressed, but that's nothing new for me LOL. I'll have to catch it on cable when it airs.

Still, credit is due where it's deserved, and Christian Bale had another amazing transformation for Begins. He unfortunately just didn't have time to go finish a cutting cycle, but still looked amazing. Can't wait to see what he'll look like in the sequel. :up::up:Depends on what he was shooting for. He might have just wanted to look big w/o the overly ripped look, I dunno. Batman is a little different than Superman though since you kind of expect his suit to be more like an armor exoskeleton. I like what they did in BB, and if Bale stays the same size for the sequel, I wouldn't mind.

Now Supes... that's a whole nutta tang. My preference for Welling's suit is that they use a light, thin material similar to lycra. Custom fit it (obviously) so wrinkles are kept to a minimum, and airbrush it with shadows and highlights that compliment Welling's musculature. Maintain Clark's already established primary colors seen on his jackets and T-shirts (red and blue), and use the yellow from Kal-El's blanket (Memoria, Commencement.) Make the size of the shield the same as Jor-El's "scar" (Exodus, Exile and Phoenix), and position it accordingly on his chest. Belt buckle should be oval, just like Jonathan and Jonathan's father wore (Red, Relic, etc), and there should be a shield on the back of the cape (Hereafter.)

Every other design element (since there's little to no precedent to fall back on IN the show), should be tailored to Welling's physique and making sure HE looks good. For example, Tom has a long torso. Aesthetically, low-riding trunks would emphasize that feature, so unless they compensate in other ways, it's probably something they wouldn't want to do. Same for the collar cut, the height of which should be determined based on a tasteful distance between where the logo sits on his chest, and his neck, clavicle and pectoral proportions. Basically, cut the suit to TOM's physique and do it in a way that compliments HIM. And most importantly, keep it simple, stupid. LOL

One would think such wardrobe decisions would be obvious to any designer who's familiar with the character, not to mention has access to the actor who will ultimately be wearing the costume, but it's not, apparently. :rolleyes:

[AgentPat]

^ I just realized that my tangent from physiques into suit design probably came out of left field. Sorry. My train of thought was that, unlike Batman, you SEE Superman's physique through his suit (kind of the whole point). And unlike his younger version, Metropolis Clark Kent doesn't take off his shirt all that much. LOL


...which is a pity. ;)





...for Welling's version, that is. :p

[Serene]

^ I just realized that my tangent from physiques into suit design probably came out of left field. Sorry.
Don't apologize.. I really think you nailed it with this description. I wish you'd send that in to TPTB. :D

Now Supes... that's a whole nutta tang. My preference for Welling's suit is that they use a light, thin material similar to lycra. Custom fit it (obviously) so wrinkles are kept to a minimum, and airbrush it with shadows and highlights that compliment Welling's musculature. Maintain Clark's already established primary colors seen on his jackets and T-shirts (red and blue), and use the yellow from Kal-El's blanket (Memoria, Commencement.) Make the size of the shield the same as Jor-El's "scar" (Exodus, Exile and Phoenix), and position it accordingly on his chest. Belt buckle should be oval, just like Jonathan and Jonathan's father wore (Red, Relic, etc), and there should be a shield on the back of the cape (Hereafter.)

Every other design element (since there's little to no precedent to fall back on IN the show), should be tailored to Welling's physique and making sure HE looks good. For example, Tom has a long torso. Aesthetically, low-riding trunks would emphasize that feature, so unless they compensate in other ways, it's probably something they wouldn't want to do. Same for the collar cut, the height of which should be determined based on a tasteful distance between where the logo sits on his chest, and his neck, clavicle and pectoral proportions. Basically, cut the suit to TOM's physique and do it in a way that compliments HIM. And most importantly, keep it simple, stupid. LOL

[MJZ]

So says the Mod on BTN that has Noooooooooooooooooooooo fans. :O

Well what do you expect considering it's the unofficial site for SR?

I mod the Batman and Flash forums but it's still a predominantly Superman-heavy site.

I'm not gonna change my views just to conform with the masses. I still consider it our old Project VOICE forum.

[MJZ]

Not true!
MJZ is one of my very favorite mods. He's not afraid of being seen with us dreaded "Wellingites." Gotta admire a guy who's not afraid to have his own opinion, even if it goes against the tide. :up:

:) ;)

[AgentPat]

...I'm not gonna change my views just to conform with the masses.....
http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/worthy.gif

Thank you!!

we've got the best of both worlds right now with SV and SR, remind me, what's the problem again?As long as we still have SV, I don't see any problems at all. Nope, none at all. I'm good. :) :up:

[MJZ]

Ahhhh.... another who's bigger debate. God, I love this place. :up:



BoyscouT, I hear what you're saying about lean muscle mass verses bulk, and how it can sometimes take years to develop. No argument there at all. :up: But these actors have access to some of the best trainers in the world (supposedly), not to mention the funds for various supplementation. (I'm talking the legal kind, not the Barry Bond's kind.) Basically, professional actors playing "Superman" *ahem* are not like us poor schmoes. Having a limited amount of time to change their body for a role is no excuse. Two words: Christian Bale. I think Welling is taking the time simply because he can.

Okay, I'm done. :p

[Waves to MJZ :D ]


:D

I think Bale's somewhat genetically predisposed to getting buffed like that. Sure he works extremely hard, but to be able to go from skinny to fat to jacked and back again in a short time frame isn't easy to do. If you look at his development over his film career, he's always been pretty muscular.

Welling's got a great physique but I don't think he's actively trying to get bigger or anything, just to maintain a relative degree of consistency in his look for the show.

Routh, a soap opera veteran, called the physical process of donning the famed suit "humbling and sometimes painful," because of the rigors involved, but he lauds the under-armor and fake musculature. "I recommend it for everyone. Who needs the gym, right?"
http://www.calendarlive.com/movies/cl-ca-superman15jan15,0,4661047.story?coll=cl-home-top-blurb-right

How do you like them apples, boyscout? ;)

[user123456789]

:D

I think Bale's somewhat genetically predisposed to getting buffed like that. Sure he works extremely hard, but to be able to go from skinny to fat to jacked and back again in a short time frame isn't easy to do. If you look at his development over his film career, he's always been pretty muscular.

Welling's got a great physique but I don't think he's actively trying to get bigger or anything, just to maintain a relative degree of consistency in his look for the show.

Routh, a soap opera veteran, called the physical process of donning the famed suit "humbling and sometimes painful," because of the rigors involved, but he lauds the under-armor and fake musculature. "I recommend it for everyone. Who needs the gym, right?"
http://www.calendarlive.com/movies/cl-ca-superman15jan15,0,4661047.story?coll=cl-home-top-blurb-right

How do you like them apples, boyscout? ;)

Genetics does have a part, but nothing beats dedication, proper nutrition, and proper training. Genetics didn't get Christian Bale to what he looked like in American Psycho, I can tell you that.

With Bale, the reason why I think he's able to do that much with his body is simple, MUSCLE MEMORY. Yes, even muscles have memory.

Agree with Welling part.

Even though Routh had a muscle suit, we can't take away credit where it's due. The guy bulked up, no doubt about it. The muscle suit just added some finishing touches here and there, and helped him look more "cut."

I don't understand the apples comment lol.

[AgentPat]

Bale looks pretty thin in every film he's appeared in prior to A Midsummer Night's Dream. Frail, even. Watch Metroland. Wow! Skin-eee! LOL The man is just a machine, however, and a very dedicated one at that. There's a lot to be said for genetics and a predisposition to stress that your body naturally has as well. I've seen it up close and personal.

Welling appears to just be keeping up with where he needs to be based on his situation at any given moment. If there was ever a problem per se, it would be that his "situation" has changed a few times, and possibly when he least expected it. I'll leave it at that. LOL

Routh... If there was ever an example of genetics rearing its head made worse by wardrobe, he's it. His quads responded well to training, but they make his hips look overly wide. Padding in the delts to compensate for narrow shoulders tends to give him a more hourglass figure. The illusion is compounded by the underpadding in the rib area, which was probably done to broaden his lat width, but that makes his chest look more shallow by comparison. Certain design elements of his suit were just a complete failure, IMHO, which is too bad because I'm sure he did his best.

[Scooter]

I never saw that movie - just not into boxing - but I saw the movie poster. (The one over her shoulder.) I wasn't overly impressed, but that's nothing new for me LOL. I'll have to catch it on cable when it airs.

Depends on what he was shooting for. He might have just wanted to look big w/o the overly ripped look, I dunno. Batman is a little different than Superman though since you kind of expect his suit to be more like an armor exoskeleton. I like what they did in BB, and if Bale stays the same size for the sequel, I wouldn't mind.

Now Supes... that's a whole nutta tang. My preference for Welling's suit is that they use a light, thin material similar to lycra. Custom fit it (obviously) so wrinkles are kept to a minimum, and airbrush it with shadows and highlights that compliment Welling's musculature. Maintain Clark's already established primary colors seen on his jackets and T-shirts (red and blue), and use the yellow from Kal-El's blanket (Memoria, Commencement.) Make the size of the shield the same as Jor-El's "scar" (Exodus, Exile and Phoenix), and position it accordingly on his chest. Belt buckle should be oval, just like Jonathan and Jonathan's father wore (Red, Relic, etc), and there should be a shield on the back of the cape (Hereafter.)

Every other design element (since there's little to no precedent to fall back on IN the show), should be tailored to Welling's physique and making sure HE looks good. For example, Tom has a long torso. Aesthetically, low-riding trunks would emphasize that feature, so unless they compensate in other ways, it's probably something they wouldn't want to do. Same for the collar cut, the height of which should be determined based on a tasteful distance between where the logo sits on his chest, and his neck, clavicle and pectoral proportions. Basically, cut the suit to TOM's physique and do it in a way that compliments HIM. And most importantly, keep it simple, stupid. LOL

One would think such wardrobe decisions would be obvious to any designer who's familiar with the character, not to mention has access to the actor who will ultimately be wearing the costume, but it's not, apparently. :rolleyes:

WTF was with making that blanket yellow, anyway? Make it red, have it be the cape - seems like a no-brainer, IMO...

:confused:

[AgentPat]

WTF was with making that blanket yellow, anyway? Make it red, have it be the cape - seems like a no-brainer, IMO...

:confused:LOL! Ya gots me, Scoots. Maybe they just wanted to be different, who knows? It's SV, donchaknow? ;)

[Milkman95]

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/worthy.gif

Thank you!!

As long as we still have SV, I don't see any problems at all. Nope, none at all. I'm good. :) :up:

Well, too bad that won't be the case. SV will be over more than likely next year, and you'll have BR and the new film series carrying on............:)

You'll always have the DVD collection though..........

[Supershizzle]

heh, you dont really think they'd go to the trouble of bringing it over to the new network for just 1 season, do you? Especially after they "raise the stakes" next year...

As for the films, lets see what they do at the B.O. before we start talkiing about sequels. Far better actors and directors have failed in the superhero genre.

[Milkman95]

heh, you dont really think they'd go to the trouble of bringing it over to the new network for just 1 season, do you? Especially after they "raise the stakes" next year...

Yes, I do. If they want to go to a 7th season, they better "raise the stakes" and bring in better writers.......

As for the films, lets see what they do at the B.O. before we start talkiing about sequels. Far better actors and directors have failed in the superhero genre.

Agreed, but I'd say it's pretty safe to say it will do well enough to generate a sequel. WB feels good enough that it's already on the slate for 2009.......

[KalKai]

People were saying it was gonna end in Season 4, it didn't, then they said in Season 5, it's not, you're just another 1 saying it's gonna end at 6.

[AgentPat]

Well, too bad that won't be the case. SV will be over more than likely next year, and you'll have BR and the new film series carrying on............:)http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/delorean.jpg

I just LOVE posts like this.

Psst... Milkman?

...Regardless of who makes this movie, smallville's not gonna air alongside it. When \S/ comes out, SV goes away. There won't be a show to bring down. . . .sorry.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3471423&postcount=14

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/footinmouth.gif

heh, you dont really think they'd go to the trouble of bringing it over to the new network for just 1 season, do you? Especially after they "raise the stakes" next year...

As for the films, lets see what they do at the B.O. before we start talkiing about sequels. Far better actors and directors have failed in the superhero genre.Hey, somebody with a brain. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/thumbsup2.gif

[Supershizzle]

It doesnt take much of brain, just a simple analysis of the financial expectations of each project. Smallville is a proven commodity. It's a niche show on the #5 television network that brings in it's target demo (males 18-34) in droves (comparatively). It's not difficult to talk about it's commercial viability.

The film on the other hand, is anyone's guess. It's attempting to tie itself to a 30 year old movie that was box office gold in it's time, but how that will transfer to this day and age is anyone's guess. Will the film be made relevant to today's audiences? Will kids/teens buy into it? Is it enough of a "summer film" (i.e. action piece) to wow the masses? Will adults pass it off as yet another mundane remake of something that was successful in their youth? There are a lot of questions still up in the air at this point, as we havent seen Superman proper on the big screen in quite some time. Whether Warner Bros has a sequel planned for 2009 is irrelevant at this point. Every parent thinks their baby will grow up to be President. If they didnt think it warranted a sequel, why would they be launching a "tentpole" film like this to begin with? Universal had Hulk 2 on it's docket for 2006 back in 2002. Things change. I hope for Features that the movie is a hit, there are a lot of people who've worked incredibly hard on their end, who deserve it, but the outcome is surely not a foregone conclusion.

[AgentPat]

It doesnt take much of brain, just a simple analysis of the financial expectations of each project. Smallville is a proven commodity. It's a niche show on the #5 television network that brings in it's target demo (males 18-34) in droves (comparatively). It's not difficult to talk about it's commercial viability.

The film on the other hand, is anyone's guess. It's attempting to tie itself to a 30 year old movie that was box office gold in it's time, but how that will transfer to this day and age is anyone's guess. Will the film be made relevant to today's audiences? Will kids/teens buy into it? Is it enough of a "summer film" (i.e. action piece) to wow the masses? Will adults pass it off as yet another mundane remake of something that was successful in their youth? There are a lot of questions still up in the air at this point, as we havent seen Superman proper on the big screen in quite some time. Whether Warner Bros has a sequel planned for 2009 is irrelevant at this point. Every parent thinks their baby will grow up to be President. If they didnt think it warranted a sequel, why would they be launching a "tentpole" film like this to begin with? Universal had Hulk 2 on it's docket for 2006 back in 2002. Things change. I hope for Features that the movie is a hit, there are a lot of people who've worked incredibly hard on their end, who deserve it, but the outcome is surely not a foregone conclusion.Marry me!




Oh snap, I'm already married. Bummer. :(


Amazing post, Shizzle! :up:

[Ultimate_Superman]

Well I for one would have like to have seen SV move on into a Superman series but that wont happen so I am looking forward to the new movie. Also Box office ratings does not always say if there will or will not be a follow up. good example of this was The Punisher. It did bad at the box office because of all the movies that came out around that time but cleaned up on DVD sales which is why we have a follow up to it. But really the way the movie looks and sounds and all of the great reviews coming from people and people who hated the idea of Routh as Superman changing their mind once seeing him in action (not the teaser but comic con clips or sneak peeks) says alot about this movie and that it looks like Routh will be around for a while.

[AgentPat]

...but that wont happen...http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/footinmouth.gif

When will folks ever learn?




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Never. Say. Never.

[C. Lee]

I don't understand the apples comment lol.
Dancing Kitten says....it's just an old country saying.
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[Ultimate_Superman]

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/footinmouth.gif

When will folks ever learn?




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Never. Say. Never.Okay Pat when Hell freezes over then I will believe that Welling will play as Superman in a series

[user123456789]

Dancing Kitten says....it's just an old country saying.
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K, as long as they're granny smith apples.

PS: Congrats on the baby man!

[AgentPat]

Okay Pat when Hell freezes over then I will believe that Welling will play as Superman in a seriesWell sheeeeeitt... Better buy a parka now then. :p

SV is a "series," y'know?




...Baby? C. Lee, you been busy? Congrats man!

[Supershizzle]

Well I for one would have like to have seen SV move on into a Superman series but that wont happen so I am looking forward to the new movie.

Pat is right, never say never. With a certain frivolous lawsuit looming, and the show having a cast that's a known marketable commodity. The idea of taking the next step while the cast is still signed isnt a new one in the hallowed halls of the Brothers Warner....


Also Box office ratings does not always say if there will or will not be a follow up. good example of this was The Punisher. It did bad at the box office because of all the movies that came out around that time but cleaned up on DVD sales which is why we have a follow up to it.

Punisher is not the example you really want SR to follow. It was a small film done by a small production house that broke even in theaters and then profited in about the 15% range after being released on video. All things considered it was a low budget film, with a prod budget of about $33 million. That's a much easier margin to reach.
SR on the other hand is a major studio release, and a tentpole film that WB is basing their summer, if not their year, around. It's prod budget, for arguments sake, is approx $175 million, not counting the massive promotional effort that will start with the release of the trailer next week. If a movie like that just makes back it production budget in theatres, it's considered a bomb. It doesnt have the luxury of surviving based on DVD sales, the margin is too large. Small franchises can survive on the home market because their costs are relatively low, big ones need those box office grosses or they're doomed.

But really the way the movie looks and sounds and all of the great reviews coming from people and people who hated the idea of Routh as Superman changing their mind once seeing him in action (not the teaser but comic con clips or sneak peeks) says alot about this movie and that it looks like Routh will be around for a while.

You cant rely on fan speak to judge the commercial viability of a franchise. The geeks on the Net and the people at the Comic Cons (usually one in the same) make up such a small percentage of revenue (i.e. audience), and are usually deeply biased one way or another. It's akin to making a prediction on who the next President will be by polling one of the candidate's home towns that has a population of 5.000. It's statistically flawed. There are far too many question marks surrounding the Superman frnachise at this point to try and make any kind of accurate prediction about it's long term success.

[avidreader]

^^^^ Supershizzle I hope you plan on hanging around here a while. I like ya alot already. :) :up:

Congrats C. Lee on the baby. :)

[user123456789]

Don't ya'll visit the Community Section? :p

[Serene]

Don't ya'll visit the Community Section? :p

No.

Congrats C. Lee! Babies rock. :)

Supershizzle - I'm getting in line behind Pat to marry you. ;)

[Milkman95]

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/delorean.jpg

I just LOVE posts like this.

Psst... Milkman?

Well, thats why I said "more than likely", not that it would for sure. READ.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3471423&postcount=14

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Hey, somebody with a brain. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/thumbsup2.gif

Yeah, that post was entertaining......

[Milkman95]

It doesnt take much of brain, just a simple analysis of the financial expectations of each project. Smallville is a proven commodity. It's a niche show on the #5 television network that brings in it's target demo (males 18-34) in droves (comparatively). It's not difficult to talk about it's commercial viability.

No, not at all, but to think just because it moved to another network means it's automatically renewed for a 7th season is just as much as a guess as my comment was.

The film on the other hand, is anyone's guess. It's attempting to tie itself to a 30 year old movie that was box office gold in it's time, but how that will transfer to this day and age is anyone's guess. Will the film be made relevant to today's audiences? Will kids/teens buy into it? Is it enough of a "summer film" (i.e. action piece) to wow the masses? Will adults pass it off as yet another mundane remake of something that was successful in their youth? There are a lot of questions still up in the air at this point, as we havent seen Superman proper on the big screen in quite some time. Whether Warner Bros has a sequel planned for 2009 is irrelevant at this point. Every parent thinks their baby will grow up to be President. If they didnt think it warranted a sequel, why would they be launching a "tentpole" film like this to begin with? Universal had Hulk 2 on it's docket for 2006 back in 2002. Things change. I hope for Features that the movie is a hit, there are a lot of people who've worked incredibly hard on their end, who deserve it, but the outcome is surely not a foregone conclusion.

You're right, the recent Animated Series was the only thing that was done well since 1978 in TV or film, everything else has been a departure. Introducing Superman back to audiences is not an easy task, especially with all the different directions the character has gone since then......

-The origin has been told too many times, and it's too close to SV, so that's out. Plus, Donner told the perfect origin story already in my opinion.
-Doing just a stand-alone film with no connectivity would also be tough.
-Doing a SV type film might have worked, but that's also a bigger risk than what they ultimately went with in my opinion.

A Return type story was really a good idea to introduce this character back to movie audiences. It raises some magnificent questions. Most adults and even kids have seen the Reeve films now. A "remake" it surely isn't and the other questions you raise is why Bryan Singer ultimately won the job - reflect the Reeve Superman but update the character to reflect today's climate and atmosphere so new audiences can relate.

Sorry for the non-SV rant, but had to answer.......

[AgentPat]

Well, thats why I said "more than likely", not that it would for sure. READ.Oh, I read it. A few times in fact. You started with a pretty definitive statement: "too bad that won't be the case," and ended said statement the same: "you'll have BR and the new film series carrying on."

I've got a better one... More than likely, you're wrong.

Just "guessing' now. :p ;)

[MJZ]

Pat is right, never say never. With a certain frivolous lawsuit looming, and the show having a cast that's a known marketable commodity. The idea of taking the next step while the cast is still signed isnt a new one in the hallowed halls of the Brothers Warner....



Punisher is not the example you really want SR to follow. It was a small film done by a small production house that broke even in theaters and then profited in about the 15% range after being released on video. All things considered it was a low budget film, with a prod budget of about $33 million. That's a much easier margin to reach.
SR on the other hand is a major studio release, and a tentpole film that WB is basing their summer, if not their year, around. It's prod budget, for arguments sake, is approx $175 million, not counting the massive promotional effort that will start with the release of the trailer next week. If a movie like that just makes back it production budget in theatres, it's considered a bomb. It doesnt have the luxury of surviving based on DVD sales, the margin is too large. Small franchises can survive on the home market because their costs are relatively low, big ones need those box office grosses or they're doomed.



You cant rely on fan speak to judge the commercial viability of a franchise. The geeks on the Net and the people at the Comic Cons (usually one in the same) make up such a small percentage of revenue (i.e. audience), and are usually deeply biased one way or another. It's akin to making a prediction on who the next President will be by polling one of the candidate's home towns that has a population of 5.000. It's statistically flawed. There are far too many question marks surrounding the Superman frnachise at this point to try and make any kind of accurate prediction about it's long term success.


So what kind of work do you do for the studio? This man is on the ball. Welcome. :) :up:

[C. Lee]

Congrats on the baby man! Thanks


...Baby? C. Lee, you been busy? Congrats man!
Thanks...it's just my luck...I retire from work, then this....looks like I have my retirement planned now.:)

Congrats C. Lee on the baby. Thank you

Congrats C. Lee! Babies rock. :)

Supershizzle - I'm getting in line behind Pat to marry you. ;) Thank you.....but my wife hasn't given up the job yet.:)

[Supershizzle]

No, not at all, but to think just because it moved to another network means it's automatically renewed for a 7th season is just as much as a guess as my comment was.

I'm talking in terms of expectations. The new network is expecting Smallville to be around past their inaugural season. It's the most highly rated show on the new network, and even if they have to instill a "shift" in the overall "primary" *cough* scope of the show for the next year or two, they'll be willing to do it, especially since they can continue to use it as a marketing vehicle for their "like-minded" film franchises that will be popping up in '07 and beyond. You're correct though. there are no guarantees. Though the show will really be "taking off" come the end of this season. Having the financial backing of Viacom (CBS) will certainly be used to bolster the show.


You're right, the recent Animated Series was the only thing that was done well since 1978 in TV or film, everything else has been a departure. Introducing Superman back to audiences is not an easy task, especially with all the different directions the character has gone since then......

-The origin has been told too many times, and it's too close to SV, so that's out. Plus, Donner told the perfect origin story already in my opinion.
-Doing just a stand-alone film with no connectivity would also be tough.
-Doing a SV type film might have worked, but that's also a bigger risk than what they ultimately went with in my opinion.

A Return type story was really a good idea to introduce this character back to movie audiences. It raises some magnificent questions. Most adults and even kids have seen the Reeve films now. A "remake" it surely isn't and the other questions you raise is why Bryan Singer ultimately won the job - reflect the Reeve Superman but update the character to reflect today's climate and atmosphere so new audiences can relate.

Sorry for the non-SV rant, but had to answer.......

Well I dont know if I'd say TAS was the only version that's done well since then, unless of course you're talking in terms of content vs. financial viability. But that's neither here nor there. The old movie franchise was a money machine well into the 1980's, and the company made far more on Lois & Clark, as bad as it was, than TAS since it was primetime television vs. an animated weekday show. Smallville is probably the most lucrative Superman franchise to this day, comparatively speaking, if you take into account it's costs vs. the revenue it generates.

But really content doesnt necessarily always factor into the equation of a moneymaker. Titanic, the most successful film of all time, is 2 hours of formulaic crap with more historical inaccuracies than you could shake a stick at. But it made a ton of money at the BO because it had the right factors going for it. It's only drawback was that it was a history piece (loosely) and doesnt lend itself to being a franchise. (Titanic 2: Cruise Control?) ;)

SR needs to have those hooks for the common audience to really bring the crowds in. Seeing as how the movie cost approx $175 million to make plus another say $50 million in promotions (wait until you see some of the stuff those guys have planned, I wish I had their toys to play with.), thats a $225 million hole to start off in, so they'll need them big time. I dont think the story will actually be as important as the visuals. Sometimes like with Hulk, you can have a great story that follows the current comic cannon, but the audience just doesnt care. They want to see him break things and beat the snot out of people, not wrestle with his inner "man vs. monster" conflict. I hope in the case of SR, Singer found a workable balance. I know his X-Men films were a little light on the action, so I do have some cause for concern there. Knowing that there isnt a "super nemesis" in the film is a bit concerning as well.

[Ultimate_Superman]

SR needs to have those hooks for the common audience to really bring the crowds in. Seeing as how the movie cost approx $175 million to make plus another say $50 million in promotions (wait until you see some of the stuff those guys have planned, I wish I had their toys to play with.), thats a $225 million hole to start off in, so they'll need them big time. I dont think the story will actually be as important as the visuals. Sometimes like with Hulk, you can have a great story that follows the current comic cannon, but the audience just doesnt care. They want to see him break things and beat the snot out of people, not wrestle with his inner "man vs. monster" conflict. I hope in the case of SR, Singer found a workable balance. I know his X-Men films were a little light on the action, so I do have some cause for concern there. Knowing that there isnt a "super nemesis" in the film is a bit concerning as well.Now that I agree with you about but why do you have convern over the action? Remember Superman is pretty much in this movie Superman is stopping what ever Lex is about to so its more about how good they make him look when saving the day then action as to say fighting. Now in the next movie I am sure they will have a guy for Superman to fight that will be close to his level then I would worry about action because Singer doesn't do fighting well. But as far as saving the day type of stuff what was done in X-Men well X:2 was pretty much okay. Also I heard anyways Singer has a guest director do the action stuff anyways.

[jas01724]

I think this argument is going to kill me, slowly, braincell by braincell. I agree with never say never. I also advise not being smug when you're "sure" of something, because things can always change. And frequently have.

Que sera, sera. :up:

[AgentPat]

Crikey!! Now THIS is entertainment!!!

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/popcorn.gif


Please, continue. Everybody. :up:

PS: LOL@"primary scope of the show" & "Titanic 2: Cruise Control." Great stuff there. :D

PPS: James, I'll never be smug again (even if I use the winky from time to time). I learned THAT lesson, ahuh!

[Milkman95]

Oh, I read it. A few times in fact. You started with a pretty definitive statement: "too bad that won't be the case," and ended said statement the same: "you'll have BR and the new film series carrying on."

I've got a better one... More than likely, you're wrong.

Just "guessing' now. :p ;)

Well, let's hope I'm wrong, but at the same time, this series is getting so thin right now it's almost transparent, hence the need for the so-called "filler" episodes..........

[Serene]

Que sera, sera. :up:
Wow, James. You sounded just like Doris Day saying that. ;)

Never say never.. good rule to live by.

[Milkman95]

I'm talking in terms of expectations. The new network is expecting Smallville to be around past their inaugural season. It's the most highly rated show on the new network, and even if they have to instill a "shift" in the overall "primary" *cough* scope of the show for the next year or two, they'll be willing to do it, especially since they can continue to use it as a marketing vehicle for their "like-minded" film franchises that will be popping up in '07 and beyond. You're correct though. there are no guarantees. Though the show will really be "taking off" come the end of this season. Having the financial backing of Viacom (CBS) will certainly be used to bolster the show.

Well I dont know if I'd say TAS was the only version that's done well since then, unless of course you're talking in terms of content vs. financial viability. But that's neither here nor there. The old movie franchise was a money machine well into the 1980's, and the company made far more on Lois & Clark, as bad as it was, than TAS since it was primetime television vs. an animated weekday show. Smallville is probably the most lucrative Superman franchise to this day, comparatively speaking, if you take into account it's costs vs. the revenue it generates.

Yes, I was only talking in terms of content, not financial success. I agree SV is the most successful TV series in terms of financial success, but again, being at a new network makes me think a lot of changes could be in store if they want to stretch this thing to at least 7 seasons. Even though they've already broken the rules they originally set, I'm sure it will be pushed even further, which is fine by me.

But really content doesnt necessarily always factor into the equation of a moneymaker. Titanic, the most successful film of all time, is 2 hours of formulaic crap with more historical inaccuracies than you could shake a stick at. But it made a ton of money at the BO because it had the right factors going for it. It's only drawback was that it was a history piece (loosely) and doesnt lend itself to being a franchise. (Titanic 2: Cruise Control?) ;)

I agree, there's plenty of junk out there that made a ton of money - Fantastic Four anyone?

SR needs to have those hooks for the common audience to really bring the crowds in. Seeing as how the movie cost approx $175 million to make plus another say $50 million in promotions (wait until you see some of the stuff those guys have planned, I wish I had their toys to play with.), thats a $225 million hole to start off in, so they'll need them big time. I dont think the story will actually be as important as the visuals. Sometimes like with Hulk, you can have a great story that follows the current comic cannon, but the audience just doesnt care. They want to see him break things and beat the snot out of people, not wrestle with his inner "man vs. monster" conflict. I hope in the case of SR, Singer found a workable balance. I know his X-Men films were a little light on the action, so I do have some cause for concern there. Knowing that there isnt a "super nemesis" in the film is a bit concerning as well.

Well, as far as the budget is concerned, thank God for today's DVD market, toys, TV rights, and other licenses, because I'm sure they took all that into account as well as knowing this is only the beginning of the return for this character. Batman Begins did this wonderfully by the way..........

[Supershizzle]

Yes, I was only talking in terms of content, not financial success. I agree SV is the most successful TV series in terms of financial success, but again, being at a new network makes me think a lot of changes could be in store if they want to stretch this thing to at least 7 seasons. Even though they've already broken the rules they originally set, I'm sure it will be pushed even further, which is fine by me.


I agree, from what I know, since Smallville already works, the other partner "aint gonna fix it," however if it starts to flounder, WB will have a partner to answer to. As far as Smallville goes now, the WB people are still driving all of the creative decisions. There may be some outside factors that "influence" things, but that's not clear as of now. Whereas any new series coming, are being made as joint decisions, hence the recasting of Aquaman for Mercy Reef.


I agree, there's plenty of junk out there that made a ton of money - Fantastic Four anyone?

Thats the guys at Fox for you. I'm convinced they could sell screen doors to submarine owners sometimes.


Well, as far as the budget is concerned, thank God for today's DVD market, toys, TV rights, and other licenses, because I'm sure they took all that into account as well as knowing this is only the beginning of the return for this character. Batman Begins did this wonderfully by the way..........

Yup, for some films, the ancillary revenue sources outpace the movie itself. Hell most of the huge video game titles alone (Madden, Halo) outsell most blockbuster films. One thing to remember though when looking at movie franchises, is that the law of diminishing returnss tends to apply. It's very rare that you get a T2 situation. Most of the time, even gigantic blockbusters like Spider-man, Star Wars, etc. see a dminished revenue stream over the life of the franchises. That's why it's pretty crucial the first one sets the bar high in terms of overall profit.

[Kane]

Wow. I missed all this. Not sure where to start here but for both sides; its somewhat impossible to predict the creative decisions of a network before it launches.

From a content standpoint, I could understand Milkman's desire for SV to end; premise wearing very thin.. being stretched out too long. However, I think an attempt to gain finanicial success from the show due to ratings could be considered more important to a network than the show's actual content. As to when the cast and crew will say enough is enough; thats hard to say. Personally, I'm hoping next season will be the last so that everything can be wrapped up nicely instead of being stretched out any further, and MR can grow his hair back after and be happy.

As to the idea of a future Superman series, Im not saying its impossible.. just seems VERY unlikely if the Superman movie frainchaise continues. My logic for this is the WB making it clear to differenciate Smallville as 'the adventures of young Clark Kent' and SR as 'the adventures of Superman'....Singer and G/M worked so they dont step on each other's toes in a very noticeable way. I think Smallville was also partially the reason why SR wasnt a complete origins story.

Theres also the fact that Batman/Bruce Wayne wasnt allowed to be represented on a TV medium in live action following the launch of the Batman Begins movie franchaise. I could understand WB's logic for this.

That being said, if SR is a complete trainwreck and the movie franchaise will not continue beyond SR, then a Superman followup series to Smallville may be possible, though I'm not sure how keen the actors will be on remaining for another series...

[Max]

It seems a lot of people are rooting against SR for some reason, and theyr'e Superman fans! I just don't get it - we've got the best of both worlds right now with SV and SR, remind me, what's the problem again?

It's not that I'm necessarily rooting against SR, it's just that I'm very familiar with the lead actor, as I watched him for six months on OLTL.

If it was another actor (and I don't mean Welling), I think I'd be more receptive.

[Jedi Master]

hmm why dont brandon routh do a special guest appearnce on smallville..n have them stand side by side, n then we can see who looks better(tom wellin IMO looks better)

[Kane]

Guys, I just came back from the future!

Brandon Routh in Superman Returns 2:

http://www.kal-el.org/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_supes_classic.jpg

:eek:

The power of over-eating and steroids.

[AgentPat]

Well, let's hope I'm wrong, but at the same time, this series is getting so thin right now it's almost transparent, hence the need for the so-called "filler" episodes.........."Thin?" Okay, whatever.

Sometimes, I get the feeling that folks (and this isn't directed at you, Milkman) don't understand what it is that fans of SV, and perhaps more specifically, TW, are connecting with. Sure, there's lots of superhero type stuff going on, which keeps the Superman fans happy...

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[AgentPat]

^ But while that stuff has its level of appeal, it's the emotional attachment to THIS version, THESE moments, and THESE performances that keeps me coming back for more...

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Just because other versions share the same name and "vague" history, it doesn't mean I'll welcome them with open arms - or even want to. In point of fact, I have no vested interest in those other versions beyond the "cool factor" of being entertained on a surface level by another telling of the Superman tale.

With SV, I actually CARE what happens to these characters. There's a HUGE difference. I've watched SV for five years now. I laugh and cry and have sympathy for those characters and want to be with them through their journey. If folks can't relate to that, they shouldn't bother watching the show. Just because it's about Superman is not a good enough reason. JMHO.

[triplet]

^ ....while that stuff has its level of appeal, it's the emotional attachment to THIS version, THESE moments, and THESE performances that keeps me coming back for more...

Just because other versions share the same name and "vague" history, it doesn't mean I'll welcome them with open arms - or even want to. In point of fact, I have no vested interest in those other versions beyond the "cool factor" of being entertained on a surface level by another telling of the Superman tale.

With SV, I actually CARE what happens to these characters. There's a HUGE difference. I've watched SV for five years now. I laugh and cry and have sympathy for those characters and want to be with them through their journey. If folks can't relate to that, they shouldn't bother watching the show. Just because it's about Superman is not a good enough reason. JMHO.

This is EXACTLY how I feel about this...

I love Superman, and have since I was a kid, but the emotional attachment to these particular iterations of the characters is what keeps me coming back...

[Milkman95]

Couldn't agree more Pat - your SV is my LOST. The characters draw me to the show, NOT the story. They do a wonderful job on that show with the characters, just like SV.

SR is at a dis-advantage when you put it that way - they only have 2 - 2.5 hours to deliver, while SV has the ability to get better through the years, which it has at times.

Love the action pics of TW, I'm like you, you like the emotional parts just as much or more - that's why I'm looking forward to how emotional the story in SR is going to be - he's got to deal with something he can't use his powers to solve, which is interesting to me.

And yes, some of the stories have been thin, so I'll chalk up your "whatever" comment as you just being a biased fan, which there's nothing wrong with by the way...........

[Serene]

Damn, Pat.. you've totally outdone yourself with those two posts. And that's saying a LOT.

Couldn't agree more. It's nice to have someone lay it out so clearly for all to see.

I think I have something in my eye now...

[rumpuso]

I might as well just add my support here as well to your magnificent post, Pat. That pretty much sums up why I love this show so much. Smallville has become my 'entertainment' family (as opposed to my 'family' family) . I laugh when they laugh, I cringe when they embarass themselves, and I cry buckets of tears when they face death, or massive disappointments. I feel as if I *know* these characters and because of this, I am with them completely throughout this journey until the end. I love each of them and it upsets me when the show is reduced (by fans) to a silly teen show, or a show about favorite ships. It's so much more, and so fulfilling to me on so many levels then I simply tune out the naysayers and enjoy my hour every week.

[AgentPat]

^ Thanks, gang! :D

Couldn't agree more Pat - your SV is my LOST. The characters draw me to the show, NOT the story. They do a wonderful job on that show with the characters, just like SV.

SR is at a dis-advantage when you put it that way - they only have 2 - 2.5 hours to deliver, while SV has the ability to get better through the years, which it has at times.

Love the action pics of TW, but like you, you like the emotional parts just as much or more - that's why I'm looking forward to how emotional the story in SR is going to be - he's got to deal with something he can't use his powers to solve, which is interesting to me.Hey, we're on the same page! Awesome. :up:

I think it's more than just a matter of getting better through the years though. The episodic nature of television lets audiences get to know the characters intimately and therefore grow attached to those specific iterations. With SR, audiences will be asked to buy into a world where Superman already exists. (Not difficult - just something of note.) But then we'll have to accept that he disappeared for a time (within the fiction of the film) and then *care* that his former GF Lois Lane moved on, found a new BF, and had a child. The director will want us to be emotionally moved by that turn of events and sympathize with Clark and his loss, which technically, Clark brought upon himself.

Sounds familiar, kinda sorta. ;)

But right now, the synopsis doesn't blow my skirt up because there's nothing inherently "special" about it, other than the character being Superman of course. Odd way of looking at it, I guess, but maybe those folks who call SV "Dawson's Creek with superpowers" will understand, I dunno. [shrugs]

One thing's for sure though, this summer should prove to be quite interesting. :)

[Milkman95]

^ Thanks, gang! :D

Hey, we're on the same page! Awesome. :up:

I think it's more than just a matter of getting better through the years though. The episodic nature of television lets audiences get to know the characters intimately and therefore grow attached to those specific iterations. With SR, audiences will be asked to buy into a world where Superman already exists. (Not difficult - just something of note.) But then we'll have to accept that he disappeared for a time (within the fiction of the film) and then *care* that his former GF Lois Lane moved on, found a new BF, and had a child. The director will want us to be emotionally moved by that turn of events and sympathize with Clark and his loss, which technically, Clark brought upon himself.

I think the "Return" story has a double meaning - he's returning within the fiction of the film and the character is finally returning to theatres after almost 20 years, which I think is interesting. On top of what you described about Kal-El returning, he also has to deal with the whole world turning their back on him - people learned to live without Superman, which is interesting to me. What type of impact does he actually have? It also doesn't help that Lex has learned even more about him, and has become even more powerful. Should be fun.

Sounds familiar, kinda sorta. ;)

Yes it does, a little bit.......

But right now, the synopsis doesn't blow my skirt up because there's nothing inherently "special" about it, other than the character being Superman of course. Odd way of looking at it, I guess, but maybe those folks who call SV "Dawson's Creek with superpowers" will understand, I dunno. [shrugs]

One thing's for sure though, this summer should prove to be quite interesting. :)

See, that's where I think differently, and based on your emotional ties to the character, it should interest you more. I think what's special about it for me is I get the best of both worlds - I get to hear the Williams theme again, it's got a vague connectivity to the Donner film, but yet it's going to have some great new elements that this character has never been in before, especially emotionally. SR has a chill factor written all over it, but again, that's just my opinion.........:)

SV also has that chill factor, especially when his future is referred to......

[Ultimate_Superman]

I agree with you Milkman. Once again I think both the movies and TV show and Cartoons and comics are all good and tell great stories of Superman, Superboy, or a young Clark Kent in their own rights I hold none higher then the other because their different stories its all about IMO what you just have a taste for right now. Do you want to see Clark learning (in a matter of speaking) about himself, or do you wish to see him as a Cartoon today working by himself in the 40's and 90's or teaming up with Batman and Wonder Woman or do you wish to believe a man can fly today? See its all what you have a taste for I love SV (though it is letting me down these last 2 seasons) and JLU and I am sure I will love SR as well its just some people have a taste only for SV, some have it only for SR and some have t for everything dealing with Superman.

[AgentPat]

I think the "Return" story has a double meaning - he's returning within the fiction of the film and the character is finally returning to theatres after almost 20 yearsOh, I know that. :) But the fact that he's returning to theaters is... well... not that big of a deal to me. I'm not a huge film-goer. The best part of it being a major motion picture is the budget such a production warrants. I'm sure it will be fun to see in the theater, but I'm all about watching films and shows at home... repeatedly. LOL

he also has to deal with the whole world turning their back on him - people learned to live without Superman, which is interesting to me.Yeah, I guess. It's a lot like KC on that level, I suppose. It's still not blowing my skirt up though. Speaking within the fiction here, people lived w/o Superman for most of their existence. Unless Zod comes back or something *ahem* (which is perhaps what Shizzle was eluding to yesterday with the lack of a "super"villain), people would move on just fine w/o Superman, I would think. Sure, there would be natural disasters, terrible accidents, and world wars, but what else is new? [Will Smith Voice]Welcome to Earth.[/Will Smith Voice] LOL

What type of impact does he actually have?Pretty grand, I'd say. World-turning, in fact (pun intended).

It also doesn't help that Lex has learned even more about him, and has become even more powerful. Should be fun.See, the thing with Luthor is, he gets more powerful by tapping into Kryptonian technology. I wonder if Singer's Clark will lament that too?

See, that's where I think differently, and based on your emotional ties to the character, it should interest you more.It's not just any ole character - it's SV's version of the character. Just because there's a Clark Kent in a film called Superman Returns doesn't mean I'm gonna think of him the same way I think "my" Clark. You know, the one in SV. I have zero emotional attachment to BR's Clark and no vested interest in him... (yet.)

I think what's special about it for me is I get the best of both worlds - I get to hear the Williams theme again, it's got a vague connectivity to the Donner film, but yet it's going to have some great new elements that this character has never been in before, especially emotionally. SR has a chill factor written all over it, but again, that's just my opinion.........:)And you're entitled to it. So far, the story as advertised leaves me cold, though that's probably a different chill factor.

SV also has that chill factor, especially when his future is referred to......Indeed. :up:

[triplet]

I might as well just add my support here as well to your magnificent post, Pat. That pretty much sums up why I love this show so much. Smallville has become my 'entertainment' family (as opposed to my 'family' family) . I laugh when they laugh, I cringe when they embarass themselves, and I cry buckets of tears when they face death, or massive disappointments. I feel as if I *know* these characters and because of this, I am with them completely throughout this journey until the end. I love each of them and it upsets me when the show is reduced (by fans) to a silly teen show, or a show about favorite ships. It's so much more, and so fulfilling to me on so many levels then I simply tune out the naysayers and enjoy my hour every week.

Word!

:D :up:

[Kane]

This is my take. I personally dont care about forming longterm emotional connections with the characters, I just want a solid, entertaining film (writing-wise) that nails Superman perfectly. I wasnt looking for emotional connections in Batman Begins either but the movie became insanely popular and well respected because it was a solid film that captured the essense of Batman well.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Good Point Kane

[triplet]

This is my take. I personally dont care about forming longterm emotional connections with the characters, I just want a solid, entertaining film (writing-wise) that nails Superman perfectly. I wasnt looking for emotional connections in Batman Begins either but the movie became insanely popular and well respected because it was a solid film that captured the essense of Batman well.

Thing is, Kane, having an emotional connection to the characters is vital in good storytelling.

Vital.

If you don't care about the characters, why would you care whether or not they survive the ordeals they go through?

Actually, Goyer did a fantastic job with the BB script. It was highly exciting but it also had some terrific character development for Bruce... I loved Bruce in BB.

I wish I could give you a good example, but if the hero doesn't connect with the audience, it doesn't matter how big the film is or how "correctly" the character is portrayed, it won't bring in the audiences.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I wish I could give you a good example, but if the hero doesn't connect with the audience, it doesn't matter how big the film is or how "correctly" the character is portrayed, it won't bring in the audiences.Examples Hulk, Daredevil.

[blksuperman2]

Well, Daredevil did pretty well for a February release. I remember it had the biggest opening weekend for a Valentine weekend or something. I'm not saying that it was a blockbuster, but it didn't tank like Hulk did.

[Kane]

Actually, Goyer did a fantastic job with the BB script. It was highly exciting but it also had some terrific character development for Bruce... I loved Bruce in BB.

I wish I could give you a good example, but if the hero doesn't connect with the audience, it doesn't matter how big the film is or how "correctly" the character is portrayed, it won't bring in the audiences.

I could relate to the character of Bruce Wayne, but Im not sure if that was because of the film or my prior knowledge of what Bruce was all about. The fact is BB delievered the essense of what I wanted to see in the character perfectly. I didnt want another campy Schumaccer film.

Hopefully Bryan is able to make the character come off as something out of everyone's collective memory of Superman.

David Goyer also saw ten minutes of Superman Returns several months ago. He claimed Bryan nailed the Superman perfectly and he was impressed. Thats high praise.

Ive tried to connect with the characters of Smallville, often its just way too hard. Martha and Clark seem the most consistent, though often I cant always agree with alot of Clark's emotionally driven bad decisions. I used to love Lionel, but hes changed way too many times... now I cant even read him. Lex was also another favorite till he became bipolar, conviently acting evil around season finales and premieres then mellowing out in the midseason. Lanas kinda all over the place..

I suppose with a long drawn out television series, you have to take the good with the bad alot. Theres many different writers, different styles and different views and ideas. With the film, I just want one view and hopefully two and a half hours of good. I certainly thought BB was good all the way through, no complaints with it.

[Kane]

Examples Hulk, Daredevil.

I liked the concept of Daredevil but some of the direction wasnt that good. Jennifer Garner as Elektra kinda ruined the movie for me. Her character sucked.

I could definately connect with Matt Murdoc though, Ben did an okay job.

[triplet]

Examples Hulk, Daredevil.

Yeah, I'm not sure why Hulk failed.

It had a good cast and an excellent director, but there was something... remote feeling about it. It didn't engage me emotionally at all.

I didn't really care about hulk at all... His father freaking out was just weird.

Daredevil was bad because it seemed like they didn't get it and didn't play it seriously. It's like the actors didn't buy into it.... they don't believe in it, they can't sell it.

*shrug*

Kinda like the opposite of Gladiator. Worst damned dialogue ever written (except for that busy little bee speech and Max talking about his home to the emperor - but those speeches weren't written by the credited writers, go figure), but the actors and the director all believed in the story and were able to sell it.

I loved Maximus... Hokey plot and drek filled dialogue aside. He made me care for him.

You need to care about the welfare of the characters, or the huge set piece action sequences won't matter....

[Kane]

Yeah, I'm not sure why Hulk failed.

It had a good cast and an excellent director, but there was something... remote feeling about it. It didn't engage me emotionally at all.

I didn't really care about hulk at all... His father freaking out was just weird.


I thought Hulk wasnt very good. Bana was okay, the director is great (with the exception of his latest film :down ) but the villian for it wasnt very good. The story wasnt that compelling. The ending was weird. Some of the scenes shot were pretty whacked. Hulk fighting those dogs were pretty dumb.

Marvel is very hit and miss with its films. I think thats the reason DC is more keen on doing one huge movie per year instead of several. Too bad theres nothing for 2007, gonna be a dull year for DC after this one.

[Pickle-El]

It's not that I'm necessarily rooting against SR, it's just that I'm very familiar with the lead actor, as I watched him for six months on OLTL.

If it was another actor (and I don't mean Welling), I think I'd be more receptive.


The fact that he was a finalist for both McG and Ratner before Singer eventually picked him, gives me even more hope....obviously, all 3 saw 'something'.

I just hope I haven't been saying 'don't kill the guy yet' for the last 1 1/2 years, doesn't come back to bite me in the ass. :o

[MJZ]

The fact that he was a finalist for both McG and Ratner before Singer eventually picked him, gives me even more hope....obviously, all 3 saw 'something'.

I just hope I haven't been saying 'don't kill the guy yet' for the last 1 1/2 years, doesn't come back to bite me in the ass. :o

Yeah, and look at McG and Ratner's favorite candidates. All those guys are the same. Well, aside from the fact that Routh was the only brown-eyed one out of that batch of "he-men..."

[Pickle-El]

Yeah, and look at McG and Ratner's favorite candidates. All those guys are the same. Well, aside from the fact that Routh was the only brown-eyed one out of that batch of "he-men..."

Unknowns?

Otherwise, you're generalizing quite a large group of actors.....the major difference between the directors though, is the resumes. :)

[MJZ]

Unknowns?

Otherwise, you're generalizing quite a large group of actors.....the major difference between the directors though, is the resumes. :)

I meant skinny emo pretty-boys. My bad! :)

I had high hopes when Singer was announced, but for some reason he's felt the need to re-hash STM for a new generation. Sigh.

[Milkman95]

Well, STM to this day holds up, so that's not necessarily a bad thing. Plus, just because he's using STM as a history of sorts to this film, does not make it a complete re-hash.

[Darthphere]

So is it me or has Tom Welling been working out?

[AgentPat]

Well, STM to this day holds up, so that's not necessarily a bad thing. Plus, just because he's using STM as a history of sorts to this film, does not make it a complete re-hash.Agreed... to a point. Even SV borrows elements from what Donner created. But in my opinion, Singer took the opportunity to pay homage to a whole new level indulgence. But this is re-heeely *off-topic* for this forum and thread, so I'll just re-direct you to a post (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6056258#post6056258) by Gil from BT's from last year. He summed it up well.

So is it me or has Tom Welling been working out?Ya think? LOL Whatever it is, he sure *looks* like he's got more beef hanging off those bones this season.

[Milkman95]

Sorry about the off-topic, but those were my immediate thoughts, so I had to respond. I've known Gill for a while now, and I remember that post and respect it. In the end, WB probably thought this was the safest route to go, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see............

Welling better be working out.........

[Ultimate_Superman]

Now even though I did say Daredevil the DC verison of Daredevil owns all if it was put on the big screen. IMO the story in the DC verison is up there with X-Men.

[MJZ]

Well, STM to this day holds up, so that's not necessarily a bad thing. Plus, just because he's using STM as a history of sorts to this film, does not make it a complete re-hash.

Oh it's a complete re-hash, with updated SFX and a few minor changes. Oldguy detailed this quite well in the SR forum.

[Darthphere]

Oh it's a complete re-hash, with updated SFX and a few minor changes. Oldguy detailed this quite well in the SR forum.


True that.

[Pickle-El]

Oh it's a complete re-hash, with updated SFX and a few minor changes. Oldguy detailed this quite well in the SR forum.

Oldguy....:rolleyes:

MJZ, I thought you were better than that....I might as well call BB a re-hash of Batman 89 as well. (Oh, and pretend it's April of 05 as I type that last comment as well) :o

[MJZ]

Oldguy....:rolleyes:

MJZ, I thought you were better than that....I might as well call BB a re-hash of Batman 89 as well. (Oh, and pretend it's April of 05 as I type that last comment as well) :o

BB was fantastic but there were portions of it that followed the previous Burton/Schumacher formula to a tee.

I love BB but if I wanted to I could easily rip it apart if I so desired.

It'll be interesting to see if SR's legions of fanboys will have such intellectual honesty. I doubt it.

[Pickle-El]

BB was fantastic but there were portions of it that followed the previous Burton/Schumacher formula to a tee.

I love BB but if I wanted to I could easily rip it apart if I so desired.

It'll be interesting to see if SR's legions of fanboys will have such intellectual honesty. I doubt it.

We're really off-topic....lets change channels before the girls get angry at us and (gulp) start yapping our ears off. :eek:

[Serene]

We're really off-topic....lets change channels before the girls get angry at us and (gulp) start yapping our ears off. :eek:
Wtf?
Are you kidding, Pickle? Or have I been giving you too much credit?

[Pickle-El]

Wtf?
Are you kidding, Pickle? Or have I been giving you too much credit?


I was joking about the yapping part....but we are off topic quite a bit. We're talking about Batman now. :o

[user123456789]

I was joking about the yapping part....but we are off topic quite a bit. We're talking about Batman now. :o

Batman TAS on Boomerang right now.

[user123456789]

Whoa, Nick Lachey and TW have similar builds.

[AgentPat]

Scarfed from K-Site...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/spell12.jpg

Whoa, Nick Lachey and TW have similar builds.At 5'9½, he's a lot shorter than Welling, so that kind of throws off the overall size a bit, but yeah, they are similar...

http://www.people.virginia.edu/~jes9t/images/Atlantis/nick_and_jessica1.jpg

Lachey has nice delts, which give him a good width across the shoulders. (I have no idea how recent that photo is - I just Googled him.)

Welling has better developed traps, which gives him a hanging shoulder look similar to Bale's. He also has more mass going on, particularly in the torso, which is thicker and wider...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/hypnotic1.jpg

[Milkman95]

Oh it's a complete re-hash, with updated SFX and a few minor changes. Oldguy detailed this quite well in the SR forum.

You've got to be kidding me - well, since Oldguy said it, I guess we don't have to see the film for ourselves now, he filled us in..........:rolleyes:

[MJZ]

You've got to be kidding me - well, since Oldguy said it, I guess we don't have to see the film for ourselves now, he filled us in..........:rolleyes:

Your eloquent rebuttals never cease to amaze. ;)

[KalKai]

Happy 29th Birthday, Welling. :D

[triplet]

Happy Birthday, Tom!

(But it's a day early... his birthday isn't until tomorrow...)

[Serene]

http://www.mastermindtoys.com/store/Assets/product_images/41215.gif

:D :up: ;)

[MJZ]

Oddly enough I just found this pic of my hero Jimmy C that strangely resembles Welling a bit:

http://www.geocities.com/reelcaviezel/catchredeemed.jpg

[eXperiment]

Why?

[KikiDee]

Oddly enough I just found this pic of my hero Jimmy C that strangely resembles Welling a bit:

http://www.geocities.com/reelcaviezel/catchredeemed.jpg

Ummm....NO.

[avidreader]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TOM

[Jlandsw]

Happy Birthday, Tom!!!

[Ultimate_Superman]

Happy Birthday, Welling. I wish you were the Superman in my Avay

[Supershizzle]

I wish Superman was in your avvy period.....

[Ultimate_Superman]

He is to bad you dont like the guy picked.

[BaK]

He is to bad you dont like the guy picked.
so who is that, tom cruise ?

[Serene]

I wish Superman was in your avvy period.....
so who is that, tom cruise?

LOL! :D
Thanks to you both for a good hearty laugh, after a long hard day.

[triplet]

so who is that, tom cruise ?

LOL! :D

:up:

Too funny....

[Milkman95]

I wish Superman was in your avvy period.....

Like Kane said in the other thread, drop your skirt already..............

[rumpuso]

http://www.mastermindtoys.com/store/Assets/product_images/41215.gif

:D :up: ;)
Awwww! This is precious! I just now noticed this.

[Serene]

Awwww! This is precious! I just now noticed this.


I totally crack myself up sometimes - and I'm often the only one laughing. :D
Isn't that a sign of becoming a crazy lady?
;)

[AgentPat]

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/fanatic5.jpg

^^ It's amazing how fast my whole gestalt on the big picture is snapped back into perspective when I see a photo like this. ^^

Talk about a wake up call. *sigh*



Caffeine helps too...

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/coffee.gif

[AgentPat]

LMAO!!!

Um... Did y'all see the main page at Yahoo (http://www.yahoo.com/) today? There's a section on the left about what people search for.

Today's topic: "How do we measure hunky hotness? Well, we could check the latest in shirtless searches."

Guess who came in at #3? :p

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/transference12.jpg

[triplet]

Hey, vote for Tom in Sexiest Movie Leading Man, Sexiest Rising TV star and Sexiest Star of a TV drama!

http://www.instyle.com/instyle/poll/gdml/0,25554,1187868,00.html

:D

[Whiteflag]

I voted! :)

Thanks, AgentPat! Your pics and your comments make me very happy!

[avidreader]

I cant find the Tom Welling as Superman Thread, so I'll post what I was going to say in this thread.

I want to thank Tom Welling for putting in such an incredible amount of time and effort into exploring the depths of this remarkable and indepth character.

Tom has been able to show us that Clark Kent is not just a man who is capable of performing clever stunts with special effects week in and week out.

His efforts in studying the man behind the costume for an amazing length of time, five years to date and about to go into six, have not gone unnoticed by this fan.

:) :up:

[Ultimate_Superman]

I remember seeing or hearing a rumor that Tom was suppose to be apart of Sky High what happened to that or was it even ever true?

[AgentPat]

Because sometimes we forget, here's my reality confirmation for oh so many things...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/vessel3.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/vessel4.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/superman.gif

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/vessel5.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/cry.gif

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/vessel6.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/cloud9.gif

[avidreader]

Thanks Pat! Verra nice indeed. Verra nice. :up:

ps. I never forget.

[AgentPat]

Thanks Pat! Verra nice indeed. Verra nice. :up:

ps. I never forget. Well, I don't either. But it's nice to be reminded. There's soooooo many things to love about SV, but I'll always fall back on numero uno. :D

[DvilDog]

What i am actually amazed about with TW most of all. His acting. In 5 years how far he has actually come. I mean personally i thought his acting in the first couple of seasons were mediocre at best. But it seems to me that for some reason at the beginning of season 3 he just took off. I think he gets better in every episode. And i so wish that eventually he will play Superman( probably not gonna happen. Dang i know you girls out there wanna see him in the tights) But more than that i just hope after SV is over he still is able to pull the roles. Cause i honestly believe he has the ability to do a lot of different character acting. Maybe even(shudders at the thought) a villain or killer.

[Scooter]

This kid needs a friggin' haircut.

[DvilDog]

That i agree with whole heartedly

[KalKai]

This kid needs a friggin' haircut.

You got some problem with long hair on males? are you bald? lol. :D

The other kid is the 1 that needs a hair cut.

[DvilDog]

No he just needs a trim but i guess for smallville the unkept farmboy hair cut is perfect. His hair doesnt matter to me one way or another. Do i think he needs a hair cut? yes but if he doesnt get one, its not gonna make me stop loving sv lol. And yes Routh needed a nice trim too, but like i have said its a different vision of what supes is. just like sv.

[Scooter]

You got some problem with long hair on males? are you bald? lol. :D

Bald, no. There are few sights in all of nature more breathtaking than seeing my glistening golden locks caught ablaze in the afternoon sun. Truly, it is poetry.

;)

Anyway, he looks like a damn dirty hippie. And Superman isn't a hippie. If anything, he's the high-trousers wearing dad who breaks up the bong-circle every afternoon and loudly-scoffs at Joe Namath's unruly sideburns.

[Kane]

No! You shall respect the Super Mullet!!!!!

..

and have one of these:

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g270/TWpics2/Funnies%20April1/clarkbar3.jpg


I just came into this thread wondering why it was ressurected, wondering if a new Welling tv/movie project was announced.... but guess not.

[KalKai]

No he just needs a trim but i guess for smallville the unkept farmboy hair cut is perfect. His hair doesnt matter to me one way or another. Do i think he needs a hair cut? yes but if he doesnt get one, its not gonna make me stop loving sv lol. And yes Routh needed a nice trim too, but like i have said its a different vision of what supes is. just like sv.

Was talking about this kid:

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/435/vlcsnap69194489df.png

[DvilDog]

Was talking about this kid:

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/435/vlcsnap69194489df.png


see it is getting late lol. I just assumed since we were in the TW thread we were talking about TW. I do apologize.

[Kane]

Hes just a little kid, about 4-5 ...they always have longer hair.

Brandon's hair is about the same length as Reeve in Superman 2. Its just right. He puts his hair in his face for the CK disguise anyways.

[The Caped Knight]

Was talking about this kid:

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/435/vlcsnap69194489df.png

Hey leave the kid along . He looks fine .

[KalKai]

Always? No.

People want to kill that kid Kal-El 8, lol.

[Kane]

He looks like Bosworth alot... nothing like Brandon.

Theres still hope Superman has nothing to do with this kid.

[KalKai]

Back on topic..

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/9233/oracle24ro.jpg

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/4496/oracle13vw.jpg

[Scooter]

Yeah, it looks like a dog fell asleep on his head.

[Kane]

Hes trying to mimic the teen Clark look from Superman the Movie (Jeff East) I think...so give him a break about the hair.

Its longer to try to make him look younger, even though hes nowhere close to believeable as a 19 yr old.

[Scooter]

It definitley makes him look younger.

[KalKai]

Who are you talking about? He isn't trying to mimic anyone, Welling's hair was always long.

[Kane]

I mean the way its always been styled by the show's makeup/wardrobe.

I always thought they were trying to mimic the Jeff East look to make the character seem like he came out of our vague memories of young clark.

http://www.dragongraphs.com/HeroesVillains/JeffEast.jpg