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Im going to say this only once. Tom Welling is such a beautiful man, that it perfectly suits the Perfect man. He is so good looking, it seems like the only possible explination is that he is an alien. Im completely straight. I dont care if you believe me. Not only is he good looking, he looks just like Superman.
I'm straight as well and I will say that his face does have feminine features which typically is what gets a lot of males considered "GQ" Thing is, Superman isn't supposed to look like an A&F model with bigger lips (angeline jolie like actually) and a j nose (which yes is a feminine feature). He should be a bit more of a rugged face and a straighter more masculine nose imo. I think that ended up being the difference look wise that puts Routh over Welling for Superman. Women may find themselves more attracted to the feminine features of Welling, but for the actual look of Superman Routh has more facial features that would work.
darkzombiemutt
11-02-2004, 10:47 AM
the only think i like about Rouths appearance as Superman is his big square chin. I understand where you are coming from JCDC, honestly. I just like the idea of superman being Angellic (sp?). It makes him look more trustworthy then the buiser look. IMO. Superman shouldnt look mean normally. Welling has the ability to look menecing, "feminine features" or not.
triplet
11-02-2004, 10:52 AM
I don't understand where this feminine thing comes from, it just because of his lips?
I think the prominence of his lips could be partly due to make-up... they weren't as obvious when he was playing "Lionel" in Transference.
I swear sometimes they slather way too much lip gloss on his lips, but it must be a Vancouver make-up thing...
Jenson Ackles, who doesn't normally have very pink lips, has very pink lips in this show.
I so don't get the femine features comments. Plus from what I've seen of pictures Roth has bigger lips. Now Wellings nose isnt big enough that is the sillest backpeddling yet :rolleyes: . To me feminine features are small soft and rounded. Not angular and large.
I so don't get the femine features comments. Plus from what I've seen of pictures Roth has bigger lips. Now Wellings nose isnt big enough that is the sillest backpeddling yet :rolleyes: . To me feminine features are small soft and rounded. Not angular and large.
Welling's nose goes in a J shape which indeed is a feminine quality, any art teacher can tell you that. Also he does have big pouty lips like that of Angeline Jolie which is quite feminine.
The Sage
11-02-2004, 11:05 AM
JcDc, there's no point in being in this thread my friend. You won't get anywhere. :o
darkzombiemutt
11-02-2004, 11:07 AM
Im going to generalize here for a minute. I think guys know he is an attractive man, and to justify this, he must be femine looking. Guys tend to think that commenting on another guy being attractive will make them no look straight or something, I dunno. Alot of men have a hard time with that, just cuz a guy is attractive doesnt make him less manly. Its like your only manly if you have some scars and are a bit dirty looking. I dont get it. Ive been called a pretty boy before but does that make me look feminine? I dont think so. But I do have some scars now...
I'm straight as well and I will say that his face does have feminine features which typically is what gets a lot of males considered "GQ" Thing is, Superman isn't supposed to look like an A&F model with bigger lips (angeline jolie like actually) and a j nose (which yes is a feminine feature). He should be a bit more of a rugged face and a straighter more masculine nose imo. I think that ended up being the difference look wise that puts Routh over Welling for Superman. Women may find themselves more attracted to the feminine features of Welling, but for the actual look of Superman Routh has more facial features that would work.
Routh's rather pretty as well. I don't need to post those god-awful pics from his site to prove that.
Nothing "rugged" about him either, or Welling for that matter. I wouldn't even consider Reeve that. John Schneider? Now that's "rugged."
The Sage
11-02-2004, 11:09 AM
Not only Schneider, but JC as well.
JcDc, there's no point in being in this thread my friend. You won't get anywhere. :o
Well for what it's worth here is a better explanation of what I mean for those who don't get it.
Look at the nose, Welling has a slight curve that goes inward which is known as a "J" angle which is known as a more feminine nose. As for the lips, they are a bit pouty much like that of Angeline Jolie which also looks rather feminine imo.
In itself feminine features do generally appear more attractive. So while Tom is seen more attractive that Routh, it doesn't necessarily mean that being more "attractive" is a better look for Superman.
I think part of why Routh got the role in the looks dept is his facial features while not perfectly masculine, are rugged enough to pull off the face of Superman. Welling imo while having good looks, doesn't have the right kind of face for Superman's average facial features and a bit more rugged look.
http://www.gifforyou.com/adry/men/tw10244.jpg
http://www.fan-sites.org/tom-welling/pparede/p008.jpg
http://users2.ev1.net/~jemhadar/images/maelstroms_eye/me2-029-angelina_jolie_001_esquire.jpg
Routh's rather pretty as well. I don't need to post those god-awful pics from his site to prove that.
Nothing "rugged" about him either, or Welling for that matter. I wouldn't even consider Reeve that. John Schneider? Now that's "rugged."
Strictly on facial features though, Routh could be made to look more rugged due to proportions of his face than Welling for example could.
jas01724
11-02-2004, 11:13 AM
Welling's nose goes in a J shape which indeed is a feminine quality, any art teacher can tell you that.
Art teachers basically tell you that as a short-cut. If you can't draw particularly well - or even if you can - adding a "feminine" nose to a drawing is instantly going to give you an easier time when trying to draw a convincing woman. But the truth is that in REAL LIFE, there's no such thing. And any art teacher could tell you that too. I've spoken to enough of them over the past ten years myself...
Any plastic surgeon will tell you that men go for a more straight nose and women go for more of an inward J like featured nose because it's considered more feminine.
Anyways take a look at Routh
http://img8.exs.cx/img8/7452/coldcase107-73.jpg
He looks a bit more plain and has more average features to his face, probably not considered to most as really attractive... But the same was actually said about Reeve who's got similar type of features (no I'm not saying that means they look like twins either :rolleyes: ) Hell, look at the pics of the article when Reeve was announced. They called him "semi attractive" I believe :o
Welling may be more attractive but that's not necessarily an asset for the character of Superman.
Serene
11-02-2004, 11:26 AM
Welling's nose goes in a J shape which indeed is a feminine quality, any art teacher can tell you that. Also he does have big pouty lips like that of Angeline Jolie which is quite feminine.
I think you should share with the whole class whatever it is you smoke before posting in this forum. ;)
Full lips are generally sexy, male or female. You may find him attractive in a feminine way.. but most of the women (and maybe a few men) here would agree that his masculinity is not only sufficient, it's over and above. The whole male/female thing is subjective as hell anyway. All I can go with is how my staunchly heterosexual female self finds his look to be extremely sexy. Hearing what a truly nice guy he is and how devoted he is to his wife in interviews, is just frosting. Sexy is as sexy does.
DZM - Your security in your own looks and those of other men is refreshing. :)
triplet
11-02-2004, 11:28 AM
Welling's nose goes in a J shape which indeed is a feminine quality, any art teacher can tell you that. Also he does have big pouty lips like that of Angeline Jolie which is quite feminine.
He's not feminine, and I'm curious why you think women would find him attractive because of that...
Personally, men that look like women (there are some, Clay Aiken anyone?) don't do a thing for me. I think Keanu Reeves looks more feminine (softer, more rounded features) than TW.
He's got sharp angles in his face that would be scary on a woman, including his nose.
I took a lot of painting and drawing classes in school and I would have never pegged his nose as feminine either.
I wish they were photos I could find of him from Transference as Lionel, but he can be a bad ass too:
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/smallville/pheonix2.jpg
jas01724
11-02-2004, 11:33 AM
Any plastic surgeon will tell you that men go for a more straight nose and women go for more of an inward J like featured nose because it's considered more feminine.
They gor for that because they're conditioned by society to follow stereotypes - stereotypes that continue to be perpetuated by all and sundry, including yourself.
Being a stereotype doesn't make something right.
Put Tom's nose on a woman, and you end up with Sarah Jessica Parker - a woman who is undoubtedly beautiful, but hardly has what you'd call really feminine features.
triplet
11-02-2004, 11:38 AM
Well for what it's worth here is a better explanation of what I mean for those who don't get it.
Look at the nose, Welling has a slight curve that goes inward which is known as a "J" angle which is known as a more feminine nose. As for the lips, they are a bit pouty much like that of Angeline Jolie which also looks rather feminine imo.
In itself feminine features do generally appear more attractive. So while Tom is seen more attractive that Routh, it doesn't necessarily mean that being more "attractive" is a better look for Superman.
I think part of why Routh got the role in the looks dept is his facial features while not perfectly masculine, are rugged enough to pull off the face of Superman. Welling imo while having good looks, doesn't have the right kind of face for Superman's average facial features and a bit more rugged look.
You're being very selective in your use of images... Those are from his modeling days (from about 5 years ago) and in the top one his lips were even emphasized using some sort of digital manipulation... Not good examples to prove your point.
Also, his lips are hardly carbon copies of Angelina Jolie's...
AgentPat
11-02-2004, 11:41 AM
I should have known. Just noticed the veritable explosion of posts in this thread over the last 20 minutes or so. JcDc strikes again. :rolleyes:
The Sage
11-02-2004, 11:44 AM
Bah, I can do better than you JcDc. :p
Later on, would it be okay if I compared some old Welling pics to some more recent ones? Just wanted to show the transformation to Clark Kent, something I did with Reeve over in the Superman forums. :)
The Sage
11-02-2004, 11:46 AM
I've been kind of trigger happy with screencapping lately. :D
triplet
11-02-2004, 11:49 AM
Bah, I can do better than you JcDc. :p
Later on, would it be okay if I compared some old Welling pics to some more recent ones? Just wanted to show the transformation to Clark Kent, something I did with Reeve over in the Superman forums. :)
Cool. I'd love to see some good screen caps of Transference and other 4th season eps!
The Sage
11-02-2004, 11:51 AM
Cool. I'd love to see some good screen caps of Transference and other 4th season eps!
That's definitely workable. I downloaded a close to DVD quality version of Transference last week. Crusade will work. I think in Crusade, Welling's look was bit more convincing than usual. Though he still had those rosey cheeks. :D
Serene
11-02-2004, 11:56 AM
Cool. I'd love to see some good screen caps of Transference and other 4th season eps!
As usual, DTS has wonderful screen caps up for Transference.
DTS - Transference (http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/files/smallville/caps/406-1.htm)
My personal favorite: "Precisely"
http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/files/smallville/caps/Transference264.jpg
Strictly on facial features though, Routh could be made to look more rugged due to proportions of his face than Welling for example could.
Oh I dunno about that. Routh's got a heavier chin, yes, but he's also got rather thin features. Welling's got some real beefy jaw muscles, in the same vain as Pitt and Redford. Although I can understand why his nose and lips are perceived as a "weakness," as they may appear a tad feminine.
When it comes down to it, none of these guys have the classic Superman look. Reeve didn't necessarily either. To my mind, the "classic" look would either be a blue-eyed Dean Cain or a Bill Campbell (Rocketeer). And keep in mind I'm a red-blooded heterosexual male, but I think one of Welling's advantages is that his look gives him a rather angelic quality that'd work really well--something different for this day and age.
I'll admit that the latest Routh press photos are far better than the ones on his site, but to my mind, he still looks like a common fratboy or something. Very Keanu. They're going to have to do a hell of a makeover to convince me.
IMO, it's all in the eyes, and this is where Routh really misses the mark. I guess we'll see if the contacts work. Bottomline, there has to be something that looks different about Superman's face. I find something really alien about Welling and Caviezel. Not the type of folks you'd see walking down on the street everyday. Routh just looks average to me. My opinion of course.
Not only Schneider, but JC as well.
Just rub it in now :( :D.
Yeah, Jim's combination of "scruffiness" with those freaky blue eyes made him the ideal choice for Superman imo. Just like Jim Lee's rendition, which is my favorite. Oh well.
http://www.picturedot.com/FetchImageJPG.asp?ImageType=P&ImageFormat=H&ImageID=134070
http://www.picturedot.com/FetchImageJPG.asp?ImageType=P&ImageFormat=H&ImageID=134071
http://www.picturedot.com/FetchImageJPG.asp?ImageType=P&ImageFormat=H&ImageID=134072
triplet
11-02-2004, 12:12 PM
As usual, DTS has wonderful screen caps up for Transference.
DTS - Transference (http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/files/smallville/caps/406-1.htm)
My personal favorite: "Precisely"
http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/files/smallville/caps/Transference264.jpg
The problem I have with DTS screencaps is that they are usually very dark...
Is it just my monitor or does everyeone think they're dark?
AgentPat
11-02-2004, 12:14 PM
Welling has the ability to look menacing, "feminine features" or not.This scene comes to mind, as did the one opposite Rosenbaum in Lex's mansion.
http://img24.exs.cx/img24/1985/tomwelling_70.jpg
Smiles don't always have to be in a "good" way. ;)
triplet
11-02-2004, 12:19 PM
This scene comes to mind, as did the one opposite Rosenbaum in Lex's mansion.
http://img24.exs.cx/img24/1985/tomwelling_70.jpg
Smiles don't always have to be in a "good" way. ;)Actually, looking at this picture I'd be scared to have a nose like his... I'd be off to the plastic surgeon for a rhinoplasty.
Maybe JcDc can explain this j-shaped nose again... I'm not sure what he's talking about. My son's nose is like TW's, I just don't see it as feminine at all.
Also: In all the drawing and painting classes I've taken, they've never once talked about feminine vs. masculine features... The profs just wanted us to try and render the person as closely as we could.
But usually, we did nudes... not too many portraits, except for self-portraits.
The Incredible Hulk
11-02-2004, 12:26 PM
TW is on the cover of the latest issue of Dreamwatch. DTS excerpted a quote from his interview. Regarding fan mail:
"I do get a lot -- from guys and girls. We actually get more guys watching than we do girls, which the producers didn’t think was going to happen when we started the show. Our male audience is larger than they expected. I haven’t had anything too outrageous yet. I think the character that I play is warm and approachable and nice and kind. I think that maybe the fans that Clark attracts tend to be on the safe side, rather than, say, Lex Luthor. I think Michael Rosenbaum’s fan mail must be a little different (laughs)."
Pictures and more info here:
http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/smallville/
Gee a show about Superman attracting a large male audience? Who would;ve seen that one coming?? :confused: :p :)
Oh I dunno about that. Routh's got a heavier chin, yes, but he's also got rather thin features. Welling's got some real beefy jaw muscles, in the same vain as Pitt and Redford. Although I can understand why his nose and lips are perceived as a "weakness," as they may appear a tad feminine.
When it comes down to it, none of these guys have the classic Superman look. Reeve didn't necessarily either. To my mind, the "classic" look would either be a blue-eyed Dean Cain or a Bill Campbell (Rocketeer). And keep in mind I'm a red-blooded heterosexual male, but I think one of Welling's advantages is that his look gives him a rather angelic quality that'd work really well--something different for this day and age.
I'll admit that the latest Routh press photos are far better than the ones on his site, but to my mind, he still looks like a common fratboy or something. Very Keanu. They're going to have to do a hell of a makeover to convince me.
IMO, it's all in the eyes, and this is where Routh really misses the mark. I guess we'll see if the contacts work. Bottomline, there has to be something that looks different about Superman's face. I find something really alien about Welling and Caviezel. Not the type of folks you'd see walking down on the street everyday. Routh just looks average to me. My opinion of course.
I see where you are coming from, I guess the lines get blurred on what makes him Clark Kent as the average geeky farmboy and also the look of a man that has something different about him which translates to Superman. Caviezel for example, I could see where he'd have that rugged Superman face of determination. That's what I've never seen in Welling which may very well be be the difference of having a more masculine face than feminine one.
Maybe you can see how it has that inward curve better from this angle
http://www.chico.mweb.co.za/art/2002/2002aug/020802-teenage.jpg
The Sage
11-02-2004, 12:38 PM
Just rub it in now :( :D.
Yeah, Jim's combination of "scruffiness" with those freaky blue eyes made him the ideal choice for Superman imo. Just like Jim Lee's rendition, which is my favorite. Oh well.
http://www.picturedot.com/FetchImageJPG.asp?ImageType=P&ImageFormat=H&ImageID=134070
http://www.picturedot.com/FetchImageJPG.asp?ImageType=P&ImageFormat=H&ImageID=134071
http://www.picturedot.com/FetchImageJPG.asp?ImageType=P&ImageFormat=H&ImageID=134072
Pretty good pics. :up:
Those eyes of his are very captivating.
Pretty good pics. :up:
Yeah the last should look familiar. Scan some more! :D
Pretty good pics. :up:
Those eyes of his are very captivating.
I'll say :eek:
The Sage
11-02-2004, 12:43 PM
Yeah the last should look familiar. Scan some more! :D
Hehe. I've got to get some good quality ones. I've got a real good one for you, from Superman issue 210. :)
triplet
11-02-2004, 12:44 PM
Maybe you can see how it has that inward curve better from this angle
http://www.chico.mweb.co.za/art/2002/2002aug/020802-teenage.jpg
No, I still don't see it. Which part of the nose are you referring to?
The tip, bridge, or nostrils?
darkzombiemutt
11-02-2004, 12:48 PM
Well one thing I was told when I started in comics was when drawing a woman, the softer lines the better, and use less lines then a guy. Now If I were to draw welling, I gaurentee the drawing would look very angular, he has to sharp of features to pass as a woman, big brow, sharp jawline, just a very structured face in general. Nobody ever said "draw a J shaped nose for women" Thats just silly. If you want a guy to look gruff and tough, yeah, give him a roman hook nose of something, but giving him a J shaped nose doesnt mean squat. Ok, he has big lips, so does the Hulk and Apocolypes. Nobody has ever said they looked like chics ;)
From the tip to the dorsum you can see where the curve starts.
rumpuso
11-02-2004, 12:52 PM
Both men are undoubtedly handsome, but Superman to me must be someone you just can't stop staring at. For example, compare...
http://www.finitesite.com/rumpuso/coldcase107-027.jpg
http://www.finitesite.com/rumpuso/tw-02.jpg
Which man are your eyes drawn to the most? For me, there is no comparison. Tom Welling has that certain look that just makes you smack yourself to prove you are not dreaming. Brandon Routh has an average handsome look, but he doesn't make you stop in mid walk and say "DAYUMM!" As for comparing features, if you want to label Tom Welling as having feminine features, go for it. Whatever you want to label them as, there is no denying that he is simply amazing to behold. And that body!...
http://www.finitesite.com/rumpuso/transference.jpg
And one more added bonus, he has an uncanny ability to transcend his beauty into menacing. For example:
http://www.finitesite.com/rumpuso/Crusade_250.jpg
and
http://www.finitesite.com/rumpuso/Transference396.jpg
triplet
11-02-2004, 12:58 PM
From the tip to the dorsum you can see where the curve starts.
Oh, OK.... I see what you're talking about but I still don't see why that's feminine.
My art profs never talked about anything like that being typically feminine or masculine.
Although I never really did a lot of portraits, one of my profs did it professionally (he did pastel paintings and they reminded me of John Singer Sargent's work, he was excellent and did comissions for politicians and society folks) and he never even mentioned anything like that being masculine vs. feminine.
He was on a how different plane of existance, however. He would always play music during class and it would vary from Devo to Tchaikovsky to REM to Art of Noise. (I'm dating myself, I think...) He even made his own pastels.
If I had been an art major, I was a film major that made art - drawing/painting/art history/writing/theatre - an emphasis, I would have learned how to make my own paints and pastels. Which would have been cool, more control over the color when you make them yourself I'm thinking.
Anyway, I digress big time.
To restate: I don't see how that is feminine.
Brandon Routh has an average handsome look, but he doesn't make you stop in mid walk and say "DAYUMM!"----
Which is not what you would want for Superman. For a model, yes. Btw Routh I'm sure can make an angry face like anyone else but we don't have screen caps from countless episodes to post :o
We have like 45235 pictures of Welling to choose from and a handful of Routh pics.
The Sage
11-02-2004, 12:59 PM
Both men are undoubtedly handsome, but Superman to me must be someone you just can't stop staring at. For example, compare...
http://www.finitesite.com/rumpuso/coldcase107-027.jpg
http://www.finitesite.com/rumpuso/tw-02.jpg
Which man are your eyes drawn to the most? For me, there is no comparison. Tom Welling has that certain look that just makes you smack yourself to prove you are not dreaming. Brandon Routh has an average handsome look, but he doesn't make you stop in mid walk and say "DAYUMM!" As for comparing features, if you want to label Tom Welling as having feminine features, go for it. Whatever you want to label them as, there is no denying that he is simply amazing to behold. And that body!...
http://www.finitesite.com/rumpuso/transference.jpg
And one more added bonus, he has an uncanny ability to transcend his beauty into menacing. For example:
http://www.finitesite.com/rumpuso/Crusade_250.jpg
and
http://www.finitesite.com/rumpuso/Transference396.jpg
Thing is, that's an old picture of Routh, and those are all recent pics of Welling. Like Reeve, Routh's look isn't exactly screaming Superman. Heck, even some of Welling's photos before SV wasn't screaming that either(you know what I'm saying? ;)
Let's compare Routh to Welling in a few months in terms of looks. Right now, Welling is made to look like the character he is portraying. Routh is currently in the process of being made.
Hmm..."made". I make it sound like an Italian mafia or something. :D
I actually see more of a Superman look in this pic http://www.finitesite.com/rumpuso/coldcase107-027.jpg Than any of the Welling pics he posted :o
The Sage
11-02-2004, 01:01 PM
Brandon Routh has an average handsome look, but he doesn't make you stop in mid walk and say "DAYUMM!"----
Which is not what you would want for Superman. For a model, yes. Btw Routh I'm sure can make an angry face like anyone else but we don't have screen caps from countless episodes to post :o
We have like 45235 pictures of Welling to choose from and a handful of Routh pics.
The consequences of an unknown, not that many pics to choose from. Must be what Reeve went through back in the 70's.
Look at him! He's skinny! He doesn't have teh body of Supaman!!! No no, get Burt Reynolds, he has teh body!!!(Not an invitation to get the pic JcDc :D)
Of course, after Reeve transformed, I'm sure everyone was like "Oh s***, DAAAMMMNNNN!"
I actually see more of a Superman look in this pic http://www.finitesite.com/rumpuso/coldcase107-027.jpg Than any of the Welling pics he posted :o
Looks Greek to me :).
Btw with a more average look, it heightens the ability to portray the seperate identities.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/puck420/ROUTHCLARK.jpg
On SNL for example they spoke alot about what made Dan Akroyd and Will Ferrel great at playing different characters and looking like them, part of it was having a bit of an average edge that made the changes stand out so they could portray each character differently than someone with a real specific look.
jas01724
11-02-2004, 01:06 PM
I drew Tom once, and none of the lines were harsh... but then it was more of a sketch than a real drawing...
Serene
11-02-2004, 01:06 PM
Brandon Routh has an average handsome look, but he doesn't make you stop in mid walk and say "DAYUMM!"----
Which is not what you would want for Superman.
Phht. Sez you. I want Superman to take my breath away.. not unlike the reaction I had when I first saw Chris Reeve up on the big screen.
We have like 45235 pictures of Welling to choose from and a handful of Routh pics.
No comment.
The Sage
11-02-2004, 01:08 PM
Btw with a more average look, it heightens the ability to portray the seperate identities.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/puck420/ROUTHCLARK.jpg
On SNL for example they spoke alot about what made Dan Akroyd and Will Ferrel great at playing different characters and looking like them, part of it was having a bit of an average edge that made the changes stand out so they could portray each character differently than someone with a real specific look.
I don't like it. Go back and redo it. :(
The Sage
11-02-2004, 01:09 PM
Looks Greek to me :).
You can tell from the black and white photo? :confused:
The Sage
11-02-2004, 01:09 PM
No comment.
LOL
Serene
11-02-2004, 01:10 PM
The consequences of an unknown, not that many pics to choose from. Must be what Reeve went through back in the 70's.
I keep seeing you say this, Sage, but honestly, I don't remember hearing any flack about Reeve being cast way back when. Maybe I just didn't hear about it, as you've pointed out, no internet back then (only stone tablets) but even at that age I was always pretty tuned in to popular entertainment, particularly movies.
Is there something you've read that indicated a backlash against Reeve's casting in the 70's?
The Sage
11-02-2004, 01:12 PM
I keep seeing you say this, Sage, but honestly, I don't remember hearing any flack about Reeve being cast way back when. Maybe I just didn't hear about it, as you've pointed out, no internet back then (only stone tablets) but even at that age I was always pretty tuned in to popular entertainment, particularly movies.
Is there something you've read that indicated a backlash against Reeve's casting in the 70's?
Nothing I read, but from someone I talked to who was around when Reeve was cast. The mod C. Lee. He says there was a lot of backlash and doubt when the first pictures of Reeve in the newspaper came out. They were some horrible pictures too. :(
jas01724
11-02-2004, 01:12 PM
Goofy Clark Kent!
http://www.boomspeed.com/jamesascott/clark.jpg
*cough*
AgentPat
11-02-2004, 01:13 PM
This thread is hysterical. I was wondering how long it would be before other Superman candidates were brought up for comparisons. Again! The official announcement of Routh was made weeks ago, yet the casting wars continue. Heh!
I SERIOUSLY hope Warners is paying attention.
Carry on folks; it's entertaining. :D
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/ross.jpg
One of the best drawings of Superman I know outside the comics.
Along with Reeve, Welling is and will always be Superman to me.
The Sage
11-02-2004, 01:15 PM
Hey, I wasn't the one who introduced Routh or JC to the threads. :D
The Sage
11-02-2004, 01:16 PM
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/ross.jpg
One of the best drawings of Superman I know outside the comics.
Along with Reeve, Welling is and will always be Superman to me.
I don't know why, but that picture really isn't convincing to me. It actually unconvinces me that Welling could be Superman. It looks...not right. :confused:
triplet
11-02-2004, 01:18 PM
I actually see more of a Superman look in this pic http://www.finitesite.com/rumpuso/coldcase107-027.jpg
Than any of the Welling pics he posted :o
I totally disagree, but I think it's pointless to agrue further. You're not going to convince me and probably a lot of people on this thread.
In a way I can kinda see what you mean in regards to Routh, but for me you lose any footing you may have gained when you claim he's more suitable for the part than Welling looks wise.
It's not just 'cause I'm a TW fan, I am and I will grant that has probably biased me to some extent, but because he's just so average compared to Welling. You said so yourself, I believe, a few posts back.
Yeah, I guess he's handsome enough but he doesn't have that little extra something about him that Superman should have. A magnetism, a presence, that I feel TW has in spades.
Granted again: it could be there, since I've only seen a very few photos of Routh, but right now I don't see it.
But this is the whole reason why I'm now very lukewarm on the project: I'm not crazy about Routh for Superman. He just isn't close enough in look for me to what Superman should look like.
He looks more like Dean Cain than Chris Reeve anyway, IMO. His coloring is more like Reeve's but he lacks Reeve's sharply defined features. His nose is more rounded and his cheekbones don't have the same definition.
He's got a great chin and jawline for Supes, and that's probably the most Superman like quality he has. The cleft chin and the squareness of his jaw work well for that, but for me everything comes back to his eyes: They're just too dark.
I know that they'll use contacts or paint them blue using CG, or use some combination of both, but I just don't know how realistic that will look.
With Welling and JC, at least, even if their eyes aren't the sky blue you'd like to see with Supes, their eyes are a lot lighter and would have taken a lot less work to adjust the color to suit.
In a practical matter, having Routh wear heavy blue contacts for long periods filming an action movie will be difficult.
The color will have to be more opaque to cover up the brown in his eyes, TW and JC would have had a more transparent color in their contacts (had they even been necessary), and it would probably obscure part of his vision. That will be very hard on him and, I'm no expert on this, but I would think it might even compromise his safety.
Goofy Clark Kent!
http://www.boomspeed.com/jamesascott/clark.jpg
*cough*
Still looks like an A&F model. His look is not average enough for a distinction in the identities. With Routh he should be able to look dynamic as Supes http://tinypic.com/dw3kx
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/routhsupes3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/wildezc/routhmanip10.jpg
And back to more average as Clark :o
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/puck420/ROUTHCLARK.jpg
jas01724
11-02-2004, 01:23 PM
Still looks like an A&F model. His look is not average enough for a distinction in the identities.
I forgive you for missing that I was making a joke - it wasn't supposed to be a good Clark Kent manip. I actually made that manip over a year ago because a friend and I simply wanted to see Tom in glasses. I reiterate: TOM in glasses, not Tom as Clark. My friend did sexy Tom, I did goofy Tom...
The Sage
11-02-2004, 01:23 PM
I totally disagree, but I think it's pointless to agrue further. You're not going to convince me and probably a lot of people on this thread.
In a way I can kinda see what you mean in regards to Routh, but for me you lose any footing you may have gained when you claim he's more suitable for the part than Welling looks wise.
It's not just 'cause I'm a TW fan, I am and I will grant that has probably biased me to some extent, but because he's just so average compared to Welling. You said so yourself, I believe, a few posts back.
Yeah, I guess he's handsome enough but he doesn't have that little extra something about him that Superman should have. A magnetism, a presence, that I feel TW has in spades.
Granted again: it could be there, since I've only seen a very few photos of Routh, but right now I don't see it.
But this is the whole reason why I'm now very lukewarm on the project: I'm not crazy about Routh for Superman. He just isn't close enough in look for me to what Superman should look like.
He looks more like Dean Cain than Chris Reeve anyway, IMO. His coloring is more like Reeve's but he lacks Reeve's sharply defined features. His nose is more rounded and his cheekbones don't have the same definition.
He's got a great chin and jawline for Supes, and that's probably the most Superman like quality he has. The cleft chin and the squareness of his jaw work well for that, but for me everything comes back to his eyes: They're just too dark.
I know that they'll use contacts or paint them blue using CG, or use some combination of both, but I just don't know how realistic that will look.
With Welling and JC, at least, even if their eyes aren't the sky blue you'd like to see with Supes, their eyes are a lot lighter and would have taken a lot less work to adjust the color to suit.
In a practical matter, having Routh wear heavy blue contacts for long periods filming an action movie will be difficult.
The color will have to be more opaque to cover up the brown in his eyes, TW and JC would have had a more transparent color in their contacts (had they even been necessary), and it would probably obscure part of his vision. That will be very hard on him and, I'm no expert on this, but I would think it might even compromise his safety.
You're right...you're no expert. :p
Just kidding. :D
We'll see, they could use CGI. Have you seen Titanic? The way the blue eyes of the girl and old woman who played Rose matched? That was CGI I believe.
triplet
11-02-2004, 01:28 PM
You're right...you're no expert. :p
Just kidding. :D
We'll see, they could use CGI. Have you seen Titanic? The way the blue eyes of the girl and old woman who played Rose matched? That was CGI I believe.Really? I guess we'll see but CGI might not be any better than contacts.
Daniel Radcliffe has brilliant blue eyes and TPTB originally tried contacts to turn his eyes Harry Potter green, but he couldn't tolerate contacts for some reason. Then they tried to CG his eyes green and it didn't look realistic so they gave up.
That's how we got a blue-eyed Harry Potter.
Will those same kinds of problems give us a brown eyed Superman? I hope not.
The Sage
11-02-2004, 01:30 PM
Really? I guess we'll see but CGI might not be any better than contacts.
Daniel Radcliffe has brilliant blue eyes and TPTB originally tried contacts to turn his eyes Harry Potter green, but he couldn't tolerate contacts for some reason. Then they tried to CG his eyes green and it didn't look realistic so they gave up.
That's how we got a blue-eyed Harry Potter.
Will those same kinds of problems give us a brown eyed Superman? I hope not.
Let's hope not. We've already had one brown eyed Supes, I think. What color were George Reeves's eyes?
jas01724
11-02-2004, 01:30 PM
Have you seen Titanic? The way the blue eyes of the girl and old woman who played Rose matched? That was CGI I believe.
Nope, they deliberately cast Gloria Stewart because her eyes were so close to Kate's.
The Sage
11-02-2004, 01:32 PM
Nope, they deliberately cast Gloria Stewart because her eyes were so close to Kate's.
Really? I heard something different. Oh well, there goes that theory. LOL
What about Mystique's eyes in X-Men?
Let's hope not. We've already had one brown eyed Supes, I think. What color were George Reeves's eyes?
most of the time black and white, of course when the show went to color you noticed his stomach being bigger more than his eye color ;)
Serene
11-02-2004, 01:33 PM
Goofy Clark Kent!
http://www.boomspeed.com/jamesascott/clark.jpg
*cough*
His "goofy" is still pretty hot. ;)
The belt got higher and higher :p
http://home.att.net/~cp-carolyn/lois_lane_superman_199x173.jpg
Hey, I wasn't the one who introduced Routh or JC to the threads. :D
Oh really?
Not only Schneider, but JC as well.
Naturally I took it from there :D.
http://www.picturedot.com/FetchImageJPG.asp?ImageType=P&ImageFormat=H&ImageID=134077
http://www.picturedot.com/FetchImageJPG.asp?ImageType=P&ImageFormat=H&ImageID=134076
jas01724
11-02-2004, 01:34 PM
Really? I heard something different. Oh well, there goes that theory. LOL
I'm sure they did a little post-prod touching up, but they matched the eyes as best they could when they were casting. Very distinctive eyes.
What about Mystique's eyes in X-Men?
No idea, I was never *cough*obsessed*cough* with X-Men.
The Sage
11-02-2004, 01:35 PM
Oh really?
Naturally I took it from there :D.
http://www.picturedot.com/FetchImageJPG.asp?ImageType=P&ImageFormat=H&ImageID=134077
http://www.picturedot.com/FetchImageJPG.asp?ImageType=P&ImageFormat=H&ImageID=134076
Hey I said JC, that could mean a lot of things. :D
The Sage
11-02-2004, 01:36 PM
I'm sure they did a little post-prod touching up, but they matched the eyes as best they could when they were casting. Very distinctive eyes.
Ahh, ok.
No idea, I was never *cough*obsessed*cough* with X-Men.
Crap, I wish I had the X-Men DVD. Oh well.
jas01724
11-02-2004, 01:36 PM
Hey I said JC, that could mean a lot of things. :D
Yup, I thought you were talking about the late and revered John Candy...
What happened to his suit here :eek: ?????
http://www.phonelosers.org/cwp/cwp_georgereeves.jpg
LOL
Sorry I'll stop with Reeves pics ;)
The Sage
11-02-2004, 01:38 PM
Yup, I thought you were talking about the late and revered John Candy...
Or maybe even Jimmy Carson himself...
jas01724
11-02-2004, 01:38 PM
What happened to his suit here :eek: ?????
http://www.phonelosers.org/cwp/cwp_georgereeves.jpg
Aww, he's wearing his jammies. ;)
triplet
11-02-2004, 01:38 PM
What about Mystique's eyes in X-Men?
Her eyes weren't always white and when they were she was standing somewhat still and fully facing the camera.
An active Superman will be a lot harder to work on... he'll have a lot more screen time and will moving a lot more.
I still think CG blue in his eyes will be problematic, but who knows what they'll be able to do? Maybe the effects house has killer turn-my-brown-eyes-blue algorhythms in their software...
This is goofy, contacts will be just fine :rolleyes: Sheesh.
The Sage
11-02-2004, 01:42 PM
Her eyes weren't always white and when they were she was standing somewhat still and fully facing the camera.
An active Superman will be a lot harder to work on... he'll have a lot more screen time and will moving a lot more.
I still think CG blue in his eyes will be problematic, but who knows what they'll be able to do? Maybe the effects house has killer turn-my-brown-eyes-blue algorhythms in their software...
Or maybe they'll do a combination of both lenses and CGI.
triplet
11-02-2004, 01:42 PM
What happened to his suit here http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif ?????
http://www.phonelosers.org/cwp/cwp_georgereeves.jpg
LOL
Sorry I'll stop with Reeves pics http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif
Ack! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif
Are those shoulder pads he's wearing under the suit?
He's even wearing what appear to be pec and biceps pads... http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif
Thank God our modern supermen are expected to be buff all on their own! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/superman1.gif
AgentPat
11-02-2004, 01:43 PM
I don't know why, but that picture really isn't convincing to me. It actually unconvinces me that Welling could be Superman. It looks...not right.Oh, I didn't post it to convince anybody. Regulars here should know better. You either believe, or you don't. Very few people are going to change their minds at this point. Think of that drawing as... oh, I dunno... a reminder. :D
Welling IS Superman right now in the eyes of many, MANY people. ;)
The Sage
11-02-2004, 01:44 PM
Ack! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif
Are those shoulder pads he's wearing under the suit?
He's even wearing what appear to be pec and biceps pads... http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif
Thank God our modern supermen are expected to be buff all on their own! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/superman1.gif
LOL, your reaction is priceless.
The Sage
11-02-2004, 01:45 PM
Oh, I didn't post it to convince anybody. Regulars here should know better. You either believe, or you don't. Very few people are going to change their minds at this point. Think of that drawing as... oh, I dunno... a reminder. :D
Welling IS Superman right now in the eyes of many, MANY people. ;)
I know you weren't trying to convince anyone, just stating my opinion. It's nice art, but it doesn't really...bah, nevermind. LOL
jas01724
11-02-2004, 01:48 PM
I never liked Ross' drawings of Tom much either, but then... I don't have to.
AgentPat
11-02-2004, 01:49 PM
It's nice art, but it doesn't really...bah, nevermind.Congratulations! You're learning. :D
The Sage
11-02-2004, 01:56 PM
Congratulations! You're learning. :D
LOL, actually I was stuck on what to say.
JackMercy
11-02-2004, 02:05 PM
Oh, I didn't post it to convince anybody. Regulars here should know better. You either believe, or you don't. Very few people are going to change their minds at this point. Think of that drawing as... oh, I dunno... a reminder. :D
Welling IS Superman right now in the eyes of many, MANY people. ;)
I personally dig the Alex Ross Welling mock-ups.
I have one in my... working place.
And they were done for a reason, you know...
;)
Ah well, off to vote!
AgentPat
11-02-2004, 02:07 PM
LOL, actually I was stuck on what to say.I understand. I feel the same way every time Jc goes off on one of his Welling lip tangents. It's not worth arguing anymore, y'know? I have a salacious preoccupation with Welling's lips myself, but I'd bet dollars to donuts my thoughts are a little more lascivious than Jc's. Okay, a LOT more. ;)
The Sage
11-02-2004, 02:11 PM
I understand. I feel the same way every time Jc goes off on one of his Welling lip tangents. It's not worth arguing anymore, y'know? I have a salacious preoccupation with Welling's lips myself, but I'd bet dollars to donuts my thoughts are a little more lascivious than Jc's. Okay, a LOT more. ;)
No comment. :D
jas01724
11-02-2004, 02:12 PM
And they were done for a reason, you know...
Yeah, commissioned by Wizard Magazine... apparently. :rolleyes:
triplet
11-02-2004, 02:12 PM
LOL, your reaction is priceless.
LOL! One thing that pic may not have shown, since it's a mid-shot, is the truss he's probably wearing! :eek:
Don't get me wrong, I used to love watching old re-runs of that show when I was a kid. It was a lot of fun, but poor George is so far away from what a modern audience expects for a super hero it isn't even funny.
Give me this any day of the week, and twice on Sundays:
http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/files/smallville/caps/Transference207.jpg
jas01724
11-02-2004, 02:13 PM
I have a salacious preoccupation with Welling's lips myself, but I'd bet dollars to donuts my thoughts are a little more lascivious than Jc's. Okay, a LOT more. ;)
The things lips like those could do... oh sorry, we were talking about Alex Ross and his drawings.
*ahem*
AgentPat
11-02-2004, 02:13 PM
And they were done for a reason, you know...Yeah. We know. A few of us were told about that *after* it was too late to really make a difference. I just wish Warners had been more open about what they were looking for, instead of just throwing out a few hints and watching for... uh, bubbles from the fishbowls. ;)
AgentPat
11-02-2004, 02:19 PM
The things lips like those could do...I have now officially lost the last smidgeon of concentration I had for doing work for the rest of the day. Thanks a lot, James! :mad: :mad: !!!
;)
triplet
11-02-2004, 02:19 PM
Yeah. We know. A few of us were told about that *after* it was too late to really make a difference. I just wish Warners had been more open about what they were looking for, instead of just throwing out a few hints and watching for... uh, bubbles from the fishbowls. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gifhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif
Huh?
Why were they commissioned? This is something that must have happened before I showed up here (been here about two months).
jas01724
11-02-2004, 02:20 PM
I have now officially lost the last smidgeon of concentration I had for doing work for the rest of the day. Thanks a lot, James! :mad: :mad: !!!
What a poor and unfortunate soul you are. ;)
triplet
11-02-2004, 02:22 PM
I have now officially lost the last smidgeon of concentration I had for doing work for the rest of the day. Thanks a lot, James! :mad: :mad: !!!
;)
I think I lost any smidgen of concentration I had two days ago when I saw those pix from Spell... ;)
jas01724
11-02-2004, 02:22 PM
Why were they commissioned?
Official story: Wizard Magazine, but never used.
Unofficial story: Warner Bros. testing the waters.
I heard the unofficial story only a couple of weeks after their release...
triplet
11-02-2004, 02:24 PM
Official story: Wizard Magazine, but never used.
Unofficial story: Warner Bros. testing the waters.
I heard the unofficial story only a couple of weeks after their release...
Interesting but that's an awful lot of trouble to go to, isn't it, just to test the waters?
The Sage
11-02-2004, 02:25 PM
Official story: Wizard Magazine, but never used.
Unofficial story: Warner Bros. testing the waters.
I heard the unofficial story only a couple of weeks after their release...
That's interesting.
Not really surprising. I remember a very well painted teaser poster of Spider-Man with Leonardo DiCaprio as Parker and Nikki Cox as MJ in one of my Wizard issues. Even had James Cameron as director. :o
AgentPat
11-02-2004, 02:36 PM
That's interesting.
Not really surprising. I remember a very well painted teaser poster of Spider-Man with Leonardo DiCaprio as Parker and Nikki Cox as MJ in one of my Wizard issues. Even had James Cameron as director. :oYour point is? ;)
Technically, the "official" story was that Ross wanted to see what Welling would look like in the costume. I have a bridge and some swamp land to sell you if you like that explanation better.
Believe the unofficial story, Sage. Even Rob was told about it on the QT, and he was quite miffed, as I recall because of his Fraser site. I remember his exact words: "I feel as though I've just been played." Poor guy.
jas01724
11-02-2004, 02:39 PM
Technically, the "official" story was that Ross wanted to see what Welling would look like in the costume.
When Ross posted them to his site the official story was that they were commissioned by Wizard. The only other place to give any sort of story at all was this here SHH! The Wizard story is at least plausible...
The Sage
11-02-2004, 02:45 PM
Your point is? ;)
Technically, the "official" story was that Ross wanted to see what Welling would look like in the costume. I have a bridge and some swamp land to sell you if you like that explanation better.
Believe the unofficial story, Sage. Even Rob was told about it on the QT, and he was quite miffed, as I recall because of his Fraser site. I remember his exact words: "I feel as though I've just been played." Poor guy.
Just pointing out past examples of Wizard doing something in the similar vein, that's all.
When Ross posted them to his site the official story was that they were commissioned by Wizard. The only other place to give any sort of story at all was this here SHH! The Wizard story is at least plausible...
Hmm....
AgentPat
11-02-2004, 02:45 PM
When Ross posted them to his site the official story was that they were commissioned by Wizard. The only other place to give any sort of story at all was this here SHH! The Wizard story is at least plausible...Then Merc(sp?) changed the story? I still have the link... somewhere. It's still up there linked off their main Supes' page, last time I looked.
jas01724
11-02-2004, 02:47 PM
Then Merc(sp?) changed the story? I still have the link... somewhere. It's still up there linked off their main Supes' page, last time I looked.
I dunno what story SHH! was told and whether they changed anything, but here's Ross' version of it:
http://www.alexrossart.com/rossreport/april2004/report.html
Serene
11-02-2004, 02:47 PM
The things lips like those could do... oh sorry, we were talking about Alex Ross and his drawings.
*ahem*
Oh.. he knows exactly what to do with those lips, based on the extreme close-up kissing scenes we've been treated to..
Not that I was STARING INTENTLY :eek::eek::eek: or anything. ;)
Uh, yeah.. the Alex Ross drawing.. absolutely breathtaking. I'd love to have a poster of it. I wonder if any are available?
AgentPat
11-02-2004, 02:48 PM
I dunno what story SHH! was told and whether they changed anything, but here's Ross' version of it:
http://www.alexrossart.com/rossreport/april2004/report.htmlAnd here's what was posted at SHH!:
http://www.superherohype.com/news/supermannews.php?id=1205
LMAO!!! Neither "story" is true. Too damn funny. ;)
jas01724
11-02-2004, 02:49 PM
Oh.. he knows exactly what to do with those lips, based on the extreme close-up kissing scenes we've been treated to..
Kissing? How boring... :p
Serene
11-02-2004, 02:51 PM
Kissing? How boring... :p
You know, Jason.. you're bad.
Fortunately, I like that in a guy. ;)
jas01724
11-02-2004, 02:51 PM
LMAO!!! Neither "story" is true. Too damn funny. ;)
Ah, but does anyone *really* know that? Even the best inside information is always a teensy bit questionable. It's possible - however unlikely - that it was commissioned for Wizard, and other versions of the story are wrong. After all, Wizard does have that sort of mock-up all the time...
/me just being devil's advocate again
jas01724
11-02-2004, 02:52 PM
You know, Jason.. you're bad.
Fortunately, I like that in a guy. ;)
Psst, it's James. ;) Jas is my intials.
Serene
11-02-2004, 02:54 PM
lol.. sorry.. I actually think I knew that.. but I guess I was flustered or something. ;)
jas01724
11-02-2004, 02:56 PM
Flustered? I hope it wasn't anything *I* said...
*cough*
;)
AgentPat
11-02-2004, 03:05 PM
/me just being devil's advocate againYou do it well. ;)
Serene, you and I are on the same wavelength. Though James does have a good point. I'd elaborate further, but it isn't necessary. Besides, it's bad enough my concentration is shot for the rest of the day; I don't want to be flush too. LOL!!!
darkzombiemutt
11-02-2004, 03:09 PM
Gawd, this thread has gone to hell in the last couple of hours. Time to change the name of it to "The Official Tom Welling Orgy Thread"
jas01724
11-02-2004, 03:10 PM
I think it's hugely unfair that WB has a new interview with Tom, in which he talks about his action figure, and he doesn't mention playing with himself even once... wait, that could be misconstrued. Um. Ah hell.
jas01724
11-02-2004, 03:10 PM
Gawd, this thread has gone to hell in the last couple of hours. Time to change the name of it to "The Official Tom Welling Orgy Thread"
Well at least we've managed to get back on topic. ;) Orgy or not, we're finally talking about Tom Welling.
darkzombiemutt
11-02-2004, 03:12 PM
Tru Dat
triplet
11-02-2004, 03:12 PM
Well at least we've managed to get back on topic. ;) Orgy or not, we're finally talking about Tom Welling.
Yes, those supremely kissable lips... Mmmm...
Maybe I'll need to stop visiting here today myself, before someone asks why I have the big dumb grin on my face...
he he he he he :p ;)
Serene
11-02-2004, 03:13 PM
I think it's hugely unfair that WB has a new interview with Tom, in which he talks about his action figure, and he doesn't mention playing with himself even once... wait, that could be misconstrued. Um. Ah hell.
There's a Tom, er.. Clark doll? So, uh.. how big is this doll?
The mind boggles.
LOl you guys are Killing me. Between the lip and orgy comments and the Spell pictures. My brain is going to explode.
AgentPat
11-02-2004, 03:20 PM
Well at least we've managed to get back on topic. ;) Orgy or not, we're finally talking about Tom Welling.I'll do anything to chase away the riffraff. LOL
jas01724
11-02-2004, 03:22 PM
I'll do anything to chase away the riffraff. LOL
I just slap 'em silly.
AgentPat
11-02-2004, 03:27 PM
LOl you guys are Killing me. Between the lip and orgy comments and the Spell pictures. My brain is going to explode.Mine already did.
Thanks James. :mad: ;)
It IS funny to finally admit what I had been thinking all along. Sith started with the lip thing way back in April. He finally clammed up when I saw a photo of him with similar lips as Welling. I told him he was sexy. That shut him up. LOL
Now, I've yet to see a photo of Jc. http://www.patcostello.com/temp/ponder.gif
jas01724
11-02-2004, 03:35 PM
Thanks James. :mad: ;)
My pleasure.
I see my knack for causing head explosions has not failed me. :cool:
triplet
11-02-2004, 03:36 PM
Mine already did.
Thanks James. :mad: ;)
It IS funny to finally admit what I had been thinking all along. Sith started with the lip thing way back in April. He finally clammed up when I saw a photo of him with similar lips as Welling. I told him he was sexy. That shut him up. LOL
Now, I've yet to see a photo of Jc. http://www.patcostello.com/temp/ponder.gif
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/ponder.gif Indeed.
AgentPat
11-02-2004, 03:41 PM
Speaking of photos, I'm still waiting to see one of our other ab man, Pdiddy. :mad:
Last word was, he ran out of razors.
Waiting. Just waiting...
LOL :p
darkzombiemutt
11-02-2004, 03:45 PM
yeah, I havent seen Pdiddy around in a while
AgentPat
11-02-2004, 03:47 PM
yeah, I havent seen Pdiddy around in a whileI know! I miss him. http://www.patcostello.com/temp/cry.gif
Gmanofsteel
11-02-2004, 04:09 PM
where's p been? :(
The Sage
11-02-2004, 04:45 PM
He's been lurking around. I see him every now and then.
The Sage
11-02-2004, 04:46 PM
Okay, here are some pics I screencapped for all of you. Hope you like them. :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/welling5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/welling3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/welling6.jpg
I think the last one is Welling's closest look to Superman.
If you're nice, I might post some more. :D
Gmanofsteel
11-02-2004, 05:08 PM
those are horrible!!!! ;)
great shots sage, very cool :up:
The Navigator
11-02-2004, 07:00 PM
Nice, indeed.....he certainly has the "look" down. :D:up:
triplet
11-02-2004, 07:30 PM
Okay, here are some pics I screencapped for all of you. Hope you like them. :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/welling3.jpg
I think the last one is Welling's closest look to Superman.
If you're nice, I might post some more. :D
I like the one from Transference best... thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you :D
Is that nice enough for you? ;)
The Sage
11-02-2004, 07:39 PM
You're a honey, triplet. :D
The Sage
11-02-2004, 07:42 PM
This one's just for you. ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/welling1.jpg
triplet
11-02-2004, 07:55 PM
You're a honey, triplet. :D
And you're a peach!
http://images.art.com/images/products/large/10016000/10016091.jpg
The Sage
11-02-2004, 07:58 PM
Why thank you.
triplet
11-02-2004, 07:59 PM
This one's just for you. ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/welling1.jpg
Thanks sweetie!
http://images.art.com/images/products/large/10114000/10114520.jpg
triplet
11-02-2004, 08:01 PM
Why thank you.
That other one from the Torch scene is very nice... It's one of my favorite scenes from that ep. He was so deliciously evil in that scene. The way he toyed with Chloe was downright mean.
The MB! he he he he he
The Sage
11-02-2004, 08:05 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/welling2.jpg
triplet
11-02-2004, 08:18 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/welling2.jpgThanks, sage.... you're the best.
http://deephousepage.com/smilies/praise2.gif
The Navigator
11-02-2004, 08:18 PM
This one's just for you. ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/welling1.jpg
Clark: Hey, Lana, I'm--Oh, my God.
Lana: Clark, it's not what it looks like! Lionel and I are just friends!
Clark: Tell it to the cape, because I'm leaving, you little (bleep).
The Sage
11-02-2004, 08:28 PM
I think that's enough for the night. :)
triplet
11-02-2004, 08:29 PM
This one's just for you. ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/welling1.jpg
Clark: Hey, Lana, I'm--Oh, my God.
Lana: Clark, it's not what it looks like! Lionel and I are just friends!
Clark: Tell it to the cape, because I'm leaving, you little (bleep).
Uhm... do you know that's not Lana?
The Navigator
11-02-2004, 08:33 PM
What? It was more a joke off Welling's expression.
AgentPat
11-02-2004, 08:37 PM
If I were to draw Welling, I guarantee the drawing would look very angular, he has too sharp of features to pass as a woman, big brow, sharp jawline, just a very structured face in general...
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/mad.jpg
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/bounce.gif
triplet
11-02-2004, 08:38 PM
What? It was more a joke off Welling's expression.
Oh, OK. Gotcha.
I was wondering... with the blonde in the foreground.
Sorry.
The Navigator
11-02-2004, 08:41 PM
No sweat. :):up:
Serene
11-02-2004, 09:28 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/welling1.jpg
Damn, even his neck is sexy. :eek:
Thanks for the caps, Sage.
Serene
11-02-2004, 09:29 PM
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/mad.jpg
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/bounce.gif
HYSTERICAL! I've never seen that before, thanks Pat. :)
triplet
11-02-2004, 11:35 PM
Damn, even his neck is sexy. :eek:
He's just sexy, end of story. He's also a damn fine actor and a loving husband and a heckuva nice guy... Why don't people like this guy?
:confused:
The Sage
11-02-2004, 11:46 PM
He's just sexy, end of story. He's also a damn fine actor and a loving husband and a heckuva nice guy... Why don't people like this guy?
:confused:
I like him, he's a cool guy. I just don't want him for...well, you know...;)
triplet
11-03-2004, 12:01 AM
I like him, he's a cool guy. I just don't want him for...well, you know...;)
Yeah, I know.
I don't hold that against you, however. ;)
The Sage
11-03-2004, 12:18 AM
Here's an extra: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/welling7.jpg
I have another, but I think I'll save that one...
triplet
11-03-2004, 02:09 AM
Here's an extra: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/welling7.jpg
I have another, but I think I'll save that one...
Thanks... I made the mistake of going over to the Superman thread just now and ranted my head off.
http://deephousepage.com/smilies/tantrum.gif
It's still not safe in those waters. Be wary, one and all.
jas01724
11-03-2004, 02:42 AM
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/mad.jpg
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/bounce.gif
It's ironic that I always felt this picture of Tom was better than the one Alex Ross did for TV Guide...
But Tom can be drawn with soft lines too, it just depends on the drawing style...
*ponders whether to post my drawing*
uGa2000
11-03-2004, 03:41 AM
Why are we debating Routh versus Welling in the Smallville thread? Take it to the Superman thread, the appropriate thread.
Besides, Welling wins hands down, and it isn't even close. :doom:
The Sage
11-03-2004, 06:06 AM
Why are we debating Routh versus Welling in the Smallville thread? Take it to the Superman thread, the appropriate thread.
Besides, Welling wins hands down, and it isn't even close. :doom:
For now anyway....
The Sage
11-03-2004, 06:14 AM
Thanks... I made the mistake of going over to the Superman thread just now and ranted my head off.
http://deephousepage.com/smilies/tantrum.gif
It's still not safe in those waters. Be wary, one and all.
Didn't look like much of a rant. You made a good argument, you received pretty good responses, no one snapped at you.
The Sage
11-03-2004, 07:05 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/welling8.jpg
Thanks... I made the mistake of going over to the Superman thread just now and ranted my head off.
http://deephousepage.com/smilies/tantrum.gif
It's still not safe in those waters. Be wary, one and all.
Oh get a thicker skin nobody is after you.
AgentPat
11-03-2004, 08:36 AM
HYSTERICAL! I've never seen that before, thanks Pat. :)No prob. That drawing was on the cover of Mad Magazine about two years ago. I thought about it yesterday when folks were talking about how to draw Welling. His face is quite angular with very sharp features - and as with the rest of him, looks like it was carved. ...From granite. ;)
Thanks... I made the mistake of going over to the Superman thread just now and ranted my head off.I hesitate to ask... which thread?
It's ironic that I always felt this picture of Tom was better than the one Alex Ross did for TV Guide...I like both, but they're very different styles and drawn to elicit different emotions. The Mad Magazine piece is very caricature-ish and humorous. Nevertheless, the artist nailed Welling's cheeks and protruding jaw. It's overemphasized to the max, but still conveys Welling's facial lines to a tee. I think Ross tried to capture a more accurate depiction of Welling's features, but his style is such that it's not... oh, I dunno, not quite right. Both drawings are CLEARLY Welling though - or more specifically, SV's CK.
But Tom can be drawn with soft lines too, it just depends on the drawing style...Great minds...
Why are we debating Routh versus Welling in the Smallville thread? ... Welling wins hands down, and it isn't even close.:up: Indeed! Routh will need a LOT more than just a muscular frame and good direction to even come close to the appeal Welling exudes in and out of character naturally. JMHO.
Wow it's alreadly Wed again we'll have a whole new episode to talk about tonite. I am so glad we came over here. I have done some potraits myself Welling is somewhat hard to draw. I think it's his nose. I don't have the same problem with other people.
AgentPat
11-03-2004, 08:50 AM
Wow it's alreadly Wed again we'll have a whole new episode to talk about tonite. I am so glad we came over here...And the best part is - we can discuss ANY TW-related subjects here and nobody will yell at us for being "off topic." :D
triplet
11-03-2004, 08:52 AM
Oh get a thicker skin nobody is after you.
I was mad and I spoke my mind. Does that make me paranoid? I don't think so...
It made me angry that again someone said Wellingites are not real Superman fans. Whatever that is supposed to mean.
Give me a ****ing break. I've been a fan of Superman since before Tom Welling was even a gleam in his daddy's eye. I don't need some teen fanboy telling me what I am or am not...
I think what makes me most angry is the implication that somehow Welling supporters aren't as good as the rest of the Superman fandom. That's patently ridiculous.
jas01724
11-03-2004, 09:01 AM
I like both, but they're very different styles and drawn to elicit different emotions. [snip] Both drawings are CLEARLY Welling though - or more specifically, SV's CK.
I dunno, I didn't think Ross nailed Welling, Kreuk or Rosenbaum on the TV Guide covers. He's technically brilliant of course, but his drawings of real people have something missing. He can't quite capture the glint in the eyes and other little things like that.
Anyway, I guess I can't talk about a drawing i've done and NOT post it...
I'm fairly happy with it considering that i've had a trapped nerve in one arm for the past three years - drawing with the use of only one hand isn't so easy. ;) This one was done about 18 months ago...
http://www.boomspeed.com/jamesascott/tomdraw.jpg
triplet
11-03-2004, 09:02 AM
Didn't look like much of a rant. You made a good argument, you received pretty good responses, no one snapped at you.
Yeah? It felt like a rant... As Jim Carrey queried in that one Batman movie: Was that over the top? I can never tell.
I'll have to go back and see what people said.
Thanks.
triplet
11-03-2004, 09:11 AM
I hesitate to ask... which thread?
The Tell the WB and Singer how you disapprove of Routh! thread.
It's post #176....
I tried to make the point that although I would have loved for TW to get the part, the problem I have is more with Routh and how things are looking than with not getting my man in the job.
So what if I, and other people, have doubts? That doesn't make us any less Superman fans than the people who don't have those doubts.
I also said that no one should beat people up over voicing their opinions just because you don't agree with them.
Or something to that effect.
Anyway, I just ran over there and peeked and I think I have a couple of posts I need to reply to...
darkzombiemutt
11-03-2004, 09:11 AM
Nice one james!
That's really good James. It really has some "life" to it.
triplet
11-03-2004, 09:42 AM
http://www.boomspeed.com/jamesascott/tomdraw.jpg
Nice...
triplet
11-03-2004, 09:44 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/welling8.jpgThanks, you're the fleas knees. :D
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1813/ralph.gif http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1813/henrietta.gif http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1813/bob.gif
The Sage
11-03-2004, 10:13 AM
I'm just dying to hear what Pat has to say about my screencaps. :D
Let me post another to get her attention:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/welling9.jpg
AgentPat
11-03-2004, 10:30 AM
The Tell the WB and Singer how you disapprove of Routh! thread.
It's post #176....
I tried to make the point that although I would have loved for TW to get the part, the problem I have is more with Routh and how things are looking than with not getting my man in the job.
So what if I, and other people, have doubts? That doesn't make us any less Superman fans than the people who don't have those doubts...Hm. Well, I think one of the biggest problems here is that people (all of us) tend to assume too much. I wish I had a dime for every time somebody said the only reason they didn't want Welling was because if he were cast, the film would end up being Smallville: The Movie. http://www.patcostello.com/temp/rolleyes.gif
The accusations that SV fans aren't true Superman fans, or worse - real Superman fans don't watch SV - is patently RIDICULOUS, not to mention insulting. I'm 40 y.o. and have been a Superman fan as far back as I can remember. I grew up with George Reeves on the tube, and comic books strewn across my bedroom floor. (I had a messy room.) I had a crush on Chris Reeve in 7th grade, and watched all of the TV shows (Superboy, L&C, etc.), but it wasn't until SV that I really found myself actually *relating* to the character. That's pretty tough to do - considering Superman is an alien with some extremely far-fetched abilities.
Furthermore, some people have suggested that if Clark Kent was played by a different actor, SV fans would all be pushing for him. Eh. Not necessarily. I never, EVER, wanted to see Dean Cain graduate up to a film version. He never inspired any sense of awe or fascination with me. In a word, I never believed he was Superman - just an actor hired to play the role. Much like Routh. *sigh*
Which brings me to my next point on the assumption train. I see a lot of posts from people that suggest Routh must be good because he won the role over all those who participated in the global casting call. Poppycock. According to S-V, Routh didn't even HAVE to screen test for Singer. Singer may have used Routh's prior screen test(s) from the McG era, but that doth not a fair comparison make, IMHO. It's not accurate to say Routh beat out the competition because McG's screens tests were not the same as Singer's. And besides the fact that the casting call was a legal requirement and was going to happen anyway, Singer's true choice was (apparently) shot down by Warners. Routh is NOT Singer's "perfect unknown." That person had no acting experience whatsoever, and was described as being a perfect cross between Reeve and the comics in looks.
It's all water under the bridge of course. I'm fairly convinced Routh was just a compromise. Something happened with Welling and Singer lost him. Warner's wouldn't agree to Singer's "perfect unknown" found in the casting call, and Singer wouldn't accept Warner's safety net, Caviezel. Enter Routh. Meh. How that translates into something we "should" be excited about is beyond me.
I'm excited to see a new Superman film, but Routh doesn't inspire confidence in me on any level. Heck, I don't even find him attractive. His acting history (what little there is) is spotty at best, and some of those manips (using the same three freakin' head shots, complete with bloodshot eyes) are scary. At least Caviezel (gulp!) had the requisite acting skillz, and Singer's perfect unknown might have had a better look. Bottom line: When weighing all pros and cons equally, Welling was the best choice overall. And many of us already see him as Superman. Imagine that?
Ack! Piss, moan, grumble and groan. It all means squat. I think there's a better chance of seeing hell freeze over than Welling playing Superman on the silver screen.
...Then again, the Red Sox DID win the World Series. I guess anything is possible. :rolleyes:
The Sage
11-03-2004, 10:32 AM
Actually I heard that Singer liked Routh's screentest with McG so much that he brought him in and had him screentest for him. I think he also liked Cavill's screentest from McG so much that he brought him in to test for Logan's Run.
I read this somewhere, I'll see if I can find it.
triplet
11-03-2004, 10:36 AM
Hm. Well, I think one of the biggest problems here is that people (all of us) tend to assume too much. I wish I had a dime for every time somebody said the only reason they didn't want Welling was because if he were cast, the film would end up being Smallville: The Movie. http://www.patcostello.com/temp/rolleyes.gif
The accusations that SV fans aren't true Superman fans, or worse - real Superman fans don't watch SV - is patently RIDICULOUS, not to mention insulting. I'm 40 y.o. and have been a Superman fan as far back as I can remember. I grew up with George Reeves on the tube, and comic books strewn across my bedroom floor. (I had a messy room.) I had a crush on Chris Reeve in 7th grade, and watched all of the TV shows (Superboy, L&C, etc.), but it wasn't until SV that I really found myself actually *relating* to the character. That's pretty tough to do - considering Superman is an alien with some extremely far-fetched abilities.
Furthermore, some people have suggested that if Clark Kent was played by a different actor, SV fans would all be pushing for him. Eh. Not necessarily. I never, EVER, wanted to see Dean Cain graduate up to a film version. He never inspired any sense of awe or fascination with me. In a word, I never believed he was Superman - just an actor hired to play the role. Much like Routh. *sigh*
Which brings me to my next point on the assumption train. I see a lot of posts from people that suggest Routh must be good because he won the role over all those who participated in the global casting call. Poppycock. According to S-V, Routh didn't even HAVE to screen test for Singer. Singer may have used Routh's prior screen test(s) from the McG era, but that doth not a fair comparison make, IMHO. It's not accurate to say Routh beat out the competition because McG's screens tests were not the same as Singer's. And besides the fact that the casting call was a legal requirement and was going to happen anyway, Singer's true choice was (apparently) shot down by Warners. Routh is NOT Singer's "perfect unknown." That person had no acting experience whatsoever, and was described as being a perfect cross between Reeve and the comics in looks.
It's all water under the bridge of course. I'm fairly convinced Routh was just a compromise. Something happened with Welling and Singer lost him. Warner's wouldn't agree to Singer's "perfect unknown" found in the casting call, and Singer wouldn't accept Warner's safety net, Caviezel. Enter Routh. Meh. How that translates into something we "should" be excited about is beyond me.
I'm excited to see a new Superman film, but Routh doesn't inspire confidence in me on any level. Heck, I don't even find him attractive. His acting history (what little there is) is spotty at best, and some of those manips (using the same three freakin' head shots, complete with bloodshot eyes) are scary. At least Caviezel (gulp!) had the requisite acting skillz, and Singer's perfect unknown might have had a better look. Bottom line: When weighing all pros and cons equally, Welling was the best choice overall. And many of us already see him as Superman. Imagine that?
Ack! Piss, moan, grumble and groan. It all means squat. I think there's a better chance of seeing hell freeze over than Welling playing Superman on the silver screen.
...Then again, the Red Sox DID win the World Series. I guess anything is possible. :rolleyes:
:up:
The Sage
11-03-2004, 10:39 AM
Wasn't Tobey Maguire a compromise as well? He turned out great in Spider-Man. :o
triplet
11-03-2004, 10:44 AM
Wasn't Tobey Maguire a compromise as well? He turned out great in Spider-Man. :o
But he'd been acting for years and had tons of experience... I'm still not wowed by Routh.
triplet
11-03-2004, 10:47 AM
I'm just dying to hear what Pat has to say about my screencaps. :D
Let me post another to get her attention:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/welling9.jpg
Ooooh... I really like that one.
That's a very superman-like look on his face. ;)
:D
AgentPat
11-03-2004, 11:00 AM
Actually I heard that Singer liked Routh's screentest with McG so much that he brought him in and had him screentest for him. I think he also liked Cavill's screentest from McG so much that he brought him in to test for Logan's Run.Eh. So? I heard Singer offered the role first to Welling. ;)
BTW, LOVE your screen caps. They're awesome. Keep 'em coming! :D
But [Maguire] had been acting for years and had tons of experience... I'm still not wowed by Routh.Exactly. Just because a compromise worked in one situation doesn't mean it's going to "work" again. It's also SpiderMan, not Superman. I didn't even bother SEEING SpiderMan2 in the theaters. I'll just pick it up on DVD when it comes out. Superman is my hero, NOT bloody SpiderMan. :p
Regardless, I agree with Triplet; I'm not wowed by Routh or his credentials. I AM wowed by Welling. He just keeps getting better and better every year. It's amazing.
PS: James, nice drawing! :up:
RakuMon
11-03-2004, 11:02 AM
And the best part is - we can discuss ANY TW-related subjects here and nobody will yell at us for being "off topic." :D
That's why I thought I'd do us all a favor and create a TW thread over here! ;)
triplet
11-03-2004, 11:06 AM
That's why I thought I'd do us all a favor and create a TW thread over here! ;)
And it was a brilliant move on your part... thanks.
AgentPat
11-03-2004, 11:10 AM
That's why I thought I'd do us all a favor and create a TW thread over here! ;)Was a capital idea. I still don't know why SuperMod didn't just move the other one. How difficult is that? It's not like it was going to take up anymore bandwidth or anything; the thread is still archived on the server. :rolleyes:
Anyhoo, thanks Lokmon. This thread will likely turn into the RP thread of the SV forum. Works for moi! :D
The Sage
11-03-2004, 11:14 AM
But he'd been acting for years and had tons of experience... I'm still not wowed by Routh.
Ah, good point :)
Gmanofsteel
11-03-2004, 11:15 AM
Ooooh... I really like that one.
That's a very superman-like look on his face. ;)
:D
supes in baaad moood :p
Well this sucks noone I voted for got elected Bah! I can't get my President, Governor or Superman =( BTW if anyone wants the magazine pick it up when it's out I had to order the first issue off of Ebay after even trying to call freak'n England. You guys in England I'm glad this is typed because I can't understand anyone I must be stupid and deaf.
The Sage
11-03-2004, 11:19 AM
Eh. So? I heard Singer offered the role first to Welling.
BTW, LOVE your screen caps. They're awesome. Keep 'em coming!
I heard Singer offered the role first to Dougray Scott. We know what happened there. :D
Okay, here's another. Gotta love the lighting.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/welling11.jpg
Regardless, I agree with Triplet; I'm not wowed by Routh or his credentials. I AM wowed by Welling. He just keeps getting better and better every year. It's amazing.
That probably has something to do with seeing him weekly and being somewhat "attached" to the guy, if you catch my drift. ;)
This will probably get muted too, but Reeve wasn't exactly Donner's first choice either. The casting director kept putting Reeve's picture on the top of the pile, the pic kept getting moved to the bottom. Finally Donner took a lookat him, and the rest is history.
But I do understand your worry about his experience.
darkzombiemutt
11-03-2004, 11:24 AM
I thought Donner kept putting it at the top of the pile and the salkinds kept putting it back at the bottom. I could be wrong, but thats what i thought.
The Sage
11-03-2004, 11:27 AM
I thought Donner kept putting it at the top of the pile and the salkinds kept putting it back at the bottom. I could be wrong, but thats what i thought.
Nah, look at the STM: SE. The casting director kept putting Reeve' s picture on the top and it kept getting shuffled to the bottom. Finally, Donner decided to test him.
triplet
11-03-2004, 12:35 PM
I heard Singer offered the role first to Dougray Scott. We know what happened there. :D
Okay, here's another. Gotta love the lighting.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/welling11.jpg
I love the lighting in Smallville.
My hubby is a theatrical lighting designer and I was a film major in college, so I'm very aware of that kind of thing.
They always have such wonderful lighting...
My hubby, oddly, however doesn't like lighting that is too theatrical on TV. He absolutely hates the lighting on the West Wing and I can't even get him to watch Smallville at all but he'd probably hate it too.
He wants TV to have a realistic look and use practical instruments more... ::sigh::
I think he'd like Smallville if he gave it a chance but me and the kids watch it, so I still got my SV buddies at home. ;)
Serene
11-03-2004, 01:01 PM
Was a capital idea. I still don't know why SuperMod didn't just move the other one. :D
Maybe it was just too embarrasing to all the anti-Welling people to have a thread devoted to Welling for Supes be the LONGEST thread in existence. :)
triplet
11-03-2004, 01:03 PM
Maybe it was just too embarrasing to all the anti-Welling people to have a thread devoted to Welling for Supes be the LONGEST thread in existence. :)
LOL!
You're probably right. :D
Gmanofsteel
11-03-2004, 01:03 PM
yeah, thats the truth :)
i miss that thread :(
RakuMon
11-03-2004, 01:04 PM
Maybe it was just too embarrasing to all the anti-Welling people to have a thread devoted to Welling for Supes be the LONGEST thread in existence. :)
yeah i tried to convince superman to just port the original TW thread to either here or S-world but he wouldnt have it. ah well, at least this thread is here. and i say again, i challenge you all to make it as big if not bigger than the original!
Serene
11-03-2004, 01:09 PM
Well this sucks noone I voted for got elected Bah! I can't get my President, Governor or Superman =(
LOL.. I have to admit, I thought the same thing today.. (re: President and Superman). I was happy to have the Senator I wanted elected (Obama 2008 ;)) and a very important local referendum passed. Just like with the Superman decison, I'm gritting my teeth and hoping for the best.
BTW if anyone wants the magazine pick it up when it's out I had to order the first issue off of Ebay after even trying to call freak'n England. You guys in England I'm glad this is typed because I can't understand anyone I must be stupid and deaf.
Do you mean the new Smallville Magazine? If so, I found mine at Borders. I need to stop in there and pick up the second issue sometime soon. Or maybe you mean the Dreamwatch issue with TW on the cover.. in which case, I have also seen those at Borders and B&N (I think).
Serene
11-03-2004, 01:11 PM
i challenge you all to make it as big if not bigger than the original!
Not a prob. ;)
We've got some good "talkers" in this forum. *ahem*
triplet
11-03-2004, 01:16 PM
Well this sucks noone I voted for got elected Bah! I can't get my President, Governor or Superman =(
At least here in Colorado the dems won back control of the state houses and we kept that facsist Pete Coors out of the Senate.
A couple of bright spots for me...
Serene
11-03-2004, 01:21 PM
Btw, I love the last two caps you posted, Sage. Eerie, but those are the exact two that I was hoping to find good caps of from Transference. I wanted to make an avatar out of one of them.. as soon as I figure out how to do that. :)
triplet
11-03-2004, 01:26 PM
Btw, I love the last two caps you posted, Sage. Eerie, but those are the exact two that I was hoping to find good caps of from Transference. I wanted to make an avatar out of one of them.. as soon as I figure out how to do that. :)
I wanna make an avatar outta Lionel checking out his new bod up in the loft...
You got a cap of that, Sage?
Serene,
I can make an avatar for you, if you want. Just tell me what part of which image and I can do it pretty easy.
have photopaint, will travel! ;)
Serene
11-03-2004, 01:32 PM
I can make an avatar for you, if you want. Just tell me what part of which image and I can do it pretty easy.
have photopaint, will travel! ;)
Cool :) How about the headshots in both of them, if that's not too much trouble. I'm not sure if the angelic one will be too washed out or not when it's shrunken down to the microscopic avatar size that I'm allowed. :)
Muwah, muwah!
Ooooh... I really like that one.
That's a very superman-like look on his face. ;)
:D
Actually I could see Tom Welling playing a new incarnation of the Crow :o He's got the features that worked for Brandon Lee :up: Features that wouldn't work for Superman but definitely would work for a role like that.
darkzombiemutt
11-03-2004, 01:38 PM
eh, you also think Law would pass as Superman. Zod yeah, but no Superman.
AgentPat
11-03-2004, 01:53 PM
I heard Singer offered the role first to Dougray Scott. We know what happened there. :DI'm not sure I even want to admit this on a superhero message board, but I never even had HEARD of X-Men until the film was playing in theaters. I had no clue. Yeah, I know I said I had comic books strewn across my floor as a kid. But they were ALL Superman comics. LOL For X-Men, who was cast or not cast - as the case might be - was totally moot to me. Hell, Danny DiVito could have played Wolverine and I would heve been like, okay. Kinda short - but maybe he's *supposed* to be short. [wink wink]
That probably has something to do with seeing him weeklyNo doubt. How amazing would it be to have gone to high school with Clark Kent?
Wait, I did!!!
I spent four years with the guy. I even know his parents. They're pretty cool. Mom makes great apple pies, and father is a little stubborn, but he's a great dad. Clark is afraid of heights and hates peas. He likes flannel, but blue looks best on him. He likes to play hoops and football. He has a passion for astronomy, and a fascination with Native American cave paintings and lore. His first words were his birth mother's name, Lara. His friends are loyal, if not a bit nosey at times. Clark has a secret, but he'd be horrified to know how many people actually know it. Geeze, even *I* know. Poor guy. Somebody should just tell him to relax 'cause everything is gonna work out peachy. Then again, it's not the destination that's important, it's the journey that counts...
*sigh* Is any of this sinking in yet? Like I previously said, I used to watch L&C too, but I never wanted Dean Cain to play Superman in a film. He was just another actor to don the suit.
...and being somewhat "attached" to the guy, if you catch my drift. ;)Heh. As if physical attractiveness doesn't influence most of the guys posting about who they feel should play Lois?
See, THIS is a perfect example of where somebody's opinion is valued less because they're labeled biased. I know this is gonna make some folks here cringe, but fanboys need to wake up to the fact that Superman appeals to more than just a male audience. And when it comes to entertainment, men aren't very different than woman: sex appeal IS important.
Reeve wasn't exactly Donner's first choice either. The casting director kept putting Reeve's picture on the top of the pile, the pic kept getting moved to the bottom. Finally Donner took a look at him, and the rest is history.I would be interested to find out WHY the photo was shuffled so much. What was it about Reeve that turned Donner off at first?
But I do understand your worry about his experience.Well, that's one hurdle cleared, I guess.
Gmanofsteel
11-03-2004, 02:08 PM
eh, you also think Law would pass as Superman. Zod yeah, but no Superman.
he looks so much like zod....its scary :eek:
triplet
11-03-2004, 02:22 PM
Cool :) How about the headshots in both of them, if that's not too much trouble. I'm not sure if the angelic one will be too washed out or not when it's shrunken down to the microscopic avatar size that I'm allowed. :)
Muwah, muwah!
The angelic one probably won't work well as an avatar, but I'll give it a try and send you what I come up with.
It's not that hard, if you've got the right software and a little time... so no biggie.
AgentPat
11-03-2004, 02:23 PM
Now WHY couldn't The WB release more photos from the "Look Up" shoot?
Um... like THIS one...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/hotnsexy_812/pictures/tw_wbpromo19.jpg
Folks have Jana at DTS to thank for that un. Daaaayum!! :D
Serene
11-03-2004, 02:31 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/hotnsexy_812/pictures/tw_wbpromo19.jpg
Folks have Jana at DTS to thank for that un. Daaaayum!! :D
I saw that one (and the ensuing controversy :rolleyes: ) Glad you posted it, it's really one of the more beautiful shots I've seen.
triplet
11-03-2004, 02:37 PM
Now WHY couldn't The WB release more photos from the "Look Up" shoot?
Um... like THIS one...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/hotnsexy_812/pictures/tw_wbpromo19.jpg
Folks have Jana at DTS to thank for that un. Daaaayum!! :D
That's a nice one... :D
Daaayuuum is right!
http://deephousepage.com/smilies/1luvu.gif
Gmanofsteel
11-03-2004, 02:42 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/hotnsexy_812/pictures/tw_wbpromo19.jpg
Welling manip....NOW! :D
Now WHY couldn't The WB release more photos from the "Look Up" shoot?
Um... like THIS one...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/hotnsexy_812/pictures/tw_wbpromo19.jpg
Folks have Jana at DTS to thank for that un. Daaaayum!! :D
He looks like a surfer :eek:
Cowabunga :o
darkzombiemutt
11-03-2004, 02:52 PM
Flamer
http://www.thebackofthemoon.com/Simpsons/Images/bart2.jpg
http://www.donthaveacowman.com/Simpsons/Cards/Bart%20Bootleg/Bo%20&%20Bart%20-%20Surfing%20(F).jpg
Welling can now join the surf greats :eek:
rumpuso
11-03-2004, 03:11 PM
yeah i tried to convince superman to just port the original TW thread to either here or S-world but he wouldnt have it. ah well, at least this thread is here. and i say again, i challenge you all to make it as big if not bigger than the original!
Of course this won't be a popular thing to say, but he just may have been told to archive that thread so that when Routh falls through, they can reopen the Tom Welling for Superman thread once again. :p (I can say that over here...it's a Tom Welling thread!)
Agent Pat, your posts are brilliant. Do you have a fan club?
The Sage
11-03-2004, 03:18 PM
Btw, I love the last two caps you posted, Sage. Eerie, but those are the exact two that I was hoping to find good caps of from Transference. I wanted to make an avatar out of one of them.. as soon as I figure out how to do that. :)
Talk to Grey Area next time he's online. He's good at making avatars. :up:
The Sage
11-03-2004, 03:19 PM
I wanna make an avatar outta Lionel checking out his new bod up in the loft...
You got a cap of that, Sage?
Serene,
I can make an avatar for you, if you want. Just tell me what part of which image and I can do it pretty easy.
have photopaint, will travel! ;)
Hmm, I think I can get those. Shouldn't be a problem.
The Sage
11-03-2004, 03:20 PM
Now WHY couldn't The WB release more photos from the "Look Up" shoot?
Um... like THIS one...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/hotnsexy_812/pictures/tw_wbpromo19.jpg
Folks have Jana at DTS to thank for that un. Daaaayum!! :D
Hey Welling! Surfs up dude! :D
Hey Welling! Surfs up dude! :D
I can always count on sage to see the light...
http://tinypic.com/funu9
The Sage
11-03-2004, 03:22 PM
I'm not sure I even want to admit this on a superhero message board, but I never even had HEARD of X-Men until the film was playing in theaters. I had no clue. Yeah, I know I said I had comic books strewn across my floor as a kid. But they were ALL Superman comics. LOL For X-Men, who was cast or not cast - as the case might be - was totally moot to me. Hell, Danny DiVito could have played Wolverine and I would heve been like, okay. Kinda short - but maybe he's *supposed* to be short. [wink wink]
No doubt. How amazing would it be to have gone to high school with Clark Kent?
Wait, I did!!!
I spent four years with the guy. I even know his parents. They're pretty cool. Mom makes great apple pies, and father is a little stubborn, but he's a great dad. Clark is afraid of heights and hates peas. He likes flannel, but blue looks best on him. He likes to play hoops and football. He has a passion for astronomy, and a fascination with Native American cave paintings and lore. His first words were his birth mother's name, Lara. His friends are loyal, if not a bit nosey at times. Clark has a secret, but he'd be horrified to know how many people actually know it. Geeze, even *I* know. Poor guy. Somebody should just tell him to relax 'cause everything is gonna work out peachy. Then again, it's not the destination that's important, it's the journey that counts...
*sigh* Is any of this sinking in yet? Like I previously said, I used to watch L&C too, but I never wanted Dean Cain to play Superman in a film. He was just another actor to don the suit.
Heh. As if physical attractiveness doesn't influence most of the guys posting about who they feel should play Lois?
See, THIS is a perfect example of where somebody's opinion is valued less because they're labeled biased. I know this is gonna make some folks here cringe, but fanboys need to wake up to the fact that Superman appeals to more than just a male audience. And when it comes to entertainment, men aren't very different than woman: sex appeal IS important.
I would be interested to find out WHY the photo was shuffled so much. What was it about Reeve that turned Donner off at first?
Well, that's one hurdle cleared, I guess.
See that's why I like you, Pat. We can argue back and forth over anything and everything and it doesn't get hostile. :)
The Sage
11-03-2004, 03:23 PM
Flamer
Does that mean I'm flaming too? Well if that's how you feel, I'll leave. I'll take my screencaps with me too. :(
:D
triplet
11-03-2004, 03:24 PM
Of course this won't be a popular thing to say, but he just may have been told to archive that thread so that when Routh falls through, they can reopen the Tom Welling for Superman thread once again. :p (I can say that over here...it's a Tom Welling thread!)
That's a very interesting idea... :D
Agent Pat, your posts are brilliant. Do you have a fan club?
If she does, can I join?
Does that mean I'm flaming too? Well if that's how you feel, I'll leave. I'll take my screencaps with me too. :(
:D
LOL just because it looks like he is surfing it must be anti welling propaganda right? Heh, yeah we are evil for finding humor in that sage :eek:
Gmanofsteel
11-03-2004, 03:26 PM
If she does, can I join?
i'd join, but i get the feeling its a welling fan club...for the ladies..;)
The Sage
11-03-2004, 03:27 PM
He looks like a surfer :eek:
Cowabunga :o
[Vanilla Ice]Go Kal-El, go Kal-El go! Go Kal-El, go Kal-El go! Go! Go! Go![/Vanilla Ice]
:D
Well, off to work. Frickin campus job.
Later.
darkzombiemutt
11-03-2004, 03:30 PM
naw sage, you contribute, JC flames, I wouldnt mind so much if he'd hang around and actually chat in a constructive manner. But hell, this thread was made because people didnt want us around in the Superman forum. Now they show up here to harass us and pour salt in our wounds. I can handle him not liking Welling, but some people go above and beyond the call of duty to crap on us here.
naw sage, you contribute, JC flames, I wouldnt mind so much if he'd hang around and actually chat in a constructive manner. But hell, this thread was made because people didnt want us around in the Superman forum. Now they show up here to harass us and poor salt in our wounds. I can handle him not liking Welling, but some people go above and beyond the call of duty to crap on us here.
congrats you are full of sh** :up:
jas01724
11-03-2004, 03:33 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/hotnsexy_812/pictures/tw_wbpromo19.jpg
The bit I find amusing is that you can see the support post jamming into his crotch...
The bit I find amusing is that you can see the support post jamming into his crotch...
That's not a support post :eek:
darkzombiemutt
11-03-2004, 03:37 PM
congrats you are full of sh** :up:
Maybe, but at least it isn't spewing out of my "mouth", like some people.
jas01724
11-03-2004, 03:37 PM
That's not a support post :eek:
Poor, dear thing that you are. Tom Welling can't really fly. Except in a 'plane, hot air balloon, hang-glider, microlight, parachute, helicopter, autogyro, or some such contraption...
RakuMon
11-03-2004, 03:54 PM
Have you guys noticed the SV forum traffic has been up considerably lately? Hmmm... I wonder why that is? ;)
darkzombiemutt
11-03-2004, 04:00 PM
Have you guys noticed the SV forum traffic has been up considerably lately? Hmmm... I wonder why that is? ;)
JCDC flaming.
ok, Im being a prick now. I appologize.
Yeah, it has been up, Not alot going on in the movie area right now. I try to stay excited, but until they actually start casting the rest of the movie and more pics of Fratman are released, I have nothing to say in there. I wanna start maniping again soon, I guess I could still make Welling ones, but thats kinda depressing. So, I'll hang out in here, cuz at least there is something real to discuss every week.
Poor, dear thing that you are. Tom Welling can't really fly. Except in a 'plane, hot air balloon, hang-glider, microlight, parachute, helicopter, autogyro, or some such contraption...
Wait, does that mean Dean Cain and Christopher Reeve didn't do their own flying either? OMG :(
jas01724
11-03-2004, 04:16 PM
Wait, does that mean Dean Cain and Christopher Reeve didn't do their own flying either? OMG :(
Oh no, when people kick his ass out of a building Dean Cain has been known to fly quite effectively...
You know what I never even saw the whole Donner movie till after Smallville. I think I was 4 when it came out. I come from Batman and X-men. Well I guess there was Superfriends when I was a kid. I have no Superman fan cred and I no longer care. Nothing I have to prove over here. BTW I was talking about the Smallville magazine if you don't get it before the next one comes out you are royally screwed it's considered a back issue.
The Sage
11-03-2004, 08:58 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/welling10.jpg
AgentPat
11-03-2004, 09:03 PM
Hey Sage, did you see tonight's ep? The scene where Clark is putting on his uh... uniform. ;) That LOOK in his eye. Dude, you HAVE to cap that. It's amazing. I don't want to keep stating the obvious, but gosh, it was sooooo Superman. *sigh*
The Sage
11-03-2004, 09:06 PM
I won't be able to get good quality caps until tomorrow. Sorry Pat.
Yeah his facials were pretty good. Amazing how he had red socks on. LOL
He has a good look, this is true.
Strange
11-03-2004, 09:06 PM
How about when he was in the Talon and they put the red Crows flag over his shoulders and he had he blue shirt on, that just screamed Superman.
AgentPat
11-03-2004, 09:12 PM
I won't be able to get good quality caps until tomorrow. Sorry Pat.
Yeah his facials were pretty good. Amazing how he had red socks on. LOL
He has a good look, this is true.Okay, no biggie. I could cap it from tape, but I don't record in HD. Comcast doesn't broadcast in HD here. :mad:
The red sox... um... red socks (sorry, force of habit LOL) were classic.
And yeah, the look... mama mia. Just keeps getting better.
How about when he was in the Talon and they put the red Crows flag over his shoulders and he had he blue shirt on, that just screamed Superman.My husband and I chuckled over that. We both saw it coming a mile away too. The crow logo in yellow just drove it over the top.
The red blanket in Talisman and Crusade were better. More subtle. Sometimes, SV just whacks you over the head with foreshadowing. Okay, we got it. LOL
The Navigator
11-03-2004, 09:17 PM
Yes, indeed.
AgentPat
11-03-2004, 09:21 PM
Agent Pat, your posts are brilliant. Do you have a fan club?Awww! Thanks Rumpuso! :)
No fan club for me. I'd rather see folks keep poking away at Warners. ;)
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/poke.gif
"What were you people thinking?"
Yeah, I can be baaaad too. LOL!!!
The Navigator
11-03-2004, 09:23 PM
Not as bad as THIS guy:
http://theindyexperience.com/photo_gallery/Indiana_Jones_and_the_Temple_of_Doom/4.jpg
The Sage
11-03-2004, 09:24 PM
The red sox... um... red socks (sorry, force of habit LOL) were classic.
A little angry about something, Miss Pat? :D
AgentPat
11-03-2004, 09:25 PM
See that's why I like you, Pat. We can argue back and forth over anything and everything and it doesn't get hostile. :):up: :D
Anytime, Sage. http://www.patcostello.com/temp/kiss.gif
RabbitSamurai, OMG! It's Jon Peters! Run!!!!!!
Pat ---> Yankee fan, living in Boston. Sux to be her.
The Sage
11-03-2004, 09:27 PM
Awww! Thanks Rumpuso! :)
No fan club for me. I'd rather see folks keep poking away at Warners. ;)
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/poke.gif
"What were you people thinking?"
Yeah, I can be baaaad too. LOL!!!
LOL, now is really their fault?
The Navigator
11-03-2004, 09:28 PM
:up: :D
Anytime, Sage. http://www.patcostello.com/temp/kiss.gif
RabbitSamurai, OMG! It's Jon Peters! Run!!!!!!
Pat ---> Yankee fan, living in Boston. Sux to be her.
Jon Peters? That's the guy's name?
Who knew.
AgentPat
11-03-2004, 09:46 PM
LOL, now is really their fault?Fault? Who said anything about a fault? We all have our faults. Mine is in California. ;)
Heh. Sorry, I'm in a "mood" tonight. Great SV episodes usually do that to me.
The Sage
11-03-2004, 09:48 PM
Fault? Who said anything about a fault? We all have our faults. Mine is in California. ;)
Heh. Sorry, I'm in a "mood" tonight. Great SV episodes usually do that to me.
Well, barring Myx's character, it was pretty good.
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