The Official Tom Welling Thread

[triplet]

no porn :o

LOL!

I just couldn't imagine what was so bad... I guess I'll shut up now. :D

[Serene]

Just my .02...

I *like* the minimal moderation we have in here. I'm sure Big Brother peeks in at us every now and then which seems to be just about as much as we need. I really don't think that we need 'tending as much as some other forums. Anything major bad that needs immediate attention can be PM'd to one of TPTB easily enough..or we can always use the ignore feature (usually. ;))

[jas01724]

Pffft, I wasn't expecting Para to have had a porno avatar, I just expected it to have been something twisted and evil; which is just the way I like it, by the bye.

[triplet]

Just my .02...

I *like* the minimal moderation we have in here. I'm sure Big Brother peeks in at us every now and then which seems to be just about as much as we need. I really don't think that we need 'tending as much as some other forums. Anything major bad that needs immediate attention can be PM'd to one of TPTB easily enough..or we can always use the ignore feature (usually. ;))

Yeah, but I think certain people have been way too cranky the last few days... just kinda over it. Made me very cranky myself.

But point taken.

Actually, the ignore I put someone on today has greatly decreased my blood pressure and helped me to get rid of a major headache I was nursing...

Maybe Para should give it a try... :up:

That's Doctor Triplet's advice for the day. :D

[jas01724]

It's weird, I never put people on ignore. Reason being that everyone can post something worthwhile at least once, and if that happens I'd rather not miss it. :p

[triplet]

It's weird, I never put people on ignore. Reason being that everyone can post something worthwhile at least once, and if that happens I'd rather not miss it. :p

Jc was just getting on my last nerve, so I may take him off in a couple of days after he's calmed down.

He seems to go on jags where he enjoys pissing people off, he'll be over it eventually.

I've seen a few hints here and there of what he's been saying in quoted replies so right now I think I'm happier in my ignorant bliss... .

[jas01724]

He's a nuisance, but ultimately harmless.

[triplet]

He's a nuisance, but ultimately harmless.

Yeah, I like the guy and we've been really friendly in PM's and emails, but I had to stop reading what he was writing about Welling and Smallville.

Look, it's like my sister and me not getting along when it comes to politics.

She loves the guy who won. A lot.

I hate the guy who won. A lot.

We'd argue about it on the phone from time to time before the election, but then it kinda came to a head. So, we argued worse than we'd ever argued before. She was for this, I was against that. It was ugly. And we never fight.

This is one of my triplet sisters I'm talking about. One of the two closest people to me in the world, besides my husband and kids.

Well, we decided to not even talk about politics ever again. We won't see eye to eye on politics ever, we're both very passionate about our own points of view, and it's not worth our relationship.

Well, Jc and me and this whole Welling vs Routh thingy, I see it as the same sorta sitch. I see things one way, he sees things another way.

It's pointless to even listen to what he has to say because he won't change my mind and it's pointless for me to reply because I won't change his mind.

I tried telling him that but he kept on coming, so he's on ignore.

Maybe this way, we can keep what we can of our friendship, which is a relatively new thing and I feel is still a bit fragile at this point.

[triplet]

On second thought, maybe my friendship with JcDc ain't worth saving.

Just been on the other forum and he's bashing us right and left, and I can only tell by the quotes in other people's replies...

I feel used and totally misunderstood by someone I thought was my friend. Someone who I thought I'd shared something with and he's over there bashing us all as ignorant dolts.

Good riddance.

[jas01724]

It's never nice when somebody you like "stabs you in the back", so to speak, but then I've never spoken to Jc in PM or email. He's always been the same (oddly likeable despite everything) pain in the butt. A little like muscles...

I have a new avatar. :D

[triplet]

It's never nice when somebody you like "stabs you in the back", so to speak, but then I've never spoken to Jc in PM or email. He's always been the same (oddly likeable despite everything) pain in the butt. A little like muscles...

I have a new avatar. :D

I'm probably feeling too sensitive, but I feel like every bad thing he's saying about "Wellingites" he's saying about me.

I helped him out when he needed it, and I thought there was a connection there and we were getting to be friends. And yet he's totally insensitive to how him saying that stuff would hurt me.

Yeah, "stabbed in the back" kinda describes it.

:shrug:

I get too emotionally attached for the wrong reasons sometimes.

Worse thing is that now I just feel stupid. :(

:sigh:

Anyway, I like your avatar.

But I think I'm going to bed after I do a little more writing...

Work is ****ty and now here isn't much better. Have to escape somehow, getting into someone else's head other than mine might help...

;)

I'll be better tomorrow. Maybe my mood ring won't be so black then.

[Thunder Emperor]

i have come to a conclusion on singer and singerman. i realize that welling not cast was a good choice, yes i had taken notice before that singer was just continuing the donner line. but to me it seems he is doing it literally and he wanted someone that looks like reeve. i think hwsnbn looks more like reeve than he does superman. welling looks for like superman than he does reeve. which will not work for singer and his singerman picture

[JcDc]

I'm probably feeling too sensitive, but I feel like every bad thing he's saying about "Wellingites" he's saying about me.

I helped him out when he needed it, and I thought there was a connection there and we were getting to be friends. And yet he's totally insensitive to how him saying that stuff would hurt me.

Yeah, "stabbed in the back" kinda describes it.

:shrug:

I get too emotionally attached for the wrong reasons sometimes.

Worse thing is that now I just feel stupid. :(

:sigh:

Anyway, I like your avatar.

But I think I'm going to bed after I do a little more writing...

Work is ****ty and now here isn't much better. Have to escape somehow, getting into someone else's head other than mine might help...

;)

I'll be better tomorrow. Maybe my mood ring won't be so black then.

Someone quote this since I guess Agent Spat and Secret Sidekick Serene got triplet to ignore me:

There is a connection there, and I didn't think of you in terms of my disappointment with the forum behavior. I think it's ridiculous you don't come to me about an issue, instead listening to troll happy chicks like Agent Spat and her sidekick Serene. I feel I have every right to give a different viewpoint and have my opinion about a tv show. I just noticed some things I was told not to do if I wanted to contribute to this forum. I ended up doing those things only to see the mose hypocritical behavior in return. Because I have a distaste for what's been going on lately in here, it doesn't mean I have a problem with you. YOU out of all people should know that. If you look at some of the threads I complained about, in those threads I actually said positive things about you... I did that because 1. I mean them and 2. I didn't want you to feel I was alienating you along with some of the other contradicting members here. If you want to throw away a friendship because of different views regarding a tv show or actor, that's really ridiculous :down I've said nothing against you. Friends shouldn't let others get in the middle of their friendship, and I feel that's what you are doing. Just because they are so quick to get sarcastic and behave in a certain way, that doesn't mean whatever we're arguing about has to include you taking a side. I do my best to keep you out of the argument so you don't feel a weight on our friendship. I personally feel there is nothing wrong with me having a different viewpoint regarding smallville, and leave the discussion we have on the forum... Away from the forum we should still be able to be friends. Sheesh! Still love ya even if you didn't read this :-/ I just question if you are letting people get in the middle.

[Serene]

.

:shrug:

I get too emotionally attached for the wrong reasons sometimes.

Worse thing is that now I just feel stupid.

Don't feel stupid because you happen to be a very nice person who's willing to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Me, not so much. I've been around the fandom thing a fairly long time, and I've learned that there's more b.s. out there than not. I don't find whatshisface harmless.. he's schmoozing you one minute and being a malicious jerk the other. And it's been that way from day one.. the story never changes. Eh.. who needs it. Honestly, he's the *only* person I have on ignore.

[Lara]

Secondly...here's another article about The Fog.. a pretty good one too

http://www.empireonline.co.uk/site/news/newsstory.asp?news_id=16593
I found that interesting because I can't even find forums where it's really being discussed.

[JcDc]

Don't feel stupid because you happen to be a very nice person who's willing to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Me, not so much. I've been around the fandom thing a fairly long time, and I've learned that there's more b.s. out there than not. I don't find whatshisface harmless.. he's schmoozing you one minute and being a malicious jerk the other. And it's been that way from day one.. the story never changes. Eh.. who needs it. Honestly, he's the *only* person I have on ignore.


This conversation has nothing to do with you, stop butting in and getting in the middle. You seriously don't know a damn thing about me. Go ahead and say you don't want too either :rolleyes: For you to call me a "malicious jerk" is so far out of line. I'm sure you'll end up reading this, know that you are wrong, and say nothing cause uhh.. I'm on ignore :rolleyes: Only reason I don't have you on ignore is because I know you talk sh** about me and I have no problem to stand up for myself when that's the case. I give an opinion on the forum acting in a contradicting manner, I give an opinion in a thread MADE to bash Routh that said he was dropped, and I'm being malicious?? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. This is not a dictatorship, neither you Agent Spat will run me off. I break no rules, give my opinion when I want. I don't make personal attacks either. Unlike SOME that are in this forum. Just knock it off.

[AgentPat]

This one does me in. Gorgeous face. Thank you Pat.You're quite welcome, Rumpuso. I believe that photo was taken during the scenes where Clark was talking to Lionel in prison. They must have darkened the print in post though because it looks like there was plenty of ambient lighting - but it probably looked more "prison-like" for it to be dark.

I see Para was here last night. Dude, WHERE'S MY BORG MANIPS?! You can't come here w/o posting a you-will-be-assimilated manip. LOL

Love ya, Para! http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/kiss.gif

Are you being serious? A mod actually like Tom Welling enough to think he should have been Superman?

Or have I unknowingly passed into a parallel universe?Parallel universe, babe. But Para's cool. See, if he wanted to be our mod here, I'd have no problem with it. He's a fair guy. But Para, I thought you were wicked busy recently? You getting back into the swing of things now?

encouraging Welling Bashing in a Smallville forum is like encouraging Bale Bashing in a Batman forum. I don't know how convincing I sound :oBale Bashing? Where? Lemme at 'em! :mad:

It's weird, I never put people on ignore. Reason being that everyone can post something worthwhile at least once, and if that happens I'd rather not miss it. :pYeah, but after a while, the bad outweighs the good, and I'd rather increase my fun here, not decrease it. Those in my ignore list have earned the right to be there. Besides, it takes two to tango, so I rather be the bigger person and bow out of future arguments gracefully. "Ignore" is my happy pill. :D

...I had taken notice before that singer was just continuing the donner line. but to me it seems he is doing it literally and he wanted someone that looks like reeve. I think hwsnbn looks more like reeve than he does superman. welling looks for like superman than he does reeve. which will not work for singer and his singerman pictureHmm. Interesting. I don't think the casting decision rested completely on look - Singer's comments point more to not wanting Welling solely because of his connection with SV (an ironic point since that's pretty much the only reason folks wanted him for the role to being with, but whatever.)

I found that interesting because I can't even find forums where it's really being discussed.Hey! That was a great read! Thanks Serene.

Lara, there's not that many forums actively discussing the film yet, but that will probably pick up over the next few months. For now, this thread is just as appropriate a place, I suppose. It's one of Welling's films, and he's the star, so... ;)

I'm gonna cut and paste that article here for posterity. It's a keeper:

The Fog Demystified
Exclusive: We speak to the remake’s director, Rupert Wainwright
3/1/05
Despite the fact that the recent remakes of Dawn of the Dead, Assault on Precinct 13, and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre all turned out pretty well, there’s nothing that fans like more than griping about potential remakes of their favorite horror movies. The Amityville Horror rejig is almost upon us, Sam Raimi is planning an Evil Dead revamp, but the film incurring the highest levels of geek rage is the retooling of John Carpenter’s The Fog. But director Rupert Wainwright, who’s currently calling the shots on that flick in Vancouver, is adamant that there’s no need to worry.

“We’re all fans of the original movie, but it’s 25 years old and there are plenty of reasons to remake it,” said Wainwright, talking exclusively to Empire from the movie’s dry ice-encrusted set. In fact, he’s not alone: Carpenter and original producer/co-screenwriter Debra Hill have not only given the blessing to the Sony/Revolution Studios project, but are serving as producers.

“A little went a long way back then,” Wainwright adds, referring to the original’s inexpensive but effective special effects, “but nowadays the technology has got to the point where you can really do a lot with the fog itself.”

Considered a lesser Carpenter effort, but nonetheless an impressive exercise in mood and atmospherics, The Fog is set in a small coastal California town whose founding fathers lured a ship to its doom in order to steal the gold on board. Exactly a century on (apparently ghosts have calendars), the arrival of a thick yellow fog signals the return of the ancient mariners, seeking revenge from beyond their watery graves.

Fanboys have been concerned by the new version’s cast, which includes such TV staples as Smallville’s Tom Welling and Maggie Grace from Lost, while the 1980 original featured the likes of Jamie Lee Curtis, Tom Atkins, Hal Holbrook and Janet Leigh. Yet Wainwright insists The Fog will not be your typical teen slasher, nor is it likely to follow the MTV-style editing of his earlier horror film, Stigmata. “The bar has been raised so high recently, not just in the recent run of studio remakes, but in movies like 28 Days Later,” he says. “We’re being really hard on ourselves, so the end product will provide exactly what the audience wants, not just in terms of shocks and scares and special effects, but in terms of good writing and good performances.”

The latter, he feels, is key to the effectiveness of a horror film. “If you don’t have nuanced, believable characters you can actually care about, why would you give a **** what happens to them?"

Scripting the update is Cooper Layne, who co-wrote The Core and penned several drafts of Wainwright’s unproduced Outer Limits feature. Details of the new Fog’s plot, however, remain shrouded in mystery (Ha! See what we did there? Mystery? It’s like ‘mistery’ but with one letter removed! Mist? Fog? Jeez… tough crowd). “It’s true to the spirit of the original, but it’s pretty different. We’ve got some pretty major surprises,” he adds, “and I don’t think horror fans are going to be disappointed.”

We’ll find out soon enough. As of yesterday, The Fog has a UK release date of January 6, 2006.

http://www.empireonline.co.uk/site/images/image_index/8706.jpg


It's funny how many similarities there are with Singerman too. Many people out there might think of it as being a remake. In fact, a lot have. I know I've personally spoken to folks who questioned why remake it at all. So, whether it's a remake or not, some people see it that way. Now the producers of TF aren't making any bones (pun intended) about that, but they have pointed out they're changing some of the backstory and relative ages of the characters. Hee! Sound familiar?

Obviously, there's a WORLD of difference between the two properties. Budget and genre being two of the biggest, but some comments like, "We're being really hard on ourselves, so the end product will provide exactly what the audience wants, not just in terms of shocks and scares and special effects, but in terms of good writing and good performances" is the same kind of rah rah we've been hearing of late with Singerman. I guess it's just a matter of convincing the fans now (a tall order depending upon how iconic the original films were.) I'm thinking Wainwright's buildings will be a little shorter to leap over than Singer's, but Wainwright has less to lose in the end, so it's all relative, I suppose.

[triplet]

It's funny how many similarities there are with Singerman too. Many people out there might think of it as being a remake. In fact, a lot have. I know I've personally spoken to folks who questioned why remake it at all. So, whether it's a remake or not, some people see it that way. Now the producers of TF aren't making any bones (pun intended) about that, but they have pointed out they're changing some of the backstory and relative ages of the characters. Hee! Sound familiar?

Don't think I didn't notice that, it made me smile.


Obviously, there's a WORLD of difference between the two properties. Budget and genre being two of the biggest, but some comments like, "We're being really hard on ourselves, so the end product will provide exactly what the audience wants, not just in terms of shocks and scares and special effects, but in terms of good writing and good performances" is the same kind of rah rah we've been hearing of late with Singerman. I guess it's just a matter of convincing the fans now (a tall order depending upon how iconic the original films were.) I'm thinking Wainwright's buildings will be a little shorter to leap over than Singer's, but Wainwright has less to lose in the end, so it's all relative, I suppose.

I found it very endearing that Wainwright talked at several points about how important strong performances are for making a horror film more effective. If you don't care about the characters then why would anyone give a **** about what happens to them?

I think that speaks volumes about why he hired Tom. He hired him for his ability as an actor and his ability to make his characters believable, he has confidence in what Tom can deliver to the show as an actor, and I betcha Tom's good looks are just icing.

:up:

If Tom can deliver, which I have no doubt he will (although certain trolls here will not agree), his feature career will be set well on its way...

This article made me even more excited about this film. Yes, the original is iconic and horror fanboys all over are having a hissy about it, but what they could accomplish back then as opposed to what they can do now will make for a much better film.

[AgentPat]

...If you don't care about the characters then why would anyone give a **** about what happens to them?This REALLY is what it's all about. Welling has this wonderful innate ability to endear his characters to the audience. Even on JA, who'd you feel sorry for? Amy (the star) or Rob? ;)

This article made me even more excited about this film.Me too. :up: :)

Yes, the original is iconic and horror fanboys all over are having a hissy about it,Well, not everywhere. There's not THAT much opposition to it, from what I've seen. Most folks seem to be looking forward to it. Again, the "similarities" abound. *snicker*

but what they could accomplish back then as opposed to what they can do now will make for a much better film.[Points to last statement.] LOL ;)

[JcDc]

Triplet, this is such a ridiculous thing to throw away a friendship over. Our talks away from smallville/superman have been very meaningful to me. Your opinion on everything has always been important. But I just can't believe over what happens in this forum that about Routh, Welling, Smallville, Singer, etc... Especially since I was very careful to make sure you didn't feel I was saying anything personal towards you during these discussion. You are willing to say all the things we've discussed away from the forum have been meaningless and just ignore me based on what Agent Spat thinks. If that is the case I don't need a friend like that. I'm friends with people who can disagree but at the same time always have my back like I will have theirs, as I've had yours.

[triplet]

This REALLY is what it's all about. Welling has this wonderful innate ability to endear his characters to the audience. Even on JA, who'd you feel sorry for? Amy (the star) or Rob? ;)

Yep, I loved Tom on JA... He was so NOT Clark in that. Very sexy and very adult.


Me too. :up: :)

Yep. :D :up:


Well, not everywhere. There's not THAT much opposition to it, from what I've seen. Most folks seem to be looking forward to it. Again, the "similarities" abound. *snicker*

[Points to last statement.] LOL ;)

Yeah, but I think there is a certain segment that isn't looking forward to it, since it is such an iconic film for certain horror fans, but I love what Wainwright has said about it.

The teen slasher bits in the original were horribly done. The budget wasn't very big and the FX were laughable because of that...

Those parts of the film simply don't stand the test of time, but the creepy fog bits are wonderfully creepy still and if he emphasizes that part (which it sounds like he will), then I think the film will definitely improve upon the original.

I don't like teen slasher films, maybe you have to be a teen to lilke those. I can remember seeing Halloween and Nightmare on Elm Street and those kinds of films when I was a teen and I loving them. They hold very little appeal for me now, so thumbsup! :up:

IN WAINWRIGHT WE TRUST!

LOL!

[JcDc]

And with that ignoring of the matter, the silence has spoken louder than words...

http://scheying.de/media/kenobi.jpg

Move along, go about your business folks...

[triplet]

OK, so I peaked...

Triplet, this is such a ridiculous thing to throw away a friendship over. Our talks away from smallville/superman have been very meaningful to me. Your opinion on everything has always been important. But I just can't believe over what happens in this forum that about Routh, Welling, Smallville, Singer, etc... Especially since I was very careful to make sure you didn't feel I was saying anything personal towards you during these discussion. You are willing to say all the things we've discussed away from the forum have been meaningless and just ignore me based on what Agent Spat thinks. If that is the case I don't need a friend like that. I'm friends with people who can disagree but at the same time always have my back like I will have theirs, as I've had yours.

Part of me is sorry I peaked and part of me is not...

Look, when you go all over the movie forum and bash Welling fans you might as well be bashing me.

And that's what it feels like so I'm not sure how careful you were being. You've said some pretty awful things the last couple of days about Welling and Smallville (and Welling's fans, which includes me) and I put you on ignore because of that.

Before that I had tried to get you to back off, nicely I thought too, and you just weren't listening.

Hell, you still aren't.

It isn't about Welling anymore! Your bashing Welling fans all over the forums is encouraging the trolls and I don't understand why you can't see what you've wrought.

It's hard enough to be Welling fan on this forum without you and Para making it worse.

At one point I had even stopped coming here for about two weeks because the bashing was getting so bad. And that was after Routh was tapped for the job.

You have your damn superman, take the talk about him to the movie forum where it belongs.

And I bet the movie forum people would greatly appreciate any Welling bashing you have to do is not done there. He has nothing to do with the film and Routh has nothing to do with Smallville.

And if you have something to say to me, you can say it to me directly. Ignore or not. You've got my email addy and even my phucking phone number.

[muscles]

Triplet is laying the smack down

[triplet]

Triplet is laying the smack down

Prolly shoulda emailed him about this stuff before I ranted, I'm not exactly a perfect friend I guess, but I've been having a bad week and was in totally a passive aggressive mode.

[muscles]

I think your cool

[triplet]

I think your cool

Thanks, muscles. :D :up:

You're pretty cool too, even if a little excitable... ;)

[AgentPat]

Yep, I loved Tom on JA... He was so NOT Clark in that. Very sexy and very adult.I thought about this some more over lunch, and I think his ability to convey pathos is very much tied into his features. Remember this cap?

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/run2.jpg

It's not really the expression as much as it is an emotion conveyed through his look. What's he thinking? What's he feeling? There's a kind of sadness to the character (in that shot) which is palpable, and it helps to pull the audience in on a very emotional level. Well, I see it that way. Other viewer's mileage may vary.

So, beyond casting for young and sexy, I think Wainwright may have also been seeking actors whose faces had a natural look of empathy that would contribute to the catharsis enjoyed by fans of horror films. If true, he certainly hit the goldmine with Welling.

[muscles]

Well it was exciting to be on every internet site lol, oh yeah I guess Mr Hype himself deleted my thread about welling, cause I dont even see it anymore.

[triplet]

Well it was exciting to be on every internet site lol,

Yeah, I bet! LOL!

oh yeah I guess Mr Hype himself deleted my thread about welling, cause I dont even see it anymore.

Prolly a good thing, dontcha think? Way too much Wellingite bashing going on 'round here lately, even though being a Wellingite doesn't mean what it used to.

:sigh:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/redface.gif (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=161#)

[triplet]

I thought about this some more over lunch, and I think his ability to convey pathos is very much tied into his features. Remember this cap?

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/run2.jpg

It's not really the expression as much as it is an emotion conveyed through his look. What's he thinking? What's he feeling? There's a kind of sadness to the character (in that shot) which is palpable, and it helps to pull the audience in on a very emotional level. Well, I see it that way. Other viewer's mileage may vary.

So, beyond casting for young and sexy, I think Wainwright may have also been seeking actors whose faces had a natural look of empathy that would contribute to the catharsis enjoyed by fans of horror films. If true, he certainly hit the goldmine with Welling.

Yes, he did.

In film school I took a class on Film history (best class I've ever taken, btw - what could be more fun than watching a movie every day in class and then talk about it?) Anyway, we talked about pathos a lot.

For that class it was in terms of Charlie Chaplin and other comedy stars of the silents and later. For CC, we talked about why he was so successful as the "little tramp" and yet in his later work where he had moved away from that iconography, he wasn't as succesful...

In his later works he simply didn't convey the same pathos that created an emotional connection with the audience.

The reason why pathos can be conveyed so much better by one actor and not so much by another is hard to quantify, but when an actor has that ability it is like Gold. You're right.

Because its the ability to identify with a character that makes watching that character's journey so much more engaging and meaningful for the audience.

Tom has that ability in spades, which is why Smallville is what it is. If you can't identify with Clark why would you even bother to watch?

[muscles]

Yea I do hate it when it seems like your "forced" or "bashed" to love singer, routh, and the story, well once I see this movie if I think it sucks, well guess what I will say it. If I think Routh couldnt act his way out of a dirty rectum then guess what I will say it. I hate that we all have to treat Singer like he is a god among men.

[AgentPat]

Well it was exciting to be on every internet site lol, oh yeah I guess Mr Hype himself deleted my thread about welling, cause I don’t even see it anymore.Argh! It IS gone, isn't it? How annoying! There was a LOT of really good discussion in that thread too, and one post from JackMercy that had I known would be deleted, I would have copied to a text file. That re-heeeeely sux, Muscles!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[triplet]

Yea I do hate it when it seems like your "forced" or "bashed" to love singer, routh, and the story, well once I see this movie if I think it sucks, well guess what I will say it. If I think Routh couldnt act his way out of a dirty rectum then guess what I will say it. I hate that we all have to treat Singer like he is a god among men.

Well, this shouldn't be in the Welling thread but I think you're finally getting why I've turned sour on the whole thing...

If I can't love Smallville and Tom Welling and still be considered a "real" superman fan, then maybe I don't want to belong to that club anyway. And I've been a superman fan for longer than some of these fanboys have been alive. (Prolly more than 25 years...)

That's why Jc's behavior over the last few days made me so mad. He's just encouraging that very brand of thinking over on the film forum.

I've seen more Welling fan bashing over there the last couple of days then I have in the last couple of months, and it's ugly personal stuff they're posting. How deluded we are, how stupid we are...

:sigh:

Too much negativity in the world already....

[Thunder Emperor]

Yea I do hate it when it seems like your "forced" or "bashed" to love singer, routh, and the story, well once I see this movie if I think it sucks, well guess what I will say it. If I think Routh couldnt act his way out of a dirty rectum then guess what I will say it. I hate that we all have to treat Singer like he is a god among men.


excatly and you don't have to. that is why i hate going to the superman boards,

[AgentPat]

Prolly a good thing, dontcha think? Way too much Wellingite bashing going on 'round here lately, even though being a Wellingite doesn't mean what it used to.It angers me to no end. If they didn't want the bashing to continue, they should have just closed the thread - like they do with every other thread where things get out of control. That thread wasn't spam, and unlike other threads that are still here, it wasn't meant to bash or antagonize (even if there was some negative posts posted in it.) If they want to stop the bashing, they need to warn and/or BAN the users responsible for creating the problems. And for Pete's sake, make it stick this time. Please?

[triplet]

It angers me to no end. If they didn't want the bashing to continue, they should have just closed the thread - like they do with every other thread where things get out of control. That thread wasn't spam, and unlike other threads that are still here, it wasn't meant to bash or antagonize (even if there was some negative posts posted in it.) If they want to stop the bashing, they need to warn and/or BAN the users responsible for creating the problems. And for Pete's sake, make it stick this time. Please?

Yep, couldn't agree with you more.

[AgentPat]

I've seen more Welling fan bashing over there the last couple of days then I have in the last couple of months, and it's ugly personal stuff they're posting. How deluded we are, how stupid we are...

:sigh:

Too much negativity in the world already....*sigh* is right. I'm sticking to this forum (and DTS TW forums) from NOW ON! I haven't been out of those places for the last two days, and seeing what you just wrote, it's probably a good thing. I don't need to defend my reasoning for liking a certain thing. Fans are such because they simply just enjoy whatever it is that they're a fan of. But that doesn't mean we worship *everything* about the product, topic or person - nor should we.

[JcDc]

Well, this shouldn't be in the Welling thread but I think you're finally getting why I've turned sour on the whole thing...

If I can't love Smallville and Tom Welling and still be considered a "real" superman fan, then maybe I don't want to belong to that club anyway. And I've been a superman fan for longer than some of these fanboys have been alive. (Prolly more than 25 years...)

That's why Jc's behavior over the last few days made me so mad. He's just encouraging that very brand of thinking over on the film forum.

I've seen more Welling fan bashing over there the last couple of days then I have in the last couple of months, and it's ugly personal stuff they're posting. How deluded we are, how stupid we are...

:sigh:

Too much negativity in the world already....

Triplet, the only thinking I'm encouraging is to give a chance to Singer and Routh. I've been feeling that lately there has been a lot of negative propaganda going on so I've probably crossed the line at some point. I will back off and let things calm down over here for you, and only for you out of respect. If you feel I'm starting crap, send me a PM and give me a chance to stop being an ass, or at least stop me from further alienating people. It's not my intent to run people out of here and I hope you as well as everyone else believes me. I tend to enjoy debating opposing view points and I seem to have a problem telling when I've alienated others in the process :-/ It's not until I've seen a big bang effect that I'm like "Holy sh** I think I've done some wrongs in this situation to make things worse"

[JcDc]

One more thing I would like people to understand is that I've been following this thing since the Burton Nick Cage days. After Ratner not giving me much confidence, then McG giving me less confidence... When Singer was announced I was ready to back his decisions since I'm familiar with his filmwork and know what a Superman fan he's always been. I guess my need for a new movie in this era, and a more epic superhero film at that seemed filled when Singer got the gig. FINALLY a reason to hope for a good Supes movie. I suppose following the history of this film project so closely has made me extra defensive to those that want to act as Debbie Downer :o

[AgentPat]

The reason why pathos can be conveyed so much better by one actor and not so much by another is hard to quantify, but when an actor has that ability it is like Gold. You're right.

Because its the ability to identify with a character that makes watching that character's journey so much more engaging and meaningful for the audience.

Tom has that ability in spades, which is why Smallville is what it is. If you can't identify with Clark why would you even bother to watch?I've seen a lot of speculation about SV's success, and what it is about the show that seems to reach people. I guess everybody has their favorite "thing" (some people watch it just for Lana LOL). But every time I see an interview with one of the producers, writers, or supporting cast, they all praise Tom and often site his growth as an actor and appeal to work with. As a fan of both the show and its star, that's really cool - and super - to see! :D

[triplet]

Triplet, the only thinking I'm encouraging is to give a chance to Singer and Routh. I've been feeling that lately there has been a lot of negative propaganda going on so I've probably crossed the line at some point. I will back off and let things calm down over here for you, and only for you out of respect.

Thanks, I appreciate that but the point is that you're still not getting is that why does it matter that we're negative on the film?

I'm waiting to see what happens before I finally make up my mind and a lot of other people feel the same way...

Why not give us space and let time heal the pretty nasty wounds that have sprung up?

I agree with Pat, I don't think I'll be going back over the film forum ever again.

It's been too nasty over there for too long and it's clear any Welling fan can't also be a Superman fan to most of them, so why bother even trying to have a discussion about it? Invariably anything I say that is even remotely negative about the film is viewed in terms of who's in my avatar and not what I've actually said.

"Because you want Welling you <fill in the blank>!"

Hell, I was relieved when Routh got it. Finally, I thought "The casting wars will finally be at an end!" How naive I was being...

I'm not sure the exact reasons for this split between the two camps, only a few people can honestly say that they wholeheartedly like both franchises I think, but it's been six months already.

Why keep it up?

Why bother trying to persuade people who are tired of being told the objects of their affection makes them unworthy to be TRUE Superman fans?

Whatever the hell that means...


If you feel I'm starting crap, send me a PM and give me a chance to stop being an ass, or at least stop me from further alienating people. It's not my intent to run people out of here and I hope you as well as everyone else believes me.

I believe you and next time I won't be so passive aggressive about it.
I tend to enjoy debating opposing view points and I seem to have a problem telling when I've alienated others in the process :-/ It's not until I've seen a big bang effect that I'm like "Holy sh** I think I've done some wrongs in this situation to make things worse"

I think TW4Supes and The Hulk both made good points: You haven't seemed to want to debate.

What's worse is that you've gone a jag over the last few days and have bashed Welling fans, not just Welling's suitability for the role.

That is crossing the line and, unfortunately, has encouraged others to to do the same.

I love coming here more than any other Smallville forum because here we can usually have discussions on the merits of Tom and Smallville and various other related topics without the shipper influence seen on other sites. I don't really care about the ships as long as TPTB keep telling engaging stories on Superman's teen years...

Here the conversation is tons more adult and usually is a lot of fun, but lately not so much. You have to admit that you contributed to that, whether you meant to or not.

I've had a lousy week at work and let that affect my demeanor here, for that I'm sorry if I've pissed people off.

I'll try to be better about that later...

[JcDc]

Thanks, I appreciate that but the point is that you're still not getting is that why does it matter that we're negative on the film?

I'm waiting to see what happens before I finally make up my mind and a lot of other people feel the same way...

Why not give us space and let time heal the pretty nasty wounds that have sprung up?

I agree with Pat, I don't think I'll be going back over the film forum ever again.

It's been too nasty over there for too long and it's clear any Welling fan can't also be a Superman fan to most of them, so why bother even trying to have a discussion about it? Invariably anything I say that is even remotely negative about the film is viewed in terms of who's in my avatar and not what I've actually said.

"Because you want Welling you <fill in the blank>!"

Hell, I was relieved when Routh got it. Finally, I thought "The casting wars will finally be at an end!" How naive I was being...

I'm not sure the exact reasons for this split between the two camps, only a few people can honestly say that they wholeheartedly like both franchises I think, but it's been six months already.

Why keep it up?

Why bother trying to persuade people who are tired of being told the objects of their affection makes them unworthy to be TRUE Superman fans?

Whatever the hell that means...




I believe you and next time I won't be so passive aggressive about it.


I think TW4Supes and The Hulk both made good points: You haven't seemed to want to debate.

What's worse is that you've gone a jag over the last few days and have bashed Welling fans, not just Welling's suitability for the role.

That is crossing the line and, unfortunately, has encouraged others to to do the same.

I love coming here more than any other Smallville forum because here we can usually have discussions on the merits of Tom and Smallville and various other related topics without the shipper influence seen on other sites. I don't really care about the ships as long as TPTB keep telling engaging stories on Superman's teen years...

Here the conversation is tons more adult and usually is a lot of fun, but lately not so much. You have to admit that you contributed to that, whether you meant to or not.

I've had a lousy week at work and let that affect my demeanor here, for that I'm sorry if I've pissed people off.

I'll try to be better about that later...


Nah your fine, and I don't want you to feel you are coming into a train wreck everytime you see I've made a post. Things should calm down, I'm leaving for England on Friday so you all won't have to put up with me for a good 9-10 days ;)

[AgentPat]

...Invariably anything I say that is even remotely negative about the film is viewed in terms of who's in my avatar and not what I've actually said.I too have seen this behavior.

"Because you want Welling you <fill in the blank>!""...are not worthy of posting here." That's how I've felt at times.

Why bother trying to persuade people who are tired of being told the objects of their affection makes them unworthy to be TRUE Superman fans?Frustrating, init?

I love coming here more than any other Smallville forum because here we can usually have discussions on the merits of Tom and Smallville and various other related topics without the shipper influence seen on other sites.:up: I could care less who is paired with who. When it comes to Clark, he can date whomever his little heart desires. It's ALL good!! :D

I don't really care about the ships as long as TPTB keep telling engaging stories on Superman's teen years...Bravo!!!

Here the conversation is tons more adult and usually is a lot of fun, but lately not so much.All I ever wanted was a place that I could get together with like-opined people. We don't have to agree on everything, and in point of fact, we don't. There's nothing wrong with counter point and expressing contrary opinions - it's fun. But not ALL THE TIME. People on-line *usually* congregate in places where their "fanships" are more uniform, and THAT is why I come here specifically.

[triplet]

Nah your fine, and I don't want you to feel you are coming into a train wreck everytime you see I've made a post. Things should calm down, I'm leaving for England on Friday so you all won't have to put up with me for a good 9-10 days ;)

Oh, okay.

Have a good time...

[muscles]

Anyway to get the old thread back pat? Or should we make another one titled 1 Final Chance For Welling?

[AgentPat]

Anyway to get the old thread back pat? Or should we make another one titled 1 Final Chance For Welling?They deleted it for a reason - even if we don't agree with the reason. Don't recreate it, Muscles. That's just asking for trouble, IMHO.

Moving on....

Okay, who here thinks SV is Ms. Sandillo's (see below) first foray into Superman mythos? She wrote a really nice article, but it's almost like she has no clue what the outcome is going to be. Kind of funny...

WB's 'Smallville' still 'super' viewing
Tuesday, March 01, 2005

By ARIANA SANDILLO

West Springfield Middle watch a lot of television. Some shows I get into, but some shows I find no interest in. Recently I've been watching a show called Smallville (WB, Wednesday, 8 p.m.) and I've grown to love it!

Smallville is based on a modern-day version of Superman. A teenager named Clark Kent (Tom Welling) has super powers that no man can posses. Clark is from a planet called Krypton and was transported here on the day of the major meteor shower in Smallville that left the unsuspecting citizens in shock. With his powers Clark learns that he can help people, that becomes his destiny.

Clark is an adopted child. A couple named Jonathan (John Schneider) and Martha (Annette O'Toole) Kent found him and were so happy because they were unable to have kids of their own. Although Clark's biological father, Jor-el, sent him to Earth to rule, the Kents raised Clark to be a good, caring young adult.

All throughout Clark's journey he is accompanied by friends and family. His friends Lana Lang (Kristen Kreuk), Chloe Sullivan (Allison Mack) and Pete Ross, (Sam Jones the 3rd) help him along the way. After an accident involving a Porsche and Clark, Clark and Lex Luthor (Michael Rosenbaum) become best friends. When Lex's father Lionel Luthor (John Glover) tries to solve the mystery of Clark Kent, Lex and Clark become even closer friends when they try to bring down Lionel.

Clark has an enduring love for Lana, and has to deal with high school and peer pressure to know exactly where he stands in this world.

In my opinion Smallville is a five star show. It's fun, exciting and will leave you wanting to know what's next!


http://www.masslive.com/living/republican/index.ssf?/base/living-0/110966681748391.xml

[Gmanofsteel]

smallvile IS a five star show :) :up:

[triplet]

Okay, who here thinks SV is Ms. Sandillo's (see below) first foray into Superman mythos? She wrote a really nice article, but it's almost like she has no clue what the outcome is going to be. Kind of funny...

That's frickin' hilarious... :D :up:

Glad she's a fan, but she needs to do some brushing up.

Kinda blows Singer's idea right out of the water that EVERYONE knows the basic history of Superman, don't it?
;)

[AgentPat]

Kinda blows Singer's idea right out of the water that EVERYONE knows the basic history of Superman, don't it?
;)It does!

My first introduction to Supes was with the George Reeves' TV show. As a kid, it never really "clicked" with me (despite the opening monologue over the credits) that he was an ALIEN. Yeah, I'm weird - and wasn't too swift as a kid, I guess LOL. I noticed the weird stuff though, like Reeves' "Clark" had more than one Superman costume that he kept on hangers in his closet. Hee!

When the Donner pic came out, a whole new world was revealed. I had no clue who Lex Luthor was, didn't know that Superman was basically immortal, and I chuckled at how goofy Clark was (compared to G. Reeves' version.)

I'll skip over Superboy and L&C for brevity LOL.

After watching SV for four years (not to mention reading the comics - which help a GREAT DEAL, I'll admit), I've got a whole new appreciation for this alien who "came to Earth with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men." I almost envy the newbies who are just *now* discovering and enjoying the myth through SV. That's pretty dern cool, if ya think about it. :)

[triplet]

It does!

My first introduction to Supes was with the George Reeves' TV show. As a kid, it never really "clicked" with me (despite the opening monologue over the credits) that he was an ALIEN. Yeah, I'm weird - and wasn't too swift as a kid, I guess LOL. I noticed the weird stuff though, like Reeves' "Clark" had more than one Superman costume that he kept on hangers in his closet. Hee!

When the Donner pic came out, a whole new world was revealed. I had no clue who Lex Luthor was, didn't know that Superman was basically immortal, and I chuckled at how goofy Clark was (compared to G. Reeves' version.)

I'll skip over Superboy and L&C for brevity LOL.

After watching SV for four years (not to mention reading the comics - which help a GREAT DEAL, I'll admit), I've got a whole new appreciation for this alien who "came to Earth with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men." I almost envy the newbies who are just *now* discovering and enjoying the myth through SV. That's pretty dern cool, if ya think about it. :)

Yeah, it is.

I think I first got exposure to Superman from the reruns of the George Reeves' show but didn't fall in love with the mythos until Donner's film.

Read a lot of comics back then, but Smallville revived that for me. Made the mythos more dynamic (it is kinda stodgey, dontcha think?) and more meaningful. As cool as I thought Superman was before, I don't think I understood him like I do now.

And that's thanks to Smallville rebooting the origin and Tom Welling creating a highly sympathetic character....

It's why I love the show and Tom so much.

[JcDc]

http://www.earthshineglassworks.com/images/Peace%20and%20Love.jpg

[Lara]

Yeah, it is.

I think I first got exposure to Superman from the reruns of the George Reeves' show but didn't fall in love with the mythos until Donner's film.

Read a lot of comics back then, but Smallville revived that for me. Made the mythos more dynamic (it is kinda stodgey, dontcha think?) and more meaningful. As cool as I thought Superman was before, I don't think I understood him like I do now.

And that's thanks to Smallville rebooting the origin and Tom Welling creating a highly sympathetic character....

It's why I love the show and Tom so much.Smallville did it for me I have to admit I like characters like Wolverine and Batman a little darker and more complex. Smallville made the character relatable to me. I don't hold the Donner movies in high esteem they were fine but that's why I'm not as excited about the movie BB and X-3 however even Fantastic Four. Spiderman I think has been done well but he's way too jokey and silly at times. Overall in the TV/Film media I have preferred Smallville to all other incarnations of the genre.

[triplet]

Smallville did it for me I have to admit I like characters like Wolverine and Batman a little darker and more complex. Smallville made the character relatable to me. I don't hold the Donner movies in high esteem they were fine but that's why I'm not as excited about the movie BB and X-3 however even Fantastic Four. Spiderman I think has been done well but he's way too jokey and silly at times. Overall in the TV/Film media I have preferred Smallville to all other incarnations of the genre.

I really liked the X Men and Spidey films, but as far as supes goes I think Smallville is doing it best. I'm not sure I agree it's the best adaptation of a comic ever, flims and tv are so different it's hard for me to compare them on a one to one basis, but I do believe it's the best TV version of any comic.

Far better than Lois & Clark or STAS or The Batman.

[JcDc]

I really liked the X Men and Spidey films, but as far as supes goes I think Smallville is doing it best. I'm not sure I agree it's the best adaptation of a comic ever, flims and tv are so different it's hard for me to compare them on a one to one basis, but I do believe it's the best TV version of any comic.

Far better than Lois & Clark or STAS or The Batman.


It's not far better than Lois and Clark's first 2 seasons though. Welling and Durance are both playing the characters the SAME way they were played by Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher imo :o Of course season 3 and mostly 4 took a HORRIBLE turn :( Smallville has not had continuity at all, but it's not jumped the shark (in spite of Krypto, ughhh) yet imo and it's in much better shape than L&C was at it's 4th year. Maybe that's due to spacing out the episodes and the season in general instead of speeding through the creative process. It means more ideas spaced over time but apparently is causing the lack of continuity. A trade off I suppose. But I'll take good episodes that don't fit together every week than a bad saga of episodes that are sh**.

[Thunder Emperor]

i disagree with you on season 4 though. I ha e alot of friend who stopped watching the show during season 3 but have all felt that season 4 had lifted the show back to its original track,mind you most of these people don't read comic books.

[triplet]

i disagree with you on season 4 though. I ha e alot of friend who stopped watching the show during season 3 but have all felt that season 4 had lifted the show back to its original track,mind you most of these people don't read comic books.

I think season four is Better than three. I reaheeaallly hated that Adam storyline with the blood platelet thingy...

That was stupid.

The Witch storyline is brilliant in comparison.

[JcDc]

No no no... I meant on L&C it took a horrible turn where as on Smallville it's kept it's steam with good episodes even though there is a lack of continuity. Dig?

[JcDc]

I think season four is Better than three. I reaheeaallly hated that Adam storyline with the blood platelet thingy...

That was stupid.

The Witch storyline is brilliant in comparison.


I enjoyed the Adam story line because from the start I predicted where it would go and argued with those that tried to convince me it was Bruce Wayne. :D

[triplet]

No no no... I meant on L&C it took a horrible turn where as on Smallville it's kept it's steam with good episodes even though there is a lack of continuity. Dig?


Oh, Gotcha.

[JcDc]

BAH it still aggravates me that L&C was so damn good the first season and most of 2 :mad: WHY DID IT HAVE TO TAKE THE TURN??????? I think this happened because of the fans bugging them for Lois and Clark to get hitched. It just turned Lois into a regular nag and Clark into the regular nice guy who puts up with it. Totally messed up the dynamic they had which Smallville is now using between Welling and Durance.

[Thunder Emperor]

No no no... I meant on L&C it took a horrible turn where as on Smallville it's kept it's steam with good episodes even though there is a lack of continuity. Dig?


yeha i dig, the adam story line was crap too :p

[triplet]

yeha i dig, the adam story line was crap too :p

I wasn't 'round here then, did people complain about that last year like they are with the Witchy storyline?

I've asked that before and I don't ever remember getting a response....

[JcDc]

I wasn't 'round here then, did people complain about that last year like they are with the Witchy storyline?

I've asked that before and I don't ever remember getting a response....

They complained when they found out he wasn't Bruce Wayne. Up until that point people were happy with the storyline then they turned on it.

[Thunder Emperor]

like jcdc said they all thought he was bruce and all. i didn't post that much then to follow the story line on th boards, but most people thopught he was bruce.

[JcDc]

like jcdc said they all thought he was bruce and all. i didn't post that much then to follow the story line on th boards, but most people thopught he was bruce.

Yet I was the first one to predict story line and it turned out I was EXACTLY right :cool:

[JcDc]

http://www.uga.edu/columns/010129/fr-horn.gif


:D ha ha

[triplet]

They complained when they found out he wasn't Bruce Wayne. Up until that point people were happy with the storyline then they turned on it.

I was all for Adam also, until they introduced the fact that the blood platelet subplot was involved, ... that **** was just weird.

I didn't realize he was supposed to be Bruce Wayne (or potentially could have been) until much later.

I turned on the plot line too.

[Puckenstein]

Smallville is shoooo shweet!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/puck420/horrible5.jpg

[The Incredible Hulk]

ahh Chloe, lovely as always :D

[AgentPat]

Okay, whose got the link to Singer and the \S/ tat on that dude's butt? Now THAT was shweet! :D ;)

[AgentPat]

Oh, and before I'm flamed, I actually *liked* that photo, as sick as it sounds LOL. No, really, I did. :)

[triplet]

Oh, and before I'm flamed, I actually *liked* that photo, as sick as it sounds LOL. No, really, I did. :)

I thought it was funny... It's probably somewhere over on that other forum. *ahem* *cough*

[AgentPat]

I thought it was funny... It's probably somewhere over on that other forum. *ahem* *cough*No doubt. That's where I first saw it, but I aint gonna go looking for it. I *may* have saved it at home, but I doubt it. I'll check later. It was one of those silly pics that you just have to like, even though it's hard to admit to it. LOL

[Lara]

No doubt. That's where I first saw it, but I aint gonna go looking for it. I *may* have saved it at home, but I doubt it. I'll check later. It was one of those silly pics that you just have to like, even though it's hard to admit to it. LOL
I don't know what your talking about but I'm curious can you post it?

[Lara]

Smallville is shoooo shweet!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/puck420/horrible5.jpg :o Wow that pic sucks but who doesn't have a pic that sucks. Here's what I don't get she's not SUPPOSED to be beautiful so why do people feel the need to tear her down for being kinda cute/kinda average? It's not like she's reffered to being beatiful like Lana is :confused:

[AgentPat]

I don't know what your talking about but I'm curious can you post it?I wish I had saved it, but alas, I didn't. Piecing together the details, apparently Dan Harris (one of the script writers on the film), had (or has?) a personal website on which he had posted a photo of him, Singer, and a few other people. Singer is in the pic crouched down with a grin and pointing at a tattoo (up close and personal) that a guy had on his bum! The guy's pants were pulled down, and the tattoo was clearly visible: a big Superman logo. Harris was in the background with a few others. I think they had drinks in their hands. It appeared as if they were at a party and being a little... um, wild. The photo is priceless. If anybody saved it, please post it. I laugh every time I see it, which is why I'm "bummed" I didn't save it. LOL!!!

[Thunder Emperor]

I wish I had saved it, but alas, I didn't. Piecing together the details, apparently Dan Harris (one of the script writers on the film), had (or has?) a personal website on which he had posted a photo of him, Singer, and a few other people. Singer is in the pic crouched down with a grin and pointing at a tattoo (up close and personal) that a guy had on his bum! The guy's pants were pulled down, and the tattoo was clearly visible: a big Superman logo. Harris was in the background with a few others. I think they had drinks in their hands. It appeared as if they were at a party and being a little... um, wild. The photo is priceless. If anybody saved it, please post it. I laugh every time I see it, which is why I'm "bummed" I didn't save it. LOL!!!


i have seen the pic you refered to someone posted it on the superboards and used it to refer to singer and routh's sexuality.

[darkzombiemutt]

I think that photo came out after some film festival Singer was at in Toronto in the latter part of 2004.

[The Incredible Hulk]

alright, you guys are discussing a photo of guy butt just a LITTLE too much... :D

[Serene]

I wish I had saved it, but alas, I didn't. Piecing together the details, apparently Dan Harris (one of the script writers on the film), had (or has?) a personal website on which he had posted a photo of him, Singer, and a few other people. Singer is in the pic crouched down with a grin and pointing at a tattoo (up close and personal) that a guy had on his bum! The guy's pants were pulled down, and the tattoo was clearly visible: a big Superman logo. Harris was in the background with a few others. I think they had drinks in their hands. It appeared as if they were at a party and being a little... um, wild. The photo is priceless. If anybody saved it, please post it. I laugh every time I see it, which is why I'm "bummed" I didn't save it. LOL!!!


I have the website saved... but I think that particular pic is no longer there.

http://www.fortressofattitude.com/index2.html

[triplet]

I have the website saved... but I think that particular pic is no longer there.

http://www.fortressofattitude.com/index2.html

It's not.

[AgentPat]

I have the website saved... but I think that particular pic is no longer there.

http://www.fortressofattitude.com/index2.htmlYeah, that's the site. No biggie though. If I re-heeeely wanted to find that pic, I'm sure I could. It's been posted a few times here and other places. It's "around." ;)

[triplet]

One of the producers of The Fog died today...

Debra Hill.

See the story here:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=493&ncid=790&e=1&u=/ap/20050307/ap_en_mo/obit_debra_hill

She was truly a pioneer for women in the film industry. :(

I'm sure she'll be missed.

[AgentPat]

One of the producers of The Fog died today...

Debra Hill.

See the story here:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=493&ncid=790&e=1&u=/ap/20050307/ap_en_mo/obit_debra_hill

She was truly a pioneer for women in the film industry. :(

I'm sure she'll be missed.Oh, MAN! That really, REALLY sux!!!!!!!! Major bummer. I wonder if that will affect production on the film (beyond the obvious?)

[Serene]

One of the producers of The Fog died today...

Debra Hill.

See the story here:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=493&ncid=790&e=1&u=/ap/20050307/ap_en_mo/obit_debra_hill

She was truly a pioneer for women in the film industry. :(

I'm sure she'll be missed.

How sad.. she was so young. I didn't realize that she produced "The Dead Zone." I love that movie.

One of my daughter's dance instructors died yesterday as well. :(

[triplet]

Oh, MAN! That really, REALLY sux!!!!!!!! Major bummer. I wonder if that will affect production on the film (beyond the obvious?)

Well, she's a producer and they must have known that she was ailing... she wasn't a primary as far as the production is concerned, so I wouldn't think it would have much impact, but man it really sux.

[Serene]

Since we're talking about posting snippets... :D

From a new interview with KK where she is asked about first meeting and working with Tom.DTS (www.devotedtosmallville.com) .

"Ask her about her first day on the set meeting Superman hunk Tom Welling, and Kristin begins to gush. "I remember I was really shy and toungue-tied. He's quite stunning in person and was so cool with his stubble and ripped jeans; he looked like a model. Our chemistry was great, and that made me really excited to play this character." While this may sound like a crush, Kristin insists that all the people on the show are good buddies. "No crushes," she says, laughing. "That's the great thing about our show - there are no weird, behind-the-scenes love triangle. Everyone gets along; we totally make fun of each other." She pauses. "Tom's married!" she adds, as if trying to convince whoever is listening. "Happily married!"

Yeah.. I just BET she was excited to work with him.. Can you say...DREAM JOB? :)

[triplet]

Since we're talking about posting snippets... :D

From a new interview with KK where she is asked about first meeting and working with Tom.DTS (http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/) .



Yeah.. I just BET she was excited to work with him.. Can you say...DREAM JOB? :)

Yeah, I bet.

I wonder if stunning really describes what he looks like in person?

[Lara]

Yeah, I bet.

I wonder if stunning really describes what he looks like in person?
I like when Ironside called him "painfully atractive to look at"

[AgentPat]

I wonder if stunning really describes what he looks like in person?Stunning is a good word. So is handsome, striking, adorable, inspiring, charming, mesmerizing, beefy, salacious, irresistible, hot, sexy and built.

If in doubt, "gorgeous" will do though. LOL

Seriously though, he's gotta stand out. Understatement? His height alone is going to get him noticed. He doesn't have an "average" body shape, and his eclectic potpourri of facial features has an appeal that crosses all sorts of gender, racial and ethnic lines.

Did you guys see that VH1 countdown a few nights ago? Some of those folks interviewed hit it on the head when they described what it was about Tom that they found so appealing. Was pretty interesting. :D

[triplet]

Stunning is a good word. So is handsome, striking, adorable, inspiring, charming, mesmerizing, beefy, salacious, irresistible, hot, sexy and built.

If in doubt, "gorgeous" will do though. LOL

LOL! True, but what I meant was that I thought that was an understatement... So does stunning really cover his effect on people in person? Prolly not! LOL!


Seriously though, he's gotta stand out. Understatement? His height alone is going to get him noticed. He doesn't have an "average" body shape, and his eclectic potpourri of facial features has an appeal that crosses all sorts of gender, racial and ethnic lines.

Yep... but they work so well together. :D :up:


Did you guys see that VH1 countdown a few nights ago? Some of those folks interviewed hit it on the head when they described what it was about Tom that they found so appealing. Was pretty interesting. :D

Yep, it was.

You have to wonder why some of the people got higher ratings though, he's more cut than just about anyone on that list... I think what someone said on DTS was true: that list was more about popularity than who had the hottest body.

He's way more built than Eminem or Brad Pitt.

:shrug:

I wonder if they do that again he'll get a higher rating after doing The Fog?

[Lara]

Stunning is a good word. So is handsome, striking, adorable, inspiring, charming, mesmerizing, beefy, salacious, irresistible, hot, sexy and built.

If in doubt, "gorgeous" will do though. LOL

Seriously though, he's gotta stand out. Understatement? His height alone is going to get him noticed. He doesn't have an "average" body shape, and his eclectic potpourri of facial features has an appeal that crosses all sorts of gender, racial and ethnic lines.

Did you guys see that VH1 countdown a few nights ago? Some of those folks interviewed hit it on the head when they described what it was about Tom that they found so appealing. Was pretty interesting. :D
I forgot to check DTS and missed it. What did they say?

[AgentPat]

I forgot to check DTS and missed it. What did they say?Here's what was said in its entirety. I transcribed it. :D

Narrator:
When SV cast Tom Welling as Superman in 2001, he knew those were some pretty big tights to fill. But the 6'3 former model has pulled it off just fine.

Carmen Electra:
Tom Welling is fit enough to play Superman. He has sick abs - just ripped.

Tricia Helfer (Battlestar Galactica):
He's got the eyes that just draw you in. He's very handsome.

Narrator:
This boy next door morphed into a man of steel the old fashioned way.

Woman in black (no clue who she is):
Tom Welling went from being a construction worker, to a model, to Superman.

Tricia Helfer:
And then he becomes an actor and gets on this great show.

Woman in black:
And that transition kind of makes sense. He's great looking and he's sporty and strong, and he's the all-American man.

TW:
There's no tights, there's no flying around. There's none of that yet.

Narrator:
For Tom, staying strapping requires lots of time in the great outdoors.

TW:
I try to stay as active as I can, especially on the weekends and just keep moving around. It's the best thing you can do.

Woman in black:
On his down time, he enjoys going outside kayaking, mountain biking, being outdoors as opposed to sitting in a gym. He's much more of a man's man.

Neal Boulton (Men's Fitness Magazine):
He plays basketball, he stays in shape in various ways. You can see it in his body.

Tricia Helfer:
He doesn't need to go spend four hours in the gym when he goes out and plays basketball after work with his buddies, so it's only the best workout there is.

END


The whole piece lasted about 90 seconds. It was quickly edited together using all sorts of clips from various appearances, show clips, publicity photos, award shows, that music video he was in - all sorts of stuff. Was pretty cool. :)

[Serene]

The whole piece lasted about 90 seconds. It was quickly edited together using all sorts of clips from various appearances, show clips, publicity photos, award shows, that music video he was in - all sorts of stuff. Was pretty cool. :)

Thanks for the transcription, Pat. I'm sorry I missed it. :( Hopefully the clip will be available online soon.

[triplet]

Thanks for the transcription, Pat. I'm sorry I missed it. :( Hopefully the clip will be available online soon.

I recorded it on TiVO.. actually, it was cool. I turned to it just before he was up and stopped recording after it was over, so it's a really short recording.

Probably should be able to capture it, but we'll see. I was gonna try it tonight.

[triplet]

Broadband quality capture:


http://s29.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0WZ3F8FFKCZS11PTF1198MNJJD (http://s29.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0WZ3F8FFKCZS11PTF1198MNJJD)

[Lara]

Thanks Agent Pat! I may try to catch a rerun it definitely sounds worth it. Unfortunately with my old computer and dial up I can never watch the online clips.

[Serene]

Broadband quality capture:


http://s29.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0WZ3F8FFKCZS11PTF1198MNJJD (http://s29.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0WZ3F8FFKCZS11PTF1198MNJJD)

Thanks, trip. :)

He was robbed, btw.

[rumpuso]

Thanks for the clip Triplet! I was bummed I missed that segment.

I was surprised at the number of times they used the clips from his music video. He was so young then and his body was not nearly as defined looking in that video as it is in more recent years. I suppose it was still defined, but those clips just didn't show it.

[Serene]

I was surprised at the number of times they used the clips from his music video. He was so young then and his body was not nearly as defined looking in that video as it is in more recent years. I suppose it was still defined, but those clips just didn't show it.

Yeah, but he was so cute. :) I just associated them using it with the fact that it was VH-1.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/Serene23/twdance8gr.gif The image of those swinging hips will help get me through my day today. :D

[AgentPat]

I was surprised at the number of times they used the clips from his music video. He was so young then and his body was not nearly as defined looking in that video as it is in more recent years. I suppose it was still defined, but those clips just didn't show it.It's the nature of the show he was profiled on. This is VH1, after all. Like MTV, their focus is music videos, so it doesn't surprise me. I do think its funny how much they emphasized the Superman aspect though. Look back through the transcript, which is word for word, btw. "Clark Kent" is nowhere to be seen. Heh! http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/smug.gif

[AgentPat]

And the latest CBtD news...

Check out the last sentence. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/hahaha.gif
Oh, the irony. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

"...the genius behind The Jerk and The Man With Two Brains continues to sell himself short by starring in a sequel to Cheaper by the Dozen. He's once again paired with director Adam Shankman, who he previously worked with on Bringing Down The House to great box office success if not critical acclaim.

This time, Martin's twelve-kid family go on holiday, and find themselves in head-to-head competition with a family of eight who are staying nearby. Can sheer numbers win the day? Probably, but only if they learn that it’s silly to compete and we should all just get along first. Or something.

Don't be surprised in this case if some family members appear to be on holiday elsewhere – Hilary Duff, whose own tweenie movie career has taken off recently with two pictures currently in production, may not sign back on. And just think – if Bryan Singer had cast Tom Welling in Superman Returns, he could have saved him from this indignity too..."

http://www.empireonline.co.uk/site/news/newsstory.asp?news_id=16622

[jas01724]

That's assuming Tom will be in CbtD2...

Uh oh, I think I just heard my padded cell calling!

[AgentPat]

That's assuming Tom will be in CbtD2...

Uh oh, I think I just heard my padded cell calling!Lets hope he's "busy" with something else if and when the call comes in. ;)

*************

On another topic, Variety published a VERY informative list of cablettes yesterday. Here's the details for ABC Family:

Subscribers: 88 million
Network topper: Paul Lee
Head of programming: Kate Juergens
Top originals: Snow, Crimes of Fashion, Celeste in the City (movies)
Upcoming originals: Beautiful People (series), Las Vegas Garden of Love (series), Looks of Love (series)
The skinny: ABC Family has long made up for the misfires of 2003 ("Dance Fever," "Perfect Match" and never-aired "Domestic Goddess") with strongly performing acquisitions "Gilmore Girls," "Smallville," "Full House" and "Whose Line Is It Anyway?" Now, under the aegis of Paul Lee, ABC Family is re-embarking into original series that embrace families "in all their diversity and dysfunction." Docusoap "Las Vegas Garden of Love" is up first and follows the day-to-day of a family-run Vegas chapel. Net's first scripted hour, "Beautiful People" -- about a single mom and her two daughters -- will premiere later in the summer.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117919250

Of the entire list, only A&E, CNN, Lifetime, Nick at Nite, Nickelodeon, TLC, and USA equaled ABC Family's 88M total subscribers, and only the Discovery Channel (89M), ESPN (90M), MTV (90M), TBS (89M), TNT (89M) had more. By next year, people might wonder if you've been living under a rock if you've never heard of Smallville. ;)

[triplet]

Thanks, trip. :)

He was robbed, btw.

Yep, he was.

:D

[Lara]

Ok why can't I register at DTS? You can't lurk anymore and no matter how many times I try it won't recognize me. I want to scream!!!!!

[triplet]

Ok why can't I register at DTS? You can't lurk anymore and no matter how many times I try it won't recognize me. I want to scream!!!!!

I'd email the site about your problems... :confused:

I don't post over there much, but I've never had problems with it recognizing me...

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Same thing happaned to me months ago Lara. I couldn't get it to recognize me either. I just gave up.

[AgentPat]

Ok why can't I register at DTS? You can't lurk anymore and no matter how many times I try it won't recognize me. I want to scream!!!!!Sorry to hear you're having problems there, Lara. Try deleting your cookies and give it another whirl. Sometimes they hang things up if you inadvertently declined accepting them at one point.

In the mean time, maybe this will cheer ya up...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/welling3.jpg







Day-um! Somebody turn up winter. Please? http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/sweating.gif

[triplet]

Sorry to hear you're having problems there, Lara. Try deleting your cookies and give it another whirl. Sometimes they hang things up if you inadvertently declined accepting them at one point.

Much better suggestion than mine... :cool:


In the mean time, maybe this will cheer ya up...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/welling3.jpg







Day-um! Somebody turn up winter. Please? http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/sweating.gif

Day-um is right!

Thanks for that! I don't think I've seen that before.

:D :up:

Great picture...

[AgentPat]

Day-um is right!

Thanks for that! I don't think I've seen that before.

:D :up:

Great picture...Indeed! I mirrored it laterally and made it my wallpaper...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/welling3b.jpg

Double the fun, yesseree Bob... err, Tom. ;)

[triplet]

Indeed! I mirrored it laterally and made it my wallpaper...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/welling3b.jpg

Double the fun, yesseree Bob... err, Tom. ;)

Maybe this is an obvious thought coming from a triplet but....


Twin Toms!

OMG! Just think of it!

LOL!

I think I'd die of a heart attack if I saw two of them coming at me at the same time!

http://www.mckinney.to/emoticons/images/emoticons/Thud.gif

[Serene]

Ok why can't I register at DTS? You can't lurk anymore and no matter how many times I try it won't recognize me. I want to scream!!!!!

Lara, are you on AOL by any chance? I had problems when I initially registered..I had to login in one specific way. Now I have it set to remember me and I never have a problem. PM me if you are on AOL..

[Serene]

Indeed! I mirrored it laterally and made it my wallpaper...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/welling3b.jpg

Double the fun, yesseree Bob... err, Tom. ;)

The only thing better than one Tom.. is two. ;) :up:

Those dilated pupils are way sexy.

[rumpuso]

I think I'd die of a heart attack if I saw two of them coming at me at the same time!

I agree!! I'd probably pass out if just one came my way! :)

[AgentPat]

...Those dilated pupils are way sexy.I'm not sure how that's done (photography wise), but I do know it's done on purpose for just that reason. There's another photo in the same issue - same shoot, different pose, wicked dilated pupils - which I'll scan tonight. I lost the battle around 11 last night and couldn't keep my eyes open any more - as much as I wanted to. ;)

[AgentPat]

BTW... speaking of SV magazine (I *should* post this in the other TW thread, but I don't want to stir the pot :rolleyes: ), who else here has that issue now? I've been waiting to see somebody mention the update on Singerman, but NOBODY - not even K-Site - has brought it up. And since Craig was QUOTED, I'm kind of surprised it's been mum. Is everybody just giggling to themselves and being shutupum on purpose? Just wondering. :D

[Serene]

I'm not sure how that's done (photography wise), but I do know it's done on purpose for just that reason.

Oh, absolutely. I'm sure the photographer is well aware of emotional response connection to dilated pupils.

Pictures like that make my eyes dilate! :D

[Serene]

BTW... speaking of SV magazine (I *should* post this in the other TW thread, but I don't want to stir the pot :rolleyes: ), who else here has that issue now? I've been waiting to see somebody mention the update on Singerman, but NOBODY - not even K-Site - has brought it up. And since Craig was QUOTED, I'm kind of surprised it's been mum. Is everybody just giggling to themselves and being shutupum on purpose? Just wondering. :D

I haven't gotten the issue yet (later today). Can you quote it? Or PM?

[AgentPat]

I haven't gotten the issue yet (later today). Can you quote it? Or PM?I don't have the mag with me at work, but it's nothing "new." Everything they print is about two months old, but I was surprised to see what they chose this time around. Prior to this issue, all of their Singerman updates have been pretty basic - just the facts maam - that kind of stuff. This time though, I discerned a wee bit of snark, and I just had to laugh.

Basically, they quoted Wizard magazine and the individuals (like Ross, Loeb and Durance) who were asked about the casting. *ahem* And while they didn't quote Craig by name, I KNOW where they got a particular comment from. I'm paraphrasing what was a word for word quote, but they pondered how Superman could "return" and inexplicably look younger than his teenage self. ROFLMFAO!! Craig gets three thumbs up for that one. :D

:up: :up: :up:

[Thunder Emperor]

BTW... speaking of SV magazine (I *should* post this in the other TW thread, but I don't want to stir the pot :rolleyes: ), who else here has that issue now? I've been waiting to see somebody mention the update on Singerman, but NOBODY - not even K-Site - has brought it up. And since Craig was QUOTED, I'm kind of surprised it's been mum. Is everybody just giggling to themselves and being shutupum on purpose? Just wondering. :D


please post it i won't be able to get that issue lol.

[AgentPat]

please post it i won't be able to get that issue lol.The quote is, "The movie is said to feature Superman returning to Earth after a prolonged absence, but it doesn't explain how he now manages to look younger than his teenage self." If I'm not mistaken, that is word for word what Craig had written over on K-Site. It just cracked me up. Well, that and all the quotes from Wizard. ;)

Anyhoo... here's another scan from the mag:

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/welling4.jpg

Such an astonishing looking man...
*sigh*

[mellyM]

I wonder if the Fog started filming today

[AgentPat]

I wonder if the Fog started filming todayActual production supposedly started on March 1st, but I'm not sure when principal was skedded for, and more specifically, when Welling would be needed. I would imagine pretty soon - if not already. He's only the star LOL. ;)

[triplet]

Actual production supposedly started on March 1st, but I'm not sure when principal was skedded for, and more specifically, when Welling would be needed. I would imagine pretty soon - if not already. He's only the star LOL. ;)

I believe it was skedded for March 14th, yesterday, I found a site that had the IATSE North work sheet and it listed the start of production.

I'll see if I can find it.

[AgentPat]

I believe it was skedded for March 14th, yesterday, I found a site that had the IATSE North work sheet and it listed the start of production.

I'll see if I can find it.Eggsellent! Tanks! :up:

[mellyM]

I found the local site http://www.ia669.com/productions.html that has the Fog listed as starting March 21st. I originally thought it was the 14th (I keep thinking today is Monday)
SV still doesn't wrap until April 13..poor Tom.

[triplet]

Actually, Melly posted it before I had the chance...

Here's the PDF file that lists all productions.

http://ia669.com/pdf/prodlist.pdf

Yep, March 21st. So next Monday.

[AgentPat]

Hmmmm... things to ponder as it relates to The Fog - and the film's casting. ;)
Here's another VERY interesting read, straight from the pages of Variety:


Mar. 13, 2005
'Buffy' effect: Teen girls buoy screen screamers
Femme-friendly frightener formula: Make it scary but not gory
By GABRIEL SNYDER

Hollywood's latest strategy to get teen girls into movie theaters? Scare the hell out of them.

With a few exceptions, the recent string of successful scary films has been fueled by young women, according to the exit polls every studio conducts on opening weekend.

Shrieking teens could lead to a repeat of the first "Ring's" success when DreamWorks opens "The Ring Two" March 18.

When Sony opened "The Grudge" to $39 million last October, 55% of the aud was female. For Fox's "Hide and Seek" (which debuted with $22 million) it was 57%. The aud for Universal's "White Noise," which opened with $24 million was 58% female, the same figure for Sony's "The Forgotten," which bowed to $21 million.

The formula of the new femme-friendly frightener genre is fairly simple: Make it scary but not gory. Get a PG-13 rating so high school kids don't have a problem getting in. And a female lead is a plus -- it's the Buffy effect.

The picture often credited with teaching studios that girls would flock to frights is "The Ring," which became a surprising $129 million hit for DreamWorks when it was released in 2002. Studios suddenly became ravenous to develop PG-13 horror scripts.

But when the pic, based on a Japanese original called "Ringu," was being produced, the studio expected teen boys to show up, says DreamWorks co-prexy Walter Parkes.

"I remember going to theaters showing the first 'Ring,' " he says. "You would see groups of three and four teenage girls all peering from under one overcoat over all of their heads. It was a surprise to me. I had always assumed, from anecdotal evidence of earlier horror movies like 'Friday the 13th' that the audience was young adult males."

Some profitable horror pics are more popular with guys -- Lions Gate's "Saw," New Line's remake of "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" and U's "Dawn of the Dead" remake -- but it is the prospect of teen girls rushing out for scares that's pushing the fright biz these days.

"There is no question that over the last couple of years, young females have started attending horror films in greater numbers," says Lions Gate co-prexy Tom Ortenberg. "By virtue of the added young female audience to the box office, they have elevated the recent spurt of horror success stories into event status."

"Horror seems to come in waves -- both filmmakers' desire to make them and the audience desire to see them," says Sam Raimi, who before "Spider-Man" made his name as a filmmaker with "Army of Darkness" and "The Evil Dead."

"In the '80s, the high body count became the formula," he notes. Eventually, Raimi adds, "It was a lot of sequels, and it became not a cool thing to see a late-number sequel."

Robert Tapert, Raimi's partner in Ghost House Pictures, adds: "The audience is so smart. They've all seen 'Scream.' You have to be constantly reinventing chills and thrills for audiences. There are lower body counts, but there are great new ways to scare people." Ghost House was the producer of PG-13 "Boogeyman," which has grossed a solid $46 million to date.

Jane Buckingham, head of CAA's market research firm Youth Intelligence, sees cultural trends at work.

Talking about today's teen girls, she says: "It is a generation that loves intense experience, which is why horror films are so great. It's also a product of girl power. They're tough, and they want to show they don't get scared."

Some also see great business reasons to scare girls.

For one, these movies tend to be made cheaply. Explains Parkes, "It is a genre that provides the similar visceral reaction for the audience as a big f/x film, but you don't have to do the big special effects."

Repeat business also tends to be high. "It's like a roller-coaster ride with them," Tapert says. "The scarier it is, the more they'll go back to ride it again."

And the aud seems to be ready to try new pics week after week: Witness the nearly back-to-back successful horror openings so far this year.

"Low budget, PG-13 horror is what I've been repeatedly asked for by buyers," says Roy Lee, who helped bring "Ringu" to U.S. studios.

But like any successful Hollywood genre, many are predicting the glut of horror pics looking to replicate the winners will eventually cool the genre's appeal.

In fact, the recent Christina Ricci-starring werewolf pic "Cursed" seemed to be just that at the box office.

"Our experience," says Parkes, "is that by the time you identify the trend and go through the process of developing and making a movie, the trend is gone."

He hastily adds, "I'm hoping the trend doesn't run its course before our sequel."

http://www.variety.com/story.asp?l=story&a=VR1117919288&c=13

[triplet]

Hmmmm... things to ponder as it relates to The Fog - and the film's casting. ;)

Here's another VERY interesting read, straight from the pages of Variety:


Very interesting read... Thanks for posting!

[KikiDee]

Crap!! I'm so new at this I don't know how to pull out certain parts of a quote.

Oh well, as far as the trend being over........I personally love to be scared out of my pants and I personally think that if Tom's in it I won't have any problem with the pantless thing. Hmmmm....maybe that's a little too personal. Anyway, creepy is way better than gory any day and I can remember being a young teen way back when and that still being the case.:joker:

[Serene]

Crap!! I'm so new at this I don't know how to pull out certain parts of a quote.

Oh well, as far as the trend being over........I personally love to be scared out of my pants and I personally think that if Tom's in it I won't have any problem with the pantless thing. Hmmmm....maybe that's a little too personal. Anyway, creepy is way better than gory any day and I can remember being a young teen way back when and that still being the case.:joker:


To reply to a post and quote it, hit the "QUOTE" button in the bottom right hand corner of the post box. The whole post will be displayed as quoted as indicated by the text being between quote brackets. Note that the closing brackets have a / before the word Quote. You can change or add these as you need to quote the text you want. It's wise to always hit Preview Post before Submitting your reply.. Trust me on this. ;)

I like creepy.. and gory is fine too as long as it's appropriate gory. I mean, decapitations need to be bloody or I get annoyed. But I don't need to see bowels stretched from here to there.. bleh. I do have my standards. ;)

[KikiDee]

To reply to a post and quote it, hit the "QUOTE" button in the bottom right hand corner of the post box. The whole post will be displayed as quoted as indicated by the text being between quote brackets. Note that the closing brackets have a / before the word Quote. You can change or add these as you need to quote the text you want. It's wise to always hit Preview Post before Submitting your reply.. Trust me on this. ;)

I like creepy.. and gory is fine too as long as it's appropriate gory. I mean, decapitations need to be bloody or I get annoyed. But I don't need to see bowels stretched from here to there.. bleh. I do have my standards. ;)

Thanks for the advice.

It's good to have standards...so few do these days....

[triplet]

To reply to a post and quote it, hit the "QUOTE" button in the bottom right hand corner of the post box. The whole post will be displayed as quoted as indicated by the text being between quote brackets. Note that the closing brackets have a / before the word Quote. You can change or add these as you need to quote the text you want. It's wise to always hit Preview Post before Submitting your reply.. Trust me on this. ;)

^^ Kiki, I used the quote button and copied the closing quote above, and put in a copy of the opening quote below... You have to spell quote correctly:

Like this -

opening quote=[qu*te=Serene] or you can just use [qu*te]

closing quote=[/qu*te]


I like creepy.. and gory is fine too as long as it's appropriate gory. I mean, decapitations need to be bloody or I get annoyed. But I don't need to see bowels stretched from here to there.. bleh. I do have my standards. ;)

In thinking about this later, I think that going by this article and what Wainwright has said you can almost bet that they're going for creepy, not gory.

I mean the most laughable part of the original film were the cheesy effects from the gory parts... the film's absolute weakest point.

If they switched from using the gore to just going all creepy, I think they'll have a hit.

They barely scratched the surface in the creepy area... The fog was creepy, but it could have been built up to be so much more creepy than it was.

I mean, Carpenter ruled with the ultra creepy The Thing. That film was only made two years later than The Fog but has aged so much better because it's creepy, not just gory.

:up:

Good news I'm thinking.

If The Fog film does well, especially if it does better than expected, Tom will be in a great position career wise.

Not many actors can open films, if he can do that it'll mean a lot.

[mellyM]

To be fair, 'Cursed" was just a really crap movie, not at all scary, and reminded me of bad 80s horror films, and to me shouldn't be looked to as any indication the trend is ending. I don't know, it may be, but hopefully the Fog will be good enough to get people to go see it even if the trend has faded

[AgentPat]

Here's another from SV mag...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/gone2.jpg

:D

[triplet]

To be fair, 'Cursed" was just a really crap movie, not at all scary, and reminded me of bad 80s horror films, and to me shouldn't be looked to as any indication the trend is ending. I don't know, it may be, but hopefully the Fog will be good enough to get people to go see it even if the trend has faded

Wasn't MR in cursed?

Was it worth watching to see him?

Sorta on topic: did any of you see Project Greenlight last night? For those of you that don't know:

The brain child of childhood buds Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, Project Greenlight is a dual script writing/directing contest where the winners gets their film made and a reality TV crew films the process.

But the first two movies crashed and burned big time.

This time they decided to go genre (horror), thinking that a micro budgeted movie would make more sense if it had some gimmick to pull people into the theatre. The first two weren't compelling enough as dramas to make back even a fraction of their budgets... (Stolen Summer and The Battle of Shaker Heights.)

So they went whole hog and got Wes Craven as one of the exec producers and it looks like it will be a train wreck... big time.

They went with the worst horror script for its marketing value and Wes Craven was sitting two seats away from the studio suit saying this script is crap. While the studio suit said "This is the only script we're willing to pay for."

So, who won? The studio suit. Wes wasn't happy.

Then they hired the most ineffective passive aggressive personality to direct the thing, even though he produced the best short. The production team was very upset by the winner of the directing part of the contest. They didn't think he would be able to make a decision. Zero self esteem.

I can't wait to see next week's....

[AgentPat]

Bingo! Just as predicted...

http://www.fangoria.com/fearful_feature.php?id=3707

I knew Fangoria would be the first genre mag to mention The Fog. I just wish it were under different circumstances. :(

[mellyM]

Wasn't MR in cursed?

Was it worth watching to see him?

....

yes he was, and no it wasn't, though I forgot he was even in the film until he appeared onscreen. It was my friend's choice (for her bday outing) to see it. MR's part was pretty much a throwaway. We laughed a lot, so maybe it was supposed to be a comedy...somehow I don't think so, lol.

[triplet]

Bingo! Just as predicted...

http://www.fangoria.com/fearful_feature.php?id=3707

I knew Fangoria would be the first genre mag to mention The Fog. I just wish it were under different circumstances. :(

Yep.

:(

[Lara]

This weeks TV guide has a letter in it from a 65 year old woman that's never missed a Smallville episode. =) I wish we could get her online here.

[AgentPat]

This weeks TV guide has a letter in it from a 65 year old woman that's never missed a Smallville episode. =) I wish we could get her online here.LOL! Was probably my mom. Did the woman mention TW at all? :D

Hey, I'm serious. The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree, doncha know?

[Serene]

I told you guys about my husband's 90 year old grandmother who lusts for TW. I thought I was going to have to wrestle her to the ground to get my SV magazine back from her when she was here last. (And I would have too.) ;)

[triplet]

LOL! Was probably my mom. Did the woman mention TW at all? :D

Hey, I'm serious. The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree, doncha know?

My mother-in-law doesn't miss an ep and she's 80. She hates genre TV, can't get her to watch Lost or Medium to save my life, but she loves Smallville.

Proves just how well he crosses all demos when it comes to appeal. What were the suits thinking?

It absolutely boggles....

[Thunder Emperor]

The quote is, "The movie is said to feature Superman returning to Earth after a prolonged absence, but it doesn't explain how he now manages to look younger than his teenage self." If I'm not mistaken, that is word for word what Craig had written over on K-Site. It just cracked me up. Well, that and all the quotes from Wizard. ;)

Anyhoo... here's another scan from the mag:

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/welling4.jpg

Such an astonishing looking man...
*sigh*


thanks Pat

[Lara]

LOL! Was probably my mom. Did the woman mention TW at all? :D

Nope, but he is in the older movie star mold. Tall, Dark,handsome and a gentleman.It doesn't surprise me he has alot of older fans.

[Serene]

Lara, did you ever get my reply PM?

[AgentPat]

Nope, but he is in the older movie star mold. Tall, Dark, handsome and a gentleman. It doesn't surprise me he has a lot of older fans.You make an interesting point, Lara. Descriptively speaking, Welling is all of those things and then some. But I think people by nature are going to focus on the features they find most attractive on any level.

For example, I'm sure a lot of his appeal spills over from the character he plays. Superman has always had a certain allure for women. I love Valerie Perrine's line from the Donner pic.

Ms. Teschmacher: "He's too good to be true. He's 6'4, doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, and tells the truth!"

Welling has the physique and stature to pull off the physical illusion of a superman, but he's also added a fascinating side to the character that's both charming and irresistible: emotional vulnerability. Writing is important, but the actor playing Supes has to LOOK guileless, sincere, and in the case of a young Clark Kent, naive.

In Tom's case, you end up with this re-heeely big, muscular man with a chiseled face and cleft chin, who also has childlike features like soft lips and huge eyes that blends to convey youth and innocence. Said actor plays an immortal, all-powerful alien who is lonely and introverted because he can't share his "true identity" intimately with the woman he loves.

Oh yeah, such a turn off. LOL See my point? For most women, I think you'd have to be dead NOT to be attracted to that. ;)

But the proof as they say, is in the pudding. I think we'll know when The Fog unspools just how pervasive his appeal is. Welling won't be portraying an altruistic Clark Kent, and for all intents and purposes, he'll be playing his own age. Will he still have that broad appeal? Tough to say. But I'm looking forward to finding out. :D

[triplet]

But the proof as they say, is in the pudding. I think we'll know when The Fog unspools just how pervasive his appeal is. Welling won't be portraying an altruistic Clark Kent, and for all intents and purposes, he'll be playing his own age. Will he still have that broad appeal? Tough to say. But I'm looking forward to finding out. :D

You and me both, honey.

:D

[AgentPat]

I just read this post about a fan meeting TW in France a few years ago. It was posted over at DTS and I just had to share it here. Nice story!! :)

Hi. I'm Valerie. I'm from FRANCE. I live in Amiens, north of France. and I work in Paris. Forgive me for my awful english.

I'm a lieutenant in the french Police force. It was the 14th of july 2002 in Paris, our "revolution day" just like the 4th of july in the USA, I mean celebrates, fireworks etc... Thus, that day, my boss calls me : a bomb scare at the "Trocadero", next to the "Tour Eiffel" during the famous 14th of july fireworks at the "Champs de Mars" (the garden which surrounds the "Tour Eiffel"). At the "Trocadero", some people go on the terraces to admire the fireworks. We were to make an indentity check of the people going terraces of "Trocadero" towards the "Champs de Mars" while crossing the river "La Seine". Among these people... Tom Welling and his wife. My boss explained to people the reasons of the indentity check and I checked on the indentity cards or passports. Well, Tom arrives. I recognized him immediately (I'd seen Smallville during my vacation in the USA ). But I was during duty hours, I could not ask him for an autograph or say to him that I was a huge Smallville fan. I checked on his passport (very old indentity picture) and his wife's passport. and unfortunately, that's it.

He is very tall, more beautiful in person than he is on TV. more masculine, less "teenager". and his eyes ! a piercing glance, light blue/green. I could not look him straight in the eyes. He wore jeans, a white shirt, sandals, a jeans jacket, and his wife jeans too. At that time, I didn't know that he had just married. But I understood that she was his girlfriend because they seemed very in love. Here, it was my story and... fortunately, there was no bomb.

BTW, the TW forum at DTS is freakin' HUGE now. They just changed the layout because they "outgrew" the old one. Too funny!

[triplet]

I just read this post about a fan meeting TW in France a few years ago. It was posted over at DTS and I just had to share it here. Nice story!! :)



BTW, the TW forum at DTS is freakin' HUGE now. They just changed the layout because they "outgrew" the old one. Too funny!

I love that story...

Yeah, and the TW forum is phucking huge over there now!

LOL!

:D

Kinda hard to find some things right now, but I'll get used to it. ;)

[Serene]

Will he still have that broad appeal? Tough to say. But I'm looking forward to finding out. :D

I can pretty much guarantee he'll definitely still appeal to this broad.

:D

[Serene]

Kinda hard to find some things right now, but I'll get used to it. ;)

sheesh, I know! I was trying to renavigate my way around there. What a surprise that the TW forum would take over every other. Kinda like a certain thread I'm fond of here. ;)

[AgentPat]

I can pretty much guarantee he'll definitely still appeal to this broad.Oh hon, he'd "appeal" to me just reading from a phone book. All. Day. Long. LOL!! :D

sheesh, I know! I was trying to renavigate my way around there. What a surprise that the TW forum would take over every other. Kinda like a certain thread I'm fond of here. ;)I wonder what spurred the growth? It's not like he's been in anything other than SV recently, and Singerman is really only on the tongues of superhero geeks right now - not that he's got anything to do with that, thank goodness. But still. Could it be the proliferation of the DVDs and additional exposure from ABC Family, maybe? But that doesn't really explain the new foreign fans. I'm at a loss...






But I love it nonetheless! :)

[Serene]

Could it be the proliferation of the DVDs and additional exposure from ABC Family, maybe? But that doesn't really explain the new foreign fans. I'm at a loss...

But I love it nonetheless! :)

I think ABCFamily is having a huge impact. That's a 5 day a week exposure. In this part of the world, it airs at 6pm.. Oddly enough that's the same timeslot that Highlander used to air when it was on USA network 5 days a week.. and that's when I first got hooked on it.

[triplet]

I can pretty much guarantee he'll definitely still appeal to this broad.

:D

:D

:up:

What she said!

(Way to turn a phrase there, 'Rene!)

[AgentPat]

I think ABCFamily is having a huge impact. That's a 5 day a week exposure. In this part of the world, it airs at 6pm.. Oddly enough that's the same timeslot that Highlander used to air when it was on USA network 5 days a week.. and that's when I first got hooked on it.In Boston, it airs at 7pm (good lead-in slot for PrimeTime) and I believe ABCF airs it SIX days a week, so you may be right. I watch it every night, even though I have all of the episodes on DVD at my finger tips. A similar phenomenon happened when A&E ran repeat episodes of Northern Exposure's 110 ep show twice a day for about a year. The fan base actually *increased* even though the skein had been cancelled by CBS over two years earlier.

It'll definitely be interesting to see what happens post October. And not fer nuthin', but I'm *really* curious to see if the schitt hits the fan next summer. It's been five months - seven if you count from last August - and fans aren't letting the subject die. Hell, even the people INTERVIEWING Welling are still dancing around The Question to this day. ;)

[rumpuso]

It'll definitely be interesting to see what happens post October. And not fer nuthin', but I'm *really* curious to see if the schitt hits the fan next summer. It's been five months - seven if you count from last August - and fans aren't letting the subject die. Hell, even the people INTERVIEWING Welling are still dancing around The Question to this day. ;)


I'm with you on this Pat...Welling is quite the phenomenon. I'd love to know if TPTB for Singerman recognize this now.

[triplet]

I think ABCFamily is having a huge impact. That's a 5 day a week exposure. In this part of the world, it airs at 6pm.. Oddly enough that's the same timeslot that Highlander used to air when it was on USA network 5 days a week.. and that's when I first got hooked on it.

Actually, it's seven days a week. They got the strip Monday-Friday and then also play different eps on weekends, or they were. Not sure if they're still doing that.

[triplet]

I'm with you on this Pat...Welling is quite the phenomenon. I'd love to know if TPTB for Singerman recognize this now.

They gotta know now, if they didn't before.

[Lara]

Lara, did you ever get my reply PM?
Yeah I'm trying what you suggested about the logging in. I'm going to give it a day or two then email them.

[KikiDee]

I'm just going to post to everything since I've been "off" for awhile.... I do mean that literally.

I did actually know about Smallville when it first came out. I tried really hard to get into it when i lived in Washington. I wish I had because then I would have known where they were shooting it and actually tried to visit. (I actually had a spa weekend with girlfriends in Vancouver) When my husband was deployed to Afghanistan there was a first and second season of Smallville to watch and he came back hooked. We watched off and on as we prepared for out next move.

Thank God, ABC Family loves to promote their little reruns because I had the opportunity to fall in love with Smallville through the marathon and the interviews with the cast. Tom was so professional and Michael was an extreme treat because as I've said before he shares my husband's sense of humor and yes he is an avid fan of the "Clerks" guy Silent Bob. Sorry, I'm sad I can't even remember his name post to post (AgentPat) Kevin Smith? am I right? I can't help it I fell in love with Tom in a wierd almost big sisterly or motherly way and I am agast at how they have treated him. Shame on you Brian Singer, noone cares about the unknown concept anymore just continue the story by God! What were you thinking man? I'm an avid Harry Potter fan and if they so help me try to find a new Harry Potter I am personally going to hold a revolution.
We all know what's he's going to become why torture us poor souls by giving us something not up to par? Something so substantial we must weep in our sleep???

Alright, I feel sorry for Brandon Routh, but who's to blame? The stupid casting agents and the stinking director? He could've been great. He could've been a contender.........in something else.

Flame on.........

[jas01724]

Ugh. DTS/DFN really needs to learn that bigger isn't always better; their forums are starting to suffer from the same issue as their gallery: it takes too long to get from A to B.

[KikiDee]

Ugh. DTS/DFN really needs to learn that bigger isn't always better; their forums are starting to suffer from the same issue as their gallery: it takes too long to get from A to B.

Please explain...you see I'm illiterate....

[KikiDee]

Yeah I'm trying what you suggested about the logging in. I'm going to give it a day or two then email them.

I had to ask for a new password if that helps.

[triplet]

Please explain...you see I'm illiterate....

:D

Their forums are huge, as we've been saying, but James is right:

It's kinda hard to find your way around now.

I agree. Too much granualarity is a bad thing...

[KikiDee]

:D

Their forums are huge, as we've been saying, but James is right:

It's kinda hard to find your way around now.

I agree. Too much granualarity is a bad thing...

I agree, I lurk on there from time to time, but it gets a little cumbersome. Do you think they started the registration due to the SHH conflict with people scanning magazines? It seems wierd they wouldn't want people to just peruse the merchandise. Just another thought, maybe they are trying to make the actors or writer register before lurking just so they know what's up?

[triplet]

I agree, I lurk on there from time to time, but it gets a little cumbersome. Do you think they started the registration due to the SHH conflict with people scanning magazines? It seems wierd they wouldn't want people to just peruse the merchandise. Just another thought, maybe they are trying to make the actors or writer register before lurking just so they know what's up?

I think the registration is just so they know who's looking, although they'd love it if someone from the show was obviously looking...

Jeez, I'd probably not post some of the stuff I do over there if I knew Tom would see it.

Be kinda embarassing...

[KikiDee]

I think the registration is just so they know who's looking, although they'd love it if someone from the show was obviously looking...

Jeez, I'd probably not post some of the stuff I do over there if I knew Tom would see it.

Be kinda embarassing...
]
Just so you know. I guess some chick from the K-site has her own Michael site and was posting a thank you to him for sending her a gift on the site because he stops by from time to time. Don't know how true, of course, but just a heads up.

[triplet]

Just so you know. I guess some chick from the K-site has her own Michael site and was posting a thank you to him for sending her a gift on the site because he stops by from time to time. Don't know how true, of course, but just a heads up.

Really?

Mmmm... I had heard the prodco lurked, but I hope I haven't said anything too embarrassing.

Ooh, there was that whole "size of his hands" relating to...*ahem* other proportions of his body discussion...

Mmmm, Would that be embarrassing?


Naw.




Tom would be flattered about that!

:D :up:

[Serene]

Ooh, there was that whole "size of his hands" relating to...*ahem* other proportions of his body discussion...

Mmmm, Would that be embarrassing?
Naw.

Tom would be flattered about that!

:D :up:

I wonder how he'd feel about our Drooling Thread. :)
Flattered, I would hope.
Speaking of which.. isn't about time for Pat do some more drool-inducing?

(don't forget about the size of his feet too! Aye carumba!)

[triplet]

I wonder how he'd feel about our Drooling Thread. :)
Flattered, I would hope.
Speaking of which.. isn't about time for Pat do some more drool-inducing?

(don't forget about the size of his feet too! Aye carumba!)

Yup!

:D :up:

BTW: Wasn't someone going to start a Tom manip thread? I think I have one that finally worked OK.

[KikiDee]

I wonder how he'd feel about our Drooling Thread. :)
Flattered, I would hope.
Speaking of which.. isn't about time for Pat do some more drool-inducing?

(don't forget about the size of his feet too! Aye carumba!)

Paging AgentPat.....drooling inducing neeeded please..my hubby might actually like the outcome..:daredevil

[The Incredible Hulk]

I think you guys need your spitoons changed ;) :D

[KikiDee]

I think you guys need your spitoons changed ;) :D

Oh honey, we don't spit we swallow, but I guess you knew that hmmmm?:D

[KikiDee]

good thing we don't have a regular mod I guess? I am so ashamed?

[Serene]

Oh honey, we don't spit we swallow, but I guess you knew that hmmmm?:D

*spew!*

er.. I mean, ROFLMAO!!!

[triplet]

*spew!*

er.. I mean, ROFLMAO!!!

Oh, my god!

You guys are on a roll tonight!


:D

[KikiDee]

Just so you know... we were a talkin' about Tom so as not to confuse the topic yo? There would definitely not be any of that theorizin' goin' on. Talkin' stictly
bout the homeboys.:confused:

[triplet]

Just so you know... we were a talkin' about Tom so as not to confuse the topic yo? There would definitely not be any of that theorizin' goin' on. Talkin' stictly
bout the homeboys.:confused:

I have no idea what you're talkin' 'bout, but I still think you're funny!

:D

[KikiDee]

I have no idea what you're talkin' 'bout, but I still think you're funny!

:D

Thanks, I usually have to entertain myself, but it
's nice to have an audience once in a while

[triplet]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=598&ncid=790&e=6&u=/nm/20050318/film_nm/film_fog_dc

Blair, Serbedzija, Davis Roll in for 'Fog' Remake

By Borys Kit


LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - Selma Blair (news (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/celeb/nm/film_nm/film_fog_dc/14612898/*http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?fr=news-storylinks&p=%22Selma%20Blair%22&c=&n=20&yn=c&c=news&cs=nw)) has signed on for the remake of John Carpenter's classic horror-thriller "The Fog" for Revolution Studios.

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20050318/amdf899071.jpg (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050318/photos_en/mdf899071)
Reuters Photo (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050318/photos_en/mdf899071)


Also joining the cast are DeRay Davis and Rade Serbedzija.

Rupert Wainwright is directing the film. Cooper Layne is writing the script, based on the 1980 film's screenplay by Carpenter and the late Debra Hill.

"Fog" is set in a Northern California town near where a ship sank about 100 years earlier under mysterious circumstances in a thick, eerie fog. The ghosts of the deceased mariners return from their watery graves to seek revenge. Tom Welling and Maggie Grace also star.

Blair is stepping into the role of a DJ and owner of a lighthouse, originally portrayed by Adrienne Barbeau (news (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/celeb/nm/film_nm/film_fog_dc/14612898/*http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?fr=news-storylinks&p=%22Adrienne%20Barbeau%22&c=&n=20&yn=c&c=news&cs=nw)), who was married to Carpenter at the time.

Davis plays Welling's best friend, and Serbedzija is a priest.

Blair's upcoming films include "Pretty Persuasion" and "The Alibi." She will shoot "Hellboy II" after she completes "Fog."

Davis, who appeared in "Barbershop" and "Barbershop 2," will soon begin a recurring role on HBO's "Entourage."

Serbedzija's credits include "Mission: Impossible 2," "Snatch," "Eyes Wide Shut" and "Before the Rain."

Reuters/Hollywood Reporter

[KikiDee]

Awesome news. Now we have a well known actress attached so maybe "other" people will take it seriously. I'm thinking box office hit. Anyone?

[triplet]

Awesome news. Now we have a well known actress attached so maybe "other" people will take it seriously. I'm thinking box office hit. Anyone?

Yep.

:up:

[Thunder Emperor]

Awesome news. Now we have a well known actress attached so maybe "other" people will take it seriously. I'm thinking box office hit. Anyone?


actually all three people mentioned in that article have some good acting credits on their resume. :D . go Welling

[Mandrill]

actually all three people mentioned in that article have some good acting credits on their resume. :D . go Welling


Rade Serbedzija is in Batman Begins too.As ''Homeless man'' :p

[Lara]

Awesome news. Now we have a well known actress attached so maybe "other" people will take it seriously. I'm thinking box office hit. Anyone? Ww this movie is getting all classed up :D Hopefully this will end people thinking it's a teen movie.

[AgentPat]

OMG!! I TOTALLY missed all the fun last night. Damn! :(

Hey Kiki, how's the head this morning babe? *giggle* Looks like you kept everybody entertained. Way to go!! :up: :D

And for this little piece of news...

...Selma Blair has signed on for the remake of John Carpenter's classic horror-thriller "The Fog" for Revolution Studios...Uh. Muh. Gawd!!!! This is freakin' AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! And I'll be the first to admit the irony here has me LOL considering Blair was such a fan fav for Singerman. Back then, she was my fav for Lois too, so this is just outstanding news. I'm re-heeeeely jazzed to see this film now, not that I wasn't already, but it's wonderful to be so psyched about the CASTING of a film for a change. :rolleyes: ;)

[RakuMon]

Uh. Muh. Gawd!!!! This is freakin' AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! And I'll be the first to admit the irony here has me LOL considering Blair was such a fan fav for Singerman. Back then, she was my fav for Lois too, so this is just outstanding news. I'm re-heeeeely jazzed to see this film now, not that I wasn't already, but it's wonderful to be so psyched about the CASTING of a film for a change. :rolleyes: ;)
Funny thing. Wizard ran a story a couple years ago (during the whole Ratner/McG drama) about how they'd do the Superman movie. Their top two casting decisions? Welling for Superman, Blair for Lois.

I guess everyone can watch the Fog and just pretend it's Superman (as I'm sure Welling's character will perform some derring do).

[The Incredible Hulk]

Oh honey, we don't spit we swallow, but I guess you knew that hmmmm?:D


:eek: wait, umm :eek:

[AgentPat]

Funny thing. Wizard ran a story a couple years ago (during the whole Ratner/McG drama) about how they'd do the Superman movie. Their top two casting decisions? Welling for Superman, Blair for Lois.HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Really? Now I really AM laughing. This is so cool!

I guess everyone can watch the Fog and just pretend it's Superman (as I'm sure Welling's character will perform some derring do).The funniest part about this is that some of us won't be pretending. Y'all know how much I love Welling and will go out of my way to see him in whatever movie/show he's cast in, but it will be a while before I don't see him as Clark/Superman anymore, especially while SV is still on. Maybe I shouldn't admit that 'cause producers DON'T want people associating their actors with their former roles, but it's hard NOT to with Welling. But as a viewer, it doesn't bother me at all, and in point of fact, it's kind of fun. "What would Clark do in this situation?" Hee! ;)

[Serene]

OMG!! I TOTALLY missed all the fun last night. Damn! :(

Hey Kiki, how's the head this morning babe? *giggle* Looks like you kept everybody entertained. Way to go!!

We missed you, Pat! There was one table left open to dance on.. with your name on it. :D

Kiki.. I really hope you got to sleep in.. ;)

Uh. Muh. Gawd!!!! This is freakin' AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! And I'll be the first to admit the irony here has me LOL considering Blair was such a fan fav for Singerman. Back then, she was my fav for Lois too, so this is just outstanding news. I'm re-heeeeely jazzed to see this film now, not that I wasn't already, but it's wonderful to be so psyched about the CASTING of a film for a change. :rolleyes: ;)
What great casting! Blair is perfect for Barbeau's role. I think she's a reeeally good actor too.

Nice news to start my day on. :up:

[AgentPat]

We missed you, Pat! There was one table left open to dance on.. with your name on it. :DI was here in spirit. I lose the battle every night around 11ish :(

But thanks for saving me a table. :D

***********

BTW, did you guys know this? Note the cast:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0182656/combined

Interesting - in an aHAH! - kinda way. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/ponder.gif

[KikiDee]

I was here in spirit. I lose the battle every night around 11ish http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif

But thanks for saving me a table. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif


You're welcome.

I did actually get to sleep in today thank you very much and I'm feeling fine. I did have to go back and assess the damage I did last night.:eek: Hope I didn't offend anyone....I tend to get a little "off-color" when I've been partaking of the Jesus juice.

I did have fun though. I was really hoping more would have been out to play, but I know most of you guys hang out while you're at work.

[triplet]

OMG!! I TOTALLY missed all the fun last night. Damn! :(

Hey Kiki, how's the head this morning babe? *giggle* Looks like you kept everybody entertained. Way to go!! :up: :D

And for this little piece of news...

Uh. Muh. Gawd!!!! This is freakin' AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! And I'll be the first to admit the irony here has me LOL considering Blair was such a fan fav for Singerman. Back then, she was my fav for Lois too, so this is just outstanding news. I'm re-heeeeely jazzed to see this film now, not that I wasn't already, but it's wonderful to be so psyched about the CASTING of a film for a change. :rolleyes: ;)

I've seen Blair a time or two on the late night talk shows and she's very down to earth and yet stunningly beautiful.

She'll be great as Stevie!

:up:

My interest level is getting higher and higher!

:D

[triplet]

I was here in spirit. I lose the battle every night around 11ish :(

But thanks for saving me a table. :D

***********

BTW, did you guys know this? Note the cast:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0182656/combined

Interesting - in an aHAH! - kinda way. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/ponder.gif

Hey, the MR forum has a whole bunch of links for clips of promo materials for that show.

I don't even remember it... :D

Too funny.

It proves yet again how small a town Hollywood can be.

And the girl that played his sister in that, played Amy in Shimmer. (The girl with the crush on Lex who's mom worked in the Luthor mansion...)

[Lara]

LOl www.moviehole.com has the article as "Selma Blair teams up with Supeman after all" Also rumor is Jamie Leigh Curtis will play the role her mother did. That would be great. Yeah happy dance!

[triplet]

LOl www.moviehole.com (http://www.moviehole.com/) has the article as "Selma Blair teams up with Supeman after all" Also rumor is Jamie Leigh Curtis will play the role her mother did. That would be great. Yeah happy dance!

Yep.

Someone reported that over on the IMDB forums for the film.

I think that's great news too, it'll be kinda of an homage from Jamie to her mom.

She's worked a lot with Carpenter too, so that'll be good for him. He likes working with certain people over and over.

[Lara]

Yep.

Someone reported that over on the IMDB forums for the film.

I think that's great news too, it'll be kinda of an homage from Jamie to her mom.

She's worked a lot with Carpenter too, so that'll be good for him. He likes working with certain people over and over.
Plus if people are mad about a remake this should help them get over it. :D

[KikiDee]

Plus if people are mad about a remake this should help them get over it. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif




]http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[triplet]

Plus if people are mad about a remake this should help them get over it. :D

True.

I've kinda looked over some horror/genre fan sites and the IMDB forum recently and most horror fans have kinda turned around on the topic of the remake.

I think they're hearing good things (like Curtis maybe signing) and not letting their fears over remaking a "classic" horror (I think it's debatable how classic it is, however) get the best of them.

[Thunder Emperor]

Funny thing. Wizard ran a story a couple years ago (during the whole Ratner/McG drama) about how they'd do the Superman movie. Their top two casting decisions? Welling for Superman, Blair for Lois.

I guess everyone can watch the Fog and just pretend it's Superman (as I'm sure Welling's character will perform some derring do).


I know that is wha I am going to do. to save myself the agony and pain of 2006 ;) :D

[mellyM]

My friend sent over some pages of the Fog script (casting sides, not a big deal, but still)..its official, his shirt is off..woo!!!:D

[AgentPat]

My friend sent over some pages of the Fog script (casting sides, not a big deal, but still)..its official, his shirt is off..woo!!!:DOh, Melly... PLEEEEEEEZE SHARE. Anything you can transcribe? Pretty pretty pleeeeeeze? *sniffs and begs*

[Serene]

My friend sent over some pages of the Fog script (casting sides, not a big deal, but still)..its official, his shirt is off..woo!!!:D

Melly.. dude. Walk with us, talk with us.
;)

[Lara]

My friend sent over some pages of the Fog script (casting sides, not a big deal, but still)..its official, his shirt is off..woo!!!:D
Share please. We'll call you our official scooper and revere you as a god :cool:

[mellyM]

I'll transcribe the first page if you like:) I'll post it in a little bit

[The Incredible Hulk]

My friend sent over some pages of the Fog script (casting sides, not a big deal, but still)..its official, his shirt is off..woo!!!:D


any chance Selma Blair's shirt comes off? :joker:

[mellyM]

any chance Selma Blair's shirt comes off? :joker:

would you be able to tell? :D

[mellyM]

here's the first page of Tom's part (Nick)

**********

Dark and dank. One end of the boathouse is open to the harbor. Some long boards make a bridge over the sea water that covers the recessed floor, lapping against the mossy stoned walls.

SPOONER enters looking for NICK

SPOONER
Yo Nick!

NICK (O.S)

In here.

NICK stands shirtless, hair wet from a shower. He buttons his jeans, snaps on his watch in a hurry.

SPOONER comes in drinking a cold beer.

SPOONER
Think they’ll come back next year?

NICK
Would you?

SPOONER
You know that wasn’t my fault

NICK eyes him sideways

SPOONER
You’re so sexy when you’re mad

NICK (takes Spooner’s beer, drinks)
I’m in a hurry Spooner, don’t bug me

SPOONER
But we still got decks to swab

NICK
I gotta run over to Little Rays and pick up the rings for that bilge pump

SPOONER
So go tomorrow

NICK
Closed weekends

SPOONER (busting his balls)
Just don’t want you to get lost..wind up at Stevie’s again

NICK turns and puts his hand on Spooner’s shoulder

NICK
Spooner, that was a one time thing

SPOONER
All three times?

NICK
Twice Spooner. It was twice

SPOONER
I’m just saying, what if she blabs?

NICK
Elizabeth’s three thousand miles away. Whats she gonna do, write her a letter?

SPOONER
Dude. You can never tell with women

[jas01724]

I'm just as interested in this part:

GIRL
So I leave town, and you start picking up strange girls on the side of the road, is that it?

NICK (genuinely surprised)
Elizabeth! What? No. You think I don't recognize... you?

ELIZABETH
I haven't been gone that long, Nick. Have I?

NICK
I knew it was you.

ELIZABETH
Yeah, I could tell.

NICK (trying to recover)
What are you doing back?

ELIZABETH
It's just for a few days. So? You still wanna give me a ride?
She opens the door, gets in.

NICK
I'm telling you, I knew it was you.

ELIZABETH
You are such a liar.
Suddenly she's all over him and he just rolls with it. Soon they are reaching inside each other's clothes, popping buttons...

ELIZABETH (stopping)
And Nick? Next time, open the door for a lady.
And as they go at it again, sliding down into the seat...

:D

[Lara]

I am a very happy person =)

[triplet]

I am a very happy person =)

Yep!

I can't wait!

[triplet]

would you be able to tell? :D

LOL!

:D :up:

Too funny...

[jas01724]

This is the last part I'm going to post - there's a reason why the likes of KSite do a spoiler write-up rather than posting the whole sides. Studios can get mad.

EXT. ELIZABETH'S HOUSE - NIGHT

Elizabeth runs out of the door, furious, when she sees...

Nick's truck - still parked out front.

INT. NICK'S TRUCK - NIGHT

She comes over to the window.
ELIZABETH
You waited?
Nick looks at his watch, mock surprise on his face...
NICK
Lasted about thirty seconds longer than I thought you would...
This time, he opens the door for her...
NICK
What now?

ELIZABETH
Let's go to your place.

NICK
And have wild sex?

ELIZABETH
With a strange hitch-hiker? You wish.
INT. NICK'S BEACH HOUSE - NIGHT

Camera moves into a steamy bathroom, shower running, mirror, and glass door fogged. Elizabeth's hand presses against the shower glass, wipes clear a streak. Nick is behind her, kissing her shoulders, her neck, her ear...I have a suspicion that this movie may not be PG-13...

[mellyM]

LOL, I refrained from posting that...but yes, wee!! please please be an R
Theres also a brief description of some shower action...so..um yeah, please be an R, lol

[triplet]

I have a suspicion that this movie may not be PG-13...

You think?

Didn't Pat post something about horrors making more money as PG-13?

:(

I hope it's R, though... ;) :D

[Serene]

would you be able to tell? :D

ROFL!

I mean.. shame on you, melly!
;)

[Serene]

I have a suspicion that this movie may not be PG-13...

Maybe we can get Kiki to do some wild topless dancing to get the R-rated mojo going. ;)

[jas01724]

You think?

Didn't Pat post something about horrors making more money as PG-13?

:(

I hope it's R, though... ;) :DIt's difficult to tell, a script can be deceiving because of the numerous ways that it can be filmed. It could be filmed in a way that isn't very blatant and be an easy PG-13, or it could be filmed like a REAL horror film - which I want!

The script reads like a 15 certificate in the UK.

Exactly as written it would be tough to make this PG-13 (basically equivalent to a UK 12), but with a few changes it could be done.

[triplet]

It's difficult to tell, a script can be deceiving because of the numerous ways that it can be filmed. It could be filmed in a way that isn't very blatant and be an easy PG-13, or it could be filmed like a REAL horror film - which I want!

The script reads like a 15 certificate in the UK.

Exactly as written it would be tough to make this PG-13 (basically equivalent to a UK 12), but with a few changes it could be done.

True.

But some of the little bit of action included in the sides would also lead me to believe that they're going R, not PG-13.

[jas01724]

True.

But some of the little bit of action included in the sides would also lead me to believe that they're going R, not PG-13.Let's put it this way: even one or two of the more violent episodes of Smallville have been released with a 15 certificate over here, and they're nothing compared to what I've seen of this script.

[Lara]

You think?

Didn't Pat post something about horrors making more money as PG-13?

:(

I hope it's R, though... ;) :D
I hope it's R to. Especially if it's this kind of R. PG 13 movies do make more, but this movie isn't highly bugeted and there is a market for R rated movies especially with a Haloween release.

[Lara]

LOL, I refrained from posting that...but yes, wee!! please please be an R
Theres also a brief description of some shower action...so..um yeah, please be an R, lol
Ok please pm me just the shower part ........please :oo

[jas01724]

You might be disappointed by a PM because it literally amounts to: She moans, he puts her hands up against the wall... cut to next morning.

(I did my own little KSite-esque spoiler write-up though. It's over at my site.)

[triplet]

You might be disappointed by a PM because it literally amounts to: She moans, he puts her hands up against the wall... cut to next morning.

(I did my own little KSite-esque spoiler write-up though. It's over at my site.)

Speaking of your site, over on DTS Scarlett's deleted some images from threads that were identified as coming from your site but I couldn't find images on your site...

Am I missing something here?

:confused:

BTW: nice spoilers.

:up:

[jas01724]

Speaking of your site, over on DTS Scarlett's deleted some images from threads that were identified as coming from your site but I couldn't find images on your site...

Am I missing something here?Not really. There used to be pictures.

What happened was that I had loads of pictures that people could do anything they liked with, and a few pictures that I specifically asked people not to repost anywhere - I'd been asked to do my best to keep them on my site. I asked nicely but all I got in response was "if they're on the 'net we can do what we like with them!" So I got it in the neck from the people who had given the pictures to me, and I in turn got pissy with the people who reposted them - and eventually I asked people not to repost any pics with my site's watermark on them. Watermarked pics are still out there, obviously, and anytime Scarlett sees one she removes it.

I ended up taking down the whole gallery so that I wouldn't have to bother with it anymore, and believe me, it's easier this way.

I don't even particularly care about the pictures on DTS anymore, but after all the trouble it caused me I'm not going to tell them to stop removing them...

[triplet]

Ok please pm me just the shower part ........please :oo

He posted it above:

INT. NICK'S BEACH HOUSE - NIGHT

Camera moves into a steamy bathroom, shower running, mirror, and glass door fogged. Elizabeth's hand presses against the shower glass, wipes clear a streak. Nick is behind her, kissing her shoulders, her neck, her ear...

[triplet]

Not really. There used to be pictures.

What happened was that I had loads of pictures that people could do anything they liked with, and a few pictures that I specifically asked people not to repost anywhere - I'd been asked to do my best to keep them on my site. I asked nicely but all I got in response was "if they're on the 'net we can do what we like with them!" So I got it in the neck from the people who had given the pictures to me, and I in turn got pissy with the people who reposted them - and eventually I asked people not to repost any pics with my site's watermark on them. Watermarked pics are still out there, obviously, and anytime Scarlett sees one she removes it.

I ended up taking down the whole gallery so that I wouldn't have to bother with it anymore, and believe me, it's easier this way.

I don't even particularly care about the pictures on DTS anymore, but after all the trouble it caused me I'm not going to tell them to stop removing them...

You ever tried disabling right clicking?

That should get rid of the more casual reposters... There's probably a way around that, but most 14 year olds wouldn't know it.

[jas01724]

You ever tried disabling right clicking?

That should get rid of the more casual reposters... There's probably a way around that, but most 14 year olds wouldn't know it.Ugh, I detest superfluous code just for the sake of stopping some dumb little (or big) kid who's click-happy.

Check the source of my site if you like; then tell me to add a silly right-click disabler. :p

[triplet]

Ugh, I detest superfluous code just for the sake of stopping some dumb little (or big) kid who's click-happy.

Check the source of my site if you like; then tell me to add a silly right-click disabler. :p

I've seen it a few times, thought I'd mention it but I don't know how to do it...

:shrug:

[jas01724]

I've seen it a few times, thought I'd mention it but I don't know how to do it...

:shrug:It's just a little piece of javascript code, but the problem is that it can also block clicking on things that some people (disabled people, for instance) might desperately need access to. It's not a good idea to block things out just for the sake of stopping a few pains in the butt...

You can block right-click, left-click, highlighting of text. You name it, it can be done. And all it does is make a mess.

[triplet]

It's just a little piece of javascript code, but the problem is that it can also block clicking on things that some people (disabled people, for instance) might desperately need access to. It's not a good idea to block things out just for the sake of stopping a few pains in the butt...

You can block right-click, left-click, highlighting of text. You name it, it can be done. And all it does is make a mess.

Oh, gotcha.

You'd be surprised how many people who have vision problems (or are completely blind) use scanners and that is something that the engineers at work don't really design for.

We've had some problems with accessability issues with a UI change recently because of that.

[Serene]

I ended up taking down the whole gallery so that I wouldn't have to bother with it anymore, and believe me, it's easier this way..

I've told you this before, but I do wish you had a gallery on your site. Even if it's just an handful of pictures that are open to sharing. It just seems like a basic but necessary component for a fan site dedicated to one actor. People who surf in looking for TW info should be able to see some of his best pictures. It just makes the site more complete, IMO.

It's your call, but I'm just throwing my suggestion into the box again.

[jas01724]

A gallery isn't a necessity, if it were I would have one. :rolleyes:

[Serene]

A gallery isn't a necessity, if it were I would have one. :rolleyes:

Was just a suggestion. I'm not sure that rolling your eyes at me was a necessity either.

[triplet]

Hey, there was a TV Guide channel special on yesterday called "Bad To the Bone"

The first guy profiled was Smallville's very own Michael Rosenbaum.

Why am I posting it here, do you ask?

Well, there is a few seconds of tape of Tom Welling during filming of the green screen flight sequence included here....

I couldn't figure out how to make it a clip, so here's the whole the capture of the MR part of the special.

Broadband quality so it's big.

http://s50.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0PA8J23DDZW543VBQPOJM29YZU (http://s50.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0PA8J23DDZW543VBQPOJM29YZU)

Maybe I'll capture just the green screen bit later...

[jas01724]

Was just a suggestion. I'm not sure that rolling your eyes at me was a necessity either.I didn't roll my eyes at you, I rolled them at the suggestion that galleries are necessary to a successful site - my site stats say otherwise. It may have only been a suggestion, but it was one that I didn't ask for either time that you gave it, and both times I had already explained why I removed the dumb thing to start with - because it takes TOO MUCH EFFORT.

Would it help to know that i'm pretty seriously ill and that maintaining the site at all, nevermind with a huge image gallery, sometimes makes me come *this* close to passing out? I only wish I were just looking for sympathy...

[triplet]

Would it help to know that i'm pretty seriously ill ...? I only wish I were just looking for sympathy...

I'm sorry to hear that you're ill.

:(

I'm sure Serene didn't mean it to start a fight.

Feel better soon.

[jas01724]

I'm sorry to hear that you're ill.

:(

I'm sure Serene didn't mean it to start a fight.

Feel better soon.Thanks.

I know she didn't mean to start a fight, and I don't mean to get mad, but when you say, "this takes too much effort," and then someone responds with, "you should do it anyway," it's incredibly irritating.

Taken to an extreme, it's like an ex-athlete with a serious heart condition being told to go back out on the field because the fans want to see it. The fans might want it, but the person you're telling to do it is likely to drop down dead! I'm not going to drop dead (I think), however I'd rather not be too exhausted to move, thanks muchly. ;)

I've been ill for years and I deal with it in the best way I can. One of those ways is to get rid of a dumb website if it starts to cause problems...

[Serene]

Thanks.

I know she didn't mean to start a fight, and I don't mean to get mad, but when you say, "this takes too much effort," and then someone responds with, "you should do it anyway," it's incredibly irritating.

Well I am sorry that I so incredibly irritated you, and I am sorry that you are ill.

[jas01724]

Well I am sorry that I so incredibly irritated you, and I am sorry that you are ill.In an attempt at good faith, I'm sorry for snapping. I really am, for whatever it's worth.

I just don't know... is it really all that surprising that I'd be annoyed? This sappy little diatribe has been up on my site for all to read since last august:

http://www.tomwelling.org/archives/2004/08/21/53/

The archives are an open book, it's pretty much all there. That the site is still online at all is enough for most people.

[AgentPat]

Nice read over at IGN. Here are a few excerpts:
(The entire article is much longer)

Big Heroes on the Small Screen: Part One
Our five part look at superheroes on TV begins with DC's finest.
by Chris Carle

March 18, 2005 - With the recent explosion of super hero flicks at the box office, it can't be long until every network co-opts the strategy and has your favorite tighted-one shouting snappy dialogue at his nemesis in prime time. But that's nothing new.

Television studios have always flirted with superhero series, with various degrees of success, but there have not been many lasting romances. The reasons for this are many and varied. To do a show right, for instance, the studios would need to pony up serious resources, and that's too much of a risk.

That's why the most successful and long-running superhero shows (Lois and Clark and Smallville are good examples) focus on the interpersonal relationships of the alter egos. Big-time hero action is reserved for either animation or the big screen. As CG effects get cheaper and more widespread, we can expect to see more and more raging superhero battles in our livingrooms. ...

...[Lois & Clark] focused on the romance between Lois Lane and a very dashing Clark Kent, and its light-hearted approach and wide appeal led to a tidy run from 1993-1997. It also marked a new and somewhat safer approach to the superhero show; a personal and dramatic take on the invincible.

This attitude continues with Smallville, which focuses on the Man of Steel's adolescence in his hometown, before he actually becomes Superman. It deals specifically with his early relationship with his then-friend Lex Luthor (Michael Rosenbaum) and Lana (Kristin Kreuk), a love interest. Tom Welling plays Clark Kent, and he's a big reason the show works, bringing freshness to the Superman mythos, and paving the way for more interesting origin tales on television...

http://comics.ign.com/articles/597/597328p1.html

[Lara]

The twins playing baby Evan in a sequence of "Ageless" will be Libby and Owen Stewart. Their mother posted the following account on their website:

"I had the opportunity to meet John Schneider aka Bo Duke! He's a super nice guy. We had a short chat about kids after he introduced himself. Then I met Tom Welling. Again, a super nice guy. During run through, he dropped the doll on the floor to freak me out. Yeah - very funny! Okay, it was a little funny once I realised it wasn't part of the actual scene. haha Libby seemed rather smitten by him. When we were filming as she stopped being fussy the second he picked her up. I also had a brief chat with Kristen Kreuk, who is also really nice. Annette O'Toole, yet another wonderfully friendly actress, and I had a chat about parenting and how cute the babies are."

This is sooo adorable I had to copy it fom K-site. I almost gave it it's own thread!

[AgentPat]

...During run through, he dropped the doll on the floor to freak me out. Yeah - very funny!HAHAHAHAHA!!! What a d!ck! LMAO!! Sorry, I just find that wicked funny in a cruel but silly sort of way. I bet he had the whole crew laughing at that. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/thumbsup.gif

Libby seemed rather smitten by him. When we were filming as she stopped being fussy the second he picked her up.The kid has taste. I wouldn't be fussy if he picked me up either. :p

[triplet]

HAHAHAHAHA!!! What a d!ck! LMAO!! Sorry, I just find that wicked funny in a cruel but silly sort of way. I bet he had the whole crew laughing at that. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/thumbsup.gif

I wouldn't have thought that funny at all. :mad: I don't care how good lookin' he is.


The kid has taste. I wouldn't be fussy if he picked me up either. :p

Although this is a cute anedote this isn't just because... This would be pretty common reaction for any baby.

There've been several studies done that the more symetrical a face is (and Tom's is very symetrical), the more good looking it's considered.

And this is something babies recognize without any cultural conditioning. They react to certain feature sets either positively or negatively. They almost always react very positively to good looking faces and almost always very negatively to ugly ones.

I think this story as good as proves scientifically that Tom is good looking since even a baby less than a month old can recognize it.

:D

But of course, we didn't need to have a baby tell us that which we already knew. :up:

[jas01724]

I wouldn't have thought that funny at all. :mad: I don't care how good lookin' he is.I must be infinitely evil, because I'd probably do something like that. It's completely harmless but it freaks people out big time...

*adjusts halo*

[triplet]

I must be infinitely evil, because I'd probably do something like that. It's completely harmless but it freaks people out big time...

*adjusts halo*

I wouldn't have been very happy after this... I'm not sure what I would have done, but I wouldn't have thought it funny.

[Serene]

*adjusts halo*

http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/haloslip.gif<-- ?James

;)