The Official Tom Welling Thread

[RakuMon]

Wow.
I tried to start one in Super-World, but that got closed too. I thought Super-World was a place to post ANYTHING Superman related. Guess not. Anyway, as I said in that thread, the Welling thread in the Superman boards was closed, but I found it to be more of a community thread than a casting thread. So in the spirit of community, I thought it deserved a second life. With nearly 8000 posts, it was the largest thread on the Superman movie forum. And I see no reason it shouldn't keep going. Remember, the movie isn't out until 2006, but Welling is playing young Superman RIGHT NOW!

To start things off, here's the clip of Flash's and Clark's race from "Run." I found it on K-site's message board:
http://www.pondwater.net/smallville-flash.mpg

[Serene]

Wow.
I tried to start one in Super-World, but that got closed too. I thought Super-World was a place to post ANYTHING Superman related. Guess not.

That does seem odd. I think the mods are very determined to limit all Welling talk to this forum.. I guess it's their call though.



Anyway, as I said in that thread, the Welling thread in the Superman boards was closed, but I found it to be more of a community thread than a casting thread. So in the spirit of community, I thought it deserved a second life. With nearly 8000 posts, it was the largest thread on the Superman movie forum. And I see no reason it shouldn't keep going. Remember, the movie isn't out until 2006, but Welling is playing young Superman RIGHT NOW!

Nearly 8000 posts.. if nothing else, Welling does inspire conversation. ;)

Thanks for starting a new Welling thread here, Lok.

To help start things off.. here's a fave manip I ended my postings on the Welling thread with:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/Serene23/tomrip16.jpg

[DIRECTOR]

i don't think we need a Welling thread because the whole forum is about welling and the characters of the Smallville

[Lara]

Hey we can have a thread if we want and I want this thread! Besides I plan on following his non Superman related projects. In fact I'm kinda glad he'll get a chance to do something else. I don't know what the spoilers rules are for this site, but next week looks incredible.

[AgentPat]

A thread specific to Welling in a forum set aside for Smallville discussion is just ducky, AFAIC. ;) Thanks Lokmon! Also, if I may suggest, folks should just let JcDc's thread fade into obscurity. It's not worth spending any time on.

[Superman1980]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/Serene23/tomrip16.jpg

that pic looks so cool, even if we'll never see it in real life

[RakuMon]

Do you think this thread will ever get to the same post count as the original? Coz honestly, the Welling thread was the only reason I ever posted on SHH.

[solidsnake86]

Is there a clip of him flying on the internet

[Serene]

Do you think this thread will ever get to the same post count as the original? Coz honestly, the Welling thread was the only reason I ever posted on SHH.

I doubt it will, there is much less traffic, therefore less drive-by posters in this forum. A lot of the die-hard comic fans really dislike SV because it isn't 100% canon with the Supes mythos in their heads. Their loss ;) .

[Timstuff]

http://www.oikourgos.com/sonic/images/welling_as_superman1.jpg

Tom Welling will always be Superman to me, even if that fool Bryan Singer can't see it. He chose Brandon Routh because he was an unknown. He said himself that from day one he would not even consider anyone with a decent resume for the role, which put Tom Welling out of the picture. Why, do you ask? Because Bryan Singer is making what he thinks Superman 3 should have been. Dan Harris said that the film takes place six years after Superman 2, and that General Zod may even be in it. They brought the donners on board as producers. Singer is using traditional wires and rigs for many of the flight shots, rather than green screen and CGI. He's getting Kevin Spacey to play a comical lex luthor. He even wants John Williams to score the movie. Why all this? Because he wants to make a sequel to Superman 2, because he sees himself as finishing what Richard Donner started, rather than making the first chapter in a completely new series. Singer's goal is only to live up to Donner's work, not to surpass it, because he thinks that the original movie is a sacred cow that cannot be tread upon. In my opinion this is setting the bar way too low.

Oh well, if Singer's movie is a dud, then maybe, just maybe... When Smallville is winding down near the end of it's sixth season, Warner Bros. will consider the possibility of a Superman movie set in the Smallville-verse, using all the cast of the show. After all, Buffy is probably going to get a cinematic sucsessor with the original cast re-united. If Smallville stays popular throughout it's latter seasons, Warners may consider giving it the Buffy treatment. It's a long shot, but the option is still there. Personally, I think that it'd be a much safer bet than trying to make a sequel to Singer's film, because it's doubtful that he will return for a second helping of Superman. He wants to do Logan's Run next, and I suspect that he sees his film as being a stand alone work; a book end to Superman 1 and 2. He probably won't see any reason why there should be a sequel, because he'll see it as a complete trilogy. If this happens, then Warners can either A) make a sequel without him, or B) clean the slate and make a movie in the Smallville-verse with Tom Welling, like they SHOULD HAVE DONE IN THE FIRST PLACE! You can probably guess which option I'd go with.

[Super_Ludacris]

We could use this thread to discuss Welling in general, you know his future after smallville and movie prospects.......same with Kristin Kreuk and Micheal Rosenbaum, I'll make a thread on those two

[Timstuff]

I doubt it will, there is much less traffic, therefore less drive-by posters in this forum. A lot of the die-hard comic fans really dislike SV because it isn't 100% canon with the Supes mythos in their heads. Their loss ;) .

http://www.oikourgos.com/sonic/images/supernerds.jpg

[Lara]

The JCDC thread pissed me off it's like he's stalking us just to be a pain in the ass. I am done with the movie forum. I don't have confidence in it now but even if I did I wouldn't want to be spoiled. I'm a Batman fan but I came here late and I don't want to know too much so I don't visit there. The Welling fan bashing got so out of hand. Timestuff you may have something there if Spacey is supposed to do a comedic Luthor I'll wait till video. I like it here though on K-site it seems to be mostly kids. I still post there but still it's nice to talk about Superman with fellow adults.

[JcDc]

If I was trying to stalk you I would have made a big freaking thread in the Superman forum about this. The only time I've spoke of Welling is when he's brought up relentlessly in the Superman forum. I made a thread in here for those that wanted to continue the Welling propaganda, but it needs to be seperated from the other forum. That is all.

[Serene]

If I was trying to stalk you I would have made a big freaking thread in the Superman forum about this. The only time I've spoke of Welling is when he's brought up relentlessly in the Superman forum. I made a thread in here for those that wanted to continue the Welling propaganda, but it needs to be seperated from the other forum. That is all.

There's no argument about the need for a thread here (since they shut us down in the other forum). What I find offensive is the title you chose for your thread. Perhaps you didn't mean it to sound like you were trying to rub it in that Welling isn't playing Supes, but it sure appears that way. The fact that you refer to any potential Welling thread as being "propaganda" doesn't help your case much either.

FWIW, I don't plan on using this thread to simply piss and moan about Routh, I'm hoping that he does a fine job as Superman and we have a great movie to enjoy when it's finally in the can.

[Gmanofsteel]

i miss the old thread............http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/cry4.gif

[The Incredible Hulk]

http://www.oikourgos.com/sonic/images/supernerds.jpg


LOL :up: I had some noob say that to me the other day when in fact I was probably following Superman while he was still sucking on his momma's teet

[riotgirl77]

IMHO I think Tom Welling is this Generation's (meaning the 2000s) Superman and who gives a **** if SMallville doesn't follow the Superman mythos inch by inch...I see it as a "what if?" Besides becoming a fan of Smallville has just gotten me wholly interested in the Superman mythos :)

[JcDc]

http://tinypic.com/dw3kx

[Serene]

I don't care how many posts you have under your belt.. you're acting like a troll.

[JcDc]

People are not being supportive of the new movie. I didn't get my favorite for the part, but I accept who was chosen was Singer's decision and he's a good judge of talent. We need to be supporting this movie that we've waited for.

[The Sage]

JcDc, vacate this thread permanently.

[JcDc]

Hey I didn't come into here, I was BROUGHT into the thread and it's really getting old to have you follow me in other forums and try to control what I say. :o

[The Sage]

Hey I didn't come into here, I was BROUGHT into the thread and it's really getting old to have you follow me in other forums and try to control what I say. :o

If I wanted to control what you say, I'd be a mod. :)

[Gmanofsteel]

Tom Welling for Supes!!!!! YYEAAAHHHHHH!! :D

[Superman1980]

Tom Welling for Supes!!!!! YYEAAAHHHHHH!! :D

give up, you've lost your fight lol :D

[Alexia Dark]

Maybe they'll pull a Spidey 2; Routh will have some sort of physical problem, and they'll offer the part to Tom instead. Except that Routh won't recover in time to make the film.

P.S. this doesn't mean I want something bad to happen to that Routh guy, 'cause I don't.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

This is a great idea ! I look forward in continuing our discussions about Welling and company hopefully without the company of the bashers.
As for the movie - I think Singer will make a good film with a good story and even better special effects but his Superman just doesn't do it for me.
It's funny that the bashers are all now demanding that we should let Routh a chance something they were never willing to do for Tom. And I think Welling supporters have shown their class by saying that and not being particularly hateful. That is why the "horrible" choice in the SHH poll hasn't got higher than it could have been if Welling supporters have voted in mass. Even so, just the fact that the "I don't know" got an overwelming result just shows how much ppl are not believing in this Superman too much.
I will see this movie mostly out of curiosity. I hope Routh does good for Singer and all the fans who trust him sake. Whay Huntress said has logic if you remember cases like Back To The Future and LOFTR where leading actors were replace while shooting had already started.
In conclusion I'm just gonna say that fortunatly we still have the tv show (and its dvds) and Welling in it and I want to thanked them and especially Tom for making me believe in Superman again, to making me go buy his comics and merchandise again.
You and Chris are forever in my humble opinion the one and only Supermen.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/theartist29/TomWellingsuperman12.jpg

[Lara]

I am a huge Smallville fan. I love the more grounded in reality take on Superman. It doesn't sound like the movie is going that direction. Besides there is a lot more to talk about with 4 seasons of Smallville than at the most 2 hour movie. From interview's he's done Tom has always been interested in making Clark a real person with flaws. I wonder if part of him turning it down (if he did) was because he has a different take on the character than Singer's reliving of the Donner films. I can't see him willing to play Clark super geeky.

[The Sage]

This is a great idea ! I look forward in continuing our discussions about Welling and company hopefully without the company of the bashers.
As for the movie - I think Singer will make a good film with a good story and even better special effects but his Superman just doesn't do it for me.
It's funny that the bashers are all now demanding that we should let Routh a chance something they were never willing to do for Tom. And I think Welling supporters have shown their class by saying that and not being particularly hateful. That is why the "horrible" choice in the SHH poll hasn't got higher than it could have been if Welling supporters have voted in mass. Even so, just the fact that the "I don't know" got an overwelming result just shows how much ppl are not believing in this Superman too much.
I will see this movie mostly out of curiosity. I hope Routh does good for Singer and all the fans who trust him sake. Whay Huntress said has logic if you remember cases like Back To The Future and LOFTR where leading actors were replace while shooting had already started.
In conclusion I'm just gonna say that fortunatly we still have the tv show (and its dvds) and Welling in it and I want to thanked them and especially Tom for making me believe in Superman again, to making me go buy his comics and merchandise again.
You and Chris are forever in my humble opinion the one and only Supermen.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/theartist29/TomWellingsuperman12.jpg

In response to this, I'll say one thing: If Singer had picked Welling and everything went through, I would've given him a chance. I may not be a Wellingite, but I'm a Superman fan, and with Singer as the director, I would've accepted his choice.

[solidsnake86]

Smallville is the only reason why I got into superman because it made the characters better in my opinion, something that the STM just never did for me. I really hope the movie is good, but we always have smallville which is getting better in my opinion

[AgentPat]

Posted by Jana over at DTS. I hadn't seen these before and figured you guys would appreciated 'em...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/hotnsexy_812/pictures/tw_wbpromo05.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/hotnsexy_812/pictures/tw_wbpromo.jpg

[Alexia Dark]

The first one's my favorite Tom pic ever. Thanks!

[King Krypton]

Just when you thought the rampant egomania and self-delusion couldn't get any worse...

Tom Welling will always be Superman to me, even if that fool Bryan Singer can't see it. He chose Brandon Routh because he was an unknown. He said himself that from day one he would not even consider anyone with a decent resume for the role, which put Tom Welling out of the picture. Why, do you ask? Because Bryan Singer is making what he thinks Superman 3 should have been. Dan Harris said that the film takes place six years after Superman 2, and that General Zod may even be in it. They brought the donners on board as producers. Singer is using traditional wires and rigs for many of the flight shots, rather than green screen and CGI. He's getting Kevin Spacey to play a comical lex luthor. He even wants John Williams to score the movie. Why all this? Because he wants to make a sequel to Superman 2, because he sees himself as finishing what Richard Donner started, rather than making the first chapter in a completely new series. Singer's goal is only to live up to Donner's work, not to surpass it, because he thinks that the original movie is a sacred cow that cannot be tread upon. In my opinion this is setting the bar way too low.

Oh well, if Singer's movie is a dud, then maybe, just maybe... When Smallville is winding down near the end of it's sixth season, Warner Bros. will consider the possibility of a Superman movie set in the Smallville-verse, using all the cast of the show. After all, Buffy is probably going to get a cinematic sucsessor with the original cast re-united. If Smallville stays popular throughout it's latter seasons, Warners may consider giving it the Buffy treatment. It's a long shot, but the option is still there. Personally, I think that it'd be a much safer bet than trying to make a sequel to Singer's film, because it's doubtful that he will return for a second helping of Superman. He wants to do Logan's Run next, and I suspect that he sees his film as being a stand alone work; a book end to Superman 1 and 2. He probably won't see any reason why there should be a sequel, because he'll see it as a complete trilogy. If this happens, then Warners can either A) make a sequel without him, or B) clean the slate and make a movie in the Smallville-verse with Tom Welling, like they SHOULD HAVE DONE IN THE FIRST PLACE! You can probably guess which option I'd go with.

REALITY CHECK:
1. Donner NEVER planned to do a trilogy. He and Tom Mankiewicz wanted to do a long-running series of Superman films. THIS IS FACT. The Superman Cinema site can verify this.
2. If Superman Returns fails, your wished-for Smallville: The Movie will NEVER happen, because WB will abandon the Superman mythos altogether out of the idea that the character doesn't sell anymore. And by the time they DO get around to reviving the character, it'll be at least 20 years from now, by which time the Smallville gang will be far too old to reprise their roles.
3. Welling has been said to not want to wear the Supersuit, and he's gone on the record with his disinterest in playing the adult Superman. Wizard ran an interview with him in which he said exactly that. If he doesn't want the role, then WB's hands are tied, aren't they?
4. Bryan Singer is not a "fool" because he doesn't share your EXACT viewpoint. That's the whole crux of your little ego-fest. You expected him to cater to YOUR vision of Superman. Guess what? He has his own opinions of the character. That's to be expected; no two fans share the exact same mindset. To expect him to think exactly howe you think, to want exactly what you want...THAT'S being a fool.
5. You're the type of guy who gives the Welling fans a bad name. Many of them AREN'T as egotistical and fanatical as you are. Many of them DON'T think they and they alone speak for the entire Superman fandom. So stop trying to paint yourself as the sole voice of the fandom.
6. Superman Returns will succeed or fail based on its own merits, NOT because of its ties or lack thereof to Smallville.

Now shut up and get over yourself.

[Serene]

Just when you thought the rampant egomania and self-delusion couldn't get any worse....

Uh huh..


REALITY CHECK:

2. If Superman Returns fails, your wished-for Smallville: The Movie will NEVER happen, because WB will abandon the Superman mythos altogether out of the idea that the character doesn't sell anymore. And by the time they DO get around to reviving the character, it'll be at least 20 years from now, by which time the Smallville gang will be far too old to reprise their roles..

Agreed.



3. Welling has been said to not want to wear the Supersuit, and he's gone on the record with his disinterest in playing the adult Superman. Wizard ran an interview with him in which he said exactly that. If he doesn't want the role, then WB's hands are tied, aren't they?.

Exactly when did that interview take place? Comments made pre-Singer may not necessarily reflect his feelings with Singer on board. I also think some of the comments he has made have been taken totally out of context when you read the full articles.


6. Superman Returns will succeed or fail based on its own merits, NOT because of its ties or lack thereof to Smallville..

Agreed again.


Now shut up and get over yourself.

Hmmm... :rolleyes:

[jas01724]

I also think some of the comments he has made have been taken totally out of context when you read the full articles.
9 times out of ten they're taken completely out of context and/or implication whether people read the whole article or not... he can be quite an enigma can that fella...

[Serene]

Posted by Jana over at DTS. I hadn't seen these before and figured you guys would appreciated 'em...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/hotnsexy_812/pictures/tw_wbpromo05.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/hotnsexy_812/pictures/tw_wbpromo.jpg


Thanks Pat.. you figured right. I have seen the one on the right before, but not the one on the left. Since my birthday ended about an hour ago, I'll consider that one my present. :)

[Lara]

Happy Birthday Serene! I have to start checking out DTS it seems like they get all this new stuff first. I also was going to start buying the magazine and now I'm behind =( I'm going to get the DVD set next month. Does anyone know why Tom's not doing any commentaries? I thought he did a fine job last time.

[AgentPat]

Happy Birthday Serene! I have to start checking out DTS it seems like they get all this new stuff first. I also was going to start buying the magazine and now I'm behind =( I'm going to get the DVD set next month. Does anyone know why Tom's not doing any commentaries? I thought he did a fine job last time.Happy B-Day, Serene! :D

Lara, the images on DTS are in the Welling section. (Duh! LOL)

The magazine is great. Cover to cover SV. Ya can't go wrong. ;) Totally worth the cover price.

I just noticed that Welling isn't listed on the commentaries myself. Hard to believe. That's pretty bad if he really isn't on the disc - when MR, JG and AM are. What's up with that? *sigh*

[The Batman]

"Tom Welling will always be Superman to me, even if that fool Bryan Singer can't see it. He chose Brandon Routh because he was an unknown. He said himself that from day one he would not even consider anyone with a decent resume for the role, which put Tom Welling out of the picture. Why, do you ask? Because Bryan Singer is making what he thinks Superman 3 should have been. Dan Harris said that the film takes place six years after Superman 2, and that General Zod may even be in it. They brought the donners on board as producers. Singer is using traditional wires and rigs for many of the flight shots, rather than green screen and CGI. He's getting Kevin Spacey to play a comical lex luthor. He even wants John Williams to score the movie. Why all this? Because he wants to make a sequel to Superman 2, because he sees himself as finishing what Richard Donner started, rather than making the first chapter in a completely new series. Singer's goal is only to live up to Donner's work, not to surpass it, because he thinks that the original movie is a sacred cow that cannot be tread upon. In my opinion this is setting the bar way too low.

Oh well, if Singer's movie is a dud, then maybe, just maybe... When Smallville is winding down near the end of it's sixth season, Warner Bros. will consider the possibility of a Superman movie set in the Smallville-verse, using all the cast of the show. After all, Buffy is probably going to get a cinematic sucsessor with the original cast re-united. If Smallville stays popular throughout it's latter seasons, Warners may consider giving it the Buffy treatment. It's a long shot, but the option is still there. Personally, I think that it'd be a much safer bet than trying to make a sequel to Singer's film, because it's doubtful that he will return for a second helping of Superman. He wants to do Logan's Run next, and I suspect that he sees his film as being a stand alone work; a book end to Superman 1 and 2. He probably won't see any reason why there should be a sequel, because he'll see it as a complete trilogy. If this happens, then Warners can either A) make a sequel without him, or B) clean the slate and make a movie in the Smallville-verse with Tom Welling, like they SHOULD HAVE DONE IN THE FIRST PLACE! You can probably guess which option I'd go with."

you're so goddamn pathetic. All you do is spout BS, and you're such a damn hypocryte.

You say hes a fool for not making a new chapter, yet you want Smallville the movie?! You're so full of crap, man. You dont even care about Superman! You just think you're an expert because you watch Smallville? In this week, you, YJ1, and muscles have given the Wellingites a bad name.

And Dont you DARE say you speak for the fandom.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

In response to this, I'll say one thing: If Singer had picked Welling and everything went through, I would've given him a chance. I may not be a Wellingite, but I'm a Superman fan, and with Singer as the director, I would've accepted his choice.

I know Sage, that comment wasn't directed at you.
I have a little problem when fans talk about "Smallville The Movie" because even when it's mentioned for a good reason it usually does more harm than good. First because it makes over-zealous Welling haters go overboard in posts that otherwise could've been alot more respectful (even if just a bit) and second because 90% of the Welling fans don't want "Smallville The Movie" even if they want Welling as Superman.
Thirdly even in theory it's kind of a ridiculous idea: why do it when we have the show on the air for it's fourth season and when it will possibly go even more ? The audience would want something different or else they won't pay for something they get for free on tv each week.
What some of us want (and it's almost maliciously misunderstood as wanting Smallville the movie by the bashers) is some of the actors from the show just based on the fact that we think they're the most qualified (examp: Schneider) and/or want to see how they progress in the story (examp: Rosenbaum) BUT in another type of story, in this case years further, with Clark now in Metropolis and as Superman not on the same premise as the show or even necessarily in it's continuity. That's my take on this whole Smallville The Movie controversy that's been going on here for quite some time.
As for the Welling comments regarding the movie, the suit and the character they've been all taken out of context even because most of them (the ones that were not were in the beginning of the show where I agree it would have been really premature to accept or when type-casting concerns would be more worrying) they were mostly done when negotiations where being held and nothing concrete could be said.
I think alot of ppl "gang'ed" on Tom just because he wasn't an avid hardcore Superman fan like most of us and he was open about it. I think it's better than to be politically correct about it and even "lie" (like some do) just to get the support of the fans. At least he was open about it but at the same time he was a fan of the movies and even used to dress as Superman when he was little. It also helped him in his more human (and not larger than life) portrayal of the character that won him the hearts of millions of fans - it made Superman (which at times lost fan base because of being such an invencible and iconic figure) someone that the average person could relate to, which is (to give an example) why Spider-Man is so successful in every medium. I think it was fair and wise for Tom to have some reservations in playing Superman in the movie because he really wants to build a career and is not just interested in money. He would have been a fool if he hadn't put things in perspective. Christopher Reeve had some good movies but he also had a lot of flops or less interesting movies and what made him live on on the hearts of ppl (and we have to be honest in this) was not only the fact that he was THE Superman but because of the courage and bravery to which he fought his paralysis (he then became as iconic as the character itself) or else we would have been more quickly forgotten unfortunatly.
But Tom's more recent comments have been alot more positive, he's has much knowledge of the comics and the mythology and also about the movie. He said on British radio that he would do it his best to try and do the role, A friend of mine met him in Vancouver and he told him that he doesn't really have a problem with being called Superman, he loves the character and his role in it's legacy and almost everywhere he goes he gets called that and not Tom or Clark. I loved how he talked about Superman being about hope on it's ABC interview and how he almost used the name Superman in every sentence in which he discussed the role or the show.
He met with Rattner to discuss the possibility of him doing his Superman. If he didn't like it or to use the suit he wouldn't even have gone there. He did decline McG which is not surprising given the quality of the script and the director. It's safe to say that he got in this recent race for the role because of his discussions with Singer and/or the fact that Singer was involved being a more accomplished director and after eventual conversations with Chris Reeve who became a sort of mentor to him.
Also he almost got the role and he practically announced it at CCA which got him in trouble. He wouldn't do that if he didn't like it.
I seriously think he didn't refused the role (and if he did, he did it to protect the jobs of the Smallville crew, period), I do believe he did sign with the notion it was a done deal and Warner then revealed it's second intentions which were to search an unknown and have Welling in their hands in case that failed. It could also be the case of Welling realizing this and when they came to him again, he refused due to being furious of being lied to (agravated by the problems he's been having with them) and making Singer and Warner go with the best of the tested unknowns which was Routh.
Painting him to be the bad guy in this (as it has been Warner's m.o. with every actor that leaves a franchise like Batman and others) makes the Welling fans with little to argue with (since the other party will certainly throw at their faces that Welling "didn't want it") and make them go quietly and even support this new Superman in which they don't believe in. This unfortunatly has been the case here - I was sad to see so many fans accept it and even blame TW for it. It makes me sad not because he is not Superman but because it's what Warner and the Welling haters want, so they can have their last laugh.
Also by keeping SV on the tv even if at the same time as the movie it also helps keep ppl shut up. Would you really think ppl would go so quietly if suddenly now Warner said SV ends now at ep.13 so not to confuse ppl regarding who Superman is and to erase Welling from their minds ? Somehow I don't think so... But that is just my humble opinion.

[Pickle-El]

Who knows if we'll ever get the whole story on Welling.

[Ardrhielle]

I just noticed that Welling isn't listed on the commentaries myself. Hard to believe. That's pretty bad if he really isn't on the disc - when MR, JG and AM are. What's up with that? *sigh*


*popping out of lurk mode*

Anyone have any ideas about this? I find it very curious too, that he's cancelling appearances on The View, not doing commentaries, and generally laying low (or so it seems). Coincidence? Maybe it's nothing, but it is curious, is it not? If any of the behind the scenes type rumors involving him and the S-V movie are true, maybe that's why he's avoiding things? I wonder if there are still snags with what may have or may not have happened with the movie stuff? Why all the silence? Anybody know a good entertainment lawyer? j/k :p
Or maybe his commentary will be in an easter egg....naw.
Perhaps his next job will be with Fox, or whomeverisntwarner. :)

[triplet]

I doubt it will, there is much less traffic, therefore less drive-by posters in this forum. A lot of the die-hard comic fans really dislike SV because it isn't 100% canon with the Supes mythos in their heads. Their loss ;) .Yep...

[triplet]

http://tinypic.com/dw3kx
Jeez! Just when I thought it was safe to come back into the water.

BTW: this manip is just dang creepy. Whoever did it should have taken the red out of his eyes and made them a less flourescent blue...

Routh looked hung over in that photo anyway, I wouldn't think it would work well for a manip unless you removed the red from his very dark brown eyes.

[Lara]

Did anyone else notice that his nose and lips are LARGER than Wellings HAHAHAH LOL. Somehow the anti Wellings aren't complaining. I think he looks like David Schwimmer anyone want to do a side by side of Super Ross. Ardinhielle- Hello. I wonder if he didn't like the job he did on the last commentaries or something. It does seem weird.I don't see how you could be too busy for a 45 minute commentary. I am pouting about it.

[The Incredible Hulk]

This is a great idea ! I look forward in continuing our discussions about Welling and company hopefully without the company of the bashers.
As for the movie - I think Singer will make a good film with a good story and even better special effects but his Superman just doesn't do it for me.
It's funny that the bashers are all now demanding that we should let Routh a chance something they were never willing to do for Tom. And I think Welling supporters have shown their class by saying that and not being particularly hateful. That is why the "horrible" choice in the SHH poll hasn't got higher than it could have been if Welling supporters have voted in mass. Even so, just the fact that the "I don't know" got an overwelming result just shows how much ppl are not believing in this Superman too much.
I will see this movie mostly out of curiosity. I hope Routh does good for Singer and all the fans who trust him sake. Whay Huntress said has logic if you remember cases like Back To The Future and LOFTR where leading actors were replace while shooting had already started.
In conclusion I'm just gonna say that fortunatly we still have the tv show (and its dvds) and Welling in it and I want to thanked them and especially Tom for making me believe in Superman again, to making me go buy his comics and merchandise again.
You and Chris are forever in my humble opinion the one and only Supermen.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/theartist29/TomWellingsuperman12.jpg


ugh it pains me everytime I see that manip to think what might have been. Routh better be undergoing one HELL of a makeover to look the part..

[Bruce_Wayne29]

*popping out of lurk mode*

Anyone have any ideas about this? I find it very curious too, that he's cancelling appearances on The View, not doing commentaries, and generally laying low (or so it seems). Coincidence? Maybe it's nothing, but it is curious, is it not? If any of the behind the scenes type rumors involving him and the S-V movie are true, maybe that's why he's avoiding things? I wonder if there are still snags with what may have or may not have happened with the movie stuff? Why all the silence? Anybody know a good entertainment lawyer? j/k :p
Or maybe his commentary will be in an easter egg....naw.
Perhaps his next job will be with Fox, or whomeverisntwarner. :)

I think it's safe to say he's laying low because whether it's on tv or on the street everyone will ask him why isn't he the one in the movie and he may be tempted to tell the whole story so it's better not to be out in the public eye at all. By doing this he's also doing Routh a huge favor. All one needs to do it take a look at the SHH poll. In between the "I don't know", "he's ok" and the "horrible" ppl are not too interested in this Superman especially now that Chris is gone. I tend to agree with Muscles that even the excitement in the boards diminished. I believe it is because of Welling not being chosen. So many ppl came here writing in the hope of their voice being heard and see their Superman of choice in the movie and even the bashers now don't have much to argue with because Welling supporters respectfully have left the discussions and there's not much to argue with anyway, Routh is younger and has even less esperience than Welling. Welling bashers loved to hate him. That is a testament of Tom Welling's greatness: he inspired great passion in love and hate.

[The Sage]

Actually I think the excitement over at the Supes boards has diminished because of two factors:

A) A lot of people leaving because their choice, whether Welling, JC or whomever wasn't chosen, so some feel they have no reason to stay, they didn't get what they want.

B) That's the regular flow. Over at the Bat boards, excitement came in bursts from news announcements. There were dry spells, yet once there was more news every other week or so, the boards were filled with activity.

I don't know about Welling's greatness: anyone can inspire great passion in love and hate. :)

[AgentPat]

I don't know about Welling's greatness: anyone can inspire great passion in love and hate. :)Meh. Not just anybody. It may not necessarily be "greatness," but there IS obviously something there that inspires such passionately heated debate between both sides. Name any other actor who's come even remotely close, never mind surpassing, the pervasive level of discussion both pro and con that Welling has inspired on Superman message boards. Ever. :D

The man reaches people regardless of race, gender, etc., and hits 'em on a gut level. There's something there, Sage. I don't know what it is, but it's definitely there.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Meh. Not just anybody. It may not necessarily be "greatness," but there IS obviously something there that inspires such passionately heated debate between both sides. Name any other actor who's come even remotely close, never mind surpassing, the pervasive level of discussion both pro and con that Welling has inspired on Superman message boards. Ever. :D

The man reaches people regardless of race, gender, etc., and hits 'em on a gut level. There's something there, Sage. I don't know what it is, but it's definitely there.

Yup, you said it better than myself. Not even with Cavill or Caviezel it got to that level. And I just have to add that both of them would also have been a better choice than Routh -That manip of him is beyond scary...

[triplet]

Yup, you said it better than myself. Not even with Cavill or Caviezel it got to that level. And I just have to add that both of them would also have been a better choice than Routh -That manip of him is beyond scary...
Yep. I agree.

From what I've read, Tom has a charisma in person that is palpable. You can feel it when he enters a room...

That presence carries over onto the little screen as well, I suppose.

Hopefully it will also do the same when he finally gets something bigger than that joke of a part he had in CBTD. If so, look out. He'll be a big star.

[jas01724]

The man reaches people regardless of race, gender, etc., and hits 'em on a gut level. There's something there, Sage. I don't know what it is, but it's definitely there.
Simple. The man has "IT."

Take Tom Cruise and Halle Berry, for instance. Some love them, some hate them, but few can deny that something about them causes people to care either way. Ditto TW. Very few WB stars have that, and it's THAT that gives people in Hollywood a successful career, not necessarily their talent or lack thereof. Successful actors have to make people care about them one way or another - remember, even negative publicity is good publicity in Hollywood.

As long as you don't murder someone or commit paedophilia...

[Serene]

BTW: this manip is just dang creepy. Whoever did it should have taken the red out of his eyes and made them a less flourescent blue...

He looks like a junkie out of the Dune novels...

[Serene]

Hello. I wonder if he didn't like the job he did on the last commentaries or something. It does seem weird.I don't see how you could be too busy for a 45 minute commentary. I am pouting about it.

Honestly, I didn't think him or Kristen did a very good job on the last commentaries, they seemed.. disinterested for much of it. I read somewhere that they recorded that they weren't all together when it was recorded. MR was great, he's a natural talker. :) I was really hoping that TW and KK would do more commentary though.. just to redeem themselves from the weak effort last time.

[Serene]

A) A lot of people leaving because their choice, whether Welling, JC or whomever wasn't chosen, so some feel they have no reason to stay, they didn't get what they want.

I agree that some are leaving because "they didn't get what they want," but I think there are also those that are leaving not so much because their guy didn't get it, but because they are disappointed with who did. I wish Routh and Singer all the luck in the world.. but I'm having a hard time working up any excitement over him being cast. I'm hoping that I'll be happier with the choices for Lex and Lois.

B) That's the regular flow. Over at the Bat boards, excitement came in bursts from news announcements. There were dry spells, yet once there was more news every other week or so, the boards were filled with activity.

This makes sense.. the tides of interest will ebb and flow. The suspense over the casting of Superman was certainly as high tide as it can get.

I don't know about Welling's greatness: anyone can inspire great passion in love and hate. :)

No.. not anyone. Again, I point out the sheer size of the former Welling Casting thread. Nothing came even close to it.. not even the wonderful and popular Manip. thread.

[Lara]

Simple. The man has "IT."

Take Tom Cruise and Halle Berry, for instance. Some love them, some hate them, but few can deny that something about them causes people to care either way. Ditto TW. Very few WB stars have that, and it's THAT that gives people in Hollywood a successful career, not necessarily their talent or lack thereof. Successful actors have to make people care about them one way or another - remember, even negative publicity is good publicity in Hollywood.

As long as you don't murder someone or commit paedophilia...
I so agree there's something there where you feel connected to him and actually give a care. I have no interest in celebrities but there's something about him that makes me want the best for him I actually feel some loyalty towards him. It's not just because I think he's hot either he also appeals to the mother in me (even though he's only 4 years younger). Kinda weird I've never been a "fan" of anyone.

[jas01724]

Exactly, it's the intangible that you can't quite place your finger on. Even if you dislike him, he has to have made you take notice in the first place!

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I agree that some are leaving because "they didn't get what they want," but I think there are also those that are leaving not so much because their guy didn't get it, but because they are disappointed with who did. I wish Routh and Singer all the luck in the world.. but I'm having a hard time working up any excitement over him being cast. I'm hoping that I'll be happier with the choices for Lex and Lois.


That was exactly what I was trying to say. And the politically correct "don't know yet" just continues to grow...
I think one of the reasons people seem to care so much about Tom is that he seems to be somewhat like Clark, a genuine good guy. Very simple, not too keen on going to parties and social events just to show off, always seen in Vancouver either at the supermarket or at the movies with his wife always by his side (by the way from what I was told my friend she also gets a big kick every time someone goes to him and ask him "Aren't you Superman", to which he gives a sincere smile, and says "yes, I am").
That is why Lara also might feel that motherly interest for him. The guy just seems very to be very humble and with integrity.

On a side note today I was re-watching "Red" and I just love his performance in that episode, he really seems different. Even my stepfather (we usually watch the dvds in family) who is more of a Rosenbaum fan couldn't take his eyes out of his performance and was really vibrating with every "bad" thing he was doing...lol

[The Incredible Hulk]

As long as you don't murder someone or commit paedophilia...

and even then they'll still give you an award for your directorial prowess *cough*Roman Polanski*cough*

[JcDc]

Ok too much arguing boths sides just laugh at this

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/simonpimpernel/WANTED.jpg

[jas01724]

Oh, that image is so funny that I fell down and hurt myself. :rolleyes:

Little point though. This isn't a "Tom Welling for Superman in the new movie" thread, it's simply a "Tom Welling, star of Smallville" thread, in the Smallville forum, oddly enough. Lest you've forgotten, on Smallville he is indeed going to be Superman, so he's not inpersonating anything.

Buzz off and quit trying to be a smart ass when you're really, really not one. Or at least not smart - the latter part is debatable.

[The Sage]

Wow, James OWNS. :D

How do you know he's gonna be Superman on the show? :confused:

[jas01724]

How do you know he's gonna be Superman on the show? :confused:
On the show, I don't know for certain although it's quite likely. But on the show's timeline and continuity, of course Clark Kent becomes Superman and Lex Luthor attempts to beat his butt with a whi... um, kryptonite.

So yeah, in Smallville continuity Tom Welling's Clark will become Superman. Which means that in THIS forum, Routh is the impersonator...

[The Batman]

Routh isnt an impersonator. He's simply the Superman in another medium....

[The Navigator]

The Routh guy they have playing Superman looks like a compelte nerd. Fine for Clark Kent, but...Superman?

And Personally? I think Clark should go with Lois. It's meant to be. I have a feeling.

[jas01724]

Routh isnt an impersonator. He's simply the Superman in another medium....
Yeah. Missed the sardonic irony in my post, me thinks...

Of course both Routh and Welling are Clark Kent/Superman in different mediums, yet Welling is an impersonator according to our loveable pest JcDc. So fair's fair. Logic tells you that if one is impersonating the other, then both are.

[The Navigator]

Yeah. Missed the sardonic irony in my post, me thinks...

Of course both Routh and Welling are Clark Kent/Superman in different mediums, yet Welling is an impersonator according to our loveable pest JcDc. So fair's fair. Logic tells you that if one is impersonating the other, then both are.

Hmmm......good point. Get Routh out in '04. Vote for Welling...it's a vote for Super.

[JcDc]

Wait a second, I didn't even make that manip. I only posted it in light of all the arguing going on :mad:

[The Navigator]

I know that. I thought it was funny. That said, out with Routh.

[jas01724]

Wait a second, I didn't even make that manip. I only posted it in light of all the arguing going on :mad:
I don't think anyone said you made it... but you did post it, as you obviously think it's a) true, b) funny, or c) both.

Of course it's none of those things, so your little joke falls flat like a house of cards, especially considering that it's completely irrelevant to the purpose of this thread.

[JcDc]

I don't think anyone said you made it... but you did post it, as you obviously think it's a) true, b) funny, or c) both.

Of course it's none of those things, so your little joke falls flat like a house of cards, especially considering that it's completely irrelevant to the purpose of this thread.

Maybe a) You are to serious b) You need a sense of humor c) both.

[jas01724]

Hint: My sense of humour is fine when things are actually, y'know, funny. You might want to try that some time. ;)

[The Sage]

On the show, I don't know for certain although it's quite likely. But on the show's timeline and continuity, of course Clark Kent becomes Superman and Lex Luthor attempts to beat his butt with a whi... um, kryptonite.

So yeah, in Smallville continuity Tom Welling's Clark will become Superman. Which means that in THIS forum, Routh is the impersonator...

I doubt they'll show him in the suit, now that the film has been cast. Personally, I never really wanted to see the suit on the show. I guess me, being a comic fan, was hoping for a bittersweet ending similar to the comics, with Clark flying Lana over Smallville after revealing himself to her. Although now it's looking more and more that the show could possibly end with the FOS.

[The Sage]

Hint: My sense of humour is fine when things are actually, y'know, funny. You might want to try that some time. ;)

OUCH. OWNED! :D

[JcDc]

OUCH. OWNED! :D


That deserves an owned statement?

No let's be honest... I think you use me as a smoke screen (so you can get in your comments, and look innocent since you slam me) and it's starting to get on my nerves :rolleyes:

Check out the first thread this popped up in

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63656&page=289&pp=25

Who is that laughing at it?

Everyone, including a certain guy named "sage1047"

--- Would you like the rest of your ownage in a nifty carry out box?

[jas01724]

Although now it's looking more and more that the show could possibly end with the FOS.
I thought every episode ended with a boring scene in the barn. ;)

Oh, you mean the real FOS. Yup, looks like it could be.

[jas01724]

Check out the first thread this popped up in

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63656&page=289&pp=25
Problem is that you failed the first hurdle of humourous manips: context. In the context that manip was originally posted in, on the *Movie* forum, it's damn funny.

Here? Not so much.

[Serene]

Problem is that you failed the first hurdle of humourous manips: context. In the context that manip was originally posted in, on the *Movie* forum, it's damn funny.

Here? Not so much.

Well that's it exactly, isn't it? Context is everything. I honestly don't know if Jc posts crap like that here to be a big jerk or if he is genuinely trying to be funny. My instinct is that he's being a jerk, but I admit, I could be completely wrong.

[JcDc]

I know that. I thought it was funny. That said, out with Routh.


jas thinks you have no sense of humor because you found it funny in the context I gave it. :o

[The Sage]

That deserves an owned statement?

No let's be honest... I think you use me as a smoke screen (so you can get in your comments, and look innocent since you slam me) and it's starting to get on my nerves :rolleyes:

Check out the first thread this popped up in

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63656&page=289&pp=25

Who is that laughing at it?

Everyone, including a certain guy named "sage1047"

--- Would you like the rest of your ownage in a nifty carry out box?

Actually I was referring to his statement about you trying to be funny and he says you're not.

I found the pic to be quite funny actually. :D

You know you my number three guy JcDc. :)

[JcDc]

Well that's it exactly, isn't it? Context is everything. I honestly don't know if Jc posts crap like that here to be a big jerk or if he is genuinely trying to be funny. My instinct is that he's being a jerk, but I admit, I could be completely wrong.


I think the overly fanatic Welling fans are being defensive :o It's kind of like Bush and Kerry jokes that go around. Some people like me can find pics of both funny where as one who's to far on either side will be upset and not find the humor. :o

[JcDc]

Actually I was referring to his statement about you trying to be funny and he says you're not.

I found the pic to be quite funny actually. :D

You know you my number three guy JcDc. :)


number three? Meh, beats being your number two I suppose :o

[The Sage]

And JcDc, you know if I wanted to slam someone I'd do it. :D

[The Sage]

number three? Meh, beats being your number two I suppose :o

Well actually I'm being bribed to not make you my number two by a hidden source. :(

[JcDc]

And JcDc, you know if I wanted to slam someone I'd do it. :D


I know but, maybe it's a conspiracy theory mentality that I feel like a smoke screen to your ambush :p

[jas01724]

jas thinks you have no sense of humor because you found it funny in the context I gave it. :o
"Jas" said no such thing, but i'm glad that you stoop to putting words in others' mouths with alarming frequency. :)

In context it's a damn funny manip. So quit being an uppity nit about Welling fans being defensive. You're clearly only here to cause trouble, which in and of itself shows a level of immaturity that I would usually think is impossible for someone who doesn't still have an umbilical cord.

[The Navigator]

...ouch. Flame-fest.

[The Sage]

I know but, maybe it's a conspiracy theory mentality that I feel like a smoke screen to your ambush :p

*snickering* :D

[Serene]

I think the overly fanatic Welling fans are being defensive :o

"Overly fanatic Welling fans?"
A) Bite me.
B) I guess you've answered my question about your jerk vs. clueless status.

[JcDc]

"Overly fanatic Welling fans?"
A) Bite me.
B) I guess you've answered my question about your jerk vs. clueless status.


jas has started a multiple choice craze :eek:

a)ha ha
b)lol

[jas01724]

jas has started a multiple choice craze :eek:
Tragic, ain't it? :cool:

[Serene]

Tragic, ain't it? :cool:

Incredibly. And yet, somehow still amusing. ;)

[JcDc]

Incredibly. And yet, somehow still amusing. ;)


Agreed ;)

[jas01724]

You know, vBulletin even has a tag for creating a list properly...

So we all friends? And no more silly pictures that make no sense? Great!

[JcDc]

Pictures that don't make sense suck. That's why I'm posting this one, it makes perfect sense thank God :up:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/puck420/well1.jpg

[jas01724]

Hate to argue, but um... aside from it being a picture of Michael Rosenbaum and Tom Welling, it's intent is still not relevant to a *SMALLVILLE* forum. Once again, it's a picture that's referring to the movie.

Context is your friend. Live it, love it, learn it.

[JcDc]

I know what you mean, it's kind of like this picture

http://tinypic.com/ehb9k

Where is the context? That's a shame :o

[jas01724]

I know what you mean, it's kind of like this picture

http://tinypic.com/ehb9k

Where is the context? That's a shame :o
Nah, I like this one. Clark's kicking himself over not following Lana into the girls locker room after she waved to him in gym class... Pete got some instead.

(You have proven that you're intending to antagonise though. Good for you, that got you put on probation once before if I remember correctly. ;))

[JcDc]

Nah, I like this one. Clark's kicking himself over not following Lana into the girls locker room after she waved to him in gym class... Pete got some instead.

(You have proven that you're intending to antagonise though. Good for you, that got you put on probation once before if I remember correctly. ;))


If you look back on the thread it's pretty obvious it's not just one person antagonizing.

[jas01724]

If you look back on the thread it's pretty obvious it's not just one person antagonizing.
Bully for you. You reap what you sow.

[AgentPat]

Eh. The attempts to antagonize Welling fans for his not being in the film are ridiculous. Hello? He already IS Superman - and very much known for it. Just think of all the actors out there who won't - and will NEVER - be able to say that. The list can start with Mr. Law and work its way all the way to Mr. Caviezel for all we care. Keep that in mind folks. It's quite a small and elite club, and Tom is a member for life. In-at 'pecial? :D

Here's an oldie but a goodie. Clark who? ;)

http://www.celebrity-exchange.com/celebs/photos38/tom-welling-kristen-kreuk-2.jpg

[jas01724]

*pouts*

I like it when Jc antagonises me, it means I get to say something in return. Don't dish out what you can't take, that's been my mantra since time immemorial.

As for Tom, I wonder what movie role he WILL be doing.

*ponders*

Oh, and Pat... don't tell Jc that Tom's already Superman, apparently the truth has a tendency to overload his cerebral cortex. ;)

[AgentPat]

*pouts*LOL! Y'know James, I picture you sitting there with a pouty face now. Too damn funny.

As for Tom, I wonder what movie role he WILL be doing.I hope he goes for an action flick. I just caught Van Helsing on DVD tonight. Not the greatest film ever - by a LONG shot - but it *was* entertaining. Lots of eye candy. I'd love to see Tom do something along those lines, except with a better director and story. Anything action/sci-fi/fantasy oriented and I'll be in my happy place.

Oh, and Pat... don't tell Jc that Tom's already Superman, apparently the truth has a tendency to overload his cerebral cortex. ;)I've noticed that happens with a LOT of people on this board. The WHOLE board. :rolleyes:

Nighters all. It's WAY past my bedtime.

[JcDc]

We all know he isn't Superman already. He's playing Clark Kent in smallville only. He doesn't wear the suit, doesn't have his own job at The Planet (though he keeps meeting everyone as a teenager :rolleyes: )... It's a wb freak of the week tv series, that of which I do actually enjoy watching, it's good for what it is. It just wouldn't work for the big screen.

[jas01724]

LOL! Y'know James, I picture you sitting there with a pouty face now. Too damn funny.
I do a good pouty face! Ask my mum.

I hope he goes for an action flick. ... Anything action/sci-fi/fantasy oriented and I'll be in my happy place.
I'd like a complete change of pace as he's already doing action/sci-fi. He's also proven he can do rom-com, so i'd quite like to see see how he'd handle a period piece.

We all know he isn't Superman already.
There you go being self important again. At this point in time, of the three people currently in this discussion, 2 think that for all intent and purpose he's already Superman. One doesn't. Your "we" suddenly sounds a little exaggerated.

[JcDc]

Well here is the cast list for ya. Notice it doesn't say Superman anywhere :o
--
Credited cast:
Tom Welling .... Clark Kent
Kristin Kreuk .... Lana Lang
Michael Rosenbaum .... Lex Luthor
Sam Jones III .... Pete Ross (2001-2004)
Allison Mack .... Chloe Sullivan
Eric Johnson .... Whitney Fordman (2001-2002)
John Glover .... Lionel Luthor (2002-)
Jensen Ackles .... Jason Teague (2004-)
Annette O'Toole .... Martha Kent
John Schneider .... Jonathan Kent
(more)--




P.s. pwnage :p Now I'll leave you to your thread to discuss Welling's role as a 27 year old teen Clark Kent on tv who's yet to become Superman :)

[jas01724]

And Clark Kent is who, precisely?

p.s. How exactly do you get pwnage when you ignored my very deliberate quantifier that he's Superman "for all intent and purpose"? He doesn't have to literally BE Superman in order for most people besides yourself and the anally retentive to consider his as such.

James' Hint #2: To pwn someone you first have to fully comprehend what they actually said...

p.p.s Quoting IMDb? My, how your credibility takes a tumble.

[triplet]

We all know he isn't Superman already. He's playing Clark Kent in smallville only. He doesn't wear the suit, doesn't have his own job at The Planet (though he keeps meeting everyone as a teenager :rolleyes: )... It's a wb freak of the week tv series, that of which I do actually enjoy watching, it's good for what it is. It just wouldn't work for the big screen.
This argument is utterly ridiculous...

Of course Clark Kent is superman. Superman is Clark's alter ego in the post crisis continuity (if I'm not mistaken), not the other way around.

Go post arguments like this where people will agree with you.

****. This is the very reason I took a week off from this place. I don't want it constantly said "I told you so!" and this is exactly what you're doing.

I sort of had a grudging respect for you and your seemingly inane devotion to Jude Law. Other than an occassional, I don't think so, I never told you you were demented for having this loyalty. Law would have been a very interesting choice, maybe too short, but he would have done very well otherwise.

But what did we get the whole time? You're crazy, and he can't act and he's wrong for this reason, or no way because of that reason.

Finally, when I heard Routh had gotten it. I thought all the negativity would finally be over and actually, despite my disappointment, said out loud to my self: "Thank God, that's over!"

However, I quickly found out how little I really know people. I had no idea that people would really care anymore what we thought or how we felt.

Instead of comisserating with each other, as we should, that one of our favorites for the part is not THE ONE, you come over and gloat and rub it in. Even implying that we are some how lacking for brain cells for even having wanted TW as Superman in the first place.

I've argued this all before over on the now defunct, and perhaps rightly closed, Welling Casting thread and thought I'd never have to again so I won't. You know my reasons for wanting him, and I know your reasons for wanting Law.

Go back to the Superman film forum to agrue about this or post those less than witty (in this context, not even close to being funny) manips.

This is the Tom Welling thread in the Smallville forum. Why won't you let us talk about him without bringing up the whole casting thing again? It only riles emotions better left unriled.

God, I was feeling really good until I came in here and found this drek on the Welling thread.

I had just finished my last rewrite of my spec script and was sending it off to a friend for a final proof read. That's the only reason I'd be up this late on a work night so I was really proud and satisfied and you totally ruined it, you ass.

I'm taking a month off of this place this time. Maybe by then all this bull**** will be over and done with.

[The Sage]

Eh. The attempts to antagonize Welling fans for his not being in the film are ridiculous. Hello? He already IS Superman - and very much known for it. Just think of all the actors out there who won't - and will NEVER - be able to say that. The list can start with Mr. Law and work its way all the way to Mr. Caviezel for all we care. Keep that in mind folks. It's quite a small and elite club, and Tom is a member for life. In-at 'pecial? :D

Here's an oldie but a goodie. Clark who? ;)

http://www.celebrity-exchange.com/celebs/photos38/tom-welling-kristen-kreuk-2.jpg

TV's new Superman. And here I thought magazines were calling him this generation's Superman. Well, that calms that down.

Later.

[The Sage]

Of course Clark Kent is superman. Superman is Clark's alter ego in the post crisis continuity (if I'm not mistaken), not the other way around.



Well actually, that was the way it was in Post-Crisis. But Birthright brought back the Superman/Clark Kent disguise.

I see it another way. IMO, there are three personalities. There's the PUBLIC Clark Kent, which acts more as a disguise, Superman, which is closer to Clark's real personality but more confident, and the REAL Clark Kent, which is who he is when he's alone or with people who knows his secret.

[jas01724]

I see it another way. IMO, there are three personalities. There's the PUBLIC Clark Kent, which acts more as a disguise, Superman, which is closer to Clark's real personality but more confident, and the REAL Clark Kent, which is who he is when he's alone or with people who knows his secret.
Well then I go the simple route; they're all Kal-El, and whomever plays Kal-El is playing all other variants of that character by default. Including Superman.

[Gmanofsteel]

Welling Damnit!!!!!!!!!!!

[AgentPat]

Now I'll leave you to your thread to discuss Welling's role as a 27 year old teen Clark Kent on tv who's yet to become Superman.Thank GAWD! Now scram! :D
We can only hope you abide by your parting words.

Sheesh!
Okay, where were we? Oh yeah...

I'd like a complete change of pace as he's already doing action/sci-fi. He's also proven he can do rom-com, so I'd quite like to see how he'd handle a period piece.I wouldn't mind a GOOD rom-com, but very few directors can do that well. Seems like most have an easier time blowing up cars. LOL

And Clark Kent is who, precisely?Clark Kent is Superman. Superman is Clark's alter ego in the post crisis continuity (if I'm not mistaken), not the other way around.Beat me to it. :) As much as I prefer CK as the disguise, the fact remains, they're one in the same being. And as James pointed out, BOTH are Kal-El when you come right down to it.

I'm taking a month off of this place this time. Maybe by then all this bull**** will be over and done with.Oh, Triplet, just ignore him. We have a forum here where discussion about SV AND Superman is allowed - for obvious reasons. I may not post that much right now (Fall/Holiday season is very busy for us - lots of staging going on, so I don't have the time to post), but I do still read. Most folks here are pretty level-headed and post interesting comments. Just ignore the trolls.

TV's new Superman. And here I thought magazines were calling him this generation's Superman.They are. That Rolling Stone cover is from 2002, if I'm not mistaken. :p

MUST we argue this? Again? Here? Come on Sage. This is stupid, pointless, and it wastes bandwidth. Not to mention the fact that it's been BEATEN into the ground. Clark Kent IS Superman, and vice versa. And, it's not the suit, or the flying, or working at the Daily Planet that defines him.

...Wait, I believe I've already commented on this in another thread. I'll just quote myself; it's easier than retyping it:

For me, it doesn't matter whether he's seen on TV, film, or in comic books - Superman is as real as the individual wants him to be. Just because a film has a higher budget and reaches a larger audience, it doesn't necessarily mean its version of Superman is any more "official" than the ones drawn in comic books or seen on TV shows (with or without the suit.)

Superman is a paradigm for hope, ideals, and being a good person. He's all about truth, principle and ethicality. He leads by example, and is led by his own integrity, honor and conviction. These concepts are easily lost in the mainstream audience. But if a whole new generation of fans have been introduced - or reintroduced as the case might be - to who Superman is and what he represents through the power of a tv show, then I believe it to be a legitimate argument for those fans so touched to view that show's icon as their generation's Superman. If he's not yours, so be it. We all don't have to agree. Twenty years from now, I'm sure there will be another Superman for folks to look up to, and he won't be Welling, Routh, Reeve or any other name we know of today. Superman is an enduring myth, and just like the character, he'll be around for a very very long time.

[The Sage]

They are. That Rolling Stone cover is from 2002, if I'm not mistaken. :p

MUST we argue this? Again? Here? Come on Sage. This is stupid, pointless, and it wastes bandwidth. Not to mention the fact that it's been BEATEN into the ground. Clark Kent IS Superman, and vice versa. And, it's not the suit, or the flying, or working at the Daily Planet that defines him.

...Wait, I believe I've already commented on this in another thread. I'll just quote myself; it's easier than retyping it:

I'm done arguing over the topic, Pat. I just never saw the covers of magazines that said such. I wonder if we'll see one in the future with both Routh and Welling on the cover. It could be something like: "Every generation deserves a Superman. Well this one gets two Count'em, two Supermen!" It would be a cool cover and they can do an interview and such. I'd pay to get that magazine.

[The Sage]

Well then I go the simple route; they're all Kal-El, and whomever plays Kal-El is playing all other variants of that character by default. Including Superman.

That's pretty slick. :up:

[Serene]

We all know he isn't Superman already. He's playing Clark Kent in smallville only.

*sigh* There is this same stoopid argument in the Brandon R. thread in the Superman foum right now. For those who may not have seen it - someone posted a list of everyone who has played Supes before, and of course.. immediately someone said that Tom W. doesn't belong on it since we don't see him as Superman on the show. I pointed out the 3rd season ep, Hereafter, where we see Clark's supposed "death" (or non-death, actually), and all we are shown is the RED CAPE WITH A YELLOW \S/ on it. I even posted the pic... You would not believe the responses. The anti-Welling prejudice of some people is just ridiculous.
Here's the pic:
http://www.jeffersonfreestate.org/zcaps/smallville/hereafter/smallville_hereafter_z_036_1.jpg

[Serene]

I'm taking a month off of this place this time. Maybe by then all this bull**** will be over and done with.

Aww, trip.. don't let the actions of one trollish poster push you over the edge. Stay here and play with us.. on the edge. :)

[Serene]

P.s. pwnage :p Now I'll leave you to your thread to discuss Welling's role as a 27 year old teen Clark Kent on tv who's yet to become Superman :)

That's about the most pathetic attempt at pwnage.. ever. I can practically hear you stamping your little foot! :joker:

Don't slam the door on your way out.

[Serene]

I wouldn't mind a GOOD rom-com, but very few directors can do that well. Seems like most have an easier time blowing up cars. LOL


I think a rom-com would be awesome, but really good ones are a rarity these days. A nice indie, with decent mass exposure and publicity would be a nice start. OR a humungo blockbuster with a big cast would be a another good way to go.. Oceans 11/12-like.. where he wouldn't necessarily have to carry the film, but would reap the benefits of a widely seen flick.

[Serene]

I hope he goes for an action flick. I just caught Van Helsing on DVD tonight. Not the greatest film ever - by a LONG shot - but it *was* entertaining. Lots of eye candy.

It was fun, great special effects.. but oh man.. that dialogue! Yikes!

Some of the accents were making me cringe as well...

[Bruce_Wayne29]

*sigh* There is this same stoopid argument in the Brandon R. thread in the Superman foum right now. For those who may not have seen it - someone posted a list of everyone who has played Supes before, and of course.. immediately someone said that Tom W. doesn't belong on it since we don't see him as Superman on the show. I pointed out the 3rd season ep, Hereafter, where we see Clark's supposed "death" (or non-death, actually), and all we are shown is the RED CAPE WITH A YELLOW \S/ on it. I even posted the pic... You would not believe the responses. The anti-Welling prejudice of some people is just ridiculous.
Here's the pic:
http://www.jeffersonfreestate.org/zcaps/smallville/hereafter/smallville_hereafter_z_036_1.jpg

I love that image on that episode even though I thought it would be more dramatic if they just showed images of ppl in shock and one image of Metropolis in wreck with a figure (Superman) laying down on the ground symbolizing his death to the hands of Doomsday...
But that was their way of sneaking a little of Superman in the show and it was really cool.

[AgentPat]

I just never saw the covers of magazines that said such.Welling has been on the covers of a LOT of magazines. I'm unaware of any that say "this generation's Superman" however, or something along those lines. If the phrase is mentioned at all, it's usually in the accompanying article. Most mags just print his name in tiny letters (if it's printed at all - note the Rolling Stone cover) and some combination of "Clark Kent," "Superman," or "Smallville" in bold to get people's attention.

The argument I was referring to was the whole "he's not playing Superman yet," or some derivative of that debate. It just gets tiring after a while, y'know? Not only is "young Superman" part of the WB's official description for Welling's character on the show, but viewers would have to be pretty freakin' dumb, in denial, or just a troll to argue that he's not. It's really just semantics. Lois may not officially coin the name till Clark shows up in Metropolis, but that doesn't change who he is, how he acts, and what he does.

I wonder if we'll see one in the future with both Routh and Welling on the cover. It could be something like: "Every generation deserves a Superman. Well this one gets two Count'em, two Supermen!" It would be a cool cover and they can do an interview and such. I'd pay to get that magazine.Well, I would too. But don't hold your breath. Rumor has it that Warners will not be doing any official publicity for the film till after it's shot. Compound this with their desire to put as much distance between film and skein, and it's re-heeeely doubtful that they'd be okay with Welling and Routh appearing together on the cover of a magazine. Wow, how to confuse the public, ahuh! What might be more likely is seeing both together at some industry or media event, unrelated to SV or Singer's film - after principal on the latter is completed. Just a hunch. And I'm sure the paparazzi would have a field day with that "unintentional" meeting. ;)

[Lara]

With the recent report that Routh signed on for 3 movies I'm actually becoming glad that Welling didn't sign. Why should he play the same character for his entire career? If they wanted to own someone's career Routh had little to lose. I'm not really into rom/com and I think he's already earned his cred in the scfi genre so a heavy drama or a period piece would be nice. I for one actually resonnate more with television than film. I think people are being really silly to act like because Routh will be in the movie it is automatically more important to the character. Smallville will survive on cable repeats and DVD. Most of what I remember pop culture wise from my childhood are television shows. It is a more intimate and personal form of entertainment that people invest much more time in.

[muscles]

Wouldnt it be funny if smallville goes 10 yrs!

[The Batman]

no...it'd just be stupid

[AgentPat]

*sigh* There is this same stoopid argument in the Brandon R. thread in the Superman forum right now. For those who may not have seen it - someone posted a list of everyone who has played Supes before, and of course.. immediately someone said that Tom W. doesn't belong on it since we don't see him as Superman on the show...Argh! I should have known better. I think *I* actually started that ball too. I came across an article about past Supermen, complete with comments from Steve Younis. Was a fun read. The list was incomplete though, which of course spurred the requisite addendums.

Anyway, I just got back from reading that thread. *sigh* is right. Those who are bemoaning Welling's inclusion on the list obviously aren't Superman fans, or they know very little about the character. They have no appreciation for what's on the inside because they can't get past what's on the outside - or what's *not* on the outside, as the case may be. :rolleyes:

[Lara]

I find that completely incomprehensible am I two seperate people the teenage me and the adult me? :rolleyes: Of coure not it defies rational thinking. People are one unique person throughout their entire lives. There is no event that makes Superman. You can have Peter Parker before he becomes Spiderman. Kal-el is Kal -el from birth. Superman is a suit, a role not a seperate person. His powers are inherinent with his alien birth.

[The Sage]

Superman is more than a suit.

[jas01724]

or what's *not* on the outside, as the case may be. :rolleyes:
You mean they're complaining about Kal-El being naked all the time? Tsk tsk, some people have no sense of adventure.

*hackcough*

[The Navigator]

Superman is more than a suit.

...he's also a cape. :D

JK.

[jas01724]

Routh signed on for 3 movies
Ding ding! Cacophony of bells ringing in my head. Tom only wanted to do two... something that's been bothering me makes some semblance of sense now.

[The Sage]

Ding ding! Cacophony of bells ringing in my head. Tom only wanted to do two... something that's been bothering me makes some semblance of sense now.

Could that be another reason?

[jas01724]

Could that be another reason?
That would be enough to be THE reason.

[The Sage]

That would be enough to be THE reason.

Sounds feasible.

[The Navigator]

Yes, indeed. I still say they should have signed WElling. If the first two movies had done well, chances are he'd make a third. Instead they get geek-boy.

[jas01724]

I'm not up for any more *****ing/making jokes/being antagonistic about who was cast and who wasn't, but i'm always up for discussing things that, you know, aren't intended to piss people off.

When it was discussed that Tom had signed something, it seemed likely that he'd signed for two. Now did he drop out, or was he dumped? If WB suddenly decided they wanted a three picture deal and Tom wouldn't agree, it would be the latter. Game over.

They'd kill his contract because of their own change of mind... which would be typical.

[The Navigator]

I'm not up for any more *****ing/making jokes/being antagonistic about who was cast and who wasn't, but i'm always up for discussing things that, you know, aren't intended to piss people off.

When it was discussed that Tom had signed something, it seemed likely that he'd signed for two. Now did he drop out, or was he dumped? If WB suddenly decided they wanted a three picture deal and Tom wouldn't agree, it would be the latter. Game over.

They'd kill his contract because of their own change of mind... which would be typical.

They might have dropped it due to scheduling conflicts with Smallville. It doesn't look likely that that show's gonna cancel any time soon, and doing a big TV show and a movie tends to run actors into the ground, energy-wise.

[Serene]

When it was discussed that Tom had signed something, it seemed likely that he'd signed for two. Now did he drop out, or was he dumped? If WB suddenly decided they wanted a three picture deal and Tom wouldn't agree, it would be the latter. Game over.

This same thought crossed my mind when I read about the 3 picture deal. That's a HUGE commitment for any actor to make. Still.. it would have been sweet to see him do this upcoming film, then a BvS film, and that's it. Maybe that's what he was hoping for as well.

All water under the bridge now...

[AgentPat]

When it was discussed that Tom had signed something, it seemed likely that he'd signed for two. Now did he drop out, or was he dumped? If WB suddenly decided they wanted a three picture deal and Tom wouldn't agree, it would be the latter. Game over.

They'd kill his contract because of their own change of mind... which would be typical.I could see it happening that way. In fact, I'd be lying if it didn't cross my mind a few times after reading about Routh's 3-pic deal. But Warners *always* wanted the actor (whomever that ended up to be) to commit for three. They (allegedly) compromised with Welling because they (allegedly) wanted him for the role, and he (allegedly) was only willing to work with Singer anyway.

In any case, while I'd bet dollars to donuts the two vs. three pic contract factored into the larger equation, something tells me it wasn't the *only* nail driven into that coffin. Something else happened, me thinks. Welling was (ahem... allegedly) WAY to deep into things for Warners to change their minds over a contract that had (allegedly) already been agreed to, if not just verbally, and everybody short of a few Warner execs, who (allegedly) had issues with the casting, was happy.

I think I just broke a record in rumorville. LOL

[Timstuff]

Routh is in for three movies? That's interesting, seeing as Bryan Singer will probably only do one. :o

[The Sage]

He's signed for two, Timstuff.

[The Sage]

Come on now guys, let's not start another war. Let's face it, if Singer was blown away by Routh's screentest, than that means the guy has some skills, and saying he sucks based on two to four year material isn't going to cut it. Let's stop, be happy, enjoy both SV and SR(Superman Returns). Smallville helped being Superman back to the public, Superman Returns will continue to provide Superman to the public when SV is over. As long as the legacy of Superman lives, we all win.

Peace? :)

[jas01724]

They (allegedly) compromised with Welling
Oooh, they made a compromise! Hee, I know they did, but that makes a nice change given their track record...

they (allegedly) wanted him for the role
They'd hardly make a compromise if they *didn't* want him. :p

he (allegedly) was only willing to work with Singer anyway.
Dis is not wholly true - basically he just wanted a decent director. McGerm doesn't fall into that category.

Welling was (ahem... allegedly) WAY to deep into things for Warners to change their minds over a contract
Wanna bet? ;)

that had (allegedly) already been agreed to, if not just verbally
Aha! If he agreed to a contract that was a compromise, and then they get their big idea that someone else would be (almost) as good without any compromise being involved at all, whattheygonnado? Contract Schmontract.

everybody short of a few Warner execs, who (allegedly) had issues with the casting, was happy.
Those few Warner execs could be the difference between a green light and a red light, so their opinion matters. A lot. Even if they should just sit up in there offices accepting their salary without having any involvement...

[jas01724]

Come on now guys, let's not start another war.
Eh, don't intend to. I'm really happy with Routh and I don't want any arguments over "ooh, so and so should have been cast instead." That said, I am quite interested in discussing why Tom would have dropped out/been kicked out. That has nothing to do with Routh and everything to with WB's generally bad reputation...

Besides. I have a fair idea what went on.

[AgentPat]

Come on now guys, let's not start another war...

Peace? :)Hey, I'm all for that.

[scratches head]
So, um... what's there to talk about now? J/K ;)

[reviews thread for more fodder for discussion; finds a doozy]

You mean they're complaining about Kal-El being naked all the time? Tsk tsk, some people have no sense of adventure.Are you kidding? With that body, he isn't naked enough. LMAO!!! :p :D

[AgentPat]

I am quite interested in discussing why Tom would have dropped out/been kicked out.Same here. Your counterpoints make sense, James. Who knows, it might have happened just that way. If I recall correctly, Singer met with Routh very shortly after the casting calls went out, which was right after Welling's pow wow w/ TPTB.

[jas01724]

Are you kidding? With that body, he isn't naked enough. LMAO!!! :p :D
And they also need new photographers for shooting those nude scenes. Most of the ones they have now are WAY too tall.

Your counterpoints make sense, James.
Of course they do! :p (Wow, being self-aggrandising made me feel a little like Jc. I won't be doing THAT again in a hurry.)

Imagine the scene: Their #1 candidate, a nice young man named Thomas, has agreed to do two movies because he'd like some sort of life after it's over and done with. This is fine until suddenly, out of the blue, those fickle twits over in the WB high-rise decide that they really would like three movies after all. They can't force Tom to accept an amended contract, and they don't want to keep his old one, so they have to wave bye bye and ship him back off to Vancouver.

And we're left with Bryan looking for someone who looks the part, can act the part, and won't mind being locked into a pair of tights for ten years... hope he's not too desperate to use the bathroom.

[The Sage]

Here's what I've heard: He didn't want to screentest. If he had screentested, the role would've been his. Any thoughts?

[AgentPat]

And they also need new photographers for shooting those nude scenes. Most of the ones they have now are WAY too tall.The photographers are too tall? Or they make photos of Welling look too tall? Me confoozed.

And we're left with Bryan looking for someone who looks the part, can act the part, and won't mind being locked into a pair of tights for ten years...*siiiiiiiiigh*

Could be. Hey, if you ever get a definitive answer, let us know eh? Would be satisfying on many levels to know what really happened and be able to put this mystery to bed.

[jas01724]

Here's what I've heard: He didn't want to screentest. If he had screentested, the role would've been his. Any thoughts?
That always sounded way too simple for me... can't place a finger on it, but it seems too easy. There is more to this than meets the eye, no question.

The photographers are too tall? Or they make photos of Welling look too tall? Me confoozed.
Ahem. They need photographers who can shoot those nude scenes from a slightly lower vantage point. His abdomen is all well and good, but, well... *cough*

[AgentPat]

That always sounded way too simple for me... can't place a finger on it, but it seems too easy. There is more to this than meets the eye, no question.Agreed. It's almost laughable. Not wanting to screen test? Meh. There are undoubtedly more details being left out if this was truly one of the bones of contention.

Ahem. They need photographers who can shoot those nude scenes from a slightly lower vantage point. His abdomen is all well and good, but, well... *cough*[slaps head] Ohhhhh! Got it. [wink wink] LOL

BTW (being serious for a moment - if that's possible considering this line of discussion LOL), I wonder if Tom does a lot of bench presses? I mean, a LOT! He seems to have an unusually deep chest, which is disproportionate to the rest of his body. Kinda odd. Sexy, but odd. Just an observation. Don't beat me up for it. ;)

[jas01724]

I wonder if Tom does a lot of bench presses? I mean, a LOT! He seems to have an unusually deep chest, which is disproportionate to the rest of his body. Kinda odd. Sexy, but odd. Just an observation. Don't beat me up for it. ;)
Oh, you mean the "top-heavy" phenomenon that i've mentioned before over on KSite? Where he has almost spindly legs but a HUGE chest? I call it the Weeble effect... Weeble's wobble but don't fall down, or some such nonsense.
Anyhoo, whether or not it's bench presses I couldn't tell ya, but it's definitely something. Looking at his older model pictures, his build is fairly broad boned but very slim and sinewy, like he has trouble putting any real fat or bulk onto his frame. I suspect he finds it pretty difficult to bulk up a lot, just as he probably couldn't get fat even if he wanted to... with a build like that it's quite difficult to build up the legs, and becoming top-heavy is all too common if you do too much cardio and not enough lifting with your legs, which I suspect is his problem.

My build now is similar to his when he was really slim, so I know how difficult it is to put any weight on.

[uGa2000]

Where he has almost spindly legsI don't make it a habit of checking out men's bodies, but with Welling being naked in every other episode, you can't really help it if you watch Smallville. Either way, I certainly wouldn't call Tom Welling's legs spindly. Barney Fife had spindly legs.

Looks pretty well proportioned to me.

http://www.tomwelling.com/media/Gallery/stills3_28.jpg

He might be slightly larger in the upper body, but here sure isn't spindly. He's pretty good sized man, legs and all. He's no hulking beast. But far larger than Routh.

Although at this point, it doesn't matter one bit. Routh is Superman, for better or worse.

[uGa2000]

That said, I am quite interested in discussing why Tom would have dropped out/been kicked out.
Bottom line. Welling did not want to be Superman. He even said as much in interviews. Had no interest in the part. It's a simple as that.

[jas01724]

Bottom line. Welling did not want to be Superman. He even said as much in interviews. Had no interest in the part. It's a simple as that.
That's not the bottom line at all, and I'm getting a little bored with the either/or thinking that most seem to have. 99% of people who are asked will say, flat out, that he either did or didn't want it. Read back through my posts and you'll find that i've been quite adamant that he didn't WANT it, but not wanting something doesn't automatically mean that you're going to turn it down out of hand if the offer is good enough.

There's such a thing as being on the fence, not particularly caring either way. If you were to ask Tom, "do you want to do the new Superman movie," I'm sure you'd get a shrug at best, but if you asked him, "would you be willing to do it," you might be surprised by the answer.

And on the legs thing - I'm also bored with people not taking into account exactly what I said when they reply that I'm wrong. The "almost" part of my comment about "almost spindly legs" was there for a reason, that being that no, his legs aren't *actually* spindly, but compared to the rest of his body they sure aren't all that big. It was meant solely as a descriptive comparison, not as statment to be taken literally, hence the inclusion of the qualifier - besides which, the angle of that photo is poor; try looking at a picture viewed from the side, like this one:

http://www.boomspeed.com/jamesascott/weeble.jpg

He looks like he's about to overbalance. Pat made a fair point that he has a disproportionately large chest, and I'm inclined to agree. It doesn't bother me in any way, but I notice it nonetheless.

[Lara]

As I mentioned earlier I think a 3 picture deal would have been a mistake for Tom career wise. Purely as a bussiness decision on the WB's part keeping a sucessful TV show on their network AND signing someone for all 3 pictures probably for less money just makes sense. About Tom's legs I have never seen a man that tall with any larger legs. IMHO I am impressed that they are as large as they are it is very hard for men of that height to have muscular legs as he does. Ok now I have to look closer at his chest to see what I think oh darn......the things I'll do for research =)

[jas01724]

IMHO I am impressed that they are as large as they are it is very hard for men of that height to have muscular legs as he does.
Indeed, although as I mentioned before, it's not so much the height as it is his build. If you see a 6'4 man who's built like a sumo wrestler, he will have bigger legs, but many tall men are naturally slim, and as you'd expect the legs follow suit as they're just about the hardest part to really add bulk to. It is impressive that his quads are as big as they are, but it's still a case of chicken legs in comparison to the upper body. His legs are just as toned as the rest of him though...

Personally I preferred it when he had a little less in the chest area.

[The Incredible Hulk]

He's signed for two, Timstuff.


2 movies: One is Superman, the other is Logan's Run. Singer isnt signed for 2 Supes films

[The Sage]

2 movies: One is Superman, the other is Logan's Run. Singer isnt signed for 2 Supes films

That's right, I forgot about Logan's Run.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

About the screentest: if we were to believe that he did refuse to test, as I previously stated I agree with him given the fact that he had made an agreement either signed or not that he was gonna play Superman. Given the fact that he almost gave it away at the CCA's I'm pretty sure it was something significant that made him realize that the role was his. After all the problems he and Warner have been having and they always chasing him to do the role and when he does, they go on a nationwide rampage to find an unknown for the same role he's supposed to have been guaranteed to play ? You can talk about how Batman Begins also made ppl sign things in case Warner wanted them but it's not really the same thing because all actors for Batman did the casting at around the same time frame. It was a normal casting from day one. THEY didn't came to Bale (or any other actor for that matter) first, made him agree to play the part and then and only then announce a casting.
To me plain and simple they wanted to secure Welling as the fall back guy in case they didn't found anyone else because they're so eager to make another franchise and make money in an area that Marvel now dominates. The only way they manage to make Tom sign for something was making him believe he was the only one they came to and that the role was his. After that, they could do whatever they wanted and continue with their plan. I can't blame Tom if he refused to screentest after being jerked around like that.
On another note regarding the screentest: if we are to believe every rumour (such as this one where he refused to screentest) we also have to believe that he already did under McG. We all heard like he even did publicity shots for the movie with Beyonce, how he was the one in which the suit looked better and even how in some angles he was resembled Reeve so much it was scary. Just a thought. ;0)

[The Sage]

I don't know about that. It's still sketchy. Heck, Welling's involvement in this is sketchy. We know he met with Ratner, possibly tested or refused to test with McG. I'm starting be more inclined with James' theory about him not wanting to do three films. Maybe afterwards, WB decided they wanted to do three instead of two, and Welling decided against it, only was willing to do two, and they parted ways cleanly.

Still weird.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I think WB should just be hoping that the first one does well at this point, before they start worrying about #3. Supes fan base isnt what it used to be, and now that a certain portion of the newer fanbase feels somewhat alienated (not saying I do, I've just been doing a LOT of reading at various places since the announcement) who knows how this thing is going to turn out? Then again I'm not really sold on Batman Begins being the monster hit that some here are making it out to be, so maybe I'm just a skeptic... :cool:

[Ardrhielle]

About the screentest: if we were to believe that he did refuse to test, as I previously stated I agree with him given the fact that he had made an agreement either signed or not that he was gonna play Superman. Given the fact that he almost gave it away at the CCA's I'm pretty sure it was something significant that made him realize that the role was his. After all the problems he and Warner have been having and they always chasing him to do the role and when he does, they go on a nationwide rampage to find an unknown for the same role he's supposed to have been guaranteed to play ?
To me plain and simple they wanted to secure Welling as the fall back guy. The only way they manage to make Tom sign for something was making him believe he was the only one they came to and that the role was his.


Since we have no definite recent input from the parties involved, I tend to wonder if this mess is yet cleaned up completely. If it is true, and WB did jerk him around like that, (if I were in that situation) I'd get a really good entertainment lawyer. Maybe this is why no one official is "allowed" to talk about it? I dunno. Just conjecture.
Most actors can and do talk about things they've auditioned for, quite readily, once the part is already cast. (or should I say "casted" just to get someone's dander up and sound like I'm a12yearoldgrammarschooldropout ...hee...but I digress). Instead, we've seen cancellations of appearances and quite a big effort not to talk about it. I don't blame the guy either. I knew casting in Hollywood could be very political, but I had no idea it could get THIS convoluted.
Of course, either or both parties could have had out clauses in the contract...
I have nothing personal against Routh, he's just an actor who did the best he could with what was in front of him. Most actors have very little influence in the final decisions. He just isn't my idea of Superman, that's all. It would still be affirming to know how the tides turned, and why.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I will have to agree with Hulk: they should be more worried that the first one does good. The Batman example is a very relevant one - I'm a big Batman fan and I'm hoping BB would bring Batman back with a bang but I don't know for sure if that will happen (I see this movie doing at least 200 plus worldwide but more than that who knows ?), ppl's interest in Batman movies falled alot and even with the amazing cast/director the movie is having (worldwide I mean) a very low profile compared to Burton's Batman where everybody and I meant EVERYBODY knew a Batman movie was coming. Getting back to Superman when Chris died, they wrote on the paper that they were turning Superman into a gay icon so you get the drift...
But with Warner (and even with Marvel at some extent) they're only worried about making the biggest amount of money possible. I think 2 picture deal is a very good one. They do the best they can with the first, put it out, if it does great, they do the second one, if it doesn't do as great, they can try better the next time around. And after that and only then you would have to think about the third one.
A 2 picture deal avoids an actor having to be forced into Batman and Robin type situations and sign only if he feels he likes the project. I'm sure that if Tom would have liked the third one (script, director wise) he would have signed. I don't blame him for hesitating on signing for a third one if indeed that was the case. Warner and Super-heroe franchises in general have a tendency to go from good to worst with each sequel.
You can now have the opposite: if the majority of the fans don't buy into Routh (they don't seem to do already) what does it matter if he signed for 3 pictures or not ?

As for the entertainment lawyer thing: the fact is Tom doesn't have enough pull in the business yet. He may be silent because a public fight with a big corporation like Warner could cost him dearly as far as career opportunities. But if one day he does get bigger and with more prestige we might hear the complete story.
I personally feel that this silence is a form of protest for what is happaned (sometimes silence can speak louder than words) and at the same time respect for Routh (if he comes out everybody will ask him why he wasn't cast instead)

[Gmanofsteel]

tom welling for superman !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[uGa2000]

He looks like he's about to overbalance.
Nothing in that picture shows me he has skinny legs, so I don't know what you're looking at. He doesn't have huge legs, but they seem right for his body. As for his chest, if you saw tonight's Smallville episode, you could clearly see he's well proportioned and has a symetrically muscular build. You talk like he has a grotesquely out of proportion chest. His arms, delts, chest, and back all look the right proportion to me.

http://img36.exs.cx/img36/9303/magazine74.jpg

Looks fine to me. Either way, it just isn't a big deal and I don't even know why I'm talking about his legs. Who cares? Maybe if I was gay, I would care.

but not wanting something doesn't automatically mean that you're going to turn it down out of hand if the offer is good enough.
I'm going by what has come out of his own mouth. What exactly are you going by? As for Tom Welling screentesting or not, do you guys have sources for all of this stuff, or is this more speculation? I'm asking sincerely.

[jas01724]

Nothing in that picture shows me he has skinny legs
Care to tell me where I used the word "skinny"? Once again i'll point out that what I said was a term of comparison, not a literal statement. His legs are small IN COMPARISON to his upper body, but no, they're not *actually* small - and I never said they are.

You talk like he has a grotesquely out of proportion chest.
Again, would you like to point out where I said that? I said he's disproportionate, but I don't recall saying he looks bad, or using any word that can be mistaken for "grotesque."

Looks fine to me.
That picture is close to three years old, well before he had bulked up. Does his chest look as big in that picture as it does now?

Maybe if I was gay, I would care.
Comments like that one can get you warned around here, just FYI.

I'm going by what has come out of his own mouth.
Me too, as well as other things.

What exactly are you going by?
Would you like a list? Speaking to him once or twice, speaking to people who know him, speaking to casting agents who have dealt with him... and that's not even close to being the full list.

As for Tom Welling screentesting or not, do you guys have sources for all of this stuff, or is this more speculation? I'm asking sincerely.
See above.

[Lara]

I love the new build but here's my question why? He's not going to be in the Superman movie. He was already muscular. Does he personally want to be that big? Is he going to be in another movie where he's going to need to be that big? Does he think it's needed to show Clark's aging. I can't think of many actors that muscular in fact unless he wants to only play larger than life characters might it not harm his career. I repeat I love it but I'm curious.

[The Sage]

Maybe he was just bulking up for the role, since it would make sense that Clark gets bigger as time goes on. If he does choose to become a full fledged actor, he'll most likely end up doing whatever his future roles call for, dropping or gaining weight.

[Zing79]

Must say, his acting is improving considerably over time. I dare say if this show goes just one more year, he'll have improved enough that he'll be a full fledged and credible actor by its end.

[AgentPat]

I love the new build but here's my question why? He's not going to be in the Superman movie. He was already muscular. Does he personally want to be that big? Is he going to be in another movie where he's going to need to be that big? Does he think it's needed to show Clark's aging. I can't think of many actors that muscular in fact unless he wants to only play larger than life characters might it not harm his career.Welling's definitely a big man, no doubt about it, but he's not Ahhhnuld sized. LOL His improved physique over the last four years is undoubtedly due to improved instruction and increased training for his SV character. How much spill-over there was in preparation for the film role is debatable, but he could probably step into the role right now and be fine. An interesting advantage.

As to his physique limiting his options, I think it's just the opposite. He's already got the sex symbol thing going for him as well as a pretty extensive fan base thanks to SV. His appearance and current popularity, coupled with an innate sincerity in character, will likely drive his career as a leading man.

If he does choose to become a full fledged actor...:rolleyes:

Sage, you kill me. ;) I *know* what you meant, but Welling already IS a "full fledged" actor. It's not like he's been kicked off a soap opera or something, y'know?

Oooo... My bad. LOL :D

[retracts claws]

[The Sage]

Sage, you kill me. ;) I *know* what you meant, but Welling already IS a "full fledged" actor. It's not like he's been kicked off a soap opera or something, y'know?

Oooo... My bad. LOL :D

[retracts claws]

:mad: :D

[JackMercy]

I love the new build but here's my question why? He's not going to be in the Superman movie. He was already muscular. Does he personally want to be that big? Is he going to be in another movie where he's going to need to be that big?

And it's time for... Five Questions!

--He was obviously bulking up for something (additional)...

--He was close to being (and still may be someday, who knows?).

--Sure, but this additional "advantage" (as Pat called it) would have been...useful, due to the current schedule of the project.

--He obviously didn't mind it, or he wouldn't have done it.

--Not requiring those specificities...

:cool:

[Serene]

I *know* what you meant, but Welling already IS a "full fledged" actor. It's not like he's been kicked off a soap opera or something, y'know?
[retracts claws]


LOL! Sadly enough.. we all know.


;)

[The Sage]

LOL! Sadly enough.. we all know.


;)

Yet the kicked off guy somehow pulled a great performance for a director...;)

[Serene]

Yet the kicked off guy somehow pulled a great performance for a director...;)

He certainly did. I'm glad Bryan found someone he's happy with, who was willing to do it.

[The Sage]

Me too.

[Lara]

[QUOTE=AgentPat]Welling's definitely a big man, no doubt about it, but he's not Ahhhnuld sized. LOL His improved physique over the last four years is undoubtedly due to improved instruction and increased training for his SV character. How much spill-over there was in preparation for the film role is debatable, but he could probably step into the role right now and be fine. An interesting advantage.

As to his physique limiting his options, I think it's just the opposite. He's already got the sex symbol thing going for him as well as a pretty extensive fan base thanks to SV. His appearance and current popularity, coupled with an innate sincerity in character, will likely drive his career as a leading man.Quote

I'm just basing that off of what people in articles were saying about Hugh Jackman that he was too muscular for Bond and other roles.( before he slimmed up after Wolverine) I think standards have changed I remember Ben Afflck(whom I hate) used to be told he was too tall for leading man roles. Anyway I just threw it out there.

[Gmanofsteel]

Tom Welling should be superman....Singer and the WB dropped the....i fear in its get smashed.

[The Batman]

The right guy got picked to play Superman. And that guy wasnt welling. Thats who the majority of the Superman fans wanted. not Welling, the right guy.

NUFF SAID.

[The Sage]

Tom Welling should be superman....Singer and the WB dropped the....i fear in its get smashed.

You need to get over this. WB didn't go with the popular choice, they went with who they thought were right for it.

[Steelsheen]

i walk in here, looking for good a good picture of Welling to put up on my JL list against Routh, and here i see the anti-Wellingites are still in full swing.

i dont get you guys. this is now the right thread in the right forum and y'all just cant stay away from pickin an argument can ya?

*shakes head*

[The Sage]

i walk in here, looking for good a good picture of Welling to put up on my JL list against Routh, and here i see the anti-Wellingites are still in full swing.

i dont get you guys. this is now the right thread in the right forum and y'all just cant stay away from pickin an argument can ya?

*shakes head*

It's what I do. :p

Nah just kidding.

[solidsnake86]

I know, for people who hate Welling so much they sure like to talk about him

[Serene]

The right guy got picked to play Superman. And that guy wasnt welling. Thats who the majority of the Superman fans wanted. not Welling, the right guy.


The majority of Superman fans, huh? And you know this because...?

[The Batman]

If a bunch of Welling fanboys want to lie and say all the superman fans wanted welling, then i can say that the majority of the superman fans wanted whoever was going to play the role best...

And I know this because thats what most people here have said.

[triplet]

Aww, trip.. don't let the actions of one trollish poster push you over the edge. Stay here and play with us.. on the edge. :)
Mmm.... I snuck in here on invisible mode to see what was going on. I might just relent and stay around.

I was really angry at JcDc, he killed my buzz big time about finishing my script but the victriol seems to have petered out a bit. I can't believe people are still arguing about this, though.

Clark not superman because he's not wearing tights? Silly. Superman is as much a part of him as his bulletproof skin and spit curl, he doesn't have to wear the blue tights to be Superman.

He's always Superman because it's who he is, not what he wears.

It's like the Queen of England: isn't the Queen of England still a sovereign even when she's not wearing her crown and ermine robes? She just looks more the part when all dolled up, the same with Clark and the tights.

Clark never stops being who he is, despite what part he's playing or what he's wearing at any one particular point.

[triplet]

Maybe I spoke too soon about the victriol having petered out....

[Serene]

If a bunch of Welling fanboys want to lie and say all the superman fans wanted welling, then i can say that the majority of the superman fans wanted whoever was going to play the role best...

And I know this because thats what most people here have said.


:eek:There's so much wrong with that post that I can't even begin to explain it.

[Serene]

He's always Superman because it's who he is, not what he wears.



Wee! So good have Triplet back. :D

[triplet]

Wee! So good have Triplet back. :D

Thanks... here I am posting on this board instead of working on my next script... bad triplet. Bad.

:D

[triplet]

I know, for people who hate Welling so much they sure like to talk about him
Ironic, ain't it?

[Thunder Emperor]

Mmm.... I snuck in here on invisible mode to see what was going on. I might just relent and stay around.

I was really angry at JcDc, he killed my buzz big time about finishing my script but the victriol seems to have petered out a bit. I can't believe people are still arguing about this, though.

Clark not superman because he's not wearing tights? Silly. Superman is as much a part of him as his bulletproof skin and spit curl, he doesn't have to wear the blue tights to be Superman.

He's always Superman because it's who he is, not what he wears.

It's like the Queen of England: isn't the Queen of England still a sovereign even when she's not wearing her crown and ermine robes? She just looks more the part when all dolled up, the same with Clark and the tights.

Clark never stops being who he is, despite what part he's playing or what he's wearing at any one particular point.




Well said girl well said.


I was having the same argument with my buddy the other day. Superman is who clark really is,not the farcade he puts up at work or school becasue. he ws brought up that way by the kents. Lol just liek me ;) . you can clearly see that in the last smallville eps, when he offered to help lionels cellmate get out of prison. and still at the end of the eps, he aske dlex to hell him out. so you see clark and superman are one. but the farcade of clumpsiness or shyness he puts up,is just to protect his identity. ;)

[AgentPat]

Y'know, I've quite intentionally TRIED to avoid the continued war that seems to never end both here and on other boards, but I just had to say something at this point. Am I the ONLY person who raised an eyebrow over the latest promo image of Routh as posted by Warners? Was this intentional? I ask in all seriousness. Please be honest here and don't view this post as coming from yet another jaded Welling fan. (I am SO not going to argue with people who want to pick a fight for the helluvit.) But I did find this to be rather blatant...

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/smallville/s4-clark4.jpg

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-lives/brandon-routh2.jpg

Color, clothing, expression... could they have mimicked the Welling photo any more blatantly? I presume there was a reason for this? (rhetorical question with an obvious answer) :rolleyes:

[Thunder Emperor]

Y'know, I've quite intentionally TRIED to avoid the continued war that seems to never end both here and on other boards, but I just had to say something at this point. Am I the ONLY person who raised an eyebrow over the latest promo image of Routh as posted by Warners? Was this intentional? I ask in all seriousness. Please be honest here and don't view this post as coming from yet another jaded Welling fan. (I am SO not going to argue with people who want to pick a fight for the helluvit.) But I did find this to be rather blatant...

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/smallville/s4-clark4.jpg

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-lives/brandon-routh2.jpg

Color, clothing, expression... could they have mimicked the Welling photo any more blatantly? I presume there was a reason for this? (rhetorical question with an obvious answer) :rolleyes:


Preach on Pat, its quite clear what WB is doing, which is....... well I dunno.


All i can say is that Routh just doesn't look it, you seen his new photo on IMBD. can you get it and post it her

[jas01724]

I don't know whether it's just that I dare to say things that other people won't, or whether there's something that gives people an unfathomable inclination to argue with me, but every time I make a seemiingly innocuous and inane comment (such as agreeing with Pat that Tom has a large chest IN COMPARISON to the rest of him) I almost always end up having to defend my position for page after page of posts even though there shouldn't be anything to defend in the first place.

Likewise I get crap from people for something as inane as my avatar... i'm sick of it, and the atmosphere around here has indeed changed thanks to certain people - not that those same people weren't always an irritant. I'm really tempted to join Triplet in taking an extended (or permanent) hiatus from this place, because if I don't i'll probably end up getting myself banned anyway.

On the subject of those promo pics, check out A LOT of WB's more recent promos. They seem to be on a dark angst kick lately - cloudy skies, black shirts, deep-cast shadows. It's not just the Smallville/Superman pics. That said, and regardless of how much they're trying to separate the show from the movie, it would be remiss of them to not cash in on the show's appeal and acknowledge that the two actors are playing one and the same character. I suspect the similarity is deliberate, but not necessarily indicative of anything.

[Thunder Emperor]

I don't know whether it's just that I dare to say things that other people won't, or whether there's something that gives people an unfathomable inclination to argue with me, but every time I make a seemiingly innocuous and inane comment (such as agreeing with Pat that Tom has a large chest IN COMPARISON to the rest of him) I almost always end up having to defend my position for page after page of posts even though there shouldn't be anything to defend in the first place.

Likewise I get crap from people for something as inane as my avatar... i'm sick of it, and the atmosphere around here has indeed changed thanks to certain people - not that those same people weren't always an irritant. I'm really tempted to join Triplet in taking an extended (or permanent) hiatus from this place, because if I don't i'll probably end up getting myself banned anyway.

On the subject of those promo pics, check out A LOT of WB's more recent promos. They seem to be on a dark angst kick lately - cloudy skies, black shirts, deep-cast shadows. It's not just the Smallville/Superman pics. That said, and regardless of how much they're trying to separate the show from the movie, it would be remiss of them to not cash in on the show's appeal and acknowledge that the two actors are playing one and the same character. I suspect the similarity is deliberate, but not necessarily indicative of anything.


true,but not sure of what you meant in your first paragraph there.
:batman:

[JackMercy]

Pat's got a good point there about the photos.

However so does James.

It was probably JP's doing...

"Hey Brian, if you're not going to do the costume in black, at least give me the satisfaction of showing Routh's first major promo pic in black!"

BTW, that's about the extent to which JP will be involved in this project.

:cool:

[The Incredible Hulk]

uggh that Routh picture posted next to Welling's just grates at me even more. Like i've said before, Brandon better be undergoing one HECK of a makeover for this thing

[Bruce_Wayne29]

uggh that Routh picture posted next to Welling's just grates at me even more. Like i've said before, Brandon better be undergoing one HECK of a makeover for this thing

Ditto buddy. It just isn't Superman to me. And it does seem they're trying to imitate Welling's photo. I just think back of that Welling/Rosenbaum picture posted here earlier and think the line Rosenbaul should be saying is "What the hell was Singer smoking ?!"

[Serene]

uggh that Routh picture posted next to Welling's just grates at me even more.

The phrase, "pales in comparison" comes to mind.. :rolleyes:

I'm pretty sure Routh will look sufficiently buff, and hopefully have that smartass look wiped off his face, by the time he dons the suit. If not, the padding will make up for any shortcomings.

[AgentPat]

Regarding the similarity in photos, would both divisions be using the same dark angsty approach? And if so, WHY would they want to cement such an image in people's minds for a film about Superman? Batman, I can see. Even SV. But Superman? Eh.

As far as the makeover thing is concerned, gawd, I HOPE so. I hope Routh at least goes in for a Rhinoplasty. And no, I'm not trying to be mean. Michael Bay had Ben Affleck get a whole new set of teeth implants (a painful and EXPENSIVE procedure) so Affleck would look better for Armageddon. Getting a nose job is a no-brainer - or "no-honker," as the case might be. ;)

It still saddens me greatly that Welling won't be in the pic. Well... barring runaway busses that is. (inside joke - n'mind). I think back to August and how excited the boards were. Sure, there were folks crying in their soup - you can't please ALL the people, ALL the time - but the level of joy was definitely up for many, many people.

I know I'm drifting off topic here, but I hope folks don't mind. I'm also repeating myself, but these points can't be drilled enough...

Buzz is EVERYTHING. Especially good buzz. It gets people pumped and excited to see a film because people tend to believe what they see and read. The overwhelming amount of good buzz for Batman Begins tells me that film is going to rake in a boffo opening weekend. The way fans talk about Chris Nolan - and now Bryan Singer - you'd think those directors could walk on water. Well, euphemistically speaking, I guess they can. But Nolan has Bale, a phenomenal actor who an overwhelming majority of Batman fans wanted. Singer has... ...well schitt, Singer only has his reputation for good casting decisions for fans to hang their hopes on now. Not fer nuthin', but that doth not great buzz make. I want to see the film because I'm a Superman fan, but my excitement has dwindled quite a lot from where it was.

And the real kick in the head? It appears that I'm far from being the only one. People are STILL lamenting the Welling Saga in Supes' forums across the Net. I think some folks are definitely a little TOO vocal in their support, which makes life difficult for other fans in the same group, but the fact that the subject is still even being discussed speaks volumes about the kind of devoted support Welling had for the role, and apparently still does. Simply amazing.

[end rant, err... speech]

[JackMercy]

you can't please ALL the people, ALL the time - but the level of joy was definitely up for many, many people.

Buzz is EVERYTHING. Especially good buzz.

the fact that the subject is still even being discussed speaks volumes about the kind of devoted support Welling had for the role, and apparently still does. Simply amazing.

Like I said, the black tee thing was probably TPTB granting JP's one wish that he had left... I mean, come on, it would be FAR from the worst JP has requested, eh?

Funny. I was *just* thinking about stating the "you can't please all of the people, all of the time" quote...

So true.

Buzzzzzz... hmmm....

Oh, and... I hear ya...

;)

[triplet]

uggh that Routh picture posted next to Welling's just grates at me even more. Like i've said before, Brandon better be undergoing one HECK of a makeover for this thing
I think he looks hung over in that photo... his eyes even look bloodshot.

[The Incredible Hulk]

speaking of buzz, when I go see Superman, I'm gonna be so hammered that I wont be able to tell the difference between Routh and Welling :up:

[JackMercy]

speaking of buzz, when I go see Superman, I'm gonna be so hammered that I wont be able to tell the difference between Routh and Welling :up:

I can tell you that's the condition that many of the execs will be in at the premiere for this baby, should they get it finished and finally into theaters...

I think they'll just be happy if anyone sees this film opening weekend, no matter what condition you're in...

[AgentPat]

speaking of buzz, when I go see Superman, I'm gonna be so hammered that I wont be able to tell the difference between Routh and Welling.I wish I could say the same. I mean, I'll probably pop a bottle of Champaign myself just before heading out to the theater, but no matter how sloshed I get, I'll still know the difference. http://www.patcostello.com/temp/cry.gif

Hey Jack, what's the current threat level at due to recent bubbles emerging from all the fishbowls? Just curious. :cool:

[Lara]

Triplet, James please don't leave. But I can understand I completely left the Superman forum I just don't care enough now. What gets me is in all these interviews Singer talks PRIMARILY about Rouths LOOK. I soo don't get that. He doesn't look like Superman to me and the truth is I didn't expect anyone to look as good as Welling so he's not even my standard. However how hard would handsome and light eyed been. IF they are trying to actually compare the two in photos the WB must be delusional.

[jas01724]

Regarding the similarity in photos, would both divisions be using the same dark angsty approach? And if so, WHY would they want to cement such an image in people's minds for a film about Superman? Batman, I can see. Even SV. But Superman? Eh.
Hate to state the obvious, but they do it 'cause they can. It's not just "The WB" that's doing it, it's the whole company, TV, film, everything. Dunno why, maybe they've decided that black is the new sky blue?

The picture that was released of Routh isn't him as Superman, it's just him as him, shot using the current WB promo style.

The day everything makes sense is the day the world becomes boring and I buy a pistol for one-time usage...

[AgentPat]

Triplet, James please don't leave.:up: I second that. You guys are fans of Superman, Smallville, AND TW. Geeze! If you people leave, I will be very VERY ANGRY! :mad: ;)

...how hard would handsome and light eyed been. IF they are trying to actually compare the two in photos the WB must be delusional.http://www.patcostello.com/temp/worthy.gif

Preach it girl!! :D

[The Sage]

Yeah, Triplet, James, don't leave. You two are some of the sensible Welling fans I've met, one of the few I can have an actual conversation with without it becoming a flame war.

[The Sage]

On another note, I think it'd be better to wait and compare Routh to Welling after Routh gets his makeover. Welling's current pics are designed to make him look like the character, and really, none of Routh's are. Just IMO.

Ok I'm vacating the Welling thread. :)

[triplet]

Yeah, Triplet, James, don't leave. You two are some of the sensible Welling fans I've met, one of the few I can have an actual conversation with without it becoming a flame war.
Thanks for that but I'm back...

I mostly came back to see what people were saying about Transference. I did wander over to the Superman forum and was scared away by the divisive debate still going on over there.

Yikes.

As disappointed as I am, I think it's a serious case of denial to keep pushing for TW. It's over. Thank God.

Unless something really extreme happens, Routh is it and there shouldn't be all this anger... I'm not excited about Routh, but I think I'll wait and see what happens before I say definitely that casting Routh was a mistake.

Singer is a great director, but he could also be starting to believe his own press...

I don't want to argue that, just a thought...

Anyway, back on topic:

Tom did such an excellent job in that episode. So much so that I think the debate about his acting skill should finally be put to rest.

-- WTF????

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif Is someone actually getting back on topic??? http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif

Alert the media! :rolleyes:

Also, John Glover was great and I loved that even as a 60 year old Clark Kent can still kick some bad-guy butt!

Totally excellent episode.:up:

[jas01724]

I'm not leaving, i'm just grumpy with people acting like I have a bullseye on my chest - just because I can give as good as I get and fight back, it doesn't mean that I *want* to.

Amazingly I like peace and quiet. Who woulda thunk? I'm just not sure that I have any opinions that *aren't* controversial... I mean, I even got whipped around when I said I doubted Welling would be in the movie. I can't say anything without causing a furore!

<-- tempted to become a politician.

PS. Pictures of Routhy and Thomasy-Pooh are not intended to be a comparison. Seriously.

[The Sage]

Yeah, talk about Welling's acting were for the most part put to bed last Wednesday. I say "for the most part" for the inevitable people who will say otherwise. :o

[triplet]

Yeah, talk about Welling's acting were for the most part put to bed last Wednesday. I say "for the most part" for the inevitable people who will say otherwise. :oHe was such a clearly different person in that episode, I wonder if the writers designed that episode with that partly in mind.

I swear the poor man gets no respect, and I just don't understand that.

He's come a long way, especially given where he started.

I've been very impressed with some of the very smart things he's said about his character and the performance he had given on Judging Amy that I was convinced he could take on the feature (I think Transference finally proved my point) but I guess we'll never know what he would have done with the role... Too bad.

Like I said: for me, the jury's out on Routh until I see him in action. Not excited about him, but Singer could have something or could be deluding himself. We'll see.

Anyway:

I'm really hoping that given the great strides Tom's made in his craft that he will finally get some roles that are better than that POS Cheaper by the Dozen.

What a throw-away role that was. He was pushed as being cast in that film to lure in the teeny boppers and then only had like 10 or 15 minutes of screen time... what a waste.

Why a smart guy like Steve Martin would be involved in such an inane concept, I'll never know.

It didn't help Tom that Charlie Baker was such an ill-concieved character either... Tom's a way better actor than that and deserved better than what he got there.

He was the only reason I ventured with my kids to see it to only be greatly disappointed in that drek.

[AgentPat]

Yeah, talk about Welling's acting were for the most part put to bed last Wednesday.I've now watched that episode twice and I'm still blown away. I may watch it a third time with a notepad in hand. Welling NAILED every little quirk and idiosyncrasy that Glover does, both consciously and subconsciously. It makes me wonder if some scenes were shot with the real personality in place, ie Glover and Rosenbaum in Lex's car at the beginning, and then the footage was "studied" by Welling and reshot. I was shocked at the nuances he picked up on - stuff that I wasn't even aware of until I saw Welling mimic it. Like Lionel’s rubbing his neck and pacing back and forth when something is bothering him. "Oh yeah, Glover *does* do that in character, doesn't he?" The heavy breathing and pauses between words, clasping hands behind back, and his overall assured demeanor... It was fascinating.

Glover of course did a good job with Clark, but it's funny how he picked up on Welling's stiff, shoulders back, chest-out, feet apart stance. I laughed at that actually 'cause it's more specific to Welling than it is to Clark, if folks know what I mean? It's just how he stands in place - kind of peacock-ish - which works well in character. Glover nailed it. Wicked funny! I bet they made each other laugh – if not made ‘em more self conscience of their character portrayals.

Yeah, I'm gonna watch that ep again with a notepad this time. It's worth it.

[croaker]

Is there a clip of him flying on the internet

Here: http://www.pondwater.net/vid/misc/smallville_s4e01-flight.rar

Unzip with WinRAR. Requires DivX.

Enjoy

[JackMercy]

Hey Jack, what's the current threat level at due to recent bubbles emerging from all the fishbowls? Just curious. :cool:

"Believe" and "wait and see" are the optimum phrases round here...

Opinion is generally that the fish are just anxious to be fed.

Threat level is stable... though that could change come Super Tuesday... (nudge, nudge)

Water cooler talk is great, however...

;)

[jas01724]

I'm bored, I think people should start talking about "Tom Welling for Superman" again. It's not as if it hurts anyone...

[JackMercy]

I'm bored, I think people should start talking about "Tom Welling for Superman" again. It's not as if it hurts anyone...

You're right... can't hurt anyone at all...

In fact...it could help...

:cool:

[jas01724]

Oh honestly, you make it sound like people NEED help. Now that's just silly.

*ahem*

[Lara]

I read the review on Transference at Media Shark they of course praised Tom's acting and said it was amazing he was an underwear model 4 years ago.Did he ever model underwear? Because I don't remeber seeing those pictures and surely I would have. So why do people refer to him as an underwear model?

[jas01724]

He WASN'T an underwear model - sure, he modelled in his underwear for a Cosmo shoot, but that doesn't qualify as being an "underwear model."
I have come to the conclusion that anyone who refers to him as such is an ignorant fool who doesn't do research - and for a media site like MediaSharx, that's pathetic.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

He was such a clearly different person in that episode, I wonder if the writers designed that episode with that partly in mind.

I swear the poor man gets no respect, and I just don't understand that.

He's come a long way, especially given where he started.

I've been very impressed with some of the very smart things he's said about his character and the performance he had given on Judging Amy that I was convinced he could take on the feature (I think Transference finally proved my point) but I guess we'll never know what he would have done with the role... Too bad.

Like I said: for me, the jury's out on Routh until I see him in action. Not excited about him, but Singer could have something or could be deluding himself. We'll see.

Anyway:

I'm really hoping that given the great strides Tom's made in his craft that he will finally get some roles that are better than that POS Cheaper by the Dozen.

What a throw-away role that was. He was pushed as being cast in that film to lure in the teeny boppers and then only had like 10 or 15 minutes of screen time... what a waste.

Why a smart guy like Steve Martin would be involved in such an inane concept, I'll never know.

It didn't help Tom that Charlie Baker was such an ill-concieved character either... Tom's a way better actor than that and deserved better than what he got there.

He was the only reason I ventured with my kids to see it to only be greatly disappointed in that drek.

Sometimes when you get really popular, ppl start to jump on you. He was acceptable when he started because he was just another actor like Dean Cain trying to be Superman/Clark Kent on tv but then ppl started to relate with the way he portrayed the character and started to believe in Superman again like they hadn't in a long time, then he started to be more talked about than I'm sure even he would expect.
I think he has a great chance of a career as an actor. Maybe doing a villain would be the way to go since he has best performances when he does something different. Either that or try a new different type of formula for a good guy. I think the guy can do comedy (I hope he teams up with Rosenbaum for one, they are such good friends and great pranksters), romance, action, suspense.
And has anyone heard his amazing Gollum imitation on the season box-set ? It really blew me away ! That and when they started to joke around with the SV actor that looked like Bill Bixby (The Incredible Hulk) and Tom picked him by the neck in "Red" and said:- "Who's the Hulk now, little S*** ?!"
I laughed my ass off !
As for Routh I never seen such a low enthusiam for an actor in a comic book adaptation. I'm hearing from most ppl that they basically only go for the movie and because they're Superman fans. They are very disapointed with Routh's casting. And that picture, ugghh I hope that was his casting photo for Batman...lol
I'm glad that at least the "Tom Welling can't act" bulls*** is over finally.

[AgentPat]

I'm bored, I think people should start talking about "Tom Welling for Superman" again.http://www.patcostello.com/temp/sad.gif

It's not as if it hurts anyone...Welling fan in SHH Superman film forum ---> http://www.patcostello.com/temp/target.gif

You're right... can't hurt anyone at all...

In fact...it could help...http://www.patcostello.com/temp/stunned.gif

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/ponder.gif

[JackMercy]

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/ponder.gif

As the immortal Pink Floyd said some years ago...

Keep Talking...

:cool:

[Thunder Emperor]

speaking of buzz, when I go see Superman, I'm gonna be so hammered that I wont be able to tell the difference between Routh and Welling :up:


That is the most logical approach, thnaks hulk. :batman:

[jas01724]

Poor Pat.

[rumpuso]

I'm bored, I think people should start talking about "Tom Welling for Superman" again. It's not as if it hurts anyone...


I think that would liven up everyone if this subject was a real possibility again. I lurk mostly over here and over the last 8 months or so, it became apparent that any topic concerning Tom Welling brought out the best and the worst in people. He has quite a contingent of faithful followers. There was almost a collective feeling of bubbles burst upon the announcement of Routh as the new Superman. It still feels that way. So, to keep Jas' suggestion, here is a quote from Annette O'Toole taken from issue 2 of the Smallville magazine. When asked "what if Tom was offered the Superman role in the on-again/off-again big screen outing", AO answered "I can't see anyone else doing it actually. I think because of Smallville's popularity, if they're going to do a movie, then Tom should do it, if he wants to. But he may not want to be Superman all his life. It is something you carry with you, and, as it is, he's going to be Clark Kent for a while." Now, while the Tom Welling naysayers will surely point to the part of the quote where she mentions "if he wants to" and "it is something you carry with you", I think it is important to note that this Superman veteran recognizes his suitability for the role. He is already "Superman" in people's minds, including Smallville cast members apparently.

[AgentPat]

As the immortal Pink Floyd said some years ago...

Keep Talking...http://www.patcostello.com/temp/hailmary1.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/hailmary2.jpg

"Hail Mary Pass" in American football, a play in which the quarterback throws the ball as far downfield as possible, hoping one of his receivers can catch the ball or that a defensive player commits a penalty which allows the offense to gain possession of the ball at the point of the foul. This play usually occurs at the very end of a half, and especially when the team on offense is trailing in the score.




Pfhaaaack. Here we go again...

:D

[Thunder Emperor]

I think that would liven up everyone if this subject was a real possibility again. I lurk mostly over here and over the last 8 months or so, it became apparent that any topic concerning Tom Welling brought out the best and the worst in people. He has quite a contingent of faithful followers. There was almost a collective feeling of bubbles burst upon the announcement of Routh as the new Superman. It still feels that way. So, to keep Jas' suggestion, here is a quote from Annette O'Toole taken from issue 2 of the Smallville magazine. When asked "what if Tom was offered the Superman role in the on-again/off-again big screen outing", AO answered "I can't see anyone else doing it actually. I think because of Smallville's popularity, if they're going to do a movie, then Tom should do it, if he wants to. But he may not want to be Superman all his life. It is something you carry with you, and, as it is, he's going to be Clark Kent for a while." Now, while the Tom Welling naysayers will surely point to the part of the quote where she mentions "if he wants to" and "it is something you carry with you", I think it is important to note that this Superman veteran recognizes his suitability for the role. He is already "Superman" in people's minds, including Smallville cast members apparently.


good point

[rumpuso]

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/hailmary1.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/hailmary2.jpg

"Hail Mary Pass" in American football, a play in which the quarterback throws the ball as far downfield as possible, hoping one of his receivers can catch the ball or that a defensive player commits a penalty which allows the offense to gain possession of the ball at the point of the foul. This play usually occurs at the very end of a half, and especially when the team on offense is trailing in the score.




Pfhaaaack. Here we go again...



:D


Very clever post, btw Pat (enjoyed the pictures too). You have been a very vocal supporter of Tom Welling on these boards. I am one as well, but just not here. Obviously the casting decision for the role of Superman has already been made. It was a wild ride of unexpected ups and just as many downs. Transference was an incredibly well done/well acted episode. Consequently, it opened up old wounds of Tom Welling not becoming the big screen version of Superman. As for Brandon Routh, it generally takes me a while to get over first impressions - so I am currently stuck in a state of wanting a man for a job that is not his job to have. I lack the maturity in this instance to feel resignation and acceptance and will always hope for some miraculous change of heart. With that said, it is still fun to read positive press and opinions on Tom Welling. He has brought Clark Kent to life with charm and believability. I felt as if he would have transitioned to Superman very convincingly. Oh well...

[RakuMon]

Just thought I'd add this.
After watching "Transference," my wife was in awe of Tom Welling's acting ability. She was telling me about how great an actor he must be in order to capture so convincingly the mannerisms and vocal inflections of John Glover. Since she isn't privy to internet chatter regarding a new Superman film, I told her that a very vocal section of the net was vehemently opposed to Welling's...errr....existence because of his "lack of acting ability." She just laughed and said she was finally glad SV was back on track! :)

[Lara]

LOl Agent PAt I actually needed that explanation of the Hail Mary. It appears I'm doomed to be a football mom at least through highschool. Football is so freaking complicated. Acting is subjective at this point I think he could win an Emmy and the same people wouldn't be impressed.

[Serene]

LOl It appears I'm doomed to be a football mom at least through highschool. Football is so freaking complicated.

As a high school football parent, your main focus is on making sure your kid gets up after every play. Everything else you can get off the scoreboard. :)

[Frantik]

Very clever post, btw Pat (enjoyed the pictures too). You have been a very vocal supporter of Tom Welling on these boards. I am one as well, but just not here. Obviously the casting decision for the role of Superman has already been made. It was a wild ride of unexpected ups and just as many downs. Transference was an incredibly well done/well acted episode. Consequently, it opened up old wounds of Tom Welling not becoming the big screen version of Superman. As for Brandon Routh, it generally takes me a while to get over first impressions - so I am currently stuck in a state of wanting a man for a job that is not his job to have. I lack the maturity in this instance to feel resignation and acceptance and will always hope for some miraculous change of heart. With that said, it is still fun to read positive press and opinions on Tom Welling. He has brought Clark Kent to life with charm and believability. I felt as if he would have transitioned to Superman very convincingly. Oh well...
I am getting caught up on my posting. I just got too busy but I look around an see a familiar face again. I am so happy :D
Oh this was very well said. I am so glad I came in here. Lots of pics. Thanks A.Pat

[AgentPat]

Warners has some new promos of Welling on the way. Check 'em out, compliments Jana from DTS:

http://img33.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img33&image=tw_s4_collage02.jpg

I freakin' LOVE that first one in the panel. It's the "TAKE-OFF" stance from Crusade. *squeeeeeel* :D

Individual, larger images should go up soon.

[Serene]

Warners has some new promos of Welling on the way. Check 'em out, compliments Jana from DTS:

http://img33.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img33&image=tw_s4_collage02.jpg

I freakin' LOVE that first one in the panel. It's the "TAKE-OFF" stance from Crusade. *squeeeeeel* :D

Individual, larger images should go up soon.


Yow. Are human beings meant to be that photogenic? Damn.. I'm off to turn that fan up again.

[rumpuso]

He looks simply amazing in those pictures. Damn Warners!

[AgentPat]

No doubt, the camera loves him. His marketing potential from his image alone is tough to beat. I'm convinced he went back for seconds when nature handed out beauty at the gene pool. ;)

[Frantik]

Somebody somewhere else said that when God made Tom Welling, he was just showing off.
Sounds right to me.

[Obsidian]

:rolleyes:

[triplet]

Somebody somewhere else said that when God made Tom Welling, he was just showing off.
Sounds right to me.If a man could be beautiful, he's it. :o

:::sigh:::

[Lara]

If a man could be beautiful, he's it. :o

:::sigh:::
;) I think he's proof positive a man can be.

[darkzombiemutt]

Im going to say this only once. Tom Welling is such a beautiful man, that it perfectly suits the Perfect man. He is so good looking, it seems like the only possible explination is that he is an alien. Im completely straight. I dont care if you believe me. Not only is he good looking, he looks just like Superman.

[JackMercy]

Nice pictures.

:: runs off to the water cooler ::

;)

[AgentPat]

TW is on the cover of the latest issue of Dreamwatch. DTS excerpted a quote from his interview. Regarding fan mail:

"I do get a lot -- from guys and girls. We actually get more guys watching than we do girls, which the producers didn’t think was going to happen when we started the show. Our male audience is larger than they expected. I haven’t had anything too outrageous yet. I think the character that I play is warm and approachable and nice and kind. I think that maybe the fans that Clark attracts tend to be on the safe side, rather than, say, Lex Luthor. I think Michael Rosenbaum’s fan mail must be a little different (laughs)."

Pictures and more info here:
http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/smallville/

[triplet]

TW is on the cover of the latest issue of Dreamwatch. DTS excerpted a quote from his interview. Regarding fan mail:

"I do get a lot -- from guys and girls. We actually get more guys watching than we do girls, which the producers didn’t think was going to happen when we started the show. Our male audience is larger than they expected. I haven’t had anything too outrageous yet. I think the character that I play is warm and approachable and nice and kind. I think that maybe the fans that Clark attracts tend to be on the safe side, rather than, say, Lex Luthor. I think Michael Rosenbaum’s fan mail must be a little different (laughs)."

Pictures and more info here:
http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/smallville/
Pretty funny... I'd love to read some of MR's fan mail. ;)