will the scarecrow steal the show in batman begins?

[Peter L Griffin]

in a similar way to that of vader in star wars, could the scarecrow steal the show in batman begins? after reading the script and seeing the pic, i must say, i think he could. why?
1)-hes in less scenes, but all the ones hes in are awesome(lighting batman on fire, kidnaping katie ect) thus the wanting more factor occurs MAJORLY.
2)-neesons "character" is a good guy for 3/4 of the movie. he doesnt ooze evil or posess the creepiness that the scarecrow does.
3)-the scarecrow is a big reason why the second half of the script kicks.
4)-the scarecrow looks a lot cooler then neesons.
5)-the scarecrow is more of the traditional villain type. its comparing Nicholsons joker in BATMAN, in that batman knows about him, fights him, has entertainign and funs scenes with/against/caused by him, vs. Hackmans Luthor, where he doesnt immerge as a VILLAIN until the end. nicholsons wins there, and i expect the scarecrow to win here. murphy is a fine actor and will be damn creepy, while neesons will be more like the teacher vs. the student.

looks wise there no comparison.

http://batmanbegins.warnerbros.com/images/04.jpg

vs.

http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/sm_scarecrowstage1_sketch1.jpg

[thedarks0ldier]

i think scarecrow is gonna make us shisa in our pants

[Comic Book Boy]

Scarecrow will be like Darth Maul....totally koo....:batman:

[JTIZZLEVILLE]

yeah, i can't wait. it will be freakin' awsome.

[Peter L Griffin]

i agree, darth maul more then vader...then again to me, maul stole the show in espisode 1, i mean he is the one everyone talked about, and dressed up for halloween, ect. i expect a similar thing to happen scarecrow.

[Hunter Rider]

I dont think scarecrow will steal the show after all goyer and nolan said this is a movie about batman this time not about the villian.I do think he will be cool not darth maul cool but still good with some exciting confrontations with bats.
by the way whered you read the script?

[Peter L Griffin]

the movie is about batman, but because its batmans show, he cant steal it. scarecrow could steal just because he looks, is written, and is cast, perfectly. You couldnt make him any scarier or any cooler.

[Peter L Griffin]

what do other people think?

[Robin91939]

we wont now the answer to who will steal the show- till we atleast see the real pics :up: *crosses fingers and continues looking at callender and now watch* 15 more hours

[Peter L Griffin]

15? damn. i live in the u.s. so we only have to wait 2 3/4 more.

[Robin91939]

i live in the US too, but the up date will prolly come at around 3-4 tomrrow pm, i live in NJ :up:

[MrMotto]

Crane's character is going to have to be seriously "beefed-up" in order to steal the show. The only way to describe the effect his role will have, as written in the script, is a "Darth Maulish" "soldier" villain. He gets no background, no development, no motivation, and his full name is only mentioned once. I trust Nolan will develop him more. Frankly, I found "Scarecrow" in Goyer's draft to simply be a lame villain.

[Peter L Griffin]

his motivation is that hell be "getting paid", and hes not th main character, its batman. hes just a character in his script. but imo he could be(when he is the scarecrow, not crane) the best bat villain yet.

[typeorocks]

1st one to post that pic gets a cookie

[Bat Brain]

what flavour cookie?

[typeorocks]

peanut butter or whatever i steal from the girl scouts

[BatMatt]

Peter, you made some excellent points, i dont believe we'll have another villian stealing the show a la Joker, Batman is finally the central character which im sure you're aware of, but scarecrow will definitely be awesome

[Robin91939]

Well, first off, i feel that Joker didnt Steal any thing because the whole movie was his to start with
that said-


I think that Neeson and Bale will comand this movie, while Scarecrow will shock and scare us, he will be a GREAT (dont think for a second that i am underminding the character or preformance) but for me, Ra's and Scarecrow are my favorite villains - lucky me. so neeson is what i am looking forward to most- also after reading the script, i think that Crane will be perfect for this movie and perfect after the re-writes but with the amounts of screentime, Bale and Neeson will hold this movie, also i think that scarecrow wasnt meant to own it, if he is seen to often, his element will be lost, but he will be OUTSTANDING, no doubt in my mind :up:


btw does anyone think the pics will be emailed at exactly 12:00 am?

[Robin91939]

looks wise there no comparison.

http://batmanbegins.warnerbros.com/images/04.jpg

vs.

http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/sm_scarecrowstage1_sketch1.jpg

there is no comparison to the freaky factor but doubt count Neeson out, read my extreme spoilers "NEESON CAN DO IT" thread :up:

[Dr. MIX]

It's tomorow? Damn that went fast!

[BatmanReborn]

no, wb likes to torture us

[Peter L Griffin]

thats a good point, but comic book boy made a great point with episod one, which leads me to another. darth sidious was the main villain, and had more lines and screentime then darth maul, if i recall correctly. but the one everyone remembers is darth maul. when people look back on begins, the villain they mention willbe the one who came out the best, and i think theyll say "thats that great one, with the scarecrow."

[Robin91939]

nah, sidious didnt have that much screentime, and also fought no one, Neeson is the key fighter in this film

[Peter L Griffin]

true...together (scarecrow and neeson) they combine for great villains...i just see people walking away from the theatre talking about the scarecrow more then anything else, apart from batman and how amazing the movie is.

[Robin91939]

yeah, i think that the will be like- WOW HE LOOKED AWESOME, but i think that he wont comand the movie, just be another great sticking point :up:

[thedarks0ldier]

Hey, with constintine and Batman getting things rolling and superman finally on its way, do you think DC should display there logo in the beginnings of there films like marvel. Not with the comic book flipping pages but like some cool CG intro?

[DarkKnightJRK]

Hey, with constintine and Batman getting things rolling and superman finally on its way, do you think DC should display there logo in the beginnings of there films like marvel. Not with the comic book flipping pages but like some cool CG intro?

Won't happen. Warner Bros. directly owns DC Comics. The only thing they'll probably do is "Characters owned by DC Comics" or something to that effect.

[thedarks0ldier]

...those basterds

[Robin91939]

i am gonna own WB one of these days, and i will do things right let me tell u

[LastSunrise1981]

I think all of the actors will do an excellent job. However, I believe Bale will own the show and will do an excellent job.

But I'm looking forward to Scarecrow and Ra's. As long as Ra's looks like he does in the animated series/comics, I'll have an orgasm in the theater and so on. Of course, the entire film might give everyone one.

[Heroic Force]

Forgive my gross ignorance but what kind of powers does the Scarecrow have? From what I seen, and may be wrong, he is like a zombie with fear inducing, hallucinating gas clouds.

That's all I know about him, is there anything else, strength enhancement and so forth?

[LastSunrise1981]

Forgive my gross ignorance but what kind of powers does the Scarecrow have? From what I seen, and may be wrong, he is like a zombie with fear inducing, hallucinating gas clouds.

That's all I know about him, is there anything else, strength enhancement and so forth?

No, you're not ignorant at all. You pretty much nailed it right on the head about the Scarecrow. He's not a "zombie" per se, but you can pretty much say that he's a sadistic/evil character and his fear gas makes people hallucinate their worst fears I believe.

As far as I know and remember, he's never had any strength enhancement or any kind of "power" if you will. :batman:

[Peter L Griffin]

bump

[Darko]

scarecrow won't steal the show.

[BruceWayne]

This is a bit off topic, but how did Darth Maul steal the show in Phantom Menance? I was disappointed that he was barely a villian in the movie. You were able to count his lines on one hand and he had like two major scenes if I remember correctly (haven't seen Episode I in a long time). I walked out thinking to myself that they hyped him up a lot more than they should have. Sure, he was the one that everyone dressed up for Halloween, but I think that's mostly cause he looked cool and had a double sided lightsaber.


As for Scarecrow stealing the show...I haven't read the script, so I can't say. But I believe Nolan when he says this is a Batman movie.

[The Dark Guybrush]

will batman steal the show in "scarecrow begins"?

[LastSunrise1981]

This is a bit off topic, but how did Darth Maul steal the show in Phantom Menance? I was disappointed that he was barely a villian in the movie. You were able to count his lines on one hand and he had like two major scenes if I remember correctly (haven't seen Episode I in a long time). I walked out thinking to myself that they hyped him up a lot more than they should have. Sure, he was the one that everyone dressed up for Halloween, but I think that's mostly cause he looked cool and had a double sided lightsaber.


As for Scarecrow stealing the show...I haven't read the script, so I can't say. But I believe Nolan when he says this is a Batman movie.

You are right about Maul. The main reason why he was considered the "showstealer", was because he looked so cool and evil that he was truly the only high point of Episode I.

[Alonsovich]

will batman steal the show in "scarecrow begins"?

Scarecrow only appears in 2 or 3 scenes. Batman/Bruce Wayne has 70% of the screen time... :o

[Darko]

Scarecrow only appears in 2 or 3 scenes. Batman/Bruce Wayne has 70% of the screen time... :o

That says it all. End Of Discussion.

[Peter L Griffin]

but those 2-3 scenes are batmans first night, when he puts the gas onto falcone, kidnapping katie, his finale on the horseback, which should make him seem like the headless horseman, and lighting batman on fire. All scenes are wicked cool. Hes should be a sweet villain and perhaps goyer realized just how cool he is, thats why they let him you know what.

[aznite619]

I think Bruce Wayne takes up too much screentime. :o:down:

[newwaveboy87]

don't the villians always steal the show??

[aznite619]

don't the villians always steal the show??Well, in X-2, Wolverine stole the show, same can be said about the first X-Men movie. "Daredevil" was really Colin Farrell's movie, Batman has yet to have gotten enough on screen time.

[ice_018]

Scarecrow will kick ass, imagine the rest of the rogues through David Goyer and Nolan minds!!

[Dr. MIX]

Well, in X-2, Wolverine stole the show, same can be said about the first X-Men movie. "Daredevil" was really Colin Farrell's movie, Batman has yet to have gotten enough on screen time.
None stole the show in Daredevil, they all sucked equally. Collin being the most annoying with his overly over the top performance,

[Peter L Griffin]

if that was anybodys movie i think its either big mikes or jennifer garners. that was kinda her breakout role as not toomany people knew her from alias. lots of people saw that movie or saw the poster of it and being in it bumped her up big time.

[aznite619]

None stole the show in Daredevil, they all sucked equally. Collin being the most annoying with his overly over the top performance,
Agreed. I didn't like Daredevil either.:down:

[InsayneJayne]

He won't steal the show...but He will show everyone what a kick ass Batman villian is suppose to be like...

[InsayneJayne]

Well, in X-2, Wolverine stole the show, same can be said about the first X-Men movie. "Daredevil" was really Colin Farrell's movie, Batman has yet to have gotten enough on screen time.

WTF?
Colin's movie?
Man, he sucked...so did the movie...but I think he sucked more :up:

[neobido9999]

he's the character im looking forwrd to seeing most, regardless what many say the villains are the best bit of batman films

[Excel]

i was goin to start a thread on this but there already is one. damn, crane looked very good in that trailer, didnt he? sounded good,looked creepy. but look at his pic too:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/riskdogg/mtv41.jpg

to qoute someone early in this thread-could scarecrow be the new darth maul-or atleast a new super villain to the public. murphy really seems to have nailed him.

[The Guard]

Someone mentioned DAREDEVIL. Good analogy. Colin Farrel was very over the top in DAREDEVIL. He TRIED to steal the show, he had a few amusing moments. He didn't manage it, though, because quite honestly, Ben Affleck's performance was just more heartfelt and stronger. I think the same may hold true for Cillian Murphy's Scarecrow. He looks like he's into it, but he also looks like he's getting into it maybe a little too much, going a little toward "over-the-top-serial-villain", and that approach won't stand up to Christian Bale, Liam Neeson, and even Morgan Freeman. And The Joker didn't steal the show in BATMAN. In every scene he was in WITH Batman, Batman stole it right from him. Ditto scenes with Bruce. I have always felt that BATMAN was indeed Batman's film, despite loads of screentime for the villain and top billing for Jack Nicholson. Because The Joker has some great scenes. But when he's put in scenes with Batman, he gets owned.

[bosef982]

Someone mentioned DAREDEVIL. Good analogy. Colin Farrel was very over the top in DAREDEVIL. He TRIED to steal the show, he had a few amusing moments. He didn't manage it, though, because quite honestly, Ben Affleck's performance was just more heartfelt and stronger. I think the same may hold true for Cillian Murphy's Scarecrow. He looks like he's into it, but he also looks like he's getting into it maybe a little too much, going a little toward "over-the-top-serial-villain", and that approach won't stand up to Christian Bale, Liam Neeson, and even Morgan Freeman. And The Joker didn't steal the show in BATMAN. In every scene he was in WITH Batman, Batman stole it right from him. Ditto scenes with Bruce. I have always felt that BATMAN was indeed Batman's film, despite loads of screentime for the villain and top billing for Jack Nicholson. Because The Joker has some great scenes. But when he's put in scenes with Batman, he gets owned.

Ohg please Guard....come on..you've seen what, how much of Cillian's performance? Three seconds total? Drop it...Scarecrow looks good. That's all we can say. But to start doing comparisons....that' just speculation coming from someplace else...and the whole Batman - Joker comparison...whateva...but really, you've seen little of CIllian's performance...jsut drop it.

[The Guard]

I've seen Cillian Murphy's acting elsewhere, and yes, I've seen very little of his performance here, but he is definitely going for over the top more than reserved. It's there in his facial expressions, in his voice, in the pacing of his lines, and in his very appearance. It's probably part of his character (being a little out there) but it's there just the same. I didn't say it was a bad thing, I said it wouldn't compare to Bale, Neeson and Freeman and their characters in terms of scene stealing. Bale is Batman. Neeson is his mentor, with most of the really good lines. And Freeman, as we all know, is basically Q. And people LOVE Q scenes.

[AdmNelson]

Ohg please Guard....come on..you've seen what, how much of Cillian's performance? Three seconds total? Drop it...Scarecrow looks good. That's all we can say. But to start doing comparisons....that' just speculation coming from someplace else...and the whole Batman - Joker comparison...whateva...but really, you've seen little of CIllian's performance...jsut drop it.

If you've seen Cillian Murphy in "28 Days Later," then you know he's a good actor who can play a scary, intense role. I wouldn't discount the above speculation.

Here's another casting suggestion, though: what if they'd gone with Jeffrey Coombs, who's been in a ton of recent "Star Trek" episodes, and who played Herbert West in "Reanimator?" He can play a completely crazy guy (and his quavery, on-edge voice makes him seem on the verge of going off at any moment.)

-- Admiral Nelson

[The Guard]

It is precisely because I have seen 28 DAYS LATER that I believe Cillian is putting a little bit of "over the top" into his role as Crane. I've seen him do reserved, quiet, with intensity coming through, and I hope most of his stuff as Crane/Scarecrow is in that vein.

[super scar]

Imo from the looks of recent pics and trailer footage Crane seems reserved when he wants to be. (like the two photos of him in public with his glasses on and suit) But acts all wacked out and psycho around other criminals and of course in his Scarecrow gear.

[Ducard=Ra's]

Imo from the looks of recent pics and trailer footage Crane seems reserved when he wants to be. (like the two photos of him in public with his glasses on and suit) But acts all wacked out and psycho around other criminals and of course in his Scarecrow gear.
Exactly. The private Crane is supposed to be just a bit over the top in a creepy way.

[WhiteScorpion]

I'm really expecting this to be a movie where every performance is top notch and every character is talked about for weeks and months after release. I don't really thing that any single actor will steal the show but rather hope that Begins in general steals the spotlight in hollywood.

[ultimatefan]

BATMAN is gonna steal the show... Exactly because everyone is used to the villains stealing the show, and this time he´s indeed the star.

[The Sage]

Batman will steal and own the show.

[Rorschach]

I simply can't fathom how one could think Cillian will overact when he delivered only one short line in the latest trailer, perfectly too.

[Doctor Goblipus]

After hearing him deliver the "Bat Man" line in the trailer, it is very possible he will steal this movie, at least for me. As for know, Im looking forward to seeing Bale the most.

[Asr]

He won't steal the show...but He will show everyone what a kick ass Batman villian is suppose to be like...

I'm really expecting this to be a movie where every performance is top notch and every character is talked about for weeks and months after release. I don't really thing that any single actor will steal the show but rather hope that Begins in general steals the spotlight in hollywood.

I agree on both counts. Scarecrow will frickin' pwn, *****es! :D

[Voyeur]

I have to admit, the Scarecrow has never been one of my favorites, but this version has me downright excited.

[Johnny DC]

Won't happen. Warner Bros. directly owns DC Comics. The only thing they'll probably do is "Characters owned by DC Comics" or something to that effect.

So....Warner Bros. did an opening logo for Vertigo, but won't do one for DC? :confused: Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree.

[antmanx68]

I want them to have a DC logo.

[BatmanRules33]

BATMAN is gonna steal the show... Exactly because everyone is used to the villains stealing the show, and this time he´s indeed the star.


more like bruce wayne will steal the show, lol :D

[Excel]

over the top, maybe. but if its over the top in the way that bellocks fat henchman with the glasses was in raiders of the lost arc ,then thats great.

[Saint]

No.

[Excel]

does anything he stole the show?

[The Kid]

Rachel's 'gifts' stole the show actually, I think.

[Peter L Griffin]

i was right ;)

[Katsuro]

Huzzah!!!

[zer00]

stop bumping. and...you were? no offense I thought he kicked ass even when he was sort of hacked in the editing room. But I wouldn't say he stole the show.

[El Payaso]

Scarecrow was the thing about BB I try to forget the most. He was very average and... well, there was almost no Scarecrow. Scarecrow himself just existed like for 10 seconds before being defeated by Rachel - an average girl - with an average self-defense device. I felt embarrassed for him.

What a villiain!

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, if it means more Batman...then so be it.

[Two-Face]

Actually, I liked Scarecrow screen time and I think it was enough same go for other characters. Also not to forgot that Scarecrow could be back for BB2 and being more threating to Batman since Dark Knight gassed Crane with Crane’s own medicine.

[zer00]

Meh I thought he was a well enough villian. Normies seem to like him so that means something.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I thought he was cool, but I'm glad they kept him in his place.

We've gotten sooooooo ****ing much of the ****in villians in the previous films, it was nice to see all the screentime devoted the damn hero, Batman.

If losing screentime for whatever villians equals more screentime for Bale/Batman......then I'm more than happy to see it happen.

[zer00]

Unless it's The Joker

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Pfffttt.......**** the Joker, he got his own film in '89.

[iceberg325]

Scarecrow was the thing about BB I try to forget the most. He was very average and... well, there was almost no Scarecrow. Scarecrow himself just existed like for 10 seconds before being defeated by Rachel - an average girl - with an average self-defense device. I felt embarrassed for him.

What a villiain!

Well he was an average man. He wasnt a supervillian. He just wore a mask and used the gas to mess with people's heads. He was very important to the story. If it werent for him, Falcone would be locked up. He kept Falcone's men out of jail. He wasnt the major villian but he was more like a pawn in the grand sheme of things.

[Image]

Scarecrow was the thing about BB I try to forget the most. He was very average and... well, there was almost no Scarecrow. Scarecrow himself just existed like for 10 seconds before being defeated by Rachel - an average girl - with an average self-defense device. I felt embarrassed for him.

What a villiain!

He was used right I think. I like how he was handled. I'm glad he didn't die lol. Getting tasered in the face ouch! A reason to leave the mask on and be even more of SCARECROW!

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I think some of you guys are giving the character too much credit.

There's not much else to the character beyond the fear gas. That's pretty much all he can do. Besides that stupid Scarebeast thing, which would blow in a film.

[iceberg325]

I think some of you guys are giving the character too much credit.

There's not much else to the character beyond the fear gas. That's pretty much all he can do. Besides that stupid Scarebeast thing, which would blow in a film.

I honestly would have preferred to see another villian in BB. When I saw the movie, I thought scarecrow was pretty good.

[ganstaman56]

damn was this before it was in theaters!!? damn i'm surprised it's still on here! like ancient history

[Everyman]

Scarecrow was the thing about BB I try to forget the most. He was very average and... well, there was almost no Scarecrow. Scarecrow himself just existed like for 10 seconds before being defeated by Rachel - an average girl - with an average self-defense device. I felt embarrassed for him.

What a villiain!

He was under the influence of the fear gas, therefore more vulnerable, when he was defeated by Rachel (whow as by then immune). He just started being insane, and before that he was just a scheming arrogant (although mentally unstable) psychiatrist, not exactly a physical threat. He was during most of the movie a growing monster.

[hammerhedd11]

with an average self-defense device. I felt embarrassed for him.

What a villiain!

Are you kidding? Do you know how much that would hurt?