Doubting the Ghost Rider Movie

[TheBatman1979]

I realise this is a bit early but I mean come on. Let's look at the facts.

Mark Steven Johnson- He shouldn't be allowed to direct Seasame Street let alone Ghost rider. Christ look at what he did to Daredevil. It's a travesty, a sham and a mockery. It's a trava-sham-ockery!

Nick Cage- What in the hell is this. 10 years ago he could have played Johnny Blaze but now, come on. It was crappy when they wanted him for Superman it's crappy that they want him for Ghost Rider. With the hair piece he'll need the budget could skyrocket.

John Voight- The only actor that's involved with credibilty and they may have just written him out fo the film. It's disgusting.


So who's with me?

[ramon]

that's not enough for boycotting, if you confirm me it'll be PG13, then i will boycott

[TheBatman1979]

Originally posted by ramon
that's not enough for boycotting, if you confirm me it'll be PG13, then i will boycott

Nick Cage and the Studio have both made it public knowledge they want a PG-13 film.

[Omega Red]

Originally posted by ramon
that's not enough for boycotting, if you confirm me it'll be PG13, then i will boycott

May be a DC trick

[White_Howling]

no way daredevil was ok

and ghost ride should be too!

The Ghost will RIDE again

[TheBatman1979]

Originally posted by Omega Red
May be a DC trick


Yeah, because I only read DC. Look kid I don't care what kind of exclusion games you play here but I'm serious. They don't want to respect the character then why give them the money you go work for. Make a movie we as fans want to see or take the consequences for the movie bombing.

[Kable24]

Get over it. Daredevil was a great flick. I don't care if Nic Cage is in it, MSJ is directing, Jon Voight is written out of it or it's a PG-13 movie. I only care about if it will entertain me for 2 hours. people need to get over the "It better be an R rated movie" crap. PG-13 will get more people in the seats. More people means more money. More money means a sequel. It's called economics children. Besides there would be an R rated on unrated DVD eventually anyway. Boycott :rolleyes:

[TheBatman1979]

Originally posted by White_Howling
no way daredevil was ok

and ghost ride should be too!

The Ghost will RIDE again


You guys liked Daredevil? :confused:

[Omega Red]

Originally posted by TheBatman1979
Yeah, because I only read DC. Look kid I don't care what kind of exclusion games you play here but I'm serious. They don't want to respect the character then why give them the money you go work for. Make a movie we as fans want to see or take the consequences for the movie bombing.


Thats the great thing about checking the movie out, If you dont like it get your money back, but you cant make an omlet without breaking some egg and we all know that kid

[Kable24]

I do. It's in my top 5 Marvel movies

1. Punisher
2. X2
3. Spider-Man 2
4. Daredevil
5. X-Men
6. Spider-Man
7. Blade
8. Blade 2
9. Hulk

Am I missing any more Marvel movies? Other than the crap Cap, Punisher, FF and Howard.

[TheBatman1979]

Originally posted by Kable24
Get over it. Daredevil was a great flick. I don't care if Nic Cage is in it, MSJ is directing, Jon Voight is written out of it or it's a PG-13 movie. I only care about if it will entertain me for 2 hours. people need to get over the "It better be an R rated movie" crap. PG-13 will get more people in the seats. More people means more money. More money means a sequel. It's called economics children. Besides there would be an R rated on unrated DVD eventually anyway. Boycott :rolleyes:


Get over it? Are you kidding. That movie was horrible. The fight scenes looked forced. Daredevil looked like a bondage queen. Bullseye looked like he could have been in the Matrix. Have you ever read Frank Millers daredevil run? That movie was a mockery of the character. When you guys come out of caves and see the forest for the Trees. Don't get me wrong no movie adaption is perfect but daredevil was less than average. It rates up there with the Dolph Ludgeren Punisher film.

[Sauron]

DD sucked. Elektra actually looks like it's going to be better than that crap.

[TheBatman1979]

Originally posted by Omega Red
Thats the great thing about checking the movie out, If you dont like it get your money back, but you cant make an omlet without breaking some egg and we all know that kid


What theater allows you to watch an entire movie and get your money back? I'd love to know where that is. And that's a 9$ omlett per viewing. Sorry not worth my time or my dime.

[Paradoxium]

Originally posted by TheBatman1979
I realise this is a bit early but I mean come on. Let's look at the facts.

Mark Steven Johnson- He shouldn't be allowed to direct Seasame Street let alone Ghost rider. Christ look at what he did to Daredevil. It's a travesty, a sham and a mockery. It's a trava-sham-ockery!

Nick Cage- What in the hell is this. 10 years ago he could have played Johnny Blaze but now, come on. It was crappy when they wanted him for Superman it's crappy that they want him for Ghost Rider. With the hair piece he'll need the budget could skyrocket.

John Voight- The only actor that's involved with credibilty and they may have just written him out fo the film. It's disgusting.


So who's with me?

Although I have my own reservations regarding the film, you being a bit extreme here, we haven't seen enough substance yet to warrant any real criticism.

[T1000416]

I will never boycott this film. Even if its not R.

They just cant make it PG-13. Would not live up to his character then....

Anyways no. I wont Boycott the film. I wanna see this happen before Comic Films die out.

And TheBatman1979, I think you should know that FOX kinda screwed MSJ over on DareDevil.

[Kable24]

Originally posted by TheBatman1979
Get over it? Are you kidding. That movie was horrible. The fight scenes looked forced. Daredevil looked like a bondage queen. Bullseye looked like he could have been in the Matrix. Have you ever read Frank Millers daredevil run? That movie was a mockery of the character. When you guys come out of caves and see the forest for the Trees. Don't get me wrong no movie adaption is perfect but daredevil was less than average. It rates up there with the Dolph Ludgeren Punisher film.



Well as usual, a persons opinion on these boards mean very little to me. I think Daredevil was a great movie and No I haven't read FM's run on Daredevil. I like Daredevil, but never got into reading him. I like to form my own thoughts and opinions on movies. I don't let the little "kings of the internet" dictate what I like and don't like. Like a lot of the sheep here.

[White_Howling]

Originally posted by TheBatman1979
You guys liked Daredevil? :confused:

it wasn't too bad i would call it average... i think ppl were expecting too much out of it.. ever since SP came out and blew everyone away..

[Kable24]

I think every comic book movie nowadays is compared to Spider-Man and the numbers Spidey pulls in. That is really unfair to that movie. They can't all be epic in size.

[TheBatman1979]

Originally posted by Kable24
Well as usual, a persons opinion on these boards mean very little to me. I think Daredevil was a great movie and No I haven't read FM's run on Daredevil. I like Daredevil, but never got into reading him. I like to form my own thoughts and opinions on movies. I don't let the little "kings of the internet" dictate what I like and don't like. Like a lot of the sheep here.

Okay, you don't read daredevil yet can express an opinion a movie that doesn't follow the characterization that was set in the books. It's like saying I saw Lord of the Rings and thought it was Perfect even though you never read the books which are the basis for the movie or watching anything for that matter that has already been done in another medium and saying that it lived up to what it was supposed to be.

Sheep are people who follow because they can't form their own opinions. To for an opinion you need to be educated on thesubject in order to form an opinion, unless you're a fool. Read young one.

[Kable24]

A person doesn't need to learn everything about the subject to form an opinion. I don't need to read a movie novelization and watch a movie to form my opinions. Same goes for Daredevil. I didn't say anything about the treatment of the character. Movies do NOT have to follow the books. You're probably someone who pissed and moaned about organic shooters. Movies are a different medium and a different artistic take on a set subject. Just like every artist draws your precious Batman differently, and every writer adds there own touches to the character, so did MSJ with Daredevil. You didn't like it. Fine. I did. My tastes are different than yours. And before you call someone a kid, you better find out their age Junior.

[badash55]

TheBatman1979, lets get a couple things straight

First of all, you can't say that it will suck because we haven't seen anything from the movie yet. Hell, other than a few details, no one knows what it will be like so unless you have a crystal ball, you don't know jack s*it what the movie will be like

Secondly, whats wrong with Nick Cage as Johnny Blaze/Ghost Rider? If its the "Hes too old, we need a younger actor!" argument, well hes at the right age I say. I haven't read too many of the old Vol. 1 issues, but from the ones I did read, I could've sworn that Blaze had to be at least in his mid 30s from the way he looked, so cage is a good fit. I admit, he isn't my first choice, but Cage is a good actor, so surely he can pull it off

Finally, Just because MSJ made one bad movie (Although I enjoyed Daredevil personally), doesn't mean hes destined to make bad movies forever. Im sure people thought David Fincher would be a crap director simply because he directed Alien 3, and look what happened after that. Besides, I'd rather have someone who cares for the material than someone who doesn't know or doesn't care for it. Hes a good director anyway. If you still don't believe me, then I reccomend that you rent Simon Birch, so you can see that he is capable of making a good movie.

You don't have the slightest clue how the movie will turn out. Wait until more info is revealed before you start whining and crying.

On the rating issue, Im annoyed by this "Boo hoo, Ghost Rider isn't R rated!! It will only be good, if, if it had like gore and rape scenes and stuff! WAAAAHH!!" mentality. Using that logic, I suppose Hulk and the first two Batman movie were fun family movies simply because both flicks were PG-13
:rolleyes: The comics weren't really R rated material to begin with. Yeah it had blood and lots of death, but it wasn't like friggin evil dead 2 with limbs flying everywhere and heads exploding, so if the comics can be dark without gore and nudity, then so can the movie.

[Isildur´s Heir]

Originally posted by TheBatman1979
John Voight- The only actor that's involved with credibilty

:confused: :rolleyes:

John Voight is not the only actor involved with credibility, not even by a long shot.
Voight is a great actor, but so is Cage.
Now, if you tell that Cage is not a good casting, i have to agree with you, but that doesn´t say he doesn´t have any credibility.
Like Superman, he was totally wrong for the part, but he would have made a great role.

As for Mark Steven Johnson, i have to agree that he is not a great director...but is a way worst writer.
I´m very apprehensive for the movie since i heard about him on the director´s chair....Daredeviel was enough.
But, let´s look it this way, Mark Steven Johnson is a comic book fan, so, he might have learned from his previous experience and make a good movie.
Besides, what really gets me apprehensive is that he is writing Ghost Rider, because if he was only directing, i wouldn´t be as apprehensice as i am.

Let´s give the movie a change.....

[Kable24]

You don't like MSJ writing? Man he wrote 2 of the all time funniest movies. Grumpy Old Men and Grumpier Old Men. I love those 2 movies.

[skorponok]

...like "boycotting" a movie on a movie news site is going to make any difference :rolleyes:

You know you'll still see it...

[Kmack]

Originally posted by TheBatman1979
You guys liked Daredevil? :confused:
Daredevil was awesome!

[Angus]

DareDevil was two of the most painful hours I've ever sat through. It was, with some exceptions (Jenn Garner and the guy who played Kingpin whose name I can't recall), tragically casted (Ben Aflec is just pathetic), weakly acted (again, Aflec), poorly written, and horribly directed. The fights sucked, the dialogue was lame, and I am dumber for having seen it (maybe that's why I can't remember that big black dude's name).

My first and only viewing was on DVD, and I reluctantly watched the special features. It was clear that MSJ doesn't know how to make these kind of movies. Even if he did have a good vision for this film, he lacked the ability to transfer it onto the screen. Someone said that the Grumpy Old Men movies were good. Sure, but their about grumpy old men, not action/super heros. Believe it or not, there's a difference. I have no faith in his ability to make this Ghost Rider film even tolerable. Especially with such a weak and obnoxious actor like Nick Cage, who has never been good in anything, in the title role. That's like casting Pee-Wee Herman as the next Terminator.

Ladies and Gentlemen, this movie WILL suck.

[PaleRider]

I think this is one of those movies that I will see no matter if it looks crappy or not. I've been waiting for this movie for so long that I'm going to see it no matter what.

[Isildur´s Heir]

Originally posted by Kable24
You don't like MSJ writing? Man he wrote 2 of the all time funniest movies. Grumpy Old Men and Grumpier Old Men. I love those 2 movies.

I never saw those movies, but he wrote the awful Big Bully (with Rick Moranis and Tom Arnold...a piece of crap that i saw a couple of years ago), the amazingly bad Jack Frost and the mediocre Daredevil.

The only movie directed by him that is not that badly written is Simon Birch, but that is because it´s based on a novel.

[Kable24]

I recommend seeing Grumpy Old Men. It has a great cast
Jack Lemmon, Walter Malthau, Burgess Meredith, Kevin Pollack, Ann Margeret and Darryl Hannah. Jack and Walter are hilarious in the movie. Grumpier has the same case, but adds Sophia Loren. I've only seen Simon Burch once and thought it was pretty good. Like any writer you have you bad and good scripts. Grumpy and Grumpier are his two best.

[Spider-Fan]

Originally posted by TheBatman1979
Okay, you don't read daredevil yet can express an opinion a movie that doesn't follow the characterization that was set in the books. It's like saying I saw Lord of the Rings and thought it was Perfect even though you never read the books which are the basis for the movie or watching anything for that matter that has already been done in another medium and saying that it lived up to what it was supposed to be.

Sheep are people who follow because they can't form their own opinions. To for an opinion you need to be educated on thesubject in order to form an opinion, unless you're a fool. Read young one.

OK, your saying that to form an opinion on a movie, I have to look at every source that they used to make it. That is utter BS. I never read LOTR and never will, but I loved the movies. I can have my opinion on something without reading the source material. I read Frank Miller's Daredevil, and you know what, I also happen to love the Daredevil movie. I also liked Punisher and Hulk if you want to make something of that. When I watch a movie, I watch it thinking that it is a movie, not "thats not how it happend in the comics". Movies to me are movies, and I rate them based on the movie, not how closely they follow the comic.

[BlackKnight]

Daredevil actually was close to the orgin of the charater and was a good film.. Never have grasp the major dislike for it, but each to his or her own. As for Ghost Rider if it has a horrible script and they change everything about the charater like they did in CINO then I will pan it, if not I will give it a chance.
Hell I gave the Hulk a chance and felt ill after seeing how the messed up his oragin...

[KetchBlaze]

Lets just see how it turns out before we make any judgements. Waddaya think?

[Kable24]

Let's see some promo shots of GR and a trailer to even start opinions.

[KetchBlaze]

agreed

[Spider-Fan]

I also agree.

[skorponok]

Originally posted by Kable24
Let's see some promo shots of GR and a trailer to even start opinions.

[skorponok]

mmmhmmm...as I said, making a thread to "boycott" something on a message board is...well...useless...

[Savage]

Okay, you don't read daredevil yet can express an opinion a movie that doesn't follow the characterization that was set in the books. It's like saying I saw Lord of the Rings and thought it was Perfect even though you never read the books which are the basis for the movie or watching anything for that matter that has already been done in another medium and saying that it lived up to what it was supposed to be. Umm. Here's a news update for ya: People can like movies WITHOUT knowing the source material. You think many people out there know Road To Perdition and Ghost World were based on comics? Hell I wouldn't be suprised if a few even laughed at the concept but it's the truth. I loved the Lord of The Ring movies but truth be told, never even heard of the books before the movie started being hyped up. I read the Daredevil books. There are different interpretations of the character by different writers but I felt the DD I saw on there was spot on. Affleck got Matt Murdock perfectly and DD as well imo.

Anyway, don't start judging a movie before we even hear anything about it other than script rumor after script rumor. When we get something truly solid, then we can either ***** and moan or praise.

[Guyverjay]

DD was horrible:(

[demento]

Anyone who lists The Punisher as their #1 favorite comic-to-film adaptation... ah, nevermind. That movie made me laugh (unintentionally) more frequently than any other that I can recall seeing in my 30+ years.

Daredevil was another swing and a miss, though not on the level of The Punisher. I wouldn't have minded MSJ directing GR but writing it? No way. And please someone, don't let him flood this picture with the same Evanescense-esque quasi-goth nu-metal crap that helped neuter Daredevil. Save that un-atmospheric bull****e for the next installment of The Real World.

And so, I'm expecting another cinematic abortion from Johnson... but I hope he proves me wrong.

[Kable24]

Well, The Punisher is my favorite comic book movie with Daredevil in the top five. My opinions and I stick to them. Nothing anyone will ever say on these boards will ever change my opinions of these movie.

[KetchBlaze]

And that affects the GR film how?

[Kable24]

Read Dementos post and it will explain my positioning on movies and my opinions. It has absolutely nothing to do with GR. Like how most posts get after the second page. Get over it.

[KetchBlaze]

Dont get pi$$y. I misread the page I was on, forgot to quote and ended up posting under you

[dk]

Daredevil was a mediocre film. But I respect Mark Steven Johnson's passion for comic books as source material, and understand that DD was an early directing effort for him. It was the first action movie he ever directed. There's lots of room for improvement, but MSJ may be capable of improving with Ghost Rider.

From what he's said, MSJ's version of the story will be much more in-line with the comics than David Goyer's version, which had almost nothing to do with the comics. I'd rather see something I recognize as coming from the comic books.

Danny Ketch fans should probably be happy with the casting of Nic Cage. His age, and the fact that he's a major star might hinder his ability to come back for sequels. If Ghost Rider does well enough to warrant a part 2, they may have to re-cast the lead. That opens it up for Ketch, IMO.

Ghost Rider should never be rated anything but PG-13. No Ghost Rider comic book ever published reflects an R-rating. It's all PG-13 material. Why alter the source material to make it more hardcore? Unless the idea is to lose money.

Boycotting this particular film is a bit premature, IMO. It's really too early to tell. Honestly, there's signs that a more faithful adaptation is being made now than what would have come from Goyer/Norrington. To me, that's encouraging.

[BIGGUN]

I've read the Goyer script and its nothing to lose sleep over. overall its pretty mediocre as far as action movies go...if you take GR out it would fit in w/ the majority of action flicks that were coming out of the 80s/early 90s.
Only a highly talented director could make something special out of it...and Norrington would not have been up to the task. GR fans should be happy that this particular script was canned.
i hoping to get a review together and post it on MarvelM's site during the week.

As far as boycotting goes...even if ALL of the GR fans got together and refused to go see it...nothing will happen. Why? there are not that many fans to make a difference and GR is not a well known comic character.
The best thing we can do is make suggestions here at the Hype forum boards or even write to Marvel and just hope that MSJ/Arad are willing to hear them.

[KetchBlaze]

I'll be in line to see it, and I'll keep an open mind about it. If it still sucks, then we can discuss it and it's suck-itude in the grand scheme of Marvel Movies

[Sgt.FrankCastle]

I guess i will watch ghost rider, and i hope is rules. As for daredevil, was pretty cool, won't complain too much. apart from the see saw fight...eeesh!

[KetchBlaze]

Maybe not a large fan base, but we're strong enougn to at least spray paint some nasty things on the walls

[X The Bends X]

Actually i was kinda looking foward to the Ghost Rider movie.Lets face it no matter how bad it "might" be it still wont be as bad as Crapwoman

[Quentin Black]

Daredevil was a good comic film that was also faithful to the source in themes, style and characters. Not perfect but fairly close. MSJ did a good job and put in a lot of effort to get it right and has the potential to do the same for Ghostrider.

Last time I check Nic Cage was a good actor and I can see him pull this off.

The PG-13 rating is slightly disconcerting but DD got alot of violence past that rating and personally I don't need lots of gore or swearing for this to be good.

[The Kryptonian]

There are many things I don't like about the Ghost Rider movie.

The fact that Nic Cage is starring.
The fact that MSJ is directing. (After what he did with DD, I'd never let him direct again)
And the fact that it might get a PG-13 rating. A Ghost Rider movie should be R Rated.

I hope these dudes know what they're doing with this film, 'cause I don't want any dissapointments like I had with DD.

[SuperFerret]

DD sucked. Elektra actually looks like it's going to be better than that crap.


I don't know about anyone else but Jennifer garner as Elektra was one of the worst things about that movie.

Anyway, it's dumb to judge a movie that's not even out yet. Just because MSJ is directing doesn't mean that this movie will be as bad as many claim DD was. (I enjoyed it, for the most part) Even "good" directors make bad movies (coughGeorgeLucascough) and sometimes "bad" directors can make an enjoyable movie. Plus, the 'cool factor" of a biker with a flaming skull as a head alone will attract many to go see it. I keep an optimistic outlook unytil I get information saying otherwise.

[Savage]

Great post. And it's "Penance Stare" btw.:)

[FlameHead]

Boycott...

wtf?

Boycott this thread is what needs to happen..

I'm with you on that one. The problem is, in order to support you, I had to post in the thread. Damn.

There's no way in hell I'm not gonna see this movie 15 times. Nic Cage or Nic Simpson, I don't care, I'm watching this movie.

[Joker]

I loved Daredevil...the directors cut is going to own...and why would GR have to be rated R? it's not like it was a f**king MAX comic or something, it was pretty much PG13...if Ghost Rider had gone around in his comic beheading street punks with his chain or something I could see an R rating, but the Penance Stare just isnt very graphic :o

[Union Jack]

i don't get what it is about films having to be R rated (18 certificate over here in the UK).
i mean star wars was a U(universal),which mean its goes along side films and \TV programs such as my little pony and care bears in certification.
yet star wars is one of the best films ever made IMO.
as long as the film is good,thats all that counts,not the blood,gore and nudity and body count.
BTW i thought daredevil was great.
though i'm not too sure about cage as ghost rider either.

[ViscaBarcaInter]

We're talking about a bad ass mofo who rides a SWEET ass bike, and has a flaming skull for a head.

How can this film NOT rule all?

[Kable24]

I don't understand the obsession with having to make all movies rated R to be good. Like someone posted earlier the rating doesn't make the movie good. Script, directing and acting make the movie good. Ghost Rider could be a totally kickass movie with a PG or PG-13 rating. PG-13 guarantees more kids get to see it as well, which means more money for the movie.

[FlameHead]

I don't understand the obsession with having to make all movies rated R to be good. Like someone posted earlier the rating doesn't make the movie good. Script, directing and acting make the movie good. Ghost Rider could be a totally kickass movie with a PG or PG-13 rating. PG-13 guarantees more kids get to see it as well, which means more money for the movie.

No, not all movies have to be rated R. However, a movie that involves deals with devils, flaming motorcycle-ridin' vengence seekers do. Maybe not R, but something more than PG 13. You see, I want to see vengence served like it was served in Punisher; Brutal. I don't want any reason for them to tame down this character.

[Kable24]

I've only ever read the Dan Ketch Ghost Rider and this was 10 years ago or so. I don't remember GH killing anyone. I think a GH movie could be brutal with a PG-13 rating.

[RedIsNotBlue]

No, not all movies have to be rated R. However, a movie that involves deals with devils, flaming motorcycle-ridin' vengence seekers do. Maybe not R, but something more than PG 13. You see, I want to see vengence served like it was served in Punisher; Brutal. I don't want any reason for them to tame down this character.

Agreed. This is quote from Cage that kind of upsets me....He says that he sees the world of comic books as "a fantasy place for children and younger people." Come on...I want a dark story with no holding back. And a comic to movie very similar to this by the name of Spawn was PG-13 and you remember how that turned out. :Shivers in disgust:

[BIGGUN]

Also keep in mind Spawn came out in the early 90s...and was just a poor film. from the sound of things the producers and makers are taking their time on GR and that is always a good thing.
its true they could "kiddie-fi" GR but i dont think they will....even though much of the violence in the comics wasnt outright graphic its not kid-friendly either. Marvel has had a great track record of keeping true to the spirit of the comics for their films. yes some things were changed but the heart of the characters and story were there. Arad and Co. would really be smoking something harsh if they do make this overly kid friendly...i just cant see them being that dumb.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Sounds like you are just showing a lot of hope and faith in Marvel but I hope it turns out to be good and not something just made to draw kids in. Just the fact that the guy is supposed to be playing Ghost Rider is saying something like comics are a fantasy place for children...he makes it sound like the ****ing Wizard of Oz....this is a movie that I wanna see dark.

[BIGGUN]

If Marvel had the same track record as say Warner then i would be worried....REALLY worried! but so far ive been impressed w/ their film adaptations (since blade). some are better than others sure but ive enjoyed all of them...cant say the same of the WB sadly.
yeah it is hopeful but realistically i cant see GR adapted just for kids. that would piss off alot of long time fans....like myself ...who grew up w/ the character since the 70's. i wouldnt put too much stock into what Cage said. that was right when Goyer left and the R script was dropped. MSJ hadnt joined at that point yet. also keep in mind 9/11 just happened at that time and movies on the whole had to adapt. certain films got canned (tick tock), delayed, or made less violent.
hollywood likes to follow certain trends or formulas...there had been PG 13 films that were very dark and violent (the ring, LOTR trilogy for example) and im sure there is a good chance that the violence in GR could be at that kind of level.

[knack]

I'm cautiously optimistic about this film. Daredevil was a good film but could have been so better. The director should have more leeway with Ghost Rider and hopefully that might make for a successful.
A PG-13 film doesn't bother me too much providing the director knows what he is doing. I'm reminded of the scene in Spidey 2 where they are trying to remove Doc Ock's artificial limbs. Raimi created a brilliant scene that skimped on out and out gore but still wouldn't have looked out of place in an Aliens film. Lord of the Rings, the recent Harry Potter film had scenes that some thought might be too much for their ratings. Don't get me wrong, I would prefer a movie that had the same kind of tone as Blade but PG-13 isn't the end of the world.

[murdock_matt]

Here's my stance on the Daredevil movie: I've been a Daredevil fan since I was 11 years old despite the fact that I recognized him as a second tier character in the Marvel universe. Let's face it: you can't list DD as one of the five top Marvel books (single characters or teams). On top of the pile is Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, Hulk, X-Men, Captain America - among others who were immediately recognized by the average, non-comic-reading John Q. Public's. So I always thought of it as a far-fetched fantasy to ever see a live-action film based on Daredevil. When the Trial of the Incredible Hulk debuted on television, I resigned myself to the fact that it was the only living, breathing incarnation of old Hornhead I would ever see. And that representation (still) blows.

In comes MSJ with a mission to do Daredevil justice, and in my opinion, he did. The costume was acceptably accurate. Foggy Nelson, Ben Urich, Karen Page (can't wait to see more of her in the Director's Cut), Battlin Jack Murdock, Bullseye, Kingpin, Elektra were all there. And Matt Murdock was still a blind, justice-hungry lawyer/vigilante who got more ass than a toilet seat!

The script was a coherent cut-and-paste job of Frank Miller's greatest storylines. MKC was the best choice for Kingpin. I could go on and on about the finer points of this movie, but I would simply be opening myself up to those highly educated, knee-jerk-reflex-nay-saying retorts of "Ah, man, Daredevil sucked."

It all boils down to this... Daredevil was a dream come true for me. A seemingly impossible dream come true. I mean, Daredevil... in his OWN movie! How awesome is that? And the film more than delivered. And now, MSJ has Ghost Rider. I say, give it to him. It's better to have someone who's passionate about the material, willing to stay true to the comic roots and dedicated to producing a product of love than some flash in the pan director who's just out on some monetary venture.

Give the guy a break! He's a geek who's out there making things happen, instead of sitting around posting hate messages on internet boards.

[RedIsNotBlue]

MKC was the best choice for Kingpin.

It's better to have someone who's passionate about the material, willing to stay true to the comic roots and dedicated to producing a product of love than some flash in the pan director who's just out on some monetary venture.

Last time I checked Kingpin was a fat white man. Also in the movie you do not see the close relationship Fisk is supposed to have with his son and wife which is something shown in the comics.

[murdock_matt]

Listen to MSJ's reasoning for casting Michael Clark Duncan, and you'll have to agree with him. It's not about skin color. It's about presence, it's about size without padded shirts and platform shoes.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Yeah your right...let's make Batman Asian-American, Spider-man Indian.......give me a break. Skin color does not matter in life...yes this is true...but for a comic book characters appearance...it does matter. The characters should look how they look in the comics...period. There are plenty of white guys that are close to MCD's size that could have played Kingpin so don't use that excuse. I think MSJ mainly just picked Duncan for his voice to be honest.

[Nero_Ordin]

daredevil is a great movie but just like the hulk we won't see another one. ghost rider should be rated r because it not exactly for kids but i still see it if it is pg13.

[Spider-Fan]

I firmly believe Hulk and Daredevil will get sequels.

[Aethea]

Nicholas Cage? I wanna VOMIT right now Exorcist Style. This movie will suck!

[Red Mask]

I firmly believe Hulk and Daredevil will get sequels.

Someday.

[FlameHead]

Last time I checked Kingpin was a fat white man. Also in the movie you do not see the close relationship Fisk is supposed to have with his son and wife which is something shown in the comics.

Kingpin is not fat. He only has 2% body fat. His size is all muscle baby, muscle.
Personally, I have no problem with them using MCD in DareDevil. Where else where they goingi to get a man that large to do that? Nowhere.

As for Ghost Rider, there is no way they are going to make this movie for kids... and I'm sorta pleading with somebody 'up there' when I say that.

[ritually shorn]

Daredevil sucked but hopefully this will be different. Ghost Rider is a great character and I'm hoping this director can and will do better.

[TheGhostRider]

A film about Ghost Rider cannot be anywhere near a PG-13 were talkin about the baddest mofo ever here come on do u really think there gonna make it a 13? would u want ur kids to go see ghost and wet themselve in the cinema i think not so i doubt this film will be a PG-13

[Zalaster]

A rating in itself is not an indicator of a film's worth. I agree that PG-13 works because GR has been a comics code comic. PG-13 allows a greater audience as well. GR is a badass mofo, but he tends more towards menacing presence than blood and gore that would ellicit the R rating.

As far as Micheal Duncan Clark goes, can you name a white actor with the same physical presence and acting ability that could have played Kingpin?

I will be seeing GR on the big screen whenever it comes out no matter what of course :ghost:

[TheGhostRider]

There was no other man that could have played KingPin so how could he not be the KingPin

[Spidey-Quad]

Never! Make Mine Marvel

[Red Mask]

There was no other man that could have played KingPin so how could he not be the KingPin

Well, if you invest millions of extra dollars for CGI, you could have the complete opposite of LOTR's Golum. But do you really think that's a sound decision when all you need is a real person?

It's better to put those millions in the CGI of Ghost Rider.

[FlameHead]

Most of the budget for the GR movie will go to CGI. NO doubt about that, if they care about the movie at all that is.

[Sledge]

Since the PG-13/R Rating seems to be a big topic...

Alien vs. Predator come to mind. You see where I'm going with this? You have two great movie franchises Alien and Predator, all of which were R-Rated. The originals are considered classics and while Predator 2 wasn't great by all means it was a hell of a lot better than AvP. My point is look how good the R rated versions were. Then look at AvP a PG-13 movie. It sucked horribly. There was too much they had to hold back to make it PG-13 (which I think is crap considering if it's PG-13 it will bring in a lot of young people that would be scared *****less by the originals. Plus, they made the Predator a puss. lol)

The Punisher also comes to mind. R-Rated but think how bad it would have been had it been PG-13. I loved The Punisher but without some of the cool ***** we saw it wouldn't have been as good and a good chunk would have to be taken out. (Hell, I dont think a PG-13 movie would have a kid and his mommy die like the way they did.) Try to picture Punisher as a PG-13 and that is exactly why GR needs to be R.

(BTW, I get teary eyed everytime when he puts the gun in his mouth at the end... LOL!)

[FlameHead]

Well said my friend. I hope that the studio will see exactly the same way you (and the rest of us true GR fans) do. I just fear that the script isn't exactly how we want it to be. I fear it'll lack the vengence and involve more of the Blaze struggle... as I've always feared.

[ViscaBarcaInter]

Kingpin is not fat. He only has 2% body fat. His size is all muscle baby, muscle.
Personally, I have no problem with them using MCD in DareDevil. Where else where they goingi to get a man that large to do that? Nowhere.

As for Ghost Rider, there is no way they are going to make this movie for kids... and I'm sorta pleading with somebody 'up there' when I say that.

I had no problem with that either. The producers had stated that he was the only decent actor who auditioned/asked for the part, as the only white guys that were possibilities were wrestlers. And everyone knows how comic book fans feel about wrestlers playing comic characters.

Ghost Rider probably will R rated. It's not so much the violence, but the actual character and the stuff involved. Hell, it's almost occult! There are some things that shouldn't be sacrificed so kids can watch. Personally, as much as I loved Spider-Man 2, every time I went to see it I felt like dishing out some Punishment. To the kids behind me talking about how great it was then how **** it was, and so on. To the pair who went to the toilet 8 times. To the kid who ran to the toilet every 15 minutes (although he had the decency to do a commando crawl back to his seat). To the little girl who kept asking what Spider-Man was doing in every scene. To all the people shouting and screaming.

No, I'd like to see Ghost Rider in Peace dammit!

[FlameHead]

*stands up and slowly begins clapping, building into an ovation worthy of kings*

Bravo! Bravo!

[WarBlade]

Frankly, I could care less what classification US censorship authorities dump on GR. My take on the situation is I simply want a film that is faithful to the comicbook. For the original series that meant a Jekyll & Hyde tale of a man struggling to contain his skull-headed and violent alter-ego in a Faustian tale of love, deception, pain and more. That comicbook delt with demons, the occult, human sacrifices and the psychology of a man going practically insane with his personal struggle and I really fail to see how much of that can be faithfully interpreted to screen in a version that is suitable for a younger audience.

With regards to the penance stare of the second series, I actually envisioned something far worse than just a pair of glowing eyes and some criminal turning catatonic under their baleful red glow. Within those eyes the criminals were said to have lived the experience that they themselves had forced upon others. To me that meant if some guy had bashed in someone's head with a crowbar, they would then see in GR's eyes an image of themselves revisiting that same misery on someone and then witness the situation twist further to the victim's perspective so as to look up at their own face as they experience the sensation of getting bludgeoned to death.

In other words, really . . . sick . . . *****. Something not suitable for minors to go and see anyway.

Furthermore, while Ghost Rider II maintained a no killing policy, those he hunted most certainly did not. They weren't on GR's hit list for burglary or kidnapping or smuggling. They were killers. Cold-blooded murderers who often had no qualms about snuffing the life of a child. Forget Deacon Frost grabbing a girl bystander for a random hostage in the First Blade movie. In GR second series Skinner sliced up his own wife and kids, because he was through with living like a human and Blackout tore the throat out of his news anchorwoman ex-girlfriend in mid-broadcast, just to get Ghost Rider's attention.

The comics were dark. While some of the material may have made a screen translation like what we saw with Hellboy, there was also the material that was headed well in the direction of Silence of the Lambs or Se7en.

I just want a faithful interpretation and censorship ratings can go sit on a corkscrew and rotate.

[TheGhostRider]

Since the PG-13/R Rating seems to be a big topic...

Alien vs. Predator come to mind. You see where I'm going with this? You have two great movie franchises Alien and Predator, all of which were R-Rated. The originals are considered classics and while Predator 2 wasn't great by all means it was a hell of a lot better than AvP. My point is look how good the R rated versions were. Then look at AvP a PG-13 movie. It sucked horribly. There was too much they had to hold back to make it PG-13 (which I think is crap considering if it's PG-13 it will bring in a lot of young people that would be scared *****less by the originals. Plus, they made the Predator a puss. lol)

The Punisher also comes to mind. R-Rated but think how bad it would have been had it been PG-13. I loved The Punisher but without some of the cool ***** we saw it wouldn't have been as good and a good chunk would have to be taken out. (Hell, I dont think a PG-13 movie would have a kid and his mommy die like the way they did.) Try to picture Punisher as a PG-13 and that is exactly why GR needs to be R.

(BTW, I get teary eyed everytime when he puts the gun in his mouth at the end... LOL!)
Thats a good point I've saw AvP and it sucked really bad compared to the originals and it was all because they couldnt have lil kids watchin a film where you see the predators and aliens eating ppl and ripping them to spreds u didnt even get to see the predator take any skulls and spines and all becuase it was pg-13 so if we want a faithful comic book film about Ghost rider it has to be r rated so that they can keep in the details if its pg-13 you probably wont even see the real transformation, can you think of a lil girl or boy watching a mans face burn and boil and his skin drip away i think not unless you want them scared for life

[Sledge]

I know it has nothing to do with GR but what this assclown said pissed me off. :p

...as the only white guys that were possibilities were wrestlers. And everyone knows how comic book fans feel about wrestlers playing comic characters.No, I don't know how comic book fans feel about wrestlers playing comic characters. Enlighten me. It's not like there have been a ton of wrestlers in Super Hero movies. The only ones that come to mind are Kevin Nash as The Russian in Punisher, Taylor Mane as Sabretooth in X-Men, Macho Man as Bonesaw in Spider-Man, and now Triple H as Jarko Grimwood in Blade: Trinity.

I really don't know what you mean, but obviously what you're saying is supposed to be negative. I think each of them were great in their roles. Hell, Bonesaw WAS a wrestler in Spider-Man, so a wrestler playing him isn't so crazy is it?

I just figure the reason you, or anyone else, doesn't like them is because of what they do for a living and you don't have any respect for the business, which if you understood in the first place you would actually have respect for.

I dunno. I'm biased towards it I guess since I'm a huge WWE fan. I really DO think it's stupid if the reason you don't like them is because of what they do for a living outside of the movies, if the reason was because they aren't good actors that would be another thing. I just figured you mean what every other closed mind person thinks about wrestling. Hey, whatever, but at least they had a dream about being wrestlers from growing up watching guys like Hulk Hogan, and they made their dreams happen. Which is more than I can say for most people.

I'm sure Donnie Darko would agree. (I saw a wrestler in his avatar so I figured...) lol

:)

If we're going to be stereotypical... I'm sure people that don't like comics think we're all nerds living in our parents basement, never having a girl, and never amounting to anything. Very few are like that though. It only seems to be true in the people that also hate wrestlers being in movies just because they don't respect wrestling. ;)

Now, back to your regularly scheduled topic... unless y'all want to bash me for liking wrestling (bring it ;), I wanna know who all the closed-minded assclowns are.).

(Sorry y'all that don't care either way. Just had to publically get that off my chest since it pissed me off as much as it did.)

[TheGhostRider]

Well Sledge if u look he didnt actually say anythin bad about wrestling he just made a point that most comic book fans dont like wrestlers in movies because they cant act i myself was once a wrestling fan until it became all about story lines and not the wrestling and im sure Visa is the same and all the wrestlers you mentioned in the roles look at how many lines they had and how much of a impact they had on the story.

[ViscaBarcaInter]

I know it has nothing to do with GR but what this assclown said pissed me off. :p

No, I don't know how comic book fans feel about wrestlers playing comic characters. Enlighten me. It's not like there have been a ton of wrestlers in Super Hero movies. The only ones that come to mind are Kevin Nash as The Russian in Punisher, Taylor Mane as Sabretooth in X-Men, Macho Man as Bonesaw in Spider-Man, and now Triple H as Jarko Grimwood in Blade: Trinity.

I really don't know what you mean, but obviously what you're saying is supposed to be negative. I think each of them were great in their roles. Hell, Bonesaw WAS a wrestler in Spider-Man, so a wrestler playing him isn't so crazy is it?

I just figure the reason you, or anyone else, doesn't like them is because of what they do for a living and you don't have any respect for the business, which if you understood in the first place you would actually have respect for.

I dunno. I'm biased towards it I guess since I'm a huge WWE fan. I really DO think it's stupid if the reason you don't like them is because of what they do for a living outside of the movies, if the reason was because they aren't good actors that would be another thing. I just figured you mean what every other closed mind person thinks about wrestling. Hey, whatever, but at least they had a dream about being wrestlers from growing up watching guys like Hulk Hogan, and they made their dreams happen. Which is more than I can say for most people.

I'm sure Donnie Darko would agree. (I saw a wrestler in his avatar so I figured...) lol

:)

If we're going to be stereotypical... I'm sure people that don't like comics think we're all nerds living in our parents basement, never having a girl, and never amounting to anything. Very few are like that though. It only seems to be true in the people that also hate wrestlers being in movies just because they don't respect wrestling. ;)

Now, back to your regularly scheduled topic... unless y'all want to bash me for liking wrestling (bring it ;), I wanna know who all the closed-minded assclowns are.).

(Sorry y'all that don't care either way. Just had to publically get that off my chest since it pissed me off as much as it did.)

No, I'm with you on the wrestlers thing. I'm a long time fan myself. But I've always noticed a LOT of people freaking out when someone says something like "Triple H for Thor" or something like that. They don't suggest anyone else, they just lash out at the idea of a wrestler playing a Superhero/Villain.

Personally, I don't see a problem with it. Professional wrestling IS live acting, after all, and there are a couple of wrestlers that could do a job as a comic character. We'll be able to judge better after Blade Trinity. If Triple H does a decent job of his character, he might be given a better opportunity, because he has the physique and the bad ass attitude to give a character justice. I don't feel a wrestler should be ruled out ENTIRELY because he is a wrestler.

[Sledge]

You're right. Absolutely not. While some of the wrestlers can't act worth a crap there are still the guys that are pretty damn convincing and I'm not talking about in the ring I'm talking about in the promos. Some of them can get the fans either pissed at or cheering for their character with just the faces they make and the actions they do (not counting the wrestling lol). I heard Trips is supposed to be awesome in Blade: Trinity and people thought he was so good that he is actually going to be in a new movie. It was supposed to start filming a few months ago but he ended up staying when the roster was in need of bigger names. Anyways he IS supposed to have his own lead role in something, I don't think it's a Comic though. Triple H and The Rock can justify that wrestlers can be good actors (Hogan sucked but atleast they had enough faith in him to put him in a handful of movies...lol).

[RedIsNotBlue]

You can pretty much just see how wrestlers act just from watching a WWE show once. I mean they are pretty much putting on a play that goes on most of the year. So if you have questionable thoughts about a wrestler's acting ability then just watch a show. I am not a fan of wrestling much anymore but I gotta say most them have done decent in the films they were in.

[ViscaBarcaInter]

Yep. Well, "What'cha Gonna Do"!

:D :D

Couldn't help it. You wrote "Hulk" and I instantly thought of 24 inch pythons!

[YJ1]

no way daredevil was ok

and ghost ride should be too!

The Ghost will RIDE again

Daredevil was better then OK and Nic Cage would be PERFECT! Ghost Rider will be a great film, PG-13 or not.

[TheGhostRider]

When The Hulkster Goes Wild On You!!!!!

[FlameHead]

WarBlade, I love reading the thing you write about our favorite Marvel hero. You have so much passion for the character that it almost brings a tear to my ear to read what you write. You're thoughts on the Penance Stare are right on. Exactly how I pictured it being. It's not some wussy power used to inflict fear. It's a terribly frighting power used to inflict pain. The same pains the reciever has inflicted on others, whatever that may be. If the one in question made a person cry from yelling at them, Ghost Rider will make that person feel the exact same pain. If they raped a small girl before tossing the lifeless body from a bridge, then Ghost Rider will make them experience that... but still live. Live to feel that pain for the rest of their now useless lives.

Oh... and Skinner was awesome. Such a powerfull character. I think I'd pick him as my favorite Lilin.

As for wrestlers acting in movies? I don't have any problem with Kevin Nash as The Russian in Punisher, Taylor Mane as Sabretooth in X-Men, Macho Man as Bonesaw in Spider-Man, and now Triple H as Jarko Grimwood in Blade: Trinity. Why don't I have a problem with any of these choices? Because they're not lead characters. They're all either cameo's or supporting roles. What I would have a problem with is either of those people (or any other famous wrestler) playin a character like Namor or Iron Man or any other famour character out there. I just don't think they'd be able to pull it off, not even HHH as Thor. And not only because they don't have the same acting ability as a real actor but because nobody will be able to take them seriously... including me.

Having said that, I think the stars of the WWE are truly talented... in their own realm. To command the attention of 10's of thousands of fans is not an easy thing to do and they do it with what seems like ease.

[Zilleraut #66]

:confused: :rolleyes:

John Voight is not the only actor involved with credibility, not even by a long shot.
Voight is a great actor, but so is Cage.
Now, if you tell that Cage is not a good casting, i have to agree with you, but that doesn´t say he doesn´t have any credibility.
Like Superman, he was totally wrong for the part, but he would have made a great role.

As for Mark Steven Johnson, i have to agree that he is not a great director...but is a way worst writer.
I´m very apprehensive for the movie since i heard about him on the director´s chair....Daredeviel was enough.
But, let´s look it this way, Mark Steven Johnson is a comic book fan, so, he might have learned from his previous experience and make a good movie.
Besides, what really gets me apprehensive is that he is writing Ghost Rider, because if he was only directing, i wouldn´t be as apprehensice as i am.

Let´s give the movie a change.....I can dig it. Nice post Issy.

[Sledge]

Having said that, I think the stars of the WWE are truly talented... in their own realm. To command the attention of 10's of thousands of fans is not an easy thing to do and they do it with what seems like ease.
:) I like you.

10's of thousands? Try 45 million+. ;)

You mean to tell me if Stone Cold played Superman you wouldn't like it? :P That would be hilarious. I'd love to see The Rock as Batman. I would pay serious dosh to see a Superman vs. Batman w/ Stone Cold and The Rock. lol

[Sauron]

Enough with all the boycotting already.

[Sledge]

Oh...my...****ing...lord. LOL

What the **** did he just say? I can't tell if he is serious or if he is acting retarded to make fun of someone.

Birthday:
September 13, 1975 Biography:
i loved comics and movies Location:
mexico Interests:
internet tv and movies Occupation:
chairman of a company Ok this cat is 29 years old and says his occupation is "chairman of a company" yet he can't spell if his life depended on it. What kind of real man, or human being in general, says their occupation is "chairman of a company".

His biography tells us he "loved" comics and movies. If it's in the past why even mention it?

The only excuse he has is he is from "mexico".

Weird ****. Actually here... "WWIREhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif F..K"

[FlameHead]

Calm down dingleberry.

[FlameHead]

Is this the right thing to do? ... Bump...

[Hunter Rider]

NO.
Why is this Anti GR thread in the GR forum,it sounds like it belongs in the batman one:ghost:
How can you make judgements with no Info.
God a director makes a slight chanege and people go nuts without even seeing his vision in action.:rolleyes: :ghost:

[The Kryptonian]

OMG. What's happening? We just got this forum a day ago, and an argument has already started, about the dumbest things.

Man, if Mirko see's this, I don't think he'll be happy about it. Just take a chill pill, and calm yourselves and make sure this doesn't happen again.

Come on guys, we've been waiting for a Ghost Rider forum for a long time, and we finally got one, let's not be the ones to take it away with bullcrap arguments.

[FlameHead]

This is a thread that was started long ago... and a discussion that will go on from this day to the day the movie actually is realeased. It was resurfaced because we now have a forum to put it in.

This is a debate, not an argument.

[Isildur´s Heir]

This is not a MSJ bashing thread, so, if you want it, make it elsewhere.

First of all, let me tell that i´ve been more and more apprehensive with each comic book movie being made, because something in all of them don´t feel quite right, so, i can at least say that GH is the one i´m least concern about.
In fact, the only movies i´ve been completly at ease about was X2, SM2, Blade II Hellboy and Hulk, and now, the upcoming Batman Begins.
And X2, Blade II and SM2 were because i don´t usually become that much apprehensive over sequels.

Now, after saying this, one of the things i concern about this movie is the fact that is not R-Rated.
I agree with MSJ when he says that you don´t need gore and extreme violence in Ghost Rider, but you need it to be rated R.
C´Mon, the movie deals with pacts with the devil, demonic possession, the occult....it´s a very supernatural movie, or at least, it should be.
At alone makes the movie R-Rated.
And that all needs to be taken very seriously and adult, think The Exorcist and Poltergeist, but in a comic book way.
If it´s not taken seriously, it will be a little ridiculous.

I just don´t feel that Sony will want the movie to be that dark and serious..that makes me very unease, because the last thing Ghost Rider needs is to be an action/adventure movie.


There are more things about the movie that makes me apprehensive, but, for now, let´s deal with this...

[dk]

There's nothing in the GHOST RIDER comics themselves that's beyond PG-13 material - as long as they're planning to use a little restraint in the adaptation to live action. It's not like HELLBLAZER for example, where certain comics depict graphic violence, sex and liberal use of the f-bomb. CONSTANTINE will be a watered-down version of HELLBLAZER to get its PG-13 rating. GHOST RIDER would have to accentuate the occult themes and violence of the comics to be rated R. It's a PG-13 comic.

POLTERGEIST was rated PG - before the PG-13 rating existed.

In other words, there's no real reason GHOST RIDER has to be rated R, unless the filmmakers want to limit a portion of their core audience from seeing it, thereby increasing the chance of not making their money back.

[Isildur´s Heir]

So, let me see if i got this straight....is your understanding that Ghost Rider should be a action/adventure movie?
And when i say action/adventure, i´m thinking Spider-Man or X-Men.

Ghost Rider is a movie dealing with demonic possessions, demons, pacts with the devil (Mephisto, in this case), the occult, the supernatural....all things that should be taken seriously, because, if you take this subjects lightly, the movie will be a little on the dumb side.

That´s why i feel that the R-Rated in needed, not because of gore, violence or the any other such thing, but because what i stated above makes automatically a movie to be R-Rated.

[BIGGUN]

[QUOTE=Isildur´s
That´s why i feel that the R-Rated in needed, not because of gore, violence or the any other such thing, but because what i stated above makes automatically a movie to be R-Rated.[/QUOTE]


disagree w/ you there...just look at recent horror films lately. The Grudge, The Ring....shoot look at Spawn... all were PG 13...Spawn even deals w/ the subject of Hell, Demons and the Devil...didnt do a good job at it but it was there. The Grudge was something else too....that movie certainly wasnt made for 13 and younger....no way.
Even if they simply call the Devil "Mephisto" the audience will be smart enough to know who he is...you dont need to spell everything out for them.
as long as they dont use over the top human gore, profantiy, or nudity...they should be able to include all kinds of references to the supernatural.
maybe you might know this...but is there anything in the MPAA guidlines where if Satanism is mentioned or used in a film it would automatically give it a R rating?

[Isildur´s Heir]

Spawn is a piece of crap, so, let´s not even think about it.
I haven´t seen The Grudge yet, but, as you say, it should not be PG-13.

As for the MPAA to automatically rate a movie R because it deals with Satanism, i don´t know, but i believe that any movie that deals with the paranormal, supernatural, occult, demonic possession, demons, and alike, in a very dark and serious is R-Rated...not lightly.
Look at Poltergeist for example, it is R-Rated and deal with those issues in a very strong and serious way.
There isn´t any human gore, profantiy, or nudity, and it´s a R-rated just the same.
And the movie doesn´t have reference to Satanism and alike.

But, bottom line, i´ll be perfectly happy if they rate it PG-13 but make a very serious movie about all those issues, because to take lightly something like this kind of paranormal and supernatural will be a little on the dumb side....like Spawn, and no one wants another Spawn.

[BIGGUN]

Spawn might be crap...but its important simply for the fact they deal w/ those hellish subjects and was still PG 13.

Poltergeist was initially rated R...but after the producers protested the MPAA backed down and gave it a PG....if there was a PG 13 rating back then they would have given it that. in fact i can remember that the reason why the rating of PG 13 came into existence was because of Poltergeist and Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. Poltergeist 2 and 3 were definately rated PG 13....you can check out IMDB.com if you want to be sure...look under Certification.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084516/

[dk]

Poltergeist was initially rated R...but after the producers protested the MPAA backed down and gave it a PG....if there was a PG 13 rating back then they would have given it that.[/url]

Absolutely correct. The point is, there's a lot of room within a PG-13 rating to work with the supernatural elements of GHOST RIDER, as long as graphic violence, language, etc., don't enter into things.

So, let me see if i got this straight....is your understanding that Ghost Rider should be a action/adventure movie?
And when i say action/adventure, i´m thinking Spider-Man or X-Men.[/url]

I think GHOST RIDER should have action and adventure in it. The comic books do. GR is essentially a super-hero with a horror slant. I don't see a direct comparison in content or tone to something like THE EXORCIST, even though both stories deal with possession.

GHOST RIDER should have the same dark tone as the BLADE films, IMO. Those could be PG-13 if the violence and language weren't amped up from the comics. Essentially, they're action/adventure films with a horror slant.

[Isildur´s Heir]

If you look at it, in the bit you quote, i describe what i feel as action/adventure in this case, something in the lines of Spider-Man and X-Men.

I don´t feel that the Ghost Rider should have that kind of tone when it comes to action/adventure, that´s why i compare it to The Exorcist, because i feel that is that kind of tone, darkness and seriousness that the movie needs when addressing this issues of the occult and paranormal.

[dk]

If you look at it, in the bit you quote, i describe what i feel as action/adventure in this case, something in the lines of Spider-Man and X-Men.

Well, neither of those are pure action/adventure movies if you want to get down to it - like Raiders of the Lost Ark, or something. The X-Men films are sci-fi/action and the Spider-Man movies are straight-up superhero. Ghost Rider should be action/horror - similar to Blade. The Exorcist is not an action/horror film. It's pure horror. The problem with taking Ghost Rider as seriously as something like the Exorcist, is that the story involves a skeleton walking around in biker gear and driving a hell-cycle. These are not elements of pure horror.

You can certainly take the Ghost Rider character seriously, but you're not going to convice even the most willing of audiences that it's all "real." Ghost Rider is escapist fantasy stuff - as it should be.

By the nature of the character, I expect the film will have a darker tone than either Spider-Man or X-Men - though maybe not Daredevil. In the end, Ghost Rider is still based on a comic book and it still has elements of superhero in it. The movie wouldn't be true to the source material if it didn't follow suit.

[Isildur´s Heir]

Well, neither of those are pure action/adventure movies if you want to get down to it - like Raiders of the Lost Ark, or something. The X-Men films are sci-fi/action and the Spider-Man movies are straight-up superhero. Ghost Rider should be action/horror - similar to Blade. The Exorcist is not an action/horror film. It's pure horror. The problem with taking Ghost Rider as seriously as something like the Exorcist, is that the story involves a skeleton walking around in biker gear and driving a hell-cycle. These are not elements of pure horror.
It all depends on what you want to make witht the movie.
If you could take the Hulk or the upcoming Batman Begins in a very serious and adult way, you take the Ghost Rider as well.
I find that, if you don´t try to take this issues seriously, the movie can end on the dumb side.

You can certainly take the Ghost Rider character seriously, but you're not going to convice even the most willing of audiences that it's all "real." Ghost Rider is escapist fantasy stuff - as it should be.
As much as you are not going to convince that a girl possessed by a demon is capable of levitate or turn her head all the way.
Or that in Poltergeist, a little girl can be abducted inside a TV, or that a tree can come to live and try to eat a kid.
But the movies are very serious and adult nontheless, it´s all in the way the thing is done and deal with.

By the nature of the character, I expect the film will have a darker tone than either Spider-Man or X-Men - though maybe not Daredevil. In the end, Ghost Rider is still based on a comic book and it still has elements of superhero in it. The movie wouldn't be true to the source material if it didn't follow suit.
But the thing is, i don´t think that Sony is going to take the movie as seriously as it should be.
As you state, it might not be as dark as Daredevil, when Ghost Rider should be much more darker than DD wildest dreams.


Bottom line is, i´m a big comic book fan and a amateur filmaker, so, is my understanding that comic book movies should be taken very seriuously....the more serious and adult possible, that´s why i love Hulk and i´m very hyped for the upcoming Batman Begins.
Hell, in some old issue of Wizard i read, by some writer or artist, that the word COMIC BOOKS might, something, fool some people because, when they see that, the first thing to cross their minds is that it is a very kiddy thing, when the thing is, since the 70´s, comic books are becoming more and more adult and serious.
If you look at the majority of comic books, the issues that matter, the issues that develop the character story are always dramatic and adult....you have, The Death of Gwen Stacy, Knightfall, The Killing Joke, The Death of Superman...just to name a very few of them, and not the 100th time that Spider-Man fights Venom.
But the thing is, the comic book format, the drawings and colors, make many people look at it as things for 10yr old boys.
Sure that the action and the thrills and the aventure and the excitement as to be there, because it´s inherent to the comic book movie, because they are superheros and supervillains, but that´s the beauty of it, to see the world through diferent eyes, from the perspective of not so normal people.

Now, after saying all this, is my understanding, that you need...you really need to take GR very seriously.
You have to get the audience to understand and, above all, feel that they are watching a man that made a pact with the devil (Mephisto, in this case) and his possessed by a demon.
You can´t make a movie about a guy that makes a pact with the devil as it is the most normal thing to do, and that to be possessed by a demon is a thing that happens on a daily basis.

[dk]

There's a danger in taking comic book adaptations too seriously, I feel. Some would say HULK is an example that bears this theory out, though I like the film, personally. That's not to say all comic movies have to be treated as shlocky camp for small children and idiots like CATWOMAN was - there's middle ground to work with.

Bottom line: comics, and comic book heroes specifically, are meant to be escapist fantasy. They may touch on deeper or more adult themes from time-to-time, but they generally are not meant to be adult entertainment - not like the Exorcist is adult entertainment. Comic derived concepts generally appeal to all ages. Kids and teens like the characters, adults can get into the stories a bit, etc. It's an inclusive genre. I wouldn't want to see a Ghost Rider film that's so intense, kids under 17 have to stay away to avoid having nightmares about the devil. I think that would be missing the entire point of the comics, frankly.

GHOST RIDER was never a hardcore, Vertigo-style book. The original 70's comic was clearly aimed at kids and the 90's version was suitable for teens and young adults. Why harden the material up to Exorcist-levels? There's no reason to do it, other than to appease a minority group of fanboys who want to see blood and guts or explicit pacts with satan gone into in great detail. As I said, all this does is limit the audience. A bunch of people who would otherwise want to see GHOST RIDER won't be able to. So they'll wait to see it on video, or buy tickets to another movie and sneak in - both cases hurting the box office.

[Crowley9]

Hellboy was PG-13 as well, and there the main character was a demon from Hell and it included nazis partaking in occult rituals and more.

[Isildur´s Heir]

There's a danger in taking comic book adaptations too seriously, I feel. Some would say HULK is an example that bears this theory out, though I like the film, personally. That's not to say all comic movies have to be treated as shlocky camp for small children and idiots like CATWOMAN was - there's middle ground to work with.
It all comes down to how look at it, but quite frankly, no comic book movie should be treated as shlocky camp for small children and idiots.
Many people may find Hulk boring, pretencious and s**t, but the real deal is that Ang Lee really understood what the Hulk was about....repressed feelings, a very psychological movie.
Now, the thing is, i came to the conclusion that a lot of the so called fans don´t even understand what the characters are about, all they care is the fights and special effects (and i don´t mean you, dk).
The most important thing when making a comic book is to understand the character and what is all about, that´s why i get very apprehensive about some of the movies, because i don´t get the notion that director understand it (not in the case of Ghost Rider), besides that it is a guy with powers and a suit.

Bottom line: comics, and comic book heroes specifically, are meant to be escapist fantasy. They may touch on deeper or more adult themes from time-to-time, but they generally are not meant to be adult entertainment - not like the Exorcist is adult entertainment. Comic derived concepts generally appeal to all ages. Kids and teens like the characters, adults can get into the stories a bit, etc. It's an inclusive genre. I wouldn't want to see a Ghost Rider film that's so intense, kids under 17 have to stay away to avoid having nightmares about the devil. I think that would be missing the entire point of the comics, frankly.
It´s not the fact that it should be adult entertainment, but rather that it should be taken seriously and adult.
Look at Hulk for example, you have a movie with a green monster destroying everything in his path, but you also have a very serious and adult movie about repressed feelings.
The thing is, you need to make a movie feel real, to actually believe that there is a guy that was bitten by a radioactive spider (for example), and for that, you need to take it seriously, to ask yourself, how would be world react and himself, if there was in fact a guy that could crawl up walls and swing around the city with home made webs.
How would people be world react if there was supervillains, that sort of thing, things that, in my opinion, are missing in almost all the comic book movies, except Hulk, X2 and Hellboy.
And those reactions need to feel real...i can´t explain it better than this.

GHOST RIDER was never a hardcore, Vertigo-style book. The original 70's comic was clearly aimed at kids and the 90's version was suitable for teens and young adults. Why harden the material up to Exorcist-levels? There's no reason to do it, other than to appease a minority group of fanboys who want to see blood and guts or explicit pacts with satan gone into in great detail. As I said, all this does is limit the audience. A bunch of people who would otherwise want to see GHOST RIDER won't be able to. So they'll wait to see it on video, or buy tickets to another movie and sneak in - both cases hurting the box office.
In the 70´s, everything was MU; now, Marvel is realizing that a lot of comic books are not suitable for kids, that´s why there is lines like MAX and Marvel Knights.
There isn´t none Ghost Rider series now, but there will be sooner or later, and i can positively say that it will be not be put on the MU, but rather MAX or MK.
And as it say in the Marvel site about MK

Marvel Knights books exist within the Marvel Universe, but spotlight its darkest corners and grittiest characters. Over the last five years, Knights has brought the comics world some of the most innovative creators, from Kevin Smith to Brian Bendis. But Knights is not for kiddies -- most Knights titles are meant for readers 15 and up.

BUt, even in the 90´s, Marvel realized that Ghost Rider needed to be diferent, more dark, more serious, less of an hero and more of a demon, that´s why Danny Ketch´s Ghost Rider is totally diferent from Blaze´s one.

[Isildur´s Heir]

Hellboy was PG-13 as well, and there the main character was a demon from Hell and it included nazis partaking in occult rituals and more.
Hellboy and Ghost Rider are very diferent, you only have to read the books to get notion.
Hellboy is about how a demon can live as a human, and, in that issue, del Toro makes a hell of a job...Hellboy is a great movie, one of the best comic book movies.
The relationship of Hellboy and Liz is perfect, and in that department (and others), the movie is very serious.

But, even so, my only beef about the movie is that it could, not should because it is almost perfect, but it could have been a little darker in tone.

[FlameHead]

Does an R rating make something more adult? I think not. In fact, I've seen R rated movies that were quite childish and simply filled with gore. We need not have gore or sex in this movie... which is pretty much the only thing that'll give it an R.

This thread has gone around in circles. The same argument has been said over and over again. Each person caught in their own mindset, refusing to really understand what is being said be the other person. Just because you say something more than once, doesn't make it true.

I've been avoiding this thread as it's a fairly useless argument...but here I am. It's quite entertaining to read all the views on whether it should be PG13 or R. So far, everything that has been said is very true and quite understandable and can be achieved in both R or PG13.

I personally think PG 13 is fine for this movie. It'll be action/adventure/horror at it's best... without all the swearing, gore and sex. Sounds good to me.

[Isildur´s Heir]

You are right FlameHead, we are indeed going around in circles, that´s why i think that this thread is almost dead.

But, like i said in one of my first posts, i don´t mind one bit the PG-13, as long as they take those issues in a very serious and adult way.
If they can acchieve that with PG-13, that´s fine by me.
The only thing is, i don´t believe that Sony will go that way.

[FlameHead]

I'm not sure what you mean by an 'adult way'...

I'm sure the subject matter will not be Spidy-isd in anyway. This movie will not attract the same audience as Shrek or Spider-man does, you can be assure of that. There is no way that they'll target that audience.

Personally, I think they're going to take this as seriously (is that what you mean by adult?) as they did for the LOTR trilogy. We'll see a top notch adventure movie, I'm sure of it.

[Gamma Ray]

I had such high hopes when I saw the motorcycle and then the first poster pic. But then the trailer came out and it was awful! Anyone have the same experience? :down :(

[FlameHead]

Nope. Not me... and it's not the Trailer. It's the Comic Con footage.

[Vartha]

I have no problems with it either. They have alittle under a year to get it right, it's not like they're rushing it Gamma. Have more faith.

[totalpackage59]

No problems here either, I like what I see, can't wait. Roll on 2006

[Uncanny Orb]

What they said.

[Mr Nick]

Don't think of it as a trailer; it was footage quickly (but competently) cobbled together for Comic Con. If memory serves, I don't think MSJ was too thrilled by it either. There's no action, no special effects and no Ghost Rider. No-one can judge the movie by that.:ghost:

[Abe]

I can, but there'd be no point. :)
I will admit that the recent poster of GR on the bike didn't do too much for me, to be quite honest. From everything else I've seen so far though, well, colour me rapt.
To reiterate what someone wrote above also, roll on 2006. :ghost:

[blades_shades]

It's not the trailer it's raw footage before post production or any effects. The breif glimpse of ghost rider was just a cheap insert to give you a feel for the real trailer when it comes out. It'll be replaced.

[InVictus]

You know, two days ago i rewatched DareDevil director's cut to study MSJ style, trying to figure GR in some of the scenes, and i really, really enjoyed it. The fight scene in the pub is probably one of the greatest superhero/vigilante fight scene. Probably the best i saw by now. Devil moves very well in it. Elektra has some problems, but DD rocks.
So even with the lack of recent news my faith in the movie just reached new levels:)

[FlameHead]

Sweet. That's great to hear. I assume it was the Directors Cut that you seen...

Man, I gotta say, I love the support that Ghost Rider is getting. The people who say negative things are few and far between... and that's awesome with me.

[blades_shades]

You know, two days ago i rewatched DareDevil director's cut to study MSJ style, trying to figure GR in some of the scenes, and i really, really enjoyed it. The fight scene in the pub is probably one of the greatest superhero/vigilante fight scene. Probably the best i saw by now. Devil moves very well in it. Elektra has some problems, but DD rocks.
So even with the lack of recent news my faith in the movie just reached new levels:)

Ughhhh I liked the style of the DD film but Affleck was NOT believable as an action star and the fight scenes IMO were awful. Afflecks chubby body in close ups cut to stunt doubles in flickering light and wooden fighting. Just awful. Blade 1 & 2 had some of the best fight scenes I've ever seen on film and it was all Snipes doing the work for the most part. To each his own.

[Weadazoid]

I had such high hopes when I saw the motorcycle and then the first poster pic. But then the trailer came out and it was awful! Anyone have the same experience? :down :(

was it even in the comic con stuff

A bike was in there but it was just a chopper or at least that is what I thought


That thing is going to require some serious CGI to make it look the way I want it too so I refuse to pass judgement until a rel cut is released, not the comic con shots

and just so we are clear

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/7628/ghosty19is.jpg

that is not the hel cycle that is just an ordinary bike

[Gamma Ray]

Of course I'll give it a chance! I hope I love it!

[FlameHead]

I'm sure I'll love it.


and just so we are clear

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/7628/ghosty19is.jpg

that is not the hel cycle that is just an ordinary bike

Right. That's "Grace"...

[Weadazoid]

thats just the thing Flame Head I don't think the comic con shots showed the Hell cycle I thought they just falshed a very early prestage rendering of the flaming scull, unless I missed something it has been a while since I saw the shots, and they were not high quality shots either

[FlameHead]

There was some flashes of the Hellcycle in the footage but that's it.

[citizenpain]

you shouldn't think of it as a trailer because it's NOT a trailer. we've been told on numerous occasions that there is going to be a ton of post-production on this movie and it's going to take a very long time. so until all that is done, lets please reserve our judgement for the official trailer.

[Mauser9910]

You know, two days ago i rewatched DareDevil director's cut to study MSJ style, trying to figure GR in some of the scenes, and i really, really enjoyed it. The fight scene in the pub is probably one of the greatest superhero/vigilante fight scene. Probably the best i saw by now. Devil moves very well in it. Elektra has some problems, but DD rocks.
So even with the lack of recent news my faith in the movie just reached new levels:)

Amen. People bashing the film for scenes like the first Elektra/Matt Murdock fight usually overlook this great action scene !

My only complaints so far would be that some sets just looked like, well, sets and I'm not convinced with the look of Wes Bentley, hopefully we'll see Blackheart like he is in the comics.

[Nivek]

I'm pretty sure that at least 80% of the comic con footage will be the trailer, especially given that the clip on the news shows show the same footage.

[citizenpain]

I'm pretty sure that at least 80% of the comic con footage will be the trailer, especially given that the clip on the news shows show the same footage.

nooooooooo. the comic com footage wasn't finished though... do you even know what post production is? the trailer is going to be completely different from the comic con footage.

[FlameHead]

Well, it probably wont be completly different. It'll just be finished. I'm sure they'll use that as a template for the actual trailer... and I think that's what Nivek mean't.

[Carter]

I think it could go either way.

[Radford]

its looks alright so far.

the true test will be when we see the finished CGI.

[BIGGUN]

I really dug what i saw...only problems i have are Eva Mendez's delivery of her lines and that goth chick.

[BigMac]

First of Eva Medez can deliver what ever she wants.

Second, I agree, the trailer looked great. We know that the CGI is going to change. I don't even take that into consideration. What I liked was the dry humor and western feel that the movie had. This should be a fun 2 hours.

[The Infernal]

I really dug what i saw...only problems i have are Eva Mendez's delivery of her lines and that goth chick.

I have to say that I was worried when I read that she was going to have her as a strong independant woman (nothing wrong with that ladies :o ) and 'not another damsell in distress' and I began to think 'not another tough independant woman'. I mean don't get me wrong strong is good but changing the character for the sake that you don't want to portray someone who is perhaps more vulnerable is getting annoying now.

Sure five years ago I thought it was great that some female characters be update nowadays but it's too much of a fad now to have a strong female lead (and often with a chip on their shoulder because either they broke up in the past and/or she doesn't appreciate his attitude). Surely there is room for just one or two damsells these days that can give a good acting performance?

[FlameHead]

I dont' necessaryily agree with her views on Roxanne anyway... especially when you consider how she turned out to be in the 90's. She was a strong. She didn't whine. She even tried gave up her kids to the Hidden in one series. What a beotch... though I can't remember how that turned out.

I do have to agree that her line delivery wasn't the strongest but I assume they'll fix that in post.

[Jamie Madrox]

I may not like the casting that much, but I'm going to give it a chance anyway. It's Ghost Rider when you get right down to it, so I'm not going to miss it. The poster, the Hellcycle and the unfinished ComicCon footage were impressive, and I don't get excited easily these days. So to me, that says something. :ghost:

[Uncanny Orb]

I hope they keep the cop with the radar gun for the trailer, just stick in a good shot of that grinning skull tearing past. Be sweet.

[FlameHead]

Yeah, that was an awesome end to the trailer and I can't see why they wouldn't keep it.

I'm not sure if it's in the movie though. That could be something they created just to have in the trailer as it does appear that way.

[Gamma Burst]

I guess will be pleasantly surprised with this movie:) Big fan of flamehead here:spidey:

[Jamie Madrox]

I hope they keep the cop with the radar gun for the trailer, just stick in a good shot of that grinning skull tearing past. Be sweet.

I didn't see that part. Dang. Now I wish I can see it now. :ghost:

[Chris Wallace]

Nope. Not me... and it's not the Trailer. It's the Comic Con footage.
I'm with you, although your avatar makes your position more than clear. :ghost:

[FlameHead]

Loves da Ghost Rider, I do.

[skorponok]

Ughhhh I liked the style of the DD film but Affleck was NOT believable as an action star and the fight scenes IMO were awful. Afflecks chubby body in close ups cut to stunt doubles in flickering light and wooden fighting. Just awful.

WE GET IT ;)...how many times must you repeat this????:)

ANNNNNNNNNNYWAY...

I finally checked out the comic-con trailer, and enjoyed it and look forward to the final trailer and final product...

[FlameHead]

You and everyone else. We're all dyin' to see that thing and much of our anxiety comes from the comic-con footage being so good. I personally am a huge fan of what we've already seen.

[TRUE]

Now dont flame me or anything. I was just thinking about this in my head. Ok here was my evaluation i was thinking about

X men 3= Sin city

Superman Returns= Batman Begins

Ghost Rider= Fantastic Four


Now i am not bashing the film or anything cause there is nothing to bash about.

Am i the only one who thinks this why?

[GNR]

F4 was a good movie.Sin City was overrated.

[Mr Nick]

I sure hope not.

There's every reason to believe not since Tim Story was untried in the genre and I don't believe knows much about comics whereas Mark Steven Johnson has Daredevil under his belt (the Director's Cut is excellent) and definitely knows his stuff. Plus, it's Nic Cage in the title role and the supporting cast are very solid. The Hellcycle looks awesome. Sony have a great relationship with Marvel (Sam Raimi and Avi Arad praised them on the Spidey 2 commentary). The tone seems to be suitably spooky and action-y.

Nope, everything's looking very, very positive to me.

:up:

[Kuato]

Sin City was not overrated, it was among the best films of this year.

Fantastic Four was rancid, I don't care how much cash it banked.(In fact other than Catwoman, LXG and Batman and Robin I can't think of worse comic-based movies.)

I agree with Mr. Nick--everything seems pretty damn positve about Ghost Rider at this point. Granted you can't really even begin to make assumptions until closer the the films realease and until official trailers begin showing up. Though I guess if Ghost Rider can do similar B.O compared to Fantastic Four I would be happy....and hopefully that's the last time GR is compared to F4.

[Lord Valumart]

if any comic book movie will fail it'll be X3, even thought i HATE superman and would like it to fail with only 4mill takings it'll never happen, you've got so many things drawing you into this movie, Nic Cage, bikes, comic book adapt., action, CGI(for those freaks who see a movie for it) and many others, plus GR is getting tones of time taken over it, X3 only started to shoot about 3 months ago or something and superman will do well cause more people know of him than GR, which is bad:down

[Hunter Rider]

I think GR will be a lot better than F4 but make less money

[Kuato]

If you think it going to be a lot better why do you think it would make less money?

[Antonello Blueberry]

I think GR will be the Elektra of 2006.

[Hunter Rider]

If you think it going to be a lot better why do you think it would make less money?

because being better and making more money aren't necessarily linked,i think that F4 had an enormous marketing campaign aimed at the teen market and the material was light enough to draw in families,i think the very nature of who GR is will prevent it from making the same kind of money

[Lord Valumart]

I think GR will be the Elektra of 2006.
guys buy the bootleg DVD for the costume :confused:

[Uncanny Orb]

I don't see why everybody thinks Supes will be so great, it's been done already, everybody knows the story, theres been 3 movies and 2 TV shows. I probably won't even see it at the show.

[Kuato]

"I think GR will be the Elektra of 2006."

Highly unlikely. Worst-case scenario is the Constantine of 2006.

[WeaponZ2]

I don't see why everybody thinks Supes will be so great, it's been done already, everybody knows the story, theres been 3 movies and 2 TV shows. I probably won't even see it at the show.

There was 4 movies and I think its a continuation of them, but I don't know.

[batman 833]

Simple i think, or better yet I'am sure that ghost rider will be a thousand times better than F4 was, period.:ghost:

[The Joker™]

I hope Ghost Rider will be good.

Batman Begins raised the bar for Marvel pretty high.

[Chaos Bringer]

Sin City was not overrated, it was among the best films of this year.

shootin tootin' it is ! I cannot believe that someone would think otherwise but hey, why not. I really disliked F4, in no way shape or form was that a 'good' movie.

[theescapeclause]

I think F4 was lame beacuse the comics are lame. Doom is the only cool thing they had. Ghost Rider however, will be awesome. It has way too many cool things going for it. I think I'm most excited about the western vibe. MSJ said he didn't want it to be in New York, so he's going for a Sergio Leone feel for the pic. And if anyone hasn't seen The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly, or Once Upon a Time in the West, you're missin' out.

[Uncle Jesse]

what does this even mean?

[Cosmic]

Now dont flame me or anything. I was just thinking about this in my head. Ok here was my evaluation i was thinking about

X men 3= Sin city

Superman Returns= Batman Begins

Ghost Rider= Fantastic Four


Now i am not bashing the film or anything cause there is nothing to bash about.

Am i the only one who thinks this why?
I think the comparisons are a bit off the mark. X-Men 3 is a major Hollywood project with legions of dedicated fans just drooling in anticipation. I loved Sin City, but it was a much smaller film than X3, with a smaller target audience. It actually performed far better than I ever thought it would. X3 has the fans who were introduced to the characters thru the first film, hordes of comic fans, the huge built-in fanbases of its popular stars, a ton of money for great special effects...the list just goes on and on. It should be huge.

I see Superman Returns as a mammoth-sized blockbuster...just massive. Batman Begins was excellent, but it had so much working against it. People who thought it was going to be anything like Spider-Man or 1989 are crazy. I still think it performed very well in spite of everything, though.

Fantastic Four was pure trash. I wanted to tear my teeth out. It made a lot of money because of great marketing. The kids just ate it up like candy. Ghost Rider has seasoned pros who've made their way thru decades in the 'biz, making great movies. Peter Fonda, Sam Elliot, Nic Cage...I doubt they would settle for anything even remotely close to FF-level bull****. I'm guessing that GR will perform at least as well as Sin City, and will probably even pick up a good chunk of that movie's audience, as well.

[WarBlade]

if any comic book movie will fail it'll be X3
:eek:

Disagree strongly. X-Men 3 will be a finanancial hit at the box office regardless of whether it's any good or not. It will succeed for the same reason that Phantom Menace succeeded: The predecessors drew the crowds. With an established fan base, and one that was left hanging with the Jean cliffhanger, the only way for X-Men 3 to fail would be if some freak disaster killed the all of the actors before the principle photocraphy is complete.


And in response to the thread in general, I find myself surprised by the hate for the Fantastic Four adaptation in this thread. Is this another one of those "only in SHH" things where films are either extreme successes or extreme failures and nobody uses words like "average" or "decent"? I see many films in the course of the year - It's my job - Fantastic Four to me rates as a middle runner: It will never lead the pack and never be a complete loser. It was decent enough for what it was and while everyone is entitled to like or dislike it, F4 certainly wasn't "crap".

[OobeDoobBenubi]

In 2006 theres

Superman Returns / Mission Impossible 3 / Pirates Of The Carribean 2 / X Men 3 & so on Ghost Rider has BIG Competition

[Skullbearer]

Wow. Amazing. So many people have already seen Ghost Rider as to make a valid judgement call to the quality of the film. Again, amazing.

[Lord Valumart]

:eek:

Disagree strongly. X-Men 3 will be a finanancial hit at the box office regardless of whether it's any good or not. It will succeed for the same reason that Phantom Menace succeeded: The predecessors drew the crowds. With an established fan base, and one that was left hanging with the Jean cliffhanger, the only way for X-Men 3 to fail would be if some freak disaster killed the all of the actors before the principle photocraphy is complete.
it just seams to me that with the way things are going it's being rushed, cause GR was finished ages ago and it released AFTER X3, and X3 has barely sarted to shoot, it seams to rushed. i know FF was rushed, but it wasn't realy on the scale of X3.

[Kuato]

"I see Superman Returns as a mammoth-sized blockbuster..."


Maybe it is just me...but I really don't see Mammoth Blockbuster written over Superman. For starters the casting seems to be off. Secondly I think Superman may be "too old fashioned" for many younger folk these days. Personally at this point I would be surprised if Supes takes in more money than Batman Begins did. Not to mention Superman has been done in the four other films and three tv series as was brought up by someone ele.

Though I absolutely admit that I just flat out don't see the appeal of Superman and never have. I have never understood the vast love for Superman, whereas I can see the love for a character like Spider-Man, Batman, Ghost Rider, Hulk, The Punisher et al. I don't like the character of Kent/Superman in general, always thought the origins of Superman, his weakness to Kryptonite, the lame costume were all bland and uninteresting. Not a fan of one of a single one of the Reeve films...so it would seem that Supes just ain't for me.

[Cosmic]

Well, Kuato, no superhero movie has had perfect casting. The vast majority of people going to see these movies have no strong opinions about casting choices, so whatever we might think of who should be playing what parts has little or no bearing on the movies' success or failure.

I think that if you can acknowledge the fact that Superman is vastly popular and widely recognized, as well as being lighter and more kid-friendly than something like Batman Begins, then you can also understand the huge potential that Singer's film has. My prediction is that Superman Returns will succeed in selling itself as a special event, and droves of people who otherwise would not be interested will want to participate.

Most of the people going to see this movie will be seeing Superman on the big screen for the first time. Others will be just as eager to see a new Superman movie as they were to see Batman Begins, even though the timespan between BB and B&R was much shorter than the span between SR and Superman IV, and despite the fact that B&R was hated much more widely and deeply than Superman IV. So, the previous movies and TV series will be far from a hindrance. Rather, people who've seen Superman before, and enjoyed what they saw, will be among the most dedicated audiences, assuming all goes well.

But even more than that, I personally believe there are lots of people who feel just the same way you do about Superman in general, but it won't keep them from going to see this movie when it comes out...

[FlameHead]

Um, I'm not even sure what your asking here. Are you wondering if Ghost Rider will make the money that FF did or be a the quality of film that it was?

Either way, I really liked Fantastic Four. I thought it was a fun movie with some awesome characters. If Ghost Rider comes out that good, awesome. I do expect it to be even better though... but that's because I'm a huge fan of the character and believe the image of Ghost Rider will rule 2006.

[Darth Elektra]

I don't see why everybody thinks Supes will be so great, it's been done already, everybody knows the story, theres been 3 movies and 2 TV shows. I probably won't even see it at the show.

I aggree,Unless superman looks extremly cool,I wont be checking this movie out in the theaters!

[Darth Elektra]

Now dont flame me or anything. I was just thinking about this in my head. Ok here was my evaluation i was thinking about

X men 3= Sin city

Superman Returns= Batman Begins

Ghost Rider= Fantastic Four


Now i am not bashing the film or anything cause there is nothing to bash about.

Am i the only one who thinks this why?

Just in America:
Xmen 3=250-350(it competes with,Da Code,and MI3)
Superman=150-300(Im not sure what it competes with)
Ghost Rider=100-200(cmpetes with POTC2)

[blades_shades]

Ghost Rider is a difficult box office to predict. It's all in the presentation and the ad campaign on this one. If they do a FF type job on the ad campaign it could pull it big numbers for a Grider film. Without seeing it I'd expect a 80 million domestic total. If it's presented in a quality way and the reviews are fun...or if it's a very fun movie it could make over 100. I highly doubt there is a chance of 150 million. That would be crazy. It doesn't have the broad appeal of FF or X-Men so under 100 is the most likely scenerio.

[FlameHead]

I'm not sure you can count on a FF ad campaign because I really don't see Ghost Rider bein' on bags of chips and such. It's quite difficult to predict what exactly they're going to do...

I do have much faith that it'll make over 100 mill though... and beyond. I believe that die hard Marvel fans will fill the seats. Plus, I think they'll get Blade fans because they're similar in tone (and relate to each other much in the comics). Other than that, fans of DD will support MSJ. In addition, it's a summer movie and that's when people check out movies. That alone with bring cash. 100 mill, easy. 150 is not out of the question.

[Kritish]

That Ghostrider is gonna be the next Daredevil or Punisher (04 version) . I just don't see it being the next spider-man in the box office. It will probally only have a cult following.
Frankly, Ghostrider just isn't a recognizable character to most people. If you show a picture of him odds are most people won't know who he is. Unlike say spider-man or batman.
Don't take this as a Ghostrider bash I'm merely saying I'm worried about how it will do box office wise. :ghost:

[Nivek]

If they make it more of a Horror/Revenge flick, it will work. If they try to throw in too much stupid comedy set ups like fighting in a playground or goofy scenery chewing villian who dont do anything, we're in trouble.

[BIGGUN]

Who cares?!
seriously...i am well prepared (and expecting) GR to NOT do well at the box office. ive been a long time fan of the character and it has NEVER gained that much attention from the public or most comic book collectors. i still hear complaints saying he is just a flashy looking character w/ weak stories and he was nothing more than a gimmick character.
critics will more than likely trash the movie and it will probably have a hard time making its money back.
if that happens will this make me enjoy the movie less? course not....i just want a movie that is well done and be true as much as possible to the character/story. if i get that i will be more than happy...and its looking good from what ive seen/heard so far :up:

in the end it boils down to this.... Ghost Rider simply isnt a character for everyone....and many just have to accept this.

[Mr Nick]

No, it ain't gonna do Spidey business! But if it's exciting, engrossing and well-made, there's no reason to think it won't be a hit.

:)

[RedIsNotBlue]

I thought that the Punisher and the Daredevil Directors Cut were great movies so if Ghost Rider ends up like them I will be a happy camper. And Lord Siva you could have said the same thing as Blade. People didn't know **** about the character and it became a franchise.

[Uncanny Orb]

I think it will do just fine providing the marketing is done, I don't think it matters that nobody knows who he is. If they can get enough people to see his image and that Nic Cage is in it people will go.

[NDX]

Even though I can see this movie not doing well in the box office, the appeal of the character alone will draw in fans. Also the time of year will be prime for this film.

Plus what does it matter what the box office does? As long as the film is good (to my standards) I can die happy. Been waiting for a movie since 1992, and been following the progression of this movie since 1999.

[FlameHead]

I don't understand why people are so obsessed about how much money the movie will make. Why can't you just go to the cinema, sit down, eat some popcorn and forget about the box office. If you like it, that's all that matters.

If you really care about the box office, then why don't you do some promoting of the flick yourself. Tell your friends how great the director is and how freakin' cool the character is. Get them excited about it and hopefully they'll check it out. That'll rise the B.O. numbers by some at least.

As for Punisher and DareDevil... I thought they were great movies. Well, DD directors cut anyway. I didn't hate the theatrical, but the DC version was a million times better. Punisher did awesome on DVD and would have done better in theatres if it didn't go up against Kill Bill 2.

Having said that, I still truly believe that the movie will be a sleeper hit and indeed will make it's money back... at the very least. I have faith... and lots of it.

[Nivek]

but to me, the Punisher 04 flick had as many issues as the Dolph flick. The location, the villians, and some other small yet annoying details really took me out of the film. Betweem the Dolph and Hensleigh film, theres a good Punisher flick, and a film of failed cliches and stupid neighbors.

Daredevil? I personally think Affleck didn't really suit the part, the leather costume was a bit unconventional, and Kingpin was miscast. Havn't seen the directors cut, but I thought the film wasn't that bad.

I have a small grain of hope for Ghost Rider. I really want to like it, but I feel let down by many recent Marvel movies, so I cant let myself get hyped for it.

[hellfiremaster]

Well in all honesty I believe it will not do well outside of comic book fans. Spiderman, as much as I dislike the character, is Marvel's cornerstone character. I think Spiderman even if the movie sucked, would have done well because of the mass appeal. The Hulk should have done better, but IMHO it was weak.

I think Daredevil, Elecktra, Blade, GR, great characters, but only to comic book geeks. This is why I chuckle everytime I see.. Deathlok movie in the works, or some other minimal character getting a movie. Hey get ready for Ashlee Simpson as "Jubilee" in her own flick.. yeah.. woohoo..

I think the GR movie would have to be a cut above Spiderman just to break even. Going to be tough... I think each one of us will have to pay to see the movie 250x just to make a dent.. lol

HFM

[Darth Elektra]

I think Daredevil, Elecktra, Blade, GR, great characters, but only to comic book geeks. This is why I chuckle everytime I see.. Deathlok movie in the works, or some other minimal character getting a movie. Hey get ready for Ashlee Simpson as "Jubilee" in her own flick.. yeah.. woohoo..

HFM

I would have to aggree,BUT thats what you(the studio/director) has to get across something that would make other people want to see the movie,but yet stay true to the comics,its hard to do that,and frankly not many have been able to do it.

[Chaos Bringer]

Punisher was the suck. I have never been that let down in a comic adaptation. I couldn't believe how terrible it was. What's worse is that there are people and fans who enjoyed it. What a ghastly concept.
As for DD, Directors cut or not, nothing will save it from Affleck. His suit rocked. Kingpin was wasted, not miscast.
Elektra? Yuk.
Marvel has been graced with Spidey and The X films but little else.
I have some faith in GR only cuz I'd like to think that the Director MSJ has learned from his past Marvel Mistakes. One only hopes. Then again Uwe Boll keeps going and going...I'll see GR, just like I saw DD and Elektra and *shivers* Punisher. I'm hopeful.

[Riding Ghost]

i just want a movie that is well done and be true as much as possible to the character/story.

Thats all I want too.

As far as the popularity issue, one thing is certain, it IS now or never for GR in the public eye. I like to think and I kinda believe that GR is cool enough to bring in a lot of people (which can be both good and bad) and this movie could blow a lot of minds, but if that doesn't happen after the events of next year, then it will never happen and that question(of weither or not GR can ever be "Spiderman-esque" in public stature) can be permanently put to rest.

[FlameHead]

You're right Riding, if the movie doesn't finally bring Ghost Rider into the public eye, nothing ever will... and I'm very positive that this'll finally do it. That image, moving, scaring and beatin' the crap out of baddies will make people fall in love.

Well in all honesty I believe it will not do well outside of comic book fans. Spiderman, as much as I dislike the character, is Marvel's cornerstone character. I think Spiderman even if the movie sucked, would have done well because of the mass appeal. The Hulk should have done better, but IMHO it was weak.

I think Daredevil, Elecktra, Blade, GR, great characters, but only to comic book geeks. This is why I chuckle everytime I see.. Deathlok movie in the works, or some other minimal character getting a movie. Hey get ready for Ashlee Simpson as "Jubilee" in her own flick.. yeah.. woohoo..

I think the GR movie would have to be a cut above Spiderman just to break even. Going to be tough... I think each one of us will have to pay to see the movie 250x just to make a dent.. lol

HFM

Spider-Man would have done well regardless yes... but it would never have grossed the amount that it did if it sucked. Because it was critically acclaimed, many outside the comic lore went to see it... numerous times.

As for GR breakin' even, I have no fear in it doin' so... even before the DVD release.

[hellfiremaster]

Spider-Man would have done well regardless yes... but it would never have grossed the amount that it did if it sucked. Because it was critically acclaimed, many outside the comic lore went to see it... numerous times.

As for GR breakin' even, I have no fear in it doin' so... even before the DVD release.

I am not saying what it, spiderman, did, I am saying if it sucked it would still have done well. I know what it did. For example, Planet of the Apes, sucked and did well. Because it was a known brand.

If GR sucks, it won't do jack. I believe alot of GR's success will hinge on the trailers, previews more than any other Marvel film.

HFM

[xcan28]

ANd no.... I'm not flamming here...

But with the almost ONE YEAR push back, and now the micro "teaser" I feel very worried for the flick.

From what I understand there isn't a set budget..it's kinda floating. But from what I saw in the "trailer" either the studio has to invest HEAVILY or... don't bother releasing it at all.

We know it'll come out somehow, but seriously... don't release it just for the sake of doing it... and I don't think (director guy, forgot his name) can afford another bomb.

[str8raz0r]

Ermmm...DD didn't exactly "bomb." If I'm remembering correctly, it actually made pretty decent money, ESPECIALLY in DVD sales. According to IMDB (I know it's a dubious source, but it can't be THAT far off), it grossed ~103 Million theatrically. Considering the fairly lean 75 million budget, that ain't bad. I have no idea what DVD sales were, but I was working for Best Buy at the time, and they were FLYING off the shelves.

Also, the director's cut, from what I've heard (I've never seen it), shows a much better film than what Fox released theatrically.

Have some faith. Sony just decided to give it a better chance than it may have had in Summer '06. Would you rather it get lost in a deluge of big-name sequels (X3, Superman Returns, Pirates 2, etc.) or put in the underrated Pres. Day weekend, where it can really shine?

Sony's giving MSJ the chance to make a movie by his own terms, it seems. That, coupled with Nic Cage's passion (the man's got a GR tat, for chrissakes!) and a pretty solid cast, means that this more than likely will be at LEAST a sleeper hit.

[xcan28]

I was gonna say critical "bomb" but you are right...all that matters to the studios is the financial return... I'm not critising cause obviously some people bought into the guy and I didn't mind DD...but....

[xxAPCxx]

Yea the theatrical version of DD just cleared $100 million theatrically and it did well on DVD, you guys were right however in the the directors cut was soooooo much better even though i liked the theatrical release as well.

anyway i see ghost rider getting "The Punisher" numbers. Poorly theatrically, good on DVD.

[xcan28]

But the whole "it'll make coin on DVD" will have to be re-evaluated. I hope the public demands quality...I'd rather see no GR movie then one of "others" quality...

[screenamesuck]

The budget for Ghost Rider is $150 million. During this extra year they are working on Ghost Rider along with all other characters special fx's. You haven't seen a real trailer yet, so hold your negative comments back until you see the real thing. I've been a fan of Ghost Rider since I was a little boy so I consider myself to be a real big fan and his look is right on target. I'm not sure what all these other lurkers that have all of a sudden started browsing this board are expecting. I don't think it can look any better and if it does i'll be surprised.

[screenamesuck]

Also did you read why it was pushed back a year??? Did you notice all the other big movies coming out the same time as GR. You have Pirates2 and Superman to name a few. It wouldn't stand much of a chance against those two with the average movie goer's. Sure the true fans will be there. They moved it to the new date because movies have a high rep for making big bucks around that time

[xcan28]

First rule in LIFE....Never fear (Little DD "man without..." reference;).

If you are or have quality...you don't back down. The reason this has been pushed back is due to fear. 150???? Man...if it's half that I'd seriously be suprised.

You don't think they realized what pics were coming out when they made it??? A studio will not invest that amount of money into it and push it back as far as they did unless they know it is uber crap.

Lets just hope they make the wait worth it...or just don't release it at all. But with the dollars tied into it, it's coming for better or worse.

[screenamesuck]

Just go to the thread that talks about it being pushed back and you will read what MSJ had to say about the push back. Now they don't have to rush to meet a deadline. They can take their time and make GR look the way he is suppose to be. And yes it is $150M. I think he has a lot of faith that it will do well since he said he would rather do another GR flick before moving onto another movie.

[craigaat]

Ghost Rider doesn't have the same appeal as Spiderman and X-Men etc. It's mostly only going to appeal to the core fans and will probably have to rely on word of mouth. Just give it a chance, as you can see from the footage the digital effects have to be spot-on for it to work. That'll be why the release date was moved, and who knows? It might be moved again.

[Mr Nick]

Well, all that I've read in the last year on the 'hype has me convinced it'll be good. How it will perform at the box office though, no-one can say.

I'm looking forward to seeing the marketing machine start to roll. Just how are they going to introduce this largely unknown character to the mass audience? And I think only then will we really see just how 'big' the studio perceive this movie to be.

:up: :ghost:

[Kevin Roegele]

It's not just about the film's quality, it's about the film's appeal. Imagine audiences choosing what to see next summer. Ghost Rider would be a long, long way down the list.

In feb, it has the whole playing field to itself. Big fish in small pond.

[Uncanny Orb]

Will this pic make it outta the garbage can??
I think that's a little harsh, Sony is going to be moving several movies I've heard.

[The Man Of 16]

So far he isnt translating to film very nicely. I never read too much ghost rider but the storyline better be immaculate because so far it looks like its gonna take a lot to redeem it already. It better not end up like fantastic 4.

does anyone know what the storyline is? There wasnt one in fantastic 4, there better be one in ghost rider.

[screenamesuck]

What exactly are you complaining about. What do you mean he isnt translating to film very nicely. I think everything is perfect so far, but that coming from someone thats been a fan for about 17 years.

[CConn]

http://img496.imageshack.us/img496/5062/untitled43ws.gif

[The Geek Vault]

*tear* I miss E. Bison. And yes CCon is right.

[HighVoltage]

I need a new post before this thread is closed.:D:p

[zer00]

http://home.tiscalinet.ch/molodezhnaja/brad842.jpgClosed.

[NDX]

Well, this is 37 seconds I'll never get back. Thanks.

[skorponok]

NO ONE is a man at 16...that's all I'm saying...I don't care how much chest hair you have...

[xcan28]

I think that's a little harsh, Sony is going to be moving several movies I've heard.

Yeah...and I really do hate being critical as he really does seem like a pretty cool guy, but...but.. there's now more then a year so I guess my fingers are crossed:)

[xcan28]

qqq

[Aquinnah]

Hey guys, I want to give you the skinny on all this specualtion. I am one of the producers on GR and instead of keeping you guessing, here are the facts.

First off, no floating budget. We are very well funded and Sony has been wonderful supporting this film. Our effects are first class and Sony Imageworks is doing are great job. In fact, Sony has approved more shots to be finished then was originally budgeted. Don't worry about us getting short changed.

As for the release date change, it truly is for the benefit of the movie. The marketplace is changing and we need to make sure that we have a big window to launch the film. Sony is commited to bring this film out in a big way. It will be their first tent pole of 2007. None of us want to wait, but we understand the logic of the move and will support it. Yes, it's a few months more, but I promise it'll be worth the wait.

Thanks for being so supportive of us. We want to make this film rock for you!!!

Happy Holidays!

GSF

[xcan28]

Hey guys, I want to give you the skinny on all this specualtion. I am one of the producers on GR and instead of keeping you guessing, here are the facts.

First off, no floating budget. We are very well funded and Sony has been wonderful supporting this film. Our effects are first class and Sony Imageworks is doing are great job. In fact, Sony has approved more shots to be finished then was originally budgeted. Don't worry about us getting short changed.

As for the release date change, it truly is for the benefit of the movie. The marketplace is changing and we need to make sure that we have a big window to launch the film. Sony is commited to bring this film out in a big way. It will be their first tent pole of 2007. None of us want to wait, but we understand the logic of the move and will support it. Yes, it's a few months more, but I promise it'll be worth the wait.

Thanks for being so supportive of us. We want to make this film rock for you!!!

Happy Holidays!

GSF

Sometimes people just need to feel that their voices are being heard;)

And as such I have removed any tie ins with GR to the film I shall not name ( FOUR characters...with characters underlined:) ).

Just make a Crow ONE darkness meets superhero guy with a flaming skull for a head and the fans will dig...it's just finding a happy medium to get ma and pa mid south to buy in and everyone will be happy!:ghost:

[Mr Nick]

Hey guys, I want to give you the skinny on all this specualtion. I am one of the producers on GR and instead of keeping you guessing, here are the facts.

First off, no floating budget. We are very well funded and Sony has been wonderful supporting this film. Our effects are first class and Sony Imageworks is doing are great job. In fact, Sony has approved more shots to be finished then was originally budgeted. Don't worry about us getting short changed.

As for the release date change, it truly is for the benefit of the movie. The marketplace is changing and we need to make sure that we have a big window to launch the film. Sony is commited to bring this film out in a big way. It will be their first tent pole of 2007. None of us want to wait, but we understand the logic of the move and will support it. Yes, it's a few months more, but I promise it'll be worth the wait.

Thanks for being so supportive of us. We want to make this film rock for you!!!

Happy Holidays!

GSF

Thanks, Aquinnah. It's nice to hear from someone else involved with the movie. For what it's worth, I'm totally stoked about it.

:up:

[Uncanny Orb]

Well, this is 37 seconds I'll never get back. Thanks.
lol

[screenamesuck]

Hey guys, I want to give you the skinny on all this specualtion. I am one of the producers on GR and instead of keeping you guessing, here are the facts.

First off, no floating budget. We are very well funded and Sony has been wonderful supporting this film. Our effects are first class and Sony Imageworks is doing are great job. In fact, Sony has approved more shots to be finished then was originally budgeted. Don't worry about us getting short changed.

As for the release date change, it truly is for the benefit of the movie. The marketplace is changing and we need to make sure that we have a big window to launch the film. Sony is commited to bring this film out in a big way. It will be their first tent pole of 2007. None of us want to wait, but we understand the logic of the move and will support it. Yes, it's a few months more, but I promise it'll be worth the wait.

Thanks for being so supportive of us. We want to make this film rock for you!!!

Happy Holidays!

GSF

Producer?????

I heard from a realiable source that the budget is more than double the $40mil number. Based on what I hear, this is a bigg'en.
MSJ, you are so cool. Sam Elliott? The next thing you know, Peter Fonda will be in the movie.
Wow, MSJ. You are soooo cool. Great info. Ghost Rider will rock!


Doesn't sound like you have anything to do with the movie to me, but if you do, good for you

[Uncanny Orb]

I'm thinking not.

[Advanced Dark]

There's a whiner or worry wart in every forum.

[Uncanny Orb]

I mean Aquinnah is not a producer. http://www.comicmonsters.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_mad.gif

[FlameHead]

I was thinking about that too but, I don't really doubt that it is. If so, wonder which producer.

Perhaps it's a question we should ask to MSJ in the part IV...

[Uncanny Orb]

Well those are the only posts he's made here (in screenamesuck's post) they don't sound like someone who would have to have contact with MSJ.

[Advanced Dark]

GSF? Producer? Must be Gary Foster if it's real.

Avi Arad .... producer
Michael De Luca .... producer
Kevin Feige .... executive producer
Gary Foster .... producer Norman Golightly .... executive producer
David S. Goyer .... executive producer
Stan Lee .... executive producer
Steven Paul .... producer
E. Bennett Walsh .... executive producer

[imagine12]

Ya, i'm thinking he is a producer. If he's only posted a few times, that probably means he is very selective about his posts and usually only to answer fans worries. Some of you guys just get off on being skeptical, just chill out, you know producers do read these things quite a bit. However, From what i've seen, GR is going to suck. Mark Steven Johnson is a BAD director. He polishes his shots to such a plasticky cheesiness, that he loses any kind of realism or ground to base his story. Daredevil was bad, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a REALLY big fanboy. Johnson got hired because they made JUST enough money from DD to keep the execs interested. Just like Tomb Raider 2. Nobody wanted it, but the dollars said sequel. Oh, well.

[screenamesuck]

Well all I have to go by is his previous posts. No of them sound like he has anything to do with the movie, talking about great info, like it's the first time he has heard it. If he is a producer he would already know that info.

From what i've seen, GR is going to suck.

So what have you seen, because it most not have been the same thing we all saw. Better yet, tell me what it is you wanted to see to make you think this movie will be awesome. I'm curious to know what all these negative people "want" to see to make it a good movie.

he loses any kind of realism

That just sounds funny to me. Lets try to make a movie based on a comic book realistic

[Aquinnah]

I must admit, my first posts were silly. I was just making MSJ laugh.

Gary Foster is who I am. You can trust the info.

Merry Christmas!

GSF

[mongoro]

if ya are the real deal Gary merry Christmas I kinda feel you are that aside a direct question to you,Does Sony know for a fact since they are vets when it comes to know how much a movie will make$ at the box office do they feel they have areal big winner with ghost Rider?

[Advanced Dark]

I must admit, my first posts were silly. I was just making MSJ laugh.

Gary Foster is who I am. You can trust the info.

Merry Christmas!

GSF

It wasn't too hard to figure out condidering you're the only producer with the GF initials. LOL What's the "S" stand for. I believe it's you because there are no websites that show your middle initial as being "S" anywhere or at least it's hard to find. But if found it here: http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/artists/f/Gary-Foster/index-319789.html

Also I see you're no stranger to the net and answering questions.
http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/370/370456p1.html

What other films are you producing for Marvel? You involved in Luke Cage? Deathlok? Namor? Any other Marvel films that you can give us even a snipet of an update on.

[FlameHead]

I must admit, my first posts were silly. I was just making MSJ laugh.

Gary Foster is who I am. You can trust the info.

Merry Christmas!

GSF

Merry Christmas Gary, if we can call you that. hehe. I didn't want to doubt that you were a producer but, ya never know on this internet thingie.

Welcome aboard. We really appreciate the time but I have to warn you, now that you're here, you're gonna get questions. In fact, I started your very own thread. Mwa ha ha ha. (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213054)

It's unbelievable that you guys chat here. Who would have thought that we measly (yet huge) Ghost Rider fans would get the opportunity to chat with thsoe who are bringing us the live action version. What a Christmas!

Talk soon, take care and be sure to take a break from Ghost Rider to enjoy the holiday season... but, then get back to work!

[DarkMurdock]

Well well well.......if it ain't Gary Foster, the producer that ruined Daredevil with his crappy "fastpaced" cut. Excellent job Mr. Foster, but you do know that had you released the directors cut in theatres a Daredevil 2 would have already been released by now.

[Uncanny Orb]

Oh, burn.

[FlameHead]

No need to be rude DarkMurdock. The inevitable outcome of DareDevil was not all on Gary's shoulders. A team goes into producing a movie, not just one man.

[Syncos]

Touchy subject Gvcool. I've trolled around these boards for awhile, and If i've learned anything, it's that these guys are quite protective of their rider. Heh.

For the record. I think the movie's going to rock, hard.
At worst case scenario, I can see it being like punnisher. Not a (fantastic) theatre income, but end up with massive dvd sales.

Then again, marvel's learned their lesson. The movie wont be R, and it'll likely not be against a Kill Bill 2 sized movie. My estimates are that it'll rock the box office.

- Syn

[BIGGUN]

in all honesty even before MSJ came on board ive always felt GR would not make it at the box office or even well reviewed. this is coming from a die hard fan from the 70s!
people that ive come across over the years just couldnt accept a flaming skeleton riding a motorcycle. the idea was "too out there" for them...even though they loved the idea that a man dressed like a bat/spider/blue and red long johns would go out and fight crime. ive just accepted it and been able to enjoy talking to the other fans that ive managed to come across...
i feel we are EXTREMELY lucky to have a movie at all! and w/ a 120 mil budget?! holy s$%^! that blew me away...even w/ a huge merchandising line up for support. never thought it would happen but here it is.
so what if the public or critics hates it? even if there are no sequals we got what we wanted. ill still be content and will enjoy the hell out of watching the movie and collecting all of the cool stuff that will be coming our way w/in the year. Enjoy it while it lasts folks....

[3 Dev Adam]

Man, the TEASER is geeking out a lot of my friends, including the ones who never gave a rat´s ass about GR. I don´t think it will be a blockbuster, but I´m pretty sure it will "be successful enough to warrant a sequel".