Venom has to be in Spiderman3

[Jerry Jin]

Ok...I know I'm just another person with Venom thread.....but look...

Spiderman's three toughest villains of all times are
1.Green Goblin
2.Doctor Octopus
3.Venom

Since they already used Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus,they should use Venom since it might be the last saga of Peter Parker..(But I bet they will make more spidey movies though...)
:venom:

[KCJ506]

As much I would like to see Venom in a Spider-man movie, there is no way he can be in SM3.

[Jerry Jin]

And why's that?

[Jspider13]

Venom is not the 3rd toughest villain of all time.

[KCJ506]

1. The symbiote suit hasn't been introduced.

2. Peter has to bond with suit first and discover that's it's alive and evil.

3. Eddie Brock has been mentioned but hasn't appear on-screen.

4. Eddie has to develop his hatred for Spider-man before he can become Venom because his and the suit's hatred for Spider-man cause them to bond.

5. Because Peter had the suit before Brock also gets all the powers of Spider-man and also learns his secret idenity.

[Jerry Jin]

Then who is the third toughest villain?

[Dr. Bromwell]

1. The symbiote suit hasn't been introduced.

2. Peter has to bond with suit first and discover that's it's alive and evil.

3. Eddie Brock has been mentioned but hasn't appear on-screen.

4. Eddie has to develop his hatred for Spider-man before he can become Venom because his and the suit's hatred for Spider-man cause them to bond.

5. Because Peter had the suit before Brock also gets all the powers of Spider-man and also learns his secret idenity.

Don't see why that couldn't be covered in the first 90 minutes while at the same time Harry's hatred is resolved/manifested or whatever. That still leaves the last 45 minutes for Venom/Spidey action. Remember, MJ and Peter are together...they beat that horse in the SM2. There is plenty of time to cover the Venom story. I'm not pulling for Venom, but I have a hard time believing he won't be in SM3 because "they haven't introduced the suit." :rolleyes:

[Jerry Jin]

I totally agree with Dr. Bromwell....
I don't get why everyone says Venom won't be in SM3 because "they haven't introduced the suit."

If they try to use Venom,they can both introduce him and make him fight Spiderman.

[WolvWeapX]

I second that, Yes Amy Pascal has made it clear that she wants all loose ends tied up, but Sam as also said that even Harry may forgive peter for being spider-man. Raimi said that he has to " keep true to the intelligence of the character" as well as keeping true to the comics. So if Goblin 2 doesn't happen in the third, who's left? Sandman? Rhino? SHocker? their all minor villians. You need a villian that everyone wants to see: Venom. Now I'm not sayin that Venom needs to be in the third film, I'm just sayin it's possible.:venom:

[ViscaBarcaInter]

Don't see why that couldn't be covered in the first 90 minutes while at the same time Harry's hatred is resolved/manifested or whatever. That still leaves the last 45 minutes for Venom/Spidey action. Remember, MJ and Peter are together...they beat that horse in the SM2. There is plenty of time to cover the Venom story. I'm not pulling for Venom, but I have a hard time believing he won't be in SM3 because "they haven't introduced the suit." :rolleyes:

How long a film do you want, exactly? That would be a HELLUVA lot of stuff to jam into one film. Frankly, you couldn't do Venom justice with 20 minutes of back story, or some crap like that. For the entire idea of Venom to work, you have to have Peter wearing the symbiote for a while and eventually going through the events that make him remove it. Plus, you'd need to explain where it is and where it came from, AND there's the blatantly obvious fact that the films are building towards a pay off in the Harry Osborn story.

I have a hard time imagining Venom in SM3 just because people say "they can just throw him in there".

No, they can't. If he's going to be worthwhile, he deserves at least a whole film devoted to him as the sole villain. Not as some action backup to the main story.

[DACrowe]

Look SAM RAIMI LIKES MAKING GOOD MOVIES. TRYING TO CRAM IN THE VENOM STORY WITH THE PETER AND MJ STORY (WITH A POSSIBLE WEDDING AT THE END) PLUS THE HARRY STORY UNRESOLVED AND ALL CRAMMED INTO 120 MINUTES THIS WOULD BE VAN HELSING 2 AND NOT SPIDER-MAN 3 AND LOOK BACK TO WHEN I SAID SAM RAIMI LIKES TO MAKE GOOD MOVIES.

My prediction, GG2 is the villain (Harry) but there is a rumor (from Sam Raimi himself no less) about it being someone else.

I HAVE TWO THEROIES ON HOW THE SERIES WILL GO AND POSSIBLY END.

1. GG2 is the villain SM3 and it is Harry VS Peter to the death. Pete and MJ have relationship problems (hinted to at the end of SM2) which nearly destroys them but they stay strong and Harry dies saving both of the them and they get married on a hill. 3 years later we see SM4. This time MJ will be a piece of ass and sevrely hurt the series this way but fans want this and so does stupid teenage boys but the quality will go down here. It will focus more on the villains and be edgier. I predict Lizard to be the SM4 villain of course. With a set up for Venom in SM5. SM5 will be by the numbers and have Venom and while a success it will not be able to do enough to ensure SM6 though I'm sure it will have a cliffhanger to Venom in Carnage in SM5.

2. Sam does Lizard in SM3 and relationshp problems. Instead of saving the city or girl Peter must save Lizard from himself (who will kill himself looking for a cure) and could have Pete battle himself and save himself with problems with MJ and his inability to commit as he saves Conners from himself and could have the classic sccene of ASM #33 in it sorely missing in SM2. This would leave a set-up of Harry toying with the idea all film but finding out MJ knows and feeling betrayed sends him overthe edge for SM4. SM4 would be Sam and co.'s last film having Peter and MJ test their love and her accepting his responsibility and he accepting his to her's. Harry fights Pete to the death after mind games or so he thinks. He ends up saving them and they get married at the end as Harry takes a dirt nap. Now there are two possilbe roads from this road to take.
a) Well they take Amy Pascal up on her offer considering 4 successful films from one cast and crew is enough and to change the boat up this late may be dangerous and end it here. the first superhero series and films to all be good and a success.
or
b) They wait 3 years and have a filler villain for SM5 but the black costume will get people to come back and the offer of Venom will make it a success. SM6 will be a run of the mill film with Venom and an offer for Carange and VEnom in SM7 but that will not be realized as said before in path 1.

Long? Yes. But either way Venom will not appear until SM5 or SM6 if at all.

[Nero_Ordin]

i'm tired of seeing spidey fighting father figures so venom fits as a rival to peter.

[DACrowe]

Harry ain't a father figure and Lizard could help create a good character arc for Peter as an opposite.

Raimi would want either while Venom doesn't offer either. Besides VENOM NEEDS A SET-UP duh!

sorry.

[Jerry Jin]

They should fire Amy Pascal

[TheSaintofKillers]

What I don't understand, is that a lot of the same people who says that putting Venom in the third movie would "cram it" way to much, wants BOTH the goblin and Lizard in the same movie. Hah!

Oh, and no matter how you people put it, Venom could be done in the third movie (and well) if Raimi wish it. All it would need is imagination, and most of you seems to lack it.

Then again, going by your logic, NO MATTER WHAT, it would be impossible to put Venom in the third movie, and make a great movie.

Imagination is the key people, just open your eyes to the other side sometimes. ;)

[Jerry Jin]

Why do you say it's impossible to make a good movie when using Venom?

[OtepApe]

I can't believe another one of these threads has turned up. How many is this now???

[shinlyle]

I can't believe another one of these threads has turned up. How many is this now???

At least 20. I blame society.

[Jerry Jin]

The reason why there are so many Venom thread is that obviously people who don't read comics just think Venom is coolest and think he should be on the mvoei....(which I hope it's not me...-_-;;;)

[Joker]

The reason why there are so many Venom thread is that obviously people who don't read comics just think Venom is coolest and think he should be on the mvoei....(which I hope it's not me...-_-;;;)

Or maybe because in less than 12 hours you have created 2 needless Venom threads.

[OtepApe]

Or maybe because in less than 12 hours you have created 2 needless Venom threads.


That seems to be the one to me.

The reason why there are so many Venom thread is that obviously people who don't read comics just think Venom is coolest and think he should be on the mvoei....(which I hope it's not me...-_-;;

Venom may be the coolest or whatever but that doesn't mean we need all these Venom for Spider-man 3 threads. it could be all said in one thread.

[DACrowe]

Yes you can put Venom in SM3. But a black suit movie pre-dating the Venom movie would be good and would allow depth.

I personally want Lizard in SM3 Raimi's last being SM4 with GG2 and a filler and black suit with new cast and director in SM5 and Venom in SM6 with the option of Venom and Carnage for SM7 to finish it.

But I think it WILL go GG2 in SM3 and black suit with Lizard and new cast and director for SM4 with Venom in SM6 and a conclusion with Venom and Carnage in SM6 with MJ being nothing more than a piece of ass after Raimi leaves ruining the credibility of these films.

But to cram the black suit an extra set-up villain Eddie's story Venom and if SM3 Harry's story (which Lizard offers a logical lead on until SM4 route while Venom does not) and MJ's story (relationship problems and marriage still has to be tackled) in SM3 is overstuffing one movie. Sure use imagination and I'm sure that is exactly what Stephen Sommers said when proposing the idea to Van Helsing "A 19th Century vampire/monster hunter who fights Jekyll/Hyde, Dracula, Frankenstein, The Wolf Man, Midgets from Hell, Vampire Babies, Vampire Hotties Babes, a love interest, the main character becomes a Wolf Man, Igor, a Q-rip-off who swears and has sex as a friar with modern weapons, and a cross between Indiana Jones and James Bond for the hunter" and when the studio execs look at him like "How?" I'm sure he said "C'mon use your imagination."

Just because you CAN do it DOESN'T mean you SHOULD do it. Get my drift?

[Morg]

The reason why there are so many Venom thread is that obviously people who don't read comics just think Venom is coolest and think he should be on the mvoei....(which I hope it's not me...-_-;;;)


I read the comics but unlike you I don't want Venom in it yet.

[WolvWeapX]

Ok here's what I can see happening:
They can have a minor villian in the beginning of third film, then have either Lizard or possibly GG2 as the main villian, I would most definately like to see maybe Harry hire the hobgoblin to take out spider-man, fail to do so, and harry steps in and goes after both of em, and the only way that SM can stop the two of em, is because he has the Black costume... maybe lizard helping him? who knows, While this is all going on, Peter notices that the black suit is alive. SM finds a random thug beating on someone in an alley way and suddenly imagines Uncle Ben getting shot and just starts going bezerk on the thug, as he gets more angry, the suit feeds off of it, and he quickly turns into Venom for a second, Then he snaps out of it realizing what the suit is doing to him,(Just like in the Ultimate Spider-man/ Venom story arc) I think that would be a nice back story for the third film, then that would open SP4 for Venom. I posted something like that awhile ago in another thread, figured I'd share it since everyone is discussing Venom. The only problem with that is Amy Pascal doesn't want any loose ends.Lemme know what you think:venom:

[LarryLegend]

You know its hard to read stuff written by people who have no concept of
a) the comics
2) proper storytelling

[superhuman]

Venom Has To Be In Spider-man 18 !!! Oh Please!!!!

[Spider-Fan]

That sounds about right

[Spidergurl4302]

Venom cant and shouldnt be in spider-man 3 for 3 reasons:

1. his story would be too long to fit in one movie
2. its really too early for Venom, theres still other villians that can be introduced....
3. the third movies not even set up for him; Eddie hasnt be introduced, the symbiote, peter doesnt even have the black suit yet, etc.

it would be awesome to see venom....just not in spider-man 3.....

[WolvWeapX]

You know its hard to read stuff written by people who have no concept of
a) the comics
2) proper storytelling
Well let's hear your story if that's not proper........

[Dr. Bromwell]

I personally want Lizard in SM3 Raimi's last being SM4 with GG2 and a filler and black suit with new cast and director in SM5 and Venom in SM6 with the option of Venom and Carnage for SM7 to finish it.



You're saying there should be three more Spider-Man movies before we see Venom? :rolleyes:

I know we all have our opinions here but c'mon....the whole reason we see so many Venom threads/posts is because of the popularity of the character. They're not going to bench Venom until 2020 because of some ridiculous fear that they'll "rush the story."

Did you think GG's character was rushed? Afterall, it was bunched in with Spidey's origin. Wow. How the hell did they get all that in one movie? You probably thought GG and the Enforcers should have teamed up....while Goblin started with a broomstick and then switched to a glider. Holy *****, that's three movies right there.

[Spidergurl4302]

You're saying there should be three more Spider-Man movies before we see Venom? :rolleyes:

I know we all have our opinions here but c'mon....the whole reason we see so many Venom threads/posts is because of the popularity of the character. They're not going to bench Venom until 2020 because of some ridiculous fear that they'll "rush the story."

Did you think GG's character was rushed? Afterall, it was bunched in with Spidey's origin. Wow. How the hell did they get all that in one movie? You probably thought GG and the Enforcers should have teamed up....while Goblin started with a broomstick and then switched to a glider. Holy *****, that's three movies right there.i dont think venom should be in spider-man 3 though....they should start another trilogy with Venom because first peters got to get the symbiote and Eddie has to be introduced not saying it should take 3 movies but maybe he could get the symbiote in one movie (while fighting another villian and Eddie is introduced in this movie) then in the next movie fight Venom.....

[Dr. Bromwell]

That would be cool. I actually hope it happens that way. I just disagree with these posts saying it's impossible to cover it one film. SM2 was 60% Peter/MJ with the rest being OCK/Harry. Well, the best part of the Peter/MJ story is behind us now...that 60% can cover a lot of other ground in SM3.

[idoit40fans]

The story doesn't have to involve how spider man got the symbiote. The story could start with something simple like stopping a bank robbery quickly in the symbiote costume. Then a ten to twenty minute flashback to how he got his costume. This flashback would involve getting the suit, then learning that it is trying to bond with him, and then, after attempting to get rid of it, waking up with it back on his body.

After the flashback, a few scenes involving parker's personal life and two scenes explaining Brock getting his story in the paper then Brock getting fired. By the 45 minute mark, the bell tower occurs. Put maybe 15 minutes into the Brock and the symbiote getting together.

They could also put the Brock getting his story in the paper in one of the first two scenes, then cut to the flashback, then afterwards show how he gets fired. Anyway, thats one hour so far, leaving at least another hour for the rest of the plot to develop and to set up the final battle.

What I would be interested in seeing is how they will handle the symbiote when it is not on someone. Also, I doubt that Venom will be in SM3, and I am almost sure that there will be no SM4. Hopefully Green Goblin 2 wont be in this next movie, but it looks like there is a good chance that he will be.

[S_H_F_4839]

I am as big a venom fan as anyone, so much so that I wrote my first fan fic with him as the villain, but I didnt like his origin, so I tried to come up with a new one, and it worked somewhat, but I just have to say its difficult to come up with a completely original take on a character that works. I dont think his origin would work in a movie thats why I said everything else up to this point.

[dos_acoustic]

I would much rather see some classic villains like Electro, Mysterio, Sandman, Scorpion..etc...dont get me wrong i like venom but the only way i want to see venom in a movie is if they use the original venom..the McFarlane Venom...not this horrible excuse for a Villain/Hero that they use now with huge teeth, Green Spit, and a huge tongue thats not venom thats stupid…now the mcfarlane venom just had a creepy grin with normal sized teeth that made him look evil….much better that an out of control tongue with spit flying every were

[3dman27]

[color=black]I would much rather see some classic villains like Electro, Mysterio, Sandman, Scorpion..etc...
this is how the movies should go not with a symbiotethat acts and talks like an escapee from A MENTAL HOSPITAL

[dos_acoustic]

Yeah i dont think Venom is going to be in a movie...ever
if they do go with venom though they will go with the terrible one...that spouts stupidity and green spit
I am glad someone agrees thanks 3D!

[jswalker]

i dont think venom should be in spider-man 3 though....they should start another trilogy with Venom because first peters got to get the symbiote and Eddie has to be introduced not saying it should take 3 movies but maybe he could get the symbiote in one movie (while fighting another villian and Eddie is introduced in this movie) then in the next movie fight Venom.....

I totally agree. I think you won't see Venom or the symbiote in the third movie. I think that Raimi wouldn't want to hand cuff the next director with an obvious script. But I do think that the people at sony will want venom in the next trilogy. Enough fans are screaming for it, and I am sure it will happen. What I would like to see is Scorpion in the fourth, with John Jameson coming back from space with the symbiote. Somehow the shuttle loses control, Spidey saves Jameson, but Jameson goes into a coma, JJJ blames Spidey. JJJ creates Scorpion to battle Spidey, Spidey gets the symbiote, almost kills Scorpion before realizing that the symbiote is taking over. He gets rid of it, Brock gets it, and we are set up for Venom in 5. Possibly a Venom/Carnage duo in 6.

[kalel]

venom won't be in spidey 3 but i say eddie brock will be

[Zen]

Well whos to say raimi doesnt drop brock...

hes already got a pissed off son of jameson who could go get the suit and venom up and its still all about peter and MJ's love story... just with a mutant astronaut who must have the "i will eat your brains!" line somewhere...

;)

[DACrowe]

Look I know Spider-Man and I know good writing and the idea of Venom in any film earlier than SM5 is not good writing or is not faithful to the comics. I'm sorry the reason Venom is so popular is because most non-fans think he is the coolest because he is "evil Spider-Man" and I'm not saying all (afterall fans like him too) but that is the reason for his popularity so much.

And your logic is flawed because every non-fan I know (besides one who thinks Venom looks disgusting) thinks "Well Venom should be in the next one because he is Spider-Man's coolest and toughest foe" then came GG they *****ed and saw it and then came Doc Ock they *****ed and saw it. They liked both films. Hold Venom off because after him I think a lot of interest will be lost.

You want to know my Spider-Man 3?

It is 3 months after the events of SM2. Harry finally talks to Peter and reveals that he forgives him because he knows the truth about his father. But Harry hasn't talked to him for 3 months because he needs to get his head straight and he still needs time alone and their friendship may be over. Peter leaves hurt and we find out Harry has been haunted by his father's "ghost" in mirrors this whole time who keeps calling him weak but Harry gets drunk and tries to ignore it. Meanwhile Pete and MJ have moved in together and are engaged. They tell everyone including an extatic Aunt May. Peter is doing well at the Bugle and MJ just got a part on a local soap opera and is becoming popular and Pete is happy for her, but misses her first taping but she gets over it because he is Spider-Man. Still there is something there. Everytime he goes out she has a longing look.

Peter is working for Dr. Conners and is enjoying the good life of science except for the afternoon when he showed up when he wasn't suppose to and got barked at by Conners to leave. Peter did (having the spider sense go off) and when he left Conners showed his missing arm was there but green and he injects something into it. One day was humdrum as well until one day Conners doesn't show up to class and has a tutor. He goes by the Conners residence where Pete and MJ had gone (but Pete left early to "do some work") for dinner. He knows they are home but no one answers.

Pete moves on with his life but a Lizard creature starts showing up and has attacked and put a subway worker in the hospital or a sewer worker rather. JJJ wants Lizard now not the wall-crawler. Peter promises to get a picture of this "psycho" and go to MJ's photosession at the local mall for her soap. But when Peter as Spidey sneaks into the crime scene he finds the tracks are of a real giant Lizard. Spidey goes to ESU and investigates to find out that they are in fact the Lizard's tracks a man-Lizard if you will. He hears screaming from Conners office and smashing. He sees a Lizard thing in there stealing chemicals and machine parts. They fight.

Meanwhile MJ is alone at the session and angry when an obsessed soap fan tries to kill her because she hates her character for sleeping with Chips O'Neal or whatever the name is. A security guard saves her, but MJ is really freaked out. At the same time Peter as Spidey realizes this Lizard creature is wearing Dr. Conners' coat. They fight on the top of the college campuses and the Lizard breaks Spidey's arm and gets away into a sewer. A doctor comes up and bandages the arm (showing the city loving him somewhat) but then come the cops who shoot at him as he escapes. Showing the irony there.

When he gets home MJ wants to talk to him and cry on his shoulder but is in shock and fear to see him come home so broken up. After helping him relax she tries to cry on his shoulder but he is too self-absorbed and they get into a fight. Peter not knowing what her problem is yells at her and says "This thing can't work out. Spider-Man can't be married I guess." She then storms out. Peter turns on the TV and sees that she was shot at this night and is very upset about it.

MJ needs a shoulder to cry on and calls a wasted and self-destructive Harry who immeadietly wants to see her. At the same time Peter rests all day and is about to go out when pictures from an Eddie Brock hit the news of Spidey causing the fire in the science lab (no Lizard pictures are on because this is from a distance and Lizard would be too dark looking and too fast and crawly to catch a picture of) and a picture of Spidey with a broken arm. Peter is now imprisoned by his own alterego. No one can see Peter Parker with the same arm borken he knows.

That night Peter as Spidey (with a cast) goes in the rain to the Conners residence and finds out that from a reluctant Martha a horrible flashback. We see things from Curt's point of view. We see him changing slowly and hiding it from his family and then showing his arm growing to his family and they are happy. Then one night he goes into the mirror and bathroom to wash his face and it is green. He begisn turning and in fear Martha grabs Billy and runs out of the house. She regrets leaving him now. He then dressed himself up in his jeans and black shirt as a Lizard monster (remember he got the coat at the lab later) and ran out into the night as he was changing. A gang attacked him (led by Mr. Campbell as a snotty gang member) and as they jump him when he throws one through a lampost a tail grows and knocks a few into a wall and he grows fangs and bites one and this is horror plain and simple and Raimi would love this. He then crawled away int othe sewer.

Peter promsies (or Spider-Man rather) not to tell anyone and will help cure. As he swings off he is talking to himself about poor Curt when he sees an uncovered manhole he swings back to the house and his spider sense goes off. He peers through the window and sees the Lizard on his knees in front of his crying family saying he is so sorry. Billy breaks from his mother's arms and hugs the Lizard. Martha then follows and Lizard starts hissing something Spider-Man can't hear. Spidey then sees the Lizard cut Billy's face and take a drop of blood. Spidey overreacts and jumps through the window only to have his ass handed to him again by the Lizard. It goes out into the rain and as Spidey is on the ground Lizard comes in for the kill. Then in the doorway a ligth shines through with a little boy creating a sshadow. We hear the words "Daddy don't." Lizard looks at his son and a tear runs down his face (the Lizard's face) and he then escapes back into the sewer. Spidey has to figure this thing out.

Meanwhile MJ has dinner with Harry. Harry tries to comfort her when she reveals she knows he is Spider-Man too. She is very upset and doesn't know what to do. Harry tries to comfort her and starts talking about how Peter has let them all down and betrayed them each in his own way. They need to rely on each other and he wants to have dinner with her again tomorrow night. He offers her to stay with him but she declines that far and will find somewhere else to stay.

MJ takes a taxi home to Queens and is about to go to her house but something makes her knock on Aunt May's instead. She reveals how upset she is. Aunt May has had several scenes with Parker and MJ in a sort of montage of "we're engaged" scenes and is very ahppy. But Aunt May gives MJ a speech and lecture about love and how one should take it with good and bad and you should try. You know typical "make love works" jargin. But for this it works and MJ knows what she has to do.

Meanwhile Spider-Man follows the Lizard into the sewer. Martha and Billy ran after both but lost them in the darkness (or did they?). He discovers a giant under ground lab. The Lizard is still partly controlled by Conners and wants to cure himself. Peter realizes that the blood to turn Curt back to human is not irradiated but rather normal blood. HIs son's blood. Peter as Spidey tries to explain that the Lizard needs a gentically altered sort of lightnean rod and Lizard doesn't like it. He says I don't need you and begins immeadietly Spidey says "I won't let you do it Curt" and they fight. It ends with Spidey buried under subway and sewer rubble. Think ASM #33.

Spidey seems dead and Lizard says "I'm sorry Spider-Man but maybe it is for the best." But Spidey is unconscience and he is in the car again talking to Uncle Ben and how life is so hard and how he just wants to join Uncle Ben. Uncle Ben explains to Pete that life is hard and a responsibility and he needs to be ready to use life as he always have. Pete needs to get control of himself. Peter starts saying though maybe he should let Curt die and kill himself, maybe it is for the best. Uncle Ben cuts him off saying "Do it for Billy you know what it is like to lose a father do it for him and for Curt and for yourself After all with great power comes great responsibility."

Peter wakes up as Spider-Man in a tron costume with an elyelid (of the suit) crushed open. His mouth is apparent and his teeth are gushing blood. With a bad arm he lifts the rubble saying "For Billy...Curt...AND ME!" He lifts it about 4 feet high and squeezes out from under it and dislocates his arm in the process (the broken one already). He pops it back into place and sees the area lighting up like a Christmas tree and Curt must be at work. Spidey swings up and sees Curt shocking himself and trying to cure himself but it is about to kill him. Spidey tries unsuccesffully to turn it off. His last words are "Son of a bit--" as he throws himself in as the catalyst for the experiment. When it ends with a bang Curt Conners (one-armed again) falls to the ground as does Spidey. Spidey crawls over to Curt and feels a pulse. He lives and everything slowly goes black for as Spidey goes unconscience listening to the pulse.

Spidey wakes up in the Conners household. He is being watched over by Martha and Billy and Curt. They comfort him and Curt gives a speech about how thankful he is and how Spidey showed him what is really important as he holds Martha and Billy in his one arm. They didn't unmask him (Spider-Man) when treating him out of respect. Spidey gets up and says he has to leave now though for he has to go for what is most important for him.

As he swings away and gets home (or if you want Stan Lee camp from ASM #44 how about a taxi drive Spider-Man to a certain point because he is so exhausted). Harry presses a button on his answer maching and finds out that MJ will not be seeing him for dinner and that she will try and make things work with Peter. Harry runs back to the mirror he covered up in anger (after throwing some things down feeling betrayed by her too) he sees NOrman's ghost telling him he is ready. Harry goes back there and finds the serum and opens it this time.

Peter gets home and finds MJ dressed warmly saying "Let me feel what it is like to be you." So a strong and apologetic Spidey swings her to the top of the Empire State Building. There they talk with his mask off and apologize both and both are ready to take full responsibilities and MJ exclaims "If anyone will be Spider-Man's wife it is Mary Jane Watson." He then swings her back home (for the final swinging scene in tradition and besides we would not see him swing her up there) and they land at his apartment and fall on the bed and as they embrace a shadow of a goblin on a glider watches them from the window.

The End.

That is my Spider-Man 3.

[3dman27]

Yeah i dont think Venom is going to be in a movie...ever
if they do go with venom though they will go with the terrible one...that spouts stupidity and green spit
I am glad someone agrees thanks 3D!
my pleasure :spidey: :spidey:

[Dr. Bromwell]

Hold Venom off because after him I think a lot of interest will be lost.



That might be the best point that's been made on why Venom would NOT be in SM3. This movie already has a perfect lead-in, so why drop in a character that's a sure hit? If Sony is thinking $$$ they would be wise to bench Venom until part 4. The question is, can Hollywood be patient enough....history says no.

[DACrowe]

Ahem

I think my story is enough to keep people happy until SM6 (where I'd have Venom) or as I bet it will be SM5 and that is it.

If you honestly think SM3 or SM4 will have Venom you are dreaming.

But hey mine (SM3) will most likely not happen.

Oh and what did you think of my story?

PS. BTW I think Hollywood can be patient enough to hold Venom off until SM5 (it does mean more money) the question is can Venom fans be patient enough to wait until 2012-2015. ?

[Spider-Fan]

Hollywood is more than patient. Venom could easily be used to be a ressurector of the franchise. So, if say, Venom wasn't in SM3, huge hit, gets another sequel, new crew. SM4, on the other hand, no Venom, doesn't make as much as the other one's. Sony may want to wait until this happens, put in Venom, and wham! franchise ressurected.

[Dr. Bromwell]

It's cliche' but "you strike while the iron's hot." I could see it going either way. I hope they hold off on Venom until SM4 with possibly a 2-movie arc.

But using the logic of the last two posts Sony would have saved Doc Ock for later as well. It could have easily been Lizard in SM2 if the goal of the franchise was to see how many movies could possibly be made. So why Ock? If SM2 failed they could have saved Ock for a sure hit in SM3, and then possibly Venom for 5 or 6. Instead, the franchise is going with the most popular villains, in order, to drive the movies from a box office standpoint.

DACrowe your story is a good comics to film version for the Lizard, but the formula is almost too close to SM2. It's a popular arguement for Venom, BUT it has to be factored in that scientists going mad is getting old. Throw on top of it that your version ends with Harry (once again) checking out Norman's stash only this time he actually takes the serum. I would hope that scenario is resolved a little better by the time the credits hit in SM3. Also, Peter and MJ only talking marriage by the end of the movie is drawing it out a bit much. I hope for a lot more action (whoever the villain or villains) in SM3 with the movie ending with a lead-in to the black suit, providing Venom isn't the bad guy.

You obviously have a good grasp of the comics and some skill in the writing department. For me, I just want a clear cut bad guy with some overdue additional action sequences and a resolution to the Harry/Peter conflict. PLEASE no overplayed Jekyll and Hyde wannabe villain!

[Thundahjack]

Alright, Venom is going to have his own seperate movie, entitled "Venom"(duh) and this is coming right after sm5, so I heard. But if they want Spider-man and venom to clash sooner it should be in 4. How so?

Peter and Harry have their final showdown, harry realizes he is too much like his father and goes beserk, peter(with his mask now off and so as harry, for emotional faces that we know and love) looks in horror as Harry runs straight into walls and rolls on the ground screaming "LEAVE ME ALONE!" then harry stops, peter whispers "harry?" and harry answers "no...goblin" and gets up shwoing pumpking eyes and the creepiest smile you've ever seen.

They fight, peter getting his ass whooped as harry pulls out his last bomb, aims at peter and drops it, realizing what he is doing, The bomb sets off in 10 seconds, giving Peter(who amazingly recovers) enough time to leave the arena before the place blows up. Peter gives his 'power and responsiblity, a curse, not a gift" lecture and it cuts to what seems like the credits

3 months later

peter and MJ are going around Harry's house after hearing from his will. harry promises Peter a "scientific breakthrough" and peter and MJ walk into the lab and see a tub of the symbiotic goo, with a description bearly seen saying "to my dearest friend"

Then credits, leaving a cliffhanger for 4th movie and venom

[Hunter Rider]

Where is Jerry Jin(Starter of such classic threads as "who fights superman better Joker or harley") i saw he was getting a PM from C lee about spamming.
Has he been banned ?
That's a shame he was thick but entertaining on a dull day:p

[OtepApe]

Where is Jerry Jin(Starter of such classic threads as "who fights superman better Joker or harley") i saw he was getting a PM from C lee about spamming.
Has he been banned ?
That's a shame he was thick but entertaining on a dull day:p


Yeah, he came up with some quality threads that kept me entertained.

[Alexander]

Venom´s origins must be completely different from the comic books. The comic book Venom was, to put it simply, completely stupid.

And this time, why not putting a villain that actually HATES the hero, for a change?

[Spider-Fan]

I have to say that the Green Goblin hated Spider-Man, after he was rejected. I don't think he would go to all the trouble of kidnapping and trying to mess with his head if he didn't. (Sure, Ock did too, but for a different reason. Revenge=hatred.)

[Goblin_Glider]

Why does Venom hates Spiderman so much anyway?

[Sam Fisher]

The way they should do it is that the end of the third movie, Peter and MJ will be having their wedding and then the symbiote attacks Peter and then in the fourth movie it will attach onto Brock and there, you have Venom. The fith movie should be Carnage

[Goblin_Glider]

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[Sam Fisher]

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A red X:confused:

[DACrowe]

I see it like this:

SM3 GG2 and wedding (hopefully relationship problems because if Raimi does not tackle that issue hte new guy who will be action oritented won't because the second trilogy will be inferior unfortunately and it is too bad because I wanted Raimi and Tobey to do Lizard).

SM4 will have Lizard and black stuff. It ends with Lizard cured and the black stuff getting on rival Eddie Brock.

SM5 is Venom baby! :(

ANd SM6 is Venom and Carnage for a not so graceful end to the series.

[Blade_fan1911]

My opinion on the venom in spidey 3. As much of a fan i am of venom i dont think it has a good chance but im not counting it out yet. Personaly i think they should do it for this reason only. They might not have a chance to make a sm4 or sm6 for him to be in it. It sounds nice that there will be 6 sm movies but i dont think its possible i think there would be a possible chance that they could do a venom origin in the 3rd movie ,but once again this is hollywood it would probly not be the original venom origin. I think that it shouldnt take like 2 movies just to bring in a villian i mean if that was true there would have been 2 spidey movies to entroduce gg. personally this is just me i dont wanna see another goblin (i know someones gonna hate me for sayin that).

[LastSunrise1981]

I see it like this:

SM3 GG2 and wedding (hopefully relationship problems because if Raimi does not tackle that issue hte new guy who will be action oritented won't because the second trilogy will be inferior unfortunately and it is too bad because I wanted Raimi and Tobey to do Lizard).

SM4 will have Lizard and black stuff. It ends with Lizard cured and the black stuff getting on rival Eddie Brock.

SM5 is Venom baby! :(

ANd SM6 is Venom and Carnage for a not so graceful end to the series.

I seriously hope that Raimi and Tobey stick around for more than 3 films. I can't picture any other director, nor can I picture any other actor portraying Peter Parker/Spider-Man.

I have and just like a lot of other people have gotten used to Raimi, Tobey, Dunst, and Franco. But the loss of Dunst I can deal with, but Raimi has brought this franchise to life and Tobey is the only Peter/Spidey I know.

If anything after SM3 they should take some time off and just give Spider-Man a break before revisiting the story again. The next one comes out in 2007 right? And Tobey is 29 right? So he'll be 32 by the time that comes out and I guess I can see where they want to get someone new. If they must get someone new, then Raimi should still direct it and Tobey should make a cameo appearance at least.

SM3 should have The Lizard. I don't want to see another Goblin just yet, give the Lizard his own movie and have Harry show up at the end in a cliffhanger sequence.

SM4- Green Goblin and maybe a secondary villain? Scorpion maybe?

SM5- Venom

[spider-jide]

Venom for spidey 3 is a horrible and retarded idea, period! For 3 it should be lizard and gg2, at the end bring in John Jameson bringing back a black ooze (symbiot) from space, and as the film ends, fading to black, you hear venom's roar-cry or whatever, classic stuff. Oh yeah and btw, eddie brock should be introduced and have his character well developed during spidey 3 for things to flow well for future films, namely spidey 4.

[Ace Gunman]

What I personally would love to see is....Venom. Granted, i'm a huge Venom fan. But you have to look at this from a box office point of view. People, normal people (not us comic book geeks :p), don't want to see the GG again. Harry or not, it's not good marketing stratgey. The movie would be Spidey 1 all over again. Harry gets powers, goes after Peter, then MJ, and then a big battle royal happens where he dies. Now personally, even though i'm a Spidey fan, even I don't want to see a movie about that. I'd watch it, but I probbably wouldn't enjoy it that much.

In an ideal world we get atleast 4 movies, Venom's the 3rd, closure to the Osborn/Green Goblin legacy in the 4th, and all during the 3rd they could have a small side plot about harry's growing drug/alcohal problem, leading into a completely mental breakdown for Spidey 4, where he takes on the mantle of Green Goblin (2nd) and goes after Peter. BUT you must remember Sam's made it pretty clear that Sony Pictures doesn't want more than 3, and neither does Tobey or Kirsten.

This is what I think is the best bet.....Have the movie be set a couple years after the 2nd, at the beggining have peter graduate from university (at that time he would be done his fourth year in college, give or take a few months). Then somewhere during the movie have him propose to MJ. Somewhere near the beggining they would have to introduce the symbiote, for this i'd either use the 90s Spidey animated series storyline (IE: Brought back to space by John Jameson or some other astronaut), OR they could use a similar/variation of the Ultimate Spider-Man symbiote plot. Meaning it would be an invention, possibly government created.

After you have it brought back from wherever, find some way for Peter to come into contact with it (obviously), all the while doing some subtle Brock loses career and hates Spider-Man for it plotline, possibly a variation of the comic book version. News Paper Headline: "TRUE Sin Eater Exposed...by Spider-Man!". You wouldn't actually need to show the fight between them, but it would be neat if they could fit it in. Then have Eddie walking down the dark streets at night only to find a notice saying he has to vacate his apartment psot-haste. Then entering to hear a message on the answering machine from his ex-wife talking about the divorce settlement.

Now, during the movie have Peter struggle with control of the symbiote, only to find out it's trying to take him over (most likely through angry impluses, as well as possibly yelling at Aunt May or MJ). Have some flashbacks to Peter as a child, hopefully limiting Uncle Ben's influence over the plotline (that plot is over-used). Do the whole Brock goes to chapel only to join with a rejected symbiote story. Then cut to the next scene, which occurs sometime after, with Peter and MJ moving into their new apartment (not yet married, but soon to be). Then have Venom approach MJ and scare her in her new home (like the classic spidey story), have her deathly frightened and whatnot.

Venom then plays some mind games with Peter (Threatens to reveal his identity, approaches his Aunt, etc). A huge battle occurs, Venom loses badly, but lives (or not), but if he lives that could run into the rumored "Venom" movie (where i'd like to see him battle it out with Carnage). BAM! There's 2 hours gone already. Now make the movie 2 and a half hours long and focus the last part on Harry breaking down and going after Peter, only to crash his wedding (which he had recieved an invite to). Yet another huge battle takes place, Harry (much stronger than his father, because of an enhanced formula) about to kill Peter, when suddenly his heart gives out, and he goes critical, due to the imperfect new formula, and then he dies in a hospital bed.

Okay, that's msot of another half an hour gone, and at the end show Peter and MJ (both wearing wedding rings/bands/whatever), at Harry's funeral (talking about how familiar this all seems). Now ofcourse there would be alot of other things in the movie, but that's just the basic plot. There's your movie. The perfect ending, both happy (because of the marriage) as well as sad (because of Harry unfortunate death).

The main plot would be focussed around Venom/The symbiote though, since alot of people don't want to see another movie devoted to the Green Goblin. The Lizard could make a good movie, but the plot can only be played out so long because the lizard is subject to base animal instincts, and can't really control his actions. Venom not only would make a great movie villain, but he has alot of fans, and would bring the movie a darker tone.

But hey, those are just my thoughts. :venom:

[ChinoXL]

By how everyone is going here we are never going to see venom "Ever."

I don't want to be an old disgruntled man 10 years from now finally seeing a venom movie.

[Nero_Ordin]

did anyone read the december issue of wizard because there is a poll of who should be the villian and guess which who led with 52%..... venom.

[American_Hobo]

did anyone read the december issue of wizard because there is a poll of who should be the villian and guess which who led with 52%..... venom.
I know....that means half of the people want Venom to b in it...

[Nero_Ordin]

then why can't raimi listen and stop his bs excuse at a hobgoblin.!!!!!!!!

[American_Hobo]

then why can't raimi listen and stop his bs excuse at a hobgoblin.!!!!!!!!
Hobgoblin?..What do you mean?..He want him to be in it?

[Spidergurl4302]

then why can't raimi listen and stop his bs excuse at a hobgoblin.!!!!!!!!first off i think you mean GG2 because Harry never was the hobgoblin second he knows this may be his last movie and that a good venom storyline would take probably 2 movies, and that its too early for venom

[Hunter Rider]

Truth is that we dont know nothing for sure,the film isnt out for 3 years and Raimi will decide what's best but at the moment the "it has to be gg2" brigade have the facts on their side but the fact is If you take a worldwide poll Venom would be the overwelming choice for sm3 and fox may push raimi's hand as buisness is buisness and "give the people what they want" is the way to do good buisness.

[OtepApe]

Yes, there is giving the majority of people what they want but then there is abandoning two movies worth of build up to please these people. Now I don't think Sony would like to damage a franchise like that.

[Hunter Rider]

Well only time will tell as to what fox will do but i guess my point is don't rule out the possibility of seeing both venom and gg2 in sm3;)

[OtepApe]

Fox aren't the company behind Spider-man it's Sony. Anyway the first two movies were dealt with great care by everyone involved, Sam was given a lot of leway with the movie and it proved to be very sucsseful, I don't think they are going to revoke that leway now.

[Hunter Rider]

ooooppppss!!!! your right about fox i had just been on the FF board and i got the wrong company:) Still though do you not want a second villain?
And sam himself hasn't ruled out venom.;)

[OtepApe]

Well I would like to see a secondary villain such as Lizard, Scorpion, Electro, Sandman etc However I do not want to see Venom in 3. I am not a huge Venom fan, but I expect him to be in the movies sooner or later. IMO Venom needs a good set up movie which should be 4 so he can appear in 5. Venom shouldn't be in 3 aswell as the Goblin. What's the point of throwing out all the big guns straight away? I think too many people are eager to see Venom in a movie that they are willing to not give the character the sole villain role, which I think is a mistake. He should be the sole villain and have it concentrate on him and not to have to fight for time with the Goblin. Sort out the whole Goblin legacy in 3 and then move onto Symbiotes in 4.

[DACrowe]

^ Lizard can carry his own movie. :mad:

[Hunter Rider]

Well I would like to see a secondary villain such as Lizard, Scorpion, Electro, Sandman etc However I do not want to see Venom in 3. I am not a huge Venom fan, but I expect him to be in the movies sooner or later. IMO Venom needs a good set up movie which should be 4 so he can appear in 5. Venom shouldn't be in 3 aswell as the Goblin. What's the point of throwing out all the big guns straight away? I think too many people are eager to see Venom in a movie that they are willing to not give the character the sole villain role, which I think is a mistake. He should be the sole villain and have it concentrate on him and not to have to fight for time with the Goblin. Sort out the whole Goblin legacy in 3 and then move onto Symbiotes in 4.
Thats a very good point,I just think you could introduce the black suit during 3 as spidey is battling GG2 and have him lose it during the movie and it end up on brock,the last shot of the movie could be eddie watching peter and then a close up to his face and it becomes venom.btw This is not a story just a way they could use 3 to set up Venom as the lead villain in 4 and then venom and carnage in 5.My choice for secondary villain would be either scorpion,sandman or hydro but i'm not very keen on the lizard

[Hunter Rider]

Well I would like to see a secondary villain such as Lizard, Scorpion, Electro, Sandman etc However I do not want to see Venom in 3. I am not a huge Venom fan, but I expect him to be in the movies sooner or later. IMO Venom needs a good set up movie which should be 4 so he can appear in 5. Venom shouldn't be in 3 aswell as the Goblin. What's the point of throwing out all the big guns straight away? I think too many people are eager to see Venom in a movie that they are willing to not give the character the sole villain role, which I think is a mistake. He should be the sole villain and have it concentrate on him and not to have to fight for time with the Goblin. Sort out the whole Goblin legacy in 3 and then move onto Symbiotes in 4.
Sorry computer is playing up

[Hunter Rider]

Well I would like to see a secondary villain such as Lizard, Scorpion, Electro, Sandman etc However I do not want to see Venom in 3. I am not a huge Venom fan, but I expect him to be in the movies sooner or later. IMO Venom needs a good set up movie which should be 4 so he can appear in 5. Venom shouldn't be in 3 aswell as the Goblin. What's the point of throwing out all the big guns straight away? I think too many people are eager to see Venom in a movie that they are willing to not give the character the sole villain role, which I think is a mistake. He should be the sole villain and have it concentrate on him and not to have to fight for time with the Goblin. Sort out the whole Goblin legacy in 3 and then move onto Symbiotes in 4.DITTO

[OtepApe]

^ Lizard can carry his own movie. :mad:

I'm not saying he can't but if he is to be in 3 then it's pretty sure that it'll be with Harry as The Goblin and the main focus will go on Harry, therefore leaving Lizard as a secondary villain.

[OtepApe]

Thats a very good point,I just think you could introduce the black suit during 3 as spidey is battling GG2 and have him lose it during the movie and it end up on brock,the last shot of the movie could be eddie watching peter and then a close up to his face and it becomes venom.btw This is not a story just a way they could use 3 to set up Venom as the lead villain in 4 and then venom and carnage in 5.My choice for secondary villain would be either scorpion,sandman or hydro but i'm not very keen on the lizard

Well yeah that's a way but I would personally like to see other villains aswell. They can't please everyone but let's have a few secondary villains and not just have the big 3 (Goblin, Venom and Ock). I just think it's best to leave Venom off for 3 because everything will become too convuluted and with various other elements on the story, it'll make for a crowded movie.

Maybe they can introduce the Eddie character and just show Spidey getting one up on him in 3. Then 4, Spidey humilates him some more, slowly building it up and not rushing it. Spidey gets the black suit and fights a villain whoever it may be. Then at the end Spidey rejects the suit but Brock is there on a story to discredit Spidey but gets the suit, as the cliffhanger show Eddie transform into venom. Then five, we can show someone stalikgn Peter Parker, making his life miserable. Slowly tormenting him and driving him crazy with anger and then the big fight with Venom.

[Hunter Rider]

Well yeah that's a way but I would personally like to see other villains aswell. They can't please everyone but let's have a few secondary villains and not just have the big 3 (Goblin, Venom and Ock). I just think it's best to leave Venom off for 3 because everything will become too convuluted and with various other elements on the story, it'll make for a crowded movie.

Maybe they can introduce the Eddie character and just show Spidey getting one up on him in 3. Then 4, Spidey humilates him some more, slowly building it up and not rushing it. Spidey gets the black suit and fights a villain whoever it may be. Then at the end Spidey rejects the suit but Brock is there on a story to discredit Spidey but gets the suit, as the cliffhanger show Eddie transform into venom. Then five, we can show someone stalikgn Peter Parker, making his life miserable. Slowly tormenting him and driving him crazy with anger and then the big fight with Venom.
This could also work but as a venom fan i dont really want to wait ten years to see him on screen:p ;)
Would you be happy with a montage of spidey kicking minor villain ass at the begining of SM3?
ive always thought it was a way to get the likes of vulture,rhino,shocker etc on the screen

[Ace Gunman]

Well yeah that's a way but I would personally like to see other villains aswell. They can't please everyone but let's have a few secondary villains and not just have the big 3 (Goblin, Venom and Ock). I just think it's best to leave Venom off for 3 because everything will become too convuluted and with various other elements on the story, it'll make for a crowded movie.

Maybe they can introduce the Eddie character and just show Spidey getting one up on him in 3. Then 4, Spidey humilates him some more, slowly building it up and not rushing it. Spidey gets the black suit and fights a villain whoever it may be. Then at the end Spidey rejects the suit but Brock is there on a story to discredit Spidey but gets the suit, as the cliffhanger show Eddie transform into venom. Then five, we can show someone stalikgn Peter Parker, making his life miserable. Slowly tormenting him and driving him crazy with anger and then the big fight with Venom.


Don't get me wrong, that's a great plan, but Sam already said that Sony doesn't want more than 3 movies. And no matter what the hardcore fans want, it's about box office sales. The sales won't be nearly as good for The lizard or green Goblin again as they would be for Venom. Thn there's the factor that even if SOny did make more then 3, Sam doesn't want to be involved in any more than 3, and niether do Tobey or Kirsten.

I've heard people saying that they'd like to see the characters "grow" and "age", in a continued series of movies. But even if Tobey does stay, that won't work. He's almost 30, he's almost 30 and he looks like he's 20. When he ages, it's not going to be a subtle thing, it's going to be BAM! and he'll no longer look the right age.

The thing is......movie-goers want Venom. I have a friend who's a casual Spidey fan, he watched the 90s animated series, has a few action figures, etc. And he (along with many others) don't want GG2. That is the opinion of the casual Spidey fan, or just movie goers in general. I'm a HUGE Venom fan, i've read every comic he's ever been in, seen every show, etc. And I want Venom as well. But the fact is there are alot of people who are considering not even seeing the movie if it's GG again.

I lost my original point...oh yes! The point is, there most likely won't be more than 3 movies. SO we should all stop saying... "In the 4th movie they should do this, or that!". Because there isn't going to be a forth, everything points to there not being a forth (much to my dismay, along with most Spidey fans). The main cast is leaving, the director, the studio doesn't want anymore, etc. It all points to no more than 3.

[The Lumberjack]

Don't get me wrong, that's a great plan, but Sam already said that Sony doesn't want more than 3 movies. And no matter what the hardcore fans want, it's about box office sales. The sales won't be nearly as good for The lizard or green Goblin again as they would be for Venom. Thn there's the factor that even if SOny did make more then 3, Sam doesn't want to be involved in any more than 3, and niether do Tobey or Kirsten.

I've heard people saying that they'd like to see the characters "grow" and "age", in a continued series of movies. But even if Tobey does stay, that won't work. He's almost 30, he's almost 30 and he looks like he's 20. When he ages, it's not going to be a subtle thing, it's going to be BAM! and he'll no longer look the right age.

The thing is......movie-goers want Venom. I have a friend who's a casual Spidey fan, he watched the 90s animated series, has a few action figures, etc. And he (along with many others) don't want GG2. That is the opinion of the casual Spidey fan, or just movie goers in general. I'm a HUGE Venom fan, i've read every comic he's ever been in, seen every show, etc. And I want Venom as well. But the fact is there are alot of people who are considering not even seeing the movie if it's GG again.

I lost my original point...oh yes! The point is, there most likely won't be more than 3 movies. SO we should all stop saying... "In the 4th movie they should do this, or that!". Because there isn't going to be a forth, everything points to there not being a forth (much to my dismay, along with most Spidey fans). The main cast is leaving, the director, the studio doesn't want anymore, etc. It all points to no more than 3.


Well said. I completely agree w/ everything you just said. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[spider-jide]

did anyone read the december issue of wizard because there is a poll of who should be the villian and guess which who led with 52%..... venom.

Thats interesting, where did they get their figures from? How big was their sample size? Raimi wont base his decision on meaningless stats from wizard oh and fyi it just so happens that Raimi is actually considering using the vulture or kraven for the 3rd movie which is a load of BS imo. Sometimes Raimi tries to go too deep with the characterization of peter parker that he overlooks the more better suited rout to take. Having GG2 and the Lizard will put peter in one hell of a predicament, surrounding his relatioships with conners and harry not to mention it makes for better visuals.

[OtepApe]

This could also work but as a venom fan i dont really want to wait ten years to see him on screen:p ;)
Would you be happy with a montage of spidey kicking minor villain ass at the begining of SM3?
ive always thought it was a way to get the likes of vulture,rhino,shocker etc on the screen

Yeah, I know what you mean. It was just an idea to appease people. Personally I am not too bothered if Venom appears. A montage would be nice, but wouldn't that be very expensive for two mins worth of film? Even if they just show a minor battle near the beginning that takes like 2 mins or something.

[OtepApe]

Don't get me wrong, that's a great plan, but Sam already said that Sony doesn't want more than 3 movies. And no matter what the hardcore fans want, it's about box office sales. The sales won't be nearly as good for The lizard or green Goblin again as they would be for Venom. Thn there's the factor that even if SOny did make more then 3, Sam doesn't want to be involved in any more than 3, and niether do Tobey or Kirsten.

I've heard people saying that they'd like to see the characters "grow" and "age", in a continued series of movies. But even if Tobey does stay, that won't work. He's almost 30, he's almost 30 and he looks like he's 20. When he ages, it's not going to be a subtle thing, it's going to be BAM! and he'll no longer look the right age.

The thing is......movie-goers want Venom. I have a friend who's a casual Spidey fan, he watched the 90s animated series, has a few action figures, etc. And he (along with many others) don't want GG2. That is the opinion of the casual Spidey fan, or just movie goers in general. I'm a HUGE Venom fan, i've read every comic he's ever been in, seen every show, etc. And I want Venom as well. But the fact is there are alot of people who are considering not even seeing the movie if it's GG again.

I lost my original point...oh yes! The point is, there most likely won't be more than 3 movies. SO we should all stop saying... "In the 4th movie they should do this, or that!". Because there isn't going to be a forth, everything points to there not being a forth (much to my dismay, along with most Spidey fans). The main cast is leaving, the director, the studio doesn't want anymore, etc. It all points to no more than 3.


Yes but, if there are no more after 3 then we need to finish the whole Harry thing. harry is going to be a Goblin that's pretty certain. If we then toss the origin of Venom, decent fights with Venom plus MJ, Aunt May, The BUgle etc it's going to make for a very messy movie.

I am saying Venom and Goblin shouldn't be in the same movie, it's convuluted for it to happen. Now you can disagree but A Venom and Goblin in same movie would be a complete clusterf**k. It's too much going on at once. I understand people want Venom but to abandon 2 movies worth of build up of harry becomming the Goblin, to put Venom in, is just crap. It won't happen and Sony aren't that stupid.

[Ace Gunman]

What I personally would love to see is....Venom. Granted, i'm a huge Venom fan. But you have to look at this from a box office point of view. People, normal people (not us comic book geeks :p), don't want to see the GG again. Harry or not, it's not good marketing stratgey. The movie would be Spidey 1 all over again. Harry gets powers, goes after Peter, then MJ, and then a big battle royal happens where he dies. Now personally, even though i'm a Spidey fan, even I don't want to see a movie about that. I'd watch it, but I probbably wouldn't enjoy it that much.

In an ideal world we get atleast 4 movies, Venom's the 3rd, closure to the Osborn/Green Goblin legacy in the 4th, and all during the 3rd they could have a small side plot about harry's growing drug/alcohal problem, leading into a completely mental breakdown for Spidey 4, where he takes on the mantle of Green Goblin (2nd) and goes after Peter. BUT you must remember Sam's made it pretty clear that Sony Pictures doesn't want more than 3, and neither does Tobey or Kirsten.

This is what I think is the best bet.....Have the movie be set a couple years after the 2nd, at the beggining have peter graduate from university (at that time he would be done his fourth year in college, give or take a few months). Then somewhere during the movie have him propose to MJ. Somewhere near the beggining they would have to introduce the symbiote, for this i'd either use the 90s Spidey animated series storyline (IE: Brought back to space by John Jameson or some other astronaut), OR they could use a similar/variation of the Ultimate Spider-Man symbiote plot. Meaning it would be an invention, possibly government created.

After you have it brought back from wherever, find some way for Peter to come into contact with it (obviously), all the while doing some subtle Brock loses career and hates Spider-Man for it plotline, possibly a variation of the comic book version. News Paper Headline: "TRUE Sin Eater Exposed...by Spider-Man!". You wouldn't actually need to show the fight between them, but it would be neat if they could fit it in. Then have Eddie walking down the dark streets at night only to find a notice saying he has to vacate his apartment psot-haste. Then entering to hear a message on the answering machine from his ex-wife talking about the divorce settlement.

Now, during the movie have Peter struggle with control of the symbiote, only to find out it's trying to take him over (most likely through angry impluses, as well as possibly yelling at Aunt May or MJ). Have some flashbacks to Peter as a child, hopefully limiting Uncle Ben's influence over the plotline (that plot is over-used). Do the whole Brock goes to chapel only to join with a rejected symbiote story. Then cut to the next scene, which occurs sometime after, with Peter and MJ moving into their new apartment (not yet married, but soon to be). Then have Venom approach MJ and scare her in her new home (like the classic spidey story), have her deathly frightened and whatnot.

Venom then plays some mind games with Peter (Threatens to reveal his identity, approaches his Aunt, etc). A huge battle occurs, Venom loses badly, but lives (or not), but if he lives that could run into the rumored "Venom" movie (where i'd like to see him battle it out with Carnage). BAM! There's 2 hours gone already. Now make the movie 2 and a half hours long and focus the last part on Harry breaking down and going after Peter, only to crash his wedding (which he had recieved an invite to). Yet another huge battle takes place, Harry (much stronger than his father, because of an enhanced formula) about to kill Peter, when suddenly his heart gives out, and he goes critical, due to the imperfect new formula, and then he dies in a hospital bed.

Okay, that's msot of another half an hour gone, and at the end show Peter and MJ (both wearing wedding rings/bands/whatever), at Harry's funeral (talking about how familiar this all seems). Now ofcourse there would be alot of other things in the movie, but that's just the basic plot. There's your movie. The perfect ending, both happy (because of the marriage) as well as sad (because of Harry unfortunate death).

The main plot would be focussed around Venom/The symbiote though, since alot of people don't want to see another movie devoted to the Green Goblin. The Lizard could make a good movie, but the plot can only be played out so long because the lizard is subject to base animal instincts, and can't really control his actions. Venom not only would make a great movie villain, but he has alot of fans, and would bring the movie a darker tone.

But hey, those are just my thoughts. :venom:



I understand, OtepApe. Infact, that's why I came up with a possible rough draft for the movies plot, it's detailed, but only to a certain extent. I said it in this thread earlier on (Page 3, actually), but i've quoted it in this very post, all you have to do is look up. Personally, my idea has everything I want to see in the final Spider-Man movie.

It has Venom, Green Goblin/Harry closure, it evolves both Peter and MJ as characters (mostly Peter, but still), and moves their relationship to the next level, it also has that one thing a finale can't be without......a certain air of finality......while still leaving the plot open-ended for future expansion (maybe in the form of future movies, maybe a TV series, or what-have-you). :venom:


EDIT: Oh yes, i'd also like to see Peter with a braver attitude in the 3rd film, i'm sure some time will pass between 2 and 3 (maybe 2 years again), and what with him getting constant strength from MJ, and just growing up in general.....basically, I think he doesn't need to be quite so shy and timmid as he was in the first 2 films. He should be more mature, carry himself differently, the kind of way you can only carry yourself because of support from a significant other.

[OtepApe]

I understand, OtepApe. Infact, that's why I came up with a possible rough draft for the movies plot, it's detailed, but only to a certain extent. I said it in this thread earlier on (Page 3, actually), but i've quoted it in this very post, all you have to do is look up. Personally, my idea has everything I want to see in the final Spider-Man movie.

It has Venom, Green Goblin/Harry closure, it evolves both Peter and MJ as characters (mostly Peter, but still), and moves their relationship to the next level, it also has that one thing a finale can't be without......a certain air of finality......while still leaving the plot open-ended for future expansion (maybe in the form of future movies, maybe a TV series, or what-have-you). :venom:


EDIT: Oh yes, i'd also like to see Peter with a braver attitude in the 3rd film, i'm sure some time will pass between 2 and 3 (maybe 2 years again), and what with him getting constant strength from MJ, and just growing up in general.....basically, I think he doesn't need to be quite so shy and timmid as he was in the first 2 films. He should be more mature, carry himself differently, the kind of way you can only carry yourself because of support from a significant other.

Ok, well from looking at your idea I have a few things to say. You have the main focus on Venom when it should be on Harry, you say people won't be interested in seeing another Goblin, I think your wrong. Look at Darth Vader for example, he was the villain in all three Star Wars movies. Plus writers could make it work. Plus it's not the same villain, it's Peters best friend, it could easily work. These writers get paid a lot of money to do stuff like this, I am sure they can pull it off without sounding familiar.


Having the whole symbitoe thing in one movie would be too rushed. I understand you want Venom in, but this is the wrong way of going about it IMO. To have two movies worth of build up of harry turning into the Goblin and then to be pushed aside in favor of Venom is poor storytelling, they can make another Goblin work. Venom should not be in the 3rd movie because it will take away everything the first two movies have tried to be doing. Sony won't want to totally rape the series just to make Venom fans happy.

The thing is, if Sony won't be doing anymore movies after 3 (which I think is wrong anyway), then Venom fans are desperate to get Venom in before it ends. I want my favourite character to be featured in the movies but if he isn't I understand. venom fans need to stop being like this and let the storyline finish with Harry WITHOUT Venom.

[Ace Gunman]

But that's the thing, Harry ISN'T a main focus. He's a snivelling drug addicted wimp (and a heck of a character for it) who lost almost as soon as he began (comic-wise), if anything the Harry/Goblin plot is a sideplot, that not only couldn't fill a whole movie. But thr casual movie goer doesn't want it either. I say this not because i'm a huge Venom fan, or anything like that. But because i've seen first hand, on other message boards, on other online chats, mIRC channels, etc.

People want Venom, and box office sales would be much better with Venom, and that's what it's about. Do you honestly think Sony cares about the fans? I'm sure they do to a certain extent, but in the end...it's about money. They won't make the kind of money they want to make with a GG2 Spidey film. I tell you this now, half an hour, to an hour, is the most time a Harry goes GG2 plot can fill. If they pushed it any longer then that it would become a bore-fest.

This is how it would go down.....Harry breaks down, goes after Spidey, they both make a strategic retreat, he goes after MJ to get at Peter, one final duel to the death, Harry dies.....the end. You could fit some character advancing moment in their but that's still not nearly enough to fill a whole movie. I'm a huge Spider-Man fan, have been since I was a small boy, but it just won't work as a whole movie. ANd in the end it would turn out predictable, just another....."Return of the <Place Name Here>" movie.

The majority wants Venom, the studio will be pushing for Venom, and GG2 can't fill the timeslot without becoming an almost exact copy of the first Spidey movie combined with almost any other "Return of the..." movie. Heck, even as a hardcore Spidey fan I wouldn't be in a rush to see that movie in theatres. I've seen all the Spidey movies so far on the first day they were released, bought the DVDs on the first day they were released (later today i'm getting Spider-Man 2). And so on, but even so, i'd be hesitant to see a movie about GG2, and i'm a Green Goblin fan (movie or otherwise).

Alot of casual movie-goers only liked Spidey 1, only liked the Green Goblin, and alot of the online fanbase refered to his armor as "Power Ranger armor" (althoguh i'm not sure why.....Power Ranger's wear a sort of spandex material...). So if even I, a person who is a fan of GG, a person who actually favored James Franco over most of the other cast members, don't want to see a GG2 movie.......Then what does that say for the rest of the world who just "liked" him?

[OtepApe]

But that's the thing, Harry ISN'T a main focus. He's a snivelling drug addicted wimp (and a heck of a character for it) who lost almost as soon as he began (comic-wise), if anything the Harry/Goblin plot is a sideplot, that not only couldn't fill a whole movie. But thr casual movie goer doesn't want it either. I say this not because i'm a huge Venom fan, or anything like that. But because i've seen first hand, on other message boards, on other online chats, mIRC channels, etc.

People want Venom, and box office sales would be much better with Venom, and that's what it's about. Do you honestly think Sony cares about the fans? I'm sure they do to a certain extent, but in the end...it's about money. They won't make the kind of money they want to make with a GG2 Spidey film. I tell you this now, half an hour, to an hour, is the most time a Harry goes GG2 plot can fill. If they pushed it any longer then that it would become a bore-fest.

This is how it would go down.....Harry breaks down, goes after Spidey, they both make a strategic retreat, he goes after MJ to get at Peter, one final duel to the death, Harry dies.....the end. You could fit some character advancing moment in their but that's still not nearly enough to fill a whole movie. I'm a huge Spider-Man fan, have been since I was a small boy, but it just won't work as a whole movie. ANd in the end it would turn out predictable, just another....."Return of the <Place Name Here>" movie.

The majority wants Venom, the studio will be pushing for Venom, and GG2 can't fill the timeslot without becoming an almost exact copy of the first Spidey movie combined with almost any other "Return of the..." movie. Heck, even as a hardcore Spidey fan I wouldn't be in a rush to see that movie in theatres. I've seen all the Spidey movies so far on the first day they were released, bought the DVDs on the first day they were released (later today i'm getting Spider-Man 2). And so on, but even so, i'd be hesitant to see a movie about GG2, and i'm a Green Goblin fan (movie or otherwise).

Alot of casual movie-goers only liked Spidey 1, only liked the Green Goblin, and alot of the online fanbase refered to his armor as "Power Ranger armor" (althoguh i'm not sure why.....Power Ranger's wear a sort of spandex material...). So if even I, a person who is a fan of GG, a person who actually favored James Franco over most of the other cast members, don't want to see a GG2 movie.......Then what does that say for the rest of the world who just "liked" him?

Harry isn't a main focus, are you serious??? Harrys story is one of the best stories to ever come out of the Spider-man comics. Dude honestly, Harry could totally carry a movie by himself or like I said have a secondary villain like Sandman, Scorpion, Electro etc

Your thinking regular movie goers won't want to see another Goblin or perhaps they'd like to see the actual ending to 2 movies worth of build up. yes there are more venom fans then most others, but most venom fans only like him because of the way he looks or that he's the 'evil spider-man'. You can't enter the head of every single movie fan and say what they want. I don't care what they want, they need to finish the Harry story and to have it pushed aside for Venom is ridiculous.

Like you, I have been to see the movies on opening night, like you I bought the dvds on the the day they were relased and I also preferred James Franco to most of the other cast members but not like you I want to see a ending to the Goblin legacy and not pushed aside for Venom who is the 'cool' villain. If they put venom in this and push aside harry then I won't be as eager to see the moive because it will e poor storytelling. I am not opposed to having venom in the series but just not 3. Most venom fans are bothered, because if this is the final movie then they are bothered they won't get to see Venom. I can honestly say hand on my heart that Venom won't be in 3 and Harry will be the main focus like he should be.

[Ace Gunman]

Harry isn't a main focus, are you serious??? Harrys story is one of the best stories to ever come out of the Spider-man comics. Dude honestly, Harry could totally carry a movie by himself or like I said have a secondary villain like Sandman, Scorpion, Electro etc

Your thinking regular movie goers won't want to see another Goblin or perhaps they'd like to see the actual ending to 2 movies worth of build up. yes there are more venom fans then most others, but most venom fans only like him because of the way he looks or that he's the 'evil spider-man'. You can't enter the head of every single movie fan and say what they want. I don't care what they want, they need to finish the Harry story and to have it pushed aside for Venom is ridiculous.

Like you, I have been to see the movies on opening night, like you I bought the dvds on the the day they were relased and I also preferred James Franco to most of the other cast members but not like you I want to see a ending to the Goblin legacy and not pushed aside for Venom who is the 'cool' villain. If they put venom in this and push aside harry then I won't be as eager to see the moive because it will e poor storytelling. I am not opposed to having venom in the series but just not 3. Most venom fans are bothered, because if this is the final movie then they are bothered they won't get to see Venom. I can honestly say hand on my heart that Venom won't be in 3 and Harry will be the main focus like he should be.

Actual, I was saying Harry wasn't a main focus in the movies, that's where he's a sideplot (Sorry, I should have been more specific :)). It's true though, Venom is a hit because he's the Anti-Spider-Man, I liked him for alot more reasons than that, but that was what drew me to him. But, in the movies the Harry thing is a sideplot, and no, for the love of all that is holy......don't throw in a random B or C level villain.

Remember Batman Forever and Batman & Robin? TERRIBLE movies (watchable, but not nearly as good as the first 2), know why? Two reasons really, Robin.....Batman's movies seemed to be dragged down by Robin, and having 2 villains. Yes, I was sugegsting 2 villains as well Venom and the Goblin, but the Goblin, in my vision of PSidey 3, is actually more of a surprise ending.

Picture it...the big fight with Venom is over, now, Flash forward to the wedding......the church. Peter and MJ are at the alter, the minister says "Does anyone have any objections?". And you're expecting some magical moment, just then......a pumpkin bomb flys through the window and GG2 flys in, a battle ensues, and well, you know the rest.

If you have a movie centered around Harry becoming GG2, what you'll have is a little thing known as "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2", you know, the one where shredder comes back, and the whole movie is cenetered around him standing around saying "I'll get the turtles!", only in the end to have him pumped up for 2 seconds and then die. Return/Revenge movies are never good, that's why you have to take the focuss OFF of Harry, make people think nothing's going to happen while distracting them with Venom. Then when they least expect it, Green Goblin's back, baby!

Venom is a deep character, but it's been proved time and time again that that depth (or atleast the basic hatred for Spidey), and Spidey doing the whole "I've got a new costume...wait, it's evil! ahhhhh! go away!" thing, can be done quickly (IE: Ultimate Spider-Man, 90s Spider-Man animated series, and others).

[OtepApe]

Actual, I was saying Harry wasn't a main focus in the movies, that's where he's a sideplot (Sorry, I should have been more specific :)). It's true though, Venom is a hit because he's the Anti-Spider-Man, I liked him for alot more reasons than that, but that was what drew me to him. But, in the movies the Harry thing is a sideplot, and no, for the love of all that is holy......don't throw in a random B or C level villain.

Remember Batman Forever and Batman & Robin? TERRIBLE movies (watchable, but not nearly as good as the first 2), know why? Two reasons really, Robin.....Batman's movies seemed to be dragged down by Robin, and having 2 villains. Yes, I was sugegsting 2 villains as well Venom and the Goblin, but the Goblin, in my vision of PSidey 3, is actually more of a surprise ending.

Picture it...the big fight with Venom is over, now, Flash forward to the wedding......the church. Peter and MJ are at the alter, the minister says "Does anyone have any objections?". And you're expecting some magical moment, just then......a pumpkin bomb flys through the window and GG2 flys in, a battle ensues, and well, you know the rest.

If you have a movie centered around Harry becoming GG2, what you'll have is a little thing known as "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2", you know, the one where shredder comes back, and the whole movie is cenetered around him standing around saying "I'll get the turtles!", only in the end to have him pumped up for 2 seconds and then die. Return/Revenge movies are never good, that's why you have to take the focuss OFF of Harry, make people think nothing's going to happen while distracting them with Venom. Then when they least expect it, Green Goblin's back, baby!

Venom is a deep character, but it's been proved time and time again that that depth (or atleast the basic hatred for Spidey), and Spidey doing the whole "I've got a new costume...wait, it's evil! ahhhhh! go away!" thing, can be done quickly (IE: Ultimate Spider-Man, 90s Spider-Man animated series, and others).

Yes but obviously Harry will take centre stage with the ending of Spider-man 2. Just because the final two Batman movies didn't work well doesn't mean that will happen with Spider-man. Batman Returns proves that two villains could work. hey don't even have to work together and just be kept separate.

Venom needs a set up movie, not just one movie. If you have one movie with venom and Goblin you have to have the intruduction of the suit, Spidey wearing the suit, Spidey rejecting the suit, the introduction of Eddie, the humiliations of Eddie thanks to Spidey, Eddie getting the suit, a decent battle between Venom and Spider-man, possibly 2 battles, then harrys struggles with his fathers actions, Harry deciding on what to do all of that, poosibly seeing images of his father, plus we have Spider-man and Mj, Aunt May, The Bugle and other things, it makes for a very messy mobie. If they have Venom in with The Goblin in 3, it will ruin what has been a great franchise.

[American_Hobo]

Yes but obviously Harry will take centre stage with the ending of Spider-man 2. Just because the final two Batman movies didn't work well doesn't mean that will happen with Spider-man. Batman Returns proves that two villains could work. hey don't even have to work together and just be kept separate.

Venom needs a set up movie, not just one movie. If you have one movie with venom and Goblin you have to have the intruduction of the suit, Spidey wearing the suit, Spidey rejecting the suit, the introduction of Eddie, the humiliations of Eddie thanks to Spidey, Eddie getting the suit, a decent battle between Venom and Spider-man, possibly 2 battles, then harrys struggles with his fathers actions, Harry deciding on what to do all of that, poosibly seeing images of his father, plus we have Spider-man and Mj, Aunt May, The Bugle and other things, it makes for a very messy mobie. If they have Venom in with The Goblin in 3, it will ruin what has been a great franchise.
I don't he NEEDS whole movie to introduce him...
If they decides to use Venom, I'm sure they can have a easy way to introduce him

[Stevens25]

I don't see why some people don't want Venom in part 3,especially Raimi himself. Venom may not be what some people call a "classic" villain,but he is the most evil looking of all Spidey's foes.Plus,I always hear Sam Raimi say that he wants villains in his movies that are attached to Spidey and Peter Parker in some way.Venom does that.The symbiote used to be Spiderman's after all and it knows all of Peters secrets,fears and weaknesses. Plus,you want a villain on screen who is visually stunning and will catch people's eye.Again,Venom does this. The reason Venom is my favorite Spidey foe is because he is the anti-Spiderman. Same kinda look,same powers,except Venom is evil. He is what Spidey could become if he ever lost control. I've read a little of the comics too and I loved the way Venom/Eddie Brock tormented Peter and threatened his family,especially MJ. As for Venom having no personality,well,Raimi and the screenwriters have proven that they can create great characters and story.They could give Venom a makeover and make him the baddest of all Spidey's enemies.
Besides,from what I've heard,the series may end at 3.What better way to go out than have Venom and Spiderman face off to end the series? :venom:

[Ace Gunman]

I don't see why some people don't want Venom in part 3,especially Raimi himself. Venom may not be what some people call a "classic" villain,but he is the most evil looking of all Spidey's foes.Plus,I always hear Sam Raimi say that he wants villains in his movies that are attached to Spidey and Peter Parker in some way.Venom does that.The symbiote used to be Spiderman's after all and it knows all of Peters secrets,fears and weaknesses. Plus,you want a villain on screen who is visually stunning and will catch people's eye.Again,Venom does this. The reason Venom is my favorite Spidey foe is because he is the anti-Spiderman. Same kinda look,same powers,except Venom is evil. He is what Spidey could become if he ever lost control. I've read a little of the comics too and I loved the way Venom/Eddie Brock tormented Peter and threatened his family,especially MJ. As for Venom having no personality,well,Raimi and the screenwriters have proven that they can create great characters and story.They could give Venom a makeover and make him the baddest of all Spidey's enemies.
Besides,from what I've heard,the series may end at 3.What better way to go out than have Venom and Spiderman face off to end the series? :venom:

Well, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. Venom is Spidey's ultimate challenge (although Norman Osborn/Green Goblin 1 is his ultimate protagonist). Venom has all his powers, memories, secrets, and so on. The only difference is Venom is stronger, faster, and although people don't think of Eddie Brock like this...he's actually quite intelligent.

But there's more to Venom/Eddie/The Symbiote then just being an anti-Spider-Man....

****EDDIE BROCK'S STORY****

Once apon a time, Eddie's father (Carol Brock), and his wife were a happy couple...but Carol's wife was still unhappy. You see.....she wanted a big family, and would never truely be happy until she got one. So they started having kids first (presumeably) she gave birth to Eddie's older sister (Mary Brock), then later on in life...while giving birth to Eddie, Eddie's mother died. After that his father was never the same, he was no longer loving, caring, or anything, he was just a bitter cynical man. Althoguh, he still gave Eddie the best things in life (the best schools, and so on). But he never *really* payed attention to him.

Eddie grew up without the love of his father, and while trying to prove something to himself and his father, he became a journalist (He went through college, journalism courses, etc). Somewhere along the line he married Anne Weying, they were happy, in love...but Eddie's father still didn't notice him. No matter how well in life he did. Eventually something went bad in Eddie's marriage, they seperated and eventually got a divorce. Not long after Eddie's career was going down the toilet, he had to prove his worth, and did when a Man claimed to be the criminal named "Sin Eater". Eddie's career was now going strong.

Until Spider-Man exposed the true Sin Eater. Eddie became a laughing stock, he was fired, and humiliated. And blamed it all on Spider-Man (who's fault it technically was). Little did we all know at the time, Eddie was also diagnosed with a specific type of cancer, and didn't have long to live. His life was ruined, he lost his wife, his job, and soon his life (or so we would think). It was over for Eddie, and in turn he was going to end it all, but before he did (being the religious man he is) he went to a local Cathedral to pray before he would kill himself.

Little did he know, Eddie Brock would die that night, but not in the way he thought.


****THE SYMBIOTE'S STORY****

The symbiote, the black costume, whatever you want to call it...has just as much of a tragic story as Brock. The race it came from, arn't really symbiotes at all, actually, they're more like parasites, they feed off a lifeform until they die, then they discard them and find a new host. But this particular symbiote wasn't like that, it was good, it believed that a symbiote and host should live in harmony. The other members of it's species didn't take this idea likely, infact they labeled the symbiote insane and imprisoned it on a special planet (The Secret War planet) where they were later going to disect it.

Fortunately, before they could Spider-Man stumbled upon it and would later take it back to earth, for months (I presume), the symbiote and Spider-Man worked together as a team, just like the symbiote had always dreamed. Unfortunately when it tried to fully bond with Peter he rejected it and it was imprisoned by Reed Richards (Mr.Fantastic). Later on however, it would escape and track down parker only to try and re-bond with him, Peter once again rejected it, this time relying on the sonic frequencys of a large bell at a local cathedral.

The symbiote would be rejected, half dead, it's (metaphysical) heart.....crushed. However, while at the chathedral it sensed another.....another person who's hatred for SPider-Man was endless, Eddie Brock. It merged with him and they formed a single entity......VENOM!


****VENOM'S STORY****

Venom was born, the hatred from both the symbiote and Brock would allow them to form a new alliance, one dedicated to destroying Spider-Man/Peter Parker. The symbiote shared all of the secrets it had learned from parker with Brock, as well as Spidey's abilities (only stronger). He was immune to his Spider sense, stronger, faster, and so much more. But, Brock still had basic control over the symbiote, and fought to keep it (mostly because it was the symbiote that kept his cancer at bay, and gave him a reason to live).

Eddie was not gone however, infact his sense of virtue was shared with the symbiote, he wanted only to kill Spider-Man, but not hurt the innocent. After countless battles with Spidey, Venom eventually learned that Spidey was a nescisary evil, and that without him other innocents would die. They made a deal, if Spidey didn't come after Venom, Venom wouldn't go after Spidey. SO Venom went off to San Fransisco to persue a career as a hero (when ifnact he was on par with The Punisher, and killed anyone who commited even the smallest crime).

Throughout his career as a hero, and as a villain, he had many relationships with women, none lasted however due to his identity as Venom. He also made many allies (Morbius, Wolverine, Punisher, and many MANY more), as well as many enemies. Then there's his many offspring, Carnage, the first. And a few others who's dorment eggs were extracted from the symbiote and then genetically modified. But I digress......

During all this time the symbiote was strangely effected by Brock's mind, and the human mind in general. It did, in the long run, make him evil, and so the truce with Spidey didn't last. It slowly began eating away at Brock's mind and soul, leaving him basically an empty shell. For some reason, the symbiote has now mutated, changed, evolved, it's now more powerful, and evil. It can exsist without Brock, but still uses him as a tool (going back and forth between Brock). And in the long run, Venom became more symbiote than Brock.

Well, i've covered alot of Venom history, but you know what? That's not even 50% of it. Not even close actually. But i'll finish up by saying what's been going on in recent Venom history. The symbiote is pregnant again, Anne Weying killed herself because she went mad from contact with the symbiote (a couple of times the symbiote bonded with her to become a sort of She-Venom). Eddie's cancer worsened, and he has a revelation, he no longer wanted the symbiote, and auctioned it off to the highest bidder for millions of dollars, then gave that money to charity.

So what happened to Eddie? Knwoing he didn't have long to live, and because the pain was unbearable.....Eddie slit his wrists, and is now (presumabley) dead. But the symbiote lives on, after it abandoned it's new (weak) host, it went off, most likely to find a new host...


Well, that's Venom, and that's just the tip of the iceburg. :venom:

[GoldGoblin]

We need to save him for S-M4 or S-M5 to keep the franchise going,because he is one of the coolest villains.

[Ace Gunman]

We need to save him for S-M4 or S-M5 to keep the franchise going,because he is one of the coolest villains.

*Breaks down and starts crying* That's the point! There won't be a 4th or 5th! Venom is one of the best, and if there isn't going to be any more then 3, he NEEDS to be in the 3rd.

[MaJiN]

I agree as well. "Patience grasshoppers". As much as we want to see how Venom will be depicted on the big screen, he's going to have to be held back for a while. Let's just allow Raimi to finish the 3rd film and hope that Sony is willing to do a 2nd Spidey trilogy which would most likely be centered around the symbiote.

[spider-jide]

All you geeks expecting to see venom for the 3rd movies are kidding yourselves. Wake up and stop dreaming. They havn't even showed us Brock, where is the symbiot gonna come from, bond with spidey and eventually get to brock and give us venom as a villain for a 2 hour movie? I'll tell you where its gonna come from, from your asses! It aint gonna happen, period, why is it so hard to understand? If the movie makes certain decisions for the 3rd movie e.g. bring in brock and bring in the symbiot at the end of the 3rd movie, theres a big chance venom could be the villain for the 4th movie.

[Ace Gunman]

All you geeks expecting to see venom for the 3rd movies are kidding yourselves. Wake up and stop dreaming. They havn't even showed us Brock, where is the symbiot gonna come from, bond with spidey and eventually get to brock and give us venom as a villain for a 2 hour movie? I'll tell you where its gonna come from, from your asses! It aint gonna happen, period, why is it so hard to understand? If the movie makes certain decisions for the 3rd movie e.g. bring in brock and bring in the symbiot at the end of the 3rd movie, theres a big chance venom could be the villain for the 4th movie.

Pfft, shows what you know. The Spider-Man animated series did the entire Venom saga (including the symbiote joining with Spidey) in 3 episodes! Know how long that is in real time? 60 minutes, 20 per episode. And that's with a bunch of extra stuff that isn't needed (like a fight with Shocker), take out all the crap we don't need from that story, you have all that done in 40 minutes, leaving you 80 more minutes to work with. Venom is a simple movie to make (next to the CGI, but you bet your @sses Spidey 3 will have a bigger budget).

[spider-jide]

Pfft, shows what you know. The Spider-Man animated series did the entire Venom saga (including the symbiote joining with Spidey) in 3 episodes! Know how long that is in real time? 60 minutes, 20 per episode. And that's with a bunch of extra stuff that isn't needed (like a fight with Shocker), take out all the crap we don't need from that story, you have all that done in 40 minutes, leaving you 80 more minutes to work with. Venom is a simple movie to make (next to the CGI, but you bet your @sses Spidey 3 will have a bigger budget).

Oh my goodness, you are perhaps one of the most intellectually challanged posters i've met on these boards! Your comparing a cartoon show to a movie? :rolleyes: How pathetic, really and truley I dont usually respond to ignorant posters who feel the need to boast their "spidey knowledge" through what they know of the cartoons. I've already said that the cartoon's interpretation of introducing venom is a brilliant idea to include in the movies but this is a movie where real character development has to happen for the film to be credible and to do itself justice and not end up like those crappy batman film, heres a tip, jimbo go by yourself a clue because you clearly dont know what your talking about. :rolleyes:

[Ace Gunman]

Oh my goodness, you are perhaps one of the most intellectually challanged posters i've met on these boards! Your comparing a cartoon show to a movie? :rolleyes: How pathetic, really and truley I dont usually respond to ignorant posters who feel the need to boast their "spidey knowledge" through what they know of the cartoons. I've already said that the cartoon's interpretation of introducing venom is a brilliant idea to include in the movies but this is a movie where real character development has to happen for the film to be credible and to do itself justice and not end up like those crappy batman film, heres a tip, jimbo go by yourself a clue because you clearly dont know what your talking about. :rolleyes:

You don't need to be so rude, I was only showing you one option. The Venom movie can be done with fairly little hastle. Brock is a character who's depth can be shown without having 50 minutes dedicated to developing him. Basically.....fired, pissed off at Spidey, divorced, bam! He's introduced. It's fairly simple. Anyways, I wasn't trying to boast, I was only presenting you with one of many possible options for a plot, especially one where you need to fit in as much as possible.

No matter what you may think, cartoons and movies are not so different, it takes just as much time for a cartoon character to walk into a room and say something, as it does for an in-the-flesh actor. It takes just as much time for Spidey to throw a punch at Venom in animated form, as it would in (most likely) CGI.

:)

[spider-jide]

You don't need to be so rude, I was only showing you one option. The Venom movie can be done with fairly little hastle. Brock is a character who's depth can be shown without having 50 minutes dedicated to developing him. Basically.....fired, pissed off at Spidey, divorced, bam! He's introduced. It's fairly simple. Anyways, I wasn't trying to boast, I was only presenting you with one of many possible options for a plot, especially one where you need to fit in as much as possible.

No matter what you may think, cartoons and movies are not so different, it takes just as much time for a cartoon character to walk into a room and say something, as it does for an in-the-flesh actor. It takes just as much time for Spidey to throw a punch at Venom in animated form, as it would in (most likely) CGI.

:)

Look, try to understand that some concepts that work in a cartoon needs to be done on a greater scale if translating it to a movie. If i weren't a spidey fan, theres no way i'd believe that a guy could have so much hate for spidey and blame him for everything wrong in his life in under 20minutes if he's never been seen before. Brock has to go through a gradual process aka character development to really make us believe that yes, this guy cant stand spider-man's guts.

[Ace Gunman]

Look, try to understand that some concepts that work in a cartoon needs to be done on a greater scale if translating it to a movie. If i weren't a spidey fan, theres no way i'd believe that a guy could have so much hate for spidey and blame him for everything wrong in his life in under 20minutes if he's never been seen before. Brock has to go through a gradual process aka character development to really make us believe that yes, this guy cant stand spider-man's guts.

Damn! You're right. The one time I forget to look at it from a Non-fan/casual movie-goer's point of view.... :venom:

[OtepApe]

Plus in the cartoon show, they had shown Brock from the first episode and in that epidosde Brock was humiliated by Spidey. Staring the long haul to Brock being Venom. PLus in the cartoon series, they didn't have to focus on Petey's relationship with MJ, Harrys problems etc It makes for a crowded movie. Plus a not having a fourth movie has not been set in stone, we don't know for sure. They say that now but they also said they'd do 6 movies and then 9 movies. WE won't know until after Spider-man 3 comes out.

[American_Hobo]

Plus in the cartoon show, they had shown Brock from the first episode and in that epidosde Brock was humiliated by Spidey. Staring the long haul to Brock being Venom. PLus in the cartoon series, they didn't have to focus on Petey's relationship with MJ, Harrys problems etc It makes for a crowded movie. Plus a not having a fourth movie has not been set in stone, we don't know for sure. They say that now but they also said they'd do 6 movies and then 9 movies. WE won't know until after Spider-man 3 comes out.
Why can't Raimi just use Venom?.....I mean he's such a cool villains...

[OtepApe]

LMFAO!!! :D

Dude, I have tried using the reasons I believe why Venom shouldn't be used in the 3rd movie. I am not opposed to him being in a movie, just not the third one. I have said them over and over again and I am geting a little tired of it. If ceratin Venom fans want him in a movie, no matter what anyone says will change their mind.

If Sam Raimi himself came onto this board and gave reasons, Venom fans will still not accept it and give their own versions of brining Venom into this movie. At the end of the day, it ain't going to happen yet, people have to learn to deal with it and not clutter up this board with the 97878378376833rd Vemon for SM3 thread.

[American_Hobo]

LMFAO!!! :D

Dude, I have tried using the reasons I believe why Venom shouldn't be used in the 3rd movie. I am not opposed to him being in a movie, just not the third one. I have said them over and over again and I am geting a little tired of it. If ceratin Venom fans want him in a movie, no matter what anyone says will change their mind.

If Sam Raimi himself came onto this board and gave reasons, Venom fans will still not accept it and give their own versions of brining Venom into this movie. At the end of the day, it ain't going to happen yet, people have to learn to deal with it and not clutter up this board with the 97878378376833rd Vemon for SM3 thread.
But still you have to know that half of the people want Venom to in it...
Beside, if Venom is in Spiderman3, they will earn more money thatn using other villains.

[OtepApe]

Yes, but like I said in another post the other half of the people don't. Why throw all the big guns out straight away? Save Venom until the franchise is restarted or whatever. They'll make a helluva lot of money anyway, let's just leave Venom until the time is right and the time is not right just yet.

[Hunter Rider]

I'm a Venom fan and we are all going to have to wait for 4 so that the overlong harry arc can be finished,I'm not over the moon about this but raimi has made 2 superb movies imo and i'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[OtepApe]

I'm a Venom fan and we are all going to have to wait for 4 so that the overlong harry arc can be finished,I'm not over the moon about this but raimi has made 2 superb movies imo and i'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.


Chalk up another Venom fan who's being reasonable.

[Spidey-Quad]

S4 may be out too, since Sam sayes he may still be interested in doing 4 now. Perhaps Venom should start on his own first.

[Ace Gunman]

Chalk up another Venom fan who's being reasonable.

I'm being reasonable, but i'm looking at the facts realistically. You're all going around spouting stuff like "He should be in the 4th movie!", well the facts dictate that there isn't going to be a 4th movie. Maybe there will be, but at the current time the chances are slim, and you do know if there is it probably won't be out until 2009 or 2010, right? >.>


EDIT: Well, apparently, the facts are changing. Sam is now saying they want 4 or more, so huh...yay. I still don't want to see GG2 this soon though, really, it's only been one movie since the first one GG was in. I want Harry's story concluded as much as anyone, but I also don't want to rush it.

[American_Hobo]

I'm being reasonable, but i'm looking at the facts realistically. You're all going around spouting stuff like "He should be in the 4th movie!", well the facts dictate that there isn't going to be a 4th movie. Maybe there will be, but at the current time the chances are slim, and you do know if there is it probably won't be out until 2009 or 2010, right? >.>


EDIT: Well, apparently, the facts are changing. Sam is now saying they want 4 or more, so huh...yay. I still don't want to see GG2 this soon though, really, it's only been one movie since the first one GG was in. I want Harry's story concluded as much as anyone, but I also don't want to rush it.
It can also be 2008 if Spiderman3 comes out on 2006

[Hunter Rider]

It can also be 2008 if Spiderman3 comes out on 2006
Sm 3 2007 Sm 4 ????

[GL1]

I don't understand what the big hurry is... Brock is not an overly complicated character... he's VERY emotional and all he needs is sufficient motivation...

The MAIN villain of SM3 could and should be Green Goblin 2, Harry Osborn... The first half of the movie could examine Harry, MJ and Peter's frienships while Brock develops on the side. Four simple scenes: One: echoing JJ's hate for Spider-Man, Two: Losing his job because no one believes his coverage of this mysterious black Spider-Man, Three: Brock gets hit with some black stuff after trying to stop Spidey Four: Losing his new job because black Spider-Man breaks into Oscorp (to get the suit off) while he's on duty (Brock is a big man, he can do security guard work on the side). By spending maybe thirty minutes, MAX on this character (Much of it developing other characters at the same time) you get Brock exactly where he needs to be... The unfolding of Venom can be told in a limited number of scenes as well...

Venom is not hard to do and reflects a dark side of peter, which honestly, is a great foil in any conflict... and Venom can by mysterious and unseen until the final act of the movie as well, an unseen terror to MJ, assulter of Felicia and cause of Aunt May's accident or Peter's loss of a job at the Bugle.

If they were adding Lizard or some other villain, I could see how Venom could be too much for one movie... but MJ, Harry and Peter we all know and they only require a coulpe twsits to make their interactions interesting... Venom can put the movie stylistically and storywise on a whole new level... I think they should do it... It IS a challenge, but it is not only very doable, but the payoff is off the charts...

[American_Hobo]

I don't understand what the big hurry is... Brock is not an overly complicated character... he's VERY emotional and all he needs is sufficient motivation...

The MAIN villain of SM3 could and should be Green Goblin 2, Harry Osborn... The first half of the movie could examine Harry, MJ and Peter's frienships while Brock develops on the side. Four simple scenes: One: echoing JJ's hate for Spider-Man, Two: Losing his job because no one believes his coverage of this mysterious black Spider-Man, Three: Brock gets hit with some black stuff after trying to stop Spidey Four: Losing his new job because black Spider-Man breaks into Oscorp (to get the suit off) while he's on duty (Brock is a big man, he can do security guard work on the side). By spending maybe thirty minutes, MAX on this character (Much of it developing other characters at the same time) you get Brock exactly where he needs to be... The unfolding of Venom can be told in a limited number of scenes as well...

Venom is not hard to do and reflects a dark side of peter, which honestly, is a great foil in any conflict... and Venom can by mysterious and unseen until the final act of the movie as well, an unseen terror to MJ, assulter of Felicia and cause of Aunt May's accident or Peter's loss of a job at the Bugle.

If they were adding Lizard or some other villain, I could see how Venom could be too much for one movie... but MJ, Harry and Peter we all know and they only require a coulpe twsits to make their interactions interesting... Venom can put the movie stylistically and storywise on a whole new level... I think they should do it... It IS a challenge, but it is not only very doable, but the payoff is off the charts...

Venom can be introduced very easily....
All they have to do is have a scene where Brock takes pictures of Spiderman and black costume goes inside him

[Hunter Rider]

Venom can be introduced very easily....
All they have to do is have a scene where Brock takes pictures of Spiderman and black costume goes inside him
I think it needs a bit more than that

[American_Hobo]

I think it needs a bit more than that
Like how?

[Hunter Rider]

Like how?
Well if you read the comics or saw the tv show you know that spidey has to where the black suit first in order for venom to take the shape he does on Brock.

[American_Hobo]

Well if you read the comics or saw the tv show you know that spidey has to where the black suit first in order for venom to take the shape he does on Brock.
Yeah I know but I don't think they REALLY need to make Spiderman wearing the black costume first.....

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah I know but I don't think they REALLY need to make Spiderman wearing the black costume first.....Well i dont see how they can do it right unless spidey wears the suit first as Venom's shape is formed through it.

[American_Hobo]

Well i dont see how they can do it right unless spidey wears the suit first as Venom's shape is formed through it.
Well Brock still hates both Peter Parker and Spiderman because he lost his job by both Peter and Spiderman....

So his hatred can grow to both Parker and Spiderman...

[Hunter Rider]

Well Brock still hates both Peter Parker and Spiderman because he lost his job by both Peter and Spiderman....

So his hatred can grow to both Parker and Spiderman...yeah but venom's phsycological edge on spidey comes from the fact he kows peter is spiderman and also venom's whole appearence rely's on spidey wearing the suit first.

[American_Hobo]

yeah but venom's phsycological edge on spidey comes from the fact he kows peter is spiderman and also venom's whole appearence rely's on spidey wearing the suit first.
So all his strength came from Spiderman?

[Hunter Rider]

So all his strength came from Spiderman?Not entirely,but he knows who spidey is b/c the symbiote was on him and remebers things as its a live creature.He looks the way he does b/c the symbiote was on spidey first and then transfered to eddie who twisted it into the groce shape of venom with his warped personality.

[American_Hobo]

Not entirely,but he knows who spidey is b/c the symbiote was on him and remebers things as its a live creature.He looks the way he does b/c the symbiote was on spidey first and then transfered to eddie who twisted it into the groce shape of venom with his warped personality.
Uh....so alien symbiote has to go to Spiderman first....

[Hunter Rider]

Uh....so alien symbiote has to go to Spiderman first....
Yes.

[Ace Gunman]

So all his strength came from Spiderman?

Not all of it, the symbiote itself is pretty strong, and Eddie Brock is as the comics say "An olympic level athlete", so that adds to his strength. But yes, MOST of Venom's powers come from Spider-Man's DNA. You see, the symbiote has a genetic memory and copies the memories, DNA, and sometimes powers of its hosts into itself, and then whoever wears that symbiote has access to those abilities.

In the case of Venom he got these pwoers from Spidey...He's immune to his spider sense, he shoots webbing (although that webbing is actually concentrated symbiote which dissolves and dies not long after it leaves the main symbiote), his ability to stick to walls (although he could have had that before, but i'll say it's a Spidey power), his basic image, the whole big white Spider thing going on, and most of his strength/speed/agility.

He also has other pwoers, like his symbiote can become any form of clothing he wishes, he can blend into anything (basically become invisible to the naked eye), he can also focus the symbiote into various weapons (IE: He could turn his hand into an axe). Venom however RARELY uses the ability to turn his symbiote into weapony type things, but he has on occasion.

[American_Hobo]

Not all of it, the symbiote itself is pretty strong, and Eddie Brock is as the comics say "An olympic level athlete", so that adds to his strength. But yes, MOST of Venom's powers come from Spider-Man's DNA. You see, the symbiote has a genetic memory and copies the memories, DNA, and sometimes powers of its hosts into itself, and then whoever wears that symbiote has access to those abilities.

In the case of Venom he got these pwoers from Spidey...He's immune to his spider sense, he shoots webbing (although that webbing is actually concentrated symbiote which dissolves and dies not long after it leaves the main symbiote), his ability to stick to walls (although he could have had that before, but i'll say it's a Spidey power), his basic image, the whole big white Spider thing going on, and most of his strength/speed/agility.

He also has other pwoers, like his symbiote can become any form of clothing he wishes, he can blend into anything (basically become invisible to the naked eye), he can also focus the symbiote into various weapons (IE: He could turn his hand into an axe). Venom however RARELY uses the ability to turn his symbiote into weapony type things, but he has on occasion.
Oh damn..Venom is too damn hot!!!!!

[wolverine1981]

k i have a couple questions. first the pic with spidy in the black suit shows that his red suit is showing but just in black. so do u think that is what spidy wanted his suit to look like? also look at his mask. no crazy teeth or big eyes lke he had in the comics. imo i think this is going to be the biggest misconception in comic book movie history, after all isnt that what these directors of these things to best?

[theShape]

why would you bring this thread back from the dead to ask that? doesn;t make any sense...

[Pagrebo]

why would you bring this thread back from the dead to ask that? doesn;t make any sense...

Look at the post count... LOOK AT THE POST COUNT!:D :D :D

Actually, it's kind of cool to go back and read what people were saying about this almost 2 years ago. A couple of people had it nailed.

[theShape]

Look at the post count... LOOK AT THE POST COUNT!:D :D :D

Actually, it's kind of cool to go back and read what people were saying about this almost 2 years ago. A couple of people had it nailed.

it is cool, except it doesn't need to be brought back to life to read it.

silly n00bs...

[Kanon]

Well, at least he used the search function instead of making a new thread :p

[TheCardPlayer]

Well only time will tell as to what fox will do but i guess my point is don't rule out the possibility of seeing both venom and gg2 in sm3;)And two years later..... Yup....you go it right! Congrats!

[theShape]

And two years later..... Yup....you go it right! Congrats!

except he said Fox and not Sony. close, though.