Animals Are Not Ours To Wear

[jaguarr]

I feel this thread really has no porpoise, anymore. Har, har, har! :D

jag

http://www.bridgedeck.org/mmp_htmlcode/mmp_pictures/connection_fast/MSC/Navajo%20Porpoise.jpg

There, that fixes that problem. At least until he gets caught in a tuna net. :o

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

Haha yay :) Except for the tuna net. :o

[Saph]

"With so many wonderful alternatives to wool, fur, and leather, there's simply no need to use animal skins to cover your own skin. For every wool sweater, leather belt or jacket, or bit of fur trim, animals are tortured and mutilated in ways that would make any compassionate person's skin crawl. Sheep, cows, foxes, rabbits, minks, and other animals used for their fleece, fur, or skins feel pain and suffer just like the dogs and cats in our own homes, yet chunks of their flesh are hacked off, they are electrocuted, their necks are snapped, and their throats are slit open, often without any painkillers. Join kind people everywhere and shed your skins-wear only compassionate, animal-free clothing." - PETA

Wearing animal fur is disgusting. :( Here's some more gross information: http://www.furisdead.com/animals.html

I didn't want to post any pictures because they're nauseating.


:)
Man, those cavemen that wore animal skins during the ice age to survive were so evil! :rolleyes:

[C. Lee]

l'll set all your chickens and cows free.So that they will wander out into the roads and get hit by cars and trucks and itenerant skateboarders? :(

[jaguarr]

So that they will wander out into the roads and get hit by cars and trucks and itenerant skateboarders? :(

Or get devoured by predators that will take advantage of their domestication and lack of in-the-wild survival instincts?

jag

[Wilhelm-Scream]

It's like when Sean Hannity's air-headed assistant got pissed that he gave her a live lobster to eat for Christmas so she set it "free" in a fesh water pool in the park, where it died a horrible death. lol "free" of this plane of existence.

[jaguarr]

It's like when Sean Hannity's air-headed assistant got pissed that he gave her a live lobster to eat for Christmas so she set it "free" in a fesh water pool in the park, where it died a horrible death. lol "free" of this plane of existence.

I used to work with a hardcore PETA-psycho who was always going on about letting animals be free. We'd ask her, okay, you set all the animals in shelters, farms and zoo's free. Then what? They most likely aren't equipped to survive in the wild because they've been in captivity since birth or for an extended period of time, which makes them succeptible to predators, diseases and other things that aren't an issue for animals that haven't been held in captivity. They'll most likely die needlessly without human care and protection, regardless of whether they're intended for human consumption or not. She never, EVER had a good answer for that one.

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

You scare me.

[Kritish]

Holly Goodhead obviously hasnt ate enough protein to keep her brain functioning correctly

[psychocheeseman]

whats ur problem with wool.......Sheep don't suffer that much when they get sheared, in fact, in Australia, during the summer, it would hbe cruel to leave them with their woolen coats with the hot sun n all.

I'm all for natural fibres, but the majority of non animal clothing products are sinthetic, and often are made in environmentally unfriendly matters.
i'm all for humanitarian treatment of animals, but i don't think we need to stop using wool!

[jackyll]

I don't, I just think it's sick that we kill things for pleasure.You kill something everyday, most of the time without realizing it.

And is it ok if I wear my animals if they're still alive?

[Holly Goodhead]

'Heirheads' Paris Hilton and Kimberly Stewart Top PETA's Annual 'Worst-Dressed' List
A tacky affinity for fur has landed the following celebrities on PETA's Annual 'Worst-Dressed' List for 2005:

1. Paris Hilton: Now we know what happens to all of Paris Hilton's cast-off pets. And if she keeps on wearing fur and eating at Carl's Jr., she'll be back on the list next year as Star Jones.
http://www.furisdead.com/page/600-parishilton.jpg

2. Kimberly Stewart: What does Kimberly Stewart have in common with the remains of the animals killed for her furs? They're both spoiled rotten. She and best bud Paris are so clueless about animals, they should team up for a new reality show: The Simpletons.
http://www.furisdead.com/page/600-kimstewart.jpg

3. Lisa Gastineau: Her "TV career" is just like the fur she wears—dead on arrival. And how can she expect to nab a hot young hunk if she insists on flaunting that old beaver?
http://www.furisdead.com/page/600-lisagastineau.jpg

4. Victoria Gotti: Gotti's fur coats make her an accessory to murder, and it's a look that goes well with cement shoes. Considering the way she dresses, her show should be called Growing Up Gaudy.
http://www.furisdead.com/page/600-gotti.jpg

5. Tara Reid: It must have been a heck of a party—she woke up wearing Lindsay Lohan's dog! Not only can she not act, she can't dress herself, either.
http://www.furisdead.com/page/600-tarareid.jpg


lol

[Equint77]

ha ha... 2 weeks ago at Fashion week there was enough fur on the streets to cover 5 zoo's. :D

[Carter]

Peta smokes monkey wang

[Holly Goodhead]

Peta smokes monkey wang

keep on fighting the good fight. :up:

[Alpha and Omega]

ha ha... 2 weeks ago at Fashion week there was more fur in the streets than 5 zoo's combined.

Where was your paint E? Not to support the critters and what not boss, but to support mass chaos. :D

[Equint77]

Where was your paint E? Not to support the critters and what not boss, but to support mass chaos. :D

I'm against animal cruelty......but I'll be damned if I complain about some woman wearing elephant skinned jeans.

I love my leather jacket and belt..... no way I'm giving either up. :mad:

[Holly Goodhead]

I'm against animal cruelty......but I'll be damned if I complain about some woman wearing elephant skinned jeans.

I love my leather jacket and belt..... no way I'm giving either up. :mad:

youre against animal cruelty but you dont mind elephants having their flesh skinned.

k. :confused:

[Anguissette1979]

Animal cruelty is bad... but humans have been wearing animals since we developed the tools to kill and skin them :o

[Equint77]

Animal cruelty is bad... but humans have been wearing animals since we developed the tools to kill and skin them :o

I'm against hunting for sport, testing make up on animals, any animal testing... even scientific.

But at the same time I can't worry about someone wearing fox.. I wear leather jackets so if I did say something I'd be a hypocrite.

You just won't ever catch me with a fur coat. :o

[Holly Goodhead]

what makes wearing leather more justifiable than wearing fur? its both animal skin, just different textures.

[Equint77]

whats ur problem with wool.......Sheep don't suffer that much when they get sheared, in fact, in Australia, during the summer, it would hbe cruel to leave them with their woolen coats with the hot sun n all.

I'm all for natural fibres, but the majority of non animal clothing products are sinthetic, and often are made in environmentally unfriendly matters.
i'm all for humanitarian treatment of animals, but i don't think we need to stop using wool!

I've seen them shave wool off the sheep.. it's actually really funny... all the poor sheep do is wail while the clippers strip off their fur.

what's crazy is how they manage to take off the whole coat in a single cut.

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

fumer, c'est dangereux :(

[Holly Goodhead]

banned Super Bowl commercial

http://www.milkgonewild.com/

[Alpha and Omega]

I've seen them shave wool off the sheep.. it's actually really funny... all the poor sheep do is wail while the clippers strip off their fur.

what's crazy is how they manage to take off the whole coat in a single cut.

Ah, but mistakes are made, and lamb-chops are born. :D

what makes wearing leather more justifiable than wearing fur? its both animal skin, just different textures.

Wrong. America is obsessed w/ cute lovable furry creatures. Aligators and Snakes aren't seen as worthy of consideration, though I don't know why. Henceforth, purses, shoes, car interiors, and briefcases made out of the finest nature has to offer.:o

[Equint77]

Ah, but mistakes are made, and lamb-chops are born. :D



I'm amazed I didn't have to pass PETA members during the 7th on 6th Fashion show. :o

[Holly Goodhead]

Ah, but mistakes are made, and lamb-chops are born. :D



Wrong. America is obsessed w/ cute lovable furry creatures. Aligators and Snakes aren't seen as worthy of consideration, though I don't know why. Henceforth, purses, shoes, car interiors, and briefcases made out of the finest nature has to offer.:o

Wrong? the bottom line is its both animal skin. nothing you can say will change that. :)

[Assassin]

wool doesnt harm the animal...infact it helps them in the summer when it is shaved off.

PETA are a bunch of hipocrites, they can all go to hell

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

Ah, but mistakes are made, and lamb-chops are born. :D



Wrong. America is obsessed w/ cute lovable furry creatures. Aligators and Snakes aren't seen as worthy of consideration, though I don't know why. Henceforth, purses, shoes, car interiors, and briefcases made out of the finest nature has to offer.:o
gators aren't nearly as bad as everyone thinks

[Assassin]

PETA use antibotics that were formed after animal testing, but they try to stop further animal testing, they eat meat, but try to stop KFC from breeading fat chickens and the way they kill them. they want them to use gas to painlessly kill them as opose to chopping off their heads.

[Addendum]

Bull**** PETA (http://youtube.com/watch?v=azhTyPrGb2w&search=penn%20and%20teller)

[Equint77]

youre against animal cruelty but you dont mind elephants having their flesh skinned.

k. :confused:

uh yeah.. I don't condone hunting animals for pelts but I can't knock someone for wearing animal skin cause I'd be a hypcrite... mainly because I have a leather jacket, leather belt and leather shoes. :confused:

[Bat Attack]

Meh, the only thing i own that is real leather is a belt.

[Assassin]

Bull**** PETA (http://youtube.com/watch?v=azhTyPrGb2w&search=penn%20and%20teller)

i sthat the penn and teller show? becaus ethey made PETA look like fools:up:

[Alpha and Omega]

Wrong? the bottom line is its both animal skin. nothing you can say will change that. :)

Words are tools of deception and animals skins have the right to serve as my: shoe skin, attache briefcase, car interior and so on.:) Mmkay. :)

Technically, I despise the useless destruction of animals, but I love objectivity, so I don't let it show.:o . . . oops.


I'm against animal cruelty......but I'll be damned if I complain about some woman wearing elephant skinned jeans.

I love my leather jacket and belt..... no way I'm giving either up.

Here, here. I'd drink to that, but it's too early for me.:o I have too many leather items to speak against it. . . you know hypocrisy and what not. . .:o

[Bat Attack]

Come on PETA, come pour some red paint on me!

[Immortalfire]

Hear about Pam Anderson wanting the statue of Col. Sanders to be brought down :rolleyes:

[MakeMineMarvel]

It's tough to take you seriously when your name is a homonym for the best thing to put lamb meat into.

Speaking of which, I'm eating gyros tonight.

[Deuce]

Wait...I've already eaten the alligator...so what am I SUPPOSED to do with the skin?

[Holly Goodhead]

Shove it up your ass. :up: lols

[KingOfDreams]

Fur clothes are definitely avoidable but I think leather is much less so. It's in almost all footwear and in lots of furniture/upholstery.

[Super Kal]

I wear fur every chance I get... :D

[Mr. Credible]

I actually support the use of leather, based on the fact that the cattle are slaughtered and eaten anyways and it would be a waste not to put that leather to use.

:up:

that's pretty much word for word what i was going to say.

[Holly Goodhead]

no one will ever change their ways unless it affects them personally. kind of like gas. out of sight, out of mind.

[Addendum]

I've seen what happens on slaughterhouses.

I still enjoy my steaks.

[punishermax]

I hate how PETA talks about cows, and how they are treated. I work on a dairy farm and from what I can tell, the cows don't mind it. They get fed, they get protection, they get treated when they're sick, and all they have to do is have a milking unit put on them for a couple of minutes, then they're let out into the free stall barn and are free to do what they want for 8 hours until its time to do it all again. About a third of the cows on my farm are friendly cows that half the time act like gigantic dogs. As for any animals other than cows and pigs, I don't know how they're treated but I do know two things.........chicken nuggets rock, and PETA can go **** THEMSELVES!

[ampersand]

I kill small animals so that I can rub their fur all over my body. I throw them out when they start to smell.

[Holly Goodhead]

theres an abundance of intelligence here.

[watsonlives]

If we are truly worried about the suffering of animals, why don't we start a campain to save the most abused of them all... the humble cockroach.

[user123456789]

I want a kitty that never ages and never grows. they are so cute

[Brodie The Wise]

Hahah, Holly gets mad when people make fun of animals.

[Holly Goodhead]

you like to cum in your bellybutton. :confused:

[Brodie The Wise]

i don't like it, i just keep doing it.

[Holly Goodhead]

I want a kitty that never ages and never grows. they are so cute

me too! invent it now. because i said so.:o

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

people put cats in jars and stuff :(

[Holly Goodhead]

that site is fake, it made me really upset. :mad: but yeah, its fake. bonsaikitten.com

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

I want to put you in one of those so you're the shape of a vase. :)

[Holly Goodhead]

i want Kipobe to impregnant me so i can abort the baby and send it in a jar to his house.

[Outsiderzedge]

people put cats in jars and stuff :(

They do more than that (http://catinheat.ytmnsfw.com). ^^;

[Holly Goodhead]

me Fuzz and Outz shouldnt be allowed to all post in the same thread. :(

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

They do more than that (http://catinheat.ytmnsfw.com). ^^;
I don't click on other people's links, I could get a disease.

i want Kipobe to impregnant me so i can abort the baby and send it in a jar to his house. he love you long time

[Batty for Bats!]

I want a kitty that never ages and never grows. they are so cute
LOL! I JUST GOT THAT JOKE AFTER READING IT 4 TIMES:eek::up::up::up:

Edit: maybe i read too much into that joke.....

[Batty for Bats!]

me too! invent it now. because i said so.:o They are already invented. Lets say someone knocks the head in of alittle kitty, then they stuff it. Wa-LA!

[Mentok]

Animals were put on earth to feed us, keep us warm and to entertain us :mad:

[king_of_thehill]

did anyone see last week's Wife Swap and the psycho environmentalist?

Animals taste good and they make me warm, but they cant do that when they're alive. they provide me sustenance and warmth, if its there in front of me, im gonna take it. what are we supposed to do with the animals anyway? if we let them all live, they would overpopulate and destroy the atmosphere, exactly what youre trying to STOP

[KingOfDreams]

Animals taste good and they make me warm, but they cant do that when they're alive. they provide me sustenance and warmth, if its there in front of me, im gonna take it. what are we supposed to do with the animals anyway? if we let them all live, they would overpopulate and destroy the atmosphere, exactly what youre trying to STOP

You're talking about the animals grown on farms, right? Because we intentionally overpopulate to make sure there's enough to go around. If you look at wild populations, they have almost always found ways of balancing out. That's unless humans come in and disrupt this. And I think our use of fossil fuels will do more damage to the atmosphere than a large population of animals. Maybe we are a virus like Agent Smith said in The Matrix. If you think about it, what he said makes sense.

[Billy Bandit]

You're nto allowed to have an intelligent discussion wher you reference the matrix:down:

[Man-Thing]

from:
http://www.bonsaikitten.com/bkmethod.html

Method

At only a few weeks of age, a kitten's bones have not yet hardened and become osseous. They are extremely soft and springy. In fact, if you take a week-old kitten and throw it to the floor, it will actually bounce! We do not recommend that you try this at home. The kitten may bounce under the furniture and be difficult to retrieve, as well as covered in unsightly household dust. However, the flexibility of the kitten's skeleton means that if the bones are gently warped at this early age, they can be molded into any desired shape. At Bonsai Kitten, we achieve this by placing the kitten into a rigid vessel soon after birth, and allowing the young cat to grow out its formative time entirely within this container. The kitten essentially grows into the shape of the vessel! Once the cat is fully developed, it is removed (or the vessel broken to remove it!), producing the lovable, furry pet you've always wanted, but it remains in the shape you've always dreamed of! There is virtually no limit to the eventual shape of your pet.

lol!

[KingOfDreams]

You're nto allowed to have an intelligent discussion wher you reference the matrix:down:

I know it's fiction and I know it's a movie but college professors and philosophers have used it to discuss many topics because everything in the movie is an allegory for something. It's not just a shallow action flick.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matrix#Religion.2Fphilosophy.2Ftheory_of_The_M atrix
http://www.amazon.com/gp/richpub/listmania/fullview/8R9TXVXR1NSI/104-9299716-8847122?%5Fencoding=UTF8
http://www.amazon.com/gp/richpub/listmania/fullview/7XCTY7BQFI13/104-9299716-8847122?%5Fencoding=UTF8

[king_of_thehill]

what about the first half of my post, King?

[KingOfDreams]

The part about Wife Swap? I don't watch "reality" shows.

[king_of_thehill]

about SURVIVING on animals

[Holly Goodhead]

this really has nothing to do with the topic but i cant decide if i like/or hate these shoes. what do all you animal killers think..? yay or nay.

http://www.neimanmarcus.com/products/mp/NMX7710_mp.jpg

[C. Lee]

this really has nothing to do with the topic but i cant decide if i like/or hate these shoes. what do all you animal killers think..? yay or nay.
They're not too good for use on the farm.....you'll get a lot of cow doo doo on your toes.

[Holly Goodhead]

omg:up:

http://www.neimanmarcus.com/products/mp/S3S3185_mp.jpg

??not sure
http://www.neimanmarcus.com/products/mp/NMX3986_mp.jpg

[Holly Goodhead]

nobody will ever take my alligator slingbacks away from me, not even you C. Lee! :mad:

[C. Lee]

nobody will ever take my alligator slingbacks away from me, not even you C. Lee! :mad:
I doubt they would fit me.....big feet you know....wink wink nudge nudge.

[Holly Goodhead]

I doubt they would fit me.....big feet you know....wink wink nudge nudge.

these would be too cute on you.

http://www.neimanmarcus.com/products/mp/NMX8452_mp.jpg

could you die? i could :up:

[Holly Goodhead]

k im done. for now...

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

like the first, don't like the 2nd or 3rd, hate the 4th

and I don't wear heels so...

[Holly Goodhead]

yea i like the first and second. the others can go to hell.

[C. Lee]

these would be too cute on you.

http://www.neimanmarcus.com/products/mp/NMX8452_mp.jpg

could you die? i could :up:
Not enough arch support.

[Addendum]

http://shop.taosmocs.com/media/812cs_lg.jpg

http://www.newbalance.com/cms-service/stream/prodimage?id=242196

I prefer wearing these

[Holly Goodhead]

uh...id hope so. :confused:

[Carter]

I used to have mocassins, they rocked

[Holly Goodhead]

i bet..

[Carter]

What the **** did you just say to me?

[Holly Goodhead]

i bet..

i said this ^

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

unless you're a native(not of new york or some ****) you should be shot for wearing those

[Holly Goodhead]

unless you're a native(not of new york or some ****) you should be shot for wearing those

dont forget scalped, everyone always forgets scalped.

[Carter]

i said this ^

I c

[Carter]

unless you're a native(not of new york or some ****) you should be shot for wearing those

Why? They were comfy

[C. Lee]

dont forget scalped, everyone always forgets scalped.
The French introduced scalping to the native Americans during the French and Indian War of the 1700's.

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

dont forget scalped, everyone always forgets scalped.now I know what to get you for your birthday

Why? They were comfy comfy usually means ugly

[Holly Goodhead]

yeah like overalls are comfy, for pregnant lesbians.

[Carter]

sURE THEY WEERE UGLY, BUT THEY MADE MY FEET FEEL GOOD
mUCH LIKE THE TRANSVESTITE PROSTITUE I HIRED YESTERDAY

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

sURE THEY WEERE UGLY, BUT THEY MADE MY FEET FEEL GOOD
mUCH LIKE THE TRANSVESTITE PROSTITUE I HIRED YESTERDAY
you and your mountain men with the long johns *sigh*

[KingOfDreams]

about SURVIVING on animals

I don't really have a problem with using animals for sustinance...the whole Native American way. In nature there are herbivores and there are carnivores and each has to survive. But as we have it now, it's kind of wasteful, only using certain parts of the animal and discarding all the rest, and then I'm sure tons of the meat that does get used for food is discarded as well. And as far as fur clothing goes, it seems to me that only people who live far North would still need to wear it for a non-fashion reason. Killing something for a fickle concept like fashion is kind of sick.

[Won '08]

Ahhh that Venice person was hilarious.

[Holly Goodhead]

I was Venice.

[Holly Goodhead]

I don't really have a problem with using animals for sustinance...the whole Native American way. In nature there are herbivores and there are carnivores and each has to survive. But as we have it now, it's kind of wasteful, only using certain parts of the animal and discarding all the rest, and then I'm sure tons of the meat that does get used for food is discarded as well. And as far as fur clothing goes, it seems to me that only people who live far North would still need to wear it for a non-fashion reason. Killing something for a fickle concept like fashion is kind of sick.

what are you talking about.

[Holly Goodhead]

bump

[U.S War Machine]

You part of the animal rights group?

[C. Lee]

bump
That anything like the "hump" on a camel's back...cause that stuff makes good bar-b-que.

[jaguarr]

This makes me happy that Fall is right around the corners so I can start wearing my leather again. :up:

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

I know you guys are joking but it's sad how desensitized most Americans have become to animal cruelty.

[C. Lee]

I blame it on FOX news.

[jaguarr]

But I really do like wearing leather? :huh:

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

But I really do like wearing leather? :huh:

jag

I'd like to wear your wifes hide.

[Mr. Thing]

I like my leather jacket. It's nice and cosy in the winter.

[Franklin Richards]

We are cruel to plants all the time. They are a form of life. Should we be prejudice to RNA and not DNA? Are things with faces the only thing we should respect? How about microscopic lifeforms? We kill more lifeforms by eating cheese or washing our bedsheets.

Where does it end? Or should we just accept our place in the scheme of Natural Selection?


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[jaguarr]

I'd like to wear your wifes hide.

People such as yourself that advocate killing of people in grotesque fashion yet decry it as a vile crime when done to animals deserve to wallow in the anguish of their own hypocrisy.

jag

[U.S War Machine]

Tell that to smokey

[Holly Goodhead]

We are cruel to plants all the time. They are a form of life. Should we be prejudice to RNA and not DNA? Are things with faces the only thing we should respect? How about microscopic lifeforms? We kill more lifeforms by eating cheese or washing our bedsheets.

Where does it end? Or should we just accept our place in the scheme of Natural Selection?


:thing: :doom: :thing:

There's a difference between eating something that used to have a heartbeat and eating something that doesn't have a nervous system.

[Holly Goodhead]

People such as yourself that advocate killing of people in grotesque fashion yet decry it as a vile crime when done to animals deserve to wallow in the anguish of their own hypocrisy.

jag

Fight violence with violence.

[jaguarr]

There's a difference between eating something that used to have a heartbeat and eating something that doesn't have a nervous system.

What makes you think plants DON'T have nervous systems or can't feel pain?

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

What makes you think plants DON'T have nervous systems or can't feel pain?

jag

Apparently you failed Biology class.

[Franklin Richards]

What? What is the difference? That we have placed our own personal emotions into it? We anthropomorphize animals but we have no scientific evidence that plants and bacteria don't feel the same things. Some science suggests that plantlife is very much a feeling, living lifeform.

So where does it end? I'll tell you where. It ends with the ego of the human race. We place emotional ties with some animals but not all lifeforms. It makes us feel better to protect a puppy. But the fact of the matter is that puppies are just as much creatures of instinct as a venus flytrap is.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Holly Goodhead]

What? What is the difference? That we have placed our own personal emotions into it? We anthropomorphize animals but we have no scientific evidence that plants and bacteria don't feel the same things. Some science suggests that plantlife is very much a feeling, living lifeform.

So where does it end? I'll tell you where. It ends with the ego of the human race. We place emotional ties with some animals but not all lifeforms. It makes us feel better to protect a puppy. But the fact of the matter is that puppies are just as much creatures of instinct as a venus flytrap is.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

Ingrid Newkirk..is that you?

[C. Lee]

Fight violence with violence.
Kinda like fornicate for celibacy.

[Franklin Richards]

Ingrid Newkirk..is that you?

You got me. Sunnuva *****!


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[jaguarr]

Apparently you failed Biology class.

Apparently you never studied any botany. While plants may not have as complex a nervous system as motile organisms like humans, animals and fish, they do possess sensory structures and nerve fibers. What it may come down to, really, though, is the question of sentiency. No one really knows how sentient plants may or may not be because they function at a level that man hasn't been able to fully understand.

jag

[C. Lee]

Anyone remember the Killer Carrot from Lost In Space?

[Franklin Richards]

Yeah. I ground him into pulp and made a zig zag out of him. I then proceeded to smoke him and his pot brother. It was sweet.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Holly Goodhead]

Apparently you never studied any botany. While plants may not have as complex a nervous system as motile organisms like humans, animals and fish, they do possess sensory structures and nerve fibers. What it may come down to, really, though, is the question of sentiency. No one really knows how sentient plants may or may not be because they function at a level that man hasn't been able to fully understand.

jag

You sound so silly right now.

Plants have no form of a nervous system or a cerebral cortex. Obviously they can react to things like temperature, pH, and light but thats due to chemicals in their stems and leaves.
Plants can't feel pain. Nor can they think, nor could they ever evolve to be able to think. If a plant like thing was capable of movement and thought, then it wouldnt be classified as a plant.

Comprehend?

[Franklin Richards]

What about a Venus Flytrap?


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[celldog]

P.E.T.A.


People
Eating
Tasty
Animals

[JLBats]

I have to side with Holly here. Comparing plants and animals is... well, kinda like comparing apples and oranges.

[Holly Goodhead]

What about a Venus Flytrap?


:thing: :doom: :thing:

They dont have a stomach or anything. I'm pretty sure they only eat insects because of the environment they live in. :huh: Poor soil, so they have to get similar nutriests from insects.

[Franklin Richards]

Because you're prejudice against RNA but not DNA. It's cool. I just find it hypocritical. Let's protect the animals. But **** plants. If you were so saintly that you wanted to save lower lifeforms, you would recognize plants as well.


Of course then all we could eat would be rocks. That's why I say embrace the Circle of Life and have some brisket.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[C. Lee]

I have to side with Holly here. Comparing plants and animals is... well, kinda like comparing apples and oranges.
Lucky me...they all taste good.:)

[Franklin Richards]

They dont have a stomach or anything. I'm pretty sure they only eat insects because of the environment they live in. :huh: Poor soil, so they have to get similar nutriests from insects.

Sounds like a lifeform protecting itself. An instinctual act of survival. A level of intelligence. Just because they have fibers and liquids instead of nerves is no reason to be prejudice against them.


Come on Holly. Hug a tree today.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[jaguarr]

You sound so silly right now.

Plants have no form of a nervous system or a cerebral cortex. Obviously they can react to things like temperature, pH, and light but thats due to chemicals in their stems and leaves.
Plants can't feel pain. Nor can they think, nor could they ever evolve to be able to think. If a plant like thing was capable of movement and thought, then it wouldnt be classified as a plant.

Comprehend?

Did you not read what I wrote? I'm not saying plants have a nervous system just like an animal, but they do have the fundamentals of a TYPE of nervous system, though more primitive than our own. And mobiilty and thought are not necessarily prerequisites of a nervous system. These are issues that are still in the table amongst the scientific commuity and there has been much debate on the topic for years to no conclusive answer, so forgive me if I overlook the biased opinions of a PETA zealot with an agenda and an axe to grind.

jag

[C. Lee]

You sound so silly right now.

Plants have no form of a nervous system or a cerebral cortex. Obviously they can react to things like temperature, pH, and light but thats due to chemicals in their stems and leaves.
Plants can't feel pain. Nor can they think, nor could they ever evolve to be able to think. If a plant like thing was capable of movement and thought, then it wouldnt be classified as a plant.

Comprehend?
Obviously you never watched Howard Hawk's "The Thing From Another World".

[Holly Goodhead]

Did you not read what I wrote? I'm not saying plants have a nervous system just like an animal, but they do have the fundamentals of a TYPE of nervous system, though more primitive than our own. And mobiilty and thought are not necessarily prerequisites of a nervous system. These are issues that are still in the table amongst the scientific commuity and there has been much debate on the topic for years to no conclusive answer, so forgive me if I overlook the biased opinions of a PETA zealot with an agenda and an axe to grind.

jag

I cant believe I'm arguing with a 40+ year old man whether or not plants have emotions. lol

[Holly Goodhead]

Sounds like a lifeform protecting itself. An instinctual act of survival. A level of intelligence. Just because they have fibers and liquids instead of nerves is no reason to be prejudice against them.


Come on Holly. Hug a tree today.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

It's funny how adament you guys are about trying to prove to me that plants could somehow (though impossible) have feelings when it's a proven fact that animals do infact feel pain yet you have no problem killing them.

[JLBats]

Wait, jag is over 40?

lol

[jaguarr]

I cant believe I'm arguing with a 40+ year old man whether or not plants have emotions. lol

You're not, actually. I'm not arguing that plants have emotions, since you either haven't been paying attention or I'm arguing concepts above your grasp, nor am I over 40. :)

jag

[Franklin Richards]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Self%20Portraits/deadvegetable.jpg


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[C. Lee]

It's funny how adament you guys are about trying to prove to me that plants could somehow (though impossible) have feelings when it's a proven fact that animals do infact feel pain yet you have no problem killing them.I didn't say I had no problem killing animals.....most are pretty damn fast and have teeth.....cheaters.

[Holly Goodhead]

You're not, actually. I'm not arguing that plants have emotions, since you either haven't been paying attention or I'm arguing concepts above your grasp, nor am I over 40. :)

jag

They don't feel pain, in any way, shape, or form.
And if you think they do, then super.
Everyone's entitled to their wrong opinion. :up:

[Franklin Richards]

It's funny how adament you guys are about trying to prove to me that plants could somehow (though impossible) have feelings when it's a proven fact that animals do infact feel pain yet you have no problem killing them.


I don't have a problem accepting my role in natural selection. I am at the top of the foodchain and I will eat everything because I am an omnivore. As my biological traits proove. I'm just trying to point out the hypocrisy of selectively choosing certain lifeforms to protect while leaving others alone because it is convenient.

As for me killing plants. See pic above.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[C. Lee]

I cant believe I'm arguing with a 40+ year old man whether or not plants have emotions. lol
I'm the 40+ year old man....Jag is the tatooed jungle god.

[jaguarr]

Everyone's entitled to their wrong opinion. :up:

You're living proof of that. I can't believe your 30+ and still live with your parents.

jag

[Franklin Richards]

They don't feel pain, in any way, shape, or form.
And if you think they do, then super.
Everyone's entitled to their wrong opinion. :up:

All hail Holly! Omniscient and Wise!


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Holly Goodhead]

You're living proof of that. I can't believe your 30+ and still live with your parents.

jag

Despite all ive said here you continue to make a claim that is completely baseless, and not only that, to make a claim as if it was indisputable fact lol
I have presented evidence that plants do not feel pain, now its your turn to present evidence that plants do feel pain, biotch.
Aside from saying that plants have some kind of "magic nervous system" that we cant detect. I dont think there's a shred of plausible evidence to support your argument. :yay:

[Avalanche]

Oh, it's survival of the fittest. The animals would kill and eat us if they could. We're just better at doing it.

[Holly Goodhead]

I don't have a problem accepting my role in natural selection. I am at the top of the foodchain and I will eat everything because I am an omnivore. As my biological traits proove. I'm just trying to point out the hypocrisy of selectively choosing certain lifeforms to protect while leaving others alone because it is convenient.

As for me killing plants. See pic above.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

http://www.duiops.net/seresvivos/galeria/tiburones/Great%20White%20Shark,%20South%20Africa.jpg

[cryptic name]

wow...not only is this stupid thread back, but it's become a debate on the sentience of plants.
anyway, i say we eat all the animals before they eat us...it's only a matter of time.

[C. Lee]

Shark tastes like chicken.

[Mr. Thing]

wow...not only is this stupid thread back, but it's become a debate on the sentience of plants.
anyway, i say we eat all the animals before they eat us...it's only a matter of time.

http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/animals/cows/cow_1.jpg

[Franklin Richards]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/reel-istic975.jpg


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Holly Goodhead]

Oh, it's survival of the fittest. The animals would kill and eat us if they could. We're just better at doing it.

Well when cows can ship us to meat factories, I don't think we'll have to worry about that...
Wild animals react off instict and evolve (or die) over time if theyre food supply is affected.
Humans on the other hand are much more advanced and we're aware we have alternatives yet we're lazy and in the mindset of "if it's broke, don't fix it" while we all die of cancer/heart disease/obesity. :up:

[Franklin Richards]

If you're gonna try to convince me not to eat BBQ then I got news for you.

NO ****ING WAY!!!


You are fighting a hopeless battle. Keep swinging at those windmills, Don Quixote. Dream the impossible dream.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Holly Goodhead]

If you're gonna try to convince me not to eat BBQ then I got news for you.

NO ****ING WAY!!!


You are fighting a hopeless battle. Keep swinging at those windmills, Don Quixote. Dream the impossible dream.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

I dont have to convince you, your cholesterol will do all the talking.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Mako sharks are such Great White wannabes. :down

[Franklin Richards]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Brisket20Sliced205.jpg


MMMMMM... Cholesterol.

<drool>


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[jaguarr]

Despite all ive said here you continue to make a claim that is completely baseless, and not only that, to make a claim as if it was indisputable fact lol
I have presented evidence that plants do not feel pain, now its your turn to present evidence that plants do feel pain, biotch.
Aside from saying that plants have some kind of "magic nervous system" that we cant detect. I dont think there's a shred of plausible evidence to support your argument. :yay:

You haven't presented evidence of anything. We've both represented arguments that the scientific community is divided on to this day. The fact that you state your claims as indisputable fact is just as laughable. I'm merely open to the possibility. Glad you've made up your mind on something even science has not decided on, as of yet.

At any rate, I'm going to name the next cow my folks butcher "Toven", in your honor.

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

You haven't presented evidence of anything. We've both represented arguments that the scientific community is divided on to this day. The fact that you state your claims as indisputable fact is just as laughable. I'm merely open to the possibility. Glad you've made up your mind on something even science has not decided on, as of yet.

At any rate, I'm going to name the next cow my folks butcher "Toven", in your honor.

jag

Ok, lol, when science finds a plant with a brain..then come talk to me.

[C. Lee]

I need to run out to Steak and Shake...yall makin' me hungry.

[Holly Goodhead]

I wish I had a pet Great White. It would be fun to ride around on

[Franklin Richards]

That's what I call my willy!!

Call me.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[jaguarr]

That's what I call my willy!!

Call me.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

What a coincidence, Toven calls her cooter "Jaws". :up:

jag

[Franklin Richards]

We're gonna need a bigger boat.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[cryptic name]

That's what I call my willy!!

Call me.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

:dry:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Ghosts don't have brains but they feel pain. Vegetables may be the corporeal "shell" for spiritual entities.

[The Riddler]

Ghosts don't have brains but they feel pain. Vegetables may be the corporeal "shell" for spiritual entities.
if i hadn't posted in this thread just now, i'd be sure you just killed this thread.

[C. Lee]

Ghosts don't have brains
You calling ghosts stupid? They won't like that.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

yeah, ghosts are stupid and wear outdated fashions.

[cryptic name]

the ghost of christmas past is a bad mutha****er

[The Riddler]

i though ghosts were pale anorexic chicks. :confused:

[Carter]

There's nothing I like more than a slightly bloody steak to sink my teeth into.

[Holly Goodhead]

There's nothing I like more than a slightly bloody steak to sink my teeth into.

I'll sink my teeth into your steak. :cmad:

[cryptic name]

There's nothing I like more than a slightly bloody steak to sink my teeth into.

new york cut. medium rare. heaven

[The Riddler]

animals are ours to eat, wear and sexually assault, though the last one is mostly reserved for the sick people that enjoy it.

[Carter]

I'll sink my teeth into your steak. :cmad:

Tube steak.:up:
No biting

[cryptic name]

animals are ours to eat, wear and sexually assault, though the last one is mostly reserved for the sick people that enjoy it.

don't knock it till you've tried it...

[The Riddler]

don't knock it till you've tried it...
perhaps i'm just self aware of my sickness.

[cryptic name]

perhaps i'm just self aware of my sickness.

touche :up:

[The Riddler]

Jessica Alba and a shark? all this story needs is some tartar sauce! :p

[GoldenAgeHero]

i like my steaks well done, i hate when they undercook it, and you still see blood....blah

[cryptic name]

that's criminal. well done ruins the steak.

[Metamorpho1977]

"With so many wonderful alternatives to wool, fur, and leather, there's simply no need to use animal skins to cover your own skin. For every wool sweater, leather belt or jacket, or bit of fur trim, animals are tortured and mutilated in ways that would make any compassionate person's skin crawl. Sheep, cows, foxes, rabbits, minks, and other animals used for their fleece, fur, or skins feel pain and suffer just like the dogs and cats in our own homes, yet chunks of their flesh are hacked off, they are electrocuted, their necks are snapped, and their throats are slit open, often without any painkillers. Join kind people everywhere and shed your skins-wear only compassionate, animal-free clothing." - PETA

Wearing animal fur is disgusting. :( Here's some more gross information: http://www.furisdead.com/animals.html

I didn't want to post any pictures because they're nauseating.


:)


Yeah, but they taste so good, and they make you feel all tingly when you wear them.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

It's been said a billion times, but it's true.

I love meat, and I have a cool leather jacket.
But I wonder what percentage of people who feel that way would change their minds if they had to slaughter and skin the animals themselves.

I've skinned and explored the organs of a mouse, a frog and an iguana. Fascinating but grosser than a lot of the wusses I know would care to see.

[JLBats]

I've skinned and explored the organs of a mouse, a frog and an iguana.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e9/Batemanas.jpg
"Did you know that I'm utterly insane?"

[jaguarr]

It's been said a billion times, but it's true.

I love meat, and I have a cool leather jacket.
But I wonder what percentage of people who feel that way would change their minds if they had to slaughter and skin the animals themselves.

I've skinned and explored the organs of a mouse, a frog and an iguana. Fascinating but grosser than a lot of the wusses I know would care to see.

Some of it depends on how you're raised, I think. I grew up killing and field-dressing deer, elk, game birds and fish. I also have killed beef cattle that we raised from calves and prepped them for butchering. Would I do it all the time if I had to in order to get meat for the table? Absolutely. There's really no reason to do it myself, now, though, given the time constraints I have with all the other things I need to do in life. That's why people are able to make a career out of specializing in something. I don't build my own furniture, bake my own bread, or construct my own house, even though I know how to, either.

jag

[cryptic name]

It's been said a billion times, but it's true.

I love meat, and I have a cool leather jacket.
But I wonder what percentage of people who feel that way would change their minds if they had to slaughter and skin the animals themselves.

I've skinned and explored the organs of a mouse, a frog and an iguana. Fascinating but grosser than a lot of the wusses I know would care to see.

i've done it before, but if i had to go through all that every time, i would probably eat less meat because i'm very lazy.

[Corinthian™]

I dont have to convince you, your cholesterol will do all the talking.
http://www.dried-flowers-galore.com/flower_pictures/dried_wheat.jpg

http://www.ranchogordo.com/assets/images/cooking/noiplaes1.jpg

that will bring the cholesterol down!:up:

So people, don't forget to eat wheat and nopales(Opuntia).. they taste good and will bring your cholesterol to healthy levels!!!!


And this thread rocks...

[Mr. Walters]

I'm not against wool...the Sheep still are alive afterwards.

I'm not against leather, since the cow the leather has come from is consumed in other ways.

I am not against eating meat. God gave me pointy teeth and a digestive system that is able to digest meat. How could I be so pretentious as to undo God's handy work?

[Corinthian™]

Killer whales also enjoy the sport of killing. Ever seen a pod of them slapping a baby seal back and forth between them like a volleyball?

jag
I love jag:o:)

[The Last Meatbag]

I had to gut a fish and prepare it for cooking when I was ten....kids were throwing up and crying everywhere...


I had to push its poopy out of his fish butt hole :(

[jaguarr]

I love jag:o:)

http://southport.jpl.nasa.gov/polar/icegifs/killwhale.gif

jag

[sassycat]

That poor seal :(

[Cyclops]

I think I shall eat a steak while lounging around in my leather jacket on my leather comforter. While wearing a leather belt.

[Arkady Rossovich]

By now,there is alternatives to fur.So animals do not really need to be killed for their skin today.

[Darthphere]

By now,there is alternatives to fur.So animals do not really need to be killed for their skin today.


Oh no, they do.

[cryptic name]

By now,there is alternatives to fur.So animals do not really need to be killed for their skin today.

yeah, but imitation fur is tacky and cheap.

[AnimeJune]

What? Animals are tortured for WOOL? Skinning I can understand, wool I cannot. It's like getting a haircut - it grows BACK. They had an article in the paper about a year ago about a feral sheep they found in the UK that had wandered off from it's flock. It looked like a crazed chia pet - it's fleece was so thick and long that it couldn't SEE. Sounds like shearing it would be more humane thing, eh?

And I like my filet mignons rare, baby. Mmm mmm, tender Alberta beef. And I like my dining animals young - give me lamb! Give me veal! None of this "I thought you loooooooooved me, looooooooved me" crap.

Besides - I'm ALWAYS suspect of PETA. They're the folks who care more about animals than people - to the point where they hand out mentally-scarring comicbooks full of graphic dead animals pictures to SMALL CHILDREN who accompany their parents to the theatre. Comicbooks with the title: "Your mommy kills animals." Say it with me: Cah-Ray-Zay.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

yeah, but imitation fur is tacky and cheap.It doesn't have any of that yummy Death Energy.

[AnimeJune]

It doesn't have any of that yummy Death Energy.*Homer Simpson* Hmmm....death....*gurgles*

If meat is murder, then murder is delicious.

Read Douglas Adam's Restaurant at the End of the Universe, y'all. In that book, they have cows that live to be eaten, that love to be eaten. That's the kind of cow we should have here.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

i've done it before, but if i had to go through all that every time, i would probably eat less meat because i'm very lazy.This reminds me of a thing some Seventh Day adventists believe.

They believe that you can tell what God intended us to eat by the way it's "packaged".

For instance, an apple, a carrot? You just grab it and eat it. But they say nuts are good for us, but only in moderation. That's why they come in shells, 'cause if you have to shell each nut, you're probably going to eat fewer of them than if you buy a jar of pre-shelled ones where you can just dip your hand in and get another.

So the blood, struggling, screaming, guts full of toxic poo, tendons, fat and necessity of cooking would qualify food animals as "Intentionally Awkwardly Packaged Foods".

Though, it would be pretty easy to slap yourself under a cow and simply suck at it's teats, yet they don't believe in drinking milk. *shryg*

[C. Lee]

Though, it would be pretty easy to slap yourself under a cow and simply suck at it's teats,

I'm no Tom Greene.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Yes. I knew Tom Green. Tom Green was my friend. You sir, are no Tom Green.

[cryptic name]

This reminds me of a thing some Seventh Day adventists believe.

They believe that you can tell what God intended us to eat by the way it's "packaged".

For instance, an apple, a carrot? You just grab it and eat it. But they say nuts are good for us, but only in moderation. That's why they come in shells, 'cause if you have to shell each nut, you're probably going to eat fewer of them than if you buy a jar of pre-shelled ones where you can just dip your hand in and get another.

So the blood, struggling, screaming, guts full of toxic poo, tendons, fat and necessity of cooking would qualify food animals as "Intentionally Awkwardly Packaged Foods".

Though, it would be pretty easy to slap yourself under a cow and simply suck at it's teats, yet they don't believe in drinking milk. *shryg*

that's a good point.

i have a feeling that doing that to a cow would only complicate my life in more ways than one.

[C. Lee]

Yes. I knew Tom Green. Tom Green was my friend. You sir, are no Tom Green.
Dang....that makes me happy!!
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8156/8401437l7vl.gif

[AnimeJune]

that's a good point.

i have a feeling that doing that to a cow would only complicate my life in more ways than one.No kidding - especially if you bought her a couple of drinks first. And you just know that if it ends badly, she's gonna go tellin' all her cud-chewing cow friends how you just couldn't perform.

[Darthphere]

Dang....that makes me happy!!
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8156/8401437l7vl.gif


That never gets old.

[AnimeJune]

Dang....that makes me happy!!
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8156/8401437l7vl.gifHello, kitty! I WANT KITTY!

[C. Lee]

That never gets old.
It brings a smile to this world weary old curmudgeon too.:)

[Sasquatch]

nice dancing puss

[cryptic name]

No kidding - especially if you bought her a couple of drinks first. And you just know that if it ends badly, she's gonna go tellin' all her cud-chewing cow friends how you just couldn't perform.

tell me about it. heartless b***h :(

[AnimeJune]

THIS cat is not happy - not happy at ALL!
http://83.136.68.93/kitler/pics/thumbnails/kitler8.jpg (http://83.136.68.93/cgi-bin/seigboardbest.pl?8:1)
(courtesy of http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com/)

[Sasquatch]

THIS cat is not happy - not happy at ALL!
http://83.136.68.93/kitler/pics/thumbnails/kitler8.jpg (http://83.136.68.93/cgi-bin/seigboardbest.pl?8:1)
(courtesy of http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com/)

LOL! that was awesome

[jaguarr]

That poor seal :(

I wonder what series of squeals and clicks in the Orca language constitutes saying "Heyyyyybattabattabatta....suuhhhwweeennnnnggggbatt tahhhhhhh!"

jag

[Sasquatch]

DOn't orcas know we don't kill baby seals!

[jaguarr]

DOn't orcas know we don't kill baby seals!

I don't think they really care what we do as long as we leave them the hell alone and let them have their Orca Sealball games. I hear in the 7th inning stretch the crowd bounces a seal around, sort of like humans do with those big beachballs in the stadiums.

jag

[AnimeJune]

I wonder what series of squeals and clicks in the Orca language constitutes saying "Heyyyyybattabattabatta....suuhhhwweeennnnnggggbatt tahhhhhhh!"

jagOr what would be translated as: "Hey! Y'know what's funny? If we'd stayed at school we'd be in gym by now."

And "Bueller......Bueller...."

[Holly Goodhead]

The ignorance of people will never cease to amaze me. It's all fun and games, until you have a heart attack. :up:

[Corinthian™]

The ignorance of people will never cease to amaze me. It's all fun and games, until you have a heart attack. :up:
only idiots get heart attacks.. there are ways to eat animal meat and live a healthy life. Just eat things that will lower your cholesterol and other stuff....

I think it's your ignorance that never ceases to amaze me.... But yer blond so I understand

http://www.entreestoexcellence.com/images/PorkChops.jpg

[Corinthian™]

Dang....that makes me happy!!
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8156/8401437l7vl.gif
Smelly cat, smelly cat
What are they feeding you?
Smelly cat, smelly cat
It's not your fault

They won't take you to the vet
You're obviously not their favorite pet
You may not be a bed of roses
And you're no friend to those with noses

Smelly cat, smelly cat
What are they feeding you?
Smelly cat, smelly cat
It's not your fault

[Corinthian™]

http://southport.jpl.nasa.gov/polar/icegifs/killwhale.gif

jag
:csad:


I love you a lot :csad::up:

[Holly Goodhead]

only idiots get heart attacks.. there are ways to eat animal meat and live a healthy life. Just eat things that will lower your cholesterol and other stuff....

I think it's your ignorance that never ceases to amaze me.... But yer blond so I understand

http://www.entreestoexcellence.com/images/PorkChops.jpg

Youre the expert.

[Corinthian™]

Youre the expert.
uhm... meat is not bad... lots o' meat is bad...

[jaguarr]

uhm... meat is not bad... lots o' meat is bad...

Depends on the kind of meat, too. Fish, for example, is an excellent source of Omega fatty acids, which are proven to help keep cholesterol and blood pressure regulated. They're also an excellent source of protein. It's about eating balanced, in the end. Humans are omnivores and meant to eat a wide variety of things to maintain optimal health. Meat is one of those things.

jag

[Kool-Aid]

Venice, are you Kravenous?
Whoever you are, I, for one, understand your sentiments. I'm not a vegitarian, but I've seen animals slaughtered and I"m seriously considering becoming one.


I'm one, have been one for a few years now.:) :up:

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

I believe that the more endangered the animal the better it will taste so I think I'm gonna head to India and shoot me a Manipur Brow-Antlered Deer.

:):up:

[britrogue]

That's a very sick thing to say.

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

I can't wait to sink my teeth into that venison.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

YES THEY ARE!:cmad:


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/ahat.jpg

[8Ball2/JanG5]

That's a very sick thing to say.

He also hates women. He told me so himself.

[GarudA]

I find it unethical to eat or wear animals, that my opinion anyway.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

But why worry about ethics when you can look this good?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/2TailFaith2.jpg

[SLVRSR4]

Have you ever stroked a chinchilla's coat? Softest natural material ever. Too many to make a nice coat though:o

[Shuley]

PETA can go F themselfs...What do you think the primates did way back when? Froze to death cause wearing animal fur is wrong? Hell NO! People have been wearing animal fur for millions of years since they evolution of man, it'll never change. PETA has solgans saying "I'd rather be naked than wear fur" Put that person naked in the North Pole with a fur coat in front of them,watch how fast they put it on. You or the animal? You'd chose yourself.

[redmarvel]

If we domesticate the animals and they are going to be slaughtered for food anyways then we should get the most use out of them that we can. Make their lives more meaningful than just the dinner on your plate.

I am totally against the slaughter of wild animals. We did not do anything to earn that right and modern hunting methods are not really "fair".

[AnimeJune]

YES THEY ARE!:cmad:


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/ahat.jpg:up::up:

Shotgun + cougar parts + taxidermy experience = BEST CATGIRL COSPLAY COSTUME EVAR!

[celldog]

http://www.abrooklynlife.com/images/pigroast.jpg

[TheSumOfGod]

^Bloody hell... I'm not really a vegetarian, but some of this stuff makes me sick. These people have no respect for the dead and for these animals whatsoever. Eating them is one thing, but wearing their freakin' heads as a hat, or cooking them whole on the BBQ is just plain disgusting...

[jaguarr]

:up::up:

Shotgun + cougar parts + taxidermy experience = BEST CATGIRL COSPLAY COSTUME EVAR!

A shotgun would just piss a cougar off, and if you were close enough to use it you were cougar food, anyway.

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

A shotgun would just piss a cougar off, and if you were close enough to use it you were cougar food, anyway.

jag

For someone with the name "jaguar" you'd think they would be a little more compassionate towards animals. :huh:

[jaguarr]

For someone with the name "jaguar" you'd think they would be a little more compassionate towards animals. :huh:

Jaguars kill and eat other animals, though. :huh: To be honest, I'm not a big fan of sport or trophy hunting. I understand and have participated in hunting game for food and was taught to use as much of the animal as possible. I was also taught to respect the animal that gave it's life so that we could eat, and never to take more than I needed. Very in line with how the Native Americans viewed hunting, actually. But guys who run around with guns and shoot cougars and bears from 200 yards away like a Vietcong sniper for no other reason than to say they did and have a trophy to mount and stuff, I just don't get that. That's not sporting. It's chicken **** and isn't manly at all. If they want to be manly, take that grizzly bear on with a Swiss Army pocket knife. THEN I'll maybe think they're pretty damn tough. Human greed and the drive to "conquer" are where things start to go awry. You kill it, you eat it, so enjoy all that tough, sinewy, musky bear meat, Jethro. That's how it should be, anyway.

As far as more domesticated animals, the same principles of take only what you need and use all of the animal that you can still apply. I eat only farm-raised beef from my famiy's pastures. No steroids or hormones or even antibiotics if it can be avoided. The butcher we utilize sells the hide to wholesale leather procurers. The bones are used for meal. The organs donated to school science classes. I get chicken breast from a local poultry producer who shares those same philosophies. Same with the eggs I eat. There are ways to be an omnivore and be responsible about it. Humans are very wasteful creatures, unfortunately.

jag

[Wilhelm-Scream]

YES THEY ARE!:cmad:


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/ahat.jpgI just wanted to point out, not only did that very policeman-looking guy make a hat out of that cat, a hat in which he looks silly, but he made it look like a desert kangaroo mouse when it's on display.

[jaguarr]

I just wanted to point out, not only did that very policeman-looking guy make a hat out of that cat, a hat in which he looks silly, but he made it look like a desert kangaroo mouse when it's on display.

And he's ever so much the douche-bag for doing so, too.

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

Jaguars kill and eat other animals, though. :huh: To be honest, I'm not a big fan of sport or trophy hunting. I understand and have participated in hunting game for food and was taught to use as much of the animal as possible. I was also taught to respect the animal that gave it's life so that we could eat, and never to take more than I needed. Very in line with how the Native Americans viewed hunting, actually. But guys who run around with guns and shoot cougars and bears from 200 yards away like a Vietcong sniper for no other reason than to say they did and have a trophy to mount and stuff, I just don't get that. That's not sporting. It's chicken **** and isn't manly at all. If they want to be manly, take that grizzly bear on with a Swiss Army pocket knife. THEN I'll maybe think they're pretty damn tough. Human greed and the drive to "conquer" are where things start to go awry. You kill it, you eat it, so enjoy all that tough, sinewy, musky bear meat, Jethro. That's how it should be, anyway.

As far as more domesticated animals, the same principles of take only what you need and use all of the animal that you can still apply. I eat only farm-raised beef from my famiy's pastures. No steroids or hormones or even antibiotics if it can be avoided. The butcher we utilize sells the hide to wholesale leather procurers. The bones are used for meal. The organs donated to school science classes. I get chicken breast from a local poultry producer who shares those same philosophies. Same with the eggs I eat. There are ways to be an omnivore and be responsible about it. Humans are very wasteful creatures, unfortunately.

jag

Humans arent wild animals, and we don't need to kill animals to eat. That's the bottom line of my point. However, I know people will never change their ways unless something traumatic happens that affects them (mass spread of Mad Cow, or Avian Flu whatever). So cross your fingers!

[Darthphere]

Looks delicious.

[jaguarr]

Humans arent wild animals, and we don't need to kill animals to eat. That's the bottom line of my point. However, I know people will never change their ways unless something traumatic happens that affects them (mass spread of Mad Cow, or Avian Flu whatever). So cross your fingers!

No, we don't need to kill wild animals to survive anymore because we can RAISE our own animals for food, which is why I quit hunting quite awhile ago (I do still enjoy fishing, though). I am much closer to the whole process of raising animals with the intention of using them as a food source than most people are, however.

jag

[AnimeJune]

And he's ever so much the douche-bag for doing so, too.

jagYeah, you're right. In what place could he possibly wear that hat without getting laughed at? Charlton Heston's birthday party?

To me, cougars are good for only one thing - teaching people to drive.

"Control your heartrate, son!"
"I can't! THERE'S A FREAKIN' COUGAR ON ME!"

[Holly Goodhead]

No, we don't need to kill wild animals to survive anymore because we can RAISE our own animals for food, which is why I quit hunting quite awhile ago (I do still enjoy fishing, though). I am much closer to the whole process of raising animals with the intention of using them as a food source than most people are, however.

jag

I just cant kill something that has a face and eyes to plead with me.

[Holly Goodhead]

Maybe if I put a blindfold on them...

[AnimeJune]

I just cant kill something that has a face and eyes to plead with me.How do they plead? They're not sentient. That's part of the reason why I've never been against fur or meat - we're all animals, sure, but our entire lives aren't governed by instincts.

Besides - the way cows and such animals are domesticated now, we can't just left them roam free in the wild anymore, they'd have no idea how to live. And, economically, why should we pay to take care of them if we're not getting something (milk, leather, meat) back?