Who in DBZ could beat who in Marvel/DC?

[ss4goku53]

Here is a little switch up....who in DBZ can beat heros in marvel/dc....any DBZ fighter vs any other superhero....lets here it

[Goldenage Batman]

Ok I'll be the first to say Tien vs Iron Fist.

[presenttrunks]

Okay, here we go again. The fight I would wanna see is FutureTrunks against Iron Man. Since he hates droids this can be a very interesting story.

[Goldenage Batman]

Maybe a fight between ultron and F.Trunks would be better.

[Goldenage Batman]

here is a few.. .
King Piccolo vs Hulk
Tien vs Iron Fist
Krillin vs Spiderman
S.Kai vs Dr.Doom
Magneto vs Radizt

[presenttrunks]

No because thats boring, he is a robot. Iron Man is not thats what makes the story better get it. Trunks will have no idea about this since Iron Man will not take off his helmet for anyone, not even SS4's mom.

[presenttrunks]

That list was whack except for the Magneto vs Radizt. And Krillin? Come on he will lose to my grandma.

[Goldenage Batman]

Can your Grandma cut through a moutian?

[ss4goku53]

spiderman would become two pieces after Krillin uses his destructo disc
Raditz would just walk up to magneto and punch his face in
Tien would get hit by iron fist and realize it doesn't hurt and give him a Tri beam for good measure
I don't think King Piccolo would win againd the hulk
and not sure about the dr. doom fight

[ss4goku53]

krillin is the second strongest human on earth.....so not really whack if you think about it

[presenttrunks]

First off Spiderman will dodge the Destructo Disc with his spider senses. Second, you spelled against wrong. Third, your right about the other ones, I agree with you on that.

[presenttrunks]

Super: When you meet my grandma you will agree with me bro.

[ss4goku53]

First off Spiderman will dodge the Destructo Disc with his spider senses. Second, you spelled against wrong. Third, your right about the other ones, I agree with you on that.

1) i won't respond to the spelling comment
2) his spidey senses won't help.....the disc won't be a punch of a rock thrown by some normal person.....it's going faster than he can react too
3) Iron man would take his mask off for my mom

[presenttrunks]

SS4: Who is the first? And don't say your mom, Dawg!

[Goldenage Batman]

I'm for Spidey in that fight....although I think Krillin is the #$%^....

[presenttrunks]

See SS4 even a Saiyan has agreed with me on this battle.

[ss4goku53]

there is no way spidey is quick enough.....and no way strong enough....if you think so provide evidence

[presenttrunks]

By the way he is not the @#%& but he is funny @#%&:hellboy: I'm for Spidey in that fight....although I think Krillin is the #$%^....

[presenttrunks]

Okay, how many times has Spidey dodge all kinds of fast stuff in the comic books because of his senses? Don't you think he will dodge this SS4? It don't look any faster than Shockers Rays, Dawg!

[ss4goku53]

they are faster than shockers rays and they don't just go straight.....it will go where and how fast Krillin wants it to......can't dodge something when it will follow which way you side step too

[Goldenage Batman]

Spidey may not be fast enough or strong enough.....but he would find away...It's Spiderman dude....:spidey:

[ss4goku53]

he is outclassed in everyway.....the only thing he has is his book smarts and that won't help him

[Goldenage Batman]

Spiderman would be the only guy from Marvel that I think would be able to bet a DBZ character...

[presenttrunks]

Thats true but Spidey is fast and can jump far. Also, he will move in time to dodge and let that thing hit something else. Krillin will then cry and say, "Why Does these things always happen to me?" Haha! they are faster than shockers rays and they don't just go straight.....it will go where and how fast Krillin wants it to......can't dodge something when it will follow which way you side step too

[presenttrunks]

That true Super he is smarter and like you said, "Thats Peter Parker Baby!" Spiderman would be the only guy from Marvel thought I think would be able to bet a DBZ character...

[ss4goku53]

Thats true but Spidey is fast and can jump far. Also, he will move in time to dodge and let that thing hit something else. Krillin will then cry and say, "Why Does these things always happen to me?" Haha!

fast and jump far mean nothing.....krillin will just keep the disc following him (if somehow he did dodge it) until he gets tired and slice.

[presenttrunks]

One confrontatation with krillin and he will find a way with his smarts to beat him. Nuff said.he is outclassed in everyway.....the only thing he has is his book smarts and that won't help him

[Goldenage Batman]

But PT krillin isn't some shove off....Like SS4 said he is the second strongest human on earth...that's a nice title to have...

[presenttrunks]

Yeah that is a nice title, but compare to Spidey? I'm sorry man but Spidey is faster, smarter, better disguise, and cool ass hell!But PT krillin isn't some shove off....Like SS4 said he is the second strongest human on earth...that's a nice title to have...

[Elijya]

Okay, how many times has Spidey dodge all kinds of fast stuff in the comic books because of his senses? Don't you think he will dodge this SS4? It don't look any faster than Shockers Rays, Dawg!

considering that at the very begining of DBZ, when everyone's ower levels were ****, they were having fights faster than the eye could seem imagine how much faster everyone is now taht they're stronger. spidey wouldn't be able to dodge

[Goldenage Batman]

Well it was fun but I must be going....til the next moring sun comes....see ya tomorrow....

[ss4goku53]

considering that at the very begining of DBZ, when everyone's ower levels were ****, they were having fights faster than the eye could seem imagine how much faster everyone is now taht they're stronger. spidey wouldn't be able to dodge

Thank you

[presenttrunks]

The truth what powers would you rather have? Destructo or Web swinging from building to building and always getting the girl unlike Krillin over there.

[ss4goku53]

that's a hard one...swinging or flying..........FLYING!!!!!!!!!

[ss4goku53]

and if it was webs to destructo disc.......DESTRUCTO DISC!!!!!!

[presenttrunks]

Thats true but Krillin is never in one of those battles. If you would have said, Vegeta, Goku, Gohan, Trunks, etc... then Spidey would be dead meat.considering that at the very begining of DBZ, when everyone's ower levels were ****, they were having fights faster than the eye could seem imagine how much faster everyone is now taht they're stronger. spidey wouldn't be able to dodge

[Elijya]

who said it was a "cool factor" contest? yeah, swinging like spider-man would be fun, but honestly Id much rather fly at super sonic speeds and be able to level cities, if not planets

[ss4goku53]

In dragonball they were using the after-image technique.....so there's no contest

[presenttrunks]

So, in other words you dont wanna save people but destroy planets, yeah psycho.who said it was a "cool factor" contest? yeah, swinging like spider-man would be fun, but honestly Id much rather fly at super sonic speeds and be able to level cities, if not planets

[presenttrunks]

Okay, since Spidey and Krillin have been talked about who else?

[Elijya]

So, in other words you dont wanna save people but destroy planets, yeah psycho.

I said "be able to", ****tard

[ss4goku53]

Olibu vs. Rhino

[presenttrunks]

Okay, I take it back but still you freaked me out haha! j/kI said "be able to", ****tard

[presenttrunks]

Okay, that guy would be crushed by Thanos SS4

[presenttrunks]

Rhino would be crushed, but Thanos can even be a match for Goku himself.

[presenttrunks]

Without the Spirit Bomb.

[ss4goku53]

just by looking at his strength we know that being about to lift 100tons is not enough to do **** against Olibu........

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Bring this into the Marvel threads and see what type of reaction you get.

SS4, by saying "I won't respond to the spelling comment"....you just did.

[presenttrunks]

Hey! This is a post for something else if you want some attention start your own thread, Guyver fan!what about greatest team-up?

[presenttrunks]

Bring this into the Marvel threads and see what type of reaction you get.

SS4, by saying "I won't respond to the spelling comment"....you just did. Lol that was funny, but if you wanna talk Marvel and DBZ this is fine here.

[presenttrunks]

They can't bring it into the other boards because they would get shouted down. This is their world. I suggest that they should stay in it.Okay, me and SS4 are going to Marvel thread now look for us there. We will post up the same thread as here.

[ss4goku53]

your on. DBZ fanboy.
next we will hit the guyver boards too.............

[ss4goku53]

Buu would be able to beat just about anyone as well from Marvel or DC.......can't beat him by punching him so what are you gonna do?

[Elijya]

Buu would be able to beat just about anyone as well from Marvel or DC.......can't beat him by punching him so what are you gonna do?


erase him from existence via ultimate nullifier or infinty gauntlet

[ss4goku53]

i'll have to look those two things up.......

[ss4goku53]

Originally Posted by Spike_x1
Dammit! You're everywhere I post!

DBZ is the embodiment of the reason why DC had the Crisis! They're too damn powerful!

couldn't have said it better myself...........

[ss4goku53]

Quote:
Originally Posted by krisboyuk
DBZ is ridiculous in power level. Goku could destroy the entire universe with one pinkie. There is no one that could live with him in the DCU.


I'll take that as a Goku wins.......

[ss4goku53]

I went to the Marvel and DC boards to see what i could find out from their die hard fans.......this is what i came up with......Marvel said go to DC, they are more powerful and the only ones from us are the cosmic beings that could stand a chance......DC said DBZ has too much power for us.......I also found out that superman isn't as super as i thought......according to many websites that i saw and people's posts, Thor and others can beat him.....

[ss4goku53]

there are still those who will never ever say that DBZ would win and that's to be expected.......but when it comes down to it the power Goku has is unmatched

[crusadingkal]

superman can not die from anything except kryptonite

[crusadingkal]

he is really super. watch smallville....

[Goldenage Batman]

:rolleyes: I don't want to sound like a jerk......but.......Please tell us that you don't get all of your Sman knowledge from Smallville....I know some stuff about Clark...but it's from the comics.....

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I went to the Marvel and DC boards to see what i could find out from their die hard fans.......this is what i came up with......Marvel said go to DC, they are more powerful and the only ones from us are the cosmic beings that could stand a chance......DC said DBZ has too much power for us.......I also found out that superman isn't as super as i thought......according to many websites that i saw and people's posts, Thor and others can beat him.....

Superman's powers has it's limitations as do most great characters. If you have a being that can blow up a planet with a fart he becomes boring because he's essentially unstoppable. Superman VS Doomsday was such a good match because no matter how bad Superman got beat around, he kept getting up and coming back for more....THAT'S a hero. The problem with DBZ is that the creators made them ridiculous in power and abilities. The writers of Superman are constantly coming up with ideas to keep Superman 'Super' but also keep him 'realistic' and 'relatable'. The creators of DBZ seem to me like the people that sat around and said "Ok my character is indestructible and can't die!".....thus making a completely unrelatable, ridiculous character.

Superman is so popular because people look to him as a symbol of hope. They relate to him because he represents the good in all of us. I'm sorry but when I see someone hold up a building by pressing on it's WINDOW I tend to think it's a tad overdoing it.

I love how SS4 keeps saying "well you can't punch Buu so he'd be unstoppable"....uhhh not ever hero only throws punches. They call him SUPERMAN for a reason....heat vision, super speed, freeze breath...any of that ring a bell? Thor would shove his hammer up Buu's ass, Silver Surfer would smack them around with his board, and Galactus would step on them.

DBZ is completely ridiculous in the sense that it's always "oh yeah well Buu can't be hurt".....ok so if I made a character and said "no one can beat him" does that automatically make him superior to everyone in DC and Marvel?

Superman could kick Thor's ass. He is prone to magic, but he's come out against it MANY times. I suggest some of you pick up the new Jim Lee Superman books....he confronts these enormous elemental 'monsters'. He tells them that no matter how many people they kill, or how many cities they destroy he'll keep coming after them. He'll destroy the planet himself so it's only him and them left, and they'll have nowhere to hide....they turn and ran.

As 'out there' as comic characters are, at least the writers try to bring them down to some sense of reality. Superman may be god-like but he's a character that most people can relate to....what the hell does DBZ have? ridiculous powers, bad hair, and horrible costumes.

GL corps would squash DBZ...

[Nightwalker69]

don't you guys think that gokus origin and supermans origin sound a lot alike.

[ss4goku53]

they are similar but there are some good differences as well.........

[0neDisturbedSOB]

don't you guys think that gokus origin and supermans origin sound a lot alike.

Superman's origin story always striked me as similar to Christ's....I think the creators planned it that way.

I think the creators of DBZ 'borrowed' elements of Superman's origins and used them for Goku's.

[superhater]

Superman's powers has it's limitations as do most great characters. If you have a being that can blow up a planet with a fart he becomes boring because he's essentially unstoppable. Superman VS Doomsday was such a good match because no matter how bad Superman got beat around, he kept getting up and coming back for more....THAT'S a hero. The problem with DBZ is that the creators made them ridiculous in power and abilities. The writers of Superman are constantly coming up with ideas to keep Superman 'Super' but also keep him 'realistic' and 'relatable'. The creators of DBZ seem to me like the people that sat around and said "Ok my character is indestructible and can't die!".....thus making a completely unrelatable, ridiculous character.

Superman is so popular because people look to him as a symbol of hope. They relate to him because he represents the good in all of us. I'm sorry but when I see someone hold up a building by pressing on it's WINDOW I tend to think it's a tad overdoing it.

I love how SS4 keeps saying "well you can't punch Buu so he'd be unstoppable"....uhhh not ever hero only throws punches. They call him SUPERMAN for a reason....heat vision, super speed, freeze breath...any of that ring a bell? Thor would shove his hammer up Buu's ass, Silver Surfer would smack them around with his board, and Galactus would step on them.

DBZ is completely ridiculous in the sense that it's always "oh yeah well Buu can't be hurt".....ok so if I made a character and said "no one can beat him" does that automatically make him superior to everyone in DC and Marvel?

Superman could kick Thor's ass. He is prone to magic, but he's come out against it MANY times. I suggest some of you pick up the new Jim Lee Superman books....he confronts these enormous elemental 'monsters'. He tells them that no matter how many people they kill, or how many cities they destroy he'll keep coming after them. He'll destroy the planet himself so it's only him and them left, and they'll have nowhere to hide....they turn and ran.

As 'out there' as comic characters are, at least the writers try to bring them down to some sense of reality. Superman may be god-like but he's a character that most people can relate to....what the hell does DBZ have? ridiculous powers, bad hair, and horrible costumes.

GL corps would squash DBZ...

Superman is gay.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Superman is gay.

Ahh the sad attempts of someone trying to be funny, not even an original comment either.

[superhater]

Ahh the sad attempts of someone trying to be funny, not even an original comment either.

I wasn't trying to be funny. I seriously have this grudge against superman. I can't stand that bastard.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Well at least you expressed it in a valid way....good job

[superhater]

And since when couldn't DBZ characters die. They die quite a few times. What all SOB said about DBZ characters being too strong, the same can be said about superman.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Uh WRONG. Superman has been powerd down A LOT in the last few years. There is no way Superman could blow up the planet with a thought, or any of that crap. Once you get into that sort of thing it because a little too much to swallow. Superman has limitations, he has weaknesses...kryptonite, magic and his humanity and compassion for people. As powerful as Superman is he is a much more relatable character than Goku....the guy turns into a pink monkey I mean come on!

I don't recall Superman holding up a building by pressing against it's windows...gimme a break. DBZ characters are probably the most ridiculously overpowerd characters around but then again it is anime and everything in anime is over the top....just look at their hair.

[superhater]

Right it is over the top anime, so why the hell are you complaining about them being ridiculously overpowered. And it really doesn't matter how powered down superman gets he is still that much stronger than the rest of DC. If he's supposed to be vunerable to magic, then why didn't Thor beat him in JLA/Avengers? That my friend is ridiclously overpowered. Every time a new series starts in DBZ the villian is way stronger than Goku.

[Superbot400]

Cosmic Spidey PWNS Krillin,

Comic vs DBZ wars never has a true winner so sit back and watch

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Right it is over the top anime, so why the hell are you complaining about them being ridiculously overpowered. And it really doesn't matter how powered down superman gets he is still that much stronger than the rest of DC. If he's supposed to be vunerable to magic, then why didn't Thor beat him in JLA/Avengers? That my friend is ridiclously overpowered. Every time a new series starts in DBZ the villian is way stronger than Goku.

Just because magic COULD beat him doesn't mean it always WILL. If that were true than any 2 bit magician could take him out. Seriously man you should learn about practicality, just because something has the potential to do harm to you doesn't mean it's automatically going to defeat you every time. How many times has Superman gone up against a kryptonite powered junkie? it's called using your head....seems a bit 'alien' to you.

Superman is SUPPOSED to be the strongest person in the DCU that's the way they made him. GL may wield the most powerful weapon in the universe but it doesn't mean he knows how to use it to his full extent....thus leaving himself open to people like Superman or even Batman.

Do you even know anything about Superman or are you just rambling off a ton of BS? I'd say it has to be the later.

[ss4goku53]

only gonna post this once.....first) yes he has a tail and gets red (not pink) fur at SSJ4 because he is from another planet so it's okay because who knows what things happen to people on other planets.......second) you keep using the window thing....just because he was drawn over a window to hold the building doesn't mean anything....im sure if he wasn't on the window and was on another part of the building it would still crumble at that point seeing that all the pressure is right there holding it up......it's anime.....not real so you can't look into it that closely.....third) fights in the DBZ universe aren't point your finger at the bad guy and boom they are gone....they are big fights where they knock the crap out of eachother and Goku keeps coming back for more......fourth) goku doesn't have a real weakness other than being not as strong as the villian which people can relate to seeing how he has to work on getting better to meet the goal....an everyday life thing

[superhater]

What the hell are you talking about SOB? What's the point of having a weakness when you just blow right past who ever using your weakness to their advantage. Goku has been in a near death situation, and sometimes actual death, in all of the sagas. And lets refrain from the name calling, and disrespect. This should be a friendly debate SOB.

[Elijya]

hey, didn't superman used to move planets around back in the day? oh yeah, he did. Who's over the top again? I think flying into a planet and pushing it, and the planet remains perfectly fine without earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes, and all the other crazy crap that would go along with it, is a BIT more out there then holding a building up where the animators accidently drew him hold ing it by the window

oh, and if you're about to tell me that was back in teh golden age, the JLA moved the earth in the Obsidian Age, and that was only, like, 2 years ago

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Yes back in the day the writers were pushing Superman's powers over into DBZ territory...it was ridiculous. NOW he has been brought down to a level where he is more "believable". He doesn't move planets, he can't turn back time by flying around the planet, he can't ressurect the dead...etc, but he is still Superman.

Goku doesn't have any real weaknesses except for not being as strong as his opponent?? oh ok that sounds real "grounded" to me. It's just another example of the creators sitting around saying "ok this Goku guy has NO weaknesses, and he always wins...he's un beatable". Superman has Kryptonite and magic as two MAIN weaknesses. The very fact that he gave Batman that kryptonite ring "just incase" means he knows he's not perfect and if he ever was turned against humanity there would have to be a way to stop him....follow?

Some of these DBZ characters can blow up a planet by just pointing at, or thinking about it (or so SS4 has told me many times before)....you don't think that's a tad overdoing it? I can understand stacking the odds against the good guy, but that's just plain absurd.

Superman doesn't just blow right past his enemies. If you've read any current issue of Superman you'd see that he's constantly getting knocked around, in one issue his powers were stripped and he was shot point blank in the chest...he was rushed to the ER where he was revived from a near death state....that sound like blowing past an enemy? how's this...the guy was just some two bit villian with a gun it wasn't Doomsday, Luthor, Braniac or any of those guys.

Read the "Death of Superman" and tell me he blew past Doomsday. He knew he was going to end up dead by the end of this thing, but at that point it didn't matter, all that mattered was stoping Doomsday...tell me that's not some epic s**t right there.

Goku's origin was even knocked off from Superman's.

[ss4goku53]

1) Goku having no weakness is like any normal human.....we don't have weaknesses to kryptonite or anything like that.....we are weaker than others and that is our weakness....2) they have the ability to blow up planets but don't do it because they are trying to protect the earth and other people.....and it's anime and you said it before anime is over the top....that's what it is...3) if superman doesn't blow past his enemies that's his fault....if he is so fast and powerful then he should use that to his advantage....4) Goku always puts his life on the line for the earth without any regrets.....5) there are enough differences between the two origins that you can't say it is a knock off......

[0neDisturbedSOB]

So I guess guns, knives, car accidents, cancer, aids...and all the other fun stuff from life wouldn't count as things human beings are prone to? Last time I checked Goku wasn't prone to gunshots or cancer.

Superman doesn't rush into those things because that would be an ignorant thing to do. Who would run blindly into a fight without at least knowing what they're up against? The Doomsday fight is a good example, he had no idea what the hell he was fighting the only thing he knew was that he was the only one who could stop it. He knew he was going to die but he kept fighting anyways...essentially sacraficing himself to save humanity without a second thought (sound familiar?)

It really boils down to a no contest. You can't take over the top, ridiculously over powered anime characters with no weaknesses and pit them against more 'grounded' characters like Spider-Man or Batman....it's apples and oranges. Now if you want to talk Superman VS Thor that would be a more valid discussion.

[ss4goku53]

we aren't talking about guns and knives (but goku is prone to disease like normal humans....seen during the android saga) since superman isn't affected by those either.....because we can get shot i don't see that as a weakness like kryptonite is to superman......we don't have the durability/strength to not be affected by those things......and the last time i saw heros they all put their life on the line at one time or the other, this isn't a special thing that only superman does

[0neDisturbedSOB]

No, but Superman was the first....you cannot argue that he set the standards for ALL other heroes today. If there was no Superman then most of the heroes today would not exist at all. Superman is the original hero, and the hero that all other characters are gauged by....even Goku. Without Superman Goku would either not exist or be a completely different character all together (especially his origin).

Like it or not, characters like Superman are the foundation for all 'newcomers'. You don't think the creators of DBZ looked at Superman when first coming up with this idea? look at Goku's origin and tell me that's not REALLY close.

In terms of sheer recognition Goku couldn't hold Superman's jock.

[superhater]

SOB you are sounding really stupid man. How much do you even know about DBZ in the first place? You're saying not prone to cancer when he already got a Heart virus and almost died. And just because Superman was the first comic hero don't mean without him there would be no others. Quite frankly I don't care wether or not Goku can hold Superman's jock strap. I don't see how that is relevant to this debate at all.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

And lets refrain from the name calling, and disrespect. This should be a friendly debate SOB.

Boy someone sounds like a bit of a hypocrite now don't they? Guess I'm not the only one sounding stupid huh? Frankly I don't know a lot about DBZ nor do I want to. The times I've watched the show I've either fell asleep or wished I was somewhere else doing ANYTHING other than watching the show. I enjoy the game but that's about as far as my fondness for the material goes.

You on the other hand seem to know dick about Superman, only your biast opinion. How anyone could hold a grudge against ANY fictional character is not only ridiculous, but really, really sad.

As I said before (if you actually read the posts) there is no winner to this debate. It's all subject to your opinion, it's just a bunch of nerds (myself included) that get together to discuss which fiction character could take who in a fight that would never happen. I NEVER said without Superman there would be no other heroes, what I said (again if you'd actually put those reading skills to use) was that without him today's characters would either be completely diffent or non existent. Look at these characters and when they were created, then look at the materials that inspired them....MOST of them at least referenced Superman at one point. Read some books about Comics (not comic books) and tell me Superman isn't responsible for most heroes today.

BTW, aren't you the one going around here calling everything you dislike "gay"? you're either 10yrs old or a complete homophobe....or both. Oh and I wouldn't post messages telling other people to quit calling you names when you're going to turn around and do it because now you look like an ass.

[superhater]

Boy someone sounds like a bit of a hypocrite now don't they? Guess I'm not the only one sounding stupid huh? Frankly I don't know a lot about DBZ nor do I want to. The times I've watched the show I've either fell asleep or wished I was somewhere else doing ANYTHING other than watching the show. I enjoy the game but that's about as far as my fondness for the material goes.

You on the other hand seem to know dick about Superman, only your biast opinion. How anyone could hold a grudge against ANY fictional character is not only ridiculous, but really, really sad.

As I said before (if you actually read the posts) there is no winner to this debate. It's all subject to your opinion, it's just a bunch of nerds (myself included) that get together to discuss which fiction character could take who in a fight that would never happen. I NEVER said without Superman there would be no other heroes, what I said (again if you'd actually put those reading skills to use) was that without him today's characters would either be completely diffent or non existent. Look at these characters and when they were created, then look at the materials that inspired them....MOST of them at least referenced Superman at one point. Read some books about Comics (not comic books) and tell me Superman isn't responsible for most heroes today.

BTW, aren't you the one going around here calling everything you dislike "gay"? you're either 10yrs old or a complete homophobe....or both. Oh and I wouldn't post messages telling other people to quit calling you names when you're going to turn around and do it because now you look like an ass.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH! Damn this is really pissin u off isn't it. Don't tell me about my biased opinion, when you are alot more biased against DBZ. You don't know jack **** about DBZ cuz u don't watch the show, yet u telling us how they are way to strong crushing planets with their pinky and so on and so forth. When u learn something about the show, characters, and the series, then come in here and talk ****. Until then stick to the DC and superman boards fanboy. By the way I ain't gay or 10. :D

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Doesn't piss me off at all. I just find it funny how someone could try to play peacemaker and then make themselves look like a complete tool by doing the very same thing they were asking the other person not to do. I know it's a bit hard to comprehend but someday you'll get it.

Apparently I'm not off when I say that the DBZ characters are over powered. Even the fans think they are but it's anime so what do you expect?

Fanboy? now that's funny....um aren't you posting in the same boards as me? man you must've slept thru the entire "reading comprehension" part in school huh? and by the "I AIN'T gay or 10" I'd say you slept thru the grammar part too....you punctuated AINT?? Christ almighty you are dumb.

[superhater]

you are completely right. I'm sorry. I'm dumb stupid whatever u want to call me. Man this was fun. We should do this again sometime.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Whenever you're up to it.

[Nightwalker69]

dick head

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Boy, that was a well thought out response

[Goldenage Batman]

AHAHAHA.....this is funny..:D

[Nightwalker69]

I know a realy easy fight that would take about 5 seconds and it would be trunks vs spiderman.

[Nightwalker69]

that wouls be a fast fight.

[Guyver X]

no Dragonball Character can beat marvel of dc beacause they suck

[ss4goku53]

really good post there X......that explains it all

[Goldenage Batman]

Finally an answer to the question.....

[ss4goku53]

SS2....I am amazed that none of us figured this one out.....

[brainchild81]

Without the Spirit Bomb.Thanos ain't gonna let Goku gather a spirit bomb

[ss4goku53]

I've checked Thanos out and he isn't all that great.....really weak to DBZ standards

[Goldenage Batman]

Krillin and above can beat all the Marvel and DC characters....Also SS4 i can't get an avatar for my thing at that site....wanted one of Trunks doing Burning Attack....

[brainchild81]

I'm not anti-DBZ like some people are, but if no outsiders can f**k w/them then perhaps they really are overpowered like the anti-DBZ people have said. I think Thanos & SS would @ the very least be a challenge to the DBZ guys. I could see Thanos killing them and then getting rid of the DBalls. He would consider that whole "wish me back" thing as an insult to his girlfriend(Death)

[ss4goku53]

from what i have seen of Thanos he isn't all that powerful......SS2 i will look for one for ya....

[Goldenage Batman]

SS4 I found the one I like....

[ss4goku53]

Cool.....like my new one?

[Goldenage Batman]

:up:....

[REd EyEz]

ya spidey all the way...krillin has 6 dots on his forehead... someone should fight silver surfer that would be good...and i think professor x could pretty much kill anyone if he wanted to

[brainchild81]

Agreed

[DarkHellRider]

you guys really get into these things. also DBZ over the top powers love the show and I like JLA and the comics. Also Thanos would be a good fight. but professor X could kill all the Z fighters except maybe piccolo by taking over their minds and making them fly into the sun or just into space without a suit.

[Guyverjay]

Except he wouldn't do that because he's a good guy

[DarkHellRider]

true but he could if he wanted to. Also Ain't has a puncuation mark look in the dictionary it means is not am not are not.

[Guyverjay]

true but he could if he wanted to. Also Ain't has a puncuation mark look in the dictionary it means is not am not are not.


What?

[Goldenage Batman]

What?


I ain't got no idea what he talken bout either........

[REd EyEz]

what i think he meant was ain't means "is not" or plural "are not"
for example:
trunks ain't gay
plural: cartoons ain't gay

but ain't isn't the kind of word you would use in a formal discussion as it is kinda slangish :rolleyes:

atleast that's what school taught me

[Guyverjay]

But what does that have to do wth what we are talking about at the moment?

[REd EyEz]

absolutely nothing...darhellrider just wanted to point out someone's grammar

[ss4goku53]

so anyway.......let's hear some more match-ups.........

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Just when I thought this thread was dead...

Galactus VS anyone in DBZ....Galactus would kill them with a thought.

[brainchild81]

I could see Doom giving them some serious trouble also. They seem to have problems w/scientists

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I still say Galactus, Silver Surfer, Sentry, Superman, Green Latern, and Professor X would beat the crap out of anyone in the DBZ universe....I don't care how overpowerd those guys are.

[brainchild81]

Ditto for the most part. I'd say Spectre instead of GL & Pre-Crisis Supes.

[Goldenage Batman]

But see guys that's the great thing about the DBZU....All these guys are ready for any challange.....and will come out on top....

[WILLIE1]

But see guys that's the great thing about the DBZU....All these guys are ready for any challange.....and will come out on top....

AND ALWAYS WILL!!!... PERIOD!!!

Take care everyone and I'll catch you all later!

Willie

P.S. SS2 I know you might wanna change your avatar, but the one you got now is still pretty damn cool!

I had now luck with the avatars, but I'll keep looking araound!

Later dude... Take care!

[Goldenage Batman]

Thank ya Willie......

[Super Kal]

no! dont change the avvy... well, on second thought, DO change it. I want that one! :)

[Goldenage Batman]

no! dont change the avvy... well, on second thought, DO change it. I want that one! :)


aw...Me thinks I'm gonna keep it...:p .....

[Super Kal]

oh well... I had to try... it is a cool avatar

[WILLIE1]

I AGREE TOTALY!!!

Later dudes!!!

Willie

[dbzmom]

I have to say SS2 I like your avatar. That one you had a few days ago scared me - especially the caption or title whatever "I'm the real Batman". No offense its just that Trunks is way better!

[Goldenage Batman]

Lol....It was Freddie Mercury from Queen...

[Goldenage Batman]

Anyway...back to the topic......DC/Marvel vs DBZ......

[spider-jide]

Krillin and above can beat all the Marvel and DC characters....Also SS4 i can't get an avatar for my thing at that site....wanted one of Trunks doing Burning Attack....

You must be either joking or your crazy. Franklin Richards can decimate krilin in his sleep.

[brainchild81]

I agree. I think he was letting his DBZ fanboyism get the better of him

[Goldenage Batman]

Naw....Krillin's as strong (if not more) as Superman...so some little kid won't have a chance....

[Goldenage Batman]

Ok lets look at it this way....Just about all DB Characters can blow up planets all day and not go full strength....

[Gogeta ssj4]

And they can also fly around the planet 8 times in thirty seconds and that was only Gotenks. What bout ss4 Gogeta.

You guys jut dont know what your messing with.

[spider-jide]

Naw....Krillin's as strong (if not more) as Superman...so some little kid won't have a chance....

You've never read a comic in your life have you?

[brainchild81]

We're wasting our time Krillin and above can beat all the Marvel and DC characters We can't win against his superior logic:D

[Goldenage Batman]

You've never read a comic in your life have you?

You never watched an episode of DBZ before have ya?....

[Goldenage Batman]

We're wasting our time We can't win against his superior logic:D



HAHAHAHAHHA...That is so funny...cause you are funny....You need to do stand up if you already don't cause you're funny.....I mean how the hell can a Superman not when against someone who can blow up a planet?.....Or How can Superman loose agisnt someone... Who's power level is so high that just by powerup can create a crater a mile wide......Ok lets face facts....Fact#1 the only fact we really need...Superman has a weakness....Goku don't....

[Lobo]

If were just talking about strength, I'd give Superman the edge over Krillin.

[spider-jide]

bloody hell! Felicia Hardy could kill krillin and supersaiyan 2 i've watched all episodes plus movies and even read the comics of dragonball, dragonball z and gt.

[brainchild81]

HAHAHAHAHHA...That is so funny...cause you are funny....You need to do stand up if you already don't cause you're funny.....I mean how the hell can a Superman not when against someone who can blow up a planet?.....Or How can Superman loose agisnt someone... Who's power level is so high that just by powerup can create a crater a mile wide......Ok lets face facts....Fact#1 the only fact we really need...Superman has a weakness....Goku don't....Something tells me that you're a youngster. Your posts aren't clear sometimes. You should edit more. I don't think Supes could beat Goku. @ least not now(post-crisis). but this right here makes you seem like little more than a fanboy.Krillin and above can beat all the Marvel and DC charactersYeah. Krillin would totally cream the Silver Surfer or Darkseid or Thanos or Prof. X. or Franklin Richards or the Spectre or Dr.Fate or Dr.Strange or Gladiator.:confused: DBZ characters are powerful and would most likely beat many from Marvel/DC. But beat all of them? Fanboy logic rules then I guess.

[Goldenage Batman]

:eek: Oh my Goodness....he's smart also...oh what talented devil you are...

[Goldenage Batman]

And as for my age....I'm 17........

[Goldenage Batman]

.Yeah. Krillin would totally cream the Silver Surfer or Darkseid or Thanos or Prof. X. or Franklin Richards or the Spectre or Dr.Fate or Dr.Strange or Gladiator.:confused: DBZ characters are powerful and would most likely beat many from Marvel/DC. But beat all of them? Fanboy logic rules then I guess.



Maybe not Krillin...But Goku Vegeta Piccolo Trunks(Future)and Gohan would come out on top....

[brainchild81]

Against many. But not all. That's what I'm trying to get across.

[Goldenage Batman]

bloody hell! Felicia Hardy could kill krillin and supersaiyan 2 i've watched all episodes plus movies and even read the comics of dragonball, dragonball z and gt.


Well you got me with the Bloddy hell...but done bet ya with the others by.............6 years...

[Goldenage Batman]

Against many. But not all.

No...Dbz has not just great strength...but powerful minds...Piccolo and Vegeta....and Gohan and Trunks....

[Guyver X]

this thread is stupid theirs know point cuz dragonball's overkilled and dc and marvel are not which makes them better and entertaining not like dragonball wher the fight the same guy for like a 1000 episodes and they keep coming back to life all the time its stupid.

[Guyverjay]

this thread is stupid theirs know point cuz dragonball's overkilled and dc and marvel are not which makes them better and entertaining not like dragonball wher the fight the same guy for like a 1000 episodes and they keep coming back to life all the time its stupid.


Thanks for using every cliche of the Dragonball hater, you can leave now:up:

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Ok lets look at it this way....Just about all DB Characters can blow up planets all day and not go full strength....

I can explain that one....

It's because every character in DBZ is ridiculously overpowered and created by people who sat around saying "Ok let's create characters NO ONE can beat".

So if I create a character than can blow up a planet with a mere thought does he automatically win over all DBZ characters?

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Superman has a weakness....Goku don't....

That's why Goku is a flat character and Superman isn't. Superman's weaknesses help the reader relate to him especially since his humanity is his greatest weakness (or strength depending on how you look at it).

A character with no weakness....boy there's an interesting plot line.

[Guyverjay]

Wrong

It was created by ONE guy. And they are NOT over powered in their own universe. Do you really think Torayama thought to himself "yay I'm going create characters that noone in Marvel and DC can beat. Thats will teach them Americans":rolleyes:

Marvel and DC have plenty of character with insane feats. Hell Drax the destoyer ripped a star in half with his bare hands and lets not even start on the Pre crsis era

[brainchild81]

Goku's died before. So he has weaknesses.

[REd EyEz]

Wrong

It was created by ONE guy. And they are NOT over powered in their own universe. Do you really think Torayama thought to himself "yay I'm going create characters that noone in Marvel and DC can beat. Thats will teach them Americans":rolleyes:

Marvel and DC have plenty of character with insane feats. Hell Drax the destoyer ripped a star in half with his bare hands and lets not even start on the Pre crsis era

actually, i really do think that was what torayama was thinking but thats not to say they are explicitly invincible. They just have abilities that came to be as a result of training, meditation, emotional rage, ur basic asian methodologies pertaining to power.

Whereas superman was made practically invincible right off the bat so clearly the reader/viewer can relate to the z fighters more since they prove that hard work pays off in life where superman analogously is the "rich spoiled brat who was handed everything in life"

if u guys get what i mean...

[mafiamaster16]

het red eyez it me travaler8 he got banned s o i made this guy

[Guyverjay]

actually, i really do think that was what torayama was thinking .

*sigh*

[mafiamaster16]

love is like a rose it is sweet an beautiful at first then it gets old an rots away and blows into the wind . like the ashes of the hanuted soilders of the long forgotten wasteland

[Super Kal]

come on guys, do we even need this thread? we all know that Radditz could beat anyone in the Marvel/DC universe. this question is absurd.

[ss4goku53]

come on guys, do we even need this thread? we all know that Radditz could beat anyone in the Marvel/DC universe. this question is absurd.

hahaha...agreed

[WILLIE1]

hahaha...agreed

I SECOND THAT!!!:up: ... DBZ FIGHTERS ARE TOO POWERFUL!!!:rolleyes:

LATER DUDES!!!... TAKE CARE!!!:)

Willie

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Wrong

It was created by ONE guy. And they are NOT over powered in their own universe. Do you really think Torayama thought to himself "yay I'm going create characters that noone in Marvel and DC can beat. Thats will teach them Americans":rolleyes:

Marvel and DC have plenty of character with insane feats. Hell Drax the destoyer ripped a star in half with his bare hands and lets not even start on the Pre crsis era

Yeah something like that. The whole point to creating characters is to set them apart from everything that's already been done....what's a more perfect way to do that than to say "Ok my guys can't be beat by anyone outside their own universe....they're UNBEATABLE!"

[Guyverjay]

But you yourself have already stated that they are NOT unbeatable (mentioning people like Prof X etc) so you're really chatting rubbish and contradicting yourself.

The DB universe does not have vast magical dieties, cosmic gods that create universes, Psychics that can control every mind on the planet, Telekinetics that move planets with their mind, peopel that can fly into stars, control time etc etc like the Dc and Marvel universe has. Your argument is full of holes

[REd EyEz]

ooooo

[0neDisturbedSOB]

But you yourself have already stated that they are NOT unbeatable (mentioning people like Prof X etc) so you're really chatting rubbish and contradicting yourself.

The DB universe does not have vast magical dieties, cosmic gods that create universes, Psychics that can control every mind on the planet, Telekinetics that move planets with their mind, peopel that can fly into stars, control time etc etc like the Dc and Marvel universe has. Your argument is full of holes

It was my OPINION as to who in the Marvel/DC universe could beat who in the DBZ universe. As I stated before...how can either you or I back up our opinion with FACT when we're dealing with FICTIONAL characters?

No you're right. The DBZ universe is full of beings that go around and destroy planets without breaking a sweat...that's much more realistic than what we see in current comics....especially when you add in comments like "Goku has no weaknesses"....I totally see your point there.

I think I just stepped into one of YOUR holes.

[ss4goku53]

They just have abilities that came to be as a result of training, meditation, emotional rage, ur basic asian methodologies pertaining to power.

Whereas superman was made practically invincible right off the bat so clearly the reader/viewer can relate to the z fighters more since they prove that hard work pays off in life where superman analogously is the "rich spoiled brat who was handed everything in life"

if u guys get what i mean...

I get what you mean and agree.......i think it is much more realistic because they had to work to get where they are at.....they were not handed a yellow sun and bam now they have power......they worked for years of their lives....some (Vegeta) every single day of his life to become as powerful as he has.......they don't have weaknesses like kryptonite, but who in real life has a weakness like that? no one does....we all have the same "weakness" as in we have to work hard to become better.....no one is born the best....we all work to try to get there just as the Z fighters did in the show......that relates very much so to real life......

[WILLIE1]

BUT NOT ONLY THAT... THE ABILITIES THAT THE Z FIGHTERS HAD IS ALSO POSSIBLE TO A VERY SMALL EXENT BUT THE AMOUNT OF TRAINING NEEDED FOR THIS IS INCREDIBLE!

YOU WOULD NEED TO TRAIN FROM AT LEAST 5/6 Y.O. TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME OF THE KNOWLEDGE AND STRENGTH THAT THEY POSESSED!!!

DBZ WAS CREATED BECAUSE OF A MAN'S BELEIF OF HUMANS HAVING THE ABILITY TO HAVE PHEONOMINAL POWERS AND STRENGTH, BUT TO MAKE HIS DREAMS INTO A TV SHOW SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE POWER OF BELIEVING IN SOMETHING AND NEVER GIVNG UP ON IT, BUT ALSO PRESENTING IT IN THE WAY HE SEE'S IT THRU HIS EYES!

IF YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY!!!

TAKE CARE DUDES AND I'LL CATCH YOU ALL LATER!

Willie

[REd EyEz]

some (Vegeta) every single day of his life to become as powerful as he has.......

although hes a cartoon character...no one will ever work harder for something than him...even to near death he would keep training and he still never could catch up to goku...thats why hes my favourite z fighter

[WILLIE1]

You're like vegeta in a little way cos like vegeta, you got pride, detrmination, and the hunger to be the best at any cost, but like every human on this earth, we all got our limits the same as i've got mine and vegeta had his no matter how much he trained!!!

it's all good fun though and I find Vegeta to be the one fighter, that you're always looking for to see what he's up to now!!

Anyway Take care dude and I'll catch you later!

Willie

[ss4goku53]

It's all about hard work and determination......not already having the ablilities and powers.......that same mind set can definately be used in real life....

[WILLIE1]

Thats 100% True!!!!... And it doesn't matter in life what you decide to have a go at or wish to prepare yourself for!!!

I'm gonna tell you guys something cos I know that I can trust You!!!

From the age of 9 or 10 I always understood about my fathers illness, (Diabetes) now... My father passed away when I was 2 months away from my 16th birthday, But becuse I have a great general understanding of how life goes for different people... I was the 1 person who stood right in front of my fathers coffin and I didn't once shed a drop and this is becuase I knew that he didn't want to go on having to be a living chemist the last of his days!!!

The bad thing was.. He was only 43 y.o., but I know that other people on this earth, haven't met their parents becuse they've either been adopted or their parent(s) had Died when they were to young to remember And I know that I was lucky to get the years with my father that I did!

[WILLIE1]

In situations like that you learn to grow up very fast!!!

Don't worry though cos it doesn't upset me to talk bout it, but if it upsets anyone at all, then I appologise, but it's the true facts of life which most of you already know!

know that I've gained some wisdom? then it's best to use this knowledge to excell at what YOU want to be in life and if ya get the chance... Grab it with both hands and don't let go cos you most likely won't get that chance again!

Take care everyone!!!... And I'll catch you all later!

Willie

[Guyverjay]

It was my OPINION as to who in the Marvel/DC universe could beat who in the DBZ universe. As I stated before...how can either you or I back up our opinion with FACT when we're dealing with FICTIONAL characters?

No you're right. The DBZ universe is full of beings that go around and destroy planets without breaking a sweat...that's much more realistic than what we see in current comics....especially when you add in comments like "Goku has no weaknesses"....I totally see your point there.

I think I just stepped into one of YOUR holes.


So your STILL contradicting yourself? You can't say on the one hand Torayma (like you actually know the guy personally:rolleyes: ) intentionally created characters that are unbeatable but on the other hand say that are beatable. What are you smoking? I'd like some

As for the second part of your woefully inadequte argument, please don't make me laugh. The DC and Marvel universe are full of ridiculously powerful beings. Even the Silver Surfer can destroy a planet, hell the HULK has destoyed an asteriod twice the size of earth. I previously just pointed out ALL the different powers that the DB universe DOESN'T HAVE, yet you still seem to think universes that have beings like these

1. The Presence
2. The Source
3. Rama Kushna
4. H'ronmeer
5.Meshta
6.Gyges and Garamas (with God power)
7.Great Evil Beast (appeared in an issue in which the Infinity Avengers kinda ripped off if you read it carefully)
8.Spectre at his full potential (omnipotent is unbeatable rather you're omnipresent or omniscient)
9. Mawu (the religious God of Africa shown in Spectre #58 )
10.The Voice (An entity part of the Presence)
11.The Word
12. Wally the God Boy
13. Lucifer Morningstar
14. Archangel Michael
15. The Aleph
16.Decreator
17. The 5th Dimensional Imps (Mr. Mxyzptlk, Bane-Mite, and Thunderbolts)
18. Ultimator, and other races and beings include 4d to 10d
19. ID (A 6th dimensional being created by the Cathexis that could fullfill one's wish. Unlimited Powers)
20. Parallax
21. Ion
22. Uni-Friend
23. Anti-Life Entity
24. Eclipso
25. Mistos
26. Satan
27. Stigmonus Monsieur
28.Galactus
29.Living tribunal
30.Inbetweener
31.Celestials
32 Atum the sun eater/. Demogorge
33.Infinite man
34. Eternity
35. Infintiy
35. Mistress death
36. Lord Chaos and Master Order
37. The beyonder
38. EON
39. Unilord
40. Kubik
41. Ego
42.Anti-Monitor and Monitor
43. Hyperman
44. The Endless
45. Entropy (Krona)
46. Kismet
47.Dominus
48. Oblivion
49. The Kindly Ones
50. Voiceless Gods
51. Mahu
52.Seviram
53. That giant monster Lucifer unleashed to stop Amenadiel's army, and anything Lucifer has faced
54.A
55. King of Tears
56.Shattered Gods
57. Rao, and other gods of Krypton
58. Candlemaker
59.Dorothy Spinner (IMO, imp-like level in which she can create by thinking it)
60. Telephone Avatar
61. Shadowy Mr. Evans
62. Carnivore (Almost took over heaven)
63. Anti-Matter Man
64. Glorith and the original Time Trapper
65. Promethian Giants
66. Millennium Giants
67. Extant
68. Monarch
69. The Seven Deadly Enemy of Man
70. Cosmic Gamblers
71. S'ivaa the Destroyer
72. Brimstone
73. Guardian of the Universe
74. Zamarons
75. Progenitor- This guy created his own galaxy and a whole race
76. Imperiex Prime and Imperiex probes
77. Yuga Khan
78. Nebula Man
79 Franklin Richards
80. Onslaught
81. Phoenix Entity
82.Cytorrak
83. Watoomb
84. Abraxxus
85. The Keeper
86. Walker the death God
87. Agent IF


are less powerful or more realistic in terms of power?

**** I could carry on all bloody day, virtually ALL these guys are capable of destruction on a galactic scale. Some can create and destroy universes at will, Hell some of them ARE universes and please I never said Goku is unbeatable so don't put words in my mouth. If you're going to argue with me, know what you're talking about.

[Odin's Lapdog]

Guyver if you are going to lay the smackdown on somone, please do it in little edible chunks...

Jeez, you're owning skills these days are just without remorse...

:(:(

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I get what you mean and agree.......i think it is much more realistic because they had to work to get where they are at.....they were not handed a yellow sun and bam now they have power......they worked for years of their lives....some (Vegeta) every single day of his life to become as powerful as he has.......they don't have weaknesses like kryptonite, but who in real life has a weakness like that? no one does....we all have the same "weakness" as in we have to work hard to become better.....no one is born the best....we all work to try to get there just as the Z fighters did in the show......that relates very much so to real life......

Just because Superman's power comes from the sun doesn't mean he didn't have to learn (or "train") how to use them. Think of it this way, what good is a gun if you don't know how to use it? if someone handed you a sword and told you to fight an unarmed person do you think you could win simply because you had a weapon? no chances are you'd get your ass kicked because you're relying on your weapon and not your SKILL to get you through the fight.

Superman's powers may come naturally but that doesn't mean his skill did....he had to train himself to pull his punches so he didn't destroy some normal crook he encountered.

Batman's the very essence of training and dedication. He has NO power and is one of the most formidable characters in the DC universe.

Spider-Man had to train to use his powers. He also has to learn how to pull his punches so as to not kill someone he's fighting. He had to learn how to use his spider-sense in order to detect danger and avoid it.

Green Lantern had to learn how to use his ring. The ring didn't just come with a "GL Handbook" that tells you how to use it. The ring can make anything you think of come to life....you think that'd be an easy thing to use? think of all the concentration it takes to hold a THOUGHT in your mind.

So what are you really talking about? I don't see any character that was just handed their power and didn't have to learn or train how to use it.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

So your STILL contradicting yourself? You can't say on the one hand Torayma (like you actually know the guy personally:rolleyes: ) intentionally created characters that are unbeatable but on the other hand say that are beatable. What are you smoking? I'd like some

As for the second part of your woefully inadequte argument, please don't make me laugh. The DC and Marvel universe are full of ridiculously powerful beings. Even the Silver Surfer can destroy a planet, hell the HULK has destoyed an asteriod twice the size of earth. I previously just pointed out ALL the different powers that the DB universe DOESN'T HAVE, yet you still seem to think universes that have beings like these

1. The Presence
2. The Source
3. Rama Kushna
4. H'ronmeer
5.Meshta
6.Gyges and Garamas (with God power)
7.Great Evil Beast (appeared in an issue in which the Infinity Avengers kinda ripped off if you read it carefully)
8.Spectre at his full potential (omnipotent is unbeatable rather you're omnipresent or omniscient)
9. Mawu (the religious God of Africa shown in Spectre #58 )
10.The Voice (An entity part of the Presence)
11.The Word
12. Wally the God Boy
13. Lucifer Morningstar
14. Archangel Michael
15. The Aleph
16.Decreator
17. The 5th Dimensional Imps (Mr. Mxyzptlk, Bane-Mite, and Thunderbolts)
18. Ultimator, and other races and beings include 4d to 10d
19. ID (A 6th dimensional being created by the Cathexis that could fullfill one's wish. Unlimited Powers)
20. Parallax
21. Ion
22. Uni-Friend
23. Anti-Life Entity
24. Eclipso
25. Mistos
26. Satan
27. Stigmonus Monsieur
28.Galactus
29.Living tribunal
30.Inbetweener
31.Celestials
32 Atum the sun eater/. Demogorge
33.Infinite man
34. Eternity
35. Infintiy
35. Mistress death
36. Lord Chaos and Master Order
37. The beyonder
38. EON
39. Unilord
40. Kubik
41. Ego
42.Anti-Monitor and Monitor
43. Hyperman
44. The Endless
45. Entropy (Krona)
46. Kismet
47.Dominus
48. Oblivion
49. The Kindly Ones
50. Voiceless Gods
51. Mahu
52.Seviram
53. That giant monster Lucifer unleashed to stop Amenadiel's army, and anything Lucifer has faced
54.A
55. King of Tears
56.Shattered Gods
57. Rao, and other gods of Krypton
58. Candlemaker
59.Dorothy Spinner (IMO, imp-like level in which she can create by thinking it)
60. Telephone Avatar
61. Shadowy Mr. Evans
62. Carnivore (Almost took over heaven)
63. Anti-Matter Man
64. Glorith and the original Time Trapper
65. Promethian Giants
66. Millennium Giants
67. Extant
68. Monarch
69. The Seven Deadly Enemy of Man
70. Cosmic Gamblers
71. S'ivaa the Destroyer
72. Brimstone
73. Guardian of the Universe
74. Zamarons
75. Progenitor- This guy created his own galaxy and a whole race
76. Imperiex Prime and Imperiex probes
77. Yuga Khan
78. Nebula Man
79 Franklin Richards
80. Onslaught
81. Phoenix Entity
82.Cytorrak
83. Watoomb
84. Abraxxus
85. The Keeper
86. Walker the death God
87. Agent IF


are less powerful or more realistic in terms of power?

**** I could carry on all bloody day, virtually ALL these guys are capable of destruction on a galactic scale. Some can create and destroy universes at will, Hell some of them ARE universes and please I never said Goku is unbeatable so don't put words in my mouth. If you're going to argue with me, know what you're talking about.

I am actually pretty flattered that you'd spend all that time on a single post for me. Never did I say that there aren't some ridiculously overpowered characters in BOTH Marvel and DC. My point was if you're going to cast stones and call characters "ridiculous" then take a look at your own beloved characters.

I'm not a Silver Surfer fan because to me he's not someone you can connect with. I prefer characters like Superman (who's been powered down), Batman, Spider-Man...etc who all have a level of humanity to them.

As far as who could beat who....you're just going to wear yourself out if you think you can honestly sit here and prove to me WITH FACTS that someone in DBZ could beat someone in Marvel/DC....the sad fact is that it's a matter of OPINION....if you think you're honestly going to hit me with some hard facts then I suggest you lighten up and find a new hobby because it's just not going to happen sorry to say. I mean you're dealing with FICTIONAL characters so there is no right or wrong....it's like when people used to debate the "Tyson VS Ali" those are REAL people but we'll never know who really is the better man, so it's all a matter of opinion...see how that works?

But please, continue with these lengthy posts so we can all bare witness to your "owning" skills....

[Guyverjay]

I am actually pretty flattered that you'd spend all that time on a single post for me. Never did I say that there aren't some ridiculously overpowered characters in BOTH Marvel and DC. My point was if you're going to cast stones and call characters "ridiculous" then take a look at your own beloved characters.

I'm not a Silver Surfer fan because to me he's not someone you can connect with. I prefer characters like Superman (who's been powered down), Batman, Spider-Man...etc who all have a level of humanity to them.

As far as who could beat who....you're just going to wear yourself out if you think you can honestly sit here and prove to me WITH FACTS that someone in DBZ could beat someone in Marvel/DC....the sad fact is that it's a matter of OPINION....if you think you're honestly going to hit me with some hard facts then I suggest you lighten up and find a new hobby because it's just not going to happen sorry to say. I mean you're dealing with FICTIONAL characters so there is no right or wrong....it's like when people used to debate the "Tyson VS Ali" those are REAL people but we'll never know who really is the better man, so it's all a matter of opinion...see how that works?

But please, continue with these lengthy posts so we can all bare witness to your "owning" skills....


I find it utterly hilarious how want to argue points that I never even mentioned:D

Its like your arguing with someone else but keep quoting my posts by mistake:D

[REd EyEz]

ya its true it is a matter of opinion and you cant say one universe is overpowered without realizing that so are many others... but for me i dont really care if anyone says dbz is overpowered cuz i just enjoy watching insane fights like goku vs majin vegeta and so on...isnt that what cartoons are all about?unimaginable ways of beating the crap out of someone lol

and in terms of all those ppl you named, for almighty charactes a lot of em sure do have wuss names

[ss4goku53]

you don't have to train to be able to take a bullet to the chest and not die.....you don't have to train to lift a car when you have that kind of strength....this is not a fight with a normal crook so training to "pull back his punches" doesn't matter.....also I am not talking about any of those other heros because of course they have to work and train....THEY ARE HUMAN........superman just had powers.....Goku did not have that kind of power or skill.....he trained his whole life and became one of the strongest and greatest fighters in the universe......

[WILLIE1]

you don't have to train to be able to take a bullet to the chest and not die.....you don't have to train to lift a car when you have that kind of strength....this is not a fight with a normal crook so training to "pull back his punches" doesn't matter.....also I am not talking about any of those other heros because of course they have to work and train....THEY ARE HUMAN........superman just had powers.....Goku did not have that kind of power or skill.....he trained his whole life and became one of the strongest and greatest fighters in the universe......

That's right and a bit of dedication and determination is the best way to improve at anything!

Goku learned this as a child and never forgoten it!

[0neDisturbedSOB]

you don't have to train to be able to take a bullet to the chest and not die.....you don't have to train to lift a car when you have that kind of strength....this is not a fight with a normal crook so training to "pull back his punches" doesn't matter.....also I am not talking about any of those other heros because of course they have to work and train....THEY ARE HUMAN........superman just had powers.....Goku did not have that kind of power or skill.....he trained his whole life and became one of the strongest and greatest fighters in the universe......

Wow It's apparent you know jack s**t about Superman. You have to train to be able to control your strength and LIFT the car off the ground instead of hurling it 100ft in the air. No you don't have to train to be bulletproof but you sure as hell would have to train yourself to use your super hearing, heat vision, super speed and virtually any other powers you would have if you were Superman. Seriously man if you think his powers came with an instruction manual then you're sadly mistaken. It's funny that you talk about training because Clark Kent has to "train" to use his new powers in Smallville...watch the super hearing episode, or the heat vision episode but I'm sure a lot of people would say something like "duh that show sucks, it doesn't count".

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I find it utterly hilarious how want to argue points that I never even mentioned:D

Its like your arguing with someone else but keep quoting my posts by mistake:D

Then at least we share a common bond in laughing at eachother's posts. Reading that LONG ASS post you wrote just showed me you're basically out to stroke your own ego and hone your "owning skills" (gimme a break).

[Gogeta ssj4]

Oh yeah some debate about dbz and marvel d/c this is.

[ss4goku53]

it doesn't matter if he controls his strength in this fight.....why would he considering the opponent......in normal life sure he has to but not during this fight......i didn't say anything about his other powers....just his strength because he just had it....he didn't train in the comic book i read where as a kid he lifted the truck..... the arguement about learning how to lift a car instead of throwing it into the air doesn't matter because he doesn't have to worry about controling his strength .........

[Goldenage Batman]

Ok everyone...Lets Look at the facts...how can Superman ever bet someone with Gokus strenght?............

[Goldenage Batman]

Sorry that's not much facts:o....But I do have 2000 post now:D:o:p

[Guyverjay]

Then at least we share a common bond in laughing at eachother's posts. Reading that LONG ASS post you wrote just showed me you're basically out to stroke your own ego and hone your "owning skills" (gimme a break).



1) I never mentioned anything about OWNING (that was Odin) nor do I give a **** about it. If I did would I have written owned by now:rolleyes:

2) I hardly feel copy and paste takes a really long time:rolleyes:

[Gogeta ssj4]

Well you should be quick enough at copying and pasting by now cos you use the computer enough!

[ss4goku53]

Sorry that's not much facts:o....But I do have 2000 post now:D:o:p

Congrats!!! but on the topic at hand....do you see what i am saying about superman not needing to train to fight Goku....i just keep getting the he has to learn how to only lift a car not heave it in the air excuse but that doesn't matter in this fight.....this is an all out no holds bar match.....learing to hold back your strength is Not Applicable

[WILLIE1]

SS4!.... YOU'RE ALIVE... WHERE THE HELL HAVE YA BEEN DUDE??!!

I hope you had great weekend dude cos I've sat here most of Sunday with not a soul or sinner to chat with!

Was that your power level I sensed earlier that was going thru the roof??

[ss4goku53]

No...Dbz has not just great strength...but powerful minds...Piccolo and Vegeta....and Gohan and Trunks....

lifting the pyramid with his mind...

http://www.dragonballmaster.com/VOL1-3/Untitled211.jpg

[WILLIE1]

Nice pic SS4!... I remember watching that show, but I can't remember what saga it was!!!... DAMN!!!!

[ss4goku53]

I believe it was before Vegeta showed up....but don't quote me on it

[WILLIE1]

Thanks dude!

[Gogeta ssj4]

I wish i could lift myself to get up for work in the mornin with my mind!

[WILLIE1]

But you can't because you haven't taken the oppertunity to train with me and it will make you further away from your intentions!

[Gogeta ssj4]

Oh yeah! we'll see!

[WILLIE1]

You'll last 1 minute tops!

[Gogeta ssj4]

I'll give me forever!

[WILLIE1]

In your dreams, skimpy!

[Gogeta ssj4]

In your dreams, skimpy!

We'll see!

[ss4goku53]

here is a fight.....Dragonball Tien vs Cyclops....who wins and why?

[WILLIE1]

Tien has got more strng and has got 2 extra eyes!

[ss4goku53]

well besides his eyes.......he has these things on his side....strength, speed, and his martial arts skill/training.....so cyclops will blast him.....Tien will blast him right back......

[Goldenage Batman]

Tien could hold off any blast Cyclops would dish out......that's all I got....

[WILLIE1]

That's True cos Tien is a warrior!

[darknight7]

I think Goku and Vegeta could take both DC and MARVEL...lol, :p...I love DBZ its the best.

and if anyone disagrees with that than let me bump it up a notch...too

(THE SAIYANS vs...DC/MARVEL)


Gohan
Goten
Trunks
Vegeta
Goku
Brolly

(would own ALL)

that is hard for me to say since im a huge DC/Marvel fan...

--dk7

[WILLIE1]

Thanks Rarknight7 dude!.... It must have been hard for ya, but you now in your heart that it's right!

[darknight7]

Damn striaght....I LOVE DBZ...watched it for SOOOOOOO long...they could easily take both universes...just fly into space and blow up the earth..hahaha...man saiyans rule. I would be a saiyan ANY DAY:)

--dk7

[brainchild81]

I think Goku and Vegeta could take both DC and MARVEL...lol, :p...I love DBZ its the best.

and if anyone disagrees with that than let me bump it up a notch...too

(THE SAIYANS vs...DC/MARVEL)


Gohan
Goten
Trunks
Vegeta
Goku
Brolly

(would own ALL)

that is hard for me to say since im a huge DC/Marvel fan...

--dk7
I think they'd own most, but not all. Put them against.
Thanos
Well written Darkseid
Silver Surfer
Doctor Strange
Professor X
Well written Juggernaut and see what would happen

[WILLIE1]

Yeah, But I'm happy with the power I got at the moment, that I've trained extremely hard to gain!

Are you Going to help us in our Batle against the possiblity of Movie 12 Not being released because of the Bad lingo in it?....

[darknight7]

I dont think Juggernaut would be a match for the Saiyans...lol

Maybe Surfer...or Fate....but i could just see the saiyans blowing everyone to different dimensions:)

--dk7

[WILLIE1]

I'm not too sure on that either!

Are you gonna support what we're doing for DBZ movie 12?

The info is on the 'Warriors Needed For Movie Action' thread!

[darknight7]

:confused: could i please have a link?:(sorry

--dk7

[WILLIE1]

Go into the DragonBall forum and it's there cos I started the topic myself!... In fact go there now and I'll be there waiting and I will know if you're there!

[darknight7]

Im sorry bud, I will do this tomorrow i gotta go to bed, im exhausted and got skool tomorrow. I will definately check it tomrorow....i dont no hwo to get ther? is ther DBZ threads on SHH? could u pm me the link plz...sorry thanks...

ttyl

--dk7

[WILLIE1]

Ok dude, but don't forget cos I got guys from other DBZ forums gonna do the exact same thing!

this is to ensure the chance of geetting the right to view our fav show without it being butchered again!

[darknight7]

OK so where am i going? lol...Dragon Ball forum then...wut thread do i enter?

--dk7

[Gogeta ssj4]

I don't know p.m willy to find out!

[manofsteel007]

I don't know about the other characters in DC but pre-crisis Superman could probably match up with SSJ4 Gokou. Before any DBZ fans start giving me reasons why Gokou could defeat Superman, I would like to remind that I have seen DBZ since it aired in Japan and until it ended in 1997 also the movies,specials,ovas.

[Gogeta ssj4]

Yeah but supermans weakness will prevail!

[darknight7]

I think SS4 Goku would RAPE Superman...lol

One spirit bomb... Nevermind that... I think Goku is powerful enough to nock superman the **** out. Maybe crush his head or something. He is way tougher than Superman (i think)

--dk7

[manofsteel007]

I think SS4 Goku would RAPE Superman...lol

One spirit bomb... Nevermind that... I think Goku is powerful enough to nock superman the **** out. Maybe crush his head or something. He is way tougher than Superman (i think)

--dk7

Have you ever read Pre-crisis Superman? John Byrne had to de-power him cause he was so powerful it was really hard making issues utilizing what kind of powers Superman had.

[WILLIE1]

don't matter he's still wick!... compared to Goku!

[brainchild81]

don't matter he's still wick!... compared to Goku!
I've never liked Supes, but I never thought he was "wick"

[WILLIE1]

I know I'm only kidding, But in adult form in GT if Goku turned SS4 in his adult state, then you would be saying goodbye supes!

[manofsteel007]

I've never liked Supes, but I never thought he was "wick"

I'm a Superman fan, but that doens't mean I can't acknowledge there are more powerful characters than Superman like: The Spectre, Galactus, Martian Manunter, 5th dimensional imps, Doomsday.

I still think even though Pre-crisis Superman could not beat Gokou head on, he can put up a fight. I don't know about Shenglong/gokou fuse. Maybe, that's overkill on Superman.

[WILLIE1]

Shenron and Goku do not fuse at the end of GT, Goku's body dissapears cos he is travelling with Shenron untill he see's that the Dragonball can return again!

Don't get me wrong everyone knows that Supes will out up a damn good fight, but SS4 gogeta would mawl Supes, but that remains to be seen cos there's no anime of it to prove that either way!

[manofsteel007]

Shenron and Goku do not fuse at the end of GT, Goku's body dissapears cos he is travelling with Shenron untill he see's that the Dragonball can return again!

Don't get me wrong everyone knows that Supes will out up a damn good fight, but SS4 gogeta would mawl Supes, but that remains to be seen cos there's no anime of it to prove that either way!

In the japanese version they sure due make it seem like it. I know they made like twenty wishes or more. It's takes about 100 years to nuetralize a single wish, so, it's going to be like 2000 or more years before you see Gokou. If Gokou and Shenron did not fuse, they shouldn't of made it seem that way, they should of let Gokou just sit on his back and disappear. Do you know what I mean? People will assume they did when they see him look like his passing through him.

[WILLIE1]

I know what you mean yes and it makes perfect sense what you're sying and I agree !00% dude!

[manofsteel007]

I know what you mean yes and it makes perfect sense what you're sying and I agree !00% dude!

How many movies or specials, or ovas have you seen?

[WILLIE1]

I currently own DBZ movie #3, #4, #8, #10 and GT 'Generations' which is the last 4 episodes!

I have seen all the saga's, well 80 -90% of each saga except the Grlic Jr as it bored me rotten!

[darknight7]

Well it is hard to judge 2 totally different styles and series of Heroes. Superman could is made out to be SOOO powerful. And Goku is made out to be SOOO Powerful...this is why it is hard to judge. I am a fan of ALL THREE (marvel/dc/dbz)... But i truely think Dbz fighters are the ultimate. Just in the episodes they make them seem SOOO POWERFUL. and SOOO fast...it just doesnt seam possible for any DC/MARVEL to win. Maybe they would stand a chance, for a bit. But in the end, DBZ will always triumph.

IMHO... there kai blasts are soooo powerful, i just think they could blow anyone into another dimension. Or nock ther head off with an elbow, punch, kick or knee. And they move faster than ANY being. Faster than the speed of light...ther as fast as the flash. But once again like ive sed they are 2 different universes. So it is hard to compare

--dk7

[WILLIE1]

That's why I would say that if there was an anime show of just a battle between Goku and Supes, then it'll be a great battle!

[Gogeta ssj4]

Lets get on to funimation for a goku vs superman show!

[WILLIE1]

It would be a good battle, but Supes can't use instantanious movement and he can't use energy!

[Gogeta ssj4]

I suppose!

[WILLIE1]

You know it makes sense boy!!!!

[ss4goku53]

In the japanese version they sure due make it seem like it. I know they made like twenty wishes or more. It's takes about 100 years to nuetralize a single wish, so, it's going to be like 2000 or more years before you see Gokou. If Gokou and Shenron did not fuse, they shouldn't of made it seem that way, they should of let Gokou just sit on his back and disappear. Do you know what I mean? People will assume they did when they see him look like his passing through him.
they did merge...not hard to see here...thanks to guyverjay for the gif...
http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/goku_merge.gif

[Gogeta ssj4]

Ahh yes i wonder why though?

[WILLIE1]

I think that maybe GT creators had plans originally to continue, but maybe were told to forget the Idea and hence the reason that it was such a bad ending to GT!

What do you guys think??....

[goku jr]

..... lets make it intersting shell we dbz vs capcom


gogeta vs bison

picolo vs dalsiim

krillin vs saget

vildel vs camy
ryu vs goku
ken vs vegeta

[WILLIE1]

DBZ characters have got more energy and strength than the Streetfighters!

[goku jr]

DBZ characters have got more energy and strength than the Streetfighters!


i dont know about that i think that the ryu vs goku fight would be dead even in power the haduaken vs the kamehameha

[WILLIE1]

I know that, but Goku has the ability to power up and each power up he goes thru, hie attack power increases 10 fold, so if Goku smacks Ryu in the eye with a kamehameha, then Ryu will have no head left!

[Gogeta ssj4]

The truth have been spoken

[Lobo]

Goku would kill Ryu. Ryu can't fly and doesn't have the strength, or speed to even match normal Goku.

[WILLIE1]

Thank you LOBO, I think that you should be a warrior!!!... Have you taken the test?...

[Lobo]

have SS2 or SS4 PM it to me. I've been posting in this forum longer than pretty much anyone. Which Z character does Lobo match up best with?