Lets give this movie a chance

[Hunter Rider]

We are now in 2005,the year production begins on a new superman movie and last night we had seemingly a concrete piece of casting news.Sadly the moaning has begun alrerady,from,"she's ugly" to"she sucks cos she's not my choice" to the stupidist of all "she doesn't look like Lois" which is silly given how many different ways Lois has been drawn over the years not to mention various tv versions.Now i'll admit,singer wasn't my first director choice and kate wasn't my first Lois choice(i wanted and unknown so Routh was fine by me)but Singer IMO deserves some trust.This man has an excellent track record for quality and successful films(particually in the comic book genre)and is the guy who cast Hugh Jackman as Wolverine(to tall and handsome for fanboys)who turned out for 90% of ppl to be a superb choice enbodying the character personality wise.
My point is we can't judge the story as we don't even know what it is and we should wait to see the actors in full make-up and costume in the correct enviroment before we pass judgement on them.Overall I think we should be happy that a superman movie is finally getting made whether the cast is our choice or not as to me i'm a superman fan first and foremost and the icon is bigger than the actor.


Happy new year,hopefully a great one for both bats and suoes:batman: :supes:

[Rob Lobo]

I'll give this movie a chance :up:

[thedarks0ldier]

of course, lets give them both a chance, lets make both of these box office record holders for a while

[ScratcH]

I'll give this movie a chance :up:http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gifhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[ultimatefan]

That´s all I been saying, and some people seem to interpret it simply as "thought police". I don´t have any problem with people making criticisms and having doubts, I´m just making a suggestion, "just give it a chance and try to have a little faith". If you try, it´s good for the soul, trust me.

[Superman 7]

I don't know why so many people are negative, we have all been crying out for a new movie, we get one and all they do is moan. Bryan Singer will not cock this up.....you have to remember he is a Superman Fan, like us!!!

[Morg]

Hell I want this movie to be good :supes:

[Flame on!]

Give quiche a chance.

[hippie_hunter]

People are going to say that they will give this film a chance but they will still b!tc# about it anyway :down:

[Rob Lobo]

i won't b*tch about it coz it :supes: movie

[hippie_hunter]

You say that now :o

[Morg]

the only time I'll be *****ing about it is trying to get as much Superman related items I can get my hands on :D

[hippie_hunter]

Don't you have enough Superman crap, save some for the rest of us :mad:

[Rob-el]

No one is ever going to please everyone so if we apply the 80/20 rule I do think that about 80% of the people of these threads are positive and going in open minded. The other 20% have their "reason" for their disdain for the way the project is going and that's their problem. I know I'm looking forward to this movie emensely. I'm not concerning myself with who is cast as who. I will go in with a very open mind and hope for one hell of a ride.

I am glad they went with an unkown for Supes as I really think that is the correct route but would have goine in with as open mind regardless of who got the part. I have never seen Kate in anything so I don't have the slightest idea what she will be like as Lois but I love that! It will make seeing this movie that much more fun to watch.

Happy New year to everyone for 2005 and I'm looking forward to being able to say 2006 very very soon!

[KaptainKrypton]

I don't know if anyone else is as obsessive/nerdy as me, but I've already bought a wardrobe specifically designed for opening day of the film. It consists of all Superman logo clothing and it will not be worn until then as it must be christened properly. The only bummer is that I can't find Superman shoes in an adult size or socks that match! I will watch every showing that day (at least for one of those my dad will be with me), and I damn sure won't be going to work. Also, I will get myself warmed up in the days prior by watching the first four films in mental preparation and for a general psych-up methodology (like some sort of nerdy pre-game ritual). When I told my wife about this she mocked me, but I don't care, because Superman is so rad. I also bought a shirt for my dad to wear because when the fourth film came out I was six and he was with me. You know, I probably won't tell anyone at work about this because I do work at a fitness center and those superficial butt-nuggets just won't understand. I'm officially the biggest geek I know.

[IT is Batgirl]

I don't know if anyone else is as obsessive/nerdy as me, but I've already bought a wardrobe specifically designed for opening day of the film. It consists of all Superman logo clothing and it will not be worn until then as it must be christened properly. The only bummer is that I can't find Superman shoes in an adult size or socks that match! I will watch every showing that day (at least for one of those my dad will be with me), and I damn sure won't be going to work. Also, I will get myself warmed up in the days prior by watching the first four films in mental preparation and for a general psych-up methodology (like some sort of nerdy pre-game ritual). When I told my wife about this she mocked me, but I don't care, because Superman is so rad. I also bought a shirt for my dad to wear because when the fourth film came out I was six and he was with me. You know, I probably won't tell anyone at work about this because I do work at a fitness center and those superficial butt-nuggets just won't understand. I'm officially the biggest geek I know.

:eek:

More power to you.

[Morg]

Don't you have enough Superman crap, save some for the rest of us :mad:


No! Mine, mine, mine :D

[IT is Batgirl]

I really need to get myself a \S/ shirt.

[Spiked]

I'm officially the biggest geek I know.

Be proud. :up:

[Wiseman]

Hell I want this movie to be good :supes:

That's odd Morg, i don't remember you ever saying anything about liking Superman :confused:

[Rob-el]

I don't know if anyone else is as obsessive/nerdy as me, .... I'm officially the biggest geek I know.

Self-recognition that you are a geek makes you less geeky than you think you are! Its the real jobs that have no idea that they are geeks that are the true die-hard geeks!

My self recognition as a geek came as I stood in line at midnight to watch a sneek preview of Batman Forever by myself. To pass the time I was reading a Star Trek book. At some point in the evening I said to myself "What a geek". I've lived with it ever since, but at least I'm aware of it!

[Morg]

That's odd Morg, i don't remember you ever saying anything about liking Superman :confused:


cute, *smacks wiseman* :p

[Frantik]

I don't know if anyone else is as obsessive/nerdy as me, but I've already bought a wardrobe specifically designed for opening day of the film. It consists of all Superman logo clothing and it will not be worn until then as it must be christened properly. The only bummer is that I can't find Superman shoes in an adult size or socks that match! I will watch every showing that day (at least for one of those my dad will be with me), and I damn sure won't be going to work. Also, I will get myself warmed up in the days prior by watching the first four films in mental preparation and for a general psych-up methodology (like some sort of nerdy pre-game ritual). When I told my wife about this she mocked me, but I don't care, because Superman is so rad. I also bought a shirt for my dad to wear because when the fourth film came out I was six and he was with me. You know, I probably won't tell anyone at work about this because I do work at a fitness center and those superficial butt-nuggets just won't understand. I'm officially the biggest geek I know.
First I love this post. I haven't been in these forums in a long time and then I find this great bit of fun:up: I read this and I was just tickled. I love your enthusiam. I wish I could be with you when you go. You are going to have a ball. I don't know where you would find Supes shoes but I sure hope you do. And I hope you take a pic and post it. I would love to see it. I am going to be wearing my supes tee shirt and I hope that BTN will have some more stuff to buy. I got red shorts to wear. I don't know what else to get yet but after reading this, I am going to be looking too. This is great. I love when people throw themselves into something they love.

Hey do you like Batman too? and you got any plans to dress for that?

[superfever]

I don't know if anyone else is as obsessive/nerdy as me, but I've already bought a wardrobe specifically designed for opening day of the film. It consists of all Superman logo clothing and it will not be worn until then as it must be christened properly. The only bummer is that I can't find Superman shoes in an adult size or socks that match! I will watch every showing that day (at least for one of those my dad will be with me), and I damn sure won't be going to work. Also, I will get myself warmed up in the days prior by watching the first four films in mental preparation and for a general psych-up methodology (like some sort of nerdy pre-game ritual). When I told my wife about this she mocked me, but I don't care, because Superman is so rad. I also bought a shirt for my dad to wear because when the fourth film came out I was six and he was with me. You know, I probably won't tell anyone at work about this because I do work at a fitness center and those superficial butt-nuggets just won't understand. I'm officially the biggest geek I know.

here is your boots with a affordable price!!! :D


Of course you can find some nice cheap boots on eBay right now. Try this company. They are very nice to work with.

Eastern Coast Costume
329 Moody St. Waltham, Massachusetts 02453
Toll Free 1-800-924-6836

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/BatJack/Superman/Batboots008.jpg
This is what the boots look like. They come to a point like the Lois & Clark style boot. But you could always cut the peak in the top to make it look more like the comic style. The boots are very comfortable and for $35.00 you can't beat it.

Hope this helps.

[Hunter Rider]

This thread does the soul good:D :up:

[Pksoze]

Well I've been a Superman fan all my life. The first movie I remember watching was Superman III, the first birthday cake was a Superman cake, first costume was Superman etc.

AS a kid his stories greatly inspired me and I hummed the Superman theme to camp. When I was 10 in 1989 I gave my sister a set of drawings of my idea for Superman V. So I've been waiting for this movie longer than some fans here have been alive.

Now I'm an old school Superman fan by todays standards. I dislike Smallville and Lois & Clark and like the Animated Series. However, the bible of Superman is Christopher Reeve's movies.

Now, normally I'd be reluctant for anyone to take Reeve's place. However, I trust Brian Singer he's a good director and probably the best we'll get for this type of movie. He made three enjoyable films for me (Apt Pupil, Usual Suspects, X2) and got Donners approval. So I'm pretty sure the guy has an idea how to make a good film.

Now the bulk of the role goes to Brandon Routh who if sucessful will be defended 25 years from now as the definitive Supes while Gerard Christopher ,Dean Cain and Welling are footnotes. If he's bad he ruins his career and potentially a franchise.

Now I highly doubt a director of Singers character would give Routh even a remote chance for the biggest movie of Singer's career if he wasn't good. And Warners would not hesitate to kill it like with Matthew Bomer.

Now Barring this the film could fail and be cheesey. If so I will eviceserate it. However, being a Superman I hope for the best. I see a formula of a good director, unknown actor, and a respect for Superman. Pretty hard for me to be angry about it.

The only thing that annoys me is people who make ridiculous proclamations of a man being unprofessional because of his sexuality, or how their version is better. Believe me we may not be as vocal. But a smallville type Superman movie would have guys like me *****ing and I find those casting wishes goofy at best.

To end on a positive note, Superman is my favorite character and he inspires hope in me. If you get that in a movie for millions of youngsters Singer will succeed.

[superfever]

:up: well said.
would love to see your idea of Sv. :D

[Pksoze]

:up: well said.
would love to see your idea of Sv. :D


It was lame trust me.

[superfever]

of course. you were only 10. :D
btw, have you developed it further now? i believe you can do better now. :D

[Thunder Emperor]

Now in the spirit of the new year and really putting some thought to this movie. I will give this movie a chance and I will give BR a chance. but let me make it clear <i I am not switch over saying how I love Routh and thing he was sent by God for this role. I am looking at this from Rouths persective. Meaning he just landed a job of a life time, and I would be happy if i landed that and I would give it my all. so in that regards I wish him and the crew the best of luck in making this movie enjoyable for me to watch. In all not all will like routh or even stand his looks. but we should and I will give him a chance till I see the first reel of the movie.


p.s i might still criticize ghim a little. lol

[superfever]

thanks for your kindness, your Majesty.
lol, like wihout your majesty blessing the movie will fall. funny.

[Thunder Emperor]

thanks for your kindness, your Majesty.
lol, like wihout your majesty blessing the movie will fall. funny.



I am trying to be nice to routh this year, and you are testiing my temper, lol

but seriously good luck to him.

[superfever]

i'm scared. lol
really, why an actor would have so much fond to a model-turn-as-actor cutie? ;)

[Bad Superman]

I'll give it a chance, but if I don't like it. . . well. . .I'll have no mercy. . .

http://www.yomogi.sakura.ne.jp/~hiro/chirasi/chirasi/exterminator.jpg

[Bad Superman]

Now the bulk of the role goes to Brandon Routh who if sucessful will be defended 25 years from now as the definitive Supes while Gerard Christopher ,Dean Cain and Welling are footnotes. If he's bad he ruins his career and potentially a franchise.

Agreed. . . Brandon, just in case you might be lurking. . . No Pressure. . . .

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[Ultimate_Superman]

I am giving this movie a chance. As I said before singer has a vision that only he can see for this film and since I am not making this move I will go off on blind faith and trust that he knows what he is doing here.

[newbrando]

I too am trying to be more positive. I don't celebrate New Years but I can see that Singer has his own vision and is going somewhere with it. The other thing that helps is going to other message boards like IMDB, google, etc. Those boards give a broader view of how people feel and people so far HATE this movie. So I feel a lot less need to clarify my problems with what's happening. It's already out there and I am sure WB is taking notice. By the time this movie is made, it will either be a compilation of a whole bunch of bad ideas or ironed out to perfection. It's interesting to watch none the less, when you have no emotional attachment to it.

[Bad Superman]

The only thing that keeps bugging me is the plot (what we've read as rumors).

[Ultimate_Superman]

I too am trying to be more positive. I don't celebrate New Years but I can see that Singer has his own vision and is going somewhere with it. The other thing that helps is going to other message boards like IMDB, google, etc. Those boards give a broader view of how people feel and people so far HATE this movie. So I feel a lot less need to clarify my problems with what's happening. It's already out there and I am sure WB is taking notice. By the time this movie is made, it will either be a compilation of a whole bunch of bad ideas or ironed out to perfection. It's interesting to watch none the less, when you have no emotional attachment to it.Really what is the reason most people on other boards hate this movie?

[newbrando]

Really what is the reason most people on other boards hate this movie?
I don’t know. For lots of various reasons. On the IMDB Bosworth message board, everyone says she’s not a good actress:

Pity, I was actually planning to see that movie when/if it came out. Forget it now. I just hope Bennifer Lite is over by the time the promotion for this piece of crap starts.

... so now they're saying they want a fresh, new, relative unknown. lmao. I predict this movie will blow major chunks at the box office. I'm glad they chose her (if it's true) -- I haven't wanted to see it since way back, when I first heard about it. At least this way she's going to be busy for at least half a year (including promotion), and it'll prevent her from being in anything that I may actually want to see.

Frankly the movie didn't interest me before and it doesn't interest me anymore now that Kate has possibly been casted. why is Hollywood so hell-bent on reviving dead cartoon franchises and starting new ones? I guess originality is dead.

And that was just in the first 8 messages on Kate’s board. Brandon’s board has the usual, “He looks “the gay” thread that I think must just be standard. But it also says this:

This guy is like what, 25? Courtney Cox Arquette could play his mother! This pick sucks. What was all the worry about getting Tom Welling to play the lead his age? Isn't this guy actually younger than he? wow...now that's a head scratcher!

this is a f**ing disaster!!! i really wanted to see Courteney Cox as Lois, she was just PERFECT for that role, Jim Caviezel should have play Superman , that way Courteney would have the role for sure!!!, im gonna hate this brandon guy just cause his age!!!!

This guy looks nothing like what superman should look like! I think it's a horrible decision for him to play superman. Superman is supposed to be sexy, this guy looks like *beep*

And it goes on and on and on….I looked at another celebrity board on there that talks about Superman but I’m not going to post those comments because they were from the W-man message board. And I know his name is taboo. I think people are just generally disinterested, maybe they’ve been disinterested for a long time. I don’t know.

[Bryan Singer]

I think that everyone should wait until this movie is completed before they pass comment about how bad it is. No movie will ever please everyone, especially a movie as big as Superman. Just wait until you've seen the film and then by all means rip it to pieces if you feel that's what it deserves

[Hunter Rider]

I think that everyone should wait until this movie is completed before they pass comment about how bad it is. No movie will ever please everyone, especially a movie as big as Superman. Just wait until you've seen the film and then by all means rip it to pieces if you feel that's what it deserves
I agree but you would say that wouldn't you:p :up:

[newbrando]

I think that everyone should wait until this movie is completed before they pass comment about how bad it is. No movie will ever please everyone, especially a movie as big as Superman. Just wait until you've seen the film and then by all means rip it to pieces if you feel that's what it deserves
Yeah but you are preaching to the choir. The people who hate it already are on other message boards. People here are far more forgiving. Most casual views just go with their gut. They're like, "What, nobody cute is in it?? These are not award winning actors??? I don't want to see it!"

[Bad Superman]

I think that everyone should wait until this movie is completed before they pass comment about how bad it is. No movie will ever please everyone, especially a movie as big as Superman. Just wait until you've seen the film and then by all means rip it to pieces if you feel that's what it deserves

Hey. . .no pressure, right?

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[green]

I think that everyone should wait until this movie is completed before they pass comment about how bad it is. No movie will ever please everyone, especially a movie as big as Superman. Just wait until you've seen the film and then by all means rip it to pieces if you feel that's what it deserves


Well some of us trust you. ;)

[Conundrum]

To be honest, I'm not convinced with the casting of Routh and the rumour of Bosworth, but Spacey is a fine choice for Lex. I'm going to trust that Singer has a good eye for these actors, and that he feels they will do a good job portraying these iconic characters. So, as I'm a great Superman fan, and I want this movie to do well, I'm going to keep an open mind until I see some promo photos, or footage to show me that Routh and Bosworth are/aren't the right choices.

Fingers crossed, Singer is right and we will see the epitomy of a Superman movie in 2006!

[superfever]

Fingers crossed, Singer is right and we will see the epitomy of a Superman movie in 2006!
yes, we will.

[bgshw44]

i agree with Batgirl, and frankly i agree with just about all of her other posts as well. A fil of this magnitude will not please everyone, hence you must trust the director and his vision, which i whole heartedly do without a shadow of a doubt. The only people who could mess this up are the WB brass. In the end, Singer will get what he wants and the biggest epic blockbuster of all time will be hitting theaters in the summer of 06

[superfever]

as long as they don't try 're-invention' like they did previously, this movie is gonna fly high.

[Pksoze]

of course. you were only 10. :D
btw, have you developed it further now? i believe you can do better now. :D

Superman vs a Space Vampire. I got this idea while watching Buck Rogers.



How would I improve it? Some stories aren't meant to be. However, it could work as a comic story if Superman fought a whole planet of vampires who spread like locusts from planet to planet.

Superman decides to beat them by moving their whole planet into the sun.

Still sounds lame but I' m no writer.

[The Kid]

I will give this movie a chance.

[batman44]

I'll give the movie a chance, I would love nothing more than to be dead wrong about my worries.

[Cinemaman]

I will give a movie chance, because I believe SR will be great movie.

[dark_b]

SR looks already good anough. and i think it will be even ebtter when i actually see the movie.
but i dont belive that i would go angry out of the theater.

[The Kid]

We should start one of those groups like the INWT guys. We can call it GSAC (Give Singer a Chance)

I'll be the first member.

Here, put this in your sig if you want to join up:

Proud member of: G.S.A.C. (Give Singer A Chance)

Here's the slogan.

http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/838/bryansingerpjag2e7jq.jpg What do you think? too creepy?

[Naite22]

This irritates the hack out of me!!... Some are questioning the movie after the new trailer....ME, I'm more pumped than ever.. It looks so freaken badass!! X3 go the **** home!

[Zor-El]

We should start one of those groups like the INWT guys. We can call it GSAC (Give Singer a Chance)

I'll be the first member.

Here, put this in your sig if you want to join up:

Proud member of: G.S.A.C. (Give Singer A Chance)

Here's the slogan.

http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/838/bryansingerpjag2e7jq.jpg What do you think? too creepy?hahahahaha i like it.....but creepy was the first word that came to mind :O

[Weadazoid]

This irritates the hack out of me!!... Some are questioning the movie after the new trailer....ME, I'm more pumped than ever.. It looks so freaken badass!! X3 go the **** home!



why even bring up X3? Why the anger towards it? Seems like an unwarented bash.

as far as I can see no one even made one mention of X3 in this thread....

[Nivek]

good bump! Hell yeah, I'll give Singer a chance. I never was a big X-men fan, but I really liked the tone and intensity he brought to those films.

Out of the 10-15 guys over the last 15 years that tried to do another Superman film, he actually did it. Regardless of whatever the plot may unfold, Im sure it will be entertaining.

[Naite22]

^ sorry, but that's just a comparrison of mine seeing how these two films are coming out with one month apart.. I'm looking forwards to X3... But SR will kick its ass.. And I'll keep saying that.

[Octoberist]

I'm looking foward to both X3 and Superman. Despite my concerns for both movies, I still think that Superman might be the stronger movie...

[Naite22]

^Where I believe that X3 will be a cool popcorn ride, who knows, maybe even better than the previous two (though I highly doubt it, looking at what I've seen so far), superman returns will be so much more...

[The Kid]

So far the marketing of x3 has done a great job of leaving me unsure of the film's potential quality. The only thing I have to think back on is Ratner's previous work and well.... uh...

[Octoberist]

Sure the trailers look good, but then again, FOX has great marketing. Look at Fantastic Four. WHich, to me, was a blah movie.

[Naite22]

^Yeah well, I'm seeing NEW clips of the movie survey every day on these boards now... hmm.. I wonder if they'll be any footage left in the movie which hasn't been shown in small clips around the world already.. It's TOO much.. It doens't seem as if this movie has any surprising ellements any longer.. all most as if you know it all by now.

[Nivek]

Im eager to see X3, but like many others, Im concerned about ratners previous track record. And that Tonight Show "Fastball special" clip didn't instill me with alot of confidence either.

[Naite22]

^ NOPE, same here... what other movie's has Rattner done?

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Ratner did the Rush Hour movies, which IMO were simply the equivalent of pop music; fun for a second but in the end unredeeming and easily forgettable. He also did the Manhunter remake called Red Dragon and the massive bomb After the Sunset.

As far as giving the movie a chance, never had any thoughts otherwise. I gave Catwoman a chance for crissakes (even though I was 99.99% sure it would be a complete cinematic holocaust).

[Naite22]

^and that it was...

[The Kid]

hahahahaha i like it.....but creepy was the first word that came to mind :O
thnx. http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7179/bryansingerpjage1wc.jpg I knew it might look too creepy in just B&W so I did it in color first. Yep.

[Atomic Crusader]

Sure, lets give this film a chance. In the meantime, lets enjoy a spirited debate about what we think about what we are seeing as we approach opening day. Word play is fun.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm going to give the movie a chance, but Singer does not have an excellent track record when it comes to comicbook movies IMHO.

[ultimatefan]

Regardless of whatever´s been said on the movie, I´m more than willing to give this a chance. I admire Singer´s work as a filmmaker and I haven´t yet disliked a movie he´s made, so I´ll give at least the benefit of doubt. And the trailer had some great stuff.

[neelyohara]

You know, I was thinking about that but then i dismissed that idea in favour of debating the size of an actor's ears and the authenticity of a clip decpicting a man flying.

[Captain Kirk]

I think the haters of SR need to get a life! The movie will be EXCELLENT ,and it will be a box office smash. Most people will be glad to see the film. I know that me and my friends were very pumped after seeing the trailer with MI3 last night. So no worries.:up:

[Captain Kirk]

I'm going to give the movie a chance, but Singer does not have an excellent track record when it comes to comicbook movies IMHO.

:confused: WTF? Um...X-Men 1 and 2 ring a bell.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I dunno. I still have a feeling people who don't like things after seeing the movie will be *****ed at and called negative and then the person will do everything to justify it. But oh well...I am still looking forward to this movie and I hope the few worries I have will be destroyed when I actually see the movie.

[RedIsNotBlue]

:confused: WTF? Um...X-Men 1 and 2 ring a bell.

Well while being good movies they lacked things and had flaws that fans are not pleased with.

[Captain Kirk]

Well while being good movies they lacked things and had flaws that fans are not pleased with.

:o You can't please every one, but no one can deny that Singer's X-Men made modern superhero movies marketable again! Superman Returns will be his strongest outing yet!:D

[RedIsNotBlue]

:o You can't please every one, but no one can deny that Singer's X-Men made modern superhero movies marketable again! Superman Returns will be his strongest outing yet!:D

Yes but I think the fans deserved to be pleased the most.

[Tzigone]

Yes but I think the fans deserved to be pleased the most.


But the general public generate the most money - sad, but true, they are the ones to please.

[RedIsNotBlue]

But the general public generate the most money - sad, but true, they are the ones to please.

Well of course thats obvious. But you still gotta please the fans no matter what.

[Captain Kirk]

Yes but I think the fans deserved to be pleased the most.

No they don't. These films have to appeal to the mainstream audience,and not just the fanboy nation. The vast major of movie goers didn't care that fanboys were in an uproar over organic webshooters in spidey 1; the success of the film didn't fall because a group of fanboys disapproved! The same is true with Superman Returns.

[skruloos]

Yes but I think the fans deserved to be pleased the most.
No. They don't. Like everyone else in the audience, all "fans" deserve is a good movie. If they aren't pleased by the movie then that's that. A movie can be good but fans will still have things they are not pleased with and nitpick it to death. "Fans" don't deserve any more than anyone else.

[skruloos]

Well of course thats obvious. But you still gotta please the fans no matter what.
Why? Because you speak as a fan? It's that false sense of entitlement that fans believe they have that bothers me most about fandom. It's not Singer's job to please you. His job is to tell his story in the best possible way he can. Whether you like it or not is up to you.

[Captain Kirk]

No. They don't. Like everyone else in the audience, all "fans" deserve is a good movie. If they aren't pleased by the movie then that's that. A movie can be good but fans will still have things they are not pleased with and nitpick it to death. "Fans" don't deserve any more than anyone else.

Dude are channeling one another or what!:D

[RedIsNotBlue]

I don't care. I am done arguing about SR. My mind is exhausted from it. I am just gonna wait for the movie now.

[Captain Kirk]

I don't care. I am done arguing about SR. My mind is exhausted from it. I am just gonna wait for the movie now.

:up: Hey,Man no hard feeling! This film is huge and it means alot to so many people. We will have fun watching it on premiere night.:)

[BrollySupersj]

I haven't argued with anybody on the movie...I don't steer that way.

[Hunter Rider]

WOW this was dug up from the dead:confused:

[The Kid]

yeah I thought it might be appropriate to do that now with all the confusion caused by those reviews.

[BrollySupersj]

yeah I thought it might be appropriate to do that now with all the confusion caused by those reviews.

I love your signature by the way, about X 3 :up:

[Wimpie]

I am not a Superman fan (more of a Marvel Universe nut), but I am DEFINITELY going to give this movie a chance and I have to admit I am looking forward to it. Promised to go see it with a friend who is so excited about this movie - I think he might implode.

I have only seen the teaser trailer. I want to see the Full Trailer on the big screen, but it wasn't attached to MI3 here... :(

[I SEE SPIDEY]

:confused: WTF? Um...X-Men 1 and 2 ring a bell.Uh yeah they do...but I didn't love them.

My Rating: X-1 6.5/10

X2 7.5/10

Don't much mind if you and other people do though. Good for ya'll.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

:o You can't please every one, but no one can deny that Singer's X-Men made modern superhero movies marketable again! Superman Returns will be his strongest outing yet!:DI would argue that "Blade" did that.

[Lightning54SC]

i know that in another thread it talks about bosworth's interview and asks if shes reads this stuff and she said no... but in a way i kinda wish they did cuz id be nice to see that she does have people pulling for her and the rest of the movie and that are giving it a chance unlike all the trolling fanboys who whine and cry

[ultimatefan]

Well while being good movies they lacked things and had flaws that fans are not pleased with.
You have hardcore comics fans pissed with at least some aspect in EVERY superhero movie. The movies always end up changing something, and some fans will ALWAYS argue that change, even if there´re good reasons for it.

[skruloos]

I would argue that "Blade" did that.
And I'd argue that Blade was unlocked the door. The success of X-Men, an actual tier 1 comic book, threw open the door and brought it to the people.

[RedIsNotBlue]

You have hardcore comics fans pissed with at least some aspect in EVERY superhero movie. The movies always end up changing something, and some fans will ALWAYS argue that change, even if there´re good reasons for it.

Uhhh I am not a hardcore comic fan at all. I read a small chunk of the older issues but thats pretty much it. And I know the characters well and I am a fan. But these are flaws period.

1. The first movie was about Logan and Rogue co-starring the X-Men. X2 did a much better job though of keeping Logan as the main and still giving the other X-Men good screentime.

2. Cyclops and Storm. Do I REALLY have to say it?? Cyclops got shafted (and it looks the same for X3) period...end of sentence. And Storm...where the hell do I start? Singer just completely screwed her up. Making her a whiny damsel in distress, confused on what accent to give her, giving her more flight time in the X-jet than on her own, making her just a sexy character, and giving her the confidence level of a depressed overweight teen. I could probably go on and on with her.

3. The action scenes in X-Men were just lackluster. The fight between Sabretooth and Wolverine didn't really wow us like it should have. In X2 they were much better.

4. Sabretooth as a henchman with his volume level stuck on whisper. Going by what I know and have heard that is NOT the Sabretooth from the comics.

5. And the time and shoddy CGI is terrible but that can be blamed on FOX.

I could probably go past these obvious things and nitpick further but I won't. Sorry that I see flaws in the films but I just do. But even with the flaws X-Men and X2 are still great movies but they could have been much better.

[The Kid]

Heh, AND could have been much worse. Look at fantastic four, Elektra, Daredevil, Catwoman.

They're both good but flawed movies, I'll give ya, but they're serious-minded tales with the whole 'gay' theme and great story, and I like that. It worked for me as a whole regardless of a few niggles. I never was happy with how storm or sabertooth got portrayed, but I forgave that because the movie does have a good story. And Nightcrawler was badass, bamfing all over the presidents office in the greatest scene showcasing a comic book movie characters powers that I've ever seen thus far.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Heh, AND could have been much worse. Look at fantastic four, Elektra, Daredevil, Catwoman.

They're both good but flawed movies, I'll give ya, but they're serious-minded tales with the whole 'gay' theme and great story, and I like that. It worked for me as a whole regardless of a few niggles. I never was happy with how storm or sabertooth got portrayed, but I forgave that because the movie does have a good story. And Nightcrawler was badass, bamfing all over the presidents office in the greatest scene showcasing a comic book movie characters powers that I've ever seen thus far.

I know and I never said the Singer X-Men films were not good. But I don't like how people talk about them like they are perfection and give Singer WAY too much credit. They had flaws but still were great.

[skruloos]

I know and I never said the Singer X-Men films were not good. But I don't like how people talk about them like they are perfection and give Singer WAY too much credit. They had flaws but still were great.
What movie doesn't have flaws? Spider-man, Batman Begins...they all have flaws. If you really want to be picky, anyone can complain about anything.

[Nightwing1977]

I know and I never said the Singer X-Men films were not good. But I don't like how people talk about them like they are perfection and give Singer WAY too much credit. They had flaws but still were great.

What wrong with me saying they are perfect? I can say they are perfect if I want to. It not like I'm saying it's a fact & shoving it down other people's throat. And of course it has flaws. All movies have flaws. Nothing is perfect, so you should expect it to have flaws.

[RedIsNotBlue]

What wrong with me saying they are perfect? I can say they are perfect if I want to. It not like I'm saying it's a fact & shoving it down other people's throat. And of course it has flaws. All movies have flaws. Nothing is perfect, so you should expect it to have flaws.

Okay you just said whats wrong with saying its perfect then say nothing is perfect?? Oooook?? Haha.

[RedIsNotBlue]

What movie doesn't have flaws? Spider-man, Batman Begins...they all have flaws. If you really want to be picky, anyone can complain about anything.

Listen. Your completely missing what I am saying. I am not saying there are flawless movies at all. I am saying people need to quit acting like Singer is flawless...that is all.

[skruloos]

Listen. Your completely missing what I am saying. I am not saying there are flawless movies at all. I am saying people need to quit acting like Singer is flawless...that is all.
The point is that you can say that about any filmmaker and any movie. What's the point of praising anyone? No filmmaker is perfect.

In light of that fact, what's the point of tearing down a director? Since everyone is flawed, then why detract or praise anyone?

[RedIsNotBlue]

The point is that you can say that about any filmmaker and any movie. What's the point of praising anyone? No filmmaker is perfect.

In light of that fact, what's the point of tearing down a director? Since everyone is flawed, then why detract or praise anyone?

Haha well since your not even grasping what I am saying I will just let it go.

[skruloos]

Haha well since your not even grasping what I am saying I will just let it go.
No. I get it. You don't like that people praise Singer so much that it makes it seem like he is flawless. It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

So what if people think he is? So what if people don't? What difference does it make to you? There will always be people who praise these people to the point of making them seem flawless. There will always be people who tear this people down. Why are you making a big deal about it? Are you personally offended that some people overlook the flaws in Singer's films and praise him?

[RedIsNotBlue]

No. I get it. You don't like that people praise Singer so much that it makes it seem like he is flawless. It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

So what if people think he is? So what if people don't? What difference does it make to you? There will always be people who praise these people to the point of making them seem flawless. There will always be people who tear this people down. Why are you making a big deal about it? Are you personally offended that some people overlook the flaws in Singer's films and praise him?

People can praise Singer...thats there right. And its my right to show that he is not as perfect as the person makes him out to be. I can do what you do to...watch. Why do you even care what I think? What difference does it make to you? Are you personally offended that I see Singer's major flaws? Why are you making such a big deal out of this?

Its called different views and opinions. And my opinion is that Singer is not as amazing as SOME make him out to be...deal with it. I still think he is a great director but it always bugs me when people start overlooking the spots he messed up in, like he can't do NO wrong (ie Cinemaman).

[skruloos]

People can praise Singer...thats there right. And its my right to show that he is not as perfect as the person makes him out to be. I can do what you do to...watch. Why do you even care what I think? What difference does it make to you? Are you personally offended that I see Singer's major flaws? Why are you making such a big deal out of this?

Its called different views and opinions. And my opinion is that Singer is not as amazing as SOME make him out to be...deal with it. I still think he is a great director but it always bugs me when people start overlooking the spots he messed up in, like he can't do NO wrong (ie Cinemaman).
The point is that I debate points but I don't try to change a person's viewpoint. If someone wants to praise Singer and honestly doesn't see any flaws, then why bother?

Why does it bother you if people overlook the flaws that you see? Maybe they don't see them as flaws. Maybe they don't think he messed up. If they are entitled to that opinion, why try to change their mind?

But whatever. Do what you will. It's your own voice you're wasting. The people who think that Singer is flawless will still continue to do so, despite your protests.

[RedIsNotBlue]

The point is that I debate points but I don't try to change a person's viewpoint. If someone wants to praise Singer and honestly doesn't see any flaws, then why bother?

Why does it bother you if people overlook the flaws that you see? Maybe they don't see them as flaws. Maybe they don't think he messed up. If they are entitled to that opinion, why try to change their mind?

But whatever. Do what you will. It's your own voice you're wasting. The people who think that Singer is flawless will still continue to do so, despite your protests.

What the ****?? I was trying to "convert" anyone. I was just stating my views on Singer as a director. Is that okay with you??? I already said everyone has their own opinion and that was mine. Your making it sound like im out to prove Singer sucks. Wrong. I think he is a great directly but really overrated by some. Is that okay with you?? Next time I post my viewpoint on what I think of a director I will be sure to run it past you next time. And I like how you say I am wasting my voice yet you keep replying to me. Makes sense.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I no longer like this film

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230701

[skruloos]

What the ****?? I was trying to "convert" anyone.
A few posts up, didn't you say this?


I am saying people need to quit acting like Singer is flawless...that is all.
Does that not mean that your posts pointing out the flaws in his films are attempts at getting people to "quit acting like Singer is flawless?" If that was not your intention, then I withdraw what I said.

[The Kid]

LOL, you bum, jcdc. ;)

[RedIsNotBlue]

A few posts up, didn't you say this?


Does that not mean that your posts pointing out the flaws in his films are attempts at getting people to "quit acting like Singer is flawless?" If that was not your intention, then I withdraw what I said.

Because I felt he was overlooking the bad intentionally. That is what I mean. It irritates when people do that. Or maybe I just completely misunderstood his intentions and in that case my mistake. I am not trying to change opinions just trying to get the facts straight.

[skruloos]

Because I felt he was overlooking the bad intentionally. That is what I mean. It irritates when people do that. Or maybe I just completely misunderstood his intentions and in that case my mistake. I am not trying to change opinions just trying to get the facts straight.
I don't know. The problem here is that some people just really don't see the same flaws you do. Or they might not even see them as flaws at all. You see these flaws as facts. But they aren't. Whether they are flaws or not are a matter of opinion.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Well I guess you gotta know the characters to consider the flaws as factual. Oh well.

[skruloos]

Well I guess you gotta know the characters to consider the flaws as factual. Oh well.
Exactly. Or you simply don't care about the translation of the character to the films. Some people just judge the films as films without any comparison to the comics.

[RedIsNotBlue]

But even without the comics the film had flaws. Oh never mind. I am just gonna drop it nevermind...haha.